Mark Bell's Power Project - Are These Men Actually Creeps? Maddy Forberg Reacts

Episode Date: February 23, 2023

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All right. So y'all know in fitness, some guys be creepy in the gym. Nah. Right? Guys be creeping. You ever dealt with creeps in the gym, Maddie? Yes. Oh, I can imagine. But there's been a kind of a new thing on social media where some people are maybe taking advantage of that. Right. So there's two videos or maybe three videos,

but I'm curious about your thoughts specifically because I think you might have a lot more insight than most people on this topic. Yeah, you can maybe share some creepy experiences with us if you ever had any this is how to not approach girls at the gym i hate this i hate this i hate when they're sweet it's me so uncomfortable feral feral feral feral like fucking feral. This is the 5 as 5 pounds. This is the weights. Excuse me? You don't have to do that.

It's okay. No, no it's okay. I got it. Thank you though. okay no no it's okay i got it thank you though see what i mean all right here we go have you seen that video before no yeah so she saw him like looking at her he came over to help with some weights um and it seemed like it just really did bother her a lot of people have been talking about that specific clip um and she actually ended up apologizing for it but it doesn't seem like a normal response you know what i mean like it seems like she has maybe dealt with something before and maybe she's taking his looks to mean more than what they actually are i don't like these videos where they just zoom in on the people

around them because they could be looking at anything. Now, if somebody is like squatting and they're right behind me, just like staring at my butt crack or something, that's a totally different story. I do think it's annoying but not harassment that he like put the weight on because so many people have done that for me. They're like, oh, let me grab that. And I'm like, I'm going to add like three more plates on here like you know i'm not incapable of doing this yes and while i you know there's two sides of that like oh they're just trying to help but also like i'm not this damsel in distress with this plate um that to me is like not really it does seem kind of like she's being a bit dramatic because he like glanced over there a couple of times.

He could be looking at anything. It's not like he's, I don't know, being weird in my opinion. I've seen a lot worse where people are like just straight up kind of like stalking, like prey kind of thing. Circling. Yeah, and that one seemed a bit mild to me. Not that it's ever appropriate to like stare at somebody, but that didn't look like that in my opinion. I would say, isn't this how we meet people? You know, like you're probably thinking as a guy, like you heard about how your dad met your mom or something and you're like, here's my chance. Like I should go figure out a way to get close to this girl to say hello or something. So I don't know, I'll help her with the weight or I'll try to, you know,

I guess maybe there's other ways you could approach it, but maybe for that guy, maybe he did want to have some sort of communication with her, but he just didn't know how to go about it. Yeah. And that's a tricky one because people will ask me like, oh, how do I shoot my shot in the gym? And I always kind of want to be like, well, maybe the gym's not the place for that. But that's where I met my partner. Like, that's not fair for me to say, don't go and try and meet somebody at the gym.

I would just be respectful. Like don't – if somebody seems like they're uncomfortable or they don't want to talk to you or they're in the middle of a set or something, now is not the time to talk. But if I'm going to like the water fountain or something or like I'm waiting in between exercises, I feel like that's an appropriate time to come up to somebody if you're really trying to shoot your shot. But also like don't just totally disrupt somebody's training session. It's weird too because you're supposed to be like a little stealth about all this, right? So you can't really go up. I mean, I guess you could, but you're not really going to go up to a girl and just say, hey, I think you're super hot. I'd love to go on a date with you sometime. Like that'd be too weird, right? But it's obvious when people get talking that that's what they are thinking, especially if they're talking about trying to have a date or something like that. So I don't

know. It's interesting. And then on top of that in fitness, what's also interesting is how we train and train and train and train, but then somebody says something about it and somebody magnifies it. And for some reason we're like embarrassed or we'll say just trying to get like you bro oh yeah but you like if i go to a grocery store or something after i worked out and i'm in a tank top you know i there's probably somebody's gonna probably make some sort of looks oh yeah somebody's gonna probably make some sort of comment like are you my veins are popping out and everything and i don't know what people will think or say but it's funny that if someone does say something to someone in fitness, we usually act very weird about it. Yeah, that's true. I know that if I'm

going to wear shorts somewhere, somebody is going to say something to me. How do you feel about that? In the past, I would feel kind of weird about it and get really uncomfortable and kind of like you're saying, be a little bit shy or like timid about the situation. But look, like not a lot of people look like me. And I don't mean that in like a vain way, but the way I look is very different. And I am somebody that like, you don't really look at me and know exactly what I do for training. Um, so if I saw somebody looking like me, I'd probably ask like, oh, wow, your legs look awesome. Like, what do you do?

But it is interesting that we do act kind of weird about it. Like if my family, if I'm at a family party and somebody is like, how's your lifting going? It's like the last thing I want to talk about. I'm not, I don't want to. And you work so hard at it. Yeah. Why wouldn't I want to talk about it? You can whip it out and show them on your phone and you can be like, here I am in week

nine. Yeah, exactly. This is how it's going yeah but you'd never do that right that's weird for any ladies that are watching this i'm actually curious what you do think about men approaching in the gym because it is a social space it's a social space where there is a common interest in whether it's getting jacked or getting healthier y'all have have the same mindset, the men and women there. But how do you ladies feel about getting approached? Do you think it's, because I've seen comments of women saying everyone's in the gym to work out, don't approach in the gym. But that just seems too, I mean, I met my girl in the gym, right? You met your husband in a gym.

It just seems like it's odd that that's just not the place. I agree. And especially if you really prioritize training, you'd probably want to meet somebody who at least cares about it. So if you're somebody who's training a lot, you're probably not somebody who's going to the bars all the time or going to clubs and other places where you'd meet somebody. So it's, again, like the time and the place. Should a guy come up to me while I'm in the middle of like a rep? Like absolutely not. Or if I'm about to like set up or whatever, like don't talk to me then. But in like the in-between times, I feel like that's appropriate. And again, it's on me to be like, hey, look, I'm just not really interested.

Like it's really easy to say that. I know some women kind of feel like they need to like be nice about something but i think more women women need to be direct be mean like if you're not interested tell that like don't entertain the conversation tell that guy hey listen i'm not trying to meet somebody at the gym i'm just trying to train like nice to meet you but i'm not really interested and you turn around it's chris hemsworth like uh hold on a second i meant like uh i mean not interesting celebrity crush yeah maybe is that your free pass it's chris hemsworth for you michael b jordan for me yeah i like it i like it nah i'm joking are we joking

what more do we got we got more clips yeah yeah yeah watch this guy try move to me at the gym oh I've seen this one checks absolutely nothing on his phone

looks over at me being busy sorting my wrist straps these fucking straps taking up too much time makes a swift return sorry do you know Sad Lips Lift return.

Sad lift. What are your thoughts on that one? That video is just like more bullying for him. He looks like somebody who's going to the gym. Maybe he's a newbie there. Maybe he doesn't know the name of that machine. Maybe, you know, maybe you could be helping him. She looks fitter than him.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that like walking by thing is him like on the prowl trying to be a creep. I feel like you wouldn't have even noticed that unless you went back in the video on your phone and realized that that guy was walking by you. It's tough. Like I'm happy that these things are getting noticed more because again just like interaction happens at the gym as awkward as it may be you're going to interact with people that you may not want to interact with and sometimes not as malicious as it may feel or as it may look um so that type of thing yeah he looks like he was a noob just asking a

question yeah i think the gym is such a vulnerable place for all of us because we're going there to like maybe work on our insecurities. Maybe we're new. Maybe we're not super strong. You know, maybe it's kind of a vulnerable place to be. So I think people are a little bit on edge sometimes, especially in this day and age for women where people are more predators than anything. Like I can't even count on one on both hands how many times I've seen somebody like take a picture of me or like be really gross. That makes you on edge. But then there's situations like this where that guy actually is being harmless and he seems like he doesn't know where he's going.

Maybe he's like a resolutioner and he doesn't even have a gym plan other than just get there so i don't know that one to me is just like you're making that into something bigger there is something extra that woman like woman do have to deal with more of that especially in the gym like yeah number one if you look a certain way you will be you will be getting just more people just glancing and looking at you and that that is, there's no way to avoid that. But then there are legitimate, creepy motherfuckers that will make your life, you know, a living hell in the gym. Yeah.

So. It's interesting. I think that I heard somebody mention this before and I don't know how many people actually think about this, but men and women are getting more attractive. They're getting more attractive to each other. Like we're learning how to be more attractive. The clothing that women are wearing is way different.

There wasn't really even women in the gym when I was a kid. And the women that would go to the gym, from what I remember, they wouldn't really wear makeup. You wouldn't see like a lot of what's going on like nowadays is is different and new a lot of it probably has to do with social media maybe they're recording for something and they want to just look their best all makes sense um but you go back to rocky which rocky is the uh the guy that made the hoodies popular because there wasn't really a lot of people wearing hoodies before the movie rocky came out and you look at his sweatpants and you look at his hoodie that he's wearing some old rag tag like just shitty stuff men now have joggers they now have like more form-fitting stuff

that's probably more attractive uh for whoever's interested and same thing with women and this the clothing from women has changed so much. I mean, Lululemon revolutionized how to make white girls have an ass for once in their lives. They did. They cinched it in the right spot. Yeah, they cinched it in the right spot. Thank God for that. waistband and all that worked out the way it did. But now like the progression of that, you know, in the eighties, there was women like aerobics instructors.

They would wear like a leotard over top of like spandex and you would see the thong thing going up the butt. Well, now the thong thing goes up the butt, but it's just in a pair of shorts. It's like not over top of the shorts, but it's in the shorts. So a lot of these things are very not over top of the shorts but it's in the shorts so a lot of these

things are very revealing all the way to the point where lululemon stuff uh was see-through was it yeah i missed this you did it was very much see-through like the more it got like stretched the more ah yes the more the more uh see-through it would. I'm not trying to make any – I'm not trying to justify somebody. Like somebody taking a photograph and stuff, like that's way too far. And people should – I think it should be kind of common sense of when you're going too far, but maybe not everybody has that kind of built-in common sense. maybe not everybody has that kind of uh built-in common sense but i think to notice someone from across the room and then to and then to be attracted to them and then to like have a hard time looking away is like quite understandable uh now there is a difference between that like admiring

versus like really pervin and you can kind of tell sometimes when you see the way a guy looks at a girl you're like he's thinking some fucking nasty shit right now that guy's out of line but it's a tough thing because the clothing and a lot of the stuff that we even even the training like let me train and make my butt bigger that's like well that's gonna get more eyes on you the bigger that butt is the more attractive it's probably going to be i think that there's never an appropriate time to stare at somebody regardless of the situation or what they're wearing like i will look at women's butts of course like why you know people look fucking great especially when we are wearing these leggings that are really tight and they're like right up your butt crack i'm wearing a pair right now um but i do think that there's a like a line

in between like you know you can casually glance at somebody or you're looking or whatever and then like full-on peepers just staring at them like that's uncomfortable for everyone i agree like if i saw you staring at somebody like that i'd feel uncomfortable just watching you like creep on somebody you know like that's not cool in any situation, whether you're in the gym or the grocery store, even, you know, you know,

there's something that I was talking with my girl about and it, it ended up being way too long of a conversation, but I was thinking like, damn, that, that is tough. Like I was thinking, you know,

if we do one day have a daughter, right. Um, you know, telling a teenage boy, Oh, there's really nothing you can tell a teenage boy oh there's really nothing you can tell a teenage boy you can't wear that in public and these are the ramifications to potentially wearing something like that in public because you could wear anything pretty much it's going to be

hard for you to get creeped on but a young girl wearing certain things it's like you want her to be able to feel good and confident and not feel you know anyway but i know that if my my makeup daughter that that doesn't exist wears a pair of short leggings and a crop top i'm going to be like you look great but you understand that when you go out there there are some real people are going to give you more attention than you probably may want And that's just a truth of life. Right. So it's a weird thing that like, you know, you know, woman can, I want women to wear whatever they want and look great. But there are people, there are many, many men who will just not be able to take their eyes off it because of partially biology. Like they're just going to stare. And it's like some women do not

like to hear that, but it's just a fact. It can't be avoided. I think that that's true. And also that we need to put as much emphasis on our conversations with our sons about why that's inappropriate and why that's predatory. Because it's really sad that that's a truth of life, that you'll have to tell your daughter potentially, hey, it'll be inappropriate for you to wear this because other men are predators on children. And so like emphasizing that we're having both of these dual conversations that, hey, this might happen if you wear this. You know, not that you should be ashamed of your body or anything like that, but that this might happen.

This might be the reality. And also having the conversation with the son of like, this might happen and this is why you shouldn't do it because it makes people uncomfortable and their children like it's really crazy to go on tiktok or social media and see like young girls wearing makeup and crop tops um not that they shouldn't and can't but i look at how grown these children look like compared to what i looked like at 13 like i looked embarrassing at 13 but i looked like a child i looked my age you know i had probably crazy hair and glasses and you know like leggings with shirt on over it and a skirt on over it we just the style was so different now you see a 13 year old and you're not sure what age they are

just because they do look so much more mature the uh the part that like i have a hard time with just simply understanding and i hope i'm not like looking at it the wrong way but you know when these girls are filming in the gym i'm sure they're hoping that they get a lot of views they get a lot of likes they get a lot of attention but then when they get the views and the attention in person, then it's not okay. Where's the disconnect there? Like, why does that not make much sense to me? Well, I guess some of these situations, like obviously the ones that were shown were situations where it's like, okay, you're, it like you're you're legitimately making this so you can get views and likes for something that isn't actually legitimate i see okay right but there are some out there like there's a video that i think we have here

that like there are some real weird motherfuckers out here right it's just it's it's it's a weird spot right now in uh fitness and social media stuff yeah there's a lot of um wellness athletes a lot of uh women that compete in wellness that will wear shorts that are probably like bigger than my under or smaller than my underwear like i've seen a lot of like wellness athletes doing that because, you know, on one side, if you've got it, flaunt it,

whatever you've worked so hard to have what you have more power to you. But also I do think there is a line of like, what's kind of appropriate to wear. And I hate saying that as a woman, cause I want to tell women like, wear whatever the fuck you want. It's not my decision. Like,

and I do believe that, but also I have seen some, some people wearing things like that where it's like you're basically wearing a G-string at the gym. And you're like, well, that's the kind of thing that whether people find you attractive or not, they're going to look because it is just a crazy thing to wear in public. Yeah. Where do you draw the line? You know, like is it okay to have the butt cheeks hanging out or is it not okay? I don't know where the line is to draw. But it will probably have unintended consequences.

You might feel – like somebody might feel good. They might feel sexy wearing something and that's cool. But to your point, a young girl wearing something that is sexualizing her body, it's going to be sexualized to everybody. As soon as you leave your house, as soon as you go to the grocery store, the mall, wherever it is you're going, it's on display for everybody. So it's not the other 17-year-old boy that's only going to see that. It's going to be the 45-year-old guy, the 50-year-old guy, and so on.

And it's just – it probably just, it can put you in a compromising position. And I think if you just have that in your mind and your thought process, and hopefully parents can teach both sexes about these kinds of things and have these conversations, but it always matters what you are, the way that you look it's always a factor you mentioned your mother having conversations of you being a black male and being a certain size and yeah right like that's why i carried myself in certain ways so that i don't come off intimidating to people right and it's always going to matter and whether if you're a more flat-chested girl you can probably wear certain things and no one's going gonna say shit but if you're like a

double d like you probably want to try to figure out a way to cover those things up a little bit more because it's probably going to get unless you don't mind the conversation about it it's probably going to get people to say stuff i'm not saying they should say anything yeah but they're probably going to say something no and that one one's a big one because I could wear something low cut and it's just because I'm wearing a sports bra. But because I've got bigger boobs now, I've got a boob job, it now looks like I'm just trying to show them off. It's like, well, am I showing them off or do I just have boobs and I'm wearing a tank top? But it's true. Unfortunately, that's the way it is.

What's the answer? Yes. Okay. But it's true. Unfortunately, that's the way it is. What's the answer? Yes. Okay. But Andrew brought up an interesting point that I kind of wanted to touch on. He said the thing about attention. Like should you, like the women being mad that they're getting the attention that they're working for. And I think, I don't know the background information on the people in these clips. Um, but I do think that it is kind of frustrating for us to not

really judge, but to comment on like them getting that attention when maybe they are trying to make something really positive. Like I make a lot of instructional videos or helpful things on social media. And that, that doesn't mean that I'm asking for people to like check me out or tell me what I'm looking for, especially when I'm trying to provide educational content. And I also don't feel like to get my point across, I have to be wearing a turtleneck to do so. Um, I think it would be really unfair to feel like I've worked on my body and I'm also coaching at the same time. So in order to be respected, you have to wear a full length hoodie and baggy pants. It's just a tricky one because if somebody were to come into my body and tell me that I look great, I'm not going to be mad at them. But it's also kind of frustrating when it's like I am trying to provide you with something very real.

Interesting thing is like from a guy's perspective, you look at the respect that Andrew Huberman has gotten and how has he gotten that respect in the fitness community, which you would think like he's not necessarily in the fitness community, but he is because he's giving out a lot of information. He's always wearing, like you don't see him with his shirt off. Same with Dr. Gabriel Lyon. Yeah, Dr. Gabriel Lyon's pretty covered up.

So it's interesting. There is something to it. I mean, for some reason, there's some sort of, I guess I'd say this, is that you might not be trying to put out any sexual energy at all, but other people may interpret it differently. Just because you look good, just because you're wearing something, and they're and they're like wow she looks great and they're not even maybe listening to what you're saying to some extent some extent do you feel the same way either of you guys are walking around like without a shirt on i think i think the same thing is gonna it can get sexualized yeah yeah like i've done videos with my abs out? Because I know that there has been work to be put in to look this way. People want to look this way.

And I do have some information to help them get there. Right. So utilize it if you're in fitness. But it is a different thing. It's not different, but it's more difficult for women when they're doing that because the women that are consuming that content can look at that content for that information. And many of the men can, but the sad aspect, well, I wouldn't even call it sad. An aspect of it is that there are men that are just horny on Instagram and horny on TikTok,

and they're not necessarily picking up that content for the information, but because she's hot. And that's not, I'm not going to say that's a bad thing, but it's just men. Generally we are more visual. Like we are driven more visually than women, most men and most women. That's not necessarily a bad thing, right? But it's just, that's how it is. Now, like you did mention, there needs to be a bit more awareness on what's kind of creepy and what's not okay but i would say that that's something to that is a little bit too hard to try to train out of a population and out of like a group that is driven in that way that's why like i mean pornography is

more like guys get drilled more when it comes to that that visual stimulation drilled more my choice of words was actually good they get drilled more? Drilled more. My choice of words was actually pretty good there. They get drilled more. They get drilled more. But no, no, they get driven more towards pornography, the visual stimulation of it, than women. And that's why they're the main consumers or the majority of consumers because they are more visually driven than women are.

No, that's true. And I don't think that there's any harm in being hot and trying to give like information or education out. I think like it could be both. I think the problem gets to be when people try to tie that to respect. Like for so long, I would never – I would feel really embarrassed if like you could see my butt in a post because for me, I was trying so hard to build my reputation as a coach and a serious athlete. And I would just not post things like that, things that were revealing or whatever, because I just didn't want people to look at me that way. And then as I've

gotten a bit older, I'm like, well, my self-respect or my reputation as a coach has nothing to do with that. Like I can also be hot and I can wear stuff that's flattering and that doesn't mean that I'm bad at my job. Does not. Because again, part of like what you've been able to do, like your physique is a byproduct of things that you've done to get to where you are. Like people want to be able to attain aspects of your physique, so utilize it yeah but like with that comes territory of somebody making inappropriate comments would you agree yeah yeah i mean i can't as people tell me all the time i can't put something on instagram and not expect a certain comment um like i i had

this oh god i've had two videos go viral, like truly very viral, and both experiences were horrible. I have a video of me. It was like a voiceover about like putting jeans on, and I like pulled the jeans on. But it was when I was in prep, and I wasn't wearing any makeup. So everybody – it literally has about 60 million views, and everybody was just constantly, that's a dude, that's a dude, that's a dude. And I've got a video of me from the Olympia in like a black long sleeve and a

black skirt. And then so many people are, that's a dude, that's a dude. And it's really frustrating because you think like, you know, maybe we should be kinder or whatever. But again,

you put something on social media and unfortunately you do open yourself up to that. Um, but it is always just interesting who's making those comments yeah those those comments of like because you see you see those especially in fitness when it does come to women that are more muscular you see a lot of guys who make those types of comments and they're typically just pretty small guys oh yeah they're typically pretty just weak guys yeah so it's it's yeah it's unfortunate what's up power project family it's time to stop dressing like you're a fucking preschooler and step your game up by checking out viore clothing now i'm not one to talk i wear a fucking pink hat that has a dog on it but at the end of the day at least my shirt and shorts are popping so head

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Don't come near me. That's way over the top yup yeah that's just one of those things where you need to learn social cues you can tell when somebody's not interested in talking to you and if you can't man somebody needs to teach you

because that's rough that's embarrassing to watch because that's horrible for her because, man, I wouldn't want to be put in that position. You don't know what's going to happen. If somebody is so ruthless to talk to you that they're just like all over the place, that's kind of a volatile person, you know. But, yeah, that one's bad.

Yeah, and the thing is though, that was a good video because like as a guy, I've never experienced a woman ever being that forward. Probably you guys haven't either. That would be awesome. Honestly, I mean, shit. But there are probably a lot of women who have experienced that. That's why this whole thing, women aren't just making this up. As much as there are women going viral and we're

seeing they're making aspects of this up or maybe it's being overblown. There are many women who are dealing with this and that's, and it's an, it's an aspect that makes them somewhat afraid or uncomfortable having to go to a gym. Yeah. Things like that are, I don't know, it's really good to put into perspective like what women do handle in the gym. I've had countless experiences like that where people are just, whether they're, they think they're being harmless or not, it's intrusive, especially somebody like that who's got their headphones in, they're clearly trying to train. Like you say something to them and they're not responding. I feel like that's pretty obvious. They don't want anything to do with what you're trying to

talk to them. You just think that everybody wants to hear from you. Do you think this could be another possible reason why something like CrossFit blew up and did so well was because it was a community, even though there's a lot of skin and a lot of short shorts and shirtless people, there was a level of respect on how you performed and not so much just on how you looked? Yeah. I think that's a really good point. I haven't really thought about it like that way with CrossFit, but especially something where it's a team environment, I feel like other people are kind of looking out more,

whereas this is so individual. She's like off on her own, and a lot of these situations are where, you know, in CrossFit or like a team environment, you know, you're kind of responsible for other people in a way. That shithead would not be in a CrossFit gym because he wouldn't want to do the work. Yeah, that too. Right? Yeah.

And I've seen this comment from many guys. I'm curious about your thoughts on it. Many people have been saying, well, this is why there should be men and female gyms. Apparently in Dubai, right, they have gyms like they have female gyms and they have male gyms, right? What do you think of that concept? Do you think it's stupid or what do you think? Man, that's a complicated one. When I went to college, there was a section of the gym that was women's only.

A section? Really? Yeah, a section of the gym that was women's only. A section? Really? Yeah, a section. Apparently they would have a couple hours of the day where that was specifically just for women, couldn't go in there. Wow. And I always walked by that thinking that was so stupid. I was kind of in the beginning of my powerlifting journey, and I was like, why would you need that? That's so dumb. Just go to the other part of the gym. It's not that intimidating.

But then I've started working with like newer athletes, younger women, or even people like my mom who don't have a lot of knowledge in the gym and they feel really vulnerable. And it's, you know, you're kind of putting your weaknesses on display. Like you're, you know, it's kind of like when you're going to therapy and like, you know, that you're going to kind of bare your soul, you're going in there to work on something and maybe you feel really insecure about, and you don't know how to do it. Like it's embarrassing sometimes to do a movement that you've never tried before, especially as a new person in the gym. So from learning about other people's experiences in the gym, other women, newer, older, just inexperienced, I can see why having that section would be helpful because maybe you feel safer.

You feel more comfortable to try something new or to work a little bit harder. Even in our society, we don't expect women to be strong or to be loud. Or think of people like Hunter Henderson where they'll pee when they're deadlifting. And so many people don't understand why that's happening. So in some ways, I can see why that might be helpful for women to be able to have that space. But I also think that dividing it that way is really inappropriate, especially if it's just based on people being sexualized. It's like aren't we all adults here? Yeah. Yeah.

I wonder why they did that. They did that in Dubai in particular if it's the climate of the area or something. I think there's – okay. So I don't have done the research but I would assume it's because partially like culturally over there, women and men are somewhat – Women don't have the same rights that they have here dubai i'm not sure i know dubai they do the male and female gym things so i'm not like places in the middle east versus dubai i know that there's somewhat of a difference but i do think that that's part of the reason over there anybody from dubai if you have more information

chime now because i don't want to be spitting bullshit. But yeah. Yeah. I don't want to sound ignorant and say the wrong thing. I know that in like some kind of Muslim cultures where they have to wear like very covering attire. Yes. That the idea of a women's only gym would be more attractive to them because there's no men there. So they wouldn't have to cover up the same way because in some of those cultures,

they don't have to wear all of that if women are around. It's only to protect themselves from the male gaze. Again, I don't want to sound ignorant and give the reason for it when I don't completely know it, but that might be a great idea for them because they don't have to wear all of these garments. They can be a little bit more free in the gym and not worry about like going against their culture or religion or spiritual beliefs.

Check out more of the video. Shit. oh i think i saw this video yeah look at the background there's some dudes over there. A little help. Now there ain't nobody around. I think she's been... How long does this go on for, Andrew? I don't know. Oh my God.

Yeah, she's stuck there. Let's get to the end. That shit would hurt. Oh my God. She's there for a long time. I'm impressed that she held it. Yeah, good for her. Great mobility.

Isometric. There she goes. Now she got to the end. Another lady comes to the rescue And I think There's one more You should just play the next one Go right into it?

Go right into it Alright, yeah Oh shit, she's about to throw that squad Oh shit Alright guys, someone help her Oh wait, she's throwing I'm not a gym crew I need food, I'm hungry

I'm hungry I'mmy creed i'm married i'm married so yeah just i guess people are thinking like you know now now people are just not gonna help if you need some help just say i don't want to be caught on 4k. Yeah, that one sucks. Like for that girl who failed that squat and had to like sit there for forever. I could see why some of these men feel

like scared to go and help out, but I don't know. Somebody's failing like that. Well, first of all, if you're attempting a squat that you're not totally confident in, maybe squatting in that rack wasn't the smartest choice anyway. We can tell she shouldn't have done that next rep. Or just squat inside the rack rather than outside the rack.

There you go. That's the rack's for. You put some pins up. You can drop the weight down. Yeah. Setting up the safeties. That's what that's really an advertisement for, how to use safeties. That's true.

All right. So real quick, Maddie since like you know about this cues when a guy should not be approaching a girl in the gym she has her headphones on she may be focused on her set what else how do we know not to approach if you ugly if you're an ugly dude just don't. Oh, that's cold. But that has been said a lot, right? If the girl finds him attractive, then maybe he's not as creepy. But what was that stat about women finding men attractive? They find most men unattractive or something like that? It's like 80% or something.

Yeah, it was something like that. So that's a good stat for men to know. That's a real stat? I don't know. I heard it somewhere. Odds are you're ugly yeah we be reserved yeah we did talk about this there there's a weird side of it where like um being approached by a guy that you find attractive it's like nice but sometimes some women approached by

a guy that they're not remotely attracted to some of them take it as an insult you know what i mean yeah it's like and they'll end up like oh this fucking creep it's like no he's just he's not your type you don't like him you don't think he's attractive he's not a creep so to flip the question let's go how did you approach your girl uh i uh dm'd her i've seen her i've seen her in the gym before then i dm'd her okay so do you think that's like a more appropriate thing to do is to try and DM them? Well, I had her Instagram. So the thing is like- Or does that make you a creep because you found her Instagram after seeing her at the gym? I asked her for her Instagram.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Then I went on to DM. So you went up to her and you said, what's your Instagram? Well, so complicated situation. She's been around here. So we've known each other in person for a while before I ended up DMing her. But in essence, I did meet her in the gym, but it wasn't like I saw her one day in the gym and then went up to her. We've been in each other's orbit for a while. So it was much easier. It wasn't a cold call. Is it helpful if like a guy's been around a little bit, like you've seen him a couple times, maybe there hasn't been an interaction. I'm just trying to help some of these dudes out. Yeah. I personally, I would say yes.

If you're somebody that you've maybe had like a, hey, what's up? Like you've seen them around the gym, you know, that they're not just this like traveler weirdo. Partially familiar. Yes, exactly. And you've been a friendly face maybe. Like you've shown that you're not this creep but why does he always come to the gym at 7 30 p.m when you come to the gym and somehow you guys are now coming to the gym at the same time every single day look at that do we have

the same schedule that's so weird you work legs on tuesdays also huh all right cool hey let's be real sometimes like you, when someone's going to be there. So then you're like, God, maybe I'll have a chance if I can talk to her that. And then you were there. Is that creepy though? I don't think so. I think, I think it's your actions afterwards. Like if you're, if you actually go up to them and they're like, I'm busy then, and you keep doing that, that's really weird. I do think that being a familiar face would be helpful. So maybe not shoot your shot the first time you're seeing them.

Also, it's probably a pretty good pickup line. Like, hey, I saw you at the gym the other day. It seems like you've been training really hard. What are your goals with fitness? What are you into? That's cool. I'm into this thing too. Do you want to train together sometime?

Kind of thing. Cause if you just come off the bat, like, Hey, I saw you. Do you want to go out? Like, that's kind of weird.

I don't think anyone would like that. And probably like in accordance to what they say, maybe you shouldn't go. Do you think a dude could just go to the gym and work on himself and just like really be one of the dudes that like stands out amongst the crowd, right? Like, damn, this guy's super consistent and he's never once even looked at me. Do you think that will gain a woman's attention more than somebody that actually approaches them? Maybe.

But eventually they'll have to make some kind of shot. Yeah, I feel like having at least like some eye contact or something might be helpful because otherwise maybe that guy is married or something. And then that girl, I don't know. I do think it's good for maybe girls to try shooting their shot more in the gym. Do it. Trust me. Men will be so thankful. Ladies, if you did that to a guy that you found attractive in the gym,

he'd love you. He'd be so thankful you did that. Do it. You probably have no idea what you're talking about. You want to go out sometime? Like, where? For what? What are you talking about?

We're already here. We're at the gym. Yeah, where are we going to go? This is where I go. And then you're just like, never mind. One thing that I've seen quite a bit. No, but this is one thing. Taking rejection well as a guy is a big deal. because i've seen some comments from women who are like guys get aggressive when they're

rejected right that's what that guy did yeah yeah like i didn't even think he just kept pestering her yeah that shit was weird but yeah like a lot of guys like if they get rejected by a woman sometimes they'll some women are scared of them getting maybe a little bit violent or start fucking name calling and shit. So guys don't take rejection well, but at this, on the other side of it, and this is a tough thing. I know you mentioned that sometimes women should be mean and I understand that because like sometimes you need to be forward and say, I'm not interested in you. But an aspect of it should be, can you be mean in a nice way? Yes. Right.

So like, because there's a side of, there's a side of approaching that is already anxious in itself. Right. So it takes a level of, okay, I gotta be ready to be rejected. But then if you're rejected and like you piece of shit,

why are you coming and talking to me? Oh yeah. No. Right. So reject in a nice way and take rejection well if it happens to you yeah i i listen to this podcast i really like true crime so of course i'm a white woman in my 20s of course i do but they say in this murder podcast they say uh be weird be rude stay alive because a lot of the time like

women think that they have to be overly nice or if they're picking up on like some you know feeling in their gut that it's a weird situation they try to deny it because hey you know it's fine but i think you should pick up on those things and also you don't have to be overly nice in that situation like if somebody asked me out at the gym and i was like oh you know listen like that's really nice of you i'm just not really interested right now i don't have to be a bitch about it i don't have to say fuck you go away but if i say no i'm not interested and i give it the nice response and they say why wouldn't you want to go out with me i wasn't even that in you anyway like it's i'm not gonna sit there and be like oh you know what now that really won me over yeah yeah then there and be like, oh, you know what? Now that really won me over.

Yeah, yeah. Then you got to be like, bitch, get the fuck away from me. Yeah. Straight up. You're not interested now. But what about tomorrow at like 7.30? Yeah. Are you still married?

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