Lex Fridman Podcast - #332 – Kanye ‘Ye’ West Interview

Episode Date: October 25, 2022

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I got a chance to try out some of the things he's working on, sort of early ideas, middle ideas, and it's cool to just explore the way he thinks about design, how detail oriented he is, how you can spend minutes, if not hours, on a very specific detail. And even with people like me who are not deeply knowledgeable about fashion, at least like behind the scenes of fashion, he's still able to make it clear to me and have a brainstorm with me and just talk. I mean, the creative fire is there no matter what he's

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give me their perspectives on it. You want to do this? We are doing it. This is part of it. This is part of it? Absolutely. All right, beautiful. I want to finish the thing is, okay, you're going to ask me different questions, but I'm about growing and building and bringing the idea to life.

So when I see you, I say, oh, this guy understands how to hire engineers, where I'm coming from Hollywood, coming from press, coming from media, all of the guys, so many of the guys that have been like voices and faces and talking heads, whatever, have not understood how to engineer product. And that's the reason why I was able to jump past everyone in the entertainment field and become, you know, whatever the net worth is, the 11 billion. I'm gonna stop putting the whole black thing on my worth.

Like, let's just see where I am on the scale of life because that's a cop out for me to say Rich's Black guy of all time because that's feeding into the same, you know, trauma economy that Black Lives Matter feeds into. That's why I love and respect engineers. That's the only thing that we really need to teach in school is engineering. We don't need to teach history, we don't need to teach anything that is subjective.

It needs to only be engineering taught in school and everything else needs to be recess. Nothing at all. Any force subjective information is just to weaken and indoctrinate our species. And that's what schools do now. As an engineer, I love here. You say that, but to push back history is not the interpretation of history might be subjective, but history has some facts

and they're useful to give a grounding to the way you do engineering. I don't 100% believe in anything, any concept of the future or any concept of history, because history was just written by the victors. Yeah. So, if I see stuff happen on the day that later that day is reported wrong. So, how wrong is something reported a thousand years ago? If I see stuff happen on the day that later that day is reported wrong. So how wrong is something reported a thousand years ago? And why will we argue about something that's not in the now?

Because that's the only thing that everyone can agree upon is that it is now right now. Yeah, you try not to make the mistakes of the past. That's the usefulness of history, the limited usefulness of history. The biggest mistake from the past that we keep making is looking at the past too much, giving too much value to the past. Too much value to the past, we are now. We are now, we are here, we are one species,

we are one race, we're here, and the leadership is changing because you have Elon as a leader, yay, as a leader. And we are the top leaders. We're more influential than the presidents. So you're a human being with engineering challenges before you, with a stunt player, with parlor. What's the hardest thing in front of you on the engineering front?

That's the first sentence that any of our species needs to hear when they're born. You are a human being when engineering challenges, and I consider challenges to be opportunities in front of you. Literally, like, let me see a piece of it, I need to write that down. That's the beginning of our new species constitution. I'm going to do the paper like this Y. I'm putting in widescreen. This this for Ridley. You are not a me like you are are a being with in jie nearing opportunities or challenges opportunities.

I'm sorry, I don't spell as a good as John Legend opportunities and Before you I Like the before because it can mean actually can mean forward or before you. This right here, I've always said I'm the top five writer in human existence, but this right here is pushing me to number four, number three. It's a good one.

Because who would you say is the top? It's top writer in human existence, and we know who it is. That's subjective. Who's that? It's factual, though. It's like, okay, who's the top person in tech history? It's not subjective. Wow. There's a non-subjective answer to both of those. Both of those people have influence 30% of our existence. So the influences them is the main metric of greatness. Okay, one person,

30% of our language was, the English language was written by them. The other person, 30% of the products we use was led by them. So the sound of our language room, Oh, Shakespeare. And then the product product product, but but Steve Jobs. Yeah. You put Steve above like Elon's of the world, because Steve is a designer, not, he's a designer engineer, but he's a designer, he's a visionary in the design space.

Well, I would lean to him, because I'm not an engineer, right? So I'm more like, then you're an engineer. If Steve is an engineer, you're an engineer, essentially. He's a cultural engineer, like the people who run the emotions of the world and run the world off of people's emotions right now are Social engineers and social engineering is so important like like

City design. There's a fancier word for that but I was I was an oxenered last night to see Anthony Jesselnick and And I gotta find out what his opening joke was because I'm doing interviews and I'm thinking I'm funny. And I like that he said, he's just kept on saying 20 year in a verse, I've been doing this for 20 years. And his opening joke was so high level,

I realized that I wasn't funny. I realized that this dude is a professional at what he does. And so many things are subjective. I always talk about this. It's like, you know, and people are arguing that like it's Emily Radikowski, the hottest, you know, person. And I'm like, that's such a subjective thing. But like if you go and shoot three pointers with Steph Curry, it's not subjective, right? Or if you go and compare bank accounts with Elon, it's not subjective. And another thing that's not subjective, porn.

What about it? Dick's eyes, it's not subjective. You can measure. But porn is more about more than just dick size and greatness is more than the size of the bank account, right? So there's a subjective. But greatness is subjective, though. Right. So do you care about the stuff that's objective or subjective more?

Because greatness to me is what matters. The bank account comes and goes. The impact on our society, like you said, social engineering, the impact on the collective intelligence of our species, that what permeates throughout the rest of the time. I like what you said, the impact, I'm taking notes. How did you say the impact on the collective intelligence of our species impact on the collective

and When yay is writing down the words that came out of my dumb mouth. I have made it in life that came out of my dumb mouth, I've made it in life. There's a lot of people that have kind of like, sit through, sat through, I wanted to wear a different color hoodie because I was just tired of saying this hoodie and all the interviews. And there's a lot of kids that are with me, they see what I'm saying. And they had to sit through all of the muck of all the previous interviews to get to this

every interview has been just an emotional It's just like been a argument up to this point. This is the first of This is the next frontier of where our species is going ahead. It starts here. It starts with you, Lex.

So this is the first time I heard you say the word engineering at least so many times, which I love hearing. So this is where you're at. You're like that newborn. You're a being with engineering opportunities. Yeah. And we're all a newborn because because in Christianity we say born again. We're all newborns.

And everyone can, everyone shall, like the word can. Shall, the only thing about shall is like, it kind of dictates and can kind of let people off the hook. So I haven't found the perfect post Shakespeare and post Steve Jobs and post Elon and post yay and post Drake way to communicate this. But we update and we do and what the current media structure.

No, it's not actually nothing else. There's nothing actually holding us back because I'm still alive. I'm still alive. Like they could have killed me at, you know, George Wistow care about black people. They could have killed me at Beyoncé had the best video, but we're here now. So we just keep on leaning and leaning and leaning and there's these things where I just think about, you know, there'll be times when I'm at war. And every now and then, when the bomb stop going off and all the headlines and the smearing and all that stop going off, I think about my family and I'll think about Kim and I'll think about how, you know, King Cooper has her in the castle right now.

And just on Mario Brothers, you know how it is, is just you go for the princess and you get to this level. And it's like, Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. I'm like, I sung the song wrong, right? And then they take the princess again. Which one are you, Mario? Yeah.

What's your favorite thing? The thing you love the most about Kim, from a Mario perspective and the princess? Looking back. Was there a moment? She's definitely my favorite of all time. Yeah. Was there a moment that catches you off guard and you say I love this human being

Yeah, I mean It's just The the DNA is like she's a mix of Rob and Chris Can you explain I mean that's like a really high pool right there. Those are like two geniuses. So okay, so like the entire history of evolution of the human species created this DNA, that created this being. There's a life there. There's a set of memories in the history that brought you together and you're like, damn. I like this DNA.

Yeah. And certain people have just like high DNA, Ivanka Trump has high DNA. You know, it's like, how's your DNA? Pretty good. I think we've seen that. It's been proven. I mean, but look at my look at my mom and look at my dad. You know, me and my dad have a water purification center

in the DR right now. And my dad is the original Steve Jobs. And he was blocked by people around him and people were using him and taking advantage. And, you advantage and not believing in his vision. He's my dad's to educated version of yay. What'd you learn about life from your dad? And my dad got girls too. But those are the small details. That's a big detail being that I found my dad's playboy when I was five years old. It greatly affected my motivation. Yeah.

Oh, so that's part of the engine that drives the A. Absolutely. I remember when Ferrell was first in all the videos and my girl was like, girl's like Ferrell. And I was like, I want girls that like me too. Funny that that's behind all the ambition, all the drive. What's how we make people, how people are made.

It's the desire to be loved. Is that at the individual level, just being noticed and also at the societal level of scale. Well, now I've, I've gone past, I'm like at that place where Nikolai Tesla was later into his career where it wasn't about being loved, it wasn't about sitting at the dinner parties next to Anna Winter and so it was about getting the idea across. So I have these cells that are very, and I just keep on saying it really Scott, but really Scott has a special anointing. It isn't just sci-fi what he's doing.

There's something in there just like George Lucas. There's something different that's there. So we draw. I'm drawing these new living cells that we will exist in. And this is over. Okay, let's do like. I don't like talking about money because like man made money up anyway is like four quadrillion respected dollars and then you have other forms of currency of course social currency is super important right now but this is a drawing and it's at a pretty good place now this

be 40,000 square feet I I wanna start just talking in meters. I just think we should go to anything to restore the tower of basil, like they said when the, I'm just draw a person here for scale. Yeah, that would help. Okay. What do you think of that? Look at my person, see the scale in this room?

All right. So wait, the dot is the person. Yeah. I'm saying it's 40,000 square feet. But that would be like, what is the other parts of the cell? Okay. So what it's a screen, it doesn't go all the way to the top. And it's one hole for light, but the water and the light and air all come in from the top. So that's like, like the mouth.

And then this is the belly button. Where God's iPhone, where is greatest creation? This is all connected. These are all connected. Yeah, some drawing how these other cells go next each other. What's the vision here? Happiness. Then we talk about like What's the vision here? Happiness? Then we talk about like, what's the motivation?

Like yeah, there's a motivation somewhere in the back of my mind of my family. And if it's like where Moses smithed the rock and God didn't allow him to get to the promised land. Because the promised land is family. That is the problem. That is earth. I mean, that is heaven or earth is family.

Family is heaven. That's the promise land. And for your family to be together. So say I smite the rock and God doesn't let me have my family back. My mission in life is still to promote families at all costs and make families existence easier. So you take this thing, you put localized, localized farm, safe and sound community, that we do localized growing and then we partner with big farm

and all and say, hey, you're actually going to make more money by making better food. Because at the end of the day, you want money right now. It's like everyone knows that between the pesticides and between the medical industry and especially America that we're keeping people sick. And we know that McDonald's makes food that kills people and you know Coca-Cola selling, you know sugar water and all this like just in case I haven't pissed off enough people in power. Yeah, okay, so you're gonna piss off the sugar Anybody that's powered on sugar sugar. Well sugar. What's the health was actually a document

Documentary own sugar. It wasn't about how bad meat was it was like a reverse documentary on sugar. It wasn't about how bad meat was. It was like a reverse documentary on sugar. A refer, I don't know if you call it a reverse, like a sub, but if you watch it again, when they show sugar and it's just sugar looks super clean. Yeah, just like that. As I state these things, I know that, I know I have protection.

I have God's protection. That's why I'm here to this state. It's for me to have this platform and express exactly what I feel because it's kids out there. It's kids that are going to save the world through engineering and through facts. And I've got to get download as much of the information and as much of the, don't be afraid to state your facts. Is the biggest thing because the world is being rammed by fear.

And that is, no, actually God runs the world, but this is like little cloud, this patina of our ego that deals with the money and the car and the girl we're dating and all this in the clothes you wear and spending too much on clothes and a lot of stuff that I've been involved with, promoting, saying, I want, I'm promoting is you have the idea you say it out loud,

like if you had Tourette's, say your truth out loud. If you hate, yeah, you hate me, say that out loud, say whatever you feel out loud if you hate yay you hate me say that out loud say whatever you feel Out loud like you said Non-violently, you know non-violent non-violent have to say that like as you know, you know as a shout out to Alex Jones You know and Trump where they try to say that when they say their truths out loud that it's inciting right. And so let's be like really clear. I'm saying that they have criminalized free thought. The, you know, they, I hate people use day like they gets the blame for everything, right? It's always day. Yeah. Oh, the who the fuck is that exactly? I promise days us. Yeah. well I love that. What we need to do is turn I to we. So we take the responsibility

and turn they to us. So we take accountability to us. They to we and they to us. And that relates, it's a language at the same time. You're seeing the language of our surroundings. You're seeing the language of, I wanna, one of the things, okay, let's go back to the sale explanation because I'm also doing it. What's that thing when Elon just put all the information in the open and people could figure out, they could figure it out and open source.

Yeah, open source. So I'll come open sourcing this idea right now so that that you know Engineers and anointed people Beings anointed beings can collectively contribute to this to push our species for it So Where I've got to with my research is that there will be a hole at the top that allows natural light, natural air, and there's a constant water system, so it becomes like a water city, where it's a constant flow that's not, it's, it's regenerative, it's not wasting the water, and it's just a constant flow. So I

put the toilet really close to where this, I don't wanna call it a wave pool, but in the pool the water is not still. So that exists in water. It's wrong about water. Well the living room is, you have two rooms, you have the dry room, which people would call the living room before, and then you have the wet room.

How is that a source of happiness? What is broken about our world today that that gives you in terms of the pursuit of happiness, which is one of the things, all of our previous declaration of it. All of our buildings are based on just the industry and the economy. And then people lean into what people are used to seeing. Like what we think is attractive cause then you go back to the women who give life. So everyone wants to be attractive to the attractive. And that's the reason why the media goes and gets, you know,

Bella Hadid, Kim Kardashian, Emily Radikowski. Those are the only ones I'm gonna, uh, this more, there's more, but I'm, I'm thinking of ones that I think are attractive. It is subjective. Yeah, because it's subjective. So to my subjective, which I think, I think, uh, the only guys that can argue with me on, um, on my opinion on girls would be Brad and Leo because we're the only ones with the track record, you know, everything else.

So for everybody else's subjective, we've got history. So are you, are you, are you happy? Absolutely. I'm just here. It's actually, it's difficult to make me unhappy. Actually, it's difficult to make me unhappy. Now I could deal with frustrations, but when those frustrations are, it's like,

when you've allowed people to be in your life that shouldn't be there, and then they do the thing you knew they were gonna do and you're screaming at them, but you really need to scream at yourself. Yeah, so you realize anything that's like anger, frustration, that's something that's wrong with you that needs to be dealt with.

Yes, like right now, okay, say, I got this pattern cutter that I wanted to remove because I felt like she was copying our patterns into the computer and I didn't know why she wanted to do that and I just wanted to do the patterns by hand. And then, you know, you mean like automating the patterns. And my head of it, because they just, that's the whole thing. It's like, it's a war of human beings in robots. Yeah, but that makes it more efficient, right? You don't like the efficiency. You like the creativity of the singular nature of the pattern. I believe that the human beings, and I'm saying this to you as a person who makes robots and a person is friends with you. I'm deeply offended right now.

Yeah, well, yeah, I'll let it go. Okay. So yeah, I believe that the... Yeah, he hates robots. I'm not gonna put that out. It's a joke. Robots have feelings too. Yeah, yeah. That's right. That was also a joke.

We need to clarify that. Future robots. But the pattern cutter, the pattern cutter, you don't like that. You have to be that you can't have that party life. That's not what I'm, I'm my, everything that I'm doing is for the sake of the human race. There's things in capitalism, there's things in technology will tech technology and

original human species can exist in a peaceful way. As long as the people that know how to make robots aren't using their robots to control the humans. Lex, definitely something you have to be concerned about as we become more technological savvy. That my friend is why engineering isn't everything that you have to desperately study the lessons of history in Nazi Germany. Science was used to create atrocities. Engineering the same.

Engineering could be a tool of war. We are still in the Holocaust. A Jewish friend of mine said, go visit the Holocaust Museum. And my response was, let's visit our Holocaust Museum Planned Parenthood. With all due respect, I grew up in the Soviet Union. I'm Jewish. Parts of my family perished in the Holocaust of Nazi Germany. I have to push back that there is a difference of the atrocities at that scale at that time

on an entire people. I was going to say the number, that's the difference. It's not the number. Because 6 million will also African Americans are actually Jew also, the lost tribe of Israel's back in that too. Okay, so everyone came from Africa. I am African. I'm basically African-American.

We're brothers. And we're both Jew. And we're brothers. So we're human. Six million people died in the Holocaust. Over 20 million have died by the hands of abortion. And the media promotes the my body, my choice, which is actually still a promotion for plan parenthood.

50% of black deaths a year is actually abortion. It's not the cop with the knee. It's not black on black violence and gang violence. Not heart attacks. It's actually abortion. The most dangerous place for a black person in America is in their mother's stomach. This 900 to a million abortions in the United States a year, I hear you. But there's something about the rape, the torture, the murder of children,

women, men, the complete humaniation, and just the suffering that was endured during World War II. That's what we deal with on our TVs. Right now with Black people, a surro's would use Black trauma economy for to win an election. When I love it's having a healthy conversation, and as opposed to, there's certain things, you know, boom,

this drops, people are going to have pussy hats on. Boom, this drops, it's going to be, you know, black people and white people with signs. Boom, this drops. So, hey, China, hey, left agenda, hey, what we're going to do is say that our species can have a healthy conversation. Do you, it's...

Can I just linger on this? Because when you say Jewish media, it, there's a echo of a pain that people feel that reminds you. You say it is redundant, right? No, I'm not saying it's redundant. I'm saying you're saying it's redundant. It's a redundant thing. It's something that you're, I'm saying that it's something that Joseph

Gerbels the propaganda minister of Nazi Germany said. I'm saying it's been said so many times in order to murder and torture Jewish people that it just rings wrong. And that's just like the n word when spoken by people that have the same skin colors me. It reminds people of a very dark time. I know if Jewish people would accept that I'm Jew, then they would see when I'm saying in a different way, they would hear it in a different way. But see the people you saying your Jewish, that no, I'm Jew, not Jewish. Jewish means like that of a Jew. I'm saying I'm Jew, your Jew, blood of Christ, that comes from. Right. But that, are you, are you a follower of the philosophy of the black Hebrew Israelites?

Because that's where the idea comes from. Not all of those folks are extremists, but some are extremists. I'm a follower of the idea. I have a vague idea that all people came from Africa. But what I wanted to do, not, okay. Now I can Andy Kaufman this about seven more minutes and then tell you what it is, what I put on the whole one is.

Let's count seven minutes. No, I did this to do a spoiler alert. Sure, spoiler. What's the first thing I said at the beginning? We're talking about engineering and humans. We're always doing it. And I said, and then what did I say we shouldn't focus on? Race.

Not just that. I said they shouldn't focus on race not just that I said they shouldn't teach this in school History the history because what they do what schools are doing is exactly what the CIA does With Pixar films and Disney films They make bambi's mom die in the beginning, right? And off that pain comes a purchase of ice cream. Off that pain comes, I need some more toys. Off that pain comes, I need a bigger house. Off that pain comes, I need more girls than my wife. Off that pain comes, so they put that pain in to make us,

now we're the orphans of capitalism, to make us be consumers, and we need to be a community, not just consumers. So I could have went another seven minutes by being a person who presents himself in a way that says, well, I don't have to feel your pain because I also have pain too, that's not being recognized. And in every interview, when I say,

well, why do I get to the point of putting up the tweet, no one wants to understand why I got to that point. Right? Pain, you had pain. Yeah, but no one. Pain in your heart. But let's say this, undoubtedly, Jewish people have a lot of movies about that pain

and black people have a lot of movies about that pain and black people have a lot of movies about the pain of slavery, right? It's almost impossible to find a movie about Mansa Munsa. When you go to the African History Museum in Washington, DC, it doesn't start with the idea of Africans being kings. It starts with the idea of Africans being slaves. But here's another interesting point about this. This was said to me one time and it stuck with me as a family member of mine. With Africans, how many times you've heard like a rapper you know, talk about we were kings. That's incorrect if we're Jew. If we're Jew and since we are, we weren't the kings. We were the slaves that Moses freed. Africans have always said, we've heard, you've listened to rap music and hear black people say we kings, we blood of the pharaohs and if we are Jew then we weren't. We were the people that mose is freed and when we talk about have you heard black people talk about 400 years of slavery? All right that is in rep and we're having this history lesson, right?

And a history doesn't matter. You're exploring ancient history and drawing deep wisdom from it. And at the same time saying we need to forget all of it. We need to put that behind us. Absolutely. We need to forget it and we need to move forward. There is so much wisdom to draw from history. Even the 20th century, look at this communism. Without the lessons of history of the 20th century, communism

sounds like a great idea, except that some of the worst atrocities conducted by Stalin and Mao that by Stalin and Mao that killed 50 hundred plus million people, not just killed tortured starvation, where people, the cannibalism, they ate each other, they ate their children. There's just dark people, people should read some books on this on the hall and a more in 1930s. But I disagree with that. With that lesson, we would, and now it's becoming more popular, more communism and communism. I'm not disagreeing that that happened.

I'm disagreeing that we need to harp on the things that happen because the truth is, I'm given a fact, 50% today of, let's say, you don't call Black people day of, let's say you don't call black people Jew, right? Black people's death today is a portion today right now. Like that, it's not racism. That's too wide of a term. It's genocide and population control that black people are in today in America

that is promoted by the music and the media that black people make that Jewish record labels get paid off of or media companies, record labels media company also so let's give it a wider, you know, I agree with Martin Luther King. I have a dream too. Martin Luther King. That one day, you would not be judged by the color of your skin or your race, black or Jew, but by the content of your character, all the assholes that fucked you over in the music industry, fuck artists over in the music industry are individuals. They're not Jews. Can you say they are Jewish?

It doesn't, they're human with opportunities. And they took those opportunities. I don't care if they're Jewish. Do you feel like you actually release that pain and separate it? Yes. Okay, so if that, okay. So if you're saying I should release that pain and separate it, then I'm telling you, you should release your pain and separate it.

And we could get to this, the list of how you are being with engineering opportunities. That's 100%. I see what you're doing. That exactly you're doing. The pain I'm going to let it go. Engineering challenges. I get it. One of the problems you highlight is people get fucked over in the music industry and get fucked over in the media, get fucked over all over the place.

They created, there was a Jewish trainer that brought me to the hospital and put in press that I went to the hospital. I got, I don't friends, off of exhaustion, a Jewish doctor, they diagnosed me. I know it's saying Jewish. Because they were, right?

Diagnose me with bipolar disorder and shot me with medication and put me on medication. Then put it in the press. And every time, even if I wore the wrong color hat that a nigger is not supposed to wear, right? Then they immediately say he's off of his shit, he's off his meds, he's off his rocker, and it's literally used as a scarlet letter control mechanism for the people understand the

kids, the colleges, the high schools, what do you think they put me right now? They put me as the prophet, not the leader. It doesn't have to be the leader, right? Because we need more intelligent person to be the leader, but at least, right? They put me as the prophet. They put me as the only person that would say this. And I'm just saying that was four Jewish members that controlled my voice because for the fact that 90% of black people

and entertainment from sports to music to acting are in some way tied into Jewish business people. Meaning that in some way, just like if if Ram is sitting next to Obama or Jared sitting next to Trump, there's a Jewish person right there controlling the country, the Jewish controlling that who gets the best video or not, controlling what the media says about me. It's a person, not Jewish. Let me just say what they are though. That's the only thing. It just what happens that they are. It just happens. You say that doesn't mean that I hate them. That just means that they are.

But it's a dog whistle too. Let me just say, as I would love to add more love to the world, I would love you to do that as a person with a big voice or the big powerful voice that a lot of people look up to. And when you say Jewish media, it's funny how this world works that way. When you say Jewish media or Jews are controlling the voice of black artists, black people, black artists, when you say that, I'm not allowed to say it out loud. You can say it. There's a large number of people that are hurting and have anger and even have hate in their heart when they hear Jewish media They start that hate starts being directed towards the Jewish people

Do you acknowledge that that's do you understand? You can you feel the hate in the world? That's when that That comes to the surface when you say stuff like that. Okay I feel that when we go into therapy my dad was a therapist and obviously I've got some therapy skills myself a lot of people my music is healing these type of spa-like existences or healing, the color palettes I use are healing, and we can use healing words, right?

What I really feel, there, I feel that there is no accountability and no responsibility on Jewish people in media to at least start with owning up with the facts of what's dealt with and tell me if I say the facts out loud, to the point of Ari Emmanuel writing a letter in the financial times trying to take food out of my children's mouth, telling people that they're not allowed to work with me, even Chris Acomo or Pierce Morgan getting me to apologize and separate

Jewish business people to from the families of the Jewish business people, which I did update. I did that, that already happened. And the one. That was a shitty apology, that wasn't really an apology. But shut up, that conversation. I need to get on my knees and kiss the dick of Howard Stern. And. You don't need to kiss the dick of Howard Stern and

you don't need to kiss anyone's dick. But that's what you guys are acting like. You guys look at that because you're talking about as a shitty opinion, a apology, but where's our fucking apology? Watch this. Sorry, we don't get, thank you. Now let's move on.

Sorry. I'll do I need to get on my knees. You know, and kiss my dick. Oh shit So this escalated quickly so That's escalated quickly so um the So no, I'm saying where's our apology, but we're right we can't get to apology Because you're telling me there's no right way for me to word it. So tell me for me a person who's been fucked on my deals and a person that has friends that never figured out how to make shoes with a German

company that couldn't tell me to wear a BLM shirt and take off my red hat. Like what would have happened if I was at Nike, right? red hat, like what would have happened if I was at Nike, right? Tell me exactly how to engineer the situation. I'm gonna tell you exactly how you got a big voice, have the balls as a man to call out the individuals. Don't call them Jews, call them by their name and start a war against those individuals. They're not Jewish. But if that's the case, will you help me with that? Sure. Okay. 100% assholes are asked, well, let me like flip that too. I don't understand the industry

well. I see that people are fucking people over for sure. But how do you solve that? If you run, if you right now run the world's, you're doing a million things, but say you ran also a record label. I have ran a record label. Well, I've been ran by a record label where I was the face of a record label and had Big Sean and different people complaining to me. And I knew fuck about running a record label.

I was simply just a talent to producer and an influencer that then started good music, but I wasn't the one running good music. How would you do it differently? This is something I propose. I would look at the top 10 execs and three fields in sports, film and music. And I would look at the top 10 clients'

participant talent. I would look at the top talent in each of those fields, the top 10 of them. And some of them are going to be Tom Brady. Some of them are going to be Taylor Swift. Some of them, they're not all going to be black, right? Some of them, so, some of them will be Adele, right? And we'll look at all their contracts transparently and we'll compare the notes and reengineer like it's a new constitution because when I told my dad when I was 19 I was gonna get into the music industry he begged me not to he said I heard it's treacherous now I'm in a position where I've been through it I saw it I went out made some money somewhere else Now I'm in a position where I've been through it, I saw it, I went out, made some money somewhere else,

I saw my name get smeared, I saw my family get destroyed, I saw my reputation get destroyed, and I'm back here to have this kind of, I'm back here as a being with engineering opportunities. So, I would say, and if you say it's a shitty apology, what is the version of the apology short of kissing Howard Stern's dick? I don't think anyone wants to kiss Howard Stern's dick.

That's the whole point, Howard Stern. Nobody wants to kiss your dick, so shut the fuck up. I said, by the way, I'm antagonizing Howard Stern. I used to be a fan of you. Yeah, me too. Yeah, not that fan. And not, now you're just doing clickbait like everybody else. Now you're just a sad old man Howard. All right. Now how are you stirring? This is the first time

anyone's said your name in years. Your own family doesn't say your name unless they're calling to get their bills paid. You're going hard. I'm just, see, that's beautiful right there. That's much better than calling Jewish media. Call, go after individuals. Okay, so after individuals. And you don't talk shit about me. Talk shit about me. This is great.

And you know what that is? Yeah, what's that? Engineering. That's an engineer's approach. Yeah, engineers. Yeah, yeah, you should learn some of that. We all can use our pain against each other or we can say we're being with engineering opportunities.

And we can know about history. So let me change something. We can have a, just to be judgmental, people say, dashing at judge. I was talking to Camille Vasquez. She says, I'm very judgmental, people say, dashing at judge, I've been talking to Camille Vasquez. She says, I'm very judgmental. That's what we're doing. I believe, now you could go to Bible, and one thing's gonna say one thing,

another thing may be contradicted in a way, and then the pastor has to unpack it. I believe that we are too judge. If you look at some food and it's got a fly coming out of it, you can then judge at that point. You're supposed to use your better judgment. But whenever someone doesn't want to change something they're doing, they'll say,

don't judge me, right? But as a species, you call it for me, you got the breakthrough. And by the way, it's only a engineer that I would respect to tell me of how, of how to update how I'm communicating. Because this started off, right? I've been through all these interviews. Let me go to this. You said, this was a sorry apology. I was very specific. I said the Jewish because by the way, it's a barrage, right? It's a thing where I don't even remember the names at a certain point, right? It's like

if a if a girl was getting raped by men, if that person's not 18, right? And she was getting rapes is 14 right and She still got this face this super like I read a shake level face, right? She might say I hate men That woman may say I hate men she might get to that point because she was raped on my contracts and no one can say this is ramped up knowing how what star one can say this is ramped up, no, how would Stern can't say this is ramped up? Ari, Emmanuel can't say this is ramped up. George Soros knows damn well that I'm not ramped up. George Soros knows like, wow, this guy's like a younger guy that's looking at what I did and looking at how I control the world silently. And he's calling

it out. And he's not using any of the fear tactics. I can't send his homeboys around him. I can't send his wife to him. This guy, just with George Sorosies, right, when he's dealing with me, right? So what you guys are actually asking me to do, I'm comparing myself to that 18 year old, beautiful woman that had been mistreated by men for four years of her life, right?

And you're saying, as a man, you can't blame all men. And I'm saying, as a responsible, forward philosopher leader, okay, I'll drop the pain and I will specify because I'm a peer, I lost my fucking family, I lost my kids, I lost my best friend in fashion, I lost the black community, I lost, you know, people said I lost my mind, all of these things, lost my reputation and I'm a peer just like, I just want my family,

but I don't want my family to have to say what the left wants us to say, I have to say what China wants us to say. I want to be an American and protect my kids and protect my wife and raise my kids as Christians and have my wife be a Christian and innovate and American may rock and roll. I want to innovate as a creative person and be a successful American, but all of that

have been taken away from me. So I'm coming back and I'm removing the PSTD right now, right? I'm standing up and saying the only way that we're going to be able to get past this and the way God is going gonna use me right now, it's for me to stop talking about the pain, stop talking about what happened and do something about it. And that's where I'm at right now in this moment.

Like yeah, people agree, at least there was something we could say, he has a reason of why he got to that tweet. And what you're doing for me today is in, as a reason of why he got to that tweet. And what you're doing for me today is saying, you know, that was a sorry apology and let's specify. I'm not asking for anyone out here to empathize or sympathize for a, you know,

a do work for $11 billion that can make money disappear at a thin air in five different industries. You know, I'm not asking for the, I'm not asking anybody to sympathize with someone who's married to Kim Kardashian, dated, Irene Shaker, but like, I feel like I'm just not gonna get the sympathy vote in this situation, right?

So. I feel your pain, I feel your pain. I feel like no one's gonna fill my pain, only Brad and Leo can fill my pain, right? So I feel you're paying. I feel like no one's gonna fill my pain. Only only Brad and Leo can fill my pain. Right. So the so uh uh still but here today when you said it's a sorry apology, what's the what's the apology that you're looking for as a as a Jewish engineer. Oh, no, no, say as Lex, let's not talk about you being Jewish as Lex. What's the apology that you want me to say to am I allowed to say Jewish? Tell me is it anti-Semitic for you to say Jewish? I love. No, there's a I don't like the allowed that presumes censorship. I think you choose. You have a powerful voice. Did I prove?

Did I, did I, did I prove that there was censorship over the past two weeks? I prove that you all drink champs. Oh my, so I like Twitter and so on. Twitter. That has us to do drink champs that hurt you. The drink champs that North took it down, took down your conversation. They didn't hurt you. Man, you gotta be honest about the pain. We're still the kids we used to be.

I put my hand on the stove to see if I still bleed and nothing hurts anymore. I feel kind free No, I'm you think You know, I I went to Japan for two to three months, right? the day I Had Sunday service my kids are supposed to be there, and my kids would know where to be found. And I text, Kim, and said, where are my kids? We get into an argument, and then I get a text

from a number I don't know. And it's Pete Davidson, bragging about being in bed with my wife. Then... Just fucking with you. Well, at that point, it's like they're trying to put me in jail or put a friend of mine in jail.

Because then I'm gonna go surround the hotel and do something which would have me not be able to be here. And instead I walked away from that situation. I went to Japan like the samurai that I am and went to the top of the mountain. And because I knew that I mean, I knew there was no way she could love this dude, not just because he's ugly, he's not black. She likes black guys.

Every guy that she is with looks exactly same. Ray J, Reggie Bush, at that time Kanye West, she has a type. Just like how I have a type, like a lot of my girls look kind of similar to her because in a video game character, people have their type, right? So I knew that this was like the princess has a type and she likes Mario right there you go as somebody cares for you and hopefully it can be a friend yay I gotta say these words and the words about Jews is not the words of a samurai of a great man I would say you, you know, you said something that inspired that

resonated with a lot of people when you said George Bush doesn't care about black people. I have to say, as somebody who cares for you, that yay, the artist formerly known as Kanye West doesn't care about Jewish people. In the same way you spoke about George Bush, being a politician and not giving a fuck about the poor people that suffered after Katrina, you're not giving a fuck about the suffering of the Jewish people across the world.

How am I not? Because you're feeding, you're giving strength, motivation to be good. But we already updated. I gave it apology. You said it wasn't good enough. Yeah, that's right. It's not.

And now you're telling me, no, I'm not gonna. You don't need to kiss anyone's dick. Well, yeah, ask me to kiss. As a say, it was wrong to say, there's no Jewish media. There's no Jewish, there isn't. There's no control of the media by Jewish people. You were an engineer, brother. If you're an engineer and you're not holding to the truth, that's not engineering. There isn't there's no control of the media by George people you were engineer brother If you're an engineer and you're not holding to the truth. That's not engineering engineering is not that's not that doesn't that's hate

That's not engineering. I think I'm gonna build a better record label. It's called Sarah I'm going to respect our stereotypes exist for engineers don't do stereotypes But the stereotypes exist for a reason. Engineers don't do stereotypes. Stereotypes are dumb. They allow you to channel hate towards the other. You know what the biggest thing is? Yeah. With a something of veteran that was sitting next to me

at Cheesecake Factory last night, he said, you know, the general justice he serves for whoever is the president right and he said what's happening in politics is we're forgetting we're on the same side we're forgetting we're on this this is someone is practically now he's a nurse so he's still you know fighting for humanity in a way he went from holding you know guns in battle to being a nurse and when people are battling for their lives.

And he said, we're forgetting we're on the same side. This is a person that no matter who becomes president, he can still be told to go to war. And the chaos that's created by the media has split the country in half. And what us as beings with an engineer opportunity need to do right now is find the blue water. Where do we, where are places that we agree on? And I want you to finish everything, hey, I'ma let you finish.

Everything that you want to express to me, get off all, I'm your, I'm your scarecrow today, I'm your, I'm your punching bag today for everything I did and I want you to stand up for all of the hate that I'm your outgore when he lost the election. Remember, he almost became a punching bag for the lady that have voted on him. And she just said all this stuff.

And he's like, I know, I agree with you, right? But there's nothing that he could do about it. With this, it's like, things that you're saying, I agree with you. You know, it's like things that you're saying, I agree with you. You know, it's like if you sit some kids in the principal's office and I punched somebody, right? I took my hand, right? As what it really means, even Arya Emmanuel had to say,

this is a pop icon, right? And I went and just punched an entire people at one time, or said that I was about to, I went like this, right? And I got blacked out, black mirrored, done, right? And it's like, what were you even going to do? And why did you go like this? I went like this because I can't even do, I would, I would look insane to physically show you a, a, a, a, a physical representation of my last 20 years of what I've been through

as a musician, as a father, and as a black person with a political opinion. A great man still through the pain, does the right thing, and I think the right thing is to not say that there's Jewish control in the media. That's incorrect, though. That's a fucking lie, there is. And they did come and bully me, it proved the point.

No, the reason you don't say it is because the world is much bigger than the forgive me, the narrow little world you exist in. Your impact stretches way past those little boardroom meetings over contracts. So what's your ad done? What should I've done? Not say that you should be a strong man that doesn't mention that doesn't mention religion of people and then fight. Do you want to win this fight? I have to win. How do we win? Call out individual people built,

that's one way because they have a big voice. The other voice that I prefer is to build another label. I feel like you're controlling my creative narrative and my, because just like how you're telling me, I shouldn't have said that. Do you think there are people telling me I shouldn't have wore red hat? No, you because you asked me what should I have done? You're supposed to be a scarecrow so I thought I'm gonna beat the shit out of the scarecrow in my words, right? You let me yeah, it was consensual the punching bag is a bad because scarecrow actually has a different

Yeah, I'm like a bunching back. I because scarecrow actually has a different real way. So to say a punching bag, I should say a scarecrow. But every single person that I've sat with from the point when I wore the red hat to now has done the same thing. Sit in the principal's office and don't do what you're doing. We're in the generous closet right now together. And I'm not, the red hat is very different. The red hat is uh, you have a set of beliefs, you represent half the country that has a hope, a vision for the future of America. That's very different than without any purpose whatsoever saying Jewish media. Jewish control the media. You said there's no purpose. So you're taking away my history and my reason of what my purpose was.

I'm saying it was dumb. Also, also, I'm speaking my voice vocalizing. Also, yeah, it's God's plan. There's a lot of things that open up, let me tell you something that opened up. There's a guy like I told you that was running STEM player who I've had issues with, we hadn't got paid on certain things right.

And he took his IQ, his know how, his engineering know how to, he basically was trying to adidas me with even though I was the bigger money in the situation that was fun and we fun it together. And he hired these engineers and he said, well, because you're a comments, we're not gonna be able to hire anybody else. And I was like, well, how many Jewish people do we have in our company?

He said, I don't know. He didn't say exactly, right? I said, do we have black people? We said, yes, that's then how many said two? So we have like 60 full time employees, like 40, half time, and part time. And I took as a responsibility, let's take a step back from us being one species and say, hey, you're Jewish, I'm black. Right.

Step by step. For this example, for the sake of this example. And I said, wow, I'm sure I can hire more than two black engineers. And what happens is because there are so many business men that just so happen to be Jewish, that it's good business, right? Just to monopolize, that's where people are looking. Everybody wants to be Elon right so the I just agree with that okay but let me finish the point a lot of what you finish a lot of a lot of a lot of business pen want to be a successful as Elon and as popular as Elon a lot like it just worded like that which I hate the term a lot actually I want to be more

specific but I don't I haven't done the math on it. Let's say some, factually for sure there are some business people of all different walks and backgrounds that would like to be as rich and as popular as Elon Musk. So let me just take a step back from the We're One species into the, we're separated by race, gender, social, economic, class conversation and say, as a black owner of two tech platforms, hardware and software, I need to take action. Let's not call it affirmative. Let's just say I need to take action and I need to take accountability and ensuring that black engineers are hired and guess what,

hired together. Because when the black people that are brilliant are separated from our culture, we forget who we are. And we'll get to a point where, you know, OJSA, I'm not black, I'm OJ, because just to be on the golf course, we put on the golf shirt, but the golf shirt might not be something that our culture would have done. And our culture in poorer communities

is, oh, everybody's got a drako on them. Everybody's got a gun on them. Oh, if you run above me on the gas station, I'm a kid. Hey, you ain't got to talk to me like a man. If I haven't killed at least five people, but you know what happens is we can kill five people. We can kill 10 people and still be in the media as long as we play by the rules, right?

Because what will happen is any of these guys that have talked about killing people in different things and less trumpet partner, right? But let's say even if trumpet partner, they could still go to someone like a little boozy or a meek mills or puff daddy, anybody and say, hey, we need you to talk shit about yay right now. And also, you're not allowed.

If you do want to vote for Trump or vote outside of what this arrangement is, then we're gonna put you in jail. And ain't, we're not gonna bring you down. We have this on you. You get what I'm saying? If I had ever killed someone, if I wasn't the bitch with the pink polo on,

I wouldn't be able to be the vocal man that I am today. You understand what I'm saying? This is the reason why I'm happy that my gangster disciple brothers kept me from the initiations, which made me feel like a pussy, my whole life, right? But now I am someone who legally can say this. Other people in my position, they legally cannot speak.

They legally cannot speak or they will go to prison. I am in a bit of a glass prison because I don't have say so over my children go to school. But I'm in a freedom place where I can have this conversation with you right now. And that is I don't like the word breakthrough. You know that's God's hand on this situation. But you get what I'm saying about if I hadn't said the tweet, I wouldn't have to have to take the accountability myself to hire black engineers into my two tech platforms. Yeah, and you get what I'm saying. That's a beautiful personal journey you're on. But you get what I'm

saying that that personal is for my people as a whole as a tribal company, a small company. That's a small company. That's a small company. That's a tribal person. I believe that I am my people. And the thing that that businessmen have done to my people have pulled the brightest out of our tribes and siloed them and made us lose our culture and lose who they were. All the only thing I wanted to say of Virgil's funeral, which I wasn't allowed to, right, it was a white pastor that talked the majority of the funeral, half the funeral was pissed, pissed, right? And this pastor actually married me and Kim, right? It looks like Justin Timberlake a little bit. And he talked to after funeral. He knew Virgil's passing, did a collaboration with him before he

passed by the way, right? A clothing collaboration. I didn't know Virgil's passing, but the thing I wanted to say, I saw Asep Rocky and I saw some other members of his gang, you know, in the audience at the funeral. And all I wanted to tell him is don't let them split the gang up. Don't let them split the gang up. And I did the first Yeezy, cause I did Kanye West two fashion shows before as a high end luxury, all leather, kinda design or not all leather, but you know, high end materials, mink, this kinda thing.

And then I came back with Yeezy with the Deedis. And this fashion show was so popular that Justin Bieber had to sit in the second row, right? This thing had every name you could think of had Kim Kardashian, Chris Jenner, Kindle Jenner. It was Kylie's first fashion show. She's been in. And in the second fashion show, I put Kylie and Bella, how deep next each other in the fashion show. You had puff daddy at that time, puff daddy, uh, have beef with Drake. Drake still came to the show and Jay Z had to break up the fight back stage. The designers, you had Jerry Lorenzo that's had a fear of God.

You had Kim Schrob, had a skimmed, you have Virgil Abel, had a Louis Vuitton, you had Dimna, head of Balenciaga, all working for the leader, for the philosopher, right, for the person that put, who put this together? Me, that's who, right. You had these people working for the King of New York, basically the boss, yay, right. You, yet Jay Z in the audience, Rihanna in the audience, um, Beyonce in the audience sitting next to Anna Winter in this audience. And guess who her wind of this? One of the richest men in the world, but not I know caught wind of this. What's going on?

They're building up something and we need to stop it. So then he met with me and politely offered me backing from my clothing line. It would be Kanye West, they would get 49% 51%, I would get 49% that I've control and they were going to give me all of the support from Louis Vuitton. So I had to go to Adidas and I told Adidas, hey, let's a dimmify the apparel. So Adidas, you're not going to do the apparel anymore. Hey, we had a good time, but we're going to run off with Jizzale now, right? So the, that's like you told your girl that and she's like, oh, no, we're supposed to, we had the

proudest moment of our career. And so, so then he offers me to deal in an Alexander Arno, who's went to gone on and rape and pillage from all of the talent that I had afterwards said I say before I tell Adidas to Edimify that peril can I get a written contract from your dad Bernard Arno and he says my dad will never go back on his word you so you already know what this thing is going right. You can spoiler alert right. He went back on his word. You so you already know what this thing is going, right? You can spoil our alert, right? He went back on his word. So three months into the deal, I get Anna Winter, I say, who should I use for my lawyer? She picks my lawyer for me, right?

I just found out even a couple of days that the lawyer demanded an airplane during negotiations, had nothing to do with me, right? They said the banana no got freaked out. And then Alexander no calls me and says the deal got dropped at the board. I went back and told my high maintenance wife, I was supposed to become this designer at Louis Vuitton or the Louis Vuitton group was going to back the Kanye West line because that's how good I've done in fashion, babe. And now the deal is dropped. Now the deal is dropped.

So then I did a second collection and we didn't have any support to be able to build the collection. Then I went and found and third collection. We did it. We took over MSG. Fourth collection went and the show started an hour late. Then a week later, Kim got robbed. Then I told Scooter Braun, my manager at that time, I say, I'm looking, you know, I need to go to Japan.

I'm tired. I'm tired. He says, no, you need to make more money. I do four more shows on a second leg of the tour and I suffer from exhaustion and go to the hospital and then get diagnosed with a disorder. This is the first time I ever suffered from exhaustion. By the way, I haven't been to the hospital since. I Haven't been to the hospital sense and haven't taken medication in two years. And I'm sure there will be people in the media we won't say, where phone will say,

well that's obvious, right? So, right now I'm talking to you, right? I'm not on medication. I just go to sleep, right? I have sleep. Have you been able to sleep this? That's that's that's that's too low hanging fruit for you. You're more you're I expect you're an angry I agree I agree I agree though. Yeah, I regret it. I get that that that's like That's like pierced Morgan trying to grab ratings to be like you got a whole life ahead of you

You got a whole life ahead of you These guys are at the end of their life. Oh, good, good. So this story, I don't know how to make shit, I love it. But then, amidst that, the same guy that dropped my deal, Bernard, I know, goes and hires my best friend. Goes and hires my main engineer, right?

It would have been like them hiring, you know, Elon from Peter before they figured out Paul before they figured out PayPal. But it all, Paul, it sounds like, it all, Paul sounds like Paul, I just said, because I'm a Christian, I thought it was cool. But it would have been like, what if someone could have went in and took Elon away

from Peter before they paid Paul, before they, I just could say PayPal away from Peter before they paid Paul before they I just could say paypal. Yeah, for the paypal. Before it, it's just too close. Yeah, too close. It just sounds so fresh. The fact that it's so close, right? And that's, that's what happened, right? They broke the gang up. And I'm telling you right now, that hadn't happened Virgil's alive. I'm still married. You know, I'm saying the power structure was broken then, right?

Because we were building some kind of, it wasn't a billionaire that, you know what I mean? We were building something together that a French colonizer came in and caught it early and tried to destroy it, but the only thing is God is alive. And I'm a part of early and try to destroy it, but the only thing is, God is alive, and I'm anointed.

And even with those drawbacks, losing my wife, losing my friend, exhaustion, all of these late night tweets that piss off an entire group, you know, like this, the frustration, still, there, we work, I work for God and God runs the world. And we'll see what, we'll see what happens. But in those words, don't you feel that being split up, don't you feel you're doing

the thing that you stand against, which is playing victim? Aren't you playing victim to the forces in the world? I didn't play victim, I didn't even get a chance to play. I just said I was about to. I said like this, like, No, you played pretty damn well. What do you mean? What do you mean about to?

You're like one of the greatest designers in history fashion designers. You were playing. What do you, you are playing? What does that even mean? I thought you were referring to the tweet All of them there. Well, there's a full set of things that you're under attack for The tweet and everything beyond that. Well, like you're you're blaming not blaming

But you're saying that the Jewish media the Jewish reckoning because the Jewish media, the Jewish record label, the Jewish people forget Jewish or not. It doesn't matter. It's playing victim, right? Ultimately, I am fighting a battle in the spiritual form. And anyone that believes in God and is looking at this interview would agree with that. And I just so happen to be a bright part of God's army. I'm fighting for us to live. The greatest gift is life itself. I am pro-life. I am pro-God. I believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and died for our sins.

our sins. What do you feel about another attack, another painful thing? I imagine super painful is Belenciaga pulling you had a really close relationship and friendship with their creative director. I think how do you feel about all of it? I told you I sang the song. I sang another song from one of my mentors future. I never felt pain. I didn't felt too much pain. Like there was a day where I was headed to Nashville to meet with George Farmer, who is the CEO of Parla, the day when we made the announcement. And that same day, Balenciaga was taking my imagery off of their site.

And the drink champs was being taken down. And I said, this is the happiest day of my life. I love cutting the grass low. People wasn't really with you. They was part-time. People switch up when it's wartime. I'd rather have people who are really with me and that people who are just trying to use me. Listen, as a friend, somebody cares for you. You have to be really careful by the people, by all people always. The people that are going to be trying to be close to you now, you don't know if you can trust them anymore.

Or what the blincy eye got, I have more to say about it though. Yeah. Let's do this. Dimna will still work for yay someday. And this is just speeding the process up. Have you talked? Can you share if you've talked? Yes, I talked to Dimna. This is like, we're Kendrick's periods. None of this can keep us away from each other.

I brought Dimna to Gap to be able to bring the best product in the world. At that time, I wanted to go under $100. Now I'm like, okay, we're going to go $20 a product. I brought DIMNA in to engineer. That's why I said, engineer by Balenciaga, easy guy by Balenciaga, to engineer the best product for the people. The people that they say are at the bottom of the Maslow hierarchy and need chart, they're at the bottom of the pyramid. So gap didn't want that. Balenciaga didn't want that.

Our agendas were not aligned. I was brought in to the gap for political reasons and influence, like a Virgil, like a George Floyd. When popular celebrities are brought into Fortune 500 companies, it's not to raise the stock. It's to strengthen the position and influence. And it's definitely not to be out here letting a nigga think he's Steve jobs. Yeah, there's people like that. But you as a great man and visionary, your job is to understand

that game and be one step ahead. Well, that's who I'm telling them. That relationship, you know, some relationships only last for a summer. You know, some last for a year, the relationship ran its course. You know, in that relationship, I invested a lot of my social capital and actual capital.

I spent somewhere between $5 to $10 million personally on Balenciaga. How much money do you think Balenciaga had paid me in the past two years? Just take a really wild guess, a really wild one. Less than that. Just take a super wild one. Just go to the furthest extent of your imagination.

1.2 million. Lower. 500,000. Lower. Zero. Zero. Alright. And actually, two weeks ago, I paid at a Saints account, $862,000.

Not in clothes from me, from Belenciaga, from the store, in royalties to Belenciaga, where the deal had been engineered where I was coming out of my pocket. So I paid, last year I paid Dimna, $3 million to design the collection, right? And we got it out of the Gap Marketing Fund and he was gonna deliver 160 skews or 120 skews.

100 skews are separate items of clothing, so styles of clothing. So we ended up delivering about 60. I feel like we're on the People's Court because we actually are right when the Court of Public Opinion. So he delivered about 60. There were all kinds of people that were working

at part of the reason why I had to get Dimmna. Like I didn't want to have to, I wanted to compete with him. I didn't want to have to like get him. You know, when I made stronger, I did it to compete with Timberlake and Justin Timberlake because my fiance at that time, like Justin Timberlake, just a little bit too much. So I made it to compete. And then we had the song out.

It's number one on our Apple. It's blowing up. I play it in a club and it sounds muddy. It doesn't sound the way sexy back sounded in the club. So I go to Ferrell, Williams to do the drums and it doesn't, it sounds like a different record.

And so it can't be a different record because I'm like, I'm gonna swap it out on radio, right? Then I go to Swiss beats. It sounds like a different record. I go to Timberland, the person who did sexy back. And he did it in five minutes, and then spent the rest of the hour talking about how nobody could have done it,

except for him running around the studio. I'm the best. No one could have done it. That's why he had to go to me. Had to go to the king. Well, he had a point, right? He had a point, right? So what makes us some muddies of the beat?

It was in the drums. It was something that Timberland had in those drums. Like now, watch this. I said I'm going deaf con three, right? And the actual, I spelled it wrong. I have a tendency to do that. I'm not quite John Legend, Tice, sweater, level, spelling, B, level.

So I feel a parallel to me going to Timberlin, to when I said, hey, you as an engineer, I need to work with you as an engineer that is Jewish, to look at these contracts and what my people, I need to work with you as an engineer that is Jewish to Look at these contracts and what my people not just black people. Let's say artists are dealing with in our contracts These contracts need to be fixed Everyone can be so mad at the messenger, right? Yeah, you said it the wrong way

You're offensive. You're like Hitler now because you said it. You said this out loud, but it does not, you weren't getting enough sleep. All this shit does not negate the fact that we do have Houston. We have a problem. Yeah, but we is just the music industry. Like, there's a lot of hate that was created by just saying that, you know, but we is just the music industry. Like there's a lot of hate that was created by just saying that, you know? But you're saying what is just, is everything to me, right?

Yeah, yeah. One person, everything to me, right? And for George Bush, winning an election was everything. And then when you said George Bush doesn't care about black people, that you woke him up. You woke the people up to the fact

that he was narrowly being selfish. You are, there's a sense to which you're being corrupted by your own greatness. You're focusing too much on the industry that you've made great, that you've roasted at the very top. One of the richest artists in history, one of the greatest design. I'm not, I am the richest artist in history. one of the greatest designs. I'm not, I am the richest artist in history. Probably the richest artist in history. Yeah, I don't, I don't, you know. The funny thing is they're like,

oh, Rich's blipers, like, oh, also Rich's actor. Rich's musician, Rich's fashion designer, like it's a bunch of Rich's, and that one, you know what I'm saying? It's like, Richard then Ralph Lauren. Like, Richard then Amani, like Rich richest, like, of that, but still low. Like, cause where do you put that, you know, like on the totem, cause I don't even want to, uh,

man's bank account is an everything. I would say you and I are equal in a certain deep sense. No matter what the bank account says. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So I wanted to give you some day music for for your mom's son a little muddy. Let me give you the Timberland version. Broom, broom, broom, broom. Thank you. But okay, that is love. So other thing about like say like Balenciaga is

So other thing about like say like Balenciaga is Demna will work with yay someday and Forcedric and for Francois Pino and Salmas is a beautiful human being Five years from now, you'll hear and know the name, yay, and know things that we did. And Valencia August is not going to make it onto your questions. Would you, well, would you, as a gambler, man, would you bet on that? I would bet on that, considering your eyes. Let me ask you so it was sad it was actually a sad day for me not from me, but more for Balenciaga I just when I when I heard that was just like oh shame

Let me ask you a silly question just About them that I read something that you two talked about, like buttons for a few hours. Then my gum dropped buttons. Just an accent. I mean, it didn't only speak in Streck. What's your philosophy with which you approach design? You are one of the great fashion designers of our time. How do you think about it?

Do you have a philosophy? You know what I like about the zipper is, the zipper, the zipper hoodie replaces the dress shirt because you can get on your douchebag, shit, and like unzip it and give it a little bit of, you know, that type of look. Which is the douchebag? You know, like when the douchebags that go to Vegas

are unbuttoned in their dress shirt. which is the douchebag? You know, like when the douchebags that go to Vegas are unbuttoned, they're dressers. Yeah. And the problem with the pullover hoodie is, you can't do the douchebag thing with you on button. But then still get the like, the stomach because the thing is the ultimate look would be like, you know, military tank pullover hoodie.

And if you get a little hot, you take off the hoodie, but you're like crazy in shape. So it gives you that flexibility. Yeah, it's given, the zipper's given some flexibility, and it's like, maybe you wanna keep your jacket on, like this consider like a hoodie to be like a jacket. If you wanna keep your jacket on, then you might want to do this as opposed to pulling it all the way off.

You know, so, and it's just comfort, but then you get, okay, can I do a jogging pant on this? What a last, last, last, is it, now, people argue about climate where we are with the climate, I take responsibility as being the most influential designer of all time to say we're gonna use biodegradable clothing. Now, the issue there is the elastic is not biodegradable. So that means it's actually better to use genes and a belt than to have an elastic waistband because the elastic waistband is not biodegradable.

So I use the planet as a big, the future of the planet is a big piece of the way I engineer and the way we talk about where designs are going. The constraints on your design and engineering is given by the planet, by the future of the planet. Yes. That could almost make Jewish people like me again. Every time you say Jewish people, I think I've been maybe reading a little too much about

war, Lord, too. But man, I'd recommend you listen to some audiobooks or read some books on the Holocaust. Because like, it's heavy, it's heavy. It will put into context the impact of your words. Would you read books on the current Holocaust that black people are in? No, I mean, I read, I read, what have you read about abortion? I've read a lot of short form writing

and I've listened to a lot of debates because it's really humbling that the question of when does life begin is a really difficult question. For me, as an engineer and scientist, it's a philosophical question. I mean, we could just go on population control. Not like if abortion is right or wrong, we could say factually, the clinics were made by eugenics for population control and it is controlling the population as is the never being given of 48% in a meal.

So you don't have the opportunity. And when the people that do have the opportunity are separated from our people, our tribe, and place in suburban communities next to Chris Rocker put it, the dentist, and whitewashed and made the shut the fuck up and vote left or whatever, niggers are supposed to do when we make it. As opposed to saying, okay, we're building schools, we're building

up choirs, we're building up our own leagues, basketball teams, our own factories. We started the first sportswear factory in America since World War II was actually this factory I put in Cody. So, you know, I'm 45 years old. We're on this journey right now. It's the other thing about this. It's like, people just in general, they love me so much. I'm like actually a hard guy to really hate for a long period of time. It's just because like, it's like my huge cock. And that's what I noticed. I didn't I didn't understand why you showed it to me when we first met, but now I understand.

Yeah. It's very nice. Congratulations. I know you don't talk about it, but your hat does say 24. Yeah. If you run for president, what kind of ideas would you represent? That we're beings with engineering opportunities. I would represent Just as you served the platform here, there's something that happened on my last run that that I thought I feel I know was brilliant. It was noisy, but it was brilliant. I had one rally and in the rally,

I just let people come up and I gave them a platform. It's our responsibility to listen to the pain and hear the pain and understand even when we're the ones that calls the pain, like with my tweet, it's my responsibility to hear you and understand why you feel like that, but it's our responsibility as a people to understand each other, to give people a voice. People need the voice, and even right now, what I'm doing or how God is using me, I'm showing where our voices are being muted.

There's professors that are actually intelligent, actually have multiple degrees that have been canceled From their schools and they don't have a music industry or a fan base or a shoe design or a Smoking hot ex-wife to complain about They've just got the truth of what they saw and what they dedicated to this country and to education truth of what they saw and what they dedicated to this country and to education that has been muted by schools that have been taken over with an agenda. And so you're you want the brightest minds to be these professors and then you mute them and they have nowhere to go and you might get a guy now that went from being someone's favorite professor to

he's working at Starbucks like like he was back at school or like he was back at high school. So you're not that voice is about anger and hate. It still deserves to be heard. Yeah, deserves to be heard and we deserve to ask why. You know, like you have to ask why I just feel like that's what I Feel like that is sympathized and mr. Hugecock. I'm just saying that It just needs to be She changed that to you name on Twitter

While you're still a lot on there. Yeah, I do think that that would get censored. I feel like they, you know, they definitely cut it down some inches. The, I'm pointing out this, I'm pointing out this truth. Now I'm sorry, this is not a Christian thing, right? And, you know, I wonder right there, when I say these jokes, is it something that, because I do feel like laughter

is the key engineering and laughter, right? Is the key to peace. Like when I go get my teeth clean and I have the nitrous, there's something that I wanna go and hug, Kris Jenner, I wanna go and hug Cory Gabba, I wanna go and hug, you know, no one wants a hug, have a start. But, you know, just if one, turn it on.

Let's, I would love to see you two hug it out and make up, even though all this shit talking back and forth. What about talking it out, or is it gonna be screaming at me? Yeah, judgmental and that kind of stuff. No, I hope there's love there. You know the thing is,

I think Howard's just jealous. You know, not just jealous of my cock. He's also, he's jealous that I started my campaign earlier than him. You gotta let go of that jealousy. You gotta let go of that jealousy Howard. You gotta let go of that jealousy. I'll let you and everybody else.

You gotta let go of that jealousy. You gotta let go of that jealousy. You gotta let go of that jealousy Howard. You gotta let go of that jealousy Howard. You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else.

You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else. You gotta let you and everybody else. this stuff, it's like, hmm, am I being disobedient to God? Because as a boss, right, I'll talk to, and, uh, and employee, and I'll be like, why didn't you just listen because I've got the bigger plan, right? So it's like me talking to God, were the things that I did in this interview, there were disobedient to God. And for those things, I pray and I repent for anything that I've said that was disobedient to God.

But humor is not one of them. Joakings. I feel like humor is the way we avoid so much suffering in the world. It's the way to, it's like a catalyst for love. Like, it's a way to, people that have gone to some of the darkest trauma that I've ever met so that the war, I just came back from Ukraine, they're laughing. They're making jokes. That's the best way to deal with dark times. I don't know what it is about like humans. I feel like humor

That's the best way to social engineer a good future. I think it's humor not taking shit too seriously That's the problem with censorship one of the things I really suffer is Humor jokes maybe going too far in the jokes. You mentioned Anthony Jesselnik that guy goes hard That guy goes really hard and it's great. He crosses all the lines and that's why he's a genius. And that's what people feels refreshing when he does it. I don't know what it is. But then it's like her full when I do it.

But I'll tell you something that I was interested. I'm pretty sure Anthony doesn't like, sorry for this assumption but just most comedians I know didn't vote for Trump. That's interesting. I, that's saying there aren't comedians that did, but just the ones I know, because I live in California, right? But they have an appreciation for Trump

because of the sense of humor. Gotta ask you about parlor and engineering because I'm interested about that. Duh, dung, dung, dung, dung. Hey man, I'm actually about that DONG DONG DONG DONG Hey man, I'm actually trying to hold it together. You're pretty, you're pretty offensive towards towards a lot. And I'm not looking to be offensive. I really want to bring people together and get these I know, but the word I 100% I see your vision. How do we do? But somebody you care, well, not don't say Jewish media and Jewish Jewish controlled media. J.M

Like man, you sound you sound like it sounds too much like 1930s Nazi Germany that was leading up to the atrocities Oh, he was he would say J.M Yeah, he was a brand of J.M. That's right. No, it's just the the implied like this Mimified Pregidist towards a group in a way that's going to lead them hate and I know you don't mean that I know I know you have love in your heart You know was it was a prejudice towards a group that led to hate BLM. BLM took a black person, showed his death on camera because okay, there are examples of us being killed and being killed on camera, but if it was spread on

camera, it was done on purpose by the media. Because 14, 20 kids get killed in Chicago every week, and it's not spread that much. They, like you said, singled out a person directed everything on that person, right, as the martyr and raised the people that hadn't had any, we didn't have a 48 or a mule, we didn't have, you know, like a lot of things, right, like that black people have not ever been given. So once we're given just a little bit like your life matters, right? Then we literally like, okay, now we're being hurt, right? But actually the death toll is up.

The city where this happened has completely been turned to a worsen. They actually, it's actually something like Candace Owens can actually specify this better. But it's like its own city or something, like they made it not be a part of the actual state or something. It's like DC and stuff. It's like Washington, DC now and stuff like and that has to be from a government You know that's got

Higher level agenda written all over it. Yeah, they're using the death of an individual. Yeah, sure the media are Not the Jewish media the media and that's the media's fucked up that machine Does takes whatever tragedy and pushes it towards whatever narrative that gets more clicks and views and so on sure and then politicians do the same they use the media that influenced the media to tell a story and This is a simple thing. I put I believe that the idea of anti-Semitism and the closeness of the Holocaust is used by certain individuals in media

to not take accountability for the bad things that are happening. And what's happening is there's a new frontier, right? Meaning like it used to be okay for somebody to be a billionaire. We thought about a billion, a billionaire, right? A lot of times you think of them actually kind of being out of shape and you know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, like, oh, NASA's something like, you thought about it

different. Now you think about a billion, you think about Elon, think Kim, think yay, you think it's a new kind of billionaire. It's not just Soros, it's a new form of billionaire. Well, right now, when I'm calling for the industry is I'm calling it. I'm calling the industry out and saying like, hey, it just so happens that there's been times where I had my lawyer was Jewish, my regular was Jewish, like like eight people that basically would collude and talk without me were in groups saying, okay, this is what the tour is going to be.

This is this next house. And they were making all these decisions and they're making all this money. And at the end, I was like, I ended my tour and I don't have the money. And it just so happens that that's the case that what they were, but what I'm saying is, if everyone can say, hey, you can't point out this fact

or we're going to say you're anti-semitic and we're going gonna call you Hitler. I feel that there has to be at least 1% of safeguarding the ability to screw the artist based on saying it's anti-Semitic by pointing out that they just so happen to all be Jewish. And I don't think that's anti-Semitism. I just think that's, hey, this is another thing.

Like, okay, the Kardashians, when you hear that, do you think male or do you think female? You think female. You gotta say, you think, this is the reality. This is why rap works, right? They're gonna make an anti-women thing in a second, right? And it's gonna say, well, if you point out that these five women, six women

are having a meeting on where the Christmas party is, and none of the ball players or rappers that they have babies with have any say so, so that Christmas happened at Courtney's house all eight years when I was there, and it never happened that anyone else's black family house, right? If I'm the one that pointed it out, they just don't have, they don't have their, oh, your anti-semitic word to say, shut the fuck up.

Yeah, but- Because this is the way it runs, this is the way we want to do it. If you say that though that women are silencing the black voice, yes, you're going to get the same response, but especially if it historically resonates. What about the fact that it's true? When you talk in groups, that breeze hate. When you talk about individuals, it solves problems. You're an engineering.

Okay, but this is something I pointed out on Pierce. I said, if a black person gets pulled over with a car, and it's three other people in the car, they're also going to jail. They're not going to single them out. They're going to say, you guys are all in collusion. I just described collusion five times in this interview and you keep on going back to this is like 1930 This is like this. This is like that. When I'm saying is look I want to work with you as an engineer

To free my people. Can we start as a being with engineer opportunities right here? I I am sorry to the people who had to be hurt and affected by that. Now, we are here and I'm looking to solve it. But what happens is every time if I talk to any of these business people one by one, because mind you, I didn't get to the tweet by not having a conversation. I had the conversations beforehand before I got to the tweet. Now, we gonna take it to the stage.

Now we're on the world stage, right? And you saw Arya Manuel do exactly the kind of thing that I was saying had been done behind closed doors. Now he's doing it in open doors. They told Candice Owens, I couldn't be on the daily wire. Like you can't even explain yourself. And we don't care how you got to that point either. And that's fucked up. They told Candice, you can't be on daily one. It's that even about, yes, she did. That's what they said. And you know what? And you can have my voice raised or lower.

I'm gonna do it lower, right? Because what's happening to me by, I put in your words, the media is saying, not only can you not explain yourself, we don't care how you got to that point. You need to apologize and you can't explain and that's the end of the story. So just apologize so we can have Mel Gibson do some more films

It's exactly what Ari Emmanuel is saying no one is looking to change the problem that led so many people to that same level of frustration and I just so happen to be the one that's not gonna back up on it until this changes because You know what I'm sorry sorry I had a sleepy text. I'm sorry I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I put that I was 512 or 511 on Tinder. Okay, my cock is not 14 inches, I lied, okay. It's only 13. So I'm sorry, right? So the

Why are you dropping so many facts today? So what I'm saying is but where do we get to this because even you As engineering as intelligent as you are you just like everyone else that I say and was colluding Won't let us get to the point of fixing it. Yeah, but I'm not, I think you're more powerful than the media. I'm not saying you need to apologize because the media, I'm saying everything we've been talking about just because I care for you and I want you to be the best possible man you can be. To me, a definition of a great man, I'm with Martin Luther King on this. You don't talk about Jews or Black people.

You talk about engineering. You talk about this. You don't talk about Jews or Black people. You talk about engineering, you talk about humanity, you solve problems. You identify the problems in the world and you don't come from a place of resentment. This group did this, this, fuck all that. That is in the past. You just build solutions. I'm going to create a new record label. I'm going to create a new design firm. I'm going to create a new social network. I'm going to do it better. I'm going to do it right. I'm going to do new design firm. I'm gonna create a new social network. I'm gonna do it better. I'm gonna do it right. I'm gonna do it right by the people that I know don't have a voice.

I'm gonna give them a voice and talk about that. Is it okay to call out collusion? Do people collude in your business? Under you, like the engineers, they come together and like say, they collude against the bosses, right? You know why Bernard and No, all for the deal and took away from me? Collusion.

Because I was too powerful with the collective that I had right there. He had to stop that at all costs. They said, for whatever reason this kid, yay, it has the ability to have all of the Kardashians, Jay-Z and Beyonce, Justin Bieber, Demna Virgil, all these people in the same room working towards the same goal. I've been that person since preschool. That's called a leader, right? And right now, what I'm saying is,

hey, for the people in business, whatever their background is, whether they turn their, whether they turn their cell phones off on Friday or not, there's been some bad business done, there's some bad business practices, and we have to change that because this game is like boxing, more people end up retarded than rich. And I'm saying like beat to a poke driven crazy beat by the media to a pulp right now, the media has done everything they

could to make me apologize and to make me look crazy. And that one person has done anything to find out why I was frustrated enough to do that tweet. And that's facts. And that's fucked up. Well, I was hoping to I am finding out we found out. I mean, but like I want solutions. Like see, there's something about human nature where if you focus too much on resentment To focus it on anymore Fuck the resentment we're moving forward. Right. So there's two things I think that are required for I mean This is how I've lived my life for great engineering you surround yourself in your personal life

by people you trust and Then in your professional life from the engineer perspective, with the team, with an incredible team. And everything doesn't matter. That allows you not to focus on other groups, how they're fucking you over, how they're like trying to manipulate a collude and all that kind of stuff. You focus on solutions and you find a way around all the difficult shit. That's it. If you have people in your life, you can trust. That's like life long. You said like some people your words for the summer, for a year, find people you can be with for your whole life.

Do you have people in your life that you trust? Like really trust. No, I trust God. At any point a human being can like I could like if I like go and like Really You know treat this guy like a piece of shit or do this that at that am I supposed to you know trust him to be Loyal and stay in the situation. No, I trust people to be people and people are flawed and people can have the right intentions But only makes sense for us to work together when our agenda's aligned.

When Kim was pulled really far to the left, our agenda's no longer aligned, so that made the marriage impossible. It aligned where it's like, oh, I can wear a red hat, that can help her to get out of this Johnson out of jail because Trump's willing to do that for my wife because I was the only person in my position that stood up and said, wait, I like you. You know, because- But isn't there a deeper agenda, the human agenda of just being in love? Like, that's just

Paul, we're talking about red hat is just politics, right? I mean, the world is becoming more and more transactional every day and actually marriages are actually originally based on transactions. You know, and that's why they're less needed the more autonomous as we come. Or the world makes it less needed. I feel like we do need each other. I feel like we do need someone.

We can always, you know, count on. It's like I'm yay, pulled away by King Cooper, which is the media, the politics, the promise, or we're gonna keep you safe. So the thing, the reason why I get really frustrated with Chris Jenner is she says, losing Rob Kardashian was the greatest mistake of her life, but she never gave Kim's hand over a marriage,

because this is the bottom line. When me and Kim met, we were millionaires or whatever, right? You're telling me, you just hand her hand over a marriage that your daughter's not successful, handing your hand over a marriage to, but no, she had to still be the husband to all of her daughters. And we see what the results are consistently.

So that's where I get, you know, frustrated. It's like let that go, let this person do what you made mistakes on. Don't make this person relive those same mistakes and then put that agenda into my daughters too. So is there somebody in your life close to you that that you trust enough to call you out on your bullshit? We're all full shit sometimes. What's my bullshit? Well, some of it I pointed out today, but I don't know you deeply know. What was the Jewish media Jewish that's not bullshit. The bullshit is that the Jewish media won't admit

your dad was right. Your dad was right. The words you used, the you weren't, the point you were, and I said it, you're not gonna make me say it 800 more times. I don't know if it resonated because you keep saying like the words,

did it resonate to y'all that y'all ain't do nothing about it. And all y'all want to do is have somebody apologize and sweep under the rug. Your bullshit that you've been doing the whole time. You you want the same bullshit as the other people. So you're doing the same thing that the other let's say media because I'm not allowed to say has done. So until somebody says, which is what man is what is I'm trying to call you out in your bullshit because I hope I'm somebody you can trust. I don't fucking trust you.

Well, you should find people in your life. You can trust me. What I should do. I'm not one of your BLM marchers. Listen, I'm with you on the BLM a lot of organizations use tragedy it and and I watched the Candacea always documentary. What was your take on it? I think it's important to question the mainstream narratives, but I don't agree with it. I still believe that George Floyd died from the knee of the cop, not from Fentanyl. And even if that was the case, there's still 50% of black deaths is actually abortion. So let's get into engineering. Let's just go.

Because that's the... How do you fix that? Population control is social engineering. And it's most literal form. The blacks that are under population control, that's something that I mean that's just what it is. African Americans are not choosing to get the board. I mean it's a choice. It's an individual choice, but we're being influenced to. Well then speak to the community and help. I mean, I don't know what the engineering solutions there are. It could be you're doing that in part by speaking to the value and the power of family. Well, well, watch this.

I was building shelters. I bought land in Calabasas, I bought two ranches and Wyoming, 300 acres in Calabasas, 12, about two ranches in Wyoming. 300 acres in Calabases, 12,000 acres in total in Wyoming. And I started building ideas for shelters and God set it on my heart to make monasteries, which would be modern day facilities that don't turn people down, that have farms, that have shelter, clothing, but first of all,

water, first of all, knowledge, because knowledge is the most important resource to our species, above water, knowledge itself, because then you can go get water. I mean, you can argue like if you're a baby, how do you go out? But, but the baby doesn't have it, you know, so someone with the knowledge then feeds the baby, the water, but it's important that those with the knowledge teach the baby

how to find the water themselves. And the business people that I've been dealing with have been keeping the baby sick. By not sharing the information and the knowledge within side of those contracts, my people are sick. If I load up Apple music right now and I play the top songs in the rap chart, I would tell you my people are sick.

If I go to the restaurants and opportunity zones and we look at the calorie rating and the cholesterol, I would tell you that my people are sick. If we look at the obesity rate, if you go to just a restaurant somewhere in middle America, Dinnies or something, I went to Dinnies the other day, you will see that my people are sick and my people meeting all people, right? But black people are very influential to all people. So if the media picks a overweight black woman

that says this is body goals, then the media are influencing my people to stay sick. And it just so happens that that night, I was so frustrated after 20 years that I had to call it out in one tweet that now, even if I say, hey, okay, I was frustrated for these reasons. Now, it's not good enough. You've literally tried to make me re-apologize 10 times in this meeting. Resay this, resay that, but it doesn't change the fact that my people are sick and I'm the

only person in my position that will say that my people are sick. Today, not 30 years ago, not 60 years, my people are sick today. 50% of my people's of deaths are abortion today. My people don't have the opportunities today, even to the point that, because if J.P. Morgan have been nice to me and if Alex Klein and STEM player had been fair to me,

different things, then I wouldn't even point it out that we don't have any black, we have two black engineers. So I have to have a responsibility obviously to all people, but specifically to my tribe, because tribes, tribes move, you know, tribalism is real with black people to separate the brightest from the tribe or to separate the leaders. It is factual that the CIA removed the leaders from the black community, put crack leaders. It is factual that the CIA removed the leaders from the black community, put crack in the communities, put guns in the communities, and locked up all the leaders and called them gang leaders, right? Locked up all the leaders, locked up all the fathers. Now 72% of black mothers are raising children by themselves.

This is a gender like a Tuskegee experiment set on my people, right? And what I'm calling out for the black people in entertainment is, what are we doing? We have to collude. And if we don't collude because even if I said, Hey, I'd like to make a company that's all black. Right? Is that okay for me to say? Is that okay for me to say? Or is that anti-Semitic? See, if I hadn't crossed the line so far, then that would have sounded anti-Semitic. Now, I've stretched a bit, so now we can go to, okay, let's make a all black company.

But that would have been anti-Semitic, just that concept, because you could word that in a different way that would sound anti-Semitic. I don't know, man. I have to get it. No, no, listen, because you could work that in a different way that would sound anti-semitic. I don't know, man. I have to get you. No, no, listen, if you were, if I said I didn't want to have the Jewish people in the company, would that be anti-semitic?

It would sound like it, right? You'd say it from 1930s, right? Yeah. But for me as a tribe to say, no, I want a all black company, right? I'm generally against that kind of thing, but you, first of all, you have the right to do whatever, how you want to somewhere. Well, what I'm saying is that's what I feel may need to happen for my people to have power again,

because when my people have been left under the media's control, we've been made sick. We've been allowed to be sick, we've been promoting, and we're promoting sickness. I think, at least in the engineering realm, I haven't met an engineer who happens to be black, who would like to be called a black engineer. And when you have a company of all black people that are engineers, I don't know the creative arts, I apologize.

But engineering, they really tried to look at each other's humans and look at the problem and You want to know you want to have the confidence that everybody on the team is the best possible person for the job what I can say is the world is sick and I have slight images of Utopia slight images of happiness slight, slight images of happiness, slight images as a visionary and a creator. And I know for fact, the way that business deals have been done for me are keeping the world sick.

Fix them. I see that's what you're trying to do. And you probably, listen, people should not doubt. Yeah. But I gotta tell you, I have to be honest. I don't, this is silly because you don't know me, but it hurt when you say you don't trust me. You kind of lost me. I don't think anyone's ever said that to me. I don't know, man. Fuck that. You know, I'm not, I don't care about views or clickbait or any of that bullshit.

I just thought you were one of the greatest artists ever. I'd be cool to talk to you. And I just, I feel like you got pain you're working through. I never had anyone say that to me. I maybe I'm just being a mess about it, I guess. That's fucked up though. But maybe it's not.

Maybe you shouldn't trust it, but I just haven't had that experience. Yeah. Do you think I would trust anybody at this point in my life? Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. I hear you. And it's also kind of good to see how much strength you got.

You're not broken by any of this. You're under a lot of attack, a lot of attack by a lot of people. You have a vision and you're trying to feel your way through it. And you might get destroyed for it. That's the human, that's the risk you take. It's a wonderful life though. What do you hope your legacy is? To be forgotten.

You think you'll be forgotten. Because the memory, there's ego and memory in the memories who designed the sidewalk, who designed the water fountain, who designed the stop sign, who designed the stop light. These things are so ubiquitous that the person that designed them is forgotten. If it's a good idea, it's a God idea. And I don't know VCs can own it. So you want your designs in all realms of life to be so simple that they permeate everything. They take over and you are forgotten.

That's a successful design, is you're forgotten. Yes. You have advice for people, a lot, a lot, a lot of young people look up to you. You have advice for young people of how to live a life they can be proud of. Don't tweet why you're sleepy. Tick a nap. Surely there's other things. I love the humor. Don't take it seriously, I suppose. It's what that means. We don't send sleepy tweets. Unless you buy your own social platform the very next week, call a parlor.

But other than that, if you're not gonna buy your own social platform, then don't- Is that why you bought parlor's so you could be sleepy and send messages out into the wall? I actually really understand the engineering aspects of parlor. Is there a vision there?

Because I'm also super interested in Elon by Twitter. I like Instagram better than Twitter. And I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg liked Instagram better than Facebook or saw how valuable that was and he bought it. So you'd like to take parlor as something whatever is the magic that makes Instagram work, you want to push it there. Well, I thought it was interesting how it felt like Snapchat

made the Kardashians bully Instagram. What's the point of Snapchat going to war? Want to Instagram? Yeah, I mean, just everyone wants to say, well, this is our value Snapchat. You know, no one wants to lose their value to someone else's value, whatever. And it's like, and everything is just, what's the difference between permanent and temporary, you know, is just a permanent structure. And until God says it's not, you know, it's like nothing's permanent. Our life is not permanent. So how do we

just let go those things? Even like going from the name Kanye West C.A. was the beginning of just letting go of some things, of these titles. Like we need to remove the titles like, hey, if I have to leave Adidas and I have to go next computers that may take me out of the billionaire standing all together. And I got to get low for however long God says I have to get low and refocus. I've been reshaping, refocusing my staff. I had some people that were good and I had some people that weren't. I had too many people and I've got a vision inside of me and I'm like,

this is how I make this vision. I have to bring this vision to life. I have to bring these houses to life. I was talking to one of our architects on, we're actually getting close on it. I've like built it a few times. I had like the domes you probably saw, and I said, you know, few times. I had like the domes you probably saw and I said,

you know, how he transformed Kim's house. And no, we're getting there like, so you're getting to architecture. Like you really, you really want to become physical reality. Yes, and I've got close. Rome wasn't built today. Yeah, but Rome had to start somewhere. Yeah.

I got to call you out on the advice. There really is a lot of people that look up to you and you've lived a really difficult life and you made through all of it. What do you advise them to do? Do everything that you feel, even if you are told that it's the wrong thing. No, no, no, no, but not anything violent. So do what you feel, say what you feel. Like trust your heart. Yeah, trust your gut, trust your instincts because that instinct is who God made you to be.

Not, you know, what lines up with your life, fat brothers or what lines up with what your dad wanted or what lines up with your classmates or you know, it's just, God has something inside of you and when you walk down the street, you're thinking about it and then you just see it in the window and he go down another street and you see the same thing or you're thinking about a number and that number pops up or you see it on a license plate. And that's just, you know, some thing is trying to say, be the maximum. Yeah. You know, be the maximum you. And God won't give you anything that you can't handle. So for me, everything is a yes. I think they say be like water. I know Bruce Lee said that.

Or matter of fact, just be because we are beings with engineering opportunities. Beautifully put. Yeah, I have hope. I have faith that however this turns out that you have the skill and the capacity to really add love to the world. I hope you do that. I really, really hope you do that. And we talked about the tension of that, the challenges and the opportunities of that.

I mean, I see how we could be of use to each other. You actually have a particular thing for me as I eject from media. Because even also, you know, I'm really big at like, you know, burning the Phoenix too. All you know as an engineer that yourselves completely regenerate every seven years, I think I rushed the process a little bit.

So I've run around looking like a burn victim sometimes. Yeah, but I gotta tell you, anyone I'm close with, I work with, there has to be trust, there has to be love. And I think you've been burned quite a bit in your life. Sometimes I did it myself. I put my hand on the stove. So how do we get to engineering? Is a deal to be done here? Not saying you're making this money off of that, I'm making that money off, but there's, I don't care about money by the way. Same, twins.

So there's dealings here. You got pain, I got pain, but we're beings with engineering opportunities. For a long time, I thought somebody should create a new social network. And it looks like great engineering can do that. You got two at one time, from two of your homebues at one time. Yeah.

And that's a great way to mean every, you know, it can be done from scratch or it can be done a new within an already established platform. Yeah. Now I'm very excited by that possibility. Parlor is smaller, Twitter is larger. I wonder whether you can do any kind of revolutionary engineering with a large company. If anyone can, I would say it's Elon.

Well, Elon can look at what we do over here. That's why I like. God does this a lot of times. He creates double-gangers. There's a lot of examples where a theory happened to places at one time, a really similar type of personality happens at one time. It's weird, it's beautiful. It's hilarious actually. It's kind of humorous. So we should just share every piece of information together as I go build

every piece of information together as like as I go bill Parlor and as he builds up Twitter and see how to make both those better, but I'll be like hey, I'm not gonna let snapchat bully me out of You know adding something to it that's best. It should just be the best platform possible. That means that you you know, that means TikTok has amazing features. Twitter has amazing things about it. I know this girl that's like, I like Instagram better than Twitter. It's just, she likes that Twitter has porn. But other than that, Instagram. But I was like, well, Instagram is porn also. It's like, soft. It's more subtle, it's not telling you, it's not, it's not conservative by any means. You know, and I mean, that's the thing you have to please a lot of people with these

platforms. And I think the global platform should be to help individuals maximize their long-term happiness and growth, like intellectually, spiritually, psychologically, all of that. And it's a tricky thing to figure out how to do that. Of course, you could just have a platform just strictly for fun. I think that's where TikTok leans. But I think there's a balance to strike. Like Twitter, there's a lot of intellectual philosophical stuff going on on Twitter,

but it somehow currently makes it too easy to be divisive and hateful towards each other and cancel and all that kind of stuff. I think we need to have these healthy conversations. That's what it is. Healthy conversations, healthy dialogues. That's the biggest thing like, when I first wore the red hat,

the conversation is less healthy than it is today. The conversation about George Floyd, you know, it's like, did I send the tweet the right way? Did it, is Candace Owens documentary perfect? Is it what Michael Moore, is that documentary is perfect? Is Century Self? Is it fully accurate? You know, it's two to three hours of a transmit of information through, particularly usually one person's view.

And anything you want to research if you're interested in it, you got to look at 10 versions of it, 20 versions of it. George Floyd, we've looked at one version of that. Now we have a second. Well, by the time we get to the, I know this is like, it's not my last hoodie, but it's definitely not my first hoodie that I put on. It's like that's how we got to.

Like even this particular size is zipper or the fact that, you know, for people who know, they know that it's like car heart. Even though the car heart tag isn't there anymore, you just know by the shape of it, you feel it. So it abstracts, it takes into like this cubist place, like Picasso, Matisse or African cubism or Dyer Straice money for nothing and it takes for free. Look at that. Yeah, I wouldn't think you could reference Dyer Straits. Look at you. That video. Yeah, I know. It's a great video. That

is like your your encyclopedic knowledge of music is great. I think that you know porn is not just sexual That term actually relates to torture. Like, you have a saying, like watching people beat each other up on World Star or something, you know, it's like, that's called torture porn. And that- There's also food porn.

I explain that. What's food porn? Food porn is like looking at really delicious cakes and cookies and steak and so on. And you're like, holy shit. Exactly. Exactly. Architecture. Architecture.

Like this people who love architecture. When they see architecture, I know, I have friends that are like, oh that's porn. Yeah. Architecture. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, that's like love, like dopamine fueled love for the thing. Yeah.

We need, that's beautiful. I think that's beautiful. Well, I think, as long as nobody's getting hurt the intoxication that people have You know the worst part is like one person's in love and the other person's in like That's us right now Who's in like no because you said you love Bill Maher and you like me Not and I love you so that was I actually love you both

All right, all right and the funny thing is like as a As a visionary visionaries are more extreme than business people more extreme than business people. Because a visionary would do bad business for their vision. A business person will never do bad business.

So I'll put, yeah, really I'll put. So when you say, I don't care about money, it's like, yeah, I feel you. Like I feel that I care in a way that I need that. But I care about the way that I need that. But I care about the vision that I have to a Steve Jobs level to the point of putting that above my regular human existence, meaning having to go and take all the arrows that I become a soldier of division because someone could say a wife could say to like say like in the sixties. There are husbands about to go to war. The wife may not want their husband to go to war because of their children, but he's

going to war because of their children. Definitely. Do you regret any aspect of just giving everything to your vision? I mean, you've spoken about that saying like I got fucked over in the business side. I promise that I had to stop envying cool people at their current cool time. If anything, if someone's cool and I say their name a lot, I'm going to flash the light on them so much that it ages their coolness. It's actually a war technique, shawared in compliments. Yeah.

Because that that you, to be able to stay at 45 years old, to still be the bad kid in class at 45, I'm still in the principal's office, because if you look at, like say fashion, right? If you think of something fashionable, it's probably gonna look like the kid in the principal's office. That's gonna be the fashion, and that's part of the reason

why I'm the most influential person and fashion, and fashion, because I refuse to leave the principal's office. If the substitute teacher comes in, I'm gonna say, you got a big butt! Yeah. I'm gonna get, and they're gonna get in and, right back, right back to the principal's office. And people are gonna be like, yo, and that's what you can was saying,

like who can we talk to? Cause no one can talk to me. No, I'm out of control, bro. It's just God, then me. And then fuck everybody. You know what I mean? That's how I live my life. And I just wanna say this one thing about the children thing.

I wanna put that point together, put that point together, put that idea together, I don't like the word point. I'm really big on like words, words being powerful, says the person with the sleepy tweet. So full of contradictions. Yeah, I'm human being, right? It's like some days I'm like, I could go 30 days and be so little bit, you know, like really like,

I'm a monk, I'm being like faithful to God. And then I go like working out. No carbs like my weight will fluctuate. And I'll have times I'm like, I don't feel like being told what to do. So I don't want to work out with a trainer and I just want to drink this Tennessee. But I want to say this thing that I will text to Kim. Sometimes I'll say, you know, you may not understand what I'm doing right now, but you will. And that's what I would say to everyone. You may not understand what I'm doing. And

this gives a little bit, maybe we're like 20% there, but there's still going to be people we leave this interview. And they were like, I still don't like the way it apologized. I still don't want to say what my involvement would have been to make them lead them to that point. And we just want things to be how they are. There's people in the world who want the world to stay as it is. And there's people who want to change the world. And that's happened throughout time. They say that would DaVinci halfway into a conversation, he could not suffer fools so much

that he would walk away halfway into the conversation. And I said, well, that's why it's the DaVinci code and at the DaVinci world. And every time I go and piss off a group of people or do these things on some in. It's like I could be turning my thing from a potential world vision to a code. Or I could be opening up conversations with new friends that I may trust some day. Yeah, that's beautiful. That's beautiful.

That because the change you will have in the world, you don't know for sure, but it'll happen across Years even decades so you have to think in the future like you're working in the future your actions Are working in the future and a lot of people will judge this conversation and others you've done and so on in the present And that doesn't matter. You know why I apologize why I say I'm sorry to the Jewish people that I hurt It's not about like I said. Oh, I said I'm not gonna hold this apology Hostage right it's obviously it's about God, but God is everything right? So what's the point of having language and being you can't engineer if you say God God God right? It's like it's

God asks us to be judgmental so that you become if you're a doctor, right? It's your judgment that saves grandma, right? And God puts that in this, like we have God inside us where a piece of God also, right? So I'm gonna go specific to a person, that story about Davencia alone is enough of a reason for me to give us sincere apology to

the Jewish people because I do believe that there's a Da Vinci code inside of all of my misspellings and scribbles right here that God wants me to get to the world. And when I'm in my way, if God has set something on me, when I'm in my way, I'm in God's way. Now, I can point at other people and say, hey, you guys are in God's way because you're not listening to me, but if I'm in my way, I'm not listening to God. And for me to be a philosopher and a leader

or whatever other language, I have to listen to God. So before God, what I will do is start off as a samurai and say, I'm sorry for hurting you as a Jewish person. I'm sorry for the way that made you feel. And I'm sorry for the entire population of a race that I feel is actually my brothers because I classify and feel that I'm also connected with Christ in that way, that my people came from Africa in that way. And I can't say it's this exact teaching or that exact teaching,

but I feel that there's an important, the sons of Abraham, however we wanna word it, right? For us to come together and bring our different talents together to serve God collectively. And he, as much of an alien as I am, he does not cause me. He did not call for me to alienate. And that's what the problem has been, especially in politics and in America. He plays America as the TV, as the radio to the world. We invented rock and roll, right?

We are the influencers of the rest of the planet. We're the, we're the youngest startup in history, right? We're the youngest country, we're the youngest superpower, right? So for me, in my position, the fact that I can talk to Trump one day and be at a game with Kim Kardashian the next day and then be at Paris Fashion Week, they don't want me to be involved with language of decisive, divisive language, you know, proving that I can be just as racist as a racist white person. Oh, I can be a racist black person also.

That's not what God has called me to do. So how do I simplify and say, hey, to you as a visionary, as an engineer, as a person that's giving me a platform that as my brother, I wanna apologize to you for how that made you feel, and to the rest of the people that carry specifically that pain, not the pain that I talk about, that doesn't seem to be as much of a pain for people

when I talk about the abortion clinics and stuff. That's a argued pain even in my own community. Like not everyone thinks that's a pain. But for the Jewish community, it's collectively this was a pain. And I've gone so far just psychologically on this journey since that statement had happened where I didn't want to like give up the candy in my pocket. I didn't want to say, hey, I stuck my hand in the candy jar. I wanted to defend my freedom of speech.

I wanted to do this. But even with freedom of speech, pain is pain. Causing people to hurt is not helping. Causing people to hurt is not helping. Causing people to hurt is not helping. So that means I have to take a more sophisticated approach to engineering this problem, this problem is the opportunity. And yes, that what could some people may deem as a mistake? Would it be more genuine if I called it a mistake?

I think I would be hypocritical by calling a mistake with with the ending that the idea I'm gonna say out loud So I'm not I don't try to be a hypocrite on purpose So but I will call it a mistake to add a genuine to be genuine about the feeling. With that mistake, with me as a human being, not to justify, but I have to state that

God makes no mistakes, because if I hadn't made that mistake, I wouldn't be in front of you today. And that's not to justify this sleepy text. But I can tell you're a man that has love in his heart, and I hear that. I hear it through the words explicitly and implicitly. And I think if we're to engineer a better future, the way to do that is with love. So as one human to another, I love you brother. Thank

you for talking today. This is great. I like you too. Son of a bitch. Thanks for listening to this conversation with yay, formally known as Kanye West. To support this podcast, please check out our sponsors in the description. And now, let me leave you with some words from Yeh himself. Nothing in life is promised, except death. Thank you.