Mark Bell's Power Project - MBPP EP. 710 - It's An Injury NOT The End Of The World, How To Reinterpret Injuries & Accept Them

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

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to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. What? They see me rolling. Andrew, what's been going on with some of the – give us some updates on your stretching and some of your goadedness and some of your back stuff. What's been going on, dude? Yeah. So before we did the sprinting stuff with Barefoot Sprinter, Graham Tuttle, I was doing – The Barefoot Sprinter. The Barefoot – my bad. I was doing reallytle. I was doing... The barefoot sprinter. The barefoot... My bad.

I was doing really good. I was very consistent. And then after that, my Achilles was doing... It was pretty bad. So when I do my wall work, I'll have to be on my toes. Thank you.

I'll be on my toes with them pointing forward and then I'll flow into them being with my heels out, toes in, and that would absolutely crush me. Like it was very painful. So I had Achilles. Yes. On my right Achilles. So is it an Achilles? And so that like, it bummed me out. So I'd be like, ah, okay, maybe I'll just do like the one, like the first part of it. And then I'll just do the groundwork. And then that turned into like, I'm just going to do the groundwork.

And then that turned into like, I'm going to do one round. And then like, I slowly had to like, like, dude, don't be a bitch. Like you helped me with like the, the, um, so what's the, uh, the, the slingshot, uh, like band called? I don't know. It's like utility band. band called. Like utility band? Utility band. Oh, yeah.

I wrapped your leg up and did some of that. That felt incredible. Compression. I literally felt that in my whole body. I felt it all the way up to my shoulders. It was wild. I wrapped Andrew's calf slash shin. And then because of the utility band, it has a rubber component to it, like a hip circle kind of, like a grippy hip circle.

And I had it on the, the rubber side was out. So that way I had grip. And then like once I wrapped him up, I then just kind of torqued his shin and knee or shin and calf, like inward and outward back and forth, which feels amazing because it's really weird. But that part of your leg, our like lower leg, it like, it ends up like facing the wrong way. And it's odd if you can manipulate it and turn it, like you can even try to do it to yourself sometimes.

You can just grab your own like calf and shin. And if you try to like turn it inward and turn it outward you'll feel that and it's like what the hell why is my leg like facing the wrong way all the time it's odd yeah so i have the i think it's called the infinity loop it's the one that has like the multiple like yep holes in okay so that's what i have at home and so like i tried to mimic that and I did okay. Like I was able to kind of get in there and work it out. And so then that allowed me to kind of get back to it. So I, I was going pretty hard every morning and night. I was doing five rounds. Now five rounds for me, especially the first, like two, even three take a while. So it takes me almost like an hour to get this done every morning and night. So you can imagine once you're like, ah, fuck, I feel pretty good after four. Damn, it's already been 45 minutes. Like I'm just going

to go to bed or I'm going to get my day started now. And then it's like, well, I feel pretty good after three, you know? And then so like I'm having, it's basically like I have this program and if you could equate it to like what you do in the gym, you're just like, dude, that was a pretty hard workout. I don't really need to do the accessories. Like I already did my main movements and then you kind of sneak out of the gym a little early. So I was having that like issue with it. Right. Cause you're doing extra stuff and then it's kind of, it's kind of pulling away from some of the stuff that you like doing previously. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And so like right now I've only had time to do groundwork from go to. And so it's like, okay. And then, so I'm doing that.

And then now I add a little, like little minor tweak to it. So then like the, they just got a little bit harder to do, but what happens? What did you add to it? Uh, added like the,

but my Achilles, like, sorry. Yeah. Um, but I started noticing like, oh man, my knees kind of cracking a lot more now.

Like, damn it. Like what's going on? It's like, obviously cause I'm not moving. I'm not doing the stuff that I'm supposed to do. So getting back to it. Um, so like this morning, you know, I, I woke up early. I got all five rounds in, I feel fantastic. But one thing, what I was telling in SEMA, you know, cause so my back's been feeling great. So I'm feeling like way better. Uh, when we ran, I didn't feel any pain. Uh, just, I can see the light, you know, like it's coming. Like I'm going to be pain-free very soon here to where I wake up every day and

I'm not in pain. But after talking to JL, you know, what JL told me off air, he was just like, if somebody has all the tools and all the instruction on how to fix something and they don't do it, it's a mental thing. It's no longer a physical thing at that point, because you have everything you need, but you're not doing it. It's like, okay. Trying to hold back tears in front of this fucking monster, you know, just like, oh my gosh, when Graham was here, you know, before the podcast, he's massaging, he's doing all these things. He's like, dude, I can see it. Like you're wearing it. He's like, this is like a, not, not your identity, but he's like, you know, the way you're like, you're hunched over, you're like, you know, you're wearing it. He's like, also said, it's like a mental thing. Right.

So what I was telling you in SEMA, like there's times where like, I'm completely out asleep in bed, but I hear my son rolling over and I'm like, Oh no, he's going to fall off the bed. I'll jump out of bed and ready to catch him. Like, Oh, I, I've said in the past, the worst part of my day is getting out of bed because it's so painful yet here i am fucking leaping out of bed because i'm worried about my son or worried about my dog like about to like pee on the carpet or something i'll jump out of bed for that shit and not have any pain and then so like i'll sit there in the morning and i'll just think about those things and be like dude your back doesn't even hurt. Like you're fine. Like you have proof. Like remember the other night when you got out of bed and it didn't hurt at all.

Yeah. Okay. So I'll just tell myself like, dude, your back doesn't even hurt anymore. And I'll get out of bed and my back doesn't hurt at all, which is fucking weird to like even say that it's like embarrassing. Right. Cause here I am years of back pain and all I had to do was just tell myself my back didn't hurt like hold on so like it's embarrassing to say that out loud because a lot of people are going to talk shit doesn't I don't really care but there are times where like I'll remember like oh if I'm standing up and I have to get you know this bottle like oh this is gonna hurt I gotta brace myself and I'll do it and I'm like yep it hurt like wait you fucking idiot like I'll do it and I'm like, Oh yeah, it hurt. Like, wait, you fucking idiot. Like I'll literally rewind and be like, that's not going to hurt. And I'll, I'll reach down again and it

doesn't hurt. I, I, it's, I can't explain it. I know it's in conjunction with what I'm doing with Gota because before that I didn't have any, any positive feedback coming in to be like, wow, that did help. I'll, I'll still wake up stiff and i'll be like oh like it's like this morning was kind of like like man i don't know i slept wrong something weird i'll do my groundwork i'll do my wall work and i feel great again so it's absolutely working for me and um it's just perfect timing of everything to have two people that you know made a very bold not bold but big statement and seems over here doing some air squats some squats i'm excited to talk about those but it's just perfect timing to have you hear that i did hear that that was tight to have

gary scheffler working with me have jl, have Graham both tell me about the mental side of things. All of it just kind of happened all at once. And then, yeah, dude, so like it's kind of amazing. Like I'm already contacting certain people like the like somebody that has a contact with Waza to be like. To be like, hey, dude, like I don't want to be one of those guys that says when this I'll do that. I'm like, but my back's getting better. I'm like, once I'm ready, I'm definitely going to go give it a shot. And Waz is jujitsu.

It's a jujitsu school. Jujitsu school in Elk Grove in my hood. I'm already preparing for not being in pain and being able to handle this shit. Yeah. So that's... Oh, you got blocked. That was bullshit. That was bullshit.

Dude, that was goaltending. No, that was goaltending for us. Dude, that was illegal. That totally counts. Keep going, dude. That's goaltending. Bro, I gave you the score. Yeah.

I mean, it was in. It counts, dude. Nope. If this was NBA Jam, that big fucking wah, wah, wah, goaltending sign would come out. Fucking trash cans. I is a hater. You guys are starting to hurt my feelings. I'm just saying, dude.

Andrew, you just continue on. You're going to do jujitsu soon. I'm proud of you, man. The thing that you hit is in the trash can, and then it jumped out. Like, that's... Yeah, now it's not in there. It's on the ground.

But the thing that was in there is in there, but the thing that you in there is in there but the thing that you shot is no longer yeah but uh so what i'm getting at is like i'm preparing to be completely out of pain i've never ever even considered what that would feel like whereas now it's just like yeah dude it's it's happening like it's it's like we're already kind of there uh stuff that we worked on the gym before we got on air um you know there's still some way like imbalances and twisting of the hips and all this stuff is still like oh like i felt that but we're okay you know not a big deal and also how i interpret those those tweaks like what

like what uh like i would bend down to get something and be like oh fuck i hurt my back i'm gonna feel this way for the next two three three weeks. Now, if I do some shit, like, dude, I was holding my son. So, I was walking in the backyard. We have like this little small step, like the size of a brick. Anybody with back pain will know exactly what I'm talking about. My left foot slipped. So, the side that I'm holding him on, knee was pretty much locked out. It slipped off. Boom, was pretty much locked out it slipped off boom all my weight landed straight on my my left heel all that force just went shot like when you uh don't know there's like an extra step kind of thing absolutely you like all of a sudden feel four inches shorter you're like what the fuck happened to me just now dude if yeah before working on my mind working on my body that

would have put me out for like two months at least. Cause I would have been like, Oh, I'm fucked. Like, uh, I gotta take care of it. Like I gotta move slow. I gotta make sure I don't aggravate it more now. It's like, Oh damn, I felt that like that'll be gone by, you know, next couple of hours though. And sure enough, dude, I was good. I was on the ground rolling with him, playing with him. And it was like not an issue at all dude you know with what you're saying number one i'm i'm i really want to understand from you personally uh the difference because you mentioned like you're now perceiving things differently you're like it seems that instead of being more super careful you are now things happen and you're like oh no it's going

to be fine oh no my back's gonna be good like you you're now, things happen and you're like, oh no, it's going to be fine. Oh no, my back's going to be good. Like you're now more on offense. What you're saying is really interesting because you guys know we've had all these different types of guests on and there's a guy named Nadi Aguilar from Functional Patterns who we've been seeing a lot of his stuff. We love the stuff that he's doing. Check out some of the stuff on Instagram. It will blow your mind. Please really look at it. Cause this guy is getting individuals who have fucking cerebral palsy. He's getting individuals who have literal dis movement dysfunction because of certain

sicknesses they have. And he's getting them moving again because he's helping them to be able to have their whole body work together. But I was doing, I was going back to him and the voice messages. Um, I had a few questions for him about something, but he said something, uh, that I was like, that's that, that is really, really cool. He says he was mentioning how not only does he, is he trying to, uh, change people in terms of the way they move with, with his system within functional patterns, but he's trying to change the way that people, their,

their habits going through life. He would, he's trying to get people from being less on being in the defense, on the defensive. And he's trying to get them to be more on the, like to, to get them to start like instead of the mind being on the defensive, you're being on the offensive.

You're now going for things. You now perceive things differently. And he, he mentioned it in a much deeper way. Nadi, if one of the functional patterns people sends this to you, I have butchered what you said. But the behavior aspect of things, the true trying to change your behavior of what you go through life, that will change the behavior of like, Andrew, the way you're looking at the things that are going on with your back, the way you're looking at what happens to your Achilles. Before, that would have been something that may have literally crippled you. Like you'd have been like, Oh fuck, I can't, you know, even, even myself with injuries in the

past with the way I've looked at it, it could be something that stops you from taking action. But he also, along with his system, which he's doing on such and such amazing stuff, he's really trying to change the way that people perceive things and their belief about things. And if there's anything we know with all the conversations we've been having about the way that people believe certain things and believe how they work and the way that you perceive things happening to you, that is a big part of the equation. Yeah. And if you're walking into a gym and you see someone that's 75 years old running down the turf and you're getting some help from some of these people that do these functional movements, whether it's Goda or Naughty Aguilar. That's his name, right? Yeah, Naughty Aguilar.

Naughty Aguilar, that's his name, right? Yeah, Naughty Aguilar. Whether it's him, and you're seeing that somebody's having positive results, you're going to have a better belief system in yourself. You're going to be like, oh. And somebody, they might say, oh, this guy has two herniated discs. He's running down the turf.

Now you're more open-minded. You're like, oh, they helped that guy. They could probably help me. Maybe you have a different circumstance. But I think that we, we really hold onto our beliefs and we, we, we get so tight with our beliefs that they, they kind of kill parts of us off. I think, you know, it's, it's like a deadly trap

because you, you, you put like a period at the end of that sentence, you know, I, I'm, you know, You put like a period at the end of that sentence. I'm a powerlifter, period. And then that means that for some reason because I'm a powerlifter, that means I can't be athletic anymore. And that means all these other things. And it doesn't necessarily have to mean any of those things. You can still be open-minded towards other things. Are there powerlifters that go

through a great powerlifting career that break records and still have athleticism? Sure. There's been many. There's a lot. So, you know, I think we have to kind of just reevaluate the way that we kind of think about things. And when it comes to injury, the belief system is so strong that you might be kind of walking around a particular way and you might not even notice that you don't have pain anymore. You might not even notice that you don't need to limp anymore. But you've been limping for a long time. Your stride on that side shortened up. Like for me, my left hip has been in pain since like 2008.

It's been tight. It doesn't really hurt a lot, but it's something that I just, I kind of felt like I'm not sure if I know the tools to like cure this. So I just kind of left it alone. That was always, for me with injuries, that has actually worked pretty well in the past

was to like not completely ignore stuff i would address things and i would uh kind of attack things and and make sure they got like well enough for me to go back and do some of the things that i wanted to do uh but i never attacked everything on like a much larger broader scale where i'm looking at it like not only should i be able to like squat okay i should build a sprint i should build a box jump i should be able to sprint. I should be able to box jump. I should be able to come in here into the gym and do whatever the fuck I want. I should be able to gain access not only to what I could do when I was 18, but why not, like when I was 18, I was pretty athletic. I was pretty fast.

But can I be faster than that? Fuck yeah, I think I can be. Because now I have information. I have information I never had before. And like I'm starting to feel a lot better. My hip is getting better. It's actually been really fucking slow. And maybe that's because I still don't have some of the right information, but it is getting better. Like everything's opening up. I'm able to do so much more stuff now than I've been able to do really than I can even ever remember. Yeah. That belief system. So in Stuart McGill's back mechanic, he, he mentions like, Hey, like

if you're in pain right now, just know it's not going to be for very long because once we hit a certain age, like you, like we should hear about a fuck ton of old dudes talking about back pain, but you don't hear about it because you hit a certain age and all of a sudden it just disappears and they can't explain why. It's like, well, I started thinking about that. It's like, well, do old people give a fuck about anything? They're just like, no, I'm trying to get my prime rib and I want to watch my shitty ass TV shows or whatever. You're like, I'm bullshitting, but like they don't really care anymore. And it's like with them not giving any fucks, they all of a sudden just stop caring about their back and then oh magically happens their back pain goes away it's like dude holy shit like again not not saying anything wrong about like what was written in that book but it's

like i wish there was something about like that belief system in this book but it's not that type of book but it just it hit me when i was thinking about that the other day because uh somebody was talking about their back hurting and you know that that thought came to me and she's like dude yeah it's probably happens because they just their belief changes they stop worrying about it and that's kind of what's been happening with me it's like even okay so like i was in the gym uh earlier and i don't know if even you guys saw it but i put this down on that box the one that you then you moved it okay so I put it down once and I did it like I normally do which is I put my hand on my thigh and I get into the short stop position which is what Stuart McGill teaches

to not put any pain on your back so I'll demonstrate in a minute I did that and it started to hurt I'm like no fuck you like I stood up and I'm like, this doesn't even hurt. And I put it down and it didn't hurt. It's just the dumbest thing ever. And I know, I know people are hearing that and they're just like, no, dude, like not my back. Trust me, man, over 10 years of having back pain. And it's like I said, it's part of it is because I'm doing it through two different methods.

I'm doing the physical side and I'm working on the mental side. It's fucking wild. I need to make sure I write all this shit down because like this stuff is incredible. People that might not be able to relate from a physical standpoint can certainly relate on an emotional standpoint. People do the same thing with their emotions. Oh, the same things happen to me again. So I have to respond this way. I have to Will Smith the situation. You almost spit. You don't have to respond. It's up to you to decide how you want to respond to stuff.

And the deeper that you go into these things, you recognize, oh, well, I can even cut the emotion off before it ever becomes like a thing that is going to like poison the rest of my body. Just because I heard that someone died or just because I heard something doesn't mean I have to get all poisonous about it and all crazy about it. I can attach whatever emotion I want to that and I can just say, oh, that's, that's interesting. That's fascinating. Oh, I wonder why that person did that. Or I wonder why that happened or that, oh man, like so-and-so died. You have any more information? Like how did they, how did they pass? You know, and you can kind of think about it that way, but you don't always have to, these things that are happening to us in our day-to-day lives, you know, whether it's your, your back is hurting or

whether you have some sort of emotional pain, just because something else, just because you got into like a new relationship, it doesn't mean that same pain from previous relationship is going to happen again because your girlfriend, your wife, whomever went out of town for, you know, two weeks with their girlfriends or something. It doesn't mean that that person is going to cheat on you again. It doesn't mean any of those things. You're in a different circumstance. And if you hold onto that previous belief, you're going to be, you're going to be held in some misery. You're going to have a lot of pain. That's where pain, that's where pain comes from. And with going to some like Kelly Sturette seminars and stuff, some of the stuff that that guy shows is like, it's really like unbelievable, but the human body is so intelligent

and so smart that when you have an injury, and I think that this is what a lot of these functional movement pattern people are getting at, that we're hearing more and more stuff from them in the last couple, in the last year or so. And it's going to be like a revolution is coming in fitness. Like this is like another, like there's these kind of waves. Like there was kind of like the Louie Simmons, Dave Tate. There was like Elite FTS. There was T Nation.

There was all these things, right? And then for a long time, there wasn't really much of anything except for like fitness was kind of booming. But these functional movement pattern things, these are here to stay and they're going to stick around for a while and they're only going to improve and they're going to continue to get better. And the reason why is that when I went to a Kelly Strett seminar years ago, he had somebody take their socks and shoes off and he kind of held, he had somebody take their socks and shoes off, and he had them on their back, and he held the person's foot up. And he said, he's like, okay, he's like, what is this?

And someone's like, I don't know, the ankle? And then he pointed to the heel, and they're like, well, he's like, what is this? He's like, a heel. And he goes, well, what is this thing right here? There's people in the audience that are doctors. There's people in the audience that are doctors. There's people in the audience that are learning from Kelly Sturette because he's one of the best PT practitioners that there is, right? And so no one could answer what this thing was.

It's a fucking calcium deposit. body decided because these tissues are so stiff and these tissues are so damaged and they're so gross or whatever, however you want to put it, that the body decided to make like a little thing of beef jerky right there and lay down some new tissue. Sturette is like, dude, this does not belong here. This is like your, your fucking foot decided to make an extra bone. Like no one, like other people have it. You're going to notice like we'll pop shoes and socks off other people. And sure enough, they're going to have the same thing, but it's not normal. It's because we're not walking correctly. Our feet aren't in shoes that are proper. The shoes are kind of weakening our feet. We're stuffing our feet into things.

We're sitting in chairs too much. We're not walking enough. We're not exercising enough. And all these different things are happening. So it was just really fascinating. So somebody might think, okay, well, let's rub that area. Let's, let's, you know, let's figure out how do we, how do we get that cord? How do we get that Achilles to heal? Okay. I'm going to stretch the calf. I'm going to stretch the, uh, the foot. And some of these things make sense, I'm going to stretch the foot. And some of these things make sense. But no, no, no. It doesn't end there.

That's only like, that's not a bad place to start with some of this. But you're better off zooming way out. And you're better off zooming way out and deciding like, let's try to work on the entire body. And let's fix how we stand. Let's fix how we walk. Let's fix how we walk. Let's make sure we're hydrated. Let's make sure we're getting enough sleep. Let's make sure we're recovering from our workouts.

Don't sit as often. Don't sit as often. And when you're about to try something new, like running barefoot and stuff like that, you got to be super cautious, especially I don't want to tangle people up with their mindset. But as we are older, our tissues can get stiffer. And so if you haven't been rigorously doing stuff to keep your tissues opened up and to keep your tissues safe and healthy, then when you go to run, which I've been encouraging people to run, you should run like a pussy. Like run very lightly and run very little. Like how much running is a lot more running than you used to do? Well, if you, if you haven't run and you just ran for five minutes straight, that's a lot of fucking running. I don't know how far you went in five minutes, but that's a lot of fucking running. That's probably all you should do for the day. So you got to be really cautious going

into some of these new things. But we also, in general, it's important to kind of zoom out and look at the body as an entire system and not just look at this extra bone that's hanging off the side of your foot. Yeah, there's a lot there there but looking at the body as a whole system um i think that's one really cool thing that naughty does do and in his system with functional patterns there's a there's a lot of movement um movements with load and locomotion while moving right like we were doing some stuff just fucking with the cable in the gym and yeah it's not the same cable as he like he was working with but doing some of those movements, you're like, wow, okay, you're doing this. You're moving this weight through space. Your obliques are firing. Your legs are having to stabilize. Everything is working

together, which is why you can understand when you, when you see him take people that like have been able to move well, or, you know, they're having all this crazy dysfunction. He's teaching them literally how to move their whole body with loads, which is really cool. One of the things that I was having a conversation with him, and I was just curious because like, you know, he's been, you know, we've had Ben Patrick on the podcast and other people. And he's been quite critical to say the least of like maybe of Ben and other practitioners. And it's because he has such a strong belief in what he's doing that he, number one, doesn't believe that these systems are fully equipped to deal with every or all the situations that you need to deal with in fitness. But he believes that they're doing it in a poor fashion. And I respect that. I respect that.

But the way that I look at a lot of this stuff within fitness is I believe in more types of addition than pure subtraction. And if you do subtract something, some things are just stupid, right? There are some things in fitness we've seen where we're just like, oh, I don't think I would ever do that. But there are also certain things where I'm just like I can understand its place. It's not for everybody, but I can understand its place. I'm not one who – I don't like to totally say this is bullshit. This is whatever unless it's truly irresponsible. And he's going in on some folks. He's going in on some folks.

But it cannot be denied that he's going in because some folks. But it cannot be denied that he's going in because his stuff is pretty fucking cool. So it's going to be really cool for whenever he does get here to be able to talk with him. And you guys should definitely check out what he's doing with that stuff and figure out like that parable that he has.

I want that. I want that really bad. Because like if you, I don't know if you could pull it up and you go to the parable yeah like and this is like a that's a pretty old tool i'm pretty sure like that's just on a rope right it's on a rope yeah yeah they have been around for a while yeah i haven't i mean i haven't seen it i don't know why i've seen like okay i've seen the thing that you actually i've seen elliot holst using one before. Yeah, no. So that does exist. That does exist.

I just, I guess I've been seeing it since I've been paying attention to it. I've only been seeing it from his stuff, but look at the type of movement, like the way you have to move and your body has to counter that weight as it's going. So you're having to counter different forces and move fluidly through space. Like that is just good movement. Here's the kind of shit this guy is saying. So Nadi has some really amazing stuff. Like one, he's talking about like your neck, like when you, you know, text neck.

Everyone's talking about text neck. People are talking about how long you're on your phone and stuff. He's like, your neck should totally have the capacity to be on your phone for as long as you want. Like why doesn't it have the capacity just to hang your head down a little bit? He's like, it shouldn't really be a huge problem. And again, he's looking at things from a whole body perspective. Let's allow the neck to be able to do whatever it needs to do. Whatever calls upon us.

Maybe you can argue centuries ago, maybe we had to look up a lot more and look in trees and different things or whatever, but your neck should be able to have access to doing many different things. He showed an example of a basketball player the other day, and the guy was coming off the court. And see, with this ball thing, I think people are gonna get obsessed with thinking that this is the key for them to get out get out of pain but again it's a whole entire system of uh of movements to kind of get you to the right spot but he showed a basketball player the other day and the guy uh did a stretch as he's that video that one as he's uh coming off the court 36 and when the guy came off the court the guy the basketball player like player tucked his head down all the way by his knees.

And this guy has a bad back. And he's like, that ain't going to do shit. He goes, that ain't going to do shit for that guy's back. That flexibility or that extra flexibility that that guy thinks he's acquiring from doing that quick stretch. That guy is still going to have a bad back so i think a lot of the things that he's putting forward are dispelling a lot of myths a lot of myths that are out there about you know you would think that someone has a mobile back why would their back hurt yeah he says you would think that with mobility issues comes pain but it's not doesn't work that way yeah it was joelle and bead and yeah same thing with me like we've messed with

like certain things and it's like i can i'm very mobile i think for my situation but like it doesn't matter i can't get into some weird positions but like and my back was would still be you know in a lot of pain but this is the video you wanted me to pull up yeah that one's that was just a cool one of a woman who's 36 years old with cerebral palsy like she could barely walk onto the treadmill before now she's able to like really move and he's done this with multiple types of people that with cerebral palsy, like she could barely walk onto the treadmill before. Now she's able to like really move. And he's done this with multiple types of people that have cerebral palsy. I also think that your goals are a big factor. You know, like what are the things that you want to do?

Like if you want to be able to jump and sprint, then, you know, most likely to get yourself into those positions, be able to jump and sprint, you'll have to feel pretty darn healthy. You'll also need a good strategy because like by the time you get to those things if you go to do them and you get hurt you might get hurt severely so but like i think with a lot of the stuff that um this guy's doing you're seeing like yeah these athletes that he has these people that are coming to him they're sprinting in the gym, they're jumping. We're seeing the same thing from some of the go-to people. Where I don't know if that's like normal part of fitness, as weird as that sounds.

I think, you know, one thing is when we're looking at fitness or when we have been looking at fitness, we're looking through a pretty narrow lens because we've done bodybuilding, we've done power lifting. Like when, when we're talking to a lot of people that pay attention to this stuff, we're like, a lot of these people are also within the gym. And when the general population is looking at fitness, the general population thinks I need to go out and run. Like, I think that's, that's a slight disconnect. The general population, people think running is going to help them optimize their body composition. And it's probably a horrible way to try to go about doing it.

At least a horrible initial way, especially if you're coming from a place of sitting in an office chair all day long. You barely ever do run. You probably don't have your nutrition in check. And now you want to go out and run probably with horrible form, putting all these different levels of force on your knees or back. I'm going to run and not eat. Yeah, right? That's the general population's look at fitness so like um i i think something like this stuff for most people will because most

people are coming from a you you we we were talking about this because there's a time that me and you were going back and forth and i was i was like looking at his stuff i'm like i love what he's doing but why is he shitting on everybody else but then you and forth and I was like looking at his stuff. I'm like, I love what he's doing, but why is he shitting on everybody else? But then you mentioned this and I was like, okay, you know what? That made something click for me. Most people that aren't like – this isn't people that are watching this show normally. Most people in the general population are coming from a place of being sedentary, not paying any attention to their nutrition. They haven't done real physical things in a while.

not paying any attention to their nutrition. They haven't done real physical things in a while. And then they go into a gym with a personal trainer and then they start squatting and doing these types of movements. And that can be good to help them gain muscle, but that's not necessarily maybe the best thing to get them to actually be able to move better, right? Something like this or any way that you can get an individual client to be able to use multiple muscle groups at the same time. So if you look at some of the things that he's doing with his, his, I don't, I'm good. I don't know the name of that machine. It's a cable machine, but it's his, it's a special cable machine that they use that has a really long lever. But if you see that when you're holding those positions with load, it's teaching an individual how to stabilize

with positions and then they move forward or they move backward. They're learning how to move everything together well, right? That would be something that would be really good for somebody who's coming from a sedentary lifestyle to do rather than just deadlifting and squatting. Not that those things are bad. Those movements aren't bad. It's going to help people gain muscle. More muscle, there's a lot of benefits to that. But for movement purposes and stuff like this is really – and that's human.

It's human to be able to run and sprint. And kind of going back to what Andrew was mentioning about – and even what you were mentioning about being able to do things like when you were 18 years old, when you were young, we're seeing this occurrence of like, I've been seeing at least a lot of bodybuilders start to take up running. Like my buddy, Sam Okunola, you're taking up running. Nick Baer is taking up running. And Nick is still plenty muscular, right? It looks great. Nick is still plenty muscular, right? It looks great.

I think that within fitness, no matter if you're a fitness professional or if you're someone who just really likes to lift or whatever, you shouldn't limit yourself in terms of the type of shit that you believe you can do. Just because you do bodybuilding, that doesn't mean you can't go and you can start doing some jujitsu. Or you can't go and you can start running. Or you can't go and you can start progressing yourself to be able to sprint again. it may be something that takes a little bit of time and a little bit of practice but overall that's not something that you can't do because you're sticking to a specific sport you know yeah the the uh and this is really cool yeah this shit's fucking wild i'm gonna go try this with the cable machine in the gym. Man. Yeah. Someday I'll be able to move that way right now. Maybe not.

But yeah, that's fucking crazy. But right here, it literally just looks like this dude is experimenting with his body and load. Like, how's my body going to be able to handle these forces? And if your body's able to handle forces well like this, these forces in these weird areas and your whole body's able to work together, picture how much better you're going to be able to just move as an individual. It's making sense. What I like a lot is like being able to use like weight or some sort of resistance as a form of assistance in some ways. So like, you know, the Ben Patrick ATG split squat.

Yeah. And then I was showing Ben like, hey, like, I think this would be really good if people did these with a band. And then I was showing him the, like, hack squat. Do hack squats that way too. That way you get to alleviate a lot of pressure. But when you take some of these machines and you take some of these cables and you like twist with the cable, well, now you can get like a different kind of twist because now you have a little bit, you have some weight in your hands. For example, like if you're going to squat down, like hopefully you can squat down pretty proficiently without any weight.

But if you hold like a 30 pound kettlebell or something like that out in front of you, you'll notice that your hips might kind of crouch down a little bit lower. And I think that's what we're starting to see in fitness. I don't really, I don't really recall like these things being utilized as much as we're starting to see now. And the stuff he's doing with the cables is interesting because to me, it kind of looks like stretching, but I know he's also like kind of halfway exercising. It's like it's not really a stretch necessarily and it's not really necessarily lifting, but it's just these movement patterns that he's going through. Side bend type movements along with like pushing and utilizing the torque and torsion of the shoulders as well as utilizing your hips a ton.

Just like when you throw or just like when you go and take off into a sprint. What I was going to say, like, you know, it being like the full body approach like you were talking about in SEMA. You know, like when Stuart McGill was just like, you're going to just walk until you feel better and then you can start lifting but when i was walking i was still walking incorrectly you know so like every step i would take would just aggravate everything even more so he was definitely telling giving me great advice but i needed gary and and gota to tell me like no dude like we got to do it this way so that way you're not impacting so much on your heel and then that's shooting straight up to your back so but what's funny is like now like when i do have time to work out like it's fucking it's see it's awesome like i was exporting yesterday's podcast or i guess this morning's podcast and while that was going i just went out to the gym

did a couple of things and like i just felt like i got such like such so much of a better workout because I'm able to move better and you know even like my like I'm not really working out right now but like my body's like either holding up or even getting better somehow like I'm feeling good body fat wise that's definitely not gonna go down but like my arms haven't shrunk because I'm like always on the ground now my legs because I'm doing wall sits every single morning and night for at least three minutes at a time, like they're staying in pretty good shape now, capacity, cardio and all that shit. Like, yeah, that's, that's not, it's not getting any better, but everything else is doing pretty good. And it's the full body and mind approach for me. And it's, I'm just, I'm really happy that I'm able to do some of the things I haven't been able to do in

the past. It's going to be great to have David Weck here. People can't see on camera, but Nsema is standing on these sole steps right now. And it just kind of puts your feet in like a different position. But what it will do is it will get you like into this bow position. And what I've noticed from Nadi Aguilar here is that he's getting a lot of his athletes into this bow position over and over again where the foot is domed. That's what it's called when you put an arch into your foot. Your foot is being like domed. And so you can kind of mimic that just by like getting up on your toes and then aggressively like flexing your toes into the ground like you're trying to get up on your toes like a ballerina.

flexing your toes into the ground like you're trying to get up on your toes like a ballerina and you'll notice that your foot whether you have a quote-unquote flat foot or not you'll end up with this kind of nice shape to the inside of your foot and what the go-to guys are trying to teach a lot of times is this inside ankle bone they want that to be out they want that to be up they don't want that to be sandwiched in because a lot of times that's where like we're getting like a lot of collapsing we're getting valgus knee and most of the time those positions can be dangerous for athletes and hopefully you know you you're able to avoid you know going into some of those weird movement patterns but with the sole step that and seem is standing on now it kind of sets you into that bow position and what you'll notice with them is that when you stand on something like that

or the go-to slant boards or you can set something up where your feet are kind of on a little bit of a slant like that, but if you go to push into your hip, you'll notice that your hip, you'll kind of feel it more in your glute and you'll feel it more, right? You feel it. Yeah. And what it will do is like it opens up this kind of like, I don't even know how to describe it, but it opens up this like

back pocket of like your hip socket, you know, it opens it up and like gives it more space. And what's weird for me is like that actually, that movement kind of hurts because I don't have internal rotation of that hip any longer, or at least I lost a lot of it. And so I have to work on kind of like regaining it. And so a lot of the stuff that we're seeing, and I, I love the fact that this guy is fighting with that guy and that guy is fighting with this guy and we're all arguing. But what I love seeing over and over again is that the same shit keeps coming up over

and over and over again. And I'm like, this... There's parallels. There's all these through lines between all these practices. There's a through line of multiple things. Corey Schlesinger, in not so many words, because he's a professional, he didn't take a shit on go-to.

But I know that he wanted to. But when we went out to the gym, every fucking move he showed us was done in a go to fashion. Every movement that he showed us, but let's done with that bow and done with that inside ankle bone being high. And when Ben Patrick, even when Ben Patrick would show you how to do an exercise, when he's explaining stuff,

he's in these amazing positions already. He's, he has that, uh, inside ankle bone being high. He has the knee bowed out. He just is like sitting in these wonderful positions because he's worked so much on his mobility and some of his strength out of those weird ranges. And partially because he's been doing athletic stuff forever.

These are athletic positions. It's not go to. This is just athletic positions. That's the thing about it. That's what go to is. It's an observation of the greatest of all time actions. And that's what they encompass it as. Like Ed Reed moves this way.

This guy moves this way. They're trying to get more people to move that way. It's their belief that this is the best way to move. And I'm not like stuck on that belief system, but I do believe heavily in a lot of what they're saying. And I continue to see a lot of these parallels. Now, can we go outside of that? Absolutely.

I think we fucking can. I think we can. And I think that we should. I don't think that it, like the human body is capable of a lot of stuff. And there's no reason why we can't get a little nitty gritty on some like deadlifts here and there. There's no reason why we can't have some valgus knee here and there. Do we wanna like explore that

when someone's going for like a rear naked choke? Probably not, because that might blow your knee out. Should your body have the capacity to be able to do some of those things because you worked in those range of motions because that's the sport that you're in? Yeah, you probably should. You probably should work on some of the mobility and flexibility of the quad and the hip so that if someone does get you in that position you've told me you've seen many people blow their knees out that way these are things that like whatever sport it is or whatever

thing that you're trying to prep yourself for you can kind of think about those positions and think about, hey, what are some ways I can strengthen the muscles around that area? What are some ways I can get myself in and out of those positions in case that happens? Paraproject Family, how's it going? Now, a lot of you guys are lifters, athletes. You're serious about the gym, and we are too. And that's why we've been using Slingshot products for years, all right? You have the original Slingshot, obviously the glittery pink hip circle, which is my personal favorite. But if you don't like that, then you have the normal hip circle that's used to warm up the hips. But on the website, they have tons of equipment, knee sleeves,

elbow sleeves, the gangster wraps right there. So you need to go check them out and add you. Can you tell them more about it? Yes. If you guys know Mark Bell, then you know all about his power lifting career. And one thing he's always said is protect yourself before you wreck yourself. And you guys can protect yourself right now by heading over to markbileslingshot.com and at checkout enter promo code POWERPROJECT for 15% off your entire order. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Yeah. I mean, a lot of the stuff that Ben is doing,

he's getting strong in very deep positions that a lot of people would potentially get themselves injured in now one thing I see with like quite a few these functional patterns dudes is like one guy left a comment on my shit recently that was and I saw the common was like It's definitely an FP guy. He left a comment on something He's like these bros are gonna be having knee replacements within five years and I was like FP go to his profile Functional pattern movement specialist. Now, that's one thing that Nadi has been saying that a lot of stuff that Ben's doing is going to be leading people to knee replacements. You know, and he did mention to me how like, yeah, people start doing these things.

They're going to be getting injuries, whatever. This is the thing, though. I wonder what level of personal responsibility we have to put on individuals who pay attention to people's content. Because if somebody were to look at fucking hell, Jamal Browner or somebody who's doing some wild shit and be like, I'm going to go in the gym and deadlift 500 pounds and then they herniate a disc in their back. They're like, I tried to lift and I herniated a disc. You don't see all the buildup that this man did. All the overall strength that this man has built up to be able to do this safely. The same thing with any other thing. You see a bodybuilder doing some behind the neck presses and all these personal trainers

Those are bad movements. Personal trainers all of them, yeah, like multiple influencers, that's a bad movement. That's going to injure you. Do you not see the level of strength this individual, they don't know what this individual has done over the years to be able to get them to be able to do that now if a lot of things that ben puts forward he doesn't put forward the whole program with all of the regressions that individuals should be able to do before they try to load certain things so then individuals are like atg split squat with 50

pounds in each hand and and and then they're like this is kind of painful, but it's good for my knee. And then they fuck up their knee and they're like, Ben Patrick fucked up my knee. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's individual responsibility. You know, it's not that people are going to be needing knee replacements because they do this work. The people that get up and getting messed up did not start where they should have. And that can't all be put on the people who are putting forward this. The guy like Ben makes sure to preface everything.

And a lot of other people that are like, he's very careful with his language. Yeah. A lot of other professionals are careful too, but you, with the amount of people that are going to be able to see these things, you cannot control the everything that everybody does. Right. You can't do that um

and the interesting thing with like functional patterns and stuff a lot of this stuff needs specialty equipment you know like he's doing this with his his his specialty uh machine and parable etc so there is a level of control he has in terms of people not fucking themselves up with a lot of other systems all you need is your body all you need is maybe a dumbbell. And I know Nadi also does some stuff without the machine. It's not like that's all he does. They have a 10 week course on their website. So if any of you guys want to go down that rabbit hole, it's a great rabbit hole to go down and learn. But yeah, it's like, no, this is not going to cause knee replacements for people who are doing these things responsibly and still using, you know, good judgment in what they do you know so here's the first thing with with somebody having

an injury you know somebody that's listening right now their shoulder hurts their elbow their knee their back whatever it is what are you doing about it what are you doing about it you'll probably be kind of disappointed if you think about it? What are you doing about it? You'll probably be kind of disappointed if you think about it. You're probably not doing much about it. Maybe you are currently working on it, but maybe you also gave up or maybe you're not doing as much as you think that you can be. And I think the hard part is to be patient. You're not going to get results right away. Every once in a while, you have an injury that's just a tweak.

I think you tweaked your ankle a little bit, right? Yeah, sprained it. Sprained it, right? So it's like, how long is that probably going to hurt for? Maybe a week, maybe two weeks. It's going fast, though, because I'm doing some shit. Because you're paying attention to it. You're addressing it. And you're also smart enough to say okay check uh tweaked my ankle why why my ankle why'd i tweak my ankle i'm pretty

big guy i'm pretty fucking strong the body fat check thing said that i have crazy bone density like these ankles shouldn't go anywhere like Those ankles. Yeah. I should have robust ankles. And so you'll probably think, okay, well, I did, you know, I've been training the tibs and stuff, but maybe there's something else I should be training. And I think a lot of people aren't looking into stuff like that. You're starting to evaluate everything. You're like, ah, I think I have kind of bitch wrists, right?

You're starting to train them and you're starting to pay attention. You're small. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We're starting to pay attention to like as many different things as we can. So whenever you have an injury, you have to think to yourself, what are you doing about it? And what I would suggest, there's kind of like two places to start. kind of like two places to start.

Place number one to start is find some sort of partial range of motion that is pain-free that allows you to get blood into the muscle or into the surrounding area. So again, find a range of motion, could be a very short range of motion,

that allows you to get blood into an area pain-free. The second part of it is you want to take the joint, because normally it's a joint that hurts, take the joint to its end range or end ranges. So in the case of the knee, that would be with your leg fully extended, your leg completely straight. And a lot of people, some people listening might find that they actually have difficulty straightening their leg all the way out. Because a lot of times over periods of time, our knees and elbows kind of end up like the Tin Man. They end up being kind of bent.

So make sure that you can express that and make sure that you can push your knee almost backwards a little bit. Sounds kind of gross, right? But you also want to explore that bottom position. gross, right? But you also want to explore that bottom position and you want to have that knee fully opened up as if you were doing a full squat, trying to get your butt to touch the ground, or you're doing some sort of like ATG split squat. You're doing something where your knee is very forward. Now, there's so many different versions of how that can look. If you're in pain or if you had a surgery recently, well, now we got to like really consider what that's going to look like because you're probably, it probably fucking hurts. Well, that could be as easy as you just putting your foot up on a couple sets of stairs or onto a chair or onto a box in a gym.

And then you just lean forward towards that knee. And that's your ATG split squat for now and you're trying to get what Kelly Sturette would call like over pressure why are we trying to do that because that's going to get synovial fluid into the joint it's going to get the joint to open up you're expressing that end range of motion of the joint that probably doesn't get expressed that much by why you got hurt in the first place. And we're going to attack it that way. And then again, we can overload it with shorter ranges of motion that are pain-free, which would be what? Backward sled dragging, right? If it's the elbows, then maybe you're doing like a banded tricep pushdown and you're doing like

hundreds of reps and you want to get that shit to burn. And I know you're like, hey, it doesn't make any sense because I think I have tendonitis in my elbow trust me it makes sense you want to get a lot of blood to the area um so let me mention this ankle real quick because people are like he injured his ankle too this fucking no um i'll supply you know uh recently i was like gosh i was juggling the ball in the gym like man this feels good. I want to like instead of just going out and running, maybe I can just go play some soccer. So I went and my boy Thomas Menda, I don't want to say his last name wrong, but Thomas, he's a part of the ATG crew. He does a lot of indoor and outdoor soccer.

So he invited me to 11 on 11 and I played and it was fun. I got winded. I was doing a lot of different movement. to 11 on 11 and I played and it was fun. I got winded. I was doing a lot of different movement, but there was one time where I was going for a ball and like my foot, you know, in these types of in soccer or like basketball, rolling ankles, it's kind of common. So I landed and I rolled my ankle, sprained my ankle, you know? But overall, I was actually very happy with the way that my body handled stopping, sprinting, stopping, going backwards, going from side to side. Um, I sprained my ankle, but because I have some tools, uh, this was two days ago when you guys listen to this podcast,

it's going to be a while, but I'm already walking on it. I was walking on it yesterday in the gym because I have like, I'm figuring out what my ankle is able to do. I'm getting it to end ranges. I'm doing it through minimal pain. And I'm going to be – it's going to be healed very quickly. The hamstrings are already fully healed that I did with Graham. But this is one thing. It's like when you go and you do something that – like I haven't played soccer in maybe seven to eight years, right?

haven't played soccer in maybe seven to eight years, right? Um, I was purposefully just backing off of what I wanted to do because my body's used to playing soccer at two 15 and being two 40, trying to put those forces through this body. Like I'll, it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's a good idea to back off a little bit. Um, but that's the same thing. You're probably able to produce more force. I'm able to produce way more force like blow your body to pieces which is why when we were sprinting with graham i should have you know i should have actually gone even less intense than i was because i wasn't going full bore when i was sprinting with him i was purposefully trying to keep back because i'm like if i go full bore right now since i haven't sprinted in a long time i'm gonna rip my shit up like something and even though i I did, it still did.

So this is why I should have sprinted like a real pussy. Like if I did that, that would have been the thing that would allow me to do this over more sessions, build up my intensity, build up my body's ability to handle those forces that it hasn't handled in a long time. And I would have been good. Now I'm still good right now because we know how to handle injury. My hamstring's fine. My ankle's pretty much good, but that's how we're going to be approaching a lot of these new things we're doing. Like you're running. We've, I've, I keep going back to the, you starting running because when you started running, you weren't just running, you were doing run walks. You would run, you'd feel uncomfortable. I still do them. You still do them. Yeah. Right? But you're inching yourself into that.

Whereas I got excited, right? I got kind of excited sprinting and I thought I was being responsible, but it wasn't responsible enough for me to avoid pulling my hammy. So that's all. Anyone that's going to try to do something that requires a pretty good amount of intensity is going to get hurt. You know, you're, you're hopefully the injury or the pain that you get, hopefully it's very minor. You know, hopefully it's just like, oh man, my, I tried to run barefoot. My feet kind of hurt.

Like, hopefully it's just that, like, hopefully it's not like an Achilles or hopefully it's not, you know, hip flexor or like, hopefully it's not like an Achilles or hopefully it's not, you know, hip flexor or like hopefully it's not like a tear. You know, hopefully it's like try to keep this shit like as minor as you possibly can. But I'm going to repeat that again. You're going, you're most likely going to get hurt because. You feel a little niggle, you know? Yeah, yeah. You'll feel something.

You need to be careful with that word. Sir. Like Mark, don't agree. Don't people. What did I just say? be careful with that word. Sir. Like Mark, don't agree. It's don't people. What did I just say? You can say that word. I think you said wiggle. I said,

you know what? I'm not gonna repeat what I said. It just sounded like, keep going, Mark. And that's a little nagging injury. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. A niggle is a cause slight, but persistent annoyance and discomfort or anxiety. It's the correct word. Wow. N-I-G-G-L-E. Oh, my God. It's a little niggle.

I never heard it with a- There's something I want to say so bad, and I can't. I got to wait until we're off air. I never heard that with a hard L. I wish that was on camera. Nobody saw you pointing at me. It's a hard L. camera nobody saw you pointing oh my abs cramping oh shit oh man dog what were you gonna say I have no idea. We can totally bleep it. No. That's a clean word. It's all good.

It's all good. Let's go. I'll get it out later. Oh, man. Anyway, you're going to get fucked up. You're going to end up with something. And whether it's jujitsu or whether it's you're trying to play soccer again or any of these things, you're going to probably end up with a tweak because the

odds of you being able to stay in your own lane is going to be low. Like you're just, you're going to get too excited and get too pumped. And especially as you start to feel better and better. But the thing is, you got to learn from the injuries. When you, for me, my ankle, my right ankle is a little tight. So I need to explore some of that too. Like why I think my ankle is tight because I ran the other day barefoot. How often have I run barefoot?

Okay, like twice in my adult life that I can recall that I've run barefoot. So do I need to, you know, run barefoot more? Do I need to train my ankle more? Next time I go to run, do I need to be a little bit more cautious? These are all things that I can now put into effect with my training and decide how do I want to proceed from there. Also, I would highly just recommend do not catastrophize injury. Because what happens when you get a little injury, like for example, when this happened to my ankle, I got home that night. I was fucking limping up the stairs.

I wake up in the morning. My knee is super tight. Okay, my hip flexor hurts to lift my hip flexor like this. So I'm walking. I do my stuff. But my knee, like, because of what was going on with my ankle, it caused some upstream issues with my knee. And even my lower back felt a little wonky. So I was like,

Oh my God, did I have surgery in that knee? Did I maybe do something while moving that fucked with my meniscus? I was like, well, bro, calm down. Like it's just your ankle.

Just work on that. Slowly work into deeper ranges. Your body's going to be okay. And boom, a day later, I'm a little bit better. My knee still feels wonky. Boom.

The next day, which is today, my knee feels great. My ankle feels great because I'm still just, I'm a little bit better. My knee still feels wonky. Boom, the next day, which is today, my knee feels great. My ankle feels great because I'm still just slowly moving through those ranges. But if I catastrophized what happened and I was too ginger on my ankle and didn't do much, I was like, oh, God, I got to keep it here. And I was also being a little bit too ginger on everything else. Things like things first off would not be progressing as fast. And I might like you, Andrew, like I might start being like, Oh God, what's I got to be careful with my knee. Like what I'm want to say, well, like you, I mean like what you were doing.

Absolutely. So like when you start to think you have this problem and this is a tough line to tell because sometimes you need to go get your shit checked. So I'm not saying that you should be totally he manning pain. Like, no, that's not what I'm saying. But I'm also saying like, work through things, take it day by day, try to get a little bit more each day, be responsible, but don't let it go too far where you start having a fear of what's going on. Because this reminds me of something that we talked about when we had Andy Triana on the podcast, Go Superbrain. He talked about working with an athlete, professional athlete who had something up with her knee. Um, and she was feeling massive levels of pain in her sprints

and it was, it was fucking with her. Right? So he had to work with her on the psychological side of moving past that pain so that she'd be able to perform. He didn't do anything super special physically. This was all, he literally just changed the way that she was going about doing things with her knee from the way that she thought about her knee and she was able to start performing. That's why we're saying the mental side of injury is such a big deal. You honestly need to attack injury. This doesn't mean be irresponsible and work through crazy ranges and just gnarly your shit up through pain. No, but you need to be proactive into doing things. A quick example, so I can make this kind of clear. When I had my meniscus surgery and they took part of my

meniscus out, luckily I had really good people to talk to about what should I do. I'm pretty sure, I don't know if I was able to get some information from Kelly Sturette because of you, but there was somebody that gave me some information on like, get that range of motion back as soon as you fucking can. Get your knee right after surgery, get your knee straight. Actually, I think you did get to Kelly Sturette for me. And then he told me to get my knee straight, like do my best to put my knee up on pillows and get that range of motion back as fast as possible. And then once I got that range of motion back, which was quick,

that I was doing stuff in the gym on a single leg while the wrap was still around my knee. And I was moving a few weeks later, squatting a few weeks later. The doctor though told me, yeah, just keep off of your knee. Just sit up, let it, let it recover. When you come back and we take everything off, then you can start working with our physical therapists here. I understand that's an insurance thing to try to keep people safe, but that would have fucked my knee up even worse in the long run than me trying to get range of motion back, trying to start working this joint through different things. I never really

worked through deep pain but i just got it moving with whatever i could i was getting all the ranges of motion i could and that's why the knee i like when i was recovered he was like how the fuck did you recover so quickly like this doesn't make any sense you shouldn't you shouldn't be able to move yet but it's because we attacked it rather than being defensive about it. Yeah, you got to be aggressive about it. You know, you think about like the knee in particular. And you think about like, man, I'm having a really hard time straightening my knee out, having a hard time with some sort of extension. Like you're just sitting watching TV and you go to extend your knee out and you notice that when you flex your knee all the way or flex your leg all the way that there's some pain sitting in there. Sometimes some of these

movements are painful. Like sometimes a leg extension or something like that might be painful for someone that's got a banged up knee. And I'm not even saying that a leg extension is necessarily a great exercise or anything. But what I would encourage people to do is just think outside the box. You know, let's say you have a bad shoulder and you, when you go to press overhead, you press like a, like more forward than you do straight overhead. Like my shoulder is still pretty tight in the back and I still got to work on some stuff with it. But so what's, how do I get my shoulder to move in that range of motion? Well, how about a lat pull-down? How about a pull-up or chin-up? How do I, you know, can I pull down straight?

Yeah, I sure can. You know, I can work on things that way. Maybe there's things I can do with bands where I can take my arms through a range of motion that is close to me pressing straight overhead. And then maybe over time I can open up a little bit more and get some of that access. And then the same thing with the knee. Like when you're talking about the knee, what about doing like a leg curl? Like, you know, a seated leg curl or like we're doing in the gym, we do the seated leg curl that Ben Patrick was showing us. It's like, look at the way the knee is bent. Our body, our mind is really fucking smart our

central nervous system is really smart but for lack of a better term like the body in a lot of ways is really dumb too it doesn't know what you're doing doesn't know what you're doing or why so if you go to do um a squat in the squat rack and you have to utilize a band to help you get in a position as we were doing with a regression with ben patrick and as i was doing with my brother-in-law today who has a banged up knee i would take a band and i would hook it to the j hooks of the rack and and so it'd go across and i would put my armpits on the band and the band would hold me up like I'm a baby. Like those little baby things. Jumpers.

Yeah, little jumpers. And so now as I go down, as I squat or as I do an ATG split squat, maybe the band is set up to where it's alleviating 80 pounds of body weight. That's a lot of body weight. For my body to now think that it weighs a lot less that way. So again, the knees don't know what's going on. All they know is that they're being taken through a full range of motion and they're like, Hey, like what's going on up there? This is great. You guys are doing it, man. You're going through a full range of motion. How come there's no pain? Well, there's less pain because there's less weight we don't have. And for some

people there might be pain even when they do reduce the weight because they might have to go in a lesser range of motion. How much pain should you work through? You shouldn't really have to work through hardly any pain. Maybe, maybe there's like, I don't know, scale of one to 10. Maybe there's like a one or two. If you're trying to be like a pro bodybuilder,

if you're trying to be a power lifter or something like that, maybe your interpretation of pain and maybe the level of pain might be a two or three. But again, it's still going to be low. You shouldn't feel like you're getting hurt. If you're in a jujitsu tournament and you're in the final round, it's like you're just going to go for whatever. That's okay. In those situations, I think that's where you can make a call.

Like I don't really care if I get hurt in this because I'm being competitive and I want to fucking win. Same thing with a powerlifting competition or something like that. But in the gym, the gym is a place to not only just get better and to not only lift more weight but to fucking feel better. Yes. And I think that's why we're so obsessed with a lot of this stuff. I think maybe you at some point, but definitely me. I got lost, man. I got lost in the shuffle. I was like counting plates. You know, I was counting weight. I was getting excited. I was like, this is awesome, man. I squatted 900. Now I'm going to squat a thousand. I squatted a thousand.

Now I'm going to squat 1100. I benched 700. Now I'm going to bench 800. I benched 800. Now I'm going to bench 900. And I forgot, you know, I fucking got lost in the mix. I lost sight of the fact that working out, exercising is supposed to make you feel better. And we, we had, uh, we had our, our, our boy on the show, our boy Taco Truck on the show a couple years back, and he was saying, like, when he told me that, he was like, workouts are supposed to make you feel better. Yeah. We just had him on with Chad Mendes. Oh, yeah.

Gigantic monster. Amadeo Novella. There it is. I can't remember his last name. Our boy Amadeo. Yeah, he was like with these athletes that he works with that's what he drives home to them it's like these workouts are supposed to make you feel better and when he said that on our show it's probably two years ago i'm like

oh man like i don't do that to myself enough it's very rare that i just do a workout and feel better and now that's kind of pretty much where my workouts are living, except for every once in a while when I still make a mistake and get too pumped up about something. And working out to feel better does not mean you cannot gain muscle, does not mean you cannot gain strength. There's this underlying thing when it comes to, and maybe because like when I was focused on powerlifting and focused on you know just increasing those numbers fuck yeah my elbows were trashed you're also not weaker i don't think like you know what i mean like yeah you know what i'm saying like okay you can go in the gym

and deadlift and maybe you would deadlift less than 755 which is your best in a contest right but that's just like one movement i mean you're stronger everywhere else i would imagine right stronger like that's the thing it's like i'm stronger everywhere else i don't i wouldn't go into the gym and try to squat six or something right now but i could build back to that up back up to that pretty easily because the muscle is still there um but my ability to handle different types of loads in different ranges is, or in deep ranges, is just much better now. I move better. And that's why I started jujitsu. When I started jujitsu six years ago, number one, I was literally trying to find some type of sport or some type of practice that would

allow me to be able to move well and move my body because I came from a background of playing soccer. And at that time, I was focused on bodybuilding and powerlifting. But with both of these sports, I was just feeling kind of stuck. Like I was like, I'm not moving. I'm not running. I'm not doing much. So when I started jujitsu and I was doing all these dynamic type movements, and over time, my body started feeling better because I still was stretching and doing all that

with jujitsu and strength training. I was like that, that started to just become the focus. I don't want to get weak. I don't want to get small, but I want to move like a better human being. Like I want to, I should be able to do certain things that I wasn't able to do at that point because I was so focused on getting bigger and stronger, but I wanted those capacities back. And I have those capacities back and more, which is, that's what I was trying. That's that, this has been what I've been trying to be able to accomplish as far as my fitness is concerned. And at this point, lifting wise, like, I don't know, like how minimum effective dose, you know, like how much lifting do you need? It doesn't look like you're lacking, like needing to like lift a lot more. No, like, that's the thing it's like that's the interesting thing

when people focus on bodybuilding the focus is training volume the focus is increasing training volume over time so you can continue to gain more muscle and as far as even though i i do get that at this point i can i'm still gaining new because – and I think partially because I'm gaining new ability. I'm getting new capacities. My body weight exercise strength is going up. Like I'm getting better at that. Yeah, Nordics and stuff like that. I mean you started out not being able to do hardly any, right?

I couldn't do a clean one. I did like one and a half. But the first one was not clean. There was some assistance. Um, but the first one was not clean. There was some assistance and now Nordics are super easy along with a lot of other movements that I wouldn't have been able to do in the past as far as because of like, because of my knees, et cetera, I wouldn't have been able to do those movements in those ranges. And now I can, which is why again, when some of these, when some of these, uh, FP homies are like, you guys are going to need knee replacements. I'm like, dog, you don't know. Like before, my knees were in pain when I was going to these ranges. Now I can go into these ranges without pain. You're parroting something that your leader has stated. But if done responsibly, these things aren't going to need or lead people to knee replacements. And the crazy thing that I think is that all of these people from naughty to

go to, to Ben, to, to every single different type of coach we had on, everyone has the same goal of helping the population become healthier, helping the population move better, helping people not be obese. We're all trying to just improve people's health.

So stop being so fucking dogmatic about how people go about improving their health stop shitting on people for becoming better and getting different capacities and gaining muscle stop shitting on the way people do it it's fucking annoying it's so childish you pissed them off it's so childish and uh i think something can get choked out so thanks a lot everybody yeah it's just i mean it's just like we're all like you guys are all trying to do the same thing for everybody but now you're doing these stupid little infights and acting like children it's it's it doesn't make any sense while other people are out here they're sitting around they're not being able to do things in their lives you guys are infighting

about which fucking thing is better. Get the fuck out of here, dog. Just help people. That's all. You got Marcus Hilli's way of working out. You got Matt Wenning's way of working out. You got some of our ideas of working out, some of the ideas of mind pump. There's a laundry list of a lot of different ways. And if someone's pumped about it and they're excited about it, why take a shit on them for it?

What if you have somebody who's a friend and they're like, I'm getting super strong. I'm doing yoga. It's like, just let them have it. Just fucking leave it alone. You don't need to get into an argument. You don't need to pull out a fucking chart that has science on it that says all these things about time under tension and all this shit and how the muscle – Range of motion. Yeah, muscle needs to get activated with weight and all these different things.

If that person asks you for help, if they're like, hey, I'm enjoying yoga. I think I'm getting a little stronger from it, but I would like to get a little more muscle. That's when you can have the conversation. Don't go crapping on somebody for some things that they're trying to explore. Absolutely. Like, okay. Cause like, um, and I get the dysfunction of yoga. I get it.

But like, let's say that someone is doing yoga, which is something that a lot of FP people, I mean, don't, don't, don't like. And I understand why, but instead of saying, Oh, that's good. I'll just, just be like, Hey, add this in. Because I guarantee that if they add in any of the concepts that they're doing within FP or any type of strength training, that individual that's doing yoga will improve. And maybe they're going to be able to figure out their own well-rounded practice for themselves. Because if anything, what we've been able to do here is you still do bodybuilding. You still do some things in terms of powerlifting. But now you run and you do this.

You do go to stuff. You're not in one tribe. I do jujitsu. I do bodybuilding. I still do strength training. I'm doing calisthenics now. I'm not. I do ATG stuff.

I'm not in a single tribe. I have just taken all these things and turned it into my system. Yeah, people don't need to worry. I'm not going to have a fucking man bun and be all go-to on everybody. And I'm not going to look like one of Ben Patrick's disciples anytime soon either. I like lifting the way that I'm lifting. I like doing the things that I'm

doing. You should grow that shit out. A lot of those fucking people that came to the Ben Patrick seminar, it's amazing that we had that many people here and it was great but a lot of fucking people don't look like they lift right a lot of a lot of the ones that were really in it they're like the some of the coaches yeah they have some meaty legs on it but a lot of them are also like athletes like soccer players some of y'all just have to lift some weights don't get too caught up in it you know and is it explained sorry because i'm new to the like fp stuff yeah but why is everyone always like pretty much naked

oh what's that all about that's so they can see everyone's body because like i don't know if you saw like he had a video of like i think it was a woman walking on a treadmill and you could see like her spine moving around and he's like look at their her spine moving around this way plus i just think they want everybody naked but i think like having the skin there like i think you can you get like a little bit of a visual no he's able to like you're able to see what's going on with somebody like oh yeah that's a good video yeah so see her back kind of like rocking around looks like it's like jolting as she's walking on the treadmill dude i bet you i got some of that and her whole body's probably kind of like it doesn. Looks like it's like jolting as she's walking on the treadmill. Dude, I bet you I got some of that. And her whole body's probably kind of like,

it doesn't look like a clean, smooth walk. Like it looks, yeah, and then that looks way different. Ah, yeah, she's getting over her pillars there. Oh, she's got nicer clothes on too. Hmm. I don't know. Fancy that.

Wow. Hey, you creeps. Oh, oh. So anyways. Oh, I forgot we were doing the show there for a second. Yeah, the lack of clothing, the man buns, a little culty-ish, I guess. But one can say the same about literally everything. But like, yeah.

Yeah, there's a few other things that people can say are a bit cultish. I'm just being silly. I know. I know. I know. At the end of the day, though, like I dig all this stuff i dig the stuff that goat is doing i dig all of it but then you know i um yeah the enthusiasm like we just don't like to see the enthusiasm be so much that you go outside and crap on other other techniques i don't see the

necessity and other ways of doing it i i agree and And I think, uh, I can just take blame and say, Hey, I'm responsible. I've done that many times myself and I will work on doing a better job in the future. I just get excited sometimes. I've done that before. I get all hyped up and then I think like, this is the way. And it's just like, not only when it comes to the protein. That's right. There's multiple ways to go with stuff. Yeah. I'm trying to wonder like when did you feel like you escaped that matrix? Because I remember when I learned about IFYM and I learned a lot about Lane Norton and Lyle McDonald and that type of diet stuff. I'm like, why would anybody diet in any other way? This is the way.

I remember I used to think that way but i don't know when i made the switch into trying to be yeah i think for i think for me i i'm a fucking asshole in some ways i i like i literally think in my brain that i have a better way so i hear stuff that people say and i'm like i fucking like i'm not gonna like i'm not gonna be like i'm gonna do west side i'm not even like none of that like when i I started lifting out here, I was like, I'm going to adopt a lot of Louis stuff, but I'm going to make it better. Like I thought, like I just think that way. And I know that I didn't. Like Louis fucking RIP, like he fucking killed it and I'll never compare to anything he did in strength.

But I was always like, you know what? I'm going to find my own way and I'm going to make my way work really, really well for me. So I kind of just think that way. Even with Ben Patrick, I'm like, Ben knows some shit, but I've been around forever. I've been dragging that fucking sled for 20 plus years. Like, Ben, let me show you this. Let me show you that.

And I still am open to like learning more. I always want to learn more because I know that that will advance me and advance everybody around me. So I I always want to learn more because I know that that will advance me and advance everybody around me. So I'm always excited to learn more. But I, a lot of times I'll watch someone do something and I'll hear something and it will sound similar to something else I heard.

And I'm like, I'm going to add to that because that's fucking genius. I really like that a lot. But I wonder if I mix it with this other thing I heard of the other day, what's going to happen. And the only reason why you're able to think that way is because you're paying attention and we're paying attention to so many things so when we see something that somebody's doing we'd be like oh that's like what gota's doing right that's what david weck is that's what that's that's

what not he's kind of doing over here like we're able to for david weck i'm excited for david blow our minds i think yeah but the reason why we're able, like, I think everyone, especially people that listen to this show, it's Ben Greenfield kind of mentioned borrowing. I think his episode might come out before this one. Yeah, it will. He mentioned the idea of borrowing. And just like because now he's what he's doing is he's seeing all these different things and he's taking the things that he wants to add into his personal system and he's just not using the things that doesn't, right? I just like – it's the same thing and I phrase it like adopt and improve. That's what you just mentioned, Mark.

Adopt an idea and improve upon it for yourself because I think everyone, whenever you pick something up and you try something, it's going to become a part of you to an extent. It's a part of your own personal system. Like I played soccer for 15 years. Now I can still fucking juggle a soccer ball and move around. That's part of what I do, even though I haven't done it in years. It's in my system, my personal system. So take a look at all of these things. Try aspects of it. Add it into what you do so you can become the best, strongest version of yourself. That's all. what you do so you can become the best, strongest version of yourself. That's all. I would stray away from just going into, you know what? No, I can't say you shouldn't go into one thing and believe it and do it because if you're a powerlifter or you're a bodybuilder, that's your sport. Focus on your sport. I get it. But sometimes it helps to double down and then you find out maybe that wasn't the right way. Maybe it wasn't the right way, but maybe it was. Maybe it was. But this is the thing. my goal personally is moving better and becoming the strongest version of myself the strongest version of myself doesn't mean i

deadlift 800 pounds the strongest version of myself means i'm moving without pain i'm able to uh show any type of anything i want my body to be able to do i'm going to be able to do it um and i i don't want any type of dysfunction as I get older and older and older. That's the strongest version of myself. That doesn't mean I'll be able to bench 405. That's not what that means. But that means that my body is going to literally be the best mover it possibly can be, which is why I'm taking a look at all these things and I'm adopting and I'm trying to improve upon it for myself yeah and that's why in a previous episode i had said like don't write off another camp because

they said something bad about your camp or a camp that you actually i mean well i'm just using camps well you shouldn't be in any camp period because like when somebody some of the go-to guy says something you're just like they're fucking idiots like that they don't know what they're talking about but then you see you know cory schlesinger and you're just like oh that's pretty dope but oh i already wrote that off like i i can't like him now or like uh mark's always mark's talking about like keto and fasting that's fucking that's bullshit but then uh lane norton's like actually yeah fasting can be a way to limit your caloric intake and oh fuck now now do i have

to dislike lane norton who i've been following for years nope no of course not but it's like dude like just take exactly what you said borrow the good shit and then just fucking improve cory schlesinger is such a professional like because he came on here and he was just i'm sure he has his own beliefs but he didn't really he just talked about all the different things that he loves to do and all the different things all the different ways that he likes to incorporate he gave his point of view um he talked a lot about like microdosing workouts for his athletes and stuff like that but he wasn't like he wasn't like we box squat all the time

and we only do this, we only bench squat and deadlift, or I only subscribe to this or that. He was like, what did he implement? He fucking sounded like he implemented everything. We utilize everything. And I think that's amazing, and especially when you're an NBA strength coach. Why not? Because you have access. Some people will kind of scoff at some

of the stuff that some of these pro athletes will do. They'll lift on some of these machines and the machines like rather than like have a weight associated to it, it shows your watts or it shows your max output. Well, it does that so it's competitive with the next person and so that they can kind of compete against each other. And because, let's just face it, like how many NBA players are there that can squat 405? I would be surprised if like even like 30% of them could figure that out. They're not designed, they're tall, extremely athletic athletes

that are far more athletic than like 99.9% of the population could ever even possibly imagine. They just so happen to like not be proficient at doing a squat with weight on their back that way. So it's like, well, let's find a way to train their legs because it's still important that they train their legs for recovery from the games, to be able to jump, to be able to express all the things you're trying to express on the court. So why not think of every possible scenario that you can? So I really like Corey Schlesinger a lot for, I just, I mean,

I learned a lot from that. I thought that was really, I thought he was very classy and just saying like, look, man, I'm going to try to absorb from everything. Yeah. Yeah. Now this, what like fitness and health is such a different ball game in terms of maybe belief systems and society, right? Like for example, we can all, we can all agree on the idea that people shouldn't steal, right? Like that, that is a truth. You shouldn't steal from other people. Maybe there's nuances if they took something from you, you're not, they stole from you. So you need to take it back. So no, people shouldn't steal.

There's no nuances to stealing. But when it comes to health, when it comes to fitness, it's not good to have such staunch beliefs about movement practices, about nutrition. You can be rigid in your belief that people shouldn't steal and people should tell the truth. It's good to have rigidity within those beliefs. It's not good to have rigidity in the belief that the ketogenic diet is the only way to lose weight and become healthy. It's not good to be so rigid

because there are different types of people that respond differently to a diet like that. There are different people that thrive on other types of diets. So this is a, this is a realm where like many belief systems and many different protocols have different benefits for different people. So you, you can't go up even a vegan. And as much as I know, carnivores will be like, but we know that, you know, there's things that they're missing in their diet because they're not eating meat understood, but they can still do certain things so they can still have a healthy lifestyle for what they're seeking okay so that's why even deeper when it comes to movement practices this is the last place that you want to have a staunch belief of that your bodybuilding

power lifting functional patterns go to atg way is the right way because there's so many different systems for being able to get to a, a certain place. And we got to also realize everybody does have a different starting point and everybody has a different goal for individuals who's trying to become a world champion or just a very competitive or a strong power lifter. Maybe going down the path of doing a bunch of what? Go to stuff doesn't help them because actually in go to, you're not supposed to lift.

Right. But there could be some additions from go to that would be good for the movement. But like you, you're not, you're not going to be a go to person. Right. You get what I'm saying? Like you should try to shed this idea of this is the correct way to do things. You need to shed that and you need to be open to because like if a power lifter adds things from ATG, there's going to be benefit for them. If they add things from functional patterns, there's going to be benefit for them. putting yourself like we talked about in the beginning of the podcast don't put yourself in a box of your own creation because that's what a lot of people are doing when they say i'm part of this tribe you've legitimately boxed yourself into the beliefs and practices of that tribe

and now when anybody else brings something to you if it is beneficial you're not going to listen because this is your tribe and you don't do anything else. We do it from like the time we're born. You know, we do it with race. We do it with sex. We do it with everything. And then you're attached to that. I mean, I've mentioned this many times on the show.

I'll talk to somebody about their diet and I'll say, hey, like, have you ever thought about like cutting back on carbohydrates? Because sometimes we have a tendency to overeat things that have carbohydrates and fat, and maybe they'll say, I can't do that, I'm Italian. And you're like, and then, but I'll hear the same thing from someone who's Chinese. I'll hear the same thing from someone who's Mexican. Not that they all say they're Italian. They use, you know, they use their ethnicity, you know, kind of as a thing because they're like, well, we eat some of these types of foods all the time.

And I understand and I get it. But again, why, just because you grew up a particular way eating certain foods, I don't know if you're aware, but now you're an adult and you can actually go and purchase your own food. And you could, with Mexican food, you could cut out some of the things that are maybe keeping you or maybe holding you to staying overweight.

Whatever, like we don't have to be like stuck in these ideals that we've had from the time we were born, but it's hard to like, it can be difficult to get yourself out of those things because you're like, this is all I know. This is the way I grew up. And it's very comfortable to be part of it. It's very comfortable to be part of a group.

Exactly what I was going to say. Go for it. No, you're already there. But we all want to be a part of something and usually a part of something bigger. And then I don't know what it is, but we love to argue. So somebody has an Android and I see that green text bubble come up, and I'm just like, come on, man. This motherfucker right here.

Give me a fucking break. You poor fuck. Yeah. Broke ass motherfucker. This motherfucker. But you see what I mean? You're in the whole group chat. They do.

They really do. They really fucking do. And it's like, what did you film this on? A fucking potato like you can't see shit and they can't even send themselves shit like it's so bad oh god point made right we get on these teams because it's just like well we're all iphone guys it's like you know fucking androids are stupid but it's like they're not but it's just we're on the right team and it's dangerous because when you're on a team the only people that you really listen to are people who are on your team.

And when somebody brings something else, well, they're not on my team. They're against me. Fuck your team. Not only do they have different views, but they want mine to mean less. Yeah. Oh, Lord. I love fitness. Get up off teams.

I hate that shit. It's so hard or interesting to think about. Like there's somebody in another part of the world with the exact same issues that you have. They're going through them right now. Maybe some people are figuring them out. There's somebody that's like very similar to you. Like we just lose sight of all that. Like you boil things down.

Um, people are sad, mad, happy, depressed, anxious, um, joyful, you know, um, like there's just only so many things that you can like experience as a human being. And, uh, they're all similar. It doesn't matter what language you speak or where you're from or how old you are or if you're super young, it's all very similar. And we just like, we lose sight of so many of these things. And I think that that's part of the reason

why we do get attached to something because it is more comfortable. You're like, if I attach myself to this and I don't have to like worry about the world being so goddamn big and scary to me. But just kind of go along with the flow of some of the stuff that we're talking about. I just wanted to point out that Andrew Huberman had on Andy Galpin. I can't wait to listen to it.

And I started listening to some of it, and it was really, really good. But I don't mind promoting other stuff on here. I hope that people listen to – you know, we've mentioned other podcasts all the time. I don't want people just listening to our stuff and, and only getting ideas from the three of us or occasionally when we have a guest on, that's cool. If they,

if they want to listen to every episode that we have, like we'll all be excited about that. Oh, absolutely. But I hope they help everyone listening. I hope you expand and, and add somebody else, man. Fucking go subscribe to another one. Check out some of these things that people are offering.

I've learned so much from Lex Friedman and Joe Rogan and people like Andy Galpin and Andrew Huberman. I mean, man, it's a big old world out there. Don't be afraid to learn from other people. man, it's a big old world out there. Don't be afraid to learn from other people. And that way you don't get kind of sucked into having like the same beliefs as everybody else. Absolutely. It's a sleeper podcast.

But Matt Walker has his podcast on sleep. Episodes are nice and short and it's a great education. He has like episodes on caffeine and sleep, alcohol and sleep, melatonin. And they're like 10 minutes, 10 to 15 minutes. You guys can get this great information and you know how much we care about sleep on that so check that out peter attia's drive podcast he has a lot of really cool guests on there great guests on there yeah uh ben patrick has his own podcast now so like there's a lot of really amazing like people out there um just the one thing this is the the one thing that I listen for when I listen to people. Number one, I try to truly learn from them. But number two, I, when I have the, and I'm,

I'm so grateful that I get the opportunity to ask people questions here because when we're finally able to ask people questions, it gives me an idea of how open of an individual are you to being wrong? Because it lets me understand if this, Oh, is this, if I'm asking them certain questions and they're like really staunch and they're not open, like, like it'll give me an idea of like, maybe you don't really revise your shit that much. Like I'm going to, I'm going to take from you. Trust me. I'm going to learn from you. I'm going to do this for me. But like if, if their shit ends up being the gospel, I have little red flags that go on the back of my head that I'm just like, be skeptical, take, try, and just, just be skeptical. So that's what I'd say when you listen to people. Um, you, I mean, I, I can't tell you guys what you should do.

All I can say is for myself, I don't want to be tribalistic. I don't want to be, I don't want to box myself in or limit myself to what I can do and the things that I can try to try to achieve. Right. So because of that, I'm not going to also try to listen to somebody who is very limiting in terms of the things that they do and say and practice. In jujitsu, you have to like make stuff yours, right? Like when someone shows you something, because our body types are so different

and you're going to work with, you're going to roll with another athlete in just a completely different way. So when someone shows you something and you're like, okay, that was pretty cool. But like how, like maybe that doesn't even fit into my game, but I see like I could utilize that this way. And maybe the way you do it is going to be different, right? Absolutely. Because every athlete has different levels of mobility, different ability to move, right? If you have the same ability to move as that athlete, great.

But for some reason, if you're much tighter, maybe you might to do a an adjusted version of the movement so it can fit into what you do your game and your personal ability so yeah you you have to every movement you have to make it yours somehow because everybody's working and working with different machinery so that's the same way i look at a lot of these these movement practices like there are going to be some things that i might just not be able to do the same thing with books you're reading stuff right like maybe it's not even your goal to own like a yacht, but maybe you're reading a book about a dude that owns a fucking yacht, right? You're going to take some of these principles and ideas and have them be your own. Absolutely.

Yeah. That's, and that's why we're fortunate enough just to be able to continue to learn. We learn and we put forward, but never stop learning. Damn. We ran out of time look yeah yeah we ran out of time a minute ago how long is this half an hour ago you ran out of time an hour ago yeah guys comment down below let us know uh kind of what's some new shit that you're learning what other podcasts do you guys enjoy maybe also guests you guys think we should have on. I'm very excited for Naughty. Naughty. I was going to say his name.

Naughty, you're nice. Naughty's a little naughty. Let us know also how you've overcome injuries or gotten around injuries. Maybe you guys have some other people that you think we should have on the show. That's kind of how we ended up, uh, talking to some of the go-to people. And I think the cool thing is it's like, whether some of these people, whether you agree or disagree with some of the people that are coming up on the show, um, it's just going to lead us to more great people. Yeah. So that's what it does. That's what happens. I had a guy who was like basically screaming at me to get the go-to guys on the show. And that's how it happened.

Um, he was like, I can't believe you have some of these other people on the show. They're not like expressing all of that can be, you know, whatever. And I was like, all right, cool. So I'll, I'll fucking have them on the show. Here you go. And, you know, now it's been helping Andrew. It's been helping me a lot. And I know a lot of people are getting a lot of great benefits from it. I've taken some concepts. There you go. And I know that, you know, go. And I know that we're going to notice all the overlap when we have David Weck here and a bunch of other people. And I know when we have Graham Tuttle back here again,

I know that he shares a lot in common with those guys as well. Andrew, take us on out of here. Yeah, and real quick, that's what I love about our position. We're not the 69 position. Yeah. How do you do that with three? Oh, I'll show you. Okay.

Actually, I know exactly how it's done. Can you guys demonstrate with three hands? Yeah. I just only work with four people. Yeah, I see. Well, if you're in a triangle. One second. Go on, Andrew.

Well, okay. While you're messing with that, what I was going to say is we didn't box ourselves in so we can have all these different people on. Are you going to get Black Panther in there, too? No, actually, I ain't going to do that to him. Yeah, dude. He deserves more respect. More respect. I mean, you could have Marky Moo in there because that makes more sense.

It only works with four people. Yeah, see, that's what I was saying yeah okay so like a 169 how did we get here and why the fuck

are we doing this 69 times four quick I can't and see McKinn 276 I don't know that's wrong I wouldn't know

let me see how am I supposed to know I'm gonna wait for this I think it's 276 yeah yeah it's either 276 or like 8 000 i'm not sure yeah that's right hey there you go quick maths all right for the quick math make sure you guys hit the like button because that was pretty impressive in my opinion and uh yeah like they said just drop some comments down below let us know what you guys are working on and

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