Mark Bell's Power Project - Are the Greatest Athletes All Psychopaths? || MBPP Ep. 785

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

In this Podcast Episode, Mark Bell, Nsima Inyang, and Andrew Zaragoza talk about how not all great athletes came from a difficult background nor are they all suffer from mental issues the way most want to believe. There are many examples of champions that didn't come from a rough background and seem to have their stuff together. Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢https://boncharge.com/pages/POWERPROJECT Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off!! ➢https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!! ➢Enlarging Pumps (This really does work): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 ➢https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject Code POWERPROJECT20 for 20% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off site wide including Within You supplements! ➢https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://eatlegendary.com Use Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order! ➢https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz

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Pull up that buff woman again, please. Who is this buff woman? I don't know. The CrossFit Games are going on, and there's some wild shit going on. There's some really, really strong, amazing athletes that are busting their ass. And I saw this girl on Rogue's Instagram page. She picked up a 250-pound, I think it was 250-pound sandbag. She shouldered that shit, and she just looked amazing.

I was like, that is just so dope. Danny Spiegel? Look her up. Danny Spiegel, you say? Look at this effort. Fucking sick. The strength to just hinge that like that. The strength, and then on top of it, it's really good form.

And then she does it with a big old smile on her face, and then she's fired up. And look at the physique. She great got some good abs thighs are looking thick strong as shit it's fucking amazing i don't know if people understand how hard how difficult that shit is you know a 250 pound bag is very, very awkward to try to lift. And I think I saw some of the guys, they were lifting some of the sandbags. They were, you know, 300. And I think the guy that won it last year, Justin, I think he did. I saw him do like a 330 or something like that.

It's impressive. You know, you got to keep in mind these athletes, they don't weigh nearly as much as the strongman guys do. So strongman people are lifting up all kinds of crazy shit, but they also a lot of times weigh 300 or 400 pounds. Is that sandbag thing new? I've never seen that in any old CrossFit game stuff. It's a little newer. Yeah, I haven't seen it before. But it's kind of nice that they're mixing stuff like that in.

The deadlift has been in a lot of CrossFit competitions before. There's obviously been a lot of like hip hinging type things. But that just brings a whole other, you know, on a deadlift, you have potential to hurt your bicep and to do this and do that. lift you have potential to hurt your bicep and to do this and do that but with that sandbag lift right there i mean that is if you don't do that the correct way yeah you're gonna get banged up pretty bad yeah and that's like a um like a crossfit competition whatever that like you can't really clown on um not saying that you can clown on any of it because all of it's really fucking hard but like i forgot which guests we had on recently. They were talking about like throwing a softball as far as you can at one of the events. And it's like, well, how is that?

But I mean, it is. But it's like when you think of strength sports, you don't necessarily think of that. And then I was looking up some other events that they had. And it was like they were on a GHR doing sit-ups but throwing a ball as far as they could. And they had to go chase the ball. I didn't pay attention to exactly what was going on but with that i think we all can understand how difficult that that actually can be to pick up just like a bag of dead weight dude it's uncomfortable andrew look at a pull-up men's sandbag ladder 2022 you'll see it it's like an hour it's a long ass video and at the time stamp one minute or one hour

six minutes i think that's justin madero's doing a 350 sandbag man sandbag ladder what was the time stamp 105 55 oh one hour one hour five minutes 55 seconds or just one hour five minutes 50 seconds guy's a monster. Yeah. And he also sleeps on an eight-sleep mattress. Getting that recovery. Yeah, buddy. Yeah, he, you know, again, these guys are like 200 pounds.

Look at the mullet. Oh, the mullet. He's going into it with some class. You know, keep in mind that, too, this is a in crossfit competition this is after they've done a bunch of other shit uh on top of that um this is a sandbag ladder so this is just one of the lifts he did a bunch of lifts previously to get to this one was this one of the events where like only a couple people were able to actually do the lift? Or did a bunch of other people do it in like a slower time or something like that?

Knocked out a few people like just couldn't, like, you know, I think you keep going. Yeah, it's a ladder. And so it gets to certain weights that, yeah, people start to fall off. But it's really fun to watch this kind of stuff because sometimes when you're watching, say like powerlifting, you watch powerlifting and you'll see three guys go up to a deadlift bar and one guy selects 633 pounds, the next guy selects 666, and the next guy selects 733 or whatever. They're not lifting the

same weight, so you don't see the direct competition. But when you set things up like a ladder, which they did for the men and the women at the CrossFit Games this year, you lift the same weight. I think sometimes in strongman, you can start at different weights. Like if I'm stronger, I could choose to wait until you start picking up something heavier. But for the most part, you got to lift the same weight. So if all three of us are going, it's like we all have to lift the 200 pound bag then the 220 and and you start to see like oh shit i wasn't expecting i didn't think that guy was going to fall off he wasn't able to do it oh shit the other guy's still going like this is amazing and you get to really watch it and you become it's uh i think it's helpful in terms of like being a fan of a sport i actually wish that powerlifting would do they

call it like a round robin i wish powerlifting would do something similar but sometimes powerlifting for each lift sometimes there's somebody that's that much further ahead yeah of uh of everybody else that it makes that same setup kind of difficult yeah it's pretty interesting like watching like uh strongman stuff not interesting but it just like whatever the event is, you just assume like, oh, this is what they do. But every once in a while, there's an event that's stacked up against everybody. And then it's like, oh, shit, nobody even completed a full rep or whatever it is. So it's like, well, how close did everybody get? Then you start breaking it down by that.

And it's like, fuck, dude, some of these things are set up so difficult for these people. And it's like we don't even think about it that much. Yeah, you get a kind of last man standing situation, which I think is, again, makes it easy to get behind, makes it easy to root for. I saw a post by Cameron Haynes, and I was able to listen to the podcast with Chris Williamson on Joe Rogan. to listen to the podcast with Chris Williamson on Joe Rogan. And I left a comment on Cameron Haynes' Instagram, and then it kind of sparked up and got some decent traction.

I didn't say anything. I don't think I said anything inflammatory. I was just basically saying that I didn't really agree with the vantage point that there's a bunch of stuff that I don't agree with when it comes to the making of a quote-unquote successful person or quote-unquote great person athlete people that we put up on a pedestal in our society I don't think there has to be suffering that goes on with the person. Some people may disagree. They might think that that's like a part of the ingredients for it.

However, it has happened. It happened many, many times. There's thousands of athletes that have that as the case, Mike Tyson being one of them. And then there's just a laundry list of athletes that have made it and that are great. There's somebody like Elon Musk, who's a billionaire many times over, who was abused as a child. There's many, many of these cases, but it's not always the case. It's also not always the case that somebody gets pushed so hard into something that that's all they do. That's their life. And in this case, they talked about Tiger Woods and they talked about how he grew up.

And I was just kind of thinking to myself, that's Tiger Woods' story. But it doesn't mean that you have to be like that in order to be great at a sport. I'm sure there's other golfers that have done well and people might consider him the goat, but there's a few other people in the picture and even Tiger himself would agree that there's other athletes that have won more titles and stuff. He had a specific goal to do a certain thing and he didn't achieve it and he's still in the hunt, I guess, trying to pursue some of that. um but anyway your life doesn't have to fall apart and be in shambles in order to um in order to be great like you don't have to have those two opposites uh at play all the time at

least i don't think so so that's kind of what i wanted to talk about openly and uh maybe we can play the clip in a moment. You want to play the clip right now? Sure. Get into it. Having a golf club in your hand at two years old, having a father who's maniacal and obsessed and forcing you to do this and then getting all that time in as your body is learning and developing so the thing about tiger that was interesting with his father is they would he would push him incredibly hard say these white people are never going to accept you on this course and

he had a safe word the same way that you would do during rough sex it was called the e-word and his dad would say to him if it's getting too much if it's ever too much just tell me just say the e-word and everything will stop and tiger never once said it wow the e-word was enough wow so he would fuck with him so the tiger would get better and he told him look i love you but i'm doing this to make you better yeah and then too much roll the clock forward now so talking about the price that people pay to be the person that you admire everyone would look at tiger woods narrowly bound like i want to be as good of a golfer as tiger woods and you go yeah okay but do you want the childhood do you want to spend

nearly half a decade out of the sport with injury because of how hard you've pushed yourself? Do you want to struggle with self-worth to the point where you basically can't have a long-term marriage? Don't be chased down the driveway with your wife in a golf club. He fell asleep at the wheel. He broke both of his legs not long ago. He's been on antipsychotics. Like that is the price that you pay to have that degree of greatness. It's a onesie, right? It's not an outfit that you can pick little different bits about. You don't get to choose one element of someone and say i want that it's like no no no all of these externalities all of the things that you really don't want they came along for the ride as well and that's why jealousy overall like do you want to take the whole outfit because you

can't just have the one thing jealousy is kind of dumb well i definitely disagree with that part where he was saying like it's a onesie it's's like just because I want to have the drive and the determination of somebody like Tiger Woods doesn't automatically mean that I'm also going to be addicted to sex to where it's going to ruin my marriage and shit. Like that part, I didn't even pay attention to that the first time you sent the video over. I just don't know why I just caught that now. But I definitely disagree with that. There's some other things that came along after, I think. I think some of those things developed. I mean, I don't really know for sure, but I think they developed later on.

Tiger Woods' greatness and how awesome he did at golf was something that people got attached to long ago and seemed like a great success story. But then he ran into some issues, some personal issues, which I think are almost still aside from the fact that, like, my main focus on this in particular is not so much of what happened to Tiger Woods later on. Got it. Even though that is part of the story, my main focus is that – is on like the way he was treated as a kid and the way he was trained when he was young and the way that it seems like – it seems like at some point it led to some negative outcomes later on in his life, right?

Like it seemed like it worked for a while. It seemed like he accomplished a lot of things he wanted to accomplish. And again, my main thing on this is just that's Tiger Woods' story. I don't think this has to be the case with a lot of other people. And I think sometimes when people see stuff like this, I think they think like, oh, that's like, I don't have a story like that i don't have like a you know a big comeback story or i don't have uh that much turmoil i didn't have a dad that like you know pushed me and drove me so hard um or like i don't want to have to make that type of

sacrifice to be that person like why would i do that that makes no sense of course i'm not going to do that right exactly it's it interesting, though, because I think like some of that stuff does make for a more compelling story. Like when you hear about all the things that somebody has gone through to get from point A to point B. And when you see somebody and it doesn't seem like there was a lot of potential turmoil or trouble, it doesn't seem as potentially engaging because like people that come to mind are Steph Curry, who's done some insane things in the NBA at this point. LeBron James, we mentioned Tom Brady, Shaq, you know what I mean? Like a lot of these individuals are great in their own right, but they're not people

that we would think or assume have psychopathic behavior. Because at the beginning of this clip, Joe was referencing Michael Jordan and was saying, he probably kind of has a mental illness maybe. Because Mike even talked about in his documentary how he's kind of crazy.

He couldn't go without winning. He would make up narratives to drive his competitive edge so that he'd be like, I'm going to kill you because this is what you did. And his opponent's like, I never did that. There's only a one of one as far as Jordan, but there are many greats who seem to have, like, yeah, you make certain sacrifices in certain areas because you do have your focus and you're just sporting as an athlete, but they have great family lives. They're doing great by the community. They seem to be pretty level headed. They're not getting into any crazy scandals.

You can, I mean, not everybody can become a great at a sport, but if that's your goal and you're truly heading towards it, you don't have to have crazy ups and downs or just crazy turmoil to get there. I think for some people it is beneficial. I think for some people that is their story. Yeah. Mike Tyson being one of them. I think Shaquille O'Neal, his dad wasn't around I think when he was young. And Shaq's one of his things was like, you're going to know my name.

You're going to know who I am. Like you were never around, you know? And then his dad did come around later on and it took a while for them to reconcile, I guess. But, um, and there's a lot of circumstances like that. Like I, I remember when I was coaching football, uh, we had these kind of helicopter parents and they're like, you know, what do I got to do to get my son, like, to the next level? And I was already thinking, like, well, it's already too late.

Like, your kid's pretty uncoordinated. They don't move very well when they're 15, like you would already know. Like, if they're on track to do something, you would already know. But sometimes, in some cases, some of the best athletes that we've seen, they get neglected. A parent leaves or something like that happens. And the kid interprets that as maybe they don't want to be a burden to their mother. Maybe they want to be a burden to their father. And so therefore, that happened with my wife. Her dad died when she was 10. And my wife was like, I'm never going to get in the way of mom.

I'm going to help her out as much as I possibly can. I'm, you know, she's super determined in swimming. And so she became a division one athlete and got a scholarship and did all that stuff. Now, does she need that to happen? Maybe for her, she did. Maybe, maybe for some particular reason, that was her path. Does somebody else need that to get a division one scholarship they need their dad to die that they need to maybe my wife made a lot of sacrifices to be a swimmer

she's talked about them before but my wife also drank her way through college as well and had a lot of fun it seems like i don't want to get into it too much kind of a rough topic but anyway a lot of fun it seems like i don't want to get into it too much it's kind of a rough topic but anyway but anyway i think she she lived a balanced life through her college years and and she was a division one swimmer and she became captain of the swim team like she had these responsibilities and she was able to handle it so not everybody has to sacrifice everything. Even just for myself, like I'm obviously I'm not like a Tiger Woods. I'm not, I don't even think I was ever great at anything. I did the best I could with lifting and some cool things happened for me. But

when it came to lifting, you know, I had my kids, I had, I had my family, my kids were really young my kids. I had, uh, I had my family. My, my kids were really young as I was building the business as I was, uh, doing some of the lifts that I was doing and all hell didn't break loose for me. I mean, it felt kind of crazy here and there. Um, but I, I, I felt good about everything. I didn't feel there was stresses. There was things that I had to be home at certain times. I had certain obligations just like anybody else that has children. I was around when my kids were really little. I remember what it's like to miss some sleep and stuff like that. But even stuff like that, I think people are a bunch of pussies. When it comes to having a child, which is one of the coolest things that could ever happen,

it's ruined by the person being like, I ain't getting much sleep. And it's like, Jesus Christ, well, of course your sleep is going to be a little compromised when you have a kid. So there's going to be compromises. There's little tit for tat on everything that happens in your life. But just because one thing slants one way and then has to slant the other, it doesn't always mean that that has to be somebody else's story, somebody else's way. You don't have to be like Gary Vee to be an entrepreneur. You don't have to be from an immigrant father that you saw working his ass off, that you saw good leadership from him. It doesn't have to be that way. That can be part of your story, but it doesn't have to be that way.

So there's many different people that achieve greatness who don't have these deep-rooted scars. And I hear it perpetuated a lot, and it's kind of frustrating to me because I'm like, I know a lot of people that are doing really, really well that don't have those scars like that. They might have some scars because they may have kept track of stuff. That's different. That's like the Jordan type stuff. That's like writing or taking a newspaper clipping and putting it in the locker room. Putting a chip on your own shoulder. Yeah, yeah.

Getting everyone all fired up. Like that's different. That's very common amongst people that are great. But it still doesn't mean that a huge tragedy happened and it still doesn't mean that you were driven to the brink of madness by your dad. but it still doesn't mean that a huge tragedy happened and it still doesn't mean that you were driven to the brink of madness by your dad if there's any thing that we need to pay attention to as far as the common through line in terms of people that are great it's not necessarily like the traumatic experiences it's like the time that they've spent on their craft you know when you

watch some people aren't big fans of Dave Chappelle, but I fucking love Dave Chappelle. He's my favorite comic man. But when you hear about how he went to a theater school. I forgot the name of it. Well, anyway, he went to a theater school when he was younger, but he was in comedy clubs at the age of 15. His mom would take him to go do stand-up with adults at like 15 years old, 14, 15 years old. And he was killing. Like he was killing crowds at that age.

So he was getting adult experiences as a kid. And he's been at that craft forever. So when people see him and people see like the success of the Addis Chappelle show and then he leaves and he goes to fucking Africa and comes back and does so well and just kills. It's like this man has been at this since he was a teenager. That's why he's the GOAT. Reminds me of Kobe. Kobe was playing with the 76ers when he was like 15. I mean picture that.

You're 15 years old and you're playing with like pro players all the time. Fucking nuts. Exactly. The biggest thing is the time yeah fucking nuts exactly like it's it's it's a the biggest thing is a time thing so if there's anything you're trying to do we're not saying that you're you need to try to be the goat but if there's anything that you really want to be good at don't think that you need some type of big trauma or or it had like you have to give yourself a lot of fucking time spending at it and it might cause you to sacrifice other things like partying or

or doing things that all your other friends do drinking being up late whatever that might have to be your sacrifice but it doesn't it's not like your daddy doesn't have to beat you for you you know for for you to be good or great and i'm not trying to make light of abuse but at the end of the day it's like that is somebody else's story but it's not everybody's and it's it's i know what you mean by seeing it perpetuated it took me a long fucking time to like grow up you know it took me a long time and the reason why it took me a long time is because i had a kind of soft-ass life i did like my parents were fucking awesome they were both there they both gave me hugs and kisses and kissed my boo-boos. But they were also there to discipline me and to give me good examples of people and to also show me like the value of hard work and that life doesn't need to be chaotic.

Life doesn't need to be angry. Like most of the stuff that I went through as a kid, most of it was pretty damn happy. It was pretty damn like my mom would even like say stuff like that. Like she would, you know, if I got frustrated or upset or something, she would just be like, oh, you know, it doesn't have to be that way. You could choose to be like happier. And I'm like, but I'm pissed. And so it's just like I've seen those positive examples around me uh for most of my life and there's things that have happened within my family just like that happens in everybody's family where there's you can look back and say

yeah like that fucking sucked to go through that um every I think every person experiences their own things like that but I don't think it's like, that's the secret ingredient to like becoming great to having like these horrible things happen to you. Or again, you know, starting at such a young age, because somebody might be watching and they're like, well, I didn't start a YouTube channel when I was seven. And now I'm 33 or whatever. I don't fuck I'm doing myself. That's somebody else's story. That's like Jake Paul's story. Power Project family, how's it going? I want to talk to you guys about Within

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like um like new new parents blaming their kid for like not getting enough sleep and which i mean yeah you definitely sleep a lot less but it just reminded me because uh school is um starting up again and so like i keep seeing it happens every year where parents post up memes celebrating that their kids are going back to school because they're just like this show picture the kids all sad and the parents like celebrating with like you know like plane tickets wine and shit yeah and i'm the opposite i'm like i fucking hate when school's back in back in session but i was gonna ask you guys do you think it is a good idea to kind of do them like the michael jordan route which is like kind of put your own chip on your own shoulder and kind of like make make up the

own your own story and like have like the uh have the hero comeback story that, oh, my coach, he didn't like me in schools. That's why I didn't go to the pros and blah, blah, blah. So you build up all this shit that's kind of made up. But do you think that that's a bad idea to do? I don't think it hurts anything to do stuff like that. But sometimes I think that's only going to last for so long. I think a better approach, honestly, is just to be like,

I just need to be better. You go to jujitsu or you go for a run or you do certain things and it's like, well, I could get like mad about it or I could say, oh, man, I can't believe that guy said that I'll never be a good runner. And you go out and you run every fucking day because of that. It's like, do you want to give that guy that power? That he is your mentor?

Because I think that pain is your mentor. And so you're going to let what somebody else said dictate what you're doing every day? I mean, you could hurt yourself that way too. Sometimes there's success stories. That guy said this to me and then I did that. that way too. You know, sometimes there's success, success stories. That guy said this to me and then I did that. Um, but there's a lot of stories that people hide. They don't share with you where, you know, somebody called them a fat motherfucker and they stayed fat or whatever. There's always, uh, some stories like that. But I think again, you know, just concentrating on

just getting better. Like it's, it's a, like like how do you get better at this? And if you are to think about how you can get better at something, most people can come up with two or three answers right away. Even if they've been doing something for a long time. If I asked you right now,

how can you get better at jujitsu? You can be like, well, I could do this. I could do this. I could do this. Like you already know. And so I don't think that you have to – I don't think you have to be all angry and shitty about it. But you can sometimes take something that someone said or you can have a chip on your shoulder.

And you could say something like, you know, and Seema being a bigger guy in jiu-jitsu, he could say to himself, you know, I'm going to show these motherfuckers I can move faster than the guy that's 180. And I'm going to, I'm going to fucking blow their mind with that. That's still, that's still like, to me, that's more like on the positive side than it is on the negative, but it is a little chip on the shoulder, right? Cause you're like, they're not going to expect this shit from me. Yeah. I don't know, man. I, you know, I, it's easy for me to say I don't like negative fuel personally. It's never been, uh, it's never helped me being fueled by anger at what somebody said or anger about what somebody or people think. Um, because it's, I don't know it for me, the fuel for training and jujitsu and trying to become better and the goals I have within that sport come because number one, I really like the sport. I really like it. And I'm just obsessed with

trying to become as good as I possibly can. And that's a personal goal and that won't go away, which means it's unlimited fuel. But if my fuel was like, I remember when he said I would never be good at jujitsu and I should stick with bodybuilding. I'll show him. At a certain point, that fuel is just going to run out. That's just my opinion though. Since I've never been good at being fueled by anger, I can't speak to that because there are some people that have the perpetual chip on their shoulder of what everybody thinks about them and that's their thing. And if that's their thing and it's working for them, mean who am i to say you shouldn't do that but i mean you know like yeah not letting it consume

you for sure because i legit still use some fuel from high school like my i don't even know what her name was and i don't know what subject she taught but she used me as an example as somebody who's not going anywhere in life like she just straight up like hey everybody if you want to see a loser right there pointing right at me i'm like holy fuck like this is wild and in that moment like i was like literally almost in tears i was like the fucking bad kid in school but then like since then it was like fuck she was right and then now fuck her i'm gonna prove her wrong And then now fuck her. I'm going to prove her wrong. And then now it's like, I'm still proving you wrong. You know, like, so it can be.

But if I was sitting here, like remembering her name and remembering like the subject and everything, you know, and then like had that shit printed on my wall somewhere, like I think then it would be consuming me and it'd be too much. You know, there's a time. I also, I would also question like if it really is a big driver of yours. I also question if it really is a big driver of yours because in knowing you, it seems like the driver for you now is concentrating on what you're doing. And you have a real interest in this. You seem to love this.

You want to get better at this. You want to get better at being a dad. And it seems almost like that did happen, but it's like that's more like – It's in the rear view. Yeah, it's in the background. And you kind of know better than to like give that too much power right like it just seems like that's the way it is for you nowadays yeah no and because like i'm even bringing it up like i am kind of reaching because like i haven't thought about it in a while but it did drive me for a long time where it was like fuck was she right and then it's like no i'm gonna prove her wrong and then it's like i'm proving her wrong currently you know like still and so that's that's why i brought that up or the

whole question was just because like i kind of did use it but i i guess i don't use it anymore and i was wondering like oh like maybe if i tap into it again but i remember we've had this conversation before and seem a word like you're talking about like not allowing the negativity stuff to like feel your workouts even and it's yeah, it's not good to kind of reach onto that dark side. It's way better to be a, what's it called? Like anchored to something more positive, which is what I'm, what I'm doing, what I do now. When I played soccer when I was younger, there was,

I had a conversation with my mom once. Cause my dad left like a few weeks after I was born. And I had a conversation with her when I was a teenager. Cause I was saying like, yeah, I want to show him that I'm going to be able to be great without him, blah, blah, blah. And she's like, why? I was like, well, you know, you raised me

and you put all this work into it. I don't want to show that I did this without his help. But she was like, well, you should still love him. He's your dad. And it doesn't make any sense for you to like, how long are you going to do that? How long is that going to last? And when I thought about that for a while, I was just like, yeah, what the fuck? Like, why am I fueling? Like, I'm going to show you daddy. Like, and then from there I was like, yeah, you know, like it's not that big of a deal.

It's not something that, that doesn't help me. It doesn't make me feel good. So I just stopped thinking about that as a reason I wanted to do well at whatever it was that I was doing. And I never used that as fuel again. And I've been good for it ever since. But you know, for some people, that is the thing, you know, for some people it's like the parent that wasn't there or the love that they lost. I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. For me personally, like I've just learned that, I don't know, for me, negative fuel isn't fuel. It doesn't last very long. You know, it's not internal. You know, if I don't have a love for something, like I really like jujitsu and I really like the physical aspects of it, that is perpetually

always there. It's not going away and it's going to keep me moving in the direction I'm trying to go. Yeah, and I think what fueled Tiger Woods for so long, too, was an interest in golf. I think him and his dad, I think they were both on a mission. How lost did he get in that mission, or how lost did his dad get in trying to steer him that way? At least from some of the videos and some stuff I've seen, it seems like they got lost in it a little bit together. But also we do have to say we've never seen anybody quite like Tiger Woods, one of the greatest athletes of all time, period, regardless of sport.

He came in at a young age. He was just completely ridiculously amazing at such a young age, like a child prodigy type thing. And so what's it like to be him? What's it like to be that way? I don't know. But is it possible for somebody to play to a similar level at a young age and to do well without it being a giant negative. I think we've seen other athletes do it before.

So I would, again, just say I don't think things have to be that way. The Mannings come to mind. I don't really know their story a ton, but it appears that even though their dad played professional football I don't know how like you know forced they were but Eli and Peyton they seem they seem like things were relatively positive their dad played pro ball they were like that seems cool and the three sons they all wanted to play pro I think the oldest one had like a health issue so and he was supposedly ridiculously amazing as well the genetics were there the kids decided to push it as far as they could uh peyton went to tennessee eli went to old miss where his dad went and uh they followed in their

dad's footsteps and they made it to the pros and they both ended up uh technically being better than him even though he was like anyone that followed his career. He was ridiculously amazing, one of the actually greatest college quarterbacks of all time. He was just an incredible athlete because he could run and all kinds of stuff like that too. So it doesn't – everyone's story is going to be a little different. You don't necessarily need to have a dad that has that pedigree either. You don't need a dad that was a pro at something uh in order to be great at it i do think that if you are going to like use a chip on your shoulder from something

somebody else says or does that one of the reasons why that could uh potentially not be a great idea is because you might end up doing something that you really don't love you know like i'm going to be a better drummer than my dad or whatever and then it's like well if that's not your real interest that's probably not a great that's probably just going to be self-destructive at some point so we talk about it a lot on the show i think your interest level is like the the key that one of the you know definitely key ingredients to being great at something but also just a desire to get better. And just, you know, it sounds boring when you kind of put math to it and just say,

I need to do this a lot. I need to do this often. And yeah, I might need to sacrifice some other stuff. But you're living your life. I mean, you have a girlfriend and you got your three dogs at home. You have a kid, like we are all living our lives. And I think that's what makes us feel so good

about getting on the show and having a voice and having the show grow and having people have an opportunity to hear what we're saying is because I don't feel like any one of us feels like we're trapped in this box of like, I'm really locked in. I'm a jujitsu guy and I'm gonna win worlds. And I'm gonna, it's like, no, I'm still doing a like, I'm really locked in. I'm a jujitsu guy and I'm going to win worlds. And I'm going to, it's like, no, I'm still doing a podcast.

I'm still here lifting. I'm still here fucking jumping rope. I'm still here doing pushups or whatever the fuck it is that we're doing. We're still all have our own separate shit going on outside of just doing this, even though this is something that we're really interested in. And we want to push this, uh, as far as, and as hard as we can. Yeah.

Yeah. I wonder, um, because with like, um, what was the, was the, was the book outliers?

I'm not sure. Malcolm Gladwell. I, Chuck, I'm not going to, it'll probably, well, they were talking about Tiger Woods and Roger Federer range range.

So I wonder if these, uh, tormented souls and like the, like the tiger, oh oh my camera's fucking up so i'm gonna change the camera um if it happens more in athletes that were specialized you know because like you hear about roger frederick not specializing and being the best ever but then you hear about andre agassi who fucking hated tennis it was also one of the best ever but i think he was specializing because he wasn't allowed to do anything else other than play tennis so he has that story where like oh my dad forced me to

do and i fucking hated it and what happened though he ended up being one of the best but he hated it yeah he did not like playing tennis that's interesting that's very interesting so same sport yeah but two different paths and both ended up being really good. I think Joe Rogan himself is a great example of some of what we're talking about. Obviously, he made sacrifices along the way. Absolutely. Big-time sacrifices to get into entertainment and to land some of the shows that he did and then to go to Fear Factor and then to kind of springboard that into being a UFC commentary, and now he's a podcaster.

But he has the biggest podcast that there is, and he didn't stop everything else that he did to be the best podcast. He didn't white-knuckle the podcast. He just is like, I like having conversations with people. I think I'm going to record it, and I think while I'm going to record it, I think I'm going to get high with some of my friends and just talk some trash. It's almost like a locker room talk in a way. It's cleaner than that, but it's a little bit that way, right?

He probably got a window into that or an idea into that via being backstage at some of these comedy shows, talking to his friends. He's probably like, I bet people would think this is really fucking intriguing. Me and Joey Diaz talking about fucking aliens. Like, I think this would be dope. Fucking aliens. He's always talking about aliens, right? Not having intercourse with aliens, but...

Yeah, fucking aliens. No, the aliens usually do the probing, I think. What's wrong with that? No, nothing, but they usually do the probing i think what's wrong with that no nothing but they usually do the fucking yeah it's like dude so they're usually fucking us i went down this fucking youtube algorithm rabbit hole where like i i clicked on a on a rogan clip uh jre clips video about aliens and now my whole feed is nothing but rogan clips on aliens which motivates the fuck out of me because like sometimes i'm like man do we need to talk about something other than diet today

he has thousands of videos and clips on aliens so i'm like all right you guys are gonna get a lot more of the same shit but what he was talking about he's like do aliens actually probe us or did somebody just want us to like assume the worst when it comes to getting abducted because you have to assume that their their intelligence is what are they probing like their intelligence is way further like are they do they really need to stick something up our ass to learn more about us he's like because if you think about it like here you know on earth if we want to learn so we have like x-rays we have like a lot of other options other than just probing shit like i guess an endoscopy it's

important to do it but he was like yeah no i think somebody just made up that story just to scare the shit out of people it shouldn't though it was on south park you should just go for it just just relax relax you know exactly i don't i don't you know i i think that's perfect south park yeah it's on South Park. Getting the anal probe. I do think it makes sense. I agree with what you're saying, Nsema. So next time I'm abducted, just be like, I know what you guys are here for, you sick fucks.

Yeah, I shave for you. Yeah, you guys are sick bastards. I knew you were going to come on this day, and it's freshly waxed thank you very much already lube i've trained myself for this you guys remember the south park episode where they were like vaseline south park episode where they're like hailing the clitoris i don't remember that i'm gonna have to find a clip now it's educational it does It sounds educational. It does. It's so silly. It's the way they said it. They tore us. Yeah. Anyway. But, you know, the whole, like, you know, when I was younger, my mom would always, for example, she'd always encourage me.

She'd be like, look at Bill Clinton. He didn't have a mom. I mean, he didn't have a dad. And, you know, the thing is there's so many stories with so many people from different backgrounds that overcome it. The comeback story is great. Yeah. so many people from different backgrounds that overcome it. The comeback story is great. Yeah.

And the thing is that it's good to look at those things and be like, okay, whatever my background is, I can do it despite this. Because some people are poor. Some people aren't. And we're in a lucky place in this country to be able to have certain things that can allow us to overcome that. So it shouldn't, you know, that whole tiger thing. I don't know. It's, it's weird to think that you have to have crazy amounts of trauma to get to some, some level of greatness. You don't. And if you do, you can still get past it. That shouldn't

be that a reason why you can't become great. So it's actually pretty cool looking at all the shit that happened to Tiger Woods because if you are someone who's dealt with quite a lot of shit when you were younger or anything like that, there's still motivation for you to be like, I can still get to some form of – if I have the patience and I put the time into what I'm doing, I can still become very good or great at what I do. And there does seem to be like maybe a pattern in some of these people that have been neglected or abused in some other ways to the point where they do a good job of getting locked in and locked on to what it is they want to be great at. And maybe like not every story is like such a tragedy, but sometimes it's somebody just growing up with like a lot less means. They just came from a different country or they, you know, there's many different scenarios and they're just trying to make the best of it. And they came from a different country. They weren't as well off. or just trying to make the best of it that they can. And they lock in and they lock on to getting really good at something because they don't really have something to fall back on. We see that very often.

But that's also just something that you can make up in your own head. You can say, I'm going towards this and I don't have a choice. Failure is not going to be part of my story. I'm just going to fucking keep plowing forward until I'm successful. So you can, like, not have a safety net and or you can pretend that you don't have one either way. Like, for myself, you know, again, growing up, like, upper middle class, like, I had a safety net. I could have utilized it. I chose not to ever think that I ever had one, you know. I chose just to think, like, I don't have a safety net. I could have utilized it. I chose not to ever think that I ever

had one. I chose just to think, I don't have a safety net. I'm going to forge forward and I want to figure out my own life, my own way just because I'm more interested in that. There we go. Did you ever find the clitoris? I don't want to fuck up. Did he ever?

Oh, he did. Oh, I did. Oh, he found it. Many haven't. Oh, I did. He found it. Oh, I definitely found it. Many haven't. Many still haven't. That's so sad. You know? It's just a little button.

Yeah. Look how big this one is. Get it a little larger. Wow. Oh, my God. Behold my glory. What are you? I am The clitoris

Oh what the fuck is that? Somebody fucked it up But that's what it looked like That is not an ordinary clitoris That is a clitoris on some testosterone Turned into a little wiener andrew take us on out of here buddy i wish i didn't fuck it up at the end with that stupid voiceover that's kind of funny oh it was funny thank you everybody for checking out today's

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