Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast - Episode 166 - The Namibian Genocide Part 2: Shark Island

Episode Date: July 26, 2021

The 2nd and last part of our series on the Namibian Genocide Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/lionsledbydonkeys

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Legion of the Old Crow today. And now, back to the show. Hello and welcome to yet another Lions Led by Jockeys podcast. And I am Joe, trying desperately not to laugh about a joke we were talking about off air. And with me today is liam hello liam ready to do it oh i missed it ready to do a genocide baby not not not you and me literally doing a genocide but ready to learn about genocide i've got my eager cap on i'm ready to learn about the unspeakable horrors of man's inhumanity to man doing a genocide is not in fact a new patreon goal uh although we know no i was gonna say we could go to war in south america no you know that's if the patreon gets operation condo round two baby liam and joe and all sorts

of unpronounceable places this is what happens when the the cia pays for our patreon sorry like thanks boys anyway today's sponsor is Dole Bananas sponsored by the United Fruit Company and there's just gunshots in the background actually saying today's episode was brought to you by Dole while I'm sitting in Hawaii is oddly apt

oh yeah congratulations on living on stolen land you ass right back at you, homie. No, this was paid for, sir. My house was covered in the original treaty. You mean like the original treaties that the Germans used to take land? Interesting. No, this one was fair.

This one, the Iroquois nation themselves have said this one was fair. This one specific treaty. I forgot about the Jewish branch of the Iroquois nation. My bad. That's me. That's me. Oh, God. Me and Liz Warren just chilling, you know?

Fuck. So when we left you. I'm just kidding. She's not Jewish. Or native, for that matter. She's just a mass hole. I just spit up my drink. I'm glad we could laugh at the beginning of this episode

because that won't happen again. We're not going to be laughing in a second. When we left you last time, the German colonial government had dispatched Kurt von Francois, the weirdestly named German guy I've ever heard of, and his security troop to destroy Henrik Whitboy, the local Namaqua chief that ruthlessly dunked on him and made the entire colonial enterprise of Germany look like shit on every turn. Also, he had the misfortune of being a black guy in a colony, which is never good if you want to survive. No. Of course, in order to support this, Francois and the colonial government did everything they could to push stories back home in the actual empire, not the colony, about how terrible the namaqua were which is interesting when you

think about it because they knew that like even the people back home would be really mad if we just slaughter these people uh oh no but dude they're okay so not to not to like put too fine a point on it but like the germans would be mad about slaughtering natives you might be shocked honestly you might be shocked about the the the german response uh to this is this gonna be some weird like white like white man's uh burden shit kind of i mean it's it's a lot like when you look at how i don't know uh sierra leone and uh uh a couple other places in africa have founded where like the least racist people in Britain were like, let's just send them back to Africa where they can be free.

It's like, fuck, you were so close. Yeah, we did. I mean, there's... Liberia exists. That's why it's called Monrovia. But it's like one of those situations where God damn, you guys are so close to getting it. I'm going to imagine

they did not get it. It was mostly a lot of situations like god damn you guys are so close to getting it um i'm gonna imagine they didn't they did not get it oh it was mostly and like you know like a lot of anti if you want to call it anti-racism i think the the word is a bit strong for this is based in religion you know they're like you know god said we're all equal and like well welcome to the german empire where we're not but um you know they were pushing propaganda uh effectively about how brutal nama attacks were um how if only they were bloodthirsty monsters and cannibals and you know not just some dudes who wanted the germans to leave them alone so yeah and you know it was they didn't need to spread this within the colony so much because the settlers knew what was going on.

I feel like the settlers of all people are already on board for a genocide like that. Yeah, like it's part and parcel, man. Like, like, imagine, if you will, a genocide train. They have now taken on water at the genocide train station and are just raring to go. I mean, that's exactly like what we talked about in the first episode with we were talking about Raphael Lemkin's concept of genocidal colonialism. It's like

he didn't have to change the name. It's implied, right? There's no other way to do this. So with that, Francois led his force of a few hundred men against what his scouts told him uh was the encampment of henrik whitboy himself and hundreds of his fighters at a place called horncrans uh this depends on who you believe regarding this event and because we

truly don't know i will tell both sides of this and i will uh make it pretty obvious which one i believe light and centrist, everybody. Now, one side is Henrik's fighters. Shot it out with the security troops until they broke out of the encirclement, running into the mountains. The other is the security troops bombarded Horned Crons for hours before sending in soldiers with

guns, finding it was just a civilian encampment, and Henrik's fighters had left for the mountains sometime before. What I do know is shockingly all of the dead bodies were unarmed uh which i'm sure leads to the second one yeah no they just they yeah they just killed a bunch of innocent people and we're like oh no we didn't know that we were bombarding them for hours not getting shot back at there's a there's a reason why this is known as like

the Horncrons Massacre and not like the Battle of Horncrons which I'm sure there is someone who would call it the Battle of Horncrons like there is people who insist that it is a battle of

wounded yes it was Steven Crowder actually yeah I fucking hate that guy man that it is some dickhead it's a battle of wounded yes it was steven crowder actually yeah oh god what a fuck i fucking hate that guy man i mean they're all grifters crowder's terrible like ben shapiro you can just sort of laugh at but like crowder crowder is sort of like dave portnoy but worse to me in that like everybody takes him so goddamn seriously like least of all himself like most of all himself i guess and i just like i i have fucking had it with the like debate me bros you know i that's just all once upon a time i i challenged him because he lives in michigan he's he's originally from canada

moved to michigan um and i i once challenged him to a charity fight um and i have to withdraw from that because it seems like his internal organs are beating his ass way harder than i ever could uh currently so now uh either way at the end of this at least 200 civilians were killed most of these were women and children uh which leads to uh the idea that henrik's men had withdrawn some time before it gives a little more a little bit more heft to that argument also you know there is some arguments like why would henrik abandon them uh undefended and it's seen at this point there hadn't been any large-scale massacres like he assumed that they were coming to fight them.

And if they would have fucked off into the mountains, they'd leave these people alone. I think Henrik, along with a lot of Herrero and Nama at this point, realizing that things are changing. Right. Right. So they're not. So they're just. Yeah. Okay.

It shifted from a war phase to a genocide. And we'll get significantly more explicit in those orders later on. And we already have one. Remember, the object of this mission is to destroy the tribe of the Whitboy, which was Francois' order. That's an extermination order. Right. He wasn't to destroy the fighters.

He wasn't there to kill Henrik. Those were additional goals, but their total goal was annihilation. And this is reinforced afterwards. In an interview with a German newspaper, one of Francois' soldiers repeated those orders when asked about them, saying, quote, After three days' march, we camped in a valley of tangled rocks on April 11th. It was here that our captain told us that he had decided to destroy the tribe of Henrik Whitboy. So they're just now openly

doing it. Oh yeah. I'll call this the first step. This isn't a complete extermination order of the Namaqua people because there's various different tribes. That's coming. This is a regionalized one. Afterwards, Horncrantz dominated

headlines in Germany. Francois justified his actions against the nama as militarily crucial in interviews after the battle he that's right no dude i mean remember you just killed a bunch of people after wounded knee we gave up medals of honor that have yet to be rescinded yes oh they're never taking it back man i remember like you telling nick that and him being like what and bb yeah they're never fucking giving a man i remember like you telling nick that and him being like what and bb yeah they're never fucking giving a bet like no oh you still collect a pension from like the battle of the fucking bed jesus wept the massacre wounded um if someone was still alive probably

yeah uh now hi great i love this country i do know that the military historians do not call it the battle of wounded knee uh they They rightfully call it a massacre. And cavalry units, from my understanding, have striked it from their heraldry, which is about as progressive as you can imagine the U.S. military being in that, in the whole Western expansion era. Yeah. We took out the words, they had it coming.

Yes. Now, in interviews after the battle, Francois praised the quote excellent non-commissioned officers and writers for Germany's victory and portrayed the shots troop as the only barrier between quote civilization and savagery

great that's fucking terrific now Henrik survived as I said you know he ran off from the mountains and he offered his own account on the assault to a letter to John J clever Cleverley, the British magistrate in Walvis Bay, which he condemned Kaiser Wilhelm II for, quote, sending his soldiers to Africa to kill innocent women and children. I do not think so great a power in men and ammunition, so mighty a captain of civilized power would make war with such smart, esteemed people as mine. of civilized power would make war with such smart, esteemed people as mine. To steal upon me

in my sleep, the little children and women and men Francois has murdered. I previously could not think this possible of a white man. You, uh, I know you just got here, bud, but, uh, white people are pretty fucking terrible. I see what he's doing, though. I totally

see what he's doing, because remember, he's writing this letter to a white guy, and it's going to be published almost and it was published in the uk or the empire at the time whatever uh so he's appealing to the you know the the superiority of white men like you think you're so great and this is what you do like look at the hell that you've brought my people right um and remember he was doing that when he uh was writing german papers as well because you know he was appealing to christianity even though i mean you know lutheranism was always uh i believe the dominant religion in germany but like protestantism whatever i i don't care but either way yeah protestants are terrible people i don't know uh to the surprise of well me and probably you keep that in nate you keep

that in nate someone's gonna burn something in northern ireland with your name on it now um yeah it's liam it's pretty common i'm sure somebody already has man just a big fucking effigy of my face i mean honestly send me a picture if you burn an effigy of me send a picture to me i want that as my background uh if you ever burn you burn an effigy of me, send a picture to me. I want that as my background. If you ever burn a burn an effigy of any hosts of this show, please send us pictures and videos so we could make it our banner. To the surprise of me and probably you, Henrik's account was read and widely believed in Germany rather than Francoise. Oh, wow. Do we know why uh because he seemed uh

i don't know like he wasn't bending like he wasn't spitting out propaganda that he had no reason to lie right right now it didn't matter though remember germany skipped over democratization it never occurred they have a kaiser right uh. And like between the Kaiser and the chancellor, they've, I mean, the, the, they've already made up their mind.

The Reichstag is largely nothing. It can't do anything. So like, it didn't matter. Horrific. Great. Cool. Roll tide.

You know, problems with empire and all that. So there are problems with empire. Depends on who you are. My name is Steven Crowder and i'm a canadian hello and welcome to prager imperialism bad have you thought good actually just roll i'm just like all right listen listen i like and i understand i you know you were telling me about the nuances of throwing the word capo around but like he's a

fucking capo stop appeasing these people like is it just so you can be first you get cut seas to the death camp lines like when they take like when fucking America first takes power and we all have to go like to the concentration camps and so Dennis

Prager give me fucking first I mean it's like the there's a an assyrian armenian uh guy who um his first name is kvork i can't remember his last name starts in an a uh he went to um germany as a refugee even though he loved assad um and then started hanging out with the AFD, you know, neo-Nazi organization, which hilariously got him deported right back to the dictator. He loves so much. Smart, smart guy.

You know, in an episode, I got with Nazis. I can't emphasize that at all. Yeah. In an episode, we are going to say many bad things about Germany. At least they deported that guy.

And, you know, like I said, I don't agree with borders in general, but until that day comes, fuck that guy in particular. Sincere, dude. And I can say that. I'm Armenian. Fuck him. I fucking, dude.

I was in Germany I was just like oh man like they can smell it on me they can smell it on me and you land at Frankfurt and they're just like you will be taken to terminal 5 for processing and you're like no I fucking won't stamp your passport bust out calipers like wait

I thought we this this says you didn't shine on it according to the size of your brain You must go down this walkway Oh god I don't want to go into The cattle chutes Now

All of the arguments For Henrik Whitboy were spun against him By the pro-colonial Side they argued that Henrik Whitboy's tribe had clearly become friends with the British on all of their correspondence with the British.

There was a British warship called the Magpie that showed up in Walvis Bay. Did it do anything? No, it just kind of sat there. So what's the fucking problem? Look, it's just sitting there menacingly. Hey, and they called us assholes. And Henrik escaped

colonial authorities, and they assumed the only way he could ever pull that off is if white people were helping him. More specifically, the British, right? The British, sure. The Germans were worried that as long as he remained free, it was not only seen as a failure of the colonial authorities,

not the empire, of course, because this is on the colonial authorities plausible deniability city baby and they were worried that you know he could run off to the british and be used um as some kind of pawn by them which sure but i that it was never going to be a situation where they side with henrik whip boy overthrow the colonies, and put a black guy in charge. That would be tight, though. It would be tight if they had done that. The Brits own

the next colony to the right of Namibia. Also South Africa. So yeah, not happening, guys. But since Francois was still in charge in the colony uh he decided to murder his way to peace and cool cool cool what small problem here he failed right uh he failed in murdering his way to peace and murdering hundreds of tribesmen while obviously evil, immoral and all of the other words.

It did more than that. It made the settlement look unsafe. This hurts. Henrik wearing a shirt in battle that says bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity. He hurt investments like, whoa, whoa wow look at this huge battle that it could be bad so he got fired for fucking with the money not for genocide oh okay yeah yeah dude is this uh this isn't still uh goring's dad is it no no no there's too many people running together for me francois got, and he was replaced by a guy

named Theodore Lutwein. Now, he would become governor and security troop commander, a job that kind of molded together under Francois that hadn't previous to that in April of 1894. Now, Lutwein was weird.

He believed in a strong... He was German, Joe. Fair enough. I'll give you that one. He believed in a strong He was German, Joe. Fair enough. I'll give you that one. He believed in a very strong central colonial government, much like the central imperial government of Germany. And as such, investments were strained because of

the massacres. Doing genocide, yes. It's going to hurt the bottom line. Don't fuck with the money stop fucking with somewhere i can't imagine walking to someone's office at like for them to fire you i'd be like no no i don't care that you brutally murdered like 800 people

but it's a meme of the of the guy rubbing sweat on his forehead with two buttons but it's like do a genocide uh get money and it's a german um now i hate these fucking people man i hate germans but it's like do a genocide, get money, and it's a German. Now... I hate these fucking people, man. I hate Germans. Leave that part in too, Nate.

You know, I... I'll just move on. Louvine saw a... Also, I know there's going to be Germans that say I'm pronouncing his name wrong. I'm sure I am. I tried to find a decent pronunciation guide to this, and I couldn't because German warps those for me. He decided the best way to centralize the government authority was to purchase all these private land holdings and businesses that were struggling due to the lack of investment, and then put them on the colonial administration.

struggling due to the lack of investment, and then put them on the colonial administration. And this would allow more settlers to see that their entrepreneurial efforts were backed by the government. Even if they failed due to genocide, you'd be fine. But he also knew he'd have to make peace with Henrik witboy and he favored diplomacy rather than war in order to do so now thanks guys don't think if he's as a good person we'll talk about never mind we'll talk about this the reason later because while i was reading him like you know for a colonial dickhead this is about as good as it gets rapidly proved me wrong later on. In February 1894, Lutwin wrote to Whitboy about Francois' dismissal

and expressed his desire to establish a lasting peace between Germany and the Namakwa people. He said, quote, in consideration of the gallantry shown by yourself and your men, I hope we can work out

favorable conditions. If you will cooperate in this final chance to put an end to the bloodshed. Three months later, Lutwein explained that, quote, Germans do not intend to wage war against your people, but instead wish to work together in peace with you. I therefore hope that your people will accept my pledge and they will return to their homes with my permission. Wow, how noble of you guys, right? Thank you. Thank you. Thanks dude. That's what I've been waiting on here in the land.

I've always lived in. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for allowing me to go back to my home. You fucking prick in his reply. This wallpaper just says suck a dick Germany on it. I make sure to fly a flag outside of my house. It's just a burning German flag around the clock.

I go through a lot of flags. It's honest work. In his reply, Whitboy congratulated Lutwein in his promotion and acknowledged that renewed discussions offered a greater prospect for peace. But he also reprimanded Lutwein for what he considered a quote, unwarranted assault against my people, and remarked that any peace would, quote, require more than a few

minutes or a single day to arrange. Yeah, that's reasonable. I would like more than a crisp apology for the genocide, please. This led to months of discussion between the two men. According to both men, they actually became friends, admiring each

other's ability to make their arguments about their own side. But as you can imagine, they can never agree on simple ideas such as Henrik's demand for freedom and Europeans to fuck off back to Germany. It's a hitching point, I guess. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. I just love the idea of like, what are your terms? It's like leave. And the other term is just like, oh, we can't do that.

It's like, OK, we've already invested just like, ah, we can't do that. It's like, okay. We've already invested so much money here. It says leave in capital letters. I wrote this in blood. That doesn't come off easily. I will write more. Ludwein using some German

captured soldier as a giant sharpie. Get me a knife. I have to put this in italics. Ah, fuck. Ludwein during all of this was shit on by his fellow soldiers a giant sharpie get me a knife i have to put this in italics ah fuck lute vine during all this was shit on by his fellow germans for being too easy on the africans remember too easy here means not killing them not genocide yeah and by all accounts lute vine wasn't more of i would consider baseline racism for the day he was racist i mean he was a white colonial administrator he was german yeah sure also also that yeah i mean come on man i know it's both but like my people were genocided by the germans i'm gonna take my shots at them

yeah i mean it's i would consider him as racist as any europe during the time outside of, I don't know, Belgium. Uh, he treated Henrik at least on paper as a peer, not a rebellious tribesman. And he did not talk down to them and loot. I mean, thing, things could only go one way. And that was Lutwein's way because he was the colonial administrator of the

German empire. Right. After five months of discussion, he wrote to Henrik again, the fact that you do not want to submit to the German empire. Right. After five months of discussion, he wrote to Henrik again. The fact that you do not want to submit to the German Empire is not a sin, nor does it make you guilty, but is extremely dangerous

for the stability of the territories currently under German protection. Therefore, my dear captain, all further letters in which you do not offer your surrender are in vain. I do hope, however, you will agree that the war we now face

will be fought in a humane way which is i'm just making the i'm just making the jerk off motion i need you to know that that's what i'm doing yeah i mean that and the the concept that uh conquering european power to actually treat um african soldiers with respect that they would treat other Europeans as unique. Sure they will. They won't, but he says he will. Hey, you know. But after the massacre at Horncrantz and the brutal policies of Francois, the Whitboy tribe had not recovered. The security troops were able to quickly surround him and force his fighters to surrender.

Where, to his word, at least yet, the Germans did not treat them harshly. And from there, German administration of the colony only grew. Henrik, previously one of the colony's greatest enemies, finally signed a protection order and worked as an arm of the security troops to help put down other tribes. The German power base grew and expanded and institutional power grew with it, such as the expansion of railroad settlements and government offices. The railroads one will become... Trains! I'm going to assume they're going to be used for nefarious purposes.

That's right, baby. Oh, why do I like trains? You want to guess where the Nazis got their ideas on how to use trains? It wasn't the Ottoman Empire. It's because they did it already in africa round two now this is what lutevine wanted and all this made the governing colony much easier for him as the natives were slowly being absorbed into systems where they'd be treated terribly um now

this is pretty much apartheid um it's the easiest way to explain it is that he forced apartheid onto them and if you did not submit to apartheid you were box the easiest way to explain it is that he forced apartheid onto them. And if you did not submit to apartheid, you were boxed out and forced to flee the colony altogether. Now, all of the best land at this point is owned by Germans. So there's not much left. For many, if not most of the native population, the ability to live outside the colonial government quickly became impossible, which was the point. The natives could not own land within the administration and those outside it saw settlers

getting closer and closer. Before long, they probably assumed they too would have their land taken. Their cattle, the lifeblood of the lifestyle of both the Herero and the Nama, were taken by settlers as well. While there were colonial courts that natives could possibly complain to, by the law

of the colonial administration one white person's word was as good as seven natives at no point did they ever overturn a land dispute welcome welcome to colony very slightly better than nothing just kidding welcome to not

a death camp yet not a death camp yet baby like just hurriedly hiding the side that says death camp yet. Not a death camp yet, baby. Like, just hurriedly, hurriedly hiding the side that says death camp. Things get more tense as instances of outright racist violence became more widespread. In one case,

a German trader got drunk and attempted to rape the wife of a Herrero captain. Who remembers? Captain means chief. Then, she resisted the assault, and he shot her dead this made just about a fucking asshole he's dick uh this made everyone mad as you can imagine the germans considered him a race traitor for attempting to rape a black woman and what okay that oh what really okay and the native population was shocked because you know it was one of those things like

if this could happen to the wife of a captain it could fucking happen to anyone right like the captains are supposed to be untouchable even to the germans because you need them to pacify the population on your behalf right and also that woman was the daughter of another captain so like this is hitting all sorts of different strings here. Now, the colonial court dismissed the charges against the man, saying he was temporarily insane. I assume temporarily all the way until the body hit the ground.

Yeah. No, he fucking wasn't. Ludwine had to intervene personally to make sure the man was actually charged and convicted during a second trial, which also pissed off the German population in the colony and Germany itself because he took the set of Africans over

a German. You can't see it, but I'm just like hitting my head into my mic stand. In other situations where Germans would beat servants or workers to death, they were also treated leniently, never being sentenced to more than three years imprisonment, while normally being released only six months

later in contrast if you were say an African and a white man attempted to murder you and you fought back you routinely flogged to death yay go it's humane god damn

that's right what many questions that could be easily answered by my it's humane god damn it that's right many questions that could be easily answered by my it's humane god damn it shirt yeah but ludwig didn't want to do genocide so he's the good guy is what like some historians like to show slow motion genocide is still genocide

30% of a forest fire is still a forest fire you do not in fact have to hand it to the guy who implemented apartheid no you don't. And I think he implemented it first. This is the... He's a pioneer, Joe.

That's right. He is a disruptor of human rights. Innovation. It's just some guy getting flogged. He's truly the Elon Musk of human rights. Well, that is terrible. It wouldn't set the colony on fire again

like the next move by Lutevine would in 1903. While planning for another line in the local railway, it was decided that it would cut straight through Herrera and Namaqua lands, dividing them on either side. If that wasn't bad enough, the populations would then be moved to, wait for it,

reservations. Did they get that from us? Probably. You're welcome. Which in true historical American style would be shitty land, not good enough to grow anything, which is why the Germans would be

fine giving it up. Yeah. Now, at this point, the Africans had ceded more than 50,000 square miles to the Germans in various different agreements in order to secure protection, sovereignty, in some case, just access to food and water. Yeah, we did that too. Yeah.

At the same time this was happening, Lutfein decided to the local money lending policies had been horrifically unethical and decided to stop them. Now you see, at this point, the natives were trying desperately to assimilate into German society, hoping that going with the flow of things would make

their life slightly less terrible. And all they did was get exploited along the way. That's crazy. I can't believe the Germans would do that to them in order to work within this world these natives had to get money which they had no use for before so they could go to these German

money lending places and take out loans to buy tools there and if the Germans had fucking loan sharks part of your genocide is loan sharking how high you want to guess these these interest rates were i don't know 40 very high yeah more money than the natives would ever make in a lifetime now this is actually a how are you such a dick that loan sharking is part of your

genocide now the incredible part is this is actually a two-time grift now the people lended money to the africans knowing they would never be able to pay them back because they had no money or belongings. So the money lenders would then make a claim with the colonial administration and then be paid by the German government. This is a grift that literally did not hurt the natives at first because they were never going to make any money. That's how the colonial administration works you sell them tools on loan so then you can make money from your own administration on losses and these people work as you know less than sharecroppers um on land that used to be theirs right um it's not all of them had become slaves yet um they were slaves with extra steps as i think how i

explained uh apartheid before but uh but in the the moneylenders didn't give a shit they were making out like they're making mad bank because the government had to assure their loans because if they didn't everything would collapse and lutevine wanted this shit to be centralized made everybody depend on the government so it was a good grift all around until lutevine actually looked at the details and was like man we're losing a lot of money on these loans you can't do that anymore this led to a massive problem and i don't want to give lutevine credit he probably didn't see this coming because he's a fucking idiot he's like like, no, I ended the bad loans. Bad loans stop now, right? Now here comes the problem.

When he ordered this to stop, the last of the payments had to be made on these loans within the end of the year. And anything after that, anything you owe these money lenders would just be voided. Right? Oh, we did a jubilee. The loans don't exist everybody's free of debt problem solved right the government and if you're a money lender the government's no longer

going to be picking up the tab for your shitty grift alone that you knew you weren't going to get money from i i wasn't ready for the genocide to have load sharking and then a jubilee okay all right all right i'm strapped in baby so thelender simply went out and hired mercenaries, many of them the local soldiers of the security troop. And then walked out to the African lands where they were working and ripped anything up that they could sell in order to make money on the debt. Some of those were people. So wait, say that again. So they took the soldiers. They hired the soldiers from the security troop.

again so they they took the soldiers they hired the soldiers right from the security troop um you know uh and then went out to where the africans were working to steal everything they owned to make up for their debt if that wasn't enough they simply took their children oh cool fucking great okay now this had something should have just left it a jubilee man yeah and moot vine was like hmm i didn't see that one coming. Can I get the drop, please? I know you want to use it. Just give me the drop. Okay, so this drop I have prepared for you is former president

of the United States, Lyndon B. Johnson ordering pants over the phone. And it might be one of the best pieces of comedy I've ever heard. And it's kind of long, so it's probably a little over a minute. Here it is. I need about six pairs

to wear around in the evening when I come in from work. And I can send you a pair. I want them a half inch larger in the waist than they were before, except I want two or three inches of stuff left back in there so I can take them up. I vary 10 to 15 pounds a month.

So leave me at least two and a half, three inches in the back where I can let them out or take them up, and make these a half inch bigger in the waist. Make the pockets at least an inch longer. My money and my knife and everything fall out. We just... Now, another thing, the crotch down where your nuts hang is always a little too tight. So when you make a move, give me an inch that I can let out there because they cut me. It's just like riding a wire fence.

These are almost the best that I've had anywhere in the United States. But when I gain a little weight, they cut me under there. a wire pin. These are almost, these are the best that I've had anywhere in the United States. But, when I gain a little weight, they cut me under there. So, leave me,

you never do have much margin there. Let's see if you can't leave me about an inch from where the zipper ends under my,

back to my bunghole. So I can let it out there if I need to. I love it so much. I just love that the president is somehow gaining and losing 15 pounds a month. It's just like a... His knife is falling out of his pockets and his

giant cartoonish dick is too big for his pants. Prepare to be jumbo. The most powerful man in the world saying the word bunghole will never not be funny to me. This is a man with a nuclear coat. Yes.

Yeah. It's just like a burping slob. I see him in plaid pajama pants. It's just incredible. It's one of the greatest things I've ever heard in my life. Which, you know, that got declassified or whatever because him and Nixon alike both loved recording everything. So I really am curious how many other like gold mines are out there that we don't know about that's the funniest shit

I've ever heard oh I love it so much that's staying on the soundboard for future use or maybe just him burping or saying bunghole on the two now when you have armed formations of debt collectors you know

kneecappers or whatever showing up to your home and stealing your children, your hatred for Germans turns to hopelessness, right? Like, what can we possibly do to continue living here, right? Guerrilla attacks. Oh, that's coming. And then with that that, opportunity. In the south of the colony, another tribe was resisting German efforts to surrender their weapons, leading to an outbreak of violence. At this point, things with the Herero and Namakwa had been what the administration considered pacified. So, Lutwein did not consider them a threat whatsoever. So when this thing popped off in the south,

he personally led the vast majority of the security troops south to put down this latest rebellion, leaving the rest of the colony virtually unprotected. Really rooting for this guy to get a bullet between the eyes. I wish that happened. I know it doesn't. I'm just saying. This finally sparked the herero tribe under the command of samuel amaha harrow to rise up and revolt he wrote a letter to henrik whitboy

even though they had been fighting each other for years and at one point one had been used against the other by the germans to put them down saying they should both forget about their how they previously worked for the germans and their fight against one another and unite together to fight the colonists and forget their decades of bad blood. He ended the letter with, let us die fighting. Badass. Yeah. And in 1904, Mahairo's rebellion swept through the colony

with almost every major and minor tribe joining in, descending upon unguarded settlements with revenge on their minds. In January of 1904, Herrero fighters attacked the town under strict orders, not to target women, the, uh, the British,

the clergy or children. That's too many things. And they still killed 123 people, uh, and we delayed their corpses. Now I do, I do have to say... I get it.

I get it. Now, it's kind of like the Zulu thing where people are like, oh, they mutilated the British corpses and all this other stuff. Well, it's like there's very specific reasons for this. In Herero society, and I believe in Nama society, there are specific mutilations you did to people who you considered cattle thieves to make sure other people never stole cattle again.

Cutting off ears, lips, noses, things like that. And that's what they did to the Germans because they consider them cattle thieves. No, they did that while they were still alive and then they cut their throats. I'll excuse it. It'sroats yeah i'll excuse it it's rude you know

but i'll excuse you want my sympathy don't be a settler don't do a genocide yeah exactly and admittedly he had significantly more restraint than any german military formation in say i don't know the next 40 odd years because he specifically did not target innocent people. Now, well, innocent men, women, or children. Women, children, and British people. Because remember, the Brits were their

allies. Kind of. But if you were a man and you weren't a child, you're fucked. In which case, bye. It's unfortunate, but whatever. This just says sucks to suck on it. Yeah, you were in the fucking around part of Empire, now you're in the finding out.

Herrero and Nama fighters raided post offices and burned government buildings while soldiers were miles away in the south. Herrero used this opportunity to raid government storehouses and weapons and ammo, replacing a lot of, not a lot, not all of their traditional weapons. Back in the German

Reichstag, they openly demanded violent revenge against the Africans. This is where things get real Nazi adjacent. Fantastic. Racial scientists were brought in in front of the German leadership to explain how the Herreras were, quote, mere brutes who were innate criminals incapable of culture. Newspapers ran stories about how Herrera fighters raped and tortured German women, which never happened.

But that didn't stop the stories from being heard around the world right across the western world like these ended up all over the place weren't they just believing about Henrik's tribe not Henrik Henrik Ripley yeah Henrik Ripley's tribe and believing him

like how far apart are Henrik's letter and a couple years. Publishing companies... I hate these fucking people. What if I told you that there was genocide trading cards? I believe you

and be horrified and unfortunately kind of intrigued. Publishing companies printed violent racist trading cards that showed acts of imagined violence against Germans in Africa. These were packaged with soap, chocolate, and other normal goods to be traded by children. Why? Why?

They're for kids. What's a kid going to do? Like eight years old, like, yeah, I'm volunteering to go defend the honor of my people in the white race. I like how your Germans immediately sound like they're from alabama i can't do german a trading card display the herero people is writing and rebelling against the german colonizers to depict them as dangerous showing the herero looting the home of a german man the house burning and a german dead and dead in a pool of blood outside.

Good. The Herrero are seen as carrying bundles of valuables as visual proof of theft. And it shows that cartoonishly racist version of Africans, Africans committing violence against innocent German women. It's like blackface shit, like, uh,

like minstrel type propaganda. Of course it is the kaiser himself demanded retaliation and lutevine responded he finally redeployed his security troops back north right into the waiting arms of the herrero fighters they knowing the land like the back of their hands waited for the waited in an elevated firing position for the germans to come back and the germans underestimated their enemy thinking to be, you know, untermensch and walked right into multiple ambushes over and over

again. Good. Within the first few months of the rebellion, nearly 10% of the entire security troop had been killed and they had not managed to pin down the Africans and force them to fight them like in a stand up fight, which is stupid. Nobody wants to do that. Instead down the Africans and force them to fight them like in a stand up fight which is stupid nobody wants to do

that instead the Africans would ambush them steal their shit and run back into the mountains what is incredible is that through all of these skirmishes their Herrero fighters were hardly armed or supplied remember they did steal some guns but they're pretty limited like they said

around 20 cartridges per weapon when they stole them so they're pretty much gone already right so these guys had to like run up and club Germans to death which is kind of funny so hey what's up guys oh this bat with spikes on it no this isn't for you

I see your bolt action rifle and I raise you this cricket bat with a nail in it oh Gunther hello just the man i was hoping for uh and eventually they would get more and more guns but they were always badly out out armed uh and you know the germans had they didn't have machine guns there yet but they did have pieces of field artillery so like yeah they was they have lost, but they did it pretty much every turn. Ludwein wrote to Maha Ero,

asking him to put his weapons down and face no repercussions, telling him that if fighting continued, the war would be taken out of his hands and the full weight of the German military would be sent to Namibia to deal with him. He did this independent of the German government who wanted him to prosecute this war

until they achieved final victory, which you remember in this case probably means them all dying or being enslaved. Now, Mahairo knew this was going to be the case, but told him that it was better to be a dead man than continue living under German oppression. And unfortunately, it turned out both of them would be right. Lutwein was fired and replaced by an absolute fucking psychopath named Lothar von Trotha. That's a good villain name. I will give him that. I will say that he definitely

lives up to his name. I assume he is a genocidal dickhead. And someone that is unfortunately championed in World War I military historian circles that don't... Cool. You guys have gotta to fucking stop. It's one of those situations where they look at what he did on military

campaign during World War I and then stop anything before that. But he had made a name for himself committing war crimes in the name of the German Empire across most of the world. He had fought in German East Africa and commanded troops during the Boxer Rebellion, during which

time his incredible violence has seen it so horrific and disgusting that other allied nations didn't want to fight with him as part of the Eight Nation Alliance. Wow! Yeah. Wow! If you remember back to our

Russo-Japanese War series, the Boxer Rebellion is where Kaiser Wilhelm goes off the deep end as far as his racism is concerned. Pretty openly, yeah. And Trotha was like, yeah, alright, let's do that. Let's do the racism. Now,

when Trotha arrived in Namibia in June of 1904, he brought with him tens of thousands of soldiers, as well as modern rifles, machine guns, and artillery. Whereas Lutwein, for all of his faults, did not see a strictly military way of ending the conflict, trying throughout to get sides to simply go home and then go back to how things were. Trotha was the exact opposite. He was a hardcore racist and a eugenicist. Upon taking command of the colony, he said, quote, I know enough about the tribes in Africa.

They all have the same mentality insofar as they yield only to force. It was and remains my policy to apply this force by absolute terrorism and even cruelty. I shall destroy the rebellious tribes by shedding rivers of blood and money. Only then will it be possible to sow the seeds of something new that will endure. Jesus fucking Christ, dude. That's right.

It's, it's kind of incredible that he was saying these things openly, even, even for back then, even for him. Yeah. I mean, the guy's so racist,

the colonial powers wouldn't work with him. Lute Vine's goal had been pacification uh which was made very obvious uh when trotha got to the colony that uh so this this is the part where i said don't worry you'll see how bad lute vine is apartheid was bad enough obviously um When Trotha got to the colony, Lutwein reminded him that whatever you do, remember you should leave enough Africans alive to be used as slave labor. Because that's what he saw them as. Lutwein saw them as slave

labor. He didn't see them as people. He would treat them as people to get them to work for him and then enslave them. That's what his ultimate goal was. Trotha declined, saying that the only option was extermination to remove them as a threat to the German settlement. And as soon as he got to the colony,

he's unleashed a terror that I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. Random black people would be subject to random violence. In the capital of Wynhoek, Africans were chosen at random and hung as a warning in public

dude his soldiers terrorized the city and countryside dragging anyone they captured back to be hung as well and their corpses would be left up for days in order to scare the African public in one case three gallows were built and used to hang over 300

people at one time. By this point, even though they were winning, the Herrero were exhausted and low on supplies. And even though the last governor kind of sucked at his job at putting them down, he had cornered them and pretty much nearly destroyed them at the Waterberg Plateau. The Herrero, numbering nearly 60, mostly civilians or forces surviving grass and a very dwindling supply of water by by i mean like the rebel army was mostly not an army it was just people running with the armed force right like their camp followers and families the vast majority of these 60 000 people were unarmed troth, wanting to end the war, spent three months shipping soldiers and equipment to the area.

By August, the Germans had surrounded their Herero on three sides. What do you think on three sides, not four? So when they run away, they could square them in even further. Something really fucking depressing was the fourth side of a cliff, was the fourth side, I don't know,

a boiling vat of acid, was the fourth side just cliff? Was the fourth side, I don't know, a boiling vat of acid? Was the fourth side just like a pit of rocks and spears? I hate this game. You have the right idea. The fourth side was the wasteland expanse of the Kalahari Desert. Oh, okay. That is when Trotha made his intentions very clear

in what he intended to do next, and he published his first extermination order to the Hereros themselves. It said, quote, I, the great general of the German soldiers, send this letter to the Hereros. The Hereros are the German subjects no longer. They have killed, stolen,

cut off the ears and other parts of the body of wounded soldiers and are now too cowardly to want to fight any longer. I announce to the people that whoever hands me, this chief shall receive 1000 marks and 5,000 marks for Samuel Mahairo. The hero nation must now leave the country. If it refuses, I shall compel it to do so with long tube,

which means cannon. Any Herrera found inside the German frontier with or without a gun or cattle will be executed. I will spare neither women nor children. I shall give the order to drive them away and fire on them. Such are the words to the Herrero people. Now, what happened next is generally called the Battle of Waterbird. It was not a battle.

The better armed trained... Steven Kramer, where are you at? That's right. Steven von Trotha. The better armed trained and led German soldiers moved into the Hero encampment, shooting anything that moved. There was some token defense put up by defenders,

and most of them didn't even have guns. They hadn't camped out there to fight, and so they were simply waiting for the Germans to respond to their peace efforts, but those responses wouldn't come. Tens of thousands were driven into the desert, which was Trotha's entire plan from the beginning. As the Herero retreated into the desert, von Trotha ordered the Schutz troop to block any

and all exits, then sent others to the desert to prevent the Herero from accessing water holes, poisoning them and shooting anybody who came near them. This ensured that the Herero, who were forced to flee into the desert without any provisions, would die there. Now this is done with the reason that would eventually come back to the annals of German genocidal violence. Trotha knew many, not all of his soldiers, would have a problem shooting women and children. When one of his soldiers showed concern at being asked to do so, Trotha insisted they still had to die because, quote, they infected German troops with their disease.

So by sending them into the desert to die, it wouldn't be at the hands of his own men. This is like that firing squad thing with the blank bullet. It just... I mean, it's exactly as when you watch the evolution of the Holocaust, you saw this.

Yeah. You saw the reserve police battalions and the death squads eventually break down into alcoholism and suicide for shooting people. And the Germans said, well, we can't keep doing that. They're not shooting people so good anymore. So that led to gassing. It was the exact

same evolution just beforehand. When the shots troop came across Herrero men, women, and children lying near death, they're instructed by Von Trotha to finish them off with bayonet and clubs to save ammo. Alright, I surrender. Can I get an animal fact, please?

You're so close. That means I have to find some. No, you know what? It's fine. I'm good. Go. Go ahead. Too late. Too late. This one's for the fucking listeners. This is going to get worse. Oh, great. Sorry. You're's for the fucking listeners. This is going to get worse. Oh, great. Sorry. You're welcome, actually. Listeners.

I should be open in the fact that the animal facts are never for my guests. When playing with female puppies, male puppies will often let them win, even if they have a physical advantage. Say that again. When playing with female puppies, male puppies will often let them win, even if they have a physical advantage say that again when playing with female puppies male puppies will often let them win even

if they have a physical advantage alright now repeat it until we run out of episode cows have best friends now major ludwig von estorf who questioned the wisdom of massacring the herrero asked von trotha if it

wouldn't be better to take captives you know for slaves von trotha reiterated his assertion that no herrero could be allowed to survive due to the threat that they pose to german settlers after weeks of hiding in the desert some herrero began walking into german camps and attempt to surrender the shots troop walk welcomed them into their encampments and then shot them dead. Gerard Omaheke accounts how he and several other Herrero fighters were shot after surrendering. It was only after lying under

a pile of corpses of his fellow friends and family that his life was spared because they assumed he was dead. Still others were turned around and forced to go back out into the desert at gunpoint to which what was certain death. When one soldier refused to stab an emaciated Herrera woman to death, another grabbed his rifle with his hands and stabbed her for him, saying that it was the only way to deal with the Africans. Jan Kloetz, a guide for the Germans, recounts how Germans, laughing as they did so, a herrero infant into the air like a ball and

caught them on their bayonet jesus i i fucking hate it here uh the gen 2 penguin and proposed their life mate with a pebble thank you thank you this is this is nervous laughter i don't mean to just i don't mean to uh dude uh oh i feel like i'm gonna throw up all right let's fucking get through this this is this is nervous laughter i apologize to any listener who thinks i'm just being a dick but jesus wept soon the german attention was turned towards the nama people with the same intentions trotha wrote the nom on april of 1905 why even fucking write them like honest why even fucking write them you're just gonna do a genocide it's not like these guys are actually gonna pick up a move yeah exactly like just you know like not to

not to tell the germans of all people how to do a genocide but like why even fucking bother with the letter man yeah right and like some of the um herero made it across the kalahari desert and actually got to the british colony on the other side where they were taken in um you know to a fate that wasn't great but it was certainly better than this be your child being speared on a bayonet yeah yeah word great fucking fantastic quote the nama who chooses to surrender and lets

himself be seen in german territory will be shot until all are exterminated those who at the start of the rebellion committed murder against whites or have commanded that whites have be murdered by law forfeited their lives. As for the few not

defeated, it will fare them as well as fare the Herero, who in their blindness also believe that they could make war successfully on the powerful German emperor and the great German people. I ask you, where are the Herero today? That's some

serial killer shit. Yeah i mean he he's legitimately to the police i mean he is legitimately a serial killer um yeah i mean it's it's like the hitler thing who remembers the armenians today yes yeah the nama henrik among them did their best to fight off the german defensives but would fail in the same way the herrero did and they too were killed or driven off into the desert. I think Henrik's last words were like, it's been enough. It's time for the children to sleep now.

Wow. Eventually, the policy of trapping hundreds of thousands of people in the desert was abandoned, mostly due to falling out within the German government. We're talking about genocide here, which means I have to bring up the question of responsibility. That's

something that we will never shirk away from and we shouldn't. No written order exists of Kaiser Wilhelm II. Greenlighting were ordering von Trotha to carry out a genocide in Namibia. However, there's plenty of proof to show that he knew and approved of it. For starters, the general staff knew

about it. The German general staff's official publication, which was known as Der Kampf, wrote, quote, This bold enterprise shows up in the most brilliant light of ruthless energy of the German command in pursuing their beaten enemy.

I hate fucking Germans so much. No sacrifices were spared in eliminating the last remnants of enemy resistance. Like a wounded beast. The enemy was tracked down from one water hole to the next until finally he became the victim of his own environment.

The air to Omaha, which is desert was completed and the German army had begun the extermination of the Herrero nation. The Kaiser knew and theaiser was fine with it that means responsibility falls on the entire german state and military if the general staff knew and the kaiser knew that means there's no innocent people in the german government which is like well i can't believe we could say that about the germans like admittedly i fall into this as well A lot of people believe that the World War I Germans were just dumb imperialists

like the rest of them. They weren't Nazis. They weren't that bad, but they fucking were. They were Nazis with a crown instead of a swastika. Yeah. There's a reason they kept the Iron Cross, man. To be fair, they still do. I know.

Listen. And just to tie that together into world war one you are aware who alfred von schlieffen is right yeah yeah he was a huge fan of this of course he was uh he was the i mean he was the chief of staff at the time uh and he thought he was what everything he's doing is fine um so yeah, the responsibility of the Namibian genocide is the entire German state. That's it. I've seen some people pin this as independently von Trotha's venture. It's absolutely not the case.

So there were several people who were not fine with what was happening. And just to be clear here, it wasn't because they thought Africans were human and because they were against colonial violence. It was because they wanted to use the Africans like Lutwein as slaves. This included the German chancellor, Von Bulo, who asked the Kaiser to tell Trotha to stop because it'd be economically

devastating. Cause you're killing all the slaves. Jeez, that's some Robert E. Lee shit right there. Von Trotha answered only to the Kaiser. So the killing went on until the Kaiser changed his mind and ordered Trotha to stop, which did happen.

And then they built concentration camps. Then they built concentration camps. They didn't need them before. A little out of order, but alright. Now, if you're wondering why where did they get the idea for concentration camps is it from us it's from the british uh that's not me i'm not english thank god people who don't know or don't remember uh the british built concentration camps most people think of them as the first modern uses of concentration camps during the Boer War in South Africa.

Right. And even the name that they used was the direct German translation of the British term concentration camp. So, yeah, they got the idea from the British. Now, the largest of these, and by far the worst, is the Shark Island Concentration Camp, which opened up in March of 1905. Nobody's entirely sure of how many people ended up there within its walls, but it's thought to be in the tens of thousands as the imperial government began sweeping the desert and plains for the survivors and throwing them into the camp. Once there, they'd be forced into slavery on the farms, but mostly on building a railroad between the Luterlitz and Aus. Now, conditions within the camp

have been described as apocalyptic. Oh. Are we talking Andersonville apocalyptic? Worse than Andersonville? Okay, that's fucking terrific. Shark Island was not previously inhabited. It was considered uninhabitable.

There was no cover. It was considered uninhabitable. There was no cover. It was windswept and dry. The winds coming off the ocean were bitterly cold, but the sun, I mean, it's Namibia, incredibly hot. The people held within the camps were not given any more than the clothes they came with. Many of them were naked. They were given contaminated water and fed a diet of uncooked rice and flour. They were not allowed to build fires. Deaths from the camp began as soon as it opened.

And they thought on a normal day, 20 people would die. And that's why its reputation spread far and wide. Everybody knew about this fucking place. And soon, when Herero or Nama people were cornered by Germans, they would immediately attempt to kill themselves because they knew where they were going. The Cape Argus, which is a South African newspaper,

ran stories about the conditions within the camps, saying, quote, executed or set to work for the military as prisoners. They saw their numbers at the Angra Paquina, i.e. which is like looter lits, put to the hardest work and so starved they were nothing but skin and bones. They were given

hardly anything to eat and I have very often seen them pick up bits of refuse food thrown away by the transport riders. If they are caught doing so, they are whipped. For reference here, some of these quotes use the term slamboaked, which is like a regional term for getting lashed. whipped. For reference here, some of these quotes use the term slam-boked, which is like a regional term for

getting lashed. Quote, there are hundreds of them, mostly women and children and old men. When they fall, they're slam-boked by the soldiers in charge of their gang with full force until they give up. On one occasion, I saw a woman carrying a child under her, under a year old, slung across her back

with a heavy sack of grain on her head. She fell. The corporal slam-boked her for certainly more than four minutes and then slam-boked the baby as well. The women struggled slowly to her feet and went on with her load. She did not utter a single word the whole time, but the baby

cried very hard. Animal fact, please. Scroll down. I did that. Norway knighted a penguin. There's even a little picture of him walking alongside a military formation. He's adorable. But he's gonna do a

genocide too because that's just what we have now. Sweden has a rabbit showing jump competition called the Canaan Hoppin. That's cute. Alright, I'm good. Nervous laughter. I feel sorry for Nate for having to listen to this.

That was a fucking... What if we just forbid Germany from existing, like, ever again? Make Germany 18 different states again yeah yeah none of you I don't trust you fuckers you're going back to Prussia split all their power back up until

they're powerless to do anything enjoy your princely states heads during their long days working unprotected and mostly naked under the brutal African sun it fell they people would fall out from exhaustion. Literally, the best case scenario is they were left there to die. According to an eyewitness, a woman who

was so weak from illness that she could not stand crawled to some of the other prisoners to beg for water. An overseer fired five shots at her from a pistol. Two shots hit her, one in her thigh and one smashing her forearm. She was left there to die several hours later. Bodies piled up quickly. No effort was made to dispose of them. Instead, according to another eyewitness, cold for the nights and bitterly cold here. Hunger, thirst, exposure, disease, and madness claimed scores of victims every day. And cartloads of their bodies were every day carted to the back beach and buried within a few inches of sand

and at low tide they came in and the bodies went out food for the sharks disease ran rampant through the camps and the only medical treatment available was experimentation so proto-mangala oh more than proto-mangala

the guy who taught Mengele. Oh, well, what a fun little through line for us. The doctor in charge of the camp was a guy named Eugene Fisher, a eugenicist who worked directly for the Kaiser who really loved him some race science. Apparently. Fisher

at one time helped found the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute of Anthropology, Heredity, and Eugenics. That school would eventually train such alumni as Josef Mengele and Henrik Vorwerd. That second name probably doesn't stick out to you as much as Josef Mengele, which I'll give you a pass on because it's Mengele. But if you happen to live in South Africa, you might know him as the guy who started apartheid.

Sorry. I hate Germans. I just really hate Germans. Fischer would, of course, go on to become the lead Nazi expert on eugenics and come up with the Fischer-Saller scale for hair color, which probably sounds kind of innocent. It's just hair

color, but it was one of many things used to determine... No, it's not. No, it's Nazi shit. It's not Nazi shit. It's not a hair color scale. It's still used, just under a different name, for typifying hair colors and stuff. But it was used to see if someone was Aryan or not. He also

came up with the specific measurements of skulls and facial features that would determine if someone was Aryan or not. He also came up with the specific measurements of skulls and facial features that would determine if someone was Jewish or not. Meaning that this man very well might be responsible for more deaths and human misery than anyone we've ever talked about on this show. Eat a dick,

fucko. Rest in piss, bitch. Well, I'm alive and he's not, so who am I? That's right. Fisher's main goal was to what else oh another side note those same eugenics charts were used by the ottomans too so you you this guy is has his hands in at least three generations hey joe we're just pals here the the brotherhood of the Calipers. That's important. Fisher's main goal was to, what else, experiment on how to sterilize Africans, as well as collect the heads of dead people so he could measure their skulls and bones to better characterize their measurements for eugenics. He compiled all this in the book The Principles of Human Heredity and Race Hygiene,

which inspired Hitler so much he wrote Mein Kampf. Yeah, I hear race hygiene. There's a whole Nazi department called race hygiene. Yeah, I don't like that. Now, these skulls were brought to Germany for studies, lots of them.

You want to guess how long they were there? I don't know enough that Mengele put one down his pants. It was like, ah, finally, I feel something. 2014. God, what? The University of Freiburg. The German University of Freiburg The German University of Freiburg

returned them in 2014. How noble of them. That's right. There's actually another one in another university that ended up with it kind of like on accident and they returned it in 2018. Oh, sorry. We had the skull from a genocide we did to you guys.

You guys want this back, right? We found this in our basement. Felix von Lushan, the director of the Ethnology Museum in Berlin, great name, was an ethnologist obsessed with collecting human skulls and skeletons. So he drew up guidelines for travelers to German colonies, instructing them how to pack skulls, skeletons, and human brains for shipment. He boasted you could get a human skeleton for the price of soap, which I assume was made out of the fat that once inhabited that skeleton.

This created, and I swear to God, a skull rush. Animal fact, please. So, I did not come up with that term i need to point out um exterminate all the brutes did and uh well that was like their terminology and i read that passage at least three times dolphins have names for each other thank you and puffins mate for life. And I've seen puffins when I was in Iceland. They're adorable. I love puffins. Waddle it around. Not doing

a genocide. Say what you will about puffins. They're not German. So this skull rush created such a demand that soldiers cashed in on it. They forced slave women to boil and flay heads of dead men with pieces of broken

glass so they could sell them to scientists back in Germany. Another aspect of this camp was sexual slavery. Special German camps were set up where soldiers could go and select camp victims to rape. The children that came from these atrocities are sometimes

aborted, but since this is the early 1900s they would also sometimes kill the mother, something that was not considered a problem to the German doctors. Other times, German soldiers would simply kill them. In another case, they were given to camp doctors for medical experimentation, like sterilization, which also led to death. That was actually one of the main things that fueled Fisher, was he saw that there were so many mixed-race children being born of things like this. He was like, well, we can't let them breed and that was the main motivating force for his experiments

thankfully though the camp was closed by 1908 but the suffering would not end 80% of camp victims died within the camp system with the few remaining Herrero and Nama who survived being sent out to work as slaves across the German colony.

The best case scenario here was apartheid again and slavery. Germany's control over Namibia would finally end at the end of World War I when it was taken from them and given to the Union of South Africa. Fuck. into the Union of South Africa. Fuck. Who I'm sure treated whoever was left very well. What's behind door number two?

Ah, it's apartheid. Fuck. It's apartheid. Well, at least it's only genocide in slow motion. By the end, the Herero and Nama people were absolutely devastated in what would become the first of many genocides within the 20th century. It is thought that the majority of both populations were destroyed in the genocide. At least 100,000 people, but probably more.

Many of these same ideas, methodologies, and even people would go on to slaughter Armenians, Greeks, Yazidis in the ottoman empire and jews roma homosexual trans people and black people during the holocaust this is the gene seed of modern 20th century of genocide there's really no good way to end this except with some recent news in may of 2021 germany acknowledged their crimes calling them genocide um though how big of them obviously and unfortunately none of the perpetrators are alive today to catch the short drop take them up take them up take them up defenstrate them and see how they like it and while germany refuses to say that they're paying reparations they are in the form of one billion dollars to uh hereroama communities. Now, this is contentious.

There's a lot of Herero and Nama communities that did not want this. They don't think it's good enough. And the Namibian government made this agreement without consulting them. That's fair. I do not...

I cede the floor to the Herero and Nama people on their dissent. I'm not the one who well i did get genocided here yeah exactly that is up to them and just because someone apologizes does not mean you have to accept it no you do not personal professional any of that shit exactly and in case you've been genocided i guess i. I mean, like, if Turkey apologized for their Armenian genocide tomorrow, I wouldn't forgive them. Just like, I'm not shocked.

You couldn't reasonably be expected to. Just like, I'm not shocked whenever a Jewish person tells me they don't forgive Germany. Like, no shit. Except I do drive a Volkswagen car, because I'm an idiot person. It's a nice car. It's fine. It's probably made in the same factory they made my toyota it's fine it's made in mexico exactly it employed precisely one german probably hans i'm coming for you but i think we can all agree that there's no

monetary amount that could be enough to make up for the destruction of two nations of people yeah i think that's fair i think that's a fair thing to say. Now, thankfully, we do have something that is not genocide-based we can talk about in this episode, and that is our question from the Legion. Now, if you would like to ask us a question from the Legion, you can donate to the show,

which I don't know why you would after the last two hours of podcasts. Sorry. Ask us random, nothing questions and we will answer them on air. If you have something like deep and meaningful, save it for a Q&A because those deserve good answers.

You know what I mean? What is your least favorite food and why did you eat it? Tomatoes? That's just like anything hey i ate tomatoes but like what's your least favorite dish tomatoes tomatoes uh let's see uh i don't fuck with lamb you don't fuck with lamb that's that's culturally damaging to me i you know what i will eat lamb occasionally but uh land really makes my stomach hurt.

And I feel like a bad person when I eat it. Oh, that's fair enough. I mean, uh, I have to like, be really careful about what I eat because I've, I have what is known in the medical community.

It was a huge bitch stomach now. Yes. I feel that I didn't use to, I got my gallbladder removed. Uh, and now my body does not process fats correctly. So, which unfortunately are things yeah

i just checked my spam email and uh blue states pack wants me to know that rand paul is wetting himself that's really what the subject of this email is that is my least favorite food um yeah rand paul rand paul's neighbor where you at? I don't know what mine is, honestly. I don't know. I had Rotten Shark in Iceland. I would say that wasn't very good. Oh, that doesn't sound good. Oh, I actually have a real answer.

I cannot stand the taste of fish. Any fish. I will eat fish and eat i will eat like fish and chips i had fish and chips for the first time in years a couple weeks ago it's the only nice thing i have to say about brendan but like i i won't fucking eat uh salmon like

i won't eat tuna if i can avoid it like i really genuinely and truly hate the taste of have you ever had poke okay that that'll change your mind. I won't eat sushi if that's similar. I will force you down and then

shove it in your mouth until you enjoy poke. Leave your wife for me, Jill. I guess the rotten shark, but of course that tasted bad, right? It's supposed to be bad. It's supposed to taste terrible.

You ever had lutefisk? I've smelled it and that was enough. Yeah. Um, I really don't like gefilte fish. Fuck you, bitch. Like I,

I also do not like filter fish. I went to, uh, I don't know what kind of dinner was. I got invited to a dinner with a friend of mine and they had something like that. And they offered me if you offer me something, I will not turn it down even if I don't want to eat it, which is a problem sometimes.

And I'm like, that looks and smells disgusting, but I will eat it and it tasted exactly how it looked and smelled. Yeah, it does. Yeah. But Liam, thank you for joining me through what might be the grimmest episode of this podcast has ever done um plug your show since it it fits so nicely here

hi my name is liam anderson i'm on another podcast called well there's your problem it's about engineering disasters sometimes it's grim usually at least it's grimmer for shorter amounts of time that's your lions led by donkeys promise it's going to be awful and it's going to be awful for a very long time

but thank you everybody for listening thank you for supporting the show and we will see you next time I have no cute way to end this one don't do genocide