Let's Go To Court! - 220: Dippin' Dots & the Disappearance of Jennifer Rothwell

Episode Date: July 27, 2022

In the year of our Lord 1987, a microbiologist named Curt Jones blessed us with the invention of Dippin’ Dots. The nation’s theme parks were never the same. But with success comes thievin’ bitches. (Or just… regular competition, depending on how you look at it.) Curt decided to protect his patent. In doing so, he found himself in a lengthy and costly legal battle. T’was a rocky road.  Then Brandi tells us about Beau Rothwell, who is somehow even douchier than his name suggests. Beau was unhappy in his marriage, but didn’t bother communicating that to his wife, Jennifer. Instead, he had an affair while simultaneously trying to get Jennifer pregnant. When Jennifer became pregnant, Beau was stunned. What was a douche to do? And now for a note about our process. For each episode, Kristin reads a bunch of articles, then spits them back out in her very limited vocabulary. Brandi copies and pastes from the best sources on the web. And sometimes Wikipedia. (No shade, Wikipedia. We love you.) We owe a huge debt of gratitude to the real experts who covered these cases. In this episode, Kristin pulled from: An episode of the podcast How I Built This, titled, Dippin’ Dots: Curt Jones “Is Dippin’ Dots still the ice cream of the future?” by K. Annabelle Smith for Smithsonian Magazine “How Dippin’ Dots went from bankruptcy to $330M in annual revenue,” by Dave Schools for Entrepreneurs Handbook Mini Melts, inc v. Dippin’ Dots, inc “Things you didn’t know about Dippin’ Dots,” by Becki Ledford for Mashed.com “What are Dippin’ Dots, really? The history of cryogenic ice cream,” by Juliet Izon for Serious Eats “In the lab with the ice cream makers,” by Jennifer A. Kingson for the New York Times “Jury says Dippin’ Dots erred on patent request,” Associated Press “Ice cream maker hot on issue,” Associated Press In this episode, Brandi pulled from: “Husband faces charges in woman’s disappearance” by Kim Bell, St. Louis Post-Dispatch “Husband now charged with killing his wife” by Christine Byers and Kim Bell, St. Louis Post-Dispatch “Warrants shed light on woman’s death” by Christine Byers, St. Louis Post-Dispatch “Jury to decide if woman’s death was premeditated” by Joel Currier, St. Louis Post-Dispatch “Murder suspect Beau Rothwell brings unexpected defense at trial” by Chris Hayes, Fox2 Now “Rothwell’s list of ‘pros and cons’ shared during murder trial” by Joe Millitzer and Chris Hayes, Fox2 Now “Beau Rothwell found guilty of first-degree murder after explaining how he killed his wife” by Elizabeth Barmeier, Spectrum News “Beau Rothwell found guilty of murdering his pregnant wife” by Joel Currier, St. Louis Post-Dispatch “Beau Rothwell sentenced to life in the killing of his pregnant wife” by Sara Bannoura, KMOV4 News “Beau Rothwell sentenced to life in prison for killing wife who had searched online "what to do if your husband is upset you are pregnant”” CBS News YOU’RE STILL READING? My, my, my, you skeezy scunch! You must be hungry for more! We’d offer you some sausage brunch, but that gets messy. So how about you head over to our Patreon instead? (patreon.com/lgtcpodcast). At the $5 level, you’ll get 35+ full length bonus episodes, plus access to our 90’s style chat room!  

One semester of law school. One semester of criminal justice. Two experts! I'm Kristen Caruso. I'm Brandi Egan. Let's go to court! On this episode, I'll be talking about Dippin' Dots. And I'll be talking about the

disappearance of Jennifer Rothwell. Two equally serious cases. I'm so excited to hear about Dippin' Dots. Are you? I fucking love Dippin' Dots. Did you bring Dippin' Dots. Are you? I fucking love Dippin' Dots. Did you bring Dippin' Dots for the class today? I didn't. And I said that I would.

Anyway, TBC, as they say. To be continued? That's right. Okay. Boy, you really furrowed your brow at that one. That was a tough one. Yes, I was ready for a light case. Yeah, we need it.

Ready for it. Yeah. Although, I took... Well, no, I'm not going to spoil my case. Don't spoil it. Before I get into it. I'm very excited, though. Wait, is this like a proprietary situation?

Don't fucking worry about it. Or were they sued because somebody burned themselves with the nitrogen? Someone dipped their dick in the Dippin' Dots. It didn't say not to do that on the container. That's exactly right. And they're like, if I had known that I wasn't supposed to do this, then I wouldn't have done it. And, you know, that's the story of the downfall of Dippin' Dots. I think Dippin' Dots still going strong.

Pretty sure there was a stand at the mall the other day when I was there. The mall? What year is this? When did you go to a mall? I went to the mall. I accompanied my sister to the mall so she could visit one store. We took it like a direct route. Why are you speaking about your sister as if she's a little old lady?

I accompanied her to visit one store. Which store was it? We went to Torrid at the mall so she could try on some clothes. And so, yeah, I went to help her pick out some new duds, as they say. That's what all the kids are saying. Would you pick out some corduroy jacket? No. They were fresh out of corduroy jacket?

They were fresh out. That's too bad. She must have been pissed. We did pass a Dippin' Dots stand. It was not open, though, so I was pretty upset. Had it been open, would you have partaken? I would have at least considered it. Okay.

You can't just get Dippin' Dots any old where. Okay, I agree. I personally feel like it's not a mall snack. I could eat it at a mall. I mean, well, first of all. I could eat it on a call. I know. I could eat it anywhere. But I feel eat it on a call. I know. I could eat it anywhere.

But I feel like it's an amusement park thing. It is. It is. It's an event thing. Yeah, we typically get them at the zoo when we go. Yeah. Yeah. Should we do an ad? We probably should, and it's not for dip and die. Brenda, Brenda, Brenda, you know what we did this week? Oh, we

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My butthole's no tighter. And believe me, I've checked. I'm measuring it daily. I'm always dilated. Would you? I would say coins, right? How else are you to do it?

Okay, I was thinking wouldn't you do it like reverse dilation? What do you mean? Okay, so this is getting too technical. Please don't bring any science into this.

You know, a series of cylinders that you would insert into your butthole. And, you know, as it gets tighter, you have to move down to a smaller cylinder. Well, what do you think my coin system was? You don't start with the quarter. Okay, but how are you putting the coin in there? Why don't you just lose it right up there? Well, maybe you do like a teabag situation. You tie a string to it?

Yes. You know what? This is why I never include you in my brainstorming sessions. This is why I never include you in my brainstorming sessions. Everybody, you've got to go to Brandy with the finished product. Don't tell her you put a dime in a tea bag. She'll think it's stupid. Anyway, are you ready to hear? I don't think you're getting a dime up your butt.

Huh? Well, you've ready to hear? I don't think you're getting a dime up your butt hole. Huh? Well, you got to start somewhere. You're wanting to get a dime. You need to start bigger than a dime. Listen, I don't want to hear about your gaping butt hole that could easily swallow up a roll of half dollars. Okay? Some of us would just be squeezing in a Blinkins, okay?

A Blinkins. It's a penny. I know. There. Have you been butthole shamed enough? I think I have. Alrighty. What's the biggest coin?

Oh, you know, sometimes when you go to like a historical place, they'll have like a souvenir, like a souvenir penny. Oh, like a flattened penny? Yeah, those things are huge. They are pretty big and oblong. So, I mean, that would obviously be the last. I've seen like a silver dollar because, you know, you ever seen a silver dollar pancake? It's pretty big. Shall we move on? I think so.

That would be a good choice. All right. Shout out to no one. No! Absolutely no one requested this case. This here is a gift to myself. Oh, wonderful. Also, I'm sorry to say I have to do the one-sided disclaimer.

Oh, this comes from one source. Not all of it, but the vast majority, like the most in-depth source I found on this was the episode of the podcast, How I Built This, for their episode, Dippin' Dots, colon, Kurt Jones. And I know you always tell me that you

don't need to mention the colon, but punctuation matters, Brandi. You don't need to mention the colon, but punctuation matters, Brandi. You don't have to say the colon aloud. Don't colon shame me. And I won't butthole shame you. How about that? How about that's the rule for the rest of this episode? Okay, great.

I won't colon shame you. You don't anus shame me. Everyone, this is Court Podcast. It's a very serious show. Anyway, so it's a little one-sided. I've wanted to do it for a million years. This is kind of like the, excuse me, what are you looking at,

ma'am? Nothing. What are you looking at? Nothing. Whose OnlyFans account are you on right now? I'm just trying to remember which ad we had next, and I was going to pull up that copy just so I could have it ready to go. I'm sorry. I was trying to be prepared. I'm like a Boy Scout. Wow. You mean molested?

I just watched a documentary. I mean, that's... I'm not the one who did it. They did. Can we talk about Dippin' Top? Yeah, Boy Scouts turns out very problematic organization. Weird. I thought if you got a whole bunch of dudes together, it'd be fine.

Apparently not. Anyway, we might have to cut that whole thing. Okay, so, yeah, it's a little one-sided, but I think it's a good story, Brandy. Okay. And I hope you agree. I'm sure that I will. What if you don't? I won't tell you.

Okay. Also, thank you to the article, Is Dippin' Dots Still the Ice Cream of the Future? Oh, but is it? Because the future is now. That's by Kay Annabelle Smith for Smithsonian Magazine. Do you think she's related to the Smithsonian? Yes, I think she's quite wealthy.

I think she's descended. I think her great-great-grandpapa was Mr. Kent Smithsonian. Anyway, picture it. This might be our dumbest start to an episode. It might be. We did start an episode talking about a butthole-licking contest. Yeah, which you thought you'd win.

You were, like, really cocky about it. I don't recall it going quite like that. Okay, well, picture it. We're on a farm in Grand Chain, Illinois. Oh. That's where Kurt Jones lived with his parents and grandparents and his two sisters. They had it a little rough. Farming can be stressful.

They never went hungry, but the family was very aware that their livelihood depended on a lot of factors that were outside of their control. Things like weather, crops, disease, some dude hopping the fence and trying to hug all the cows. What? I was just trying to clean up a story for people. It's a family podcast. But the years passed. I've never seen you so horrified.

The years passed and Kurt grew up and in high school he met a girl named Kay and they went with each other for five years before they eventually married. He's the kind of guy who says, we went with each other.

That's so sweet. Is it? Yeah, that's sweet. What the fuck is wrong with you? Okay, I mean, sorry. So that's sweet. Yeah, that's like an old-timey phrasing. Fine.

Okay. After high school, Kurt went to Southern Illinois University to study microbiology, which some say is just as prestigious as getting a communications degree. Randy? Do they? It's obviously not quite as prestigious, but, you know, everybody's got to try. Kurt got his bachelor's degree and his master's degree in microbiology. And he and Kay had a daughter named Tracy, whom they no doubt welcomed into their home, as one does. And in 1986, Kurt got a job at Alltech.

Alltech is, of course, located in Nicholasville, Kentucky, and it develops agricultural products for use in both livestock and crop farming. And I would tell you more, but I find it boring. Kurt was hired as a biological researcher, and he worked with these big vats of liquid nitrogen. His job was to take the probiotics you find in yogurt and freeze dry them, which turned them into a powder, and then add them to animal food so that the company wouldn't have to use antibiotics. Okay. One day, Kurt started experimenting a little, as they say in the science biz. He found that if you dribble—

What was his hypothesis? I think he was just fucking around. But in the science world, you get to say experimenting. Hmm. So he found that if you dribbled a little of the substance

in, into the liquid nitrogen, you could get these little pellets instead of a big blob. Neat. I said, what if I did this with ice cream? Slow the fudge down, ma'am. We've got a rocky road ahead of us. Over time, all tech expanded.

Kurt worked longer and longer hours. It cut into his time with his family. But he always had the weekends. And on the weekends, Kurt and Kay and Tracy loved to make ice cream. Kurt had always loved to make homemade ice cream. Nothing compared to it. Nothing compared to it. Nothing compared to you.

That's what he would sing to the ice cream as he was churning it. Which is weird because that song hadn't been written yet. So, they'd have neighbors over and they'd all just sit around eating ice cream. Oh, what a good time. You ever make homemade ice cream? Oh my god. One of my uncles did all the time growing up. It was like the best. Yeah, my dad makes homemade ice cream. It, what a good time. You ever make homemade ice cream? Oh, my God. One of my uncles did all the time growing up.

It was like the best. Yeah, my dad makes homemade ice cream. It's so good. Oh, my God. There's no comparison. It's so good. Nothing compares. Nothing compares.

Nothing compares. My dad's homemade ice cream. Yeah. What I love. Homemade vanilla. Homemade peach cobbler. Oh, shit. I know, right?

That sounds amazing. I will tell you that when I finished the script yesterday, I demanded that Norm take me out for ice cream. I mean, you just can't hear about ice cream nonstop and not, you know, have to have it. Yeah. Did you like it, love it, got to have it? I knew you were going to say that. I went to Andy's. Thank you very much.

Did you get that strawberry shortcake sundae? No, very rude. They were out say that. I went to Andy's. Thank you very much. Did you get that strawberry short cake sundae? No, very rude. They were out of that. I got the key lime pie concrete. I love you know that one of my good clients works for Andy's and I registered my complaints with him about the strawberry shortbread sundae. What? Yeah. That's like one of their best things. He said that exact same thing. It's one of our best sellers. He said, I hate it too. He said the consistency of the shortcake is all wrong.

No. It's like cornbread. Nobody wants cornbread. Except for everyone does because it's one of their best sellers. He said what a lot of people do though, and this may have been what I should have done, is they order extra goo. Ew. What the fudge does that mean?

The strawberry goo. Okay. Well, just say extra strawberry. No, you don't need extra strawberries. You just need extra strawberry goo. Okay. Well, I think it's very obvious to me that your client was just being nice to you. I mean, he's very nice to me.

Exactly. He was just being nice to you. No. And in his head, he was thinking, wow, this woman is a nut. He said they cook it in store and so it gets overcooked all the time because nobody knows what the fuck they're doing. And he had to stop one going out the window the other day because it was burnt. He, like, literally stopped it. It was like a new employee.

And the employee was like, hey, you know, just, you know, make sure we're making this with like the, you know, we don't want to send out, you know, overcooked shortbread. And the kid was like, okay, so should I not give this to the customer then? He was like, yeah, no. Let's go ahead and remake that you know what that's a good young man he's looking out for people yeah all right well that was a worthwhile tangent um so kurt loved ice cream but one thing he didn't love was how icy it was and he knew because of science that the way to get rid of that icy taste was to get the ice cream to freeze faster. Is there an icy taste?

OK, OK. Hear me out. I think that means he's overturning it. Oh, blow it out. Your massive butthole. I'm sorry. I already ashamed you and I said I wouldn't. No, here's, here's what

he means. Okay. So you know how like you go, you get custard or whatever, and then you put it in your fridge at home and sometimes it'll get that, those little icy particles on it. That's because your fridge at home or your freezer at home is not as cold as like an ice cream shop. And so it freezes more slowly. And the time it takes to freeze more slowly, it gets all these ice crystal-ies all over it. You're looking at it. What? You blinded me with science.

Blinded me with science. So he was thinking about that one day when a light bulb came on above his blonde head. Eureka, he probably shouted. He put some ice cream mix in a mason jar and headed off to work. He brought it over to the liquid nitrogen and dropped the mix in, drop by drop by drop by drop. Did his employer know he was doing that? No, it was top secret because he was a bad boy. I just, I would never do that because I imagine that's against the rules.

You are, I tell you what, you're never going to come up with Dippin' Dots. You're right, I'm never inventing Dippin' Dots. He looked at it and thought, hmm, looks kind of cool. They were these little cold pellets of ice cream. He grabbed some and immediately chowed down, which as it turned out was a terrible idea because it had literally just been in the liquid nitrogen, and it basically fused his tongue to his teeth. Yeah. But as soon as those ice cream pellets warmed up a bit, he was blown away.

He loved the texture. It was so smooth. It is. He couldn't. Sure wish I had some nip and dots right now. It is. He couldn't help but think that he'd come up with something special. In a traditional ice cream, if you want to make it more creamy, you either add air to it or you increase the butterfat. But he'd found a way to make super creamy ice cream without diluting the flavor or adding more butterfat.

A magician. He's an ice cream magician. Yes. Or a mad scientist. Who's to say? That's right. Fine line. Plus, this ice cream was so fun.

Pellets are more fun than scoops, Brandy. That's a fact. Whoa. Oh. Yes, they are. Yes, little dots of ice cream are way more fun than scoops of ice cream. Present your case. Okay, I'm just picturing like a big scoop of Rocky Road

where you get the actual marshmallows in there. You're not getting that in Dippin' Dots. All right. You've made an excellent point. He brought some home to Kay and she tried it and she liked it. This could be big. Had Kurt just revolutionized the ice cream game?

He took the idea to his boss at Alltech and was like, hey, I'm basically an ice cream genius now. How would you like to be a part of the ice cream of the future? And he was like, did you put your fucking ice cream in our nitrogen tank? This is a chemical plant. We're doing important work here for animals. I mean, he's playing with yogurt and he brought in ice cream. He's contaminating the fucking nitrogen. So they got into a fist fight.

It was a rumble. It was like a lot of snapping. And his boss was like, no thanks, I'm not interested at all. Apparently Kurt's boss was a man of the present. Much like you, Brandy. About six months went by, but Kurt couldn't get those delightful ice cream dots off his mind. He went to Kay and said, Kay, I can't quit these dots. And she said, I know, and I support you.

Some of this dialogue may have been invented by me. I know no one had caught on. They were like, was she in the room? So they decided to make a go of it. Kurt designed a piece of equipment that would droop, droop, droop the ice cream mix into the liquid nitrogen. He began experimenting with new flavors. Vanilla, chocolate, strawberry, peanut butter.

It was all so delicious. It was all so delicious. It was all so exciting. He called it... Dippin' Dots! Yoglet. That's not a good name. Yeah, Yoglet. As in like a pellet of yogurt,

because frozen yogurt was really popular. It was the 80s. That's terrible. Okay, now, I do not know this, but I'd like to think that Kay, supportive, beautiful Kay, was like, oh, yeah, great yogurt. I love the name myself, but how about we just have some friends over? And we just ask them what they think because they had a bunch of friends over, and they all brainstormed names. And someone came up with Dip and Dot, like cute little characters. Yeah.

But Kurt heard Dip and Dot and the rest, as they say, is history. You hated that you joined in on that. I loved it. Okay. No. You had a look of rucarach. No. You had a look of regret. No. So they had a name and they had a recipe

and then fate brought in a man from Indianapolis. Woo-hoo! That's a man blowing in from Indianapolis. What happened to him? Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo! I couldn't decide if he was a ghost or if he was cotton-holed in the store.

Was he like the Wizard of Oz? In a way, yes. He said, hey, there's this storefront that I know of. It'd be a great location for an ice cream store. If you want to hire me as your contractor, I can help you get set up. But not just any ice cream store. If you want to hire me as your contractor, I can help you get set up. But not just any ice cream store. Ice cream of the future. But hold that thought,

because they didn't come up with that slogan until the future. Oh. The future being 1991. Oh, okay, great. Yeah. TippinDots was around in 1991? My dear, I just told you he invented it in 87.

He invented it, but he's kind of, you know, got to bring it to market and get it, you know. Well, yeah, I mean, it's happening. Okay. The Wizard of Oz just blew in from Indianapolis. The guy said, 20,000 cars pass by this location every single day. I can have you up and running by Christmas. Kurt and Kay were sold. In November of 1987, Kurt quit his job and they went all in on their Dippin' Dots store.

To help pay for the store, they sold one of their two cars and they took their $10,000 in savings and they invested it into the business. And when that ended up not being enough, they discovered that all these credit card companies were sending them letters like, hey, you're approved. And so they took out six new credit cards and maxed them out immediately. What? You don't like it? It's not a great financial plan. No, you get the credit cards and it's free money. No, because you have to pay it back.

Oh. But Christmas came and went and the Dippin' Dots store didn't exist. Turns out that the man from Indianapolis was a scammer? Yep, he was a con man. He was a grifter!

He really was like the Wizard of Oz. He was! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Pay no attention to the man from Indianapolis, as they say. It's a common phrase. Everyone's heard it. So hurtful to all the good men in Indianapolis. Yeah, he'd taken their down payment and just skipped town.

They did eventually get the store going, but it was about four months behind schedule. And that was tough. They'd been out of work much longer than they expected. They'd blown through all their savings. But they had a store. And it would bring in money. No, because people aren't. What?

People don't like ice cream? People love ice cream, but they're like, that doesn't look like ice cream. That looks like a little weird pellets. Okay. You are weird about new foods. I am. Do you remember the first time you had the Dippin' Dots? I don't. Hmm.

Hmm. I remember Dippin' Dots were around for a little bit before I tried them. You just watched all the other kids from afar. I did. I did. So I was like, what the fuck is that weird thing? And then somebody told me it was ice cream. And I was like, oh, okay, I'll try that.

And was it love at first bite? Yeah, I enjoyed it very much. Okay. Do you remember the first time you had Dippin' Dots? I also remember watching Dippin' Dots from afar, but not because I was— Because nobody would buy them for you. Yes. Do you know the pain of going to an amusement park with my dad in the 90s?

I can't imagine. Girls, girls, do you know how much we paid to get into this park? to an amusement park with my dad in the 90s? Imagine. Girls. Girls. Do you know how much we paid to get into this park? This is how they get you. With the food and the drinks.

Now see, if we all, if we all had gotten drinks, okay, do you know how much we would have spent? That's how they get you is like the chorus of my childhood yeah yep

brandy you've triggered something deep inside me it's my my mistake i feel like i remember many a meal where like we'd see some other family and they were carefree and they were like ordering a coke no an iced tea a girl can dream and my is that why you have to have so many beverages maybe maybe because you guys were like i'll just take a water please yeah i mean it was like a special ass occasion if we could get something. Ass occasion, some might say. And even then, my dad would look at us in shame. He was the only one keeping us out of the poorhouse by drinking his water. Steve was a little bit that way. Steve would always get a water when we went anywhere.

I mean, you do save. I mean, they're not wrong. You do save money. You also save joy. Anyway. So, yeah. I saw other kids getting the Dippin' Dots. I thought, oh, that looks mighty good.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Anyway, oh, that looks mighty good. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Anyway, enough of that trauma. So they had the store. It was going to bring in big money. Their store was located in Lexington, Kentucky.

They opened on a Friday night. That evening, a customer walked in, and she asked for a sample of the ice cream. She took it. She tried it. And said, I think I'd like to buy a Coke. And so she got a Coke and then she walked out. That was her first customer. Oh, no.

And that kind of set the tone for her. And she was just like buying the Coke just to be nice. Yeah. Oh, 100 percent. Yeah. You can't just take a sample and be like, well, that was weird. Kurt and Kay were the main employees. And by this point, their daughter was five and she'd nap in the store.

Sometimes she'd work the register, which I think is alarming. Right. Well, luckily, they didn't have very many customers, so that couldn't have happened too often. What if they'd secretly been really successful, but they had a five-year-old register? Funny thing about their location. Kurt later said 20,000 cars drove by a day, but that's exactly what they did. They drove by.

Mm-hmm. So it was rough. Their ice cream was strange. Their location wasn't great. So Kurt and Kay decided to close the business. They'd been in business for nine months. And I don't know why my voice did that. Nine months.

They'd made $52,000. And that didn't even come close to touching their expenses. I was going to say, what were their expenses? If their expenses were low, that might not be terrible. I mean, liquid nitrogen ain't free. No, no, I can't. What? Liquid nitrogen? Liquid nitrogen.

That's the off-brand liquid nitrogen. The ice cream's not nearly as good, but it is cheaper. That's how they get you, Brandy. With liquid nitrogen. But they still really believed in Dippin' Dots, and so did Kurt's entire family, and it looks like Kay's did, too. His sister Connie was particularly supportive. Once the store closed, she was like, you know what? This ice cream is so unique.

It's so fun. I'm going to call around to some theme parks and see if they're interested. Ooh. Mm-hmm. Ooh. You feeling like it's turning around turning around turning around yeah they'd already had some success at fairs and festivals so that seemed like the way to go yeah because people will try weird shit at fairs and festivals yeah you tried two

dicks what i'm sorry pat. We'll have to get that. We're like, this is free. It was at the petting zoo. So she called up Opryland Theme Park in Nashville, Tennessee. Oh, yeah. I've been there. Have you really? Yeah, sure have.

What do you remember about it? I bought a bell there. The Dippin' Dots? A bell. Oh, my God. You and your souvenirs. Tell us about this bell. Oh, you collected bells, didn't you? I did. Oh, my God. You and your souvenirs. Tell us about this bell. Oh, you collected bells, didn't you?

I did. Yeah. It was white. It had gold trim. Real gold trim. Oh, my. Genuine. Inside Opryland.

Sounds incredible. Yeah. Was it a good time? I mean, can you tell us anything other than you got a bell? Oh, I got a bell. All right, very good. Opryland was known as America's musical show park. Of course it is.

I remember that well. But today, you can't hear the singing anymore. Did everybody die in Opryland? It closed in 1997 because they had these very valuable gold bells and what? Unknown. Oh, unknown. Everyone, Brandy got an unknown call. Do calls even show up like that anymore?

Is this like a horror movie and I die in seven days now? I mean, perhaps, just like the Opryland folks. It was Opryland calling. But it couldn like the Opryland folks. It was Opryland calling. But it couldn't be Opryland. They closed years ago. What if we wrote the dumbest horror movie to get? You take the call and it's just a bell.

Oh, shit! This movie's writing itself! Okay, everybody, we gotta go on break again. Gotta write the blockbuster of the summer. That's right. We will play ourselves. Obviously. So, you know, she calls up the Opryland.

The Opryland? I'm sorry. I don't know why I said that. She called up Opryland, talked to the food service supervisor, and the conversation, you know, it didn't go great. They had rude questions like, what are your sales numbers? Do people enjoy the product? But Connie at least got Kurt an appointment with the Opryland people. So they had the meeting and Kurt brought in a bunch of samples and the Opryland people loved it.

Like head over heels, loved Dippin' Dots. At the time, they were building a new roller coaster called Chaos. And this would be the perfect treat to launch with Chaos because Dippin' Dots was like ice cream but chaotic. The Opryland people were like, we think we're going to sell 100 gallons a day. That was amazing news. But Kurt's machine only made like four gallons an hour. So to prepare for Opryland's upcoming season, Kurt and Kay took a garage that they had on their farm and converted it into an ice cream plant. That seems expensive. Yeah, it was.

So his mom and dad got a $30,000 loan on their property to cover the expenses. And it just seems that the whole family pitched in to convert the garage into an ice cream manufacturing plant. Okay. And they got it done. They were fully prepared to create more than 100 gallons of Dippin' Dots every day. In 1989, Opryland opened for the season. But they sort of had to rush to finish construction on their new roller coaster, which is something I love to hear.

Don't like that one bit. And that meant that the Dippin' Dots were kind of an afterthought. Oh, no. They were sold out of a snack stand with all the other snack stuff. And worst of all, the snack stand was right by where you got on the roller coaster. So no one wanted to buy ice cream right before they got on a roller coaster. Yeah, that just sounds like chaos. Oh!

You know, I think chaos is the word you used when you had three fiber one bars in the afternoon. So instead of selling 100 gallons a day, they sold two gallons a day. Oh, shit. Yes. Shit indeed. The following year, Opryland was like, hey, hey, new plan. We will put you in a kiosk that sells Dippin' Dots exclusively. This will really show off the product.

People will love it. Yeah, it's going to be at like the back of the park. By the ride no one goes on. By the bells. It's like, who's going to come here and buy a bell? Me. That's it. And you know what? I'd be like, who's going to come here and buy a bell? Me. That's it. And you know what?

I'd be like, what is that fucking Dippin' Dots over there? That looks pretty good. No, you'd be like, what's that? Ew. That's weird. I'm not ready for the ice cream of the future. Give it a few years, okay? Kurt was optimistic.

Surely this was the way to go. But sales sucked. About six months into the year, Kurt called them up and was like, hey, why are our sales so low? And they were like, well, you know, to be honest, we only have but so many employees. And when we get really busy. We shut down Dippin' Dots and put them at our other snack stands. No, no, we don't even open the kiosk. No, no, no, I know. We put the employees at the other snack stands and Dippin' Dots and put them at our other snack stand. No, no, we don't even open the kiosk. No, no, no, I know.

We put the employees at the other snack stands and Dippin' Dots just closed. Like the Dippin' Dots experience I had at the mall just recently. Still happening to this day. It was Opryland all over again. Also, and this is fair, people would come up to the Dippin' Dots kiosk and they'd be like, what's this? How do you make it? Why is it in these little balls? And the kid behind the kiosk would be like, I'm a communications major. You know, like, I don't know.

These are Dippin' Dots. They cost what they cost. It's what it is. They cost what they cost. It's what it is. Kurt said, so in other words, it's only being opened when it's a cloudy or rainy day or you don't have a lot of people in the park. And they were like, you catch on quick. At the end of the year, the Opryland people were like, hey, this just isn't working out.

It's not you. It's me. We're done. So Kurt went to pick up his equipment and he got his old T-shirt and his CDs. But the guy who met him at the park was like, hey, we're actually – I'm sorry. I was tripped up by my own hilarious joke. Hey, we're actually getting a new food service supervisor. Just like a ton of Dave Matthews bands.

He might be open to doing something with you. And so Kurt. Good butt stuff? They didn't specify. So Kurt came prepared for anything the guy wanted. And luckily, or unluckily, depending on what was on Kurt's mind that day, the guy just wanted to talk about ice cream. Dang it.

Got all lubed up for nothing. Kurt had put a quarter in a teabag. Just in case. A quarter in a teabag. Just in case. The jokes on this podcast. They're highbrow. They're highbrow.

There's no mistaking it. So Kurt met with him and the guy said, okay, look, if you can kick in some money to remodel the building by the petting zoo, then you can turn that into an ice cream shop and you can run it and we'll take a percentage of your sales. So Kurt was like, yeah. And his family took out even more loans and they opened the ice cream store by the petting zoo. I called it the petting zoo. It was a zoo. It wasn't like one of those Microsoft MP3 players. It was not an off-brand iPad.

It wasn't like one of those Microsoft MP3 players? It was not an off-brand iPad. It really was the ice cream of the future with a Zune next to it in the 80s. I mean, people were blown away, Brandy. They couldn't believe it. That first day, they sold $300 worth of ice cream, which sounds depressing, but it was more money than they'd made on any single day in the previous two years. Oh, my gosh. So they were thrilled.

When Opryland was in season, Kurt and Kay would rent an apartment in Nashville. They had six or seven employees, and instead of putting them up in a hotel, they'd all sleep in the apartment together. And I know that sounds really nice and fun. And get a load of this. No, it sounds horrible. No, it's even better than you think it is because Kurt's mom was a nurse, and so she had access to all these great eggshell mattresses that the hospital planned to throw out just because a patient had already used them. throw out just because a patient had already used them.

So before they'd hit the dumpster, Kurt's mom would be like, yoink, pick them up, and that's what the Dippin' Dots employees would sleep on. Do you think people died on them? A hundred percent, people. What do you think? That's the best thing that happened to those things. That's the best thing? Well, okay, would you rather have a mattress that someone died on or a mattress that someone, like, bled all over or pussed all over? Diarrheaed all over.

Exactly. A lot of things can go down at a hospital. Yeah, that is true. Okay, what's your choice? I'd rather take the one someone died on. Yeah, exactly. Was it? Never mind.

What? Go ahead. I think it's an inappropriate question. Well, we can cut it. Was it a particularly mind. What? Go ahead. I think it's an inappropriate question. Well, we can cut it. Was it a particularly oozy death? That's a relevant question, Brandon. Completely relevant. Because you don't want death and ooze.

No! Yeah. Pass on that. I'm sure she was real choosy with which mattresses she rescued from the trash. Doesn't that sound awful? Sounds terrible. It also sounds like, yeah, poor working conditions. I think it was all family.

I'm not sure. All right. I'm a big fan of of treating your family like shit. Your family that's taking out loans for you to help get your ice cream of the future off the ground. You know what they should have done? What? Got a spaceship. Everyone, she's quite proud.

Quite proud. But enough about these sweet deals on barely used mattresses. The store by the Petting Zoo, or Petting Zoon, did quite well. Over the course of the 90s, Dippin' Dots expanded big time. In 1991, they came up with the slogan, Ice Cream of the Future. In the summer of 1992, they got into the Kennedy Space Center. They sold Dippin' Dots as Space Dots. Oh.

People went nuts for them. They didn't even want to sample it. They just wanted to buy it. They sold almost 100 gallons of Dippin' Dots a day at the Kennedy Space Center. Dang! Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's probably their target demographic at the Kennedy Space Center. Right.

What are you trying to say? I mean, I'm saying people buy freeze-dried ice cream in little foil packages. Right, but imagine something that actually tastes good. I mean, that's wild. In 1995, they brought Dippin' Dots to Japan. They decided to franchise the business. And oh my, were you even a theme park or a stadium in the 90s if you didn't have Dippin' Dots? No, you were for sure not.

No, you weren't shit. But Brandy, you know what success brings? Haters. No, I was going to say competition. Jealous little bitches. Bitches who will steal your man and your revolutionary way of making ice cream. Somebody trying to copy Dippin' Dots? Brandy, hold on to your pants.

We're about to hit the court stuff. In 1996, it came to Dippin' Dots' attention that two of their former franchisees were thieving little bitches. Thieving little bitches. This is all in the court record. I haven't added my own spice to any of this. It was two brothers, Dan and Sean Kilcoyne. It was two brothers, Dan and Sean Kilcoyne. K-I-L-C-O-Y-N-E.

Kilcoyne. Yeah. And they were selling a product that they called Dots of Fun. Tomorrow's ice cream today. Okay. Well, that's way, like. Yeah. You ripped it straight off, brothers.

Uh-huh. Thieving little bitches, am I right-huh. Thieving little bitches. Am I right? They are thieving little bitches. They later changed their name to Minnie Melts. But I ask you, what's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Kurt was perturbed.

So he looked himself in the mirror and he said, Let's go to court! And he sued Minnie Meltz for $16 million for patent infringement. Yeah! But they countersued for $10 million. For what? I wasn't planning to tell you, but... They argued that the Dippin' Dots patent was not valid. They did that because if you're being sued for patent infringement and you're definitely infringing on the patent, which, hello, they obviously were, the best defense is to argue that the patent itself isn't valid.

This legal battle lasted for years. This legal battle lasted for years. And my understanding, based upon minutes, literal minutes of searching on newspapers.com, is that around this time, Dippin' Dots also sued another couple of thievin' bitches. Who are these bitches? They called themselves Frosty Bites. Oh! Here's a cute story. The people who started Frosty Bites initially inquired about becoming Dippin' Dots franchisees.

And maybe they learned a little bit. Oh, maybe they didn't. But either way, they were like, oh, no, thanks. We're not interested anymore. And then they started Frosty Bites. Okay. And then they bought the domain names DippinDots.net and DippinDots.org. Oh, well, you're not being real sly about it, Frosty Bites.

Thieving bitches, am I right? Yeah. Am I right? Mm-hmm. By the way, the only reason they didn't buy DippinDots.com was because, of course, DippinDots had it. DippinDots had it. They owned it. And they didn't even dream that, like, frosty asses would come along and gobble up the other domain names.

Anyway. That was a sick burn, wasn't it? It was. Once they got sued, the Frosty Bites people were like, okay, you can have those web addresses, but I think we can all agree that what they did was ice cold. These lawsuits were pretty similar, so the cases were consolidated. That's right. Yeah. Sucked into one.

Just like you with that petting zoo. Patty, we'll have to cut that too. Everyone, we just had to cut a very crude joke, which obviously if we have to cut a joke for being too crude, it's probably pretty out there. It's really out there. I don't think I should be allowed to do cases that no one requested. I'm having too much fun with this. I am jazzed to be talking about Dippin' Dots. So, you know, the lawsuits were

consolidated. And meanwhile, Dippin' Dots kept doing its thing. They grew. And all the while, the legal battle, it dragged on. Dippin' Dots' position was, you're all turds. You're ripping us off. No one is going to Six Flags to ask for

some fucking mini-melt. So just cut it out. Yeah. That was their official position. Exactly. Not really grounded in the law, but very passionate, and I respect it. And mini-melts' position was, you shouldn't have been able to patent this because the process for making this ice cream is so obvious. But they did it first.

Did they? I don't know. Did they? Also, your patent isn't valid. Naturally, these arguments spilled out into the press. In an interview, the Minnie Mouse... I do remember the giant controversy. It was a split.

Where were you? Where were you in the Dippin' Dots controversy of 06? I was sitting in math class. In an interview, the mini melts guy said of Kurt, neither he nor I invented this

product. It was invented in England in the early 80s. By who? An Englishman. I have nothing further. Okay. But the point is, Brandy,

that it's like super obvious. People are just drip, drip, dripping ice cream into liquid nitrogen all the time. Nothing unique going on here. In an interview with the New York Times, one of the mini melts guys talked about how different mini melts were from Dippin' Dots. How different are they? I'm so glad you asked. He said, their product is all uniform spheres, whereas ours is all different shapes and sizes, which we think adds to the uniqueness of the brand. It just sounds like you're not as good at making them as Dippin' Dots is. You know what I say?

What? Eat a dick, sir. Everyone hates you. Anyway, in 2003, they had a two-phase trial in federal court. The first phase was to figure out whether Kurt's patent was valid. And the second phase was to determine

was to determine They skidded. Yeah. And was to determine whether Minimelt's used Dippin' Dots trade secrets and similar logos to catfish their product. You know. Yes. Like a sexy lady. Yes.

In that first part, the federal court jury. You're not going to like this, Brandi. The court said no? So in the first part, the federal court jury sided with the thieving bitches. How could they? Well, I mean, maybe they felt like they weren't thieving bitches, but I'm not changing my mind. I've made it up. Okay, so here's the logic in very oversimplified terms.

Because you're dumb and I'm very smart. Thank you. I'm a communications major. And you're just a microbiologist. Basically, when you file for a patent, you have to do so within one year of inventing the product or process or whatever you've done. And if you go over that one-year period, the product is considered public art, and you lose your right to file for the patent. So the Minnie Meltz and Frosty Bites legal teams argued that Kurt had been talking about his invention openly in 1987. So even though he had applied for a patent less than a year after he opened the retail store in 1989, it didn't matter.

Because it wasn't within a year of invention. Kurt's lawyers tried to argue that he'd only talked about the invention as part of the experimentation process. But, I mean, the jury was not moved. Yeah. Yeah. And if that didn't suck enough, the federal court was also like, your patent is also invalid because your method of making your ice cream is obvious. Which is just rude and not true. Yeah. I'm sorry.

How many people are drip, drip, dripping ice cream? And like, OK, when he first brought it to market, everyone was like, I don't know. It's kind of weird. And then he was the one. Yeah. Who. I love that point, by the way. It just makes me mad. I don't know. It's kind of weird. Well, you've got to have some reward for being the one to think outside the box and then convince everyone to try something.

For being the one to think outside the box and then convince everyone to try something. Anyway, Kurt appealed. And the good thing about the appeal was that the court found that he had never committed fraud in regard to his patent, which was nice because he felt like, OK, well, that at least cleared my name. But it didn't really change things. It didn't get his patent back because they were saying so obvious. We've all thrown a little ice cream into a liquid nitrogen vat. Am I right? No one has done that. I'm just always accidentally

tossing stuff in there. Wait, did you guys do that in physics class in high school? I mean, I'm sure we did. So I had Mr. Stewart. Yeah, I had Mr. Stewart. Yeah, I had Mr. Stewart. Loved Mr. Stewart. He liked people who called him Bob.

Oh. And yeah, he brought in liquid nitrogen and we froze all kinds of things and ate them. Graham crackers was one of them. I think we did Skittles. And then he just like poured some on the ground. Oh, that does sound familiar. But we didn't freeze any ice cream. Dippin' Dots was already around by that time.

Well, and you know what Mr. Stewart said? He was like, you know what? Too obvious. Yeah. Not doing ice cream. Not doing it. Everybody's doing ice cream. Everybody's doing ice cream.

You heard about these mini melts? Everybody's talking about mini melts. Frosty Bites, Dippin' Dots, dime a dozen, I say. You know what you can do with a dime. Anyway. Just take it right up your... By this point, they'd been in this legal battle for like nine years. Oh my gosh.

Dippin' Dots, and this all comes from Kurt, but he said Dippin' Dots had already spent six million dollars in legal fees, and the court ordered Dippin' Dots had already spent $6 million in legal fees, and the court ordered Dippin' Dots to pay the opposing side's attorney's fees. Oh, my gosh. How much was that? A lot of money, probably. He said it was about $4 million. Oh, he's up 10 mil.

I'm good at math. I can add six and four and then put a million behind it. Don't want to brag. six and four and then put a million behind it. I don't want to brag. Looking back, he said, some people ask me, what would you do different? And he said, well, I suppose the right answer is I would have settled and then it wouldn't have cost me $10 million. But my answer is that I probably would do the same thing again because you're built the way you're built. Well, yeah. And if he truly believes like this is my idea,

I truly invented this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I'm sorry. They bought up the domain names. They were calling themselves like dot knockoffs or whatever. I can't even remember. Dop and Ditz.

I would try Dop and Ditz.' Ditz. I would try Doppin' Ditz. So would I. But no, that kind of sucks, right? Yeah, it does. So all of a sudden, you know, thanks to this. Oh, I'm sorry. I almost skipped a paragraph, which would have been devastating for the listener.

Of course. Would you like an energy drink? No, I'm great. Are you sure? Yeah, I just had, you know, too rich of a lunch. Too rich. For my blood. Do we need the fan on?

No. My eyes are water. Oh, my God. Some sensitive bitch. So now it was 2007, and thanks to this court ruling, there was nothing to stop all the other Dippin' Dots wannabes from hitting the market. Yeah. So all of a sudden, the market was flooded with pure horse shit like Itty Bits and Molly Cools.

Molly Cools! I love that name. It's a shame they went out of business. It is. What about Dopp and Ditz? Dopp and Ditz never took off, which is a shame. It is. That year, Dippin' Dots sales were about the same as they were in 2006,

but their production costs had gone up. So they went into debt. And they tried to restructure their loans, thinking that 2008 would be a great business year. It wasn't. Bad news. Bad stuff happened to the economy in 2008. Yeah, so their sales tanked.

Yeah, because nobody was going to amusement parks. Right, or malls or anything. All that disposable income or expendable money, as we say on this podcast. That's a joke from the bonus episode. You want to hear the hilarious origin of that story. You got to pay us money. Pay your expendable money. Yep. Send us.

Eventually, Dippin' Dots went into foreclosure. And to kind of fight that, they filed for bankruptcy. Kurt figured that they'd file for bankruptcy, restructure, and rebuild. Yeah. And in May of 2011, this, like, 30-year-old dude named Scott Fisher and his daddy, Mark Fisher, who is the CEO of an energy company, bought Dippin' Dots for $12.7 million. Why did you call him his daddy? Because I don't like this fellow.

So Kurt no longer owned Dippin' Dots, not even a little. They kept him on as CEO for three years, and then they opted not to renew his contract. But it sucks they took his company away from him. I mean, it was changed for money, but. Yeah. But, I mean, they basically paid the debt. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I didn't write this part down, but I found a newspaper article from when he was let go. And this Scott guy said something to the effect of like, hey, you know, he wanted to buy his way back into the company. He wanted to buy ownership. And, you know, that's a conflict of interest. So we had to let him go. It's like, well, I know. That sucks. When asked about Kurt, Scott had some super helpful advice, and I think it's great advice for all of us. So let's all

listen up and listen good. I don't think I want to hear it. No, you do. Brandy, never let a brand or a company or a position define you. You define yourself and bring your benefits to the company. I think it's always important to be prepared to exit the company at any point in time to the extent that it's better for the company. Gross. Dude, you're just a rich guy's son. A rich dude, yeah. This man built, I mean, oh, God, this man built the company from the ground up. Never let a brand or a company or a position define you.

Okay, I, on the one hand, I do agree with that. Yeah. But don't say that to someone who actually founded a company. Yeah. And like they put up the family farm for it. Right.

God damn. But as you pointed out at the beginning of this story Brandy under Scott's tutelage Dippin' Dots has done quite well.

These days Dippin' Dots makes way more money off of plant-based meat than it does off of ice cream. What? That's because in 2018, they formed a subsidiary where they licensed their technology to markets outside of frozen desserts, which is weird because I thought it was all super obvious. Yeah, anybody can do it. So, yeah. They do like little – They flash freeze meats now?

Oh, they do like meat crumbles? Plant-based meat crumbles? I looked briefly into – Meat like crumbles. Yes. I believe what they do – and full disclosure, I lost interest, so I didn't read the whole thing. But I believe what they do is they do like simulated fat molecules. Oh, crumbles.

Yes, they do plant-based crumbles. I don't know if you've ever heard of this, crumbles. Did you hear about this? What? These lentil crumbles? Yes. Did you talk about it with Kyla These lentil crumbles? Yes. Did you talk about it with Kyla? No.

She likes those fart bowls. Randy, I wanted them to sponsor this goddamn podcast. Everyone, did you hear about Daily Harvest? No, I should warn Kyla. She eats those fart bowls. She eats the fart bowls. We don't say that because they smell like farts. It's just it's very healthy stuff.

There's a lot of fiber in there. Yeah. And apparently some real bad stuff going on with their lentils. Hopefully they got that figured out. I saw an update today that they've tracked it down to one ingredient that they've never used in anything else. And it only comes from one supplier. But they're still not really sure why it's making people sick. That's reassuring.

Well, thanks a lot, Brandi. We'll never be sponsored by them. So, yeah, I also feel the need to tell you that there exists, on this planet, a picture of Scott. He's wearing a suit. He's got slick-backed hair. He's squatting in a laboratory with purple smoke billowing around him. Dude looks like he's taking a dump in the worst music video ever. It is the douchiest photo.

What's the picture for? You know when you're a super douche and you think you're... Yeah, like out in the shareholders portfolio or something? I don't know the original... Yeah, that's the right word. Cow holders. That's when someone jumps over the fence, hugs your

cow, and, you know, that's bad for business. Stopping it. I'm sorry, is that not the douchiest thing you've ever heard? Yeah, it's super douchey. Also, there's an episode of him on Undercover Boss. I used to watch that show all the time.

Oh, you would. You would. Oh, yeah. You did? Oh, you would. You would. Oh, yeah. Brandy. Oh, yeah. That show exists for one purpose and one purpose only. What's the purpose?

A giant jerk-off for the CEO. Yeah, that's accurate. And by watching it, you are participating. You got your hand in there. Oh, no! It's true. Mob-nobbing with the best of them. Anyway, he wore a stupid wig and, like, a really obvious beard.

That's every CEO ever on the show. But that's not fooling anybody, right? Have you seen the SNL skit? Yes. Yes. I love that. Adam Traynor. He's like Kylo Ren. buddy right the snl see that's what i would love to see someone bad-mouthing the boss right to them also um in 2018 scott got a duI one night after he left a children's hospital. What was he doing at the children's hospital?

He'd been at their Dancing for a Miracle event, and he was one of the dancing celebrities. So great of him to be doing an event for the kids. He drove into a bit for the kids. He drove into a pole and two houses. Oh, no! He told the officer that, to the best of his recollection, he had had at least three mixed drinks. Okay. Let me tell you something.

You hit a pole and two houses, my dude, it's way more than three. Everyone was fine, but the bird bath was never the same. Kristen. It was a bird bath annihilation. Stupid. Okay, the first article

I read about that was just like, he got a DUI. He hit two houses. Everyone was fine. I was like, I'd like to know more about that. Found another article said he was coming home like a niece or nephew who was like diagnosed with something terrible? Then I don't know. He had some medicinal tequila and it was a bad night. That's where my mind was at. Of course, yeah. Well, then I find out that he was dancing for a miracle and people had to dance with this guy. And, you know, then I decided I'll leave it in. Also, you think I'm done? I'm not done.

Also, you think I'm done? I'm not done. In June of last year, Scott's ex-girlfriend sued him, saying that he harassed her and used sexual images of her to control her. And she said that he sent the images to her mother. Gross! Yeah, it sounded like he sent it to, you know, a number of people, her mother being one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. you know, a number of people, her mother being one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a few weeks later, he admitted that he had, in fact,

sent a sexual photo of his ex-girlfriend to her mother. That's the most recent thing I could find on that lawsuit, but Godspeed, Amanda. Mm. Ugh. As for the Dippin' Dots founder, Kurt Jones. Yeah, what's Kurt? Kurt? Kurt?

Kurt Jones. Kurt Jones. Yeah, what's Kurt? Kurt? Kurt Jones. Kurt Jones. Who? Say my name and I'll... He started a new company. It's called 40 Below Joe. Dang it. I wanted it to be Doppin' Dots.

It's so bad. Competing with Dippin' Dots. Yeah. Taking over the world. They basically brew coffee and freeze it and capture it at its best. And I've actually looked into becoming a franchisee of this company.

I toured the facility, looked at all the paperwork, but I've decided that it would be a lot easier to just be born rich and take a dump in a purple factory. And that's the story of Dippin' Dots. Very good. It turns out it's a lot of work to start something from the ground up. Oh, shit. I would rather be born super fucking rich. Yeah. Wouldn't we all?

All right. Kristen, I have got a fresh one for you today. Oh, real? Pseudo-local. Okay. I've been following this one for a minute waiting for it to wrap up. Oh, okay. I love it when you get, like, creepy into stuff.

Yeah, I heard about this right when it first happened. Happens in St. Louis. Okay. So shout-outs to Joel Currier, Christine Byers, Kim Bell, and Rachel Rice for their reporting for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Most of this comes from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Sure. You ready for a disappearance? I think I am.

Let's do it. It was November 12th, 2019. Oh. In suburban St. Louis. Creve Coeur. To be precise. Crive Cours? Crive Cours.

It's two words. It comes from the French. It means heartbreak, or it comes from the French for heartbreak. But, of course, it's Missouri, so we don't pronounce it like the French pronounce it. We do it like a classier version? No. We have to look up a whole bunch of pronunciations. And that's, I believe, how the great state of Missouri says it.

Such a sexy language. The Missouri interpretation of French. Yeah. Versailles. Milan. Nice. Any whooser. nice any who's there so it's november 12 2019 and beau rothwell was worried his wife jennifer had left for work that morning at 6 20 but she never made it there concerned co-workers had reached out after jennifer had failed to show up that Obviously, it was not like her as it always is in these cases.

Wait, excuse me. Did I say Bo was worried? What I meant to say was that Jennifer's friends, family, and coworkers were worried about her and her husband, Bo, was pretending to be just as concerned. Oh, gross. Did they know right away he was pretending to be just as concerned. Oh, gross. Did they know right away he was pretending? Stay tuned. Okay.

There had been a snowstorm in the area the previous day. What if Jennifer had been in an accident or something like that due to bad road conditions? Jennifer had also just recently found out that she was like six weeks pregnant. What if she'd suffered some kind of medical emergency? Just before 9.45 p.m. that night, Beau called 911 to report his wife missing. 9.45 that night and she hadn't been to work all day? All day. The last time he saw her, according to Beau, was at 6.20 a.m.

And I assume they both worked like 9 to 5 or something. Yeah. Well, you know, you'd give it several hours for the show. Yeah. He told police that he and his wife the previous night had spent, you know, the evening at home together. They'd watch Netflix and then they'd gone to bed. Are you the most popular woman on this earth? Is this the same number that just called me?

Well, do you need to? No, they left like a weird message that was not for me. What did they want? They want to see some property. Well, show them some property. They want to see my property. Okay. Literally 15 years ago, Norm got a bunch of calls and texts from this one number.

This lady would not let up. And in her final text message to him, she was like, bring the Tostitos. And we still talk about it. And I bang tables. Bring the Tostitos, Brandi. Bring the Tostitos. Okay, so Bo relays to the police that the previous night had been totally normal. They'd watched Netflix.

They'd gone to bed. And then Jennifer had left for work the next morning at 620, just like normal, and that she was dressed in business attire. Okay. That's as specific as he could get. Well, okay. That doesn't super surprise me. All right. He also really... Hold on,

Brandi. Not everyone is a creepy observant person like you. I mean, you go in, you're like a spy. I am. I know. You scan a room. I do. I do. Like, we sat down at lunch today. Yeah. And behind you, I noticed like 15 minutes into lunch, there was this weird table of like all white dudes who looked exactly the same.

There were like 15 of them. And I was like, what the hell is happening over there? You didn't even turn around. You were like, oh, yeah, I saw them when we walked in. They're all blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, what? So, like, I don't know that I could necessarily tell you what Norm had warned to work in the morning. Yeah.

All right. Okay. Okay. He also, and I found this noted specifically in an article, so I'm going to note it as well. He also relayed to like the 911 dispatcher that a co-worker had informed him that she'd never made it to work and that the co-workers were concerned. Okay, again, I, what? No, no, no, you're, you're going too hard on this. All right, all right. Why would you, why wouldn't you also mention like, okay, no. You're going too hard on this. All right. All right. Why wouldn't you also mention like. Okay.

Other people are concerned as well as not just me. All right. I can see it from that angle. You're right. Well, yeah. Okay. All right. All right.

A search was started nearly immediately. Friends and family aided by the police and Bo began canvassing the area. By the next day, posters with Jennifer's picture and height and weight were up all over town. I'm telling you, you do that to me, I'll haunt you, bitch. Exactly. And Jennifer's car was found pretty early on in the search. As it turns out, her car had actually been located by police about 12 hours before Bo reported her missing. Oh.

It had been tagged as abandoned and ready to tow. It was found on the side of the road like a mile and a half from Bo and Jennifer's house. Now hold on. This day that she didn't go into work, was this a Monday? I don't know. Okay. I'm just thinking for them to notice the car and flag it. Well, okay.

It seems like that would take some time. There had been a snowstorm. So I'm thinking, okay, if police are on patrol, making sure that snow plows can get around. All right. They tag abandoned cars. They tow cars faster in winter conditions. Yeah. Yeah.

And so they likely thought that it had been left there because of the snow or because it had been involved in some kind of accident. And it was just like, you know, when you see a car that's got like the sticker on it. Yeah. So like that's the state that it was in. But under further investigation, they determined that the car was in perfect working order. It hadn't been involved in any kind of accident. And Jennifer's phone was found inside. involved in any kind of accident. And Jennifer's phone was found inside. This was obviously super alarming. And the search for Jennifer intensified in that area where her car had been located.

Like I said, it was about a mile and a half from their house. It was found near the intersection of Olive and Fifi Street. That's silly. I just liked the name Fifi Street, and they said it was just down the way from Old Fifi Street. What? So there's a Fifi Street and an Old Fifi Street, which sounds very confusing. And I didn't put any of that in my notes, but she stuck it right up here. Yeah, it's in the brain. Waiting for a trivia night sometime. It's in the brain.

Waiting for a trivia night sometime. In the meantime, police were talking to Beau and he was being uncooperative. He wouldn't let police into their house. He wouldn't let police look at his truck. And he refused to give a DNA sample. And he requested an attorney, which I don't think is that alarming. Like if your wife goes missing. Wow, Brandy, you've come a long way, baby.

I really don't. Your wife goes missing. Yeah, you get an attorney. Everyone, let's take a moment and think about the progress that Brandy has made in this podcast. Not that long ago, you would have been like, guilty as fuck. But I don't think it looks good

that he won't let the police in his house or his car or offer up a DNA sample because if your wife's missing and you want to do anything to find her, you should probably let them come on in

and take a look around. What Bo did do, though, was put out the trash on the curb. Well, they can take that. On November 13th. So the day after he reports Jennifer missing, he puts out the trash. And once it's out on the curb, it is fair game.

And so, detectives. I've gotten so many great shit. Did you? So many great shit. So many great shit. Not a phonics book, though. Waiting for that one. So detectives are just kind of looking through there.

And do you know what smell was just wafting off of that trash? Coffee grounds. No. I just hit the whole microphone. I apologize. That's great. Bleach, Kristen. Oh.

Clean guy. That's great. Bleach, Kristen. Oh, clean guy. Uh-huh. And inside that trash can were cleaning products on cleaning products on cleaning products, along with a large amount of used paper towels and rubber gloves. Well, so the paper towels were probably covered in blood, right? You just said they were soaked, I assumed, in blood. Blood and bleach. Yes, exactly.

Additionally, they found a receipt from a local Dearburg's grocery store. Not familiar. No. But it was dated November 11th, the day before Jennifer was reported missing. The day before Beau said he'd last seen her. What did he buy? Do you want to take a guess? Oh, God.

A whole bunch of bleach. Uh-huh. Gloves. Rope. No rope. Just a bunch of cleaning products. Okay. Yeah.

Rubber gloves. Oh, God. Mm-hmm. A large cleaning products. Okay. Yeah, rubber gloves. Oh, God. Mm-hmm.

So detectives went to the Dierberg store to check surveillance footage and wouldn't. Did they burp? They did right there at the Dierberg's office. No one's ever done that before. They're all very well-mannered at the Dierberg's office. Exactly. And so then they checked the surveillance footage. And sure enough, there was Beau Rothwell purchasing cleaning products in the middle of a snowstorm on November 11th. OK, well, it's OK to purchase cleaning products in the middle of a snowstorm.

But he had already told them. Oh, yeah, you wouldn't go out. Yeah, you wouldn't go out during a snowstorm. I don't know why I'm trying to defend. And also, this was directly contradicting the account that he had told the detectives already about how he'd spent the evening at home with his wife watching Netflix. And then they just, you know, gone to bed. Nothing alarming had happened there. For sure.

Don't worry about it. Also, the snowstorm was so bad that they had told people not to venture out because road conditions were so dangerous. Unless you really need some cleaning supplies. Right. Just the essentials. So armed with this information, this surveillance footage, and the fact that Beau had lied to them about his activities on that night, they secured a search warrant for the Rothwell home, as well as Bo's truck, cell phone, and computer. When they entered the Rothwell home, investigators were hit with the overwhelming scent of bleach.

Yeah. And in the basement of the home, they found bleach-soaked carpet with a large red stain. Oh. And despite the fact that the outside temperatures were in the 30s. He had all the windows open? All the basement windows were open. And a giant circulation fan was pointed, like, at the stained area of the carpet.

Oh, God. Investigators took a sample of the carpet and the pad and it tested positive for blood. They then obtained DNA samples from Jennifer's parents. And like within a day, this seems like super fast. It's like a DNA rush order. Within a day, they were able to confirm that the blood was Jennifer's. And at one time, very recently, a large amount of her blood had been spilled in that area. Yeah. Okay. I know you said she was pregnant. Did they have kids? No. Okay. So they were married for like three years.

They'd been together for like five years, maybe longer. They were both chemical engineers. They'd met at MU while they were both going through engineering school. And then they'd moved to St. Louis to get jobs in the chemical engineering field. And they were doing really well. Yeah. And they had been actively trying to start a family. Inside the garage of the home, police found Bo's 2015 GMC Canyon pickup truck. And when they, so it had like a bed cover on it. And when they opened the bed cover, they were again overwhelmed with the smell of bleach. And again, despite the outdoor temperatures, the garage window was open.

After completing the search of the home, or as my notes say, after completely the search of the home. Sure. Bo Rothwell was arrested on suspicion of murder and the investigation turned from a missing person investigation to a homicide investigation. The following day, Bo was charged with the murder of his wife, though police had not yet recovered her body. Bo would spend the next few days in custody, refusing to cooperate with the investigation. Sure. Then, finally, on November 18th, 2019, nearly a week after he reported Jennifer missing, Beau sat down with investigators and his attorney and told them the general area where they could find her body.

the general area where they could find her body. And after a six-hour search of a four-mile stretch of U.S. Highway 61 near Troy, Missouri, so this is like the outskirts of St. Louis, kind of like a rural area near St. Louis, police found Jennifer's body about 20 yards off the shoulder of the highway in a wooded area. She was naked. There was a plastic bag over her head. It was like duct taped around her neck. And she was partially covered with branches and brush.

And an autopsy would later determine that she died of blunt force trauma to the head. Oh, God. When he was initially charged, he was charged with second-degree murder because they didn't know the, like, circumstances surrounding the death. After the autopsy and further investigation, those charges were upgraded to first-degree murder. And Beau Rothwell pled not guilty.

Wow. I mean, he's not short on confidence, is he? No. I'm surprised that she was found naked. Yeah. I mean. I know that seems kind of silly to say. Because, I mean, if you can kill someone, of course you can leave them naked.

But I guess that's surprising because they were married. Yeah. They had a personal relationship. Yeah. So friends and family were super stunned by this. Nobody thought there were any problems in the Rothwell marriage. Like it seemed like this was a little family that was just starting out and was super happy with the way their, like the direction their life was headed. When it became clear that Beau

was involved in, first of all, the disappearance of his wife and then the murder of his wife. It was shocking to Jennifer's friends and family and I believe Bo's family as well. So Bo pled not guilty and his murder trial began on April 26th, 2022. Whoa. Yeah. Brandy, this is a fresh one. It's super fresh. Whoa. Yeah.

Brandy, this is a fresh one. It's super fresh. At trial, the prosecution presented a bunch of information that they had uncovered during the affair, he found out that Jennifer was pregnant and that he was really conflicted about what direction he wanted to go with that. Does he stay with his mistress? Does he stay with his wife? Does he wait it out? So conflicted, in fact, that they found a pro-con list. No.

On his, I believe they found it on his phone. Mm-hmm. con list. No. On his, I believe they found it on his phone. So this was his pro con list on whether he should stay with his mistress or stay with his wife. His pros, he'd have a better sex life with his mistress. She was nicer. Dude, the mistresses often are. He get more respect more appreciation oh his mistress was a proven mother okay um he would potentially have a nice family did he say potentially potentially nice family that's one of the pros he's not a betting man that's okay he's all right and it would be a fresh start. The negatives. Was it at this point? Was he thinking divorce or. You know, that's kind of up for. OK. Up for interpretation. All right. And that's kind of what the prosecution and defense will kind of argue on. Yeah. The cons of staying with the mistress over Jennifer. What's the mistress's name? Don't know.

Okay. The cons probably limit one kid. That's what it says. Okay. It's funny. I'm curious about – because, okay, so she's a chemical engineer. Yeah, she probably is wanting to be cautious about her career so maybe she doesn't want to have more than one child yeah i believe these are the cons of leaving jennifer not the cons of staying with jennifer oh well you know

what he really should have done was to pro and con. He probably should have, yeah. For my own clarification and also written down, do I divorce or do I murder? Yeah. Yeah. Make everyone's job a little easier. Con, Jennifer and her family, I assume upsetting them and losing them. Con, have to move. God, dude. Con, lose half my assets and money.

Oh, God. Uh-huh. Dude. Con, lose half my assets and money. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Con, probably get another job. Did they work at the same place?

Okay, you don't know. I don't know. So, like, the mistress comes up. We'll get more into that. But the mistress's identity, as far as I could find, was never released. Is mistress the word we use anymore? That's what they use in all over this case. I don't know. Well then, who are we to say otherwise?

That's the only way they refer to this person. I prefer side piece. Con. Most of my friends. Does it mean he's going to lose most of his friends? Yeah, he could have been more clear. Con.

Trust is shaken slash tainted. Okay, again, I don't... Okay. Con. My family's disappointment. Yeah. Yeah. Con. Take on her kid with his problems. my family's disappointment. Yeah. Yeah. Khan

take on her kid with his problems. Mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So the prosecution painted this out like he

this was a man. Isn't it weird that the word for a woman is mistress but the word for a man is maestro? I don't think that's accurate. I thought it was mattress.

You know what's sad? I thought of that joke. There came a time for it, and I was like, nope, that is so stupid. But I couldn't help myself. I had to interrupt you. Anyway. Listen, we've all been there. We've all been there.

So there was this show. I don't remember the name of the show. I don't remember. Anyway. I'll have you know I exhibited restraint in that episode because about halfway through, I remembered that it was Frasier's dad who'd played one half of the couple. You know what? You should have said that.

That would have been funny. No, okay. But you held back because you were embarrassed, weren't you? I was. It turns out it was an episode of ER and it was, in fact, Frasier's dad who played one of the members of the couple. That's on you, Madeira. That would have been hilarious if you'd been like, hold on.

Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. This shit's in. It was Fras shit's in. It was Frazier's dad. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So this was all something he'd been weighing over the course of some time. And then finally he'd made his decision. He was going to stay with his mistress, which meant that he had to get his wife out of the picture.

And so he'd murdered her. He disposed of her body. He tried to clean up the crime scene. And then he'd joined the search effort for her, knowing all along exactly where she was. This guy's fairly young, right? Yeah, they're 28. They were both 28 at the time that Jennifer disappeared, the time Jennifer was murdered.

Yeah. By her husband, though. Oh, spoiler. It amazes me. Someone at 28 years old is like, oh, but my assets. Oh, yeah. I mean you're both chemical engineers. Yeah.

The prosecution painted this picture of Beau that he was like a meticulous planner. They presented text messages and some other evidence that, like, Beau and Jennifer had been trying to conceive a child for some time. And they'd been tracking ovulation together they'd gone through extensive planning together to do that and then once they had learned that jennifer was pregnant they had created like a pregnancy calendar in their house to note milestones along the way this is so fucked up it's so up. And he's banging some lady on the side the whole time. The whole time. So that's kind of the gist of the prosecution's case. They obviously have tons of physical evidence like that she was murdered in her house. They were able to,

you know, present all the evidence about the cleaning supplies. Absolutely. They're good. They were able to, you know, present all the evidence about the cleaning supplies. Absolutely. They're good. And so then it was the defense's turn to put up their explanation for this. They did not claim that Beau didn't murder his wife. He simply was not guilty of first-degree murder because he'd done it spur of the moment and a fit of passion. Okay.

So Bo and Jennifer had a really good marriage. They'd loved each other. They had wanted to have a child together, but it hadn't been easy. but it hadn't been easy and the process of trying for a child had become daunting to Bo and he'd lost interest in his marriage their sex life had been clinical and so he hadn't hadn't had much of a choice he'd had to look elsewhere to get the passion back. This is really stupid. It's so stupid. But then Jennifer

had gotten pregnant and Bo found out. She told Bo and then he felt super guilty about his affair. And he decided he needed to end things with his mistress and come clean to Jennifer. And that's exactly what he'd done.

Oh, but Jennifer messed it all up by freaking out. And so she shoved him. He shoved her back. And, oh, oopsie, she's dead, right? Yep, pretty close. Pretty spot on, Kristen. And you know who better to tell us what happened? No.

Than Bo himself. Bo took the stand in his own defense on Thursday, April 28th, 2022. Imagine if he was as smart as he thinks he is. Oh, yeah. And so it started out with his defense attorney asking Bo to talk about, you know, his relationship with Jennifer. How had they met? You know, he went through how they'd met at Mizzou and they were in chemical engineering program together and they were each other's best friends and things were great. They had the best relationship. They'd always talked about wanting kids very early on in their relationship. They knew that's what the future held for them. They got married in 2015, moved to St. Louis for work. And in 2018, they tried to start having a family. They started tracking ovulation, doing all of this stuff. But they had found out pretty early on in that process that Jennifer suffered

from endometriosis, which made conceiving more difficult. And Beau explained on the stand that their efforts to conceive turned into a chore. He said he lost interest in their relationship and they started to grow apart. He said that he began having an affair in June of 2019 and that he and Jennifer were still actively trying to conceive while he was seeing his mistress. I hate that. Yeah, it's disgusting. Yep. Then in October, October 26th, 2019, Jennifer text Bo and said, oh, my gosh, I think I need to get a pregnancy test. Like, I'm pretty sure I'm pregnant.

Like, I'm pretty sure I'm pregnant. And that was kind of the whole conversation. But he said that night they'd ordered pizza and he like was at the door getting the pizza like their dog was barking. And then all of a sudden Jennifer like came down to the door and showed him the pregnancy test and was like, oh, my God, we're pregnant. Yeah. And Bo said that it rubbed him the wrong way. What? It seemed anticlimactic to him because Jennifer was really into big reveals and he kind of thought she'd do some kind of like cute announcement thing.

Oh, I'm so sorry that you don't live in a TV show, sir. He said he'd been so caught so off guard that he almost dropped the pizza upon receiving the news. And what a tragedy that would have been. That is upsetting. that as he sat with the news that Jennifer was pregnant and that Jennifer began talking about a nursery and, you know, adding the baby to one of their insurance plans after it was born, like how real this was and how he needed to make some decisions

about how he was going to move forward. He said it was a really confusing time. And he sent a message to his mistress around that time about the future of their relationship. He said that there were three possible outcomes. the mistress, or he could admit the affair to Jennifer and get a divorce, or he could wait and see if she had a miscarriage or something. Oh, no. Was his goal to make her miscarry? Well, so, no, that's not what the prosecution tries to argue about this text message. OK.

They said that the or something is proof that he planned – he had some thoughts about – Yeah. I don't know. I know. I think it's too vague to say that that shows premeditation. I agree. But, yeah, that's what the prosecution will argue from this text message is that right there he said we can wait to decide. We can wait to see if she has a miscarriage or something.

Yeah, no, I think this is just a wishy-washy asshole. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Also, who's going to pick C? Yeah, let's just wait for that miscarriage or something. So at that point, Bo's defense attorney asked him if he was hoping Jennifer had a miscarriage. And on the stand, Bo kind of sighed. Oh, the emotion got him. Yeah, he was kind of struggling.

And then he finally said, you know, he didn't hope it was a miscarriage, but he did hope like he wanted to not have to make a decision. And that would keep him from having to make a decision. So, yeah, you wanted a miscarriage. You wanted a miscarriage is what you're saying. You piece of shit. He said it was a confusing time. Except it wasn't. Yeah, no.

I mean, no one held a gun to your head and made you cheat on her while you were actively trying to get your wife pregnant. I mean, like, did you really not foresee this as a possibility? Yeah. Yeah. Ugh. Beau was asked on the stand by his defense attorney if he ever thought about killing anyone. Mm-hmm. And Beau said no.

Oh, no, of course not. Of course not. Oh, never. Except for the time I did. Yeah. So then the line of questioning turned to the night of Jennifer's death, November 11th. November 11th. Beau said that that day Jennifer was texting him questions about the baby and insurance benefits and how it worked.

Oh, that's so annoying. Oh, my God. Trying to plan because you're pregnant. Oh, terrible. Yeah. Yep. And then she needed to, like, bump her insurance coverage up to help cover more of her maternity costs and stuff like that and prenatal appointments. And he explained that he was the more responsible one when it came to these things. Oh, was he?

Reminding her not to miss the open enrollment period and to make those changes. Yeah, we'd all be so lucky to have a guy like this in our lives. Yeah. I hate this story. I'll be so lucky to have a guy like this in our lives. Yeah. I hate this story. Beau said that he went to work that day and he came home, you know, normal time.

And then Jennifer got home sometime around 515. And they did watch Netflix together in the basement that evening. And then at some point they went upstairs. I don't know. Damn it, Brandy. And then at some point they did go upstairs to make dinner in the kitchen together. And Bo said that it was during that time that they were having dinner that he decided it was time to come clean to Jennifer, let her know about the affair. He decided he was going to end it and he wanted to salvage things with her. Bullshit.

So he came clean to her and Jennifer was pissed. She demanded to know who it was. Who's the mistress? Who is this person? And Beau refused to tell her. Oh, I would go apeshit. Oh, yeah. I'm wondering if I should share this.

We can cut it. Or you don't. I mean, it's whatever. I think I'll share it and then I'll decide. Okay. Literally when I found out my ex-husband was having an affair when he told me, the very first question I had was, who the fuck is it? Yeah, of course. I can completely understand this yeah you want to know who it is yes yeah so he's just like no I'm not I'm not going to tell you that's not important what's important is that I made a mistake oh my god blow it out your ass. He said, he testified. How can you be, how can you be saying, yeah, we were actively trying to have a baby.

Also, I've been cheating on you forever. And I'm going to be condescending about it. Yeah. And say, now, now, hold on. Now, what's important here? Oh, my God. Yeah. He said on the stand that he told Jennifer, I messed up.

How can I fix this? Okay. Mess up is like a one-time thing, my dude. And Jennifer said, you can't fix this. Keep that bitch. Oh, God. I love Jennifer. Beau said that Jennifer then shoved him on the shoulder and said, you know what?

I've been having an affair too. This baby isn't even yours. He could get me pregnant. Things that didn't happen. And then at that point. Oh, a blind rage. A red haze of anger. Oh, darn. rage. A red haze of anger.

Oh. Actually, Kristen. Darn, I was so close. You were so close. I really get this guy. Yeah. A red haze of anger came over Beau at the claims his wife was making that not only had she also been having an affair, but that the baby that they'd been wanting for so long that he'd been hoping would wasn't even his

and so he grabbed a food mallet oh god off the kitchen wall and he hit Jennifer in the head with it oh my god he said that she was kind of dazed by it and that

she started to walk toward the garage and she got out to the garage or like right at the garage and he hit her again, this time in the back of the head. He believed that this hit cracked her

skull and at that point she fell down the basement stairs. Oh. And obviously, he'd cracked her head open, so there was just blood pooling all over the place. And he explained on the stand that he just went into panic mode and that he needed to hide and fix the situation. He told the jury that he left the house at that point and went to a couple of different stores to buy cleaning supplies. Was she still alive at this point? The medical examiner said basically she bled out.

Her brain hemorrhaged from the blow and she bled out on her basement floor. So she probably was. Was. Yeah. On some level. Yes. Oh, God. He went and he bought cleaning supplies.

He used cash and gift cards so that there wouldn't be able to trace his credit card or his debit card to the purchases. But he kept the receipts. No, he threw them away in the trash, Kristen. Those pesky investigators went through his trash. Right. You know, you can say no thanks. I don't want a receipt. I don't want a receipt.

And he went to work kind of cleaning up the mess. Around 2 a.m., he decided that he needed to move Jennifer's body. And so he took a big tarp from the garage and he wrapped Jennifer's body in it and moved it to the bed of his truck. He said that he'd watched crime shows in the past and they always take the clothes off of victims to dispose of evidence. And so he'd taken her clothes off. No, that's so stupid. Yeah. Yeah. They take clothes off of victims generally because they're sexually assaulting the person. Yeah. Yeah. He said he took her clothes off and put a bag over her head and duct taped it around her neck and then he drove out of town. Why did he do that?

I don't know. He said he'd seen it – like his – he literally said, I did these things, stripping her clothes off and putting a bag over her head because he'd seen it done on crime shows. Oh, my god. I'm also guessing that she was still bleeding a lot from her head at that point and it was maybe to contain the – My fear – Is that she wasn't dead all the way? Yeah. Of course.

Yeah. Of course. Oh god. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Of course.

Oh, God. Yeah. You know what I also think? OK, if you've seen crime shows and he thinks he's been so smart because he's paid cash and used gift cards and stuff, is he thinking I'm going to make it look like some creepy serial killer got to her? Probably. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. This is so upsetting.

Mm-hmm. So he said he bagged up her clothes and then he drove out of town. He said he just drove and drove until he was lost. And then he got her body out of the bed of his truck

and put it in that wooded area covered it with brush and tree branches and then he drove to like a business area and dumped her clothing and the tarp and some cleaning supplies into a dumpster there um and then he went back to trying to clean up the basement, clean up the carpets. The next morning he said he went to work to keep up the facade of normalcy. some point he did, after he had dumped Jennifer's body, he had then also ditched her car in that area where it was found before he had gone to work and he walked back to the house. And then, of course, he made that 911 call at 9.45 p.m. reporting her missing the next night. her missing the next night. When he was on the stand, Beau was asked by both the prosecution and the defense about the lies that he told after this, about lying to Jennifer's family, to co-workers, to the

police, helping with the search, all of that. And he didn't really have an explanation other than he was trying to keep up a facade. Sure. I mean, what are you going to say? Yeah. other than he was trying to keep up a facade. Sure. I mean, what are you going to say?

Yeah. He said that he never planned on killing her. It was the red haze of anger. Sure. But he did admit that he had weighed the pros and cons of leaving her. He testified that he felt guilty about having an affair, but that he believed he was in love with his mistress. And he also told the jury that he was still in communication with his mistress. Was she brought on the stand at all?

Wow, she really got lucky. They did share text messages in court between the two of them and Facebook messages. But as far as I could find, she was never identified. Wow. Beau said that he believed Jennifer when she said that she was also having an affair. He said there was a man that Jennifer would chat with online. They talked about Game of Thrones and that sometimes she would come home late from work and that sometimes she would do like girls nights out and he didn't really know what she was up to. I mean what if she did have an affair.

What's your point. You did too. Yeah. She didn't kill you. And when she told him which's your point? You did too. Yeah. She didn't kill you. And when she told him, which I'm not even convinced she really told him. No. I 100 percent do not believe she did that. He believed what she said about the baby not being his. But they did a DNA test after her body was recovered and the baby was in fact his.

Yeah. So here's why that doesn't make sense. If you're in this big like, oh, what do I do situation and you're – this is the kind of guy who just hopes things will resolve for themselves. He's hoping for the or something. Yeah. And if you come clean to your wife and she says – she's mad but she says, I've been cheating on you too. Well, that's kind of the or something that you're looking for. Yeah.

So I don't believe that that would send him into a rage. If anything, that would make him more calm. Yeah. Yeah. more calm. Yeah. Yeah. In their closing arguments, the prosecutor told jurors that the defense's claim that Bo killed his wife in a red haze of anger was a lie and that there was plenty of evidence of premeditation and that the efforts to cover up his crime speak for themselves. The prosecution reminded the jury that the pathologist had explained, the forensic pathologist had explained on the stand that there was no way

that that second blow was not intentional. It was intended to kill. And the pathologist didn't believe that it could have been done with a kitchen mallet. They believe it was done with something much bigger, likely a baseball bat. Oh. Oh. Mm-hmm. See, that to me speaks more to premeditation. Mm-hmm.

Absolutely. That it's not something you're going to find in the kitchen. Yeah. He went somewhere else, got another bigger weapon. Yeah. Something that you would actually use as a weapon. Yes. So the forensic pathologist testified that they believed that the crushing blow to the back of Jennifer's head had been delivered by likely a baseball bat and likely had been – she had been completely unsuspecting when it had happened.

She had been standing with her back to him at the top of the basement stairs. Yeah. Yeah. That speaks much more strongly to me than the pros and cons list and the text message. Yeah. list and the text message. The prosecution told the jury that Bo deliberated on this. He deliberated when he got the weapon. He deliberated when he drew it back. He deliberated when he brought it

down on her head. It was all part of his plan. The defense asked the jurors to acquit Bo of first-degree murder but find him guilty of abandoning a corpse and evidence tampering and voluntary manslaughter. Well, okay. And I want an ass as tight as a penny. I mean, are you serious? He said that Bo Rothwell clearly lost control of his actions because he believed his wife's claim during the argument that the baby was not his after months of a passionless marriage and countless fruitless attempts to get pregnant.

Okay, even if he really believed that, you don't get to kill someone over that. The defense said the state is trying to turn this extramarital affair into some sort of motive or deliberation. There simply isn't any evidence that he ever planned to do this. I mean – I agree there's not great evidence that he put. To me, it's the forensics that speaks most – I agree. Most strongly to it. Yeah.

The rest of it's weak. I don't know that I could find him guilty of first-degree murder. Now, he wouldn't get voluntary manslaughter. Yeah, blow that out your ass. The jury did find him guilty of first degree murder. And I'm happy with that. And they also found him guilty

of tampering with evidence and for abandoning a corpse. Beau Rothwell was sentenced on July 8th 2022. Oh my God, Brandi. This is super fresh. Okay. Jennifer's mother, Robin Van Housen, spoke via video conference at his sentencing.

She said, what are you doing over there? I am so sorry. My Fitbit thinks that I have been on a run for an hour and a half somehow. I took this thing off because I didn't think it went with your outfit. Right. So I put it in my purse. I think when we were in the car, maybe it thought that I was like going balls out. I don't know.

But anyway, just nice work, it says. Oh, great. Thank you. Appreciate that. So back to this. No, this is very important that says. Oh, great. Excellent. Appreciate that. So back to this. No, this is very important that we get to the bottom of this. So Jennifer's mother delivered a victim impact statement at Bo's sentencing. She said, Jennifer was a bright, loving light in our world.

We thought she'd found someone loving and caring to live her life with. After eight years, we started to care for and love him as well. The day we arrived in St. Louis thinking Jennifer was missing, he greeted us warmly, giving me a long hug, thanking me for everything, lying to us, lying to Jennifer's friends, his dad, his sisters and niece, as he prepared to continue his life. Jennifer will never know the joy of holding her child in her arms and guiding her through life. Instead, she walked her through heaven's gate.

Gone is our hope of loving and holding you, Jennifer, and your child for the rest of our lives. Gone are the moments of quiet joy you would have had with good friends and loving relatives. Jennifer will never know the ending of Cavafey's story. I don't know what that is. Oh, is that Game of Thrones? Well, OK. So then she said – the next thing she says is nor will she know if George R.R. Martin ever writes the ending, the real ending of Game of Thrones. Oh.

So – It's got to be some – Yes, exactly. George R.R. Martin ever writes the ending, the real ending of Game of Thrones. Oh. So. It's got to be some sci-fi. Yes, exactly. She'll never know the joy of dressing her daughter in a Halloween costume she made and taking her trick-or-treating in a matching costume. Jennifer is our beautiful baby girl. We hoped for more than 28 years with her. Instead, we spread her ashes in Missouri and Wrightsville Beach. Instead, we attended Beau's murder trial. Wow. That was very powerful. Yeah.

Beau was given an opportunity to speak at his sentencing as well, and he said, Beau was given an opportunity to speak at his sentencing as well, and he said, To Jennifer's family, words cannot describe how sorry I am. This should have never happened. Weak sauce, my dude. Yeah, weak fucking sauce. Words cannot describe. Beau was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole plus four years for abandoning a corpse. He has said he plans to appeal.

No, he doesn't. And that's the story of the disappearance of Jennifer Rothwell. Yeah. Because he shouldn't have been. He thinks he's smart, doesn't he? Oh, he does. And he believes he shouldn't have been convicted of first-degree murder. I mean I hate that I'm – OK.

Yeah. You know what? I wouldn't have probably, but I'm glad somebody else did. Yeah, I agree that the proof of premeditation is pretty low there. But the forensic stuff, I agree with the pathologist stuff. pretty low there. But the forensic stuff, I agree with the pathologist stuff. There's also like the school of thought that like if there really were two blows, like he could have stopped after the first blow and the fact that he went with the second

blow proves that he tried to kill her, which is enough to prove premeditation. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not mad at a first degree murder. No, no, not at all. Yeah. I think the other thing is that, you know, taping the bag around her head. If you weren't sure if she was dead, you're sure now.

Exactly. Yeah. So to me, there's – that is – Yeah. You're starting and you're stopping and you're continuing. Yep. So you can't argue that it's just all this one fit of rage. A red haze of anger. Yeah, the red haze.

It's a red haze. We've all been there. Okay, I've got to look this guy up. Okay. Beau What's his last name? Rothwell. What a douchey name. Yeah. Ew.

Well, gosh. She was super cute. Ew. You know what? She was probably the one who said to him, hey, sweetie, maybe you should just accept that you're going bald and shave your head. Yeah. Hey, sweetie, maybe you should just accept that you're going bald and shave your head. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, because there's a big improvement in his appearance after he shaves the head and grows the beard, right?

I'm not just saying that because obviously that's the look I enjoy. I think objectively we can look at the pictures and say that's an improvement in his appearance. No question whatsoever. Ugh, gross. Yeah. Can you imagine being the side piece in all this? No. And how did she manage to maintain – like to stay anonymous?

I mean if – I kind of like that oh I do too it's like if if she truly had nothing to do with this which it sounds like she didn't then there's no need to drag her name through the mud and especially

it sounds like she's got a kid I mean yeah it sounds like the right thing yeah it's just oh it's so it's just so heartbreaking to me because it's like, just get a fucking divorce, man.

Right? Get a fucking divorce. Yeah. This feels like one of those guys who's like, I'm in too deep. I'm in too deep. Mm-hmm. And if he would have just pulled his head out of his ass. Like, dude, you're 28.

Yeah. You're 28. Just get a fucking divorce. Yep. Yep. You got plenty of time to make back half your assets. Like, just get a fucking divorce. And again, I fucking hate that half my assets.

You two have great careers. You've been building something together and you get half of it. Yes. Where's the crime? Exactly. Anyway. Boy, we kind of did a light one and a heavy one there, didn't we? We did.

We did. Although the Dippin dip and dots thing was upsetting oh my goodness brandy you know what we should do now take some questions from our discord i agree absolutely and you know if you're not in the discord what are you doing with your life you just got to get on our patreon sign up at the five dollar level or higher. You get all the bonus episodes immediately. What do we got? Like 33 of those? Oh, 37.

Excuse me. And they are full-blown meaty boys, okay? We're not cheating you. That's right. Ooh, I see fat legs. Says Kristen, if you had a friend on 90 Day Fiancé, would you want to be on the show with them as that friend they always go out to talk with? Oh, God.

Would you stir up some drama? Oh, God. Oh, OK. Hmm. That is a very tough question, and I respect the question. Here's what I wouldn't want to be. I wouldn't want to be the one like, well, yeah, but have you thought about that? Maybe he's not into you for you?

You know, like they've got certain questions that it's like they have to ask. Yeah. Also, I'd be very worried about my hair and makeup and outfit choice because you really see a range on that show. And I would want to be looking on point. If it were you, if you were the one who had been sucked into this. Yeah. I mean, I would. Yes, I would be on.

Yes. If nothing else, because like. I'd want to try to like. OK. All right. OK. So imagine I'd never met David. Right.

OK. But I was like, oh, my gosh. I've been talking to this guy. Uh-huh. So hot. Mm-huh. So hot. Mm-hmm. He's British. I don't know.

I don't know if he's a fiancé. They can be from anywhere. Great. Great. Okay. Just not America. Then it ruins the show. Exactly.

He's British. He's from Missouri. Yeah. He's going to move here, but we have to get married. Mm-hmm. But he's the one. I'm so happy. Okay.

He comes. You meet him. And it is clear that he's not into me one bit and it's just, what do you do? He just wants me to marry him. How do I know? Is it just a feeling? No. Maybe he's like that.

You know that clip that you showed me about like the one guy who's like, I mean, you're going to go to the gym, right? Oh, God. Fuck off. Almost there, lazy. Yeah. Yeah. OK.

Yeah. He's also he's not just not into me. He's also just a dick. Right. Right. Right. OK. So off camera.

Yeah. I'd have off camera conversations with you about and I'd'd be very gentle, very blah, blah, blah. Like the time you tried to talk me out of getting the David tattoo on my chest. Yeah, when you'd known him for six minutes. That was a mean prank. Very rude. Very worried for you. Everyone, she told me she was getting a David, like, chest piece.

Anyway, so off camera very gentle hey blah blah yeah on camera are you mean to him on camera oh yes yes and i would look good while i do it because it's like this is your moment yeah okay so i would be hilarious yeah i would call him all kinds of names yeah just to make sure that the story they tell about you is not like oh look at you know yeah it's so sad it's more like wow look at what a dick this guy is yeah yeah exactly yeah very good i like that i support that very much i have studied this show. I know exactly how to play it. Okay. I just – I don't even know what to do with this question. Sakreen Corbin asks, should muffins be savory or sweet?

I consider muffins to be savory. What's – are there – I've never – a corn muffin? That's not even that savory. Do we – okay. Also, they spelled savory with a – are there – I've never had – a corn muffin? That's not even that savory. Do we – okay, also they spelled savory with a U in there. So is this a British thing maybe? It is for sure. It's your British boyfriend who is a dick. No, I've had like savory scones.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like that could be really good. So they go on and say, I love sweet muffins, but in my heart they are just cupcakes. I mean, that's fair. This is fair. But what's wrong with a cupcake? Masquerading as something healthier. I only think of muffins as being sweet. I don't.

And I often think of muffins. Jess Barrows wants to know, we hear a lot about your guys' parents and family listening to the podcast, but how about your in-laws? Have you noticed anyone you haven't always gotten along with listening to the podcast? Like those people in high school who were bitches but now they're listening? My in-laws don't listen. I mean, thank God. Mine do. Yeah.

David's mom listens occasionally. David's sisters both Mine do. Yeah. David's mom listens occasionally. David's sisters both listen regularly. Yeah. I, yeah. It's just, I can't imagine Norman's parents wanting to hear this much about me. I do wonder about if people that we like went to high school with listen to the pod. I mean, it's such a massively successful podcast it's gotten so big there's no question

i think they'd probably be shocked by the number of dirty jokes we tell yeah probably a lot of dick content on this it. It'd be really – honestly, it'd be really funny if someone who was a douche to us in real life enjoyed the podcast. I'd love that. Why? I don't know. I just think I'd really like it. I had someone – You have someone in mind?

Oh, gosh. I'm afraid. Yes, someone I still don't like and who didn't like me. I know they never liked me. At one point reached out and was like, congratulations on gaming a story. And I think, you know, what you and Norm are doing is so cool it's like you you didn't like either of us

it was very confusing ooh here's another question for you Kristen Comrade Brandy Comrade Comrade yeah whatever he's fucking. Comrade. Yeah. Whatever. He's fucking weird apparently. Back before the times of Norman, did you date any fellas or ladies

shorter than you? And if so, were they or you weird about it? Have you ever dated anybody shorter than you? No, I haven't. Like Jessie Spano in that one episode of Saved by the Bell where she imagines that she just keeps growing and growing and growing. I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay.

Here's something that I thought was kind of weird. So sometimes in social situations I have trouble being myself. Just kind of relaxing and being myself. With the short dudes, I always felt extra comfortable so I would be myself. And so sometimes,

occasionally, I would draw them in. You're feminine, Wiles? That's right. My feminine belches. Norm the other day said that I remind him of Homer Simpson a lot. That just sounds rude. It was. But then he listed some things and it all added up.

Oh, my gosh. Also, the other day he grilled up a bunch of chicken and it was delicious. He thought it was too salty. I disagreed. I thought it was amazing. And I ate a bunch of it. And yada, yada, yada. I ate all of it.

You ate all the chicken? Yeah. And so this was over the course of several days. Right. But anyway, he came down to the kitchen one day. He was like, what happened to the chicken? And I was like, I ate it all. He goes, you little coyote.

You are kind of a scavenger. And I'm quite quick. Mewlissa says, do you ever look up people's houses on Zillow when you're writing addresses to send out the stickers? Because that'd be totally weird and so not something I would do. That would be weird. That'd be totally weird and so not something I would do. That would be weird. That'd be really strange. Just like hypothetically if someone who's addressing the cards. We've hired someone to do that, right?

It's not someone at this table. Sometimes they see an address that like sparks some interest and they'll look it up occasionally. Like say someone lives on like Sleepy Hollow Drive. Gotta know what that house looks like. In our defense you're asking for it. You could have lived anywhere. You chose Sleepy Hollow

Drive. We're supposed to not look? Or say there's two addresses you know like five people apart that sound like they must be like right down the street from each other. Sometimes look that up. Everyone. This is a true story of two strangers. Who are both members of our Patreon.

And who live in the same apartment building. I mean, it's terrible because it's creepy that we've put it together. But we feel like it'd be even creepier to reach out to the people and be like, you two should be friends. But there's two people. Like, I want to know if you know each other. There's also two very nice houses in a very nice neighborhood in Utah that are both patrons and I want to know if they know each other. Okay.

Is this going to scare people off from joining our Patreon? Maybe. Should we cut this whole thing? Okay. Here's my creepy thing. So I'm not the one who addresses the cards. Yeah. Somebody else does that.

Yeah. We don't know who. I'm not sure who. Somebody else. We outsource that to an out-of-work supermodel, you know, when she's not on the runway. Anyway. Randy Began. That's it.

So I will occasionally see addresses just because, like, I'm doing Supreme Court inductions, have to look people up, whatever. Let me tell you something if you live in the kansas city metro area and you are a patron i've obviously looked you up yeah why did i say it so aggressively i don't know that sounds really creepy i don't do it in a creepy way not in a creepy way it's like a totally normal way normal not creepy at all you don't know to look up your address and be like, oh. I was like, you gave us your address. Isn't this weird how like, okay, nine times out of ten when a company gets your address, your fear is, oh, they're going to sell it to somebody. It's going to be like some weird date. Not here.

No. Not us. We're just going to Google your house. Also, there are two patrons who live in a very small town in Idaho that my grandma lives in. So I have to see how close they live to my grandma. Why don't you two show up at Brandy's grandma's house? The other thing is that sometimes I have to look up international addresses because I'm like, wait, does that go on the same line or does that go on a different line? Oh, yeah.

Not being creepy at all. Not at all. It's for science. Yeah. Also, you should know we're not judging the houses. I know we always judge the murderers' houses in these stories, but we're really not. Oh. Olive Garden Sommelier wants to know, one has to go, condiments or utensils? I know Brandy hates sauces, but no condiments at all or no utensils?

I don't like sticky hands, so I know. I'd probably go no condiments. I would too, but I wouldn't be happy about it. It would bother me way less than it would bother you. I know. Because my first thought is, is salad dressing a condiment? Yeah. Yeah, I think so.

But then it's like, well, I'm not going to eat a salad. Dry salad. No, I'm not going to eat a wet salad with my hands. What are you, a fucking bear? I am not. Thank you for asking. What is this? Do you know what this is?

What? Tiff and I asked, are you on Be Real? I joined, but none of my friends are on there yet, so I'm just sending crap to myself. Tiff and I, did you invent a new social media site? What is this? I've never even heard this. We're so old that we don't know stuff is even being invented? Well, if none of – okay, Be Real.

Okay, well, there's an American rapper named Be Real. Be Real. Why Be Real is breaking out? Be Real is a French social media app released in 2020. Oh. It's popular primarily with Gen Z. Oh. That's why we don't know about it.

No, we're not on it because we're old. Thanks a lot. It's a photo app. Yeah, you can catch me on MySpace. Hot new music. It got flooded to my page. Yep. Just click on my page.

Ooh, two-time jury alternate says, Brandy, how often do you shampoo? I only shampoo my hair, hair like every four to five days why did you act like that i think people might think that's kind of like i don't think it's a sexy secret i think it kind of sounds like a gross secret but my hair's really trained yeah explain what you mean how do you train your dragon you train okay so the less you wash your hair the the less oil your hair produces, the longer you can go without shampooing your hair. So, yeah, my hair is very used to going four to five days without being shampooed. My oil production is pretty minimal.

I only have to use dry shampoo typically on like the third or fourth day. And fun fact, this also works for your butthole. I have trained my butthole to. No, you've got to watch your body. You've got to watch your body in between. It sounds like you're not training your body. Okay, Winston the Corgi. I don't like the tone of this question.

Do you use or have a favorite micellar water? This may be primarily for Kristen because we know Brandy doesn't have a 37-step skin routine like some of us. Yeah, she has no steps. I do use micellar water, though. Yeah. I do. It gets my eyeliner off in the morning after I've slept with it on. I like the Garnier waterproof one.

Okay. Just one swipe takes it right off. Do you wear waterproof mascara? No. Okay. I do wear waterproof eyeliner, but not waterproof mascara. See, in the summertime, when the weather is... Summer, summer, summertime.

How did we both start launching into different summer socks? Anyway, this is not interesting at all. Bottom line is my waterproof mascara is working overtime. So, Brandy, what is your skincare routine? You seem defended, so you obviously must have quite the routine. Tell us how it goes. So in the morning when I wake up before I put on my makeup But you already have on your

makeup. I take off yesterday's makeup with either a cotton round soaked in micellar water or a Neutrogena skin wipe. face wipe. Skin wipe sounds grumbly.

That's what I call toilet paper. Norm, we're out of skin wipes. And then I put on Neutrogena Hydro Boost moisturizer. And that's the whole routine. And how long until you put on a new layer of makeup? The, what? Like right after that, usually. So you're, oh, God.

Everyone, it's a good thing we're not on video. People would riot if they saw how beautiful your skin is and they heard that that's your routine. I wipe her down. Yeah. Hose her off. Slap on some moisturizer and then the makeup goes right back on. Yeah. Most days.

Oh, you mix it up, do you? Some days I don't put the makeup on. Which days? If I don't have to do anything. Not if I have to go to work. If I'm going to work, full face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. But I'm going to work, full face. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. All right. But I have moved away from doing like a real foundation. I just do like a tinted moisturizer. Oh. Oh. Okay. Yeah.

Everyone, you never know what you're getting with this lady. That's right. She's wearing navy blue today. I am wearing navy blue. She is changing. We got to do Supreme Court deductions. We got a fucking Zoom call to get on. Oh, shit. What are we doing? I don't know.. She is changing. We got to do Supreme Court inductions. We got a fucking Zoom call to get on. Oh, shit.

What are we doing? I don't know. I was enjoying it. I was, too. Oh, God. Oh, shit. I'm not even on the right page. I am.

I'm DJing all the way to the bottom. Everyone, to get inducted on this podcast, you sign up at the $7 level or higher on Patreon. We are still reading your names and favorite cookies until the $7 level or higher on Patreon. We are still reading your names and favorite cookies until the end of time. People have made suggestions for other topics. To that, Kristen says, fuck off. I don't.

It's just that I'm lazy and I like cookies. Karen Creasy. Snickerdoodle. Lizzie J. Homemade chocolate chip. Taylor B. Soft sugar cookies with extra frosting.

Carly Ventry. Chocolate chip with flaky salt. Dawn Barnhart. Chocolate chip. Cammie Higley. Sugar cookie with peppermint frosting. Oh, that sounds good. Steve Lunny.

Slightly charred chocolate chip. I don't know. I don't know, Steve. I don't like overcooked cookies, Steve. I like an undercooked cookie. Steve's like, I thought you asked for my favorite. Katie Swar. Salted caramel chocolate chip.

Brittany Cannon. Goody Girl. Gluten-free thin mint knockoffs. Oh, yeah. We learned what these Goody Girls are. They're the gluten-free cookies. They're not an international version of Girl Scout cookies, as I assumed. Nicole McCarl.

Any homemade cookie that is full of butter. Samantha Chandler. Oatmeal raisin. Nikki Rout. No baked cookies for Ms. Rout. Ellie Wilkin. Crunchy. Homemade chocolate chip.

Why are they crunchy? Is that because Steve overcooked them? Slightly charred, yeah, because Steve overcooked them. And Ellie's like, hey, Steve. Tammy Thornlow. Tim Tams. Biting opposite corners off and sucking coffee through them. Okay, that sounds like a good way to go.

Don Clement. M&M cookies. Kelly T. Panera's kitchen sink cookie. Ananda. A really soft and buttery chocolate chip. Ooh, Ashley. Crumbles Fruity Pebbles cookie.

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I didn't know you really had a Turbo Speed. I did. I think I did that pretty good. And now for a note about our process. Wait. What? Podcast adjourned. Podcast adjourned. Podcast adjourned!

How ironic that now we've taken more time. And now for a note about our process. I read a bunch of stuff, then regurgitate it all back up in my very limited vocabulary. And I copy and paste from the best sources on the web and sometimes Wikipedia. So we owe a huge thank you to the real experts. I got my info from an episode of How I Built This titled Dippin' Dots, colon, Kurt Jones. The article Is Dippin' Dots Still the Ice Cream of the Future? by Kay Annabelle Smith for Smithsonian Magazine. It's a knockoff of Smithsonian.

Smithsonian's Magazine. And newspapers.com. I got my info from articles for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Fox 2 Now, Spectrum News, and CBS News. For a full list of our sources, visit lgtcpodcast.com. Any errors are, of course, ours, but please don't take our word for it. Go read their stuff.