Mark Bell's Power Project - Do Men Have to Deal With Body Image Issues as Well?? MBPP Ep. 757

Episode Date: June 27, 2022

In a previous episode we talked about Yumi Nu on the cover of Sports Illustrated and the many different opinions on a curvy model. One topic that caught our attention was dudes talking about the perception of an attractive man's body should look like. We see super heroes jacked and the attention they get, for some that body is unattainable right now. Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!! ➢Enlarging Pumps (This really does work): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 ➢https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject Code POWERPROJECT20 for 20% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off site wide including Within You supplements! ➢https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://eatlegendary.com Use Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order! ➢https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast

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But you can try some of it. You want to try some of it? It's your level five Kratom. Yeah, you got to go for it, Mark. Just drink the whole thing? Well, now you guys are cautious. I just had a potion. I'm just curious about this too.

Imagine all our guests when they come in. Down the whole thing. Down it. Down it. How's it taste? It tastes really bad. It's great because they tried to flavor this and it's like a hazelnut. And then it just, like, why would you, if you're going to flavor something, why wouldn't you try to make it taste good?

It's like when somebody tries to spray, like, that potpourri shit after taking a dump. Yeah. It just smells bad. Yeah, it smells like poo still. Went from bad to worse. Poopourri. Poopourri, exactly. If you spell poopourri. Poo-pourri, exactly. Can you spell poo-pourri, P-O-T-P-U-R-R-I?

You're the smart guy. I have no idea. You're the smart one. I don't know how to spell anything. No. It's getting so bad. I remember you had mentioned a while back, you're like, yeah, I mean, you're typing and it's like your iPhone can't even recognize it.

I'm there now. Like, that's where I'm at. My phone's like, I got no idea what you're talking about. I got nothing. I'm not close with this suspicious when I'm typing it out. I know there's like an I and an O and a U

and an S and a fucking C somewhere, but I don't know the organization of all that shit. And it's so demoralizing when you announce it to everybody that you can't spell a word because then you're typing it's like fuck suspicious oh yeah you just talk when you uh talk voice the text yeah yeah i'm like damn it i gave in that's a good idea i never i never thought about doing that but that's oh it works great yeah if it's saves peculiar nope can't even pronounce it. I know. That one's hard. Nope.

Say it. You can say it. Peculiar. Hey, that was pretty good. I did start to laugh, but that was pretty hard. I'm so stupid with stuff. I know we're not supposed to say cancer around here, but I have a really hard time with enunciating something that someone said to me that has something from a different language or something from a different custom. Like if you said your name, it's like so hard for me.

That's all y'all though. I know, but I admit it. I'm really bad. Really bad. Man. Teachers, man. Like, oh my God. I'm so white.

Okay. I apologize. This is a thing i've noticed i think it's because american names are just they're pretty cool they're pretty chill right they're like sam or david john jerry greg that's literally my brain when i'm thinking about somebody i have to text i'm like tim bob bill it's like white name after white name after white name and i land on it always and you know i have sympathy because all your life you're dealing with that and then you have some motherfucker coming up to you his name's takayaki i knew what takayaki takayaki igarashi and you look at it and you're like that was with my uh my sixth grade uh woodshop teacher mr becker it was it It was sad for him because Takeaki's name came right before mine. He's Igarashi.

I'm Iyang, right? So our names are right after each other. So he's saying all these names and everyone's chilling. And then he's like, oh, fuck. Tiki-ik. Tiki-iki. And Takeaki's like, Takeaki Igarashi. And his ass, Mr. Becker was he was a little bit of a

comedian so he was like it's not funny now but he's like takayaki teriyaki like it was just and then his ass gets to my name right after it he's just like i just this audible sigh he's like great. I was like, Nsema. He's like, Nsema. And he just couldn't, he couldn't do it. So I have sympathy for you guys. It's tough. I know. I think Graham, he still calls you something wrong, right?

Oh yeah. Graham always, he messes it up. Yeah, it's fine. He hits you with the Nsema. It's fine. Well, he goes to the same jujitsu school as you, so I'm sure that. He pays for it later? He can pay for it here and there, right?

Yeah. Give him a little receipt for it. It's going to be fun rolling with Graham because I'll go nice with him, and then there will be some days where I'll just choke him a few times. Yeah, or maybe you're not so nice. I'll be nice. You see James Smith, he posted – Something jiu-jitsu.

Yeah, he posted a jiu-jitsu-y thing. A guy came up to him was like bro your triceps aren't even that big and it's like when you make the transition to do more jujitsu and he just starts choking the guy out like seven different ways oh it's his latest video you want to pull it up it looks good funny man he's hilarious james smith is is a he's a great fucking content creator great mind and also a great content creator yeah a comedian he is he's not looking too big bro that's loud oh hey now those tries are not looking too big bro when you change but people comment on your physique like you're a bodybuilder

Have a good day, Nick. Those tries are not looking too big, bro. Oh, man. It is fun. I love the bro mentality. It's great. Yeah, it is. Man, it is fun, though, just to, like, know you could just choke someone. Do you think there's still people out there that, like have shot just because they're lifting and that they're big?

That they can do something to somebody who's been training? You train every day. You're not fighting fighting, but you're practicing a martial art that is mimicking fighting. No, absolutely. I think, again, why, at least for my generation, why did a lot of kids start lifting? This jack motherfucker right here that could fight. You know what I mean? Goku.

Yeah. Right. So I think like, you know, when you get bigger, you're like, right. And people won't mess with you when you're bigger, too. But that doesn't mean you can actually defend yourself. That just means that you're less likely to get stepped at because you're big. Yeah. In the first place, somebody might be like, that's probably not a good person to pick

on. Yeah. And I mean, let's be real though. Lifting and strength training, definitely like even if you don't know how to fight, people still won't want to mess with you. Like you have strength. Like you could, I mean, your punch might not be technical, but it's going to be strong. I remember like a few times I've been in stuff that's physical.

I remember pushing somebody and I was like, whoops. That was not cool. Did you do that as a kid? I did it as a kid, yeah. I threw a kid into a post on the soccer field. I twirled him around and just chucked him. And then when I was older, there was an altercation at this bar that i was at and the guy it was interesting the guy's girlfriend hit my brother in the back of the head and it's my

brother so just as like a reaction uh i pushed i was like i can't do anything to her so i just shoved her boyfriend and both of them went flying into a bike rack. And there was a whole line of people that were outside of this bar, Sharky's in Formosa Beach. And they all just started, like, clapping. They were so pumped. They were like, fuck him up. But when I pushed the guy, I was like, that was way too hard. It's like your 500-pound bench strength.

Yeah, they were like, I mean, they were, you know, being like violent and fucking acting crazy. So it was like whatever. But as soon as I pushed, I was like, that was unnecessary. That was way too hard. Man, working on a bar scene must be fucking wild. We just had that episode about like alcohol. I was just going to bring that up go for it well because you know when you're talking like do people still think that they can like yeah there's still dudes that will drink every ufc fight and

be like oh who's fighting uh bantamweight i could take them it's like no bro you can't you have no you have no fucking chance josh i mean i'd kill that guy fuck off dude no you fuck no you won't yeah so mendez yeah so that's when we're talking about that liquid courage kicking in especially that it's like i'm 215 like what's 135 gonna do to me oh you've seen how explosive chad mendez oh my god dude he's terrifying yeah like any any heart yeah josh sedilage you? Josh Settleage would wreck 99% of the population. And he's like 160 pounds. Like, you'll see him in like a long sleeve.

He just looks like he's chilling. But if anybody were to try to step to that boy, he'd take your legs out and slam your head into the ground. No matter how heavy you are or big you are. I just think this guy has pretty good. Oh! Is that? I don't know who that is. It's a guy, yeah, uses some of that peekaboo

nyson style oh my god it was on foos gone wild and i just thought it was hilarious because people were like you know they put him there because it looks kind of silly but at the same time i looked at his footwork and i'm like oh my god no that's deadly like yeah what's his page like you know oh sorry there it is i didn't even know that it was an actual page but that just looks that looks really yeah it almost looks sped up it's like kind of unbelievable how fast he's moving i don't know who this guy is but i just saw that and it reminded me of everything yeah that kind of footwork is really interesting where you you uh hop like you hop to the side like imagine you you go to like mess with somebody they just hop to the side. Imagine you go to mess with somebody. They just hop to the side and they hook you right in the face. I'd be like, my bad.

I'm going to leave. Here's everything you want. My wallet, money, whatever you want. Like your face, you're squaring off against them and they hop to the side of you. And then they hit you with like a hook. You'd be like, what the fuck? Yeah. Actually, you'd be on the ground.

Right. On the fucking ground. Oh, I haven't brought this up yet, but Chris mentioned it. Why do you think there hasn't been a good movie since Braveheart? I know. I say it all the time. It's my favorite movie. It's your favorite movie?

It's such a good movie. It's one of my favorite movies. I like Braveheart a lot. I truly don't think I've sat. I'm sorry, but I don't think I've actually sat through the whole thing. I think I've fell asleep. No, I've seen bits and pieces of Braveheart. It's really long.

It is super long. It's very long. You have to commit. Yeah. So why is it so good? I don't know. I just love it. It's a typical story of like –

The underdog? Yeah, the underdog. And he just keeps getting fucked over a bunch of times and then he makes like a triumphant comeback and he ends up like dying in the end or whatever but he's dying for his uh freedom and dying for and it's you know it's a fucking hollywood movie but it's halfway true i guess william wallace did exist and there's uh stuff about william wallace but yeah i just i just don't know i always thought it was dope always thought it was cool what about the part where he's like captured he's like all in chains and shit and then that chick comes and gives him something i think it's to kill him right

like she like makes him drink it but then she kisses him afterwards and then he spits it out like how did he make out with somebody with a mouthful of liquid i just even when i was a kid i was just like but then she would have noticed because she was like, oh, you're here to drink this so they don't torture you. I think that's what happened. And she's kissed him. And she was trying to kill him? Like that stuff was supposed to kill him? Because like that was his trick.

Oh, because at the end he's getting tortured. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, yeah. Might have just numbed the pain probably. Maybe that's what it was. Yeah. But he spit it out after kissing her. And I was just as a kid being like i didn't i don't

think i had to kiss anybody at that point but being like that's impossible yeah like how did he do that i love those movies uh where everyone's so dirty and gross and then except for like the main female character oh he's super hot just hot and just like pristine and just looking amazing looking like she smells good everybody else looks like all their shit's probably overgrown downstairs and they're not fucking stink like shit there's like no showers there's no bathrooms but i was watching 300 the other day i was i still never watched the whole thing all the way through but i keep getting to the same part when they're like like they're in that last stand right when like they're like killing everybody and there's only like a couple of them but yeah his wife i was just like they're like killing everybody and there's only like a couple of them.

But yeah, his wife, I was just like, damn, she's so hot. And it's like, I just started thinking about it because she put her hand in water and I'm like, oh, that's where she probably takes a bath too. Like this doesn't make any sense. 300's pretty cool. You ever see that? Yeah, I saw 300. Yeah.

I've seen that twice. You have to finish it. Gerard Butler. That was a fucking good movie. All those people got jacked for that. Yeah. Those guys were probably on the sauce. That was like, there was a whole thing about the 300 workout and stuff.

That's when it started. Yeah? Yeah, that's when it started, like the superhero workouts. Because then after that, it was like the Avengers workout or whatever. I don't know. I'm making shit up. But they started coming out after the Wonder Woman workout. All that stuff.

Gerard Butler never looked like that ever again. Nope. Yeah. Ooh. Short. Oh! You get half a point sorry guys that was amazing it bounced in but you didn't call it you gotta call it away from me i'm taking it back yo but uh what's his name chris hemsworth he looks fucking dope yeah thor movie movie everyone's making videos about him being on the sauce he just looks he looks like he looks incredible he's crazy

yeah I saw that scene in the trailer where the guy's like trying to make something like move out of the way and he just like removes all his clothes and then the women

all faint oh god can't wait to watch that gonna watch I wonder Doctor Strange in two days. Disney Plus. Oh.

It's in two days. Oh, cool. I wonder how much Hensworth weighs. Any idea? He's pretty tall. He's like 6'3". I'm guessing he's maybe like 220. 220, 210.

That's a big person. Yeah. He's a big human. This isn't what we're going to talk about, but ever since we did that one episode with the Sports Illustrated swimsuit thing, right? And we kind of talked about female body image issues. There's been a lot of guys that were kind of talking about male body image and the effect that this stuff and then even know, that has on that. I think we could talk about that later. But it's a very interesting topic because, I mean, I haven't, I don't know, I've thought about it a little bit. But it's different, you know?

Yeah, I just don't really hear guys talk about it as much. But, you know, so many of the male influences that we see are fucking jacked, you know? And I think that, um, I think that, uh, from a society standpoint, there's definitely more pressure on women because it seems like,

uh, it seems like, uh, you mean specifically for the body? Yeah. Specifically for the body. It seems like some dudes can walk around with like a gut, but a girl with a stomach that is kind of accumulated some body fat,

like it's just, I don't know, it's going to be harder for that woman to get particular men, right? They'll still find a male, of course, men are will go for anything at some point and different people have different got in you and different people have different tastes right i just i just have this uh hibiscus and also about alcohol it just depends on how many drinks you got yeah right right like yeah and uh but i did i do think that like it's from a societal standpoint anyway it appears that there's like sometimes you see women that are very very attractive and you're like that's odd you know why is that why is she with that guy like that guy is like fat and short and whatever and who the hell knows there could be multiple reasons why the guy, maybe they're just in love.

Who the fuck knows? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, a chick definitely will find somebody eventually. But yeah, you don't see too many, you don't see the opposite. You don't see an overweight girl who makes a shit ton of money with like a dime piece dude. Do you guys want to go on this? We're already up, sir.

We're in. But for a dude, there's the emphasis on like, you know, making money and trying to go that this we're already we're in but for a dude there's the emphasis on like you know making money and trying to go that route also but yeah you don't really i guess what are they called uh like sugar daddies and then sugar mama i guess i don't know i do remember back in the day on jerry springer i would see a very very heavy overweight white woman with a skinny black guy i remember seeing that and that is the official cancellation of mark bell's power project thank you guys so much for all the attention and love you guys have given us over the years it just brings up the meme which is like we have seen that right i'm not making things up he needed somewhere to just stay

he needed somewhere to stay yeah i didn't even know it's a meme that's great that's the thing where do we go where do we go from here that's the thing man i remember this account again dog i remember like when i was younger i'd be getting him worked on at the starbucks and i i saw this skinny black dude man it was just like this older kind of big white woman but she had a big butt but like she was just like i'm like dog like what like that is a thing in certain scenarios and it's man i don't know i can't explain it i just just popped into my head i'm like i gotta share this i gotta say i gotta just spit it out oh fuck i also know that when i was a bouncer and I would walk through the crowd, if my butt ever got pinched, it was either by a gay guy or by a black girl. They're like, you got a big ass.

And I was like, that doesn't mean you can just like pinch it and spank it and do whatever you want with it. Oakland booty. Yeah. I was like, damn. Okay. Thank you. Hey, these are things that have happened to you so yeah just want to yeah no i was uh when i was younger i told you i don't know if i told you guys

it was one of my exes we were at a we were at a gay bar because some of her friends were down there so we go in i'm just like at this table and then this this gay dude comes up to me he's like hey how you doing i'm like i'm good i'm how are you and then he starts like it's like look at you you're kind of big i'm like i'm good and then he starts like trying to touch me and i'm like i'm going around the circle and her friends are laughing like guys this guy's really trying to grab my junk because he was like going for my dick and then uh this drag queen came out and she grabbed him and she's like, I'm sorry, whatever. But he did manage to like cut me.

I was like, oh, so I can see why you don't love to go out. Yeah, man, that shit wasn't. Yeah. I went to a gay bar in New Orleans. I was going around with my wife. We were going to different bars and stuff. And then there's a whole kind of section uh that has gay bars and you know like when a when male and female pass by

each other you like you like line each other up a little bit and you kind of like rub on each other a little bit it doesn't matter if you're like single or if you're married or whatever, like there's like a little bit of a thing going on there. Like it's, it's more than just like you passing by. Cause I'm sure that if you calculated it just right, you can probably not touch each other at all. Right. If you wanted to.

Um, as I was walking through the crowd, I noticed that, that when I would have to like maneuver through the crowd a certain way, I i would have to like maneuver through the crowd a certain way i noticed like guys like pushing into me a bit more like you know kind of and i and i just yeah i just told i told andy i was like i i was like we we have to go i just can't i just i'm not i my ass is gonna get us in trouble yeah i'm good but like let's let's go like i don't mean to be a party pooper yeah never been to a gay bar the closest i've got to anything like that i was walking with a friend of mine we used to like more than a couple times we would just like drive to like la like just let's go if i can find something to do and we ended up we would

always end up in holly Hollywood Boulevard is just, there's always so much shit going on. And I just remember we turned a corner and I was like, oh shit, what's going on in there? Strip club. And I was like, damn, hell yeah. And my friend was like, damn, hell no. Just a bunch of dudes naked on stage. I'm like, ah, shit, my bad.

I felt so stupid i was like oh fuck oh god just looking at the dudes like oh just kidding that was it yeah yeah that that's it's nightlife is interesting man but back back on topic this whole uh yes whole male body image thing you know you're you're mentioning um i don't know you're saying something about how the way that men and women are looked at as far as attraction and like you know we know that men you know let's look at the way men typically look at women men don't typically look at look at women for like oh how much money does she make or what's her job like those are cool if this is a woman that's like you know really driven and she's doing well in life that's a cool thing but we're we we're very visually driven you know we're not thinking security when most most of us are not thinking security because men

aren't like most men don't go through life initially like who's going to take care of me they go with the understanding of potentially needing to take care of somebody. So what does that make them do? You have to build yourself up. Yeah, there's still the component, even though it's traditional, there's still the component of women get pregnant. And the man feels like a certain responsibility to maybe work more, have a higher paying job, whether it's like uneven in the workforce, you know, that's another topic. But I think that there's still some of that traditional thought process going into life

after you're 25. Exactly. Exactly. Like, and especially in this economy is for some people, it's going to be well after 25 for you to get settled into a job and start making the type of money you make. And men are looked at as far as like the way women are attracted to them. Like, yes, there's this visual like, okay, are they good looking? But there's a bigger aspect of, okay, well, can they take care of things?

Like that's what you see a lot. Like women looking seriously at men who have things together as far as their financial stability and all these other aspects other than looks, whereas men look at women primarily for their looks. And a comment that I was continuing to see from a lot of guys because, you know, we mentioned the Sports Illustrated thing, and we are seeing in certain aspects of media, specifically on the female side, because you don't see it on the male side, Specifically on the female side because you don't see it on the male side. Women who are curvier or bigger, like let's just use the swimsuit model thing. She was a bit – she was heavier.

People were saying she's obese but technically I don't think she's obese. I think she's overweight. But people are like this is being glorified and this is being looked at as beautiful and whatever. And as much as like I guess I understood what people were saying there. If you're not attracted to that, that doesn't necessarily change what you're attracted to. But some people were saying that it's encouraging women to believe that this is okay for you to look this way on the practical aspect of things, even if it's on a magazine cover or even if it's seen somewhat in media, I don't think it's encouraging that many women to be like, I'm okay being out of shape and overweight. I still think that there are still things that like, especially on social media and Instagram and all these things that are still making individuals want to look a certain

way. Yumi Nu was not the ideal. But on the male side of things, what do we see in terms like fitness influencers, superhero movies? We do have a lot of variance in terms of like what you see as success as a man. Like it's not always the jack shredded person, but there is a level of, I guess, fitness that you generally see put forward as this is the ideal for a man to look like.

And it seems like you might have to work out a lot to achieve that. Like you might even have to be like a fitness influencer. You might have to – I'm just saying from the appearance like of how in shape some people are. You're kind of outside or looking in. You're like, I can't figure that out. Like, I would, you're kind of thinking, like, I'm so far behind, I would literally probably not have, I wouldn't be able to have a job. But I also think that maybe people are sometimes just looking at it

as such a huge mountain to climb because maybe they haven't really explored that much fitness for themselves yet maybe they don't understand like a little bit can really go a long way i think a lot of times you're just thinking like that lifestyle that's not mine i don't have that and uh not only do i not have that but i can't even figure it out and then so maybe they missed the message of get sunlight go for a because they're like it's bullshit like you guys don't you guys don't have real jobs you sit around you podcast all day you pull each other's fingers and you go rub your butts on some stuff in the gym and you do a set of curls and then you're out not too far from the truth

and uh and also like we're really blessed like Like, we got free meat from our sponsor, Piedmontese. Like, there's a lot of cool things that have made things more convenient for us, but we all have had beginnings. How long have we been in shape? Like, let's think about this, though. How long have we been in shape before any of this came along? Right. Long-ass time. Yeah.

This is all fairly new. Mm-hmm. Like, okay, when you were powerlifting, you were heavier, but you were heavier for the sport. But even before that, when you were doing things with wrestling, et cetera, you had habits that allowed you to be in shape. You know what I mean? Figured it out. Exactly. with that lifestyle now. But the habits, no matter who you are, the habits we talk about can still be applied for you to get into the best shape you can get into.

Let's talk a little bit about attractiveness versus like healthy, right? Because there are two like, there's a major, there's a pretty big divide there. And then there's a lot of places where the two things are intertwined and overlap a lot. Attractiveness, the model that we saw on the cover of sports illustrated um i think maybe half the people that would look at her and see multiple images of her maybe half or maybe a little bit more would think

she's fairly attractive maybe for some people it's not their flavor and they're like – And that is subjective. Yeah, that is – What an individual finds attractive. It's subjective. It's subjective probably to like a point and then it starts to be a little bit more of all the things that we've seen over the years and just the things that we're attracted to. Like it sometimes is agreeable as well, right? So somebody like The Rock, like is there anybody that finds The Rock unattractive? Maybe, but I think most people find him

to be very attractive, right? Or Chris Hemsworth or some of these other famous actors and actresses. So there's like, there's definitely an agreeable common ground. But that's unrelated to health in some ways. Like the girl that was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, is she more unhealthy than a bikini IFBB pro figure female who may be utilizing thyroid medication,

clenbuterol, maybe doing some things to get into that shape that aren't maybe healthy practices, maybe doing things, maybe training to an extent that's like maybe a little overdone and maybe compromising sleep because of the anxiety and some of the things that happen when your calories are really plummeting. So I just find it all really interesting. And again, taking that same bikini model, some people might be like, hey, when they're on stage, I don't like that. I don't like that look. Yeah, many people don't. Yeah, and again, that's a subjective view, right? Like you're entitled to your opinion.

But then health-wise, like just because you have body fat on you does not mean you're unhealthy. I don't know. I believe that from information that I've heard and some of the things I've seen over the years that it's going to sound like a funny term, but there's something called a maximum fat threshold. Each person has it, and until they start to kind of fill out some of their body and the fat cells and stuff like that, then it starts to become more problematic because it starts to just show up in like your liver and stuff like that, and that's not anything that you want to have happen. But that doesn't happen from being 10 pounds overweight. Where does it happen? I don't know.

We know that women can have higher body fat percentages. They naturally have higher body fat percentages. Probably, is it maybe 6% more or something like that? A woman? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably, is it maybe 6% more or something like that? A woman? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like for, I think technically for a woman to be obese, it's being around 33 or 34% body fat. And for a man, it's around 25% body fat. So, yeah, like a woman is technically lean at like 20%, 19, 20% body fat. Whereas for a man, like you're, you're not, you're not obese or anything, but you can definitely, can definitely tell you have some body fat on you. And this show, we talk about, you know, some of these things, um, but we're all in agreement that we want to just, all I want to see from people is I would like for people to open up their eyes and recognize that they can do better. Yes.

Everybody can do better. Everybody can do better. Everybody can make an effort and do better on just about any, and I include myself, anybody can work towards being better in just about any category. So whether it's a Sports Illustrated model or whether it's somebody in fitness who's taken it way too far or whether it's Bert Kreischer, who we were talking about recently on a podcast. Can he reduce the size of his belly? Can he have that come down a little bit and still enjoy some drinks? I believe so.

I believe so too. And that's an odd thing about, I guess, what we were seeing from what people are saying about that. Because they're like, there's no way this person can be healthy no like she actually can like she's people kept saying she's obese but an individual can be overweight still have healthy habits still go do things and live a healthy lifestyle and that's what we're talking about here but on the on the guy's side of things like i i really i'm trying to even understand the way that I looked at my body as I was getting older and my aspirations because like when you see superheroes, when you see cartoons and I was a fucking nerd. So those are the things that I paid attention to. And that's Chris Hemsworth as Thor.

Damn. You know, guys were. Put the camera a little lower, Andrew. I can't. Oh, fuck. I mean mean we can just get closer i think yeah oh yeah oh hey he's jacked man like he looks fucking good looks incredible but you know a lot of uh some guys are like um let's talk about how the how men's body issues affect them when i was a kid and i was wanting to get in better shape and i was wanting to gain muscle

like the images that were put in front of me were these crazy comic book whatever characters that were big and jacked. And then I lifted and I was able to get big. But I do see there's a problem that each individual can't necessarily compare themselves to somebody else. compare themselves to somebody else. Like when I get DMs from certain people saying, man, you're, I want to have a body like yours in the back of my mind. I'm like, that's cool, but that's also dangerous because as much as you know, you, you may be lifting and you have this different, different types of influencers that you're like, I want to have a body like them, or I want to be as shredded as them. You got to detach yourself from that specific goal. You can't become too connected to that because again, we all have different capacities. We all have different genetics. We all can get

to a certain size, right? So you attaining your best health might not look like somebody else. It might look better or it might look not as big or i don't want to use the word but it might look worse but the thing is it's like i don't necessarily see like the i guess for men there never there never seems to be like overweight or or i guess the the image of man because like, for example, the sexiest man alive magazine, right on, on people,

Paul Rudd's been on there. He wasn't extremely big or jacked or anything, but he's been on there. There've been a few people on there that Pierce Brosnan or whatever, like they've been attractive type dudes, but they weren't big, muscular and jacked for the, from the body image side of things. If you're a guy that's looking to be muscular or looking to be bigger, it's partially because

you're seeking it out. Because I don't think in mainstream media, it's something that is shoved in people's faces. Whereas for women, because again, in terms of how men look at women for – as far as their attractiveness, men are super – like we are hyper-visually stimulated. I think there is a bigger – there has always been a bigger push in terms of the way women looks versus what a woman can do. For men, there has been – always been a push of what are your abilities? What do you bring to the marketplace? What do you bring to the marketplace? What do you bring to the world? How can you affect people around? Like what are your skills?

There's the look thing, but it's always been like you're impressive because of what you can do, not only because of what you look like. Whereas for women, it's been something of you're sexy, so you're good. That seems to be the thing and even being sexy uh might just be like the face they were born with like they may have been kind of born that way and then maybe they just keep it together and they don't eat they don't overeat and maybe they don't even train i mean we've seen that too so like the sports illustrated models that have been celebrated some of them are like even just completely untrained. While this woman may have had extra body fat on her, there's some women that have probably been on the cover before and it's Sports Illustrated.

And I think, again, back to Jordan Peterson kind of saying that she's unathletic, that's yet to be determined. I have no idea of her athletic history and I don't think Jordan Peterson has any idea either. And then is she unhealthy? Well, what would be unhealthy? Like how can we view her health? Get some blood work done? I would be completely blown away if that woman got blood work done, comprehensive blood work done, and she was like, holy shit. Like you're in a really bad spot. Your blood is thick. And she was like, holy shit, like you're, you're in a

really bad spot. Your blood is thick, your cholesterol is through the roof, your triglycerides are way off. Now, does she have something that might be slightly off? I think if you pull blood from just about anybody and you run extensive tests on them, you're going to find, uh, some areas where their body reacted in particular ways to the lifestyle that they've had. But she's probably not unhealthy. And going back to kind of what you're – the main driver of what we're talking about here, focusing in a little bit more on from the man's side of it and how men feel in their own bodies versus what is seen and portrayed out there. I'm a kid of the 80s, so saw uh hulk hogan and i saw you

remember the beginning of bigger stronger faster there's uh a lot of content in there showing um arnold schwarzenegger when he was in uh predator and in in those movies where he's like blowing shit up commando and he's just jacked as fuck and every movie always has a really good shot of like his arms or him with his shirt off obviously because he's Arnold and looks incredible uh Sylvester Stallone um the shape I mean we should just bring this up the the conditioning of Sylvester Stallone and Ivan Drago will never be matched ever again in movie history it was fucking insane how shredded they were they looked unbelievable they had fucking striations and their serratus muscles what

was the name of the black guy because he i remember mr t no no no the other one apollo oh apollo was incredible he was in crazy yeah well he used to be a linebacker for the uh he was a linebacker for the um uh for the Raiders back in the day. You know, but oddly enough, looking back at this right here, I don't know how tall Ivan Drago is or his real name, Dolph Lundgren. But he doesn't seem that he's particularly heavy. Like I would assume he's like 190. Probably. And Stallone is not very tall.

I think he's 5'7", 5'8". And they made him out to be a heavyweight, and when he got really shredded, he might have been 175 or something like that. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, these guys got in tremendous shape, and this is what I saw when I was young, and this is kind of what I wanted to be. I wanted to be strong. I wanted to be strong.

I wanted to have muscle. But to your point of people nowadays having to go out of their way, I think you really hit the nail on the head because like this used to be what I would see all the time. Yeah. And there are action movies with these jacked characters that we're talking about and there are people around like The Rock. So there still is a representation of this. But when i hear my wife talk and when i hear her girlfriends and

stuff when they get together and they talk and they uh say certain things about men it's very damaging to my ego and i should probably go see a therapist but when they start talking about these men that they find handsome or attractive yeah the muscle mass thing is not at the forefront i mean my wife is attracted to people with more muscle um but especially from her friends like that's not a thing uh for them um if you can bring up uh see if you can find eric the vampire i don't know what his real name is but he was the vampire on uh the show true blood okay and uh you know there's Okay. And then there's lead singers

of some certain... I was just thinking about that. Harry Styles. Or the guy that unfortunately passed away from Foo Fighters, the drummer. Oh, I don't know him. Yeah, that guy was like... Girls would go nuts over the guy. And that's not... I mean, it's not that he's not

muscular. He's not big. He's just not, he's not big. He's probably fairly tall, you know? And I don't, I don't think women are looking for a guy to be like yoked. You're right. Because like you think about like how many. Like we like traps and forearms and chicks don't like that. Yeah. No, real talk.

Like women aren't like when men are super big or super jacked. It's not the big thing. because you think of like Twilight. You know how many girls were going crazy over Edward? I think most girls actually liked Edward versus Jacob. And he was just a skinny pale white dude with a great face. Is that Batman? Yeah, that's Batman. That's – what's his name?

Doesn't matter. Yeah, that doesn't matter. But either way. Something Patrickson or something. Is that right? No. I forgot his name. I'm sorry.

That's what I. Yeah. Project family. How's it going now? We like to look good in the gym and out of the gym. That's why you always see Mark and I and Andrew is stepping up on the short, short game. Wearing shorts from the Ori and clothes from Viore. And honestly, the number one compliment that I've seen that I've gotten

and even Mark's gotten is, damn, your butt looks good. And that's because, well, the clothes we wear make our booties look delicious. Andrew, how can they get it? Yeah, you guys both have pretty big wagons. You guys can head over to Viore.com slash Power Project. big wagons uh you guys can head over to viore.com slash power project that's v-u-o-r-i.com slash power project to receive 20 off the most amazing apparel that looks so good inside and outside it's gonna make your ass look fat and your ass will look fat links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes uh god damn it that's was a good one. That was a good one.

Make your ass look fat. But I think Huberman had somebody on his show and they talked specifically, I actually wanted to listen to more of the show and I totally forgot about it. But they talked about attractiveness and they talked about like, they had an expert on who studies this stuff and he said one of the most attractive things for some

females is the shoulder to hip ratio yes which is an interesting thing so like they are looking for you to you know have some muscle on you but i don't think they really care about like 19 inch biceps 20 inch neck you know those kinds of things that of things. But what you're saying there is actually a very interesting point because when a lot of these guys are talking about unrealistic expectations of gaining muscle or men or whatever, these are things that we're putting on ourselves as guys. Like from what I've seen with women, the bodies that we have are not like, this isn't the bodies that all these girls are going out and looking for. Truly, like we might be jacked and big or whatever, but it's not like because of this, we are put so much more above other dudes. The thing that puts men above other men truly is how successful they are. That's a real thing because I have a few friends that are pretty young and we talk and

some of their relationship issues have come down to the fact that you're just young and you haven't hit because something like the dudes are in shape, they're great looking, but some of the common problems they have is that they're young and they haven't hit their stride in terms of their career. So some of the issues that they're having in relationships or whatever are just by the fact that you are not where you need to be yet for a woman to be like, that's the guy. Right. And you might have all the looks and everything, but we're not looked at for that. We're not looked at purely for our physicality and the way we look it may add a lot to what we do being in shape and being healthy but it's not the it's not the primary thing whereas for women you are put way ahead of

the game primarily for your looks and that's why i think the media aspect of what we see as attractive for women is so much rougher on women than it is on men i'm not saying it doesn't affect men at all don't get me wrong because some guy's gonna be like you know what about men it's not as rough on men you know does it go the opposite way for so like i'm talking about like a dude like imagine a young john cena right like a chick might see him and be like that guy's useless all he does is spend time in the gym probably has no job he doesn't care about anything other than his body but for like a chick i don't think we think that like i can't imagine it going the opposite if a girl's like way too hot or it's like oh well i mean i guess

like we might think like oh she's either stuck up or she's like ditzy or something like that right but i think dudes usually just look around that or get around that somehow, right? What do you think? There's some thoughts that came to my head, but this is all personal preference and shit. So go for it. I do think that the way that anybody looks can have a huge influence on the things that you choose. And I think there are some people, when they're very good looking, they might not explore. some people when they're very good looking they might not explore uh sometimes when somebody is super short they'll pursue the gym because they want to feel bigger right um i think sometimes people don't really explore their brain and really push into it when they're super good looking

i'm not saying it's always the case but it's like if you didn't have to if things were given to you I mean just imagine from the time you're you ever see a picture you ever see a

picture of a girl who's really really pretty from when they're like four years old or something, you're like, damn, you were always super cute, like from the time you were little. So imagine the family's always talking about how cute you are, then you get to be 14 and people are talking about how beautiful

you look and now you got makeup on and like there's a whole thing to it. And I just think the way that we look, the body that we're in, it really, it really shapes us. Imagine you're, you know, seven and someone's like, you should be in like a talent show. Like you look great. Like you would, and maybe the, the, the chubby kid was never told that before. And so it, it definitely, you know, the, the heavier boy, he might, somebody might say,

you should play football. You know, you football. You're a big kid, right? He's going to be encouraged to go a different route. And the kid that's unathletic, he's going to be like, man, I don't fit in with half the stuff my friends do. So I'm just going to sit here and read my fucking Harry Potter book. And they're going to develop a side of their brain that maybe other kids aren't working on at that time. Dude, you know, okay, I hate using the word, but like there are all these different types of privilege that you have in the world.

There is the privilege of having money or like, you know, if you were born with money or, you know, you make more money, there are things you're able to have a privilege with there. There is a privilege of being in shape because people will look at you differently if you are if you look physically in shape but pretty pretty privilege is a fucking thing you know and there's the damaging aspect of it if a if a person is really young and people can see that they're so good looking and they're always getting complimented and they're saying oh you should do this then you immediately have

this thing that well my worth is attached to the way I look. So that is the thing that I need to put the most effort into all the time. And you, as an adult, that can be very damaging for some people because it's like, if number one, I knew somebody, and I've heard this before, but I knew somebody who I knew because they were so good looking. People didn't tell them. Like they were kind of living in a little bit of a bubble. Like people didn't tell them the truth all the time because they're like, you're so hot. I'm going to let you get away with that. Right?

Like, you're so hot. I'm going to let you get away with that. Right? And I was just like, wow, I see how that affects you because you don't even realize how like off you are with a lot of these things. You've just been so fucking pretty that you've been able to get away with a lot of shit. Right? So that's a bad thing in a way. And it's not that person's fault.

It's not that person's fault. It's literally the way they've been able to go through life, which, hey, it's a blessing, but it can also be a fucking curse. Yeah, like a hot chick could go to a gas station. They could pump gas, and they can go inside and be like, I didn't have money for it or whatever. They can end up in a situation like that, and they would be like, yeah, probably didn't worry about it. It's not a big deal. But if it happened to us, they'd be like, what the fuck? It happens to once in a while dog okay you know what though i mean my girl me and my girl were having this

conversation because like what we noticed and we were like hmm it seems that people who like let's say that because you you mentioned like you kind of have to have kind of a personality when you're not good looking the fat the fat comedian right yeah right but people who like let's say they didn't have pretty privilege this is a rough convo what they didn't have pretty privilege when they were younger and people weren't always like you know just giving it to them because they were so good looking right they have to got to develop something up here but if you glow up later you have a personality and you're good looking so is it my in my son's best interest if i just keep him like ugly yo yo do not compliment that boy's looks it's gonna be hard because everybody talks about it yeah i was a big-headed ugly kid man everyone can say oh you big-ass head i was always made fun of for my fucking head because

it was fucking huge right so i you grew into it i grew into it luckily but like look at this kid he's got a big pumpkin head my coaches would make fun of me for it my cousins would make fun of me for it i was always that big old kid with a big ass head and girls would say it too something i think is important is that you mentioned that your mother wouldn't tell you that you're smart but your mother i would imagine probably has told you that she's proud of you she's told me that she's proud of me but for certain things that you actually like followed through on. Right. The things that I did. That's the thing. Like we were talking about how like men are rewarded truly in society for what they do. My mom always rewarded me for if I worked hard at something or she saw that I did really well at something. She's like, good job. You did this. Like she never said she never told me I was talented at anything or told me. Like she never said – she never told me I was talented at anything or told me – and this is the funny thing because in that book Mindset by Carol Dweck, she warns against parents telling kids that they're talented or they're gifted or just – or putting that behind them because if they're – when they don't end up being talented or gifted at something as an adult, they're going to quit. My mom didn't know that shit but she just for some reason knew not to compliment things that weren't under the like my effort. So that, you know, I was never complimenting on things like that, which I think made it so that I personally, when I look at somebody, even a woman or my girlfriend, like the things that I'm really in awe about are, whoa, you good job.

Like she's in really good shape. Right. But that shit took work. Right. And a lot of the things she's doing and has done is take work. And I find that super attractive because I'm like, you aren't given that you weren't gifted that you worked at that, you know? Um, and for men, that's, that's our primary thing, you know, for, for, I guess what people look like, look at it for our worth. It's what we do, you know? And for, I guess, what people look at for our worth. It's what we do. And I don't necessarily think that's a – it is a burden, the male burden. But I think it's a good – overall, it's a good thing.

I'm – amongst men, i'm attracted to it like when i have a friend that can do all kinds of shit yeah uh you know i'll be telling my wife about this person and my wife's like you're gonna have a relationship with this person what's going on i'm like they can fish they can hunt they can like they know how to survive in the fucking wilderness and like he can protect me he can mow the lawn like he knows how to do all these things i know where to go if the world ends it's an it's an it's an interesting it's just an interesting thing when you like you know people like that. But I think that there's a lot of hope for men because you can just – you can simply just work on yourself and you don't have to necessarily turn into this perfect body type of thing to be able to be attractive. But that's the thing.

I think when some men look at that, they're like, Oh, we have this thing that we have to go through that woman don't. But woman, because of the male female dynamic, that's, they have their own burden. You know, they have their own troubles that men will not have to deal with. Sure. You might have to, woman can go through life and having sex is a much easier thing for women. They don't have to hunt for it. It's like you'll have a line of dudes that want to get down, right? So that's not an issue.

And for a lot of men, that is an issue. But when it comes to, let's say you want to have a career, you want to have a job, or you want to be successful in that way, there is an aspect where many men just don't care like that, that it's not that you shouldn't or women shouldn't go for those things. They should, but it is a somewhat of a, there is a weird double standard where a lot of, uh, there's this podcast that my girl listens to and there are these two really successful female comedians and they talk about how like a lot of women are less attractive to men because of how much more success they have because many a times that is threatening to men in a way. You know, they're like, well, I don't want somebody else that's like working as hard as me. I wear the pants. Yeah.

I wear the pants. that isn't put up for women. Your work you do for a lot of men, it's not the highlight of you, which is unfortunate. Because for men, if you become successful at whatever you do, boom, that's good for you, right? But for women, it's not always, and it's sad, it's unfortunate,

but it's not always the thing that puts you a level up against somebody else. Some girl could be doing nothing, nothing. She could work at fucking McDonaldcdonald's but she's cute yeah right and that is that in and of itself think about how much we put on the looks of women and it's i'm not saying it's a bad thing it's necessary it's it's that we're biologically wired for that shit but that's why that body image shit is worse for them yeah and and for dudes like being vocal about it now it's all new like all of this shit is new yeah like um i don't know what the the percentage of of americans being obese but like that's new so like if you go back to like the first Batman, it's like, dude, I'm pretty sure I'm more jacked than that guy.

Oh, yeah. But like Michael Keaton, right? No, no, no. The one with the shark spray. Oh, like really old. Like Robert West or whatever. Yeah. Who knows?

I think it is. Yeah. West. Yeah, you're right. But like every every dude didn't have to try really hard to look like that. Like there wasn't really an issue but now it's like as dudes are getting thicker you know there's like oh i can't look like that guy so i'm not even gonna try instead i'm gonna just talk about like how it's unfair that that's the

person that we put on the pedestal because i can't be that way like i'm gonna complain about it instead of trying to do something about it because it's all new like this is all like a whole different world than it was whatever when batman was kind of out of shape even 007 the the og 007 who he kind of um but he was like he's like one of the world's like sexiest men at the time and shit um sean connor sean connor sean connor is one of them but wasn't there one before him uh maybe let's well let me look at how people are getting so mad probably right now i do not know this oh man but yeah it's it's i don't know i again i just think like when it comes to this body stuff that's why on the show like okay we're big but we also talk about health

healthy habits become the healthiest person that you can be. And that's, we all each have different genetics for what that looks like. That doesn't mean that there is one that's the best, but we can all attain that man or woman. And also the odds of you being able to get a female are going to increase when you get yourself in better shape. That's so funny, get a female. Yeah, get a mate or a partner. Damn, there's a lot of them. You'll be able to be more attractive the more attractive that you make yourself,

the more that you work on that aspect of if you're currently a heavier person, working on losing body fat is going to help tremendously. So while we're kind of saying all this, how you can still be attractive without losing weight, especially if you gained a lot of weight, like if you've always been a little bit big, I think that that carries a little differently. And I'm not talking about like being like obese because I think that that's something people should always address because I just think like not being healthy is just not a great way to go around. And I think it would be more attractive if you were able to work on fixing that. But for people that grow up a little bit bigger and they grow up a little bit thicker, I think their mindset is a little different. And I think that, uh, for somebody who's, um,

for somebody who's bigger, you know, to simply just work on losing a little bit of weight or working on just like the habit of overeating, I think it could have some really, really huge benefits. And then the stuff that we talk about on the show, like walking. I know I have some friends and people that are close to me that they don't really work out. They don't really do much, but they still look good. And they're older, but like, yeah, they exercise, but not much exercise. They just simply don't overeat. But for a lot of us, we like to eat. So if you like to eat, you're going to have to probably put out a little bit more in the exercise realm. You know, I saw somebody talk. I told you guys.

I sent this podcast to you. There's this podcast called – let me find it real quick. Vince maybe? No, no. It was with this blonde girl and – Oh, I remember seeing that. All right. One second. Vince, maybe? No, no. It was with this blonde girl. Oh, I remember seeing that. All right, one second. Oh, yeah.

Call her daddy. Call her daddy, okay? Now, I don't listen to this podcast, but I saw this post of this girl who was talking about this girl that posted this. She is obese. But she was talking about how this episode from call her daddy called cancel diet culture featuring susan hyatt um i think that you guys should maybe go take a listen to it because there were some things in there that i was like interesting but when when this woman was talking about diet culture it's like it seems to be that there is a big like there's there's a swing

in thin diet culture that's very unhealthy. You know what I mean? Like people doing these 90-day transformation plans and like people losing drastic amounts of weight in a very short amount of time, doing things that aren't very healthy, not building in healthy habits. I want to actually first talk about the things that I thought were really good from this episode of this podcast. I want to actually first talk about the things that I thought were really good from this episode of this podcast. This one was talking a lot about like having people focus on habits rather than having them focus on like the weight loss in a week or rather than having them focus on the scale. Good, healthy habits. But she started talking about how the diet culture is a arm of the patriarchy. I'm like, oh, whoa, wait.

We were going – we were doing pretty good. We were talking about habits. Now diet culture is a product of the patriarchy. I'm like, oh, whoa, wait. We were doing pretty good. We were talking about habits. Now diet culture is a product of the patriarchy. And it's all because of the male gaze. And it started getting very, just very weird. But the thing I think about that is like, we shouldn't, even people were saying that we shouldn't be okay with that Sports Illustrated cover because we're thinking it's okay to be overweight. Ah, okay.

Listen, some people are going to be overweight and can be overweight and can be healthy. That's okay. We're not trying to talk and say that being obese is okay because that's not good. It's unhealthy and we're not for that. But you can have some body fat on you and still be a healthy individual. We're not for that. But you can have some body fat on you and still be a healthy individual. You don't have to be – there's not one look or one body for this is what health looks like. But we also should be mindful about how much we fucking eat.

Like we shouldn't glorify just pure pleasure all the time. People eat way too much. Because exactly. Pure pleasure all the time. People eat way too much. Because exactly. In this podcast, this woman was talking about and she was saying things like, you know, we shouldn't be we shouldn't like let our life pleasure go down because we're trying to be a certain size and look a certain way. Like, OK, no, we need a level of fucking self-control with our food. It's gone too far with how much people can eat because everything is so readily

available. Like diet culture, telling people to be careful and limit their food intake, that is not a bad thing because obviously we have a problem with how much people can eat here in the United States. But then it's just like there's this whole problem with within people that are anti-diet culture they think this idea of restriction is a bad thing because taken to the far end of things restriction can lead to people having eating disorders you know it can lead to people doing very unhealthy things to try to lose weight but restriction is necessary if you're going from being overweight or obese to trying to get to a healthier body. You have to restrict. You have to limit yourself in terms of all the pleasure you can have coming into your mouth.

So it's just swung too far in one direction and we're learning how to equalize it. Yeah, you'll have to be restrictive in some sense. Like you got to be restrictive of those habits that you ingrained and those tastes and flavors that you really like. Like you can't – it's hard to match up those flavors. Like they don't come from other stuff. Like fat and carbohydrates are not really found in anything other than milk. Maybe a little bit in like some nuts but they don't really have much carbohydrates. So fat and carbohydrates, it's really rare.

So things like ice cream, things like pizza, even sandwiches and stuff, if you have like mayonnaise on them or you have fatty meats and cheese and stuff, now you're getting in – or a burrito. You're just getting in the stuff that just has a mix in it that tastes really good, it's hyperpalatable. It's going to make it very hard for you to stop yourself. It kind of overrides the body, the brain's ability to recognize that you're full. Yeah.

And you're just going to overdo it on that. And how do you just gain some control over the foods that you eat? There's a lot of different strategies and a lot of different methods to do that. One of the methods that we talk about often on the show is to fast, utilize some fasting. Another method that we talk about is to look at your sleep. Is your sleep off? Because if your sleep is off, your hunger,

your cravings and stuff like that are going to go way up. And we also talk about eating protein. These are all things. My, my whole thing all the time always just goes back to, I don't care if you're idolizing Chris Hensworth or you're idolizing the rock or you're idolizing some of these people that look incredible and you think it's bad because they have an unobtainable body for you.

I, right for you. Right, for you, right? I think what you need to do is you need to just say, that's so sick that that guy is in shape like that. That's fucking awesome. I wonder if I can do better. And the answer is always fucking yes. You can do better. You can be better.

Can you look like that person? I don't know. What's going to happen if you try? A lot of good things might happen if you try. What if you were to, again, we've mentioned this before. What if you just adopted some of their habits? You know, what if you were like, oh shit, okay. He, he, he trains every day at 6am. All right. I wonder if I kind of set myself up, okay, I need eight hours of sleep. I'm going to go to bed at nine and dah, dah, dah, dah. And you start to set your life up a little bit like that. Oh, it says that

he eats three times a day and he mainly eats most of his calories later in the day. Oh, wow. That would actually work really good for me because I could eat, uh, before I go to work. And then when I come home, it can be party time and I can have like a double dinner and I can eat twice, get my eight hours of sleep. But you can start to just adopt some of these habits. But we're just always looking at the end result. We're not thinking about, hey, if I incorporate a lot of these habits, I can end up being like this. I just Googled what you had said about the diet culture being part of the patriarchy yeah oh um there's it's been said several times not just by her so i just thought that was interesting so

i don't know if she was what does that mean uh so just go ahead and see my i'll butcher it but go ahead well okay so diet culture being an arm of the patriarchy it's like overall the patriarchy is men in power, right? And men have power in a lot of different forms of media, government, et cetera. So it's more so high-powered men saying that women should look and be a certain way. Like this is a patriarchal standard is what they're trying to say. Like it's a standard that's imposed upon a woman by men that's what some of these people are trying to say now homies in the comments obviously these are select people who are saying this i don't think this is

necessarily general sentiment about diet culture but uh yeah i think that's bullshit like i mean okay if we're if we're kind of being, I guess, trying to think about, okay, how could that be true? Honestly, because, you know, people were trying to say Sports Illustrated has been a magazine about sports. The Swimsuit Edition, bro, like that was beat off material. That's all that shit was. yeah exactly let's not let's not fool ourselves to think this was about sports but in saying that it's like the the the individuals who you know i guess were in power at sports illustrated and in movies when hot chicks are portrayed it's it's dudes like there's an aspect of like what's being put forward as attractive it's what do uh what do us as men look at as

attractive well it's this general standard of like a in shape woman with big tits and a big ass like so if you think about it in that way it it hasn't necessarily been in a lot of media. It hasn't necessarily been women saying, how do we want to be portrayed? It has been men. So if you think about it and you just try to be a little bit even, you can understand that there's an aspect of this is what most men find attractive and go. All you ladies try and fucking catch up to this. Right. So I can kind of get it but overall

when we're trying to think of how can people become healthier men and women it doesn't make any fucking sense to be diet culture is part of the fucking patriarchy and this is all no it's not it's like no people just need to be fucking healthier yeah i don't i 100 get what you're saying but also like if you were to present two body types to a woman that's overweight one being overweight one being in shape which one would she wish or if you said which present two body types to a woman that's overweight, one being overweight, one being in shape, which one would you wish you could be? She's probably going to go for the one in shape. And so like some of these diets, I don't think it's a part of a big empire to, what is it, part of the patriarch or whatever the fuck it's called. Yeah, the patriarchy.

It's just like, oh, people want to learn how to get in shape. People want to learn how to lose weight. All right, here's the fucking ketogenic diet this is how you do it no i was gonna say to you like you're totally right because okay is even though like mostly in a lot of these sectors there have been more men in power women men can see this body as a man or this body as a man. What would I rather be, right? Men would probably choose a more healthy in shape one versus an out of shape unhealthy one. Women can see the same thing.

These are things that we can just see what is healthier and which one would we rather try to be or go towards. So even though they're saying this is a patriarchy thing, it's also partially a human thing. Like you were mentioning the Andrew Huberman interview where the guy was talking about waist to hip ratio. It's just something that you see an outline. You're like, that's good.

You see an outline of something else. You're like, that's not as good. Right? So it's rough because we're all fucking different. And there are aspects of you need – I do think that seeing different bodies in ads and in things is good because it helps people understand like we do come in different shapes and sizes. But we can also tell what is healthier or what we would rather want to trend towards. It is really interesting, you know, being in a free country,

that the voice of reason is often silent and silenced. You know, we can't even tell people that they're fat. Can't tell someone, hey, man, like, we've known each other for a while. I haven't seen you in a couple months, but like, put on some weight like you you can say that and some of us that maybe have people that we are really close to maybe we would find an even better way to try to mention it in whatever undamaging way that we felt that we can mention it but like, why does the conversation even have to be damaging? It shouldn't really have to be devastating. In other countries, they don't, when somebody gains weight, somebody's just like, you're getting fat.

Like, what happened? What are you doing? They'll just flat out say it. And I know it sounds crazy to say it here because of our culture and what we're used to. But in other countries, it's not wild just to say that to somebody. African cultures, you get that shit in your face. All African families. And it may or may not really hurt your feelings, but you may also just be like, yeah, like I have been doing – that makes sense.

I've been doing a bunch of things that are in line with weight gain. Like I haven't moved a lot. I don't work out anymore. I don't do this anymore. So it's interesting to hear somebody say that they feel like a message is only being delivered down from this patriarchy type of thing is an interesting thing because I wish in this country that we talked about it more. I wish that we just said it more. Talk about what? Male and female, but I wish we just talked about being fat and strategies to get away from being fat. I think being fat is immensely damaging. And again, I'm not talking about just having a couple pounds on you. I think what it does to our children and what it does to our families and what it does to people is way undersold. Like it's way more harmful than we have any idea. And I'm not talking about just your health in terms of is your blood work good? Because you can be heavy and have decent blood work, but for how how long can you be mentally healthy and be overweight

maybe can you be mentally healthy and be obese ask some obese people that you know ask some people that are really heavy and or just think about the people that you know in your life that are really heavy it's a fucking tough go of it and if you've never been there before you don't know what it feels like it can be really paralyzing. And that's why on our, that's why there's such a disconnect between what we share on this show and the message that we would love for somebody's uncle or for somebody's grandmother to hear or for somebody's brother or sister who's overweight. They won't even ever listen to this show because there's such a gap. There's such a disconnect.

But just imagine if somebody was like, oh, like people don't want to flip the channel. They don't want to switch the channel. They want the sad song playing when they're sad and they want to continue down that path. They don't want to put the happy song on when they're sad. They don't want to flip the channel. They want to kind of stay in what they're in. And it makes sense because they feel ashamed of it. But I think if we continue to bring it out into the forefront, there's nothing to be ashamed of about this. We have a culture where there is junk food fucking everywhere.

And we've been sold a lot of lies. Like a lot of it's our fault. Let's just go 50-50 of lies like a lot of it's our fault let's just go 50 50 on a lot of it's our fault um the little hearts that you see on the fucking honey nut cheerios and shit like that like all that stuff's bullshit like that stuff is denture is detrimental there's a lot of people that don't still don't know that that stuff's not great for you they don't know that it's very easy to overeat some of these foods. And they don't know that like, even on something like a thing of Cheetos,

it might say that it has fucking vitamin C in it. And they'll try to sell you on some sort of, you know, valuable thing that's coming from fucking Cheetos. And we should know better, right? So that we got to take our own responsibility. But you guys have been in this game for a long time as well you see how hard it is to unravel a lot of this stuff even when you get talking to somebody at a family gathering or something they're like yeah but isn't this doesn't this work isn't that

good for you like is isn't it not a good idea to like not be on too strict of a diet and it's like maybe but you're 40 pounds overweight like we gotta we gotta figure out something i just think that we don't understand how bad mental health is really wrecking this country um and in my opinion it's being wrecked from people just simply quite simply just being fatter than they need to be yeah unfortunately this this culture is not ready for the just direct talk, right? Right. Like you're 40 pounds overweight. It doesn't matter what diet you go on, just eat less.

You're going to hurt people's feelings because like, again, this culture, like when somebody's overweight, they get made fun of. You know, it's like, oh, weakness. Let me pounce on this weakness now. And then so when you are kind hearted and you do want to help somebody they don't see it that way even if you are trying to be as nice and kind as possible it's really that's man that's going to be really hard not to untie okay let me play devil's advocate on this a little bit do it um you know when we did the whole show the the you me knew thing and we're like okay she's on the cover so what you have different fucking options you don't choose that one we've talked about the fat acceptance thing where okay yo fat people exist they like they're they're out here wearing swimsuits they're out here doing whatever having activities like it's and if they if if people who

are overweight and people who are obese just literally don't want to get in shape even if there are some negative health outcomes and they – it's just – Yeah, they feel good about it. They feel fine about it, right? Like we have this mission on trying to help as many people that want to, want to, want to get healthier, get healthier. But if we – if someone's out know and they're obese or overweight and they have no interest are they wrong it's free it's america you can do whatever you want i mean it is great we have such access to so many things it's hard to starve right and if someone chooses just to go on the other end of things and there's no problem they feel that they don't have any type

of problem who are we to say like who are we to say oh that's that's uh you feel that they don't have any type of problem. Who are we to say? Like, who are we to say, oh, that's, that's, uh, you know, that, that shouldn't be okay. No, motherfucker is okay for them, right? It's not okay for us. And it's not okay for you, the individual who's looking at that person and saying, I would never want to do that. That's fine. We're focusing on the people that want it and the people that don't want it you do your thing here's why i would say it's not okay though is just the damage that it does to our health care system and the damage that like that's how you can smoke a cigarette but you can't do it in my house you know what i mean so there's things like that where i would love for peep anybody that has any problem at all in their life.

I don't care if it's your knee, your back, you get headaches, you feel like you're overweight. COVID. Anything that you have, I think if you work on getting healthier, it will help you to learn what your real problems are. what your real problems are. And I actually really firmly believe that if you kind of defat yourself, for most people, I think it will have a really positive outcome for a lot of folks.

I agree with you. And I do also, I'm in full agreement with you, like do whatever you want. You know, my mother was heavy her whole life, but I didn't love her any differently because she was heavy, you know. There's a lot of great people in this world didn't love her any differently because she was heavy. There's a lot of great people in this world that are heavy. They go through their life heavy.

But my mom also died younger than she probably should have. She should still be around. My kids should still be able to enjoy her. She should still be able to enjoy her grandkids. She should still be able to enjoy life. But not only did she die young, but she halfway died young. Like she died five or six. That's why when she did pass, it wasn't that difficult for me to really deal with it. Because I was like, I'm glad that she went because she was in a lot of pain. Every day was so hard for her. And the same thing was true with my brother, but he had more of a mental health issue.

and the same thing was true with my brother but he had a he had more of a mental health issue he had coping mechanism issues and when he died it was the same thing i was like oh my god like that's that's great that he's no longer like i would love for him to be here the family would love for him to be here my family would love for my mom to be here but uh they're no longer with us they made their particular choices they felt like they were stuck in those situations. Both the situations are the same to me. My brother killed himself and my mom killed herself in some way. They're very similar to each other. My mom felt like she couldn't get herself out of the situation that she got herself into.

mom felt like she couldn't get herself out of the situation that she got herself into. She did get into those situations through horrible circumstances that were out of her control when she was young. But ultimately, she could have probably made some different decisions when she was older. And maybe she literally couldn't. I don't know. I never walked in her shoes. So I don't know. I don't know what that feels like. But I think there's a lot of people that are trapped in these uh in similar situations where they feel addicted they feel they're too far on the other side yeah and man if you can figure out a way to go for that fucking walk or you can figure out a way to try this particular diet and you might have tried a bunch of them try some intermittent fasting try getting a little bit better sleep try eating more protein try eating some fruit try eating some vegetables just give it all a shot because it might be the thing that changes your life i'll say this because i was i

was doing a little bit of devil's advocate stuff there but i i mean i do agree with you man like i mean it it it's a problem but I do think if you're someone who's in this audience and you're in shape, you believe you're healthy and you're, you're, you know, you're doing good in that realm of things. If you want to try to help other people, you're a very compassionate person, Mark. Even the way you talk about this stuff, you keep in mind the individual who may be on the other side of things and you keep in mind where they are at this point in time. When I see certain comments from people talking about other people or commenting to other people who may not be in shape, I'm just like, okay, there could be an aspect of you where you're

just, you're just really mean and you're on the internet to this person. But there could be an aspect of like, you're not putting yourself in this other person's shoes. Like you're, you're really not trying to see where they are and what they're trying to fix and how maybe they might be struggling. And the way you communicate to them just makes those people think that fit people are assholes. Seriously. When I hear some like really in shape people talk about this shit, I'm just like, God damn, you're such a dick about this. Like I'm not surprised that they – I'm not surprised that some people think fit people are assholes, right? So what I want to – like what I'm getting at here is like if you want to help somebody, come at it from a side of like, hey, it's tough.

You're going through some stuff. How can I help? Like what's going on? Help me with what? Oh, right? That's a good one. That recipe you were struggling with, right? But like just in general, just understand that everyone's going through some shit, man.

And that might be a reason why an individual might be obese. But, you know, be compassionate about it. You're not going to be heard unless you like. That's the only way to go about doing it. Because if you're if you're mean or you're meaning to up front right off the bat, then they're not going to listen to you. Yeah. And a full agreement with the devil's advocate as well, I was just thinking like, and I don't want, I don't think anything should ever be taken away from anybody or something has to cost more because you're a certain something.

But like during the pandemic, one side said, if you don't get the thing, then you're not allowed to go to the hospital. It's like, oh, why is that? It's because you're going to clog up the hospitals and you're going to mess it up for everyone else yeah you can make the same shitty argument for obese right because it's like eventually you're going to end up here that's to some extent right mark you had said this like if you don't pay attention to your health you're going to be forced to have to take care of your health eventually um but no that's not the answer but i'm just saying like you could make the

argument like that, right? Like maybe, again, the slippery slope, like it gets really rocky and muddy down in there. But, yeah, I don't know what the answer is. The answer is share this with a friend so this podcast can reach more people. We can all help people get healthier. Yeah, and Discord, let us know where you guys sit on this, some of what we're talking about right here. Yeah. And some of the main topic of today, being a dude and trying to have to be overly jacked.

Yeah. Be like Goku. I thought you were going to Bo Jackson. Or Bo Jackson. He didn't even work out. He didn't even lift. How would they – who would win in a race? Bo is pretty fast.

I put my money on uh bow i mean i put my money on bow man is there i think if bow was in the dragon balls the universe he'd be faster than goku yeah he's a fucking god it's pretty fast on tecmo bowl unstoppable just keep hitting that uh a button People just bounce right off of them. Did you ever play Tecmo Bowl? No, I did not. Oh, man. What is Tecmo Bowl? It had like cut scenes and it was so good.

Dude. Nintendo. But Super Tecmo Bowl, it was better. And SEMA's got to play some Tecmo Bowl. Yeah. The curl pattern for the Giants couldn't stop it. I would. Mark Bavaro. Phil Simms and Mark Bavaro every time. yeah the uh curl pattern for the giants couldn't stop it i would mark bravaro phil sims and mark

bravaro every time so i remember i would go in and create not create but you just select like the custom plays the the flea flicker fucked everybody watching every time no i just saw something oh i was trying to look for something this popped up on my feed a helicopter carrying a heart for a transplant crashes they save the heart and then the doctor drops it oh my doctor is walking off with his heart and then he trips this wasn't just slips oh again i'm laughing at something else that happened somewhere off screen off screen oh my god that's so sad oh my god did they save the heart afterwards i don't know bro i would hope so like a water balloon does it pop they probably the parts probably fine it's just it's

funny that like the crashes and the doctor's like i'm gonna take this heart to this patient and then they just stumbleina yeah god damn it all right take us on out of here and thank you everybody for checking out today's episode oh a little bit too hard off the backboard um please drop us your comments down below let us know what you guys think about today's conversation and subscribe if you guys are not subscribed already. And yeah, and please follow the podcast at MB Power Project on Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter. My Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter is at IamAndrewZ. And Seema, with the shot, is it going to go in? Oh, it is windy in here. It was a little bit wide. Get on Discord, peeps.

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