Mark Bell's Power Project - EP. 417 - The Case-Demic ft. Ivor Cummins

Episode Date: August 10, 2020

"This is NOT a 'Pandemic', this is a "Case-demic'" Ivor Cummins, aka. The Fat Emperor, is a biochemical engineer who has spent over 30 years in various corporate technical leadership positions. He speaks around the world sharing his research insights and findings on solving the root of chronic disease. His research is primarily focused on solving the root cause of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and obesity. He is also the author of the book, “Eat Rich, Live Long” which describes how mastering the low-carb/keto spectrum can maximize weight loss and optimize long term health. Subscribe to the Podcast on on Platforms! ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast Support the show by visiting our sponsors! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $99 ➢Icon Meals: http://iconmeals.com/ Use Code "POWERPROJECT" for 10% off ➢Sling Shot: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell ➢Mark Bell's Daily Workouts, Nutrition and More: https://www.markbell.com/ Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/ Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Mark Bell's Power Project podcast hosted by Mark Bell, co-hosted by Nseema Iyang and myself, Andrew Zaragoza. This episode was recorded on August 6th and it is with Ivor Cummins, aka the Fat Emperor. Ivor is a biochemical engineer and he gave us the absolute best information, just the most useful information when it comes to the coronavirus, COVID-19. This is the episode that you're going to want to send and share with friends and family, especially those that are just, they're feeling the fear from the media, the fear mongering that's going on because Ivor absolutely crushed all of those fears by giving you guys facts and information and just, this is the episode, okay? This is the one. I don't want to waste any more

time. Let's hop right into this episode. So thank you again, Ivor Cummins, for spending so much time with us. And ladies and gentlemen, please enjoy this episode with the fat emperor, Ivor Cummins. Yeah, COVID-19 is the new baby. When you have a baby, you're like, oh, I can't because we got a baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't do that. Or a new puppy. A puppy is a good one.

Mm-hmm. Sorry, I didn't see him. He can't go out tonight. We got a puppy. Same thing, though i didn't see him he can't go out tonight we got a puppy same thing how many times have i told you that all the time yeah that's actually something i want to ask you for is like dude okay before well when when when everything broke right i wasn't really like concerned much you know my wife and i were both we you know work out on a regular basis we eat healthy not really tripping she's pregnant now that makes you think very different so like now i'm like

okay should we be concerned you know like is it more serious than like the flu i i don't think it is or i think maybe it's on par but if she were to get the flu like yeah fuck like i'd be really like you know i'd be real concerned so is it gonna be the same for covet 19 is it ivor ivor sorry i'm just i'm actually curious oh i think it's ivor ivor okay okay my bad sounds uh menacing though you know no offense i've worked like igor yeah it sounds like a villain it sounds tough we're not on the air are we not right now we are yeah yeah no it just sounds tough we're not live oh okay we're not live yeah good so anyways we can start all over if you want nah that's okay i don't want to say his name sounds villainous he's a really nice guy

he might be into it he he is a very nice guy like if you said my name sounded badass or like sound like a like pause it's andrew i know so it's not like i know yeah hey how about this you have to fight andrew or you have to fight ivor exactly yeah two different images come to mind yeah see right that's what i'm saying yeah Yeah, you're welcome, Ivor. Anyway, we're excited to have him on the show. I've been a big fan of his for a long time. I don't know how I stumbled upon his stuff years ago when I got into nutrition and started trying to take a deep dive into it.

I was like, you know, I should know some of these terms and I should know what I'm talking about when I talk about nutrition. And then I just realized that I'll never, that'll never be me. I'll never be a Joel Green. But, you know, I did learn a lot from a lot of the stuff that I saw from Ivor Cummins. He has some outstanding information just kind of scattered throughout the Internet. He's been a low-carb proponent for quite some time. He had his dad pass away a couple years back, and he just thought his dad could have a healthier end to his life. His dad lived into his 70s, I think, 72 or 76 or something like that. 70s, I think, 72 or 76 or something like that. But he just saw the last 10, 12 years fairly compromised. And he was just like, you know, there's got to be a better way.

And so after a lot of research, he's the guy that came up with the he didn't like invent it or anything, but he's the one that gave popularity to a calcium scan. And I think that we need we need to talk to them about that stuff. I think, you know, first we'll tackle some of the COVID stuff just because it's so relevant and it's so important. And I think that the more that we can get information out to the general public, maybe, you know, maybe the public can kind of start to voice their opinion more and maybe you can get us in a better spot. I don't know how we get there, but, you know, I'm hoping that things will open up. I'm

not a big fan of a lot of the decisions that have been made. I don't mind playing ball either. I don't mind, you know, I'll social distance. I'll wear a mask. I'll do, you know, the various things that are, I'm not going to be an asshole about it. I'm not going to be like, I'm not wearing a mask, bro. I'm not going to, I'm not going to fight anybody about it. of things that we have going on are effective. You know, it's like, hey, you know, do A, B, and C, but then you're also allowed to do these other things. And it just doesn't seem like it's effective at all. And from the very beginning, we've had some people on the show who said, like, a government is not going to stop a virus. You know, how dare you think that almost, you know, I think that that is an important

thing. And I know some people are like, well, you know? I think that that is an important thing. And I know some people are like, well, you could slow it down. But, you know, slowing it down brings up a lot of other questions. You know, if we keep this thing around for a longer time, does it have more of an opportunity to mutate and turn into something different? Possibly, you know? So, anyway, we'll get a lot of great answers from Ivor today. Just switching gears for a second. I started crushing flat iron steaks again from Piedmontese.

No, you didn't. Dude, they're so good. So, okay, if you follow the podcast and maybe even my Instagram, then you'll see that I've been cooking my face off on my smoker. But I haven't been using the flat iron steaks until i moved into this new place dude it i mean when it comes to like macro friendly like meals or whatever this has 90 grams of protein and only eight grams of fat for this like i think it's only like six ounces so like yesterday when i'm tracking stuff i'm looking i'm like oh my god i'm so like far behind on my protein like what the hell am i gonna do but i didn't see it had like the dramatic comeback right there well no the thing is like it had the

negative in front of the number so i'm like oh shit i'm way over like sick all right this is dope so and they cook extremely fast they taste amazing i gave one to my father-in-law the other day i thought he like broke a tooth on a on a you know fork or something because he's like oh and uh he was just like this tastes incredible it was it's it's my favorite thing to eat right now it's good for you too because you're like low fat right now yeah so you can still make red meat fit which is nice yeah yeah bodybuilding steaks who would ever thought it yeah that and of course the bo steak, which I think is the ultimate diet steak because it has 100 grams of protein. And I think it's kind of the same amount of fat, but it's like the size of, I don't know, a football. It's huge.

Yeah, it's massive. It's a big old square. Yeah. How about you, Mark? Yeah, I've been eating those Bavette steaks. Like, they're going out of style. I've been eating a lot more lately, trying to eat more protein just to kind of see. I just wanted to kind of test out the upper limits of this protein leveraging idea.

So I've been really like morning and night like buck and pound in food. It's actually been kind of hard just because I'm not used to it. it's actually been kind of hard just because i'm not used to it like i'm used to you know i got used to fasting and um i got used to uh i don't know i got used to just eating the way i was eating i i kind of would set up every night i would set up like a what i call a double dinner i would eat it like four and then i'd eat again at like seven and because the time between the two wasn't that far um you know i was able to eat a good amount of food but it it kept me you know in in check pretty good but this seems to be working a lot more effectively even just after doing it for just

a handful of days so far but protein's up to 400 grams a day so i gotta keep i gotta keep like you know looking in the freezer i'm like damn i gotta thaw out more steak i keep forgetting i'm like oh shit so you are eating literally all day who's eating all this meat okay steak and eggs yeah i'm on i'm on steak and eggs so i'm trying to pull it up so yesterday i had 200 i know what you're thinking where do i put it all well you have gotten bigger so i had 270 grams of protein yesterday and it didn't feel like it. I didn't feel terrible. That's good. Majority of that is because of that flat iron steak. I talked to our boy, Ron Penna, yesterday.

Uh-oh. Because I was telling him, I was like, yeah, it's been kind of hard. He's like, you think it's hard? He's like, you think it's difficult? He's like, maybe because I've been doing it for 20 years like i don't know every day never missed how much protein did he say he's been eating he does like double body weight in protein almost every day wow never misses a day he looks ridiculous i i had him on a zoom call he's jacked as hell he looks amazing and i And I was like, I mean, he always looks great. Yeah. I don't know.

I hate the guy. He's the closest person that we know to Batman. You know, he's just, he's like Batman. What are you, Batman or Tony Stark? Oh, yeah. Batman, Batman. Yeah. Elon Musk would be like a Tony Stark.

I actually think that Ron Penna is 100% Elon Musk. Because like Elon Musk doesn't really care about owning like a car company, although he takes a lot of pride in Tesla. But Tesla was like a testing ground for batteries. Ron Pena had Quest Nutrition for God knows what reason because he would bring people in, fly people in throughout from all over the country. Carl was telling me the other day that they ran a test on people to see if light not even just on your eyes but light on your body

if light on your body during sleep affected your sleep and it did negatively impacted your sleep a little bit so I think it starts to wake you up that makes sense it's time to get up even That makes sense. You know?

Yeah. It's time to get up, even when you think you're out cold. That does make sense. But backtracking a little bit, for more information on Piedmontese, please head over to piedmontese.com. That's P-I-E-D-M-O-T-E-S-E dot com at checkout and to promo code POWERPROJECT for 25% off your order. And if your order is $99 or more, you get free two-day shipping and you won't slash hiccup burp like i just did yeah how do you spell yeah i know uh yes you just uh talking talking to your phone id-19 are you wearing a mask

uh yeah but bro this room's not that big i wore wore a mask walking in, and then since I got in, you guys got your testing done, right? Like, you didn't test positive? Positive. Oh. All right, well, I guess I have it. He's positive that he's got it. Positive that I don't have it. That was the...

Oh, okay. There we go. All right. And we're going to ask Ivor about the testing and stuff, too, which seems to be an even larger clusterfuck. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of different types of tests as well. But I think they just cause confusion. You know, when we had swine flu around, for whatever reason, nobody cared.

It just didn't seem like there was the hysteria around it. People still got very sick. People unfortunately died from it. So I don't want to make it out to be like it was nothing. But, you know, I just don't know. I don't know where this one caught ground. I don't know. It doesn't, it just, I don't know.

It's hard to make sense of it it really is i mean i i don't know how it how it gained the footing that it has but uh maybe it's just due to our times you know the social media era and things like that i think that's the biggest thing and then it's spread pretty quick but then also i think it's because of the origin story. Chinese lab doctor dies of mysterious virus that spreads. As America, why do we always buy that? Like, does Nigeria have stuff like that going on where they got, like, you know, like, if you mention another country, it's like this ominous battle. You know, because we had, like, when I was growing up, it was Russia. And I still think, like, Russia or Russian Russian stuff is like, you know, scary.

Like, oh man, you know, that guy's Russian. I don't know why. It's just, you know. Yeah. We kind of have that with the rice. For all you Ghanaians listening, the Jalaf rice sucks. And like there's. Oh yeah.

When you hear about Nigerian versus Ghanaian Jalaf. Anyway, I don't want to change the subject. Backtracking. Let's go back to what's important here. But yeah. I just, I remember like want to change the subject. Backtracking. Let's go back to what's important here. But, yeah. I remember, like, Saddam Hussein. Like, that was, like, a big scare type of thing. And then, of course, bin Laden.

That was when I was in high school. So, you know, Bush was talking about having, like, a draft. And I remember just, like, all my, like, shitty loser friends were just like, well, I'm not going to worry about school because I'm about to get drafted. I think that's how it works. But me too. Here we go. You have been a lot and you had Mario Kart. We did.

Hello. Hey, how's it going, Ivor? How are you doing, guys? Doing well. We're doing amazing. We have to first start out with how did the name The Fat Emperor come to be? Because that is an amazing, amazing, amazing moniker. Well, it works for me.

But that's a few years ago in 2012. I got into health and biochemistry research, metabolic health. And I realized over a while when I discovered that cholesterol thing was all crap and the fat was not bad. I realized that the corporates had kind of driven bad science. They didn't create the mistaken belief, but they certainly funded to keep it alive for decades. So it occurred to me the fat emperor was kind of a metaphor on three levels. So first there was the emperor's new clothes.

You know, we were all fooled, and the researchers who knew there was something wrong said nothing. They didn't call it. And then you have the emperor being corporate power that funded it to maintain it. And then finally, the kind of fat emperor, the poor, diabetic, obese person, insulin dependent, who was kind of a lot of them were fooled into ending up like that. So there's kind of three levels to it. It seems like we're being fooled pretty on a pretty large scale right now. How did you get into researching COVID-19? And like, I've been following a lot of your stuff. I've been a fan for a long time and following a lot of the stuff that you share about heart disease and insulin resistance over the years.

But how did you kind of end up morphing into diving into the coronavirus? Yeah, well, Mark, it was kind of like it came along in March, and I was a bit interested, but I'd seen the Chinese data, and I even began to see the Italian data, and, you know, it was average age 81 and 98.5 percent had comorbidities and i kind of thought okay this is going to be like a tough flu but it's it's not going to like it's not like a massive epidemic thing and then as things began to shut down i thought whoa i thought i thought it was an overreaction and then lockdowns came in. And then in Ireland in April, they decided not to lift the lockdown, even though the curve had turned, the hospitals were emptying out, and clearly it was

going through a flu-like seasonal pattern. And I thought, well, great, they can pull the lockdown. It was okay to do one, even though I didn't believe scientifically in it. But then they refused to take it out and they put in a four-month plan. Then I knew, wow, what's going on here? And I began to research deeply into virology, epidemiology, and all aspects related to it. I began to interview people who are experts. And yeah, we have a load of experts around the world now in all disciplines

who would agree with the view I take, as it happens, but they're not listened to. So it seems the WHO and specific epidemiologists and experts or the SAGE committee in the UK, they have the conch and they are directing mega fear. And even as this thing ended in Europe and America kind of tailed off, though the South of America is a different seasonal regional area. It's kind of more tropical like Mexico. So there was a hump there, sadly, but it all fits with the data. But there's this fear of second wave now,

and there's just constant fear and measures that no longer make any sense. So it kept me on it. Let's talk about that second wave for a second, because I've heard you say that you don't believe there could be a second wave without a second virus flying around. So what do you mean by that? Well, yeah, a second wave in the true sense, and the word is being bandied about like a weapon. Second wave in the true sense, and the word is being bandied about like a weapon, a seasonal resurgence in the winter makes sense. And that's scientific and might even be expected. But if it's seasonally resurgence in the winter, you'll have the advantage.

Well, it's not an advantage, but in countries that were hit pretty solidly, they'll have community immunity. that were hit pretty solidly. They'll have community immunity. And mostly the people who will be hit in the winter will be the people who become susceptible, more aged, more infirm, more ill. So it'll tend to be a smaller number, but it'll happen. But that's a seasonal resurgence of an endemic virus. That's not a second wave. They mean a second wave that unseasonally will explode because the virus starts being allowed to spread again. And that makes no scientific sense. So the only real precedent for that, and they're harking back to it, is the 1918 Spanish flu. But I've read pretty extensively on that. And the matter is not fully closed because they don't have the actual analysis of the viruses. But the early wave impacted. And the second wave that hit really hard was

a different demographic completely. It was unseasonal. And the consensus is it was a different virus, either an 1870s flu virus that had come back, hence it didn't hit the older people, it hit younger, or a major mutation of the influenza of early 2018 that came back from Europe is a possibility. But influenzas mutate much more easily than coronavirus. So there's no reason to expect a major mutation within months. It doesn't make sense. So again, you would say scientifically, second wave if a second virus comes along, but that's not what they're saying. They are saying that this thing is controlled and it could break out of control. But the reality is in all across Europe and Northeast America, and the South now, I think,

is turning its curve. Once you're through your curve, and you're on the downslope, we've seen all over the world, then you can't suddenly have the same virus pop up again, because it's been through its cycle. And sadly, you know, a lot of people have expired, but it makes no scientific sense to me or the professors of immunology I've interviewed. But sadly, they say that their colleagues should know this, but they've admitted secretly that they can't say it because the world has a message and they've got careers. So he's calling his colleagues and students immunity deniers, which is a clever phrase. But this Professor B. de Stadler, who's the Fauci of Switzerland, they call him the vaccine pope. I mean, he's a pro-vaccine immunology professor, director of the Institute in Switzerland.

And he said all this to me. Yeah, that doesn't make no sense. But he says, no one can say that because there is a narrative. It's coming from the top. It's powerful. And they've got careers. But he said, I'm retired. So I can actually tell the truth. Are you seeing anybody in any government kind of speaking outward against this? I did hear you say that, or a guest that you had on your show, rather, he said that Italy came out and kind of apologized for the way they handled it. Have we seen other countries have government officials? Is there anybody here in the United States?

I mean, you know, you seem like you get pretty condemned even just saying anything about a mask here in the US. So you've seeing anybody in any government speaking outwardly against how things are being handled? It's relatively rare, Mark. So, yeah, there's a lot of, I could say, psychosis, but certainly paranoia, fear, mass delusion, mass panic. That's going on, and it's infected everybody. So Sweden... that's going on and it's infected everybody so sweet that's youtube being like nope holy crap for reals

i i think it was an auto shutdown they say that the powers that be shut us down they've got me hey i had a good run since march for three months but now they got me so uh no so the swedish government said from the start that we lockdowns are not scientific they've also essentially said masks are not scientific and they said we are going to follow the science and we will take further actions as required, which is a scientific person's way of approaching it. So they have an epidemiologist, Guy Secke, and Anders Tegnell is their state epidemiologist and their whole department. In Sweden, the government is not really allowed the politicians to make these decisions. They must defer to the experts. And the Swedish experts

said, we've looked at the science. There is no science supporting lockdowns in a scenario like this. Distancing, yes. Handwashing, masks. If you've got symptoms, stay at home. Limit the big crowds to 50 and keep the economy ticking over. And we're going to monitor closely. And they were correct. So they ended up with the same approximate deaths per million as Ireland and England who had big lockdowns and now masks, but with no lockdown and no mask. So they've been proven correct. So the media around the world keep attacking Sweden the last three months. And I just look and it's insane. Sweden never got within 70% of their intensive care capacity. They had loads of headroom. There were impromptu hospitals they

set up that were never used. They're now taking them down. And, you know, they just did it scientifically. And I don't think hardly anyone extra died than would have died anyway if they had done a sham of a lockdown. So that's a good example of a country. Their ICU now for 10 and a half million people is down to less than 40 beds for corona out of 10 and a half million people. And their deaths have gone to pretty much zero. And they say we will continue to apply the science. have gone to pretty much zero. And they say we will continue to apply the science. It's gone very well. We could have protected the care homes better because they got 70% plus in care homes and they thought they could protect them and they didn't actually succeed. So they say that's the only place we actually went wrong and we learned from it. But that's it. And then more extreme

examples are Belarus in Eastern Europe. And their president said, I'm not doing a lockdown. This was in March. And he brought all of his staff and army into a huge gymnasium, shoulder to shoulder, you know. And this is when the epidemic was starting. No masks, no nothing. And he told them in a lecture that he had looked at the data. He didn't believe it, and he said,

we are not going to react in a psychotic way and pretty much we're going to follow the science and if things develop negatively, we'll take more measures. And Belarus have one of the lowest death rates now in Europe with no lockdown. And we have five published papers in institutes, America Woods Hole Institute, Oxford University. We have a German University of Professors of Mathematics there, and Israel. Multiple published papers showing mathematically with no real question that the lockdowns did not

connect to any major benefit in all countries across Europe and the world, including in America. So we have the answer about lockdowns, but no one wants to hear it now. You know, it's very embarrassing. It's caused huge destruction. To admit that it didn't do anything over safe distancing, smart distancing, is unthinkable. So it looks like, you know, the wagons are circled. The lockdown did magical works. And now we need to do more stuff if we're taking away the lockdown to prevent this spread, which makes no scientific sense in the summer in countries that have collapsed the epidemics over.

sense in the summer in countries that have collapsed the epidemics over you should be allowing a certain amount of safe transmission during the summer when the mortality is on the floor and have more community immunity built up before the winter where some people will be challenged that's it you know when we pay attention to to sw Sweden and Belarus, a lot of people would wonder, well, did they do so well because like their population density, etc. Because when you look at places like here in California, right, there was we I think we got rid of the lockdown like a month and a half ago or two months ago. had more testing. So the numbers kind of went up and then we locked down again and people are saying, oh, we should have just kept the lockdown. If we kept the lockdown, the numbers wouldn't have spiked. So when we're looking at that, what, how should people look at that? Because people are now saying, oh, it's because we stopped locking down that we're not having more and more cases and more deaths. Yeah. So the first thing there is cases are useful in the rise of a real epidemic where deaths are rising. You know, cases help you predict and control what's going on.

But when a thing is plateaued, like a flu-like illness is in its flattened curve or a Gumpertz curve where it's coming down, and Northern Europe is like that and Northern America, you see a rapid rise, community immunity kicked in, the susceptible now are sadly deceased, and you see a long, slow collapse. Once you're in the collapse, cases become almost useless, you know, because you're past the peak, you're coming down. What you can do during that period, peak are coming down. What you can do during that period, unfortunately, is create a case-demic, I call it, and get people now when the deaths are gone and the epidemic has faded or the deaths are very low and the problem is effectively faded, you can start hysteria around a case-demic. So you can do more testing and you'll get more cases and the graphs look terrible. Or you can even see more cases, but the mortality is not really spiking. So it doesn't really mean

much. And we saw this in the 2009 swine flu, that after the mortality had faded, there were certain elements in society that wanted to panic and there was hyper testing going on. And I have a graph I can send later. And it shows in the summer, an enormous peak of positive cases. And they're all newspaper articles panicking, but the deaths were not there. So coronaviruses are seasonal, but you will find coronaviruses throughout the summer if you keep testing. And you'll find even more in the winter. But the million-dollar question is, do you have an epidemic level of mortality and intensive care? And if the answer is no, our mortality is only 50 per million average, or one or two per million per day. Like recently, Florida was a couple per million people per day.

That's not an epidemic. Doesn't matter how many cases you have. Are we seeing an epidemic impactful scenario? So I don't know if I explained that right, but you've got to look at the death rates. Now, I know they lag from the testing. That's true. So if your cases shoot up in a real epidemic, it will be followed by death. But if you've plateaued or are falling, cases rising in younger people often are not really followed by much of a mortality impact. And you got to stand back and say, how big an impact is this really? And that's where I think California, because because of the hysteria the massive testing everything's gotten blurred you know i've heard you uh say that you know multiple times that you don't feel lockdowns have really done oh you're still there we'll have to begin he should come back

hopefully technical difficulties okay sorry about that that's okay hello we can hear you yeah we can hear you we just hear my audio when the screen was gone we have your audio right now and we can't see you at the moment but uh i think we'll just continue onward i think we're we're i think we're good to go oh yeah we'll we'll roll on i might look at it in a moment yeah um i was gonna ask um you know with your background being in uh comorbidities uh insulin you know insulin resistance slash uh pre-diabetes diabetes how does that play into it um because i i feel like the media is trying to scare us with that, too. If somebody, you know, is 30, 40 pounds overweight, if someone's obese, I think that that they're being kind of shamed at the moment. And some people that have some of these comorbidities, are they really at much greater risk? Are those the risks that are connected to deaths when it comes to coronavirus?

Do we know that yet? Yeah, I'd say very much so, Mark. So even at the earliest stage from China, we were getting the data and I was looking at it back in February. And you had around 10 times the risk for being aged, understandably, but also for having hypertension COPD diabetic dysfunction cardiovascular disease and all four of those are basically all tied up in a ball they're all insulin resistance leptin resistance so I kind of looked and said okay that makes sense because insulin sensitivity enhances the immune system makes it ancestrally powerful. And insulin resistance states really hit your immune system in a really bad way because they make one part of your immune system that you want

very active, less active, and then they make the cytokine storm overreact, which is what kills a lot of people. So I interviewed Dr. Ron Rosedale, who was the doctor 25, 30 years ago, who discovered the importance of insulin and leptin. He's an absolute expert. And we had a podcast on it. And he went through exactly that, that leptin is not just a hormone released by fat cells. It works in the brain. It signals in myriad ways. And it's also a cytokine and intimately involved in immune system response, you know, along with IL-6 and other things. And he basically said, when you're a leptin resistant, your immune system is greatly impaired. So what we're seeing is, I would say there's a massively higher risk if you are leptin resistant with high leptin, low adiponectin, high insulin, any of these measures, which they're not measuring, by the way, of course, as you know, but if you measure them, you'd find that's where a massive amount of the risk of poor outcomes is. And vitamin D is another good one, not just as a supplement, but vitamin D status is an

excellent marker of insulin sensitivity and metabolic health. And we've seen multiple studies now showing that people below 20 nanograms, as opposed to above 30 nanograms per mil, they have around 10 times the death and poor outcome, you know, if you're below 20. And again, that makes sense because below 20, you're metabolically in poor shape and above 30, you're an ancestral level. But it's just interesting. There's a 10 times difference. So if you imagine you take someone with a vitamin D of 17 nanograms, insulin resistance, high leptin, you know, visceral fat, your average person these days, unfortunately, in America.

And if you took that person, and over a few weeks, crash course, interval training, low-carb or keto diet, fasting, magnesium, potassium, and getting sun exposure, healthy sun, and a few more things, and you put them on a rigorous program, in a few weeks, their risk could go down by a factor. I mean, a factor of three, four, five, if they got infected with the same dose. So there's this huge lever of what actually enables severity from this disease. And no one's talking about it, as you well know, around the world. They're all talking about lockdowns, which in contrast, have been proven in multiple published papers to be almost ineffective. So it's a topsy-turvy world. And this is what drew me in back in April.

What's going on is essentially anti-scientific. And it's hard to understand that the whole world can pursue unscientific approaches and completely ignore what's apparent, well, at least apparent to me and all my doctors and people around the world. And that's where we are. And I'll just throw in one thing that drove me crazy a couple of weeks ago. Ireland's finished the epidemic. In winter, we may have more susceptible people, sadly, but we're finished. And they took down the lockdown slowly. And then suddenly in June, July, I think it was July, suddenly they said we're going to

mandate masks on public transport by law with a prison sentence and a two and a half thousand dollar fine. And I just could not believe what I was seeing. We've passed the epidemic. We're out of it. The science is clear, pretty much. And you're bringing in mandatory masks now. And a week or two later, they brought in mandatory masks in stores. And it's like, I honestly, I'm speechless. And I talked to that professor of immunology, and he just shook his head. He said, you're as well off wearing a helmet walking down the street in Switzerland now, which is like Ireland, because there's more chance of something falling on your head than the mask giving you any benefit. You know, this is a top professor. So, yeah, I'm not sure where they're going with this, because if you bring in a mask mandatory at the end of an

epidemic, when exactly do you take it back out? I mean, what's the exit strategy, you know? Do you feel that masks are effective in any way, even like if we're in the middle of an epidemic? Well, I propose masks as an alternative to lockdown back in March. I said, why don't we just wear masks, wash hands, if you're asymptomatic, stay at home and do the usual world standard bad flu guidelines, which don't include masks, by the way. Up until 2019, they said no masks because 30 years of science generally showed that they were very ineffective for viral problems. Now, they were useful to stop spittle from a surgeon's mouth and hair and pieces of skin dropping down into a wound. A little bit more bacterial than viral, right? Absolutely. And only with the proviso that after use, you destroy the mask, obviously, because you're going to have bacteria and all over it.

But now we've got reusable masks for viruses. And I could not believe when that came out, because even in America, where the South, in fairness, let's say we make an exception, and we say, well, the South is on a Mexico seasonal pattern, rising slowly through April, May, June, July, August. But the Northeast and the Midwest, to a large extent, are the European pattern. And they went up in March and down in April and went down to nothing. I mean, what on earth will a mask do there? It's like Ireland or Switzerland or Sweden. You know, you've kind of gone through your curve.

I mean, this is the same as prior flu-like illnesses in that regard. And once you're past the epidemic in your region season, then really, there's nothing really to do but just keep washing your hands and get ready to protect the new susceptible in the winter. And you can do that because we just said, you know, you can go to a nutrient-dense diet, meat, fish, eggs, pull out the sugars and carbohydrates, get those older, sicker people, insulin sensitive, and you're going to make a huge impact on next winter. But they don't want to do that. They want to just keep doing lockdown stuff. Sorry, I'm just getting frustrated talking about it. I remember hearing rumors about people being able to

contract the virus twice is there any truth to any of that contract the virus by uh so i just remember rumors like early on about um like hearing reports of people uh contract contracting the virus twice uh i think that's that's part of why like the uh the second wave uh you know fear mongerings uh going on so is there any truth to that well scientifically no so you can say anything you can say when when the moon is in a certain phase, the virus will get stronger. Many of us will die. And I can't prove that that's untrue.

But the fact is now six or seven months. In fact, it's been out since November. It's in the sewage in Italy and in Brazil since November, maybe before. And we've been through the cycle in many countries. maybe before. And we've been through the cycle in many countries. And there isn't a single credible instance of catching it a second time in that six months. So the reality is that in Sweden, they made the same point recently. And they made the point many times over the last few months. They have been monitoring extremely closely. There is not a single instance of reacquiring it. And that's why their immunology people in their team, they're saying, no, this is like a classic

virus, which to be honest, you should expect that it is. And the immunity gained post an event is pretty solid. So they're really only thinking about next winter now, like I said. So this catching it again appears to be a tool of quasi-terrorism. And the second wave seems to be a tool. A lot of these things, I think, are not impossible, but they make no sense to be pushing to the public. A proper crisis manager, like the Swedes, or let's say we had FDR back again or something, right? A real war president. They would run this with a stiff upper lip, use the best of the science, take a balance between risk and keeping our society freedoms and our economy alive, and be ready to take action if the very unlikely happened. If you actually truly began to see

a resurgence of mortality, that's very clear. Do you know what I mean? I mean, I was a crisis manager in many, many hundred million dollar issues when I was in my engineering world. And they were a big deal. They didn't involve people's lives, of course, but they were massive amounts of money. And you got to be real cool headed. And this is killing me this thing in the last three months, because only the Swedes really are running it with a cool head. And I guess Belarus and a lot of countries in Europe now actually, in fairness to them, like in Belgium and others, they've had death rates per million up at around 700 or 800, which is double Ireland and higher than Sweden and the UK.

But they are there now basically back to business. Because the Belgian experts kind of see it the way I see it. We've been through the epidemic, and it's kind of back to the old normal now, unless something unusual happens. You know, it's monitor and get people back to normal for obvious reasons. normal for for for obvious reasons so i am curious about this because nowadays when you hear an individual that's speaking against corona on the news talk about it and compare it to the flu people are now saying this is nothing like the flu obviously it spreads easier but if we do like if we do take comorbidities out of the equation, not all of them like old age, but individuals being obese, etc., there is a narrative that's also going around that, oh, it is killing more young people now, which you don't see. At least I don't see as actually being true. So is there any comparison here to the flu, or is it something that is totally different and we shouldn't be comparing it to the flu? Or is it something that is totally different, and we shouldn't be comparing it to the flu? Ah, no, that's a great question. All right. I would say that it's

comparable to a bad influenza in nearly every way that matters. So essentially, it would look from the all cause mortality across the whole of Europe, 400 million people, we have got the excess mortality related to this for 2020. That's around 175,000. It was a tough flu season. And the year 2000 was higher again. We're not sure, but it's over 200. So it's comparable in impact to a very bad flu season. However, it's a shorter, sharper season. Usually a bad flu season with, say, 140,000 excess deaths in Europe would be over four or five months. But this happened in a few weeks, hence the overloading of the hospitals.

So there was a long, low flu season for the last year and a half in Europe, and there was very little extra mortality. So a lot of susceptible people built up. very little extra mortality. So a lot of susceptible people built up. And then right through 19, 2020, January, February, March, there was very little flu action. And then suddenly corona appeared. And it obviously caused a major impact. But an impact from a bird's eye view, it's like a bad flu season. In seasonality that I described already, like Brazil, Peru, Mexico, Southern USA versus Northern USA, Northern Europe, it's very like the flu. In transmission, it's broadly like the flu, maybe a higher transmission, but not out of this world. So I think it's perfectly fair to compare it to a flu, but not say it's just like any old normal flu because it's more severe in impact. So I presume when people say you can't

compare it to a flu, unless they're clueless, they just mean this has hit harder than the average generic flu. But it's certainly not as bad as the 57 flu or 68 or even 2000 in the numbers. So yeah, I'd say it's a flu-like illness. Corona follows a similar seasonal pattern. Usually, coronaviruses have very low impact. This one has a high impact. But in some ways, that makes it more like the flu than a normal corona. And the other thing is that the coronaviruses, talking to the professor of immunology, though I have around five or six published papers on this now, it has a lot of commonality with previous coronaviruses. So the reason that an infected

person in these studies where they track them with the people who are living in the house with them while they were symptomatic, no masks, and maybe three or four out of five people intimately with them don't get it. You've got 70% of people from the get go who are not really going to experience anything. And the reason is cross immunity. They've got mucosal antibodies. They've got T-cell immunity. They have all of this machinery of our immune system that's been poked and primed by previous coronaviruses over the decades. So they actually, the coronavirus is a new virus, but as Professor Stadler says, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's new because every virus when it first

comes out is technically new, but huge amounts of its proteins and peptides and structures have commonality with prior coronaviruses. And that's why it does not hit the population as a truly new disease with no immunity. We've got around 70% immunity from the get-go, and then the remaining 20% to 30%, some of them sadly die, a lot of them get severe problems, and the rest of them then develop new immunity to the new aspects of this new coronavirus. So, since it is so similar to a very bad flu, or bad flu, like you said, my wife is pregnant and we would be taking all precautions necessary when flu season comes around because she will still be pregnant when our normal traditional flu season comes around. But should we be taking any extra precautions because she is pregnant when it comes to trying to avoid coronavirus? Well, yeah, that's an interesting one.

And again, Prof. Stadler brought it out specifically. This pretty much doesn't affect young children, younger people, or pregnant women at all. And he said people should kind of be celebrating that because a bad flu does. So the good thing so far from the data is it's aged or people with significant metabolic disease, even if it's undiagnosed. Early on, I saw to my astonishment in early April, I think there was a big article,

pregnant women in New York, a large large number they randomly tested them and 16 percent were full positive in the pcr and they were pretty much all asymptomatic right so there's not a single thing i've heard and and various profs have said yeah it's not affecting pregnant women or younger people which a bad flu actually does. So from the data, I'd say less worry about this. And I continue to maybe have some concern if a bad flu came along. Would there maybe be some concern over blood sugar? Because I know that sometimes that can be an issue for women that are pregnant, they can become like pre-diabetic. Would that be something to keep an eye on? Oh, yeah, yeah. There's that kind of uh diabetes effect yeah there's two

states in humankind where insulin rises and you become pro-diabetic and that's teenage adolescence and pregnancy and there's reasons for that i'd say yes it would make a lot of sense to avoid that scenario that gestational diabetes type scenario, if at all possible, because that will increase susceptibility. That said, though, the data so far from America, where you're going to have a lot of that, if we're fair about it, still says pregnant women are not being affected in spite of that. But yes, if you want to be really careful the best thing you can do insulin down blood glucose down diabetic physiology lowered uh that's where safety lies so um yeah so then we solved it if you want to be immune from coronavirus just get pregnant do we also know

why they're not affected like well their immunity goes up i'd imagine when you're pregnant you produce all kinds of hormones right yeah there may be that effect and also the pregnant women maybe there's an age factor too that you know this is very age targeted the corona and below like 50 and when you're heading below your mid-40s, the risk really tumbles to the floor. And, you know, most pregnant women are going to be down that age. So there might be a bit of confounding with age. But because the flu, a bad flu, doesn't respect age so much, it can hit pregnant women, even if they're young. And, of course, it can hit children and infants.

And it does. So Professor John Iannidis stanford uh one of the most scientists in the world brilliant man he got in a bit of trouble for pointing these things out pointing out the immunity is much greater than we thought the no we lost you again if you can hear us there we go oh we lost you again if you can hear us there we go right we got you okay i think it's your fault that's what i say i'll take it yeah but this one's on me it's always america's i suspect and i i don't want to say, I bet you it won't happen again now.

That's just my instinct. And gone. There'll be no second wave of this shit. Okay. Can you walk us through some of the complications of testing? walk us through some of the complications of testing because, you know, they so that we see that the cases are rising, but are the cases really rising? I don't even know if you would have knowledge as to what's the most common form of testing, how accurate that is, and if someone is concerned, what test they should try to go get?

Yeah, so the various tests, there's quite a few different versions, but they're all the PCR kind of genetic multiplication. And what they do is they find, if imagine a virus that's got tons of proteins and peptides, all kinds of structures. Well, what the tests are doing is finding just one or some test, two, or the best tests, three different pieces of structures. Well, what the tests are doing is finding just one or some test two, or the best tests, three different pieces of protein that are associated with SARS-CoV-2. And there is some talk about cross-reactivity. They could pick up a positive from another coronavirus, though they tried to make the better tests not do that. But I'd say the main problem I would see, and I verified this with Prof. Stadler, is that the specificity, they are quite high that 99%

of the time, if it's positive, it's very likely is SARS-CoV-2. And it sounds good that only 1% of the time, it'll give you a false positive. And that sounds great. You say 99% and all the politicians and all the epidemiologists say it's 99%. It's amazing. Problem is you test 1000 people, you can get 10 cases that don't exist, but you get 10 cases. So when you're in low levels of cases and high level of testing, 99% is useless. So in Ireland, I think in the last while, there was a figure we did 20,000 tests and we got like, I don't know, around 25 cases. So they could all be false. They probably are false.

It's meaningless. are false. It's meaningless. So that's the big problem is the specificity that if you're doing a lot of testing at the end of an epidemic where you're not really seeing any much death and not much going on, you're going to get a ton of false positives. Maybe a big chunk of your actual case graph is false positives from the test. So that's shocking. The other massive problem is Korea discovered this and they published in April. So in March, Korea said, you can get reinfected. We have 250 people and they had it. They were covered and they tested positive again. And everyone was, that's where a lot of this reinfection BS came from. So everyone was, oh my God, like hundreds of people and, you know, these big numbers. And then Korea came out with an announcement and an apology to the world, but not many people covered it.

And they basically said, we've just discovered that those reinfections, it was actually dead fragments of virus. And they discovered that you can get the PCR positive a couple of months after someone's had the disease and they're clear. positive a couple of months after someone's had the disease and they're clear. So they said the half-life of the cells being gotten rid of and the viral fragments is a couple of months, maybe three months. So now you've got a load of positive tests that are just people who had it and they're now okay. So if you add that to the specificity, you got this huge blur of noise from your test results, you're over testing, and your mortality is leveled and is falling. And you've got a case damic, like I mentioned before. And that's a disaster because it keeps the fear alive, the confusion,

you know, and it's not based on good measurement and good data. But no one seems to really care too much. They actually don't seem too worried about what I just said. They must have an idea of it. They just don't seem too worried. I think everyone in power just seems to be happy to hyper test, put a thousand million watt arc light onto this thing like we never did for influenza. And when it begins to go away and wanes like an influenza season, they seem to turn up the wattage higher and do more tests. I can't understand it. Do you think some of that comes from Fauci? Well, you know, there's no question.

I mean, because Fauci has gone on the record and most of what he says is fueling fear. So, yeah, I mean, it's coming from Fauci. It's coming from the WHO. The WHO basically got on to all the countries in Europe after the epidemic waned in Europe. And it's truly on the floor. And even Sweden with no lockdown is on the floor. And it's happy days, to be honest. And the WHO moved in and said to all the countries, you need to get masks in, mandatory masks. So you're saying, okay, what is the WHO thinking?

All along, they said masks are not really in any use. And now when it's kind of ended until next winter, they're telling all the countries to use masks. So I'd say the WHO, the likes of Fauci, the Imperial College London that came out with the predictions of death that threw everyone into a panic, and Neil Ferguson there, they were out by a factor of 10 to 12 in their estimates. And you can see that from the Chinese data. The IHME, I think, America, came out with massive predictions. So there's all these organizations and top people who are extremely influential, the top influencers, and they're all coming out with the same kind of thing. So basically, everything they're saying, no matter what happens, as the curves come down,

things get better. It's looking more like a seasonal flu that's over. Increasingly, they come out with more and more fear. So if more youth are getting it, right, and the mortality drops because it's young people now and it's almost safe infection, they say, oh, the youth are getting it and they're going to kill the old people. And there's more infection now in the youth and it's spreading like wildfire. But that could be seen scientifically as a good thing. Because when an epidemic wanes and you keep testing more and more,

you know, you will tend to see it in younger, younger people with less impact. But they seem to say this is a bad thing. And just back toauci briefly fauci came out the other day and i couldn't make this up i have to pinch myself every day the past two months but fauci said maybe we should be wearing goggles yeah yeah so he's either being funny i don't know the man personally maybe he's just really humorous he's being sarcastic he a troll. And the press are picking him up wrong. Jesus Christ. Is there a danger to, you know, like I know some of the point of what they've been trying to do. It doesn't seem like it's making any difference. But let's hypothetically say that it's lengthening the amount of time that the virus is around.

Is there danger to that? And is that even something that's potentially happening because of the lockdowns in the beginning, the quarantine and so on? Well, yeah, there is potentially, theoretically. So the lockdowns didn't really do anything for Europe. And to your point earlier, they were done a bit late anyway, because the virus was around for months. But they, along with social distancing, may spread out the curve. And that'll just kind of spread it out to get into the winter, where human immune system function collapses a lot, particularly in susceptible people. So I would say, and the immunologists I've talked to is, once your death rate is down, your hospitals are no longer under pressure and the epidemic has waned and is no longer epidemic. And you're seeing younger and

younger people. At that point, probably you're better off pulling back on all the measures while monitoring hospitals and course and everything and allow more relatively harmless spread because this is never going away. It's endemic. And then maybe allow more cross-immunity and immune reaction so that there's more herd immunity next winter to protect the old people. So even if the old people right now are protected and don't really get exposed, that's fine. Just make sure all the people who are relatively healthy can get it, become immune, and that will protect the older people come winter because people will not get it as much.

So the logic would say, when you've passed the epidemic, allow safe spread. Don't create a case-demic and have everyone panicking. Allow safe spread, monitor the hospitals, monitor the ICUs, and continue like that with maximum reopening and maximum old normal within the limits of being careful, just in case something weird happens. That would be a logical crisis management. And I think, Mark, I always say to people all over the world, they were 100% clear in their message. A few weeks of lockdown to make sure the hospitals are not overwhelmed. We achieved that in a couple of weeks in Europe. The curve turned and suddenly the story changed.

Well, it became different. Now the hospitals are okay and people began to say, oh, lockdown's coming out. No. And eventually it got to the stage with no deaths, where we all have to wear masks under pain of prison. Like how do we get from just protect the hospitals to no life left behind under any circumstances and just let the economy and business just flush down the toilet because all that matters now is coronavirus it's also interesting because you know in the hospital especially in the beginning now at least they have some treatments that seem to be assisting i guess but um there's really nothing they can do at the hospital so you know you know, when I think about, like, should we have locked down at all?

I do think it makes it made sense in the beginning to me to maybe shut things down just for a little bit and say, what the hell is going on? Let's get some of the smartest people that we can. Let's collaborate about this. Let's figure out what's the best way to move forward, because I don't know what's happening. You know, there's this information coming from China. Seems like Italy's getting hit pretty hard. I would hate for that to happen to our country. You know, how do we, you know, how do we get together and how do we prevent this?

But I know it's sad for people to think about people dying and people dying in large numbers and things like that. But sometimes that just happens in our, you know, it happens in our lifetime. There's war, there's tragedies, there's hurricanes, there's 9-11, there's all kinds of things where, that are just horrible to think about. And so when I think about it, I'm like, as horrible as it might be to get through it, at least we would have got through it a lot faster. And I also think that we would have figured it out. I don't think that the hospitals would have been overrun. But, you know, I'm not a medical professional by any means. But what are some of your thoughts on that?

Yeah, America, I haven't looked as much into America as Europe, because I have all the European data. But I've been asked a lot about America. So I've done a certain amount of analysis. And I gave people examples just of logic. So Illinois in mid-March lockdown, and on March 22nd, there was a stay-at-home order, one of the most locked down states in the US. And Florida was a sloppy lock, didn't lock down, got a lot of heat. And on April 3rd, did a kind of a lockdown. And at the time, Illinois was four times the death rate of Florida, a super lockdown versus next to nothing. And it was four times higher. So I was just trying to illustrate, look, lockdown might help a bit, but like, it's not a matter of you're saving loads of lives. There's a huge question marks around lockdown. And then the deaths per million,

lockdown. And then the deaths per million. Northeast America recently was around 1,100 deaths per million. Maybe it was 900. That's quite a lot, 0.1%. But the South of America, no one was talking about the Northeast because it had been through the curve and now there were very few deaths. But they were all talking about the South but i was kind of telling people look the south is only at around 200 per million now and i think texas at the time was all 150 per million and they're getting two to three people dying per million people per day so it seemed people didn't really they weren't able to realize two people per million inhabitants dying per day. That doesn't sound like a huge amount, but that's the numbers. And I don't think the authorities are giving that perspective. If you draw a graph of Northeast America mortality, it goes up in March and down in April. And the South, even in Texas and Florida, is just way lower mortality,

but it did start rising. But it's rising in a Mexico-like hump that suits its region. But it's still only going to reach maybe a third or a quarter of the deaths per million as the Northeast of America. But people might not be able to realize that. Look, all deaths are tragic. But imagine when we come out of this, we'll be four times less death per million than the Northeast. And we've already been through the Northeast and it's finished. I don't know if people know these numbers. I try to do little videos with the graphs and I can send you a link or two on what I just described. Two, two minute videos on USA. And again, I don't want to judge USA. I don't want to really get involved in any politics, but just explaining the data to

people so they can kind of get a picture. The graphs in all the newspapers, as an engineer, they showed the very worst graph format in order to scare people. There's no Financial Times. They are always choosing the data, the timeframes, and the scales to make it look shocking. And that's what worries me. A stiff upper lip, old-fashioned media 50 years ago would present some of the figures I'm talking about and put it in perspective. The modern media? No, it's a hysteria engine. And I think the 1957 or 68 flu that was much worse than this, no question about that whatsoever. It got page three on the newspapers down the bottom. I mean, Woodstock happened, they went to the moon. People just accepted it was a bad flu and older people were getting hit

pretty hard. But back then, the philosophy was you don't do lockdowns. You just take care of the ill and wash your hands and take reasonable measures. So things have changed. In 2020, it appears we can literally become utterly panic-stricken. With all due respect to the deceased, I don't think there'd be too many more or less regardless of what we did, sadly. I think the viral is extremely complex. It's pervasive. Brazil has COVID-2 in the sewage, human sewage, November 2019. It only rose in deaths in April, May. So there's a whole question around dormancy too. And Italy had November 19 in the sewage, but it shot up in March and down in April. Would we have better results with testing our poop?

Well, Massachusetts in April was finding a ton of COVID in the poop up in Boston and Massachusetts State. Or maybe it was March before things really got bad. And they were just saying, guys, we think this is all over the place. And it was. You know, I think with a high transmissibility virus that was in the US and Europe in January, arguably back in December, November, it was flowing through the population. By the time lockdowns happened, it was just waiting to spike in its seasonal trigger of the virome. So I just think a lot of them are missing the point. They're correlating lockdowns. They don't correlate. I think a lot of this was kind of predestined, but there's a huge belief that we can magically affect it. So to your point, Mark, it's not disrespecting people who are deceased. People die. Viruses come and go. It's not our fault. It's the virus's fault. But the management of it, I think the cost benefit of what was done was kind of crazy.

The damage, the starvation around the world, the economic damage, the suicides, the cancer diagnoses missed all over the world. Heart disease issues., basically everything was thrown down the trash because only Corona mattered. And I don't think that served humankind. And I don't think it saved lives. I think in fact, the opposite. I think the long-term overall suffering and debt will be much higher because of the way it was handled. You know, there's a lot of people in my life right now that continue to watch the news that are extremely anxious and scared of everything that's being told to them. Because like you said, when you see graphs, they set things up. So it looks extreme and scary. And it is a don't want you to make it short, but if we can have a bulletproof point of what we should actually be paying attention to in terms of the percentages, the deaths, the cases, what should people actually put their eyes on and what should they maybe try to ignore? Right. Well, I would say deaths per million population, which you can get on the web. And there's a website I can send a link to where you can get deaths per million for U.S. states

and also regions, Northeast, South, Midwest, and West. And if you look at deaths per million graphs for those, you'll see what I described. You'll see that the South is rising, but I think it's already turning. And it's much lower overall than Northeast. You'll get a perspective. And I'd say cases at this point are nearly meaningless because you can over test and you can get a positive a month after you've recovered. What does that mean? test and you can get a positive a month after you've recovered. What does that mean? So I'd say deaths per million. And in fairness, ICU rates of utilization for COVID. Now, that's also a problem because the ICU rates, if you go in now for another thing, but you've got covid in the pcr you're called a covid case and i it's been reported from america fairly authoritatively that if you break your leg and go in you get a pcr test you're a covid hospitalization yeah yeah so i mean the data you got to be i say icu that's clearly covid but deaths per million is the real measure when you're in the hump or coming down the far side. Debts per million.

Are they coming down? If they're coming down, that's the big deal. And overall, deaths per million in the figures for the areas of the country or the overall country. America's around 450 deaths per million. It'll probably finish this in the next month or two, maybe up to 600, bit like Europe. That's the way it's looking. Northeast, Midwest, kind of finished. South and West, long and low level, rising, and I believe it's turning down now. I don't know. That's not

a single bullet, but debts per million is the bullet. Got it. Are we seeing anything from an economic standpoint, like socioeconomic standpoint and or race? Is there, you know, are different races contracting the virus and maybe reacting to it in a different way? Like, what are we seeing with that? way? Like, what are we seeing with that? Yeah, I've done a couple of interviews on race with Asim Malhotra in England, the crusading cardiologist who's Indian Asian, and a black doctor, Kwajo, in Canada, and a couple others. And they're very concerned. So in England and America, I think it's around the same, maybe three times the risk approximately if you're a black or Indian type extraction. And some of it is socioeconomic in the sense that, yes, maybe poor, less metabolically healthy related to social status. But in England, 19 out of the 20 doctors that died of COVID

were black or Indian, Asian. So it's not just socioeconomic or lower, poorer food, lower money. It is kind of racial. And we do know that black people and Asians in the UK and America are profoundly low on vitamin D, just because of a mismatch between UV exposure expected and what you're really getting on your skin in Northern Territories, especially in March or April after the winter. So yeah, I'd say it's a racial issue with vitamin D and poor metabolic health, higher diabetes rates in Asians. They pop out a little tummy quicker, they get diabetic quicker. They don't have as high a personal fat threshold to expand and stay non-diabetic so i'd say this is a problem as far as the vitamin d is concerned

because like you mentioned that earlier in the podcast obviously getting outside but how like how many eyes of people i use of vitamin d should be people be taking each day like 10 000 if they're an upper limit to what you want to try to get in? Well, the toxicity is pretty established that if you're below around 30,000, there's no evidence from studies of toxicity a day, but 10,000 would be seen as the super safe limit. So some people like to take 50K and they think it's magic. I'm with that but i'd say 10 000 is the upper bound reasonably unless you're under a doctor's guidance and you're profoundly low and they're giving you super high dose and four or five thousand a day would be maintenance during the winter to not go low ideally you get uv because the uv that gives you the vitamin d It has two or three times the residence time for reasons they're not

sure why. It also, the UV gives you nitric oxide, which is super important for vascular and other health. And actually a lot of the correlations between vitamin D and good health may be related to extra sun exposure and higher nitric oxide you got. So I'd prefer to get my vitamin D high by getting healthy sun exposure or UV lamps like Spurty in America. I'd also like to get my vitamin D high. There's other ways of getting your D high. And people don't realize this. If you're a bit diabetic and eating shit, right, and you suddenly go on a low- diet that's nutrient dense your vitamin d will shoot up in the coming months without taking any d or any sun so vitamin d is a profound marker for for insulin resistance for inflammatory disorders for all of the problems that we'd be aware of

and if you actually fix those problems through another route you know by nutrient dense diets interval training, fasting, get your potassium, magnesium, you bring up your metabolic health. Guess what? Your D will go right up, even though you didn't take any pills or get much sun. So it's acting as a marker. So it's just a super marker in general, but I think it's an amazing one for COVID. Like I said, 10 times the risk of death if you're below 20 versus above 30. There's much weaker correlations with just heart disease and cancers. So COVID seems to be a very important one. And it's not just supplements. It's ideally sun, but it's super ideally nutrient-dense diet. Get your leptin and insulin resistance right down, and you will join the above 30 club. That's the way I see it.

Does the antibody test, does that do anything for us? Like, does that give us, is that test pretty effective? And what would it do for us? There's lots of different ones, but my big concern and the immunologists I've talked to around the world, Ireland has a 5% antibody positive. Sweden that's come through this and has de facto community immunity has only 7%. The world is saying, oh, look, they only have five. They only have seven. 95, 93% are still exposed if it came back. Duh, no. It's gone through the population. The epidemic's over,

but only a small percentage of people who are de facto immune will show antibody. They're the people who went to the stage of antibody generation defenses. Often people who are more affected or got a higher viral load or who are less healthy go right back to that high level immune response but like i said the tracing studies for people who are symptomatic with people in their buildings and houses no masks often three or four out of five people never got it and they were mixing freely with a higher oral virus. And this was seen in studies of flu transmission. So there's an immunity in the population, even at the level of your mucus layers, where you can just fight this off and never get near an antibody response,

or T cell could fight it off, never near an antibody response. So I think they're grossly underestimating the true practical immunity. And that's why I think it's become another tool of fear that I don't think is scientific at all. What other countries have made it through? You mentioned Ireland and Sweden. It seems like they're done slash finished. And then what do you mean by that terminology that they're done with the epidemic? Well, most of Europe now, almost all of Europe has gone through their Gompertz curves.

So Professor Michael Levitt, who I interviewed, Nobel Prize winner in chemistry, he worked all this out from the math from the Chinese data back in February. And he saw that from the Chinese infection curve and mortality, that it was never exponential and it curled over naturally, not necessarily to do with lockdowns. And then he looked at the Italian data. So basically, for Northern Europe and the Lotto regions and Northern US, you've got this Gompart's curve that naturally happens. So when you're down the end of that, regardless of your measures, that's when I say you're out of it. So the comment from Professor Stadler at the end of the interview is, well, he said, I wish you all the best in Ireland,

but in Switzerland, we're finished with this. And that's from the vaccine pope, the top, one of the top immunologists in the world, because he said, we're finished with it until a winter resurgence, which is normal. And he said, in Ireland, you are too. Because in Switzerland, they had, I don't know, five or 600 deaths per million. Ireland had 380. They're pretty much there. It's gone through the population until next winter. And most of Europe is in that position, but unfortunately, I guess there are, as he would call, immunity deniers. The only way you go through that classic curve,

regardless of measures, and come into a tail is when you're through it and you have de facto herd immunity, you know, until next season. I mean, it's elementary to him. He just can't understand how his colleagues are denying fundamental T-cell mucosal cross immunity with prior coronavirus peptides. He says the whole lot is being denied on the television. immunology students who are now in careers and even colleagues they say to him secretly it's great you're coming out and explaining this and he says but why don't you and he said they answer me we've got careers the environment right now you can't say it so can you imagine that i mean that that's not a conspiracy theory that he was laughing as he told me it he finds it

extraordinary that whatever's going on in the world immunologists cannot be open on the science because there's a narrative for whatever reason and you can't knock the narrative even by quoting like real science that you learned in college i don't know it's it's unusual right yeah real quick i was curious about this because i remember um back when the numbers of deaths were coming out a few months ago uh china like there there was a lot of deaths a lot of us and then the next day they had two i was curious about the data from china is that data about deaths is it accurate like for them reporting it? Because it seemed to be here, and then it immediately went down. Yeah, I'd say there are some question marks around Chinese data, possibly.

Or it's possible it's pretty accurate. Professor Levitt made the point, well, okay, everyone says the China data used, you can't trust it. But he said, in principle, they would have had to have a time machine because Italy data was the exact same curve shape. Now, the absolute data for different regions, maybe not. But his point was it mathematically followed the Gompertz curve, just like Italy did, and later all the countries did. So they couldn't make up data that happens to accurately be what you should see. So it probably

was accurate enough. But the Chinese data doesn't really matter now because we've got all of our own since March. So it doesn't really matter anymore in a way. Got it. When we factor in age, what does the actual death rate look like worldwide from a percentage standpoint? death rate look like worldwide from a percentage standpoint? Oh, so the worldwide debt rates are very small because huge areas of the world have extremely low debt rates. So Europe has leveled off and kind of finished. Like I described earlier, what finished was not completely finished, but you're out of it until next winter. completely finished, but you're out of it until next winter. Europe is around 400 per million, or 0.04% is the population fatality rate after it's passed through. And the US is currently around similar, but it might be up to 500 per million now at a guess,

but it might be up to 500 per million now at a guess, but 0.05%. And Professor Levitt says that generally, from all the math, from all the data, around 500 or 600 per million people is kind of the average where you're kind of finished with it. And if you look into that, it's going to be average age in the high 70s or 80, and it'll be mostly comorbid. So most of that small percentage is being made up by aged and comorbid. Sure, there's middle-aged people. Sure, there's people in their 20s who may have leukemia, some other problem. There's tragedies everywhere. But Boston, I always remember the pie chart. When they came through their curve, their pie chart showed average age 81. And they had, I think it was 98% with medical conditions. And I was kind of saying, look, no disrespect, but come on, guys.

and i was kind of saying look no disrespect but come on guys you know we we kind of know the picture and the media just never ever emphasized that that was on the boston government website i got that data i never saw any media ever covered the true demographic i think five years i think five years or so from now uh they're going to find out those numbers are probably even half of what you're saying just because of all the, you know, it's we're probably talking about point zero zero something percent. You know, it's probably just keep fading away. Andrew, do you have a question? Yeah, I do. And what's funny is there's definitely something going on with our this podcast in general because now my camera that points at me just went out. But yeah, I know.

This has been an amazing conversation. I can't wait to share this with my family. But one thing that I just remember just totally terrorized my mom was seeing the trucks backing up to hospitals and body bags, you know, all that stuff. You know, like that's the one thing she points at and like gets the chills when she thinks about it. Was all of that propaganda? Yeah, well, I'm not sure they, there were pictures put out showing a person in an ICU

and it turned out to be a dummy. Apparently that was true. And lots of media had pictures that they said were local, but they're actually a picture from Italy. So there was all kinds of kind of chicanery going on with photos. But I think it's a reality that if you have a bad flu spike and your hospitals are pressured, which they were in Italy and they were in New York, which they were in Italy and they were in New York. You do occasionally use over spill facilities, and I guess they may use body bags.

But the thing is, that's kind of a medical behind the scenes thing. I mean, you don't really see a loved one being cremated. It's probably not new. So I think it's probably it's probably not new. You know, they probably have had to do that. There's nothing right exactly but but the media this time had locked their talons into this in italy like never before and there was hysteria building so i think people saw a lot more than they normally would

so if you look across europe and america there's only pockets of overload. In general, the hospitals all handled it fine. And I'll give you an example. 2018 in England, there were big newspaper articles. People don't realize this in the UK. So they have around 50,000 dead with probably a lot of overcounting, to your point, Mark. But the UK were claiming 62,000 dead in headlines in 2018. And I was told by ER docs over there, they had overload in many hospitals because 18 was a bad flu season. But no one said anything and no one covered it. But this year, a lesser number dead, apparently. And it's just wall-to-wall coverage.

And they're getting the cameras in to the refrigeration facilities, and they're getting those cameras in everywhere. So I think it's not so much, it is propaganda, but it's not totally making things up. Propaganda is when you continually reinforce a narrative that we already know. And real investigative journalism is when you challenge a narrative and look for balance or potential other things so we have propaganda because we've have rammed down our throat what we already know constantly we know it's like a bad flu season you know we know there's tragedies and so yeah i i think that that was a professor of pathology, Dr. John Lee told me that definition in an interview with the same question. He said, yes, this is propaganda,

and it started in March. Is there truth to one of the reasons why in South Africa the coronavirus seems to be pretty low is because they've been taking the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine for a number of years. Is there any truth to that? Yeah, it's a possibility. And there's a lot of stuff around HCQ. There's a lot of evidence that suggests it's good when taken early. It's a hard one to answer, though, because I think Africa seasonally and regionally will have a longer slower hump and less impact because of its area of the world so it's hard to tie it to hcq i think there's some interesting things in hcq switzerland for instance stopped using it for a few weeks and the death rate shot up that's quite striking striking on the graph. And then they started using it again and the debt rate went back down

a couple of weeks later with a lag. So there's that and many other associational studies that suggest it has efficacy. But as you know, it's become so political. Yeah, I've heard that with zinc and a Z-Pak that it's actually

quite effective. But I guess, yeah, we won't know for quite some time. Yeah, I think it's such a hot debate that I'm kind of staying out of it because it's controversial enough for me to say what I'm saying to you about the real rates, you know, the real curves, whether or not to be a second wave. All of that is hot enough and all the math to make sure we get it right. But getting into HCQ, you're into an absolute political

minefield, it looks like. Hey, in wrapping things up here, I would love to just kind of, you know, bring up the fact that you made a documentary on helping people to reverse heart disease. And thank you so much for producing that and getting that done, getting that made. I know it costs a lot of money to do things like that. So can you give us a little bit of info on that movie? And I know that more recently you also put out a new book, which helps people live longer and be healthier. Yep. Hey, thanks, Mark.

Yeah, really quickly then. The movie is ExtraTimeMov time movie.com all one word extra time movie.com and you'll get it there and we follow 45 super sports stars from the 90s and they're now in their late 50s and we scan them all and we find a whole load of them with massive heart disease risk but the day before their doctor said they were fine. So a couple of them actually had heart events afterwards and multiple bypass surgeries. Calcium scan, right? Truly saved. Yeah. It was amazing. And one of our guys we follow, he's the hero. He has the 1200 calcium score, which means enormous disease and risk. And we follow him for a year and we rescan him.

And at the end of the movie, you see what he did. So if you can slow down the progression of the calcium or stop it, you don't really need to reverse it. You massively reduce your risk. So we had him on a glucometer. He had to change his diet completely. He was getting huge glucose spikes, even though he wasn't overweight on certain foods and vitamin D, vitamin K2, you know, potassium and a series of other things, new types of exercise. He went on the full program. And let's just say at the end of the movie, when we rescan him, it's a good news story. That's uplifting. And then you have a new book out as well. Rory, it's uplifting.

And then you have a new book out as well. Yeah, I had the book that's out a while ago, Eat Rich, Live Long with Dr. Jeffrey Gerber, Denver's diet doctor. We put a lot into it. It's very comprehensive, but it's easy reading. It's got a ton of recipes from a professional chef in the middle. And later in the book, you get into the science if you want to go deeper.

And then the appendices, you get into the science if you want to go deeper and then the appendices you get the really deep stuff so we've kind of phased it that you only need to go through the basics of what went wrong and what you need to do then you're into meal plans and recipes and all of that stuff and then you can go on to the science but we're just conscious not everyone wants to get into the science always are you uh happy and excited to uh be out of nutrition for at least a little period of time or are you kind of itching to dive back into it are you still studying it at the moment i'm studying at a background level and we have a conference an online seminar on with

actually that doctor organized a quad joe from can the ER doc, and that's on this Sunday. So that's all nutrition. I was in Vinnie Tortorich, uh, given a talk at his conference a couple of weeks ago, and I'm in Dr. Eric Berg's. So I'm kind of, I'm keeping it nudge forward, but because Corona has become such an enormous kind of threat to the world in terms of freedoms and our economy and, and the bad science that's going on. It's been very hard for me, honest, to let it go, Mark. So we're actually making a movie, the same people who made the heart disease movie, Donald O'Neill, that I just talked about. We're actually making a movie on Corona. So it looks like we have funding and we have a production

company in South Africa who've booked in to produce it. So I'll be doing a bit more Corona. Awesome. I can't thank you enough. I think that was very, very informative. And I got to say that I really appreciate the way that you are just looking at the numbers. You're just looking at the facts and you're repeating those facts. And I know that you might get excited or frustrated here or there, but I think you're doing a great job of really being a real journalist and really bringing us the information that's

really, really needed. So thank you so much for that. Thank you, Mark. And guys, great to be here anytime. And I'll send you some links to some of the short videos that visually show you some of the figures I was talking about and graphs for people who are interested. I'm hoping I'm fat enough to be interviewed on your Fat Emperor show, too. Hey, man, I put on a lot of weight in three months of lockdown working seven days a week sitting on my ass in this office. Thanks again. Have a great rest of your day great yourselves too bye yes thank you so much see you later see ya man fantastic i was dope that was awesome that was an awesome interview yeah he uh he crushed it it's um you know and i I want to point out that, you know, everything that we shared, obviously people can have some different views and different opinions because sometimes some of these things come down to your beliefs, right? And so, but the way that I'm seeing things unfold, I just can't help but think that a lot of times we're being very irrational.

I would have to say that, you know, if I was to grade myself on how well I'm doing in terms of keeping myself like in a bubble, you know, against contracting a virus or even passing it on, I would give myself a three, which, you know, you have to. So no other number, though, than a 10 would be effective, right? You would have to be a 10. You'd have to be a 10 out of 10. And then even then, there's not anything, you know, I hugged family members when I was in New Jersey. And I also have my own beliefs.

I don't have a lot of fear over it. I'm not concerned about it really at all. And I have also made peace with the fact that someone that I know may get it. They may get very sick from it. And that could be a possible reality. I've dealt with death several times over in my life, and I just maybe have a different view or perspective of it than maybe most. But again, you're entitled to believe whatever you want. People that wear masks and people that are really trying to distance themselves or people that are concerned, I'm not going to bother to try to place a lot of judgment on that. I just think that it is important that we try to come to a more rational discussion when it comes to these things. Is it possible that a lot of the things that we're doing aren't effective? It appears so.

I hate seeing the United States blamed for so many things. I'm not all that patriotic, but it is annoying and frustrating to see that the people of America keep getting blamed. Well, there's the people in Florida who aren't wearing their mask. Oh, what about the people on the beach? And what about this? I'm seeing a lot of people still follow the rules, right? But again, we're halfway like out, we're halfway quarantine. There seems to be quite a bit of confusion. I mean, it's not confusing to wear a mask. It's not confusing to stay 10 feet away.

However, do you wear a mask inside your home? Do you not get close to anybody? What about if somebody comes to your house and fixes something at your home? What do you do with that? And what do you do with the 27 people that that guy worked for over the last three weeks? The list goes on and on. What about the money in your pocket? What about the dollars and the, how many people have that been touched by?

I mean, hygiene and trying to figure all this out is, uh, is very, very difficult. And I, so rather than getting spurred up about it and fired up about it, I'd love to keep figuring out a way to try to get closer to the truth. And I think that that podcast right there was really helpful. It did a lot of good also in terms of squashing fear. Yeah. He's like, he said,

as far as the news is concerned, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors to get people to pay attention to different things. There's a lot of graphs that are tailored to look scary and look extreme. It's affecting a lot of my family members, especially my mom. And all, all your mom probably couldn't be healthier either.

Right. Exactly. Like she's she's pretty jacked. You said, right. She's pretty jacked. And she's the last person that I would like if if she got it, I honestly would not be worried. I really wouldn't be worried.

But that's the thing. It's just like there's so much being thrown at people to get them anxious, get them scared. All these, you know, the, who the professionals are all saying, do this. It's like, you know, if you don't, are you going to kill somebody on accident? Are you going to, you're going to, you know, are you going to get it and pass away? It scares people, but I like how he clarified everything. He made me, you know, he, the, uh, deaths per million. That's a very good way. way or very good way to go on on looking at it and it makes you understand oh it's really not that bad so yeah and the the title of this uh episode is going to

be uh the case demic i thought that was the the biggest and best thing because i hadn't even really paid attention i don't watch the news but like as far as like the narrative like it did go from deaths to cases all of a sudden. And I didn't really pay attention to that. But when he said, I'm like, oh my gosh, he's totally right. And if you go to Google and you type in, I forgot what it was, but like new cases or something like that. In any number of three digits or like new cases and you type in any three numbers, it will pull up an article from wherever in the country it will show like new hampshire blah blah 347 new cases you type in another random number and it will pull up an article saying that in this town there are x amount of

new cases and that just blew me away and i think that yeah with this episode people are going to realize that and it will squash some of the fear so I'm excited to put this one out yeah this is a shareable one right absolutely yes check this out you know I think Jordan Syatt said it best when he was here and he said a retweet is and I told you so it's like it's the ultimate example of I told you so you know and it's the ultimate example of i told you so you know and i think yeah that this is obviously like falling into a lot of my a lot of my uh beliefs and biases but uh fuck it right yeah and while we're at it just real quick like i'll lean on

people that are listening and watching this uh if you need an i told you so for somebody put it in the comments and i'll make that for you and then you can share that with whoever the hell you want but yeah let's put out a bunch of i told you so's you know in this situation it's funny to say trump was right because you remember when when all the testing started happening like the guy was consistently saying hey we have more tests we're gonna have more cases we have more tests we're gonna have more have more cases. We have more tests. We're going to have more cases. And then for a while, the media was like, really? And they asked him again. And he was like, yes, that's what happens when you test more.

You get more cases. And everyone was like, no, that's not right. There's more. Trump was right. Yeah. One thing is, you know, I would love to see our government. I'd love to see our government review this information. I'm having a hard time understanding.

If they do have a plan, I just don't know what it is. It's hard to know what the plan is. What he mentioned about Belarus, I think, was amazing, where the guy got everybody together, and he was like, all right, here, we're going to explain all this, and if we need to, if I'm wrong, I'll admit that I'm wrong, and we'll talk about it then. But we're going to go on like this. And unfortunately, not from our president or not from our governors, and it just hasn't come from anywhere, hasn't come from anybody

that's able to really do anything about it. It's come from retired people that we've had on the podcast that can now, you know, kind of say, say whatever they need to say and say whatever they want. But yeah, anyway, amazing having Ivor on the show today, really punching holes in this thing. But I really want to strongly advise people to please go check out his YouTube channel. He's got a ton of great information. Check out his podcast. I know that the information from him is very thick. It's not easy to hear him talk about the different things that he talks about, but when it comes to heart disease and I mean, he's really, he's on the forefront of a lot of it you know some of it is said easier or said

uh in a um much easier to digest tone from like a someone like a stan efforting but guys like stan efforting a lot of people that are going out doing seminars and preaching a lot of knowledge uh about nutrition are getting information straight from uh people like ivor cummins so i got the utmost for him. It was amazing having him on the show. The Fat Emperor. What a great name. The Fat Emperor. Why didn't I think of that?

Should have, man. Yeah, that was fantastic. All right. Want to take us on out of here, Mr. Andrew? I will. And sorry I can't put the camera on my ugly face because it went down. So that's amazing. Don't be saying that.

I know. I shaved today, too. You're real cute. I got it cleaned up. It that's amazing. Don't be saying that. And I shaved today too. You're real cute. I got cleaned up. It was getting a little, anyways. Seriously though, I think this is probably

the best conversation we've had when it comes to coronavirus and everything. So I personally am going to share this with, it's going to be hard for me not to share it with somebody.

Send it to Dr. Batar. You can definitely, yeah, we can do that actually. But anyway, so yeah, if you guys found this information helpful especially uh just trying to squash some of the fear please share this with friends and family because there's somebody that you know that needs to hear the whole conversation and and again like i said if you want a simple quick like one minute clip or whatever it is of a i told you so let us know, uh,

do it via the comments here on YouTube and Facebook. Um, if you're listening to this on iTunes, we're super easily accessible. Uh, please reach out to, uh, at Mark Bell's power project on Instagram at MB power project on Twitter.

And like I said, we're on YouTube, Facebook, and even LinkedIn. Uh, my Instagram is at, I am Andrew Z and SEMA, where you be?

Seema Yin Yang on Instagram and YouTube and Seema Yin Yang on TikTok and on Twitter. Instagram's just came out with Instagram Reels. So see ya. I'm taking a picture of Seema's hat. I'm taking a picture of you.

There you go. You keep knocking him down bro and like I'm just going to send him. Oh, I got to flex that. There you go. You keep knocking them down, bro. And like, I'm just going to send him that. See what he thinks about this. This is unfair. He's holding a lot of weight and you're not. I mean, that's the second podcast in a row that you've knocked him down. Yeah.

And those are 75 pound plates, bro. When I first saw that, we're talking about the John Cena doll that's on our. It's an action figure. Action figure. It's not a doll. Action figure. That's on our table. And I immediately called him out and called him a fraud.

Because I'm like, no one's ever made 75-pound plates. But I think someone probably actually did at one point, which is even funnier. I've seen a 50-pound plate before. The old standard ones. Which makes your math all weird. How do you add that up? You start getting really confused. I mean it should have been in 50s. Like the bar should have been 50. Everything should have been

50 but because it's converted to kilos we got killed and we don't know what we're doing. Nope. It's hard to add it all up. Anyway, I'm at Mark Smelly Bell. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never a strength. Catch y'all later. Bye.