Lions Led By Donkeys Podcast - Episode 229 - Witold Pilecki, The Auschwitz Volunteer Part 3
Episode Date: October 10, 2022The conclusion to the story of Witold Pilecki Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/lionsledbydonkeys Get Joe's new book: https://www.amazon.com/Frontier-Corps-Military-Sci-Fi-Forlorn-ebook/dp/...B0B5YJD7J2/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3KIOPIRCXJ4D1&keywords=joe+kassabian&qid=1665384891&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjI4IiwicXNhIjoiMi44MiIsInFzcCI6IjIuODYifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=%2Caps%2C189&sr=8-3 Sources: Witold Pilecki. Auschwitz Volunteer: Beyond Bravery Adam Koch. A Captain's Portrait: Witold Pilecki - Martyr for Truth Jack Fairweather. The Volunteer
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I'm Joe, and with me is Liam.
Hello Liam.
You are so enthusiastic for being, what is it, 5.57am your time.
That is what the advantage of chemicals are and mostly just
caffeine i don't i don't i don't do anything else just a lot of caffeine leo actually actually my
blood is 30 dmt at this at this point um if if you took my blood i think there would be like
crystals of instant coffee floating within it oh you got oh
yeah instant coffee i remember when i was on birthright sorry and uh i i had they didn't i
was in israel obviously uh and they don't have any goddamn you know american style drip coffee
so i was smearing instant coffee packets on my gums.
Yeah, it's a weird thing that when you move to certain countries abroad,
that if you're used to the normal, like, I'm going to wake up and start my nice gallon of coffee in my coffee machine.
My souvenir mug I got at Niagara Falls.
Yeah, that is one thing
that I made sure to bring when I moved
because like all the coffee cups here are tiny
and I brought three,
like what we would consider
normal American coffee cups
because they are three times the size.
Like I don't feel like shelling out the money
for like a drip coffee machine
because, you know because I live alone.
I'm not going to drink a liter of coffee every morning.
Not with that attitude.
But I do want to drink what amounts to be three cups of coffee that you would get at the corner cafe here.
So, Liam, how are you doing, bud?
I'm good, dude.
I'm good. Yeah, i got engaged yeah i saw that
congratulations i think that's the the first time in the history of the pod that someone got engaged
in the middle of a series yeah i i assume my uh hopefully my marriage uh does better than uh
people lucky here well i mean I mean, if your marriage
ever becomes comparable
to breaking into Auschwitz,
we have other problems.
Yeah, that's not wrong, man.
That's a good point.
I would love for my beloved to not
A, be sent to a death
camp, or B, be comparable to a death
camp to my people.
She is Catholic, so you know i mean
so the options are still open who knows man corinne please don't listen to this episode
so i was listening to uh my fiance's podcast and you know he was really hoping i was not
the human equivalent of auschwitz so i think we should probably call this one off
that's that's why the good lord of thechwitz. So I think we should probably call this one off. No, no, no, no, no.
That's why the good Lord of the couples counts.
Together we can get through anything.
And I definitely believe you're not the human equivalent of Auschwitz.
Neither of us believe that.
So, you know, it's good.
So we are on part three of the Vitold-Pelecki saga.
And I will say that this one does not have auschwitz in it
however you probably all know this series is an ending with like a happy ending right like
everybody knows this no this he's gonna get got and we're gonna have some opinions we're known
for our opinions uh i mean we're talking about poland in world war ii
nothing about this ends well no um so when we left you last time warsaw was about to explode
well explode again it already exploded two other times at this point for different reasons
and yeah we will talk about the the warshetto Uprising at some point.
This is a different Warsaw Uprising.
So I hope I didn't get anybody's hopes up.
I don't want to say scoreboard, but I am proud of my people for holding out for, what, 28 days?
It's hard to operate two machine guns at once with both your middle fingers in the air at the same time it was it was pretty it's a crazy story and i think it's not really told all that well
uh in most places that try to no no i don't i don't believe that either i'll buy that
not that i'm gonna be like obviously we'll tell it the best but you know we will now uh this other warsaw uprising this occurred as the nazis overall lot
in the war was what i guess you could call it terminal decline since about 1944 i mean you
could really say it before then um but this is when the like regular people in poland were really starting to notice like wow
the nazis are nazis are down bad um so like their backs have been broken in the east soviet forces
were nazis are down horrendous able broad's not responding to dms things are going poorly
on the eastern front here uh like their back had been broken in the east. Soviet forces
were rapidly steamrolling through
the remnants
of the Barbarossa force.
Before long, the Red Army
was in eastern Poland itself, and
they are expected to reach the banks of the
Vistula River and encircle
Warsaw itself
pretty much any day by the end of
July. Meanwhile, the rest of the Allies had
stormed ashore at Normandy and were beating back the Nazis in France. While much of the Polish
Home Army was really hoping on a rapid Western Allied advance that would force the Nazis to pull
much of their forces back to face them and pull them out of Poland, that just hadn't happened.
to face them and pull them out of Poland.
That just hadn't happened.
Without that, the Poles were facing a garrison of tens of thousands of battle-hardened German soldiers with better weapons,
better training, and much more equipment.
Because at this point, the Poles have a fair amount of guns,
but it's mostly shit to the air ball to steal and smuggle.
The Polish Home Army in Warsaw
isn't exactly a professional army, you know.
Just, I don't know, what's a Polish name?
Justin Rosniak and friends.
So that left them effectively with two options.
Lay low until the Soviets showed up.
Kick the Nazis out and then surrender the Home Army to the Soviet Army.
This option was incredibly unpopular for obvious reasons.
By this point, Stalin's plans for a very much not independent Poland
were very well known.
And even the communists and socialists
that had shacked up with the Home Army for this
were not excited about that prospect.
We'll talk a little bit more about the people
who ended up becoming the Soviet proxy forces
made up of Poles.
But there was the Home Army.
The Home Army was effectively apolitical.
They were not explicitly anything.
Anybody could show up and join us please
get out of our fucking country thanks yeah yeah it was like anti-double occupation forces there
was communists and socialists there was a couple anarchists there were people that were a shy uh
like hair's length away from effectively being neo-naazis. It was when those situations were like,
look, we're going to put all this aside until later.
You know?
Yeah, I suppose they would just be Nazis then.
Yeah, you're right.
Now, the Allies, and by that I mean the US and Britain,
had been on board for a large-scale Polish insurrection
within occupied Poland,
well, within the German portion of occupied Poland,
for quite some time.
And the government in exile had been trying to get their support for it for years because
they only could get support from the US and Britain.
Everybody knew the Soviets were not really on board with this.
Right, right, right.
Now, this is despite the fact that at the same time, the Soviets were calling for a
full Poland-wide uprising on Radio Moscow during their advance towards Warsaw at the same time.
At least make our jobs easier for 10 minutes right until we crush you underfoot like a bug.
Well, I mean, the thing is, it was effectively propaganda, right?
Obviously, they didn't support a wide-scale Poland-wide insurrection.
They controlled a fair amount of Poland.
They didn't want that in their backyard.
The Soviets were only going to support proxy forces which they could control.
I mean, the US and the UK generally do the same thing.
Otherwise, it gets messy, as recent history would suggest.
Otherwise, it gets messy, as recent history would suggest.
Now, the only support that the US and Britain were able to muster for the Home Army were some supply drops and a crisp high five or two.
However, just when things were beginning to look completely hopeless for the Poles, a flood of German soldiers fleeing the East swept through Poland. The Germans were a haggard mess.
There's no hiding anymore
how bad they were.
They were barely dressed in
uniforms that still fit on their back.
They were leaving the wounded on the side
of the road. They were
frostbitten, skinny,
thirsty. They were running for their
lives from the Red Army.
Only signs that to say things going
poorly yeah uh like there was no hiding anymore about how bad off they were like this seemed to
be the kind of demoralizing show that absolutely crippled the local nazi administrative state
within poland uh soldiers dressed in rags and some of them not even with boots
marched through the streets of warsaw as polish civilians went out to heckle and throw things at
them like they were singing polish national songs hucking shit out of the windows like
previously this ends with you like against a wall right you know uh or you know maybe not
immediately but you'll be sent to
a camp or or everybody in your entire apartment would get swept up in a gestapo raid for for this
kind of outright anti-nazi behavior right this time they just didn't like they're like we we
can't enforce shit anymore um right and it's because at the same time this is happening warsaw was effectively an
open war zone uh resistance ambushes and acts of sabotage have become so common that nazis did not
leave their barracks like the end and when they went outside and remember this is a place that
had been uh occupied for fucking years at this point um like and all of the nazi garrisons and like police stations have
been fortified and if anybody left they had to go in like a full squad like a dozen people
armed like they were going on a combat mission just to go across warsaw you know um good good
no nazis should be afraid to leave their doors and then when they do leave their doors to get
their legs blown off and then fed to them.
I think that's perfectly reasonable.
Yeah, the
German delicacy of
self-leg.
I'm sure there's a bizarre
world word for it.
If you say it fast enough, it sounds like one
of those incredibly long German compound
words they enjoy so much.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm i'm saying joe now after this hilarious parade of nazi misery all remaining order within the occupied
not german occupied poland broke down shops ran by nazis and their sympathizers which were mostly
german uh ethnic germans uh ethnic german, stuff like that. Because they were obviously benefiting
from this arrangement. They all
closed down and everybody realized
we got to get the fuck out of here.
The Reich in
Poland is dead.
Socialism is coming. We're about to be publicly
owned.
And they were
getting on any kind of
motorized anything they could get the fuck kind of motorized anything.
They could get the fuck out of there faster.
A lot of people were just walking.
My personal favorite was SS men were getting drunk in broad daylight
and crying on the streets until Polish resistance members came up and beat them to death.
I mean, of course, there was the normal wide-scale looting.
And normally, you'd expect the looting to come from the Poles.
Like, aha, authorities are gone.
Let's go get food and shit.
But instead, it was German soldiers.
They were just packing every bit of wealth they could and driving back towards Germany.
However, Hans Frank, if you remember that asshole, he was still in charge,
and he had been ordered by Hitler to create Fortress Warsaw.
Oh, wow.
Yeah. There was also an ongoing German counter-offensive that was desperately
attempting to break the Soviet advance towards Warsaw. And for the resistance inside the city,
little to no information to go off of and
they couldn't really make concrete plans for an uprising yet because there's too many unknown
variables like what if the germans win in in their counter-offensive against the soviets like our
our uprising will be fucking pointless right what if the soviets are just steamrolling them then we
don't really have to do anything because then it would be a waste.
Are the Americans coming?
Are the British coming?
What should we do?
Nobody's talking to them.
That's awful.
That's good.
Yeah.
I mean, if they launched a successful uprising after a German victory, it was a suicide mission.
They're all dead.
Right.
However, if they launch at the same time as the soviets broke the german counter-offensive it could work they would find themselves in a very
short two-front war right like a two-front battle uh they had would have they would have nowhere
safe to uh retreat from and the soviets certainly weren't talking uh to. No, because they have plans for you.
Yeah, and they were not...
They no longer recognized the Home Army, but we'll talk about that.
Oh, that's quick.
That was quick.
On the advice of his intelligence chief, General
Komorowski cited that
they decided to call off
the uprising until they got more information.
Which, for an intelligence chief,
normally when I bring those up on the show, it's due to a colossal fuck up. This time...
An oxymoron, if you will.
Yeah, exactly. This time, not so much. Now, from where the resistance was sitting,
the battle had been at best between the Red Army and the Nazis, fought to a standstill on the
outskirts of Warsaw. And they would, if they could,
buy their time until they knew that the outcome was certain.
They couldn't...
Oh, sure.
There's no point in putting your guys out there
if the Soviets are going to clean it up.
Now, there is a small problem, though.
This is a good idea.
But Hans Franks, the local Nazi administrator, wasn't an idiot, which normally helps if the local
occupation authority is dumb as hell, but he wasn't. He realized with the ongoing counter-offensive,
the battle will eventually come to Warsaw, no matter what happens. Also, he needs to build this fortress Warsaw.
So there's also,
Frank's knew about the home army.
Everybody knew about the fucking home army.
So he needed to find a way to defang them.
So they don't have like this enemy support directly in Warsaw.
Right.
So he ordered the conscription of all polish men between the
ages of 17 and 65 yeah now this was this wasn't for military service um uh palecki wasn't sure
if this was for mass deportation which was probably was and at this point if the germans
remember this is 44 at this point if the germans you in a train, you are going to be murdered.
And Plecky knows that better than anyone in the Polish Home Army.
Yeah, the guy got out of Auschwitz.
Yeah.
Might have an idea.
Now, there was also the possibility that they were going to be used as forced labor to build this fortress Warsaw.
Either way, Plecky was pretty goddamn sure.
Not thrilled.
Yeah.
Plecky was pretty sure no. Pilecki was pretty sure
no matter if he was digging a trench
or getting in a train, this all ended with him
back in Auschwitz.
Not to mention, this was
done to sap the strength of
the Home Army. 17 to 65
is virtually every man.
Yeah, it's virtually the entire thing.
So, Komorowski
knew that he couldn't let his men be
snatched up for forced labor in a date with a fucking unventilated box in the countryside
so he ordered a general mobilization for all of warsaw's resistance under his command unfortunately
of course this was a snap decision they don't really have a lot of plans so they're just like now they have to be the home army was going to
attempt to secure warsaw oh boy because now they have no choice yeah now it's weird how my orders
just say march or die pussy your entire company go change that light bulb now the home army was
attempting to uh like had was attempting to work on
this uprising plan for a while.
They even had a name for it because
in my opinion, you need to come up with a cool
operation name and then work your way back.
Nobody cared.
Totally agree with you.
They called it Operation Tempest.
Solid name. Could also be
a dad butt rock band
name.
Hey, bro,
you want to go see Operation Tempest at the State Fair?
Oh, yeah, dude.
But it wasn't a solid plan.
They knew
they had decided their
local rallying points. They had
some weapons caches, but they didn't
have all that many.
It was all at the last minute because their hand got forced.
What's the idea?
Now, after mobilization was ordered,
commanders began getting all of their men into position.
And on August 1st, 1944, the Second Warsaw Uprising began.
However, because Frank's orders had kind of forced their hand,
like I said, for Operation Tempest, they also had to launch it before full mobilization and before preparations had been done.
They were really hoping on having more guns.
Not everybody would have a gun.
There's quite a few holes running through the streets at night.
But also, they had to launch it before the
mass
conscription date. So that meant not everybody
was able to get to their previous
established positions, which were
all picked
because they were near their
objectives. They knew they needed
to capture the hard points.
They had to capture garrisons,
Gestapo stations, administrative
buildings, shit like that.
Of course, there's guns inside the police
stations and the garrisons, but
they also need to cut the head off of the
command by capturing administrative buildings.
But they couldn't get
into position.
And because they couldn't have guns
at home, that would be too suspicious. Those
positions were where the guns were stashed.
So at 5 p.m., when they were ordered to just launch, they were just randomly throughout the city.
So they just had to pick the nearest German position and assault it.
Sometimes it was only just a random checkpoint, like a German owned building.
And because they didn't get to their previous established positions, they couldn't pick up the rifles in a lot of cases or submachine guns or pistols.
So like one checkpoint got assaulted by screaming Polish people armed with rocks and a plank of wood with a nail in it.
Did it work?
That's my question.
If it works and it's stupid work that's why that's my question yes it should
if it works and it's stupid it's not stupid yeah uh because of course they could like you get
brained with a plank of wood with a nail in it how embarrassing dude so much for your fucking
master race my my guy is laying there half open on the sidewalk yeah it's a lot like you know uh
the former japanese prime minister
being murdered with a homemade t-shirt cannon like this is not a place of honor too bad
imagine that like the the nazi state putting all this time and effort to train
uh warsaw and you can't beat with a fucking flintstones weapon viatcha sloth from the top rope
and then you know after you shove a nail through home dude's forehead you grab his weapon and his
ammo and scamper back off into the city sure problem solved you know honestly what uh so where v told palecki was in
the middle of all of this so he uh found himself the group of local teenagers as they as they were
noted in the volunteer they did not say resistance member they said quote local teenagers
and they they waited in an alleyway until a german car passed by and they like hucked
something in front of it like uh like a big fucking obstacle the car ran into it and none
of these guys had guns so like they had just ran up on the car like reached them through the window
pulled them out and stomped their fucking heads in until they were dead so they just mario got mario carded them they got
they got blue shelled you tied to a blue shell uh it's so whimsical when nazis die it's it's like
this scene from fucking the first hostile film where he uh he blackmails the kids with candy
to beat the mafia men to death just like drug out of their
cars and like the craziest part is this was kind of working throughout the city because
to the germans there was no rhyme or reason or pattern or plan to what was going on just like
huh suddenly all of our men are getting murdered with flintstone weapons this is weird and not to
mention they were so worried about the soviets on the other side of the river that like they weren't really sure what to do like
they seem to be being attacked by a mob rather than a well-laid military plan from the local
resistance but either way by the end of the first day of the uprising the home army was in control
of the center of warsaw as well as a few other parts of the city
things were going pretty well now this because a lot of a lot of that uh had to do with that chaos
right like the germans had no idea how to react uh their rapid success meant that the germans still
had no idea like where to go next.
There was still the obvious problem of not having
enough firepower. So that meant that
the Germans, once they realized like, hey,
we're getting clapped on every street corner here
by fucking angry kids with a fistful of
like a sock full of marbles
or whatever.
They just retreat back into their hardened
positions and start reorganizing.
The local commander didn't even bother to report this as a major incident and left it to the local SS garrison to handle.
There's no need to make all of us look bad politically by saying, hey, there's a fucking uprising.
We need reinforcements.
Let's just let the local anti-partisan forces, you know, read Death Squad, handle this, right?
However, by 530 that evening, things had gotten bad enough where he had to pick up the phone and call a little guy named Heinrich Himmler.
I'd be like, boss, we got a fucking problem.
You would not believe how many of our guys are being brained with party, party, brawl weapons.
Oh, oh, my
poor boy.
What's dumb German
name Franz?
He didn't even see
the Fred Flintstone
gun coming.
There's a fucking
spears.
We're not sure what's
happening.
You guys know
sobbing into the
microphone as as
Franz and friends are
brutally murdered by
the by the Polish
home army.
You guys know the
crank gun from future rob we get murdered with a scooty puff junior up in this bitch
and then as their technicals are driving the way they do that
the flintstone car yeah i'm tired of getting run down by flintstone cars
fuck the nazis that's funny now himmler did the most
himmler thing possible he called the commander of the saxon house and concentration camp
where oh god dude the home army's old resistance leader stefan roweki was being held and ordered
him to be immediately murdered on the spot then he called hitler um after a short talk with hitler
himmler ordered the city to be destroyed entirely
and said, quote,
every citizen of Warsaw is to be killed,
including men, women, and children.
What a fucking dick.
I can't believe I have to say that,
but yeah, Himmler's a dick.
Yeah, this fucking hot take, dude.
So you think this Himmler guy
might be a tad problematic?
Have the decency to let yourself be killed as opposed to taking a suicide
capsule.
You fucking pussy.
I will say on the scale of Nazis who look like absolute fucking losers,
Himmler on the top,
no competition.
Look at that fucking nerd.
Look at him.
One of those stupid little fucking glasses.
Normal glasses existed back then.
You didn't have
to dress like a silent film no you gotta you gotta look like a brooklyn hipster man yeah i'm pretty
sure i've seen polycules made out of entirely dudes that look like this undercuts tiny circular
glasses no bottom like no chin whatsoever nope now a mood of optimism flooded Through Warsaw as rumors began to spread
That the Soviets were almost there
Which meant of course the Nazis
Were going to be on the run soon
People hung Polish flags from the windows
And like civilians ran out and like partied
With the resistance in the street
Everybody assumed that this shit was almost over
Now Palicki wasn't doing any of that
Instead he was doing
What I assume is something he's been
plotting on doing since he was in Auschwitz, and that is
hunting German snipers
through the pitch darkness, stalking
them on rooftops, and then stabbing them
to death one by one. Oh, good. Yeah, no,
I've seen that scene from Inglourious Bastards, and it
rules.
He could have used a gun. He wanted to use
a knife. Yeah, it's
fine.
By day three.
Silencer too loud.
It's the old Polish silencer.
By that mean stabbed to death.
I mean dagger.
By day three of the uprising, he was leading an assault in the local post office when German tanks appeared for the first time. And they were marching civilians in front of them to act as human shields.
The Germans...
Yeah, I'm starting to think
these Germans might not be on the up and up, Liam.
They
just poured fire into the home army.
The home army did not
return fire because they'd end up shooting civilians,
but they did
manage to pretty
easily outrun the tanks because they knew
more so like the back of their fucking hands
oh did the tiger break down
just make the shitty german
tank turn a little bit
too hard and it'll catch on fire and kill the crew
oh it's flipped what a surprise
it just cartwheeling
no it's a pillbox
it's just gonna cartwheel through the air like a PS3 glitch.
But the resistance still, even with tanks in the city,
the resistance was still managing to capture things.
But the optimism didn't last a super long time,
which tends to happen when you're besieged in a city surrounded by Nazis.
Also when you're Polish, just in general.
Yeah, it's a vibe.
The Nazis cut off the city's water supply um so you know because
up at this point the municipal water system still worked which i have to say off topic here that's
incredibly impressive that is very impressive how many times has the city been fucking blown up and
you're still turning on your tap and like ah hot and cold running water i've had apartments in the
united states where that was even a possibility like like oh the wind blew a little too hard my my water is brown now cool meanwhile in a literal
war zone ah water for my tea right um this led to resistance members digging wells into the side of
the fucking road like and trying to tap into pipes yeah and
like the water was described as a quote milky brown um tasty it's not good but people drink it
because they you do i gotta say if i if anybody ever describes almost anything that i'm drinking
as a milky brown i'm out uh i'm not drinking milky
brown sorry even if you described my coffee as milky brown i would be off put that you described
it in such a way but i mean because of you know all these other problems they were also running
along other things like food and ammunition and having to rely completely on what they
grabbed from dead nazis which i I support this kind of requisition.
Yeah, it's not immoral to loot dead Nazis.
No, it's just, it becomes a problem.
Especially right there at the Geneva Convention.
If there's Nazis, you get a pass.
Yeah, no grave robbing, parentheses.
You can grave rob a Nazi.
But the problem is,
it's not the most sustainable logistical system.
You eventually will run out of dead Nazis.
Good problem to have, though.
Yeah, yeah. The crop is good. This um this meant you know in a lot of cases if you don't doesn't have a face anymore if you
had a gun you only had a couple bullets or you didn't have a gun and you know the germans weren't
exactly uh known for their restraint when it came to putting down uprisings. So thousands of people were already dead in the
city. At least 2,000 resistance
fighters and we don't know how many civilians.
A fucking lot. Pilecki was fighting Nazis
room by room, throwing grenades back
and forth when Nazi planes
appeared over the head and began just
carpet bombing what remained of the
not carpet bombed portion of Warsaw.
More tanks appeared
and he more tanks than he had
ever seen before which is impressive when you realize that he fought the invasion um and they
just ran over the barricades that the home army had put in the middle of the streets to try to
ward them off um so everything was pretty pretty quickly collapsing here now they did get around
one thing which was like the the garrison buildings that the Germans and the SS had.
The SS were held up in a hardened, I think it was like a barracks.
Reinforced.
The windows had like sandbags.
Like you weren't going to be able to come in.
They had firing ports and shit in the walls.
So they simply put a fuckload of dynamite on the ground floor and leveled the entire building,
which, this might surprise you,
worked really well.
Yeah.
However, it seemed like
whenever the resistance did something
to raise the morale,
the Nazis did something equally terrible
to drop a ray back down.
I can't believe they would do that.
Yeah, yeah, they're Nazis.
And this is when the Home Army learned
that, quite honestly some of
the most evil motherfuckers in all of nazi germany were coming to their backyard an ss detachment
under the command of eric julius eberhard von dembach zoletsky that just sounds like a
fucking uh mega villain yeah uh he was a former member of the fucking reichstag and he uh who
quickly became i will say one of the most enthusiastic leaders of a death squad in all of Nazi Germany.
He entered the city with his detachment and with the strict orders, like we already talked about, to literally kill everybody.
Those were his orders.
Bok-Soletsky was the commander of the local, this detachment is called Security Warfare, which was one of the several different words that the Nazis for anti-partisan operations.
And this is effectively, well, not really even effectively, it's an ISAT scruping unit.
It's a death squad unit.
And he was put in charge of the entire counteroffensive of entire city he's put in charge of murdering warsaw and while box zoletsky is is
himself one of the most evil men to literally ever curse the earth under his command was arguably
someone who was the most evil oscar fucking dial vonger he was if he's
not the most evil man to ever walk
the earth oh he's fucking up there
fucking close
we're gonna talk a little bit more about him in a
second now around
this time the so-called Warsaw
airlift started
large-scale allied supply drop
mission to feed and arm
the resistance within the city to keep it going.
Bullets, food, water, all of it was down to nothing.
So when you think of an allied airlift effort, you think of more modern things, right?
Because there are some nations, specifically the United States and NATO forces,
that can make just an insane logistic system
appear seemingly overnight.
We're not there yet.
This is 1944. They can't do that yet.
It was
a miserable fucking failure in every way
possible. Now,
some of this reason was because it was effectively
sabotaged by the Soviets.
I mean, not all of it
is their fault. It would have gone a lot better
if they didn't actively attempt to make the mission fail oh we're just gonna stop combat
operations don't worry about why we're doing this oh we'll get to that uh now for starters
the soviets dropped their because like the soviets had to take part right they were part of the allies
they had to put some kind of token effort um this because at this point, they're not entertaining Stalin that much. They're not like, no, you can literally take whatever you want. They're not there yet. So Stalin is still playing his part in the Allies. But he dropped his supplies onto Warsaw without parachutes. That meant everything just hit the ground like a fucking meteor and exploded into uselessness and destroyed on impact.
I mean, we're not sure if that happened on purpose to make sure nothing useful dropped.
But we do know that the US and Britain did use parachutes because, of course, they did.
Like, why would you not?
80% of our supplies, us being the United united states drop into german occupied territory
anyway though yeah yeah we missed entirely because like we were attempting like the the
the allies are attempting to drop supplies on a very small target right and really nothing is
that accurate in this day and age right like you're just flying things wildly into the air
sure sure now you can combine this with what the rest of the Allies
were doing.
And like I said,
seemingly throwing supplies
into the air wildly
without aiming them. About half
of the Allied supplies fell in the German
hands. About 20%
slammed uselessly into buildings or
missed a target so badly the resistance
couldn't recover them. 20% of everything
was completely lost.
It is easier to chalk
all of this up to incompetence rather than
malice, but
it wasn't for a lack of trying.
Remember, Warsaw is deep in Nazi
territory, so these are long flying
missions to try to drop supplies on them.
The easiest place
to launch these missions would be from
Soviet airfields
because they'd be much closer. So the Soviets
simply did not allow their airfields
to be used for the supply drop.
So that's the part that
I cannot chalk up
to incompetence. That's pure malice.
Yeah, exactly. But that distance
that the Allied planes
had to fly
was so long that they couldn't carry a ton of supplies.
They had to carry less, so they went around on gas.
And when they got near Warsaw, they faced a massive curtain of anti-aircraft fire.
They would then fling their already small payload randomly towards the direction of Warsaw or maybe even just, I don't know, the last name of some guy they can't pronounce at all and then try to escape.
This resulted in one aircraft being lost for every ton of supplies dropped.
Oh, Jesus.
Which is catastrophic.
It was bad for everybody.
Other than the Nazis, I guess.
They came out on top of this one. However, this meant that for every bit of advance the resistance made,
they would then have to stop, wait, and hope that they would receive another drop of ammo,
which most of the time they didn't.
They would just watch the boxes fly off into the distance and never get any of them.
So in the downtime, even weeks into the resistance, they had to just
farm dead Nazis for loot. Of course, this made continued forward offensive pressure impossible
because they never had enough ammo to fight through the now prepared Nazi positions.
And as the Germans retook parts of the city they'd lost, Plucky was forced to fight
increasingly desperate rear guard actions
throughout rooms of houses
and kitchens and shit he would have to escape through
right and he
was a long sense out of ammo
he was flinging grenades
at Germans and make them run and then
after like a grenade he'd then throw a
rock that they would also believe was a grenade
so he could take off running fair enough
fair play fair play
at one point his detachment
was running through like a
warren of blown up buildings they
got cornered they realized they have
nowhere to go this is it
this is like a vetoed pleck he's
finally gonna get shot and then as the
Nazis close in
pocket sand
the door flings open and they're rescued by the local
rail yard union armed to the tooth of pry bars
and they just proceed to start braining the shit out of nazis with pry bars
i'd like to believe they show up wearing hard hats and high
vest too here's your safety briefing it's just absolutely splitting fraud's face in half
with the pry oh you love to see it fuck some nazis man
now there's several parts of plecky's memos that reference what he called russian mercenaries
um and if anybody's going to read his book um that requires some explanation uh because you
know his book is a primary source for the war for the warsaw uprising so you know people assume that
there were russian mercenaries like we're not talking about World War II era Wagner group here. From researching Himmler's deployment orders, because
I'm an insufferable nerd. I had to figure out what he was talking about.
I had the best explanation that I could find for this. And the one that makes the most
amount of sense is that they were collaborators of the so-called Kaminsky
Brigade. Because the Germans weren't using
mercenaries. They just fucking conscript you
but there was the kaminsky brigade which is an ss brigade made up of ethnic russians
that was deployed to warsaw and they were deployed there because they're noted for their fucking
like absolute ruthlessness and cruelty that uh that was on in power with like the derlwanger
brigade um and that's who they were teamed up with.
It was obviously Dirlvanger's attachment.
Together, they were under the command of Heinz Reinfarth,
who would commit some of the worst violence that would be seen
outside of a death camp all in Warsaw.
And Dirlvanger's violence in particular was so depraved and terrible.
I'm legitimately on the fence
of ever doing an episode about him
because I think it's just too much.
Like it's...
Psychotic child killer
and molester and rapist.
Yes.
Someone so disgusting
the Nazis did not want to work with him.
Like...
Yeah, but they did anyway,
so there you go.
Yeah, one pressed far enough
like, yeah, right,
we'll employ the serial child murderer rapist.
It's fine.
Collectively, these people were responsible for tens of thousands of murders or more throughout
the city because it's thought that at least 40,000 people at this point were dead. And
these detachments were literally going door to door and murdering everyone they found.
And as a small side note here, because we've been
having a chuckle. I have to
bring that down a bit because this is the Lions Led by Donkeys
podcast. Reinfarth
might be one of the worst Nazi war
criminals to never face any repercussions
for his actions. People like Mengele
don't really count to me because they spent
the rest of their life running with Israeli
fucking murder teams on his heels.
I don't really count. I will say one israeli state gets real right is executing all
nazis might be the only thing we get right you'll never hear any complaints from me
yeah uh hey so you could run but then what we're gonna do right is we're gonna stalk you for months
and then we're gonna uh kidnap you from the bus stop. And then we're going to drug you and dress you as a patient and bring you back to Jerusalem and put you in a bulletproof box and give you what we're going to call a fair trial.
But is it?
And then we're going to hang you.
All right, cool.
Let's do this.
I think my favorite part of that story was that we will absolutely cover at some point is Barbie got burnt by his own uh because his son was hitting on another german that lived
there who's not a nazi uh like a drum a member of a german family who's not nazis like by the way
my dad is klaus barbie yeah like oh how'd that work out for you get kidnapped get kidnapped at
a commercial ill alal-jet.
But Mengele spent the rest of his life running.
I consider... Obviously, that's not justice, but I consider him suffering some repercussions.
Reinfarth didn't do any of that.
He stayed right in Germany and eventually ended up in politics, becoming the first mayor of Westerland, and then at parliament representing Schwestern Holstein until
1967, receiving
a general retirement pension
when he retired. So that's
cool. Yeah. We should have
never rebuilt Germany. We should have
just split it all the way down
into all the tiny
things that used to be Germany.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say
you were the greater
german reich you're now 65 different countries yeah suck it you're all princely states again
and if we reunify and if you try to reunify we'll turn you into whatever the equivalent of we'll
turn them into glasses what we should have done what we should have done what we should have done
you know what cut it nope nope i'm not gonna make that joke i'll make the joke to you off air i know they surrendered use the atom bomb on them
anyway that was the original plan uh to nuke the nuke germany but they surrendered before his uh
before his available fucking quitters uh now uh these mass murders were publicly blamed on the
resistance either directly or the Nazis telling Polish people
they wouldn't have to kill so many of them if the resistance simply surrendered.
So within a month of fighting in the city, there is no optimistic civilian support anymore.
Everybody was either dead, fleeing, tired, sick, whatever, or hiding in a basement,
fearing even seeing a member of the resistance
because that would get them a visit from the local death squad right and not to sugarcoat
things here but the resistance also did this shit um there was a lot of elements of the resistance
that like maybe civilians ran out and joined them they weren't exactly doing background checks to
join the home army and like there's a lot of units of the resistance that you know were freedom
fighters and then there were some that are literally fucking bandits uh taking advantage of a horrible
situation which is 100 always happens like you if you look at if you look at any rebel group or
resistance group even ones that are weirdly popular with younger people today on the internet
they're effectively drug gangs which ones do you mean are very popular with them?
Which one do you mean, Joe?
You can say it.
I know what you mean.
Can't imagine.
Say it, coward.
Now, a lot of these people were reacting to...
I'm afraid of fighters, Joe.
A lot of these guys were reacting, the civilians, I mean, of course.
The reason why they were reacting this way is because of Nazi terror.
But
there is some parts of the resistance that once
things got tough, supplies ran low,
they got hungry, whatever, they turned
on the populace too. So depending on
where you were in the city, the person at your
front door might be a gang of
Home Army dudes or fucking
SS and there was functionally
no difference depending on who it was.
Other times, more
of the extreme
far right wing groups of the resistance
uses a breakdown of law,
order, and even command at this
point to specifically
target the remaining
Warsaw Jewish population. Sometimes
this ended, say in the case of
Vitold's detachment
and him shooting at other resistance members
to protect civilians.
So like, not exactly
a recipe for military success
in the city.
There's literally parts of the resistance who are
at war with each other.
Not to mention that there's some who are
outright fucking bandits
preying on civilians.
And on the other side of that is Oscar fucking dialing.
You're like,
there's no winning here.
A hard place.
One might say,
yeah,
no matter how hard the resistance fought,
there was little they could do to hold back the tide of the German war machine.
And while they're on the ropes, they're still much stronger than the home army.
V told his men were trapped in a building's basements for days at a time
as the city was destroyed around them.
Because the Nazis decided, even using literal psychiatric patients,
like some of the dudes from Dahlwanger's detachment were.
Because that's not even a euphemism.
That was literally where they came from.
They were released from prison, many of them serving cases
for multiple murders and rapes.
A lot of them were considered psychotic,
even by Nazi standards.
They were probably, if they didn't get
pressed into the SS, they would have been
T-Ford. They were so
crazy by them.
Instead, they get put into
an SS uniform. They finally decided that
they didn't even want to lose them fighting street to street. So they just started carpet bombing entire city blocks
rather than fight house to house. And while all this was going on, the Home Army was still
assuming in their last shred of optimism that the Red Army was going to show up anytime and help
them. Arguments aside, a Soviet division being thrown in the fray definitely would have sent
the German forces that were still fighting in the city
to run.
Mostly because the Dahlwanger Brigade
and people like it were not
soldiers. They didn't fight.
They murdered.
They weren't used to
fighting people that shot back.
Specifically,
later on before Dahlwanger gets killed
in captivity,
his forces nobody knows how
yeah beaten to death by members of the home army if i remember correctly
nobody knows yeah the like they were noted for like being in terrible soldiers they don't fight
they murder and at the first sign of like actual resistance they generally ran away. So Soviet assistance absolutely would have worked.
And the US and the UK were screaming at Stalin to send home army assistance as they were literally with an eyeshot of Warsaw.
Now, eventually Stalin caved, but not in the way that you think.
He eventually authorized 1,600 Polish soldiers from his own Polish army detachments to cross the border and join the battle.
However, they could only carry the weapons in their hand, like their personal small arms.
They'd have no support whatsoever from the rest of the Red Army.
And when you think about it, you're Stalin, which I hope you're not.
This plan makes sense.
It's in the Soviet Union's best interest that they let the Nazis kill the Home Army,
let the Home Army weaken the Nazis, and then just walk in over whatever's left and mop up.
Now, I will say that there's still a fair amount of argument over if this was Stalin's actual plan.
There's no argument that August Stalin directly ordered the army to stop its advance at the same
time that the uprising started, which being a member of the Allied command, of course,
he knew about. There's no doubting that. There's also the opinion of some people,
namely David Glantz, who I should point out is a member of the Russian Federation Academy of
Natural Sciences, that the Red Army simply ran out of its own supply line and had to stop in
order to strengthen it. I don't consider him a good source in this matter, because this might surprise you,
the modern day Russian Federation does not accept any of these criticisms.
Now, there is some legitimacy that the first Belarusian front, which was the unit parked
outside of Warsaw, was pretty beaten up. However, it's also you wouldn't have had to use the entire force. The Nazis didn't actually have that many men in Warsaw at this point. There's things they could have done. And the reason why you can kind of land the dial on they did this on purpose is because other things that they did, not just their lack of movement. For instance, Stalin ordered his forces to do everything they could
from their side to stop any
flow of supplies overland into the
city. This included elements of the
Home Army, which existed within the parts of
Poland under Soviet occupation.
That's sad. Yeah.
He ordered them to be detained
and disarmed rather than allowing them to move
towards the city to join the fight, despite
the fact that previous to this, he supported
a Polish-white uprising.
I mean, verbally.
Not in reality.
It doesn't help the claim that the Soviets are
powerless in this entire thing because a month
before the uprising started,
the Soviets set up what was called the Polish
Committee of National Liberation to compete
with the previously
accepted Polish government in exile,
which did have some
claim to legitimacy, if
anybody did, because they were the pre-war
government. Right.
This group would become the government the Soviets
recognized as a legitimate one when they took over Poland.
So do with that information
what you will.
But it is sure suspicious this all happened
at the same time. after 54 days of fighting
however the commander of the resistance komarovsky met with uh dembok zaletsky to agree to terms of
surrender by the end of september he had managed to negotiate a term that gave the resistance
soldiers proper pow status rather than being insurgents, which would end with
them going to Auschwitz.
It also
sold the civilians of the city out to
what was called
relocation. You know
what that means. I do. I've
heard that one before. And Komorowski
should have known exactly
what the fuck that meant because there's one
guy within his organization that uncovered a lot of information about what relocation means.
And he went for it anyway.
Cool.
I love the species.
In the end, 130,000 people died in Warsaw fighting, almost all of whom are killed by German death squads.
This included all but 5,000 of Warsaw's remaining Jewish population
that had been left from the last Warsaw uprising and liquidation. Around 60,000 of the half million
or so Warsaw civilians that were sent to the camp system were sent directly to death camps.
Now, what's honestly the most surprising about any of this is the Germans actually upheld their
end of the deal regarding POW status for the Home Army. I was like, this is where
Pilecki dies, right? But no,
that's not what happens. The POWs get sent
to Southern Bavaria
at a camp so nice that it's chosen for
Red Cross visits.
That's kind of a mindfuck.
It's fucking whiplash here.
And that's where Pilecki would spend
the rest of the war following
Allied advances over the radio until Warsaw finally fell to the Soviets on January 17th.
After fighting tooth and nail against the Nazis, the resistance within Poland announced their disillusion at the end of World War II, and the government in exile no longer existed because Poland was Soviet now.
They couldn't go back. Any elements of the resistance that stood against Soviet occupation were immediately disregarded by any kind of greater Polish organization, and all support
was cut off from them as Roosevelt and Churchill chucked Poland under the bus. However, none of
that meant Witold Plecky was done fighting. Because remember, in the beginning of all this,
he was going to fight the Soviets too. And by too, I mean, again, like he wanted Poland to be free,
as a lot of people did. Even as the Germans surrendered on May 7th, 1945, and his POW camp
was liberated, he was still kind of working on what was going to happen next. A Polish general
who had been fighting in Italy at the end of the war, Wiatoslaw Anders, decided that his war wasn't
quite over yet. And he needed soldiers to fight to free Poland because
now it's simply occupied again.
Many of his soldiers just went home.
They'd seen enough.
What World War II
did to Poland is, I think, the closest
thing to an apocalypse a living
person has ever seen.
Everybody's like, dude, I'm
fucking done. I'm going home.
What you consider an essential organized structure immediately collapsed. Anders ran into Pleki and they got along great because apparently Pleki has never seen enough fucking awful things for one lifetime. Vito Plecky was. Everybody knew who he was, especially within the Polish Home Army structure,
whether that be for the uprising or for his work in Auschwitz. He was effectively a Polish hero.
So he wanted Plecky to set up an intelligence network, which is generally what he was best at
anyway, within Soviet-occupied Poland and work towards effectively a new kind of resistance.
Now, this time, unfortunately, Pilecki did not have a whole lot of luck.
All of his friends from before the war, all the people that he worked with before were either
out of the game, exiled, or dead. Because if you survive the Gestapo and now you're trying to spy
on the NKVD, you're eventually going to
lose that dice roll. A lot of these
guys end up in a vast fucking network
of NKVD prisons, which effectively
just moved right in and took over what the
Gestapo was doing.
Most of them decided like,
we got to get the fuck out of here.
We can't do this because now they have no
support at all. They have no
friendly governments, nothing.
So he didn't have a network.
VTOL didn't take him long from being there to realize that violent resistance against this is pointless.
They're too in charge.
They have too much support.
We can't do what we did against the Nazis here.
Though other surviving elements of the Home Army clearly didn't have the same ideas, and that
first year of Soviet occupation
was full of raids
on NKVD targets, as well as attacks
on the Soviet-backed government.
These became known as somewhat badass
as the cursed soldiers.
Now, there's probably a lot of people who
was like, whoa, you just called these people badass.
Alright, admittedly, these guys fucking suck.
Now, surviving in small detachments.
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
There's a lot going on here.
So the cursed soldiers, these guys survived in really small detachments in the fucking Polish forests.
And there was some like sometimes you hear them called like the Forest Brothers and like Lithuanian stuff like that.
Same kind of idea.
They would be in really really small
groups
raiding small targets and they
all knew they wouldn't win in a million years
hence the title of cursed soldiers
right when do you think this stopped
1981
okay not quite
these guys these detachments
were on fighting
Soviet occupation until 1965.
That's pretty impressive.
Yeah.
My like, imagine you're fighting a resistance movement from World War Two into the space race.
Yeah.
Now, I need to be since we brought him up.
I do have to be clear.
A lot of these groups were fucking disgusting.
Some of them were
outright Nazis.
One of these groups, the National Armed
Forces, assassinated Polish
Jews within the Home Army.
Thanks, assholes. Yeah, they did a lot of
fucked up things. It turns out,
Liam, this might surprise you. Bear with me.
When you invade a country a bunch of times, you
unleash some pretty awful parts of society.
You sure do.
Yeah. Almost like you did this to yourself there probably wouldn't be armed groups of nazis stalking through the polish forest
if you didn't fucking invade poland like now for vitold his hidden identity was compromised
pretty quick uh while he was back in in Poland and Anders heard about that and like
you need to get the fuck out of Poland and he
refused his friend sold
him out under interrogation in 1947
which I mean admittedly when you know
the things that happen during these interrogations
you can hardly blame them I think we've said
countless times in this show that the
second they sit down like a pair of pliers in front
of me I will sell my own fucking mother
like I am
not going to be tortured no thank you
he was snatched up by the secret police
and at a planned
resistance meeting that got snitched
on he was interrogated
and tortured over 150 times
over the next several months undergoing what was
called plucking the goose
which meant tearing off
everything that could be torn off that wouldn't kill him immediately reportedly he never actually
broke not a single time he knew he knew jesus fuck yeah he i guess the what is said is that
he knew the soviets knew some things about him so those are the only thing that he would talk about
like he wouldn't sell out people that he knew
but he would tell them that he worked for General Anders
which everybody fucking knew
or that he had fought the Soviets during
the invasion like people were aware of that
like he didn't give them anything that they didn't know
this is all done under the command of
Colonel Roman Rumkowski the secret
police would later admit
after the Polish October Revolution
of 1956 his department made up all the crimes they tortured and executed people for.
Every single political crime they shot someone for, he made up.
Now, finally, in 1948, Plucky was charged with treason, planning assassination and being an agent of, quote, foreign imperialism, which I assume is wanting his country to not be occupied.
And he was sentenced to death.
After news of this got out, the international response was pretty good, I guess.
I mean, for as much as a condemnation can go, which is effectively useless.
The Polish government received waves of letters from Auschwitz survivors begging them to spare his life.
They were ignored.
letters from Auschwitz survivors begging them to spare his life. They were ignored. There was even members of the Soviet-backed Polish government who started a petition to save his life because
he was a national hero, and they were all fired. On May 25th, 1948, Witold Pilecki was executed
via a gunshot wound to the back of the head by state executor Petor Similanski, and his body
was dumped in an unmarked grave that has never been found as of 2022.
His last known words, Vito Plecchi refused to beg for mercy from the court and instead said, I tried to live my life in such a fashion that so in my last hour, I'd rather be happy than
fearful. I find this happiness in knowing that the fight was worth it. Now, unfortunately,
since Vito Plecchi's death, his story has been championed by some of the worst people who tend to fall into the camp that tend to proudly call themselves anti-communists rather than actually just calling themselves Nazis.
In America and Poland, these people tend to be very, very far right.
And they happen to be the same people who are engaged in various serious historical revisionism about Holocaust in Poland and rehabilitation of some of the worst characters of the resistance era that are happening currently. However, it's clear to me that
Veeb told Pleki you'd fucking hate these people. He wasn't a neo-Nazi. He was not a hard right
nationalist and he wasn't an anti-Semite. He hated the Soviets as much as he hated the Nazis
because they both invaded his country. Politics had little to do with it. Pleki's story is instead
one of strong moral and religious conviction that ended with him being fucked over by every single person he trusted as Poland was torn apart and sold out for geopolitical imperial powers who cared more about cementing their sphere of influences than any real national liberation, democracy, socialism, or any basic principle of solidarity.
All these fucking people suck and the world is better that they're dead. That's the series.
I don't know how else to end it.
Liam, we do this thing called
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show today's question from legion is what is the dumbest thing you've done at school i'm going to
do with the parentheses here like that also you're not admitting to crimes oh yeah uh i i have a few
they're they're harmless one is i we were given i don't know if you guys had this but uh the week before prom they
did the like don't drive drunk psa only it was like three hours at an assembly outside on the
baseball field and they landed a helicopter they landed the medevac helicopter to like simulate
what happens when you drive drunk and i was so enraged that that's how they were spending like taxpayer fucking money rather than actually educating us uh that i just got up and left and
got in a shit ton of trouble and the other one was i like walked to my parents house and i was
just like i like i'm not like i'm just out like i was like two weeks away from graduating i was
like nah like what are they gonna to do? Fucking extol me.
The other one, and it's funny only in hindsight,
was we were talking about the possibility of arming teachers.
And I grew up in central Pennsylvania.
So guns are very great. Were they talking about doing that while you were in school?
Hypothetically, the district, to my knowledge, has never implemented it.
We just became famous because the district was willing to strip search
children.
Uh,
Oh,
in case they were holding drugs or something.
Yeah.
And,
uh,
and then they got international listeners are probably fucking horrified
right now.
Like they got sued into oblivion.
Whenever I talk about like wild shit that happens in like the American,
like school police state situation,
they're like,
Oh yeah. What the fuck is going on? Right. Exactly. Uh, happens in like the american like school police state situation they're like oh yeah what the
fuck is going on right exactly uh but the other one was i uh they were talking and like someone
i went to school with was like well we should just give the teachers guns blah blah blah blah
and i said the sentence quote do you want to know how long it would take to empty an AR-15 in here. Not that long. And that's when you get suspended.
I did not.
I was sent to the office and they called my dad.
For those of you who don't know, my dad's a lawyer, but he's a retired lawyer.
He did social security, bankruptcy, disability, and a state law.
So nothing glamorous, nothing glitzy.
He was not some high-profile attorney.
state law so nothing glamorous nothing glitzy he was not some you know high profile attorney but he was really good at and the trait of his i have inherited is knowing essentially just enough
to be able to get away with it uh and my dad pointed out it was clearly a hypothetical
he didn't own a gun i didn't own any guns uh and the school was was making a big fuss out of nothing uh and i uh yeah
i got off scott free and i pointed out like i wasn't saying i was gonna empty an ar here i was
saying that somebody could and i was also pointing out like we keep the fucking doors unlocked at
this school like if somebody wanted to like stand by the back door with a shotgun and kill 20 of us
they could like yeah i mean yeah arming arming teachers is not gonna fucking fix anything that's like the the most
american way to solve a problem ever is not to look at any root issues but just slap a gun on
it snap guns on top yeah what okay hear me out liam but what if the school was also a gun
i kind of like the idea of giving teachers guns but only if we also give all the students guns.
Oh, God.
I kind of like the idea of mutually assured destruction in a ninth grade English class.
It's really hard to find guns that fit the kindergartners.
Daringers, tiny little daringers.
I'm trying to remember what the dumbest thing I did in school was.
I'm trying to remember what the dumbest thing I did in school was.
I think this is straight up without an actual explanation of why it's dumb.
Did you ever have kids smoke cigarettes and stuff in the bathroom while you're in school?
I'm sure we did, but there was a courtyard you could smoke pretty discreetly and if you wanted to.
I used camel snus in high school. oh so you were already in almost in your final
form by that point you're you're the snooze guy um i love it i'll never apologize for it
i i was like i pretty routinely smoked cigarettes in the bathroom and you could get away with it
because like if you smoked quickly and you bailed out you'd be gone before someone would tell like
the the school resource officer.
But one time I decided to smoke weed in the bathroom.
Oh, you're an idiot.
Yeah, which smells significantly more strongly than cigarette smoke.
And I probably wasn't smoking for more than a minute and a half before the fucking cop busts into the bathroom.
Wow, that is truly pretty stupid, Joe.
It's a pretty big school. it's a pretty big school it's
a pretty big school but like you know i'm just pretty stupid by joe kasabian well what's the
what's the possibility that fat fuck will actually be walking down the hallways with no known value
yeah and i got suspended I got a possession charge,
et cetera, et cetera.
Then I joined the army like an asshole.
That was like two years later.
Well, eventually you did join the army.
Factually, that's true. I had to finish my probation
or I wouldn't be able to enlist.
Liam, this is the P zone.
Plug your pods.
Oh, yeah.
You have them. You have pods that you cast. 10,000 losses. Well,. Plug your pods. You have them.
You have pods that you cast.
10,000 losses. Well, there's your problem.
You screw it sometimes.
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