Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 249 Live - Mark Is Going to Eat Fast Food Everyday This Week
Episode Date: September 17, 2019Has Mark Bell gone off the rails?? During an Instagram Live feed, Mark said he was going to have In N Out or Five Guys burgers everyday this week. We've never heard him say this before, but we like it.... Subscribe to the Podcast on all platforms: ➢https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Visit our sponsors: ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Perfect Keto: http://perfectketo.com/powerproject Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 15% off your order! ➢SHOP NOW: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell Follow The Power Project Podcast ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/MarkBellsPowerProject Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/  Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz #PowerProject #MrOlympia#MarkBell #BrandonCurry
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She's done growing, yeah?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
And it's, I need more of those ribeyes because I don't think I got two of them.
And they're my favorite.
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And it cooks like usually because I'm such a simple dude.
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Typically air fryers or typically I have to cook up ribeyes for about 18, 19 minutes for it to be medium rare. People get upset. They're like, why are you sticking a ribeye in the air fryer. Typically air fryers or typically I have to cook up ribeyes for about 18,
19 minutes
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why are you sticking a ribeye
in the air fryer?
But it's awesome.
Sorry guys.
It really is.
It really is.
But it cooked in like 12 minutes.
Cooked in 12 minutes
and I'm actually going to have to
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cooked a little more
than I wanted it to.
So yeah,
it cooks quick.
And that was like the
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or something like that,
right?
It was the ribeye.
It was the actual,
okay. I do have ribeye cap steaks but it was a full on ribeye cap steak or something like that, right? It was the ribeye. It was the actual, okay.
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Yeah.
I do hate that because you have it in your head, like'm gonna cook this today or you know because like when you pull it
out of the freezer or something you know you gotta wait for it to thaw but when you go to the store
and get it and they don't have it then you're screwed yeah uh yesterday we were talking a lot
about like five guys in and out burger pouring seam over here was fasting i wasn't fasting and
i was like man that five guys sounds good. And I
had some the day before. So I was like, I'm just going to go. And the day before that, I went to
In-N-Out Burger, but been on this keto kick again a little bit more recently. Messed around with a
bunch of different styles of fasting, played around with some of the information from Cole
Robinson. And I wanted to try to get back into ketosis because from what I remember,
it was a lot easier to utilize intermittent fasting once I was producing ketones,
at least for me.
I don't mind having some hunger,
but I honestly don't really like to have a lot of discomfort.
And more so than
discomfort. Um, I just don't like abstaining away from things that I like too much. So like I did
caught, you know, no coffee for a month. And then I recognized like, I just enjoy coffee. And so I'm
just going to, you know, try to have less coffee rather than, you know, drinking five or six cups
a day. So sometimes I'm
like, ah, you know, I, I feel like I'm a pretty good person. I feel like I'm always trying to do
the right thing the best that I can. And so I'm like, well, I don't want to have so much restriction
going on in my life all the time. And so I was like, I'd rather just, you know, go back to eating
a little bit more. So I hopped back on the keto diet and then there's just people that they're
always going to tell you like
how you have to live your life. Like this is the way that you're going to get this.
You know, when you do things this way, this lines up for you that way. I even made a post today
about reading. Like I've, I've never enjoyed reading cause I've always sucked at it. And I
have never even read an entire book, which is kind of sad. I'm not bragging about that fact,
but it goes to show you that you can do things a little differently than people think. And we
talked a lot about that on this podcast many times about maybe you're training for a bodybuilding
show and you're using low reps. Maybe you're dieting and you're using low reps and heavy
weight. There's many different ways of getting things done. And sometimes when it comes to health
and nutrition,
people think that you can't do certain things with flexible dieting is a great
example.
Flexible dieting showed us that you can make room for donuts.
You can make room for cookies and other delicious foods.
And on a ketogenic diet,
you can make room for maybe some things that other people wouldn't normally
think of as diet food.
Now, to make up most of your diet with these foods probably wouldn't be a wise idea,
probably wouldn't be smart.
But you can occasionally hit up some fast food.
You can occasionally cook up some wings or go to like a wing stop and get some buffalo wings
because there's still no carbohydrates in there.
I'm not saying that that's a healthy practice. What I'm trying to communicate here is that probably the most
unhealthy thing that most of us do is just over consume food for long periods of time.
That's where we're going to get inflammation and that's where we're going to run into other
problems, heart disease, diabetes, and so on. You over consume and you under move,
disease, diabetes, and so on, you over consume and you under move, uh, then that's where we're going to really run into issues. So I have kind of proposed this thing the other day on the
interwebs and just said, Hey, you know what? Like, let's all jump on a keto diet for a week.
And during that week, like, let's really enjoy ourselves. Like let's give ourselves something
to really look and look forward to. So whatever fast food place that you dig the most or whatever place you like the most that has, um, something delicious that falls in line with a ketogenic
diet, you know, in this case, it's cheeseburgers. Um, just, you know, go to one of these, roll
through the, one of these places every day and load up, you know, enjoy yourself and, and, uh,
fill yourself up with some food that you look forward to that you're excited about. So I went to Five Guys, and I loaded up.
I got three burgers, no bun, with some cheese on them, and they were fucking awesome.
And the day before that, I went to Five Guys.
The day before that, I went to In-N-Out.
So I strung together three days of it so far and looking forward to doing it the rest of the week.
This is one of the most interesting fitness challenges i've ever heard yeah i've never been more proud of your consistency
the way i am right now but i'm i'm just like wondering like there's probably listeners like
you've been talking about healthy food for months and now you're talking about five guys in and out
how dare you still healthy ish it's still healthy and got to say, like, I'm not a huge fan of like, you know, artificial sweeteners and stuff having like artificial stuff in it.
However, if it's like, and this is a little drastic going every day for a week, this is very unconventional for me.
Like, I don't normally do this and I'm not going to, I mean, I don't think that I'm going to do this for like the whole year. And even if I did do it for the whole year, it's like that's a drop in the bucket when you consider what I've done with my whole life.
And so that's kind of the point here is like we're looking at like dosing.
We're looking at like dosages and you can make an argument that this might be unhealthy or that might be unhealthy.
unhealthy or that might be unhealthy but this is uh what we're talking about here on today's podcast is we're looking at things that are um efficient simple um things to like really look forward to
like what's a keto thing that you can look forward to we can all sit here and say yeah man go home
and cook up a ribeye and that's great but like sometimes you don't want to sometimes you don't
sometimes you're tired and you're like i don't i don't want to sometimes you don't sometimes you're tired
and you're like i don't i don't feel like cooking i feel like eating something different and yes you
can cook up a burger and throw some cheese on it and that can be magnificent but everyone knows
what i'm talking about saying that like something from in and out burger or something from a burger
king or mcdonald's or wendy's gonna taste way, way different. So that's what's on my mind for today.
I feel it.
You know, I can't, I'm wondering, like, okay,
so this is an example.
We talked about this yesterday.
You know, like places like In-N-Out, places like Five Guys,
even like, I don't know if you've ever heard of like Monsoon Burger
or any of these like good quality burger joints, right?
After I eat something like that,'m feeling okay you know what i mean
like um nothing up the stomach it feels all good i go to a place like wendy's i go to a place like
mcdonald's my stomach is torn up so there's like differences in quality you know what i mean like
so i wouldn't go to mcdonald's personally not go to mcdonald's and and like i don't mean i would
never go to mcdonald's because because they have don't mean i would never go to mcdonald's because
because they have chocolate sundaes i think yeah well i think in the last you know the last few
years i think i've been i don't know maybe a couple of times but like i still like the
cheeseburger from mcdonald's but i just get a regular cheeseburger with the bun it's just from
my like childhood like i i remember that same. I would get two burgers, French fries, and a chocolate shake.
And every once in a blue moon, I'll still do that.
But I wouldn't try to utilize McDonald's for what I'm talking about here.
And I don't have any idea of McDonald's business.
I've never tested their meat or I never saw any information about their meat versus In-N-Out Burger.
or I never saw any information about their meat versus In-N-Out Burger.
But I agree with what you're saying is like just for my own stomach's sake,
I know how I react to McDonald's versus In-N-Out Burger and versus Five Guys.
I haven't felt any adverse effects from Five Guys or In-N-Out Burger.
And like, yeah, like when you were saying something to look forward to,
this is where the flexible dieting crowd, like anybody that's a flexible dieter, whatever that's listening to this would be like, yeah, because you from, from time to time, you can make these foods fit your diet. It doesn't mean you have to
count it, but like you could go to in and out, like you said, without the bun and you know,
like have a, have two patties and some cheese and whatever. And it's going to be perfectly okay.
Like, I think I used to be a big Chipotle fan um and i like chipotle a lot because like it's meat
sometimes it's tortilla it's rice it's beans like it's it's there's nothing super out of the
ordinary like you could still go to a lot of these places get decent food and it's not going to wreck
you you know it doesn't have an insane amount of carbohydrates if you are keto like you could go
to chipotle and if you want well
yeah you wouldn't really mess with the rice but you get just like meat yeah yeah yeah meat and
cheese and whatever you could do that there too chick-fil-a is another spot where you could get
like the chicken and whatever that's that's a that's a tough one but yeah they make the uh the
grilled chicken nuggets which i have indulged in but uh dj is huge uh dj the previous guest we
just had on yes uh he's huge on going uh he calls it carnivore keto and he goes to chipotle and he
gets a big old bowl of uh like steak and maybe one or two other uh types of meat yeah and just
a bunch of cheese and guac yeah they have like four or five different types of meat there you
can get a bunch of different meat in a bowl get some like pico on there and some uh you know maybe some
guacamole maybe some cheese and it's like man you're having a party yeah that's delicious that's
gonna taste really good yeah i don't know what they're doing with their rice but like the lime
flavor to it yeah i like it do you not like i love it okay yeah no but i'm just saying like
what about those chips that used to be the bane.
That used to be like, I used to overindulge on those chips because they're really good.
They have like lime on them or something too.
They have lime.
They have lots of salt.
Yeah, and like the salt's stuck on them.
So when you bite into it, it kind of like crunches like, yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Been a minute.
My son's got like a whole technique.
I love this.
I love this. We go to Guadalajara and he gets the chips and then he gets Pico and he takes like the juice from the Pico and like sprinkles it over the chips and then he pours salt on everything.
And it's like the most amazing thing.
And then we still dip it in like the Pico.
But he's getting that salt to like stick on there.
I'm like, man, I'm so proud of you.
Get over here. Let me get a kiss I'm so proud of you. Get over,
get over here.
Let me get,
let me get a kiss.
You're an actual genius. Come here,
junior.
This is unbelievable.
Of course you're my,
you know,
of course you're my offspring,
right?
I mean,
look at this.
It is unbelievable,
your knowledge and skill set over here.
Yeah.
When you're talking about like indulging and like,
you know,
going to the drive-thru and just having,
you know,
within like something that meets the guidelines.
Um, I actually get jealous of anybody who's on a ketogenic diet when it comes to like
morning coffee.
Like I would love to, I mean, we've talked about it a long time ago, how I like overdosed
on a heavy cream.
I had like six ounces or so.
And like, I was, I was just running to the bathroom for three days straight.
Oh, Lord.
But it tastes incredible.
It's so good.
And I'm like, oh, I can't have that much bread in my house.
Joe Bryant estimated that the coffee that he drank had like 900 calories in it or something like that.
Wait, whoa.
Whoa, seriously?
Well, because the way he was making his coffee, he just didn't know.
He was like, oh, and he would just dump in, I don't know, he had like, I don't know, say like a 12 or 16 ounce thing.
And almost half of it was heavy cream.
You know how dense heavy cream is?
Yeah.
And he was rocking with that.
Now memory's coming back.
I think it was just a protein shake, but it was still with that much heavy cream.
Because I don't know if you've ever had it
heavy cream oh my god slingshot protein i have not oh my god i haven't had it's amazing it is
so like it tastes like uh like almost heavy cream ice salt and some water salt too yeah a little
salt okay nice little uh added touch to it mix that up with some slingshot protein and you're
having a party too it tastes like a more throw in your coffee yeah it tastes like a chocolate milk like like a legit
chocolate milkshake like it's really rare for me to say this because i'm fat but i still got you
know such a fat guy mentality but it's almost too much you know what i mean like sometimes when
something hits you and it's like that's amazing but's like, it's almost like overkill to like drink a whole big thing of it.
It's like that.
You're like, oh my God, this is amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I couldn't hold anything down for three days straight because I had so much.
It was so good.
I just want, I was like, oh my God, I want more of this.
Wow.
Like a little kid, you know, I just bit off more, well, tried to bite off more than I
could chew.
Let's give that a shot.
In semen, because your diet's a little bit more balanced.
You have some carbohydrates in there,
but you're still not eating a lot.
Do you, and I know you're not trying to lose weight
and you have a lot of activity,
but do you watch the amount of fat that you're eating?
Like, do you kind of, do you like pay attention
to any one particular thing at all?
Well, since I cook mostly, not really,
because like it, yeah, not,
not really. It's, I don't go overboard though. So that's the thing. Like when you ask if I watch,
the main reason I don't watch is because it's a lot of the same stuff. So I really don't have
to pay attention to it much anymore. If I was like adding a lot of new things to my diet,
maybe I would, or yeah, like at this point it's become so routine. What if you were to add carbs
back in and you just wanted to get a little bit bigger and be a little bit more muscular, would you say, all right, well, I'm going to add another hundred carbs a day. Maybe I should pay attention to the fat or you'd still just kind of.
I keep the fat the same and just increase my serving. Like I'd keep it simple and just increase my servings of carbohydrates. So maybe more servings of rice or more servings of maybe potatoes or something. Um, because the amount of
fat that I use in terms of my cooking is already pretty high as it is. And I keep that just like,
it's pretty consistent. Um, so that's how I would keep it simple. But like, even when I go out to
eat, like if I, if I do like go to like five guys or whatever, because like, if I go there,
then I'm not going to make as much food at home. I don't, sometimes I don't worry about removing
the bun or something. You know what I mean? Because like, I guess like I'm not going to make as much food at home I don't sometimes I don't worry about removing the bun or something you know what I mean because like I guess like I'm able to I do the
same sometimes even on a low carb diet yeah I'll just eat like we go to uh Devere's downtown Davis
sometimes it's like a like a Irish pub and they have an amazing uh burger with a pretzel bun
and it's like how many carbs are in that bun it's probably like maybe 60 yeah
yeah 60 might even be like kind of on the high end and what i'll do too is like i'll eat it and
it's like if i don't feel like i need the whole bun i might pick a couple chunks of it off so
i'm not being like super picky and weird about it but i'm just like well i don't really need
some of the extra bread it's like you want the bread to kind of match up with the meat. And so I'll do that. But if you kind of
think about it, if this is your day to day and, uh, you know, you, you had 150 carbs on this day
and 150 over here, a hundred over here, 150 there, like it's just, it's, it's building up
a consistency, right? It's building up a consistent base, you know, for your particular diet.
And for myself, you know, mine might be a little bit lower, like just kind of depends on the day.
But like that 60 grams of carbohydrates, that might be the most amount of carbohydrates that I would have even over the course of a few days because I might only have like 20 or 30, you know, kind of per day because really my main source, I guess, would be my main source of carbs is probably like Quest bars, vegetables, and really just kind of depends on the mood.
But there might be some wine thrown in there as well.
Yeah.
So it's not there's not a huge amount of carbs coming in. When you were like counting your calories and it was kind of like years ago, if you were to try to like move things around a little bit, let's say you're going to increase the amount of carbs.
And I know that you kind of track everything.
But like if you're going to increase the amount of carbs, would you try to drop the amount of fat? Yes. And that's, that's how you kind of work with some of
your clients and stuff like that, right? That's how I would work with that because like, yeah,
especially like at the time that I wasn't utilizing a lot of fat. So maybe my fats are around 70,
sometimes they'd be 60, 70. They wouldn't really go that much higher. Um, I wouldn't be using much
butter. I'd be using mainly like cooking spray cause like there's barely or not much fat in that.
Sometimes you need to track the amount of fat in that.
And yeah, like most of the fat that first off and I also want to eat much red meat.
I eat a little bit of red meat, but most of my protein was coming from chicken.
That's just to to account for fat calories.
That's to account for fat calories.
to account for fat calories.
That's to account for fat calories.
And if I did have red meat,
it'd mainly be like a lot of ground beef or very lean cuts of steak.
I forgot there was a,
I forgot the cut of steak that I used to eat a lot of.
It's super lean.
I just can't remember it.
Like a New York strip or something?
It's leaner than a New York.
Eye of round steak, those little round,
those are super lean too.
They're like little round,
like almost look like hamburger patties.
Okay.
Maybe it was that, but I would have that.
And then I would have a lot of ground beef.
There's like four grams of fat in there.
It's super lean.
Yeah.
But I would just like, if I was trying to, at that time, if I was trying to get leaner, then I would pay attention to my fat calories, keep them lower.
And then my carbs would like, that's the main thing that I'd be using as my energy
source at that point. But nowadays, because partially because of expenditure and also
because again, I'm on the fairly lower side of carbohydrates. Like again, in the past,
I'd be eating 400, 300 something grams of carbs a day. Now it's rare if I get up to 200, but my
fats can be much higher. And I do like that much more. I feel much better doing that.
but my fats can be much higher. And I do like that much more. I feel much better doing that.
So what was the question here exactly? Well, what I'm trying to lead people to is, is this kind of understanding of we can move stuff around, but one thing that we typically don't
move around, and I'm not going to speak in absolutes because there's, there's many,
many different ways to diet. And there might be reasons why.
Top sirloin, my bad.
Oh, there we go.
Let's keep going.
There might be reasons on why you might want to adjust one thing one way or the other.
But in general, protein is kind of fixed.
Protein is going to equal in grams whatever your body weight is.
You're 190 pounds, 190 grams of protein. And I'm not saying that that's written in stone
and you have to get 190, you're going to lose muscle mass.
I'm not saying any of that.
We know that that's not necessarily true.
But when we're thinking about how to get ourselves full every day,
how to supply ourselves with enough nutrients and things like that,
we're going to just say, for argument's sake,
the protein is fixed and we can't really mess with it up or down too much.
It goes up or down 20, 30, 40 grams.
Not a huge deal, you know, one way or the other.
But over the course of the week, there's some consistency.
If you can, if you weigh 190 pounds,
that you're having about 190 grams of protein every day.
Now here's where we got room to play with stuff.
When it comes to carbohydrates, we can say, you know what,
we're going to go kind of on the lower end of carbohydrates,
but we still need an energy source.
And since we're trying to keep our protein high,
let's have some good cuts of steak.
We'll keep the protein high.
We'll keep the fat.
It's kind of depending on what you did with the carbohydrates.
If you don't have any carbs, you can kind of almost go high fat.
And so now you have some things to play around with.
You've got some things to kind of slide around.
Now, if you're like, man, I do workouts twice a day.
I might need a little bit more carbohydrates.
I don't feel like I'm recovering from my workouts.
I still want to be a little bit bigger.
Well, that's when we would shift the carbohydrates up and we would bring the fat down.
But like you can't bring everything, can't have everything going up.
Yeah.
You know, the standard American diet probably would look more like this for someone who
weighs 190 pounds.
They may get on a good day they may get
100 grams of protein they're probably in the neighborhood of around 300 grams of carbs and
they're probably in the neighborhood of like 200 grams of fat or like 150 grams of fat which all
of that is like man that diet is really fucked like it's just it just needs so many changes right and if people just gravitated
towards let me just try to follow just like one rule these guys say a lot of stuff man they talk
about 10 minute walks and they talk a lot about fasting maybe just try to grasp you're gonna need
more than one rule eventually to continue to make progress but if you just follow one thing
it's like get that protein locked in first let's get that protein about one gram per pound of body weight. Then we can start to
introduce some other things. But that's, that's what I've noticed over the years. And what I've
noticed from talking to so many people, it's like the protein seems pretty fixed. We don't really
have a lot of room to really be effing with that too much. Uh, and if we want to play around with
stuff to get like leaner or bigger, it would be
the carbohydrates and fat. Yeah. And one thing that I think also a lot of people can get from
this, when you were talking about a lot of the food that you have every single day, you mentioned
carbohydrates, you like wine every now and then, but a lot of people may be, I know a lot of guys
that drink a lot of juice because they like juice, right? Sometimes you don't keep track of like the
amount of liquid calories that we get from, or like carbohydrates we get from juices or a lot of this stuff like stan effort and he talks about utilizing
orange juice as vitamin c and when you're bulking right but it's it's structured use he's not just
drinking orange juice like all day every single day so like i don't do i have yeah i don't like
have any calories other than milk right i? I don't have any like carbohydrates
coming from liquids. And that's one thing that also makes it easy to keep it down.
But when you look at a lot of individuals probably have a lot of things in their fridge in terms of
liquid calories that are just like ramping up the total amount of calories they're having each day
and they don't even realize it. You could take that out on its own and it would probably make
a massive difference in terms of like your overall diet.
I think liquid carbohydrates, especially when it comes to like a soda or a juice, it really doesn't get any like more unnatural than that.
Now, if you blended up some oranges at your house, it might be a little different.
It's still going to hold a lot of the nutritional value
of having the vitamin C in it.
The fiber is going to be kind of broken down
and things like that.
But kind of other than that,
I mean, you're really asking your body
to do something that it's not really designed to do.
And I'm not saying we don't do that with other things.
I mean, coffee and things like this.
I mean, maybe we're saturating ourselves
with a bunch of shit that
we shouldn't be doing but i can't think of a i can't think of a um of a thing that you can ask
your body to do that's almost more complicated than than uh you know trying to figure out what
to do with the 60 grams of carbohydrates from a little tiny shot of soda yeah and then you ask
your body to do it like three or four times a day. It might seem kind of innocent.
You're like, oh, I only have like two or three a day.
Or even the sugar you put in your coffee and stuff.
It's like, it's really, now if you're paying attention to the amount that you're using,
one teaspoon of sugar once or twice a day, I don't have a huge problem with that.
If that makes your coffee that much more enjoyable and you really dig that and you're fairly happy with the direction you're going with your diet, then not a huge deal.
But yeah, man, that would be a great place to look is to maybe try to figure out a way.
And that's where like artificial sweeteners can come in.
And I know that there's a big thing about artificial sweeteners, but you mentioned earlier about the cooking spray.
Who the fuck knows what's in a cooking spray?
but you mentioned earlier about the cooking spray.
Who the fuck knows what's in a cooking spray?
I mean, we can try to get fancy and we can try to buy like a coconut oil cooking spray
or whatever, but still,
who the hell knows what's really in
some of these cooking things,
but they don't have hardly any calories in them.
And that's kind of the advantage
because again, if we go back to what I said in the beginning,
probably one of the more harmful things that we're doing
is just like the overconsumption of of food in general would there ever be a scenario where uh in taking in liquid calories
to help meet your macro like to help me because i'm thinking like if i kind of want to switch over
to a keto diet right now just because i you know i need to switch it up something's not you know
working for me right now but i am worried about not getting in enough calories because, as you guys know, it's kind of hard for me when I'm fasting to get all the meals in towards the end of the day.
Calories from fat or carbs?
No, I'm just saying because you said to pull all the liquid calories out. where like okay maybe it is okay for andrew because he's trying to you know uh be in a surplus
to drink whatever you know insert calorie dense right liquid yeah i think i mean right now we're
mainly talking about carbohydrates but um in general it's important to pay attention to the
amount of calories that are coming from your liquids. I would say that, you know, like I've always been
a fan of protein shakes. I've had them, you know, for a long time and I don't mind kind of like
almost like ending a day with that. What I would have a problem with, whether you're trying to
bulk or whether you're trying to lean out, I don't think it makes a lot of sense unless maybe
you're trying to use it to like curb your appetite. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to kind of
fill yourself up with that
stuff during the day.
Kind of a little bit like a protein bar,
like a protein bar is so inferior to just eating like a steak,
you know,
it's not even,
it's not even close.
So if you were to fill your stomach up even a little bit with a protein bar
or two,
I think that you're,
I think it's a negative because I think that you're taking up real estate for otherwise healthy and nutrient-dense food.
You're doing yourself a disservice at that point.
Right.
Yeah.
And I think when I was mentioning liquid calories, it's situational sometimes because I was kind of addressing people that are dropping, trying to lose weight.
They're eating too much food, and a lot of that food's coming from like juice or things that they don't realize. If you're trying to gain, I think it can be
beneficial. Even Stan meant like Stan talks about using, like using orange juice, like in terms of
getting an easier source of carbohydrates and sometimes, um, but I don't think post-workout
even post-workout. Yeah. But it needs to be like, it's really beneficial, but also shouldn't be
used in excess. So there are people that like, you know, maybe they're trying to hit 500 grams of carbs,
but then 200 of those grams comes from juice.
I don't think that that's smart.
You know what I mean?
Like you can utilize that because it's an easy way to get that amount of carbohydrates
in if you're really needing to hit that.
But having it be excess is just way too much.
Yeah.
I'm just thinking because I would like to maintain where I'm at right now and jump on a ketogenic diet. I just want to make sure that
that happens. Yeah. And I think, you know, a good place to do this is usually kind of like at the
end of the day. So again, making sure you're getting in like nutrient dense food, make sure
you're getting in things that you feel are going to move you towards your goal. And then at the end of the day, like if you kind of just want something sweet,
that would be a time you already filled up your cup for the overall nutrients that you need for
the day. You filled up your cup on the amount of calories that you need for the day, got your
protein in, you got everything in, and you just want like a little extra. And especially in your
case, you're trying to gain some weight. I think that's where you would want to kind of put something in is after you already
did all this stuff the right way. But to back up on this just a little bit, you know, and these are
things I've mentioned before, but like the things that we eat when it comes to like a natural food
source, these things are really designed to be eaten in the way that they come to us.
For example, like an orange, an orange, obviously you have to peel, you know, you get rid of the
peel. It's not going to taste very good. But an orange has like five or six grams of fiber in it.
Usually the orange in general might have 30 grams of carbs kind of depending on the size of the orange.
And the majority of that's going to be sugar.
The majority of that's going to be fructose.
The interesting thing is that the orange or any fruit really, it comes with cofactors in it that help you regulate your – it helps regulate your blood sugar.
you regulate your, it helps regulate your blood sugar. So it's designed, uh, to be, to be consumed the way that it's the way that it comes to you. Um, not really designed to be like blended up and
then sit on a shelf for three months. And then, you know, you, you, you guzzle it down 16 ounces
at a time. You know, once you start to guzzle down, you know, 16 ounce thing of orange
juice, you probably ate the equivalent of like five or six oranges that that's kind of like
watered down and stuff. And you no longer have the potassium in there. You no longer have like
the vitamin C in there. You no longer have the fiber in there. All these things, again,
they're cofactors. And you can even kind of look at a whey protein shake the same way,
even though I'm
a fan, that's different than drinking milk. That's different than eating a steak. In my opinion,
the steak and some of these other things are always going to be superior. It doesn't mean
that there's not any room for these other things. It doesn't mean there's not room for amino acids.
It doesn't mean there's not room for like supplementation and stuff.
Even creatine, you know, you can get like, oh, I can get creatine from the meat.
Well, you can also get a nice supply of creatine from just taking creatine.
And you can utilize it that way.
So it's just a matter of just, I think, knowing and knowing what you're up against and knowing what you're facing, I think is important. And I mean, we talk about fasting all the time,
but the biggest thing I think that a lot of people
can get from fasting is like,
I think most of us have somewhat of an unhealthy appetite.
I know that like when I was eating all the time
or like, again, I could eat a lot of food,
even though I could put it down and I was working out
and yeah, like I was getting bigger,
I was also putting on a good amount of body fat
because I really did always feel hungry. And when I look at that, you know, like typically,
like a lot of people say, eat five, six meals a day, starting with a healthy breakfast.
And that breakfast of mine would rev my appetite for the whole day. So I'd be feeling hungry
throughout my whole day. I know that we talk a lot about, you know, if you're, if you do flexible
dieting, you can, you know, you can eat what you want as long as you make it fit.
And even if you eat multiple meals a day, as long as you hit your calories, you'll be
okay.
But the thing is, the main like thing that flexible dieters come across is their appetite.
Like they'll have a few small meals and they'll be nice meals and they'll make it fit, but
they're still always hungry, you know?
So like, that's what I think fasting is so beneficial for.
First off, you understand what hunger is, you become okay with like, that's what I think fasting is so beneficial for. First off,
you understand what hunger is, you become okay with it, but then you're also eating in a limited
amount of time. So you can eat in a quote unquote deficit while still not feeling extremely hungry
after those meals. Like you get used to, I think that's how most people maybe should be eating.
So that you're not like eating everything throughout your day and
you still don't feel full by the end of the day. Cause that's how I would feel.
I agree a hundred percent. And you've said something, you said a couple of things there
that are really amazing. Number one, you said you were exercising a lot and doing a lot,
but you still felt like you were putting on fat and it's easier for people to look at the podcast
now and be like, that guy was putting on fat. But you've gotten leaner.
You've got yourself in a better position.
And what I like about the position that you're in now is that this is fairly easy to you.
You found something that is simple.
You found something that's repeatable.
And early on, one of the first podcasts that all three of us did, we talked a lot about control,
trying to figure out how to gain control.
And I know jujitsu is all about how to control,
how to control your emotions
and how to control your breathing
and how to ultimately try to control the other guy
and get them in a position where they have to submit.
They have to basically give up.
And I think that's what we're all looking for
when it comes to our nutrition, when it
comes to our diet.
If you're someone that has struggled, you're stuck.
You can't lose weight anymore.
You're just like, damn it.
I feel like I'm really trying pretty damn hard.
And if we're all honest to ourselves, we can say, yeah, I could try harder.
But you're like, man, I'm going at like 85%.
When I'm in the gym, I'm busting my
ass. I'm pretty restrictive with my nutrition, but for some reason it's not all, you know,
connecting. And a lot of it's just the appetite. If you can figure out a way to gain some control
of it. And what it seems suggesting is by utilizing some intermittent fasting, maybe you're
somebody that's pretty used to when it's time to
eat, you really love to buckle down and get after it and feel full. Well, if you have some strategy
behind that, you might be able to still do that two or three times a day. You just can't do it
five or six times a day. You still might be able to do it two or three times a day if you utilize
some intermittent fasting. And what I've been suggesting to people for this week of trying some of this keto stuff out is maybe you try to
utilize some bulletproof coffee. And I realize that bulletproof coffee is not really true fasting,
but it's what's called a fat fast where the calories that you're consuming have some fat in
them. The coffee that you're consuming may have some fat in it because it's just something that's trying to give you a little bit more control as opposed to just
drinking water or just drinking coffee if if we can figure out a way to get you to two or three
o'clock in the afternoon then maybe you can kind of earn the opportunity to stuff yourself with
some food just also you know pay attention, pay attention. Like don't,
you know, don't just throw it an entire stick of butter in your coffee. You know, that that's
going to be kind of reckless too. If you're someone that enjoys multiple cups a day, then
you're going to want to pay attention to it. And don't think that there's some sort of magical
potion between the MCT and the butter that's going to light up your brain and make you burn tons of fat.
It doesn't really work that way.
It's just, again, it's something that can just give you a little bit more control.
It's something that's helped me over the years, and it was really, really critical,
me coming down from not so much the heaviest weight but coming down from like 290 when i came down
from my heaviest weight actually the quickest route uh was to try to get rid of um you know
some calories coming from just stupid stuff like uh sugars and and drinks and things like that and
that was the quickest thing and then from there it was a matter of trying to figure out how do i
i got a pretty big appetite man how do i how do i gain control over some of this and and utilizing some bulletproof coffee utilizing some
intermittent fasting uh was was huge huge part of that and also being on a low carb diet because i
think the carbs there's kind of that there's a it's on the internet there's a cycle of uh shows
you this like sugar cycle and it basically shows how the sugar you
know can help can uh spike your insulin levels which i don't think that that's a major thing
that's making people fat necessarily however when your blood sugar goes up your blood sugar goes
down it makes you feel a certain type of way and sometimes uh because of that you end up having
cravings or feel sluggish or tired and you're like man i need
to eat or like man i need there you go yeah this perpetual uh sugar addiction cycle some people
don't even like believe some of this stuff but there's definitely some truth to it i know for
myself 100 uh sugar makes me want to have more sugar like Like I'm not going to eat like a little tiny cup of cereal and be like,
man,
I could really go for steak.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When I,
when I would hear you say that,
like sugar makes me want more sugar.
I'm just like,
nah,
I I'm okay.
I don't need like a cookie and then another one.
But if I touch one of those damn Chipotle chips,
that whole bag is gone.
Yeah,
man.
And you know,
that's what people don't really think about like carbs and sugar like sometimes the connection isn't really there
if you're if you don't know you know really what it's what's it's made out of and that 100 happens
that's uh really good you know like sometimes just need to clear some of this stuff up
anything that you eat any sort of carbohydrate that you eat turns into glucose, a.k.a. sugar, in your blood.
And again, I'm not trying to paint a picture that says carbohydrates are bad because I don't believe that at all.
I don't believe that protein, carbs, or fat, I don't believe any of them are bad.
I just believe that a lot of us have a tendency to overeat.
And right now we're talking about trying to gain control.
And when you're trying to gain control, I think trying to at least pay attention, a.k.a. limit, the amount of sugar that's in your diet would be a great idea.
It's a great documentary on sugar.
I forgot.
Have you seen it?
Yeah.
Well, there's one that calls it, I guess, That Sugar Movie.
That Sugar Movie.
Yeah. Yeah. on sugar i forgot do you have you seen it yeah well there's one called i guess that sugar that sugar movie yeah yeah i mean it just painted a great picture on how like pretty much when you go to the store everything is working against you in terms of the stuff that you buy everything that
you think is healthy has just a ton of sugar in it and what i was actually going to ask you because
if we were to make things simple first off when does the last time you really think like you
you had a by definition of binge?
How long has it been for you?
It's good that you have to think about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's been it's been a little bit like I'm not.
I also want to make sure people understand, too.
I'm not insanely strict all the time.
You know, I fall into these modes where I get real strict.
Like lately, lately I've been a little less strict.
I've actually just was like, because I was trying some fasting, I was trying some like
harder fasting and I was trying some of Cole's stuff, the snake diet guy.
And it was so hard for me to fast in the latter half of the day. So I was
like, man, that shouldn't be that hard. So I'm like, all right, let me back up a second and let
me start over with some of the basics because I should be able to do that. Like I was kind of like,
oh shit, I really struggling with this. And so I backed up and said, let me, let me build into it the same
way I would build into like a heavy squat. I would train for it. You kind of earn that certain amount
of training. You have a training level, you trained up to it. And now you earn this kind of
new level of fitness and you can, you can then train at a completely different level than the
way you were training before. And I think it's sometimes when somebody watches someone like yourself come in here and they're
like, man, he deadlifted 625 for reps.
And then he, he was going back.
It's like, no, no, no, slow down a second.
That's his fitness level.
And it looks crazy to you, but it's not crazy to him.
It's actually very normal for you.
And if we said, Hey, can you do it the next day?
Could you do it the next day?
Could do it the next day? The answer would probably be day could do it the next day the answer would probably be yes you could probably do it for five six if you if you were
doing it for some sort of if you had a real reason why you could probably do it for like 10 or 15
days in a row before you're like all right man i'm i'm kind of over this you know um so you have
to get yourself kind of prepared for each each individual uh thing that
you're about to go into when it comes to uh your nutrition but for me um when i'm saying i'm not
crazy strict it's like i'll have perfect keto bar i'll have a quest bar i'll have a quest pizza
um i might just overeat for a while because i'm like you know i'm kind of getting i'm a little
tired of like fasting i'm a little tired of like fasting.
I'm a little tired of doing, you know, this and that.
And actually, I actually felt really good.
I've put on about five pounds and I feel I feel good.
I feel strong.
But again, this is like a controlled overeating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like a thought.
It's a thoughtful thing.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of binging like, you know, my wife and I, we went to Napa not too long ago.
And, you know, I had some dark chocolate and stuff, but like, it wasn't just in comparison to like, you know, binges that I've done before.
You know, it's like, you know, it was like a, like an event, you know, it was like a, it's almost like I was in like an eating contest, you know?
And, uh, you know, I'd eat cookie dough and pizza and all kinds of crazy stuff, but I haven't done anything like that in a, in a pretty long time, you know, to the point where I
can't really remember. Now, the reason why I asked that is because like right now you have very
different like habits nutritionally than you had in the past. Like first off, you're not eating as
much sugar as you were in the past. Same here. You're utilizing a lot of fasting. What else? What else? You're eating less carbs. And I think even for myself, when I think back to when I was doing competing for bodybuilding and I was counting a lot, I was counting utilizing flexible dieting, but I was trying to make fun things fit for myself.
was trying to make fun things fit for myself. Like I would, I would allow myself to eat some ice cream here and there. I was doing slightly higher carbohydrate, lower fat. And I mean,
even at the stages where I was as lean as I am currently, I still had quite a few binges where
I'm like, literally, like I couldn't stop myself from eating because my appetite was just like,
I just really wanted to eat everything in sight at this point now. Like I'm still lean,
but the biggest habits that I have now are first off less sugar.
So I'm like,
I don't have nearly as much sugar as I used to.
I'm aware of my bad habits.
So I'm aware like if my girlfriend wants it,
she's like,
Ooh,
let's get some butter cookies.
I'll make sure that there are other people that will take some too.
So that only gets mentioned.
Yeah,
that's my shit.
But I could keep something man, but I'll make sure that there's other people who can take some too. So that only gets mentioned. Yeah, that's my shit. But I could keep something man,
but I'll make sure that there's other people who can take some too, because I know that if there
aren't, I'm going to eat the whole thing. Right. So I don't keep that stuff around me, but also
less overall carbohydrates doesn't drive my hunger as much as it used to. And then fasting allows me
to like eat in a smaller period of time. So I like literally, even though like in the past,
if I was this lean, I would, I would be binging quite often. Now I can't remember the last time
I had a real binge that like in a binge, I mean like I can't stop eating or I have this drive to
eat as much as I possibly can. I think it's just because of these big habits that we have in line.
Yeah. It makes a huge difference. What do you do if you're just
like dying for like, say like a burrito or tacos or pasta or like whatever, you know, whatever thing
like hits you, what do you usually just say? All right, well, put it in the back of my mind.
I'm going to go eat that a couple of days. That's the thing though. Like I'll, because again,
typically if I have that feeling or if i really
want that that's something that i've thought of earlier in the day and since i fast mostly every
single day i know that i can have that and then i'll just make my next meal a little bit smaller
you know what i mean so it's not like something that i have to plan for you just go and you do
it i just go and i have it like and the thing is is like it'll be like again it'll be like a burger
or something or if even if it's a burrito
because i haven't eaten already throughout my day or i'm not eating you believe in eating sandwiches
sandwiches wait how do you know that because i don't like sandwiches yeah yeah oh okay yeah i
don't like sandwiches um he told me he told me black black people don't eat cold cuts he's only
nah we really don't you will it's true you won't see
many of us have like cold sandwiches that is disgusting subway won't work why yeah why would
you eat cold meat yeah because it's cheap yes that's the good no but a big old roll though like man roll yeah so that's what
uh people make uh sandwiches out of it's like a big like oh yeah those things football yeah no i
go to subway but i'd always get their like hot sandwiches as a kid like their hot pastrami or
their italian whatever chicken bacon ranch was delicious wasn't that warm too yeah yeah yeah it
was just basically it's just a pile of ranch with bacon and chicken yeah but i think no this is the
this is the like this is where i think like fasting really comes in line because let's say
that you've already built the habit of not eating for most of your day so you only fast for 16
right 16 hours in it 4 p.m rolls around? And you do want like a burger or something.
Well, now, I mean, you're probably going to sleep at 10 or 11. You know that you could go out and
get yourself a burger without a bun or with, depending on your type of diet. And then if
you make a meal later, you're just not going to make a massive meal. But if you've already
eaten breakfast, you've had a snack at work, you've had something else, and now you're like,
fuck, I really want a burger. All of that that's been adding up throughout your day,
already like it's driven so much of your appetite. and like, yeah, you might still go get it, but now you've already eaten so much food, which is why I think it makes such a big difference. That's how it was for me in the past. Like I eat a healthy breakfast because I wake up and I make my food right. And I'll eat another meal and another meal. And then because I'm already so hungry during the day, I'm like, damn, I do want a burrito, but I've already eaten so much food that if I go get it now, fuck it, I'm gonna go get it anyway.
So now I've eaten so much, you know, so I think that's where the big difference lies.
Something to be aware of, too, if you feel like you're getting a lot of cravings like this, this I would imagine happens to you just sporadically.
And it's probably not all that often. Right.
If if it is something that's starting to happen to you more often then
you have to question your plan you got to go back and say it's almost like if you're not recovering
recovering from your workouts like man my back is still really tight from that last deadlift session
well maybe you did a couple too many sets maybe your form you got to go back and investigate like
what was wrong so if you're starting to really be like overwhelmed with
a lot of uh cravings then you need to kind of go through a checklist you know am i getting enough
sleep um am i eating enough like maybe you're just eating way too little like maybe you're just been
on this perpetual thing of like trying to be skinny and and you can't do it that way you're
gonna have to like kind of lose some weight in stages for those that are trying to lose weight.
And you have to kind of ask yourself some questions about, am I getting enough nutrients?
Is there enough, a wide array of food?
Like if you're only eating meat, there could be some potential that you're missing out on some nutrients.
I believe that meat has just about everything in it, but maybe you need to eat some eggs.
Maybe you should eat some vegetables.
Like everyone's going to be a little different when it comes to these things.
So,
and maybe you're just too deprived.
Yeah.
Like maybe you're just eating meat and you're,
maybe you are really doing good.
Maybe you lost 30 pounds,
maybe you're kicking ass,
but you're like,
man,
I'm getting really nailed by these cravings.
And so that's when you're going to have to,
you know,
investigate,
you know,
what, what's maybe missing from your diet.
Something I find really interesting is a lot of people will say when I talk about fasting and say, oh, you never try fasting?
I'm like, well, I usually kind of like don't eat breakfast.
There's some big differences with intentionally fasting.
And for some people, they just heard you say 16 hours as if it's no big deal.
And some people probably crap their pants by, oh, my God, 16 hours.
I'm going to die.
For those of you that do miss breakfast on occasion, it's really just asking you to kind of ride it out a little bit longer than that so like you would miss breakfast eight or nine o'clock and then you would skip uh your
lunch 12 or one o'clock and then it would be three four whatever that whatever the math would work
out right and now you're already there so it's it's not it sounds. Like we know it sounds bad because we were both – fasting is dumb.
We thought it was stupid.
Now we talk about it nearly every single show because we're trying to get you guys to understand this is a great tool.
And not everybody needs to do it.
And it may not work great for everybody.
But this might not work for people's schedule or whatever.
But, man, it's a powerful tool.
And when utilized properly, it could really help help you get headed in the right direction fast.
Yeah. And like this is like this is coming from a place of doing a lot of different things like dietarily in terms of my habits.
Like I tried eating multiple small meals a day, which would just rev up my appetite more. And I never felt good after those meals.
You know, um, I did like, just like bigger meals throughout the day, but because I was eating
throughout the day, my hunger, I was always feeling hungry throughout my whole day. And that
was my big thing. That's the big thing I didn't know how to fix. Why is my appetite still going?
Even though I had such a massive meal a few hours later, I'm hungry again. And like, again, for me, because of how much I can eat, this is the one thing
that's been able to work for me getting used to feeling hungry and not like not having it be a
problem. Just eating some better meals later on in the day. That's the only way I've been able to
control my hunger and my appetite. And that was the thing I never really
thought I'd be able to get control of. So I think that's something to think about there.
A buddy of mine, he had posted something on his Instagram and I didn't agree with it. And I kind
of have my own response to it, but I was just curious what you guys thought. His post basically
said, Americans have been intermittent fasting for years. Basically, the American who doesn't have enough time for breakfast, like yet we still have the obese epidemic.
Like, so please someone explain why intermittent fasting works.
The thing is, I think you're kind of your buddy maybe has it a little bit twisted because, yeah, if Americans, most Americans with bad dietary habits, right, that are overweight, let's say they do skip breakfast.
They typically have really just what were the big concepts that we were talking about?
Less sugar overall, which drives hunger, especially like for us.
I know that.
I mean, less overall carbohydrates doesn't mean you're eating none, but less in general.
When they make certain food choices, that drives their hunger for their next
meals. What did Mark just mention when he was talking about sleep, right? Most of these Americans
also get really, really bad quality sleep. What happens when you get less sleep? Ghrelin,
your hunger hormone is skyrocketed. Leptin, your satiety hormone, which tells you when you're
to stop eating is lower drastically. What happens with americans that skip breakfast when they start eating they don't stop and they get overweight so yeah if you do intermittent fasting cool it's a
tool but then if you also don't get enough sleep right and you're trying to fast your fast is
going to be harder and when you break your fast you're going to start eating and you won't be
able to stop eating yeah this there's just like certain big habits you need to have in line that's
going to make everything kind of fall into place yeah and it's just as simple as like food choices right yeah like yeah if they
are skipping breakfast but then they're still going to have the donut once they get to work
so but i just it just kind of stopped me in my tracks because i was like wait that does make
sense and i'm like well no it's kind of like nitpicking a little bit you gotta think a little
bit deeper like about it because like if if I just did fasting, right.
And I was still eating the same,
same way I was eating the past,
I'd be probably having binge sessions here and there.
After I start,
I'd still be,
you know,
eating a full thing of Ben and Jerry's at night because I think that's okay
because I make it fit,
but it still isn't necessary.
It's overall,
it's not the best way to go about things.
Just got to figure out cereal.
That's the one thing that gets me. There's also, you know, there's overall, it's not the best way to go about things. Just got to figure out cereal. That's the one thing that gets me.
There's also, you know, there's a price to pay for everything, right?
Like, so it just costs a certain amount to be in good shape.
And I'm not talking about like financially,
but it just, it costs you a certain amount of time.
It costs you a certain amount of effort and no one gets a free pass.
Somebody might get a little bit more of a free pass because of genetics or somebody might get a little bit more of a free pass because they exercise a lot or because they have a lot of muscle mass.
But no one gets away with just not following some simple rules to nutrition.
So you can't, you know, some of these, the guy mentioning, Americans have been intermittent fasting, it's a joke really because people are eating pretty late at night probably and then they're sleeping and they're getting up a little bit later than they wanted.
They have a food hangover or maybe a literal hangover.
They're getting their job later than they wanted to get to.
They have some other stress.
Maybe they got an argument or something like we all have these stresses.
We got these outside stresses, but some people have these outside stresses, but they don't
have they're not making a plan.
We all have these stresses and we all have days we're like wow like that was really
foolish of me i i was kind of behind the whole day you know and you might have three or four
days that are like that and you're like man that was that was not smart like i need to i need to
get my shit together i need to get to bed a little earlier i need to you know prep a meal i need to
but you can you'll you'll talk to yourself about it you You're like, I need to like fix my shit up.
You know, I need to clean myself up.
I need to call my training partner and make sure I get to the gym on time.
And some of these things to kind of make sure that your disciplines are back in line.
We all kind of fall out of place, fall out of line.
But I think what ends up happening is people are going to bed a little bit later than they should.
They're waking up a little bit later than they should.
They're trying to rush out the door.
And so they didn't have a breakfast.
They might have had coffee with some sugar and some cream in it.
So they already got some sugar in.
And I'm not saying sugar is the devil, but sugar can help create a problem when it comes to cravings.
And it can create a problem when it comes to trying to figure out how to gain control over your diet. And it's now 12 o'clock. They're already behind at work.
They're trying to go through a bunch of emails. They just got out of a meeting. They are starving.
They don't have time to get to anywhere for lunch yet. And they know that they're not going to go
until like one or two o'clock. That's intermittent fasting intermittent fasting right the last meal was at 10 o'clock at night they went to bed at 11 somebody somebody comes
up to them said hey dude want to go to lunch and like yeah man let's go i am dying and they go
somewhere and they eat a bacon cheeseburger and they smash some fries they eat all that crap right
they go back to work they feel way worse they feel way worse eating
than they did when they were starving like when they were starving they were kind of alert they
were like yeah i'm really fucking hungry and now they came back to work and they can't even really
work they're super tired super sluggish they don't get through half the work that they're supposed to
they got there late in the first place they got all this shit on their plate that they have to then take home with them and they get home their last meal is that you know
they had that lunch at like two and now they're home at like 6 30 7 o'clock they got all life
stresses hitting them in the face and boom they overeat again and not only do they overeat but
they have some cookies and stuff like that before they go to bed and then it's just like let's
restart the whole cycle again.
Let's just pretend that none of that happened yesterday because today is a new day, right?
It's a new day, you know?
Take everything, just sweep it under the old refrigerator.
No one's ever going to move the fridge.
No one's ever going to see that.
And that's where all that shit's going to like lie each and every day.
And it's like, no, it doesn't work that way.
You're still going to like lie each and every day and it's like no it doesn't work that way you're still going to accumulate uh calories you're still going to accumulate body fat uh by eating that way and
then the cascade of of uh of hormones and stuff that you're you're signaling your body to do all
the wrong shit intermittent fasting and intentional fasting and and having a deliberate reason on why
you're doing it is way, way different than that.
If I'm going to give you something that you can kind of take home and something that you can
really pay attention to, I just wrote down a couple things that Nsema and I just mentioned.
We talked about, so if you're going to mess around with some fasting, here's some ways to
make it easier. And even if you're not going to mess around with fasting, here's some ways to
gain control over your nutrition.
We talked about protein being fixed.
Let's not mess with that.
Get in the amount of grams of protein that you need per day.
If you weigh 190 pounds, get in 190 grams of protein every day.
Work on eating less carbohydrates.
Less carbohydrates, less sugar, maybe more specifically.
But, you know but work on paying
attention to the amount of carbohydrates that you're eating. And if you're trying to fast,
then having less carbs and more fat makes the whole process a little easier.
So we're going to keep the protein high. You might want to keep the fat kind of high because
you're lowering the carbohydrates. We want to make sure we have enough energy. You want to make sure you're sleeping properly because if you're not
sleeping properly, you're going to make bad decisions. You're going to be fatigued every
day. Fatigue makes cowards of us all. You're not going to be able to face when somebody comes up
to you at 1.30 to go to lunch and they say, let's grab a burrito. You're going to say,
fuck yeah, because you're worn down from the day, day right you're not going to be able to say oh man no i'm you know i'm i got a ribeye that i need to heat up in the microwave
you're not going to be able to you're not going to have the strength to do it when you're tired
and the last thing is just hydration you know make sure you're drinking water make sure you're
adding some salt to your food because in the absence of carbohydrates it makes you know
having that electrolyte balance that much harder.
Yeah.
Again, having a plan.
Our boy Matt here over at Super Trading, he's dropping right now.
And I saw him the other day.
He brought in a big old cooler filled with all of his different food, his Monster Mash, because he knows that he has to commute from work.
He has to come train here.
He doesn't have time to cook.
So it was all planned out and prepared.
He had everything done. I'm not saying you need to meal prep everything,
but if you know that you're going to have certain hurdles that you have through your day, right?
You know that maybe you wouldn't be able to fast until after work.
So you're going to need a meal at work.
Have something, make something so you can have it at work
rather than ending up going out to lunch with somebody
because you don't have any food on hand.
And then it's an excuse to go eat something because you didn't make any food.
Have a plan on hand.
It will make everything so much easier. Yeah. When you have
that food close to you, it's probably going to put you at ease. I mean, to be brutally honest,
when somebody is really heavy, like the last thing they need to do is lug around any food
with them at all. Like they probably just shouldn't eat as our boy Cole points out. Right.
But we also know that's a recipe for disaster because you're going to like not eat for, you know, 20 hours and you're going
to be starving and then you're going to, you know, be facedown in a pint of Ben and Jerry's
and you're going to kind of repeat that cycle again. And so having food that's healthy for you,
but it's on hand, it's close, it's still good, it still tastes good. Alter your diet to make sure it's
stuff that you actually like. We just said that you can kind of manipulate the carbohydrates
or the fat. So let's say you don't really dig fatty food. You don't like, maybe it just feels
like it takes too long to digest. It sits in your stomach weird or you've never even liked steak.
You know, you don't like that. There's some people that don't like those kinds of foods. Some people don't like bacon or eggs. Like these are all things that I
really find to be amazing, but some people don't enjoy them. So if you don't enjoy them, maybe your
diet looks different. Maybe you eat leaner types of meat, or maybe you don't even eat any meat at
all, but maybe you're more of a carbohydrate person. Maybe you're more of a, uh, like a
vegetarian or a vegan,
whatever the case is, find what, what feels good and tastes good to you. And then just sort of gravitate towards that. But if you're going to have the carbs high, you probably need to pull
the fat down a little bit. Yeah. Let me ask you this. Do you, are you aware, or do you know if
like your palate has changed now versus maybe when you were 300 something versus before?
Because it seemed like you could always eat fatty food, right?
But you also eat a lot of carbs.
What's changed in terms of what you actually enjoy or what you notice in terms of the food you eat?
I think definitely my palate has changed, but my mindset has also changed.
You know, I can look at I can look at like Doritos and just be like,
that's just not, that's not part of any plan that we have. And it's not, and also I can, I've,
I've kind of weighed out most of these things to the point where I'm like,
it's just not worth it. Like I like Doritos, it's like anybody else, but I actually like
sweets better. So if I'm going to cheat, like I want it to be, I want it to be worthwhile. If I'm going
to be following my plan, following my diet, I want it to be worthwhile. Like I don't, I'm trying to
think, um, there's no, I don't, there's no food that I eat that I don't like. You know, I, I like
them all. They taste good. Um, they make me feel good. And so it's like, I don't feel like when I'm eating a steak, I'm like, man,
I wish I was eating something else. Like I'm really enjoying it. And so, yeah, my palate has
changed a lot over the years. And luckily for me, and this is a probably a big issue with a lot of
people. So before I weighed three 30, um, I, I was, I was pretty healthy.
I was pretty health conscious.
I was already into all this shit.
I was already lifting a lot and I was already way into it to the point where like I could just eat spinach pretty much just by itself.
Like I liked the taste of spinach.
I liked the taste of raw almonds.
I learned over a period of time, I learned to really start to enjoy that.
learned over a period of time, I learned to really start to enjoy that. I read an article a long time ago and it talked about how, um, people don't even understand like what spinach tastes like by itself
or people don't even understand, uh, what, uh, like an almond tastes like by itself. They only
know it's salted and roasted and everything else. Right. And so I remember, you know, reading that,
I was like, ah, they're talking to me, but I wasn't even fat that I was in? And so I remember, you know, reading that, I was like, they're talking to me.
But I wasn't even fat that I was in good shape.
I just, you know, everything I ate at the time
had artificial sweeteners in it,
or I was pouring, you know, teriyaki sauce on stuff
or soy sauce or like,
I was always trying to like alter the flavor,
mustard, ketchup, you know,
whatever way I could like make something,
you know, quote unquote, taste better.
Even like a steak is a great example.
You know, what, what's the best way to have a steak?
Best way to have a steak is with like nothing on it.
Some salt and pepper, maybe, maybe some butter, but like a steak is amazing.
Yeah.
If you go to a fancy, fancy ish restaurant and it's a place that caters to older people, it's interesting because older people and younger people are the same.
When you're like 60 plus and when you're like seven and under, it's like the same palette.
And I think you'll notice that at those places, they'll throw a lot of crap on top of the steaks, like a lot of sauces and stuff.
And you're like, why in the fuck would you throw a bunch of crap on top of the steaks like a lot of sauces and stuff and you're like why in the fuck would you throw a bunch of sauce on top of steak like what is you know maybe
on the side maybe you dip some of it in there and you get a little flavor on there but it's like man
what are you doing throwing the sauce all over everything but i think that a lot of people's uh
palate are just you know they're they're used to that but a lot of those a lot of a lot of people that are older
they uh they have maybe really never learned how to enjoy some of these flavors and it makes it
does make it easier to get the food down but i would say like for most people i think just
try to take a big ass step back only put on the food which you really think you need
and ask yourself like do i really like you
really need it yeah like don't be such a pussy all the time like do you really need that do you
you know try to try to weigh out like what is this all uh what does this all really look like
do you need to put like ketchup on your hamburger or can you just eat it you should be able to eat
it plain you should be able to learn what the actual hamburger tastes like so yeah that was a huge hurdle to get past is um you know kind of changing my taste buds but
luckily for me it was like changing it back to where it was in the beginning and what you said
last was was like what really made sense to me there or everything made sense but that's what
i was getting at because i think uh who's the fighter that we had on here who has the bear, he has a son
named bear or whatever. Oh yeah. Yeah. Kyle Kingsbury. Um, when he came on, he was talking
about how like barrel have a cookie or whatever and be like, eh, that's chill. Sweet. Right.
Well, what I realized that it was a few months ago when I think I had like a milkshake or something
and like when I had it, that was like one of the first times where I was like, damn, this is sweet as hell.
Like I started feeling like really at the back of my fat.
I was like, this is tiring.
Like to really take it down took some effort because I was like, God.
But in the past, I used to put that down so easily.
It was an in-and-out strawberry vanilla milkshake.
And this time I got one of the normal sizes.
But in the past, I would get an extra large because in their milkshakes, like if you get a large, they'll give you a smaller cup. So you
have to get an extra large for the real large cup. And I used to be able to down that strawberry
vanilla milkshake, like nothing. And it would just, it would just go down. Right. But I had
one of the smaller ones and I was having, and I was like, God, this is so sweet. And I was like,
wait, I did. I never really realized how sweet this was in the past? Right. And it's like the getting,
you're getting past that point and getting yourself to a point where it's, you almost
don't like having too much of that stuff. You can have some of it, but having too much of it
is tiring. That's how it should feel. And I think that's trying to build to that or get there
where, cause it's not normal to have that much sugar is what's difficult for a lot of individuals
because they don't cut it out in the first place. Yeah. Like have you had a soda in the, like in the
last, like, you know, whatever, 10 years. That's one thing that I actually never really messed
with. I've never messed with soda that like, yeah, I've never really messed with soda. I was
never allowed to have soda as a kid. So having it as an adult was like, yeah, as kids, like we,
we didn't, we weren't not allowed to have it, but we just, we didn't gravitate towards it. But yeah, after not having it for several years and then I accidentally grabbed like a water cup, but there was Sprite in it. Yeah. And I was like, Oh my God, like my teeth were falling out. Like it's bad. Yeah. It's crazy.
kid, like sometimes, or like if our parents like aren't really, I guess, helping us that much with our nutrition or whatever, and we're eating whatever, um, as adults, like you kind of do
the same thing. Or if they're holding that stuff back from you as adults, you're like, Ooh, I can
have all the Oreos and all of this that I want. You know, you don't really necessarily understand
why. So you have to learn that stuff on your own. Yeah. I think some of it you're trying to get yourself to a point where eating good makes you feel exponentially better than the feeling that you get from eating bad.
Like eating bad, you might be able to start to associate with like kind of feeling bad.
I don't always get that all the time.
Like I don't always like, you know, I don't just like eat something unhealthy and then like my stomach hurts or something like that. But at the same time, like I just I know what's associated with with that. You know, I know what's associated with going in and killing a pizza.
It might just be something that I don't want mentally at that time because I don't want to deal with like the mental disappointment of the fact that I like wanted to go and do that.
So it's sometimes a little hard to kind of weigh out mentally and to like not make yourself a little crazy over some of these cravings sometimes because you should be like, OK, well, it's OK to go get some some pizza you know yeah here and here and there um
but i think that you know once people start to feel once people start to not feel bad anymore
i guess that's my main point it's like once people start to not feel shitty anymore they're
gonna be like i don't want to really ever feel that way again and so you know that like it can
be a slippery slope you can go through more than one day of like eating crappy.
And once you start to do that again, you're going to start to feel the way that you used to.
I get that question a lot.
People are like, man, you must feel great now.
I'm like, well, I've always felt pretty good.
But when I was bigger, I don't think I even really realized all the different challenges and all the different things that I felt all the time.
Like my,
I remember my lower back was just constantly super tight. I didn't have a bad lower back,
but it was just always crazy, crazy tight. And it wasn't like I woke up one day at 240 pounds
and I was like, oh man, my back feels great. It was, um, it was a slow burn. It was like a slow
boil, you know, to kind of like start to feel better it took it took it took years really it took it took a long time and then i i didn't notice that i felt great
i noticed that i didn't feel bad anymore and that's that's going to be kind of the trick for
people is like how can you you're not going to all of a sudden feel great from eating great
um and just like i just mentioned too like you're not going to all of a sudden feel great from eating great. And just like I just mentioned too, like you're not going
to all of a sudden feel bad just from eating bad. It doesn't really always work that way. It's not
really like a one-to-one ratio, but over a period of time, you start to lose weight. People will
give you a pat on the back. You'll feel great about that. And that, that will last a little
bit and that will help carry you for a little bit. But after a while, when you start to eat those shitty foods, it starts to kind of infiltrate your morals, the values that you have towards reaching some of these goals.
Once you start to reach some of those goals, that's really going to build a lot of momentum.
And you're just like, I don't want to go backwards.
It's not even so much about just the craving towards the food.
It's more like, no, man, I'm heading this way.
That's the direction I want to go.
I don't want to go backwards.
What you got over there, Andrew?
I was just checking out.
We have an upcoming release of a certain strong sleeve.
Oh, my God.
I thought it was a shirt. no the shirt there's yeah in conjunction with yeah that'll be september 26th though
we have a bunch of stuff coming out i don't know what stuff you're talking about yet
yeah i don't know i maybe i'll hold off on explaining exactly what it is but i was just
reading an email that's what i was getting at but uh somebody in the i can't figure out who it was uh they had mentioned they'll they'll do a 24-hour fast and then just eat you know normal the next day because
when they intermittent fast they can't get in enough calories you know and i you know because
it's hard uh for me like if i try to stuff my face like it can be clean or bad calories i just feel
gross if i hit my calorie intake whereas you feel gross if you hit
your calorie yeah like i just i feel like i'm eating non-stop for those eight hours oh yeah
okay and so the thought of doing this like doing an entire day and then the next day eating like
normal i think is very powerful i wonder when you say but, so if you're trying to grow, right? I guess like you'll just have to make sure on that next day to eat more food than you typically would in those two days. Because when you think about it, like you're still going to need a certain amount of overall food in the span of X amount of days to be moving forward in terms of your muscle gain. Right?
be moving forward in terms of your muscle gain, right? So if you eat, if you fast fully one day and then eat the next day, that next day, you should be eating a little bit more food.
If over time you're still trying to, trying to gain, that's what I, that's what I see.
Yeah, no, it makes sense.
Yeah. Like I know, I know that feeling, feeling a little gross. I just say, I mean,
open up the window a little bit, even it doesn't have to be 16 hours. I mean,
it could be 12 hours, you know, like that'll just give yourself more time to eat well there's so many different ways of getting
your calories and i think throwing some like butter on some rice like wouldn't make you
necessarily feel gross yeah it's just gonna add gonna add a good amount of calories gonna taste
amazing it's great it tastes so i mean it tastes so good and it's uh it just yeah it depends on
the kind of maybe some of the strategy that you use and the type of food that you use to kind of get you there.
But, yeah, I guess I see your point because you're condensing everything down in like two or three meals.
Yeah.
It might be a little bit harder.
But also I would say that that would probably go away in the course of like three days or so because your appetite is going to be really good every time you get to those meals.
Yeah.
And then also, too, when you come off of a fast, like eating something too fast can sometimes mess you up.
So meal number one might need to be a little bit smaller, a little bit slower, and then you might have to have a little control going into that first one, and the next two might be a little bit smaller, a little bit slower. And then you might have to, you know, have a little control going into that first one
and the next two might be a little easier.
Yeah, that's why I really like intermittent fasting
because it does, it makes,
it gets you pretty pumped up for that first meal.
And you're right.
I think I do go overboard every single time
I touch that first couple of bites.
You know, I just like, oh my God, it's go time
because I don't really get that feeling a lot.
So to have it, I'm like trying to take advantage of it.
Yeah. So, but yeah, I think, I don't really get that feeling a lot. So to have it, I'm like trying to take advantage of it.
So, but yeah, I think, I don't know.
I also want to start looking at like the weekly calorie intake.
You had mentioned this before in the past, you know, like you kind of like save up credits for something later down the road.
Yeah.
I think that'd be like an even easier way for me to make sure I'm getting all my calories
in.
Yeah.
It's definitely a good strategy. be like an even easier way for me to uh to make sure i'm getting all my calories in yeah it's
definitely a good strategy just like you know whenever whenever people learn about that just
make sure to use it responsibly because when you know that you have you have 500 grams of carbs to
work with that gives a lot of people an excuse to try and fit in a lot of crap a lot of like high
sugary stuff or whatever that they don't necessarily need a lot of.
And again, it's not like we're saying that's evil in this show.
It's just like, like, not like I'll never have any of that type of stuff, but I'll have
much less of it than I did in the past.
And I don't feel like I crave as much as I did in the past.
So I got a great solution for you to not worry about calories.
Don't count them.
That too.
Don't track them. weigh yourself that too weigh
yourself i didn't eat enough yesterday i weigh less yeah yeah i know i'm just trying not to lose
all this that i've worked my ass off to gain just making sure you're eating enough protein too
like like that that's one thing because protein can can fill you up so much that's that's one
reason why most people only eat like you mentioned 100 grams of it a day yeah you know because protein can can fill you up so much that's that's one reason why most people only eat
like you mentioned 100 grams of it a day yeah you know because it can be really filling so you want
to make sure you're getting in enough of that too it makes sense each goddamn protein andrew i am
i need a lot all right yeah that's actually been the easiest uh thing to make sure i hit every day
is plenty of protein cool every. Every meal I eat is
surrounded around meat. So you're trying to keep your weight up or you're trying to gain weight.
What you trying to do at the moment? I am just trying to maintain not sorry. No, to be honest.
Yeah, I am definitely still trying to put on more weight, but I'm not stressing over it the way I
was before. And I think that's kind of set me back a little bit.
So right now I'm just trying to make sure I remain above 190 pounds. I wake up around 192 every day. Um, when I gets like under one 90, that's when I start eating more exactly like
what you just said. Uh, and oftentimes it is like running to Chipotle and getting, you know,
double, double wrap, double protein burrito double wrap that's
so good i used to do that oh it's the best but that shit always put me to sleep dude that was
coma food for me josh said the same thing it kind of fired me up yeah do you not feel sleepy after
eating that no dude that would always just knock me out i would just feel so tired. So yeah. But, um, yeah, I'm just trying to make
sure I do not lose. I feel like I've been above one 90 for so long now I've owned it.
I really just don't want to go below that though. Um, strength wise is definitely going down. Um,
because I'm not focusing on it as much like yesterday I did a ton of, uh, uh, you know,
upper body work and it felt really good
like i had a really good pump after yesterday's workout but i didn't go for like a one rep max
so naturally my strength is going to start uh you know dwindling a little bit but as long as i can
remain above 190 pounds then i'll be ecstatic yeah yeah I think it's a lot of mental stuff there too. Yeah. I got a lot of stuff going on.
Not negatively.
Not,
let me like that.
I mean like,
just like the drive towards it.
You know what I mean?
That's all.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think your weight,
I think,
I think it,
it probably wouldn't move that much anyway.
Like,
because you're attached to like weighing,
you know, 190. way in you know 190 yeah um you know you might freak out if it went to like 187 or 185 but like it probably you
probably have like a new set point to where you're not all of a sudden gonna wake up at 178 yeah i
mean like goodness you have a 10 pound swingpound swing between 185 and 195 probably.
And regardless of kind of like what you do in the course of like a day or two,
probably won't matter much, but maybe in the course of like a month or months
would probably matter more.
I mean, I think, Insima, you've been a similar-ish body weight for a while now, right?
Yeah, I weighed myself the other day when I was here Saturday.
I was like 248. So like that's the thing that like i'm not dropping anymore this this
has been my weight for like more than seven eight months now it's just been 245 to 250 and i've been
where i'm at for like i mean i with the exception of the bodybuilding show there were some points
where i was pretty like depleted and you know i got all
the way down to like 220 pounds at one point um but competed at 235 i'm 245 now and i i weighed
240 when i was 16 so it's like it's like a it's like a set point for me yeah when my body's just
like you know it keeps going i can get to like 230 and then i creep back up but it's just kind of
you'll get you kind of get like a set point and you just you get kind of stuck there you know
yeah so with the uh the ketogenic diet in mind the one pound per protein you said that that
sticks no matter what right yeah i would do like one uh one gram of fat one gram of protein okay
yeah just do this so so it's it's a lot of fat
but again it's like it all depends on how you you know how somebody wants to get there like
you can make it as gross as you want by trying to eat like really really fatty foods or you can just
have uh you know throw a little bit of oil um in your food and and some people overdo it they they
drown everything and in tons and tons of oil and
it's like you don't you don't need to go that far you can even just get some like even just getting
chicken wings like you don't even have to put a bunch of stuff on them but like the skin like
that's there's a lot of fat in that skin and it tastes to me it tastes good i love that part of it
yeah i love that yeah i think uh yeah i just remember really trying to put like MCT oil
on everything
and your hands
are always like
leaving fingerprints
everywhere
because you got
oil on everything
your shaker cup
is like slippery
and stuff
I don't miss that part
fat everywhere
yeah
but I do miss
some of the food
and I
yeah I just miss
the fulfilling
without the bloat
yeah it's fun
that's really good
and I think just doing
like a you know because think just doing like a,
you know,
because I was doing like the vertical diet,
which is a one-to-one protein to carb ratio.
Yeah.
I'll just switch out the carb with the fat.
Try it for a little bit.
There you go.
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Weakness is never strength.
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