Loremen Podcast - Loremen S5Ep48 - The Treasure in the Tower LIVE Part 2

Episode Date: September 7, 2024

We return to the Tower of London and make a last ditch attempt to find John Barkstead's lost treasure. Meet Mr Quarrell (the treasure hunter) and Major Pogson (the big daddy of British dowsing). The y...ear is 1957: will the traitor's horde finally be unearthed? No, of course not. But James will tell a fun story about the Ceremony of the Keys. Come see the Loreboys LIVE in spooky West Norwood Cemetery on Friday 11th October 2024 (2024): https://choose-se27-comedy-festival.designmynight.com/66968247e76bce06372992c8/loremen-podcast-live-recording LoreBoys nether say die! Support the Loremen here (and get stuff): patreon.com/loremenpod ko-fi.com/loremen Check the sweet, sweet merch here... https://www.teepublic.com/stores/loremen-podcast?ref_id=24631 @loremenpod youtube.com/loremenpodcast www.instagram.com/loremenpod www.facebook.com/loremenpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:25 Lawfolk audience of living human beings as far as we know. Yes So go back and listen to the first part first if you haven't done that already. Yeah, actually don't mean you James I mean the listener should do that. Yes, you'll enjoy the treasure in the tower part two Two yes Treasure in the Tower. Part Duh. Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh, Duh Welcome back. Oh, we're ready. Wow. You didn't work together on that noise at all. No, but it was... That was a series of alarming sounds. So, back on with the pod.
Starting point is 00:02:12 James, do you have one more golden nugget of Tower folklore for me? Yes. Has anyone heard of the saluting of the keys that happens at the Tower of London. I've got the script here for what happens every night at seven minutes to ten. The chief yeoman warder accompanied by the watchman, a lantern carrier and an armed escort led by a sergeant visits each of the tower's gates to lock them for the night with the ceremonial keys and the practical fob probably. I'm imagining they're really big.
Starting point is 00:02:51 I'm imagining they're not a sort of a patting all your pockets kind of key size. I imagine they're the size of like your arm. Like the key fob. To the toilet that if you borrow it from like a... Or it's attached to like a file or a piece of wood so you can't drive off with it. Yeah, so you can accidentally take it away, yes. Yeah, it's like petrol station toilet keys. Yes, the Queen's keys.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Because this was, sorry, this is dated this book, it's from before last year. And after 1953? I don't know, who's keeping score. So each sentry they pass salutes the keys, the royal keys. And at the Wakefield Tower, the ritual challenge takes place where the sentry says, halt. The sergeant says, it's called to the keys. Halt. The sentry says, who comes there? Chief Yeoman, the keys.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Sentry, whose keys? Chief Yeoman, Queen Elizabeth's keys. Sentry, pass Queen Elizabeth's keys. All's well. Pretty hairy for a minute there. And then someone shouts, God preserve Queen Elizabeth, which- Yeah, ooh, controversial.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Nowadays... That didn't work. Nowadays that has a different tone to it, I feel. And then they play the... They generally... It says they play the last post on the bugle. Pass the Queen's keys, all's well. I like the way he speaks on behalf of the keys.
Starting point is 00:04:22 It's not, it's me, Steve. Yeah. We work together. Oh, he speaks on behalf of the keys. It's not, it's me, Steve. We work together and you know I have this job. What? Which Steve? The Queen's Keys Steve. Queen's Keys Steve. Maybe he's doing like a little public show like, oh, whose keys is it?
Starting point is 00:04:41 What's that, the Queen's Keys? Jingle jangle? All's well, All's well. God preserve the Queen. Chapter three. Chapter three. Pogson's Delve. Pogson?
Starting point is 00:04:53 Yeah, it's no end of the sandwich. As chapter titles go. Is Pogson the guy that... Did he invent Pogs? Or did his dad? He did not invent pogs. No, he's a very, very serious man with a very serious knitting needle. Just a bit of foreshadowing there.
Starting point is 00:05:15 So we're in the 20th century now, right up to the present day, the 20th century. It's 1957. Miniskirts might be about to be invented. Someone might be getting sick of how long skirts are. Any minute now. It's February the 19th and the WAPO or the Washington Post, as it was called in those days, has an article about hidden gold sought in Tower of London reporting, in fact, what happened the day before on February the 18th.
Starting point is 00:05:47 London. We've got someone in literally from Washington. From Washington. So no pressure. Okay, I'll just do a spot on Washington accent. I'm not sure. Spokane. London, London.
Starting point is 00:06:00 Can you just do your voice again, just so we can tune in? Just say, good afternoon. Washington is West Coast. Is the WaPo Washington DC? Yes. So you're not from the place where this paper's from? No.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Well then stop interrupting. Come on. Outrageous. We're not having Americans in again. This is the last time. Let them know. Let them know, please. On the way in in future shows, there'll be a photograph of Noel Edmonds.
Starting point is 00:06:41 And if you don't know who that is, you cannot come in. Then you're ejected by a blobby. London. Britons receive official permission today to dig for a treasure long rumoured to be hidden in the ancient Tower of London. London. They don't know how to say it.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Did Dan Aykroyd live in Washington? Where the British crown jewels are kept. They write to. where the British crown jewels are kept. You know you're right, too. It's sort of a North American accent. On the 6th of March, 1957, the US edition of Newsweek recapped Peep's treasure hunt and reported, with the same voice, Last week, nearly 300 years after Peeps' search, the British Ministry of Works resumed the quest to...
Starting point is 00:07:34 I can't, why am I doing it badly? I don't know why. To preserve its dignity, the ministry built the project as an archaeological dig to unearth an ancient Roman wall, but it conceded that a secondary purpose was to test certain theories about the existence of a treasure. The theories were those of a tenacious British author and cave explorer named Charles Quarrel. Using electronic instruments, Quarrel located one likely hiding place under the 17th century governor's residence, another
Starting point is 00:08:06 underneath the nearby bell tower. Further evidence came from Major C. A. Pogson, the inventor of the pog, a son of the inventor of the pog, heir to the pog fortune, who pinpointed the same two spots with the aid of a bent knitting needle. Not so curiously, these are the two sites which the Ministry of Works is now excavating. Okay, so we've got an archaeological dig or a pseudo archaeological dig carried out by a treasure hunter using electronic devices. I think what they're talking about is a metal detector. Which had been around for quite a while, but maybe the average person didn't know what a metal detector was. So they're like, he's using some kind of electronic device to find out
Starting point is 00:08:54 if metal is underneath the ground. And it's a metal detector. A bent knitting needle, of course, is dowsing. But this really happened. We've got pictures of men with pipes, a beef eater. And I think in the corner there, the guy who looks like he's sort of doing his cufflinks, I think that is dowsing happening there. I think that's Pogson and next to him his wife. And I'm no body language expert, but I don't think there's a lot of love there. I mean, there's another picture of them there. Again, Pogson and his wife, no eye contact whatsoever. And he's again twiddling a little piece of metal in his fingers.
Starting point is 00:09:33 So this really genuinely happened. 1957, this dig happened. Quarrel was the secretary of the British Cave Exploring Society and the author of the book Buried Treasure, 1955. And Rupert Fernot recaps this dig in The Great Treasure Hunts, which he wrote in 1969. Except in one apparently vital feature, the bell tower conformed to Peep's description, for its basement is vaulted and it is entered by a winding passage from the Lieutenant's house.
Starting point is 00:10:01 There could not have been a more private place for secreting treasure than this lower chamber in the bell tower, Quarrel observes. But it was not an underground cellar, to enter which peeps went down, we recall. Quarrel thought that this ground-level vault may have led once to a cellar contained within the base of the tower, which is of unparalleled thickness and the existence of which is suggested just above ground by two non-ventilated gratings. According to Quarrel's theories, Peepes descended from the vaulted basement into the cellar in search of the treasure. But that isn't what happened. The bell tower had been constructed up to the first floor level as a solid drum of masonry. It cannot, therefore, have contained the cellar into which Peeps descended.
Starting point is 00:10:48 So the dig was a bit of a bust. Nobody found any treasure. Furno essentially comes to the same conclusion as Peeps. Either the treasure is there somewhere or it isn't. Very clever. The two main options in this situation. I don't want to make out like Quarrel and Pogson are complete failures. Quarrel was a famous treasure hunter.
Starting point is 00:11:08 And Pogson is a leading figure in British dowsing. Quite aside from the Pog millions. In 1974, Jacinth Hope Simpson published a book called Who Knows? It's full title, Who Knows? 12 Unsolved Mysteries. And this is how she describes Pogson. One man who was prominent in the revival of dowsing was an army officer, Major C.A. Pogson. Between the wars, when the British ruled India, he was appointed water diviner to the government of Bombay, his task being to find water for famine relief. In a three-year period, wells were dug at 130 sites, which he indicated, and water was
Starting point is 00:11:51 found at all except two, at or before the depth he predicted. In several others, water was struck but not in sufficient quantities to be of much value. This gives 121 successful wells. That is about 93%. Now, I don't know a lot about finding wells, but apparently that's good. That's like magically brilliant at finding wells. And every account of this agrees
Starting point is 00:12:14 that he was brilliant at finding wells, but none of them give the same number of wells in any way. Every account of it is completely different except that he was brilliant at it. Dowsing the Psy Connection, 1978 by Francis Hitchens says, during the few years that he was in India, Pogson successfully found water at 465 sites, 199 of them suitable for drinking water, 266 for irrigation purposes. His success rate was calculated at 97 percent, which is better than 93. Wait a minute, how many do you?
Starting point is 00:12:45 Four, six, five sites. 465 sites. 199 of them. Suitable for drinking water. 266 of them. Irrigation. That's 100%. That's 100%.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Wow, he's even better. He's even better than we realized. I don't think I can't think if I've ever found a well that wasn't signposted by a stone wall and a bucket on it and it being in a video game. Until you're from Oxfordshire. With a little gnome sitting on it. The, okay, the quality of the books I'm quoting here might be taking a dip.
Starting point is 00:13:18 The Big Little Book of Magic by DJ Conway, not necessarily a DJ. He writes that an official report on the work of Progson states that he found water in 220 sites of the 577 sites he doused and never failed when he predicted water at a certain depth. So this guy was brilliant at dousing in a really vague way, Far be it for me to imply that reports from British India are not reliable when you ask majors about what happened there. The point is, magic is real. This guy was brilliant at finding water.
Starting point is 00:13:58 And he's still very respected. The Pogson Cup is the highest award offered by the British Society of Dowsers. I don't need to tell you that they are responsible for regulating professional and amateur dowsers in the United Kingdom. I don't know where they're based, but if you're good enough, you will be able to find them. How did it? Yeah, actually, I think I earned that. Thank you. A little drink of water there.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Do they give you the cup or do you have to say it's in this field? I don't know why, but I went straight to the code of ethics on their website. To me, it's like the controversies tab on a Wikipedia page. It's like, what happened that you needed to make up a rule about? And essentially, to summarise, the gist of the Code of Ethics is you must use your powers for good and do not disparage brother dowsers. And it feels like the rules are really directed at clearly one troublesome dowser like Alan the Dowser, who keeps bringing down the evil Dowsers. Keep finding naughty rivers.
Starting point is 00:15:09 You must not allow your views about anyone's lifestyle, culture, belief, race, colour, gender, sexuality, age, social status or perceived economic worth to prejudice your dowsing. Alan! It's like what? Working class. No water for you. The rods are pulling me away. You must not make anyone doubt another dowser's knowledge or skills by making unnecessary
Starting point is 00:15:50 and unsustainable comments about them. Alan. So Pogson may have failed on this occasion, but he did find treasure at least once. And I thought the least I can do when wrapping up the story is give an example of a Pogson success. A report from the China Mail in 1955 shows a photo of Pogson and his wife in Chislehurst caves. And you might be distracted by... ...a headline which slightly overshadows the story I want to talk about. James, would you like to read that headline?
Starting point is 00:16:27 Australians drink 24 gallons of beer per head each year. Yes, they do. And if you read the actual article, it says that Australian men, women, and children all drink 24 gallons, which I think is only about three pints a week. But it's a lot for a child. It's a lot for a newborn gallons, which I think is only about three pints a week, but it's a lot for a child. It's a lot for a newborn baby, which statistically is the claim being made.
Starting point is 00:16:50 To be fair, I would drink 48 gallons if I had two heads. But you might also note the much smaller headline, X Major has divine gift. Yeah, a bit of a bit of wordplay there on divine divining. And this is the story of his delve into Chislehurst Caves. Now, I think Chislehurst Caves is probably a whole story in its own right. I've been researching it. I visited it. So there's probably going to be another episode about Chislehurst Caves.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Suffice it to say, it's a Dean-hole cum chalk mine. Huh? Who's Dean-hole? I'm sure we've talked about Dean-holes before there. Like Dane-holes, holes cut by Vikings into chalk. You dig down, then you dig out, and you've created a little underground cave where, for instance, royalists might have been rumoured to hide out during the interregnum, as is the case in Chislehurst caves. Dean-hole. Now, look, Dean-hole's under me. been rumored to hide out during the interregnum, as is the case in Chislehurst Caves. Dean hole. Now, Dean holes are under me. He's going to kick me out of college.
Starting point is 00:17:53 So in the mid 20th century, in the 50s, in 55, in fact, it was Chislehurst Caves was owned by James Gardiner, a mushroom farmer, that's the mushroom farmer from the start and president of the Spelialogical Society, which I think is like chatting. He's got a spiel. He's got a spiel for things. I think it's caves, right? It's just like cavey holes. That sort of thing.
Starting point is 00:18:15 All right then. And he was convinced that the Chislehurst caves held many, many secrets. I'm going to read you the article from the China Mail, and that will be the end of Pogson's Delve. He is searching the Chislehurst Caves as the result of a challenge issued by buried treasure expert, Mr. James Gardner, who is certain that druidical objects are hidden somewhere within the 22 miles of cave networks. He buried a silver cup filled with half crowns in the cave and advertised that it would go to the finder. 300 applicants tried various methods of finding the cup, all unsuccessfully. Major Pogson found it within minutes. Wow. Impressive. Maybe dowsing his rule. Alan.
Starting point is 00:19:02 He's no good, that Pogson. He's got a proletarian aspect to his face. I'm dating for it. It's new Pog money. I mean, I like him. And that is the slightly anticlimactic story of John Barksdett's treasure in the Tower of London. Wonderful.
Starting point is 00:19:29 And so to the scores, James, are you ready to rate Barkshead's treasure? Yes. The treasure of the traitor, the Tower of London. The sandwich treasure. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:19:40 All right. My first category for you is names. Yes. Naming. Yes. Yes. You've got cool Barks names. Yes. Naming. Yes. Yes. Well, you've got cool. Barks did. Yeah. Which is like the Beano's way of noticing that John Barks said is there. Most of my thoughts are surrounded by pogs. Yeah. And some of the pog. You son of a pog. That's what you say if you still a pog. Son of a Pog. You son of a Pog.
Starting point is 00:20:02 That's what you say if you stub a Pog. Son of a Pog. Son of a Pog. And the fact that his full name was C.A. Pogson. Sounds like a dad trying to get you into a new hobby. You had a James Gardener. Yes. Who grew mushrooms.
Starting point is 00:20:23 Yeah, kind of gardening, but very dark gardening. Yeah. I should have said, he grows them in the caves, you understand, right? Because that's where you grow mushrooms. Yeah. In Chislehurst caves. He's brought his hobby and his job together. What's your job, caves?
Starting point is 00:20:36 Hobby? Caves. Podgson fell out with a Mr Quarrel? I don't know that they actually fell out, but that would be good. It would work. For wordplay purposes. Yeah. Don't forget, we've got other names, including Bum Bailiff, Minister of Mischief, and The Grand Pimp of Tyranny.
Starting point is 00:20:52 It's like WWE wrestler titles. I would like to see that 1600s WWE, yeah, with the Bum Bailiff and his side guy. Butterfurkins. Butterfurkins. Tagging Butterumbelef and his side guy. The Butterfuckins. Butterfuckins. Tagging Butterfuckins in. In he comes. Yeah. Mischief man, Randy Savage.
Starting point is 00:21:12 Oh, yeah. Did you say Randy Sandwich? I did say Randy Sandwich. Yeah. I was thinking about Sandwich. Yeah. Hooftstrad has a good name for a street. That's where all the horses live. The Dutch Horses.
Starting point is 00:21:26 Which are at an angle. It's a little cinematography joke. That'll really come across well in the recording. So many great names. So many. Oh yeah. Who knows is the title for a book. Who knows?
Starting point is 00:21:41 Who knows? Not enough books have question marks in the title. Mmm, Oklahoma. It's a five for Bumpy, Liff and the son of a Pog merchant. Normally we let the audience vote by took an executive decision on that one. I mean, we were all thinking it, right? Come on. Okay, and this is a little riskier, so I might need more support from the room. Supernatural.
Starting point is 00:22:07 Ah. Mm. What do you think support from the room means? What? What happens? It's like I took a heel turn in the 16th century WWF. It would have been in those days. It would have been.
Starting point is 00:22:22 Because they didn't have a WWF if you're allowed to put lions in the Blumenthaler London, would they? No, indeed. They had to put a polar bear in the Thames. My gosh. What was the question? Supernatural.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Supernatural. It was mostly the things you told, but they are valid for scoring purposes. Also, I think we did, me and one audience member did notice when they were, I think it was the 50s report on the treasure thing, he said it was a great room to secrete treasure. And that sounds supernatural if gold is like literally coming out of you. Well, Butterforkens has got to get it out in some way. Getting it in is going to be the easy part, I think.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Yeah, well what did I have? But still, dowsing is supernatural. And he really was a good dowser by all accounts. Getting it in is going to be the easy part, I think. Yeah, well, what did I have? But still, dowsing is supernatural. Dowsing. And he really was a good dowser by all accounts. Oh, you have read the ethics of the... Yeah, yeah. I will not disparage him.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Or use your dowsing powers for ill. We had the ghost of a pint of milk. Yes. And Amberlyn. Two sort of extremes of ghosts. Two equally famous historical figures. Amber Lynn and a cup. There's a ghost of a bear. There could have just been a picture of a bear.
Starting point is 00:23:33 So the listener, James, is pulling a face like a builder who's acting like he's going to give you a deal, but then he's not. What can you do for me? What's your best price for cash? Audience in the room, audience online, you'd start putting your numbers in now. Audience in the room, what are we thinking? Are we going to go?
Starting point is 00:23:53 Five's a bit much, isn't it? Three, three, three. Three, is it? Three, we're talking. You're shaking your head at three. They're all saying five on the internet. I'm five, five. That's a two, your saying five on the internet. I'm saying fives, fives. No, that's a two. Your eyes are upside down.
Starting point is 00:24:08 That's a V. They're doing Roman numerals. No, it's a lot of fives. You think you should be higher or lower? Higher or lower than three? Or three? Two! 2.5 What? What? I'm sorry, everyone. I'm sorry, everyone.
Starting point is 00:24:26 I'm sorry, everyone. Stop the podcast. We don't do.5s. We do it out of 10. We would do it out of 10, wouldn't we? Because that's 5s and.5s. This is worse than the one from Washington. This is awful.
Starting point is 00:24:42 I'm going to say 3 because I did a lot of the ghost stories. All right, yeah. It would be your own stories you'd be writing badly. All right, three. Respectable. Thank you. Nice little golf cap. Nice little golf clamp for three. My next category, prompted by...
Starting point is 00:24:58 What's your name? Are you happy for me to say that in the pod? Prompted by Rosie from The Room. Round of applause for Rosie. The next category is keep on Raven. Keep on Raven. Keep on Raven. Because of the Ravens in the tower they need to keep on, otherwise England could get quite bad. Yeah. And or keep on raisin, which is probably good because they've got vitamins, I imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And...
Starting point is 00:25:26 Are we sponsored by Raisin Box? The monthly raisin delivery service? Did you invent Raisin Box? Raisin slash Raven Box, yeah. You sign up. You don't know how many raisins they're gonna send you. Or Ravens. Probably gonna be one Raven at a time,
Starting point is 00:25:41 to be honest, this is gonna be silly. They fight. Honestly, once the box arrives, you can tell which it's going to be from the weight and sound of the box. Yeah, this box of raisins is very light and squarky because it's flying inside. No, no physics fans will back me up here. If a bird is inside a box and is flying, it weighs the same. What?
Starting point is 00:26:07 We haven't got time for this. We're an hour and a half in. This is the first factual thing that anyone has said on our podcast. I'm 100% right on that. Don't challenge me. Shoding us raven. But also the dream, the dream of the treasure, keeping that dream alive. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:26 You know? It's obviously not there. A lady who wasn't even married to him said that a vague amount of money was buried there. It was clearly not there, but they want to believe. Yeah, so they did keep on raving. So they keep on raving, and by raving I mean digging late at night. Pointing with knitting needles. Classic raving. You saw the pictures of Mrs Pogson. Absolutely off her nut. What are we thinking? What are we thinking then? We're thinking four?
Starting point is 00:26:56 Right, I'll take the four. Thank you. Final category. And I think this one's going to really blow some of you away as a thing that you didn't see coming in anyway at all. My final category is the real treasure was the friends we made along the way. Yes, yes it was. Yes, yes. Friends like Samuel Papipes and Charlie Poggs and Johnny Bach.
Starting point is 00:27:34 Mr. Gardener. Yeah, Jimmy Gardens. The Quarrel Guy. Yeah, Chuck Quarrel. Cool. I think we have made a lot of friends on the way, don't you? I think that has to be a strong five. Right?
Starting point is 00:27:50 I mean, come on. Actually, I'm not sure everyone agreed. No. I don't want to, I thought we had quite a friendly atmosphere going. But when Jane said it's five, right? About half of you went yes. Should we, should we pull the room for a four? Yeah, what are we thinking of?
Starting point is 00:28:06 Four? Does anyone think it's a four? 4.7. Get out. Friendship ended with you. If we were going to do that, we'd do it out of 500. No, I was just clearly being insecure there. It's obviously a five. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:27 Yes. That's the reaction I wanted. Well, thank you very much, everybody. Thank you so much for coming out. Give yourselves a round of applause for being fantastic law folk. Thank you very much to the Bill Murray for having us. Thank you, the Bill. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Alistair, Murray for having us. Thank you, the Bill. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Stephen.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Thank you, Alistair, for telling us a wonderful story. Thank you, James, for adding some ghosts. And a box of Ravens. And a big box of Ravens. Use the discount code RAVEN10 on your next order and we will receive what may or may not be a raisin. Well, clearly we've run out of coherent things to say. On your next order and we will receive what may or may not be a raisin Clearly we run out of coherent things to say
Starting point is 00:29:12 I've been asked to beckon King. He has been... James Shake Shaft Imagine if we burst into a cloud of Ravens right there Oh, wow! And if you feel like you're missing out on some of that live experience, you can see the whole thing on YouTube.com. Don't forget the dot com. Do not. And if you want to experience a similar feeling, why not? Why not come and see us do another live show?
Starting point is 00:29:43 On the 11th of October 2024 2024 And he's gonna be in a cemetery West Norwood cemetery And if you want more stuff, join us at patreon.com forward slash lawmen pod Don't forget the dog and thank you very much to all the people that do already support us there and thank you much for you for listening and Maybe giving us a rating and a review on the internet. Is that a five star review?
Starting point is 00:30:07 Yeah, it better be. I think I heard the sound of a five star review. And so to the scores. Yes. So we would like a category. I think we're probably going to take it from in the room rather than scores. Yes. So we would like a category. I think we're probably going to take it from in the room rather than online. Sorry. Please do suggest hilarious ideas, but we won't read them. If you have an idea.
Starting point is 00:30:33 I will, but I won't say that you thought of it. Would anyone like to win? Would anyone like to win this ugly, ugly book? OK, several people would. Well, do you have ideas for categories then that we could use? He's back in Pogform. That's a Simpsons reference. We're millennials, so that's good.
Starting point is 00:30:56 He's back in Pogform. He's back in Pogform. Keep on Raven. Keep on Raven, that's really good. I saw some hands in the back. Can you beat Keep on Ravenaving. That's really good. I saw some hands in the back. Can you keep on raving? Sequels. Sequels.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Sequels. Because of, yes. It could be SQLs colon keep on raving. Yes. And then you could fight over the book. Divine Comedy. Good wordplay on divine there. Actual member of the eccentric club.
Starting point is 00:31:21 Are you actually a member of? Oh. Was there one over there? Did I see an art note? So people are trying not to get the book over there, really vigorously trying not to get it there. Okay. I mean, my favorite of those is, I mean, I've forgotten it.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Raven. Keep on Raven. Keep on Raven. My favorite. I do like Keep on Raven. Do we like Keep on Raven. Keep on Raven. My favourite. I do like Keep on Raven. Do we like Keep on Raven, Rue? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:48 Yeah. Okay. Then in that case, and if anybody else wants to look at it, she has it. So I'm sorry everyone else. It's really ugly. It's the worst book. And it's also cursed. So.
Starting point is 00:32:04 I should have mentioned that up front. It's the worst part. And it's also cursed. So I should have mentioned that upfront. It's fine. I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm sure it'll be fine for up to seven days. It's fine. You do need to get rid of it though. After that time at a live show. Can't just leave it in a library. It's got to be like willingly taken by the person. Yeah. Oops. You can't just leave it in the library. It's gotta be like willingly taken by the person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Otherwise you will find out where that well is. Yeah.

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