Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast - Episode 188 - The Bophuthatswana Coup

Episode Date: December 27, 2021

What happens when white nationalists, neo nazis, and Black despots team up to try to prolong apartheid in South Africa? One of the dumbest coup attempts of all time. Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/lionsledbydonkeys Sources: The Death of Apartheid: The Whites Last Stand https://web.archive.org/web/20150924104002/http://www.southafrica.info/10years/tenyearsago2.htm http://www.law.buffalo.edu/content/dam/law/restricted-assets/pdf/faculty/mutuaM/magazines/arJulyAug94.pdf Allister Sparks. Tomorrow Is Another Country: The Inside Story of South Africa's Road to Change

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like the Kurdish Red Crescent, the Flint Water Fund, and the Halo Trust. Consider joining the Legion of the Old Crow today donkeys podcast i am joe and with me is liam hello liam hi joe i. I didn't give you your contractual yay, Liam. I apologize for that. I'll just do it myself. All right. I have to ask. Maybe this is some deep lore shit that happened before I was listening to your other show.

Well, there's your problem. Plug. How did that start? How did the yay, Liam thing become a thing? Oh, I just said it for myself and then alice started saying it i was like yay liam like yeah i'm here i'm the least favorite uh host of the fans and they can all suck it so you gave yourself a catchphrase effectively yes it did outstanding thank you i mean it worked yeah it has a TV Tropes entry.

Does it really? Somebody made a TV Tropes for Lions, and I have no idea who did it. I have no idea who did it for us either, but there's hundreds of entries. Maybe not hundreds, but... Yeah, bless your hard work, whoever you are, you poor soul. Yeah, you should probably go outside a little bit, though.

you poor soul yeah you should probably probably go outside a little bit though i i support them doing weird shit uh like that because we do weird shit like to make this show yeah that's true because we're idiots it's fair i would never deny that speaking of idiots you know what we haven't talked about in a long time dead racists oh god yay i love dead racists but i decided to do something that maybe a lot of people have never heard of before because a long time ago i read a book called the bang bang club which i don't know if it still holds up but i highly recommend it as of right now um they made a bad movie based on it um that was about a group of mostly south african photojournalists during the fall of apartheid and it's very interesting to one of them includes like the pulitzer i think is a pulitzer prize-winning photographer that took that well very well-known

picture of the child with the vulture next to it yeah yeah he ended up i believe killing himself over yes he did which yeah uh who could blame him honestly he was going through a lot of stuff before then as well anyway very cool book but there's a side story to it that talks about ubapathaswanaku and yes i pronounced that correctly and i have no idea how proud i am of myself but here from now on i will call it a bop because that is apparently what is commonly called now the reason why we're talking about bop is because once upon a time i labeled something the dumbest coup ever that we talked about on the show namely the uh one in venezuela from a couple years ago have we got got a new one? Well, I think I spoke too soon, honestly.

Ah! I think it is unfair to label that coup as the dumbest coup ever and not give the fine idiots that launched the BOP coup their credit. We gotta give the BOP coup a deal?

I'll leave it for the audience to decide though. I know a lot of people want to laugh at the Venezuela one. It is funny. I honestly think this

one is dumber because let me set the stage for you. What if I told you a corrupt black South African anti-communist libertarian joined forces with an

Afrikaner neo-Nazi in order to defend apartheid and nearly led to an all-out civil war. Fuck, all right. Yeah, I guess I'm on board. Like, I kind of know a lot of people. Yeah, right, absolutely.

I understand it's a lot, and there's going to be a lot of weird parallels to modern history of this story. Because we do have to talk a little bit about apartheid um in the collapse of apartheid because i i understand most people are aware of the concept of apartheid but they aren't aware of like some of the nuance involved in it and this is not going to be an exhaustive thing on apartheid i will have to overlook some of it. Maybe somewhere someone will do a full history of apartheid. I am very unqualified to do that.

Yeah. We're two white guys from America. I'm certainly not a black South African that was impacted by apartheid. Who should be telling that story? This, of course, brings us to the concept of apartheid itself. Long story short, this is a form of institutional racism and racial segregation, meaning separateness or apartheid itself long story short this is a form of institutional racism and racial segregation uh meaning separateness or apartheid uh that was slowly signed into law bit by bit like there was no apartheid law okay it was something of um of an accumulation of various

different laws sometimes it's not like petty apartheid laws something like you know miscegenation laws and other more important things uh that would come later that were honestly much more vile, I guess, if you're going to judge them. A big old racist snowball. Yeah, exactly. Some people point out it started in 1949 with the prohibition of mixed marriages, but it only ramped up from there. And you can honestly, in my opinion, fairly argue it began way before this. There's the immorality amendment the next year, which made even fucking outside of your race illegal. Go away. Yeah.

And now to help you out, there was a ladder of races, if you will. There was four specific races mapped out in South African apartheid law. White, black, colored, and Indian. With every single one of those having a subcategory further with it just to show how dumb this was they would give certain famous like black american singers and stuff honorary white status so they could still come into the country and perform for white people like just to show how stupid this was cool races are the most stupid fucking people on the planet absolutely

they're dumb as shit and and their their stupidity is is very surface level arguably the worst bits of it began in the 60s and 70s but in reality the seeds of what happened in the 60s and 70s were planted early on the 1900s with uh the native lands act of 1913 that legally gave only 7% of all South African land to the native black population. I'm using the term black population as a blanket term. I understand there's a lot of different ethnicities and tribes involved. We will talk about more of those later. I can't talk about all of them. Just know there's more at play here. It's kind of weird, right? The white people of South Africa, Afrikaners, Boer, whatever, would openly admit

that these are the indigenous people of the land in these laws, titles, but also be like the next line down, fuck them. It's ours now. It's kind of unique. Land acknowledgments for the bad guys. Right. It's like, I don't know, like Canada doing land acknowledgment and then building a pipeline through it.

Right. So they had the Native Lands Act, which legally gave 7% of all South African lands to, at most 7%, I should point out, to the native black population. These were the worst tracks of land, as you can imagine. Right. By the 1950s, this is enlarged to the Native Res population these were the worst tracks of land as you can imagine right by the 1950s this is enlarged to the native resettlement act which gave the government power at this point all government powers the national party of south africa which is an africaner slash booer in my opinion the the separation of those two people does not matter to me white south africans it was a white separatist white

nationalist nationalist party i they're not neo-nazis but we'll get to those guys superb yeah but they are certainly white nationalists and honestly like a lot of what they did uh is just pretty much their entire existence is a sin upon the human race. Most things are, Joe. Yeah, that's true. Now, the Native Resettlement Act gave the government the power to forcefully remove the black population from white majority areas, placing them on previously established reservations, of which there were 10.

Now, the term reservation is used interchangeably with a few others, like the term Bantu-stan, Bantu, things like that. I'll use them all interchangeably. Eventually, the National Party, which was the one that would rule white minority South Africa pretty much for its entire existence, decided that this act still wasn't enough. By 1970s, using these acts, the white government forced around four million

black south africans to relocate to these reservations and what is one of the largest forced government evictions in history i think like partition and like the noctuba are maybe worse partition might be worse uh of of india pakistan. But this one is one of the worst. Christ. Great. This was targeted specifically to destroy black life in urban centers, specifically things like Johannesburg, Pretoria, places like that. But it was also targeted at black landowners that still managed through some form of government

of which there's mostly all stacked against them to hold like farmland in areas that white people wanted they would be kicked off forced into these reservations that land would then be given to white people or sold off to white people now under the doctrine of apartheid the key was separation and securing control for the white minority population right and while they had certainly made things pretty goddamn separate, black people were still technically citizens of South Africa.

They were about to change that. How noble of them. Right. I really don't want to compare the two, but as far as the United States was concerned, as racist as we were during our Jim Crow eras, black people were still considered citizens of the united states like that's a really low bar all right great

we've got one up on apartheid era south africa that fucking rules i mean we certainly gave them a lot of their ideas but they're like okay but what if we dial that to like 15 because i would argue we were already at 11 yeah hey hitler got a bunch of his ideas from us they sure did they sure did specifically eugenics in california yeah that's that's great i hate this place of course the national party fixed this little problem of black people with citizenship by stripping it from everyone on the reservations which were now called bantu stands or bantu i'm not sure if i'm pronouncing it right sorry i've heard it pronounced bantu but i i know that's also a grouping of languages

that is the extent of my knowledge sorry everybody now the people on these these reservations were stripped of their south african citizenship the government then made these 10 bantu stands bantu stands whatever um a semi-sovereign and then four of them became independent nations recognized by you guessed it only south africa people living on these reservations were given citizenship to the reservation and the reservation only that's almost ingeniously diabolical you don't have to give them their due or anything but that's that's pure fucking evil man when you look further in it's even worse like obviously you can look at the united states and you know say can Canada and our reservation systems and realize how disgusting they are because,

you know, large tracts of land, which are not good for much. We were forced to population to live upon that. They did the same thing, but they also broke up these gigantic plots of land into small disconnected fragments. Right.

So they would be like, for instance, Bapu Thaswana was like seven different pieces of land with no connecting boundaries. There's a lot of weird history here, but like the, the Bantu stands were purposefully made to fail. Right.

Like say KwaZulu-Natal, which is one of them was built upon a fertile farmland. Okay. Well, we'll simply cut it in half, make a weird valley where that fertile farmland is cut out, give it to some white farmers, and then the rest of it, the Zulu... You get the scraps, right? Exactly. Yeah, it was like that.

Now, they were now foreigners in their country of birth, even though you can argue that the concept of South Africa is a colonial creation. But still, the place that they were born, they were now foreigners in. Right. Now, the economies of these territories, reservations, Bantu Stands, were entirely dependent on South Africa by design. Because black people were only allowed to live in restricted residence outside of these Bantu Stands. Normally, it was almost like a ghetto that was purposely formed by the government outside of white majority towns. So you could then travel to the white majority

towns to work, service jobs, work as effectively sharecroppers on farms. Very, very, very unthought of labor jobs. So many people were forced to commute several hours each day to work outside or become migrant laborers in surrounding countries. The living and working in these places was nearly impossible. I assume that was also by design. Yes. Yeah. Their goal was to, A, keep the black population away from the white population.

And if one of the trickle-down effects of that is people realize that their existence was awful and they would leave, then it's a bonus. Now, this forced populations of these places to become concentrated in poor, overcrowded border communities within commuting distance of work and white-run industries within South Africa, which I need to point out is every industry. Right. They controlled everything. right they controlled everything furthermore the assignment of people to these bantu stands was seemingly done at random with many people just simply stuck somewhere with no ethnic connection or tribal connection to anyone they were this is not their indigenous land like like the one we're talking about bapu the swana is considered an indigenous land for the swana people in some aspects it's not all of it because you

know it's chopped up but there were some non-swana people that were simply stuck here and the same thing would happen to kwaZulu-Natal and the others like like fuck it you're all the same to us we don't care you live here now you leave you get brutalized by the military or the cops same same scramble for africa bullshit yeah but you know the 1950s right cool i love history yeah isn't it great and like it's even funner when you think about like this is within your like immediate family's lived experience like lived lifetime like this is an ancient history since these places were legally separate from south Africa, the political realities within them could be much different. Some political leaders simply refused independence, seeing this entire thing for what it was. Like, no, you're separating us.

This is unfair. And a lot of these places just rejected working as a sovereign nation, which, of course, morally, great idea. This, of course, made things hard for them and the people within them, but the knower had it good. I'm certainly not judging anybody harshly for making this choice. I think it's the right thing to do. Impossible choice, yeah. And a lot of these places simply became a great place for the African National Congress or ANC to recruit people to fight against white minority rule. Now, by the 1980s, after decades of unrest, civil disobedience, and some Bush war,

for good measure, the cracks are beginning to form in the shitty foundations of apartheid. As it became clear Nelson Mandela and the ANC would eventually come to power, whether the white people liked it or not, people began to ask the obvious question, what the hell were we going to do with these random independent states that the National Party had created out of thin air? Now, eventually, the governments of P.W. Botha and De Klerk, because these guys have just great names all around, gave citizenship back to the black people on the Bantu Stands. But there was eventually going to be provisions to absorb them back into South Africa. But here's the problem. Not all of the Bantu Stands were considered independent states.

What? Some of them were considered semi-sovereign. Others were considered independent states, specifically like Bapu Theswana was considered an independent state. So if you happen to be one of the semi-independent ones, you got your citizenship back. Others were considered independent states, specifically like Bop with the Swan. I was concerned independent state. So if you happen to be one of the semi independent ones, you got your citizenship back. But if you happen to be in one of the ones that were considered independent, I remember the National Party only. Then you had to reapply for citizenship.

Cool. That's terrific. I hate races so much. And also the national party's ideas began to form into, okay, well, since our loose grasp over South Africa is going to change, we can't stop that. We're either going to change it in negotiation rooms or we're going to be dragged through the street by our feet until... Dragged through the street. Dragged through the street. I got some good news for you later. Yay! by our feet until right through the street right through the street I got some good news for you later now the idea turned into some kind of loose

racial confederacy which of course was based on the Bantu stands with white people still dominating it because this is a national party idea of course ANC was like no that's fucking stupid we're not doing that right now this did have some support amongst Bantustan leaders.

One was KwaZulu-Natal, where there was something of a – they strongly, strongly distrusted a strong government, central government, because look at the central government they were dealing with at the time. Fair enough. Another one – and I'm not going to go into like the inkatha freedom or the history of the zulu uh kwaZulu-Natal at the moment there's a lot there uh they also would work with a lot of very weird people that would hate them in any other situation but they didn't go quite as far as the guy we're going to talk about today who who is Lucas Mangope, the president of BOP. Now,

BOP was one of the Bantu stans considered to be independent, and Mangope was its leader, who fully bought into the system, not for any ideological reasons, but because this allowed him to rule over BOP like a shitty feudal lord and be cartoonishly

corrupt as he ever wanted to be right yeah because of course someone's gonna take advantage of this situation right yeah someone's got to make money from this now the people of bop like every bantu stand by design were desperately poor and this is actually despite the fact that bop was sitting on a lot of mineral wealth which mangope made sure to exploit for his only personal wealth uh he turned the republic into something of a broke ass las vegas for rich white people in south africa um because the national party was as you can imagine incredibly conservative as all white nationalists are right um this meant like gambling strip clubs brothels

all those things were illegal in South Africa. But because in South Africa, BOP was now a foreign country, Mangope could make his own laws. So he made all of those legal. Hey, man, hustler mindset, you know? Grind never stops, Joe. Gotta get that Mangope grind set, right? gotta get that mangope grind set right uh now white business owners uh and entrepreneurs of the very racist south african type uh threw incredible amounts of bribes through mangope which is how this government ran he pretty much stole everything that wasn't nailed down

like civil servants were really never paid on time, things like that. He completely stole every election. But white business owners eventually opened Sun City, a gigantic casino and resort, which was just across the border of the Republic because they were very close to Praetorian Johannesburg, which are white majority areas. Right. So they just have to dip their toes and bop, go into the giant hedonism Sun City place. There was something called a cultural boycott of South Africa at the time, which was like completely unenforceable, really.

But it was like by the UN to try to pressure the South African government into ending apartheid, meaning like it was a boycott for singers, sports, all of those things. Nobody can go to South Africa for any kind of sporting event,

any kind of entertainment event. It was a cultural boycott. So the fun entrepreneurs of Sun City had a point. Boppa Faswana is not South Africa. You can come to Sun City and perform. Now, of course, anybody with any two brain cells that rubbed together would be like, no, bro, that's South Africa.

It's still bad. You're forgetting how much money these people were willing to pay, which was a lot. Now, the casino, even though it was in BOP, was still racially segregated and under the control of apartheid rules because it was owned by white people.

And I go, they really liked white people, money. And not to mention like the people that lived in Bob, we're never going to be able to afford to go to this place. Anyway, it wasn't for them. Right now,

if you're wondering who some of these performers might be, so you can get mad, the beach boys, Elton John, Cher and fucking queen to include with Freddiedie mercury like this is before he died uh now i'm disappointed in share as a fellow armenian she should know better um now queen made like a really piss poor excuse is like we just go where we're entertaining people they're like that why did you go to the casino and not to like the capital of bop and yeah didn't have didn't have a lot of

explanation for that now never do yeah yeah and especially because like freddie mercury is is not a white man who grew up in the uk he should know what like racial discrimination, I'm just disappointed, guys. I'm sorry. Now, Mangope was more than happy to allow white people to come in, extort and extract money and resources from his people because he got kickbacks. He was incredibly powerful. Nobody challenged him. He was also the richest person in this country outside of the white people in the casino. Because of course he was now uh i already said that he rigged every election he took part in with the added funny bit of he had assistance from the south african

intelligence service to help him right because like having a vocal bantu stand leader support the system was invaluable to them right i can imagine so whenever he needed help from the white government, they're like, yes, absolutely. We'll just stay over there. No,

no, no. Just stay over there. We'll come and help you. Come into my hidden as a palace. Yeah, exactly. Now this led to a ton of coups over the year.

As you can imagine, with each time a gopay was overthrown, the South African defense forces would roll through and put them right back in place. Now, whenever tens of thousands of civilians would take to the street like they did in 1990 to protest Mangope

being shitty at his job, he had a personal army to handle that called the Bop Self Defense Force, which would shoot at them. He also outlawed the African National Congress, Mandela's group.

Cannot wait for this. Does this guy get dragged through the streets too? Unfortunately, Mangope does not. Oh. His party was actually in bot politics until like a couple years ago. Oh, Jesus Christ. Now, another small detail here. The Defense Force, the BDF, was led by led by you guessed it i'm sure at this point

white officers from the south african defense come on dude do you want to bet who is in his republican government no not really but more white people yeah i mean uh this somehow gets worse this included mangope's minister of defense rowanan Kranji, who was the former. He sounds like a war criminal. He was because he was the former Minister of Health, Education and Labor from drumroll. Rhodesia! Fan favorite. Now, Kranji and others like him were key parts of the government working

with Mangope notice I'm not saying for they never considered them below the president of BOP because he was a black man in order to preserve BOP's independence obviously the white people in his government did not give a single shit

about BOP or even Mangope they cared about racial segregation and their means were defended by bop's continued existence as an independent state he didn't even like tamp down on his rhodesia isms while he was a member of bop's government well at least he's consistent he was questioned at some point about all the white dudes in bop's government like by it was a foreign journalist of course no south african journalist would ask him about this like it was a foreign journalist when there's a lot of unrest like well if this is a black supposedly indigenous republic

why are you the minister of defense white man from you know former city known as salisbury uh he said quote president mangope has realized that from the first day to run a complicated you know, former city known as Salisbury. He said, quote, President Mangope has realized that from the first day to run a complicated business of government is not yet within the grasp of his people. Oh. He said this is a sitting member of government. Just, I hate racism so much. I will say there was some white South African,

like officers within the BDF who, when we talk about other people of the story, do not seem as bad. But I do need to point out that they were all in service of white separatism and white nationalism. Bastard covered bastards with bastard filling. Yes. bastards with bastard filling yes so as the apartheid government got closer to a deal with the anc for you know majority rule and the first free elections this is mostly what we're talking about here more pressure had to be placed on bop to willingly come back into south africa because they like oh fuck we gave these people independence now they want to keep it shit oh no our plan has failed our white nationalist experiment has blown up in our face

who could have seen this coming by 1994 with the first free and fair elections coming up in South Africa Mangope announced he would boycott them because he was an independent nation he had no business voting in the elections of South Africa,

much to the horror of the people of BOP who did not support him. There was pretty large ANC voter drives because what they were trying to do is teach people what the vote was because they were never allowed to vote before. And when ANC teams, which admittedly I know there's some political friction between ANC and other political parties, even during this time when it comes to ending apartheid anc did a lot of footwork when it came to showing people how the vote was going to work sure especially because there was a very high illiteracy rate in a lot of these places again by design so like when anc polling

groups came out to like teach people how to vote uhOP's BDF was sent out to chase them away and arrest them. The ANC was outlawed even to do this, which was a civil service effectively. Now, when it came to resisting the vote, like I said, they were not alone in regards to the Bantu stands. I already talked a little bit about KwaZulu-Natal. They threatened to boycott the vote of the Mainzulu political party, the Inkatha Freedom Party. So the ANC sat down and negotiated them on a few things. For instance, they're very warranted distrust of a strong central government. And they smooth things over.

That left Bob standing alone. Well, kind of alone because standing with them against the return or the birth of really majority rule in South Africa were a whole lot of white Nazis. Hans fuck ass. Yes. And my God, did they support bops mission to stay independent because they knew that this

was the future that they wanted and the past that they had. Now this brings us to the AWB. Now, I'm calling them the AWB because that is what their acronym is, or their abbreviation is, from a completely unpronounceable Afrikaner name. Yeah, of course. But it stands for the Afrikaner Resistance Movement. Now, the AWB was found in 1973 by an absolutely renowned fuckhead named Eugene Terblanche. Fuckhead name, too.

His name literally translates to Eugene White Land. That's what it says on the tin. Yeah. Now, to the shock of many, I'm sure, started out as a cop. Oh, wow. Wow. started out as a cop. Oh, wow. Now, he worked in what is today Namibia as a cop, which was then Southwest

Africa. Now, he decided being an apartheid era cop was not racist enough, so he resigned after four years of service to take a run at politics with the HNP party, which, again, it's Afrikaner shit that I can't pronounce.

Racist grunt never stops. Dutch people are the fucking worst. Dutch people, your language is fucking just incredibly hard for me. Yeah, just throw some shoe polish and tell us how mad you are. Now, the HNP was itself an even further right-wing splinter group

of the ruling national party just how exactly i gotta say how fucking racist are you when you break off from the national party of apartheid south these guys are scrubs this your party plank just says i should be able to say it with the hard art 100 yeah hard 100% yeah that and openly wearing swastikas okay we'll get to the swastika fart we'll get to the swastika fart swastika fart now

his attempts at office failed because even in rural South Africa is like he's inventors Dorp which is a very white majority area it's a rural area with white farmers so they're even further right than most national party people are, as normally is the case, right?

Even in a place like that, like the H&P barely got any votes. I think he got like 4% of the vote in the local elections. So yeah, he's a fucking failure. I'm sure he's not going to let that stop him. Now, this led to him founding the AWB as a secret society of neo-nazi nerds and losers but i repeat myself their flag is literally just a very dumb looking swastika

though pere blanche and the rest of his fellow aw dickheads most of whom are dead now rest in piss uh refuse to say it's a swastika now Now, Liam, this is not a visual medium. We do a podcast, but I'm going to ask you to look up the AWB's flag and tell me what you see. One moment, please. AWB flag, which I'm sure will get me. That's why I used it.

Come on! Okay, so let me tell you what their rationale is that's a triskelion i believe they call it so it is supposed to be three number sevens in order to counteract the mark of the beast which is six six six because they saw the end of apartheid as being equal to that of satanic forces now what the rationale is why it's on a white background white round or red and innocent

in the exact formation of a swastika they never explain like this is like do you watch always sunny yeah your coincidence this is what 100% the scene where Frank makes a flag that looks like a swastika. He's like, what? It's four Fs.

How was I supposed to know it was supposed to look like that? Now, the AWB did not remain a secret society for long. However, they rose to the public attention because they were literally tarring and feathering college professors they did not agree with and, wait for it, called Marxists. Hearing any any comments? Now I'm going to go, I'm going to openly say here these slight connections are going to turn into

gigantic screams of connections in a very short amount of time. Now by the time the AWB became well known, their numbers exploded. Much like other neo-Nazi groups groups they form charities and youth leagues and the like their ranks swelled with you guessed it cops and soldiers as well as the rural poor they're just disaffected joe that's right they have economic anxiety yeah they're just scared

in case you're wondering how they roped in the rural poor it wasn't because anything other than their underlying racism bred in by the apartheid system. They were being told that if black people are allowed to have majority rule, they would all be thrown off their lands and be poor or killed, probably killed because there'd be a white genocide, which is also something Eugene Terrapalanch talked about. Good,

good, good. Root for it. I'm going to go on a limb here and say, I do not support the white genocide of people in South Africa. However, land reform, good idea. And also, you fucking stole that land.

It was literally by design. Genocide, bad. I know, I know. Leave me alone. This was a legitimate fear that the AWB and a lot of mainstream, like the AWB is not considered mainstream by any imagination, even in white people.

This is a mainstream fear, I assume, because they know apartheid, and so on and so forth. It is 100% a mainstream fear. The National Party would say these things when the Bush Wars were starting and things like that to get people to support them. But now, with the elections

coming up and negotiations ongoing, it was blowing up in their face because their own voting base, which was then joining the AWB and other groups we'll talk about, they had to point out like, no, no, it couldn't possibly be like that because they stoked fear for so many decades. It ran out of control. Right. And obviously, as in the year 2021, and we are recording this, no, there is no genocide of white people in South Africa, no matter how much Lauren Southern really wants that to be true. The show just makes me so mad. Just took it to my face. Now, I love that you just laughed like goofy there. Yeah. Now, the AWB harnessed those fears, as you can imagine, as well as became something of a low scale charity group for a lot of these people who were poor.

Like the National Party did not give a single fuck about the rural poor either. It was just like, again, it made them feel better. Yes. Yeah. 100%. Now, nothing was done to counter the rise of the AWB as they rapidly brought in tens of thousands of recruits. I'm sure they just overlooked it, dude. I'm sure they just overlooked it.

They were considered a weird fringe group, despite the fact that Eugene Terblanche was taking to the stage, openly calling for racial civil war should the National Party go ahead with their plan of free elections. I need to point out, freedom of speech was not guaranteed in South Africa, even for white people. Wow. It was a very repressive government. They did a lot of just awful things.

Racism will do that to you. Even if you separate them from their policies of apartheid which i should say you should not like even the things that they did to the group of people that were supposed to support them were just awful uh it goes into their you know inherently fascist white nationalism that all conservative parties will eventually turn into when given untethered power that's a topic for a different day they It sure will, Joe. Now, nothing was done to counter them, like I said, despite the fact that Jean-Therp Blanche

was just openly breaking the rules and law everywhere he went. I mean, of course, it helped that a lot of the cops were AWB members. Now, as always, despite the fact that this group had countless allies in the national government, to include soldiers, cops, rumored ministers of parliament like lower members of elected office local members of government things like that this broke out into violence because of course it does

that's what uncontrolled fascist groups always turn into like they're on the side yeah yeah and they shouldn't have to put out they also had a weird fetish with uniforms because all fascists have a weird fetish with uniforms like one of uh like the main sources i use in this which i'll link to the show notes like it has a lot of videos of awb meetings and it always includes torchlight gatherings and awb dudes in black uniforms doing really lame karate information. Jesus. Now, an AWB rally was held in Ventersdorp, outside of where F.W. DeClercq was scheduled to hold a public address at the time. The area is thought as being a huge stronghold of AWB,

and anger was high because not too long before, huge stronghold of AWB and anger was high because not too long before, De Klerk's government had recognized the ANC as a legal political party, which before then it was outlawed and freed Nelson Mandela and a lot of other ANC members from prison in order to

take part in political activities. Right. Now this is considered effectively race treason to the AWB and to be fair, consider that to a lot of members the national party as well now after several run-ins with cops not to mention that many of the awb members are cops themselves right the awb began to develop and train in tactics to defend themselves against the state because cops in south africa even towards white people were just vicious monsters

race didn't matter at that point you were against the state you had to go they disappeared a lot of fucking people especially like white anti-apartheid activists a lot of them motherfuckers had a bad end not to make this about them but

the cops attempted to exact violence on the AWB but the awb had trained for them in very weird ways uh like for instance to protect themselves from tear gas they're very dumb formation-based karate well they had guns first of all they didn't try to fist fight the cops because that's stupid uh they brought stuff with them to protect them from tear gas, and they even casted plaster of Paris shields over their arms and legs to protect them from police dog bites, which is honestly kind of ingenious. Now, the AWB were also heavily armed,

which of course would lead to shootouts between them and the cops. But the thing that they are probably best known, even outside of the Bop Coup, is the Kempton Park World Trade Center incident. Oh, boy. Never want to hear a World Trade Center incident in the same sentence. Thankfully, the AWB did not have their pilot's license or instrumentation license. I forget what Muhammad Atta had.

Now, in 1993, there's a meeting going on there where there are multi-party talks going on to end apartheid and bring a vote to the table, which obviously the white people would lose. Now, despite the fact that the place under armed guard by cops and soldiers, the AWB and allied white nationalist militias, mostly like the Volksfront, were under the guise of a protest and stormed the building in an armored car. Okay. Now, in case you're wondering if that sounds familiar, you know, using the guise of a protest to storm a political building. If you look this, I was curious myself. I looked this up on Wikipedia, and if you look at the very bottom,

like, also read 2020 capital insurrection i was like yeah nailed that one now a few cops did try to stop them uh but they were immediately outnumbered by awb men who beat them fucking savagely

most cops and soldiers simply stood aside and let them do their thing because they were probably friends with people in the group. Right. They're just like, Oh, it's Dave. Or more likely they tactically politically agreed with what they were

doing, which is also terrifyingly common. Um, now the AWB seemingly were shocked that they just waltzed right in. Like I say this often, it's like a dog actually catching the car tire. Right. Um, so they just kind of hung around inside spray painting the walls literally pissing and shitting all over the place that's gross have some fucking respect for

yourself right you're supposed to dude you you see yourself as the master race you're popping and squatting a pile of shit in the corner of a building right now you don't even respect your own beliefs this all ended with them cutting a deal with the local police commander that nobody would be arrested and they would simply be allowed to leave and go home and that's what happened now cool this might surprise you when um you have an armed group that seemingly has a wink wink n, nudge, nudge tactic agreement with the state that they're allowed to do whatever they want. They began to get increasingly militaristic. Shocking.

I know. That never happens any other time. They and other white nationalist groups like the aforementioned Afrikaner Volksfront began to have other plans. Now, the Afrikaner Volksfront was honestly the more mainstream of the two. The reason was, is despite planning active resistance against the end of apartheid. And another thing like separatism, they wanted a Boer state or a white man homeland, normally in the orange free state, harking back to the settler colonial days of South Africa. Now, they all had various shades of belief, while awb is without a doubt the most extreme

of all of them to the point that if it wasn't for the situation which they all found themselves in or they thought that they found themselves in more accurately they would have nothing to do with them everybody was like disgusted by eugene der blanch is this one of those weird right wing wife swapping fuck fests um no but there is a really fun uh like there's an anc ran newspaper that spread rumors that eugene terblanch was once arrested for fucking bush pigs all right which yeah i'm gonna say it's a fact yeah actually i know that to be true and eugene tear blanche's bitch ass is dead he can't sue me so we'll we'll get to how he died but i don't mean to give anybody else any credit i just want to underline how extreme the awb is gotcha um now all these guys had recruiting

drives going on uh and a lot of people are starting to stock guns and ammo, not to mention building their unarmored vehicles, which is worrying. Fucking terrific. Now, while this was going on, things were getting crazier and crazier, and BOP, very few people within BOP wanted Mangope to boycott the election. The election was overwhelmingly popular,

and really only the inner circle of Mangope's spineless yes-men wanted anything to do with the concept of this independence. So no matter how much him and a circle of white nationalist government ministers insisted, the vast majority of people living there, mostly Swana people, saw themselves

as a part of a future unified and majority-ruled South Africa. And more importantly, uh this republic was some fake ass bullshit this eventually led to a civil service strike within bop starting in february of 1994 now a lot of this had to do with ministry workers kind of being curious about what happens to us when we go back into south africa you're not going to need all of us because you're not going to be a country you're not going to need the trappings of a country anymore.

Now, Mangope, being very bad at his job, simply didn't have the answers. And also, he stopped paying them, which is a problem. He seems to love doing that. It's because he's really bad at managing finances. There's also some kind of conspiracy theories. I don't know how true it is.

Especially in situations like this. You get 100 different stories that the ANC came through and threatened the civil service workers that if they didn't vote, they would replace everyone in local government with ANC supporters. I don't know how true that is, but I can certainly see

it spreading quickly as a rumor. That was enough to get people striking. Finally, black members of the bop defense forces and the police confronted mangope about his plans to continue to resist and they were fired for the most part this wasn't a mass defection not yet gotcha mangope simply told them quote i have powerful friends and now i do have to say mangope is a fucking liar and a fraud it's gotta be a Ronald Reagan. Yeah.

Well, if Ronald Reagan had significantly less power and God damn, wouldn't the world be a better place if that was true. But he was telling the truth about having powerful friends. One of them was a guy named Constant Villun, who was a general in the South African army and one of the founders of the Volksfront. Right now, a general in the South African army, and one of the founders of the Volksfront. Right.

Now, Constant Phil Youn was considered the mainstream white separatist leader at this point. He was openly championing the concept of a burschtat. A lot of people had loyalty to him in the military, which was worrying. Now, as the transition to majority rule was not complete, and the roots of apartheid ran into the foundations of every single institution in south africa people began to

fear that in the event that people like say the awb or someone like mangope actually went hot with their threats of civil war that south africa would lose control of its own army, which was commanded by people like Viljun. So like the concept of Viljun and his Volksfront, which ranks are mostly made up of reservists. So like people were pretty fucking worried. Sure. And this included the national party. Like the national party was not 100% sure

if they used the army to listen to to them at this point that's fucking alarming it's not good no now as the protest in bop began to spread mangope saw himself as a victim of vast communist conspiracy perpetrated by the anc and somewhat confusingly the national party who were absolutely communist now the anc yeah absolutely sure but like not the national party who were absolutely communist now the ancy yeah absolutely sure but like not the national party at all you couldn't even call them national socialists taking the train to crazy town it's like if you jump into modern times if you call something anti-communist or communist it literally just means things you don't like, at least in the United States. For people who don't live in the United States, our political reality is very stupid.

Dumb as hell, baby. Now, soon the civil servants were joined by students as the protests grew out of control. And Bop was like barely policed in the best of times because the police were yes men. And so were the soldiers. They're commanded by literal white separatists. So you couldn't expect anything of them the best of times. But like I said before, BOP was split into seven different disconnected chunks of land. So as these protests popped up, they were almost impossible to put down.

There was no continuation here, which, I mean, sure, it was created that way on purpose. So even if Mangope was good at his job, it probably would have been impossible for him to deploy and control this rapidly spiraling situation. Sure.

So he called on Viljun and the Volksfront to help him. This is where things get weird. And I can say for the first time, probably in my show's history, that I reconstructed what happens next from literally these three people talking on camera. Now, Viljun described himself as happy to deploy

what he keeps calling farmers into BAP. I need to point out these are all military reservists for the most part. Yeah. While they may have been farmers, they were armed. And some of them who were not reservists had been trained. This is also where we get a weird break in just what happens next. Mangope and Viljun insist that neither of them ask Eugene Terreblanche and the AWB for help. Nobody

called the AWB for help. While everyone involved in this situation is terribly far right, the AWB was known for being just rabid, racist, and psychopathically violent. Not to mention, the swastikas were

off-putting. If you use the swastika, man, i know oh well it's not a swastika because of this technical motherfucker uh i think there's actually uh a u.s based neo-nazi group that also uses that logo i would not be surprised uh like unfortunately a lot of things apartheid era south africa gets a lot of very strange fanboys much like rodigia does and i'm willing to bet that graph is a fucking circle oh for sure dude now the reason why there's some confusion here is the volksfront and the awb were political allies and they had worked together before, like on the storming of the World Trade Center in Ventersdorp. So,

Ter Blanche announced that he and the AWB were simply going to go help anyway. Now, when Ter Blanche went public with his intention of joining forces with the Volksfront and the BOP government, parts of the BOP police and army mutinied, joining the protests and taking their weapons with them.

Alright. Thanks, guys. Bill Yoon, who was somehow the most level-headed in this entire group, Jesus fucking Christ. attempted to stop Terre Blanche from getting involved, and he went to the head of their political alliance, which is known as the

White-Right Alliance. Or like the white wrong alliance that's right owned there's no coming back baby no no i got you uh but i'm racist without going into the reality of their politics i'm sure you can imagine what they are now the head of this alliance told ter blanche to fuck off and not go near bop because not because of any political differences remind you they're all part of the white right alliance, but it was optics.

They had the AWB on call for a very specific reason. You needed someone to do just street violence, AWB were your people 10 times out of 10. But they were not good when cameras were on them. Again, because they were insane racists who wore swastika armbands.

When you needed someone to make a political stand to make their political arguments mainstream, you called it vilune. And that's what he was trying to do. So the political alliance told Terre Blanche to fuck off. And even this group of white nationalists knew their entire mission would be disregarded by people at large if they allowed their Blanche in. Because most white people in South Africa who were baseline white supremacists at best. Right. Considered the AWB a bit much. They didn't want them going anywhere near it.

It's like being a white supremacist. Not this guy, though. Yeah, exactly. I mean, granted, Terry Blanche brags they had a membership of a half million at some point, but that's probably not true. It was probably 100,000 at least, though. So, I mean, which is still a minority. I hate Nazis. Now, more specifically, Villian probably knew that the AWB showing up in BOP would cause things to fly off the handle. And the Volksfront might be able to bring peace, quote unquote peace, mind you, to BOP.

There's a magic of street violence. That's right. Now, Terre Blanche said he cut a deal with President Mangope himself, something that Mangope, in interviews, completely denies. I just love it. Like, no, no. I do have to say this is the one time I believe Mangope is telling the truth. In Mangope's telling of the story, he got a call from Terre Blanche offering help, which he refused. A double.

Yeah, exactly. Whatever really happened, and honestly, I have no idea. This could be both the Volksfront and Mangope attempting to clean up their history because of what happens next. Terre Blanche and the AWB

decide to rally their forces anyway and go to BOP. According to Terre Blanche, like I said, AWB had about a half million people, according to him, and they mustered around 6,700 men, armed mostly with sidearms and pistols. But that number is way too fucking high. Yeah. Now, as much as I find Viljoen disgusting, he's much more open and honest with his beliefs.

So I find him more trusting on the nuts and bolts of most situations that he found himself in outside of his horrible politics. Existence. Yeah. He said that only around 600 AWB men showed up while the Volks front had about 4,500, which I believe. There's no reason. And not to mention, when you look at the pictures, there's honestly not that many AWB men because 600 people showed up and they slowly trickled away. This was not a rigidly uniform military organization,

no matter how much Terra Blanche wanted that to be the case. But the Volksfront and the AWB moved in convoys and personally owned vehicles, which does look kind of funny on video. According to Viljun, his men under the command of Ushtain were unarmed at the time. This was not because they didn't

own guns, but it's because of an agreement that they had with Mangope that in the event of Mangope needing the Volksfront's help, Bop's own defense force would supply them with weapons, which was the agreement. Now, the AWB did not have that agreement.

Their agreement was don't come. So they ended up bringing pistols and shotguns mostly, which ended up being a very, very good thing that that's all they had. Right. Meanwhile, in Praetoria, the national government heard

about this massive movement of men and realized that if Viljun and Terre Blanche mission to prop up Mangope and shrug off the so far mostly peaceful transition to majority rule, the South African army made up of mostly white men and ran by white men would almost certainly refuse to fight them because of their loyalty to Viljun, who was considered a military hero and former general of the SADF. So if these guys are successful, this transition's fucked. And because that is the case, they can't send the army out to stop them because they probably won't listen. So literally their entire plan boiled down to we just have to sit back and hope they fail. Oh, that is terrifying.

Which is kind of incredible in retrospect. Like really all we're going to do is cross our fingers on this one, folks. All right. Good luck, everybody. Now, the Volksfront men arrived in Bopp staying at the military airfield where the plan was to get the weapons from the stores in the hangars. And then they would venture out the next day and, quote, restore order to Bop, as Viljun put it, which probably just meant shooting everything that moved.

But we don't know that because thankfully that part didn't happen, at least on behalf of the Volksfront. at least on behalf of the Volksfront. Terre Blanche and the AWB were also allowed into the airbase despite everyone claiming he was not invited. This is one of the weird details of the story. Everybody claims he was not invited and he was told to fuck off,

but they let him in anyway. General Jack Turner, the white man in charge of Bob's army, demanded that Terre Blanche and the AWB leave immediately. turner is one of the guys i had to like qualify with he only looks reasonable because he's next to ter blanche he's still a fucking asshole this is because as bad as the situation was ter blanche was in the airbase while his men were kind of just running wild um The AWB were just like doing drive-by shootings

all around BOP and shooting anything that moved, gunning down random black people, seemingly for sport. Now, the idea that they're literally hunting people for sport is not hyperbole. It's supported by the actual accounts of Greg Marinovich, who was a member of the Bang Bang Club,

is the nickname of conflict journalists who were there. And yes, I do have to qualify that with Greg Marinovich is a white man as well. So he has no reason to lie for these people. He heard AWB men tell him, say, quote, we are on a blank shooting picnic. The blank is the K word, which is the Afrikaans version of the N word, and I'm not

going to use it. Yeah, if you want to hear it, watch Blood Diamond, where Leonardo DiCaprio uses it. So, again, this group of white nationalists got together and told Terre Blanche to fuck off because he was making them look bad

and making this already bad situation way worse this is made even worse than that when elements of the BOP army saw the AWB in army headquarters and assumed that they were all in cahoots with one another and soldiers

being soldiers and cops being cops rumors began to spread. Soon, civilians heard that the AWB was in town. Because, I mean, at this point, even though the AWB had been shooting at people, they were speeding by in cars. Nobody was entirely sure. Now, because AWB and the Volksfront were together with Jack Turner, soldiers saw no functional difference between them. So now the entire mission is fucked. The Volksfront cannot be seen as a quote unquote force for good to bring peace and stability into this situation because they've now been seen to hang out the AWB.

So the soldiers refused to hand the Volksfront members weapons that General Turner and the BOP Defense Force had promised Viljoen. And so now the Volksfront's unarmed, soldiers are mad, the AWB is committing a pogrom. Things are going poorly! Soldiers warned Turner that if the white militias didn't leave BOP,

they were going to turn on them. So then, Terre Blanche and the AWB agreed to leave. Though there was an agreement before this that they would work with the Volksfront, but they'd have to take off their AWB logos, which again, is a swastika. Right. And then the AWB men,

despite being told by Terre Blanche to take it off, refused to take it off. So then they agreed to leave. They began to pile into their trucks and cars and drive out of back towards Ventersdorp. As they did, the convoy turned into one big rolling drive-by shooting, firing at anyone they saw

in their way. There's a lot of footage of this you can see. It's freely available on YouTube if you really want to see it. It includes like Survivor's account because the AWB still kind of exists Tara Blanche is dead but they have a lot of apologists to say this never happened you can literally watch it

people fucking recorded it nobody's entirely sure how many people the AWB killed but the numbers start to be between 10 and 50 with probably double that wounded now as you can imagine this was the straw that broke the already shattered with probably double that wounded. Now, as you can imagine, this was the straw that broke the already shattered spine

of the soldiers in the Bop army. They're like, you know what? Fuck this. Even the guys that were still maintaining loyalty to Mangope, this is too much for them. They wouldn't do it. They wouldn't put up with this

even if their boss told them to. As some AWB columns made their way through the capital not every road was made clear for them at one point an angry crowd now made up of black and white people as well as soldiers who were armed gathered in the street to block their way when the awb opened fire on the racial harmony right when the awb opened fire to clear the way bop soldiers finally had enough and returned fire on a blue AWB driven car. And you can actually watch this moment occur.

And they hose that bitch. I have to admit, it's pretty gratifying. Now, within eyeshot of rolling cameras, BOP soldiers hose this car with bullets. They kill the driver, AWB General Nicolas Fourier, and wound two other people, AWB Colonel Alwyn Wolfard and AWB Field Cornette Jacobus

Stephanus Uys. Hans fuckass. Hans fuckass. Now, at this point, Wolfard stumbles out of the car, pointing a gun at a crowd that had begun to gather around the disabled car. Drag through the streets. Drag through the streets.

Someone helpfully points out to old Colonel Wolfard that how bad of an idea it would be if he shot anyone else that day. Now, at this point, a BOP police officer walks up and takes his gun from him. Then they're thrown to the ground and you can hear them pleading for help. Well, you can watch this on video as well. It's great. I believe it's Wolfard. He's like, my friend, he needs a medic. My friend, he needs a medic.

I made him Italian. I'm sorry. I can't do a South African accent. And again, five minutes before, they were doing drive-by shootings on these people because they thought they were less than human because of the color of their skin. Now, they find themselves surrounded by armed mutiny police officers and soldiers, as well as more than a couple dozen incredibly pissed

off civilians. Tough way to go, man. Now, they had discarded their lovely swastika armbands at this point that they enjoy wearing so much. Probably smart. And that's when a police officer who i will not name uh walks up to them and asks them are you awb and the man says yes yes we are awb and the police officer executes them at point blank range while the camera is

filming the entire thing summary executions bad stuff happens you know what I'm fine with this he fucked around he found out like if you're doing a goddamn pogrom through the streets of a city and one of the people you're trying to murder kills you back

that's not a crime that's consequences even it these are like the only AWB guys to die that's not a crime that's consequences that's just evening the score yeah yeah and even then they didn't even it these are like the only awb guys to die oh that's a shame now this ended the the bop coup but more than that it pretty much took the wind out of the sails of the white idea of armed resistance at the start of majority rule in South Africa. The white population of South Africa at this point had been purposefully made numb to the incredible amount of state violence being done and used to keep them in power. White people didn't

see generally the horrible crimes their security forces were committing to keep black people down. But as Mack Maharaj, a member of ANC, and I believe is later part of the Ministry of Transportation, I think. He pointed out that the fact that this is recorded and shown, this is shown on the news, that watching these AWB guys get executed on TV. As you will. Like it showed the white right alliance, the cost that they would pay if they were committed to racial separatism, you would end up dead in the street. And like Maharaj points out to like more than the men,

this showed the people who were not dedicated to that struggle, the support system, their families, things like that. This is what your future looks like if you commit to this ideology. Not to mention, it looked real bad even outside of that. You had people wearing swastikas, murdering people in the street. You saw the race war that people were worried about. Right. And the people saw, frankly, how awful it was. To be fair, the black population of South Africa was more than aware of what racial state violence looked like.

They didn't need to be told anything more. But it was white people. This finally showed what that would look like. Not to mention the white right alliance kind of crumbled as an effective block in any sort, because while this was happening, while the AWB was being murdered in the street, the folks front refused to come to the raid. Funny how that happens. Now, at this point, the South African government finally got involved. Now, at this point, the South African government finally got involved. They sent the military under the gu Viljun, the commander and one of the founders of the Volksfront, and like I've pointed out, considered the most able to throw this entire transition to majority rule

into chaos, ordered his men to vote. Wow. Yeah. It turned out getting your brain scattered on the side of the road in Bapathaswana changes a few minds. Yeah. All right. Now, as we know, white rule was ended and Nelson Mandela did become president of South Africa in order to heal the nation, bring everyone together. They launched the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, where the gross human rights violation of mostly the apartheid era government could be investigated and lay bare for everybody to see and people could admit their crimes and apply for amnesty

where overwhelmingly amnesty was approved with the exception of very few people. It's not for any of us to say if that was a good or a bad thing. I think it's the best case scenario. Yeah, least bad scenario. Yeah. Least bad option. Sure. But not a happy one, certainly.

Right. Like, for instance, Eugene Terreblanche was granted amnesty. That's not being dragged through the streets at all. So was the police officer who shot the AWB man. Okay. All right. Which I have to say is great. Now, Eugene Terreblanche would end up going to prison

a couple of times for other reasons independent of the amnesty he was granted for his various hate crimes and i will say it's not my place to judge the truth and reconciliation commission but i will say the journey towards restorative justice is sometimes a long one and that journey for eugene ter blanche ended on april 3rd 2010 when he was beaten to death of a pipe and hacked to death with a machete by two former employees who were pissed off that he hadn't paid them for their work good a happy ending well right yeah you know yeah that's good that is good that is good now unfortunately one of the two men were found guilty of for his murder and sent to life in prison but the other one walked free so that seems unnecessary

yeah he was doing a civic service now i will end this on a good note liam we do a segment on this show called questions from the legion where we answer your questions you can ask us uh via dms and patreon through our Discord email I always say this as if I'm unfamiliar with the concept because you always say Liam you can attach your message to machete and plant it Eugene Terplanch's skull um

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