Mark Bell's Power Project - Dissecting the Dark and Driven Mindset of Arnold Schwarzenegger || MBPP Ep. 952

Starting point is 00:00:00 It's really cool how he like got really good at multiple things. He got to be amazing at all of them. Exactly. When he's young, like he looked good, but he didn't look like someone you would pick out of the crowd and be like, that guy's going to make it way above everybody else. He was super inquisitive. He was doing some bodybuilding, did pretty well, comes to the U.S. and they're like, you're fat.

Starting point is 00:00:18 And it's just an interesting thing to kind of think about, like what made Arnold, Arnold. And maybe because of the way that he had to figure out how to get himself to this country, maybe he just made him a notch more competitive than what maybe some of the other guys were. I think it was supposed to be like, I will be back or something. And he just blurted out, I'll be back. And then boom. Everyone always says that like bodybuilders in the 70s and 80s were just, they were better. They look different.

Starting point is 00:00:39 Those guys are athletic looking. Bodybuilders today are not, it's not the same. I think it should be called something different than bodybuilding. It's just like, I think it should just literally be called mass monsters. If you know what it takes to be successful, then I think that can end up making a great leader. He always seemed to be like a step ahead, right? He was always a step ahead in bodybuilding somehow. But if you have that dedication to your food,

Starting point is 00:01:01 and you have that dedication to come in that kind of shape every single year, and to be the best in the world at something, I don't really know why, I don't know who would be more qualified. Pepper Project family, welcome to the podcast. We are 900 plus episodes deep, bringing tons of different experts in fitness, health, nutrition, and business. And we thank you all for your support. And we're also glad to be bringing these individuals to you. Now, if you've enjoyed this podcast and it's brought benefits to your life we'd really appreciate it if you left a five-star review on spotify or apple as that helps the podcast grow and thrive and we can continue bringing you amazing content thank you for your support and enjoy the episode so we got some new

Starting point is 00:01:38 cameras here andrew well that's not too bad right well? Well, there's an adjustment period. Let us know how you guys like how these cameras look. How crisp they are. Because we're looking crispy. Do we look better? I think we all look pretty crispy. How do we look? Is it working?

Starting point is 00:01:57 You look younger. See? Yeah. There you go. All we needed was some more filters. To hear more shine. Filters and growth hormone and ai yeah all righty what you guys got today uh i really like that one documentary a lot i know

Starting point is 00:02:15 and sema saw it too it was really good and uh i think our boy andrew he's got a little kid running around the house all crazy. He's still learning jujitsu. And Andrew ain't got time for that shit. So I think we should just fill him in. Yeah, please. I want to watch it. I just can't.

Starting point is 00:02:34 No, y'all got to watch it. I think there's three episodes. The first one is him as an athlete. The second one is him as an actor. And the third one dives into him as a politician. And it's really cool how he got really good at multiple multiple things he got to be amazing at all of them exactly and uh yeah it was i think uh i think sometimes when you hear of a story of someone like that you just kind of think man they must have always had it you know and um he you know he did have attributes when he was young uh he did fall

Starting point is 00:03:06 in love with bodybuilding at a young age he saw like he saw like some bodybuilding magazines and there was a particular uh i can't remember reg park reg park there you go yeah reg park was a um a hero of his bodybuilder and he followed that guy's career and modeled himself after that in the beginning but when he's young like and he's lifting he looks like a normal teenage kid that starts out lifting he he wasn't um he wasn't fat he wasn't like overly muscular he he looked good but he didn't look like uh someone you would pick out of a crowd and be like that guy's's going to make it way above everybody else. Then a couple of years later, of course, as he matured and as he started lifting more, um, he started turning into a mutant, but it seemed like everything he did, he, it took a lot of, a lot of work, a lot of time and a lot of patience. Do you guys think it's easier to start

Starting point is 00:03:58 lifting alone or with people? Cause in the doc, that's one thing that was pretty cool. Like there's apparently, um, an athletic club or whatever. I forgot how they pronounce, but there's an athletic club that he started training with. So he started training with another group of people. Um, and I, that's one thing that is pretty, I think missed for some people when it comes to exercise in the gym, because sometimes the gym is just a solo effort. You put on your headphones and you go and you it's you versus you, but it's different when you got training partners it seemed like uh kind of where he grew up it seemed like it was uh seemed like it was pretty like regimented you know seems like a lot of things were really regimented and kind of strict

Starting point is 00:04:35 and so lifting must have felt like a like a good outlet and then especially because he got to do it with other people yeah and um there's probably a good mix of people like I remember one of the coolest things about going to the gym for me and what's kind of cool to seeing my son come here and seeing my nephew come here and stuff is that there's older people here too so you know if you're 15 or 14 or however old your Arnold was when he started there might be a guy in there that's 30 something that can kind of tell you like oh you know when I started I was actually smaller than you and i was lifting less and this is how i got stronger and this is a good exercise and you get people to kind of show you the ropes but you also

Starting point is 00:05:15 learn just how other and especially back in those days like it was all men so i'm sure it's probably a great way to kind of get some education and learn how to be a man as well. Yeah, looking back. Learn how to be manly. Like for me, you know, I was very timid, so I didn't like working out with other people. But now that I understand everything that you can gain from just literally just being around somebody that's been in the game longer, you know, I wish I could have, you know, been more open to that. Because I did meet a couple guys in the gym gym and like we talked and we'd see,

Starting point is 00:05:48 cause it was like the morning crew, you know, who's going to be there. And, you know, you know, this guy's going to always be benching and not doing anything with his legs because he messed up his knee in high school or whatever it was, you know, those types of, of a gym goers and stuff. But like, I wish I did reach out and like, just kind of communicate and go into the gym without the headphones because I did that every single time because I just wanted to do my thing

Starting point is 00:06:09 and if somebody else was there on the machine or the bench that I wanted I'd be like all upset and you know kind of ruin my day but now it's like damn that would have been a cool opportunity to just learn from somebody yeah I think it's got to be kind of hard to try to figure it out by yourself um going to a gym where there's people and then tuning other people out with headphones is one thing, but going to your basement and being 14 and just looking at pictures from a magazine or something and then being like, okay, I'm going to try those curls. I'm going to try this one right here. All that kind of hurts or that kind of works.

Starting point is 00:06:40 That would be a lot harder. It would be a lot more inspiring and motivating to see other people, especially, I mean, how blown lot harder. It'd be a lot more inspiring and motivating to see other people, especially, I mean, how blown away are you when you're a kid and you go to play soccer with somebody or you throw a football to somebody and that person can throw it like twice as far as you would kick the ball twice as hard as you'd be like,

Starting point is 00:06:56 oh, that person's my hero. How'd that guy do that? Does he have superpowers? You know, it's just because he's like three years older than you or whatever, right? But, dude, there's a mindset thing there because a theme throughout the doc, specifically with Arnold, is that he was super inquisitive. There's a lot of things that he didn't understand, but he always found a way to get that information. I think one of the more even really cool things about it is that this is the age before the internet, you know, like this was before you could just open up your smartphone and be like, okay, what program can I do to gain some

Starting point is 00:07:30 muscle? Or what do I need to do to start acting? You know what I mean? It's like, you have to go and find people and figure out a way where they're willing to talk to you and give you the information you're looking for to get better. And he did that again bodybuilding he did that with acting because we saw he was a shit actor he mentioned that shitty actor learned dove into like what he was good at in his specific niche right and became one of the best action stars of the 80s like that's crazy just saw him time and time again like just chased down uh what he thought was gonna be the absolute best for him like Like over and over again, he, he was doing some bodybuilding. He did pretty well. Everybody was sweating them. It was like, you're awesome. You're this, you're that comes to the U S and they're like, you're fat.

Starting point is 00:08:15 It's in not so many words. I basically just say you're fat. Yeah. And he wasn't by any means, he wasn't fat, but like, you know, bodybuilding has some crazy standards and um if you're if if someone was go up on stage at a bodybuilding at a professional bodybuilding show and they were like 10 body fat people would be like mer like get off the fucking stage you cow because like he would look fat in comparison to everybody else because these guys are rolling around with you know veins you know head to toe i think frank Zane said he was puffy. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:46 Yeah. Frank Zane. Yeah. And, uh, and I think Frank Zane was like winning Olympias at the time. And Frank Zane had those really kind of deeply etched abs and, and was kind of known for, um, known for being like one of the leaner guys. Cause there were some other guys that were bigger back then, but yeah, Arnold, he just dove into it each time rather than like being like, oh shit,

Starting point is 00:09:08 like this is too hard or this is too difficult. He's like, I'm just going to adapt to this culture. Like, what does that mean? I'm too fat. How do I change that? Like, what am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to train differently? Something I found really interesting in the documentary

Starting point is 00:09:23 was later on in the documentary, when he to become Arnold, it was really neat to watch the other guys look at him in the gym and watch him because it seems like they knew that he was just different. like what the mindset was behind the filming of like pumping iron and stuff but those guys in the background that are watching him pose and stuff those guys know that they're not Arnold and Arnold knows that those guys know that they're not him either like that and he knows that they can't be on his level they know they can't be on his level it's like there's kind of some sort of weird understanding and they're just all kind of watching them but they're all like supportive of him pretty much at least it seems like that from you, some of the footage in the movie. He's just built like totally different than everybody. So you're like, what is, all those guys are training hard. All those guys are using similar stuff. A lot of those guys taught Arnold

Starting point is 00:10:17 a lot of things. And it's just interesting thing to kind of think about like what made Arnold, Arnold, like is that harder work is it genetics but it's just that you know giant combination of things and maybe because of the way that he had to figure out how to get himself to this country and the way he had to kind of fight for that to to be able to do all those things maybe he just made him a notch more competitive than what uh maybe some of the other guys were coming Coming here, not speaking the best English, having an interesting accent, right? These are a lot of things that— A name that people can't pronounce.

Starting point is 00:10:51 Yeah, yeah. Or we'll just fucking butcher. Exactly. There's a lot. There's a lot of work that you have to do that other people don't necessarily need to do. A lot of hurdles that you need to get that other people don't necessarily need to do. A lot of hurdles that you need to get over that people don't. But a cool thing too is that like, for example, his accent, when it came to acting, right, there were a lot of people

Starting point is 00:11:12 that were like, there's no way that you can. And even in some of his earlier stuff, it was pretty bad. But he turned that accent and he turned like all of those things into a strength for him. So he started like his lines were very succinct and were very catchy. And the whole story behind the, was it the I'll be back in Terminator? That was really dope. I think it was supposed to be like, I will be back or something.

Starting point is 00:11:35 And he just blurred out, I'll be back. And then boom, that ended up being a catchphrase for decades to come. See if you can try to find that clip, Andrew. It's kind of amazing. I believe like if I remember it correctly, he's got the shades on. He just kind of, like, looks kind of over the counter and, like, does a little glance and then he says it. And then he just goes right through the window. But, I mean, it's interesting.

Starting point is 00:11:58 Like, you don't know, you know, you don't know what these things are that are going to make someone epic. And can you imagine um imagine reading the script for terminator like now it kind of seems cool like now it would seem cool if you read the script for terminator you'd be like oh yeah it's kind of that kind of thing's happening all the time there's um you know there's ai and there's things being fully realized all the time but back then it this uh this whole idea of this Terminator thing must have seemed, the whole thing must have seemed kind of corny. But he took the role and he fucking crushed it.

Starting point is 00:12:30 This is from the first one. I remember it from the second one, but the first one is, okay. Yeah, this is it. The big one. I'll be back. The music, the haircut, the glasses, the leather jacket.

Starting point is 00:12:48 This is action movies right here in the 80s you know make them like they used to i have a question for both of you guys exactly okay andrew i'm thankful that you said that let me let me what are your guys's thoughts and and everyone that's listening chime in and let us know why do you guys think that everyone always says they were better in the 70s and 80s like it's the guys think that everyone always says they were better in the 70s and 80s like it's the same type of vibe as like they don't make them like they used to everyone always says that like bodybuilders in the 70s and 80s were just they were just better they look different they're not bigger they're not as lean but even even i don't know necessarily how to describe why those guys look better yeah There's just like, because when you look at, okay, Chris Bumstead's great,

Starting point is 00:13:27 and he's super lean, super shredded. I don't want to use him as an example. I don't even want to use the bodybuilders as an example because bodybuilders now look like fucking fridges. They look like walking fridges. And the only reason why their waist is small is because everything is so gargantuan, but their waists usually aren't even small. It's like they don't look

Starting point is 00:13:47 as good. Their waist could be 36 to 40 inches and you wouldn't know because their chest and back and shoulders and arms are so big. You've got no idea what's going on anymore. It's kind of, I'm sorry, it's kind of nasty. Normal body building. Classic physique is like, I think classic physique has done a much better

Starting point is 00:14:03 job, but even some of those classic guys, I don classic physique has done a much better job. But even some of those classic guys, I don't know if it's just the cameras or maybe we just have, what we're looking at the past is always being better. Maybe that's just the thing. I think, I think, you know, bodybuilders, especially like in that documentary, and we'll talk about it more like Arnold coming off of gear and stuff like that. Like there's definitely some really interesting and unique shots of him in the documentary. So I recommend it to everybody to check it out. But it's almost like those guys are athletic looking in some way. And on top of athletic looking, it's like, ah, they just fucked around with weights a

Starting point is 00:14:36 little bit more than some other guys. Like they just like to throw around the iron a little bit more than everybody else. Maybe they like to go a little heavier. And there's some real mutants back then too. Like Sergio Olivier, like Sergio Olivier. He looked fucking insane. I mean, some of these guys, they were insane. Like, don't make any mistake about it.

Starting point is 00:14:53 Some of these guys still had 20-plus inch arms. I mean, they looked insane. And their body weight wasn't too crazy. So when someone has 20-plus inch arms, but they weigh like 230 or 240, like that is, um, that is completely,

Starting point is 00:15:08 you know, abnormal. But I think a lot of these guys could still move. A lot of these guys could still do a lot of, a lot of awesome things. Look at that waist. Like the myth, right?

Starting point is 00:15:19 Even, um, like even Franco Colombo, right? Franco. Oh, that, that's a,

Starting point is 00:15:23 that's an epic, that's a legendary photo, dude. Yeah, so you can pull that up a little bigger. That is a legendary photo. I think that's like a, I mean, again, he's so freaking big. It's insane. I love that picture. But even a downsized version of that, I think everyone could agree, you're like, this looks like a powerful person.

Starting point is 00:15:48 Whereas a bodybuilder, you're like, how does that guy get in and out of the car? Can that guy wipe his ass? Like, how does that guy even eat? Can he do this maneuver here? Can he like shovel food to his face? We don't call that a walk. That's a wobble. You know what i mean and no no like okay and and i know making jokes i know those guys work hard as fuck i get

Starting point is 00:16:12 it and it does it takes something different to be that big it's a it's genetics it's some crazy hard work you're constantly doing everything you can but it just uh it just doesn't look as good and i think part of the thing is like you said I think the guys of the 70s, they still looked maybe athletic. They still looked like they could do things along with just being big. Maybe they did gymnastics for a long time, then they stopped doing that and they just wanted to get a little bigger. Yeah, that's what it looks like.

Starting point is 00:16:38 Something like that, right? Right. It looks more reasonable. It looks more aesthetic. I think a lot of the bodybuilders of today would even agree. Yeah. I think even like a Jay Cutler or something would be like, yeah, man, like these other guys, they kind of look better.

Starting point is 00:16:53 I think there are people that do like the guys that are just getting like really, really big. But I don't know. I think some of our strength sports and some bodybuilding and stuff kind of went sideways in a way. And I actually wish that in Strongman, I wish that they made some of the competition design, I wish they made it a little different so that the athletes didn't have to be so enormous. Like years ago, you were seeing guys being like 450, 500 pounds, and it's just not healthy.

Starting point is 00:17:26 Not that these sports, like health is the first thing in mind, but I do think these sports would be more popular if you had leaner, more athletic athletes doing them. And so if the weights that they were using in strongman weren't so completely astronomical and if they had to carry stuff a further distance, it would create a different style of athlete, much like what you've seen with what CrossFit has done. CrossFit has athletes that people are like, wow, that looks really good. I would like to be built like Rich Froning. I'd like to be built like that person. It's more, even though it's not obtainable for anybody to be built like those guys, I think people are like, well, he weighs 205, 210. I could figure that out.

Starting point is 00:18:11 If I worked out for a while, I could figure that out. But they're still an amazing team. Do you guys think it's the kind of like oversaturation almost? It's a weird analogy, but I don't know if you guys ever watched The Hangover and if you ever watched the second Hangover. Everyone was like, oh, the second Hangover sucked. It's so much worse than the first one. But if we never had the first one and you never, ever seen it,

Starting point is 00:18:34 the second one would have been pretty damn good. But the problem is we have the first one, therefore the second one is now dog shit. Did they have two or three Hangovers? I think they had three. Which one was Tyson in? The first one. Oh, he was in the first one? Yeah. I don't even remember the second one is now dog shit did they have two or three hangovers i think they had three which one was tyson in uh the first one oh he's in the first yeah i don't even remember the second one then i guess honestly i can't think of it i just know the third one i think they went to bangkok or maybe that was the second one what i'm getting at is we have these awesome physiques and now it's like oh here's a like the iphone 13 or whatever was a dope iphone and then the 14 came out and like okay this is

Starting point is 00:19:07 pretty good too like you know there it wasn't like this oh my god this is incredible it was like oh yeah cool we got two more pixels but if you go back to the fucking iphone 4 and then you got the 14 your head would explode but because we just are gradually getting a little bit better a little bit better a little bit better a little bit better but also getting them every freaking day and then now with bodybuilders it's like every year they're getting a little bit bigger but we have so many of them it's like are they as great it's just we've seen this movie before therefore we're like ah the first one was better the first one is my favorite one not this one i think the only bodybuilders to really compare 70s guys to are classic physique guys

Starting point is 00:19:48 because bodybuilders today are not – it's not the same. I think it should be called something different than bodybuilding. It's just like I think it should just literally be called mass monsters. That's the thing that makes the most sense. People call them mass monsters because they are mass monsters, right? And classic physique still has the goal of trying to keep a flow to the body that looks amazing and looks good, but you're still, you know, wide shoulders, small waist, you're not going to have a blocky waist as a good classic physique guy and, and wide legs. So let's see if we can bring up maybe some clips of like last year's Mr. Olympia, like the finals or something, kind of give people an idea of what we're talking about here versus, you know, some of these guys like in the 80s.

Starting point is 00:20:32 Again, I think that most people would agree that the the physiques that the guys had in the 80s were just more like desirable. You know, you just look at like those legs and those shoulders and it's amazing what that guy's built. I mean, that's... Bigger, am I? That's crazy, but it seems like there's maybe some sort of upward limit of how much muscle the human body should be able to hold in accordance to like its height, I guess.

Starting point is 00:21:10 And it just can start to look weird like arnold had really cool proportions yeah arnold had you know arnold kind of had it all in some ways he had some height to him which is good um but arnold had really amazing arms and a really amazing chest. And I think that's what stands out when he would pose and his, his waist was kept small. I think that people coming off of their performance enhancing drugs is a big deal. People coming off steroids is a big deal. And there's shot after shot of Arnold and there's commentary from him saying like, I would use stuff for like four months, five months.

Starting point is 00:21:46 And I, I believe him. I, it, again, when you watch the video and you see some of the shots that they show, he looks way different. He looks kind of normal sometimes. He looks kind of normal. He looks like he might even go down to like 210 pounds or something. Like, I mean, he, he doesn't look like the same arnold um he still is uh gorgeous handsome man that he is but he's just not as not nearly as thick and not nearly as muscular

Starting point is 00:22:14 nick walker right yeah holy shit uh did they address the diet at all in the movie they they talked a little bit about it, but it was, um, you know, diet and supplements and stuff. It was just like pretty simple. Like people just, um, they, they stuck to their like meat and potatoes and vegetables. Um, I think some of the people started to figure out that you could like lower, you could lower the carbohydrates. out that you could like lower, you could lower the carbohydrates. Um, you could, uh, you know, manipulate the fats and stuff. People started to kind of understand that. But I think, I think back then, I think it was a little bit harder to just get such particular stuff. You know, now, nowadays it's like so easy to go to the store and like literally get whatever you want.

Starting point is 00:23:07 And I think in those times, I think it was a little harder. So I believe that many of these guys were like dieting with like steak and eggs and like maybe, you know, some carbohydrates and stuff like that here and there and whole milk. And I think that's another reason for the look being a little different. I think they're, I don't think they were compromising as much. Like these guys, they'll compromise to no end nowadays because they have insulin and growth hormone and IGF-1 and a full cycle of steroids and just a whole litany of things that they can take to help them survive, you know, going through 1200 calorie days and stuff like that. But I don't think Arnold and stuff like that but i don't think arnold did shit like that i don't think those guys did that back then yeah no i i asked that because you know he mentioned recently about how he wished he could go back and not eat so much red meat when

Starting point is 00:23:55 he was bodybuilding and blah blah blah yeah it just seemed like it was like more of an ad than oh yeah yeah i think so too well that, that was, I think he was supporting, you know, Arnold, he later became, like, political and stuff, and I think that was him supporting that Game Changer movie and stuff like that. So you've gotten your labs done, whether it's six months ago or a year ago,

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Starting point is 00:25:00 Links in the description as well as the podcast show notes. There's one thing that I think was really sick. He mentioned that his dad always said that he should stay busy and be useful. And that's something that he himself mentioned so many times, being useful. He said something along the lines of not getting depressed or you don't have any time for being depressed or depression if you always have something that you need to do. Right. So it's, it's, it's kind of the idea of like, there is a,

Starting point is 00:25:28 I think an importance in no matter what you're doing, and it's not that maybe you have to serve other people, but figuring out a way to be useful in some sense, right. Have a purpose and be useful, be either helping people. There's some people who love to volunteer and being useful for the community because of that.

Starting point is 00:25:43 There's some people who, oddly enough, like they like working in service, like restaurants and stuff because of the feeling that they can see from people who get good service. Like there's a good feeling when you know that you've been able to help someone and you've been useful to people. So like that idea is, I think nowadays is a very important one because, you know, a lot of young guys find themselves like maybe getting down depressed. But if you're, you know, getting your dopamine from video games and you don't really do much, you don't force yourself to go out there. It's not going to be surprising when you feel kind of shitty because you're not doing anything that brings you a level of purpose or allows you to actually be useful. So you're going to feel bad. And everyone can find their own usefulness. I mean, you might have to start low.

Starting point is 00:26:33 You know, there's a quote that I always liked and it says, it's from Friedrich Nietzsche. He says, man will never truly find God because he's not willing to look low enough. Meaning like you're going to have to like dive down pretty low and serve people. And that's when you're going to be able to understand the world a little bit better when you kind of dig deep and get down in there. And I think it's just an important trait to think about. So even if you're new at, I don't know, you're new at some workplace and you can't keep up. You don't know how to make the documents that they want you to make. You don't know how to edit the thing

Starting point is 00:27:09 that needs to get edited the right way. You can ask people, hey, I'm a little slow on some of this other stuff, but I really want to help. I want to make an impact here. How can I help? Josh Setledge, when he worked here, started out as an intern and then we were just like forced to pay him and forced to pay him more as he worked here

Starting point is 00:27:30 longer because he was a guy that every single time, every, every time he came in, every time he saw you, he greeted you. He said, do you need anything in particular today? Can I help with anything? Which that wasn't even necessarily his job to like, he wasn't like my assistant or anything, but he would ask you that, like, can I, can I take something from you today to help you further? Cause I, you know, I appreciate the job that I have here. And then every time he would leave, he would do the same thing. And then he made a hell of an impression on Eric who works here now. Cause Eric does the same fucking thing like damn dude like that's pretty impressive and so everyone can uh everyone can can really move the needle a lot more than they think you don't have to be the guy that's like leading everybody into the charge and all this stuff you you can become that at some other point but you can be useful and find your purpose

Starting point is 00:28:22 through vicariously by assisting and helping other people around you. And you'll probably need a couple years. I know, I just think as a man, I think you need like a four or five or six year time period where you just kind of stumble into yourself. And at that time, that's the most important time to keep the ball up in the air, not let it hit the ground. And to be able to keep your chin up and to be able to kind of make something of yourself. And you can get momentum at that point. That's when you can start to feel better and you can start to get into,

Starting point is 00:28:53 you know, training of some sort or pushing yourself a little harder on certain things. And that's when you can really push. So this is a classic physique finals now. Yeah, this is definitely much different we also have like you know these guys are you know they got like they figure out the lighting and they they get like insanely tan and so the sport like has changed i mean arnold i don't even know like i don't think all those guys even like shaved everything and all that shit back then. I think they threw a little oil on and got up on stage,

Starting point is 00:29:27 you know? But yeah, this is a way different look. There's not, um, that's just my opinion, but this is just a way fucking better look. It's,

Starting point is 00:29:35 well, they're just, they, they just look, they also look a lot leaner too. I mean, I, I don't,

Starting point is 00:29:41 I mean, I don't even know how to compare it like body fat wise. Cause it'd be hard to tell. So the guys have so much muscle, know how to compare it, like, body fat-wise, because it would be hard to tell. These other guys have so much muscle. But, yeah, this is... His lats just look like shirt balloons. Well, and if you saw this guy, you know, five weeks before the show or five weeks after the show...

Starting point is 00:30:00 Oh, he'd look huge. Yeah, right. He would look extremely impressive, and he wouldn't look... For some people that are like, oh, he's look huge. Yeah, right. He would look extremely impressive and he wouldn't look, for some people that are like, oh, he's still got a lot of veins and stuff. Like some of that will, some of that will go away a little bit when they're not on the actual stage itself.

Starting point is 00:30:16 Did he just wink? He might have. He's uncomfortable, bro. Come on. Oh, man. Yeah, I think, you know, the documentary, it also, like I was saying earlier, it revealed a lot of photos of Arnold when he was young.

Mark Bell's Power Project - Dissecting the Dark and Driven Mindset of Arnold Schwarzenegger || MBPP Ep. 952

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