Let's Not Meet: A True Horror Podcast - 2x20: Tales from the Bottom Part 2 - Let's Not Meet

Episode Date: October 25, 2019

Part 2 of 3 of Tales from the Bottom by Injunwerks. A collection of stories from Kenefick, Texas leading up to the final conclusion featuring untold stories by the author in next week's season finale.... Follow Let's Not Meet: Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/433173970399259/  Twitter - https://twitter.com/letsnotmeetcast  Website - http://letsnotmeetpodcast.com  Patreon - http://patreon.com/letsnotmeetpodcast  Twitch - https://www.twitch.tv/crypticcounty    

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wake up your taste buds with Java Jolt, the newest pint-sized flavor from Bluebell. This delicious coffee ice cream blends dark chocolate flavored chunks and a coffee-fudge swirl. It's the Jolt you need to make it through your day. So skip the coffee and grab a pint of Bluebell Java Jolt. Look for Bluebell ice cream at your favorite grocer if you can't find it, ask for it. My name is Andrew Tate and this is season two episode 20 of Let's Not Meet, the True Horror Podcast. It's a bit out of the ordinary for me to release an episode in the middle of the week for Let's Not Meet.
Starting point is 00:01:07 But there are a lot of new listeners recently and I need to get everyone caught up on Tales From the Bottom before we get to the Halloween season finale special episode of Let's Not Meet this weekend and Tales From the Bottom Part 3 to brand new stories from Reddit user engine works. Now, if you are new to the podcast, I recommend going back one more episode and listening to Tails from the bottom part one. Cause today I'm telling part two,
Starting point is 00:01:34 and these both aired together a couple of years ago during the first run of Let's Not Meet. Those are no longer available to stream on iTunes or any podcast platform, so this is the best way for me to bring it back to you. And the same morning is last week. These recordings are a couple of years old, so they're going to be a bit rough. But if you made it through part one, I'm sure you'll make it through part two without cringing too awful much. So now, listen to Tales from the Bottom Part 2 by Reddit user engineworks.
Starting point is 00:02:20 I have described the bottom and my other stories and this is yet another of my experiences there. When this particular experience occurred, it was July of 1982, and I had just turned 13. As part of my birthday celebration, my parents took me in several of my friends to see Conan the Barbarian at the New Walk-In Theater in Liberty. This was quite a change from watching a movie from the bed of the truck at the drive-in. Instead of fighting off mosquitoes big enough to completely ex-signinate us and trying to be still enough, so the big aluminum speaker didn't fall off the side rail of the truck bed. We were able to sit in air-conditioning no less and enjoy our popcorn and sodas without welts and blood spatters. For several weeks after that, we all made swords out of anything that we could find and beat, slash hacked, and stabbed the crap out of anything we thought were the of being
Starting point is 00:03:11 a foe. Mostly this resulted in a bunch of decapitated weeds and flowers and a few slaughtered spiders. One of my friends got his father's machete and we spent a happy afternoon seeing which of us could chop a sapling tree down in a single hack. We almost had a fist fight over who got to use it to kill a little snake when we found it. It disappeared before we even had a chance though. Conan was the hero of the day for that summer, right up until we saw first blood just after Halloween. One day we decided we needed to build our own temple of set. We didn't have a princess filaria, of course, but we thought it'd be cool to at least have
Starting point is 00:03:52 a cave to stealthily invade. We had visions of tunnels and caverns and underground rooms filled with treasure to steal. After much arguing and discussion, we finally decided that the best location for our imaginary massacre would be at the bottom of one of those steep banks of the river by the sand bar. The following weekend, we all went out to the river bank with our various instruments of destruction. We had a regular shovel, two sharpshooter shovels, a hatchet and a pickaxe. The area we chose was at the bend in the river that was about a 10 minute walk from the
Starting point is 00:04:31 road. The level of the river was low and it left a great expanse of sandy shoreline in the bend where the sediment had built up into a sand bar that was high and dry when the river level was low. Over the years, the river had cut into the earth leaving high banks at this particular bend that were maybe 12 or 15 feet above us. It was already undercut to an extent, and we had to clean out the trash and beer cans from the previous visitors before we could start working. We spent the following week digging into the side of the bank.
Starting point is 00:05:08 We dug a hole about 10 feet deep and then began making our cavern. It was more work than we had anticipated so it went a lot slower than we actually wanted. We usually worked in 10 or 15 minute bursts and then we'd work on a squared off berm with the dirt that we'd evacuated to hide off the entrance. Before we finally got bored with the whole idea of multiple tunnels and caverns, we'd dug a tunnel about 3 feet in diameter and 10 feet deep into the bank of the river. At the end of the tunnel, we dug out an area that was more a small room than it was a cave. We made the floor as level as we could in an area that was about
Starting point is 00:05:51 10 feet on each side. The top or ceiling was probably 8 feet from the floor. We finally stopped at that height because we ran into the roots of some trees on the top of the bank, and we were tired from trying to expand it because we kept getting dirt and grit into our eyes and our mouths. We thought the end result was awesome though. We dug little alcoves into the walls and put candles into them to provide lighting. It went from our own version of the temple of set to a little clubhouse. It was really cool inside when the weather was hot outside.
Starting point is 00:06:25 It was even better when all the candles lit up the area and a horror movie-type light. If you looked up, you could see the roots hanging down. We were all pretty proud of our accomplishment. We built the berm at the tunnel entrance up to about six feet high and made the outside look like it followed the natural slope of the sand bar. The end result was that if you were to walk along the shoreline and weren't actually looking for it, you would more than likely have walked past it without even noticing it. This became our home away from home and provided us with hour upon hour of fun and entertainment. We even camped out there a few times during the summer. One weekend we found that our little Heidi Hole had been used by someone else.
Starting point is 00:07:09 When we crawled into our cave we found several beer cans and a blanket and a pair of socks. Eventually some of the older teens in the area were using it too. We spent that day discussing booby traps and other means to discourage the invaders from using our cave But we finally decided that if we did anything to protect our cave It would probably result in someone destroying it over the next few weeks We found more beer cans cigarette butts and a crushed pack of camels that was empty also a Styrofoam cooler without the lid a fris, and a keychain with three or four keys on it. We put the Styrofoam cooler upside down in the middle of the cave and left the keys sitting on it.
Starting point is 00:07:51 The next time we returned, the keys had been replaced with a Budweiser that we all took turns sampling and a new box of candles. We had a lot of adventures in the cave that summer. We were Conan in the temple, we were Rambo in the mines, and it was the castle of the crystal from the dark crystal. Then one day we all met at the cave to find that part of the ceiling had collapsed. An area about the size of a big tractor tire had fallen, leaving even more roots showing. We got an old galvanized tub that was about the size of a turkey pan and tied a piece of clothes line we'd liberated to each handle. Jerry and I would
Starting point is 00:08:33 pull the tub out and empty it after Terry and Bobby filled it inside the cave. After it was empty they would pull it back inside and fill it again. We were about halfway finished when we heard the laughter. At first we thought it was whoever was using our cave when we weren't. We were a little excited to see who it was, but then we heard the voices that went with the laughter. It was Baba Hain and his brother, Henry, also a couple of their friends. They were the bullies of our area. They were notorious for being the local tuffs. They even walked around with their elbows cocked back and their chests puffed out. They all smoked and talked with language that would have caused me to get beaten half
Starting point is 00:09:19 the death and my mouth washed out with dish detergent if I'd ever been caught using it myself. Bubba was 19 or 20 and had been in jail several times. He was mean and quick to fight, and it didn't matter if you were half his size. He terrified all of us younger kids. We debated crawling into the cave and keeping quiet until they passed by, but if they knew about the cave then we'd only be caught without anywhere to run. So we took off running in the opposite direction of the voices. We climbed at the bank and around the bend and circled back to watch from the top of the
Starting point is 00:09:55 bank, where we were safe and able to run if necessary. As we watched from our elevated vantage point, they came around the bend. Bubba and Henry were pulling a small aluminum boat through the water with a rope tied to the loop in the front. The boat had an ice chest in it and several flathead catfish laying in it among the beer cans, and they were talking about finding even more fish. Evidently, they were planning to have a big fish fry. Walking along in front of them were Gerald and Ricky, also known for being less than friendly. They were both walking
Starting point is 00:10:32 in the water about chest deep along the far side of the riverbank. They were all wearing cut-off shorts and drinking beer. Ricky would stop occasionally and feel the wall of the bank under the water. As we watched, he disappeared under the sandy water for several seconds and then surfaced again and said, nothing and they continued walking. They were talking about which girls would be at the event and who they hoped would come and who they'd like to hook up with. They were noodling for fish. Now noodling is one of those activities that can be both exciting and dangerous. The way it works is you would look for where a catfish or a natural erosion has made a hole
Starting point is 00:11:13 in the bottom of the riverbed. The person doing the noodling will stick his hand in the hole and fill around for a fish. If a catfish is there, it will think the hand is a smaller fish in there for food and try to eat it. When the catfish has your hand in its mouth, you grab it by the lower jaw or through the gills and pull it out. Obviously, any catfish with a mouth big enough to engulf your hand is a good sized catfish, ranging in size from 20 to 60 pounds on average.
Starting point is 00:11:42 The problem with doing this is occasionally you can get a fish that is actually too big to easily extract and doesn't want to let his lunch get away. It is then a fight to retrieve your hand and get your head back above the water before you drown. While they don't actually have teeth, catfish have millions of tiny little spikes on their lips and they can scratch you up pretty good. Another danger is that you encounter something other than a catfish, like a snapping turtle. If this happens, it is entirely possible to lose a finger. I'm not proud to admit that I'm too chicken to go noodling, as we watched.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Ricky went under the water again. After what seemed like two or three minutes, his hand suddenly shot up from the water and waved back and forth. Gerald immediately went under to help him and they came back up a minute later, sputtering and gasping for air. They had caught a big one, about four feet long. Henry and Bubba pulled the boat over to them
Starting point is 00:12:40 and they all wrestled the fish up to the boat with the others. They congratulated each other and toasted to their fortune with fresh beer. After a few swigs they continued on their way. Eventually they were out of sight heading toward the more populated areas of the bottom where they lived. We didn't think they'd be coming back so we jumped back down and continued our work. Bobby realized that they had walked right by our cave and didn't even notice it. And that was fine with the rest of us. About five minutes after we started working on the fallen dirt again, we heard screams
Starting point is 00:13:12 and shouts from the direction of where Bubba and his friends had gone. They weren't sounds of pain though. They were sounds of fright. We forgot about getting pounded on and ran to the sand bar toward the direction of the screams. When we saw Bubba and his friends, they were on the opposite side of the river, then before when the boat was floating downstream towards us. Terry caught the line as it passed, but he wasn't strong enough to stop it, so Jerry and I grabbed on too while Bobby waited in the water and pushed from behind us. We all figured that our helping gesture would make us immune from any bullying for at least a little while. As we walked back to them, Gerald was actually getting sick
Starting point is 00:13:57 in the sand and Ricky was wretching. Bub and Henry were both white as a bedsheet, and were walking back and forth, hugging their arms tied against their chests, as if they were freezing. They saw us coming up to them and immediately went into tough guy mode with their chests puffed out, and Elbow's caulked. For a minute I thought we'd made a mistake in thinking they'd appreciate our assistance. Bubba was the first to realize what we were doing and shouted an enthusiastic thanks and jogged in our direction. He helped us drag the boat up to Bubba and the others. We were all apprehensive and ready to take off running,
Starting point is 00:14:34 but no one seemed interested in being a bully. I looked to see who got hurt, but everyone seemed to have all their fingers and toes and there wasn't any blood anywhere, so I asked what had happened. Bubba glanced out across the river to the other side, about 60 feet away, but didn't say anything. Henry finally said that, they thought they saw a dead body. Gerald turned around wiping his mouth with the back of his hand and spit.
Starting point is 00:15:04 They ain't no thinkin' about it. I had my hand around his damn ankle, he said. I reached into that hole and felt what I thought was a tail. And pulled on it and came up with a damn sock and a shoe. We all looked at the opposite bank of the river, searching intently for any sign of blood and gourd, but we couldn't see anything. When we asked where it was, Ricky told us, that it was about five feet down at the bottom of a big catfish hole. We got to call the police, Gerald Stammerd. He kept wiping his hand on his pants. He stooped and gathered a handful of sand and
Starting point is 00:15:43 washed his hands with it. Baba told him to call the police if he wanted, but he didn't want any part of it, then looked at us. And told us to forget he was ever here. He told us not to mention his name at all. Then he and Henry turned around and began walking upstream toward where everyone lived. Gerald and Ricky looked back and forth at each other. Nobody knew what to do. Finally Ricky told Gerald to wait and he'd go call the sheriff and he ran off. We all stood there for a minute half afraid to talk. We knew about Bubba and acted accordingly, but Gerald wasn't as well known to us. We all knew who he was and had heard stories,
Starting point is 00:16:23 but none of us had ever had any direct contact with him before this. Finally, Terry asked him how it happened and who'd screamed. Gerald looked at us with some big, bulging eyes, still wiping his hands, up and down his pants. I don't think he realized what he was doing. He stared for a minute like he was waiting to see if we were going to make fun of him, but we were all half scared of him and wouldn't have dared to poke fun at him in any way. After many he told us. They were going to have a big fish fry later. They had been out in Newtland to get more fish, so they'd be sure to have enough. They were planning to get just one more before they stopped. He looked at us and held his hands at shoulder level, palms facing inward, and shook them
Starting point is 00:17:09 vigorously. Just one more, he said, shaking his hands so hard that water was sprinkled on all of us from his wet hair. He told us that he'd been walking along, filling for holes at the riverbed with his feet when he found the hole. He had gone under and felt around with his hand when he felt what he thought was the tail. He said he grabbed it really hard, ready for the fish to try and swim away when he felt
Starting point is 00:17:35 something oozing between his fingers. He told us that he braced his feet and pulled and it just came up. As he told the story, he mined all of his actions. He told us that just as it was getting close enough to the surface of the water for him to see how big it was that he noticed it was white instead of dark gray. Then he saw the sock and the shoe. That was when Ricky saw it and yelled. Ricky's sudden yell startled Gerald who thought
Starting point is 00:18:07 that the lake was alive. They both ran to the boat and told Bubba and Henry what they had seen. Bubba didn't believe him so he and Henry waited over the hole and found the body and they rushed to get away from it. They lost the boat. After a minute we came around the bend bringing the boat with us. Ricky came running back in a few minutes and announced that the sheriff was on his way. They hurriedly removed the ice chest and emptied out the cans from the boat and Ricky took everything away. After another few minutes, he came walking back with two uniformed men. The sheriff listened as the story was told again.
Starting point is 00:18:43 He took everyone's name and address and phone numbers. He went back to his car while the deputy asked Gerald and Ricky Moore questions. Was the body a male or a female? Was the body white or black? Was it an adult or a child? Are you sure it was human and not an animal? After what seemed like 10 hours to us kids, sure it was human and not an animal? After what seemed like 10 hours to us kids, but was probably less than an hour, the sheriff appeared again. He was walking with four other men who were all wearing wet suits and had scuba gear. Two of the men started taking a bunch of photos and plotted the area on a map, then took
Starting point is 00:19:20 more photos from the bank above the hole, and from where we were standing, then from the opposite bank on our side of the river. As the two men took the photos, the other two went underwater and confirmed that it was indeed a human body. Two of them went back to wherever they'd parked and returned to the table with another camera. As they returned, the sheriff told us that we should probably leave the area and stared at us until we took the hint and left.
Starting point is 00:19:46 We ran back toward the cave and climbed the bank again. This time circling the opposite direction and sneaking to the edge of the bank overlooking the scene of the excitement. The scuba divers used the second camera to take more photos underwater. They couldn't have been very good photos because the water was only neck deep and they completely disappeared in the murkiness. After they finished taking photos, they brought a table out to the edge of the water. The table was actually a large float that two of them held in place while the other two went underwater again.
Starting point is 00:20:18 I don't know exactly what I was expecting to see, but this thing that they brought up out of the river actually gave me bad dreams for a few weeks afterwards. It was evidently a man. His face was swollen and his eyes and ears were completely gone. His belly was huge. He was wearing blue shorts and only had one sock and one shoe. The thing that got me the most was his color. Gerald said he was white, but he was actually a dull gray color with darker gray and green spots, and he looked slimy. Two of his fingers were just boned. His mouth was open, and as they rolled him over onto the float, a bunch of nasty water
Starting point is 00:21:02 float out. As I watched them walk the float back over to the side of the river, I noticed more and more details. The skin covering his elbows and knees was completely gone. The part that I thought was his sock was actually skin. Evidently, when Gerald grabbed the leg and pulled on it, he separated the skin and it just slid down the ankle. And finally, the part that I remember the most, and the part that made me have all these bad dreams, was his head. No eyes, no ears, his mouth opened, and full of who knows what. His facial skin was swollen and almost comical in size, but the skin around the tip of his
Starting point is 00:21:46 chin was gone just showing bone. From watching television and reading books, I'd expected the body to be locked stiff with rigamortis, but it wasn't. His arms and legs actually flopped around as though the bones had just turned a rubber. The last thing I remember about the man's body was the sight I saw as they carried him off toward the houses. The bottom of the foot, without a shoe, wasn't wrinkled, and it was snowy white. This was the first time I had ever actually seen a dead person. Of course, I'd seen countless dead people on television and in the
Starting point is 00:22:22 movies, but I'd never seen one in real life. I don't know if it was the reason for the bad dreams or if it was because of the condition of the body. It was probably a combination of the two. I never knew who he was or how he died. I asked my mother a few days later, and after yelling at me for being down at the river, she said she'd only heard about the police finding the body. We went to the cave a week or two later to see if there was anything new left in it, but it had been completely collapsed, leaving a huge divot at the top.
Starting point is 00:22:55 One of the trees on top was still standing, but had a drunken angle. It had rained, and that was evidently enough to collapse the cave in on itself. None of us cared enough though. The gruesome discovery had killed the magic of that place for us. The following summer, that whole side of the bank was gone, including the tree. You know it, your wife knows it, your friends know it. Yep, there's no getting away from the fact that there's an outdoor kitchen shaped hole in your life. And it's time to put things right. Thankfully, bull outdoor products are ready with everything you need to create a world-class outdoor cooking space. Bull outdoor kitchens and accessories add value to your property and extra fun to your world.
Starting point is 00:24:00 If you're gonna do it, do it right. Turn a bull loose in our yard. There were probably 8 or 10 kids that would get together. The kids from the bottom and some of the other neighbors. We'd choose teams and play whatever game was popular at the moment. When we moved away in November of 1984, it was a sad time for me as I was leaving behind the only friends I'd ever known, some of whom I'd known since kindergarten. I was 15 when we moved away from Kenneth Fick and the bottom. We moved for several reasons. My father got a better job offer and another state.
Starting point is 00:24:58 My mother had attended college for kick decorating and wanted to start her own business in a bigger town and our trailer was starting to show its age. I think the most important reason my parents decided to move was the population of Kenifik and the bottom had grown. It attracted less than perfect quality of residence. In the last few years that we lived there the police were coming out more and more often. The bottom seemed to become a refuge for those who weren't on the best terms with the law enforcement community. There were more and more cars and trucks driving faster than it was safe at all hours of the
Starting point is 00:25:34 night. It was a rare weekend that we didn't see blue and red lights go whizzing past our house and hear screaming sirens. One night a helicopter landed in the field across from our house and was met by an ambulance a few minutes later. We heard later that someone had broken into a house at the bottom and had been shot. It wasn't that tight-knit little community anymore. There were more and more strange cars and strange pieces.
Starting point is 00:26:03 The summer of 1984 was eventful for me on several levels. I turned 15 in July and got my first razor amongst many other gifts. My voice had finally stopped squeaking. I grew to 5'10", and I am now 6'1". I was a cornerback on the high school football team. Dad was teaching me to work on cars by fixing up an old 73 kugert for me to have when I got my license. And I was in love with a girl who lived down the street from us. Her name was Heather and she consumed
Starting point is 00:26:34 my every thought, wish, and desire. We'd known each other since her family moved here about a year after us. And we'd ridden the bus together to school for almost nine years. She was my first crush, my first kiss, my first love, my first heartbreak, and my first everything. Heather is a year younger than I am, and we went from hating each other in elementary
Starting point is 00:26:58 school to tolerating each other in junior high. When I started high school, she was still in junior high, so we went to different schools. I can remember the first day I noticed her as something other than a skinny little black-haired girl from down the street. It was when schools started after the Christmas vacation, and she got on the bus and was wearing new glasses. Weird, I know, but those glasses seemed to magnify the prettiest green eyes I'd ever seen. She caught me staring at her as she walked by to sit with her friend and smiled at me. Braces, wow.
Starting point is 00:27:34 By the time she started high school the next year, we were a serious item. Her mother and my mother were good friends and her mother would always say something that would embarrass the crap out of me. You two will have the cutest kids, or, oh, I think I hear wedding bells. Of course she was teasing, but still. Every time we left her house to go for a walk, or to do homework, or whatever, her dad would give me this sternest look, and would say, be nice. I knew exactly what he meant.
Starting point is 00:28:04 And I was always nice, for the most part. Heather had diabetes, and it always amazed me that she got shots every single day. I mean every single solitary day. I was in awe of her bravery, and how she just shrugged it off as part of life. She broke her ankle one summer jumping from a horse that got spooked. So every afternoon I would ride the bus past my house to hers and carry her books for her and then I'd walk her home. Her mother would always invite me and to stay for dinner but I never did. About a week after she broke her ankle, we came home from school one day and there was a new trailer house and a lot next to hers. Her mom told
Starting point is 00:28:45 us that she'd met the family and that they had a boy my age and another son who was eight or nine. I met him a few days later and they started writing the school bus. Robert was actually a year younger than Heather. He was a tall gangly and clumsy type of kid who wore thick glasses and was deep into dungeons and dragons. He was quiet and kept to himself. We invited him to play football and do other stuff with us, but he was never interested. He read a lot and stayed indoors. Heather had already told me that he watched her whenever she was outside.
Starting point is 00:29:20 But whenever she waived, he acted like he didn't see her. He was an okay guy. We got along and he taught me to play dungeonsgeons and Dragons, and another game that I can't remember now. His younger brother was named Jason. Jason was an odd duck. His head was too big for his body and his teeth and ears were too big for his head. He was malty too.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Anything anyone had ever seen or done, he or someone he knew had seen it or done it better. It got so bad that we would actually make up words about things to see if he would take the bait. And he never let us down. For example, he knew all about the Chevrolet Z5612 cylinder, 6-wheeled car that was coming out the following year. He knew all about the new bullets that the army was developing that could shoot someone from around corners and go through tanks. He was also a klepto, Penn's Roller's Hot Wheels baseball cards, ball caps and anything else
Starting point is 00:30:20 that wasn't guarded was fair game. The bad thing was that whenever anyone called him on it, he'd insist that his aunt or teacher give it to him. Robert and even his mother would always validate his story. Jason was always the instigator. He would tell one kid that the other kid was talking about him just to see the reaction. Whenever we played a game he would always want to do or if things didn't go his way, and if we refused, he'd say we were cheaters and liars. It didn't take very long for Jason to become unwelcome to round us. One day, Heather caught him behind their well-housed bent over something. She asked what he was doing, but he didn't hear so she walked over to see.
Starting point is 00:31:01 He found a dead bird and was pulling the feathers and skin off of it. Heather said that she screamed and asked what he was doing. She said that he never moved. He just looked over his shoulder at her with a spooky grin and said, I want at this skull. About a month later, Heather's father caught him inside the wellhouse, putting wrenches into his pockets. He grabbed Jason by the arm and took him to his house to make him admit to his mother that he was stealing. When Jason's mother opened the door and saw her baby being held by the arm, she went crazy
Starting point is 00:31:39 and started yelling at Heather's father, telling him that he was going to get sued. As Heather was telling me all of this at her kitchen table, her dad walked by and said that Jason was a damn creepy little kid. One day a week or so later, Robert showed up at my house and asked if I'd seen Jason. He was supposed to come home for dinner and it was almost dark. I hadn't seen Jason and I relayed this to Robert. My mother heard Robert asking me about this and told him that she'd seen Jason over in the field across the road. She said that he was playing with a dog and the door of the abandoned barn about an hour
Starting point is 00:32:17 earlier. Robert and Jason miss school the next two or three days, and the next time I saw Robert on the bus, he told me that he'd found Jason in the barn with the dog. Jason had killed the dog, and was skinning it. He told me that he had blood all over him, like he'd played in it. Robert said he ran home, leaving Jason there there and told his dad about it. He and his father went back into the barn and Jason was still inside with the dead dog. Robert said his father grabbed Jason and was dragging him out of the barn when he saw all of the skulls. He told me that there were skulls of all different kinds upon a shelf. He didn't recognize a lot of them, but he did see the little bird and also mouse skulls.
Starting point is 00:33:11 He said there were a lot bigger skulls there too, probably 15 or 20. He said that they were black and brown and still had some skin left on them. Flies were everywhere and it smelled so bad. Of course, I went straight to that barn after school, that afternoon, but someone had taken it all away. It did however smell horrible in there,
Starting point is 00:33:35 and someone had spread sawdust all over the dirt floor. Robert told me that his father and mother had a huge fight the night they found Jason in the barn. Robert's father was planning to take Jason to a doctor and his mother kept insisting that it was just a little boy doing normal little boy things. Jason wasn't on the bus for about three or four weeks after that. When he did go back to school, he wasn't the same person. He didn't speak to anyone or respond when spoken to. Obviously
Starting point is 00:34:05 everyone had a million and one questions, but he just ignored them all. He just stared at the window with his mouth open and never said a word. I realize now that he must have been medicated. Eventually, the attempts to get his attention turned to ear flicks and swats on the back of his head but there was never any response. Robert made everyone leave him alone. Then one afternoon, it was raining and we were almost home when Jason started hitting himself. At first no one noticed, but then Bobby Burrows turned around and his seed and told Robert
Starting point is 00:34:42 that Jason was hitting himself in the face and that he was getting blood all over his clothes. Robert ran up and sat with Jason holding his wrist so he would stop. That was the last time I saw Jason before I moved two months later. When we moved, I called Heather as soon as I knew our new phone number. We'd already said our goodbyes but promised to keep in touch. Heather and I kept in touch through letters and cards mostly. This was before cell phones and the long distant charges cost way too much, so I was limited to an hour on the weekends. Heather
Starting point is 00:35:16 told me most of the important news through letters whenever she didn't want to be over her telling me any of the gossip that was too good or juicy. This was also how I found out that she had gone on a date with someone else. Through a letter. Heather told me about how Jason was back in school and how he'd get into a fight at least once a week. She said that he was talking now, but only when someone talked to him and that it was only a one word response.
Starting point is 00:35:46 He always had a scowl on his face and walked around with his hands clenched into fists. She said that someone visited his house on two days and Thursdays and stayed for about three hours than left. Sometimes she could hear Jason screaming at whoever it was. She told me that it was getting weirder and weirder every day, that he was up all hours of the night standing at his window and looking outside for hours. Heather told me that she thought Jason's mom was on drugs. Eventually, she'd spoken to Heather and called her Stephanie one time and Sandra the next.
Starting point is 00:36:25 Over the next few years Heather and I continued to keep in touch. She told me about her prom and even sent pictures. By this time I had met my next love and wasn't too bothered by someone else kissing on Heather. Actually, I was jealous but I never said so. I graduated high school in 1986 and sent Heather an invitation. She graduated in 1987 and sent me one to hers in return. I still have it somewhere. She also sent a wedding announcement the following year. That one hit me pretty hard, but by then I was able to genuinely be happy for her. They didn't get married, though,
Starting point is 00:37:06 and I cried with Heather over the phone when she told me about their breakup. I got engaged myself about six months later and joined the army two months after that. We still sent letters and cards several times a year. Occasionally, there would be a tidbit about Jason. He stole a bunch of stuff from other cars that were parked by our old house when the flood came one summer. Someone saw him going from car to car and called the police. He broke all the windows out of another neighbor's house while they were gone for the weekend. He got caught shooting a pellet gun at someone's horse's once. He was also accused of molesting a little girl from the bottom, but nothing ever came of that.
Starting point is 00:37:50 In December of 1990, my unit went to Saudi Arabia for a desert storm and desert shield. I sent Heather my APO address and told her how my fiancee had dumped me the previous month. She sent back a box of homemade chocolate chip cookies with a note that said not to worry that they weren't sugar free. She made me promise to be careful and told me that she was afraid for me and to promise to write as often as I could, which I did. I got a letter from her in the last part of May in 1991 that she had sent about three
Starting point is 00:38:24 weeks earlier. We were still overseas and had no clue when we get to come home again. When I opened the letter, there was also a newspaper clipping. The clipping was from a local newspaper and was a story about a 15-year-old youth who shot another neighbor in an attempted robbery and was being charged with murder. The name of the youth was withheld because of his age, but it listed the name of the woman. Valerie. At first I thought Heather sent the clipping because we both knew Valerie. She lived two houses down for me, between the house where I lived in Heathers.
Starting point is 00:39:02 She was a nice bubbly and happy woman. She had a huge, great day named Ron too, and she painted. She was one of those people who was never in a bad mood and never had a bad thing to say about anyone. She was one of those few genuinely nice people that I had ever known. She was one of those people who made the world better just by being in it.
Starting point is 00:39:25 My heart stopped for a minute when I realized that it was her who had been shot. I harbored a secret crush on Valerie when I lived there. After I read the clipping, I read Heather's letter. After she told me that she hoped I was okay and would be coming home soon, she relayed what had happened. Evidently, Jason had met some of the rougher elements who lived in the bottom and started using drugs. He'd been in some more trouble here and there, and it got worse after his mother left
Starting point is 00:39:54 earlier that year. Robert got married and moved to another town. He visited one night and he and Jason got into a huge fight. Heather was able to hear everything because it was a cool night and she'd open the windows for some fresh air. Her parents were gone somewhere in the air conditioner, which was a window unit was too loud. She told me that one of them got pushed into the window and broke it. She said that Jason was screaming so loud that his voice would crack, and after about 15 minutes, it got quiet, then Robert left.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Heather said that she could hear Jason crying and ranting and screaming to himself. Then she saw him walking in the front yard of her house toward Valerie's place. Valerie's husband worked at a grocery store called Brookshire Brothers in Dayton during the day and went to college at night. He was also in the National Garden and was gone one weekend a month and two weeks during the summer. Instead of getting up early on Saturday morning and driving to wherever he went for his National Guard Weekends, he would leave on Friday night.
Starting point is 00:40:59 Whenever he was gone, Valerie's niece would stay with her. Jason was in love with her niece. I can't remember her name and I never knew her when I lived there. Heather told me that she didn't give in much thought because she was trying to concentrate on her books. But then, she heard shouting and saw Jason storming back to his house. She just assumed that Valerie didn't want him at her house. Especially if he was high on something.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Heather, who was a junior in college at this time, was studying and forgot all about it until she heard somebody shouting again from Valerie's place about half an hour later. She said that she could hear crying too. She could also hear Jason shouting. She turned off her desk lamp so that she could see outside the window better when she looked. The front door of Valerie's house was standing open. Heather said that she was just getting ready to call the police when she heard the shot. And saw Jason run out the door and head back to his own house.
Starting point is 00:42:02 Heather said it scared her so bad that she couldn't move. She sat in the dark watching and listening, but afraid to draw attention to herself by moving or making any noise. Heather said that he was home for about 15 minutes and then got into his car and left. When he was at a site, she ran over to Valerie's house. Mr. Vita, who lived between Heather and Valerie, was also there and was calling
Starting point is 00:42:26 the police. Valerie's niece was sitting out on the sofa with her legs pulled up to her chest, hugging her niece. She was crying hysterically. Mr. Vitah wouldn't let Heather go into the bedroom. Heather said that he told her in a voice that was much older than it should have been, to keep the door closed, that she didn't want to see anything in there. Then he told her to take care of the little girl. They waited until the authorities arrived. Heather went on to tell me that according to the niece's statement, Jason asked if he could sit and talk for a few minutes, but Valerie didn't think it was a good idea. The niece said that his nose and lip were bleeding and that he had cuts or scratches on one
Starting point is 00:43:10 arm and that they were bleeding. Valerie asked him to leave, and when he didn't, she got up to call the police, and that's when he started shouting and left. The girl said that it was about 20 minutes later, something hit the side of the house, and Rontu started barking. When Valerie opened the door to see what had happened, a man in a black ski mask forced her back inside with a pistol in the face. He made her lock Rontu in the bathroom and threatened to shoot him if she didn't do
Starting point is 00:43:40 as he asked. When he talked, the niece recognized his voice and recognized the cuts on his arm. After the dog was in the bathroom, he made them go into the bedroom and lay face down on the bed. He wanted to know if they had any money and they told him that there was money in their purses. The niece said he was silent for a minute and then she heard the gunshot and felt the bed jerk Then she heard Jason run out of the house The police found Jason a few hours later at a friend's house where he was arrested
Starting point is 00:44:15 Jason was later tried as an adult and sent to prison I don't remember the length of the sentence as far as I know he's still incarcerated I remember him being a little weird kid. I can remember talking about him to some of my new friends after I had moved and telling them that he was the type of kid that would grow up to be a terrorist or lead a cult. I guess I had him pegged from the start. If you're wondering about Heather and I, we eventually got married, but not to each other. She married a man that she had met her senior year of college and
Starting point is 00:44:50 they moved to Texas with two girls now. I married a woman from Argentina and have been happy ever since. It's funny how sometimes life works out for the best in spite of some very bad times. Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Let's Not Meet, a True Horror Podcast. You can submit your stories to be heard on the podcast by emailing Let's Not Meet Stories at gmail.com. And if you'd like to support the show, head over to patreon.com forward slash let's not meet podcast, to sport it and gain access to all of the bonus episodes I do bi-weekly bonus episodes, as well as single shot stories
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