Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 248 - Phone Call w/ 2019 Mr. Olympia Brandon Curry

Episode Date: September 16, 2019

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And what's that like, man, after all these years to finally win the olympia well you know it's it's it's kind of how it started uh started off you know you kind of dream to to accomplish uh such a thing and it's just it's just an overwhelming experience uh when actually you you're able to accomplish one of your your biggest goals of your career man it's just definitely overwhelming i don't really know i'm kind of in between consciousness right now uh reality and in this dream state right now uh jay cutler said it may take at least a week to hit me or so before i uh actually i'm able to uh take it all in the reality of it all in. What do you think the biggest difference is?

Like why this year? I think maybe the best few places like top five before, or you've been in the top six, seven, eight. How were you able to come out on top this year? Well, you know, it was kind of just like the – I knew when I got top five last year, you know, I had an automatic re-qualification. So me and my coach, we started to think about it as far as what was the goal for the 2019 season. So we kind of mapped it out.

If we come in and win the Arnold, then we'll set the stage for the Olympia and kind of create the hype and the motivation leading into that show to be, I guess you'd call it, one of the frontrunners. And I knew in my heart that I could beat Sean. So, you know, I kind of, once I solidified that opportunity at the Arnold and was able to get the win, I knew coming into the Olympia I'd be able to win. And quite honestly, you know, Sean, of course, wasn't in this event this year because of his situation. But, you know, quite honestly, you know, I just came in the Olympia with nothing but confidence when it came to being able to take this title. Was there anything specific with like diet or anything specific with a type of cardio or training that you were doing that was different than in the past? that you were doing that was different than in the past?

Well, I think right now, being 36 years old, my body is kind of in its prime. And we were able to just take advantage of that. My body from the Arnold prep was much different from the Olympia prep. So it was a much different preparation, even from those two contests, which are not that far apart. I just think the maturity process allowed me to put in more work, do more cardio, eat less calories, less carbohydrates, and still maintain a good standard of muscle mass to come in the way we needed.

So that process and the way my body was performing allowed me to just come into this show even more improved than the Arnold. So I was able to, to take the win because I think the judges noticed that over, over, over most of the other aspects of who's improving, who's actually getting better and show to show. You know, Brandon,

you've been competing for like 16 years now. And when a lot of athletes look at that, they wonder like, how are you able to, I guess, just maintain the fire from when you started, what allows you to do that well you know you know you kind of in life you have to find purpose in things to really to really have the motivation to go after them uh no matter what the circumstances is are and i feel like in 06 when i saw ronnie

coleman lose the title was was what I thought was impossible, Dustin Cutler, and he got defeated. And from that point on, it's like a purpose spark in me as far as what I wanted to accomplish in bodybuilding. I started taking it seriously. And once that impossible thing happened in my mind, I was thinking, okay, now I'm going after this. And despite, uh, despite any losses and anything that happened, I was able to, uh, I was able to stay focused on my mission no matter what, and, uh, continue to, uh, push and strive to be, uh,

the best I could be no matter what my circumstances are circumstances are. Because I felt like I had purpose in the sport. I felt like I could get to this mountaintop no matter what was happening. As long as I put in the work, as long as I was consistent as possible, I would eventually find the right formula to do it. What now? What now? Yeah. Well, first things first, back to normal life and join the family.

Right. Right now? Yeah. Well, first things first, back to normal life and join the family. Right. And then I'm doing some touring, of course, being an ambassador to the sport. And I'm scheduled already for post-Olympia. And then I'm trying to get a title for next year. So, you know, first things first, get back to the roots, get reprogrammed, readjusted to being a dad and a husband and back to work. Not a lot of people know this, but you've been a big supporter of my brand for many, many years. And you were a big supporter in the very beginning. And I can't tell you how much I appreciate it and then how proud I am of you to see you, you know, pull out this victory.

It's really cool and super motivating and inspiring to us over here at Super Training Gym. Well, I appreciate you guys' support as always, man. And you're doing big things, man. You're definitely a great motivator in my life to see the things that you're doing and accomplishing in the industry. And you guys keep it up, man. I wish you guys the best, okay?

Hey, good luck at your seminar today. Thank you so much for your time, champ. Take care. All right, brother. Thank you so much for your time. Champ. Take care. All right, brother. Thank you. Cool. Well,

that didn't suck. That didn't suck at all. Yeah. And I was live and everything too. That was crazy. We just got, we just got on the phone with the champ. That's that's.

So wait, when did, like, when was he doing stuff with you guys? I don't know, man. That guy's been on my dick for a long time. I'm like, yo, Brandon, just relax, man. No.

You know, I knew him through BSN, through my good friend Eric Hart, who now does stuff with Redcon and does stuff with Brian Shaw. And Brandon was just so like nice right off the bat you know he was uh he was just like hey yeah i'll it's like i'll i'll try some of the products out and then he was trying out the slingshot when a lot of other bodybuilders at the time were very resistant to it he was like shit i'll try it out he's like my shoulders are trashed you know so he tried it out and he was like yeah i used it on a hammer strength machine and i used it on this and he used on a bunch of stuff that i never even intended for it

to be uh used on and he's like it works great man he's like i wear it all the time and he's wearing like the wrist wraps and all different kinds of stuff and then we just lost touch over the last uh last few years um i haven't reached out to him. He hasn't reached out to me in a while. And I've been kind of following along and seeing, you know, where he's been, what he's been up to and seeing him, you know, make some progress. But to see him win the Olympia, I'll be totally honest, came out of left field for me because, first of all, I thought he was a little bit older because he's been in the sport for so long. first of all i thought he was a little bit older because he's been in the sport for so long yeah i think you mentioned like 17 years 16 yeah 16 years and so you know five to eight years ago um when i

was getting to know him you know i i probably figured maybe he was a lot more on the downside of his career but the last two three years have been really good for him and this year at the olympia he showed up like bigger than ever what's that about it's it's crazy i don't get like especially like him and then when you look at other guys i think the oldest guy that's competing is dexter jackson they just continue to to get better i think there's something about the way you said dexter's 49 49 what you know so he might come on dexter jackson let up on us and he got fifth. He got fourth or fifth. That's just absolutely crazy. So I do wonder about this win, though, because a lot of the internet's talking. And they're like, oh, he didn't beat Phil or something like that type of stuff.

So I wonder if he's thinking about that at all or if that weighs on his mind. But hey, he came in and he killed it. He's got to feel good about it. It's got to give him confidence uh you know for next year as well you know because those other guys probably will be there oh yeah and then also like let's say phil is there let's say uh brent rodent was there people are still going to complain about something though they're going to be like ah he wasn't as good as last year he brandon wouldn't have won last year like people suck so it doesn't matter yeah or the sports change you know and it's

like they they got an excuse for everything oh they want the guys to be smaller now or they he would have never won if it wasn't this way they're gonna always have an excuse just to throw in there the exciting thing is is that it kind of sounds like the the title is a little bit more up for grabs than it was years ago when you saw Ronnie Coleman take his crown and really hold on to it. And then Jay Cutler got four championships as well. And a lot of people are going back and forth. You had a long era with kind of Arnold or Lee Haney going back to Lee Haney and then Arnold and then Dorian Yates won it several times as well and it's like you know you had people kind of holding

the title and they couldn't be beaten and now it seems like I guess the last three Olympias there's been three different champions is that right it was Brandon Sean but I think the year before was Phil right yeah so that yeah three different ones over the last three years

and obviously phil had it for many years uh before that what he won six i think yeah right yeah so and it was interesting because i think it might have been jay cutler when he had mentioned on the podcast here that there was like 13 champions he's like you know he's like who knows i might not see another 13 by time you know my time is up and it's like, oh, actually, we might see the next 13 might be different. Who knows? That's true. It makes it, in my opinion, makes it way more exciting.

Even though watching someone like Phil just totally dominate, that's cool too. But, I mean, why does everybody hate the Patriots? You know what I mean? So how exciting is it when, oh, shit, who is going to win this year? Everybody hates the Patriots because they cheat. They deflate the ball, right? I mean? So how exciting is it when, oh, shit, who is going to win this year? Everybody hates the Patriots because they cheat. They deflate the ball. I mean, come on.

They cheat, they win, and then nobody cares. No, I know. I hate the Patriots because I'm a Jets fan. But I love the Patriots, honestly. I love watching greatness of any kind. I had an opportunity to um this is like totally unrelated but i had an opportunity to see um jerry seinfeld years ago i have i've had opportunity to see joe rogan like when you get to see a professional you know when i was a kid my dad

took me to a new york knicks game and they played the chicago bulls i got to see michael jordan i got to see charles barkley play at one point as well and you know seeing Patrick Ewing and Charles Barkley and Michael Jordan and just it doesn't matter what the high level is you know it could be high level anything and I'm gonna be well maybe not anything but I'm gonna be pretty pumped about it I'm gonna be pretty excited I got to see Bones Jones fight in person that was crazy I went down to la um and got to see him fight um about six or eight months ago okay yeah and that was just it was uh he fought alexander uh gusterson and he was just bones jones he was just dominant and it was amazing you know when you were watching greatness like that i've never uh watched a bodybuilding show like that before. So I've

never seen those guys perform that way, but I had opportunity to actually work out with Phil Heath. And luckily he was in a talking mode, so I didn't get stomped on too bad, but that was even cool because everything was different. Everything was a little bit different. Every movement had a different thing to it, a little different twist or different rules with rest periods for certain times of the year. I mean, he had like a little recipe for everything. It was amazing.

When working out with like Phil, because you talked about working out with Branch yesterday, do these guys tend to work out in similar fashions? Like, I mean, it's bodybuilding, but are they doing some of the same stuff, same ideas? Yeah, I mean, they're moving, you know know and even working out with us uh stan efferty um they're they're they're going like when it's time to go they're they're really going with phil it was a little bit more uh it was a little bit more lax because like i said we kind of got in a talking mode and we had a camera there and he was he was actually really gracious with i

was i was so shocked and and he was so gracious with his time. You know, you hear different things from people, right. And I, I heard, you know, bad things from people to be honest. And I had nothing but a great interaction with him. And maybe that's because we have similar friends and things like that. But yeah, he, he was talking a lot in between sets, but the intent is there. You know, these guys are there to get after it. Branch Warren, I think, maybe brought an intensity to bodybuilding that is probably fairly rare.

Yeah. And I think that's his mindset. And I think that that's something that he adopted and he just kept and he was like this is this is the way i'm always going to have to do it and he would kind of almost be like miserable and he would actually train with uh he trained a lot with dexter jackson they would train a lot together and uh they both had a kind of similar mindset just you got to go as hard as possible where phil Heath, I don't know.

I don't know what it's like when he's in full, you know, Olympia mode. I never trained with him for that. But just in my perspective of things and from what I know, it's like I think that Branch Warren was pretty rare. And maybe a Dorian Yates was pretty rare. And even like just different though, right? Like different intensities in different ways. Yeah. And you see that across the board in every sport.

I mean, we were talking the other day about how Michael Jordan punched one of his other players. We talked about how fiery and crazy Kobe Bryant was. And then there's also like Brett Favre, right? Brett Favre was great. But Brett Favre seemed like he would be like fun. It'd be fun to be on what seems like it, you know, just the perception of it seems like it'd be really fun to be on Brett Favre's team.

Like, uh, you might, uh, kick some ass and, and, and win some games and then, you know,

go out to a bar and get into a bar brawl or something. Yeah. I don't know. It just seems like a more relaxed thing. So each guy's got their own mentality to it, you know? Yeah. You know what I was thinking about that I think is kind of interesting? The sport of bodybuilding and I think the sport of powerlifting too. Like Phil right now is 39. Kai Green's 44. Like a lot of these guys and yeah, Jay Cutler's 46. And then even powerlifters, like you see a lot of like high level

power lifters that are like mid 30s late 30s 40s and still killing it whereas like basketball football um even like non-high contact sports these guys start reaching their peak around like 34 35 and then they just like they head out and they dwindle out which is why i think it's so cool because like anybody that you know you're in your 30s i'm not saying you're going to be an olympia champion right but you can still go in and like get stronger compete not really get that hurt and uh you know like do pretty well it's really not too late past your 30s i killed my dreams like you just did your first show what a year ago yeah right so like i think a lot of people especially when looking at this stuff when they get past the age of 30 you're like i can't pick up powerlifting or

i can't pick up bodybuilding but this is stuff you could do well into your 40s yeah powerlifting is a sport for the rest of us as louis simmons once put it he was like you know i'm not very coordinated in anything else this is like you know i know how to pick weights up off the ground and and squat them and bench press them he's like i don't know how to do anything else and it is it is a great sport because because of that reason same thing with bodybuilding yes it requires a lot of you it takes a lot of time to be able to build it up and there's a skill set to all of it but really um i haven't really i haven't come across people that can't do it. I've seen almost everybody I've ever dealt with has the ability to do like a leg extension or do an overhead press.

And there's different people have range of motion issues and some people have other issues that may prevent them from doing one thing to the next. But in general, everyone possesses the ability to get stronger. Everybody possesses the ability to have more muscle mass than they did yesterday. So it's a great sport for that reason. Like you said, in football, if you're 30 years old and you're a running back, they're trading your ass. You're on the chopping block.

What about Strongman? Because I heard Robert O. Burst, he was on Rogan, and he was saying that Strongman, by the time they're 34, 36 age, that's when they're really starting to peak. Do you think that's about accurate? Yeah, I think so. You've seen the same thing in strength sports in general, like in powerlifting. i would say maybe where you don't see it as much as maybe in olympic lifting and yeah you actually typically now like i keep in mind i haven't been to a lot of olympic lifting events and i know that there's probably masters who are going to be like no man i can still do it um but in general you don't usually see people getting into the sport older.

Like somebody is not 45 and then they get off the couch and they start Olympic lifting, although I'm sure it's happened in the history of the world. But it's rare and it's usually not a sport where you see people getting really strong later on. And the Olympians and the Olympic athletes are probably between the ages of like 22 and 32 because you have to have like mobility and explosiveness and otherwise what about jujitsu yeah you know what that that's that's true like with jujitsu there's a guy that gave me hope his name is charles cabrinha yeah he's got into it like at an older age you know compared to these guys are doing it from the time they're three, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Charles Cabrania, he actually owns, I think, quite a few schools down in L.A.

He's won Worlds, like, and this isn't Masters Worlds. I think he's won Worlds three times, two to three times. And then he's won Masters Worlds a bunch of times, like past 30. But, yeah, he started when he was like either 22 or 23 i think he got his black belt in four or five years or something like that or four to six years um and yeah he just he attacked worlds and he won it so and and the cool thing is like his martial arts experience before wasn't any grappling either i think he did like maybe some capoeira which is a brazilian martial art i don't know if you've ever seen it before. But there's a lot of kicking, flowing.

If you know Andrew Tekken, Eddie from Tekken. Yeah, of course. That's why I like that character. Yeah, I like Eddie too. It's like dancing, break dancing type. It's like a dancing type of martial art. But he started when he was in his 20s, and he ended up just killing it. Now he's super well-known as a teacher and as a competitor.

How old is your instructor? Casio. Casio, Casio. I think he's like- He-known as a teacher and as a competitor. How old is your instructor? Casio. Casio, Casio. I think he's like – He's probably 30-something. Nah, he's in his 40s for sure. Oh, okay. I hope I'm right because if I'm not, that sucks.

But I think he's in his early 40s, maybe 43, 44. Yeah. That's what I'd assume. And he's still competing at a really high level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's still competing because the thing is like even when people compete in the Masters, a lot of the guys in the Masters have been either former Masters world champs or former world champs. They just like you can start competing in the Masters after 30.

So, yeah, he actually went down in an age class, went down in a weight class, and, yeah, he smashed. Stan Efferding comes to mind when we're thinking about strength sports. You know, he came in to Stan has a, you know, had a, oh, wow. Yeah. These guys are. Yeah. It's a little bit like, I mean, you see this and there's a bunch of martial arts that are like this. I've seen. That's cool.

It's kind of like, yeah, a combination of break dancing. And so do they actually like in competition, do they make contact with each other or not really? I feel, you know, I don't know, but I feel like capoeira is more of an art, like an art of movement. And it's less so like it's less like, yeah, I think it's not like really intense Tai Chi. Yeah. Yeah. More so intense Tai Chi. Yeah, I think it's not. Like really intense Tai Chi. Yeah, yeah, more so intense Tai Chi.

But there's a big story in terms of how Capoeira started, in terms of the Brazilians over there and why they started picking it up. It was more of a, there was a lot of things going on like socially that made them pick that up. I don't know the exact story, but it's deep. I could be wrong, but I believe it was because they weren't allowed to learn how to fight. Yeah. So instead they're like, no, we're dancing like these are dance moves you're right and that's why it looks like i mean that's why they are right now like they're you know they're it's a awesome dance but that's

essentially why like it came to be is because they weren't allowed to fight but instead they did this and got away with it yeah you're right you know i kind of hate seeing stuff like this because i'm like man like just how cool would it be if you learned that in school from the time you're five you know and you just kept and you just kept doing it because like some of the kicks they're doing with their legs i mean these guys are making it all look you know beautiful and flawless and they they're're, they're moving really, really well. But I'm sure that if you just continue doing it, you know, you, you could be maybe not on par with what these guys are pulling off,

but I'm sure you can move really well. And it's like, man, we don't really, I feel like we don't value movement enough. Yeah. It's like, why not? It's like, so it's so important. Like that would be, it'd be great to be able to kick your leg like that when you're 70, when you're 60. Those things are really important. I was saying Stan Efferding is somebody who got into the sport much later in life. He utilized powerlifting to get bigger.

He utilized powerlifting. He had a bunch of friends. He had a bunch of people telling him, look, man, you're killing yourself with training. You're a smaller guy. You need like more rest. You need to eat more food. And he was like, yeah, whatever. And he just continued to stay, you know, 160, 170, 180, an inch along with his weight gain. He wasn't really getting anywhere. And then he started to try to rest more, but he was like bored. He was like, I don't want to rest in between these sets for longer periods of time. And then he started to try to rest more but he was like bored he was gonna want to i don't want to rest in between these sets for longer periods of time and then he started to find uh that he liked

lifting heavy and because he was lifting heavy he recognized well you just kind of have to naturally rest in between the sets otherwise it gets to be difficult to keep pace with the weight that you're trying to lift and so he started to do. And so before he ever even got into like being a kind of full-time power lifter, he pulled like 810 pounds or something like that. So he was already very strong. He was already, that was in a competition. And he was also, at that point, he didn't do a full power meet. He just did a deadlift competition.

And he was more of like a bodybuilder. But he was probably around the same age i am right now when he started making like his run which is crazy because he was like it was like between 43 ish and 40 like seven yeah or maybe 46 or so it was like a three or four year run but he was already 40 plus and he was like you know coming in and not just you know not just doing well but breaking all-time world records i mean he he broke records it's it's cool to see now because the records get broken uh more frequently but stan was kind of the guy like uh brandon curry just mentioned to us how jay cutler made anything seem possible to everybody else stan efferding was that

guy because he was the first bodybuilder and everybody kind of recognized like oh he's not fat and then there was dan green who kind of followed right and other people got in shape and other i mean i myself was kind of floored by it not that i didn't know i mean i knew i just wanted to eat donuts but at the same time i was like man man, he's really strong and he's really lean. Like he's like next level strong. He's way stronger than I am. And I'm bigger and fatter than him. And I can't even come close.

So it made me rethink, you know, what I knew about training. But Stan also broke records that were sitting there for a really long time by legends of the sport. There was a guy named John Cuck who had records from 242 all the way up to super heavyweight that no one was touching forever. I mean, these records are sitting there and no one messed with them. The guy pulled 900 something pounds. The guy had a 20, I think like a 22-ish pound raw total. Like the year I was born, like 1976 or some shit. It was forever ago. And no one ever touched these records.

No one even came close to them. And then powerlifting was like on freeze for a while. Like those raw records were like frozen in time because they didn't have raw powerlifting for a while. Then, you know, the geared lifting kind of went through its phases and then people kind of got sick of that. And then they started bringing in raw power lifting and they started to actually have like a category for it. Wait, so raw power lifting had a category back in those days. It didn't. It didn't. So like what happened was, is there was raw, there was, there was lifting period. Right. And then, um, and I, I should know my history better than this, but like I don't know what year it was. Let's just say it was 1985. Right. 1985.

A guy named George Zangis made the Z suit, which was the first squat suit. I think the first thing ever made is a bench shirt. But the bench shirt didn't really take off. It didn't really get that popular. It didn't really do that much for you. shirt didn't really take off it didn't really get that popular it didn't really do that much for you but george zangas made this like really gnarly like canvasy thing that like would kind of rip you up when you wore it but it would help you squat more weight and he would just he's from california i believe he would take his squat suits and he would go to powerlifting meets and he would just like hand it out in like the warm-up room Wow. And people would be like, what's that? He's like, oh, it's a supportive suit.

And people were like, oh, cool. And they would just throw it on. And so like they never worn it before. They never tried it before. You know, you and I are in the warmup room and maybe like, you're like, sure, fuck it. I'll try it. And maybe I'm like, ah, it doesn't really fit me. Right.

I'm not going to mess with it. Yeah. I'm going to stick to the way I'm lifting, you know, but like, I wouldn't cry about it. Like if you lifted more on the platform, I'd just be like, oh shit, that thing worked. I'm going to use that in the next meet, you know? And so people just started to, uh, people just started to use it. And I don't think people were so worried about it helping you lift more because people were wrapping their knees and wearing belts and those things all helped you lift more. So I don't think anybody was really trying to make sense of it in terms of like, oh, well, that should maybe be a different category because it's all new, so nobody knew anything.

And then so the record started to kind of shift, and then I don't really know when the split between like raw and single ply and like some of these other things started to come about or started to come to be. But the gear got more sophisticated in the beginning. The gear was more like a slingshot. It was like you and I could both agree and say, it seemed like that was just supportive and it helped me lift, but it's not like giving me hundreds of pounds. So later John Inzer and some other people got into the game and they started making supportive gear that was really supportive. And then it kind of came a thing of like, well, that's not fair for you to wear that because I'm not where I'm only wearing knee wraps, you know.

But the sport, like I said, it kind of got frozen. There wasn't different categories. There was just there was just powerlifting. Like when I went to powerlifting meets as a kid, there were some people that wore stuff and some people that didn't, but there was no raw category. There wasn't even a geared category. It was just powerlifting. Like if you were benching, you were benching against everybody else.

And you could be, like I could be in like a teenage category or whatever, but I couldn't be in a specific category that represented like what I was wearing or whatever represented the gear that I was wearing or not wearing. And it wasn't until, I mean, it wasn't until around the time Stan kind of started to come around that the category started to be different. And one of the reasons why I, you know, went the route of the Southern Powerlifting Federation out here in California, which doesn't make any sense, was that was the only federation that allowed for raw, single ply, multi-ply. They just had a lot of different categories. And I thought, well, people should be able to just lift whatever

they want. Who cares what they wear? But I wanted people to get credit because in the other federations, they weren't recognizing raw. And I was like, well, that's dumb. Like if Dan Green comes to one of our meets at super training gym, you're going to tell me that he's going to do a 700 pound squat and it's just going to have to count against a guy that squatted 800 in a double ply suit. It doesn't make any sense. And so, you know, those categories started to get made and guys like Stan started coming in and kind of showing us all like, hey, man, this can be done differently than we thought. There's another there's another gear. We're just talking about going 40 percent. Maybe maybe Brandon Curry doesn't go 40 percent.

Yeah. You know, maybe he goes to 100 or maybe he just learned, you know, 60, 70, 80, 90 percent over the last three to five years. Yeah, I feel like it's like with Brandon Curry. It was all momentum because, again, last year he got fifth at Olympia. And I think I think the last time the year before that he got eighth and then six years before that, apparently he got eighth. So that that's what's kind of crazy to me, 2011 eighth place nothing until 2017 eighth place again then fifth place then first place so that's that's what i'm like what happened in that large span of time and how did he just keep going because if you get eighth in olympia and you don't even touch it for another six years it's just wild to

think how a competitor can keep that kind of thing going so that's pretty crazy in and of itself i think that you'll i think that you'll continue to chase things like you'll be in you'll be in uh jujitsu for a long time yeah and i think like in your head when you first start not first started but like when you kind of first told me like i have this goal to be a black belt in x amount of years um the goals probably expanded so much beyond that now you know oh i would love to be able to win worlds i'd love to be able to win pan am i love that whatever the competitions are and now it's like that's not it though like you win those and you're not like i'm never doing jujitsu again hanging hanging up the

gi maybe you'll do stuff you know without the gi or maybe you'll, maybe you'll move into like learning MMA. Like maybe you don't like fight, but maybe you just want to like learn more fighting stuff, you know, who knows where it take you, but you'll probably just continue to work towards these things. And if you were to come up short here and there and finish third and finish second and finish fifth and finish second and

finish fifth and finish third and second probably keep trucking along be like i've my goal is to be first i'm gonna keep going yeah and every year you do it and every year you level up to a different belt it's gonna be harder to win right definitely i mean yeah i just do love the sport and i guess brandon does too but you know the funny thing that I hear a lot from people and it's from people that are like in their thirties or in their forties, people are always like, Oh, it all goes downhill after you reach age 30. And I don't, I don't, that doesn't make sense to me. I'm just like, you know, if you stay healthy or if you pick up healthy habits, you do all these things, you shouldn't be feeling like you're 50 years old at 35.

Right. Right. Like. Right. So for so for me, I joke around about that all the time. But it's because for the past 10 years, I've been feeling like that already because my back was so jacked up. But even more so on top of that, it's, you know, my dad or my uncles, you know, that have had terrible habits their whole lives. They've lived that life too. So like where it comes from is like what I've seen. It's like, oh yeah, it's all downhill. Like, you know, I was joking with you, you're 27, like, oh man, it's almost all over. But we now have the knowledge and the, like the ability to make sure that that doesn't happen. Yeah. Like you're feeling much better now than you did 10 years ago, right?

Yeah, I told Mark like I think a year and a half ago, I'm like, dude, when I'm 40, I'll be in the best shape of my life. Yeah. And that's only because it's just gonna take that, like, well, even longer than that, right? Like I'll just get better and better. Whereas like my dad has,

he's already had open heart surgery and stuff, you know, it's like, I know I'm not going that way. I feel really good. I feel like I can like learn anything and I feel like I can try anything open heart surgery and stuff you know it's like i know i'm not going that way i feel uh i feel really good i feel like i can like learn anything and i feel like i can try anything i feel like i can do anything like within reason like there's just some things like um you know like jumping out of a helicopter or something like i just really you know i just i really don't care to do that you know but but i could and i and learn it. Right. And then if I went with somebody who was like, dude, like, well, I hope you don't, it really ain't that, you know, it's not bad. It's fairly safe. And dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

You know, like I shot a bunch of crazy guns, uh, this past weekend at the Olympia with, uh, John Bartolo. And it's not my thing, you know, really it's not, but like after doing it and being, it's just about exposure. So you get exposed to something and you're like, Oh, that's kind of cool. Like that's, that's possible. I could, I could do that. Yeah. I think, you know, back to this kind of mindset thing, I really, um, I really think it's a, it's a bad route. You know, I really do. I think it's a bad route for people to go to think like, Oh man, you know, it's all like to joke about it here and there. It's like kind of, it's kind of what we do in Seamus. Like, you know, comes in, he's all excited and he gets engaged or something. And we, you know, of course

we're going to shoot him down, right? Dude, what are you doing? You know, it's all downhill. We're going to like, we're going to mess with them, you know, but like in general, I don't think the mindset is, is healthy. And I don't think it's smart. Um, when you ask someone how, how, how are you doing, man? They're like, Oh, I'm hanging in there. You're like, what the, come on, man. Like, are you being serious? Like, you know, I go, I was like at the airport and the lady behind the counter is like, how's it going? I said, I'm doing great. And she's like, wow. She's like, I haven't heard that before. And like, my daughter was like kind of laughing and she's like that was weird because you said that all the time you know that she goes that lady was so shocked

yeah she's like it's normal to feel great right i said i feel great every day and so that's kind of normal to her because she sees me kind of uh saying it now like i might get off the couch and be like yeah you know i might get old guy you know moans and groans because you know a little sore and yeah yeah making all the noises and stuff but even those noises aren't great like are they really yeah are they necessary and sema talks a lot about you know making faces when you're lifting and i talk to people in here all the time don't come in here and make a face like you're smelling farts all day when you do your first set of squats like fucking relax dude like get yourself warm get yourself in a better mindset like that's not a good way that's not a good representation of

of how you're going to end up having a great workout that makes it feel good to kind of make these you know maybe when you get a lot of weight on there maybe you maybe your face changes a little bit but in general it's like you know let's send a message to your body like hey this is going to be cool this is something that we want to do and it's going to be healthy for us sometimes there just really is a lot of farts though oh well yeah that's really bad somebody might have crop dusted the whole place yeah uh we i had like 85 birthday parties to attend to yesterday. Made it to all of them very late. But of course, always last minute birthday gift shopping. And I just was passing through a bunch of like shirts and stuff like graphics and all like whatever.

And a lot of them were like, ugh, Monday. Or like, too tired, don't bother me. I was like, don't make these shirts. Like, holy shit. Like, is it really that bad yeah like and on top of that do you want to emphasize it by wearing it on your your body don't talk to me i haven't had my first cup of coffee yeah that that type of i'm like okay like i get it now right like that's i guess we're gonna keep going that way we're not gonna try to stop it right here and be like, Nope, not wearing that shirt. That's the thing. Like these ideas, like, Oh, it all goes downhill after 30, which I mean,

so many people have told me, or like, Oh, it's Monday, you know, another week, all that, like all these types of ideas have pervaded culture so deeply that people expect to feel that way. They expect to feel like shit on Monday. They expect that after 30, they people expect to feel that way they expect to feel like shit on monday they expect that after 30 they're going to feel tired and whatever they expect that after they're married they're not gonna i don't know like all that kind of shit that you have after you get married like you're not gonna think this significant other's sexy or they're not gonna have sex anymore or like any of that kind of shit and it's like that ain't how it's working for me and when they have these expectations and then all these people that believe this is true around them it's not surprising that like you know i get emails or

dms from people like ah you know is it too late for me to get started this fitness thing i'm 38 blah blah is it can i not lose weight or this is a great time for my focus on yourself man this is awesome you know like guys thinking oh are my hormones or do i not have enough testosterone or is this or that because you're like 35 or something? No. You know what I mean? It, there's no reason to think that way. It's just, but so many people do that. It's almost hard to believe that it is possible. And I think, you know, something I've been kind of preaching lately is like, find something that's repeatable, you know, find something that's easy enough and simple enough, um, that it's something that you can manage and do repeatedly because you have to have like shit to hang on to. You know, you need – we all need like stuff to do.

For you, you found jiu-jitsu and you found lifting a long time ago. And these are things that you can easily implement. They still work. You can still have your job you know which provides income for you to to live the life that you want to live um you have time with your girlfriend you've worked all these things out and it's all things that fit into what you're doing your diet fits into all this stuff right so people just you know they really need to kind of be in search of finding stuff you know we all want to make things so difficult. Um, but

Jeff shared something with me this morning and it's from Bruce Lee, which I think is amazing. Bruce Lee just had so much great, uh, great wisdom, but he said, you know, it's, it's, uh, just as important to subtract as it is to add, you know, so we're, I talk about do more, be more, which is fantastic. But if you're going to is fantastic but if you're going to do more and if you're going to do more you better subtract stuff out of your life too because you know we're really going to be you know we're going to continue to add to our plate and add to our plate now we don't have time for other shit right so after a while it won't make any sense because you'll be driving yourself crazy with i gotta do more oh the red light i gotta do that

and i i gotta go for my 10 minute walk and I need, you know, and you'd be like really weighing your food. Right. And you're just really losing your mind at some point. So you got to be a little cautious with it and you got to, you know, get certain things out of your life. Yeah. Like, you know, when I started doing jujitsu, it took a little bit for me to be like, okay, do I have to actually lift less if I'm going to be able to do this? Well, you know, it took a lot to get that in my head that I may have to do a few less days in the gym if I want to get better at this. I think you initially, you didn't, and then you had to, right? I had to, I was feeling too tired. Yeah. Just, it didn't work. Yeah. And then now you're at a place where you feel like, I mean, I saw you deadlifting 625 for

some reps the other day, right? And so you're at a place where you can still come in, have a great intense workout. And I'm sure when you're going over to jujitsu, uh, that your workouts are intense and they're the way that you want them to feel. Oh yeah, no. Yeah. Yesterday I came in, I did that workout that I went to jujitsu afterwards and it was just all rolling. So we had like 14 rolls yesterday and stay on beat, like I feel beat right now. But yeah, it's just like it's all that little adjustment. And even like fasting, that helps a lot in terms of taking away stress of having to cook all day. So, you know, taking out certain things can help a lot.

You going to jujitsu today? No, no. There's an open mat tonight, but I don't know if I'm going to go. I don't think if i'm gonna go i don't think so right so i mean because you have this mindset though where you're you're fairly open um and you're conscious of like i i want to be better if if somebody you know let's let's say uh there was a great jiu-jitsu practitioner who's like in the area and they have a clinic and someone's like dude it's not like it's not a normal seminar like in the area and they have a clinic and someone's like,

dude, it's not like, it's not a normal seminar. Like it's a full on like clinic that you work your ass off, but you just found out about it when you're leaving here and you got the opportunity to go, you would just go. Yeah. You'd be like, well, I was beat, but not anymore. Yeah. Like I feel fine now. Like you'll snap out of it. Right. Because you have the mindset towards that seems like it's in my best interest to go and do that regardless of the same thing with coming into the gym. You know, Louie Simmons always said, like, I just wonder, I wonder, you know, wonder what would happen if I just told everybody we're squatting today and it was on a bench day.

I said, Lou, I said, everyone would just squat, you know, because that's the mindset of the people that are in here. Everyone would just squat, you know, because that's the mindset of the people that are in here. They just they want to do they want to do what they feel is in their best interest and they feel it's in their best interest to follow your program, follow what you're saying. So if you told them if Casio said, hey, this is what we're doing, we're running three miles or five miles, you'd all be like. OK, yeah, like there would be a little snicker, right it would last for about you know three minutes maybe a couple guys would grumble or whatever but he'd be like no man we need to be in better shape we're all like running you'd be like huh okay just not showing up on tuesday when we run yeah you know i'm curious about this because um i've been hearing like i've

heard this quite a bit from a few people this week about coming into super training and training especially during the weekends a lot of people for some reason because the gym is free right Mark we don't pay the gym is free gym is free and SEMA pays I have to pay a small

membership fee but that's okay but a lot of people are still somewhat scared to come in and train here even on the weekends and I hear a lot of people are still somewhat scared to come in and train here, even on the weekends. And I hear a lot, oh, people are too strong in there or I'm not strong enough. I don't get that. I don't understand it. You know, we talk a lot here about how like you should put yourself around people that are stronger than you. And everyone here is super helpful. We see someone lifting, we'll say something or we'll cheer them on. I don't understand it.

Why aren't y'all coming? I just think people need to put out a block. And so when you throw out an excuse, it's a nice way to kind of close your mind off to having to do it. And so you blame something else or you're like, oh man, it can't really be free. And then somebody

might even like use the excuse of like that they have a different brand of knee sleeves or something and they might be like ah you know just just so they're comfortable with the reason why they're not you know they're not getting in here and not showing up that's what i would imagine it is and and just also probably nervous you know um we had some guys in here yesterday. Oh, my God. I can't I can't even get into this topic without without bringing this up. Oh, man. We don't have that many African-American people here.

And so it's always been it's always been a running joke for a long time. Always like, hey, one in one out. Make sure you guys make sure you guys aren't like ganging up on me. And like from a timing perspective, it's just always worked out that way. So Nsema would show up and Bill would be on his way out. And we always just thought it was funny. But yesterday, Bill is in here benching, right? And Bill always just like comes in and he's like in jeans and like he doesn't warm up and he benches like 405 for reps.

He's like, what are you doing? This guy comes in and he comes in from the back. Normally people come in from the front. He looks exactly like Bill. I think I saw this guy. He looks exactly like Bill. And I look over at Bill like my eyes are wide open. He's like, don't say it.

He's like, don't say it. He's like, don't say it. And Bill has always been so funny. You know, we were all giving each other shit here at Super Training all the time. Bill always just like shakes his head. He's always like, this is a tough crowd. He's a nicest guy in the world.

He's super, super quiet. But anyway, this guy that looked like Bill that came in yesterday, he was saying how scared he's been to come in for a long time this is a big guy you know this guy's big he's got some muscle mass on him and i saw him throwing around some weight he was strong and he's like man he's like but he's like i saw you

talking about the 10 minute walks and i saw you talking about diet and nutrition and he's like all right well if this guy's encouraging me to walk and he's saying that the gym is free i should just go check it out so he was like less intimidated because i was talking about walking rather than like you know showing somebody deadlifted 700 pounds so that he felt like that was a good opportunity to like come in and and check the place out and i was like you got to come in here every week what are you doing man and he's like he's like i'll try i'll start i'll try to start coming in more so hopefully he comes around more yeah i was still one in, one out. Yeah.

Well, it's funny because like when Terrell was working here, Encima wasn't co-hosting yet. And then Encima co-hosts and Terrell's gone. Well, that throws my theory out of the window because like when I think of like training with other really strong dudes, I'm just like, well, shit, like I'm not even half of their strength. So like I'm not even going to waste their time with like me coming in but it's that guy that guy was big for him to think that or to be nervous like yeah that's you know yeah that's pretty crazy i think it's just like

the uh the presence right like you look at our instagram our youtube podcast like it's kind of like a big it's a thing you know it's not just another gym but even still like when i went to the gym i was pretty nervous but i did not go the gym the gym it's in the one in it's so it's over there somewhere yeah yeah yeah i went and trained with tony huge and the crew i think sometimes people don't feel they're like worth they're like worth enough you know they don't maybe sometimes have enough self-worth to to think they're like worthy of like going to do something, but hopefully you can build up enough confidence where you can get over those kinds of things. And that's what I'm saying. Like we all need something to kind of hold on to need something, you know, find something that's simple enough. That's something that you can repeat so that you can build some sort of consistency. so that you can build some sort of consistency. That'll make you feel good about yourself. And then you'll be able to build upon that.

I remember the scene in Rocky. And I just think this is so amazing that like just the way that the movie's written and stuff is wild. But, you know, Stallone goes in and he talks to Apollo Creed's manager and Rocky rather. So Rocky, he sits down and he says to apollo apollo's manager he says hey you know just so you know you know i'm not going to take any cheap shots or anything like that and the manager's like okay and he's like uh he's like he's like why do you say that rocky and he's like well i just want you know i'm going to be a really good training partner i'm

going to be a really good sparring partner for Creed. Like, I respect him a lot. And the coaches or the trainers, like the manager, rather, he says, no, Rocky, like you have a total misunderstanding of what's happening here. He wants to fight you for the heavyweight championship of the world. And then Rocky still denies that. And he says, no, no, no, sir. He says, you don't understand. Like I, I, I'm a journeyman boxer.

Like that wouldn't make for, that wouldn't make for a good fight. He doesn't feel he's worth enough. He doesn't feel he's worthy of it. And he's thinking of it logistically, you know, like I don't even know who the champion is now, like Tyson Fury, right? Like I've done some boxing, right? And if they came to me and said, Hey, we think it would be awesome if you fought Tyson Fury, I would say the same thing, right? Like I've done some boxing, right? And if they came to me and said, hey, we think it would be awesome if you fought Tyson Fury, I would say the same thing, right? I'd be like, no, like, first of all, I'm going to get blasted. Like I'm going to get absolutely annihilated.

And secondly, yeah, nobody really wants to see that. Like that's not going to be very productive for anybody. And so Rocky didn't feel like he had enough worth or didn't feel like he had any value to be able to uh even have a competition with apollo creed and then obviously he thinks about it more and and they end up fighting and and the rest is uh rocky rocky history but i think a lot of times people feel that way they feel like they're not like worth enough to uh to even have the ability uh to do that but we don't really view things like that here at super training. I, you know, I've, I've trained with all kinds of people. Sometimes people come in on our like off days and they just happen to be passing by and I I'll grab them and say,

let's go in the gym. And I'll, it hasn't happened that much because I don't have time for it all the time, but I've worked out with random people that just stopped by for a few minutes. Yeah. Yeah. No, I remember when i first started training here that's sometimes it's how i've definitely felt because literally there was so many people that were so much stronger than me that it almost it felt a little bit embarrassing almost but the thing is is like everyone was so damn helpful everyone was like you know really giving me good information on how i could fix things like it it was just the best place to train is the it is the best place to train so we'll have to get brandon curry out here so he can confirm that oh oh yeah i'll have to get him out

here yeah to uh check out super training um what do you think about uh like what's your thoughts on maybe somebody not wanting to train here because we get a lot of the programming from somebody who's not here yeah i don't know yeah yeah i don't know yep jesse burdick helps with a lot of the programming from somebody who's not here yeah i don't know yeah yeah i don't know yep jesse burdick helps with a lot of the programming our um our team has done a bunch of different styles of training um i've had we've had matt winning help out before um we had you know marcus was helping out when he was here for a while silent mike was helping out when he was here for a while i think it matters too much if somebody's here or not here. Really, the reason why we even have that in the first place

is just so the team has something to follow. They like to kind of train that way. I don't really ever follow anything. I just work out. Yeah, and people always DM me like, so what are you guys doing in the mornings? We do whatever we do yeah like there's no rhyme or reason other than what hurts the least amount yeah like i mean today i just wanted to try to keep moving and so i did three circuits

of three different things and so like in between my benches i did some front squats with some dumbbells i saw austin bomb garden doing those the other day. And I was like, that actually looks like a great movement. And I love to be able to move better. So it's forcing me into a, into a good position. So I was doing that in between benching. And I was also doing kind of like a Cuban press, um, in between. And then on top of that, I was utilizing like an old method that I haven't used in a long time, but there's kind of this old method where when you do something that's kind of like near a one rep max or even a submaximal weight, and then you go to do six repetitions,

you can perform more on the six repetitions than you normally would be able to. Say that again? I'm a little lost too. Yeah, so it's something to basically kind of wake up your central nervous system. It helps you to recruit more motor units. That's what strength is really all about. It's your body kind of calling on these motor units to express your highest levels of strength. And someone like Kaler Willem is just able to recruit more motor units, more fibers than most

of us in a faster, better, more organized way. And that's how he's able to recruit more motor units, more fibers than most of us in a faster, better, more organized way. And that's how he's able to lift those weights. Obviously he just has some muscle mass on him as well, but we got muscle mass on us too. And we're not able to move those weights that way. So something there, there's almost like a level of genius to it. In some sense, it would be, it wouldn't be any different than if we were trying to put together a bunch of different shapes and we had like a literal genius here who was practiced up in that and we would just be like, oh, my God. He did that in 15 seconds and it took us 40 minutes, you know, and just did it over and over again, just kept whooping your ass in it. You're like, oh, my God. Strength is a little bit similar to that, but you can kind of tap into some of this stuff and you can kind of

like almost in a sense override your system. Like I'm sure you're aware of like PNF stretching. Like there's certain types of stretching that, you know, if we were to stretch your hamstring to a certain degree, like not overstretch it, but get it to a degree that's like a little uncomfortable. And then you pushed into me for like five seconds. Once you release, your hamstring will actually release because it's kind of overriding your body's natural response

to how tight that hamstring is. Now your body's like, okay, this position's okay now. So similar to strength where if your best bench is, let's just say 300 pounds, if you come in and you bench and someone who benches 300 pounds would probably be able to do about 245 or so for about six reps if that same person now does 285 for a single. 285 is enough, even like 280 is enough to elicit a response in the body to where you recruited a certain amount of motor units. Your body's like, hey, like this is what we're doing for today. And it woke you up. You lifted more weight first,

and then you went to try a six rep max again. And when you went to that six rep max, instead of it being 240 or 245 it might be 250 or 255 basically by lifting heavier the lighter weights will feel lighter yeah um and they don't have to be like it doesn't have to be right after actually it's preferred that it's not right after because you want a little bit of space um the nervous system is a weird thing like once you start to fuck with it you get all shaky and crazy that's why like you drive home sometimes and like your shit is like all woken up and it doesn't happen you know when you're more experienced but in the beginning it can happen quite a bit i mean i remember driving home from workouts and like i'd be like twitching like oh my god that's

something happened to me like when i first started jujitsu and i was like super tired i'd be like shaking while driving home because i'm so beat yeah yeah it's your your nervous system's like dude what what are we doing anyway by lifting a little heavier first the six rep max is a little easier or you can handle more weight and so what we did is we staggered it over the course of six sets so like uh set number one i think i did like 375 and in my six reps i think i did 275 and then i did 385 and then i did 295 and then and so on and then i finished um my last set i did 405, which actually felt a little easier than I thought it was going to feel. And I had the fat bar too, which kind of throws a wrinkle in there. And then I did 315 for nine reps, and it felt fairly easy.

But it's just something I just haven't even done or tried in a long time. Those are like staggered sets. They're called all kinds of different things they're actually originally they're called cluster sets but cluster sets are something different now i don't know how that happened but things change um but it's a fun way to train it's a fun way to kind of like you're kind of getting a combination of some strength training and some hypertrophy training and so um i love going back to some of that old stuff that I'm, I just forgot about. Like, I'm like, Oh shit, I haven't, I haven't tried that in a while. I need to get back to that. Yeah. And that's part of the reason why I don't even really like programming.

I like to just kind of like to kind of just do what I want to do and feel good about it. Yeah, no, I've been like, I've been really enjoying that type of training too. I don't know, like, cause I've been super setting stuff, but usually sometimes I'll take a little bit more time. Now I just try to go through each movement and then rest a little bit, even if it's bigger movements, I've been really just enjoying the way I feel like. So you go through three movements and then you might, when you're done with the third movement, you might rest a 30 seconds to a minute before you restart the whole thing. Yeah. It might rest like a minute to a minute and a half, um, depending on like how heavy the, the first thing in the superset was.

But, um, yeah, like I, I don't know, I've been feeling much, I've been like getting done with my workouts faster, getting through a lot more movements, which is nice. I think I started doing this more or structuring this a little bit better after talking to Brian and seeing some of the stuff that he was doing. But you've been doing this type of stuff for like a while and you're saying you're feeling better. So what made you make the switch to doing this? It's just, it's, it's a way that I used to train a lot of people. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's the way I used to work with a lot of people. And,

you know, I trained like a lot of like housewives and stuff. And I, what I found is like, I would try to have them strength train and they would be like, what's next? You know? So I'd have them do something, you know, where most of us, you know, we're, we're pretty tired from a good set of five. But somebody who hasn't built up a lot of strength yet, when they do a set of five, they're not really all that taxed, you know, even if it feels heavy to them. as a trainer who was training people like in person i was like well this doesn't feel like they're getting their money's worth they're kind of just standing around you know i need to figure out other stuff but i don't want to have them you know aimlessly running around so then i was like well maybe we'll kind of like superset stuff and i tried some of that and that didn't work great because now they were getting fatigued you know like they would do say like a bench press and then maybe do like a tricep pushdown it's like well that

involves the same muscles so that can be great for a bodybuilder and that can be great for hypertrophy but it's not really uh not really what i was really looking for for the this particular these particular training sessions sometimes maybe we do that more at the end because i was trying to keep their strength fairly high in the beginning and And then, yeah, when they were worn out, we could do whatever. But and then I started kind of looking into things more and I was like, well, what if they did a bench press? And then what if they did like a step up, you know, so they do like a bench press. They do like a step up and then maybe they do like a curl. Yeah. You know, it's like a bicep curl isn't going to interfere with the bench.

The step up is not going to interfere with anything. And so now it makes sense. And so it's like they go through the three things. And a lot of times when I was training people, too, they just get they they don't want to do stuff for that long because they just kind of get bored. So to have them do like two or three rounds of that and then we'd move on to something else. It keeps it more entertaining, the more exercise they got to do so um i trained people with that for a long time and i at when i was doing that was like 20 years ago uh i would train like that pretty often myself just because i like to kind of keep moving and so um now it's something i've started to gravitate towards again feels good i

really like it a lot yeah no i used to that's what i did a lot when I was bodybuilding. I'd superset literally everything. And when I started focusing on powerlifting, it became a lot more single movements, a little bit more sitting around, but like, I mean, I needed to rest between those sets, but now I'm feeling that I can still maintain that level of like working with higher intensity load. Like yesterday, the pause deadlift was 625. Moving to the next movement wasn't difficult. It wasn't difficult to move towards penalty raised penalty rows. Then after that to push pressing and then right back to, to the, to the deadlifts.

What I find, what I find interesting about this kind of stuff is that you can, you can gain a lot of strength from this. So like people have some mis misconceptions about this. They think they think that because you're doing something else in between that you're, you're going to be using less weight in your workouts, which is probably true that that part is probably true, but because it's a different training stimulus, you could potentially get stronger. I mean, there might be a point where you're, you know, you might, you know, start to exceed your 750 pound pull by, you know, the might, you know, start to exceed your 750 pound pull by, you know,

the more, like once you start to learn more about how this feels for you, like there's a huge opportunity that you'll be stronger than you ever, ever been before. Yeah. Cause like, it's just, even though the loads might be a little bit lighter. So maybe if I was only doing deadlifts and not doing anything else between, maybe I'd be working with 650, 655. Right. not doing anything else between maybe I'd be working with 650, 655. Right. But if I'm doing all these three, I could still progress this over weeks and months. So maybe, I don't know,

next week or the week after that, I'm working with 640. And then for the pendulums, I'm doing 260 or 270 for the push presses. I'm doing 175. Like it's just, it's still progression, but with those three movements, nothing's really that different. It's still progression, but with those three movements. Nothing's really that different. Well, and also, let's say you do a set of five. And when you do a set of five, part of the reason why you do a set of five is so that rep number, well, when you're trying to train for strength, you're trying to start to have some sort of form.

trying to start to have some sort of form. You're not trying to have a form breakdown, but if you overcome a form breakdown, a lot of time that's where strength will happen. And so you really don't want anything to break down, but when you do four or five reps or you do multiple sets, a lot of times something will start to break down just a pinch, right? And you kind of look at that last rep and be like,

man, I wish I would have held it together just a little bit not it's not a total uh abomination of a lift it's just a small uh change right now with what you're doing now with this super set you might be able to get the same effect from two reps and from less weight so less less reps and less weight might elicit something similar because you so in that set right there i don't know if you did multiple sets probably your top set but like let's just say that you did uh three sets that were over 585 by the time you get back to that third set of over 585 pounds you're running into a similar thing that you would run into with maximal loads. Yeah. So it's mimicking maximal loads, but it's with a reduced weight. So you should still, in some sense, get a similar response.

Now, the response when it comes to top end probably won't be exactly the same because with top end strength, you have to prime the central nervous system a little bit. So in this case, you could do this for a few weeks and you can get stronger. And then at some point you would have to probably overload a little bit. But it wouldn't mean that you'd have to handle 750 necessarily. It would just mean that you'd have to just change the training up slightly and you'd probably get a huge bang from it. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. That's, that's a good explanation of it. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think sometimes we just think that there's only one way to get stronger yeah pretty much yeah that's it's a good explanation of it yeah i mean i think i think sometimes we just think that there's only one way to get stronger and um even when you're doing like

sets of 10 it's like set you know eight nine and ten isn't the same as doing a like two or three rep max where the form starts to break down but it's similar and it could be similar enough and if you can plow through that for the course of four sets, that's part of the reason why people start their training there when they're prepping for a powerlifting meet is that they are trying to build a really strong foundation that they can pile more stuff on top of. So they'll bring up a ton of volume. They'll do a lot of sets, a lot of reps with good amounts of weight. And then as the competition comes closer,

they'll probably reduce the volume a little bit over a period of time, but they set their body through these positions over and over and over again. Now you can't go through those positions multiple times with heavier weights. It's not wise. It's not wise. It's not smart. So if you did five to five and you're rounded over on set number one on rep number three, you're in a bad spot and you should probably reduce the weight. If you're doing four sets of 10 and you round it over a little bit on set number one of rep number seven. That's not such a bad spot to be.

The weight is reduced enough. You should be okay. You should always be trying to get the best possible form that you can. But we also know that if you're trying to lift perfectly all the time, that that's not going to be enough weight usually to help get you stronger. Yeah. You know, I'd love to see it to be immaculate, but it's like not realistic. There's going to be, and again, I'm not talking about knees caving in and back rounding. I'm talking about just where you're like, Oh, that was, that could be a little better. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. You know, what I'm really digging into is that like,

I know like a few years back, I would have thought that there's certain ideal way. Well, that there's like best ways to train in terms of strength or best ways to train in terms of muscle gain. And this isn't such a smart idea. There's really no reason to go like this, but like now, um, because of like all of the influences from a lot of people we've been talking to, it just, uh, makes me a little bit open to try things or try different ways of training that I would have thought in the past were not really that smart. And they're actually working out pretty well like three years ago i wouldn't have done something like this because i would have been like there's too much fatigue building up between movement to movement you're not going to be able to move maximal load

that way you know like i would have done some shit like that so i just really like how i'm just more open to all these different aspects of just trying these things out and seeing how they work um because there's like there's infinite amount of ways to train and i think one of the biggest all these different aspects of just trying these things out and seeing how they work. There's infinite amount of ways to train. And I think one of the biggest things is like, you want to train and make progress, but you also really want to enjoy what you're doing. You don't want to just do something because X says it's the best way, but when you do it, you hate it. But it's, you know, this person said it's the best way to do this. So. Yeah. You're not going to be lean from lift and heavy, you know, and it's like,

well, that's not really true yeah yeah is it okay to just hate a certain type of like uh i don't know like i hate doing burpees like is it okay that i hate them or am i just being a bitch it's okay that you hate them you can still do them and not like them like there's a lot of movements in the gym that like you may not be inherently good at maybe because you haven't had enough practice or maybe because like, I don't know, you just just don't do it as frequently or burpees are tiring. I honestly I'd say that most people, including CrossFitters, just don't like the burpees, but they do them, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's normal. Yeah, that's a perfect answer because I was just bringing that up because like there's people that are, you know, maybe like, you know, like we said, they're nervous to come to super training, but they feel that are just nervous to go train period because they hear, you know, they hear about like, oh, this guy says like he's too anxious if he doesn't go to the gym. He loves going to the gym.

He's not the same. But then they go and they're just like, man, this that sucked. I'm all sore. And like, I hated that. Like, well, you know, OK, you're not going to necessarily love it all the time. Yeah, that's OK. Yeah. Yeah. And that's okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I think, you know, and, you know, there has to, like, if there's a reason why you hate it, you know, you get hurt. It seems like you get hurt every time you do it. Then maybe it isn't something that you continue to do. I know some people don't like leg press. And I saw you shooting a video on a leg press the other day saying, you know, be a little careful that your back doesn't come off the pad because a lot of times your back is rounding. That's where people hurt their back. And again, you know, this is all relative to, you know, your body and then also the type of weights that you put on there. So if you had a plate on there and your back was coming off the pad a little bit, might not be too bad of a foul, you know.

But if you got five plates on there it's probably not probably not a great idea i know michael hearn likes to sometimes you know go for range of motion with certain movements and it's like well look at when first of all you know he's a pro and he's been doing it for a long time but look at the weight that he'll suggest to other people in the group you know you know what it was like to train with him and yeah he reduced the weight a lot for us and we're like ah it sucks you know but it's just that's because this is where we're at and he's been doing these movements for a long time he's very familiar with them and for most people that's a great idea is like let's reduce the weight let's make sure we're doing a lift the right way but if you do find stuff that you really truly hate and you're like i don't dig that like that doesn't keep me motivated i don't think

it's helpful or useful to me then there's a lot of options in the gym you know it's really just don't do it yeah it's okay you know i hear um or not even i hear a lot of like people ask me because you know they see that power through squat bench and deadlift. And like guys are like, can I still get a big, like a big chest if I don't, you know, if I don't bench press? Do I have to bench press? I really don't like that. You know, you can still do a lot of dumbbell work or machine work and get a big chest even if you don't have a big bench. And like, I mean, we love squatting and we love deadlifting, but you don't have to do squats for big legs. Although squatting is just deadlifting but you don't have to do squats for big legs although squatting is

just a great movement but you could do leg press leg extensions lunges there's there's infinite amount of things that you could do that you might enjoy more than a certain movement um and the reason why i was laughing at andrew when he mentioned rob oberst from joe rogan is because remember when rob was like oh most people shouldn't deadlift and the whole strength community was like no everyone should deadlift i know everyone's gonna hate that i say this but yeah deadlifting you don't you know nobody needs to be deadlifting and i was like hmm like that's yeah that goes literally against what everybody says so many people were making videos responding to that yeah like i miss that hella people made videos oh, no, you should be deadlifting in some sort of fashion and posts about it.

But like, you know, like, yeah, that looks great. I really like it. Yeah, there's a lot of ways to deadlift without hurting your back. But I mean, he does kind of have a point. But there's a lot of safe ways to deadlift, you know, like Casio, for example, prefers doing heavy kettlebell sumo deadlifts rather than reaching down to the bar and grabbing you know and doing deadlifts that way so there's just so many infinite ways to find something that you enjoy to do in here

yeah we did a trap like elevated trap bar deadlifts yesterday yeah and it's been a while since I've gotten inside that damn trap bar it's a trap but I felt so good like I did 275 and it wasn't like a stroke like I mean it was it was, but it felt so good. I did 275, and it wasn't like a stroke. I mean, it was tough, but it wasn't like it used to be before with a straight bar.

Yeah, it's a way different feel. Yeah, it just feels good. Well, a straight bar ends up- To hold the weight in your hands like that, it just feels great. Yeah, the straight bar ends up kind of out in front of you. Right. And it's like, man, you get on your toes or you shift forward a little bit and like man everything just everything really just dumps in your lower

back and you're like oh my god i'm gonna die yeah um but yeah i agree i mean there's many different ways of doing things and i think to robert's point i actually just think that it's always good to just be cautious of any of the major lifts many of the because we're just trying to always add weight to it yep we're just always trying to add weight and add weight and add weight and like you were doing a good amount of weight on the um on the deadlift you were handling some decent weight on the pendlay row but the weight that you're handling in the overhead press was almost just to overhead press yeah almost just to have a third movement like it wasn't so the point is is like the weights don't always have to kill you um they don't have to you don't have a ton of weight on there but just be careful that

you're not chasing stuff that's not there you're not going to ever get it anyway if you're chasing stuff that that you have to really truly force like i do agree with ct fletcher you can kind of force your muscles to grow um but don't force strength when it's not there if it doesn't feel right don't you know you you've been dead lifting for a few weeks in a row and your back's starting to feel a little bit weird pay attention to that like it's not gonna feel better when you add more weight it's gonna feel a lot worse usually so i think that i think that's kind of the main thing from Robert Oberst. I mean, he's a pro strong man and, uh, him and all his buddies deadlift, you know, 800,

900,000 pounds, they deadlift huge weights. And I think that's, you know, that's kind of what he's talking about. But even for the person that's trying to deadlift three 15 for the first time, just don't force stuff. You know, if you, if you're feeling good and you're having great workouts and you're working out with one 85 and two 25, that's great. Stay with that. Like, are we really going to notice a crazy profound difference in your physique from you starting to use two 75? You know what I mean? Like probably not. Yeah. Like if you're getting a nice workout with these other weights and everything's feeling good and you feel strong every day, does it really matter for you to go into a weight that probably doesn't belong in your hands at the moment? No.

No. Just like when we were working out with Mike and he made us like lower that load to something laughable. Same exact idea. What were you about to say? No, I was just saying I like how oberst gave uh brian shaw tons of props he's like he's the he's the best strong man that ever lived like oh that's cool oh yeah yeah he was yeah he was uh laying it on thick yeah brian shaw is the man yeah you saw him how's he doing he's still gigantic that's good he's still he's still absolutely massive you know i

think you know he just uh he's he's having fun you know it seemed like all those guys had a lot of fun uh doing that show i ran into nick best as well he was kind of hanging around and um it seemed like you know they got a lot of publicity from the show and they're all super excited and hyped up um but now it's back down to business you know you got to try to win another world's strongest man and Man. People are hungry for that title. The title shifted around a little bit. I'm sure Hapthor is hungry to get back on top again, just as Brian is. It'll continue to be a dogfight.

But it just gets harder and harder for all of them because they're all becoming more popular as well. There's more shit thrown at them all the time. It would be great if they could just focus in on strongmen, but they can't. They got other shit going on. Yeah, that is the pretty crazy thing that like, I mean, it's social media has been like apparent

for the past five, six, seven years. But a lot of the athletes that are at the top of these sports are now also getting a ton of recognition from the whole community and more financial, you know, opportunities too. So it's like, you know, like now, I mean, you can't really compare it to like, you know, I guess top NBA players or anything because they're still competitors, but I guess, um, they're going to have to balance that out, balance out massive amounts of fame

with also being a high level competitor. It might be even a little bit harder really than a professional sport because, and not that pro strongman is not a professional sport. It is, but here's why is like all these guys and girls that are making money off of Instagram for lifting big weights could stop competing tomorrow and probably make the same amount of money or more. Larry, Larry wheels is a prime example. When is the last time Larry wheels competed?

Yeah. Powerlifting meet. You're right. You know, like it's, it's been a while, you know? And so he,

he doesn't ever have to power lift again if he doesn't feel it. I mean, I think it's great that he proved himself in powerlifting and it's good that he has that that background because some people might say, oh, you know, it's BS. He's, you know, because he's unbelievable. Right. So that's what people would probably think. They'd probably think there's got to be, you know, no one can bench 500 for whatever it was, 19 reps or something. I don't even know.

I don't know what's going on with that guy. But it's just unbelievable. And I think Eddie Hall is a pretty good example too. He's not like retired, retired. He still competes in some strongman stuff here and there. And I don't know his financial business or anything, but it seems like he's doing great. And it seems like a lot of these other strong men are doing really well.

They can travel. They can have fun with their families and do lots of fun and cool things. And so it's an interesting time because they could just kind of hang it up and turn towards something else and not really ever you know reach the excellence they want in that sport they could they could they could actually afford to be distracted i guess is my point yeah and make more money from it where if you're a pro athlete um it's not gonna work out the same for you because it would be harder to switch you know a lot of some pro athletes do have a huge social media following so so maybe they could do the same. I don't know. Yeah, no, especially like when you think of, I guess, the way lifting is portrayed, like if you were to stop playing football,

well, you're not going to play football on Instagram. Like, you know? Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and also you're not going to make like JJ watt money from being an instant. Well, for some people might be able to, but in general, you're not going to really see that come across the table. Yeah, that's definitely true. You have to become like a Twitch streamer playing Madden, like yourself on Madden. Some of them actually do that, yeah. Yeah, I know like Mighty Mouse plays a lot on Twitch.

He's like super successful on that. He's really good. He plays fighting games and he's really good at them. Yeah. Anything else notable happen at the Olympia? uh i had a good time you know got to hang out with some of my peeps from quest unfortunately i didn't get to run into ron penna he had to come in uh later so i didn't get an opportunity to run run into him but we'll see him soon enough anyway um got to hang out with our boy bruce uh brenas of Quest Nutrition. And that was a lot of fun and got to meet some cool people.

And, yeah, I got to run into Mike O'Tren. You guys know that guy? There he is, Mr. Mike. And his wifey poo there, Mona. And they're doing great. And they were kind of sad because they haven't been home in a little bit. They've been traveling, and they haven't been home to Baby Titan in a little while. So they were like, sad because they haven't been home in a little bit. They've been traveling and they haven't been home to a baby Titan a little while.

So they were like, Oh man, we're like, you could kind of see it on both of them too. They were kind of like, they didn't seem tired. They seemed like they were like stressed out and they're like, yeah,

which one I get back home to our baby. And I was like, yep, I know that feeling. Um, so it was good seeing them. And then Brian is always, he's always happy he's just

an absolute giant I thought he was going to punch me in the head knock my head off my shoulders and I ran into a guy named Nick Wright you guys know Nick Wright of course we know Nick Wright yep ran into Nick Wright got to shoot a bunch of guns ran into Brooke Ence who surprised me big time by

telling me that she was trying to fight off swamp ass I didn't know someone like Brooke Enns would have swamp ass, but she was wearing gray pants. And she's like, these pants are iffy at best, and I wasn't expecting it. At an expo that's so breathy. Yeah, she's like, I wasn't expecting it to be this hot inside. She's like, I know it's Vegas and it's hot outside. And I said, well, look, if you want to talk about this,

I'm open because I know a lot about swamp bass. Like if anybody's got swamp bass down, it's me. And so, you know, might be able to, you know, just help you to just relieve the pressure of all that. She was awesome. She's always good to see her. And it's, you know, it's just cool. Like, you know, getting opportunities to run into different people. Yeah.

We ran into Lisa Vanderpump, who's on, what is it real housewives uh show oh wow her and her husband have a bunch of restaurants and they have a restaurant in the hotel that we were at and uh she was actually there like what was cool is you know she's multi-millionaire and there she is like she's actually physically setting up this display that's in her in her bar and she's just she had people helping her and stuff but like she's the one like folding these shirts and like setting all this stuff up and i thought yeah i thought it was cool because it's like she could easily be off somewhere else and pay somebody for that but she's like very hands-on and then she just walked by our table and i said, oh, my wife's a huge fan of your show. And she said, you're not.

And I said, I am. I am too. And anyway, she just kind of like took a few minutes with us. She signed a bottle of wine for us and it was cool. It was fun. And then Quest Nutrition, I kept stealing pizza from them. I was so fat. They're so good.

I was super hungry. So I kept stealing pizza from them and they're fat they're so good i was super hungry so i kept stealing pizza from them and they're giving out these like little slivers and i told the woman there i was like i was like i need a i was like i need a full one to go i'm like i'm dying over here yeah and uh she's like i can't she's like i can't do it she's like uh we're running low and like the customers aren't going to get any and like there was a a guy there. He's like, fuck the customers. He's like, get him a pizza. That's great. And they gave me that pizza on my way out the door.

I kind of messed up. Ryan Spencer, we were talking. We were training. This was, I think, Friday, maybe Thursday or Friday. And I was like, dude, because I was asking him like, hey, what's your diet like? And he's like, oh, everyone assumes that I'm just like super strict because i'm so disciplined with the gym he's like but you know i have pizza every friday and i'm like you have to try quest nutrition's frozen pizza then and so he's like what like is it good i'm like dude it tastes amazing and he's like he's like he gets quiet he's like you know what i'm gonna go to the store right now and get it i'm like dude you're you're gonna love it they're always sold out at target yeah well so here's the thing uh they now sell it at walmart and i they sell

different flavors at walmart too they only have pepperoni and and then plain cheese right now so hopefully and you know this of course because i i buy out all of them as soon as i see it pepperoni is is so much better than just the cheese. All the cheese is good. And then that damn spinach one, I haven't had it since. I'm dying for it. I've never liked any pizza without the red sauce. I've never liked it with the white sauce.

It's just not my thing. That one is, dude, that one's really good. Y'all, my brother's fasting right now, so let's chill. Let's relax everybody just everybody just ease up yeah a little bit on some of this i'm playing i'm playing you're good but yeah uh so i told him about i'm like yeah pepperoni is probably the best one that's the one that's available like the the combination one's okay still Still good, but that pepperoni is the best one. And if you can get the spinach, yeah. Hell yeah.

I think in a future podcast we should talk about this topic a little bit more about convenient foods that you can get a hold of while still maintaining your diet integrity. Because I went to Five Guys yesterday on the way home and the maybe the day before that or two days before that, I stopped at In-N-Out and I've been doing some taste tests over here. Which one's better? Well, five guys is better in my opinion when it comes to when it comes to just eating the

meat. my opinion when it comes to when it comes to just eating the meat um and also i will say so in and out burger is by far a a far better operation like they get your shit a lot faster five guys they don't know what's going on they're super confused when you try to order it without the bun they don't know what's they're they're they're all confused back there. And I had that happen more than once there. So it's not just one time that it's happened. But the In-N-Out Burger, in my opinion, is too salty. And it's probably way different experience with a bun. It's probably fine with the bun.

But without the bun, it wasn't as good as Five Guys, I think. Yeah, I think they take into account the In-N-Out spread and probably ketchup as well. So that's why they salt it up. But for me, obviously, it's In-N-Out. But Chris Bell was like, if you're doing true carnivore, it's got to be Five Guys. And I'm like, okay, with that argument, yeah, I'll agree with that. Yeah. I still think the bun's great too but it's better than

in and out but you know yeah but i would say habits better than five guys my brother actually hey he also said that and i haven't had this i don't think no i haven't had it uh he also said that wendy's is is better than all oh he said a burger just a cheeseburger from wendy's is rocking that's what i was going to say. He said it's always consistent and it always tastes good. It's In-N-Out, Habit Burger, and then a tie between everyone else, which would be Wendy's and Five Guys and whoever else you want to throw in there. You shut your dirty mouth. Now, Wendy's is the only place that's made me constipated on a consistent basis i don't go

there much anymore like ever because like every time i have a wendy's like burger the next day i can't poop for a while i usually have my morning poop wendy's what are you doing to my boy well maybe because you're utilizing all of the nutrients that wendy's has like it's a better delivery system than everyone else it's all just getting stopped up in there i cannot wait for us to talk about this but i do think we should talk about like convenient things that we do to like stay on our diet um things that are maybe gray area that we still feel are you know okay enough to i guess maintain the physiques that we want to have you know or at least head us in the right direction

and then we could talk about total destruction too like what we do when we go you know when we go all in for it extreme annihilation that sounds like fun but yeah I think I should go to five guys now now that we got this going

I think I thawed out some Piedmontese beef just so people know you know you could go to and the convenience of in-and-out burger and being able to communicate with them and to say you want a flying dutchman is great yeah because that's just that's just you getting the patties without the bun and there's nothing else on it that that helps a lot but i think a lot of people don't even know that think a lot of people don't even know that. Like a lot of people don't even realize that sometimes I know people try to confuse, confuse everybody with a

ketogenic diet and say, Oh, it's more than just like not eating the bun. But literally that's a great change to start making. Now, if you're not eating the bun and you're still eating a lot of carbohydrates and you're eating a lot of fat and carbohydrates, it's like what you're doing is not really probably making a lot of sense. But if you're looking to cut back on carbohydrates and start to really make some big changes, you can go to fast food every day and still make a lot of progress. I actually, a lot of times with my diet,

when I was doing keto years ago, and I still do this now because we're back in football season, every Monday I cook up some wings and i get those wings going and i actually did for a week straight just to kind of test it out i did wings for seven days and i lost like eight pounds and and i'm not saying that wings helped me lose weight i'm just saying that wings they fit into a ketogenic diet so when did you do this how recent was this uh it's probably two or three years ago yeah wing hashtag wing diet that one makes was this uh it's probably two or three years ago yeah wing hashtag wing diet that one makes sense i mean it's chicken wings you probably weren't making them

they they weren't like you didn't have a bunch of cheese and a bunch of crazy stuff with it right no no i mean it's just like just wings yeah it's just you know well so even when you get wings from like wing stop now they're fried right which isn't great um but it's just butter and hot sauce yeah there's no carbohydrates in it even when you dip them in ranch there's still no carbohydrates in it now it's gonna start to have a huge amount of calories you know each wing is probably like 150 calories or something or maybe more i don't know and they're pretty small right um but i i make them at home now just to try to like again again, just try to have it be a little safer, a little less, you know, shitty for me. And I just I throw them in the oven and I throw some coconut oil down just to kind of keep them from sticking to anything.

And then I cook up some butter and some red hot. and some red hot oh and a little secret is to get um unsalted butter because there's already so much salt and sodium in the um in the red hot sauce that it just ends up being like it's too salty so i get unsalted butter and i throw some coconut oil in there as well and it's just all kind of like mixes up dump that shit right on the wings or actually I throw the wings in the pot with them and they cook in there for a little while. And then I eat the wings and they were, I did that last week and it was amazing. Man, you should make a kind of our cookbook. Oh my God. The cookbook.

Yeah. That'd be, that'd be clutch. Now I'm hungry. Shit. Now I want wings. Like I think we should go, dude. Why don't we go? Everyone listening to this right now, like on a drive or in the backyard is listening like fuck you guys we have we had

advertisers on four hours into their fast we had advertisers on the podcast now we could afford it now oh yes we can make those big bucks yeah we should talk about our advertisers before we drop off here we got our boys over at piedmontese well because we've been talking a lot about meat in the carnivore diet and um the huge advantage of getting Piedmontese is the fact that the meats are super lean. They're maybe like a lot. Well, they're not maybe. They are leaner than a lot of the other meats that you're going to see on the market. Even when you have a ribeye from them, I'm not sure how they do it or how it works.

But sometimes a typical ribeye might have, you know, 20 grams of fat. You'll notice that theirs has like 15. It's 10, 10, 10 per serving. Yeah. It's crazy. Which is, which is pretty, uh, pretty insane. Um, on top of that, it still tastes really good. It's still, uh, very tender. It's still very soft. I think that most of the time when you're thinking about meat being really lean, you're starting to think about it being really chewy. when you're thinking about meat being really lean, you're starting to think about it being really chewy. But this is still tender and still moist and still delicious. Yeah, I shot a whole how to make stir fry video.

We put it up on Power Project Instagram. Got a pretty good response, man. It was really good, though. Yeah. I said the stir fry beef from Piedmontese is DTF right out of the package. Cause it's all, it's all pre-cut. It's like, it's super convenient. But what was awesome is after I got back from the gym yesterday, it's like, Oh my gosh, what's this big old box from Piedmontese. I didn't have to deal with going to the store. I didn't have to deal

with like picking out like, like, Oh, what's a good cut of meat. Like what's on sale or like, what's, you know, it was just, it was all there for me and it yeah i'm excited i'm gonna i'm probably just gonna make some ground beef today to make some monster mash with it yeah but like i'm so excited i got a roast that i threw in my crock pot it's called like something standing roast it was gigantic and we threw it in a crock pot. It was just like, it's absolutely ridiculous. It had bones in it. But when I woke up the next morning, the bones were like just like sitting in the pot

because all the meat fell off the bones. Wow. I have this, the tomahawk, I need to figure out how I'm going to cook it because we have one of those tomahawks now. And I don't know if I'm going to cook into the oven or what because that thing is not fitting in my basic air fryer. The oven would work pretty good.

Yeah, yeah. I'll cook it in the oven, but I can't wait to go into that. Oh, do you have a cast iron? Do you have a cast iron? I do have a cast iron. I haven't used it in a while. So you could sear it in a cast iron. Yeah, so you sear it first,

and then you put it in the oven to cook. Ooh. Yeah. I'm throwing that bitch on the smoker. Okay, yeah, I'm going to okay yeah but how do people get hooked up andrew yeah so you guys can head over to certified piedmontese that's uh piedmontese.com p-i-e-d-m-o-n-t-e-s-e.com and you know i i joked around when we were doing some of these ads before like uh it doesn't really make a lot of sense like they're giving you guys 25 off your order i don't know how they're making money by giving away that much yeah that's

a whole quarter by if my math is correct it is uh you enter promo code power project at checkout that'll give you the 25 off and free two-day shipping on orders of 99 and above also uh thanks to our boys over at perfect keto um i have Perfect Keto bar almost every night because I'm a fat guy. I got a sweet tooth, and those cinnamon roll bars are delicious. And then I've been utilizing some of their other products. They have an MCT powder. They have a vanilla. They have a chocolate.

Those mix up really great in coffee. I'll sometimes throw them in my protein shakes. I'm somebody that's a huge fan of protein shakes still this day and I have one or two every day so I'm utilizing the MCT powder quite a bit and then I've been messing around with their exogenous ketones as well some of the flavoring the flavor profile of those can be a little harsh

and it's not an easy supplement to take, but they also make it in capsules for those of you that don't want to deal with the taste. And then they also made one that I've been mixing in my coffee from time to time. And I found that to be palatable and give me a good supply of ketones. Yeah. I had that this morning. It was the little coffee packets. I put that in my coffee. It was pretty good yeah but so far my favorite product is the key um the collagen ketone protein or whatever salted caramel okay so obviously the first day i had that that shit was good and it was only with water but i had it again last night with milk and oh yo that stuff was good yeah yeah i was so you can mix something like that and like yogurt or something i mean it's like I don't know it just gives you so many options

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I didn't know what to expect I've never had collagen protein before let alone something that's more like keto friendly he was super nervous yeah and then mark was like you get nervous a lot like yes i do yeah i'm surprised walk right over it yeah you do no i'm surprised that the collagen protein because i've had collagen supplements before and when you put them in like water whatever they taste crappy but they're also kind of dusty yeah you know what i mean they don't yeah yeah they're dusty down they don't break down so you know there's none of that residue when you get this collagen protein there's no residue it just mixes really well with water or anything else it's awesome i have a uh i have

a ninja blender but you can also get like uh there's kind of those fusion things or um you know kind of handheld handheld little deals. You got to be careful. Yeah, you got to be careful that it doesn't like, you know, go all over the place. But most of this stuff mixes up a lot better like in a blender and when you have like ice and stuff. But it's convenient that it mixes up just as easily in a shaker cup, which is really nice. But yeah, so they're hooking you guys up also. really nice yeah

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