Mark Bell's Power Project - Jake Nadermann - Should You Stop Conventional Weightlifting to Improve the Way You Move? MBPP Ep 760

Episode Date: June 30, 2022

Jake is driven to help athletes and people from all walks of life discover that they are free to move without pain and thrive without relying on the modern surgical/medical model. Jake diverged from a traditional medical science education to learn from industry disruptors GOATA and Electrons Plus (Guided PEMF); and he wants to teach you how to take ownership of your health too. Follow Jake on IG: https://www.instagram.com/upleveledmovement/ Join The Power Project Discord: https://discord.gg/yYzthQX5qN Subscribe to the new Power Project Clips Channel: https://youtube.com/channel/UC5Df31rlDXm0EJAcKsq1SUw Special perks for our listeners below! ➢https://thecoldplunge.com/ Code POWERPROJECT to save $150!! ➢Enlarging Pumps (This really does work): https://bit.ly/powerproject1 ➢https://www.vivobarefoot.com/us/powerproject Code POWERPROJECT20 for 20% off Vivo Barefoot shoes! ➢https://markbellslingshot.com/ Code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off site wide including Within You supplements! ➢https://mindbullet.com/ Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://eatlegendary.com Use Code POWERPROJECT for 20% off! ➢https://bubsnaturals.com Use code POWERPROJECT for 20% of your next order! ➢https://vuoriclothing.com/powerproject to automatically save 20% off your first order at Vuori! ➢https://www.eightsleep.com/powerproject to automatically save $150 off the Pod Pro at 8 Sleep! ➢https://marekhealth.com Use code POWERPROJECT10 for 10% off ALL LABS at Marek Health! Also check out the Power Project Panel: https://marekhealth.com/powerproject Use code POWERPROJECT for $101 off! ➢Piedmontese Beef: https://www.piedmontese.com/ Use Code POWER at checkout for 25% off your order plus FREE 2-Day Shipping on orders of $150 Follow Mark Bell's Power Project Podcast ➢ https://lnk.to/PowerProjectPodcast ➢ Insta: https://www.instagram.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ https://www.facebook.com/markbellspowerproject ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mbpowerproject ➢ LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/powerproject/ ➢ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/markbellspowerproject ➢TikTok: http://bit.ly/pptiktok FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢https://www.tiktok.com/@marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ https://www.breakthebar.com/learn-more ➢YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/NsimaInyang ➢Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/?hl=en ➢TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nsimayinyang?lang=en Follow Andrew Zaragoza on all platforms ➢ https://direct.me/iamandrewz #PowerProject #Podcast #MarkBell #FitnessPodcast

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You got to get that saturated fat in there, I think, right? Man, you really get deep in there. You really get deep into the high hip and all that shit. How far in SEMA? It was far. Andrew said you got multiple fingers in the butt cheek, but. Mm-hmm. But there's nothing wrong with that.

He got into my hip and it felt like he was, I had said like 10 inches deep into my butt cheek. Wow. Well, I appreciate the compliment. I'm not even afraid to say that. Thank you. He Lexington steeled you? That means a lot.

The what? Damn. Some of y'all get that. I get it. You get it? Oh, yeah. Hey! Lexington steel. Oh, yeah. The what? Damn. Some of y'all get that. I get it. You get it? Oh, yeah. Hey! I got you now.

Yeah, larger than this liquid death. Talk about death. Talk about death. Death and depth. Mark, on the topic of Black Man, what did you say before the podcast started? I didn't say anything about Black Man. black man okay let's let's what did you say before the podcast i just said that people don't know how to like ask about you about on the show because like our show's getting more popular when i run into people they're like hey man like power project shit seems to be going really good

like i know andrew helps you and like uh there's another guy on the show and I just stare at them I try to make it like more uncomfortable for them I know what they're trying to say I know that they're trying to ask the Jack Black guy but they won't say it and they'll just kind of like look at me and they'll be like I don't they're like I'm not sure how to say his name like they they look at me like they're gonna like almost cry like I don't know how to say

his name don't make me do it like I'm not sure and I'm like in SEMA they're like yeah yeah that guy Like, I don't know how to say his name. Don't make me do it. Like, I'm not sure. And I'm like, Encima. And they're like, yeah, yeah, that guy. I got to say, there's nothing wrong with saying the black guy. Or the Mexican guy. You know, like, I'm black. You're a white guy.

You're a white guy. It's the B word. I've heard people try to tiptoe and be like, African American. Like, let's just like let's just one syllable black right you don't have to say that you said one syllable one syllable one syllable that's right one syllable but the funny thing is i was mentioning on youtube i don't know how i'd react to that yeah that would be weird i'd be like whoa like i must have took a wrong turn wherever the fuck i'm at right now on your show oh but but you know i was as we were laughing about that

it reminded me how do you feel about um you and your latinx dude i don't i have never met anybody that will accept the fucking latin that is the biggest piece of shit i've ever fucking heard in my whole life nobody wants to be labeled latinx like what the shut the fuck up i guarantee you no mexican came up with that shit it was well white women it was it was like a 15 year old little white girl like it was not a fucking mexican that was like i want to be whatever the fuck you know it's like dude don't ever fucking use that ever there brothers and sisters stupid i think the x is because like you know latino or latinas like yeah it's gendered so latin x because well i mean is that why well in spanish if if there was one female in here it's still you said this was one female in here, it's still ustedes.

It's still you guys or nosotros. It's not like we're not going to be able to say all of you as in male and female. It's always masculine, no matter what. Just like when you say you got like, you can talk to a crowd of girls and just be like, all right, guys, come here. Like, it's just a thing. talk to a crowd of girls and just be like, all right, guys, come here.

Like, it's just a thing. So they were just like, oh, how do we correct this? This masculine thing where if there's all girls, you can, you know, say, you know, whatever, female. And then if they're all boys and girls, it automatically defaults to male. It's fucking dumb. Seems like we're trying to correct a lot of the wrong things in this world right now.

Yeah. Yeah, man. Why are we focusing on something like that? We're focusing on a lot of things that failed, I think, you know? And then we're trying to make up for it. But I don't know how well that works. I think maybe just focusing on what we feel is going to be better moving forward might be better. But I don't know.

Hard to say. Dude, what are you doing zapping people with your fingers what's going on you were 10 inches deep in andrew for christ's yeah and you were he's got he got on all your crotches too right yeah yeah he did the thing where so like he's above the shorts and then he's like getting deeper and deeper into the uh like groinish area pretty sure we could sue him there's three of us but then he he went in on the other side and connected, so it was like I was not wearing shorts. He's like, you think a penis pump's effective? What do you think this will do?

It was shocking the area. It was shocking. I need to correct something small since we're on the topic. Okay. I was saying it was glute. Yeah. Okay. The glute.

But I'm a PEMF provider. I'm a guided PEMF provider. That's pulsed electromagnetic field. I use a box called the Electrons Plus. And the Electrons Plus allows me to use my hands like pads. Instead of laying someone down on a bed and putting a couple cushions, a couple pillows around an affected joint, I can guide that current and that frequency in a concentrated fashion to pain points,

or I can just work a whole body session and find what hurts or find what doesn't fire. It's amazing. It's a little bit like a complex, except for you don't have, I'm sure there's a lot of differences and you can go ahead and explain that in a moment, but it's a little bit like having a complex unit and having those pads in different places, except for you have the added benefit of actually being able to move where the pads are just in a fixed position. And on top of that, you're also, I believe you're helping to kind of manipulate the muscles and move stuff around.

And there's probably a lot of feel that goes along with the job, I would imagine. Yeah, for sure. First couple weeks I used the device, honestly, I felt like I was just going rigor mortis, like totally locked out. But as the sensitivity dropped for me, I was able to start to feel more. So as I'm working from origin to insertion on any muscle, a lot of times I can feel those crunchies. And then when we find that adhesion,

we can start to stack modalities and start to smooth that out, whether we're scraping, whether we're doing some kind of active release. Depending on the professional that you're working with, they're going to have a technique that's going to help you release something that's either not firing or suboptimally firing.

When you say adhesions, by the way, because like, again, there are still people that are like, oh, you can't get rid of adhesions. What is it that you're talking about? So that people, like if they're going across their body or rolling on certain things, they know what adhesion is. So an adhesion is, it's a knot basically. You can have a couple different types of adhesions. I think the main one is you would consider what you find under your shoulder blade. You need to get into a corner and kind of dig it out.

There are adhesions that present almost like, the analogy I use is ground beef almost. You feel like you're working with some kind of hamburger because either an injury, lack of nutrition, lack of sleep, breath, those kinds of things are not going to allow you to build strong, smooth muscle that fires all the way through. So those are two major places that you'd find adhesion. But, you know, there are other places too.

Scar tissue is going to kind of prevent the fascia from being able to fire all the way through too. So if you've got a scar or some kind of traumatic injury, that's going to give you adhesion too because the body is going to try to recover itself. going to try to recover itself. Do you think that some of the pain that we get ourselves into or some pain that happens to us is a result of maybe us just not having a good enough understanding or knowledge base? Like you mentioned that you were in a lot of pain years ago. And if you could describe, like, did you do something wrong in order to get in pain like that? Or you just have a misunderstanding of something? Or do you think it just sometimes shit just happens? Some of my big experiences with pain revolve around my training for football.

I took a helmet, I took a shoulder pad to the head when I was 15 years old. I ended up with a mild herniation in my cervical spine. I visited an orthopedic surgeon. Who is this fucking guy that did this? And they said, you're done playing football? We'd like to cut you open. Now, we didn't really have the cash flow to do something like that, so we quickly looked for a second opinion.

And I ended up seeing a chiropractor. Shout out Aaron Martin in Ankeny, Iowa. This guy fixed me up, and I was back on the field in like six weeks. What did he do? Just chiropractic adjustment. Okay. I had some massage, a little bit of e-stim. Now, did I play scared after that?

1,000%. But I didn't have to get surgery. And that was kind of the beginning for me in knowing that I wanted to help people the same way that that guy helped me. Yeah. But going back to pain and injuries, you know, a little power clean's gone wrong. Trying to put twice my body weight over my head on a push jerk.

Those kinds of things added up slowly over time. Yeah. So the big thing was the power clean. I've got some hip issues, some low back issues, and it's taken a lot of exploring and a lot of, you know, forks in the road to figure out how to get myself back to a point where I can operate with a clear mind. You know, I also want to mention one thing that was cool.

What was the device called again that you used? The Electrons Plus. I don't know if there's any, like, images or videos of it, but one thing that's really dope about it is there's this guy, Jordan Brandes, that came here with this machine, this M-Sculpt machine that was like, it's like 8,000. Like it's a, actually I think it was like hundreds of thousands of dollars for a single unit. Because it was like thousands of dollars for like an hour of usage to go get it done somewhere. Wow. thousands of dollars for like an hour of usage to go get it done somewhere. Wow. And like, you know, what I was feeling with that machine is what you were doing pretty much to me. But the cool thing is like with what you're doing, you can, like if you

wanted to, and you want it to dig into a certain area while also having that muscle activate, it's cool because if an individual has a problem and you could probably explain this better, but if they have problems firing a certain area and also trying to get into an area, it can help them. Maybe my assumption is have proprioceptive like understanding of how to do that. And then they can themselves start actually firing off that muscle. And that, that's crazy. You can most definitely build a better relationship with your body by getting work like that done. I agree. Yeah.

I haven't seen anything like that other than like Mark mentioned just having those – what are they? TENS units or whatever? But again, it's localized and if you wanted to feel it in other areas, you have to move it around. But you're able to like manipulate people. So that that's I think that'd be useful for a lot of people. Yeah. And really quick, because like we keep comparing it to a TENS unit because I think it's just like the first thing that comes to all our minds. But like I very much dislike a TENS unit.

Like when I would go to a chiropractor, I would be like, put it on the very lowest setting possible. Like, oh, you're not going to be able to feel it. I'm like, then that's perfect because I do not like it. Give me that. yeah so if you can imagine like when a tens unit sends its current out it's like a quick spike and then it goes away quick spike goes away with this unit it was more like a slow like oh i feel it and then it goes away and then like oh there it is again and it was like a lot smoother it wasn't as like violent as like a tens unit because i fucking hate those and there's a lot of manipulation within it, though,

that you could use, right? Because I saw you tweaking it and messing with it and stuff, right? Yeah, this device goes from 0 to 100 hertz, and then there's an intensity wave that's measured in the form of Gauss, and you can take that from 0 to 20. Oh, fuck.

Yeah, I sent some messages over to Andrew. Working on SEMA today. All glistened up. Very. Yeah. Ready for a photo shoot. So can you actually tell us how it works? Because it's pretty interesting.

Like you had my hand on a pad. I think, Mark, you were sitting on it, but you broke it. Yep. Yep. I sure did. you broke it yep yep i sure did i broke it he went to like move it and he just said sweat poured out of it i was like that's fucking gross oh man but no it's working it's working again right that's the same one um yeah we're using hands now instead of full bodies so as long as we stay away from the outside of the plate, we're good to go. I'll have a new one by Tuesday. No worries.

You're curious about this actual process, right? We've got a capacitor and an electromagnetic coil inside this box. Of course, there's a power display that allows me to moderate the intensity and the frequency with which we're pulsing.

And then that pad that you had your hand on is basically where the conduction starts to take place. So it fills your body. It turns you electric. Now, I can just leave you on that pad. And a lot of PEMF devices are basically like that. They're larger and you just charge, like charging a cell phone. But I can also connect to you and then we are in circuit.

If I have a grounding mat on the floor, kind of like an anti-static, I can pull it a little more intensely. But we can take all of that and pull it through you in a place where you might need it. And we find that sending that concentrated voltage through someone throughout their whole body, depending on things that they may need, can be incredibly beneficial. What are some other things that you've been exploring and messing with to help yourself get out of pain? Because we know that like therapy can be really useful. It can help a lot. And I'm sure you mentioned you had a great chiropractor and then you have pursued

this endeavor as well yourself. But has there been like particular training? Like, do you still power clean? Like, do you still do some of those things or did you personally find for yourself, you maybe had to abandon some of those things and learn more so that you can be healthier and get yourself out of pain? I learned to start moving weight instead of lifting weight. And that, that was a big thing that I learned from my GODA certification, the greatest of all time actions shout out to coach gil gary ricky cody i mean those guys those guys helped me learn about my body and how it works and now i'm sharing that information with everyone i meet and a lot of times this device will help me confirm everything that i've learned i've got someone who's a heavy pronator a lot of times they're going to have an overactive outside and then the inside.

It's just shut off. Yeah. You know, we're looking at post-tib and peroneus. Like those are constantly under battle for control of the ankle. You know, we've got the calves and the tibs playing a role too. But we've got so much going on below the knee. And every time I see someone who tends to pronate, who tends to have a collapse in the foot, I know what to look for every time.

And it just confirms what I learned from these guys. And when you said lifting weight versus moving weight, what does that mean? Love pushing sleds, love dragging sleds. The Henny press is another incredible option. It's just anything that you can do to put tension on the muscle without compressing the spine. Okay. Because it's just, you know, having degeneration at the cervical, the thoracic, and the lumbar spine, it's tough. It's an all-day task to make sure that I'm making the right decisions with my posture, my day, my training. I'm never going to cut.

I'm never going to get cut open. I'm never going to take a pill for it. So we're moving weight instead. Do you mess around with deadlifts? Do you mess around with any compression of the spine? And could one make an argument that there could be some benefit to it in terms of bone density and things like that to do some versions of training that are like that? The fun thing about, you know, the

scientific studies that say deadlifting is great for bone density is the funding. You know, who wants that study to say that it's the best option for building bone density. Walking, jogging, and running or climbing stairs, probably equally efficacious. Because you're putting in more reps. It's an endurance-based activity instead of a strength-based activity. But those steps count for something. So to get back to your question, the closest thing that I have to a deadlift is a hinge. I send that butt back as far as I can and I'm in control of the hips and the ankles,

making sure that they remain synced. Because that's one of the things that, and this is probably something hard to visualize. Because that's one of the things that, and this is probably something hard to visualize, but that's one of the big tenets with this training, with goda, is we have to maintain sync of the hip and the ankle with locomotion, with our everyday life. But if we have a foot that's collapsed, that ankle is no longer in sync. We're no longer grabbing the ground, scooping it, and sending it away.

So we've got to maintain that scoop and maintain that synchronization, hip and ankle. You'll still use weight, though, and you'll still use load, but it will just be maybe in the form of like a weight vest or maybe holding onto a plate. But that has a degree of challenge to it that even somebody who can deadlift a lot of weight, who feels like they have a strong lower back will find out quickly that these exercises are also very challenging for the body, for the spine. And so I think someone could make an argument that while being able to deadlift heavy weight may help you to be massive, it may help you to be able to be strong in some of those particular movements. There's also a lot of other variety that you can probably mix in.

And you may not be missing out on anything if you're doing other forms of training where there's a load. I agree. Yeah, absolutely. Any of that unilateral stuff, it's incredibly challenging. And it's going to make sure that you are best suited to maintain that balance or at least approach the balance. Something that comes to mind when you're talking about moving weight is like even a kettlebell because you can move it like literally in a ballistic type of fashion.

So what are some other tools? Because you mentioned sleds, right? So what are some other tools that you would believe are good in terms of helping individuals still utilize some load but move weight without that spinal compression? And in general, are individuals within GODA, are they against those types of movements that do cause spinal compression, like there's not really a benefit for it that other things can probably replace it with?

I will say this. I think we're really young in this journey of learning and developing a movement system. There are a lot of systems out there. Things are evolving. Things are changing. There's a chance that there may be some sort of development of loading because things have changed even since I got certified in 2020. But for now, the wall is our friend. Isometric is our friend. Crawling on the ground is our friend. Mimicking the patterns of the most durable is really what we've been looking to do for the most part.

Some of this may also be more, it might be of more benefit to somebody that already has compressed themselves, right? So there could be individuals out there right now that feel athletic, that don't feel compressed, that maybe for various reasons they haven't had a lot of negative impact of weights, and therefore maybe they can be multifaceted and be able to handle still doing a variety of things. That's one thing we say a lot is normally the go-to coaches are getting the broken toys. The guys who are already working well, so they think,

or who don't feel like they're ready for an injury, they look at what we do and they're like, I'm good. Because they want their weights because the weights make you feel big and strong and then you've got the the validation from your teammates or coaches that yes you are big and strong you know and i get it i've been there too i set a couple records within the high school that i lifted in and it was fun i missed that but didn't miss me there's a lot of of lifts, you know, that people are doing that are, you know, done with like crazy form, especially when it comes to like high school athletics, uh, people teaching like something like a power clean or a squat. Um, sometimes these lifts get

really messy and it's, it's tough. Like these are, these are tough things to teach. They're, they're tough movements to teach. And a lot of times when somebody goes to do a clean, it's very difficult for their feet not to end up just kind of pointing outward quite a bit. And you see it a lot, not necessarily high-level Olympic lifters. They are able to figure it out, able to handle it pretty good. And they're able to get their feet straight. Some of them look incredible. Yeah, they're able to get their feet straight and they're able to able to get their feet straight. Some of them look incredible. Yeah. They're able to get their feet straight and they're able to, but I think sometimes I think as coaches,

high school football coaches, strength coaches, I think it's just like, Oh, that guy just lifts that way. Cause that's that guy's body. And that other guy lifts that other way. And I'm not even gonna bother to try to have the guy train with his feet

straight or just try to keep his heels on the ground because he doesn't have the mobility for it. And really you should probably ask the guy to do something different. You should most likely do a different exercise or find exercises that the whole team can participate in where everyone has really good form and technique. But it's almost like there's not time for that. The football coach has certain things that they want to do. And even when a parent brings a kid to a trainer or coach, one of the first things they'll ask is like, you're going to have them do power cleans, right? You're going to have them deadlift. And like, they're kind of looking for

these movements that have been around for a long time. Then there's also the weights are a real easy way to mark off and to say like, oh, we did that. We did that with that weight. That leaning up against the wall thing with the 45-pound plate, I don't know how that registers. I don't have anything. I don't know how hard that is.

I hear it over and over. Parents will say, but how are you going to get my will say but how are you going to get my kids strong how are you going to get my kid fast what do you what are you doing for that and they'll sit through a whole workout so what do you that's not it right but it is that and moving playing the sport you know know, hitting balls, shooting jump shots. Shout out to torque though, that tank. It's incredible. Honestly, secret weapon. I'll tell you all now, the torque tank is the secret weapon. I saw you using it today. I think you were on your knees using it. Yeah, a little crawl. You were crawling with a tank? Yep. I'll crawl with no support to start.

Really nice decompressive movement. Helped me a ton when I was still struggling. We can do a little. It would take 10 seconds. But yeah, I'll crawl with no support and then I'll push the sled

with no feet. So I'll do it sled with no feet. So I'll do it from the knees. The Venom knee pads are highly recommended, but if you're tough, you can do it. No knee pads. And then you're walking, and then you're running. Crawl, walk, run. Swing, strike. So let me ask this.

When it comes to, like when you guys see high school lifters lifting or athletes, let's focus specifically on athletes, so not powerlifters or bodybuilders, but athletes within sport that are doing a lot of movements, outside of spinal compression, what are other concepts that athletes are missing out in their training that they need to be addressing or they need to get rid of? I think the ankles and hips aren't given the right lens. The way we're doing groundwork, I think is fantastic.

And the earlier we can get someone on the ground, opening up those ankles, hips, knees, the better. Because the older you get, the harder it is to be able to achieve something like that. Sitting on top of your shins. It's damn near impossible. But if you're 14, 15 years old, you'd probably do it. You better keep doing it. If you can bring that hamstring to the calf, you're doing pretty well.

Anything they need to get rid of, I mean, just not supervising, you know. Let's try to get this in front. Thank you. From what I remember. Yeah. From what I remember and from what I've seen, it's, there's just, you know, one coach for every 10, 12 athletes, sometimes, sometimes less. You can't make sure everyone's doing things appropriately and they've got numbers on paper

and they're going to go for those numbers that the day calls for. Yeah. How are high water? Because they know big and strong is how they do the job on the field. That's the message they're told. But do you think, because we were talking about this previously, about like, I don't know, we'll say deadlift or even a bench press. It's all on a single plane.

So are they not coaching like so like gary he told me to use a henny attachment if i want to work my chest but right so it's i'm pushing but my feet had to be in a right position to do it and it was really really difficult yeah but it was very much different than a straight bar like i'll just even use a machine right like that's not going anywhere all i have to do is just be strong and push like do you think those are building like bad patterns and they're not teaching maybe some Like I'll just even use a machine, right? Like that's not going anywhere. All I have to do is just be strong and push. Do you think those are building like bad patterns and they're not teaching maybe some of the other stuff like corners, right? Like I don't know if they're teaching that in high school or anything like that.

It's arguable. I mean, I think, you know, if we're focusing on the footwork and we're not bracing the core too, too much, things like that, we're not going to stay super stiff. But again, within the world of goda, it's not useful like a machine bench press. It's not useful for the athlete necessarily because if you're crawling, say you have to crawl 300 yards after your workout's over. You've got to do crossover push-ups for 15 minutes total throughout the workout that'll build a chest right there are a bunch of 17 and 18 year old kids down in new orleans who can prove it um yeah there's no sense there's an aspect i'm curious

about here where um you know i can understand where working with massively heavy weights on like a deadlift or a squat or even like a flat bench press is not necessary for an athlete. But, you know, when working within the athlete continuing to do their sport, you see a lot of like football players or basketball or soccer players that will do a lot of classical in-gym stuff with dumbbells. You know, let's just take out the barbell because we know like, you know, you don't need all of that load. But with dumbbells and they'll continue doing their sport or certain sport aspects of training and they'll be able to put on pounds and pounds of muscle. Now, I can understand if the athlete were to quit their sport and only focus on that, how that would absolutely negatively impact their performance in the sport and like their movement. But if an athlete continues to train within the sport and does certain things

with the dumbbells or certain aspects of those things to add load so they can add some muscle onto their frame, I don't necessarily, I wonder why is that, why is that bad, right? Because you see college athletes and you'd also see college athletes getting injured, right? So that's something that, you know, if you're doing a lot of the stuff within Gota, it's seems pretty injury proof, but even so, you know, those athletes are able to pack on muscle while still doing the sport. So I wonder where is the negative aspect of that that we're missing or that athletes are missing if they keep doing the sport? So being in the gym, for instance, working with dumbbells,

even putting something over your shoulders, the big thing is that you've kind of adulterated the use of the spine. If you're carrying something on both sides, you're not going to get full expression of the bend and twist and really almost returning to what Andrew was talking about with three planes of motion, say you're just pushing something frontal. Everything an athlete does needs to be a combination and a coexistence of all three planes of motion at the same time.

So I get that. But why does it need to be all the time is my curiosity. Because, you know, when some coaches say, OK, this is sports specific, this is sports specific. I understand. But an athlete doing a few elements that aren't directly pertaining to the sport but might be directly pertaining to helping that piece of tissue grow it seems if again it seems if you can keep those other things included the athlete should be able to be okay it's just my my assumption which i could be wrong at but i've seen i've seen the other end where athletes go too deep

off of the like especially football players. They're going squatting as heavy as possible all the time, deadlifting. And they do all these things that then actually may fuck them up when they need to go to the field. But if you have some elements of not working every plane, as important as it is, some elements of that along with elements where you are working all these mult-directional or multi-planar movements and still doing the sport, I don't see where the negative lies. You know what I mean? Like I don't see how an athlete doing some dumbbell benching, let's just like, just throw out some movements, dumbbell benching, some lateral raises or whatever. Some of these movements while adding in some multi-directional movements, um, and their sport, I don't see where the big negative is as long as the athlete can balance these things out and then also make sure not to work with loads that are far too heavy where they're then risking injury.

So I just – I don't know where the drawback is I guess. The big thing that I need to see is that you can still maintain good mobility. Yeah. You have to maintain your execution. You can't ever get under a load that you can't handle and that you can't set down. If you're dropping weights, it's probably too heavy for you, bro.

Absolutely. But if you can get your hands behind your back, you can get your elbows back there too. Pull the shoulder blades all the way back. Send them send them you know protract them all the way forward if you can get your palms flat on the floor you can get your ass to grass it's arguable that you might be able to start playing with some load but again the right kind of load with the right intention this by the way has been talked about by some of the best strength coaches in the world. Buddy Morris being one of them, Coach House, many others have talked about like being able to have

a, even Jim Wendler, talking about having like a base before you actually go and lift and have a base before you actually go and do plyos. Again, I just think that a lot of people just don't – maybe they just don't feel like they have the time to do that. And maybe they don't – maybe they're not aware. Maybe there's not a good strategy for some people until more recently to get someone strong enough. I love this topic, by the way, and some of the people that are listening right now might be like, what the fuck is going on with Mark?

Like why is he against like lifting heavy-ass weight? I'm not against lifting heavy-ass, by the way, and some of the people that are listening right now might be like, what the fuck is going on with Mark? Why is he against lifting heavy-ass weight? I'm not against lifting heavy-ass weight by any means, but there's something – something is wrong with it and something has always been a little bit off with it. for a sport that you love is an amazing endeavor. And that alone could be a factor in creating a Tom Brady or in creating a Ray Lewis or in creating some of these, Michael Jordan, in creating some of these monster athletes that we all have grown to love because of the discipline. They're so disciplined. They're so attached to what it is that they're doing.

How effective is it though, is where you start to have a lot of conjecture and you're like, I don't know how effective it is. And obviously there's like – there's just such a wide array of genetics and there's a lot of things going on. But from my – from what I remember, Herschel Walker was a guy that utilized a lot of bodyweight exercises. Pure bodyweight. I think he did ballet from what I remember. There was a lot of stuff that he kind of tapped into that was different. And then again, I remember, I believe Ray Lewis was the same way. I think he did a lot of body weight exercises. He used to do something with a deck of cards and he would, each card represented how many like reps you did of something. He basically just squat and he would do push-ups and all these kinds of things.

So this topic is really fascinating to me and it's hard to tell sometimes whether it's just an extraordinary athlete that is putting something forward like Tom Brady talking about drinking like greens and kind of seeming like he's on a little bit more of a vegetarian style diet. I'm sure he eats some proteins and stuff from meat. But he puts that forward and then people are like, oh, that's the thing. And then somebody else puts something else forward. It's like, oh, it must be this program because that guy ran a 4-1. And then the same thing happens with the colleges. You're like, oh, the University of Miami, that's the best school. They must have the best strength coach because – or Alabama. They have the best strength coach. And it's like, well, they handpick, go way out of their way to make sure that these athletes end up on their team

and and it's a very particular thing it's a type of division that they're in it's like there's a whole cascade of other things that are going on so how much does it have to do with the coach is the coach the reason why the team is doing so well and performing so well in the field why the team is doing so well and performing so well in the field, he could have a pretty big role in that. Or is the coach just kind of getting out of the way just enough to allow these athletes that are really gifted, and I shouldn't say gifted, these athletes that are just fucking awesome at what they do,

is the coach just getting out of the way enough? And if we think about some athletes that we've known and heard about over the years, I remember Brett Favre getting traded and going to the Jets. And when he did, I had a friend that was a strength coach there. And I was like, what in the fuck are you going to do with Brett Favre? He was like, I'm going to get out of his way. And I'm going to ask him if he needs a towel.

And I'm going to ask him if he needs water. And I'm going to listen to him. And a towel and I'm going to ask him if he needs water and I'm going to listen to him and if he wants to try certain exercises, cool. If he doesn't, I mean, these guys are making so much money and there's so much on the line sometimes when it comes to that style of athlete. It's hard to really know what's right. You can't just match it up.

There's not going to be a study that probably gives us evidence of this. But we all know that there's a lot of guys, some of the strongest, most freakiest athletes on the team are the guys that are riding the bench, the guys that are sitting on the bench. They're fucking jacked.

They got some great genetics for that thing of being muscular and being strong. I mean, I bet you can probably go to a lot of teams and you can probably check in and say, you know, who's got your strongest bench squat and deadlift? And that guy is probably not all the time, but he's probably spending a lot of time on the bench. I'd love to speak on that.

Some of the best athletes on the planet grew up with nothing more than hills, jump ropes, and speed ladders. That's it. And a desire to get out of the situation that they're in. I think that's something we really need to consider. One of my best athletes, after a couple weeks, I'd say a month, this guy's destined, by the way. He's going to be in the big show.

He'll be playing in the MLB in no time. But after about a month, that's what I was doing. I was just getting out of his way. I was just getting out of his way. I said, hey, he'd show up and say, I've already done my warm-ups. He did them at home so that he could use the tools that I had for a longer period of time. Does his reps all day, every day. He does

the homework and then some. He's relentless. Yeah, that kind of athlete is going to show you how to be great, right? In some ways, you're going to give them the guidance, great right in some ways um you're you're going to give him the guidance give him the tools give him some of the exercise and movements um but ultimately he's going to be the guy that shows you the discipline andrew's on on cleanup over here appreciate you got john cena full of full of uh oh man full of caveman nitro cold brew cena's going to be wired as fuck he He's got that black coffee on his feet. Always.

That coffee's black. But see, that's something that I totally get. When I was in college, this is fun. When I was in college, before I played college soccer, I never really did a lot of barbell work. Before I played college soccer, I never really did a lot of barbell work. I did a lot of bodybuilding stuff because I didn't run for three years when I was 13. So that's when I started working out in the gym. I did a lot of dumbbell work.

I gained quite a bit of muscle. When I got into college, the college strength coach started having us do barbell squats and deadlifts. And you had some guys that were going into the weight room and they're coming out like their lower back was feeling it. Like even myself, I didn't know how to squat well to depth. And I thought, oh, because I'm a tall guy, I can't hit depth well. But I just didn't understand how to root my feet and squat correctly. Right. So I wasn't leaving the weight room feeling good to head onto the field. But this is what the strength coach thought he had to do. He thought these are the ways that he can get these athletes big, even though some of those movements may have not actually been beneficial for us as athletes. And nowadays in my training,

I do a lot of stuff that helps me with my movement and mobility within deep ranges. And I can see that immediately benefiting me in terms of jujitsu on the mats, right? So what I like about all of this is that athletes are understanding how to maneuver the world and their body in the best way possible, meaning they can do all these crawling things and they can do all that naturally. They look like animals, right? But then you've realized if they're running on a field and they're having to shift back and forth between whatever and do that in a smooth fashion where they don't need to think about it, that makes a lot of fucking sense. Rather than putting that athlete in a weight room and just stacking pounds and pounds and pounds of muscle on them, but they become muscle down. So I can see how this works in application. Then again, it's just like while doing all of that, how can you potentially stack more? But if this athlete needs it, how can you stack more muscle on this athlete that allows them to still function as an athlete?

So that's something that's missing. Like what Goda is doing, what Weck is doing, a lot of these movement coaches, what they're doing is missed on a lot of young athletes because a lot of young athletes are forced into the gym. But now, okay, if we can get this, how can we then still stack some fucking meat on these athletes while allowing them to be mutants on the field? It's beautiful. I mean, it's rest, recovery, and nutrition. Yeah. The weights help. They're a catalyst, but you still have to sleep. You still have to breathe well.

You still have to eat right. And if you don't, nothing's going to happen. Or it's going to be gains that don't serve you well on the field. Yeah. Yeah, it is interesting like some of what you mentioned the you know coach uh talking about people lifting um the coach you know sometimes having a record board uh the coach will be like hey i want to gather everybody up hey like bringing sema up and sema's been doing a great job on squat we know he struggled with it and today he got a pr and everyone gets all fired up and then bring up another person and they're admiring that. And then SEMA gets to

wipe the other guy's name off the board and put his name on there kind of thing. And that's like what the thing is kind of glorified, but it does seem like to some capacity, it does seem like it works in terms of maybe the encouragement of like lift big, eat big. I'm sure there's other things that are going on, like with the athletes, you know,, eat big. I'm sure there's other things that are going on, like with the athletes, you know, gaining some size. Like you mentioned, there's probably a lot of life habits that are happening that are assisting a ton with that. And when you take these high school kids especially,

but even higher level athletes, like we saw Jordan make some drastic changes. I don't know how much weight he gained, but it looked like he put on quite a bit, especially later on in his career when he was struggling against the Detroit Pistons and stuff like that. So it does seem to work to some capacity. Are you kind of, from the things that you've learned, have you kind of just seen that like, you know, maybe that muscle that they put on,

even though they have more body weight, maybe it's still to their detriment in some ways? Potentially. I will say one, you know, to take a quick detour, one tool that's been really fun for me and I think would really benefit athletes is EMS-style training, those body suits. If you're working athletic-style movement and you have this device, another one. Another one. Taking that away from me. Cut him off.

Let's just get to – actually, you know what? Just take a shot over there into the – See if you can make it in the trash can. Is it empty? Oh, God. Don't put that on me. Don't worry. Nsema tries it every time and misses once in a while.

You're pretty close. You should probably do it. Let's see. You're good. Left-handed, though. From over there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's worry. Nsema tries it every time and misses once in a while. You're pretty close. You should probably do it. Let's see. You're good. Left-handed, though. From over there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go.

All right, let's go. Yeah. Oh. There it is. All right, we got one. Totally redeemed yourself. Thank you so much. I'm going to wipe this down later.

I worked in restaurants for 15 years, and the bus around me is just pulling his hair out. That's where I out. You are 175 feet closer to the basket than it is. Where were we? EMS. EMS, yeah.

Bring that shit up. People getting electrocuted while they're training. Good lord, yeah. I do the electrocution for recovery. I do the electrocution for a workout

once a week. It's great though. You put on some long underwear you look like fool, but then you get strapped up. I was telling him that he needs to go around with his hair like Einstein. Be like, I got the thing for you, and chase people around with his fucking lightning bolts coming out of his fingers. So what does that do for an athlete? Because I mean, I've seen, I think I've seen people in the NBA. Yeah, Joel Green was talking about itel green does them yeah um the the place i go to most studios joe is my guy in tampa

um you suit up you're connected to basically a a computer board and he's got dials for every body part abs shoulders back traps and he's just dialing it up as you're working through body weight movements. He'll hand you a little two pound bar and you're curling it, or you're working rotation. Personally, I love to get down in the bear crawl and work that contraction here and then eccentric control here. And the whole time that suit is just firing 92% of your body body all of the tissue just firing it trying to contract yeah but then i'm holding i'm holding the length in position trying to fight that and the response is tremendous there's a lot of terrible videos on it but

like i can't find anything decent but at least this one shows kind of like that panel right there where you're talking about like you have control over whatever body part. Yeah, it doesn't look cool. It doesn't. It's got to feel strange. Everything's kind of just moving at one time. Yeah, the whole body fires. And you can play with the settings based on what you're doing.

Say the abs are getting too much. God, that's a terrible video. They're all bad though, aren't they? They're really, really bad. This is from the doctors, right? Yeah. So again, please, this is a tool in the tool belt. This is not everything you do.

But to do something like that every once in a while, I think it can really help athletes. There's aspects to this that I think are pretty funny because like when people think of and look at EMS devices, like I've seen it on Instagram. There's some people within like bodybuilding or like people who are just, you know, even us, you know, you're used to just lifting. You're just like, why not just lift? Where immediately something like this comes on and it's like, oh, that's bullshit. Like there's like that. That's that's I mean, you know, it's like, oh, that's bullshit. Like, there's, like, that's, I mean, you know,

it's not something that's accessible to everyone, first off. It's not like you can just go to the gym and you have an EMS device. But when people see people using it, immediately there's this knee-jerk reaction to be like, that's absolute fucking BS. Just lift, bro. It's, you know, progressive overload. Yeah, people want that five hours a week in the

gym. Not everyone can afford to spend five to seven hours a week in the gym, but some people can. But those things like can open up for some people, the ability to fire certain muscle groups that they've been having problems firing and maybe get more out of a single training session than if they just had some weights or just did body weight work. Think about pelvic floor post-pregnancy. Oh, God. Think about the lumbar spine post-car accident. There are a lot of people out there who would really benefit from that, not only athletes.

Yeah. Why are you obsessed with this crawling around like a baby all the time? It's how we develop. It's how we build the muscle necessary to then get on our feet and walk. When you're rocking, when you're working the rocker, you're working the haunches. It's hamstrings and glutes.

It's not only opening the ankles and opening the hips, but if you take those hands off the ground, you feel the low back, that whole posterior chain. You're building the muscle necessary for locomotion. Prior to that, when you're just tummy time, arms up, trying to lift the chest, you're building everything around the spine. Do you have any visuals of the rocker?

What's the movement called specifically so people can like see it. It's like a SESA. So if you've ever sat, sat in a SESA, it's one of the things that I do all the time. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Just put your hands on the ground. Yeah. Sit down, stand up. Of course there's some nuance to it and we've got cues that we want to see. We want to see the eyes up. We want to see the chest up. Basically your hands and knees are on the ground and you are

leaving your feet flat. I guess dorsiflexed would be the correct term, right? And you're pushing your butt backwards towards your feet. And then you're getting, depending on your mobility, you're getting your um again your if your mobility is good you don't have to necessarily even have your hands on the ground but if your mobility is not great you can have your hands on the ground you push your butt back as far as you can and you're trying to get into those hips and really almost an expression of a

below parallel squat because your hip is passing, passing, traveling past your knees as you're pushing back into it. I think it's, I think that's a wonderful movement for anyone to, to explore and to mess around with. I think it's awesome. And this is why athletes need things like the rockers because you're,

you're finally bringing the ankle up to speed because the shoes that we sit in, or I'm sorry, the shoes that we wear and the chairs that we sit in, they're kind of doing the ankles an injustice. Yeah. So getting down on the ground is a much better alternative than wedging the heels for those bar athletes,

you know, those athletes who have weight on their back and they're squatting. Because a lot of your coaches will just throw a 10-pound plate under the heel and say, there you go. Turn the toes out, wedge up the heel. Now your ankles can do what they're supposed to do for today. But we could start workouts on the ground. The rocker's huge.

Another thing that happens often, and we see this a lot, especially with athletes that are really tall, and especially in football, you see like the blind side, the tackles. A lot of times those offensive linemen, those guys are so tall all the time. And you don't see this much in basketball. I think the basketball players can – they're usually lighter. Football players are not only tall, but they also are pretty goddamn heavy a lot of times. And you see that inside ankle bone kind of flat.

And then when they push back and they go to block somebody, they're kind of almost pushing off of that. And then some guys perform really well and they play really well for really long periods of time in that, you know, kind of junkie position, but it doesn't look strong. You know, when you see someone kind of doing that, you're like that,

you can't even put your finger on it, but you're like, that does not look okay. Like that doesn't look right. And years ago, uh, Reggie white would take athletes. He would take some players that would have that stance and he would just chuck them with one hand.

These guys weigh 300 pounds. He was 300 pounds too, but he would just pick them up and just shove them and he'd get right to the quarterback most of the time. most of the time. And you see this collapsing of the foot a lot of times with people that their feet are pronated, their toes are pointed out, their feet are kind of ducked. And then as they walk, sometimes they collapse inward on those ankle bones. And then they're not only that, but the foot starts to appear to be really flat from just kind of always, you know, kind of, I guess, having that area compromised. And you just, you see these positions. So, like, that's been a big thing. I know Kelly Sture has been preaching this for a long time, you know, having your feet straight.

I've heard a lot of other people bring this up and kind of highlight this, but when we had Squat University, he was talking about this quite a bit. And I think that if you're open-minded and you start to think about all the different systems that are out there, and I think you can kind of pick stuff off of each one, You can say, this makes sense for me right now. This makes some sense for me right now. This makes some sense for me right now. And you can have your own system, your own way. You don't have to listen to somebody saying, look, man, you can only do stuff this way.

You can kind of set stuff up your own way. But like what do you believe in? What do you actually like? What do you feel is actually going to be beneficial for you? So when I look at some of the stuff from someone like Joel Seidman, who people think is a little crazy, think he's a little bonkers, I'm like, this guy has a really good point because a lot of people move like crap. And sometimes in a bench press, there's been other coaches say this over the years, uh, in a bench press, there's been other coaches say this over the years, in a bench press, you know, only go down to like 90 degrees and reverse the weight.

I'm in total agreement with that. I think that actually makes a lot of sense because we know that when you go down further, it's why the slingshot has sold so many slingshots. It's because it's a device that was necessary for a lot of people. A lot of people are in a lot of pain from the movement of bench pressing. I'm a huge fan of it. I've always liked the exercise, but it can be damaging to have both. Like there's not a lot of scenarios in life

where you have both your arms pinned behind the midline of your body. Sorry, your elbows are behind the midline of your body and you have a ton of weight across your chest. It's just not a movement that makes a lot of sense maybe in the real world or that you're ever going to do anything remotely close to it. So when I start to think about all these different systems, all these different things that I'm seeing, I'm like that inside ankle bone seems to be a major problem. I do think that our interpretation of strength and it only being done one way is another massive mistake. Like if we're going to get big and strong, we have to do cleans.

If we're going to get big and strong, we have to squat. And then not only do we have to squat, but you have to squat down all the way. And it's like if we're trying to promote people to do a particular movement and they're having a hard time with the full range of motion and the inside ankle bone is collapsing and the knees are caving in, how good of an exercise is this anymore when you're not doing the exercise the correct way? Yeah. So we're going to go up the chain and look for the compensation that's taking place because it might be something going on above. Whether we're squatting or walking or running there's something we're missing so we have to make sure we have to make sure it works before we just force it exactly and i think in the in the case of uh joel seedman you

know kind of looking at those those partial range of motion movements that he does he says that their full range of motion movements is as far as we should go i don't know if i agree with that either like because i think he trains people that way all the time but i would imagine that his athletes probably feel really good because they're not getting into it doesn't appear that there's anything that they're doing that's compromising i would imagine a lot of the people that are doing Gota are probably feeling similar. They're probably like recognizing this feels fucking amazing to me because they're no longer – maybe they're not doing the things that put their body in compromising position. So I think each person, anybody listening to this right now, what I hope you're able to do based off of listening to this show and based off of just gathering your own information is that you're able to figure that out for yourself. You're able to sift through it. I can't tell you.

None of us can tell you. We can't tell you the right way. We can't really tell you the wrong way. We can tell you what we've seen. We can tell you what we believe. And then that's pretty much the end of it. I think all of us have, in the movement world,

we have the same ethos. We want to help people feel better. We want to help people feel better. We want to help people do the things they love without worrying about what bending over is going to do to them or what reaching up high is going to do to them, what climbing out of the car is going to do to them. And this goes for athletes too. I admire guys who are strong and fast and all of that, but there's more to life

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to save 20% off your entire order. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Let's get back to this video. So I'm curious about this. When it comes to God, the greatest of all time actions, they drill in like inside a club out high. There's a lot of movements and actions that they drill in so that the athlete will understand that

or change the way they move in their behavior to this by repetition and repetition and repetition, right? Is there any benefit or do they have anything where they train somewhat ways that athletes would be dysfunctional or movements that would be dysfunctional? I mean, ways of movement, for example,

is there anything they do with that ankle bone low? Because in sport, they're going to be situations where that happens, right? And you want your body to be able to adjust to that situation. Whether somebody put a force into you and you're having to fucking get on one foot and handle that, you want your body to be able to handle those forces in all those different directions. So how is that done or how can athletes do that? Because yeah, you want to train to be in this ideal situation, but in martial arts and sport, non-ideal situations happen and you also need to be able to handle those forces too. Within that paradigm, hard stop,

no. It's not something that gets gets trained it's not something that is really considered acceptable so um i think the biggest input is when you're not paying attention because we're not no no one's going to be 100 i find myself inside ankle bone low from time to time i collapse my feet from time to time i thrust my hips too far forward and sit in chairs from time to time. Yeah. But training, training the pattern of injury is, you know, the way it's being looked at is not something, not something that's happening. Because that's, that's the way it's looked at from, from Gota is why would we want to

collapse the foot? Do you think it should be explored like if you there's video of ben patrick who he'll do like a squat you know obviously does the knees over toes which some people were thinking was incorrect but not only will he do the knees over toes which obviously are our bodies are designed to do some of these things um and we are designed to have the inside ankle bone low we're designed for there to be like a valgus knee where the knee uh comes inward um and i've seen video of ben doing that movement and then expressing that movement and like doing it on purpose

um but it wasn't with 405 on his back or anything like that it was just done with uh i think pretty much like body weight so aside from what you learned, what do you think personally? Like do you think that that should maybe be something that is trained or explored at least a little bit? I'll tell you this. I know the way it makes me feel to collapse my foot and push my knees in. I don't personally want to do it because of the way it makes me feel. I've had some issues with my right knee. It doesn't click anymore. It way it makes me feel. I've had some issues with my right knee. It doesn't

click anymore. It doesn't give me trouble. So, but I know that if I went back to pounding box jumps and allowing that right foot to collapse the way it used to, it might. Yeah. I don't, I don't personally want to go there. Yeah. You know, I do understand that. And I think this, this in and of itself, this concept is something interesting because the, for example, if an athlete comes in broken and not even broken, I shouldn't say, but they come in with dysfunctional movement and they come and they start doing go to work. It doesn't feel good because, you know, it feels different for that athlete. It doesn't feel ideal. After drilling that for a while though, and it becomes part of their behavior, it then feels good to be doing and moving in those ways. And it doesn't feel good in the ways that they were moving before. But that's why I think it could be beneficial, especially for athletes, because in sport, there's so many inconsistencies and so many things that you don't know what way you might move to learn how to handle those. For example, knee valgus inside ankle bone low, right?

There are so many images in basketball, soccer, and different sports where athletes will get themselves into those positions when they have to go. Like it would be ideal to go into that direction inside ankle bone high. But sometimes quick forces, you want to be able to do that on the fly and not break yourself. Right. So there could be benefit in learning how to do those inefficient ways of movement with low load to no load. But learning how to handle that safely so it doesn't feel as uncomfortable as it used to. You know, like for me, having my knee inwards like this and putting force down like this used to be painful, but now I can kind of hang out in there

because I do those movements because in jujitsu, there's a lot of instances where I'm going to be turned in like that. So I have to be able to handle that. And my body has to understand we can go in here for a little bit without being like, oh, this isn't good to snap. Right. So I think that's something that can be explored more. Those non-ideal situations. How can the body handle that well without just snapping up and breaking? It is super important to train the good forms of movement because you want that to be your second nature. But when your second nature doesn't work out, can you handle that? I could be way off on this because I'm not a coach

and I don't study other coaches except for when stuff like this does come up where I'm learning about goda and stuff. And it seems like I won't I'll use it the the Woda stuff that you're explaining you know like getting in those less advantageous weird awkward positions um that there's definitely are being coached the only thing is that's the only thing being coached so um so whether it be like changing direction and stuff, they're not putting a focus on an inside ankle bone high. They're just like get left to right around these cones

whatever way you can. And most of the time it's a heel strike to a push off, heel strike to a push off. So like an athlete will literally get hurt in non-contact injury, right? They land on their heel, try to change direction. They get fucked. That coach will then take them through the exact same thing

that put them in that pattern and to keep doing it again and again. So I think there's a lack of teaching more go to type stuff, more inside ankle bone high. I'm using go to and wo to just because that's what I know. So use whatever analogy or not analogy, acronyms you guys want to use. I just, I would say that they are already teaching this. They're not, but they're just not calling it that, right? Like when it comes to squatting and stuff like knees

caving in or feet going out, nobody's saying, hey, let's get into this weaker position. They're just like, no, let's just squat. They're not saying, let's get into this weaker position. They're just like, no, let's just squat. They're not saying, let's get into this better position at a lighter load so that way you can train and learn to get into this position more than the weaker position. Yeah, I'd love to speak on that. Some of the top wide receiver trainers who are helping athletes learn how to change direction and run routes,

they emphasize inside edge. If you're making a cut and you're trying to fake someone out, you push off that inside edge because you're going to get there faster. And there is no emphasis on getting to the outside of the foot or loading that in any capacity. on getting to the outside of the foot or loading that in any capacity. So you've got an ankle pointed one way because the toes are turned out, because we're collapsing the foot, but then the hips are already moving in the other direction. You see where that would potentially take you.

Maybe you can train it. Maybe you can make yourself more durable. But again, what we're looking for is synchronicity between the ankle and the hip. I would say – We call that the bow or the corner. I would say when it comes to lifting, it's been my experience that these things are somewhat default positions that are – they usually mean that you're at the top end of a lift. they usually mean that you're at the top end of a lift. So for example, with internal rotation, the knees caving inward, that would also probably – like if I saw you doing a regular deadlift,

conventional deadlift, and this would be totally uncommon for you. I don't think it would happen with any sort of weight because you're strong. But if your knees caved in, if you ended up with a valgus knee, I know that something else just happened as well. You end up with your back inflection. So now you're like the dog pooping on the front lawn type of thing and the knees caved in. And it's like, how many reps of that do we want to do? But that's lifting. It's different than athletics. So when there's internal rotation, a lot of times you're in flexion. So that guy who's doing that clean right there, his knees are inward. His lower back is probably kind of tucked underneath him. He does have a lifting belt on, which can help mitigate some of that. And then when we're in extension,

we're in external rotation in certain things. So sometimes you see a runner, you know, they're like running, they're in this like, this, they're overextended, they're putting a lot at a lot of extra stress on the back, and their arms are kind of moving. Neither one is really great. Do we want to train some of those positions? I think, I think as Andrew is pointing out, these positions probably are occurring plenty in a sport. And when you do change direction, like if you have to go from going forward to going backwards, I would say there's probably ways of doing it without using the heel. But I think you need the heel. I saw an interesting post the other day i think i

sent the video or a screen capture to you guys somebody was talking about negative shin angle and the importance of negative shin angle and kind of training negative shin angle meaning like something like a box squat where you would sit way back on the box and you'd have this negative shin angle or if you were to throw a baseball uh that front foot and the and the back leg and stuff would end up in some of these uh negative shin angles there's a lot of angles a lot of weird things that happen uh when we think about a sport because things are happening so fast and so i think as much as we would like to be able to train everything i think when it comes to sport and maybe one of the reasons and one of

the most important things about Gota is the fact that it is training for sport. You're literally training for sport and it's not necessarily, it's not the weightlifter's guide. You know, this is not like how to get big and jacked for bodybuilding. That's a totally different thing. Fitness is a different thing. Now, can you take some of the principles from Goda and have an awesome fitness career? I think so. I think you can adopt some of those principles. Do we want, like, if I'm not doing jujitsu, then I don't have to maybe worry about some of the same things that he has to worry about. But if I am doing jujitsu, then maybe I do need to figure out like I need to train jujitsu enough to

where my body gets used to being in as many different positions as possible. I can agree with that. Yeah. It's interesting. I would disagree somewhat with what you mentioned, Andrew, in terms of the worst positions consistently being trained. Cause I can see that.

I understand where coaches are having athletes they're not focused on exactly what the athlete is doing but more so they're focused on the athlete doing things as fast as possible so trying to ingrain good movement patterns and isn't something that's focused on but I still like concepts in terms of being as fast as possible. And I saw this like when I was playing soccer and some of our other – some of the coaches had athletes doing drills. And one of the big things is that we stayed on our toes. But by staying on our toes and changing directions on our toes, we ended up in goda-type positions. Changing directions on our toes, we ended up in Gota-type positions.

I wouldn't have called it Gota at the time, but we weren't having the ankle bone low when trying to shift directions because when we were shifting directions, we were learning. We knew how to pivot on our toes. And there's certain things that I think conceptually, if you can teach an athlete how to move and stay on their toes while doing all these different types of movements change of direction in that way kind of comes naturally but when an athlete is on their heels for aspects of movement and is trying to be fast that can put them in bad positions so i mean i i i get how some of these i get the negative aspects and i get how we need to ingrade good movement patterns but again it's just the the aspect of when sport happens or when people are playing sports or doing any of those movements, unpredictable things happen and you need to be able to handle that load from wherever it's coming from, whether you're being hit on a football field or whether you're being slide tackled on a soccer field or whether you're being knee barred or heel hooked in jujitsu. tackled on a soccer field or whether you're being knee barred or heel hooked in jujitsu it's like there's so many unpredictable forms of movement that i mean it's it's it's somewhat should be addressed but i mean i i guess i would love to i guess it's just the the good aspects of movement aren't addressed as much which i can understand that it It's interesting. I would love to tell a story about something I experienced

before I was really all in on this movement-style training with GODA. I trained Ben Patrick's program for four or five months, I believe. It was one of the sales he did. And it was a lot of really good stuff. Dude, my quads were huge. And I did that KOT squat like no one's business. I was, I think just one, one yoga block off the floor. I was doing a plyometric workout, working cones, just forward, backward, you know, hit cone one, hit cone two. Oh, now cone five.

I slipped in some grass and instead of gaining my feet, my knees went straight to the floor. So I feel in that situation, like I kind of created this neuroplastic situation in the gym that I carried with me into my athletic movement. Now I did fine there. It didn't really cause any injury or pain, but I just said, I feel like I would be more apt to do this than something else if I slipped. And that's kind of where I was like, I need to go assess what I'm doing with my gym time. Because I felt like I could have maybe had better control through my feet if I were focusing on what my feet and my toes were doing with every rep I do in the gym. Yeah.

That's one thing that kind of drew me back to go to. So there's something though, because as we've been digging into a lot of the feet stuff, we've been paying attention to that by starting to strengthen our feet and doing more things, not just barefoot, but in minimal shoes. Like I feel my toes doing so many things in movements and I adjust because I am now aware of that proprioceptively. So that's a concept I think though. I don't think that's a thing that is unique to go to. I think that's a concept that athletes need to have when it comes to their training.

Pay attention to what your feet are doing. Are you, when you're doing certain types of squats, are you creating that torsion? And when you create torsion and you grip the ground, what happens to the ankle bone? It comes high. Are you doing that during these movements? Are you making that a conceptual thing

that you're doing with all the movements in the gym? If you're not, you're in trouble. That's not unique though. No. That is just a lifting concept that people should be having. And some people don't understand that concept. When you begin to understand that concept though, a lot of the ways you move turn into go to.

Yeah. As we learn and grow, I think so many of these systems, I think I already said it. These systems are going to have more in common than they have different. Yeah. I think that's one thing I'm noticing though. It's like the stuff that I see in go to the stuff that I see in WEC, some of the stuff I see what Ben's doing, I see parallels through all of them.

Ben moves that way all the time. He moves that way all the time. All the time. Everything he does, his feet are either always straight or even slightly pointed in. Even when he goes to dunk a basketball, he closes everything off and feet go in. He fucking jumps to the roof. So it's like, yeah, and in a sturette, it's similar. Feet are always straight, and sturette's been preaching a lot of this stuff

for a long time, and you see the same thing pop up in some of the functional pattern movements. You see these things over and over again. And I like what you said in the beginning of the show. You mentioned that we're just really early. We're just really early in this whole thing with any of these programs and that these programs are young and there's a there's a movement in fitness that's why we have people like yourself on the show there's a movement in fitness going on right now

that I it's to the extent that I've never seen anything like it before. I've just never seen like this amount of, I've never seen this amount of like argument back and forth about movement and what movement is and what strength is. And I think it's good. It's a healthy thing. Like we're in a healthy place. I think over the next several years, you're going to see more and more advancements in it.

And I think nutrition science on another hand has kind of led us astray for a bit. I think people, not because of nutrition science, but because of people's interpretation of nutrition science and maybe some of the people that funded some of those studies, we may have ended up in the same spot when it comes to fitness because of who may be funded particular studies to get, I mean, look, like you're a certified strength and conditioning coach through what means, like what are you teaching? You know, I can't be a certified strength

and conditioning coach and go to a university of Alabama and then put everybody like on the floor. They're like, we have a fucking, we got a fucking contract with life fitness, with hammer strength, with all these different, like, we have an entire floor over here. We got 40 different racks over here. You're not going to use any of this stuff? And you'd be like, no, it's just garbage.

Yeah, let's hook some straps to it and do the Henny strap. If anything, we can just fucking throw all that stuff away or give it away or whatever. Might as well hang it from the ceiling. Yeah, bumper plates. We don't need them. So it's so different that people aren't really ready for some of these things

that are happening. But I think it's good and I think it, if you look at the way that Corey Schlesinger trains a lot of his people, they're not in there. I mean, I know that he'll do a deadlift.

He'll do forms of deadlift. He'll do forms of squat. But is he doing like a deficit deadlift and having the guys do one rep maxes? Like, no, these guys are, it's a deadlift out of a rack, you know, or it's some other partial range or isometric lunge, like athletes train like athletes. And I think that in the fitness industry, what I would like to see and what I'm noticing is that more people in fitness are starting to train more and more like athletes.

And I think that's fucking awesome because, uh, I think we'll all be able to prosper a lot more off of that than some of the traditional stuff we were doing before. Life is a sport. Life is hard. You gotta be able to manage it well. Navigate it. When does it stop? The GoTo people that I follow, it seems like every workout is like specifically just going to be a GoTo workout. But in my head, I'm trying to use GoTo to get a better physique because I'm in pain. So it's going to help me get out of pain, help me get some pain relief. So that way I can do a lot of these bodybuilding movements more efficient, efficient. What's the

word efficiently? I can't even fucking speak. You nailed it efficiently. I don't know why every once in a while I just like can't speak. So anyways, that's what I'm doing it for. But, um, like I'll take, um, like coach Carly, like she does workouts every single day that are all like go to specific. So is it, is that just the mindset? It's like, I just want to get really, I don't know, like it, can it be a substitute for like bodybuilding? It doesn't have to stop. And I think if you bring in some of the tenets of bodybuilding related to tension, time under tension, drop sets, rest, pause, those kinds of things,

some of them you can probably train within a go-to workout. Load up a crawl, drop the vest. Now you're doing it isometrically at the very end. So I don't think it has to stop, but to Mark's point about how often certain athletes are doing something like a deadlift or a squat or a chest press, if you want to get that in every once in a while and you're not making a million dollars on a football field,

go for it. Just do it with intention stay in control of the weight yeah no i mean it makes a lot of sense to me now but i'm just thinking because you know like what we get we get people in camps but like we get people that are like i'm going to follow ben patrick's program like that that translates extremely well to just about everything. Right. Um, when it comes to bodybuilding, I'm going to, you know, follow whatever this bodybuilder does. And I'm going to do just that because that's my goal. And it's interesting. And it's difficult to explain like, no, we're doing ground move or groundwork. We're going to be able to move better. And it's like, uh-huh. And then what? Like, okay, well, that's just what we're doing right now. Like, you know, it's hard for people to grasp, like, you wanting to feel better.

But I just wanted, you know, to let it be known that, like, yeah, we're doing this. And then the rest of our goals are still coming, you know? Now, if you get someone's ankles opened up, they're going to be able to leg press or squat or do other things better. I've got hypertrophy-style clients that have no interest in training so they move better. But guess what? We're still going to start every workout on the ground. Right. We have to. And they're all better for it too. That's awesome. I think one of the greatest things that Ben Patrick did is he unloaded a lot of people. People have been loaded up with weight for a long time

and there's a lot of people like Ben has done loaded up with weight for a long time and there's a lot of people. Like Ben has done such a good job because Ben is kind and he's smart and his messaging is really wonderful. He's not polarizing in any way publicly. He doesn't say anything against anybody else's program or anything like that. So he's done a wonderful job of showing people hey it's okay to go into the gym and have a completely different intent and do stuff completely differently now ben does use weight we saw how strong he is he deadlifted like 45 or something like that was here he's a fucking monster and he doesn't train deadlift though and he doesn't really train deadlift um that's the

other thing with ben is is he he was able to get a lot of attention because he is – he's in amazing shape. He's fucking shredded. He looks great. And so when he's out there dunking a basketball and stuff, you're like, that's fucking sick. Like look at what this guy is able to do. But unfortunately, the go-to coaches, they don't have that same prowess in athletics that I've noticed or seen from any one of – well, I guess – I'm sorry. Ricky was a professional football player at some point, but he wasn't a professional football player. He wasn't doing what he – he wasn't doing go-to.

He did go-to later on. You know what I mean? So if someone like Ricky was in the NFL saying, Hey, look how well I performed on Sunday. Um, I think that would be a little bit more encouraging for some people. But again, just back to Ben Patrick, I think that he did a great job of kind of unloading people and teaching people like, Hey, there's some different ways of training. I think goa is saying something similar. It seems like Functional Patterns is saying something similar. It's just that with Ben's message, Ben didn't say you can't lift. Ben was like, here's stuff to help fix your knee. He didn't say anything else about anything else.

He didn't say don't do your leg extensions. He didn't say you can't body build. He just said, I'm going to give you guys this, and then you figure out what to do with it. So I think that's some of the differences. It can make it hard for people to want to jump on board for sure. Now to return back to there aren't people with athletic prowess, I would argue

that we do have quite a few people who have some good athletic prowess. I just meant in terms of the leaders. I'm sure there's coaches now in Gota but I'm just saying the guys that are at the top top. the – Gotcha. Yeah. I'm sure there's coaches now in Gota. But I'm just saying like the guys that are at the top, top. Outsiders. Right. Yeah, they were outsiders.

That makes sense for sure. Yeah, I think Ben being the guy that's doing it and being the guy that shares the message, it just is – it makes it super substantial I guess. Yeah. Yeah, I respect that a lot of him. Especially where he's come from. Yeah.

But I mean, that's the thing though. It's like, it's what Ben does and the way he's marketed it, it's flashy because like the guy's out here dunking and he's also kind of jacked. But it shouldn't necessarily like, the stuff that GoTo does put forward is beneficial. It shouldn't, it's, I guess it is harder to market because it's not someone that's doing the flashy shit that's talking about it. You know

what I mean? Um, so it, I guess some people have a harder time getting on board even though there is a lot of good stuff there. So it's, you know, there's, there, there's a give and take there as far as marketing is concerned. But even so, um, there's a lot of good stuff. there's a give and take there as far as marketing is concerned. But even so, there's a lot of good stuff. There's a lot of stuff I really like about Gota. I'm just not – I don't buy the getting rid of a lot of other things. I do buy getting rid of like extremely heavy potentially deadlift squats. I don't see the necessity for an athlete to have to do some of those things.

But some simple hypertrophy work with like dumbbells or kettlebells, I think that can be added into a go-to-athletes program without taking away from the athlete's prowess of doing the movements and being on the field. That's the main thing where I'm just like I don't buy that yet. I could be perfectly wrong and my logic could be totally flawed. I just – if I could envision an athlete doing some bodybuilding work, doing go-to work, I don't see that bodybuilding work if loaded correctly getting in the way of the way the athlete does on the field other than adding a little bit of muscle tissue to their frame. If they don't go crazy with it, right? I just don't see the – like I've heard Andrew. Right. I just don't see the, you know, like I've heard, Andrew, you've mentioned how right now you're a specific, you know, I actually say you're a specific case because you're trying to get out of pain. So you're a special case. But I have heard mention, you know, just ripping away all these other things that certain athletes do. And some of those things I'm just, you know, in my head, I'm like that athlete could do that without it taking away from anything else. At least that's my perception, which again could be wrong, but I just don't, I don't buy that yet. So that's the only thing that I guess I differ or I kind of don't, me, it is very specific. You know, like if, if somebody came to you and SEMA and said like, uh, my back pain takes over my life when I wake up, it's the first thing I think about when I go to bed, it's the last thing I think about, but I want to get jacked. What

should I do? You'd probably be like, okay, well, and if I told you like, all I like to do is like squat bench and dead, you'd probably be like, bro, like maybe we should do some other things. Yeah. I know you wouldn't say like, don't lift or anything like that but like if it's a severe case you probably would be like yeah bro we should chill out on that for a little bit let's get some some of these patterns going let's get you a little in uh at least out of some of this pain and then maybe we'll explore that i would agree with that but i would also understand that i i think that there are certain lifts that would not be deleterious or dangerous that would actually put you in more pain. Like I couldn't see how some high bicep curls would put you in pain. You know, I mean, not, not, and that's just an example, but there are other movements like that where I'm like, you can do this without affecting your lower back negatively.

Full agreement. Because like, what, what is a bicep curl going to like the positives? Like, oh shit, I got a pump. Like I feel good about myself. I look good. Like, Oh dude, now I'm not even thinking about my back pain. So like, I, I, I'm in agreement with you there where I'm like, I think just, it's not going to hurt anything. If, if, as long as it's not hurting you, literally not hurting you. Yeah. I think we're okay. Yeah. That, that, that's all I'm saying. Yeah. I remember coach house, you know, saying that, like, I think once a week he would let the players pick whatever music they wanted to put on, and they could write out the workout themselves, and each player would write down an exercise. It was always curls, biceps, triceps, shoulders, big superset.

No one was required on that particular day to do something that they didn't want to do, which is normally they're doing yeah stuff that's not as fun right and he even said that he would leave the gym room and just let them have fun he's like that was when they got their loudest the rowdiest and like everybody was all in it together because they're just having fun right because it's it's a lot more than just reps and sets sometimes he just doesn't want to see the chaos that they're doing it's gonna make him nuts i want to be blind to what my athletes are doing. I just leave.

The old superhero workout. I think another big factor here is just like where you are in your life or where you are in your career, like what you're doing with your sport. Like maybe you do have an injury. You're coming off an injury. Maybe you're just sick and tired of like getting the same results, so then you're looking to do something slightly different. So I think it matters a lot.

If we're talking about a developed athlete, I think a developed athlete should always look into – I feel like I can afford it. I have like enough muscle mass to go and do something else. Like am I going to lose a bunch of muscle? I don't know. I don't know how much I care but I care in terms of like my metabolism doesn't seem like a great idea to like lose muscle mass. But I don't think I'm going to lose muscle mass doing these things since they're still so challenging. However, if I was in more of a development stage and I was still building muscle mass and still had a desire to bodybuild or power lift, there's no way I would feel like I could even afford to go and do some of the things I'm doing right now because I would be like, this is what I know.

I know how to build muscle this way and I don't know about that other stuff. So I don't think I can reach all the way for it, but I could do what Nseem is saying. I could do a mix. I can start to blend stuff in and that's pretty much where I'm at right now. Like I'm still going to use, you know, um, yesterday I couldn't have done, uh, I did,

I guess like three workouts yesterday and they were all very different. Like I was on the beach and I was just like running and like messing around with the waves and stuff and like jumping around the waves and it's like, but the waves would come in and I would run backwards, from them and i'd run forward towards them and it was just a long like a walk run and that was like a little mini workout and then i worked out with john mills doing some of the functional pattern stuff and then when i was done there saying strength is like five minutes away so i drove over there and i'm like i'm gonna get a pump. And I did some back and some biceps. And so there was a lot of variety there. And I know like, you know, some people would, you know, maybe say like, oh, you know, leave some of that other stuff behind. But I just enjoy it.

It's just a lot of fun for me. So still trying to make progress in multiple areas. And that's just the way I like to do it. Got a correction for you, Mark. You did four small workouts yesterday. Uh-oh. You were sweating in your foyer. I was.

That was your fourth workout yesterday. I was. I was sweating with the electric impedance that you had on me. Hey, you broke it. You know what I got to mention, though? I've mentioned muscle so much. Every time I've been talking about certain things, I'd say like slapping some muscle on that athlete. Just because an athlete's muscular doesn't mean they're a good athlete.

I think you mentioned that. You know, like a lot of the muscle-bound athletes are sitting on the bench. So it's not all about just having muscle when we're talking about athletes. Sometimes I literally need to gain weight, especially for something like football. Like if you're a 260-pound offensive lineman and you're going into the pros. Better be fast. I just don't know. I think that you have to gain weight. You have to.

You're going to get crushed, I think. Yeah. You know, like the context of muscle with a lot of people listening, a lot of people are powerlifters and bodybuilders and some are athletes. Like for powerlifting and bodybuilding, having the most muscle is important, but not necessarily for soccer, football, basketball, baseball, even jiu-jitsu, right? It can be beneficial having some extra muscle, but it's not the end-all, be-all. It isn't. So that is understood. And, you know, even this guy, Goku. you ever watched dragon ball z dude they're jacked

yeah yeah but but wait tell me what do you think goku's height and weight is oh he's a shorty i'm sure what do you think his height and weight is five seven 175 yeah goku's like 570 is supposed to like 150, looking like that. I didn't know that until I was an adult. He looks like 6'2", 280. That's not the case, right? Looks like a Franco Colombo. It's also drawn. I know, I know. I'm just saying

all these muscled down... It's a cartoon? Yeah, man. Dragon Ball Z? Yeah. Well, you can't call it a cartoon, though. It's anime. I'm a fucking weeb but what i'm saying here is like all of us who were inspired by goku don't even understand that goku wasn't that big yo yeah it wasn't that big man let me see if i can find it because uh in the in the new street fighter 6 uh they were giving out rise yeah reuse

are i'm fucked up and it was like he only weighed like 175 pounds but he was like jacked as fucking looking like his chin wouldn't fit in this room he's fucking giga yeah were you yeah i i i think one thing though is like um there there is a these aspects about gaining muscle makes sense there like you see it specifically within jiu-jitsu. People think that if an individual is very muscular, they won't move well, they won't have good mobility, they won't have good movement. And I think it also really just does come down to

how the individual does build that muscle. That's what I notice. If an individual, all they do is... So 5'9", 187. Okay. Yeah. But if all they do is... So 5'9", 187. Okay. Yeah. But if all they do is just do bodybuilding stuff and they don't do their sport, they don't focus on moving well, they're going to move like a bodybuilder.

They're going to be stiff and shit, right? And that's one thing that will pop up too for me when I'm working Electrons Plus. Say I'm working someone's forearm. No joke. I'll be working someone's forearm and their hand goes to the mouse. And you can see them clicking. or like someone who plays a string instrument I can play the string instrument because they have this muscle memory and they're

working chords is that why I was doing like a beat I came twice by the way thank you that's really cool, though. Yeah. It's crazy.

Oh, yeah. Tell them about the arm. The person that had their arm because of their occupation. So I was working on this lady who couldn't feel anything. I think it was in her hand at all. But she just had adhesion all the way from the shoulder down to the wrist. Yeah. And, you know, we're talking about what she does.

What are her habits? Where is she spending time? What is she doing with that arm in particular or her life? Mm-hmm. She ended up, you know, there were some others around, but she admitted to me that she was an escort and she was using that arm a lot of her day

she was a sex worker so we went to work to get that arm put back together that's so awesome no I didn't I wasn't able to tell because nothing would fire she literally couldn't feel it

she was like slam it in a car door I don't care I won't able to tell because nothing would fire. She literally couldn't feel it. She was like, slam it in a car door. I don't care. I won't feel it. That's the arm that she used, though? That could make some sense, though. That's dedication. Overuse injuries. They're going to create adhesion.

Milk and deodorant. We have to send a signal down that arm. Or she just mentally just doesn't want to feel it right oh hey that's definitely something yeah like it's just mental trauma i'm tired of draining all these dudes oh god nothing against sex workers by the way sex work is real work this is a trust it is a circle of trust i'm just a child and i laugh at shit like this but But wow. So did you end up actually like, did she have good like, did she get fixed over time?

She would have been a long-term client. We worked together once. I think we helped a little bit. But it's hard to say. Next day she said she felt like she got hit by a truck. So, you know, it seemed to have had some kind of effect on her but i'm not sure yeah how do you get people to come back a second third time because like my right side like really banged up right i mean it feels banged up after you worked on me

and thinking about like getting more work done today you know just like oh man if he gets in there again like is it gonna hurt twice as bad now like so like what's the process there in getting people to come back after they feel like shit that's the point of usually a session one or potentially making that a session two right we can we can just fire up the muscles real smooth but if we identify that there's adhesion that maybe needs to go it might be a good idea to break that up and smooth it out a little bit so of course that first session for you felt like felt like death after a day or two or it was hard like you worked out i noticed it you were sore yeah for sure so you don't have to do that that often. From there on, we're trying to make sure that that quad or that VMO

or that vastus lateralis is firing from TFL all the way down to the knee. Yours wasn't at the time. So we went to break it up and smooth it out to allow it to do just that later on yeah so i'm curious when i work on you again because we're going to yeah oh i'm hoping to have time today it'll be that'd be dope and my wife is coming in so hopefully we can because i'm curious what's going on with her wrist but um i am curious about the like so when you touched uh i'll let you name off the muscle parts because i have no idea but like nothing would happen. Or we'd get like a slight twitch and then you'd kind of work your magic.

The next thing you know, like my quad and everything is locked up. So what's causing that? Fully flexed. Right. Yeah. Sorry, not locked up. Not like a cramp. It was actually just flexed hard.

It felt good in the moment. But what's causing like the disruption in like the signaling? Like what can I do or why does that happen? There's a variety of factors that play into this. We have to look at exercise. We have to look at breath work, hydration. Where do we get our charge? Are we collecting charge from the earth, walking out in the grass or the dirt? There are a lot of really important factors that have to do with the charge that we carry because our bodies are electric. We have to send signals from the brain to the muscles to the bottom of the feet.

And if we have any kind of disruption, injury, stress, these things all play a role in whether we can actually carry a charge and fill our battery. And there are some more controversial items too, you know. Trauma needs to be addressed. Trauma is definitely a big discharge. We all know that stress, anxiety, trauma, we hold our breath. So if you're holding your breath, what are you doing for the oxygenation of every tissue in your body? Except for starving it. Another one kind of controversial is,

not super controversial really. You see Starrett talk about this all the time. Scars. You know, if you have a wound or a scar and it's cutting through some fascia, that's a disruption in the fascial network. That's really where the signal is being sent. It's your meat sleeve for the muscle.

And if you can't send that signal through because something is adhering to it yeah you gotta break that up um this one's a little crazy root canals potentially root canals technically work like transistors now i'm not really familiar with. I've never had a root canal done. What exactly do they do? Yeah, what do they do in there? They're pulling the nerve root out. I believe they're filling it. I don't know exactly what's going on,

but this is what I'm learning, is that a root canal can be pretty deleterious for the body as a battery, as a battery center. So something to, something to consider. If you're having health issues or you're feeling like your batteries or your charge is low and you just can't get ahead and you've got root canals, you might want to start looking. It's probably not an easy thing to reverse.

There's a lot of low-hanging fruit, though, right? I have a lot of things there. Let's get in the dirt and drink our water and exercise first. Right. And breathe. Cold plunge. Yeah, breathe. Yeah, the breathing thing is crucial.

We need to reiterate that to my wife when she comes in because she is definitely the person that will tense up. It's silly. If we walk upstairs or something she will hold her breath the entire way and then get to the top and be like lightheaded and like what's wrong she's like oh i forgot to breathe again is that a superstition i have no idea hold your breath while you walk on the stairs i'm not sure i have no idea where that came from but yeah it's interesting so that's something she needs to learn today. Okay. What about water? You know something about water? Any type of water?

Anything will work? Or should it be some particular kind of water? Some people like specific water. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, because you had mentioned like staying hydrated and stuff. I think spring water is great. I think clean water is great. I think clean water is great.

When I'm working, like, say, a foot bath, I'll use Epsom salts. Now, we're not talking about drinking water. But, again, you need electrolytes, whether it's through the feet or through your hydration. So we've got additives. I think, Mark, you've got a little something that you do for electrolytes. Yeah, I mean it's huge. Electrolytes are monstrous. You cannot carry that charge without electrolytes.

We're looking at sodium and potassium. This is how we send signals from cell to cell. Yeah. No, it's interesting because I know some people who are all about like the pH of their water. So they have like the Kangen thing on their sink to make sure the water is at the correct pH. I was trying to see if it was that weird. Testing the alkalinity. Yeah. You know, even though I, again, that I don't necessarily like – I haven't gone down that rabbit hole.

There's – with all the little things that we are doing that's actually messing us up these days, it wouldn't be surprising to think that there's probably something up with the water that we're drinking on a daily basis. Oh, yeah. That could be definitely improved, right? Well, no one drinks from the faucet anymore, right? Right. I mean that's like this is people don't do it i mean when i was a kid i sound a million years old but like we didn't have a lot of like water bottles like no one this was not a thing you couldn't sell this to somebody no one would

buy it yeah we just drink water out of the water hose out in the front yeah and like you cannot do that anymore like people freak out if you mention that yeti and and all these other companies, they wouldn't be a thing. No one carried around water. Just didn't do it. My girl's from Missouri and one day, I think one of the first days, she was making some coffee and she goes to the sink and

pours the sink water in there. Then she goes to the coffee maker and I'm like, are you washing that? Are you washing? She's like, no, I'm making coffee. I'm like, what's your country ass no no i'm making coffee i'm like what's your country ass doing you're making coffee with sink water you're gonna die what so much chlorine no you can't even taste it no i'm just i'm just a pussy bro but yeah no that's no no yeah we don't

do that fuck no but we do we have a a berkey filter and when i pour the water in from the faucet you can smell all the chlorine in it. It's crazy. Maybe it's just Elk Grove water, but it's strong. I'm like, whoa, it's pretty bad. Yeah, got to run it through a filter, though. Yeah, it's funny. Never straight from the faucet, never.

It's disgusting. Yeah, I think with some of those fun filtration systems, you're going to be better off just getting out, getting your hands or feet in the dirt, right? Like, we came from that dirt. We should get back to it once in a while. So you're a fan of grounding? Yeah, that's what this whole Electrons Plus is. I mean, it's an expedited grounding session.

It's like a jump start for your battery. Now, after you're done with it, hopefully you go out and do the things necessary to an expedited grounding session. It's like a jump start for your battery. Now, after you're done with it, hopefully you go out and do the things necessary to maintain or even increase that charge. Because you don't need me. You don't need a PEMF bed. You don't need any Electrons Plus provider. Some people might.

Some people might with where they are currently. But we got everything we need. The pad that you're standing on, would one of those be just okay for somebody? I don't know. People call it the concrete jungle. Somebody that lives in an apartment or something that doesn't have easy access. Obviously, we all have access to the ground. Eventually, you just take 10 steps. But if you wanted wanted to could you get one of those things that you plug because i have one i plug it into the wall and if i'm getting work done i put my feet

on it but i don't actually know what the fuck's going on with that yeah i think that's those work at least an option if you're stuck inside for sure at least an. Go outside and touch a tree. What? Hug it. Take your shirt off first though. I might melt. What if I see a person outside? Ooh. Alright. Talk to somebody? Yeah.

I hope they don't talk to me. They just start darting the other way, right? My neighbor. I'm just like, fuck, please don't look over here. Fuck, he's going to come talk to me and tell me the same shit that he tells me every time hot out today huh yeah it's supposed to be 104 tomorrow oh yeah dude tom you have a good one i gotta get running so it seems like you guys are getting a lot of work done in your backyard like oh fuck here we go you just just he's super nice but did you hear that did you see that gray car that was down the street last week oh yeah you're like yeah like what the fuck yeah no i don't care when you were growing up did uh this

is actually an aside but like did your parents like talk to their neighbors was it like uh you know when you see the movies and all the kids in the neighborhood are running around and going on adventures and shit and all the neighbors know each other were your parents like that or no no they also just yeah i've realized i don't fucking know my neighbors either it's a yeah it's just like is this good i feel like it's not good i mean we knew our neighbors but like i think it's mainly like the only neighbors that we knew yeah were just because like there was other kids in the neighborhood and we meet them at like the bus stop you know what i mean and then their parents knew our parents because we stayed at each other's houses and stuff like that yeah we didn't like know our name like who lived right next to us

we didn't know our neighbors at all yeah i've got yeah i've got a lot of young young new homeowners young families in in my neighborhood that i would love to know i would love to know them because that community is huge you need you need bonding you need relationships with others you have to thrive and that's one way to do it yeah it's tough though what did they ask you that's it yeah man so like okay so when we were kids uh south sack this was when oak park was like really grimy so like no we don't know our neighbors fuck no and then growing up in woodland we we had renters on this side so it was always like we don't fucking know who it's gonna be and you know it's a smaller place so it's like really cheap rent so it was

always really ghetto so it was like people just kind of rotating in and out people on the left of us were super old so they were cool as fuck um Say hi once in a while, da, da, da. But, like, now where I'm at, like, now, everyone's super nice. It's an amazing neighborhood. The people on this side, they're really cool. They're fucking awesome because they're always doing something, so they're always running around, too. So it's always just like, hey, what's up, da, da, da, like, have a good one. Retired couple on this side is, like, they got nothing nothing going on and they want to tell me all

about it and i'm like i'm already running late like you remember when you had to be places like that's me right now people across the street same thing and then one over they got like this young kid that's like always waving and it's like hey hi and like i don't want to talk though so i don't know man i'm always just like i don't have time to like just shoot the shit for 20 minutes like it's nice i like that i know everybody but at the same time i'll talk to you when i want to talk to you i'm gonna google maps your house find out the neighbor to the right of you send them a letter to listen to the end of this specific podcast it would be yeah it'd be to the right. I'll give you his address. His name's Tom.

Thank you. He's a super nice guy. I want to get you guys acclimated. No, he's great. We talk all the time. He's super old. Take us on out here, Andrew. Hopefully he doesn't listen. Although I did tell him what I do and how to find the podcast. He's just so old.

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Feet pointed way out. His back hurts. His back is killing. I better straighten him back out. I think Goku's in a go to stance right now. A little bit. Encyclopedia high. Little side.

At least they're still jacked. He needs to kind of get to this side a little bit more. He's got to get in those columns. He's in a good position. And Jesus' feet are pretty straightforward. He's wearing your sandals. Yeah. Jesus is wearing these sandals.

Good job, Jesus. They're going to get mad at us and say we're blaspheming. You've already gotten a comment of someone saying you need to take Jesus off the table. The boxer has amazing quads. And he's kind of standing in that bow position. Is that a roo? A roo? Yeah.

Is that a kangaroo? No, it's a boxer. It's a boxer. Dog. It's a dog. How dare you? It's a kangaroo.. It's a dog. How dare you? It's a kangaroo. I think we named him Balboa.

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