Mark Bell's Power Project - Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 230 - LA Trip Recap

Episode Date: July 23, 2019

The crew is back from an LA trip which consisted of training with Mike O'Hearn, podcasting with Tom Bilyeu and losing epic podcasts. We'll talk about all of here today! ➢SHOP NOW: https://markbellslingshot.com/ Enter Discount code, "POWERPROJECT" at checkout and receive 15% off all Sling Shots Find the Podcast on all platforms: ➢Subscribe Rate & Review on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mark-bells-power-project/id1341346059?mt=2 ➢Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4YQE02jPOboQrltVoAD8bp ➢Listen on Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mark-bells-power-project?refid=stpr ➢Listen on Google Play: https://play.google.com/music/m/Izf6a3gudzyn66kf364qx34cctq?t=Mark_Bells_Power_Project ➢Listen on SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/markbellspowerproject  FOLLOW Mark Bell ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marksmellybell ➢ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MarkBellSuperTraining ➢ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marksmellybell ➢ Snapchat: marksmellybell Follow The Power Project Podcast ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/MarkBellsPowerProject Follow Nsima Inyang ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nsimainyang/  Podcast Produced by Andrew Zaragoza ➢ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamandrewz

I get Bo Jackson propped up there. Where is Bo Jackson? Yeah, we're actually... Andrew? I can Google him, but I don't think actual Google Maps will pop up. Can't you just slide into his DMs? You actually could, probably. Who the fuck can get us Bo?

Can somebody out there get us Bo Jackson? I've been talking about this for years. I don't ask. You know, I make, I shoot a lot of videos. I pump out a lot of content to people. I try to help people squat, bench, and deadlift more. I created a product to help people's shoulders and to allow people to bench more weight.

And no one can just help me out with Bo Jackson. I mean, it's, I mean, I know it's a tall order, but come on. That is kind of surprising, though, with everybody that you know. No one can really get to him. Yeah, come on. There's got to be somebody. I think Encima is trying to prevent all this from happening because it would be the first time we have somebody genetically superior.

Is he, though? Bo. I don't know. I'm joking. Bo, do you know Encima? That was pretty good. Oh, man. Yeah, joking. Do you know Encima? That was pretty good. Yeah, Bo, are you? He probably still has like a 50-inch vertical right now.

What I thought was crazy when we interviewed Larry Wheels was like Larry Wheels, he didn't go to school when he was young. Like his mom, I think they moved. I'm probably getting this wrong, and I apologize. But they moved to some island. I want to say the Virgin'm probably getting this wrong and I apologize, but they moved to some Island. I want to say the Virgin Islands, but it could be way off. I don't know where he's from. I know that he lives in New York and then his parents separated and he moved, moved away and he didn't have a traditional upbringing. He didn't go to school. I think he might've eventually been like homeschooled and something like that. But he's like, I just sat around and

played video games a lot. And I, I got outside and i moved around and i you know was always uh doing stuff but i was like did you play any sports and he's like nope and i was like you know kind of figure trying to figure out like how just how is this guy so strong like what is you know and he was just said that uh anytime he went to do anything he was just he was just better than everybody yeah and i was kind of thinking like what popped into my head because of like his frame and his size and his height and stuff i was thinking of like eddie george you know he used to play for ohio state and then went on to play for the titans i was thinking like this guy could be like larry wheels could be a Hall of Fame running back for all that we know.

He just never, you know, no one ever put a ball in his hand. So we don't really know what could have been. Who knows what the hell he could have done. I mean, he's still doing great. Look, he's still doing amazing things. He's doing strongman. He's doing bodybuilding. He's doing powerlifting.

And he's mesmerized the world with how freaking strong he is. And then he, just the other day deadlifted almost a thousand pounds at that strap across his back you see that after he's like uh yeah he just came up with his back that spud ink uh strap i think it is and uh that's after he tore his bicep tore his bicep a couple days ago uh wish him well on that hope he gets hope he gets better quickly gets you know it's it sucks when you get hurt, and so hopefully he's able to come back from that. But, yeah, I don't know. Maybe that guy could have been a Bo Jackson for all we know.

Yeah, no, I think he could have played almost any sport other than maybe pro basketball. Or maybe he could have done that too. Probably has hops. But he's just, again, he's just so good at everything. He's so strong. He's so explosive. I don't see him really being bad at anything. Did you get a chance to see Bones Jones fight?

Yeah, I did. Isn't it just there's something like I know that that fight wasn't like a spectacular fight. But there's just, man, I don't know about the people listening to this and stuff. But anytime I get a chance to see greatness, I used to be a really big basketball fan. I don't watch it as much as I used to. I wish I was still into it a little bit more. But like when Kobe played, I tried to always catch him. And I wasn't even a Kobe fan.

I just loved the mindset that he had. He was a beast. He was a freaking animal. He was just always practicing and he just wanted to kill the other team. And anytime I got a chance when I was young to watch Jordan, my dad even took me to the Bulls versus Knicks playoff game. And it's that famous play on the baseline where Jordan beats Stark around the corner.

And they show it all the time. And I was at that game and it was sick. But I mean, I love basketball. I love watching competition. But anytime I get a chance to see someone great, even when Tiger was whooping up on people in golf. And I know he came back recently, but I love watching greatness and watching bones. Joan just gives me chills, man. I just, I, when I'm watching it, even like when he blocks something or he's not doing anything that spectacular that other fighters that other

fighters can't do but every once in a while you just see this little this little shade of like greatness and you're like oh what was that yeah you know you see these different things and you know unfortunately the other guy uh ended up with a pretty bad injury and man that guy was tough but it's just so clear that bones just and not every not everything you're not always going to knock everybody out i mean the people in the ufc are are the real deal and i i don't think people understand this any person that he's ever fought could catch him with something yeah and knock his ass out because they could certainly you know knock out just about anybody else right i mean these guys have these are good fighters they they've clipped people

they've caught people with kicks and punches and stuff and here he is just looking like he's going through a practice session yeah no like even when you watch that fight over again it really just seems like he like once he saw that that knee was messed up knowing how good of a fighter he is it really just seems that he was just wanting to win by points and let the fight go by like he just wanted to take that win go out and like without damage or anything and it almost seemed like he didn't want to like mess the other guy up too much either yeah i don't know if that's true or not because obviously like you're taking a risk like that right but it really just seemed like he just wanted to let the fight go by without harming that guy too much it makes a lot of sense i mean i think that if you were grappling with somebody obviously like you're going for points and you're going for

certain things but like if the other guy wasn't really doing much to you and you felt like especially like if you felt if you felt a hundred percent like, okay, I'm a purple belt and this guy at best is maybe like a white belt, you know, or maybe this guy at best has been doing this for two years. I clearly have this in hand. I'm just going to kind of keep going. And if, if an opportunity comes, I'm going to take it. I don't really see anything. I'm not really going to risk myself. Yeah.

You know, that, that's, that's exactly what it seemed like. And another guy who does that a lot is Floyd Mayweather. That's why people hate watching his fights because he'll just points, points, points, points. He'll just score them every single round and then win at the end. So 60, what is he, 60 or 50 and 0 or something like that? 51. 50 or 51 and 0. Yeah.

There's nothing anybody can do about that. Just so crazy because he's so, he's like pretty old now. Yeah, he's getting up there. He's not getting any younger, that's for sure. Yeah. But I mean, like I saw Bones just the other day that he just posted a thing. It was like two days ago.

Or maybe it was just yesterday. But he was just kind of, I don't know, just moving around the bag, just like moving his head and like shuffling from one way to the other. It's kind of working on footwork and there's nobody else in the gym. I mean, obviously there's somebody filming him or whatever, but he's just covered head to toe in sweat. And I just thought to myself like that's that's the big difference that no one wants to talk about. You know, people just want to say he's talented. It's easier for people just to say that. Yeah. It's easy just to be like, oh man, he's just, he's a super talented guy. You know, and he's got this, he's got these amazing genetics and it's easy just to pass it off on that. But nobody wants to talk about the stuff that he's doing kind of behind the scenes and i wrote on his instagram and i was like i think that's the separator is like that you just love it you're there by yourself you're dodging punches or the bag's not throwing punches at you but you're you know pretending and you're playing and that's like a true love for it like you can't there's no way to like fake that i know there's thousands of other athletes in the sport that love it but he's got the combination of loving it and being

skilled and having great genetics. Yeah. And you know, I, I, I almost hate it when people say, Oh, this person's when you see someone who's really good at doing something, I, there might be a smidge of talent in there, but when it comes down to it, I really don't think it comes down to that talent. I think there are just certain people that do much more work than others consistently like Kobe. You know what I mean? Like, yeah,

Kobe definitely was, he was an athlete, but he wasn't always that way. But Kobe is notorious for watching hours and hours and hours of footage. And he's notorious for always being in, in the gym before his teammates and in the gym after his teammates. So you can't attribute all of that to talent because everyone in the NBA is talented.

Everyone has like, there are more guys in nba that were way more athletic than kobe but they didn't have his level of like scoring ability you know they didn't put in the work that he did same thing with jones i think that's why he probably like couldn't see you know eye to eye with shack i mean you know shack shack is really interesting it's like um when I think about like the different athletes over the years and think about that you can kind of you kind of pick somebody that you would like to be like and I I think like I would love to be Shaq for a day like probably more so than anything else because it seems like he has so much fun um or maybe even like a like a Brett Favre like Brett Favre seemed like he had a lot of fun. He played a lot of years. He got the shit beat out of him a lot of times.

He won a lot of games. But you see him joking around the sidelines. And then you have other guys. You got guys like Tom Brady or like Dan Marino. You see this old footage of Dan Marino always screaming at his wide receivers. Just so infuriated with them. There's different ways to be a with them there's different ways to be a champion there's different ways to go about doing it but sometimes some people are so overly

talented they make it look really easy and i'm sure that shack i mean shack probably probably his biggest battle was probably himself all the time yeah because he was just such a big guy and it's like he probably had to figure out the ways of tricking himself to stay in shape and to not overeat and not get too fat. But I remember like in the Super Bowl with the Eagles, Terrell Owens was like so mad at – Terrell Owens is another guy. Like people just – again, they want to just be like, oh, he's got these great – it's like Terrell Owens is jacked. Like I don't – I mean people do have good genetics but they don't have genetics that just give you muscle like that i mean he that guy works out hard he does and he's always in shape and he played in the super bowl with a fucking broken leg and i remember he was

talking shit on donovan mcnabb afterwards he's like donovan's throwing up in a huddle he's like we can't win that way and then it became this kind of big press thing and everything but i think that some guys are like look man you ain't putting in the you're not putting in the work that's needed to to to be the best and you know i think uh in the case of like shack and kobe i think that was kind of always the thing i think kobe was always uh he maybe thought shack was lazy you know yeah yeah shack even admitted that like well like later on after basketball he's like yeah i didn lazy you know yeah yeah Shaq even admitted that like well like later on after basketball he's like yeah I didn't you know practice as much as Kobe and we he hated that

he didn't do that so they always butt heads because of that because like Shaq is he is very talented like you mentioned he is the definition of having great genetics and having a lot of talent and since he was just so big he could just dunk on everybody and body everybody because he outweighed everyone by like 60 pounds yeah and he was always sought after since he was a kid too yeah so he was always like like oh you should appreciate me for even showing up today even if i am late or whatever the case you know and yeah that did drive kobe nuts but it's just like but you see like do you remember the first time that shaq and yao met in NBA and how Yao just like dominated Shaq in that first game you know he like that was I think that was Yao's rookie season he was younger than Shaq and he just made Shaq look like you know look like a boy

you know he was just shooting over him and that's the thing like Yao was someone who practiced a lot and had to use a lot of technique and Shaq just couldn't handle that. You know, so there's, that's important. They talk about that a lot. I mean, when the other countries started to kind of catch up to what was going on here in the U.S. with basketball, they talked about the skill set of the other players and how they were able to pass and dribble. And it was kind of like a throwback back to when everybody on the court was white, pretty much.

And it was kind of like a throwback back to when everybody on the court was white. People had all these they had these attributes that you that you see again today because it had to come back because people had to have the fundamentals of being able to just a flat out shoot. Yeah. You can't just like drive the lane like you could a few years back. I mean, they call fouls on everything and it's just a sports different. But you you have you better be buttoned up on your kind of basics, your skillset, you know, and remember, uh, when we had a Cody Schlesinger here, we were joking with him about, um, his, you know, his basketball players. He was like, you know, on my team at Stanford, he's like, sometimes at the end of the game with some of those other, uh, like Ivy league schools and some of those other teams, he's's like there might be all white guys on the court he's like you know the game's over at that point

um in uh tim s grover's book he said he worked with kobe and he was like you know uh draft night biggest night of your life blah blah what did kobe do that night he went back to the gym to go work out that's why i freaking love kobe like that's why he's literally my favorite basketball player because like even though he wasn't let's say as great as jordan or maybe maybe lebron might be better than him too he just worked so much harder than everybody else yeah and even though like he was so good he continued to put in that work over and over and over which is why like when people say oh he's super talented i don't like yeah he's talented but it doesn't it's not because he was talented that he was so good it's not because of his talent it's because he literally just outworked everybody

and he made sure that everybody knew he outworked them too yeah you know yeah and then same thing happened with dwight howard too when he went to the lakers i guess he uh he he called him and he was like oh what's up kobe like yeah the the ankle the knee whatever it is he's like it's you know it's about 80 kobe just goes good we have a lot of work to do click and that was it and so you know that's not again for someone like dwight howard who's been given we're not given but he's been like received so well everywhere he's gone to finally hear somebody be like okay and what yeah it doesn't you haven't done shit like that's why that didn't work out either yeah but watching some of this old footage of Shaq it's crazy how close Shaq gets to the uh

basket all the time and yeah Yao Ming is kicking his ass he literally like um he swatted him twice and that's never happened to Shaq before that point no one has been able to hit that ball out of Shaq's hand like that so you did it two times in a row god i used to love i i mean i just as a kid i mean i remember getting so excited it was such a cool time there was you know bo jackson and there was barry sanders and there was uh mike tyson like watching a mike tyson fight would would like almost make you sick to your stomach because he just you i don't know you just you didn't know what the hell was going to happen and later in his career the fights got a little more weird because, you know, I just. Yeah.

I mean, you just didn't know, like, are they just throwing in these like, you know, these shit fights because they're making so much money off it. What about. But when he was young and he was coming through and he's just dominating, you know, grown men, he's 19 years old and he's. Yeah. And how about. Smashing people. How about the fact that he was fighting like every two weeks yeah he fought a lot it was like like you think about that today it's like oh like no these guys fight once every two years he's really fighting every time like every other week he was like fighting it like something like like mark just said a 19 year old against when he was

young when he was very when he was in the beginning of his career he fought very often um it's you know it seemed like it seemed like it was like that i don't know like if he fought every month or something like that but he fought a lot yeah and um that's you know that's we're getting from bones jones right now and we got that out of conor mcgregor for a few years that was really cool too i mean these guys don't have to do that you know they can sit back and you know the ufc is going to put some pressure on you but you you know you can you can kind of take your time with your fights but bones he wants to be active i think he said something like he wants to defend his title 20 times or something yeah and then maybe peace out because like what else is there to do but i don't you

know i hope he doesn't get distracted you know i hope he doesn't get distracted with some sort of like not that I think he'll get distracted and like you know end up making a bad decision but I mean like in terms of the fights because people are like oh you know what about like him and Brock Lesnar it's like come on it's like Brock Lesnar Brock Lesnar is an amazing athlete but he's not Bones I mean he'll get killed by

Bones Jones and then you know that doesn't make sense for Bones because he's got to i mean he'll get killed by bones jones um and then you know that doesn't make sense for bones because he's got to step up and body weight and yeah things like that i mean you know hopefully he just hopefully doesn't get involved in these like dream fights because i think usually they're kind of crap you know yeah then outside the octagon of course uh i think it was this morning i was reading another article about some previous thing that happened at a strip club is like yeah it's it's a whole other thing that he's going to have to do. Yeah, it's one of those things, you know, where it's like, no, not again.

But, you know, like I said, I think it's from like a long time ago, but it just surfaced again now. Because maybe they're pressing charges now or something where he got like a waitress in a chokehold or something. Oh! They're just playing around or whatever. But then she's but she's like oh wait oh yeah he does that at shows sometimes he like chokes people out i'm like yeah why yeah so it you know again we don't know what happened like you know she probably was could you imagine any any scenario at all where hoist gracie no you know would be like shaking hands and then he'd be like yeah yeah, let me put you in a – or the person would be like, hey, can you choke me? He would be like, if you try to fight me, maybe. But other than that, I'm not choking you.

I mean it's very dangerous. It is. That's a very easy way to say it. I mean what do you guys do at practice? Do sometimes people go lights out or they tap out a little earlier or does it get scary sometimes? Sometimes people go lights out. But the thing is the only way that people go lights out is if they're a little bit too stubborn on tapping that's what usually happens when they're like they're trying to escape but

they really can't it's usually not slow it's usually it's usually like once the depends on the choke once the grip is there it's pretty obvious that it's about to happen right but some will come on faster than others like chokes that end up being on the side of the neck especially here like some people don't think they're gonna get tapped out and then they're already out andrew have you ever felt that pressure before of what that feels like uh not to where it's like oh shit like it's about to happen dude it is fucking crazy yeah like i i'm talking like just for the sake of feeling it like you should feel it like when just not even i'm not even talking about him clamping it on i'm talking about him just giving

you an opportunity to tap you'll be like oh my and like there's so many other things he could do from there too like getting somebody in a proper choke and if he inhales it takes some uh breath into his diaphragm and then he climbs on you a little bit and then with his arms and his forearm i mean it's like it is it is so crazy like the world just goes it just flashes right you're like holy shit yeah no i've never i mean just like uh like digging around with friends that like knew a tiny bit yeah oh let me just see what it feels like. And even that was nothing. It's wild.

With somebody that knows what you're doing, they have the right positioning, and they just push your head a little bit forward. That's kind of what you do on some of these chokes, right? Push the head a little bit forward. It is like, I don't even know how to describe it, but it is crazy. It hasn't happened at our school. But, yeah, some people have gone out. But sometimes when people go out, poop themselves so like yeah no that's happened at other schools where like someone will go out and then you just hear you know

and then it smells like doo-doo so you got to be careful with that some people are just too what happens a guy gets kicked off the team if he shit like hey dude listen man you know it was great having you around but you crapped your you know you pooped your pants last time i would not come back i literally would not come back to the school if that happened to me i mean you kind of pooped your pants in the locker room did i yeah i did i went to the sauna yeah i did i went to the sauna um that i guess no one no one made no one knew yeah okay except Yeah, okay. Except now, but like. Except for now, the world knows.

Yeah, but it's no big deal. Damn, dude. Dude, you're coming up on two years being with your old lady? Yeah, it's today. It's today. Congratulations, dude. Yeah, thank you. Thank you.

I appreciate that. That's fucking awesome. Yeah. That's super cool. And then you met her at like coffee shop or something, right? Yeah, I met her at Starbucks. Yeah. Starbucks. I slid into her DMs and it was on from there.

She could hear your romantic voice through the DM. Yeah, man. No, it was cool. Like when I met her, I asked for a coworker about her. He tried to like, I guess he was trying to tell me like she was or she wasn't in a relationship because he uh he's trying to protect her but then i thought she was so i didn't talk to her for a while so she went for weeks without me talking to her and she's like why is this dude gonna ask about me and not talk to me so then uh she got my name from like the coffee cup followed me on instagram i woke up in the morning i was like yes and then i slid right in those dms like that real quick i'd imagine you haven't been turned down too many times in your life um well you know what not like that's like don't make stuff up all of a sudden i don't i don't think in sema like went into like deep training like bodybuilding training because he couldn't get a chick or something right yeah i don't have game there's not that rocky montage

where he got turned down like that's it that's the thing i'm not like a smooth dude like i i i speak the way i speak yeah i think the only way a guy like yourself can get in trouble is if you just talk too much yeah because then you can just talk the girl out of the situation she'd be like oh man that guy's too into lifting or he's too into nutrition or he's too into jujitsu like that's the only time you could probably. Yeah. That's why I just let them talk about themselves and they love to do that. But not your girlfriend. Oh no. No. Not my girlfriend.

Not my girlfriend. No. That's super cool. Yeah. L.A. was pretty pretty damn fun. We got to get down there with what's that guy's name. Mike O. Trent.

Mike O. Trent. Is that his last name. Trent. Yeah. Mike O. Trent. Huh. Like the drug. I think he changed it to her like when he was 27 Mike O. Trent. Is that his last name? Trent? Yeah, Mike O. Trent. Huh.

Like the drug. I think he changed it to Hearn when he was 27 or 28. Oh. Because of the allegations. Because of the allegations. But it actually is Mike O. Trent. Is that lawsuit still going? Yeah, it is. It's still open.

But I think he's just been dodging it year after year. So we'll see what happens. How's the guy so jacked? And how's he so strong? What do we got to do? How do we defeat this do how do we how do we defeat this oh trend i don't know if he can be defeated i think like he just has to age a little bit more can we like take away his but he's getting stronger with him yeah can we just maybe

like poison him or something i'm pretty sure people have tried yeah yeah definitely and he just attempted that it's really funny funny. Cause my Mike and I, we really do enjoy hanging out with each other and he keeps texting me. He's like, when are you coming back? He's like setting up this thing, uh, in late July.

And he's like, you got to come back down. And, and, uh, he's, he's all excited about it, but it is,

it is a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun to work out. And then to, uh, to have you guys experience is a lot of fun it is a lot of fun to work out and then to uh to have you guys experience it is a lot of fun for me yeah because look we all love training we all love getting after it but it's like man that guy he just he loves it loves it and he's loved it for 30 years you know you know like when people watch him train like when he was doing like the deadlift thing that he was doing right where he was like trying to engage his lower lats or whatever with the deadlift would you see comments on youtube just like oh you're gonna tear your bicep or oh that doesn't make any sense like

sometimes you just maybe should just try something because he was doing not just that movement but there were so many other unconventional movements that if you look at like uh you know an exercise science textbook you'd be like no don't do thatract your scapula first and do this and that. But when you do certain things that he's talking about, you will feel certain muscle groups activate that you don't typically feel activate that much, you know? So it's just so many people were like dissing the rows that we were doing and stuff. And I'm just like, yo, you just got to try it. Cause I thought I wouldn't feel something, but I did. Right. No did right now yeah and you know be open and and try try some different things i i think the main there's two main take-home lessons

from michael hearn is like uh i guess maybe three one is consistency like if you're just relentless with your consistency if you figure out a way just to get there every day uh then that's that's a big part of the battle and i think you know most of people listening this podcast that lift and stuff probably don't need like this big old motivational speech but just understand that if you're not pumped about where you're at right now if you stick with it for a long time you will be yeah uh tom bill you who we'll talk about in a little bit he he recently had a great post that he talked about on Instagram TV where he said, if given a long enough timeline, you can catch anybody in just about anything. And then he went on to say, you know, the problem with that statement is that it's not really 100% true because some people will just always be ahead. He said, however, what if you put in

that effort? How many people are you going to pass? That is really cool. So somebody might be stronger than you. They might be leaner than you. They may be this or that than you. You can work your way towards that. You can work your way beyond that. And who knows five years from now, 10 years from now, you might have to wait until you're 50 to beat that other person that's better than you right now at 25. But if you stay consistent, you'll get there. The other thing that I love that Mike does is, you know, every time he is in the gym, he brings it, obviously. So it's not just – I have never really been in the gym with him.

I've never been in the gym with him where it was like we're just going through the motions. I've worked on smaller muscle groups like shoulders and stuff, and it definitely has a way different feel than deadlifting or squatting, right? But you're always working your face off, you know, consistency, working your face off and then the third thing that I really love that he does and this is something everyone can and should incorporate is don't always worry about the weight even though Mike is is so consistent and he's been doing it for so long that he's going to use a lot of weight on a lot of these things it's not how much weight you're lifting and it's not necessarily even just the exercise itself, but it's how you're executing it. And what is the result? What are you trying to do with it? So Mike is, um, he's insanely knowledgeable about training. Um, he's not going to come at you like

he's got a PhD or something like that. But he's, he's pretty, he's pretty simple. Uh, when it comes to some of these training methods, like the first exercise that we did was kind of a mass builder, kind of something to thicken up the back quote unquote. I know this is bro science. People get all pissed off, right? But bro science works. There's a reason, you know, the reason why these bros have developed some of these training methods because they work. And then the secondary movements that we got into, those are all the ones that are going to

kind of shape the muscle. And basically all that he means by that is it's an exercise where your strength is limited by the governing rules of how you're doing the exercise. So a very easy example for everybody to digest is let's do a barbell overhead press standing and get them over your head whatever way you can. Well, we can all picture and envision that you're going to do more weight on that. I mean, even if you're not super strong at them,

even if you can handle, you know, let's just say a hundred pounds, you know, with a barbell, that's not breaking any world records by any means. We can all understand that that would be a greater load than what you would handle in say like a lateral race, you know? And so therefore the lateral race kind of gets associated more with shaping the muscles and also that's the kind of stuff a bodybuilder may do as the show gets closer they might be doing

higher reps of those the other the other part of it too that plays into it all is that you can really see the muscle working on exercises like that when it comes to like an overhead press you're not going to see the muscles working as much and you're not going to feel it as much so a lot of what he says you know people do get bent out of shape about the the bro science of it all um but shit man it works he's jacked and uh i was feeling every bit of of what he was showing us yeah no it's it's not like yeah it's not just because he's jacked like that people really just need to try some of the things he's talking about and give them an honest shot like when we were doing those rows where our back was bent forward right and we were rowing the bar towards ourselves to activate the rear delts

um that was that was insane like the the activation that i felt in my rear delts was pretty damn crazy but when you look at the position you're in, you're doing a seated row. Your back is bent. It's like so, so contrary to what anybody would say. This is the way you would row. If you saw someone doing that in gym, you're like, oh, you're going to hurt your back. But if you actually try it and try to activate those specific muscle groups that he's talking about, you'll feel so much more activation than you would with like maybe a typical face pull. So that's the thing.

Like he really is just he looks at training from a lot of different angles that you don't typically see from like, you know, your normal 24-hour fitness personal trainer or whatever, just normal trainers that go by the book. He really looks at it from so many different angles, which is why he probably looks the way he does. many different angles which is why he probably looks the way he does you know how was it for you uh getting an opportunity to work out with him after like you've been in bodybuilding for a long time i'm sure you are well aware of who michael hearn is before you and i even have ever really met and uh so what was it like for you i do know it was awesome like the deadlifting stuff was cool um just i was just trying to like see how he was showing stuff to other people too. Like one cool thing about Mike is that when he saw me or anybody

else, like maybe doing something a little bit off from the way that he would do it, right. He'd tell you to adjust to one thing, like literally just one thing. And then it would feel totally different. So like, like I could understand, okay, he knows what he's talking about about he knows how to make the changes so you can feel things in a certain way and then again just the the big thing was just like I liked seeing how he would add different things to movements like this deadlift right shit man he's so like he's so strong like that just looks yeah he was in control of everything he was doing no matter how heavy it was which is like that's a great word he's always in control of stuff he was doing, no matter how heavy it was. That's a great word. He's always in control of stuff.

Yeah, that's what I try to copy with whatever load I'm working with. I like to make sure that I can feel it where I want to feel it and I can control it. So, yeah, man, he's just like he's extremely knowledgeable. He's not just like some big dude. Like he knows what he's doing and he does a lot of unconventional stuff. This is an interesting thing is like and i know we're we're always swinging off of michael hearn's nuts over here um and i i know that you guys hear us talk about him all the time but he really is impressive

he's impressive guy to be around he's motivational and inspirational without without going down he doesn't give you i'm not trying to give you like a motivational speech he just is he just is that guy that he's he's always going to be really difficult to get ahead of he's always going to be difficult to beat on anything um and so that's why you know we get so excited that's why we talk about him so much but it's great to uh you know share information with him and even like in this training session, it was cool for me because I was able to talk to him and talk to his crew about the form and technique. Mike, Mike has good mobility. So Mike will squat down to the bar and almost like squat his deadlifts up,

whether he's pulling them conventional or sumo. Most of the time, I don't advise that for people, but I have run into athletes that have been Olympic lifters before or people that have just been very mobile. And I'll say, you know what, that actually looks like it's going to work for you. It looks good for you. And so I will allow some people to have that lower hip position. But most of the time, people end up doing kind of a two-part lift and it doesn't look very good but with mike he's able to squat down uh you know super low get down to the weight and you know it's it's it's just a different uh different looking deadlift but yeah trying to bend those arms

that was really different for me i was like i don't know how this is gonna feel but just like and seem is pointing out there I am spotting them from the back. Like, and Seema's pointing out, just give it a shot and do it with really lightweight. Try it with a plate. But if you curl 135, if you do, you know, I don't know, just curl your arms up like 25 or 15% or so. Yeah. And do a deadlift, it'll feel so much lighter. The bar will be a lot closer into your body.

And it's really important that you keep that bar close. You know, watching this video right now, and it's kind of annoying because you're wearing a tank top. And so I used to have excuses when I'd see you in a regular shirt. I was like, oh, well, in SEMA, he's obviously wearing football shoulder pads underneath his T-shirts. That's why his shoulders are so big. But now I can actually just see that it's actually your shoulders. Now I hate you more than I did before. Yeah. Which is pretty high. Thank you. The hatred's going pretty high. I appreciate that. You did great on this day. Did it feel good to be able to handle some weight too?

Oh yeah, no, it definitely did. I felt a little bit of a, I think, I don't know if I, when I went up to five plates initially. Yeah, it kind of pushed you to go heavier. Yeah, there was a little bit of a twinge in the back, but it was nothing major. And then when I went up to six, like that, you pushed me to go up to six. I'm happy you did because nothing got worse. So yeah, it was cool. It was good. I was happy to see that I could still pause 605 well. It wasn't too bad. Actually, it wasn't bad at all but uh yeah it was really fun

did it feel good for him i mean he came over to you and and like uh like almost uh passed past the torch over to you he was like he said you're strong and i think i think from what i remember i think he said you're stronger than me and he says i'm stronger than him but like like being real i'm not like we know that i'm definitely not stronger than michael hearn um but i'm catching up it'll take years yeah but we're catching up yeah that was i mean that was that workout was a lot of fun it's again you know it's not always about how much weight you're lifting but it's about how you're lifting it as well and so if you you know if you're like us here at super training gym sometimes we get the opportunity to train in some groups.

Don't just train with the group and don't just, if you have a training partner, don't just lift the same weight as it just lift, lift what you need to lift, you know, lift what you need to lift. And if somebody is doing a five by five, but they're going five seconds on the way down and pausing for two seconds, match that. But don't worry about matching the weight match the purpose match the meaning behind it and learn how this shit's supposed to feel it can be a lot of fun yeah no it's even when you were mentioning the lighter weight thing like there are so many movements in the gym that especially like the smaller movements where i definitely could do more weight but i don't because i don't like i start to feel it in other places you know so it's almost laughable sometimes the lightweight that i work with but the activation i feel when doing that is just so

much more than if i increased it by 10 or 15 pounds and it looks at some like if if if other like you know the single arm dumbbell rows not single arm dumbbell rows the uh hammer strength row right there are a lot of guys i see in here that are doing like four plates. Oh, going ham on it, right? But, but if I did four plates, like I start feeling it in my arms and other places, like I stick to like maybe two plates and a quarter cause I feel all of that in my lats. So like, just, you don't need to go super heavy with everything. Deadlifts and big compounds. Yeah. But some of your accessories focus on where you're trying to feel that. Something to give some notice to is

just remember everything that you do in the course of a day has a price. Everything that you do in the course of a day has a price. And so, you know, if you're somebody who really loves to do 10 exercises in the gym every single time you go, that might be a little ambitious. That might be, that might be a little overkill. You might want to try to bring that into like a four to six and have a main focus with it. Um, and you might want to put a little more

purpose behind it, or as in SEMA is pointing out, you know, maybe, maybe do the lift, maybe execute the lift better rather than worrying about, uh, the type of weight that's on there. It's something that, you know, I kind of, I've learned a long time ago, but it's something that I've only implemented more recently was like, let's not even, let's not waste time doing anything unless there's like, can I apply a purpose to this? And I don't have to always do that, but for the most part, can I, can I say, if someone said, Hey, why are you doing this? Can I give them a decent reason?

If not, then maybe I shouldn't do it. Um, if the reason is just because you want to get a little pump on your way out the door, that's okay. Yeah. Those are okay. It's okay to have those little wins at the end, or you just wanted to blast out some extra reps on something, but also understand that has a cost to it. Let's say you had a really great bench session. You did two movements, and you're moving on to, maybe you're working on some close grip stuff, and you just want to rep it out or something like that.

Keep in mind, it's got a cost to it. Do you want to get that feeling right then, or would you rather kind of starve off that feeling for a greater reward at some other point you know maybe maybe by not doing uh an amrap set of deadlifts out of nowhere that wasn't scheduled isn't great because you're it's tuesday and you're supposed to deadlift again on friday so let's just you. Like, and I'm not saying you can't go for it. If sometimes if you want to, you should, but at the same time, I think it makes the most sense to curb it all in a little bit so that you're ferocious when it's time to actually do it.

No, you're, you're right. Like there's, there's a, I think even myself, I used to have the tendency of trying to like have every single workout, leave it there, every single workout. Right. So using failure a lot, you're doing a lot of AMRAPs and you feel like you had a great workout, but then your next session, you're a bit beat up. Your next session, you're beat up. Your next session, you're beat up. Then you have to take a little bit of a break.

You're like my elbow, my forearm, my this, my shoulder. Yeah. It's like maybe those things you have to analyze why do those things hurt are you doing too much stuff are you not getting enough rest um we always want to try to blame it on like the movement or we want to try to uh we want to try to put a wrap or a strap or something on it to try to cover it up a knee sleeve an elbow sleeve and we sell product we sell product here, and, you know, of course we're going to do that. But that's not going to solve anything. That's just going to kind of mask it.

So you have to figure out, like, what's the root cause of this? The root cause of it is probably the fact that you're training like an idiot. One thing Mike O'Hearn doesn't do is train like an idiot. That's why he's lasted so long. That's what something else I wanted to bring up and I almost forgot was, is that people always point out the fact that mike has never been hurt and it's not really true mike has been banged up uh just as much as the next guy luckily for him he hasn't had a tear he hasn't had anything really really big he calls them ow. He's had a few owies here and there. And the other thing to keep in mind with Mike though, he's done such a good job of,

he doesn't really compete. Now he competes all the time because he's an animal and because he's just getting after it all the time. Right. But he's not trying to step on a stage in competition and bodybuilding really anymore. He does mostly guest appearance. And so it's competition against himself to push himself to see how lean he can get. And the competition in the gym is against himself. The guys that he normally works out with are strong, but they're younger guys and they're not nearly as big and nearly as strong as he is.

And so he's not even in constant competition in his training. The point is, is that he stays in his own lane. And when somebody says, oh man, Mike's never been hurt. That is very true. But when I watch him, I think people are, people are not understanding how intelligent he is when it comes to his training because most of the lifts he does are pretty easy and even on this day he could have lifted more he definitely could have he could he could have went up he could have probably you know done the same weight you did and stuff like

that but he knows in his head like that's not smart that's not he probably walked in with a plan or after he touched three plates and four plates, he probably kind of had developed a plan. He knew that that wasn't, that wasn't smart for him to do on that day. And that takes a lot of courage to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Like that,

that's the thing. That's why a lot of times I don't touch a lot of heavy weights on certain days just because I know it's not the greatest idea. You know, he's again, that's, you could tell, like,

I know that Mike could lift much more than me on deadlifts. I'm pretty sure. But you don't see him do deadlifts that heavy probably just because he, like, he just knows he doesn't need to. You know, he's not trying to prove anything. He's just trying to, you know, better himself over time and see what he can do. Andrew, what's the hardest part for that with you? Andrew, what's the hardest part for that with you? You know, like if we're training like in a group, you know, and somebody's got 365 or 350, somebody's got 315 on there and you know you're capable of doing it,

but you know that you should still take those intermediate, like what's the hardest part for you on stuff like that? Definitely the ego, but more of like, oh, sorry, Encima, like I'm going to drop the weight. Like I don't want to like mess up your workout. You know what I mean? And I know you're like, oh, that doesn't matter. The weight comes on and off. But for me, that means I have to get the jack, you know, and lift that up. And so it's going to just take me a little bit longer. The other part is, yeah, it's like, I know I can do that. Like, I'm just going to go for it since it's already there. But then what you were just saying

like that's now gonna hinder the rest of the workout and the rest of the week especially if my back's tweaked you know it's gonna it's yeah um i would say that's probably the biggest factor when it comes to not wanting to drop the weight yeah and everybody's dealing with like plates and quarters and plate quarter plate quarter plate quarter and you're like oh i gotta take a plate off and put a 10 on it's like you feel like you're like, oh, I got to take a plate off and put a 10 on. It's like you feel like you're bumming everybody out or something like that. That's exactly what I feel, yeah. The honest truth of it is that no one cares.

And secondly, I always think that you are, the only way you can hurt the group is not to participate. Yes. Like that's the key ingredient to raining on everybody's parade. It's just to completely not participate. And so to have you lift and do the same set of three as the other guy did is awesome because now I get to invest my time in you and watch you and get excited from what you did. And now I may be hyped up or maybe I'm more focused on my next lift. And it really helps with that kind of camaraderie and building that kind of team environment. So I always think the worst know, the worst thing you do is like kind of sit in a class. That's why we have the no

headphone rule in the gym. It's like, I don't want people like off on their own, you know, not participating, not at least standing around. I mean, how much, how much difference does it make when you go to do a lift? No one's really paying attention because you're doing your warmups. But now even if people don't say stuff, if they just kind of go over to where you're at and they watch you lift it makes you feel better yeah it gives you some encouragement i used to not understand it and now it's like when it's not there it's like oh shit somebody just call my name in the middle you know in the gym and then uh so back to like the uh um like what deters me from taking weight off before uh before i was able to like rep 315 on the deadlift it was the fact that i could not rep 315 so i felt like well i need to be able to get stronger so i'm not going

to take any weight off because you hear people all the time logical enough to understand that that wouldn't be an option right yeah and then you hear people all the time like don't worry about what's on the bar like just get the work in it's and my answer was always what's easy for you to say because you've done this and so now that i you know i haven't accomplished much but like in for myself like a huge goal was to you know hit three plates and now that i have i can it's a lot easier for me to drop the weight because i'm like i've accomplished that i'm good now i understand what it takes to actually like work hard and get in like a really good workout as opposed to like no I'm just gonna I don't care what happens I just need to go for it

and so just yeah it's just uh getting more experience in general and you know yeah checking the ego out the door and just trying to get a good workout as opposed to trying to hit a number yeah I think that's the biggest thing today was really hard we were doing like 30 second deadlifts 40 second deadlifts so it's like uh kind of tempo you don't really see tempo deadlifts you see tempo squats and you see pause deadlifts here and there but we were doing tempo deadlifts and i was not i've done them before and i know how bad they are, but I forgot how awful they are. It was hard. And then we did the tempo deadlift, a box jump, and a sled drag. And I was like, holy shit.

I'm like, I don't remember this being this horrible. When you say 40 seconds, though, what do you mean? Did you do multiple reps and you did like eight seconds per rep or something? Right. Okay. I thought it was like 40 seconds on a rep like what 20 seconds up 20 seconds down yeah for this next commercial break you're gonna go up for one yeah i want to say like i used the weight at one point and this is when i was dead lifting around 700 pounds i think i

used like 315 and i think i did a set of 15 where it was like four up and four down it was i mean i i was smoked i couldn't keep my back position anymore and that's cardio for you yeah yeah well yeah it was crazy and my uh my lower back started getting all rounded over as if i was pulling like a max deadlift so i was like holy shit but it's something i wanted to bring in again because um i need to i feel like I need to get a little better positioning. I'd like to bring that deadlift back up again. And Chad Wesley Smith pointed out like the best way to get better at a position you're not good in is to spend more time there. Hang out in that position a little bit more.

So pause deadlifts are really effective. And I was mixing some of that in as well, trying to pull the weight, get a little hover just so the weight's barely hovering off the ground and then you know try to try to drive into it from there but yeah it felt good it was it was just hard and and we were going at it pretty good and we had a pretty good flow going and and andrew came in and he kind of wanted to jump in on it but i know he told me a few days ago he tweaked his back it's like no dude like just go warm up i felt bad like i'm like fuck i don't want to he's my homie you know i want him training with us but at the same time i'm like i just know he's gonna probably gonna kill himself over here so what you said it best at the end you're like i wouldn't be a good coach if i let you just hop right in yeah and so it was like uh it's definitely

learning experience because i fucking i was late it's almost like a parent yeah tell your kids these things and you're like so like you're kind of mad and sad all at the same time yeah you're mad at yourself for saying the shit that your parents said and you're sad because you're like oh i don't you know i want him to be able to play over here but i just know that he's gonna get hurt you know what i mean or whatever the situation is it was good i it needed to happen because you feel terrible for not making it on time but then i'm like well i don't want to you know be the guy in the corner like all left out so i'm like let me just see if i can sneak in here this picture's kind of funny though i just picture you in the corner sobbing and mark's just like at the deadlift bar just sad yeah yeah it was not good it was not good for anybody about me being late. It was kind of like that.

But I worked my ass off, and I think I made up for it. Do you warm up a lot for your workouts, or does it just depend on what you're doing? I mean, nowadays, I don't have to warm up that much before I head into, you know, I just do, like, banded warm-up for the shoulder. I think I've heard you mention that before, and you think that's because of some of your mobility work and stuff? Yeah, I'm so much mobile now that it doesn't take me a long time at all to get warm. And I can just like, yeah, I do some quick banded warm-ups, hop on the bar. I used to do a lot of like the Kelly Sturette banded, just did like a bunch of that stuff before. But I don't need to do that anymore. You dedicated a lot of time outside of that to mobility stuff. You move a lot better. You did, you've been doing jujitsu for a while too. So

that probably helped kind of open everything up and now you just get warm mainly with the movement, right? Yeah. Yeah. I just get, yeah, I just get warmth movement. That's, that's it. And what about for jujitsu? Um, jujitsu is like a class, right? And so you go through like, do you go through like progressions and stuff in jujitsu? Yeah, man, right? And so you go through like, do you go through like progressions and stuff in jujitsu? Yeah, man, there's, there's a warmup at jujitsu. There's, there is a warmup at jujitsu, but you don't like that. I, this is so bad. You don't like, you know, there's a student that always comes late to class. I'm that guy. Like, and it's, it's, I feel so bad saying this, but I'll always come in like 11 minutes after class starts.

And that's like once the instruction is starting. I just managed to miss the warm up, oddly enough. Right, right. Never on purpose. But yeah, like I usually warm up. I can picture you too, like proving a point and showing everybody like I don't need no warm up. No, no, I do. No, I really do.

But yeah, there is a general warm up we do during jujitsu. I just like i need it's a bad it's a bad purposeful habit no i understand i do it on purpose but i shouldn't do that anyway oh god i hope no one from that class is listening to this right now well everyone's like i knew that motherfucker was skipping on i'm sure settle gates watching the settlement no yeah he knows oh god he's probably there 20 minutes early doing the warm-up before the warm-up josh is disciplined cleaning up the mats before and after the class at daily at daily discipline yeah yeah why do you think you do that like um do you do that like because usually, when we have our podcasts and stuff, you're, I mean, I think, like, you were late, like, once. I think you just, like, forgot or something. We forgot to even communicate with you or something happened.

But you're not usually late for this ever. Yeah. So. Obviously, you want to get better at jiu-jitsu. Yeah. As far as the warm-ups go, I usually have a certain warm-up. The only reason I'm grilling you on this, by the way,

is because I'm pretty notoriously late for a lot of stuff. No. No. And being late for this warm-up isn't, again, it's purposeful. I hate saying that

and I hate admitting that, but it is purposeful just because I don't like some of the warm-ups. That's it, man. I've never seen this side of you before. I just don't like some of the warm-ups. That's it, man. I've never seen this side of you before. I just don't like some of the warm-ups. And I do my own warm-up usually. So usually beforehand, I may have been coming from the gym or something,

but I will have done already some stretches beforehand, like an hour or so before. And I'm already good. So I don't need to do that other warm-up. So then I'll just come in a little bit after. It would be one thing if you were just like, you know, when in cold or with like no knowledge of anything. I don't go in cold. But I have general things I do that warm me up that I know work really well.

So I'm just like, this stuff just, I don't, yeah. It's not good. Does anybody ever bug you about it? Anybody ever say anything to you? No, because there are other people that do the same thing. Oh, okay. It's actually, there's a meme about it, but it's a thing in the jujitsu community

that a lot of people do at a bunch of different schools. It's like that guy that comes in notoriously just right after warmups, and yeah, that's like a thing. notoriously just right after warm-ups end yeah that's that's that's like a thing when i was uh when i was a kid we used to have uh my parents are very religious and and we'd always have people drop in from church uh just randomly and they would go they they would just come over they're like oh it's kind of like in a neighborhood and uh and they'd go oh my god they're like oh i shouldn't intrude at this time. It's 5 o'clock.

I didn't know. And they knew my mom was always like cooking these big dinners and stuff. I don't want to intrude. It's like, oh, yeah, you just showed up just for dinner. Now you're going to eat. Yep. Showing up for the good stuff. Oh, God.

Yeah. You're a bad human being. I knew it. Hey, we got proof. We all have a few things that we do that aren't ideal. So that's one of them. Would there be any way to, like, I don't know, make the warm-ups better to where people don't? Yeah, what if Encima led the way?

No, let's not. No, Encima doesn't need to lead the way. Casio's warm-ups are perfect. No, they really are. Casio's warm-ups are actually literally great. I'm just above them. No. That's really not it, bro.

That's really not it. I'm just giving you a hard time. Oh, God. Anyway. What else went down in L.A.? Remember that podcast that we did? That was sick. At that coffee shop?

Yeah. Yeah. It was amazing how many people walked in on that, though. A lot of people were listening. There was like a bunch of fans. It's like 10 seats. There were like 10 or 11 people sitting there watching a few people outside. Cheering.

I've heard a couple people cheering, clapping. It's one thing to get work done in a coffee shop, but it's another thing to turn the entire coffee shop into your studio and have everyone in attendance. Turn it into like a seminar. Yeah, exactly. But we don't have proof of it. SEMA was supposed to help with the crank, and it never did.

Yeah. And it was a mobile crank. So that's what messed it all up. We still got to get that extra part, I guess. Who lost the data, though? The machine, I guess we can say. Computer error? Is it a.k.a. Andrew? Andrew is the machine i guess we can say yeah computer error is is it aka andrew andrew is the machine so i did everything i could to recover said files uh so anyways this like life-changing

podcast that if you hit the button that says rec if you hit it twice it shuts it back off again you know yeah the first time turns it on the second time shuts it off it is crazy though because you guys know how like russell brand is in la well i mean not us the the listeners so russell brand came into the coffee shop and he just recently got his blue belt so he started talking to us on the podcast because we had an extra set of headphones about his blue belt experience which is so dope but andrew and the crank again and me not being able to get the crank we like we missed all of that information if we had the crank going to where it produced its own power yeah and the coffee shop outlet didn't shut down on us that did happen a couple times yeah so i

have i have three files from that podcast there's one three minute clip where it's mark saying all right we're gonna shut this thing down and then two other clips post that it's funny that that one that one recorded two other clips that have absolutely no information on them oh wow i'm so upset the lost files damn it oh yes so we also went down to Los Angeles to collaborate with some other people. We got an opportunity to have Tom Bilyeu on our podcast. A lot of you guys are familiar with him. You've seen his YouTube. He's got over a million subscribers over there and he's pumping out some really great content. He's doing a nutrition slash health podcast that he's doing nowadays, along with his impact theory, which has really taken off and made some huge strides. Some of

you guys may also know him as one of the original co-founders of Quest. And just an extraordinary guy who's really just trying to put up a lot of points on the scoreboard every single day. put up a lot of points on the scoreboard every single day and uh we go into this uh giant mansion uh down in los angeles los angeles with this crazy insane view it's one of those homes where you just want to be like real quiet and you're not sure like how to act you're not sure what like what do i do with my shoes do i take all my clothes off? Do I leave them on? Like what goes on? Like how does this all work? You know, and this beautiful like staircase is a really beautiful, beautiful home. And then, you know, you walk in and the first thing you see is this giant studio, which was crazy because it's like that's his living room.

Yeah, it's built out. It's super dope. You know, sometimes when I watch those impact theory videos, I for some reason used to think that there was like a little bit of an audience there. But I guess that's just the way they set that up because like there's no one there but like you, the interviewer, and like some massive cameras. Yeah, I guess I thought there was a crowd there as well. Did they maybe put a crowd in there? Like they put crowd noise in there? I can't remember. I don't know.

I guess the beginning of it sounds like uh i know that like there's like the music now that i think about the beginning of the podcast maybe they have like a little bit of a crowd roar or cheer going on in the beginning but yeah no it was it was such a sick setup and he's a big fan of the matrix too so he had a bunch of pictures of different things from the matrix in his house yeah but i was just looking i was sending uh pictures and video to chris uh chris griffin so our head of media over here and i'm just like look at this place he's like where the heck are you and i'm like calculating like okay that's a ten thousand dollar camera and that's one of four it's like and that one over there's five and then these lights so i'm like dude i was in my head just like looking at it, it was 300,000. Sheesh.

Yeah. And that's just like rough estimate on what I could see. Yeah. And that's not even thinking about what else is like around there, you know? Yeah. But that's such a sick setup, the way everything was. It's just crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, you know, when I walk into a gym, I'll see like these, you know, like a Saiyan strength or something. You see Aliko plates and you start adding it up. You're like, man, like, yeah, just getting a couple of Aliko plates, probably not a big deal. Get some used, not a huge problem. But to have a set that, you know, to have a whole entire set or multiple sets. Yeah. I mean, you're really talking about laying out some crazy amounts of cash. I mean, 20K, you know, and dumbbells.

Dumbbells are crazy expensive. Even just a regular set of dumbbells. I mean, you want to get up to 150s or so, you're talking about for a nice set of dumbbells, 30, 40 grand. And then some of the ones they have there, they're like a LECO and they have Watson. LECO dumbbells? Yeah. They have Alico dumbbells.

They got Watson dumbbells. And they're super accurate with how much they weigh. The handles rotate and all this other crazy stuff. And yeah, it's just massively expensive. And that's what it was like being at Tom's place where you're like, I don't have any idea how much this fucking mansion costs, but it's pretty damn nice. Tom's place where you're like, I don't have any idea how much this fucking mansion costs, but it's pretty damn nice. Was there any, like, even though like you, you are where you are right now, was there any type of inspiration that you gained from any of that?

Or is this just all stuff you've seen and you just, you already, that's, you know that world? Yeah. No, it's cool. It's, it's, it's, it's always great. It's always inspirational and motivational to see different perspectives and see where love to communicate with him more. Like I don't see he and I being like buddies because we seem so vastly different from each other,

but I love what he's doing with, with his, I love what he's doing with the recognition that he's built up. And I think it's, uh, it's awesome. I mean, he's,

he's helping inner city kids. He's, uh, putting so much time, money, and effort into that podcast. And, of course, it's for reward to himself, but so many people are, I mean, impact theory. So many people are impacted by what he's doing. And I haven't really come across a lot of people that don't know who he is, and he's doing a good job of crossing over from the fitness world you know, the fitness world into the average person.

And that's what we talk about here all the time. We can talk all day about how to get people healthy and how to get them strong. And it's, it doesn't really work great because we're talking to the same set of people all the time, the same people that follow you. A lot of the same people are following me. A lot of the same people are following Andrew. A lot of the same people are following me. A lot of the same people are following Andrew. A lot of the same people are following the show, you know? And so somebody like him, it's like, shit, man, I hope he, I, I, you know, the million followers, I hope that turns into 20 million. Cause I hope that he is the breakout guy or I hope someone does it, you know, maybe it's me, maybe it's somebody else.

I don't care who it is. As long as it's somebody, what I see going on right now with the History Channel Strongman show, it's like, you know, I have Robert Oberst, I have his number, and so I haven't communicated with Robert in years. It's been a long time since we talked, but I just congratulated him. I said, dude, that's, and you're on Rogan, like, that is so cool, and that's so great for the strength community. And I think a lot of people have a tendency to look at what this guy's got or what this guy's doing, and it's like, no, no, that's the wrong – you're going about it the wrong way. That's for all of us.

You know, the getting's good for all of us. If Steph Cohen and Hayden Bowe are killing it with their online programming, then that means that opens up avenues for a lot of the rest of us to do really well if we want to pursue something like that. So that's kind of the inspiration I get from that. I see him driving towards these things and I'm like, man, that's really opening up the doors for a lot of the rest of us to push forward and stuff too. Yeah. first off, I don't know if I've been in a house that big before. So that was, that was crazy. Um, and the amount of people that we met that weekend in terms of, and I'm going to talk about the monetary value, like in terms of just their,

all of their net worths, I was just kind of boggled cause it was just crazy to me. Um, so that, that just, just seeing that was cool. But Tom, there's this book that he always talked about. It's called Mindset. And even in the podcast, both of them, he was talking and he talks about mindset so much. But it's a book by Carol Dweck. And I man, I went through it literally like right after right after I heard it mentioned. And it talks about like a fixed mindset versus a growth mindset. And you've probably heard about stuff like that, but he's always want to mention that everything comes down to an individual like believing that they can do something like no one's inherently talented.

Everybody can gain, gain knowledge or whatever, just practicing and putting work into that. What was the post that you mentioned actually that he that he posted that, like, given enough time, you can catch up to anybody? Even if that's not totally true, that's that same type of deal. Like, you see someone like Elon Musk, you know, and you, in the back of your head,

you're like, I want to do that. But if you're fixed about it, you're like, okay, no, there's no way. But if you believe that you can just, like, work and work and work, maybe you might not catch up to Elon Musk, but you'll get really freaking far. So that book, in and of of itself was really damn powerful i think eddie like everyone just listened to it or read it but but it was um yeah it's a pretty impactful book it doesn't um

doesn't really serve you very well to succumb to the fact that you're probably not going to make it when it comes to when it comes to like reaching this status right the only time that it's beneficial is when you're really that in the in the case where you may actually really get hurt from it like let's say um let's say you have an idea and you have a concept you want to create a business around this, uh, invention or, or product or whatever it is. And you're about to shell out your life savings. Like that's the,

you know, it's never great to have self doubt, but that's why self doubt exists is it does protect you. Maybe your idea is not as good as you, as you thought, but maybe there's a way you can go about doing it slightly differently. That makes more sense for the current position that you're in. Yeah. You know, those, those types of things,

but it doesn't really serve you very well if you're super smart and you're like, I want to be known as like the next Albert Einstein. It doesn't do you a lot of good to think that you're not going to be seen in that same light. So you may as well just roll with it maybe you know you hear people say like fake it till you make it and there's a lot of different shit that goes into that it's like you can't fake it till you make it unless you're something because you can't cheer for yourself unless you have some character unless you have some balls unless you have something to really cheer for so you you can't get up on a, on a chair and fucking shout that, that you're great and you're the best

and you're going to, you know, do all like these affirmations, like those things, they'll only work if you know that you're already putting in work. So if I'm working and I'm, I'm, uh, training really hard and, and I'm going to, you know, close my eyes and say, I'm going to be 6% body fat and think these things. And I'm going to look like this if I envision all these things that I want to do. They'll only really happen if you are already putting in some of the action. And if you have shown yourself in the past that you can do things to improve your body fat percentage then your whole body's like yep we're on board with this because we've seen you do it before dude and you you've got to eight percent last time you'll probably get to six and it'll make it that much

easier to get to those uh get to those steps but man i love being around people like that it was it was um and and the questions i mean he was fucking killing me with questions cause he was, everyone's conflicted. Everyone's a walking contradiction. And the questions, the way he was stacking them up, uh, were, it was interesting way that he was doing it. Um, but it was cool how he wouldn't let me off the hook. You know, he was like, he was like, no, you just said this, you know, no, you just said that kind of, and I was like, oh shit. Okay. You know? And, and, uh, it was, it was fun. It was fun to practice. That was fun to that environment made me extremely nervous. You know, I'm not, I am used to a lot of different things, but, um, not that, you know, and like, if I was on like Dr. Oz or some shit, I'd freak the fuck out

because I just, I have experience in front of a camera, but I don't have that. I've never done that, you know? And I don't know Tom. So it was different. It's, I wanted to be in that situation. I've, I've wanted to be on his podcast for a while. I wanted to sit down with him and I wanted to be uncomfortable. I wanted it to be that way. You know, it was cool. Yeah. Especially with the, uh, the question about, um, or you were explaining it to him about like, uh, knowing who you are is knowing who you're not. He's like, well, what do you mean?

You're like, you know, you went into it and he's like, okay, but like, what are you talking like? It was just like, oh man, like he explained it. Let him go. Yeah. No, he, but, but like the thing is the cool thing about that is first off he was so forward with the grilling but the grilling ended up bringing out more about what you were saying and it helped it to be even better understood at what you were

getting at so it wasn't grilling just to grill right he there was no there was never no like ill intention but he was probably like himself trying to understand it a little bit better because he maybe didn't even get it all you know yeah that's what smart people do man they don't let shit go they keep asking you tons and tons of questions probably one of the most inquisitive people i ever met was jay cutler he asked you so many questions you're like dude yeah you know but it's of no uh you know i don't i don't think it happened by accident that the guy's super successful ron penna who he also got had a chance to hang out with for a lot for a while i mean he asked questions that he even knows answers to you know he's gonna you can sit there and uh grill you

but in this uh this post i think it's the same post i'll try to uh get a link for you and see my hopefully i won't forget um he talked about, Tom, Bill, you talked about, you hear so many people talking about gratitude and happiness and things. So he said that in his opinion, he thinks about 80% of your life should be lived there. Most of your, the majority of your life should be lived in this. I'm thankful for this food. I'm thankful for my wife. I'm thankful for the fact that I live in the United States. I'm thankful for a free, thankful for all these.

It's a lot of things to be thankful for, right? You can go over this giant list of things, right? And yeah, that, that does feel really, I'm thankful that I have the job that I have. I'm thankful for all that. I have my health, right? that I have the job that I have. I'm thankful for all that I have my health. Right. But he said 20% should be lived in. And, and as he put it, 20% should be lived in aggression where you're like, fuck you motherfuckers. I'm going to beat all your asses to death until you die from it.

You know, and, and I agree, I agree. And so that's the contradiction and the conflict that he was catching from me because you know on on one hand i might have said you know part of knowing who you are is knowing who you're not i know that i'm not this guy and i'm not that guy and i'm not that guy but i can still be great in this way and then he you know he was kind of following it up with follow-up questions uh that were kind of contradicting some of that and so it it was it was an interesting uh like exercise to go through that and i'd love to do it again i'd love to get on a show again sometime and and uh just communicate with him more i reached out to him and to his wife afterwards because he talked about how obsessed his wife is with working out and i said hey you guys got to him and to his wife afterwards because he talked about how obsessed his wife is

with working out and I said hey you guys got to come up to super training get some training and she's like I'd love that and Tom wrote he's like I'd hate that and so uh you know we'll hopefully we'll get them here to uh super training but I really love the practice of of getting grilled like that with those questions yeah it made me also like really think about like for longer than i ever have about like that that quote because i like i kind of like i understood it but then after him grilling you about it it really made me think about it like that whole weekend and you know it makes sense in my head now it's something that can really give you a lot of peace you know it really can it can if if you're because i peace. You know, it really can. It can, if you're, because, I mean, first of all,

you shouldn't really try to be like anybody else, but how that is, that's impossible. It's impossible not to do it. I mean, think about when you were seven and you hung out with a kid that was nine. All you wanted to do is be like that kid, right? That's all you wanted to do. You saw the kid swing a bat or throw a ball.

You're like, oh, you're like, I want to figure that shit out, too. You know, he's chewing gum and like popping bubbles or doing whatever the hell he's doing. He's doing tricks on his bike. Remember your bike? Oh, man. You know, popping a wheelie or jumping, you know, jumping over something. And you're like, man, I can still remember some of these kids names in my head. That's how impactful it was.

It's like, that's all you want to do is be like that dude for 10 seconds. Or if somebody knew how to skateboard really well. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. How the hell do you figure that out? Yeah.

Yeah. But that's the thing. Like you, you, you can always figure out different aspects of it. Like an individual you admire to try and like, maybe not like, yeah,

you could even say emulate, like just an aspect of them that you're like i really like that about this person i can probably do that let me take that you know because i i can't be the rock right but i can be as maybe i can be as jacked as a rock yeah right well and there's there's things that you can take from people i agree 100 so you know the all the different things that go into making up the rock it's like who the fuck even knows what that even means yeah because we don't know all the, all the different things that go into making up the rock, it's like, who the fuck even knows what that even means? Yeah.

Because we don't know all the behind the scenes, how much stuff he really does in a day. You know, it's gotta be insane. Right. However, what do we see the rock do on Instagram more than anything else? We see him smile all the time. Right. And he's a good looking guy. So it's like, could we all smile a little bit more?

Sure. Uh, could you work on, you know, this is like hilarious, So it's like, could we all smile a little bit more? Sure. Uh, could you work on, you know, this is like hilarious, but it's like, do people work on the way that they greet people? Like probably not. But like, what if you worked on your handshake? What if you really looked somebody in the eye and took a second? Like I have friends that when they give me a handshake, they always put their arm on me too. Like they're,'re i'm sorry they put their hand on my arm and they shake my hand and they look me in the eye and there's just there's a lot of things you could you could take from somebody else like um bruce cardenas who works for quest nutrition and i've mentioned this many times before it's like you want to be a guy like bruce

when i see bruce come and i get all happy I get excited because he's fun. He's funny. There's very rare occasion that he's not smiling. I mean, he's always happy. So when I see him, it triggers me to be happy too. And I get excited and it's like, there are a lot of things that you can steal from other people that are, you know, maybe, maybe like I know a couple of people that are super complimentary. Every time you see them, they always say something about your shirt or your hat or your, I mean, you can go overboard with it. Right. But like, who's ever going to be bummed out that they got a compliment, you know? Yeah. No one's going to be like, fuck you. Hey, nice power shirt. Fuck you. Right. I mean, no one's no one's gonna be that those gonna be that uh angry about it right although chris bell gets pretty grumpy sometimes we're talking that's

because he's short yeah we were like dude your traps are looking sick yeah but they're they're uneven it's like oh my gosh come on man he has beautiful calves also he does gigantic those are He does. They're gigantic. Those are cows. Cows? Yeah, those calves are cows. Giant. Oh, man. He's sliced up. Yeah, he's looking good. You know, I think some compliments that you give people sometimes, people don't know how to take a compliment sometimes,

and there's another area you can work on. I used to be like that every time. I would deflect a compliment. I was like, why don't you just fucking take it maybe like maybe there's gonna be a day where no compliments come my way so i should just take all these ones and i should just say thank you yeah like now people come up they're like you changed my life the podcast the gym or whatever the hell it is they're talking about and i just sit there i just listen and listen and listen and i'm like thank you i really I appreciate it.

I try to actually really listen to what they're saying and, you know, have a follow-up questions, you know, to say, no, I'm fucking paying attention that I actually care. But it's just, it's those, it's those kind of, it's those little things in life that you can probably take from other people that – and it doesn't even have to be a celebrity. It doesn't have to be someone famous. It could be something like my – like something I really admire about my dad. My dad does not care how long something is going to take. He really doesn't. So if he's going to spend time with my – now, if I'm with my kids, I be like okay we're gonna go out to eat we're gonna but i need to get back to bed because i'm gonna wake up at three o'clock my dad he's a grandfather

he's retired he does still does income taxes and stuff but he doesn't have a lot of like uh other obligations so he don't care he doesn't care how long something's gonna take so he could be there like building something with the kids and he'll never get like frustrated or whatever when i was younger he was the more the way i am now but it's like man that's that's a great trait just to be super patient and just to kind of just sit there and let shit take time that's that actually is very difficult like being patient isn't necessarily difficult but being patient like that just not caring how long something's going to take. That is a, that takes work.

I hate being stuck anywhere. It's the worst. No, but I do know a few people like that and they always do surprise me, you know, especially when like they didn't have a plan to do something, but they just sit and just like help you with something for hours on end. It's just a,

yeah. Wow. There's certain, yeah. Wow. There's certain things that I just recognize to be important too. And I will kind of reflect and think about my dad and think, okay, I know that he would understand how important this is, so maybe I should try to figure out a way to understand how important it is. And that might just be sitting here and talking with an employee for an hour, you know, about nothing. Like not eat, not work, not nothing.

Talking to them about their grandma or whatever. And how important is that? That's everything for that moment. That's what that person is talking about. That's what's on their mind. They're important to me. They're important to the company. That's what's important for the moment. And it's hard. It's hard not to be like,

oh man, like I got to make an Instagram post or, oh man, I got to be over here. I got to go. You're like kind of thinking, oh shit, I got to go shop and I don't have any more steak at the house. You know, and you get kind of, you start wandering, right? And then you're thinking about me, me, me, me, me, me, me me me me me me and you're not thinking about anybody else and that happens too much you know yeah no like my mom's like that in a certain way like she one one thing that she's just it's crazy it's like if somebody needs help with something she'll just immediately try and help them with it whether she gets a call or a text from somebody like she will immediately just try to help them with it no matter what she's doing she'll drop everything and at a dime and just do it she's got a good focus huh yeah yeah so it's just like and it's shocking

because she does have a crazy amount on her plate but she could still manage to do that for people in her life so that's another thing yeah i noticed with uh tom bill you as well is that like um he was very much like on time with everything. He was very precise with the kind of amount of time when he and I podcasted together, he just let that take whatever amount of time it needed to take. And then when we podcasted with him, he,

he, he never seemed short with us, you know? And I, I cut, I cut the podcast at a certain time because i his responses to some of the stuff that we asked him were pretty lengthy yeah and so i was like there's another time to to do another podcast with him but i don't want to take up any more

of his time it actually ended up being perfect because i was like right around the time that he had to he had to go but i did that entire time i never felt like he was uh anxious to go but I did that entire time I never felt like he was anxious to go do something else I thought I felt that he was spending time with us which is really cool because I know that he has a lot of people come through the doors I know he's got a lot of guests on the show and he was very professional and the time that he had with us was with us yeah I thought that was cool it was yeah he was never looking over his shoulder or checking his clock. He was 100% locked in to everything we had to say. Yeah.

Which was, yeah. And that's something about him, too. That's why he's able to ask such good questions, too, especially with your podcast, because he's always really listening to what's being said in front of him. I feel like maybe he's thinking about other things, but you don't get the idea that he's thinking of something else when he's talking to you. You feel like he's talking and he's listening to you. What about our boy Ron Penna? I was just going to say, for me, that was the best part of the whole trip. I normally can't wait to fly back home.

And I remember looking at the clock thinking, like, oh, man, we're almost out of time here. And the whole quest building, like, how crazy was that? Yeah. Oh, God. Ron is super funny. here and that the whole uh the quest building like how crazy was that yeah just god ron is ron is super funny and he's uh man he's crazy in the best way possible he's crazy in like the the best way possible he reminds me of like oh god you've seen american psycho it's been a hot minute if he's a good if he was a good guy if the guy in american psycho was a good guy and he was like an awesome guy that's what

reminds me of a little bit he's got all kinds of crazy shit figured out yeah he's just like he's he's awesome yeah i mean we went to uh like i guess the quest headquarters yeah which uh we'll be doing some future podcasts out of now, because he mentioned we can utilize that whenever we want, which I thought was really cool. Yeah. But he had an equation behind him on his board, and we're like, what is that? Don't take a picture of it.

Yeah, he's like, yeah, you can't take a picture of it. It's like there's something. He's like, that's cancer. And we're like, oh. But that's his quest. That's his mission is he wants to figure out a way to eradicate cancer. And he devoted a lot of money and research. And not just him, he had some other partners in it as well.

But he had a keto pet sanctuary where they studied dogs on a ketogenic diet for, I can't remember how long, but they did a lot, a lot of research and a lot of the dogs went into remission for cancer, but it was also certain types of cancer and they didn't save every dog. They, they lost a few and that's where his focus was. I was like, Hey, it was like, you want to talk about that on the podcast? And he's like, no. And I was like, why not? He's like, cause a few dogs died. And I was like, oh, okay. He's like no and i was like why not he's like because a few dogs died and i was like oh okay he's like i think until we have it more figured out he's like then then it would be great to talk about but he's like for now he's like we're not anywhere yeah i mean they did show that or at least they felt that uh carbohydrates were uh negatively impacting the types of cancer that these dogs had.

And with a dog, you can just feed them. They get fed by a human, so you can feed them whatever you want. It's not like a human where we have all these choices of going to the grocery store and eat whatever we want, so it's not as complicated. But they gave them these foods, and the dogs were able to thrive. The dogs were able to thrive. The dogs were able to get stronger and feel better and not have cancer anymore. So it was pretty wild.

Cancer is like a metabolic disease is what some people refer to it as, meaning you can alter it with your nutrition just like you could with type 2 diabetes. And the other person in the room whose name I can't remember but was another only in L.A. encounter, he asked him, he's like, did you lose somebody to cancer? Like, why are you so passionate? And he's like, half of the people in this building are going to die from cancer. And he's like, you have twins, right? And he's like, yeah. Like, one of them is going to die from cancer.

And the room just got silent and really awkward. And he's like, that's why I'm going to cure cancer. Oh, my gosh. Like, talk about a mission right like that was intense very straightforward yeah ron's uh just really interesting to talk to the way he kind of just i call it holding court like everyone's like listening to him it's almost like a mini seminar every time you talk to that guy really is and um i mean we talked about all kinds of stuff we talked about cancer we talked about amino acids we talked about lifting we talked about stretching we talked about uh improving in sema's uh mobility by blowing his brains out remember that yeah if i walked up

behind you right now with a gun and just blew your brains out he goes you'd be extremely fucking flexible this is why this he's like we'd be able to take your leg and do whatever the fuck we want to it so his point was and it's a good point is that your uh your your mind your mind is the limiting factor in in the way that you're able to move because your body's like you have pain receptors and different things like that and once your brain's kind of cut off to that, he just has such drastic. But that's how crazy this conversation was. I totally forgot about that. Yeah.

Because that was when he was talking about doing the splits, right? I was like, yeah. I just was like looking at his team and I was like, that's a little drastic. We don't need to kill him, do we? Maybe knock him out and try it that way first. How about how mad he got when we couldn't answer one of his questions? Oh yeah.

He got super shut the fuck up. I can't believe you guys. Right. Yeah. He sat back and Ron is, I'm not going to say anything else until you guys answer this question. And if we haven't said already, Ron is one of the original,

uh, uh, co-founders of quest nutrition as well. Yeah. Uh, along with Tom, Billy tom bill you and along with another person or two in there but um we've had ron on the podcast so if you want to listen to that podcast go you know search for it check it out it's ron penna and um he's just he's just a

lot of fun to be around but yeah he's crazy like he he's like these guys said he said you know i'm not i'm not gonna talk any further until you answer my question. He just sat there with his arms folded. He's like, this is ridiculous. You guys don't know this. And I think he was saying, like, what's the most abundant amino acid in your muscles or something like that, right? It was like the leucine or whatever. Yeah, they just kept yelling it.

What's the most abundant? What is it? What is it? You have to. You guys call yourself athletes. You don't know this answer. Oh, my gosh. He gave us this giant lecture on sleep yes he was going nuts about sleep and he's like pointed around the room and he got really mad at josh too remember he got super mad at josh because josh doesn't uh know about the mouth tape or whatever yeah and he was like uh he's like do you pick up

dirty needles from the side of the road and stick them in your arm josh's eyes just got wide and he's like no and he's like well then why the fuck do you not sleep with your mouth tape shut he's like you need to sleep with your mouth tape shut oh god no but the cool thing about like ron like even he he was another one that said he's like because i think i asked him like how do you do so much when you're like so busy it's like i'm not busy but i like to because I think I asked him, like, how do you do so much when you're like so busy? It's like, I'm not busy, but I like to read. I like to read a lot. Like he just likes to learn shit.

That's why everything we were talking about. I love how he shrugged that off so quickly. He was like, I ain't busy. Yeah. He's like, how dare you? How dare you ask me that question? Right. So, yeah, it's just another one of those people that just like loves to continuously learn about things, though he's ridiculous he's successful he's not stopping he's just on to new things on to learning and doing new things we figured out that another key factor that he shared with us too you just have to get wealthy

that's the key yeah yep because he mentioned that he was like oh yeah well he's like shit yeah you just have to get you have to get wealthy yeah he's like you want to be able to sleep you got to get wealthy you got to hire more people staff you got to have staff you got to get wealthy yeah he's like you want to be able to sleep you got to get wealthy you got to hire you got to hire staff you got to have staff you got to have people help you and he was even mentioning uh to our friend he was even mentioning having uh people help with his kids he's like get those kids the hell out of your bedroom you know have a nanny or something he's like you need to hire a security guard that stays right outside of your door that stops the kids from running in and be like what do you need what's the emergency he's like and then you need another door inside that door that barricade you in so that way if there really is an emergency they'll get to you until then like there's no emergency

he has some he must have some soundproof room or something yeah do you think it's a it's a mindset thing for him to be like no i'm not busy but in actuality he's sleeping eight hours and working the other 20 um i think that he loves a lot of the stuff that he does and um i think lifting yeah yeah oh he hated a lot of stuff too which was interesting but he hated some stuff less than other things like he hated this was amazing he hated feeling tired more than he hates to sleep yes so he hates sleeping but he hates the feeling of feeling tired midday so he will get his sleep and he hates eating healthy but he hates being fat worse he hates uh he hates everything he hates working out he hates working out. He hates working out. But he hates being out of shape worse.

He'd rather have the muscle mass. He'd rather have the longevity of it. I asked him, I was like, is it possible to get jacked? I almost said jacked off. Is it possible to get in great shape by just eating Quest pizza? And he kind of shrugged it off like, I mean, you technically could. Well, that's what we did that day. We had so much pizza there. That was good pizza. Did pizza did we go through what like eight of those things or something seriously

yeah i think we went through like that's when you that's when you know you made it we made it on this goddamn podcast yeah let's just put it out there the owner of quest the one of the original founders of quest was making us quest pizza and serving it up to us yeah he actually was it was hilarious too and it's like uh does like no one else know who he is or something because why didn't like another employee come over and be like hey i'll get that for you maybe that's just what ron does like even if i was gonna try to get a slingshot for somebody and like go walk into the warehouse or something one of you guys would probably stop me and be like no i'll go get it yeah no one no one cared no one stopped him he was just kept cooking up those pizzas but it just seems like he treats everybody he treats everybody

well i'm pretty sure he treats his employees really well too like he doesn't give anybody special treatments as as it seems you know it was funny when we walked in and he was like on the phone i was like what are you doing like are you, why are you pretending like work here? He's like, well, I do come in about once a week. I was like, oh, okay. But I think, you know, he's, he's got, obviously he's gotten over the hump. Right. And so maybe things are a little bit more on cruise now.

And he, I think he just picks and chooses doing what he wants to do. And, you know know i've always wondered like why the hell is he's always he's always had all these trade shows but then he also doesn't he's not a guy who's gonna he's not the face of the company he's not a guy who like wants recognition in that way so i've always been confused like why the fuck is here but he's just he's interested in, he loves watching the company grow. And he just genuinely likes conversation with the customers, the people that are buying Quest bars and buying the Quest pizza. And the Quest pizza was amazing, by the way.

Yes, it was. I knew you'd definitely buy some of that. Spinach. Yeah. The spinach one was actually the best. I normally don't like that pizza Or that style And it was Man

It was white Yeah White pizza right Yeah no red sauce on there No marinara No That was the best pizza But that was legit

The pepperoni was good Pepperoni's still the best in my opinion What was it Spinach pepperoni cheese What else was there Man Combo The combo was good too

I like combo more than pepperoni Pepperoni's still the best Just buy some Quest pizzas people Was it just cause Was it cause we were hungry no no those are good those are they uh have them at target right yeah every saying every time i would go to the one in elk grove i'd buy all of them because they would every they either have them in stock or they're completely out and i would buy like six to ten at a time yeah those pizzas are really no really no joke, people. They're really good pizzas. Bruce is supposed to be sending me some of those pizzas.

Come on, Bruce. Where are you at, man? He's on Instagram right now somewhere. I think so. He's probably slanging out some of those Quest bars. He always has a box of those with him everywhere he goes.

Oh, God. I have your box. oh quest bars do you remember yeah yeah you oh that's right yeah yeah yeah we we brought a box and i think i have it at home yeah oh i forgot to bring it in that's okay well yeah they had all the the chips they had all of the bars like even the ones i've never seen that they even had they were all just right there. Yeah, get whatever you guys want. Yeah, they have those Hero Bars. That's the first time I ever had that.

Yeah. The Hero Bar is unique, man. That thing's good. Yeah. I'm kind of weird. I think I like all protein. I don't think I've ever met a protein bar that I don't like. I have.

Except for years ago. I was going to say Power Bars back in the day. They were pretty foul, but for then, they were good. For then, they were okay. That's true. Yeah. They're back in the day. They were pretty foul, but for then they were good. For then they were okay. That's true. Yeah. They're coming a long way. I think, you know, we're probably far off of this, but there's going to be things that you eat.

Not, not only that are not bad for you, but they'll create stuff that's actually good for you. That actually is amazing. It actually tastes, you know, like the quest pizza and stuff like that. It's not like it's, uh, it's not as healthy as like eating some chicken and rice. Right. But it's another option because it's not going to have,

it doesn't have tons and tons of carbohydrates and stuff like that in there. But the question is, is do you even want it to taste that good? Because if it does, then like how much of it are you going to eat? I know we were going to end up in the same problem. I'm going to end up back in the same spot, technically, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I told Ron. I was like, I would eat two whole pizzas in one sitting. And his eyes just lit up. He's like, you probably shouldn't be doing that much. I was like, but it's so good. He's like, you just said I could eat whatever. And he's like, that's not what I meant. Oh, my bad.

It's too good. To me, they taste like, do you ever get Red Baron frozen pizza? That's been a lot. Yeah, I know. To me, they taste like, do you ever get, oh, Red Baron frozen pizza. That's been a lot. Yeah, I know. That's what they taste like to me. What's great sitting with someone like Ron is Quest Nutrition. It's so weird the way that the company was, and I think it's just because Ron is obsessed with trying to get an answer on what's the best nutrition, what's the best like, what's the best nutrition?

What's the best diet? What's the best way to go about doing things? And so he had this kind of dream team of doctors and, and nutritionists and people that come around that knew all the leading research and science on nutrition and this diet and that diet. And so they, I mean, they ended up kind of falling onto the keto diet. It wasn't, they weren't trying to, they weren't trying to research keto. They were trying to research, you know, what was optimal, what was going to be the best.

And it wasn't really optimal necessarily for performance. It was optimal in terms of like longevity. Yeah. And it just kind of kept coming back and coming back and coming back every single time. It was just like, look, man, people eat too many fucking carbs. And so it just kind of kept coming back to this style of diet and that's the quest bar is kind of born out of that in the sense that it's uh more fibrous than it is carbohydrate driven and so therefore it doesn't spike your insulin levels up and you can get away with having a quest bar or two on a, even on a ketogenic diet. And so it's awesome though to,

to be around the guy that can explain everything to you kind of in the simple terms, since he's extracted, you know, this from this doctor and this from this doctor over here. And you can ask him all kinds of different questions. I mean, he was hammering us about like sleep and recovery and,

and all that different stuff. And remember, uh, when he was going around the room, he was like, he was going around the room and he was like asking people questions to something that was already brought up previously. So he's like, quick. He's like, what's his daughter's two names? I got so nervous.

Yeah. And then again, I think he picked on josh he's like that was me he picked on me i got i got it wrong it's like you're underslept aren't you yeah he just looked at you or he looked at all of us and he's like you're underslept yeah you a little bit he's and he pointed at me he's like the first time i met you you were really underslept or you know sleep deprived it's like a little bit better now which is true it's very very much true he asked me the name of the the daughter my friends twins your friends twins and i got one of them he's like oh no that that like i think i said a name that was wrong he's like nope that's wrong and it's again

i was underslept and i think josh might have remembered one of the names or something right i remembered i think i got both i don't know what they are now but i wasn't i was unsure of one of them so i said it quietly. And then he's like, I heard somebody else say it. Did you get that answer from someone? And you're like, no, no, no, no, I didn't. And then he was like, I forgot what the reference was, but he was like, what are you, someone from Austin, Texas?

Because that's where Josh is from. He just kept grilling him pretty bad. It was pretty good. He was getting killed. Josh was getting shelled. He couldn't do anything. It was pretty good. He was getting killed. Josh was getting shelled. He couldn't do anything. He was defenseless. Just an amazing individual to talk to for that long.

I think we talked for like, what, two and a half, three hours? And he was just, I mean, he was working before, and he just sat there and just talked to us. Fucking drove me to the airport. Yeah. Seriously, man. Such an awesome guy and i i did go back and listen to that podcast episode when he came back it is great so for

anyone who hasn't listened to it go to that ron pena episode you'll enjoy it a lot i don't wear my sunglasses anymore after talking to him i don't wear my sunglasses at all anymore sunglasses weakening your eyes yeah yeah and then he talked about holding stuff that you're reading like at a certain distance right to try to challenge your eyes a little bit yeah yeah but yeah he he fucking referenced all kinds of crazy stuff smart dude very very i don't know i don't know i don't know what we're gonna do we need to have him on the podcast again that's for sure yeah. Yeah. That would be really good. I think it will be. But yeah, the L.A. trip in general was a lot of fun.

We also got to run into Dan Fleischman, who we'll have on the podcast at some point. You guys will learn a lot more about him. Just a different type of dude, man. He's, from what I've read on the internet, he's the youngest guy to ever have a publicly traded company company and he's made money in a bunch of weird and crazy different ways. And I'm looking forward to having him here on the podcast because I think there's a lot of cool stuff we can get into. I think he's done like poker and just he's done all kinds of different stuff. And the business that he has now is like he has this like affiliate farm type of program, and he helps companies. But his company can help out all kinds of different companies.

So it's pretty neat what he's gotten into. I think it's pretty cool. It would be good to talk more to him about all that kind of stuff. Well, yeah, we ran into some really, really cool peeps. We got to rub elbows with some people that are just fucking killing it on yeah on a really high level and just uh you know one guy was like wealthier than the next and we're like whoa what the hell's going on what the hell's going on here you know but you know it's not and then like you know having um being able to hang out with o'hearn go to his house and uh spend time with Mona and his girlfriend, wife, don't know, baby mama,

and to spend time in his house and spend time and see his garage gym that he's setting up. And then to get on his podcast was a lot of fun. And then we also got to see Titan, the baby. Got to see mini-me, mini O'Hearn. That's a cute kid. Yeah, that kid's on a lot of duck eggs, man. That kid's getting jacked, but that was awesome. Just a fucking awesome trip.

Any take-homes from that trip, Andrew? Not to put anyone down, but seeing people at Tom Bilyeu's place, seeing how much equipment that they're using even at Michael Hearns set up you know with his podcast I see what we have and there's no reason why we shouldn't be you know over a million subscribers you know like everything right we have all the tools so I got extremely motivated when I seen all that like all the you know again like all the access that they have.

It's like, oh, oh, oh, we're right here too. Like we're hanging out with all the same people. Yeah. So that shit got me really fired up. And then just seeing how the way they handled at Tom's Place, how they handled the podcast guests coming in. You know, like there was a whole like a camera set up for us to take pictures of Mark. You know, it was a Fuji Instax camera. So like, you know, like think of instant Polaroids.

That's what it was. And, you know, you see a wall with like all the guests that have been there. And it's like, oh, shit, like now, you know, boom, there's Mark. Okay. So like we've, you know, it's Mark, but it's like we put our stamp, you know, here. Like we kind of tagged, you know, here, like we, we kind of tagged, you know, wall and, uh, you know, just seeing like that whole experience. And then again, like we do some similar things here with like our TV, how we have our guests,

you know, their name and a picture of them. They had that for Mark. Um, yeah, it, it really, like I got super fired up. And then of course talking with Ron Penna, it's just like, my brain's exploding with like all kinds of information and then just having uh the podcast crew i know the coffee shop podcast went to shit but uh just having fun with you guys it like dude we have a super strong team now and just like the motivation from a trip like that cannot be replicated in any book, any seminar, any YouTube video or anything. Yep.

So I'm just like super grateful for the whole opportunity. But the biggest takeaway is, yeah, dude's fired up big time. That's great. Yeah. The ninth anniversary of the slingshot is coming up July 27th. That's July 27, 2010 is when Andy and I launched the slingshot out into the universe. I had the idea for about maybe two or three years. You've guys heard the story many, many times. I won't repeat the whole thing, but I got told many, many times it's not a good idea.

I started to kind of buy into that. And eventually I just thought it was a good idea for so long. I held onto it for so long that I was like, fuck it. I need to make it. I figured out a way to make it. And, uh, you know, I made it with Andy, you know, we, we created the product, we created this brand, uh, together and, you know, I had to kind of soul search and i had to ask myself how the hell i was going to be able to make this product and um because she couldn't really help me with the concept that was in my brain uh i can't you can't really show somebody your vision you're gonna have to maybe like draw it out for them or show them something that represents the closest thing you can think of to it and say, this is what I want to do. And, um, it, that took me a lot because I was like, well,

my dad can't help me with this. My brother can't help me out with this. I'm like, I need to just, and I got super frustrated with myself and finally just said, okay, you have a basic concept of what it needs to be. Now, what kind of resources do you have? Who do you know that can actually make this product? I didn't know a manufacturer or anything, but I'm like, all I really need to know is someone that can sew this thing together. And so then I went to Andy. I told her. She said, my friend Marilyn sews swimsuits for our swim team and she knows how to sew I met

Marilyn at Starbucks went over the plans and met her there again the following week and bam there was a slingshot I went I tried it on and I walked into a fitness 19 that was just a few hundred feet away from where we met at Starbucks I said I, I said, Hey, Marilyn, just wait right here. I gotta go try this thing on. So I went and tried it out, moved around one 35 for a few reps, moved around two 25 for a few reps, got up off the bench, just head to toe goosebumps. Cause I was like, fuck, this thing's awesome. I think this is, this is what I was trying to make. This is what I was trying to create. And I went back to Marilyn and said, Hey, can you make a few more of these suckers? Because I need to try these out in my gym and make sure nobody dies. And I need to test the strength of it and everything. And then from there,

it was a big old process of, you know, trying to find manufacturing and things like that. But we got to tell the story the other day, we shot some stuff that you guys will see coming up on Instagram TV. We got to kind of tell the beginning stages of it back when Andy pretty much did everything and I just shot video content of the product in the gym. But something I think that can be useful to you guys right now is if you do have an idea, if you do have a concept, just follow through with it. Just figure out a way to try to make it happen. Ask yourself, what resources do you have?

What's in your corner? Before this podcast got rolling today, we talked about how many hip circles we see in the market nowadays. They're everywhere, right? Things have changed drastically from the time that I started. Nine years ago, the slingshot was around and there was no competition. There was nobody else in the marketplace. And now you see many, many people throwing their hat into the marketplace of this category, making gear and fitness equipment and knee sleeves and these kinds of things. There really wasn't anybody around. There was like Ray band. They've been around forever. Uh, there was insert. They've been

around forever, but there's a lot of new companies that have popped up. And, um, it's because things are a lot easier now. It's a lot easier to make a t-shirt. It's a lot easier to make a hat. It's a lot easier to make a mug or, I mean, you can Google stuff and you can make it. It's no secret. And I don't care if there's more people, uh, more competition, just more people to me for me to whoop up on so it doesn't really matter too much it's very hard to execute on this stuff and so uh sharing some information is not really a huge a huge deal but really the main thing is is like if you got something don't wait man there's nothing nothing to fucking wait for don't do not wait there's

the longer that you wait the more you're going to doubt yourself the longer that it sits around now if it's something that you have been thinking about for a long time that's a better indication that it's a really fucking good idea and that you should move forward with it if it's something that I never think it's a good idea to take on an investor.

I never think it's a good idea to borrow money. And so given those scenarios and telling you not to wait, that's something you'll have to figure out on your own. What does that mean to you? How are you going to get started? Maybe you can figure out a way to get started and get going with like minimal means. Maybe, maybe this podcast that you want to start, this concept that you have. Maybe it's got to start with just using your phone. Maybe it's got to start with no budget. That's how I got started. That's how I got rolling.

You can make it happen too. Ninth anniversary of the Slingshot is coming. Super fired up, super excited. Look for some cool stuff coming up on markbellslingshot.com. Strength is never weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later.