Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 382 - Micro Chips Are Coming? ft. Dr. Jack Wolfson

Episode Date: May 5, 2020

Dr. Jack Wolfson is a practicing cardiologist along with his wife, Dr. Heather Wolfson in Phoenix, AZ. Upon being frustrated with mainstream medicine, he began researching and studying holistic nutritional approaches to helping his patients live healthier lives. He is also the best selling author of the book, “The Paleo Cardiologist”. Dr. Wolfson's free book: http://freeheartbook.com/ Dr. Wolfson on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thedrswolfson/ Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Support the show by visiting our sponsors! ➢Perfect Keto: http://perfectketo.com/power25 Use Code "POWERPROJECT" for 25% off and free shipping on orders of $29! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Icon Meals: http://iconmeals.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" for 10% off ➢Sling Shot: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

Power Project crew, thank you for checking out today's episode. This episode was recorded on May 4th, so shout out to all our Star Wars fans. May the 4th be with you. Today we have Dr. Jack Wolfson. He is a cardiologist, but more of a holistic type of doctor. And I know, and we talked about that on the podcast too, like why is there still a stigma when it comes to that term holistic? You know, we kind of think of a voodoo doctor or whatever.

And he explains a little bit about that, how the origins of anything outside of the pharmaceutical world is considered voodoo by like the Rockefeller Foundation and all kinds of weird stuff. So we got into some, I don't even want to say conspiracy type things, but we did kind of dig deep into that because he calls this epidemic or pandemic a plandemic. So that's that's his stance on it. However, what you guys will will understand is he also, you know, he understands if you do have underlying issues, you should stay home. Everyone else, let them out. Let them have their freedoms back. Let them have their jobs back. Let's not cripple the economy because this hurts a certain segment of our population. Let's get back to work. Let's make things better again. And most importantly, he gave us the

absolute best description of the danger behind 5G, better than any other previous guests that we've had on. So, you know, again, that's something that the whole 5G thing sounds so far out there, but the way he puts it makes a lot of sense. And on top of that, we did talk about the potential of a coronavirus vaccine coming our way. And, you know, he instilled a lot of fear in us by talking about how they could easily microchip us. So that is, I mean, that's terrifying. Before I forget, for the first 10 minutes, you guys are just going to see the Power Project logo because I could have swore I hit record on Zoom. I didn't, but have no fear. At about 10 minutes in, I ended up realizing that I didn't hit record.

So I hit record, and then we're good to go. So anyways, thank you, Dr. Jack Wolfson. We sincerely appreciate the insight and the knowledge that you were spitting on this episode. If you guys want to follow up with him or any of the websites or links that he was talking about on today's episode, including his social media and everywhere you can find him, all of that will be in the YouTube description, Facebook description, and wherever you're listening to this on your podcast app. Check those show notes and everything will be in there. And ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy this episode with Dr. Jack Wolfson. I did 85 push-ups just before we got on here right in a row damn yeah i've been getting better at them i can't think that's actually very impressive for for individual your size it's very impressive

i know i was like man it would be nice if i was lighter like 130 push-ups probably well it was funny. Bert Kreischer was on someone's podcast, and he was talking about how someone bet him that he couldn't do a certain amount of push-ups at a bar. And he's like, I can do 125 in a row. And he's like, no, you can't. He's like, yes, I can. And he got on top of the bar, and who knows how clean the reps were.

He claims they were clean but he did 125 in a row just like a hammered and that's awesome yeah uh burt kreischer yes squirt burt yeah our boy uh our boy damon was really good at push-ups i think he was able to do like 140 or 150 push-ups or something like that he could fly on those things that was military training yeah that was the worst i was doing push-ups with mark and him and it was like you know you go i go type of thing and sure enough by like you know whatever like 10 i'm like oh boy and like i take a breath and he's like go and i'm like okay Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Damon's pretty serious. He's a hardcore guy.

All righty. One hell of a weekend, huh? Yeah, it sure has been. If you were to sneak into my house last night while I was watching TV with my wife and kids, you would see that I was eating cookies. Uh-oh. I know. I got to admit to you guys.

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So I heard it here first invented by the natty professor. Yeah. Let's put that in motion. I'm very jealous of the, uh, guests we have on today. Like he has an awesome name, Jack Wolfson.

Like that's, that's a cool name. Dr. Jack Wolfson, right? Like that's dope. I expect him to be really hairy like to be honest he better have like the dopest beard ever if he doesn't i'm gonna be slightly

disappointed yeah i don't know if he has a beard but yeah that is a sick name i'm uh interested you know to hear some of the stuff he has to say um he's an anti-vaccine guy. And I got in good conversation with Dr. Paul Saladino the other day. We're going to have him on our podcast shortly. I was on his the other day. And as we were talking, he was like, you know, what he was worried about, he said, I'm concerned that people are going to get stuck, you know, like this guy's an anti-vavaxxer and then, you know, Mark believes in this, Andrew believes in that. And then you're just, you're forever stuck in that, uh, whatever that dialogue is. And, and you can't, um, it means you're not a good person. It means you're like, you know, it just,

it means a whole slew of other things. Like same thing with, uh, who you voted for, you know, what are you Republican, Republican or Democrat. And if you're on one side, then you can't think anything else. You have to think everything for that side. And so it'd be interesting to talk to him about, you know, the anti-vaccination. It seems like he's very much into just human health and allowing the body to heal itself and recuperate and recover in the ways that it's meant to. However, I think you can make an argument that maybe we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for vaccinations and things like that. I, I'm, I would say I'm down the middle on stuff like this because while I don't think it's good, um, to, uh, utilize a lot of outside medicine. Um, I also am in a

belief am, am a big believer that like, why would we ever be able to make it in the first place? You know, I think it seemed, and I went back and forth on some text and you know there's some amazing things that humans can make but we could also make nuclear weapons right but a nuclear you could okay we could use nuclear power for that or we can use nuclear power to power a lot of homes you know and provide a lot of energy and maybe that's not the cleanest source of energy but it was a form of energy. And maybe that's not the cleanest source of energy, but it was a form of energy that we've been utilizing people and utilizing it around the world. So it's, it's an interesting thing. Like we, we have this ability to make all kinds of

stuff, even cars, right? Like cars, people, a lot of people die in car accidents, cars, the emissions from the car are not good for the universe and are not good for our planet and so on. But who wants to be without a car? It's definitely advanced a lot of just the human movement in general. And I would say I would put vaccines in that category too because I don't know, you know, 50% of the population used to get wiped out occasionally by, you know 50 of the population used to get wiped out

occasionally by you know different things when so who knows maybe we'd still would be here because it's not 100 of the population but it'd be interesting to hear his take on it yeah there's no biological free lunch right like one action causes a reaction uh one thing that really opened my eyes when you said it a while ago was like roads, like we need them cause we don't want to, you know, mess up our cars, our precious cars, bumpy ass roads. Yeah. And then that's gotta be doing something right. Like we're putting a shell over our, uh, you know, our land and it's like, yeah, what does happen when that goes away? You know, I mean, somebody knows, but we sure as hell don't. And I just know whatever happens, uh,

the planet's not gonna be able to keep up with how much we're doing, but do we not want to have like, do I want to do the next time we go to bodega Bay? Do I want it to take like seven, you know, seven hours instead of like the two hour drip? You know, like no.

Yeah. One thing I was thinking about when you were mentioning the holistic side of dr wolfson was like back in college um it was common practice like after double days you know when our team would have practice in the morning and practice in the evening all of us would just be popping ibuprofens like 500 to 700 to a thousand milligrams all of us would just be popping those like every day, just like it was like candy. And it was just totally normal for us. But then later on, when I found out how actually bad and dangerous that was, and our coaches didn't really like, they didn't really care. They just wanted us to be able to recover and get back to practice. So

we'd be able to get in shape. Like a lot of athletes just do this and that's like, that's not okay. You know, like that is, it's a medication meant for certain things, but you know, we just use it for performance. So. I remember my cousin in, I think it was junior high. It might've been high school talking about, yeah, he would pop like a bunch of ibuprofens before a football game. He's like, it's great. He's like, I just knocked people's heads off and I don't feel a thing. I was like, Oh,

that's awesome. Yeah. I didn't know any better either. I don't know if that's great, especially mixed with like the Mountain Dew and whatever else kids are like eating and drinking and everything else. Yeah. Your workout. It's hard to make sense of it all.

I mean, is ibuprofen like, is it a good invention? Is it a bad invention? I mean, it seems like a lot of things have their place, you know like uh that could be utilized here and there i mean you have a really bad headache and you take some ibuprofen and it goes away right i think kat williams was like but if you take the whole bottle that'll be your last headache that was great yeah there you go that's true right you could make yourself uh you know super

sick with it yeah what about when you guys hear the term holistic doctor like what goes through your mind i automatically think weird stuff you know because uh you know we're i would say in the united states we're not as used to that you know where, where it's not as, uh, it's not as practiced. It's not as, uh, talked about, but, uh, after, you know, getting to know some friends that are holistic doctors, it makes a lot more sense to me now, but I've heard people go to like holistic chiropractors before and they'll have them hold like certain, um, vitamins or minerals, like in their hand. And they'll say, Oh, that doesn't work for you because it's emitting bad energy. You know? And it's like, I can believe in all kinds of different things, but you would have to give me a good explanation on like what that means,

you know? And I'm not saying every doctor does that. These are things I've heard from friends before that have gone to some holistic people. So I don't know what that is, but then I also don't know what it was that JL did to and Seema's hip, you know, like there's definitely, there's a lot of things that, you know, I don't know everything, right. No one knows everything. And there's so many things that I am naive to that. I, I don't know. And I do, I do, I am, am a believer in like positive energy and stuff, but it just seems so weird, right?

A holistic doctor, like, like you have cancer, you're gonna go to a holistic doctor. It's like, uh, you know, I don't know. No, like when I was a kid, my grandma and my mom, like, you know, when, when you get sick, they have like these remedies with cayenne pepper and garlic and all these things. And like, it's like my cold would go away without rather than using medications like there's there's a lot of these things that cultures have to help deal with certain things that i guess here in the u.s are not nearly as popular if you get a cold you go and you take something for that or uh if you get sick with something you take something for that so i'm assuming that he just like, it's less medication and more stuff like

potentially like that, you know? Yeah, it would be cool if like that stigma did kind of disappear. But, you know, it is what it is. And there is our doctor. He is connecting. I believe he has connected. Good morning, guys. Morning.

Morning. Hey, there he is. Good to have you on the show today, doctor. Appreciate it. Yeah, no, thanks for having me on. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for coming on the show today. You know, kind of the first thing I would like to ask you is, I know you're not a fan of vaccination,

so I'd love to kind of get your thoughts about, you know, do you think do you think we would be here if it wasn't for vaccinations? Do you think the mankind would still have been surviving as long as we have if vaccinations just didn't exist at all? OK. You're asking me that now? Yeah, yeah. We're rolling yep we're rolling awesome thank you um so uh obviously you know mankind evolved for millions and millions of years uh let's just say that our human existence as we are right now according to the paleontologists, the archaeologists. We're talking about millions of years in our form. How did we get here? There were never vaccines.

We injected ourselves or were injected by doctors with any of these poisons. The idea of vaccines came around in the late 1700s at a time of smallpox. at a time of smallpox. And Edward Jenner was the first to propose that if you, the blood or the pus actually of an infected animal, and you put it into a human, and he actually experimented on children back in the late 1700s, that you would be able to prevent the children from getting smallpox. All he did actually was cause children to get smallpox at the time. But it started off a whole eventual industry of vaccinations. And again, there are, you know, through millions of years, you know, animals don't get vaccinated. Humans shouldn't get vaccinated. Vaccines are poisons. They're artificial, and they always cause damage.

What about just utilizing somebody else's antibodies? Is that the same thing? No, somebody else's bodies would be something that's different because the idea of a vaccine would be, therefore, for you to develop an immune response to a particular antigen, or again, whether it's chickenpox or measles or mumps, rubella, you name it. If you give a human the antibody, then you're basically giving them the active protection. And that's the idea of tetanus. So when you go to, you know, if you cut yourself, you know, you know what, and you get a paper cut. And if you were to go to an emergency room, the medical doctors there would ask you when your last tetanus shot was. Well, even if you were to get tetanus

from a paper cut, which you wouldn't, but if you were, the vaccine they would give you in the emergency room would not protect you against that current exposure. If they thought you were infected with the tetanus bacteria, then they would give you the antibodies called the tetanus toxoid, and that can be effective. And I think that's what they're currently trying to develop right now as far as, they're trying to develop a lot of things because this is a $100 billion plus industry of what's going on right now. But there's two different approaches. Number one is that you come up with a vaccine, three different approaches. Number one, you come up with a vaccine. Number two, you come up with some kind of pharmaceutical to fight the virus. Number three, you take antibodies from a recovered coronavirus person, and then you distill out those antibodies and inject them into another human. And then you distill out those antibodies and inject them into another human.

So just to finish off this vaccine idea, I'm curious about this because we did have another individual that was talking about, you know, one of the main problems with vaccines is that children and babies are getting them way too young, where their immune system like just isn't able to handle what they're being given. But a little bit older, it generally is okay. Now, do you think that all vaccines in general are unnecessary and shouldn't be used by children? Or what's your approach to vaccines with kids? Well, let me, if I can, reverse a little bit. I'm a cardiologist and I'm a conventionally trained cardiologist. And in all those years of practicing cardiology, of course, through four years of medical school, three years of internal medicine, three years of cardi medicine, that the whole medical paradigm is wrong, or it's all about pharmaceuticals, it's all about surgeries, it's all about vaccines. And what she had to say made perfect sense. And I've said this because,

number one, she's smoking hot. So I listened to what she had to say. Number two, I saw sickness all around me in the hospitals, and I saw sickness in my own family. So once the Mayo Clinic tells my family that there's nothing to do for my father's Parkinson's-like illness, and he would die at the age of 63, and then I meet this young chiropractor, and she says, I'll tell you exactly why your father was sick, boom, boom, boom, boom. So as they start to change, well, then we start to call into question vaccines and the whole vaccine industry. And then if you look at these benign childhood infections that all four of us likely had, chickenpox. Why would we possibly vaccinate for chickenpox? Why would we possibly vaccinate for chickenpox?

Why would we possibly vaccinate for measles and mumps when the scientific literature tells us that men who have a history of measles have a 29% lower risk of having a heart attack? That's pretty important information for a cardiologist to know. And then fundamentally, guys, if you say on day one of life, we are going to vaccinate for hepatitis B. We're going to inject newborn babies for a virus that one would get if you sleep with prostitutes and use IV drugs, but we're going to use it on the first day of life. And Obon contains aluminum, which is a known neurotoxin, contains antibiotics, contains other preservatives, contains human and other animal tissues. Who could possibly comprehend injecting that into a newborn baby? But again, when is the safe time to do it? There is no safe time. You're injecting something into a human. These are all untested by the way they're all

unproven they're all unsafe you inject something into the human body to generate an immune response and then when you generate the immune response it will attack using the immune system it'll attack all of your good tissues and all of your good cells, including the cardiac muscle as well. So I don't think there's ever an appropriate time for a vaccine. Again, totally unproven, totally unsafe. And the current system as it is right now is 72 doses of 17 vaccines has never been studied, never been studied against placebo. It is all an experiment on us and on our children. Can you really like explain what you mean by

untested real quick? Because a lot of people think that these things are tested, that they're totally, you know, that they know exactly what's going on. So what do you mean by that? Okay, so what I mean by that is that, again, when we looked at smallpox, there was no testing that was done for smallpox. You took the pus of an infected animal and you gave it to children back then. There was no study that was done. If you look at things like the diphtheria pertussis tetanus, again, no data against randomized trials. The standard of care and the scientific method is about generating a hypothesis and then testing that hypothesis against placebo.

that hypothesis against placebo. So again, if you look at all the vaccines, there are very little placebo, if any, placebo-controlled trials. Out of the most common one right now, HPV, which is a runaway multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical for Merck, there were seven studies done. One was placebo-controlled controlled and it was a short-term trial. So what I'm saying is, is that yes, the television and the media personalities and the CDC say, oh, we've got all the science. They don't have the science. And in fact, there are books, for example, Neil Miller's book, over 400 different studies. Alan Palmer, who's another doctor, collated 1,200 studies. And these show the vaccine damage. So we hear, again, all this news speak to try and sell us the vaccines in the medical industry. news speak to try and sell us the vaccines in the medical industry. But again, there is no adequate science really behind it at all. If somebody wanted more information, shameless plug, you can go to my website, the doctors wolfson.com backslash vaccines. And I have all that information there

for you. The doctors wolfson.com backslash vaccines doctors is abbreviated. And I got that information for you. But, you know, I mean, it's just again, it's just all media, government, pharmaceutical propaganda to tell us that they're safe. When, in fact, myself and hundreds, if not thousands of other doctors are all saying the same thing. They're not safe and they're totally unnecessary. And they're totally unnecessary. The way to stay healthy through any virus or any bacteria or any fungus is through boosting our own immune system. That's what it's all about.

Dr. Wolfson, when you first started to learn about this kind of stuff through your wife, I know you went through your own medical practice and you had these ideas that are probably very common here in the United States. But when your wife started to point out stuff that maybe wasn't common and started to maybe pointing out more natural approaches, more holistic approaches, were you kind of like, this is BS. Like there's no, there's no way, even though, even though she's hot and you're listening to her, you're probably thinking to yourself, like, this is just not anything I've learned. Like, what are you talking about? Well, you know, we went through so many years of medical training, right? And like I said, I went through four years of medical school,

three years of internal medicine, three years of cardiology. So 10 years after undergrad. And here comes this chiropractor, who's not of my equivalence as far as education, and she tells me this. It was very difficult to swallow at the least. Of course, any medical doctor would take a stand back and say, you don't have the qualifications I do. You don't have the experience I do. You don't have the experience I do. And it's just a matter of once myself and other doctors understand that, wow, the body doesn't need the pharmaceuticals. The body doesn't need the surgeries. You give the body what it needs. And that is going to be the

answer. Sure, there's a time and a place for emergency care. I'm not saying that. But when it comes to prevention, the medical side has nothing. Once you start to understand that and you let your guard down and say, I can admit that I was wrong. I can admit that my medical training was inadequate. I can admit that my medical training has been controlled by the Rockefellers since 1913. I can admit that. It's one thing to admit it, guys, but it's also a matter of most doctors aren't going to want to admit this because that's their livelihood. So if I'm a cardiologist and I say, I don't want to prescribe statin drugs anymore. I don't want to do nuclear stress tests anymore. I don't want to do CT scans anymore. I don't want

to do useless and dangerous procedures. Well, how are you going to pay your bills? How do you pay your malpractice? How do you pay for your licensure? How do you pay for the house you live in or the car you drive or the clothes you wear? How do you pay back your school loans? So most medical doctors are not going to buy into this philosophy because they get paid to stay in their lane. It's like the book, you know, it's called The Jungle by Upton Sinclair from the early 1900s. It's hard to get a man to understand something when his job depends on him not understanding it. And that's what's happening right now with the medical doctors. Again, it's just they refuse to hear anything outside of what they have been brainwashed into believing. what they have been brainwashed into believing.

Did at any point, did vaccines have our best interest? Like, or have they always been a like a financial they had a financial agenda behind them? Well, you know, if you look back at the history of, you know, Edward Jenner and Edwin Jenner, it's hard to say what his motives were back in the late 1700s. And as far as I can tell, he had no medical training, you know, whatsoever. He just observed people on the farm. If you look at the race for the polio vaccine between Sabin and Salk. That was all about fame, all about notoriety, all about money, the propaganda behind the March of Dimes. I mean, again, so many different things when you look at the literature and news of the day about the vaccines. It's all financial driven. They can use all the rhetoric that they want. We're trying to save the children around the world. I mean, listen, if if, you know, Bill and Melinda Gates want to save African children, the answer is not vaccines. The answer is they need water. They need food. They need shelter. They need safety. They don't need to be injected with mercury and aluminum and other poisonous toxins. That's not going to be the answer. with mercury and aluminum and other poisonous toxins, that's not going to be the answer.

But I mean, listen, you guys know this, of course, it's always about following the money. It's always about following the money. And I think that's really where it's been from really from the beginning. You mentioned that the medical like society or association has been controlled by the Rockefellers. I've heard something like that before or that name. I don't know exactly what you mean by that. So for people that probably tuned in on that part and they're like, wait, what does he, what's he talking about? What do you mean there? So that was a, that's a great question. Thank you. It was very interesting back in the early 1900s. So John D Rockefeller was an oil tycoon. He was the oil tycoon.

He was a billionaire before billionaires even existed. So he was the oil tycoon, standard oil. And back in the early 1900s, he wanted to diversify from oil. He had such a big position on oil, but even back then, there were threats of alternative energy. There were threats of natural gas. There were different methodologies, again, whether it's coal. Or even back then, some people had the foresight to understand what wind,

what geothermal, even what solar could eventually do. So, and this is like the work of Nikola Tesla and whatnot. So Rockefeller says, what else can we do with all this oil? Well, he understood back at that time that oil and petroleum products could be turned into pharmaceuticals and how you can create compounds that would affect the body. So what does he do? He sets up something. He sets up the Flexner brothers in the early 1900s. They come up with what's called the Flexner report. And the Flexner report says that everything outside all medicine outside of pharmaceuticals and surgery is voodoo, and it's unsafe, and it's unproven, and we're going to shut down all of those medical training facilities, and we're only going to leave the facilities and the training institutions

that are part and parcel with the future of the pharmaceutical industry. And he was very, very successful. Naturopathic, homeopathic, osteopathic, chiropractic, they were shut down. And what remained were the medical institutions. And so that is the Rockefeller Foundation. I know, by the way, when it comes to what's happening right now, with mandating vaccines, and a chip of all of us, and the microchip will contain our vaccine and other information, but will contain that. That is a website called id2020.org. If you've not heard of that, this is not a conspiracy. It's right there on the worldwide

web, id2020.org. And it will tell you the plan is to microchip everybody with vaccine information and more. And on the website, it says it's sponsored by Microsoft, i.e. Bill and Melinda Gates and the Rockefeller Foundation. It's right there. It's right there. And that is concerning for sure. Yeah, that is concerning for sure. As a cardiologist, I mean, I know some of your background in terms of you promoting the paleo diet and things of that nature. As a cardiologist, have you still prescribed statins? Do you still utilize pharmaceuticals here and there? Are they necessary sometimes in your practice or have you found them to be obsolete? No, I mean, you know, let me ask you, so as far as statin drugs, no, I don't prescribe statins. For blood pressure, I do use blood pressure pharmaceuticals always with the idea of getting somebody off of their blood pressure drugs. So I do a lot of education, a lot of teaching, a lot of online courses and stuff

like that. A lot of people that come out to Arizona to see me as well. Again, always with the goal of getting people off of pharmaceuticals. I write extensively about the dangers of pharmaceuticals, the dangers of aspirin, statin drugs, because they're all cover up. They're all bandaid approaches. But, you know, when I wrote my book called The Paleo Cardiologist, not only is it about paleonutrition and using the wisdom of our ancestors to eat the right way, but it's also about the paleolithic lifestyle, about the importance of getting outside in sunshine and sleep and physical activity outside, and about mental health and wellness.

So I talk about all these things inside of my book. But, you know, I love getting people on pharmaceuticals because, again, they, you know, statin drugs can lower numbers down. But do they have a meaningful effect on reducing heart attack, stroke, and dying? You know, it's by a little bit. Can we do better? You know, what, you know, I don't want to reduce, you know, all four of us on here right now. I don't want to reduce our heart attack and risk from 5% to 4%. I want us all to be 0%. And we know they don't offer that because they've published their literature. I think the human body can do better.

They've published their literature. I think the human body can do better. Can you elaborate on why you feel the paleo diet is kind of the only diet and all other diets are kind of a fad? I really like your perspective on that. Thank you. Well, you know, listen, you know, for millions of years, we've been eating a certain way. You know, we are hunter gatherers. We hunt meat and seafood. We gather everything else, nuts, seeds, eggs, avocados, coconuts, fruits and vegetables,

the fruits in season. As a hunter, we eat bread. We never ate oatmeal. We never, you know, as big as, as big as you guys are, you you know you wouldn't be any competition if you go to try and milk a wild animal like i'm you know what i feel like i want uh giraffe milk or elephant milk i'm gonna go milk that thing that that animal has a baby nearby and if you try and come by to get some of its milk it will kill you so um. So I and truth be with dairy, you know, free range grass fed dairy products. I'm OK with that, but I'm very anti grain, anti sugar. There's probably a time and a place for everything. The two things that I always am, I'm always organic and I'm all gluten free. And so when you go organic, you get all the chemicals, all the artificials,

all the GMOs, all the pesticides, you get that out of your food. And I think that's the perfect place to start for anybody. But, you know, and to me, and even and if you're a vegan, and you're listening to this, I would just implore anybody who's vegan to please eat seafood because seafood is the healthiest food on the planet. There's nothing else that comes even close, especially if you talk about things like whole anchovies and whole sardines. Nothing, nothing. There's no kale. There's no broccoli. There's no chard. There's nothing compared to eating shell know eating shellfish it's it's just not it's not close in your opinion what do you think because if someone doesn't necessarily want to go full paleo right which obviously that'd be something that you'd suggest that they do um what would be

the main things that you would suggest that they avoid like you said obviously no sugar gluten and could you also give some of the reasons why they should just kind of avoid some of these foods? Like what are the biggest things in your pyramid, I'm assuming, I'm asking. Yeah, you know, it's, you know, once again, I think it's up to, you know, different people. You know, carnivore diet has become a little,

certainly a little, but very popular among certain circles. I think that carnivore is good for a challenge. And we've done seven day carnivore challenges, you know, where people eat meat, seafood, and eggs, you know, for a week. I'm good with that. I'm good with going keto. Keto can be part of paleo as well. You know, I think where sometimes keto falls is that and fails is that it's a lot of kind of added oils, added fats, sometimes, you know, you know, soy and stuff like that and soybean oils. And I think that was a fault of the late Robert Atkins as well. But again, I mean, we're just fundamentally hunter

gatherers and, you know, we can debate it. And I wrote a chapter in an integrative cardiology textbook that was released last year. And my chapter that I wrote was on paleonutrition and cardiovascular health. I had 180 references, 180 references to what makes, you know, perfect common sense. But, you know, what happens with gluten, for example, is that gluten leads to leaky gut. And we do leaky gut testing on everybody. It's a blood-based panel. And we determine they have leaky gut. And when you have leaky gut, things get into the body that don't belong. The immune system comes in to attack, and then it starts to attack other things. It could be your thyroid, could be your ankylos, and it could be your heart. So we do that testing as well. I think gluten is a major

offender. But like I said, for anyone listening, you know, the more you get the chemicals out of your life, the better off you are. And when you go organic, I think that's very, very important. But, you know, we all like to debate the food story, but is food any more important than sleep? But is food any more important than sleep? Not even close. Not even close. And that's a quote. Because the literature, again, we argue about food because the literature can be confusing.

But the literature is very, very, very clear on the importance of adequate sleep. with sleep, such as if you don't get quality sleep in more than six hours, your heart attack risk, your stroke risk, your cancer risk, everything goes up exponentially. So is food any more important than sleep? No. Is food any more important than sunshine? Again, humans have been in the sun. The Sun has been around since before the earth was so that Sun is so critical and every study shows people with the highest levels of vitamin D that comes from the Sun have the lowest risk of everything so it's about embracing that paleolithic lifestyle that's absolutely critical. And then now we're living in a total age of fear and anxiety and being scared and all these things going on. Mental sickness or these things like fear, stress, anxiety, again, markedly increase your heart attack and stroke risk.

Social isolation, which is what's going on right now, again, is one of the biggest risk factors for cardiac death. And then finally, unemployment. People who are unemployed have a 500% higher risk of suicide. Makes sense. People who are unemployed have a 280% higher risk of dying from cardiovascular causes. So my job again is to, because if you walk into a medical doctor or cardiologist, they're like, no one knows why we have anything. a medical doctor, a cardiologist, they're like, no one knows why we have anything. Here's your Lipitor, get a stress test on your way out. That's what I did for so many years. So there's just such a better way. And I love teaching and, you know, professing this better way. And I appreciate you

guys having me on so we can talk about it and just keep sharing the truth. What about like supplements, like supplementing with vitamin D? I mean, it would be fairly obvious that getting out in the sun would probably be more effective, but what are your thoughts on, you know, supplementing some vitamins to help maybe potentially boost the immune system? Well, I, I love the idea of taking supplements, which again, supplement supplements, the healthy lifestyle. So even if we're all eating perfectly, the air is polluted, the water is polluted, the soil is polluted. Broccoli that's been produced in Northern California for 50 years on the same soil is not the same as broccoli that grew native in Asia. And ultimately, we've all got a lot of catching up to do. For the first 35 years before I met my wife, I would eat McDonald's cookies and cupcakes,

you know, drink soda pop, you know, toxic coffee, you know, just leading a very, very unhealthy lifestyle. And we've got a lot of catching up to do. So to answer your question is that, yeah, evidence-based supplements do work and they do work very well. Regarding vitamin D in particular, vitamin D can raise your numbers. So taking vitamin D supplements can raise your vitamin D levels, but it's not even near the same as getting it naturally from the sun. It's a different form of vitamin D. It's much more active than the store-bought vitamin D. And the sun does so many other things besides vitamin D production. So listen, if you live in Minnesota, I've got people

that come to see me from Seattle, Portland, Canada, Russia, Norway. And they're like, what do we do? We don't get sunshine. I'm like, well, eat the vitamin D rich foods, take a lot of vacations, move to a sunny climate. And if you can't do all of those, well, then that's where vitamin D supplements can come into the equation. You mentioned – just super quick. Uh, you had just said, um, that fish was like the best food that we could eat.

And then just now that like we kind of messed up our waters. So, uh, what are your thoughts on like, on, uh, you know, like mercury and all that stuff that we've been kind of hearing that we're, we're screwing up our ocean and therefore kind of messing up our food source? Well, there's no doubt that the planet is being destroyed. That's for sure. And we know that obviously you can just look out your window and see the pollution. You can look in the pollution of any major city and see that we're destroying the planet.

the pollution of any major city and see that we're destroying the planet. When I test people's levels for environmental toxins like pesticides, like glyphosate and DDA and atrazine, when we test people's levels for plastics, when we test them for heavy metals, again, a lot of people are coming back high. Now, I think in regards to seafood in particular, the benefits far outweigh the risks. And in seafood in general, I tell people to go for smaller fish, anchovies, sardines. Wild salmon is a bigger fish, but again, it's very low on the toxin side. And shellfish as well. But once again, even if you eat that organic broccoli from California, the air is still polluting it. The water that they use, the soil that's used.

That's why we just do the best we can to keep our bodies strong, to keep our detoxification system strong. So when we ingest some of these environmental pollutants and toxins, our liver produces something called glutathione and the glutathione binds onto those toxins and pushes them off the other end. That's what we try and do. It's about trying to do our best on a planet that frankly is being destroyed. So I want to ask you this because you mentioned something that I think may trigger a lot of people. For the past three days, I've stopped drinking coffee and caffeine just because I noticed that I would focus a lot on my sleep and getting good sleep. But there'd be some days that I didn't. And I'd drink some coffee and I'd

feel amazing. I'd feel on top of the world. I can crush everything. But what I don't like is how different it makes me feel. That's not really's not really me so that's why i've been just trying to cut it out and you mentioned toxic coffee so what exactly do you mean by that because so many people when they're talking about caffeine and coffee they'll cite a lot of studies that say it's great for you what so what exactly do you mean so we can get an understanding there? Okay. So first of all, coffee and in particular caffeine, to call it a drug may be kind of a stretch. But again, it is caffeine is a chemical compound that causes a lot of radical changes in our bodies, some positive and some negative. And to the individual, how they

feel on caffeine, some people feel great. Some people feel lousy. Some people say, you know what, it's just something that I don't need because as you just said, it's not me. I just, I act differently on caffeine as much as I would act different on marijuana or I would act different with alcohol. So in general, I think coffee is a great thing. And I think that because the literature tells us that in just about every study done that coffee in particular for the heart is fantastic for the heart. It lowers atrial fibrillation risk, lowers heart attack risk, improves heart attack recovery, lower risk of congestive heart failure, hypertension. I mean, I can go on and on about the glories of coffee.

But what I would tell people is that if you drink it, it's probably somewhere between two to four cups a day is that magical number for health benefits. And always make it organic because you get all the benefits of coffee, yet you get none of the poisons and the pesticides and contaminants that are in there. So I don't dissuade people to drink coffee. I don't necessarily tell people to start drinking coffee if they're not a coffee drinker. But I think the point you made is well taken is that coffee can make, caffeine can really make people feel different. And if you don't like the way you feel on something, then yeah, you probably shouldn't drink it. But if you do, please make it organic. Now, back in the day, I used to, you know, my father was a coffee drinker.

I started, you know, drinking coffee. It was those big tins of Hill's Brothers and Folgers and Maxwell House. And then in medical school, it was always just drinking some kind of sludge out of a styrofoam cup so I could stay up all night and see patients and do all the stuff that I was doing. It's a killer. It's, um, it's, that's a killer. It's a killer. And if we drink the good stuff that I think we'll get even more benefits than what's seen in the literature, which is pretty cool. Let's say we have some older folks that are listening to this, that, uh, that maybe they haven't been, you know, exercising a lot over the

years. Maybe they haven't been, you know, really honing in on their health. Are there things they can start to do now to still help boost their immune system? Can they start heading in the right direction? Sounds like obviously getting out and getting some sun would be a great idea. Some walking, some things of that nature, maybe it could potentially help them be less nervous about COVID-19. Yeah. I mean, great points, especially right now, you know, so it's like, you know, cause people will come back at us and they're like, Oh, I can't afford to eat organically. And I would always explain to them that they probably really can if we break

it down. But sunshine is free. Sleep is free. And that's great for anybody at any age to get outdoors get the fresh air go for a walk roll up your your shirt sleeves take off your shirt uh wear shorts our skin is not just holding together a bag of bones our skin is a solar panel. And if you get that solar panel out in the sun, magic will happen. And yes, it boosts the immune system. It lowers blood pressure, lowers inflammation, oxidative stress. And getting outside in the sun means you're not inside watching CNN or Fox or whatever your thing is that you're watching that are just pure fear, that are just driving

pure fear into all of us. The vast majority of people, right? I mean, unless you're a hospital worker, you wouldn't even know that there was any threat of any virus. If you didn't watch television, you would just be going about your daily business and just living your life. And especially when you focus on health and wellness, you're not worried about a virus. Our body contains hundreds of trillions of viruses and tens of trillions of bacteria. We need to live in harmony with these things. We're not going to defeat nature. We don't want to defeat nature.

They coexist with us. They're symbiotic with us. And we need to embrace that. So, yeah, whether you're young or whether you're older, getting outside is really the key. And, you know, guys, I mean, listen, I've been very critical of the medical doctors. And, again, in the emergency situation, I've got friends, I've got former colleagues, I've got family members that are there for emergencies, for emergencies, great. But for prevention, they really, really have nothing.

And if you look at the people that are dying, whether it's of COVID or any other virus, the people that are dying are the people that are under the care of the medical doctors. The people that are dying are the people that see medical doctors. They take their pharmaceuticals. They do the studies that, you know, recommended. They have the surgeries. These are the people that are dying.

And we know people that take ACE inhibitors, famous pharmaceutical for blood pressure, they're at higher risk of dying of viral pneumonia. People that take acid blockers, you know, for their stomach, for their reflux, much higher risk of dying from pneumonia. You look at people that are on psych meds, higher risk. People that take inhaled steroids, higher risk. People that take fever reducers like Tylenol and ibuprofen, higher risk. Again, it's the people that seek out the medical care. They're the ones that are getting sick. Those of us that see natural doctors, read natural health information, practice a healthy lifestyle, this is nothing, man. Our immune system has been built for this over hundreds

of millions of years. You mentioned the immune system multiple times, and I'm wondering, I know obviously you're going to mention our lifestyle, sleep, getting sunlight, diet, but what other things do you think people can do to help their immune system out? I mean, obviously everything that you've mentioned so far would be massive if people just did those things, right? But is there anything else that you think most people don't have added to their life right now? Well, I think, you know, I mean, listen, from a, from a sunshine standpoint, there's and this is, you know, when I, when I did a presentation and we had I think about 3000 people signed up for my presentation that I did called Bulletproof Your Immune System.

And one of the first slides I showed was how medical doctors like this Dr. Nina Shapiro, MD. She's a television personality. And she says on Twitter, you cannot boost your immune system. personality. And she says on Twitter, you cannot boost your immune system. And then now a guy like me comes in and I'm doing my PowerPoint presentation all online for everybody to see. I'm just showing study after study, after study, after study of how you boost your immune system. And whether it's vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, vitamin E, whether it's a quality silver, probiotics, omega-3 fish oil, berberine, oregano oil, caprylic acid. I mean, again, you start just going down the list of all these different therapies and remedies and things to

support your immune system, to boost your immune system, whatever you want to call it. And it's all right there. But again, you're just not going to hear this from the medical community because their goal, either understood or not, because of the matrix that they live in, their goal is to wait for the vaccine, study the pharmaceuticals, ready to go to war with the virus. You know, it's a war against cancer. It's a war against heart disease. Again, there's so much of a better way. And I think the people are waking up to this, I think from, you know, shows like yours, and everybody else that's kind of stepping into this as well. And I've got so many great

medical colleagues that are embracing this. And people are waking up to this fact, this isn't like the 1970s, where you go to see your medical doctor. And they're like, take two aspirin and call me in the morning. Now it's like, wait a second, I heard some negative things about aspirin, I'm going online and doing my research. And it turns out that when people are critical of, you know, Dr. Google or these, or these, you know, Google, you know, moms, you know, the reality is, is that we're pulling all the information from the medical references and it's all right there. It says to, once again, we, we don't learn that in medical school from day one. It's all about prescribing pharmaceuticals, identifying what

somebody's problem is. And then what is the pharmaceutical test or surgery to deal with that complaint? And it's wrong. Do you feel that this quarantine has been helpful? No, I don't. No, not at all. I think it's been a nightmare. I think it's been a nightmare on so many different levels. I think if there is a virus that's out there, that we should all be infected with the virus, provided it's not manmade. If it's manmade, if it's geoengineered or something like that, that's obviously a different conversation. But let's just say there really is a virus. Let's say that it's natural. Then we should all be infected by it and then move on.

And that's what really what herd immunity is about. But they didn't do that. What they did was prove that they can lock down the world. They proved that they can shut everything down. They proved that they can put 50 million Americans out of work. They proved that they can cripple the economy. They've proved that they can keep us locked down and quarantine indoors. They proved that they can divide us.

Like if you're walking through a store right now and you're not wearing a mask, you are a pariah. You're you're like the devil in these people's eyes. And I did a post actually. I put that up onto our web page yesterday about five different studies that show – I'm sorry, six different studies that show that masks are totally useless. And in the case of cloth masks, actually increase your chances of getting sick. So the quarantine was a horrible idea. As I mentioned before, if you're unemployed, 500 percent, I'm sorry, 500 percent higher risk of committing suicide. Unemployed, 280 percent risk of cardiovascular death.

The United Nations said if there is a global recession, hundreds of millions of children will die. The United Nations said that. What happens when you are staying at home, you're with your children, you're not working, you're upset about not working, you're drinking more alcohol, you're at home. Child abuse right now is absolutely exponentially spiking. The quarantine was the worst idea from the worst people in the history of the world. What about the bodies? What about people talking about the medical system being overwhelmed and know, overwhelmed and things like that? Are you a believer in that? Is that something is that a true thing? Or do you think the medical community could have perhaps just pulled together better and maybe been able to handle the amount of people that got sick from coronavirus?

Well, I mean, I think that's that that's the company line as far as why they shut everything down. Now, you know, did they shut it all down because of a mandatory vaccine agenda, control agenda, financial agenda, you know, crashing, you know, Trump or the United States? I mean, that's all possible. But as far as taking it on the surface for what they said they were doing it for, what they did was, was that, you know, by shutting down the hospitals for elective procedures, you left a lot of these medical doctors and medical personnel now furloughed. They're unemployed. So if you took all those people and directed them all into the care of the acutely ill, well, you would have been able to handle it a lot more. the acutely ill well you would have been able to handle it a lot more in addition if you know once again if the rhetoric going forward is about how do we keep people healthy by keeping people off of pharmaceuticals out of the hands of

medical doctors so the next time this comes around and it will come around again either this same virus or they'll try to or it'll be bird flu or swine flu, another SARS, Ebola, Zika. They keep putting stuff that's out there. There's always going to be something that's coming out. There's always going to be another lockdown that's happening. They'll probably lock us down again in October. And now we're all experienced at it.

It's not going to be a big deal. Let's lock everybody down. Instead, what they should have done is told people, okay, if you are older, if you have these other risk factors, if you have a history of significant cardiovascular disease, if you've got lung disease, if you're older, if you're obese, if you're diabetic, which is frankly a lot of people, right? Stay home, go ahead and stay home. But what about the rest of us? Why

can't the rest of us go about living our lives? So this whole thing about overburdening the health system. And then finally, right, they were all clamoring for ventilators. We need more ventilators, ventilators. We don't need more ventilators because if you have a viral pneumonia in this situation and you wind up on a ventilatorator 80 plus percent chance you're going to die and that's what italy did italy said we don't have enough ventilators so if you meet this certain set of criteria you're going to die it's horrible when people die but the people that are dying are sick elderly people and i do not mean to demean and and the importance of older elderly people i'm not saying that but what i'm saying is you're supposedly doing this to save

elderly people yet what you are doing is you're killing millions of children 50 million people possibly unemployed and impacted by this how are they supposed to feed their families how are they supposed to pay their rent the downstream effects of this will be just you know monumental and the government understands that so they're just trying to of course print more money and giving everybody twelve hundred dollars which at the end of the day will be useless. And they're giving their friends, you know, like Ruth Chris and Shake Shack and all these big corporations are giving them bailouts and they'll bail out the airlines and stuff like that. I mean, they should be given bailouts because the government caused all this. So they should get, I guess they have to do something.

Otherwise, all these people are more unemployed. But again, it's just like, let this thing run through the American public. It would have been over already. A lot, we all would have gotten it. We'll be immune for life. Some people would have died and we move on. I don't know how else to say that. Have you heard any numbers about approximately how many people have had or have the coronavirus? I know that they, you know, the number they have out there of people that have

been tested and confirmed is like a million, but I've heard, you know, it could be upwards of, you know, 40 to 50 million people that have already had it anyway. Yeah. We've done antibody testing in our office. We're finding a lot of people that had no symptoms, people that just like they want to get tested. They never had any symptoms or maybe they had some mild flu-like symptoms or even more significant back in January and February. And a lot of those people test positive for Corona antibodies. And this is well known is that there are an estimated number of people that died. And this could be true for any flu season or any coronavirus or whatever.

There's an estimated number of people that died, an estimated number of people that had it, estimated number of people that get tested. Estimate a number of people that get tested. And then by a factor of five to ten times, the number of people tested are actually the numbers that have it. So when the CDC says on a flu season, 40 to 60 million people had the flu and 40 to 60,000 people died. Those are, again, just estimates. And according to Fauci himself, in an article he co-authored in the New England Journal of Medicine, Fauci himself said that the number of people that have had corona are much, much, much more likely than what is being reported. So it's just a virus, guys. It's just a benign virus like any other virus that unfortunately does kill people. But the vast majority of us, again, will be fine, will be stronger because of it, and don't want to sit around in fear until they tr tried out another unproven vaccine. Guys, if they come out with a vaccine in 12 months,

how will they be able to prove that it was safe? How will they be able to tell us, we looked at this vaccine and we studied it for five years, for 10 years, and after 10 years, it looks like it was totally safe. It will be totally unproven and it'll be mandatory and you'll be microchipped and you can't leave your home without it that's what's happening uh we've had some guests on recently that i mean i just want to get your thoughts on this about like hospitals and doctors

changing death certificates to kind of pad the stats of coronavirus. Do you have any insights or thoughts on that? Yeah, of course. I mean, essentially what's happening, and this happens in the flu season as well, is that it's called flu-related death. So somebody comes in with a heart attack, and again, they could test that person or somebody dies from cardiac disease. They could test that person to see if they've got influenza antibodies. They could not test that person and they could just put it into

the billing statistics. So does a hospital get paid more when, you know, for the more diagnoses? The answer is yes. And therefore hospital employees and administration have those stats all the time. What's happening right now where hospitals are getting reimbursed for COVID-19? I can't speak to that. I have not researched that in particular, but I certainly think that it is a strong possibility that if hospitals show that they are more impacted by COVID,

they're gonna get paid more. And these hospitals are COVID, they're going to get paid more. And these hospitals are all either they're profit hospitals for profits that actually make a profit and pay everybody out of status. So yeah, I think, I think, you know, once again, I've talked to friends, in the hospitals as well. And I think we're seeing a lot of this, you know, that somebody comes in for, you know, for a complication from cancer or heart disease or autoimmune disease. And they're labeled as a COVID issue as well. What have you been doing for exercise as of late? What have I been doing? Oh, man, I live in a spectacular area in Colorado.

So I've been mountain biking with my 13-year-old, my 8-year-old yesterday, and my 2-year-old strapped to my back and went out there with my wife and my two boys. The five of us went out there. We're doing a lot of mountain biking, a lot of hiking, a lot of just going for family walks. It's getting nice enough for kayaking and stand-up paddleboarding. We just got done with the ski season here, and I'm certainly out there. And then just around the house, you know, just kind of family things. And I tend to be a big believer in the, again, more of the Paleolithic exercises, so kind of along that CrossFit mentality of, of, of, you know, lifting up

weights, like our paleo ancestors, you know, they would, you know, pick up a boulder and move it over there, they would fight and wrestle with each other. So people that do martial arts, you know, combat sports, I think that's great. Again, I mean, it's all about, it's all about doing something that's fun, preferably outdoors. It's not about going on the treadmill for 45 minutes while you're watching CNN or Fox and this electromagnetic field bomb that you're in indoors, artificial lights with all the chemicals and all the sprays and all the poisons. It's horrible. Just get outside. And at the very least, just go outside for a walk. I mean, 10 minute walk, a 15 minute walk, just it's, it's so, so, so important. And to think about these, these sit, you know, I mean,

why is New York so impacted a lot of different factors and we haven't even touched on EMF and 5g and stuff like that but again I mean no one's leaving their house they're on lockdown they're inside they're afraid to go out they're told they can't go out vitamin D levels are plummeting a brain disease is exploding immune dysfunction is exploding and the answer is is to is to get outdoors. It's it's just it's so simple, but it's like no one talks about it on television that fraud, you know, Chris Cuomo sitting in his basement and, and all these people that you know, and that

mayor, you know, you know, New York, the Blasio, you know, whatever. And he's telling everybody to stay outside and they got footage of him he drives to Brooklyn, he's out there walking in the park. And again, I try, I don't watch any of that. I get little, little bits that I see or maybe I see on social media. I listen to you guys and other people that you've interviewed, you know, some of this stuff. And right. I mean, it's, it's just so astounding what we're seeing. And it's just the average American sheep that just don't pay attention to this. It's just, it's horrible. All right, doctor, you brought up 5G. Thank you. Give us your thoughts on 5G. Well, I mean, listen, the body is electrical, right? I mean, we are,

we are all electricity is what we are. When you do an EEG, you're measuring brain electricity. When you do an EKG of the heart, you're measuring cardiac electricity. When you do an EMG of the muscles, it's the muscle electricity. So why would people think that sitting on your cell phone, you know, you know, like this, you know, here, or putting it up on your chest right here above your heart, why would you think that's not going to impact the electrical system of the heart and of the brain? So once we start getting into more and more of these extremes of EMF, which is really all around us, I mean, to an infinite level, right? I mean, you know, if we, if, if the four of us, you know, we're just in, you know, we were out camping and this was,

you know, 300 years ago and we're camping and we're down by the river, we're catching some fish. We're having, we're, we're having a good time living our lives between us. There was, there was nothing except for air, for air, energy from the sun, energy from the earth, cosmic energy from the stars. That's all there was. Now, there is an infinite amount of radio frequencies amongst all of us, from Wi-Fi and cell towers and cell phones and satellites that are sending stuff. I mean, your telephone, high-tension wires. I mean, it's endless, the amount of electromagnetic frequencies that are now around us.

And then now you put in 5G, and the literature is showing, again, how 5G impacts the cardiovascular system, and as did 4G and 3G and 2G and 1G. Again, whenever you place non-native electromagnetic fields, man-made electromagnetic fields near a human, you will see bad results. And again, the way the heart works, it's all electrical. The way the heart muscles depolarize, it relies on currents and energy of calcium and sodium and potassium and magnesium. These are all impacted by EMF. like how this 5G stuff can affect us. So thank you for all of that. When you just said 1G, 2G, 3G, like it all affected us. Have we just built up like a tolerance for 4G right now? Well, I mean, as far as like a tolerance, I mean, once again, there's so much sickness around us. There's so much immune system damage. There's so much cardiovascular disease. There's so much cancer. There's so many brain-based diseases

and mental health issues going on right now. So as far as building up a tolerance, we're not building up a tolerance. We're losing. Now, there may be some amongst us that are a little impervious to it. It's like people smoke cigarettes for four years and guess what? They didn't get cancer. So clearly there is some genetic mechanism and some genetic basis where we, where some people are protected, but eventually these environmental pollutants and toxins will overcome everybody's genetics to be able to deal with this. And at that point, the planet will probably be empty. It'll be empty of life. And at that point, the planet will probably be empty.

It'll be empty of life. Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. You've helped clear up a lot of great stuff and you had a different perspective than we've had on the show before, although it went along some of the same lines as some of the other people that we've had. Appreciate it. Where can people find out more information about you or can people find your books? Oh, cool. it? Where can people find out more information about you or can people find your books?

Oh, cool. Well, listen, any, anybody who wants a copy of my book, they can go to a website called free heart book.com free heart book.com. My book is available, available for free. Amazon bestseller. You can buy it from Amazon. If you want for full price, you want to pay me shipping and handling four 95. I'll send you a copy of the book for free, free heart book. And, um, and that's it. Listen, you know, I mean, I obviously, you know, I'm a conventionally trained cardiologist and my love and passion is for cardiology. But as you all know, once you start learning the truth about cardiovascular disease, well, as you help people from a truth-based natural standpoint of cardiovascular, well, you realize that those same truths and natural things will help prevent cancer and will help prevent diabetes and prevent brain diseases and help with infertility. So, again, it's, you know, as medical doctors tend to be really good at kind of pigeonholing people into diseases.

But if we all become doctors of cause. The world would be a much better place. So thank you guys. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks again. Appreciate it. Have a great rest of your day. Yes. Thank you. That's sick. I think in SEMA's mic just turned off. Oh no. One thing that the doctor, he, he didn't mention during our show, but he has mentioned before he doesn't think it should be called health care. He thinks it should be called sick care because, you know, and that's something I've talked about before where I think we're dying longer rather than living longer.

I hope that what we have going on helps change things for the better, but there's some scary turns that it sounds like things could head in some weird directions. I mean, putting a chip into everybody, making things mandatory. Yeah, I mean, I would just – I guess if they snuck stuff in without us knowing it, then, you know, then that would just be the way it is. But I would imagine that if we are like, if we know this much, I don't know how we know it anymore because there's so much crap out there. But if we know this, then I think there would be like a war, which is scary, a scary thought as well. But it seems like something worth fighting over yeah it would be yeah when you said about like the microchipping stuff that that did scare the shit out of me and i'd imagine if they were to they right whoever

they are uh to slip it into something and not tell us somebody would create like some form of a like a scanner like a home kit scanner to be like hey are you microchipped like shit i don't know let me check and order this uh the self-scanning kit to find out and you know that what a shitty way to find out that way right and the backs the vaccine stuff too is crazy like the um like getting the vaccine shots when you're like a little baby and you get like for like 17 different things or whatever whatever the number is i don't know what the number is but like it's a lot whatever that number is it's it's a lot of different stuff and i think

for some of it sounds kind of logical but uh i don't know it just it sounds it sounds uh it sounds a little a little crazy and then what he said about the coronavirus if there's a vaccine for that like how much studying are we gonna have on that yeah i don't i don't know if i'm gonna take that man like for the long for the past few weeks i've been thinking there's no way i would do it yeah they come out with it like i don't i don't need it you know if i get it i'm healthy i'm young i might i just want to get it get it out of my system and go about my way yeah and then there's you know the other or the um i don't know the stuff that we've been hearing like if you want

to go back to work you want to go back to school you want to be able to go to the grocery store you need to be able to show proof that you got the vaccination or whatever and then so they'll be like you don't have to get it i'm sorry and i don't really know what i believe but like that's kind of the thought is like you you don't have to get it but just know that you're not going to be able to do you know the same things you were you're used to doing yeah it's uh i think some people would say oh you know i want to things you were, you're used to doing. Yeah. It's, uh, I think some people would say, Oh, you know, I want to be around my parents or whatever, so I'll get the vaccine. But the truth, the truth is, is like, um,

it's, it's almost like, like trying to protect yourself against another driver. Like you don't just don't have control over it. I don't have control over whether the guy on the street drank a bunch before he got in his car. And we're not going to have control. We're not going to really know, you know, who took what, you know, who got a vaccine, who didn't. So even if you are well-meaning and got a vaccine, and also too, like, will we know, like, how effective the vaccines will actually really be? That's another factor.

Like, is it going to really, really truly protect you the way that it is supposed to or the way that it needs to? But, like, if everyone, you know, doesn't have to get it, right, which I'm hoping is the case, then there's still going to be people. You can't prevent people from dying. You know, you can't prevent people from dying. And I think that's the main thing that we're dealing with here. And I, I, again, I think when people look back at this quarantine, I think most people will probably say, yeah, it made sense to like pause stuff for a few minutes and to reevaluate. But anything beyond that was just us sitting on our asses for no reason, really. Yeah, you guys see all the protests going on this weekend? Yeah, it's about to get violent any minute now.

It's going to. The longer that it sits, the longer that the cops are grabbing a hold of people and stuff and things are starting to get weird. So it's about to turn real, real ugly. Not that I want that to happen, but that's just the writings on the wall. Yeah. It's almost inevitable, right? Yeah. If it keeps, if it continues to go on like this, I think it will. I think people are, it hasn't been that long, you know,

it really hasn't been that long still, but like if it goes on another month, another two months, like people will start to kind of lose their mind. I mean, this is not great for people's mental health. On another note out here in Bodega Bay, they opened up the golf courses, they opened up the beaches and they said, screw it. That's awesome. And we're going to be doing the same thing at super training and that slingshot we're going to be open opening things up at uh so anyway yes oh man yes okay yeah why not right

oh thank you thank you very much yeah more more on that soon i think andy will let you guys know sometime this week and we'll tell you how to proceed from there but uh yeah you know it's just um i was i was watching yesterday as they were like getting all these golf carts ready and stuff and all these older people were circling around the golf carts and stuff and everyone's just got these big old smiles on their faces like these people out here that's what they love to do they love to go out outside they love to go. They love to go out outside. They'd love to go on walks.

I'm seeing some people with some masks and stuff when I'm walking. But the older folks that are here, I'm not getting any weird looks. You know, I'm out there running. I'm breathing hard. You know, I'm wearing a weight vest. Like they might look at me because I'm wearing a weight vest, but they're not giving me like, uh, you know, I've heard other people feeling like they're getting judged, you know, cause they're not wearing a mask and stuff like that. The people here are vibrant enough. They move around enough. They exercise enough. They're healthy enough. They're out there golfing. They're

out there exercising. And so they're not, they ain't scared. I don't think, I think they got that immune boost that, uh, Dr. Wolfson was talking about you know through the sun and and through just years of uh exercising and staying ahead of it he legit just told people to move like not not not move as in physically like walk around like just move to a different state i was just like damn there's no other options other than taking supplements or moving i mean yeah getting outside and getting some sun is good but california is expensive oh yeah the taxes and stuff yeah it's a killer yeah i feel like uh the more people we interview the the i don't know the more uh i don't know he was he was not saying it wasn't like a uh

a hoax or it wasn't this it wasn't that but he also was saying like hey we need to get out you know like i think you can have both you can believe that like we are overhyping it but you can also believe like yeah this will mess you up if you have these underlying issues and i think you know he explained the 5g thing perfect well not perfectly but better than i've been able to you know that better than it's been explained so i think uh you know as we keep chipping away we're finding more and better answers yeah especially from that cardiologist point of view the whole like how the heart all everything in your systems like i guess utilizing

electricity which is the way he explained it made a lot of sense which was good because everyone else that's talked about it up until this point it's it sounded really really really bad and it's not like he didn't make it sound really bad but it doesn't sound as horrible yeah and they made it sound like like magic like black magic you know like oh you hit this switch and we're all gonna get cancer like well but why and then he's like well because you already have that inside you you just it's gonna fuck it all up well and it could be it could be as dangerous as having like a refinery or something it could be as dangerous as having uh you know some of these big factories that we have. So it is dangerous.

But, like, how dangerous is it, like, having these, you know, large places that these garbage dumps that, like, burn garbage and things like that? I mean, I think any logical person can say, yes, that's dangerous, even if it's, like, way over there. It's still going to impact me over here even if it's a couple states over or it doesn't matter where you do it how you do it doesn't matter if you try to bury it doesn't matter if you try to burn it um you know how to add like a garbage dump they literally just like shuffle stuff around a lot they just like move shit back and forth yeah stuff they can light on fire they light on fire. They do bury stuff, they dump dirt and rocks and stuff on top of things. And it doesn't get rid of it, right? It doesn't. And I think most people, you know,

from a logical perspective can say, yeah, I think that has a negative, a negative impact. And I think 5g and any of the technologies, and I think it's, I think it's kind of just a logical conclusion. Like could looking at a TV screen, you know, be negative for your eyes? Yeah, I think if you do too much of it, yeah, it can be negative. And is any amount of it negative? Maybe. Maybe even a small amount of it is negative, but how much? Like how much would we tolerate? Like I don't think you would find a lot of people that wouldn't want to ever watch tv you wouldn't find a lot of people that would never want to use a cell phone you

wouldn't find a lot of people like even if i gave you the choice like let's say i'm like okay you can you can live to 110 okay and you could be perfectly 100 healthy or you can live with a lot of the technologies that everybody else has but you're going to live to 85 like you know you know what i mean you get to kind of if you could pick i mean what would you pick i mean imagine being deprived of everything else that everyone let's just say that if you just didn't partake in it at all that it would protect you from it you know these are all things that you know you, you'd have to, uh, you would have to consider cause it doesn't seem like it would be that fun.

I, I like seeing memes. I like having you guys send me funny, weird, wacky stuff every once in a while. You know, like it's, it's, it's fun being part of the, you know, it's, um, it's media, right. But it's different than regular media. Cause it's social media, you know, and it's nice to be a part of it. That comparison you made was like made a lot of sense. Like these blue light blocking glasses to block the blue light from my phone screen and my iPhone because it affects my sleep. I thought that was so you saw everyone as being black.

Wait, what the hell? I thought that made my skin darker. No, maybe you have a little bit of a yellow tint, but like, no, I'm trying to be Nigerian over here. I mean, you did tell me how to do it, but I don't know if I'm ready for that. It's just a few injections away, but seriously, yeah. Like we're, we're taking precautions on modern technology already. So why is it so far fetched to think that there's going to be a danger, a slight danger with this too? It's not, it's really not that out there.

It's not. Yeah. I'm curious, like, you know, I asked him about like building tolerance for like the 4G right now. Like, are we ever going to evolve to where we can handle some of these like weird things? Like we joked around around it like a while ago about like, well, humans ever adapt to being able to like eat McDonald's every day and still be healthy. Like will our systems just all of a sudden,

you know, yeah. Like, are we going to all look like in SEMA if we eat Big Macs every day? Will that kind of the same thing? Like, will our eyes all of a sudden just be able to handle blue light all day long and still go to sleep yeah i you know i don't i don't really i don't really know i think i think the only way you can evolve is if it's an advantage um that is necessary to survive right i think that's so like it, if it continued to get hotter because of like climate change or something like that, um, you know, and it, it got, I don't know, just say one degree hotter every couple of years or whatever. Um, would we be able to live in an environment that's like 140 degrees?

Like right now, if it was 140 degrees out all the time, like, I don't know if we, that might be too hot, you know, I don't know. Uh, but maybe over time, maybe we would adapt to it. I think if it's for survival purposes, if it's for purposes of, uh, if it's for purposes of, uh, you know, passing on your genes and then maybe so, you know, but if it's not for that, then I don't, I don't think you, uh, I don't think you, you get to do that. So like, there's really no, there's no reason to, to evolve, to like eat Doritos as much as, as much as we like them. Um, but you can, you can, uh, eat as much junk as you want and try to get your body used to it but it

would just i don't think it would ever get used to it because it's not it's not in your body's best interest it's not part of survival i don't believe do you guys remember there being any like clamor and scare over 2g 3g or 4g like do you i don't remember anyone i don't remember seeing articles about the dangers of 4g as a so as a kid um you know i remember my mom like uh not wanting me to change the channels on the tv too fast you know she said it's like not the flickering is not good for like your eyes you know like so i mean i think that uh anytime there's been any new uh anytime there's ever been any new technology of any kind i think people always have some concerns about it but i don't think in the way that they do about this 5g is like kind of unprecedented the way that people

talk about it yeah yeah and i don't know if like that it's still a thing but i remember when my sister was pregnant, she was saying that she couldn't stand next to the microwave while it was running. People talk about the microwave all the time. It emits something and that you shouldn't stand in front of the microwave while it's going. Yeah. I don't think Ron Penna would agree with that. He would say, stand in front of the microwave as much as you possibly can and drink Diet Coke.

And smoke a cigarette every 17 days. Yep. Man. Yeah, I don't know. When it comes to the evolving thing, I was thinking when they click on 5G and the weaker people that can't handle it start to fade off. And then those that can handle it start making babies. And now those babies live in a world where 5G is everywhere, but it doesn't affect them because they have two parents that it didn't bother them at all. I don't know.

Like, again, obviously, people are screaming at their phones or whatever right now. Like, dude, this guy's an idiot. But, like, that's just kind of where that thought comes from, you know, like. I got you. You know, survival of the fittest. And just now the fittest people just happen to be able to survive in a world where there's 5G. I saw that Elon Musk, he changed his profile. Yeah.

Did you guys see this? No. Deus Ex. Deus Ex. Yeah, this. To this. Oh, Deus Ex Machina. Oh, okay. profile yeah no date to deus ex deus ex yeah this to this oh deus ex machina oh okay did he say why he did that well it just he didn't say why he did it but they just speculated because it's about like uh i think it's about a virus like taking it's a video game right yeah it's about like a virus taking over or something like that right yeah i haven't played it from what i understand um you basically

like uh you're just an awesome whistleblower i think and you like uncover that the government is behind the virus and so you go and you try to overthrow everything and so he changed his uh his profile picture to the cover i feel like he's trolling everyone but like he might be serious he just seems like a massive genius troll yeah he's a genius this id 2020 thing's fucking me in the head though to be perfectly honest because i went to their website and if man if like legit like it ends up being a little chip that they want to put into you and they're saying you can't do stuff without it oh god like peace out um yeah i can't i can't do that there's another something that a lot of people would a lot of people would like if it's like mandated right

a lot of people would probably try to move and go to like weird spots where you're like off the grid or something right that and there would just be massive protests i don't think they can get away with something like that like there's too many people who are like a chip and me nah bro take this gun like yeah i think i think uh yeah the only way they would be able to do it is if they somehow tricked you into it or you just didn't know you know but i don't know i don't know how they who knows how they'll try to do that yeah there's there's something that's on the horizon that i just we just need to find somebody who knows a lot more about it but it's a patent on a cryptocurrency system that's currently owned by microsoft um and the odd thing about it is it's w020 or sorry w02020

060606 oh damn it i exactly no uh i'll send you guys a link but it's uh some scary shit because it again it's a cryptocurrency using uh body like activated system or something it's fuck it's it's uh some scary shit because it again it's a cryptocurrency using uh body like activated system or something it's fuck it's it's a chip and it's has to do with cryptocurrency and it's currently owned by microsoft that they have a patent for it and it's mark of the beast 666 did you ever watch those like uh left behind as a kid? They fucked me up. I don't know if you guys have ever seen it. Okay. These Christian movies about like the rapture.

Those are the work of the beast. The mark of the beast is like this thing. You have to get injected and it's a chip. And right now that's all coming back. And I just, ah, damn it. That sounds terrifying. That sounds wild yeah i had a uh a fan uh reach out to me a while back and uh his name is uh corwin and he's from canada and he uh he got sick he had a um well he didn't

get sick he had a he had a heart heart attack and it kind of hit him out of nowhere. I mean, he was, you know, he admittedly he was overweight and stuff like that too, but it just kind of hit him out of nowhere. And he like shot me a message on IG and he was like, I don't know what to do. And I'm like, well, neither do I. Cause I'm, you know, I don't know how to do open heart surgery, you know? But anyway, I just said, hey, you know, you know, follow, you know, talk, talk to your doctor. Make sure, you know, stuff that you're about to try or do is safe and just encouraged him to walk. But he sent me a message today and he said he's been walking every day and he's down 28 pounds. And this is only in this isn't a pretty short period of time this is from

april yeah this is this was the first message that he sent me yeah it was from the beginning of april so he's down 28 pounds i mean he made he made some uh big changes to his nutrition obviously um and he's been walking a lot and uh Andrew and I, before you popped on here and Seema, we were talking about how it's not a life sentence on who you are, who you were, who you thought you were. And you get to choose, you get to pick, you can change from whatever it is you are now into being able to do whatever you want to do, you know? So shout out to Corwin. Good job, man.

28 pounds. That's a lot of weight. Yeah, no, a lot. Like in the series thing that I put on IG, one of the big things there was just moving more. And then a lot of people, like I got a few messages from a few people who were just like, oh, I just started moving a little bit more. I just started standing a little bit more, taking a few steps.

I've broke through my fat loss plateau. Like it's really simple things like that. It's not that you have to do a crazy amount more exercise. You could clean up your nutrition, but doing something like Corwin did where you just walk more, that'll make a big old difference. It's crazy. Yeah, man. Good job.

You 28 pounds. That's's fuck that's a lot beast mode over there yeah probably all just by taking you know small jabs here and there like and simo was just saying like stand more move more maybe clean up one extra piece of your nutrition just taking these small jabs which will add up to you know a big knockout you guys got some working out to do later today or did you hit it already nope i still do six 60 pull-ups 100 push-ups with the slingshot i did that before we got on here i'm gonna do a few more pull-ups afterwards but it's been getting better it's been improved it's awesome yeah uh how do you break down those 60 pull-ups you just

do like six sets of 10 or i did my first set was 15 that I did multiple sets of 10 until I got to 60. You can probably do 20 in a row or so. I can, but I'd be kind of, I'd be kind of tired after that 20. So yeah. That's a good number. That's a lot of pull-ups. Yeah. Yeah.

What's a good pull-up progression in Zima? Like if you want to get better. Pull-ups. Okay. Pull-ups are like one of the hardest things for a lot of people to progress if you can't do any pull-ups the cool the best idea would be to like get a small band put it like you know put it around the bar and then underneath your feet and then maybe start with trying to maybe do 20 total reps broken into

sets of three to five because some some people legit, like some people have to start with three pull-ups from there. The best idea is instead of increasing the amount of reps you're doing as in per set, increase the total amounts of pull-ups you're doing. So do 30 total pull-ups sets of five, 40 total pull-ups sets of five. And then when you're able to do 40 total pull-ups at sets of five, you could probably move yourself to sets of eight to 10 and still aim for 40 pull-ups. And then from there, move up to 50, 60, then slowly increase the amount of reps you do per set and then move on from there. But instead of, if you're new, you don't want to try and bump out like five or seven pull-ups. You want to do three or four, but do a lot of them, 20, 22, 23.

That'd be how you progress them. Yeah, and something I found helpful for me with pull-ups is to just do like one rep in between other things. Maybe do two reps, like whatever reps you can handle that are clean, that feel good, where you don't have to cheat, you don't have to swing any parts of your body around to do it. You can also kind of jump into your pull-ups depending on how high the thing is, but you can kind of get a – I do this sometimes with dips as well, especially to get the first couple dips going. I can do dips just fine, but the first like rep or two kind of hurts my elbow, hurts my shoulder, takes me a second to get set on it. So I'll kind of, I'll kind of jump into them. Um, something else that might be useful is to, uh, work on the lowering portion of your pull-up. Like, let's just say you can't do any pull-ups. We'll start up high, you know,

and start, start yourself, uh, in a like chin up position and see say you can't do any pull-ups. We'll start up high, you know, and start, start yourself in a like chin up position and see if you can lower yourself for about a four count and then go stay with your arms extended and hold yourself there for an extra three or four count. It's still going to improve the size of your back. I mean, that's part of why we're doing this, right? You're doing it to help increase your grip, help increase your forearm, your biceps and your back. And so if you can get that eccentric portion in there, which most people skip on that, most people, when they're doing their pull-ups, they, they get a little shy with that portion and they get a little shy with that part or they, or they fall into the bottom position, but really try to make yourself go through the worst part. What you'll kind of find

is as you go to extend your arms, it feels like they're going to get ripped out of here, you know, ripped right off your body. So, you know, go through that portion of it. The best that you can, but as in SEMA is pointing out high, high amount of sets and a low amount of reps if you stink at them. And then you can eventually, you know, flip that around where you're doing higher reps and lower sets. Cool.

Yep. Yep. All right. We got another podcast a little bit later on today too, right? Yep. Yep. Yes,

we do. Two a days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Quarantine doubles. Still, still keeping at it.

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I was in my head. I was like, who the fuck? He looks so familiar. It was Billy Bob Thornton. Not that. Okay. That's all.

Yeah. He's handsome. All right. We're out of here. Peace. All right. Later. Power Project crew.

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