Mark Bell's Power Project - MBPP EP. 702 - Sauna & Cold Plunge Yield MASSIVE BENEFITS, Most Effective Home Gym Ideas

Episode Date: March 28, 2022

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And I drank the whole thing. Truth serum. Truth serum. It's not bad for you though. I figured. I was given protein gummies. I figured everything here is probably going to be on par. Yeah.

We should spike MindBullet with psilocybin. Oh yeah, throw some of that in there. Hey, people wouldn't realize. They'd be coming to like fucking realizations during the podcast. That'd be great. You ever do any microdosing?

We've done it on the podcast. I know, I haven't, but I've heard there are benefits to doing small doses of psilocybin over a long period of time yeah it's great I've been messing around with it for maybe like about two years or so on and off I don't feel like

like I think that people are really scared of these things and it's always good to be cautious of everything but from what I've seen from for myself personally i guess i'll just go off of that i haven't noticed anything real negative from it however when i do mushrooms i i end up with anxiety which i don't normally ever have so it's interesting interesting it helps to make you like introspective. Yeah. And while I'm not someone who really ever deals with anxiety or ever deals with depression or – I'm usually pretty up. I'm usually pretty happy.

Yeah. I think the reflection of myself would be like, hey, dude, actually you do go pretty hard and you do give a fuck because you're – why else would you be pushing so hard on so many different things all the time? So I feel very relaxed relaxed i feel very good but there's something inside of me that is uh pretty fired up and pretty driven so i think something like mushrooms is nice because it gives me perspective and it's like uh you could think you're as cool as you want but when you do something like mushrooms the the mirror is to think about the mirror that you see is very real and then you kind of recognize you're like oh shit like yeah it's not me i have a lot of great people around me

you know and i've been very fortunate it kind of helps you with a lot of that shit which i think is great personally oh yeah i could see that i have similar i've had similar experiences i remember the very first time i ever tried it uh was during the age where pokemon go was in existence and kind of popular yeah and i just remember however you got a fuck ton of Pokemon since you, I had, oh, I was all about it. I was obsessed with it. Same here to an unhealthy degree. Me too.

Well, we were walking. And that's how I justified it. I'm like, I should get out. And this is great. A good way to get out into the community and experience the people that'll do this. You don't want to meet the people that are getting out to get Pokemon. You don't want to meet those people at any circumstance. And I realized midway through this trip, wow, I'm literally walking around chasing nothing.

I'm wasting so much time looking for nothing. Did you put any money in it? Did you buy it? Me too. I put money into it. I put hundreds of dollars into it. Same here. It was bad.

But in that moment, literally, I realized i'm like okay uh nope i'm done forever i can't ever go back to that that was a giant waste of time the way that game multiplied they tried to put it in perspective to like facebook and all these things that multiplied and grew and it grew like it's gonna do something they're gonna do something new with that i heard it's gonna be they're gonna collaborate oh my god that's not good it's not good none of it is good but kind of i don't know man i used to be good. It's not good. None of it is good. It's cool, but... Kind of. I don't know, man.

I used to be like about the whole thing. Well, maybe it's good, maybe it's not, but it's cool. Now I'm thinking it may just be bad. It gets people walking, though. People that wouldn't be usually coming to the gym and they'd usually be sedentary on a video game. Now they're outside walking, getting sunlight, catching Pokemon.

I mean... You can't hate it all the way. Yeah. I feel you. Do you have your avatar picked out already because you're into these comics and stuff? For the meta? Yeah. Honestly, I've stared clear.

And so far, it hasn't really impacted any business transactional worlds at all yet. But I'm told it will. Everyone who knows anything about it tells me that there will be some kind of a meta. And then IFTs will all come together. be that's how business will eventually go that direction so but for now it's not so you know what what we have is what i'm what i'm focused on what were you doing with the action figure on your ig that i saw the other day what's going on with that you were like painting it oh yeah that it's funny you know i gotta i gotta credit you are you artistic yeah i can't draw for shit really yeah how about you can you draw uh no yeah you probably can oh man i used to be able to i

haven't drawn in a long long time so i don't know if i can for me i've always found because i never played video games it was never really my thing i like movies but for me artistic expression has always kind of been that yin and yang for me i always find balance in my life by doing something like that for everything else in my life it's so you know it's it's living in the gym it's doing school it's you know building business whatever it is it's always just go go go go go but for that i can kind of just quiet it all down you know turn on some music and just yeah there you go yeah you made venom and it looks sick. Yeah, no, that was a fun one. What I do, what I have found is that I,

I got a 3d print out and I will print these files and then I will paint them and then I'll hang them in the gym. Wow. And what's fun about that is that it looks awesome. Doesn't it look cool? It does. On camera. It looks like it was gigantic.

So I don't know. It's just in a little box. I was like, Oh, okay. Yeah. It's kind of neat when you do something yourself too. Like,

I don't know. There's something like when someone asks you like, Hey, what's fucking venom doing hanging off the squat rack? Then I was like, oh, okay. Well, it's kind of neat when you do something yourself too. Like, I don't know, there's something, like when someone asks you like, hey, what's fucking Venom doing hanging off the squat rack? And you're like, well, I don't know. I tinkered around with that yesterday. I put it together.

And the cool thing is it's kind of a meeting of both worlds. I can now use what I used for kind of relaxation purposes, just set up a camera, do a time-lapse. And now I can use that for content or for the gym and it kind of fuels both sides. So I can do that and sort of justify it to myself a little bit better as not so much

a waste of time. But Eli's the one he told me, he goes, look, you know, you are in the process of making something that people want to, people want to see like you, people want to see the odd things that you like to do. And they want to see how see how you know your vision for not just fitness but for life and how you're making this brand kind of fun and for me there's nothing there's nothing that's ever been more fun than comic books and getting all you know nerdy about it and you know batman of course but uh that side of things where you may be a little reluctant to share that just because it's like uh it's more of a hobby and it's like it's more for you right so sometimes you don't want to share everything on social nah nah it was kind of the one thing that i sort of like didn't like and i didn't thanks a lot eli it was a it was it was a

uh it was i wouldn't say it was private but it was kind of just it was something off the wall that i didn't think a lot of people knew that i did for a while i actually started uh painting uh the warhammer miniatures like the little tiny ones that you see in, it's a board game. And I painted that since I was a little kid. I painted it kind of weirdly professionally. I used to paint them for the shops and stuff, and they display them. This is getting kind of nerdy.

It's about to get much more nerdy. Get ready. It's really bad. As a kid, I did it for years, and then I obviously stopped, because why would I keep doing that? And then kind of just came back to it with the 3D prints. I saw – I can't remember who I first saw that did that. 3D printers have kind of jumped off recently.

They haven't – That's really cool that you can 3D print your own shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, the files – there are companies now that specialize in just Marvel or just DC, and they make these really detailed models. And you can scale them. Dude, and they make these really detailed models. And you can scale them.

Dude, you can scale these things to be this big. Wow. And I figured out a way to just kind of, I took a model stand, turned it upside down, drilled holes, and then just anchored it and put some LEDs, and now they look sick. It's so much fun. And it would be, I mean, you guys could literally hang some up in here.

They're a lot of fun. Help us figure it out. Oh, shit. Yeah, all right. I'll get you all one. Dog, you think you're nerdy. Okay. Well, I mean, you see these little pop things?

I did see those little pop things. I have purchased hundreds of them. And I stopped years ago because I realized I've made a lot of financial mistakes in my life. That was one of them. Hey, Pokemon fucking MapleStory, League of Legends, all that shit. I've made a lot of financial decisions that were not good in my life that was that was one of them hey pokemon fucking maple story leave legends all that shit i made a lot of financial decisions like that were not good in my life but sure um i'm curious about this when you were younger did anything as far as like comics or whatever inspire you to work out because for me it was dragon ball z that really got me like working

in the gym really hard because i really wanted to look like goku i like have a picture of Goku in my in my office and I have another picture of Black Panther. Actually, my phone name is Black Panther. So, yeah, what inspired did any of that inspire you to get active when you're younger? Absolutely. Absolutely. If you look at any of the old really any old or new the drawings of the way they portray just from as an anatomist.

If you look at those pictures, those images, you're like, this is great, because what's more motivating than wanting to look this way? They all look the same. They're all built to be perfect specimens. Extremely muscular. Extremely muscular. Athletic as shit. And I had seen, it's not

really a new concept. There are gyms that I've seen, they've got murals on their walls, they've got all kinds of incredible, which we just did a mural on our garage door that that's the other thing is it's not just the painting of the miniatures i've uh i you know our shirts i've helped design those the murals on the wall a lot of the the whole gym is kind of artistic expression at this point which again i love but oh yeah i know exactly what those are my roommate had 500 of those at one point in his room i know they're i know they some of them were worth a heck of a lot of money but yeah most of them aren't yeah most of them are waste of money

oh yeah he was yeah he'd buy he'd be he was a terror you think you're bad he was terrible he would buy like like new beanie babies i'm dude, you're just throwing your money away for no reason. But the, uh, the, the, yeah, the superhero thing definitely, definitely inspired me as a kid to kind of get involved in this early, early on. Who's your favorite? Ooh. Favorite superhero. We were just talking about this.

Um, as a kid, it was always Spider-Man. I kind of just, that's an easy one. Low-hanging fruit, everybody. I think now it might be Doctor Strange. Oh, he's... I'm liking what they're doing with his character a lot. Yeah. And that's one of the rare...

Oh, there you go. That was so good. That one was fun. That one's really good. That one's big. How long have you been doing the model thing? Did you start with other stuff like gundams or something or did you just start doing models recently no literally i started

um with the little the tiny ones the little tiny warhammer where you're painting i mean the detail on these things they're this big and you're painting the face and the eyes and the the tones and everything and then went to that and the only reason i started up again was because like i said i figured out a way to kind of convert it into both content and creation for the gym there you go that's that's the mural the mural on the door is so cool did you do that i helped um kind of create the scape of it like i said okay here's who i want here are the images i want to use i put it all together i started some of it but then I brought in a mural artist to kind of finish it for me just because it took so long. It's just so much time.

I got a little bit of a problem with superheroes. Tell me. Oh, God. Well, it's not like in our society, it's not admirable to have something handed to you, right? And a lot of these superheroes had stuff handed to them. It's not like they trained for it. It's not like they're working out for it. It's not like they dieted a particular way.

They just have it, and especially Superman. Not Goku, but anyway. I know. I do know that there's some stories where they got some of the people will train and do certain things. But Superman is a real piece of shit. He is!

He is! He's probably, that motherfucker's probably below average where he's from he's a fucking alien i'm tired of it man i can't take it anymore flying around your fucking cape and shit everyone in your hometown fucking flies he comes down he's a fucking god to everybody? Yeah, I'm not impressed. Born into it, didn't have to earn a thing. No, you know what? That is a fair amount of privilege.

You're kind of blowing my mind with this right now. Because you've got to really think of ones that did have to work for it. Spider-Man. Spider-Man, he was picked on. He never had to work through anything. And he got bit by the spider and just got it. He didn't do anything for it. And then he gets revenge on people.

And you're like, that's not cool. Well, let's think about this. If you worked for it, that would be cool. It's got to be Batman. It's got to be one of the only ones that I can think of. Batman's a billionaire. I was going to say the one born with the silver spoon. He did train.

Yeah, that didn't give him his ability to... Okay. I mean, it gave him his ability to make some incredible toys, but it didn't give him his ability to... Climb ropes and stuff. Yeah to make some incredible toys but it didn't give him his ability to climb ropes and stuff yeah fine he's very intelligent but what were you saying andrew no to say that batman was yeah born with silver spoon in his mouth so he had so many more opportunities than all of us true but he's he's he's a fucking genius like when we think about it he like he's he's a super cool detective yes he is he had he had a fucking he had a way to delete the Justice League.

He had a contingency plan. Do all rich people's kids make it? Do all rich people's kids make it? Nah, bro. They end up pretty fucked up sometimes. And he didn't even have parents. He had Alfred. That's true.

Yeah, he had that going against him. Right? That's true. Alfred might be a secret weapon. Alfred is. You know anything about Alfred? Still to discipline. Oh, Alfred. The character of Alfred. He was like a surgeon in the army. He is. You know anything about Alfred? Still to discipline. Oh, Alfred, the

character of Alfred, he was like a surgeon in the army. He's like a weapon specialist. He knows how to make explosives. Oh, Alfred's a real

understated character in Batman. Alfred, see, I knew this was going to go this way. We're just going to talk about superheroes. I know it.

Yeah, he's a great character. Alfred's badass. And Alfred in a lot of the comics trained Batman. A lot of people think it's the League of Shadows. I didn't know that. Yeah, but Alfred trained him quite a bit in. Alfred's badass. Alfred, in a lot of the comics, trained Batman. A lot of people think it's the League of Shadows.

I didn't know that. Alfred trained him quite a bit in some of the comics. What about Bane? Bane's like 4,000 pounds or something, right? Movie or comic? In the movie, he's part of the League. They gave Tom Hardy a big old role.

In the comic, he's just a murderer who got serum. Again, didn't work for it. You're kind of changing my perception because i'm thinking more and more all of them none of them earned it all of them got it from something that was completely not like they didn't earn it all of them like chemicals a bunch of pussies they got it from yeah that's why i like captain america because he was just like everyone else but he had way way more courage way more brave way better than everyone just tiny skinny scrawny just like everyone else, but he had way more courage, way better than everyone. Just tiny, skinny, scrawny, just like me. Got on some gear.

He went on some sauce, right? He got on the sauce, and then it made him the best version of himself. So, yes, he did get it given to him. He's on performance enhancing. But he's giving it to him big time. Yes. It is sending the wrong message, though, isn't it? It's like literally telling everybody you need to get something externally in order to be this way.

Like you need magic in your life somehow. And there's only a few ways you can get that on Earth. This isn't a comic book. There's only a few places you can really get that. Yeah. I don't know. There is something cool about being the chosen one in some way, like Harry Potter or something like that. Like there's some cool things to like, I guess, somebody just being born a certain way or having a particular like lineage. But yeah, it gets to be weird when you really start to think about it.

That's why everybody likes, well, all kids that are millennials look at Dragon Ball Z as the quintessential training gym shit. Because Goku, he's a Saiyan. Yeah, he's from another planet. But at the end of the day, that motherfucker had to train, train got his ass beat he got stronger because he got his ass beat beat the boss gets his ass beat again gets stronger because he gets his ass beat boom it's just like training go in the gym get hurt recover get stronger goku is a bro and he actually like lifts right he lifts he actually lifts he does martial arts some supplement or something right a senzu bean a senzu bean let's say you're fucked up yeah no all it does is let's say you get fucked up you take a sense of being banned recently by wada if you recover and you're good to go that's all a senzu

bean is but we got to rewind back to batman because that movie came out and you had some opinions i did yeah it was good in my opinion but you know more about that and this will be out after a little while, because we have a couple of episodes from Arnold coming out. Good, so it won't be spoiling anything. I think at this point, if you wanted to see it and you're going to be upset by spoilers, you would have seen it already.

Yeah, and if you haven't seen it... He's not in the future yet. If you haven't seen it, just skip over this part and you'll be fine yeah we'll we got chapters oh yeah um so there's a lot about it i liked and some stuff that i didn't i i think the casting was really well i love the penguin i mean you will never you will watch that movie you will never know it's colin farrell you'll never that was colin farrell yeah bro holy see

what i'm talking about nobody knows it's's Colin Farrell. That's insane. He's got like three chins and a scar on his face. He does good. He did real good as the Penguin. They call him Oz. It's a great character. He was probably my favorite. If I had to pick one thing out of that movie, probably the Penguin. I'm blown away.

Me too. That was amazing. I didn't know until I got to it. Yeah, dude. Look at him. You have no idea that's him not a clue he's such a good actor like he did an amazing part like in that role that was fucking dope he's kind of reinvented himself wow because i mean for most of his career i think he kind of was like a b or c list actor he never really made it into the big films but he's a good actor he's done great yeah but no i i liked that i did not particularly like the way they looked at batman i i was not a big fan of to me batman was always the character who kind of looked at the city and

said or looked at his environment and said uh you know this isn't right y'all can't get it right so i'm doing it my way and i'm gonna fix fix it. And here are the reasons why. Crime is out of control. Corruption is widespread. This is what I'm taking. I'm doing this now. It seemed like he kind of regressed on that in this film. He seemed a little bit almost guilty for doing the things that he was doing. He seemed like he, because he has that big I'm vengeance thing that he says in the beginning,

which is dope. And then at the end, he kind of goes back on that. I think I put it to you it seemed like they wanted him to be kind of like Habitat for Humanity. That's what they wanted Batman to be. They kind of changed the way Batman looked. And I'm kind of

beholden to the Chris Nolan Batman. That's my favorite Batman so far. That or Michael Keaton, one of the two. I like them both. I think they're both great Batmans. That is probably the biggest overarching problem I had with it. I also kind of... What about him being very emo looking? That.

That. Who said? Andrew said that. Yeah, sorry. Yeah. Yes. Thank you. And you know what?

He doesn't turn it off. That's another thing I didn't mention that I noticed. He is that way the whole time. He's angsty. As Batman and as Bruce Wayne. He is that way the whole time. He's angsty. As Batman and as Bruce Wayne. You know how in the other ones it's like, okay. Bruce Wayne's like. Bruce Wayne's like, all right, you know, I'm going to one arm it with two girls at the same time.

Go in and buy the bar and then I'm going to leave and this is me. Yeah. He doesn't do any of that. He just looks mad and sad and angry the whole time. He looks like that. He even has bad posture. Like at least Bruce Wayne and Christopher Nolan's was walking around like this. Robert Pattinson, I mean, it's cool that he chose not to hop on the sauce, but Rob Pattinson

looks like a rock around with bad posture. Yeah. It's like, come on, man. You just pick up your shoes. Clean it up. It's not even that he, you know, and I get it. Not everybody's going to do the Ben Affleck thing and get 230 and just get on stage and look ridiculous.

Yeah. But he didn't even do anything. It's almost like he did it on purpose. He's like, not only am I not going to get on any steroids, I'm also not going to work out. I'm not going to do it. Mark, when you see this movie, you're going to be funny. You remember that scene where Robert Pattinson is shirtless?

Yeah. Okay, you remember when he's pushing the table and he does this weird spread? So the director's probably like, try to look bigger here. So he goes like this and pushes the table in a weird way so his back looks wide. And it's unimpressive. But they did do good

at giving him some angles where it looked like he was kind of big from the top. You could tell that they tried. They did. But moving the table with the shirt off and the back thing, that was just... And he's like, as he does it, I'm like, okay, that's not Batman. That's not Batman. But I think it was a good movie. I like it more than he does that, I'm like, okay, that's not Batman. That's not Batman.

But I think it was a good movie. I like it more than he does. Why is Batman moving furniture? We can't say that. We don't want to spoil it too much. Doesn't he have people to do that for him? That's true. There were things about it I liked. Overall, I did like the movie.

I had some critiques, but yeah, again, he does look good there. Not bad. Not bad at all. Right? He does look good. That's a generous look. Yeah. I was almost thinking there was a little bit of CGI involved in that.

Does he look good there? I don't know. He's not ripped ripped, but he has muscle. He looks healthy, but he doesn't look like a superhero. I was going to say, does he look like Batman? I'm pretty sure they knew this movie was coming for a year. A little while. Minimum.

It's like, hey, in 2022, you're going to be Batman. What are you going to do? I'm not going to do steroids. I think it's badass. I'm not going to get a haircut, that's for sure. I do think it's badass that he was just like, nah, I'm not going to work out, and y'all are going to deal with that shit.

And he did it. It's kind of cool. Like, yeah! And the Batman is still a good movie. He's never getting another role like that. As somebody who looks at the suit i feel like the aesthetics of the superhero are just as important as the like he's got to look a certain way this is what we're doing this is why we like him the comic books you gotta look a certain way you have

a point because he's walking around and he doesn't have superpowers and he's punching people and kicking people you'd expect him to be able to have a bit of a build to him. Especially Batman. Yeah. Batman's whole thing is that he will out-punch. He doesn't have, he's not Captain America. He doesn't have performance enhancers on him. His whole thing is he's out-trained everybody.

That's why I love Batman. Batman's whole thing is I'm going to go out every single night. I'm going to combine all the martial arts I've learned and all the strength training I do in the Batcave, and I'm going to go out and I'm going to go out every single night. I'm going to combine all the martial arts I've learned and all the strength training I do in the Batcave and I'm going to go out and I'm going to kick the shit out of everybody in this city and do that every single night. Are you one of these guys that's too much of a purist?

When you see one of these movies and you're pretty animated. Are you in the movie theater yelling at the screen? Oh man, I can be. That's not real. That's not normally like that. In this i got i got a little i got a look i will say this and i'm trying not to give all of it away right there was here's the original batman look at that i'm not going to show it on screen or play because last time we did we got

oh we got for it but did you yeah yeah but it's the uh the batman scene like robert west or something oh my gosh look at that how wow how Robert West or something? Oh my gosh, look at that. Wow, how have I never seen this? Oh my God, dude. Look at the shape he's in. Dude, he's beating the shit out of that shark. And you can hear like thunk, thunk. An uppercut to the rib of the shark. Is this the 60s?

Is this the 50s? When was this? Yeah, this is the 60s, 60s, 70s. But then he calls for like a certain spray and they just happen to have this array of oceanic repellents. Back spray and shark spray they just happen to have this array of oceanic repellent back spray and they happen to have shark spray so robin you gotta be prepared for all situations but did you watch the lego batman movie oh my goodness yes that was amazing the most amazing

nap i've ever had but in that movie they reference wait a minute shark spray you didn't like it no it's not i don't know i might have i might have liked it yeah he's frustrating dude you're it's cold it's dark the seat reclines nobody's gonna bother me oh you saw it in theaters you saw it okay i didn't see it i saw it in my house but i loved it oh i love the Lego i think will arnett has the best his voice darkness when superman's like i can see you're laughing in there whatever I think Will Arnett has the best, his voice. Darkness. When Superman's like, I can see you're laughing in there, whatever. That was pretty good. No, I like that one.

And I didn't hate this one. Yeah, there's just a couple things about it. The coolest part I thought was the car chase. The Batmobile in this one was fire. So cool. He sprayed him with the spray and then he explodes. That's awesome. I sidetracked you. That's so cool.

Are you yelling at the screen in the movie theater? I was during the car chase. That's kind of how I was going to round that back to the answer. Yeah, during the penguin car chase when Penguin's going and he's after him. Oh, I was yelling. And I had a date with me and it was a first date and she was like, please calm down. That was the first day. It was the first day.

Let's go. I think with movies like that, like it's, you know, those are, those are movies where you can do that kind of stuff. Especially if you're going to the movie theater, like real, like, uh, as soon as the movie comes out, comes out. Yeah. Like you expect that, like people are going to be hyped. The rest of the freaks.

And it was a lot. It was a three hour movie. So I feel like me doing that kind of woke up the theater. Like the theater was a little quiet. Like, let's go people. This is Batman. I know we're on two hours and 20 minutes. Let's go.

Yeah. I'm sad to admit when I did go and see that. I'm so proud of you. No, I, yeah, I have to admit this to Andrew. I slept like, let's just say 30 minutes in. I was like trying to stay awake with my girl and I fell asleep for like 15 minutes and I woke back up. I was like, fuck, I hope I didn't miss too much.

I'm going to rewatch it. Well, you need to just tell the people to take this because I'll be honest, I've never been so hyper-focused in my whole life. Take that, go to the Batman movie. It is, I mean, it was too long. They didn't need to make it that long. Better villain, Heath Ledger, Joker

or the new Penguin? No, that's not even close. Heath Ledger. Okay. Just making sure because I haven't seen the new one and i love that that that trilogy right there is probably my favorite superhero trilogy and i'm a huge captain america fan me too but that batman trilogy is fucking phenomenal yeah me too i i think i just don't know how anybody's gonna no i i held out hopes hopes for jared leto after i saw the snyder cut i thought okay well, well, maybe. That's a good one, by the way. That's what I liked. I love the Snyder cut on the Justice League.

Did you see that? That was good. No, I don't think so. It was a lot darker and stuff. That was three hours long. But I didn't feel like it. I was like glued to it. I'm like, this is awesome.

You can do that. You just have to be able to really bring it. Jack Nicholson was fun oh he was great right that's one of my that's that's probably well not probably that's definitely my second favorite joker definitely jack nicholson colors and everything like he just i was so young i don't remember that what about our boy john cena and peacemaker have you checked out yeah you know what we have a peacemaker shirt and no i have not seen the show I think that you would love it I loved the Suicide Squad

I thought that was hysterical I think that you'll absolutely it's so over the top it's everything he does he's got a gun it's this long yeah it's incredible we love it and Seema's been watching it too right and it has some deep themes it has some pretty deep themes for the show

it's really good I'm happy that they renewed it for season 2 but John Cena did a fucking It has some deep themes. It has some pretty deep themes for the show. Yeah, yeah. It's really good. I'm happy that they renewed it for a season two, but John Cena did a fucking good job as Peacemaker. He is low-key very funny. Absolutely. He is hysterical. He used to have seen a lot of John Cena movies, and that dude can fucking act. Yeah?

Yeah. Yeah. He's amazing. He's amazing. I'm trying. I mean, when I think act, I don't. I mean, I know he's funny. I know he's good. I know he's big. I'm trying. When when i think act i don't i mean i know he's funny i know he's good i know he's big i'm trying when is he like what's a acting role where he really

acted i think in this you you see like a lot of diversity from him a little bit of range oh yeah a lot of range actually okay yeah it's not just the same thing and then what mark mentions he's just because he knows him so well he's just like i'm pretty sure that wasn't in the script because that's just all john cena that's just the way he is. He fucks around a lot. Naked all the time. Like in Suicide Squad when he's in his underwear. He doesn't like clothes, that's for sure.

Well, who would like clothes when you fucking look like that? That's great. I mean, don't wear anything. There's some pretty incredible specimens at this table, but I don't think I've ever seen anybody look like John Cena. At his age, what's he way I mean that his age probably about 45 and then he probably weighs 240 250 240 250 something like that he's about your height oh damn you guys would look very similar he just has

like overly massive arms his joints like His fucking arms and wrists and stuff. It's weird. His hands. His hands? Yeah, that's like a thing on the internet. People always talk about his hands. But the band that he wears on his arms is for your head. It's a headband.

And he just wears it on his arms. That's the best thing I've ever heard about him. He wears a headband on his arms. You know what best thing I've ever heard about. Where's the headband on his arms? You know what he loves? He loves to train, loves to train. I've seen him. I've seen his workout videos. It's inspiring.

Trains all the time. I love that. I love OG, you know, guys who have done it for 40, 50 years. And that's what I want. And that's, you know, that's kind of the way that I train myself, my clients. That's kind of my whole methodology is I want to push for longevity. That's my, that's my biggest, if I have one word for, you know, the way I like to create programming, it's for longevity. I want to be doing this when I'm 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 years old. How old are you now? I'm 30, 31, 31 last week. Yeah. I like what you're

saying about that because some people, when they talk about longevity, they just talk about wanting to live to be like 126 or try to break some record and be 150 years old or whatever, which kind of sounds a little miserable because everybody that you know would die. Oh, yeah. Plus your quality. I mean, it's got to be about that. It can't be about the number. And that's what it seemed like you were touching upon right there is that it's about the quality of life. You want to be in a squat rack when you're 70 years old. Absolutely.

I want to be doing what I do now the same way I do when I'm training at that age. And that's something that if you – and, you know, seamless shout-out to Ian Danny. I mean, if you're trained a certain way at a young age and you're taught the right way right out of the gate and you never make all those crazy mistakes, you kind of have a leg up on that. And, and that's something that I am just every day. So thankful for is that I just have, you know,

I don't have any past, I don't have any real past injuries, something that wails on me, something that nags me and I'm able to train six, seven days a week, you know, and that, that is in largely because I have a, you know, pretty good understanding of how to train safely. And you have a movement background understanding of how to train safely. And you have a movement background. Let's not forget that because you just mentioned training. Oh, gymnastics, yeah. Yeah, training when young.

But you have a gymnastics background. So how do you think that that's training to your adulthood? Because as we were talking about in the gym, like I'm starting to do a lot of calisthenics works. I'm trying to train myself into a handstand and handstand walks. Heck, yeah. And it's harder as an adult. But when I see kids who did gymnastics, even if they stopped and they get a little bit out of shape and they're not doing a lot of shit, those kids can hop into a handstand. They can bang out pull-ups. They can bang out dips like no one's business.

Oh, yeah. Well, when you are in your very early stages of development, you've heard them say that kids are rubber for your brain and your body. You're learning your body's capabilities, both mentally and physically at that early, early age. If you take somebody who's 10 and you put them in a gym and you get them with an instructor and say, OK, hey, you know, we're not going to do weights. We're not going to do any of that, but we're going to work on hip mobility. We're going to work on getting you into the splits. We're going to work on the rings. We're going to do the bars, the pommel horse. We're going to do flexibility, strength, endurance, all of that kind of stuff. And we're

going to do that. I was training gymnastics five days a week. If you do that as a, as a young child, you will never forget that. And I told you guys, you know, even now, I mean, I'm, you know, I haven't done gymnastics in over 20 years, but I can still do a handstand. I can still do a hand spring, still do a flip. Those things are stuck with you. And as a foundation, I've never seen anything that provides a better foundation for kids and for development. And that's, I will say there is certainly a sort of a caveat that should be mentioned with that. And that is that you shouldn't really stick with that world for too long. Some of these, I touched on this when we were in there, some of these coaches, these gymnast coaches, they're like, well, we got to get you to the Olympics.

Got to go to the Olympics. I'm like, well, you know, I kind of think I want to do school. Is that the only goal for gymnastics, by the way? Is it just the Olympics? Because I can't think of anything else like. If you want to go, and why? Why would you want to do this? But if you wanted to go professionally, that's really it.

There is no other way. That's it. That's the end road is to get to the Olympics. In order to do that, you have to sacrifice. First of all, it's not – I wouldn't say it's healthy. It's probably unhealthy at that point to reach that scale, to go that long and that hard and all of that impact. I mean because it is a taxing, taxing sport the higher you go. And I did it for like eight years.

That's probably about how long I'd recommend anybody do it. You probably don't need to keep doing it after that. I mean, if you start when you're like eight, like I did, and you go to your 15 or 16, you're probably right now, I mean, you're about to go to high school, you're doing all these other things, you probably can stop and get into sports. But as that early age and as a kid,

I mean, if you have young ones, that's a great environment to get them in. It's a classroom setting. You get, you know, early, you know, interaction with other kids. You get to do something physical. It's not it's not crazy, you know, demanding on your body as a young kid. It's just once you get older and you start. I mean, I kind of developed a little bit early and I remember like being weirdly the tallest one in the class and I'm not tall. But all these kids who stay with it for so long a lot of gymnasts are very small the good ones

the ones that go the furthest are typically smaller framed people yeah um how is it for the uh for the females is it a little different because I know some females that have done done gymnastics and a lot of them have a lot of injuries from that is it is it different or does it depend on your coach or what have you seen well like as you said you didn't have really nagging injuries which is kind of surprising because gymnastics is very is like very violent on your body it is and again i did it from the ages of 8 to 15 or 16 so those are very early ages and i was i was fortunate enough to have a good coach. Um, I can't, I don't really know is the honest answer because I, I haven't really studied gymnastics.

It'd be a very interesting meta analysis to do if you were to take, you know, youth, male and female athletes really look at, okay, you know, what age demographic gets the most injuries? What are they from? How do they, you know, improve? That'd be really cool. That'd be a cool research analysis. But, um, I, yeah, I i don't i don't know whether females

or males have difference but i do know that the longer you do gymnastics it's pretty inevitable that you will get hurt and i'm sure i did have injuries while doing it what were your best events they all seem like impossible to me by the way what were your best events um probably the rings honestly i love the rings that was my favorite and i remember it's so funny because uh when you do the rings now in crossfit you've got the the muscle up which is so popular everybody's like a muscle i'm like what like like just getting up like before camp that's the starting position that's the starting but that's not that's not even an act that's not even an exercise that's like hello to the judge now i get up and go yeah now all of a sudden that's an exercise but i remember i went into a crossfit gym and I remember all these guys were just like dying.

They couldn't do it. They couldn't do it. I'm like, what are y'all trying to do? They're like a muscle up. I'm like, what's a muscle up? And they're like just getting up under the ring. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, just like this.

And then they're like, what the, you know, gymnastics. Gymnastics teaches you how to do that. Yeah. But that's such a good skill. Like the cool thing I think is like, and Andrew, I hope it really is does gymnastics. But anyway, it's so cool because like if you do gymnastics and then you take that into any other sport, just the body awareness that you have I think would allow you to kind of excel at any movement-based type of endeavor. Because when it comes to anything, like you need to have a level of body control. I find it wild that we can deadlift a crazy amount of weight, bench a crazy amount of weight, squat a crazy amount of weight, and we can't do five pull-ups.

At least when it comes to like real powerlifting. I mean I can understand. A lot of those athletes are 200, 300-something pounds. It's not the focus. But just on a survival type thing, if you can't lift your weight up onto a bar, if you can't push your, like if you have no control over just your body because that's all you have as you get older,

that's a gap, that's a problem. And gymnastics will give you that as when you're young and you have that for the rest of your life for the most part. Absolutely. It's what I like to think of as kind of an imbalanced athlete and imbalanced athletes can go a long way if their imbalance fits whatever event they're trying to do, like a powerlifter.

But for me, you know, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I'm a powerlifting coach. I'm not. But what I like to do is I like to incorporate powerlifts and functional movement patterns and endurance, you know, all of that stuff into the same type of modality and get all of that combined to get a very well-rounded, structured human being. I love on it, the total human optimization. I think that sentence is perfect. I think when I, when I think of like, what's my goal? Like, what do I want to do with this person? If they come to me and they ask me, Hey, you know, what are we going to do in my head? I'm thinking that I'm like, okay, I'm going to, we're going to make something that's going to touch on all these different aspects. And we're going to get you from here to there. But we're going to do it slowly and gradually, touching all of these areas.

And we're not just going to focus on one. So oftentimes, you'll get an athlete. It's fine, but they'll want one thing. They want, hey, I want, it's the worst when it's I want bigger arms or I want bigger this. That's oftentimes like immediately I kind of try to correct that thought process. But if it's, I want a bigger deadlift, well then in that case, okay, you know, we're dealing with most likely an imbalanced athlete, at least in their mentality, they want to build this.

They've probably neglected this. Maybe we'll address it. Maybe we won't. But in my head, that's how I think. What does that mean for some of your clients, for them to be optimized? Obviously it depends on their goals a little bit, but what are you hoping that they get from it? What are you hoping that their body's able to do and express? Yeah. It all depends on the athlete. I'll use an example. I have a client of mine,

Jessica. She's incredible. And anybody who watches our stories, I've had people reach out and say, like, you know, this is – that is the craziest client I've ever seen you do. She was somebody who came in. She was probably like 97 pounds. She was just very, very small, very, very frail. Five, six, five, seven. Whoa. Very small. Okay.

Very small. Middle-aged, small human being, just very small proportion, but needed strength training so badly. To say she was immobile was to just understate the whole situation. She wasn't mobile either? She was immobile, really couldn't move all that well. She just wasn't strong enough. She did not have the muscle strength to perform basic.

Like if you asked her to run it would be almost impossible for her to do that so for me when i thought of you know okay what is what is her human optimization what do i need to do with this person well i need to start and treat this like this is a day one foundational you know 12 year old kid who's trying to just learn how to do the basics and get to basically get to the starting line, just getting her to the starting line to perform certain lifts took months. And we've been together for years now. It's incredible. But seeing her go from, you know, not being able to barely walk and step up the step to get into my gym to now she's doing, you know, title tank, single leg step ups, and she's doing gym to now she's doing, you know, title tank, single leg

step ups, and she's doing lunges and she's doing, uh, you know, she's doing power cleans with the fit fighter. Like all those kinds of multi that to me is, you know, someone like that who needed muscle strength needed that. Yeah. Yeah. That's her. Wow. How old is she? She, you know, she looks like she got younger. That's kind of funny. You ask her, she'd say she did. Yeah, no, she, you know, she looks like she got younger. Yeah. That's kind of funny. You ask her, she'd say she did. Yeah. No, she did amazing. She is by far one of the most incredible stories I've ever seen. And that's an old one.

She's had a couple more since then. Um, cause I actually just, it's funny. I just went back and looked through all the, um, just some of the old like transactional because we're doing taxes and seeing how long she's been here a couple of years now. It's incredible what she's done and how she's been able to change. But someone like that would have a totally different viewpoint in my head. I'm like, all right, I'm not trying to get this person really not even trying to get her to deadlift at all. I'm just trying to get her to the point where she's comfortable. Perfect example. She sent me a video of her lifting the Brita water jug and putting it into the filter. And she texted

me and I'm like, what is this? And she goes, she texted me. She's like, I want you to know how important this is to me. I've never been able to do this. I've never been able to lift this and put this in here. Yeah, things like that, putting your suitcase, your luggage in the overhead bin, like just these tasks that maybe some of the rest of us might take for granted

because training is like a huge part of our life. There's a lot of other folks that just, they maybe haven't explored some of that and they haven't tried. And a lot of people are in huge part of our life. There's a lot of other folks that just, they maybe haven't explored some of that and they haven't tried. And a lot of people are in a lot of pain too. How do you manage people's pain? What are some things that you do when someone comes to you

and it sounds like this girl was just struggling with her strength, but what do you do when someone's having like some real issues with their pain? Yeah, yeah. Really and truly the best thing that I have found for pain management has been contrast therapy. This varies, of course, you know, disclaimer that of course I'm not a medical doctor, but when someone comes to me and they have some kind of a

preexisting nagging injury or something where they've had, you know, surgery or something that isn't shutting up, it's not leaving them alone. A lot of times I find that while there may be some kind of anatomical issue that needs to be worked out manually through whatever, deep tissue workout, strengthen around the area, anything like that. If it's residing inflammation or something along those lines, contrast therapy has changed. It's changed my life and it has changed the lives of so many of my clients. A bit about, and I want to dive deeper into this, but a bit about how we train at my facility.

And this is what I'm getting a PhD. I'm starting that off here in the next, pretty excited, in June. Yeah. What my thesis is on is the combination of strength training and contrast therapy inside of a 30-minute metabolic window. So what our facility does, it's very cool. We have the training, which is essentially phase one of every session with us. Everything is one-on-one or two-on-one. We do partner training.

They do the strength training with me, with the program that we design. I have a mobile app we use for peer-to-peer sharing. They do that. Then they go into the back. And in the back. And Andrew, if you can find something like this, this would be incredible. We have our ice sub and our sauna. And what I have learned, I got into this a lot because I had a client that had, uh, uh, well, he was misdiagnosed with ALS. He had nerve damage going up his legs. He had restless leg syndrome. He couldn't sleep and as a family member. So it was very personal for me. So I essentially started looking into the design process of these tubs. What does that say by the way? Frost, right? Chamber,

frost, right? Chamber. So it's a self-sustaining ice tub. It filters itself and it makes its own ice. We run a ozone filter and it basically chills like a freezer yeah and so what we've done and we're in the process of actually we're going to eventually make and manufacture these so we're pretty excited we'll get one to you guys for sure cool yeah we're we're some very cutting-edge stuff from some investors that aren't me that are going to make a very very cool model but everybody does strength training then they go back and they do contrast therapy and our sauna is outstanding gets to 220 degrees what sauna is this what we made it yes made the song we made this stuff in house this this is not easy yeah we we we worked with i have an incredible engineer i have you know i've got great people around me and that's a big

key to doing this kind of thing. But our sauna we made. Wow. So it's a, yeah, it's a great little unit. It's not a, it's not an infrared. If I could do my. You would rather have an infrared. No. Oh, you don't want.

No, I don't want an infrared. I don't get it. Yeah. Okay. I don't get it. Everybody around me. You're like, yeah, but it's cooking you from within. I'm like, okay, maybe it works.

Maybe it does. And i'm sure it does but when i sit in an infrared and i get in there it's like okay 20 30 minutes okay i think i'm sweating yeah like you do not have that problem you get into that unit am i am i crazy like i know what you mean yeah because the heat is super dry and you're talking about the type of sauna where you put the rocks on it and stuff like that. Those are better. I like the way those feel better. I get to use an infrared sauna at this place in Sacramento called Asha. Theirs goes up to 195. So I do sweat.

But I've also been in a – like the sauna that you guys are talking about. And it's different. Dry steam. That's what they call it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the stones. You got a bowl. You do the water.

And it steams. And it's hot. And that's the thing is it's like really hot. And what's amazing is I don't know if y'all have ever done contrast therapy. There's a place that's pretty popular. It's called Optimize where they do – essentially what we are is a private training facility with Optimize in our facility. So we have essentially what they offer after each one of our strength training sessions. like essentially what they offer after each one of our strength training sessions and what i have found getting back to your earlier question if you do strength training and you do contrast therapy

closely together and this is you know to be determined research because i want to do it i'm going to do original research on this what i have found is that first off the benefits for weight loss for individuals who that is their goal, doing this is the most efficient thing that I have ever found. How so? Again, the research has to be done. I have to now do it. But what I have found is that doing contrast therapy finishes off the workout and active

because when you get into the ice tub specifically, I mean, your metabolic rate, when your heart gets going and you are, I am teaching you the breathing techniques. We are going through the meditational process. We are doing everything we can to keep your sympathetic nervous system down, which is hard enough coming off a HIIT workout, but you're getting into the ice and now you're in a place where, oh, your body is, it's the, you know, you're overheating with the workout, you're chilling in the ice, and then you're heating again in the sauna. Doing that, and again,'re heating again in the sauna doing that and again i i need

to do the research i'm so excited to do it but i have found my clients who have all like weight loss has been their thing since i started doing that it's changed everything and for injuries the removal of inflammation the toxins from the joints the ligaments the tendons that that would you know the cold is powerful. I can absolutely get behind you on that because whenever I have little nagging things or whatever, I'll step into my cold plunge at home. Literally, I'll do it for one minute or two minutes. I get out of it.

30 minutes later when I'm, well, a few hours later, I'm warmed up. I just feel much better. Joints feel much better. It's wild. How many times do people go back and forth? So that's a very good question. I have found it varies based on the individual. Some people like five, five, five. My personal favorite, I like 10 minutes cold, 10 minutes hot. I like straight up. How cold is 10 minutes? It's

34 to 37 degrees. That's what our water stays at. Now that's my model. And my model is a little extreme. That's just me. I like it. I like the mental fortitude that you build by doing that as much as the physical. And we could talk about that for an hour, just the mental benefits of being able to enter that environment and overcome it. It's a, I mean, people with anxiety, depression, insomnia, people, I've had cops with PTSD who have done this with me. And I'm like, Hey man, look, I have this idea in my head that i think this might help you we need to try this out and just kind of do what i say and tell me if this helps you they've sworn by it it the mental stuff on that is as powerful as the physical in my opinion from what i have found but getting in that for 10 minutes means

you have conquered the breathing meditation and the cold. You, you have overcome that. And what I will do is now I'm at a place, I actually lead classes through Tik TOK on our live platform while I'm in there. Yeah. So I'll talk through like, all right, y'all, you know, this is going to, the cold is not constant. It's going to come in waves. This is the first wave about three minutes. And then I'm going to start to cool out, start to get numb. I'll feel all right. And then the second wave will hit me. And that is something that if you ever go 10 minutes and 10 minutes, what you want is what I like to call aftershock. See, after you do the cold, your body is going to naturally want to get back to your normal body temperature. And it's going to do that

through vasodilation, pushing the blood back to your extremities after it left. It's painful. I've seen grown men cry it is a it is an overwhelming can be an overwhelming process painful in what way like your skin is uh you know feeling uh weird or is it like painful mentally more than anything else very hard to describe is it physical oh it's physical okay it's also it's weirdly emotional too you and and for me i've done it enough to where i you know it's like clockwork it's fine i don't get it i don't get any stress or anxiety about it at all because i understand the worst part of the whole ice bath is that 60 seconds before i get in i'm thinking about it my mind i'm getting i'm getting myself you know kind of ready and i'm

getting myself kind of kind of amped You just naturally, there's nothing you can do. Your heart's already elevated just looking at the water. But, um, what I have found is that, uh, I'm sorry, what was your question again? I lost, I lost my train of thought. Oh, I was just saying like, uh, what kind of pain? Pain, physical or mental? Yes. Um, physical is certainly the more of a, not so much your skin because you're kind of numb, but as that circulation starts to happen and it is a – I understand. That makes sense.

It's just – it's overwhelming. You feel very – first of all, you are convulsing most likely. You've been in the cold for that long. You're shivering naturally. Yeah, yeah. Once you get out, the way I describe it, it's like getting into the cold again because your body, when you first get in, that first three minutes is by far the most difficult. naturally once you get out the way i describe it it's like getting into the cold again because your body when you first get in that first three minutes is by far the most difficult i tell my

clients if you can make it past three minutes you can get to 10 minutes no problem you're there i gotta try that but if you go in and you do 10 minutes then you get out first minute or so out of the cold you're fine you're numb you don't feel anything as you start to recirculate and get your body back to normal temperature, you start to feel like that first three minutes all over again because your body doesn't quite get, am I cold? Am I hot? And then you add the sauna in there as well. Now, the sauna is actually kind of a band-aid. It's beneficial for me and our process because our clients, I mean, a turnaround time for our sessions is about 70 minutes. So that's not, I mean, that's a decent amount of time. You got phase one training and then contrast therapy, which is about 25 minutes. If they do 10 and 10, the sauna is there to kind

of get you, cause most people wouldn't be able to operate their car. If you got into that ice bath for 10 minutes and you just got out and tried to leave, you would probably crash your car. Like it's probably not safe. Oh, i've had to do it one time one time i forgot to turn the sauna on and then i had to go and i was like in my car just like but uh the sauna helps kind of reset you you know you won't even sweat 220 degrees after the ice bath you will not sweat you'll get in there you'll feel right and you'll leave power project family how's it going i hope you guys are enjoying the episode and i want to tell you sometimes when you're a lifter you need certain pieces of equipment that's going to help you perform a little better in the gym.

Just like the hip circle is going to help warm up your hips. Knee sleeves are going to keep your knees warm when you're squatting. The slingshots can help you bench a little bit more. But the cool thing is that Mark made all of this equipment when he was in the middle of his powerlifting career

because he wanted equipment that could help him perform better as it can also help you perform better. The cool thing is that all this equipment was made for lifters by lifters. Andrew, can you tell them how to get it? Yes, that's over at markbellslingshot.com and at checkout, enter promo code POWERPROJECT10 to save 10% off your entire order. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. I've done that before. This place has a cold and

hot, but I was curious. Number one, do you have these people take electrolytes? Because obviously they're sweating a lot while they're're in the sauna but secondly have you ever had the sensation of like airheadedness or lightheadedness when you're doing contrast therapy what happens sometimes is i'll go into the sauna for whatever i'll get out i'll go to the cold plunge and when i get out of there it's almost like i want to faint like like literally i feel like i just may pass out not because of like i've sweated or anything but i just feel like a lot of like airiness in my head oh yeah i'm good but it feels unsafe when you when you when you feel this is it immediately when you get in or is it when

you when when do you feel this sensation some okay so like it's random sometimes so i'll do the sauna i'll get out i'll go into the cold plunge you're starting with the sauna yeah no sometimes i start with the cold punch and sauna but like when i remember the last time I'll do the sauna. I'll get out. I'll go into the cold plunge. You're starting with the sauna. Yeah. No, sometimes I start with the cold plunge and sauna. But I remember the last time when I did the sauna, came out and then I went to the cold plunge. Around three or four minutes while I was in the cold plunge, I was looking at my heart rate. It was really low.

And I was just like, stay here, Seba. Stay here. Stay where. Right? And I was like, hmm, this is weird. Yes. Do you know what I'm talking about? I know exactly what you're talking about. Do you know what the fuck's happening i honestly don't i honestly don't and you know why

i honestly i did it a couple times i used to go cold hot cold hot and i did what you did where i would go in the sauna you'll get myself because you're again your heart is so so low beating so slowly because you're in the you're meditating in the sauna you're so hot you're overheated then you get out then you get into the, and you don't even really feel it. You get in, and you're just like. I started to. I remember one time. I did it at night, and my tub is outside, so I'm looking up.

The stars were going. Yeah. Like rolling. I'm like, okay. I'm fine, but I'm not about to let my clients do this in the back while I'm working with the next person. No way. So I don't do hot to cold.

I only let my clients do cold to hot. Okay of that exact reason you're right i'm not exactly sure what's happening but something happens when you go hot to cold as opposed to cold to hot yeah it's weird okay and you know i i try to preface my cold because that same exact thing can happen when you get into the cold initially. That shock factor hits you. So what I do is I teach my clients the breathing patterns. That's, Oh, he's got, Oh, is that alive? Oh, that's an old one, man. Look how short my hair is. Sorry. I was going to short those shorts are my gosh. We love shorter, much shorter. I've seen y'all guys. You guys do the short shorts too. That's awesome. Oh, boy.

I couldn't find anything where you were in the sauna, so I was trying to just find anything, but there we go. Yeah, that's alive, I think. Is that IG? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it might have been alive because it's longer than any of the other ones. I'm imagining some of what's happening is like your blood pressure, your blood sugar.

Some of these things are probably shifting around quite a bit. You just got done with exercise. So who knows? A lot of times people say that your glycogen is kind of depleted after a training session. And maybe it's exacerbated when you go into a sauna and then go into the cold and things like that. when you go into a sauna and then go into the cold and things like that. But I would imagine it's happening in terms of body composition. You reporting that you've noticed some good changes with your clients.

I would imagine it's just a further boost in the metabolism, in burning calories, because we know that when you go into a sauna that your heart rate does increase a bit. And obviously, I mean, it's very obvious that when you go into cold, your heart rate's going to increase. So maybe it's just an opportunity for people to kind of almost absorb the stress of the workout in a more comfortable, cleaner way. I like that. If that makes sense, like more efficiency.

People get all caught up with the calorie thing, and we've circled the wagon 9,000 times on is a calorie a calorie. But what we found is that there's certain calories that aren't used by the human body very efficiently for energy, like protein. So protein and fiber, they get to be a little bit of not necessarily completely free, I don't think, but they definitely have a different caloric value than what they're currently assigned of four calories per gram, or at least it kind of appears that way. And so I think with something like what you're pointing out here is like, maybe this somehow just makes the workout a little bit more efficient or assist with recovery, helps the body be a little bit more efficient with burning calories,

things of that nature. But I love when people like yourself are doing things like this, and you're sharing the information, but not necessarily saying, hey, man, you're going to lose eight pounds of fat in six weeks, and you've got this program, and you're selling an e-book of hot and cold, and all this kind of stuff. You're just saying, look, man, this is what I do with people. And I've noticed that it's working really well.

I'm not sure what's going on. I'm not going to sit here and give you a bunch of science and what I think, but I'm going to go test it and see what it looks like. Oh, I love it. And I, you know, to your point on the calories and in SEMA, what you mentioned as well with the electrolytes, I do have a supplement that I do give my in-person people. I don't, I don't rep supplements that much, but I have one where it's an amino acid and an electrolyte that they take after phase one before phase two. So they do take a real clean amino,

just something quick, something absorbable that they just take right before doing the cold. Not everyone does, but a lot of them do. And that I think helps them get through phase two as well. And I think it is just a nice, nice capstone for the workout because anybody who's done cold and hot therapy knows, I mean, better or worse, when you're done with it, you're going to have that euphoric feeling for the rest of the day. You're going to feel so good. And it's amazing to me the amount of, because this is somehow a, I wouldn't say a controversial topic, but there's,

there's a, there's a lot of information out there saying that it can interfere with hypertrophy training. Oh yeah. That cold can. I tell people, look, I mean, again, like you said, I'm, I'm just repping what I know to be true for myself and my clients. Just what I've seen. Is it good to do every single day? Probably not every single day, but a couple times a week, I have found it to be invaluable. And it feels amazing. You feel so, so good. I mean, how many times you leave the gym, maybe even as, I mean, we leave the gym, we feel good all the time unless we got hurt. But most people, you know, they go to the gym, they do their thing, they leave, they're like, oh, I'm so tired, whatever.

You leave the gym after coming to us and you do the cold, the hot, and the workout all together. You've done, you know, everything's succeeded. Everything's tracked and you know that you got it all in. You feel great. Aside from the sense of accomplishment, you've got that just euphoric sense from the cold and hot that just gets you going through the day. You've got an energy boost beyond anything. I mean, doing that, you couldn't go to sleep if you tried when you go on that. That's what some people ask. Could I pass out? I'm like, yeah, I don't think so. Like you

go on that cold. You've never been that alert in your entire life. Like you, and again, I, I can only rep what I've seen and what I've done and what my clients have said and all the testimonies from the people who I know I'm not, of course, the only voice in this arena. Cold therapy is very popular. It really is life-changing. And for us, it has shaped our business model and what we have been able to create. You know, we're already kind of a different – we do things to the tune of a different drum where the garage gym training empire is already kind of unique and weird. But now to combine that with something that is going to be, you know, peer reviewed research, it's, it's its own, you know, kind of training modality and uniqueness. And that's really what I want to show everyone how to do and not just create a gym in your garage and do

something with it, but to create kind of a method, a gym create a man just kind of go with that that's that's really what that's really what i see is sort of the future and then would you say that like a so ice bath and then like a really hot shower contrasty enough or does it have to be okay oh absolutely well i mean our place optimized those are probably like the that's the peak like you get the, coolest feeling from going to the cold water. I do recommend water. I will say that. I've done cryotherapy. You ever done cryotherapy?

I've done it. It's not the same. It's not the same. Not even close. Water, as a viscous material, it transmits temperature. I mean, obviously, it's an ancient perennial substance on earth. It is a human experience. Getting into freezing cold water, water is amazing.

There's something so primal about it, literally. I mean, I'm sure you all have heard Wim Hof seeing his whole thing on the lizard brain. All that's true. You are tapping into some very, very old, old methods by getting in that. We didn't invent shit. Like, this is an old, old technique that people have used for recovery and for strength.

I mean getting uncomfortable, getting comfortable, getting uncomfortable. That's the biggest thing. Again, getting back to the mental side of things. Just pushing yourself to be in a situation where you're no longer an American in a 75-degree room all the time. You're in a very, very uncontrolled environment that you need to harness. Love that. Have you found this attachment anywhere else? Like in training, like you do a lot of – I guess it's more conventional now, but a lot of unconventional training.

People swinging shit, throwing shit, picking shit up off of the ground, farmer's carries, tire flips, all these different movements. Have you seen that having a similar effect for some of the people that you work with? Because you were talking about the cold and hot kind of having almost like this primal kind of throwback. And it's quite obvious we're meant to and designed to utilize tools and stuff like that. So when you have some of your clients utilizing these methods, what are you seeing? Well, men and women have been using off-balanced items for strength training for thousands of years. You go back to – I'm totally ripping on it here, but like the old Persian warriors

would use clubs and maces and steel for that kind of training and what i find is that first and foremost it's fun it's fun people love people don't want to be bored people don't want that's why we do the superhero thing you know people people don't want to go to the gym and be bored they can do that anywhere yeah they come to me they're going to do something different they're going to do something fun it's like not only are we going to use a mace we're going to use the hammer that I use dressed as Thor last week in the video that we did. And we're going to, we're going to swing that against this tire. And, and, and we're going to, you know, then, then maybe I'll make a mashup video of me doing

it as Thor and you doing it as a client. I'll put it together. And that's the other thing is the clients that train with me, they know, they kind of know what we're doing. They, they love the idea of being like, I want to be in one of your videos. Like, I want to be like, we want to be part of this. It's a really cool, you know, community experience. And yeah, to the whole primal thing. Oh, yeah, I love functional training. I think there's nothing more functional than, I mean, moving weight, pushing sleds, swinging items that are off-balanced off your head.

And, I mean, hammer training is a great, great adaptation of that. Because you've got an, it's an old, shout out to the Banff hammer there. That guy's freaking warehouse burned down, man. Isn't that terrible? His house, his house was his warehouse, and it burned to the ground. It's rough. That's rough. So we'll give him some love

on the podcast what's what's his product bamf b-a-m-f have you all ever seen those the bamf hammers oh what are they oh dude so in my in my right see the big one yeah this is a this is a this or that video so this is comparing the tribewad hammers which are you know they're okay and then the bamf hammer which is over there on the left and the one he made he makes those and he is i mean he's an incredible inventor you know what it is it's it's kind of a shame because he's an incredible inventor that i think kind of never really got off the ground he had talks with sorenix at one point or maybe it was i can't remember he had talks with some big company about manufacturing these and it

never got off the ground so he did them himself and they are made of this really really dense rubber material oh wow and what makes that special is you don't need a tire you can bang that on your on your ground bang it anywhere yeah so he has yeah we've done a lot he's great he loves what we're doing and we love what he makes so he and i have collaborated on a lot of different stuff how can people get that hammer if they're interested like what's his website or you know to tell you the truth bud he did a video last oh you might not be able to get anything he may not be able to get he announced that hey if you have bamf hammers now they're now a

collectible i have no doubt that he'll come back oh man but he for now i think he's out of production but b-a-m-f which we don't know what that stands for uh bamf just do that on instagram he's on there and if anybody wants to you know send him a message i'm sure well i'm not sure i hope he'll be able to get more in production eventually because they are incredible they're uh they're decently footprinted and they're and they're very very reasonably priced too the other thing i like about what you're saying is you know when you have somebody squatting like 315 or something like that not not all clients can do that and there's a lot of 315 or something like that, not all clients can do that. And there's a lot of people that are like, ah, that's not, or bench pressing four

plates or, you know, any of these kind of power lifting movements or doing overhead presses and some stuff like that. And people have experience, like a lot of people have some experience with some of these things and they kind of understand like that hurts when i do that but when someone's using a mace or someone's using a hammer like that or someone's flipping a tire they probably don't have much uh to relate it to and they probably like have never tried it before and when you're like you can flip that 250 pound tire they're probably like no i can't and you're like no you you've been training here for a little while you you're going to be able to flip the tire it's a little bit of technique and it might not be easy but you're like, no, you've been training here for a little while. You're going to be able to flip the tire. It's a little bit of technique, and it might not be easy, but you're going to be able to do it.

And then they're able to do it, and then they're super surprised at themselves, right? And they're so thrilled because it's something that, you know, it's so functional, it's so practical for everyday use. And, again, back to that lifting the bread thing, putting it in, there's a perfect example of something where in everyday life she could never do this. She texted me. I want to cry on this podcast, but she texted me that she could never decorate her Christmas tree every year with her kids. She can never do that.

And that last year was the very first time she could ever do that. It's stuff like that. That is, I love that what we get to do helps people genuinely genuinely helps people live a better life yeah she was there her like lower back or something she had problem with her it was it was a lot of different stuff yeah it was a lot of different stuff truly she was as a as a whole just as a whole very underweight not strong did not have muscle density just did not have the ability to she she specifically pertaining to the tree she did not feel safe getting on a ladder period the end did not even have like the capability to get up onto a step ladder and put

up ornaments so you know it's just stuff like that and this again this is going back earlier she has progressed so much now she does that with the fifth fighter across her shoulders so she has she has uh just grown and that's just one example i i love working with of course i love working with the you know top tier guys and you know changing somebody maybe a fraction of two percent on their whatever but it's it's a lot cooler to train with somebody that has like you know they, they can improve 40, 50, 60% of their human existence just by coming to you a few times a week. That's what I love. One different thing that's really cool about what you're doing. And we've been talking about this a lot on the podcast as of recent is that the off balance stuff that Mark was mentioning,

right. Or the, the off balance type of equipment, you know, when you're thinking of just lifting, a lot of lifts are just done straight planes. But when you're able to actually add in rotation and that type of movement, that's when you really get people. When you mentioned longevity at the beginning of the podcast, that's when longevity really starts to come into the picture. Because as you get older, if all you've been doing has been doing squatting curls presses your body and your muscle may be strong but then imagine when you want to go pick up something down at your left side you need to bend down to go get it or you need to oddly like i'll have me fucking having to pick up my puppy sometimes in weird positions i have to bend and pick them up and i'm in this weird lever yeah yeah

if you're old and you're trying to do that that's when something goes because you you can't rotate Yeah, yeah oh yeah getting caught up with the numbers getting stuck on i know y'all have a leadership board but getting focused on the leadership board and kind of not not accounting for all the accessory movements and all the stuff that i need to do to you know work on my stabilizers and work on my range of motion and all that kind of stuff and like you said anybody can do it so much of so much of the equipment that you need in order to do this stuff is like the cheaper stuff, like the least expensive stuff. Like what's, I mean, uh, stick mobility, you ever seen their stuff? The, the, I mean, three of those sticks, that's not that much. Anybody can get those. Everybody should have them. Every single human

being should have those and should be using them. That is something that, I mean, that's just an example. There are certain things that we should always always have whether you're going to the gym or whether you're working out with a trainer that can make you a better human being and if you're a high level guy i mean you should already know about this if you don't then something's wrong with your coach you you every every single athlete in the world i'm maybe i'm a bit you know but i think every single athlete in the entire world should be training with the methods that we use. Every single – in some capacity. I mean obviously the lifts will vary and the weights will vary because you're a different specimen than somebody else.

But the way that we're training, every single athlete in the world should be using. So you're here because you have the most pimped out garage gym in the universe probably. Oh, thanks, bud. It's fucking amazing. Now like – Isn't that dope? Oh, I forgot about that picture look at that that's so cool the before and after that's a trip how big is that space dude it's not that big because we've got um we got 600 square foot under roof and then we've got another we got another 1500 in the back see that's the big thing is we didn't just do we we ended up – we changed the whole outline of that.

We still have the door on the right side but the left one we closed. Essentially, we closed in the whole place. I put insulation in the ceiling. I put a split system on the wall so it's AC and there's a door in the back that goes directly to the backyard. So clients come in. It's totally separate from the house. Clients come in through the back gate. They come in.

We do meet in the gym. We do our workout. Obviously, that's usually indoor, outdoor because there's a lot of stuff you need room for. And then in the back is the sauna, the ice bath, the endless pool pretty soon. And then, yeah, that's phase two. But it's pretty cool. And do you live here? You live there?

Yeah. Is any part of that weird? You know, you got people training in the garage or does that work out okay it actually works out beautifully it could not be better i couldn't be happier with it it uh because of the way we train because we only do one-on-one or semi-private and it's all me that's the thing too is we have a four-person team but i'm the only coach everything else is our our expansion is primarily through you know online sector of course we're doing a lot more seminar work and talk about that as well but the in-person training that's all me so i get to work with the

schedule i get to work with the periodization i get to work with the clients and um the the best thing about this is the growth that we've seen has been through collaborations and that's i mean this this is the culmination of all that at this moment and thank you guys again i want to make sure that i say this you know out loud and everything thank you so much for having us on this is this is a true honor but i've like i said through email you made this shit happen because we were actually going back and forth and I got him confused with another Brandon that was trying to get Mark on his show so right after I talked to Mark about it I was I was writing back Brandon I was just like oh hey sorry dude we're gonna focus yeah and stuff and you're like no no that's not what I was asking for and

I was like wait what and then I looked you up and I'm like oh fuck dude my bad like yes let's make this happen so yeah you I i mean yes thank you we appreciate you and your time but like yeah i just want you to know like you made this happen thanks which which i love because a lot of people are just like oh you go look you're you know like people get mad at other people but of course yeah you made this shit happen and i'm really stoked that you're here me too bro thank you andrew for being the point of contact on this and everything no you know making it happen, that's the key to actually making an entrepreneur an entrepreneur.

That is the one thing that you just have to realize is that in order for anything to succeed, if it's just you, it's just you. And like I said, I've got a four-person team now. In the beginning, I didn't have any of that. So being at a place where you have to realize that no one's coming, like no one's going to make anything happen. beginning i didn't have any of that so being at a place where you have to realize that you know no one's coming like no one's gonna make anything happen you've got to be the guy to clean the floors clean the bathroom and do all the gym stuff like you got to be able to do it all that is

dude these are the dopest dumbbells i've ever seen oh aren't they dude those are oh yeah man are those custom made or like where'd you get them um i got those you'd have a hard time getting them now they're from russia yeah you're not gonna be able to get those anymore all right they uh they uh they're in they're in uh kilograms and i mean those that was a later iteration we had dumbbells before of course i had to get those because as as the brand progressed and as we became you know the superhero the comic boot jam i'm like well i know those exist i gotta figure out a way to get them um but most of our stuff now as i mentioned comes comes through collaboration uh most these companies and stuff that we deal with they it's it's cool because it's it's at a point now where they also reach

out to us right and and and there's value on both sides of the equation now. And that is the big thing that I want to kind of bring to the table for the community, especially for the garage gym community. There are a lot of trainers right now that are really looking inward. And that's in large part because of COVID. I mean, a lot of trainers had, they had to go inward. They're like, well, I kind of have to train for my house now. I got to figure out a way to get mobile. I got to get a, I got to get park workouts and I need to figure out a way to do this. And we get that question a lot too. Did you do this in response to COVID?

And I always say like, no, man, we, we've been doing this for, you know, seven years now. It's just happened to happen when COVID happened that that took off, but bringing this as a alternative business model for professionals and for people who actually want to do training and want to be somebody who's somewhat of an expert, doing it this way is a very different – because most people, it's all right. Maybe I get a certification. Maybe I go to school. I get out. I go to Lifetime Fitness.

I train there. I build up my client base, and then I leave and I get my own place. And hopefully they come with me. Maybe not. I don't know. But that's kind of the way that everyone grows in the industry, I found. And I didn't do any of that. As I mentioned to you, I trained with Ian Danny when I was younger.

So that was an incredible opportunity to get the proper mechanisms down for training. But for business expansion, that was all trial and error later on. but for business expansion that was all trial and error later on and doing it this way was sort of just a passion project that never stopped i i don't believe in luck i don't believe people get lucky i think i mean to to a degree perhaps but in my opinion the people that get success they earned it they did something to create who they are you know most successful people aren't stupid and being able to get to this point required a lot of hard work and trial and error and the cool thing is that now there's a specific place in the market for it there's a lot of trainers that are looking to do it a lot of uh people who want to train in these kinds of

environments this is the video that i was referencing to you, Mark, earlier. This is the Viking press set up with the Henny attachment. See how I got the landmine, then the Henny, then the plate, then the Elite. It's perfect. It's the best. Now, with Ian Danny, first of all,

Ian is probably the person that knows the most about training that I ever met in my life. It's insane. Same here. Understudy of Charles Poliquin. Training with someone like that is not inexpensive. So what was the—and you interned for him.

So you got personal training from him and you interned for him. That sounds like a big commitment. What was the reason behind the commitment? him. That sounds like a big commitment. What was the reason behind the commitment? At the time, we had a family friend who had a brief tryout with the Buffalo Bills and he was training with Ian. And he kind of got me in the door at all, because even if you were willing to pay for it, Ian isn't just going to intern anybody. He's not just going to let anybody do this. He took me in and said, hey, look, you know, this kid, he's 17. He really wants to do this. He loves sports. He has, he thinks he wants to do a train. And at the time, I mean, I could sit here

and say, Oh, I was the savant at 17. I knew I wanted to do this garage gym empire. I didn't know anything. I didn't have any idea what I was going to do, but I knew I liked being physically active. I knew I liked training and lifting weights and watching Arnold and all that stuff. So I started going. And in the beginning, it was a situation where at the time, I mean, I was 17. I couldn't afford to get in. My dad, he said, all right, look, you know, you want to do this. You're doing an internship in some capacity.

I will basically foot the bill to get you to do this because you say you want to learn how to do it. Then I want you to learn how to do it right. So that turned into a four-year on and off relationship where I was actually starting school and all through college, I would come back and in the summer times, I would always train with Ian. And that's kind of what I did.

That gave me the foundation of everything I know today about strength training. I didn't even know how to bench press. I didn't even know how to do nothing. I knew nothing about anatomy, nothing about exercise, phys. All of that took off. But to your earlier question, I mean, yeah, that was a big investment. Big monetary investment, big investment of time.

I trained with him five days a week in the summer times. Wow. And Ian, I mean, I'm sure Ian's probably charging now. I mean, probably $250, $350 a session now. I mean, I'm sure. The guy, the athletes he's with, I mean,'m sure Ian's probably charging now. I mean probably $250, $350 a session now. I mean I'm sure. The guy – the athletes he's with, I mean what do they care? They make $10 million a year. But yeah, unbelievable.

And seeing – see, I don't do classes. I've never done that. I don't have a boot camp mentality. Frankly, I have a fundamental issue with camps or classes in general. I just don't like them. I think there's too much missing. But doing it his way and learning only the one-on-one training method taught me how to do what I do today perfectly. Couldn't be any better. I modeled everything I built off of his model at a smaller scale. That's essentially if you'd asked me at the beginning of this,

how do you want this to look? I'd be like, I want performance enhancement professionals, but I want it for gen pop. I want normal people to be able to go to Ian's for less money. That's the way I kind of thought about it in my head. Yeah, well, he has a gym, and then he has a section of his gym where he gives people post-workout nutrition, And then he has a section of his gym where he gives people like post-workout nutrition. And then the upstairs of his gym is all devoted to recovery.

And guys are in there eating and they got the things blown up on their legs and sauna and all the other shit they got up there. And even he, see, I got to get him one of the ice tubs too because he's got one. But his is like you have to shovel the ice in there every time. I know because I did that. I'm like, all right, I'm going to fill up the tub and shovel in ice every time. Even he, his methods, at least when I was there, he wasn't quite doing it the way that we're doing it now. And that's also fun as well when you start doing your schooling or your method. I'm almost done with my master's. I got one more class left.

When you do that kind of thing and you have practical knowledge going with it. And that's what I found to be so much fun about all the things we're doing kind of together. I'm doing a lot of research from the schooling side. And I'm also doing all the clients. And I'm being able to build actual physical things that complement both. Put them together and give them to human beings. actual physical things that complement both put them together and give them to human beings that's the big i think drawback and justifiably so to these kind of over-educated phd trainers so oftentimes where you're like okay yeah you know doctor whatever but you don't actually

have any experience with any real people you're a professional student i never wanted to really do that and i never saw myself as you know going this far in school. But I see a real value in being able to bring that from all areas but especially with the educational side as well. Now, it's pretty awesome that you've been able to get the best of both worlds. Like you are going to school, getting all of that side. You're practically working with people and you're seeing what works. From what you've been learning in school and what you've been learning practically in training with trainers on the field and learning with trainers on the field, where have you seen, where have you seen your schooling may be behind as far as ex-phys is concerned? Do you think it's, do you think it's keeping up with what we're learning right now in the field? Or is there anything that you've been

doing that you've been like, ah, this is a little bit outdated, or this is a little bit behind? Because a lot of people, um, when they're getting into the idea of wanting to learn and train with people, they, they, if they haven't been listening to people in the field, people doing shows like yours and ours, they may think that the they get on the field. They're like, oh, shit, I really don't even know what the fuck to do when I'm working with somebody or what works or how to deal with different types of populations. So where do you feel if there is anywhere? I don't want to assume. But if there's anywhere that the schooling is falling behind, where would it be? Well, I can speak to the areas of schooling that I've focused on. Yeah, just where you're doing. Yeah, from what I've studied in most of my research thus far, and I'm in a capstone class, so I'm actually able to kind of hone it in on one subject, and that is on recovery. Recovery and specifically contrast therapy, that's one area where the schooling is, I think, way behind the actual practical.

And that is because the schooling, the overall consensus from the entire community is that we don't know. That's the answer to the question of whether or not the contrast therapy actually does anything, whether or not it helps with recovery, whether or not it cuts down into your hypertrophy and you actually lose muscle mass. The overall consensus is we don't know. We need more research. So there's one area where, you know, that could be something where, okay, we need more schooling in order to actually come up with real data. And the only way to get real data on this is to use real people. And I haven't actually, I haven't found a study that's done it kind of the way I want to do it. And it's, it's a very, you sort of have to have a few things in place just to conduct the research that I want to do.

Namely, you have to have the contrast therapy ready to go right after you do the high-intensity interval training or whatever it is you want to do phase one. You have to have those things both on hand, both ready to go. So you're already kind of cutting the margin because you have to have an elite training facility just to even do the research, period. That's one area where I think the schooling is definitely behind. I've found numerous other areas where you'll have high-level coaches that'll have certain – I don't think a degree really means all that much. I do see the value in doing it because it does bring sort of justification to the words you speak, But I have found numerous areas. One

subject I just talked about was the subject of velocity training and how exactly that can be implemented into powerlifting. And I didn't know anything about that. So that was one area where schooling really helped me out. But by and large, I think most people learn a lot more from the practical. So is the schooling behind? Is practical more important? I would say yes, practical is more important. And a coach that had to choose between one should always go with the practical. Yeah, I think that answered the question.

What do people need and what do they not need when they're starting a garage gym with the intention to like train people wow that's a good question well the first thing i think you need to have is some kind of a vision on what demographic you want to train like how you want to do it see because if i want to be a boot camp leader if you want to do it. See, because if I want to be a bootcamp leader, if I want to do a classroom type setting, then I'm going to probably select a different assortment of equipment than I am if I'm going to be a one-on-one guy. See, everything that I put in my facility, and again, I had a great mentor. I saw what one-on-one looked like in person. And I could call up Brian, who's the PT guy over at PEP,

or I could text Ian and say, hey, what is this? Where did you get this? I had that at my disposal. Most people don't. I suppose they have me, but that's not, I don't think the same. In order to understand where to even start your vision, you first have to understand what you want to do with it. Like who do you want to train and in what capacity?

How many people do you want to do? If we were talking specifics on equipment, I mean, of course, I would say probably dumbbells, a rack, some weights, a functional trainer. I'd probably go free motion or maybe tough stuff, something like that. That's something that I would definitely implement. I've changed my opinion on that one quite a bit. I used to have one of the vertical uh functional trainers we just go up and down up and down having the one now with the arms i don't know do y'all have you'll have one of those the one that see i didn't i didn't notice one that's changed a lot for me and specifically we have uh we have like the cable crossover kind

of deal so we have which is which is what i had this will show the difference pretty good that's the old one and then we'll pay him that's the new one that is so sick i love this machine right yeah those are great those are pretty fucking awesome you guys got to get in touch with so much uh plate snacks plate snacks you ever seen that guy's company no oh dude so look at this so plate snacks he designs these dk he and i worked on this to design the decals that'll go over your old plates so if you have old busted plates you can cover them make your own stuff that's our logo and the comic book number and he's a he's a big fan he loves what we do he's always messaging me but and that's again that's such a nice machine that's beautiful it's gorgeous

i want one of those big time with the leds that's sick yeah i got the one that just has like the the pulleys just go up and down on the sides yeah it's like always almost perfect but it's good enough you know for a home gym for me my biggest beef with it was it could not do uh flies i couldn't do wide flies i would always kind of come to here and that was about it with those i mean i can expand the arms out six feet in each direction and even in my small space, it works. I can do all the movements with that thing. And that's another big point to bring up. When you're doing an at-home garage gym, you have to factor in footprint quite heavily whenever you're purchasing. You have to

not only think of, okay, the actual footprint of the machine, but you have to think about the workable footprint on movement, like that you can't just have the small because the tough tough stuff has really small footprint it's only like two by four but the arms go out six feet in other directions you need to make sure you have the space to do that that is a big point um just organization that's a big thing you're going to have to have if you are somebody who wants to build from um from home And you want to do that from the exercise side of things. There's, there's so much more at the expansion of the brand, uh, be creative. That's something that I would really, really emphasize for me. That was second nature. I've

always had a very, uh, kind of somewhat crazy mind. I always am always thinking I'm always just kind of creating in my head since I was a little kid. That's I, I, I like to draw. I like to create in that way, but I found a very fun integration of that into our gym and into the business. And that's, you know, bringing on Eli, he's the same way. He's everybody's creative as I am. And so much of the content that we've created has been the collaboration of both our minds. He and I think in very different ways. That's another really important topic.

Get people around you that think differently from you. Get people around you that are smarter than you in areas where you know, you're weak. That's a, that's a big, that, that applies to anything of course, but to,

uh, to doing this, I really see this as a big big future for the industry trainers doing this from their home that's that's it i mean right off the bat you'll realize once you start doing this i mean first off everything for me is a write-off everything my srp all my equipment my electric bill my water bill everything i do is a tax write-off and all the stuff that I build, it's all in-house. So my house is a tax, you know, all of you will have an amazing, just from the business side of things, from doing this kind of thing at home,

at-home businesses flourish because of that. But an at-home gym business, because if you're going to take it really seriously and you're going to put, you know, 100, 200K into whatever your equipment will be, you're going to need to know what you stand to make on the back end and how you will save money on your overhead. That's the thing that kills most trainers. They go out, they try to go from, you know, going from point A to point B. If point A is LA Fitness where there is no overhead, you know, you just have to pay the fee for the gym and then you go out and you do your own thing. But if you make that step, okay, well now all of a sudden I got $3,600 a month where I have to pay that no matter what happens. And I'm, maybe I'm leading a class, maybe I'm doing private training, but most likely

not. Most trainers cannot survive doing one-on-one. And that's, again, it's why our brand is just kind of unique because the only way we'd be able to get to this point we built slowly extremely slowly this is he made a video last month i'll find it send it to you guys where it's kind of uh the gym now like how it was then and how it is now and it shows how before we had lighting before we had anything you know seven years ago when i started doing this the only way that it was able to do this is because i was, uh, I, you know, at that point,

I would comfortably say I had some vision. I knew what I wanted to do. And I was willing to reinvest almost all my earnings back into this with the goal of, okay, well, here's where I'm at. Here's five years, here's 10 years, and we're at seven years. So I'd say in my mind, we've probably exceeded my five-year goal. But I'm still thinking about 10 years. I'm still thinking, I'm still thinking, I'm still thinking, but I didn't make any money for five years. And that's uncomfortable. Some people hear that and they're like, whoa, I can't not make any money for five years. But I didn't. I lived off $30,000 a year maybe.

I'm a single guy. Who cares? It doesn't matter. But everything I did was an investment for the future, for the future of me, for the future of the brand. And he's not in the room, so I'm a little bit more comfortable complimenting him without him sitting there. But he came to me. He's got a degree in marketing he tcu he got out and he told me he goes um um you know i don't think you know what it is you're doing you you you think of yourself

as a trainer in your garage that's fine that's wrong you don't realize where the expansion of your brand can go here's what we need to. He's the reason we have the funnels from all of the social media markets. And we have a Vimeo channel where people get subscription models where they can see all of our movement patterns. And we can do, you know, obviously custom online training and we can do the in-person training, but all of that brand awareness and creating that because it is a full-time thing. And I wouldn't be able to do it. Couldn't do it. Not a chance. Having somebody like that who understands that, because it is a full-time thing. And I wouldn't be able to do it. Couldn't do it. Not a chance. Having somebody like that who understands that, that's where the expansion can go for

somebody who wants to go from being a garage gym owner to a garage gym empire. Creating the idea of a franchise. And that's another thing that can happen. If your brand has recognition and awareness, and you get to those 1, 2, 300,000 followers, so on and so forth, people start to now – they want to be a part of it. How do I do that? What should I do? Okay, well, now we can create a curriculum. We can make a program.

We can get to you and say, all right, here's a list of all the equipment manufacturers we work with. Here's their affiliation codes. Here's the discounts if you go through us. Here's the X amount of dollars to get you to this stage x amount to get you here here's our programming you can make modules on how this isn't even we haven't even talked about training like you can create training modules based on you know because we're doing our the contrast therapy the strength training all that all that goes in this all of this is scalable all of it is scalable for the garage gym owner to create more and more and more in a larger empire. And that's what's so exciting about it is that we're getting to kind of live it

and it's going at a rate that is, you know, we're happy with it. All of that is, yeah, all that is to say that this is not, this is not as limited as people think it will be. Because of course, in my mind, especially, I was totally guilty of this. Before he came on board, I was thinking, all right, well, you know, all right, let's be optimistic. I can charge $150 a session, but I'm still going to be capped at whatever that comes out to in a year. I mean, let's say I train nine hours a day. Well, I'm going to definitely get burned out at nine hours a day. I mean, I'll do it, $150 an hour, nine hours a day.

I mean, that's good money. But I'm still capped. The more you realize that there is real, real chance inside of online expansion for this to never have a ceiling, for it to just keep going and keep growing and to create a brand that will grow on itself and work for you, that will grow on itself and work for you, that is where you can really take something that is just a one-on-one operation and make it into an actual, I love the word empire, just make it into that. Yeah.

I think I like what you said in the beginning. You mentioned building off of a vision. You said you have to have a vision and then off the vision, you're going to make decisions. And I think that that is a really good recommendation for people. It all starts with an idea. It starts with a concept. It starts with an invention.

And then it starts with some sort of action towards that. And what you said, I kind of, like reading between the lines, it doesn't fucking matter what you get. It doesn't matter what you have. It matters who you are and what you've become and what you're able to share because people people just want to get in shape they don't give a fuck and they don't know what works and what doesn't work i think in seem at his house you have a couple kettlebells you have a jump rope right kettlebells jump rope uh slant board i recently got some the base box equipment since i'm doing a lot of calisthenics but it's minimal yeah i'd go train with him you know if he was like dude like hey

you know come come train with me i'm gonna help you uh oh yeah because he's he's who he is people jiu-jitsu yeah like you know i'm be like fuck okay well he's pretty fucking jack looks like he knows what he's doing oh yeah and so people having a good they don't have to be as advanced as he is but um people having some sort of good base originally and having some sort of knowledge is really all you kind of need. You don't need a lot more, although it helps because then you can charge more and you open up your garage door and there's like real shit in there. It's not just a kettlebell. That does help a lot. But just to get started, it doesn't matter if you spend $300 or if you spend $30,000.

Amen. Just get started. And hopefully, in getting started, you at least have some knowledge and you have a vision and an idea to base everything off of. Oh, yeah. And to piggyback off what you just said about, you know, people are paying for you. People want to see, you know, all sides of you. They want to see all sides of you. They want to work with whatever it is that you're doing. They're buying your presence as much as the most people don't care about what kind of equipment you have.

I mean, yeah, they'll come in. They'll be like, whoa, this is amazing. But that's not why they're there. People oftentimes are attracted to the trainer much more than the training. They want to be a part of the energy that you bring. And that's another reason why you have to love what you're doing in this industry. You got to be real excited about your training methods and what you get to do. And I, oh my God, I don't know what it's like to go to work.

I don't know what that feels like to get up and have to go to work. I never work. I work seven days a week all day long because I never work. to work i never work i i work seven days a week all day long because i never work that is the kind of energy that i bring to the clients to the experience and to the content everything we do is so much fun and you know again this is a perfect the the models i paint you know that's something you know that has nothing to do with anything but people see that they're like wow this guy's like nerdy and kind of relatable and like yeah all right i could see myself working with him i mean he's you know he's kind of a normal guy he's got some weird you know thing going on on the side that's fine that's a big

part of it and the vision has to be reflective of that you've got to know yeah the vision pertains to how you want to train but you need to also understand that your vision needs to come from you it's got to be apart from, you know, who you are. If you can't make that happen, you can't, you know, I've never been a real big fan of the fake it till you make it saying, because I feel like if you fake it long enough, people are going to know that people are going to recognize it, that you're faking it. Like be real about it until you make it or you don't, but always be real about it. There's way too many people, especially in this industry, faking it until you make it. Or you don't, but always be real about it. There's way too many people, especially in this industry, faking it until they make it.

What you said there is super important because, like, I think people really, if someone is showing the process of how they're getting somewhere, people really actually appreciate that. You know what I mean? Like, people appreciate when you're starting a new endeavor and they see when you actually are not the greatest at it and then as you progress to it. Same thing when you're starting a new type of gym out of your garage or whatever it is. If you start with a few pieces but you're really good at what you do, people will appreciate that if you can get them what they're looking for. And then as you expand and you do more and more and more, they like seeing the growth. They don't like it. So I agree with you on that.

That's very true. They love the struggle. And who wouldn't i mean because that's what everybody does i think that's one of the only things we all have in common every single one of us will struggle and being around people who have struggled and succeeded that's magnetic it's why i mean i can just i can feel the energy in this room i mean all three of us are kind of on the same wavelength and we get to bring some of that to people who perhaps aren't somebody who isn't living the dream they hoped they would, somebody who doesn't have it all the way they want it. And not to say that any one of us does, but bringing that to your vision for your brand. And especially if you are trying to do something

on your own, from your house, original to you, That has to be there. It's got to be at the forefront of you as a company. You've got to be able to bring that to the person looking at you. It's so huge. What has some of these, I don't know if you trail run or if you just go on, walk on trails, but what has that done for you mentally? Because you mentioned the cold and hot therapy doing some really cool shit for you mentally.

Where has that taken you? Trail, oh, like hiking and hiking that's what i meant yeah yeah well i've yeah i've i've been a avid hiker since i was a little kid my dad used to take us to camelback mountain honestly probably since i was born he did it since he was a younger man so he didn't me on the back uh i love it i I love it. That's the thing where, I mean, I, there's, there's very few things in life where I'm like, yeah, I'll challenge anybody.

Like, no, I'm not, I'm never going to out bench or deadlift any of you guys. But like, if you come to AZ and we try to hike Camelback mountain, I'll be, I'll be just about anybody up that mountain for,

for a while. I had, I had a record. I don't know what happened to it now, but yeah, that's the thing I do probably the most consistently still to this day. It's just amazing. How many miles is it? It's not that far.

Camelback specifically, it's not that far. It's really, it's under two, under two miles. It's just vertical. It's straight up. It's right in, it's kind of near Ian's. It's like Scottsdale, right in the heart of Scottsdale. Everyone hikes it bro people die there all the time it's not so he is fall more people die there than everest no whoa because there's thousands of people hiking it and the thing is in the summer people don't get it they go there and they're like okay it's

scottsdale yeah it's in the middle of the day but howtsdale. Yeah, it's in the middle of the day, but how bad could it really be? It's in the middle of Scottsdale. There was a chick last year that died. Get this. She went there on like a Tinder date, and the dude left her halfway, and she died. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, it's just 23 – well, it took you 20. Okay, you did it fast. I did it fast.

So that's 23 minutes is fast. So what do usually average people go up there? What are they expecting to do? Like maybe an hour? Yeah, I would say average people could probably break an hour. Probably between 40 to 50 minutes, something like that. Yeah, with something like that, because it's such an anaerobic form of cardio, there really isn't that much room for change in time like they're dying because the

heat yeah that you not not like falling to their death they're dying well one dude got attacked by bees and he fell off a cliff mostly though mostly it's the heat mostly people get they get disoriented they it's also not really that clearly marked so the trail trailhead, as you go up, it's serpentines. And people who don't know it, they go up there in the summer. There's no one on it. There's nobody on the mountain. So they get lost. And then they get stuck.

And so, yeah, they've had people usually like, I think, maybe one or two people a year. You totally sold me on it and totally convinced me to not go. Yeah, well, when we go, we got to go with this guy. He has to take us up. Oh, I love when we go, we got to go with this guy. Oh, it's a blast. Oh, I love that. Are you running it? I do, yeah. Yeah.

They call it, you know, rucking because it's kind of running, but not really. You're sort of just keeping that pace going. You can't always run, too, because, like, there's people and there's bikes. That's not. That's a flat iron. There are some, truly, some of the best hiking I've ever found in the world in Arizona. Arizona's got some beautiful hiking. Oh, that's amazing. So that's Flatiron.

That's the Superstition Mounds. That's much longer. Why do they call it the Superstition Mounds? There was apparently a giant chest of gold that was left up there. And because of that, all these people started going up there and tried to find it. And they ended up all dying like people would just go in this is back before i guess arizona was like even colonized or something so people would just go up there and just like try to find it and they would die arizona in the summer is not to be messed with if you're not used to it it's because you're talking temperatures of 110 112 maybe even higher sometimes.

It can get rough out there in AZ. That is wild. You probably need to, when you do stuff like that, you probably need to be well-equipped. You probably need water and electrolytes and snacks and shit like that. Even though you're going quick, something could happen. So for Camelback, for me, I mean, I'll bring a water bottle

like this just because i know i'm up in 23 i'm down in 15 i'm done it's not that big of a deal that guy i mean i took a picture with him because i was just so inspired he made it can't believe he made it it's awesome it's amazing he did it the way you said that he made it i can't believe he made it but he made it god damn the bigger guy honestly, when I saw him, and his youth is what is doing it for him at this time. Again, I'm happy he's doing it. Don't know how safe it is. I saw a guy drop dead in front of his daughter once.

You saw it in person? Dude, I've seen three people die in front of me on Camelback Mountain. I saw one girl fall, like, free soloing. She fell, like, 100 feet and hit the ground. That was a rough one. I saw that. I saw a guy drop dead of a heart attack in front of his kid. And then the third one was that girl I mentioned who went there,

and the guy left her. And that one, I actually didn't see her die. I just saw it when they found her. But, yeah, it's rough. Arizona can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing but good for him man i mean do you uh you listen to music when you're doing that are you trying to just to be connected to nature or how's it go for you it depends um usually music if i'm being honest um i i sometimes i don't and it's not even just to be with nature i I actually love the opportunity to, especially on the way down,

to interact with people because I found it's a pretty cool conversation starter when I go up and then I come back down because usually the people that I see going back down, they're always like, whoa, did you already get it? I'm like, yeah, man, I did. Good for you. They're like, oh, cool. What do you do? And then occasionally I'll tell them.

It's a cool way to start the conversation about training or anything like that. So I'll keep the music off. But it depends. On the way up, I usually put it in, zone out, and just huck it up there. Paparazzi family, how's it going? Now, we like to look good in the gym and out of the gym. That's why you always see Mark and I and Andrew is stepping up on the short, short game. Wearing shorts from Viore and clothes from the Ori.

And honestly, the number one compliment that I've seen that I've gotten, and even Mark's gotten is, damn, your butt looks good. And that's because, well, the clothes we wear make our booties look delicious. Andrew, how can they get it? Yeah, you guys both have pretty big wagons. You guys can head over to viore.com slash power project. pretty big wagons uh you guys can head over to viore.com slash power project that's v-u-o-r-i dot com slash power project to receive 20 off the most amazing apparel that looks so good inside and outside it's gonna make your ass look fat and your ass will look fat links to them down in the

description as well as the podcast show notes uh god damn it that's a good one make your ass look fat what have you found has happened to your feet because you said you've been uh wearing those vibrams for a year now right so have you noticed a difference in like because like for example we wear vivos they're barefoot shoes right yeah wider the minimal sole um even andrew has mentioned how he notices how his feet have gotten stronger. Way stronger. So how have you noticed, like, what kind of change have you noticed wearing the Vibrums? Because they're also pretty minimal type of shoes.

Oh, yeah. Big time. So I was wearing, I think I was wearing Adidas prior to this. Yeah. And my feet, I was just wearing normal shoes. My feet were always hurting. And I'm always on my feet because I'm training. I'm always standing and moving and all that stuff. Yeah. My feet, when I would and moving and all that stuff yeah my feet when i would go to bed they would hurt and

when i would wake up they would hurt they would just hurt now i was thinking what is this and so i uh seen you still hiked a lot right yeah you're still doing that oh yeah i was still doing it but i was wearing hiking shoes big thick soles you know i was wearing a nike trail runner the horse pass ones which are great shoes for that sort of thing. I've completely shifted my mentality on feet. Just totally. The big thing that did it in for me was a combination of two things. Seedman had something.

Dr. Joe Seedman, he was talking about this on one of the podcasts I heard him in. And Stick Mobility had a – they have a certification and they were talking about neural drive and how feet, hands and feet – I mean you know where I'm going with this. Hands and feet are the beginnings of that. And essentially when we wear shoes, you're coddling that arch your entire life. You don't realize it. Your heel is up here and your toe is down here. Why is that? That's wrong.

That's not right. All shoe companies are designed for you to wear the shoes, wear them out. Your feet hurt, so you need more shoes. And you keep going. You keep going. They're designed, first and foremost, as a product, not as a, you know, they're not designed to make you a better person. They're designed to get you to buy more shoes. And they look cool.

But what I have found is that now changing my mentality toward feet as opposed to, you know, okay, I need to wear thicker shoes to keep my feet safe. No, now I'm doing the opposite. Now I'm going a minimalist way to strengthen my feet. I want to train through these problems as opposed to like training around them. So that's what I have found. And I'll say this right out of the gate. You know, you mentioned this because I do hike in Vibram. I do.

I didn't do that in the beginning. And if anybody is making a transition from normal to minimalist shoes in any capacity, no matter what shoe it is, don't go run a marathon your first week doing this. Not even exercising in them. And I didn't do hiking in my Vibrams for at least 60 days. I wore them. I got used to training in them. And then I realized, like, wow, my feet don't hurt, like, at all. Yeah. Like, I wake up. I'm ready to go. I'm fine.

Because you're always in the same exact position all the time because your feet are barefoot pretty much. I mean, there is nothing on this. It's like, I don't know, a centimeter thick sole. Have you ever tried Vivos or no? No. I know about them. Again, I think that's the brand. I think that's who Seaton was talking about.

It is. Because Seaton uses those too. Yeah, they're wider, right? Yeah. They're wide and... They're literally like this. Yeah. So these are one of their trail running shoes.

But I wear these out in the gym too. There there's a lot uh but literally they're they're super minimal you can fucking yeah just bend them up into a ball yeah they're they're they're fucking sick and andrew like i think it made it's made the biggest difference for him than anybody else it's been huge so like like um it was funny because i walked on it yesterday but like you know the um like the yellow like bumpy like caution things when you're walking on a sidewalk. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

For the blind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So like, I would walk on those with like normal shoes and be like, ow, ow, like it would hurt. Like I'd have to like be super light or like even barefoot, like in the kitchen, I'd be

like, ah, I gotta go get my slippers. Yeah. In the kitchen. Dude. Now it's night and day difference. Like I've been wearing them for probably a little bit over three months now, but even before that, like they've gotten so much stronger to where where I can walk over rocks and shit and not really notice. I notice, but I just feel it.

It's no longer like, oh, yeah, I hurt myself. It's like I had no idea that I had such weak feet. I knew they weren't strong. Me too. But I didn't think I was like – it was like a detriment. I just thought it was like, oh, that's just what happens when you get older. And as somebody who, I mean, every single person in this room trains exceptionally hard, more than almost anybody else we know, to have this part on our body that is so important. I mean, your feet, you're literally using them every single day,

no matter what you do. And they all suck. That is crazy. We've literally been sold a lie. It's a giant lie that we should be wearing shoes. Who in the world thought that was a good idea? It's crazy. But it has changed everything for me. Now, I mean, when I have noticed, first off, anatomically, my feet, I have noticed when I look at them, are thicker. My foot is actually thicker. I thought I had a fat foot already.

Like, yeah, it's made a difference. I'm like, whoa. I'm noticing this. I'm not going to tell anybody until now on this massive podcast. I have bigger feet. It got bigger when I stopped wearing shoes. Exactly. Like that.

And now I have noticed that when I hike with them. Well, I mean, there's the the pump so maybe that's what i was thinking it was it was working that's fine you know it's a combination of the pump and the vivo shoes made my whoa this is amazing guys uh but yeah the um the thing that i would advise trying and this may be something that, you know, y'all haven't done yet. The I would love to try those for training, for hiking, having the independent fingers. I have noticed that I am actually able. This is this is whack.

I'm able to grab rocks when I rock, when I hike my feet. And because I am going up the same exact trail that I did for my entire life. And I'm noticing that I am able to I am so much more sure on my feet and because i am going up the same exact trail that i did for my entire life and i'm noticing that i am able to i am so much more sure on my feet because my toe i can literally grab like i'm grabbing it with the independence of each one of those toes yeah now you know could i do that in those i don't know they're both minimalist shoes so it would certainly be better wearing those than just about anything else you could ever wear. But I love the independence of each toe because it allows me to do that. You have a point. I know what you, I can, I can understand what you're talking about there. Yeah. I think there is also, and don't quote me on this, but I think there is also some research to back

that the individuality of each toe on the vibram will help eliminate that this inevitably happens to us as we get older especially because we wear closed-toed shoes our whole lives toes will naturally you ever see that like an old person's toes will cross over i know that people with again i had a client with restless leg syndrome wore these so his toes would never would not do that so his toes would not cross over. So I think by wearing these, it will stop or at least slow the process of that potentially happening as you get older and as you age. Yeah. Well, like my son, you know, well, it's been a while, but like he'll like just grab stuff

with his feet and then people are just like, oh my gosh, that's incredible. And I'm like, I think we've all had that ability, but one day we caged our feet and we never let them out. Yeah. You know, we lost the, like, just dexterity, I guess I'll say. I don't think that's the right word, but. It is. Yeah.

So like, he can do it just fine because he's never been in a shoe before. He's always, and when we're kids, we're always barefoot. We run around barefoot all the time. And then again, I don't know what happened. All of a sudden you're like, hey man, you can't wear that into the boardroom. I'm like, oh really? Fine. All right.

I guess I'll just never, you know, I'll wear shoes for the rest of my life yeah and that sucks it's it's so it's do you feel like you when you're wearing these it's like at any point in the day i could just burst into a sprint yep i just feel like wearing like it's not like with shoes i don't know it's like okay well let me get on the elliptical for a little bit and then maybe i'll maybe i'll be able to do some sprints i feel like i could go and just sprint right now like even these the shoes move like i still like my jordans and shit like that i'll wear those if i'm just trying to like have something stylish on sure but if i'm walking if i'm going to be on my feet no i want to be able to feel the ground and move like your feet feel stronger you think

about it you're in the gym obviously like you know producing force trying to produce like most people do have weak feet now you're trying to produce force through weak a weak base shit yeah and then my like my wife she's not like super clumsy or anything but when she's now wearing vivo shoes all the time now and same thing she's like she tried to put on like a regular thick sold shoe and she started like tripping all over the place she's like i had no idea how like uncoordinated i was with these thick sold shoes she's like yeah she got rid of them and so now she's just wearing the vivo barefoot shoes all everywhere oh yeah and if you're doing anything active like think like hiking basketball

players they roll their ankles they hurt their knees all the time and it's all connected your feet your knees your hips it all goes up and starting down there i mean that's i i'm somebody who because i've always been so you know outdoorsy and doing the hike and doing all that stuff i've rolled my ankle i've broke my foot three times i've rolled my ankle i don't know how many times but since i started doing like i mentioned i started doing the work on the the uh the astronaut band doing all the tibialis stuff and working and doing the barefoot all together. I haven't had anything in a year. I haven't rolled my ankle once in a year. It's incredible, and it's so easy.

No one knows it. It's almost like not an accident. We don't know about it. It seems like it's been done on purpose. Nothing would surprise me. What are some of the best pieces of equipment that you've seen in the last couple years oh since you get exposed to so many different things you know oh that is fun that's that's the other thing is when i tell people i'm like yeah i'm totally

nerdy i'm like yeah i'm science nerdy i'm comic book nerdy but i'm also an equipment junkie i love that i love learning you know the the new cutting edge stuff that and what does it do like how does it enter how does it interact with the body what new cutting edge stuff. What does it do? How does it interact with the body? What does it do for injuries? I just love all that. You were telling me about the barbell that you kind of squeeze. I saw the centrifugal force kind of dumbbell things. Those look interesting. So the squeeze bar, I haven't gotten yet. I haven't tried it yet. So the jury's still out on that one. But I can tell you that from the experience I've had

first off the XPT Power Rack. You ever heard of that thing? I don't believe so. The XPT Power Rack. Just stop me when you want to see it. Let's see if we can find it on here. Let's scroll down. XPT Power Rack. We haven't done that much with it

recently. Okay, go down. See what she's using there? No, no, no, you missed it. See the private training 101? That one, yeah. If you play that video, she's in the center square using it. Wait until it kind of goes. It's like a Smith machine is how I describe it, but it's not.

Yeah, right there. It's got a brake system on each one of the handles. And essentially what it does is it moves in two planes of motion. It moves up and down, of course, like a Smith machine, but it also moves back and forth. So when you engage this, it feels free motion. It feels literally like it's entirely free. And because it has that brake system to it, you can do ballistic training. You can do ballistic-based reps where what I'll have my clients do is,

my personal favorite is an RDL. So I'll have my clients, they'll engage the brake system, lift off, so now it's free. They'll go down slowly. They'll go to the base of the RDL. They'll do like three-quarter movements. Then they'll explode, come up, and let go.

And as soon as you let go, it locks. So it serves two purposes. You can do the ballistic pattern movements for like high level athletes and that kind of thing and most of the time it's anybody who i'm having doing that sort of thing understands anatomy understands what i wanted to do it's not a beginner movement but there's also a safety factor to it and that's if somebody has like you know just speaking for from a home gym side of, if somebody wanted to do a power lift, or they wanted to do a bench press, for example,

and they didn't have a spotter, and they didn't feel safe, they could let go, and it would just lock right in place. It's the only barbell exercise piece of equipment that I've ever found that does that. It's all from that brake system, just like a bike. You literally engage, and it moves, and you let go, and it locks. That's crazy. Yeah, I'm trying to describe it as best I can.

But again, the XPT Power Rack, we've done a lot of stuff on it, but I think it was a little bit earlier in the content on IG anyway. But yeah, that's a very, very, very good one. Not that bad of a footprint either. Of course, you would have to account for a Smith machine. So figure it's a bigger machine just in general. The SquatMax MD, that's one that we were out there uh playing around with in the gym that is he's gotta be gotta be up there number one or

number two great that you you made a whole chart for it because it can be confusing on how to hit hook up so many different things the thing's very versatile oh that's cool you're seeing the background see it's it's tough to see right there, but if he pauses it, it's in the red, that chart in the background. What I did was I created a cheat sheet that I did based off of belt position,

bar position, and platform position. So each one of those is accounted for. And of course, everybody would need their own cheat sheet in their head to understand it. But for me, I know what it means.

So I can take something like a, you know, if I want to do a lateral step up using the bucket on top of the actual platform, I know it's a bucket. I know the bar position. I know the belt position. So it saves time.

Other than that, the talking about the time it takes to set up, there is nothing wrong with the squat max whatsoever. It is a perfect machine. It feels great for no matter what it is you're trying to do. That's probably my favorite exercise on it, the lateral step up. That's amazing, yeah. The only thing I would also mention is that I told Mark this.

It does not have a good grip on the base. It's slick. Your feet can move around it. Your feet can move around, especially if you're like me and i've got ours outside we i had to put i put grip tape on it's not a big deal but you had to i had to cut and measure and put it all on and now it's fine it's great but uh yeah grip tape and a cheat sheet those are the only things i would recommend other than that i mean brian hennessey's awesome and that's an amazing amazing invention yeah looks like you get a lot of use out of fat grips i do i use like you put them almost everywhere right on all of them i use them all the dumbbells uh fat grips

are great they uh they come in handy a lot for uh bigger guys who want to just you know increase grip strength uh as somebody i did a lot of you know rock climbing as a kid as i mentioned i did gymnastics so i did uh you know that's a lot grip strength you know rings and bars and all that stuff that's huge i see the value in that kind of thing and and ian he's the one who first showed me the the the watson one so that's uh sort of a cheaper version that allows and and i like those more because as i mentioned to you you can take them off for the ladies or anybody who doesn't want that big thick grip, they want a normal bar or they need a normal bar. That'll help. So I like the fat grips.

Yeah, they're good. Have you found that they're really, cause some people don't think that they do really that much for the grip, but have you found that they're very useful? I have. Yeah, that's good.

I found that they do help. I do like them too. They make, um, they also make, I mean, whatever exercise you're doing is about to be heavier. Like it's about to feel a lot tougher.

If you curled the 40s, now you're back at 30s. You're not going to be able to do the same just because your hands are out here. Same with toes and fingers. I think the hands are under-trained. I don't think people take the time because it takes time. I try to hit something forearm-related at least once a week. I try to do a little circuit to train for wrists, hands, and forearms. How do you train your wrists?

Let me ask you. How do you strengthen your wrists? I have little bitch wrists. He actually has big forearms. His forearms are fat. I think a lot has to do with gymnastics. I think it's a lot from that. Forearms, if you look at like like an

athlete like i mean john cena you look at like a person true strength happens at the hands you ever see somebody who's like this is not john cena but anybody who's like they're kind of a smaller person but then you look at their their extremity from here down and you're like you might be a little bit more powerful than people think you are a lot of jujitsu guys have this you've got that lower body because this is where power is implemented in that kind of a sport yeah all of this has to be addressed uh for wrists i love um well i love finger push-ups that's my personal favorite i think those are really cool yeah for the wrist just right here on the ground i love that i love doing that's a that's a bruce lee stuff from back in the day that's like that's a classic that's a good one you know what i really like this is uh forearms and wrists but i

love the uh the roller you ever see the roller you have that yeah get a rack attachable one though do you have one that attaches to the rack no see this is the problem because if you have one that's suspended in the air it's deltoids you're hitting your shoulder just to keep it up. You're like, okay, I'm doing it, yes, but you're not isolating. See, what I'll do is mine attaches to the rack. I think that may be the only Titan Fitness thing I have in my gym. That goes under the rack. That way I don't have to hold it up. All I focus on is the roll pattern.

So it's all wrists, and I'll do 25, 35 pounds. What about just putting your hands over like a barbell? Would that serve a similar purpose? Like you, you grab the, you know, you, you grab the thing or whatever and put your hands over a barbell. So your arms are just resting. Oh, and doing it for the. So, so you still have the same bullshit wrist thing that we have.

It's not, not attached to the rack, but you just put your forearms on top of a barbell that's fixed in the rack. So that's holding all the weight, yeah. Yeah, so you're not just flexing your shoulders. The barbell will inevitably, because I've done it that way, the barbell will dig into your forearm. What about if we use a band?

What, do I have to take everything around here? That could work. A band might work, okay. That could work. Give it a try. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Fat grip pull-ups. everything around here that could work a band might work okay that could work oh yeah yeah yeah that that's good um fat grip pull-ups we have the uh we have the um the rogue the pull-up bar that has the mace heads it's got two four six eight ten different attachments and it's

there's the only one i've seen that does this It's got the big wide mace and the thing. What I'll do is I will do just like I'll just hang. I will just hang. So I'll do a forearm circuit, something that's moving, and then I'll just hang. Why haven't I been hanging with fat grips? We've been doing all this hanging. We haven't been doing it with fat grips. How long can you hang for?

If I go in cold? Oh, boy. Man. You can hang for a little while. Yeah, I can hang for a little while. If it's not fat grips, just a normal bar? Yeah. Yeah, I could probably hang for a few minutes.

I feel like you could probably hang for like three minutes. Yeah. Three minutes plus. Yeah. I would have said two or three. I could probably hang for two or three minutes without stopping. It's that. If you want to get crazy with it you can do um single arm hangs that's another that's another good one that's something i want to build up grabbing right here and grabbing

right here that's that's some really really cool stuff you ever seen that guy who like hangs and then he grabs the plate mr infinity plate yes yeah that guy he's fucking amazing that's insane i've never seen anybody do that he's 43 years old that's nuts it's insane yeah he's aging backwards that's the age is nothing it doesn't mean anything people we've been sold a lot just like the shoes we're not we're not supposed to age the way everybody says we are they want us to age out it's it's yeah man no no no no we can age the reverse if we all if we know what we're doing how do you get your clients to comply with uh the nutrition side of it because they could come to you and they could

train all the time and they can be there seven days a week and they're not going to see much if they got a bunch of body fat covering it all up sadly a lot of times i don't that's the truth of it a lot of times you know i could i could, I could preach it and I, and I, and I do, of course I, I implement a lot of, uh, you know, nutrition based stuff with my clients. I do, I try to get them on a, uh, uh, uh, program through octane fit garage. It's basically a macro count software that we partner with and it allows them to get their macros, track it and get a plan. And of course that varies based on the individual. But, yeah, we have something in place for the people to do.

It's kind of a separate thing from training. So we'll offer training and we'll offer meal plans. And sometimes people will do one or the other, but oftentimes they don't do both. And it's unfortunate. I do, of course, the best I can to implement and to strongly emphasize the importance of that. As you know, it's 80%, 90% of the equation.

So it's pretty much trying to practice what you preach, I think, is the best way to put that into action. So people ask you, hey, what are you doing? I mean, the first thing I tell them, you're like, oh, well, my diet is pretty darn clean. I don't really eat out. I eat a lot of, uh, eat a lot of liver, eat a lot of really, you know, dense protein. I don't even, I don't eat any processed carbohydrates. You know, that's, that's something that I kind of live by, but, uh, you know, it's, it's, it's getting them to, to put that into action. Cause that's the hardest part. A lot of diet is so weird. It's people have weird emotional relationships with food people have

that's oftentimes i think the biggest problem is is it's not the food it's the relationship people have with it people look at you know the food i love these i can't wait like it's just so wrong it's so incorrect and and it's uh i love you know what you said i saw the video you did but you had the change around your neck and you were talking about how we're you know we're losing the battle and the number of people who you who have passed from diabetes and everything. It's just very tragic and sad. Food can kill you just like anything else if taken to excess. I mean food is something that is put here for us to sustain and to enjoy to an extent.

But it's not meant to be this source of pleasure that we just tap into every single time we feel down or depressed or whatever. People are so strange with food. And for me, I just, you know, having a healthy understanding of, you know, what do I need in the day and when should I have it? That's just half the battle right there. Yeah. Practicing that, showing that you're doing that helps with the clients in a big way. Cool. Andrew, want to take us on out of here? You got another question? Just one more small question, just because someone like me, like, let's just say that I was interested in training clients out of my own house. I'm one of those people that's going to like think of the work, not the worst case scenario, but like, oh, the what ifs, what if this, what if that?

Oh, yeah. At what point should somebody start thinking about like insurance and that sort of thing oh i mean probably pretty darn quick if you're going to train anybody out of your house oh yeah you need to get insurance yeah i ended up with uh an umbrella a package this is not as uncommon as you would think there are certainly uh insurance companies in place i have usaa there are certainly programs that are put into place for you training people at home because think about it there are i mean there are put into place for you training people at home. Because think about it. There are, I mean, there's dance instructors, there's, there's Pilates classes out of homes. There are tons of companies that run fitness based things out of their home. So there are insurance companies that are certainly, oh yeah, very, very quickly. Oh, we could get into,

I mean, they're, you know, insurance, HOA. HOA. There are so many things that you need to think about and have understanding of what it is prior to doing something like this in operation. I mean, we try to spell it out as best we can and try to give that to the community. But it's very important to do your homework before you just kind of jump the gun and drop $100,000 on equipment. Your neighbors could be a real bitch about it. You know, your neighbors could be a bunch of pain in the asses because of parking and stuff. If you end up having a following.

Oh yeah, and for us, I'm perfectly located because I'm right by my neighborhood has a community park and I am one house away from that park. So everybody who comes to my house whether it's we just had charity winning by the way she uh she came in yeah yeah she came in dude

her uh her documentary is filmed in our gym her documentary her documentary she just did a document not yet it's coming they just filmed wow very cool she came in she did that uh last week she's here a couple days ago so her whole team i just told them, yeah, park at the park. They had a van and seven or eight people. She had her people. But they're all at the park. You just got to walk 15 yards and you get to my house. Everybody comes in through the back.

Everything is inside. Again, I don't do classes. You need to think this out because, of course, you want to be conscious of your neighbors. You want to be conscious. If people people start complaining well then yeah you're going to have an issue you're going to have yeah yeah yeah so very important and you can also get insurance without having any sort of uh credentials which is interesting but you can do it that way you don't need any certification of any kind of trained people no none it's a it's a standard liability insurance to do the trick right out of the gate

with us doing the um we're doing a swim academy in the back now soon because we're doing that pool yeah we've got uh the uh the instructors and stuff all lined up so i'm gonna have to probably i don't know i'm gonna have to probably open up another insurance branch for that because i know teaching swim lessons in your house is another, there's another liability for sure. Awesome. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you everybody for checking out today's episode. Please make sure you guys like today's episode and subscribe right here on YouTube. If you guys are not subscribed already and drop us a comment down below on anything you guys heard today and anything you found interesting. And if you are on the iTunes or the Spotify side, don't be shy. Come over to YouTube and drop a comment down below as well. And follow the podcast at Mark

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