Mark Bell's Power Project - On a Constant Journey for Improvement with Aaron Alexander || MBPP Ep. 857

Episode Date: December 22, 2022

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vivobarefoot.com slash powerproject and at checkout, enter promo code POWER20 to save 20% off your order. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. Out of the club of understanding of that. Some hardcore lifting. Some weird chalk or something hardcore shit

yeah i don't know i don't know what happened but uh yeah we were in the gym and next thing you know i'm like floating up in the air on your feet we did that you were there and i was upside down yeah that's what happened what was that what we did why'd you do that to me? What we did was the therapeutic version of acro yoga. So it was co-founded from a good friend called Jason Niemer. And essentially it's like you can think of airplane with your parents. I want to say dad, but I don't want to put myself in the dad position. But you put your feet up in somebody's hips

and then they drape their body over your feet. And then from there, they're in a really advantageous position to decompress the spine and go through all sorts of really therapeutic movements. And what do you say it's called? Acro yoga. Acro yoga. And what else do say it's called? Acro yoga. Acro yoga.

And what else do they do with acro yoga? Well, there's the acrobatic version of it, which gets a little more interesting to look at. And you can be having someone balancing their hands on your hands, their hands on your feet, their feet on your hands. You could go through flips and spins and all sorts of really ridiculous looking things. So that's another end that I quite enjoy because it's like one of the beautiful things about it is you're connecting with someone else. So you are learning to trust somebody else.

There's a lot of physical contact. I think you could say that the people – oh, there we go. We got some echo. Look at that. Yeah, you could say people of today. I'm almost sure I would know who at least the base. Base is called the

bottom person. The fly is called the top person. What does it take to learn? It's not that complicated. It's called a hand-to-hand there. It's not that complicated. So what you're learning to do in acro yoga is you're learning to stack your joints. Yeah. So it's not like a, like a deeply muscular thing. It's you're just

learning to stack your bones correctly. And so you could say that even learning to, um, stand is just a process of learning to stack your joints. I need to learn this for myself and my girl, to be perfectly honest, because I'll teach you. Yeah teach you that's pretty that that's gonna be but like just just being real this this is a selfish skill for myself because first off we're getting some fitness in but there's all this stuff going on and and it's just it's just so so useful for your health and your fitness yeah who is it more difficult on, top or the bottom person? There's so much innuendo in conversation. So if the top person, which is referred to as the flyer, is not coordinated or knowing

what they're doing, it becomes hard for everybody. So if you have a really good bass or a really good flyer, you can kind of make it work. If both people are not really proficient with it, it's terrible. And so as far as who's it harder for, probably the flyer. It just depends. They're really just very different. It's like apples and oranges.

Also, I have a question for you. So her, right, like you said, it's not deeply muscular. Because i have a question for you it could so her right like you said it's not deeply muscular so she because you were doing this on mark pretty easily so she could probably do this to him if she was a good base right 100 as long as you're as long yeah it's just geometry as long as your legs are long enough and that's a beautiful thing that's like you know a girl learning jujitsu and things of the sort, you're learning leverage. So as long as the geometry functions, like acroyoga, a girl basing a big guy, it's not really a big deal because it's just stacking the bones and your bones are very strong.

How did you feel when he was doing it to you? It felt amazing. Yeah? Yeah, it did. It felt really good. His feet were like into my hips and I was like draped I guess over him kind of yeah it's a little weird to talk about yeah it is

I wish we had I wish we had some videos no we do there's a YouTube video oh it's not out yet tune in but it kind of like it kind of felt a little similar to like when you lay on the reverse hyper.

You know, you got that weight kind of pinched into your hips there. Yeah. And I was just suspended by that part, and that felt good. Let my legs kind of drape down and kind of decompress the spine. It felt great. Yeah. And so what you're doing with it that's supportive and effective is you're just utilizing gravity to decongest joints that may have been contracted or braced for a very long time and you all you really know is your your standing

orientation right you know so you've repeated that standing orientation and walking and all the patterns that you do for thousands and thousands of hours to so your nervous system's kind of like hardwired into those those positions so to flip somebody upside down in that situation and they're they're in a completely new orientation so suddenly like they don't know how to control their body in that position and now you're saying okay cool breathe into the side of the ribs breathe into this part of your spine into this part of your neck and allows that nervous system to almost like work with like new terrain in a way, you know, and start to breathe into places

they didn't even realize that they had access to. It's very cool. Gravity is like, it's in the world of rolfing, structural integration, which is something that I went to school for. I'm technically a rolfer, which is another like awkward term that we can get into. That's the

main ethos of it, is using gravity actually as your therapist in a way. Do you go around stealing people's girlfriends with these maneuvers here? Because I can picture at a party, my wife or somebody else's girl being like, I want to do that.

I'd be like okay and then you start watching it and you're like she's enjoying it too much she wants to start acro yoga and then he's like who's your instructor him oh yeah you gotta avoid eye contact

with everyone involved boyfriend girlfriend you know there's a lot of looking away looking to the side that's the, with everyone involved, boyfriend, girlfriend, you know, there's a lot of looking away, looking to the side. That's kind of like jujitsu. A little bit, yeah.

Where'd you learn to be upside down, like, and walk around in your hands and shit like that? Did you do any gymnastics or was that just stuff that you've explored yourself?

All that stuff I learned as an adult. Yeah, yeah, just trying to put it together. I just, I find it very interesting to dabble with new things that I don't understand. If I don't understand something, I'd like to at least have a baseline knowledge of it.

And so with getting into handstands and hand balancing and all of that stuff, I just thought it looked cool. I think it's a cool thing. We have the opportunity to just be like that looks cool I'll lean into that compared to being in a position of maybe being more like I only

want to do things that I look good at, that I'm proficient with and there's a lot of things that I look out there and I think a lot of it's like culturally we're kind of we're orientated towards being observers because you grow up watching tv if you didn't have it like you're a trained observer as a tv watcher if you've logged your 40 000 hours of watching tv growing up that's like damn like you are a professional observer of people doing stuff play video games

too yeah but the tv is never like okay come on inside like let's do the thing you're like no i'll just don't just gonna sit in here i'm just oh well it's cool interesting yeah yeah yeah and such the adventures of other people yeah so i i think starting to try on you know that that um you know approach to, I guess, life in general. If something looks, something makes you feel good, something's like, wow, I would love to try that. Just electing to do that more. And that was

literally just for me with Acura Yoga. Saw a bunch of people doing just like this. It's like, that looks amazing. And then just walk up to the people and ask. People are so friendly. That's something that I've learned. And at this point, I might be rambling on. But I think it's interesting, like, when you travel and someone, you know, I spent like four months motorcycling around Mexico at one point on an enduro bike.

So I had a little, like, camping hammock thing. I was sleeping in random different places. It was like a whole thing. I was like 21 years old we're getting into another like chad conversation aren't we yeah like people are just nice to him right right oh what is this in the bubble what is this what happened show him the video of the bubble it's a little bit. It's too long to explain, but it's, what's the show called? It's Jon Hamm. Jon Hamm. Just type in Jon Hamm bubble.

He's a super good looking guy and he's walking with like, I think his girlfriend at the time or whatever. And somebody, he's just walking and somebody's like, dang, you look great today. He's like, oh, thanks. And then they're like, do you know who that was? No. Like, okay. They go to a restaurant where

like they only serve we'll say vegan salads or some shit and he's like oh can i get a uh a steak and blah blah blah and like sure thing and they're like they don't have that on the menu he's like what i come in like once a week and order that all the time they never tell me anything it's because he's so good looking everyone will just be like this is a little awkward now okay sure uh yeah whatever whatever you want, sir. Like, yeah,

Aaron, you want to, you want to go ahead and do, okay, yeah, whatever you want to do. You're right. You're right.

I wish you could see the clip because the clip is hilarious. I think there's like a, I think there's like a psychological term for that. It's like the halo effect or something. If you're like a hot chick

or a good looking dude, there's like this halo effect where people are like, oh yeah, like what? How can I help? you're like a hot chick or a good-looking dude there's like this halo effect where people are like oh yeah like what how can i help you're like life is amazing what are you talking losers or or like everyone's so nice when you're when you're in the when you're you're in sema in the airport trying to buy a neck pillow and somebody just gives you one just because that happened and i was like that doesn't happen to everybody i was nice to her and she was i'm nice to a lot of people she looked at me like i was her son that's that's that's that was the interaction that's that's cool

that's dirty but you know that's good anyway um back on topic did you used to believe that before did you used to think that uh like if you just went up to people and talked with them and communicated with people or asked questions that you would get answers or when maybe when you're younger did you kind of think like i'm not gonna bother that guy he's gonna tell me to go screw myself or something probably i don't know i don't know what's your guys's relationship like if going up to somebody just asking questions i was always really shy when i was young and i just thought like uh yeah it'd be best off not like don't bother people like don't right but yeah as i got older and just being in like a gym was really helpful because people would come over and give suggestions here and there. And then

I've heard a couple of guys say, Hey, like if you ever have any questions, like ask some of the other guys in here that are bigger and stronger than you. And I was like, Oh, okay, cool. There's the, so the, the longest longitudinal study that's ever been done started, I think it was in 1936. It was done in Harvard. And I think it's called the Happiness Study. And what the researchers did is they tracked these people. I don't remember how many people exactly, but it was a large group of people throughout the duration of their whole entire lives. And to be able to track and study and observe what factors in their lives induced health, led to like all-cause mortality, like longevity, all of the different things. And I'm sure you guys have heard of this before.

What they found was that the most important marker of people's health was the quality of their relationships. And that's something that I feel with reaching out and asking somebody a thing, it's actually – they might just say like, fuck off. Like, you know, I'm not interested in sharing with you, which is, which is fine. Or it might open up into one of the most important relationships of your life, you know, or just like, or just like a nice relationship or a new friend or, or just having a connection or a bond with somebody, which I think is very healing. And it's like,

you know, health inducing for the body so that was i think within that a person that is more in a disposition to be like oh i don't want to bother anybody i don't you know this and that it also as well can kind of keep a person inside their box maybe look around like people are quite lonely at least that's what statistics suggest and so i think that perhaps the starting to have kind of the the operating system of like if something's doing something cool i tell them if i like your shirt like that's a nice shirt where did you get that shirt and it's just a bridge into connection which it's not really about the shirt it's actually we're bridging this connection it's about his pants it's about his pants i like your bulge

how did you get that bulge? Next thing you know, you're hanging off his feet, hanging upside down. That's how things happen. Have you guys tried melanotan? I have, yeah. Did you use that for your show? Fuck yeah. Do you use melanotan?

I'm about to. Wait, why? What's going on here with melanotan? Well, tan. Do you need more of a tan dog? I just like it. I don't need more libido either, but I'd like it.

Tan and libido. You got to be careful with the amount that you take, though. It can make you shivery and make your skin feel kind of weird. I don't know. I'm so curious about it. You're 35, right? That's correct. Man, we don't even talk about it, but I'm very curious about your. You're 35, right? That's correct. Man, we don't even talk about it, but I'm very curious about your 20s.

Because when did you learn acro yoga? Oh, boy. Probably like 21. That's a dangerous art to learn as a 21-year-old. It is. It could be. You have to use your powers for good. That's what I'm saying.

I wish I learned it at 21. Because, actually, it'd just be a very good skill to have. But as a guy in general, it's a great thing to be able to do with people, but then it can also lead to connection. It's a healthy practice, right? Well, it's just like if you know how to dance and you can just grab any chick and fucking twirl around and shit. So jealous of those guys. Right. So it's kind of like the same thing. you know you can make that connection in that way as

well yeah yeah yeah dance is is has been you guys can like talk about uh comedic relatable things and i'll just come back to some you know dry study that'll be that'll be the the cadence there was uh there was another study done in the albert einstein school of medicine and it was around what types of activities are best for preventing cognitive decline and so they did like crossword puzzles and you know taking a walk and like all the different things that you might do was creating music in there at all? Probably. Okay. But what they found was music in relation to dance, in relation to another person, was the best superfood slash super activity to prevent cognitive decline. So dementia and just memory loss, all the different things. And the suggestion with that is, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious in a lot of ways, but you're just doing so much.

So you're coordinating your body to music. You're also going through that kind of like that tension of like with another person, am I going to, you know, are they going to judge me? Am I going to mess it up? So it's just this really, you know, it's like a, a, uh, the ante is quite high on that experience as compared to, oh, I just did a bicep curl. Yeah. Super great. Love a bicep curl. But the level of just like energy that it takes to coordinate with another person and then there's also like fun and joy and laughter and all these different emotions. It was the highest leverage tool to prevent cognitive decline. I hate to be that bro, but I'm about to be that bro.

I wonder how – I think your brain went to – I wonder if jujitsu would be somewhere. For sure. I was researching, but absolutely it would. Yeah, jujitsu is dance. Yeah. Yeah, it's the same thing. You're coordinating with somebody else.

That's like, so another thing, at some point you guys will say something funny and you'll take it away, so please. All right. But another thing is the reduction in rough and tumble play. One of the worst things that you could do for a child. So an example of this is dogs, when they are learning to teeth, they're like gnawing on stuff. A part of that as well is they're teaching their jaw how to function and understanding how to be a sensitive biter.

Yeah. So if you stop a dog from understanding how to go through their thousands and thousands of repetitions of biting it actually becomes a more dangerous dog because now there's not these gradients of a spectrum of bite there's like pent up energy in the bite yeah for a human when you're going through jujitsu and boxing and wrestling and playing tag and like all of that, you're learning how to be a more sensitive human being. Let me ask you this because tell us a little bit about your history with physical fitness like bodybuilding. When did you start that?

Because you're now doing a lot of things. We can talk about jujitsu and that stuff because you do that. You do acroyoga. We need to point out you're 6'4 and like 230, right? I'm actually – I don't think you're supposed to. I think it's embarrassing to say, but I'm technically directly between 6'4 and 6'5. I'm 6'4.5 and I'm

220 pounds. Not that it matters. Why are you hiding? Right now he's hiding his gains from y'all. At some point in the podcast, he's going to pull that out and you're going to be very surprised about the delts you see. I'm actually slowly contracting right now to develop a pump yeah what if he took some niacin he's ready to go yeah the the arnold quote i i feel like i'm calming that's what's what's coming

to mind right now you guys watch uh pumping iron more than 10 times i never saw the whole thing sadly so i'm not a true mean i never saw the whole thing i've seen you understand like coming i get the coming i've seen bits and pieces of pumping iron but i never watched the whole thing i know you've probably pumping iron so many times i idolized those guys growing up yeah oh yeah yeah that was like a big transition point for me that was like what i thought it was to like you know i don't know about like be a man but i was all in on that that was bodybuilding kind of fell out of style in the last recent in a way i think and now i think it's actually kind of making a re-emergence i believe as well what makes you say that i'm curious just the bubbles that i'm in i feel like there was kind of a lot of shit talk on bodybuilding for a while whereas in like the arnold time it was incredible i think

really beautiful yeah and really aspirational and then when it transitioned i think into like nothing is ronnie coleman but like that era of bodybuilding where it became just just big get as big as you can yeah as opposed to symmetry balance like actually looking like an athletic graceful body it's just like if you're huger than anyone then this is good you know same thing happens with plastic surgery you know it's and there's like there's a you go to columbia or someplace and it's like seeing the butt implants and all the different things it's like no no it's like there's a there's a range we went to too much isn. Too much isn't always better. So I think that that happened with bodybuilding.

And now probably it's coming back into a place where there's a movement towards athleticism and all the stuff that you guys are so good with investigating and doing yourselves, like the contralateral movement and multi-planar movement and rotational patterns and all that stuff. And you can also integrate gains and hypertrophy-based training into those movements, which is, I think, more aesthetically pleasing as well. What didn't work for you bodybuilding-wise? All focus on the beach muscles. Yeah, because I was young and dumb and just muscle and fitness and very mirror-centric.

So if I didn't see it, then it wasn't there. And that was also during an era, like before cell phone cameras being as common, you know? So I didn't have like a cell phone camera at that time. So it was pretty much just like me looking at myself in the mirror, you know? And so I was just all about the pecs and abs and my pecs felt, I didn't feel, I like body dysmorphia i would say so i would if there was ever a photo being taken i would literally like stop everything run out of the room go do a bunch of pull-ups kind of like i did before this podcast hey we've had guys on this podcast before that have stood here and I'm talking to Mark. I was like, hold on. I got to get a pup.

Hey, we've had guys on this podcast before that have stood here and flexed the whole time. Flexed the pecs. Flexed the triceps. Yeah, remember? Yeah, that. Oh, I wish you could say his name. It wouldn't be appropriate. I wish you could say who you're talking about, but it wouldn't be appropriate. It was more than one.

We've had more than one guess. Am I doing it right now? You're not. I'm going to have to get out of that book. Bro. My flannel. Oh, yeah. That's tough.

It's tough. It's a tough life. Anyway. Are we going to do this show or not? We are doing this show. Hit record. No, I think we can start. I think we can start.

I think we can start. No, we can start. I think we can start. No, we're going to go in. In three, two, one. Serious. Serious. Everyone be... Okay. That's good.

We're going in. That's two. That's two. I don't know what I'm going to do with my hands. That's not good. If you guys are listening right now, I'm sorry. Man, there's just a lot going on on the video side of it. A lot of action.

These mind bullets are good. You mentioned this. A lot of action. These mind bullets are good. You mentioned that. What a great advertisement for it. It's great for focus. Maybe not. Maybe it is. Maybe it's not. I don't know.

You mentioned that you were playing hockey and that you were bodybuilding. And then bodybuilding made you like, I don't know, it maybe didn't make you, but the way that you were bodybuilding, you got kind of big and stiff and it didn't work out great with hockey. Just disconnected. Yeah. So there's only so much – like the body is comprised of 640-odd muscles, give or take. So for you to isolate that down – but ultimately the body doesn't realize that. So for you to isolate that down – but ultimately the body doesn't realize that. So a muscle is just like an individuated band of fibers that's been cut out from an anatomist with a scalpel.

And they say, aha, muscle, bicep, brachialis, triceps or quad or whatever. It might have some sort of intelligence but not a lot. The body doesn't know what the hell you're talking about, you know? And so when you're isolating and you look at a, you know, a machine and you see, aha, this is vastus medialis or this is semi-memberment burnosis or whatever the

heck is on there. Yeah. Um, the body's like, bro, I just know movement. And so when we try to, or when I was trying to fit myself into these very specific training of very specific muscles without awareness of how to put it all together, it literally just became clunky and less graceful and less athletic.

And I went from being like pretty good at hockey to literally progressively – as I got more jacked and more interesting to look at um i just each year i got i got i got shittier at ice hockey and so that was an interesting like revelation of sorts for me it took me probably like another decade to kind of start to be able to pick it and understand i just thought i was starting to suck and everybody was getting better than me but it was that my training was garbage we gotta pause for a second we gotta talk about hockey oh please i think it's the greatest it's the greatest sport. I still watch highlights all the time. There's no reason for me to watch highlights on YouTube.

Do you look at my YouTube freaking Discover page? It's just like ice hockey highlights. I'm like, what am I doing? Does this still happen? Are there still goons in hockey? No, that stopped. Okay, explain goons. It was just a fighter that was on the team.

Yeah, like Donald Brashear and the Flyers or people of the sort. Wait, they're meant to just Bob Probert fight? Yeah. Or the,

yeah, their goal, they're not good at hockey. They're good enough to play in the NHL, but literally their function is to be an enforcer. So their function.

And they're huge. Yeah. A lot of them are really big. Yeah. A lot of them end up killing themselves and like drug overdoses and depression. Well, because concussions. Concussions. Yeah. A lot of them are really big. Yeah. A lot of them end up killing themselves. Oh. And like drug overdoses and depression. Well, because concussions.

Concussions. Yeah. They beat the shit out of their brain over and over again. It's so much tension and so much pressure. Imagine that. Hockey players play a lot of hockey. I think the average amount of games that a player is playing in the NHL, they're doing like two or three games a week.

Look up Bob Prober and Ty Domi. I i love ty domey he's a little guy supposedly these guys fought like 15 times on the ice and the story is that they like fought off the ice too like these guys just would always and and they were like i think they were cool with each other they just like they just loved to fight and they would fight each other what What was the name again? Ty Domi and Bob Probert. But I think Bob Probert, I think he did commit suicide. He died somehow prematurely. Yeah, drug overdose is a big thing with it. But just imagine the pressure of that, of you're going in.

And hockey fights aren't easy. You're punching helmets. They always pull the shirt over your head. And then they punch the fuck out of you. And then they punch the fuck out of you. Yeah, they punch the fuck out of you. Look at these guys. Every time. Look how big the guy in the red is.

That's Bob Prober. That's Probes. And the other guy's kind of little. Jesus Christ. Yeah, and so you're breaking. And the ref is just standing. They let them go. Yeah, they let them go.

Well, the refs can't really safely do much. The ref gets in there and the ref gets killed, and I think that's originally why they kind of allowed it just to happen because the ref's going to fall because everyone's on ice. I have a question, guys, real quick. So where did hockey start? What's the base country where hockey – Canada.

Canada, for sure. Okay, so they're like the nicest people, but within their country sport, there's something left there for people to just fight? Why? Maybe it's like the best jiu-jitsu guys don't have really much to say, right? So here's kind of why it happens. It happens because other players will take shots at the best guys on the ice, the most talented guys. Sometimes they just try to take them out.

A little hip check or some cheap shit. And as soon as the cheap shit goes on, then the enforcer comes out. So that guy didn't even want to fight right there, but he's like, F it, I might as well go for it. The guy that there's a documentary, I forget his name, but if you look up, you don't need to, but his name is The Boogeyman, was his nickname. He was one of the most famous enforcers.

I'd actually looking him up just because I'm curious what his name is. But yeah, it was a similar situation where he ended up like ODing and a lot of depression and all the things. It's just that repetitive. And you look at a hockey fight, it's not MMA where it's cool.

I'm kicking you in the shin. I'm going to do a single leg. I'm going to try an arm bar. I'm going to kick you in the body. There's two guys that are trained in that. These are guys that are just throwing hand-mixers. It's just cool. I'm going to grab you by the the jersey and just concuss the side of your face on repeat over it's like it's like a shake weight but for concussions just over and

over again against the side of your face that times three games a week times you know broken hands hitting helmets all of that stuff times the of that, times you start to fall off and feel like, oh, maybe I don't want to do this. Oh, you have to do this. You're being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars to do this. Go out there and effing do it. Hockey is really interesting. These guys are super athletic. It's not uncommon for them to be your size, right?

A lot of guys are pretty darn big, especially the NHL guys. Now it's getting smaller for them to be your size right a lot of guys are pretty pretty darn big especially the nhl guys now it's getting smaller faster and younger so there's not so much like that enforcer culture why do you think it's making that change i think probably just like the sydney crosby's of of the world are just like they're putting points on the on the board i think it's just like cool like more of that and of that. And then also something interesting with it that I would have never anticipated was talking about the endless hours of ice hockey highlights that I watch

as a 35-year-old. But another part of it as well is now because of YouTube and social media, you see these hockey tricks. And there's a lot of pretty influential hockey trick influencers. I don't know any of their names. But they're just doing these crazy tricks. With and there's a lot of like pretty pretty influential hockey trick influencers i don't know any of their names but they're just doing these crazy tricks with a puck and a yeah so it's the same thing it's like this cross dissemination of information basketball or

something some some more fun other form of entertainment within the sport like a hockey and one mixtape yeah there's like a hockey and one mixtape type thing going so that so you have these young kids learning these like and that's what looks interesting as well you know so you have these young kids just getting better and better and better and better you know and why i was like a peewee or squirt hockey player i didn't have internet so there was no all the inspiration was whoever was like good in my ice rink whereas now your inspiration is all the crazy dope shit that's happening across the planet it's very interesting i think how the internet changes things. Pretty cool.

So you probably can bodybuild though and play a sport. Totally. And do great. But for you, that wasn't your experience. Why do you think, what was missing in your training or what happened that led you to be stiff and uncoordinated? Just bad training. Yeah. Like Gordon Ryan is an example of that. The jiu-jitsu

competitor. He fights tonight, I think, right? Against Nicky Rod. Yeah, exactly. We'll see how that goes. Who do you think is going to win? Gordon, for sure. For sure? For sure.

I put some trust in Nicky Rod as a dark horse. I love Nicky Rod. I love Nicky Rod. Yeah. Yeah. I know Nicky Rod. We've done YouTube videos together. We like, like I,

I like, I, you know, I like them both. Um, but yeah, I mean, if you,

if you saw ADCCs, it's like, it's immaculate. It's kind of sad. Almost like the, the level, the degree that he is above the competition, it's almost like there's two leagues in a way.

So there's Gordon and then there's the other competition. Yeah. But it's so disparate, like it's so disconnected and so far. It almost makes it like it's beautiful to watch, but it's almost like not that interesting. Yeah. In a way. I mean, it's amazingly interesting. Cause like,

wow, how do you do that? But he, he has like some prodigal stuff going on. I think the biggest thing that he has is, is, um, having a coach,

having Donaher. That's what a lot of the other competitors, I think don't have to the degree that he has. Yes. And a lot of the other highest level competitors, they are the coach, which that's like a very different thing. So to have like the custom motto type scenario in your life where it's like, cool, you're

like the old sensei guy. Like I'm the young whippersnapper. I'm the best. I could be the coach. Coach is coach, coach. But you like, you are my coach. I think it's a very, very important factor for him. They also, they also live together for a while.

So he like, you know, he lived it for a long time. Yeah. Which is important. Oh him. They also lived together for a while, so he lived it for a long time. Yeah. Which is important. And the level, just like the level that they work for it, I mean, I don't really know. I've trained at one time. I've been through New Wave where they train a handful of times, and I've worked with some of the

athletes there as well. And they just, they train all the time. It's like at least two days a week. Gentlemen, are on so i'll be right back two times a day yeah gordon ryan he specifically uh does like bodybuilding style training do you it does that's what i was gonna say yeah does he does he do like are you aware like if he does anything else or is he like in there literally like kind of um you know bench squat deadlift variations and he's just like build trying to build hypertrophy when he's in the gym yeah so his uh girlfriend has a background with

bodybuilding she was a competitive bodybuilder uh and so most of the training from i've never trained i've never trained with him but most of the training that he does i believe is mostly influenced from her or largely influenced from her and it's mostly bodybuilding based stuff so he uses bodybuilding because he's training jujitsu so much yeah so he's patterning movement and then adding robusticity and density to connective tissue via you know adding load yeah outside of that but he's but the foundation definitely isn't bodybuilding he's not bodybuilding himself into being Gordon Ryan. He's jiu-jitsuing himself into being Gordon Ryan, and then he adds that as an add-on. I see.

He doesn't have an overemphasis on bodybuilding so much that it's messing him up for his sport. It's improving him for his sport. It's improving, yeah. Now, that makes me wonder, when you were using bodybuilding in ice hockey, did you just take it too far with what you were doing with bodybuilding with your training? I was just so imbalanced i was so into i had a a some hang up about needing to have bigger pecs it's like embarrassing to talk about i mean it's not that embarrassing but it's just we all we all have i mean i still want bigger pecs yeah it's just it's just yeah it just feels it feels a little soft but but so like i was you know i was like so like feel a little soft meaning a little bit harder right flaccid flaccid pecs

there you go get in there pec minor yeah that bad oh well bye yeah i like the contact that was good um have you guys ever had prostate massage not yet not yet On the bathroom floor? One of the saddest moments of my life was laying curled up around beside my toilet in a bathroom in Boulder, Colorado. Andrew leaves for two seconds. We're talking about prostate massages. Oh, nice. No, this isn't prostate massage. Oh, okay.

No, no, it's different. We can go back to that. Yeah, we can go prostate massage. Oh, okay. No, no, it's different. We can go back to that. Yeah, we can go layers through the rectum here. So this was curled up beside my toilet running a coffee enema into my butthole. You guys ever get down on that? I've never tried it. I think I've heard of it. Is this a Ben Greenfield thing?

Give us a two-minute speech on why we need to do coffee enemas. Ready? Go. I don't think you do. That's my starting point. I was hoping that would be some sort of intrigue here. You'll be shocked at what it's going to do for you.

I think with the coffee, I'm talking out of my ass here. That was not an intentional pun. I think what it does is it catalyzes contraction. I think it helps induce peristalsis, which is like the contraction of the parts. I think that's what it's for. But it also gives you like a buzz. I shit a lot as it is, so I don't know.

What was your intention here, though? Like what were you doing it for? I just read about stuff. Coffee enema? Wow. tension here though like what were you doing it for i just read about stuff coffee anima wow this sounds i like trying stuff man that's good now could you just tell us the process of what you did you're like what how did this work what did you set up you use gravity like acroyoga you know you set you get yourself a nice bag, a little tube. Yeah. Put it up, the situation. Are you ass up? You mix it up.

No, I was laying down, bag up. And this was just one of those moments where I had kind of like a third person look down, you know, just observing myself. Just dissociated for a second. Yeah. This is like, I mean, this is like my 23-year-old self living in Boulder, Colorado, holding a bag above my ass. You're like, I'm repulsive.

It's like, what have I become? Look at where I'm at. Dad, please don't find out about this, Dad. Did you have a moment of like, well, this is what I do now. This is who I am. The line has been crossed. This is who I am. Oh, God.

How'd I get here? That was one of those moments. Even better, you put yourself there. Thank you for listening, guys. I feel seen and heard. Oh, that's great. Now, okay, so we were deep with the coffee edema. Prostate massage.

Very important. Okay. Yeah. I believe bottoms, gay bottoms, have significantly less incidence of prostate cancer, which is like, I think it's considered just like, oh yeah, at some point if you get old enough, you're going to get a little cancer back there. You got to get a semen down there? Because I could do that with a turkey baster.

I'm sorry, dog. This is just powerful information what are you doing it's it's not that it's not even that funny fuck it actually fuck he just gets excited this is powerful information it is okay so they have yeah you want you know you want things to be uh perturbated you want things to be circulated and you get a lot of tension in around that territory get a little tool you know you get up there and uh you know you get a little movement you know you have a point like it's like a little massager thing you can get right yeah i recommend it honestly yeah especially i mean i i don't know if this is what do you think what do you think it will help? I don't know.

I mean, I think honestly, no, I think. What does it help you, maybe? This is just opinion. This isn't something that I regularly do. It's something that I have explored. I think it's a valuable thing to explore. It's a valuable thing to explore. But people hold a lot of tension in their ass, man. That's true.

Bro, like right now, I noticed my anal sphincters clenched a little bit i'm just i just released my shit i loosened up after you said that right yeah you know yeah and so if you're walking around all day with a tight ass that's a problem think about no that actually will probably link to your lower back too like you're for sure and then your lower back is lower function all the different things i'm serious no you're totally right about that and your prostate you know if so if there's and this gets into things that i don't really you know have a strong opinion on but i i think that there can be if there's like shame or trauma say there was actually like legit proper trauma in that territory yeah and then you just kind of shelf it you stuff it down and you move on with your life i think it's wise to not

have insecurity or fear of like any part of the body it's interesting that we have there most people maybe it's just me but a lot of shame around some parts of their body which is odd when you think about it like that's what i'm saying a dick a forearm what's the difference what's the difference what's the difference it What's the difference? What's the difference? It's all the same. Just let it all flop around. What do you mean? It's just the fact that there is some level of shame there,

which I think it's like an interesting thing with holding contraction in the body someplace. I think we mentioned in the YouTube video, I don't think we mentioned it on here, the Moshe Feldenkrais, Feldenkrais Method guy, he called that held tension that you don't realize it's there he called a parasitic tension so that parasitic tension acts as like an energetic parasite i mean energy in a very like literal calorie type way where you're expending caloric energy to maintain these deep intrinsic bracing

patterns or like contractions beliefs feelings traumas whatever they might be beliefs beliefs feelings traumas manifest themselves into physical structural patterns that's not woo-woo that's not like just be scared for a second what is the physical body look like when it's scared you know you might feel contraction remanible you might feel scalenes scm all that stuff you might feel your breath start to move up into the shoulders. You know, it's like you might clench your frequent sphincters, clench your hands. Like that is fear. Think about when you first started running.

Think about like the places where. My butthole. Well, I mean, there could be that. But also just like when I first started running too or like reintroduced running as part of what I do. Massive tension in the traps and back. And I had to continue to tell myself fucking drop drop relax you know what i mean open like the that is that's actually that that makes sense i've had dr romanoff from the pose method on my podcast a while ago have you ever done stuff with him i we never have he's heard of him oh he'd be a good one he's fun fun. He's wild. He's like a wild, ridiculous person.

And he took me through. We did a YouTube video and all the different things. And he took me through a bunch of different exercises. One of the biggest things is out of my realm of expertise. I'm not like a – I wouldn't coach anyone in running or anything. I'm more just helping create the mobility to be able to go through the ranges of motion. But not an expert in running. But he is and a lot of it was like most of it was releasing tension you know and that's i've i've seen some drills from other coaches that are quite good with running and one of the

drills that i that i i observed was just spending a bunch of time, just shaking out the shoulders, shaking out the hips and just moving and just where can you find, is there any tension in the body? Okay, cool. I feel my ankle, feel my hip and just like wringing it out. Where's the tension?

Where? Okay. Less tension. Okay. Less tension. Okay. Oh, I'm like completely relaxed in my body and slowly allow that to morph into what looks more like running as opposed to

starting off with this like pre-tension in the body and saying okay i'm gonna run you know start go the other direction say okay like let's just like rinse out all the tension in the body and and build from that point uh and then you don't have a bunch of parasitic tension while you're while you're out there running, which is going to create friction. It's going to create inflammation. It's going to create less, it's just going to be less productive movement.

It seems like this has been an amazing journey for you. It seems like you are like in search of something and it seems like you're starting to find some of it. What do you feel like you're in search of? Do you have any idea? What makes you say that? I don't know. I've just known you for a long time.

I've known you for a handful of years. And when I first met you five or six years ago, I don't think you had a name in the fitness industry really. Right? No. Yeah, people didn't know who you were. I started the podcast seven and a half years ago. And I've heard your name kicked around by other kind of high-level performer type of people.

Cool. Mostly around prostate stuff, I imagine. Oh, yeah. Mainly surrounding the controversy. Prostate Aaron Alexander. The controversy over the prostate incident of 2021. It's almost like a single word. But, yeah, I don't know.

You feel like you're in search of something? That's an interesting insight. Just trying to be more open-minded? Or were you open-minded previously? And this has kind of always been your path of curiosity? Are you in search of something? I promise I'm not. Well, I guess I am deflecting a little bit.

Isn't everybody in search of something? Yeah, but it seems like you're poking around for answers, like looking for stuff to be better kind of consistently. And yes, I am always doing that. But this show is about you, my brother. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what I'm – that's a really interesting question.

I mean if I was going to be really real, what am I searching for? I enjoy doing things that seem like they have the likelihood of making me feel more like myself, whatever that is exactly. And I think that we grow up in a way where there can be a lot of different layers of shame, guilt, fear, which can manifest themselves as a lot of avoidant patterns that turn into addiction to cell phone, to love addiction to drugs addiction to money power and most of those are like shields to protect us from something that's at a deep core root level there's like a holding and so i think i i personally feel some level of um i think there's more you know like i think there's there's there's there's more to life than just like getting more stuff and i on occasion pretty regularly will feel like a certain level of like yearning you know in buddhism they call it like the hungry ghost is the metaphor with that is a sensation of like a a mythological creature that has this huge belly and really small gullet and they can never feed the belly. And so they just keep eating and more and more.

And then you finally like, okay, I eat all the food. And then you're like, more. And so I think I've had that for – since I was like a little kid in a way. think i've had i've had that for uh since i was like a little kid in a way um and i've filled that that that like vacuous void with lots of different things and it's turned into becoming more you know reading more books trying to learn all the different things i want to know everything if somebody's doing something like i'd really like to know it um be more jacked you know so i feel like more superficially validated. Uh, but I think there's a deep, I don't know if you, if you intended for this to like go as, as deep as I'm kind of going

with it, but I feel like there's like a, yeah, this, there, there's still like this kind of void sensation that, uh, I think I've filled with a lot of different things, but I'd like to get to the root of that. And that's why i do weird shit like darkness retreats and vipassanas and psychedelics and stuff and and and reach out to like community and men and people that i respect and mentors and um you know all of that because i feel like there's like more i don't think i'm i'm at the the bottom of it yet do you ever think that you'll reach the bottom though because like that that that feeling of a void, I don't know. I feel like we all feel that and we're consistently trying to do new things and find holes, but I don't know if there's a point that that'll ever,

you'll ever reach perfection, right? Like, well, not perfection, ease, ease. Okay. So you've, you're saying that you, you don't feel at ease? Not always. Definitely not. Nobody does. I get that. But yeah, I would like to be in a place in my mind and my body where I can be alone for 10 days or 5 days or whatever. And just be like, like, this feels good. You know, there's not a sensation of like, I'd feel good if, okay, another I'd feel good if,

I'll be happy when, you know, so I think like going into those parts of, and I think ultimately, it probably for many people, myself included, comes down to like a inability or just not knowing exactly how to perhaps trust love or be able to like love myself, be able to love other people, be able to allow love in. I think there's like, yeah, a lot of heavy shit in there in relation to that for me. Do you think you still have body dysmorphia? No, not to the degree that I did as a kid. So as a kid, there was like all sorts of interesting stuff. My dad's a completely recovered drug addict. He was like very deep into crack cocaine. He'd come home with like bullet holes in the car on occasion.

It just happened one time. But it was like shit like that. asian that just happened one time but it was like shit like that um so like pretty heavy uh of just experiencing like your main father you know your main male figure in that orientation as a 16 year old uh and so i've kind of glossed around a lot of that stuff and kind of said things like oh it was really interesting it was really fascinating it's like, it was like scary and hard, you know, for like a, like a, a little boy that is trying to find an anchor in the world. Scary and confusing. Yeah. Yeah, man. You know, and so I, I think being open, like a lot of this strong guy stuff is a lot of people that are brilliant compensators, which I would say I'm, I'm maybe not a brilliant compensator, but definitely a compensator. I'm maybe not a brilliant compensator, but definitely a compensator.

And they've arrived to a point where they're bigger than anyone. They're stronger than anyone. They have more money than anyone. They've got a hotter chick than anyone. And there's still a feeling of like, more. You know? At least that's my experience. We were talking about this yesterday, but i'm curious about that like you know um for all of us

to an extent i can speak for myself where i'm bringing guns out here there we go guys yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah are you guys seeing this right now we should pose off like the michael shoulders thank you this guy's banged out right now. All right. He tried to hide it, but then striations came out of his shoulders. The most dangerous person, I think, is behind the back, like the Masvidal before he knocked out Askren.

Oh, God. Like, you start out a fight, and you're kind of behind the back. You're not so this is an interesting thing that when a person is posturing as though like i'm the biggest i'm the strongest i want to show you that yeah yeah it's always insecurity you know unless they're like playing 3d chess where they're kind of like layering on top of you know insecure on top of confidence on top of insecurity um or however that order go. But a person that can come from that place and get the ribs to stack effectively over the pelvis

and the pelvis over the knees and over the feet and just have this kind of like boom, like the cylinder is stacked. They're breathing confidently. That breath is moving horizontally down low into the ribs. It's not up into the upper lobes of the lungs, which are very small. You're not actually getting good airflow in there.

And it's just boom. It's very cool. If someone comes into a fight like that, you have to be highly uncomfortable. Because if they're like, I'm going to fight you right now. Do you know that vision? Can you pull up the Masvidal fight? Yeah, when he's sitting on the cage.

Right, because it was a nine-second fight. So you can see in the beginning. Yeah, was his leg on the cage? Dude, that's gnarly. Like that, you see somebody like that, and it oh no what have i done how do i get out of this situation but okay actually let's just watch here it is here it is god this is history this is worth I'm going to smoke you. That position. Yeah. Bop, bop, bop, bop. Jesus. That's a little sad. But that's very sad.

Was that Ben Askren's last fight? It was his last big fight. Yeah, he came back a little bit. Yeah, okay. Compared to cut Conor McGregor, Khabib, and now he's like one of his most famous, or yeah, it was Khabib, right? of his most famous or yeah it was khabib right where that most famous situation we came out he does his like gorilla strut thing uh-huh knock the fuck out

yeah i don't know if he was knocked out but scariest part was when uh him and khabib were on the stage and khabib was like say say now say it now you're so punchable or whatever i love khabib like i actually think i love khabib now yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like oh shit that quiet confidence and like dependability i have great admiration for yeah it's very cool the way that the way that he does life it was pretty awesome okay this one i was gonna ask you about the um using or like let's say using strength as a as a mask for your insecurities or whatever um we talked about it before where when we feel a level of stress discomfort like i remember someone important to me died a few years ago and my immediate thing was like i was like when i heard

about i was like fuck and i was like i need to go jujitsu like that was that was just where my brain went because i knew that by physically exerting myself, I'll be able to think about this in a more clear fashion. True. So it makes you wonder. I look at that as a healthy way, as a healthy thing for myself. It might not be the thing that everyone goes towards. But using that, it seems as if like it's not necessarily we lift to lift our insecurities, but more so it can be a form of exertion so you can think clearer about other things. At least that's how it is for myself.

Yeah. Well, yes. With anything, it's not the kind of car you drive. It's not the amount of muscle tissue you have on your frame. It's not like anything. It's what's at the root of muscle tissue you have on your frame. It's not like anything. It's what's at the root of why you're doing that. So if you're a person that's not like me and historically has a healthy relationship with exercise and putting on muscle and all those things, that's amazing. I'm so grateful that that exists.

Like I'm so grateful that that exists. And for that, it's the same output of they're both muscular or have a nice car or, you know, nice watch or whatever. But at the root of it, there was one person that was almost like enslaved by that, you know? This is common in, as you guys are learning more about, like ultra runners oftentimes are like ultra running away from something, not always, but there's, there's, there's drug addiction is something that's not like, I don't know what the percentage is, but it's, it's there, you know? And that's like, okay, what is that? You know? I'm like, what if I'm just here with myself, it's too much. Okay. I'm just going to run. Can't be idle. Yeah. Okay. I'm just going to keep going. And now I'm, it's great because your, your muscles are essentially like endocrine

organs, you could say, you know, and so you're producing all the different irisin and the BDNF and all the things that, you know, the, the corresponding neurochemicals and hormones that make you feel better. So it's like a super healthy outlet um but even so you will temporarily feel better but are you just quelling a deeper sensation of actual dissatisfaction or fear shame or like whatever whatever the story is yeah uh or are you coming from a place of like no i just like tapping into my endogenous medicine cabinet and i do it from a healthy place. It's not like if you have a bunch of money and a bunch of muscles, like, you know, you're hurt, but maybe, you know, it could be a compensation. Something to think about as an individual,

like look at why you're doing that, why you're choosing to. Yeah. Why? Why? Yeah. Yeah. What, uh, was this, uh, this uh like well i guess before we transition to that i was going to say um something that i observed it's very difficult to fix the mind with the mind so we can't we do have the ability to reinterpret stuff um but something else has to happen other than just reinterpretation a lot of times, especially with like a trauma from your childhood, something that really disturbed you, something that really moved you. Even as an adult, you might be more mature and you might have new thoughts on stuff. You might say, well, it's a choice for me to be sad about that. And that is true. The choice would be sad, mad.

It's a choice. And everyone has that right to feel whatever way they want to feel. Something I've learned over the years is that you can choose how you feel in a way that favors you the best. Again, however, I don't think you can only heal the mind with the mind. So you'll probably have to actually give these things a little bit more thought. And they might need to be worked through in other ways than just your thinking. Exercising, doing challenging, hard things, just keeping your eyes open. You and I were just talking about like looking up, like looking at the sky and just observing the world around you, trying to find beauty, trying to find happiness and other things. So yeah, a lot of that is going on in the mind,

but I think some physicality, some sort of physical something, we talked about just getting in the sunlight, going on a walk, a lot of these physical things can really help as well. So the, we know that psychologically you could be damaged to where it's paralyzing. We know physically you can be paralyzed to where it can negatively impact your mind. And we know with Nsema, who's been very athletic most of his life, when he had an injury in soccer, it was misery for a while, right? Absolutely. Yeah, it was really, really tough. it was misery for a while right like it was really yeah it's really really tough uh so it's easy sometimes for us to look at other people and to judge and to say i don't understand like

you know i got off the couch when i was fat how come that guy can't get off the couch yeah when he's heavy and it because that guy has a different experience going on he's got different shit going on yeah anyway i'm gonna move on from that. I want to know about this darkness retreat. What was going on with that? Yeah. So I wrote a book called The Aligned Method that came out originally like three years ago. And then there was a revised version that came out like a year ago. In that book, one of the chapters is about vision and the way that your vision affects it's like pulled it's

like a toggle for your physiology and that's kind of like we were talking about like looking up makes you feel a different way than looking down looking left looking right going into panoramic vision like andrew huberman is he's probably like the godfather of this at least in popularizing a lot of this research um you know so if we're stressed out we're gonna probably get a little bit more myopic and focused on the task if we we're just chilling, you know, we're going to go into that panoramic vision, relax the eyes in that chapter and doing research for that, which Andrew Hubram actually helped with that chapter and like revising, which I'm immensely grateful for. Um, one of the things was like, Oh, interesting. It's all about like vision and light and circadian rhythms and stuff.

What about no light? And so in that, we included this thing called darkness retreat. And so they brought it back I think pretty much originally in the Czech Republic. It was kind of like the big bring back of it. It's originally a Buddhist thing. They do it in Colombia, a tribe called the Kogi people do it through childhood for a while. It's a big part of their childhood. What do you mean a while? Real quick. I've heard

that it's eight years. They just don't go out in the sun. That's some Bane type shit right there. I've heard that. Don't quote me on that. I'm going to confirm that. I need to find, meet some Kogis and be like, come on, son. Like eight years? Like, bro.

But yeah, they're very much like that tribe. I think a big part of their, I don't know a lot about the Kogi people. But a big part of their thing is like spiritual transcendence and stuff like that. It's like a part of their culture and like the dream state. So we put a lot of energy into the waking state. W waking state is kind of just another dream it's just a waking dream you know and then there's the dream state which is what we consider we collectively like aha cool that's just a dream you know but ultimately like the world is a bunch of waves and particles and frequencies going into our eyes and then we're flipping the image upside down and it's going

through this processing chip and it's it's just particles and waves it's not that we tie the meaning onto it based off of the story that we tell ourselves about it um you know and ultimately you know it's it's you know the difference between sleeping and waking like who knows maybe this is this is kind of a a an interesting idea the idea that like perhaps this he's ever thought about this of uh when you have a dream it feels like it's forever yes and the idea of like maybe what we're doing right now is just a big one like you're gonna wake up from this thing at some point yeah anyways that's like koge stuff they're like yeah like let's lean into that part.

But so in that chapter we wrote about that, the suggestion is that by being in a dark room with yourself for a while, essentially deep parts of your mental emotional self will start to surface. You naturally address them because you have no other option but to allow them to come out and ends up looking like maybe screaming maybe kicking punching maybe meditating maybe yawning maybe crying maybe like like the whole plethora of different possible human expressions yeah and you just feel shit come up it's very strange if you're ever done like uh have you guys done any like long meditations of vipassana or anything like that? You're just sitting with yourself for an hour or something? I haven't done an hour.

I've done most 25 minutes. Okay. I mean, you can get with running too, but just being with yourself. Yeah. Sitting in an airport, you've got nothing to do. You're just like, huh. So that times take away all of the light, all of the possible, you know, avoiding strategies of cool, look at my phone and do whatever. And those little anxieties or discomforts or, you know, compulsive patterns of like, oh, I want to do that.

Take that off the table. The suggestion is that allows these like deep held, you know, neurotic patterns in yourself to start to surface and come out and their suggestion is that like you know heals a lot of strange random mysterious things people come in for all sorts of conditions and they come out and with resolution very often i'm not saying that in a scientific way uh that's just the the anecdotal experience what are some interesting anecdotes that you've seen or heard? Well, I think the big thing

would just be things like, the more apparent ones would be chronic anxiety, depression, things like that. And there's some other stuff. I don't know any specific anecdotes to be able to share. But those misalignments of the mind

where you compulsively are going through these thought loops and feeling loops. If you're with it, if you just sit with it, typically, and this is a very Buddhist perspective as well. In Buddhism, they call this the samskara is a term for it literally translates to impression. And so at some point in a person's life, we've all had them. You have some quote unquote traumatic experience happen. Trauma would just be to just put definition onto like a very nebulous word that gets thrown around. You could say trauma is just something that some event that happened that you didn't have the resources to be able to process so instead of actually like allowing like be with the thing you know make

reason of it move through it you just kind of like repress it stuff it down so i'd be like that from a buddhist perspective would be like an imprint in your body this event that happened was so hard but you didn't feel maybe like safe enough. You didn't, it wasn't the right environment. So you're just like, okay, I'm just going to like deal with this.

Didn't work it out. Yeah. So, you know, I felt like I needed to cry. I felt like I needed to scream. And you're just like, you'd like put it in that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and so, and so the suggestion is, and a lot of this stuff is kind of hard to describe. But I'm like – I think this is about the best I can do at describing it. But they stay almost like a physiological, mental, emotional imprint and you carry it.

It starts to affect the way that you make decisions, affect the way that you – just like your behavior, your relationships, why you do the things that you do. Could be – how many people have done a thing where they were really shamed when they were 10 years old because they got beat up by the bully? Now suddenly they're like a black belt in jujitsu and they drive like a murdered out car or whatever. They're just like, never again. And they're still angry. You know, it was like, bro, you were 10. I let it go. So the suggestion from that philosophy, and I think there is a lot of legitimacy to this, but it's just hard, you know how like science is like science has to catch up in a way um but the suggestion is if you be with those things instead of do the avoidant pattern to kind of like get out of that sensation then it it's

essentially like that anxiety or you know the uncomfortable sensation is literally that imprint of that experience trying to surface in a way and like get out. And if you just sit with it for long enough, the suggestion from those traditions would be that it will actually be able to move through and out of the body and you can feel more at peace essentially. What's the darkness retreat like? You go into like a dark room or something? Yes. And for how long? go into like a dark room or something or for how long so i was i i um the one that i did was five nights and four days so it was 108 hours which is kind of like a funny number

um and essentially it's like just a bed a little yoga mat a little like meditation cushion thing a bathtub which is very nice and then like a very small little like cubicle of a bathroom and you go in and you have like you blow out a little candle at night and then you're like like we're in you know like okay like what have i done like this doesn't you know i don't think i really i'm not excited about being here anymore was was my experience. And then you just sit with yourself. Do they bring you food? Yeah, once a day. Every day around like 5 o'clock.

It's called Sky Cave Retreats in Oregon, Ashland. Sky Cave Retreats. So what happens? Do they knock on your door and say, you close your eyes, whatever, you put a blindfold on, they come and put your food in? How's that work? Yeah, so it's like a box of sorts and so he can open up one side of the box drop the food for the whole day in there and then yeah and then close

the box and then you can open it up and you won't get light that comes in wow yeah it's weird it's a weird thing man but it's it's one of those things that for me it felt like kind of like a rite of passage in a way, which is something that's very common in a lot of cultures. You know, you could go to, there's a, there's a tribe in the,

could you, could you look up actually rite of passage, uh, hand in glove with fire ant. I've seen that. Yeah. So that's, so that's,

I don't know what, I don't know what tribe it's from exactly, but there's, you know, endless, there's like this, like the sun dance, you know, so that's, I don't know what, I don't know what tribe it's from exactly, but there's, you know, endless, there's like this, like the sun dance, you know,

where you like, you, you starve yourself and you're hung by a tree. And it's like, I think it's like a, like three days or so, I believe is how long that is. You know,

there's a lot of different examples of rites of passage that young, typically men go through. And I think that a lot of the reason that i did a lot of the kind of like effed up things that i did as a kid just like a lot like vandalization and you know just stupid stuff getting way drunker than was necessary um yeah here it is these are the guys yeah i can't pronounce the name but what he's got his hands in there is it's a glove full of venomous fire ants yeah and so it's a rite of passage so this is a lot like um i think the sensation of like oh like i can't take it i want to get out of here is a lot like a person that's going through like deep anxiety or deep depression

you know and it's just like okay just be with it. Be with it. Keep being with it. And that's what they're – again, I'm not an Amazonian fire ant, rite of passage guy, but I think that's kind of a part of it. And then you get through – typically with rites of passages, what it is is pushing a person to the point of feeling like they're going to die. And typically there's like you know actually a chance that it might happen so it's real um five hours and then on the other side of that is it's kind of like v for vendetta you know when he he's with uh whatever the girl's name is she

like you know buzzes her hair and he's like doing all the different kind of mind stuff to her. And she's finally gets to a point where she's like, kill me. I don't care. Just fucking kill. Like I'm not attached to this body anymore. Like I'm good. And he's like, okay, you may leave. You know? And so that's, I think what these rites of passages are largely is like, it's like, it's a practice of dying before you die so that you can actually it

sounds like overly poetic and kind of wanky but like actually live compared to be a being a you know slave to the body or slave to the mind i don't know if this is like getting a little you know too heady but i think that's interesting yeah that's kind of the way it is it says the according to a google search the uh the kogi tribe has selected male children that are taken from birth, put into a dark cave for the first nine years. Yeah, it's nine years. Oh, can you pull up some pictures of them? I do wonder if they're put into a cave for nine years, what are their complexions like? Is the Kogi tribe in, is it somewhere in Africa, somewhere in, where is it?

No, it's Colombia. Colombia. I do wonder like what they look like. That's Columbia. Columbia. Yeah. I do wonder like what they look like. That's interesting. They look like. Yeah. The Buddhist tradition I think is 48 days, which that's the 49, 48 or 49 days,

but 49 days is the amount of time that the, the Buddha was said to sit under the, the tree to achieve enlightenment, whatever the tree was. Well, what did you learn from your, about yourself after that? Five,

five nights, five nights? And it was really recent. So do you think maybe two years from now you'll have learned a lot more about it? Probably. I'm in some shit right now. There's a lot of— Because we had to reschedule because you're like, I don't know, man.

I don't know if it was a good idea for me to come to my way to this. Dude, I was crying afterwards. It wouldn't have been good, honestly. I would have held you yeah i appreciate that i appreciate that um yeah i was i was weepy it was like it really tapped into some parts of myself that i had like one of the images that i had for example in there was uh envisioning the my parents holding and hopefully this relates to other people in some capacity or I wouldn't be sharing it. But my parents holding my baby version of myself, which I don't have any like actual memories of.

But I was just reproducing the memory, which you could argue that's whatever memory is anyway. And so I was in that position and I was just experiencing how much my parents loved me and like i'm just like wow i'm like this like that i'm the most precious thing in their lives like and started to feel that sensation of of feeling just like like just that depth of love and acceptance and you know like wow like i'm like it's a fucking miracle miracle, man. And like that feeling of connection where there's a lot of people, I think they could even have had a childhood that felt like, oh, my parents were great. Typically there's a lot of defense around parents.

At least that's what I've experienced myself. Like, no, my mom, she loved me. You know, but like your parents can only love you to the degree that they're able to love. And you as a- And what they were taught, yeah. Yeah, and you as a baby, you were just a sensitive sponge.

And we can talk ourselves in circles of who we are and who we think we are, and we have these agreements of who we are, and I'll agree that you are who you are, and you agree that I am who I am. Ram Dass calls it like a conspiracy. He says, I'll agree you are who you think you are if you agree i am who i think i am and we'll just run that game for a while yeah you know but as a baby you just pick

up on on what's happening at a at a at a physical level you know like an enteric which is a fancy word for saying organ like visceral level enteric enteric yeah the enteric nervous system that's like the nervous system the guts yeah yeah so so as as a child you're picking up tone which there's a lot of information imprinted in the tone of someone's voice you know so i can tell you like uh yeah i'm fine bro like i'm totally good we're good or could, you could hear my voice cracking as I'm saying that, or maybe like more high pitch, or maybe I'm looking away from you or like all of the different things. It's like,

okay, cool. Your word said, I'm fine, bro. But that doesn't mean anything. I'm fine, bro.

I'm isn't, I'm fine, bro. Isn't I'm fine, bro. I'm fine, bro. It was like,

what is your tone saying? What's the pacing of your language saying? What's the dilation of your pupil saying what are all of these physical like affects like that's the real shit that's what a baby listens to that's what we listen to too we just sometimes can trick ourselves with with words or text and stories texts are tough dude okay never did that happen before right it Just one word. Fine. Fine.

I'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah, texts are messed up. Yeah. Yeah, emojis are valuable. Emojis are very... Hieroglyphics. Yeah, I think emojis are like the closest thing to facial affect. Because you can say some words and then you throw an emoji at it.

Emoji at that? You're like, oh yeah, I get it. Like, cool. Like, we're good. We're good. A little eggplant. Some cultures will use like pictures kind of emojis, right? I don't know.

Yeah. In what sense? Just rather than using words sometimes to be descriptive of stuff. Yeah, there's like the – Yeah, there's the – I think they're called the – I'm going to try to say as, like, minimally pretentious as possible, like the Tarahara people or like the Taramara people or whatever, which are in, where's the Taramara?

I think they're in like, like, like the Amazon, I believe. And like Northern Amazon, Brazil. There's a book about it called don't sleep there. There are snakes.

There might be snakes. Can you look that up? What's the fellow's name? Taramara tribal. It's considered the happiest tribe or the happiest people on the planet. They have a totally different language structure. Don't they do that run? Born to run pops up. Oh, sorry.

No, I'm thinking of someone. They're in northern Mexico. Shoot, it's another tribe. Can you look up the book Don't Sleep There Are Snakes or There Might Be Snakes? Hopefully you find it because it's really interesting. Hopefully we'll stumble into this, or there might be snakes. Hopefully you find it because it's really interesting. But there's a tribe. Hopefully we'll stumble into this. But there's a tribe in northern Amazon.

They're considered the space in the author's name. Amazonian jungle. Let's see here. Who's the author? Yeah, look up author. But he. Daniel Everett. Yes, Daniel Everett.

What's the book actually called? Don't sleep, there are snakes. Highly recommend this one. So good. So he went out uh as a missionary and he went to with the intention to like convert all of these sinning amazonian people you know these lost amazonians uh and then he ended up spending more time with these people and they ended up essentially like converting him to their lifestyle and they they actually

i believe they measured how much time they spend smiling throughout the day as like an indication of you know a quantitative measurement of happiness yeah and apparently i believe they like smile more than anybody on the planet at least like people have been like tracking their smiling and what's interesting there's a lot of things i won't remember all of them maybe if you could pull up some of the points, it could be kind of cool, but they have a completely different language structure where they don't have specific numbers, for example. I think they just have like one and many.

I don't believe this is also true with the Vietnamese language. I think it might be them as well, but they don't have the subjunctive form of language, meaning like I should have. If I was there, I would have. It's just like, what do you do? Oh, yeah. Those can be coercive words.

Oh, yeah, man. It just puts you in a bind. Would, should. I would have. And you're just like, you are stuck. There's nowhere to go from that. I should be doing this. Yeah.

There's nowhere to go. It literally takes your potential of being like full breath and feeling confident, feeling good to just – it feels like it's like a contraction in a way or like a weight. You put a weight on yourself. You like to put a weight on yourself. At least that's my experience with it. So that – I think that – You shouldn't and stuff like that too.

I know I shouldn't watch porn. I know I shouldn't do this or do that. It could just go away. Right. Like we would – I think we would be a better people and better individuals if – just take just take it out like you don't you don't really need it you either did it or you didn't you know who is that hansella or whatever was the star wars guy there is there is you do or do not yeah there is no what is it there's no try you do or do not do um he was he was uh after longevity he was like 100 like 947 years old or something like that.

I mean, he was green and short. He probably shrunk down over time. Probably lots of bulletproof coffee, though. Almost 1,000 years old. That's not bad. You think he did TRT? Oh, yeah, of course. He's a little slug. Loaded the gills and shit.

Backflips the guy. Hold on. There's other points about these people. That wasn't done. That wasn't done. Let's go. No, so um oh crap i think i forgot no no no let's let's let's get back to it so all right so that happens so they're happiest people and another interesting thing is they don't trust anything that's outside of oh god i so love that

you guys can pull these pictures up so they don't trust what is the name of the tribe called let me figure that out yeah so they don't believe in anything that's not in their immediate lifetime. So if you talk to me about Jesus, you talk to me about Martin Luther King, you talk to me about whatever, like, unless it's like Timmy from down the corner, like, I don't know what you're talking about. How's it going now? We like to look good in the gym and out of the gym. That's why you always see Mark and I and Andrew is stepping up on the short, short game wearing shorts from the Ori and clothes from the Ori. And honestly, the number one compliment that I've seen that I've gotten and even Mark's

gotten is damn, your butt looks good. And that's because, well, the clothes we wear make our booties look delicious. Andrew, how can they get it? Yeah, you guys both have pretty big wagons. You guys can head over to viore.com slash powerproject. That's V-U-O-R-I dot com slash powerproject to receive 20% off the most amazing apparel that looks so good inside and outside of the gym. It's going to make your ass look fat.

And your ass will look fat. Links to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes. God damn it. That's a good one. That's a good one. Make your ass look fat. Some of what you're describing sounds amazing. And to me, I think a lot of other people can adopt similar principles.

And maybe people think in modern times that you can't. But it's a choice to listen to the news. It's a choice to hear about what Korea is doing and how much money we send to whatever country for war and all these different things. And it's real easy to get amped up one way or the other about these things. It's really easy to develop uh amped up one way or the other about these things yeah it's really easy to develop an opinion we had someone on the show recently that said you don't really have to have an opinion on these things but also you don't even have to ever really hear them yeah and if some crazy shit is actually really going down you will know about it the same way you would know if a loved one died

someone's probably going to call you and say this happened it actually matters Or you're going to see some shit out on your own street. It'll show up in your texts. It will show up. Or someone will knock on your door. It'll show up in your life. It won't make any difference if you hear about it on the news or not. Remember when you'd roll up to your friend's house and just knock on the door? Like, hey, bro.

Can't come out, man. I'm in trouble. There's a few people you can still do that with, but yeah. I got to do my homework. That was a good time. That was a good life do you know if these people like did they follow tradition like because you mentioned that they don't believe anything that's within their lifetime but i think they'd be like an animist so they'd like they worship nature essentially that's what humans that's what humans as a whole have done forever we're mostly animistic we We worship seasons. We worship planets.

We worship the sun. We worship stuff that's actually – we worship nature. Whereas then there was a transition. Again, this is kind of out of my depth as well. But I think largely a transition around like Roman times. Like ancient Greeks were – they worshipped these gods that represented stuff in nature for the large part. There was kind of a transition into like the church you know and your power is kind of out there you know and you're a sinner and it's about you know it's not so much instead of it being the sun or you know the

elements or whatever it is it's a person personified, it's just a person. And the actual origins of it representing stuff within our nature, that all gets kind of scrubbed away and it's actually like this boss figure of sorts. Which, again, I'm way out of my scope of awareness in that. But it is interesting that I think for most of history, we've always worshipped something. And for most of the time in human history it was worshipping some version of nature and then there's been a transition of you know not getting to like modern religions

or even worshipping like a greek god and stuff sometimes they were associated with weather or nature typically yeah yeah yeah or emotions so it's it's it's just another way of out of uh like understanding the self and understanding reality i think it's like really beautiful and i think modern religion is really powerful as well um but it can be a little coercive and be a little like shameful and be uh you know, that's when it starts to get a little funny. Do you think sometimes that's a positive thing? Yeah, probably. Yeah, I mean to have shame about doing something that hurts somebody else is positive. I think like net positive.

I believe that if you allow a person to exist without coercing them into doing things, it feels better for them to quote unquote do the right thing. Rather than they feel that they must do it because it is a rule that they have to follow. Correct. And so if I am imposing my demands upon you, I think there's a natural, you know, I got this from Gabor Mate. He does a thing. Mark, can you give me your hand? So just put your hand up. So just put it out like this. Yeah.

So if I go like this, you, what do you do? You push up. You push up. You're pushing down on my hand. I push up. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

And so I think that that's the natural nature of the human is if you allow me to be with my hand, just like, ah, cool. Like here we are with hands, you know, but the moment that I push into you, your natural reaction, I'm pushing like, cool. Like I want you to go here. Your natural reaction is like, cool. I'm going to push just directly in the opposite direction. I'm going to push right back into you.

And so, um, yeah yeah i don't know i mean what do you guys think about like do we need rules to be morally good well i think in some cases like i think that's originally how we got here in the first place in terms of religion i think that i think people used to haphazardly run amok and fuck each other's significant others and things like that before there was marriage. Somebody would clearly be with somebody else, and I think that there was shit like that going on. And I think somebody somewhere along the line said, we need to stop this. We need to be together more and make some sort of unity and you can't be involved. Because to me me it's a

very it's clearly like made up maybe some other people believe it comes down from an actual religion or comes down from an actual god uh but in my opinion it was made up by humans where we decided that this was going to be something that we were going to do because it wasn't working previously so we had to make rules around it and we had to make shame. Like, no, you did that with so-and-so and that's his girl. You know what I mean? And that's not right. And that's not correct. Making rules about ages and stuff like that. Ages that people can have sex with each other at certain ages, right? Like there's certain things that are appropriate and there's certain things that are inappropriate. And I think that we probably,

somewhere along the lines, people were fucking shit up. People were messing things up. And so I think you had to make some rules. And then once you have rules and or laws and who knows how they treated people, if they committed a crime on some of these rules or laws that they made in various religions or even just rules or laws they made in various towns. But I think they decided that they needed to have specific rules. And then I think you might come along – you might come across other people as you're traveling and they have completely different rules yeah completely different laws but you're trying to pass through their territory and they're saying you're not fucking doing this bullshit in our area yeah and it's not even necessarily their area because the world is not built with borders but we made these are all man-made things yeah and i think there's shame and restriction and law. It's going to kind of be there anyway.

But I think that it can work. I think that there's concern over not having religion. I think there's concern over not having marriage. I think there's concern over not having school the way that we have school now. It's pretty clear that none of those things work a hundred percent but i think there's a lot of people that believe that they work well enough to continue onward with them otherwise there would be movement for more change i believe well things change is changed slowly and they change a lot slower the bigger the population gets and that's the like i think

that's where it's for at an individual level i think the most important thing people can do is is make the best decisions for their family and not just be like minions of the higher-ups you know and like whatever okay whatever the commercials say yeah whatever the fda says whatever the government says whatever cnn says whatever whatever Fox says, it's like, get out of that. That's not the spot. I grew up Christian, and there are many aspects of Christianity that I truly appreciate. It's kind of interesting because Christianity gets shit on a lot. No one really bats an eye.

There's one interesting thing. It's because it's the most popular. I understand. It's like LA. LA gets shit on quite a bit. It's like, well, it's kind of like has one of the strongest magnets of a geographical location or planet. Yeah. So it's going to get shit on.

And I do understand it because there are things that I truly disagree with within and I can't like, I haven't gone to church in quite some time in many years. I'm also, I think that a lot of other religions have a lot of, there's a lot of cohesiveness and things that are parallel through other religions that I think when you say you're Christian and then you hear somebody else is something else, sometimes there's a disdain for that or there's a belief that that is wrong when it's not necessarily that way. But there's a big power in religion. And I'm not saying that people need to have religion, but I think about the ability for someone to have a community. And think about this. My grandma was a hundred years old. She came here to take care of us in 1990.

But that woman has never missed a day of church since she was a little girl. She always had a community to go to. Do you have a community that you've been able to go to for a decade or more that you've consistently gone to and had people that were all together? Have you ever had anything like that? The gym. Okay. So there's the gym. Cool. Cool. So yeah, that that's good. Or jujitsu. Or jujitsu. Becomes a family. But you think about certain individuals that have that, that they have a community that they go to every single week on the same day. They do whatever they do. They talk, they eat, they do whatever,

and then they do it the next week. I think that's one of the big, powerful things that can be of benefit of whatever you choose to practice. I think it could be huge. And in church, instead of talking about the weight and the reps and the sets and body fat percentages and muscle mass and the diet, which can all be viewed as being healthy things, talking about more like morality. And, you know, grandma might say, oh, I'm having trouble with my grandson and doesn't look like he's getting into the right stuff. I'll pray for Encima.

And somebody, yeah. Yeah, and my dad will say, I'll pray for your son. I understand. Yeah, right. That's an extremely. And you get to talk about it and talk through it and what are some ideas that might help us past it and through it. And get out of the, like, I've heard from somebody else as well. We've transitioned from, you know, communism into eventually we arrived here at individualism.

So communism is like the other side of individualism. So there's benefits and detriments to both. But presently, probably more than ever in history, we're the most individualistic. At least here. In Western culture with cell phones and Facebooks and TikToks. Yeah. Like you are staring at yourself more than has ever happened in history it's crazy me and my girl were just talking about like there are mirrors but the phone in and of itself like

look at yourself a lot a lot let me uh you know when you go to your instagram or something you're like let me check in on myself oh yeah and you're sitting there hanging out i'm my biggest fan and you just And you just, and you just made a post 10 minutes ago. You're like, I got to check in on that post that I made. Yeah. But then also you go to like your whole profile.

I'm like, if I'm someone brand new, what does it look like when they see my page? Yeah. What's the user experience for me? Yeah. It's strange. And that's incredibly lonely.

And that's the irony. You would, I would think it would just make sense imagine if you did it physically imagine if you imagine if you uh did instagram physically you know you said we're all meeting up at this coffee shop and people kept coming in and they're like i don't like your shirt and they leave and the next guy's like i think that shirt's actually really cool the next guy leaves the one I think that shirt's actually really cool. And the next guy leaves. One guy pushes a button on your shoulder and gives you a little heart. You're like, your hat is ugly. Next person just looks at you and walks away, no comment.

We do do that in real life. Somebody runs in and says, I can't believe you gave that shirt a platform. That's awesome. And it's just amazing. Yes! That's good. Sorry to be the cut show i knew i was gonna lose that no that's good well it's just like uh an amplification right because in real life uh when we do that like in the course of a week it's probably fairly common to uh maybe run into i don don't know, 30, 40 different people. Yeah. Like that's probably kind of normal if you're someone that is going out

and you're out and about, 30 people maybe you interact with. Or like the Dunbar number. I'm sure you guys heard that before. 150 or something. 150. Yeah. That would be like, I believe that relates to the amount of primates that would be able to actually keep track of grooming each other. I guess they get that and once it goes beyond that so it's like we just we

can't keep track of it anymore you know but but that now you look at uh you know your social media stuff it's like cool i follow 5 000 people and i'm followed by however many thousand people you know it's just very it's very strange very strange. But we still have those reflexes to care about people's perspective of us. And it's still like a deep, maybe not meaningful, but it feels meaningful threat for someone to not accept us. So you're putting yourself, and then you have this,

the comparison game is freaking dangerous, man. And you get into a place where people are starting to develop, there's like names for, I don't know what it's called, something along the lines of like TikTok filter syndrome. the comparison game is freaking dangerous, man. And you get into a place where people are starting to develop, you know, there's like names for, I don't know what it's called. Something along the lines of like TikTok filter syndrome. It's not that, but it's something, something like that. There's some, maybe you could look up, you know, you could look up if you want. But we start to see ourselves in this image, but I see myself for 75% of the times that I actually see myself,

I have this like glittery, beautiful, perfect summer Hawaii filter over my face. And now I get accustomed to that. Like, I love that. That's what I like. And then you come out of that and you're like, Oh God, what is this? And now you're like, Oh shit. I've kind of almost created like a, like a, like a disassociation for myself in a way. There's an interesting, there's a thing around, have you ever heard the term interoception? Interoception is like the way that you feel internally. So proprioception is like musculoskeletal movement, like your ability to dance and stuff like that. Then interoception is your ability to feel like, I feel hungry. I feel my heartbeat. to feel like i feel hungry i feel my heartbeat i you know

i just i feel like all the internal sensations and there's been some research i was reading about last night actually of of people that have lower interoception what i'm interested in actually cool exercises that i'd recommend people try just because it's it'll calm you down it's real nice is you can set a timer for a minute and then you can – it would be not necessary to do it right now. But you set a timer for a minute and then you listen into your heart rate. So you feel your heart rate and then press the timer and then count how many heartbeats transpired in that minute. And then you do it again and you actually take your pulse and then you measure like how close was i with that and that would be one potential exercise or

or or if you're doing like a research day with measuring their a person's interoception that'd be one way to do it but it will calm you down in a really beautiful way but what the suggestion in this study that i was reading about last night was that people that measured lower interoceptive scores would have a higher likelihood of having like one eating disorders and also just general like dissatisfaction with their body whereas people that have a a very good like open, interoceptive relationship with themselves, things work better and they like themselves more. They like accept themselves.

Yeah. And they don't have issues with food and things of the sort because they actually have a, they actually have a more consilient relationship like with themselves, which is an odd thing. It gets into very like woo woo you know venice california nebulous like not like whatever bro like i have a buddy he says that i like is like when you're talking about something it's like does it grow corn it's like great we can we can you know space

out about all this stuff like does this actually move the ball forward are we just are we just like intellectually wiping ourselves to go? And so that's one of those things where it's like, oh no, no, like you having like a meditation practice or going swimming and just paying attention to the quality of your movement or lifting weights

and paying attention to the quality, like actually paying attention. That was more Arnold Schwarzenegger stuff. It's not you have headphones in and you're checking your messages and you're just trying to get a quick pump in. You're literally putting your mind in the muscle.

That mind-muscle connection, it's supportive not just for growing bigger muscles, recruiting more motor units, but it's also supportive for literally having a deeper, more comfortable relationship with yourself. You say stuff like that, it's like eye you know eyes rolling back like oh my god but like it's it's science like it's real shit i don't buy any of this i think i think you're way better off

being super worried about the end of the world and world war three well that's getting really mad about it that's the mofo about news like – so think what people are doing now, which is why it's such like an absurd – it's kind of like privilege in a way to have a conversation that people listen to. Because literally what people are doing in a way is they're like leasing out their consciousness to this conversation right now. So you're saying, cool, I'm going to have my day, do my things, whatever. I'm just going to kind of like, I trust you guys, the four of you, to borrow my mind. Take my brain and play with it like it's silly play for a little while.

Right, exactly. And Seema's making dinosaurs and shit. You're going too deep right now. You're about to make us lose our minds. You better stop right now. I'm joking. But so within that, it's like, okay, interesting. so we're kind of like leasing this thing out for a second what the hell is the news infusing into your least out mind fear threat why do they do that

like this is all this is i'm not like discovering this is very obvious and everyone said it has anyone here ever seen or heard anything on the news that they thought was really valuable and then you immediately immediately did something sprung into action and did something that uh was a value that helped with anything oh lord i don't know i don't know a value how about the 2020 black square yeah well is that like mecca what is that you don't remember that's good well anyways i was gonna say a value not so much but in that moment black square was uh blm right yeah it was that stuff yeah i got jacked up by blm dog that was tough for me what happened i just was coerced oh you do a box where too oh oh no i didn't do black swear yeah but i did white fragility oh i was like i was which is fine i think it's good so that's the thing giving an auto uh correction in one way and being sympathetic isn't i pendulum back and forth at first at first

i was like this feels coercive you're demanding that are very coercive you're demanding that i have an opinion about something that i i haven't sat with for more than 25 seconds. Yes. And if I don't have an opinion right now, I'm a racist or whatever. Like this is so blatantly coercive. I'm like that was my immediate response. And then it transitioned to like – well, the tribe was essentially – they were marching and they had their flaming you know whatever torches you know and they're like coming to your door and i'm like oh shit you guys are right if everyone is saying the thing you must be right so i flipped to the

other side i was like white fragility like oh my god like i had no idea i'm a racist i'm so sorry and then i was like after that i was like oh no no no no like that's not it but i just got freaking ping-ponged i have so much respect for people that are more mature. Yeah. And they're like, no. Yeah. Like, I'll read some books. I'll reflect on this.

I'll have conversations. But you're not going to boss me into saying something. Yeah. Like, what is that? It's just an example of how things can go too far. Like, the only thing people could think about from that situation maybe should try to think about is um like i since i've been able to get to know mark and since i've been able to get to know andrew i've been able to

have an understanding of how they go through the world and the things that they personally deal with going through the world and some of the benefits of some of the things in 2020 is it opened the eyes of people to how certain other people experience the world. That doesn't mean you need to bully people into thinking certain things because now they understand your perspective. And just because someone doesn't like, you don't deal with certain things that I may be dealing with on a daily, like often.

Right. But just because you maybe don't deal with those things or it's not part of your experience, it doesn't mean that because you're not maybe overly sympathetic to that, that you are racist, which is what people were labeling that. Using the term racist was something that just started to become so fucking downplayed in 2020. It's like, it's just like, no, that person's not a racist. Stop using that term like that. I wonder y'all's perspective on this i like

that y'all's y'all's i feel like personally that the blm movement and the way that it it transpired actually created more racism and i feel very strongly about that actually but i'm trying to be sensitive and tell us what you mean i i noticed after that i would just notice if you were black before that i didn't it was like i didn't see color i didn't not see color i was like oh cool fuck whatever whereas like after that i was like oh fuck it was black like how do i you know what do i do with my hands you know like i don't want to offend i don't want to like you know i don't want to say the wrong thing you know whereas before it was it wasn't i just me personally i don't i mean we mean we're all judgmental to some degree and we're picking up the color of a person's car and the types of clothes that they're wearing and the type of car that they choose and their ethnicity. Are you Guatemalan?

Are you Caucasian? Are you Irish? Like we're gathering information from each other. It's not like we're blind to color. gathering information from each other it's not like we're blind to color um but i think the sensitivity of it afterwards i actually felt um more i guess just sensitive to race yeah okay so just being more aware of race not because you said created more racists but do you do you instead mean it created people that are more aware of race and the people around them? Yeah, like more racial differentiation. More racial differentiation. Do you think that that is a bad or a net good?

I don't know. That's what I'm asking. I really don't know. Like the feeling walking into a room with like a multi-raced situation, you know, a bunch of different races. I just feel like I personally felt more comfortable in that room kind of before that. And after that, I just felt more like, I don't know, like I'm more, I mean, I guess more curious, which is fine.

I just noticed a lot more. Noticed a lot more, but were you uncomfortable with noticing more or were you just noticing more sometimes uncomfortable sometimes uncomfortable yeah not wanting like like like wow all this stuff is happening like how does this make you feel well while it's happening i can under this dog 2020 had so many people messaging like oh of course if you need any help yeah like how was that for you not like let's not even get into that but i what there's an aspect of this that i think there is a net good in not necessarily uh like you right you're more aware of some of the different people around you right but that awareness isn't a bad

thing you're just more aware of oh oh, OK, that Mexican guy. Maybe there's certain things that I'm thinking about with his experience or that different guy, that different girl. There's maybe certain things that, oh, I'm kind of aware of some things that are different about them because we all kind of deal with different things. And it's unfortunate, but we do deal with some different things just because of the way we look. But we do deal with some different things just because of the way we look. And when you're going through with your blinders on, like me going through as a black guy with my blinders on, I'm mainly thinking about that. And there are certain things that I may not understand about Mark and the way he sees things as a white guy. It's unfortunate that there are those differences in experiences just because the way you look, but those differences exist. And the, I think a net good of some of those things, even though God, the labeling of racist is so just so disgusting. But in that good is that there's just a little bit of perspective shifts that are,

that have gone on in the moment. It wasn't great because some people like you got that white fragility thing like, Oh my God, my black friend, what you're going through is okay. So like, let's tone it back a little bit but there is there's more we're now trying to look at things

through different people's lenses that's all i think that's a net good we're becoming more understanding of each other the approach of it i would say would amplify if there was like maybe subconscious fence sitters in the in the racism you know like subconscious racism oh god probably a lot of those fence sitters might be like oh like more compassion more empathy okay like any aspect of myself that was acting in some type of like kind of pseudo-racist ish way like maybe like less of that uh but people that were leaning more from a place of like maybe like less of that. But people that were leaning more from a place of like,

they actually identify as like, I'm, I'm racist. Like, that's my thing. It's going to be as activists would attack people like that would attack people for not doing the black square. So you didn't put a black square. You're,

you're, are you, are you a, are you an ally? Yeah. Fuck you. Honestly, to,

to try to coerce someone into that. Fuck you. It's not cool. So that will create that action it all depends on the individual that's being projected on but that action i think would create more racism i too because it's the same thing you add this input in here it's not an input of like open like i just want to be seen and heard you know or whatever it's just more like or like how can i be empathetic to your experience white person that hates me like not maybe maybe not maybe really hard to do

but that's like some jesus shit you know where it's you're coming to a place of like okay if you want an action yeah you know perhaps the way to lead into that perhaps again so don't know what i'm talking about right now and hopefully i'm not offending anyone but i i think that a way to lead into that is like lead by example with that even though it's so hard to do compared to okay i'm going to violently you know burn down your store or something because i don't feel heard maybe there is a situation where that actually is a solution and violence is a solution i just don't know enough about this philosophically, but I feel like, um, uh, someone that is in that position of like actually, you know, card holding racist. Uh, I would think that the black man, such as there's, you know, there's an example, there's a fellow, he's done Rogan's podcast a bunch of

times. Rogan's talked about him a lot. Yeah. We had him on our show. I think you're talking about the same guy. Yeah. His, his approach is his approach is this they're like oh cool you're a part of the kkk i would love to learn about you don't look at daryl davis daryl davis daryl davis so he's so he is this i think i've never met him but like like it's just incredible yeah yeah so it's like oh you hate me okay i there's one response that i can have which would be like like the smaller immature response. And I'm like, I'm going to fight you. I'll kill you. There's the other probably I think more mature response of like,

oh, like tell me more. Like where does this come from? Were you abused as a child? Like what do you think about me? What did your parents teach you about me? What did you learn about me? And then you get to have that open dialogue and you haven't pressed the person to put them into a defense position.

Suddenly I think that opens up the potential for conversation. Whereas when it's just, you know, um, very polarizing headlines, you know, that are going to get clicks and you're, you're,

you're projecting out the most violent, you know, the hardest images. Um, and then you start to communicate that way and you're projecting out the most violent, hardest images and then you start to communicate that way because you're kind of being trained by media in a way, I think it closes down conversation. It closes down potential for, I think, progress. It doesn't close it down, but it stifles it.

It's hard to use the word better and I don't have any idea what it's like being anything other than white but it appears that things here in the united states have gotten better over the years so i would say it has a net positive uh even though when things were going on it seemed like there was a lot of chaos going on there was like riots and there was a lot of a lot of shit going down and a lot like people got hurt and killed and all kinds of stuff happened. And I think a lot of people were like scared, especially from watching the news and like learning more about it through some of that. But I think for our youth, it was probably important.

I don't think our youth like followed it necessarily. Like I don't think they, older people watch TV, you know, like kids watch TV, but like they watch what they like. Right. And they now kind of watch YouTube. They don't really watch as much TV.

So I think for my children, if anything, I think it was educational. I think it was helpful. Like this, I mean, when I was a kid, Rodney King situation happened.

And I remember that being educational for me. And I remember like, wow, like this is great. Like what happened with like, regardless of what actually happened with the guy, regardless of any of that, you're just like this, this fucking sucks. This is a shitty situation. Yeah. With my children, and even my nephews and niece, I think they just heard so much about racism and learned so much about it that whatever racism exactly means, they don't want any part of it. They don't want to participate in being racist. Right.

And they're sensitive to it. And so they're not going to use certain words. And they're sensitive to it. And so they're not going to use certain words. They're not going, they're going to, maybe people will kind of in a way like threat, but necessity to learn about something that I just wouldn't have been paying attention to before. And so I got white fragility on Audible and listened to all of it. I watched the 13 documentary or whatever that's called. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that shit was oof.

Yeah, I mean, I just like went hard on all of the different information that i could get around you know slavery and just like the origin of this country and like all of these different things and so yeah i mean for for me personally i think it was a net positive other than the general um i did have a bit of i would say kind of i think a little bit of resentment away of like the sensation of being coerced. That was the part that I did. I still hold a little bit of resentment if I,

if I actually like am honest about it. I'm kind of like, Oh, like, Oh, I don't like that. Like, don't,

let's not do that again. And, but I feel like I've, I'm, I feel like a better person because of it. And would you say that's your own fault? Yeah. Oh, for sure.

Yeah, if I'm holding on to anger or resentment or anything, that is just me. And I'm just hurting myself. You chose to watch the news. You chose to let yourself get overly involved. Feeding on to it. And then I'm disappointed in myself because I lost respect for myself. You know, it's easy to have happen to you. Yeah.

One thing I want to mention because I just find it so interesting is like, lost respect for myself yeah you know and it's easy to have happen to you yeah yeah one thing i want to mention because i i just find it so interesting is like i think it's really interesting to learn about different people's experiences going through the world because then like it can give you a better understanding of why do they view this this way why are they why are they getting all kind of uh you know a little bit scared when they had to deal with law enforcement but one thing is when we had um brad or not rob kearney on the show world's strongest gay and i i just remember the the comment section was just so fucking asinine because he was talking about some of his experiences as a gay strong man and he had his he had his husband here and it was a i

thought it was a cool conversation because we were like it was just insight into like his life as a gay strong man and he had his he had his husband here and it was a i thought it was a cool conversation because we were like it was just insight into like his life as a gay strong man and it's it's very different from anything that we have to deal with or anything anything that we do but we thought it was cool but some of the comments of like people were just like oh another fucking thing with us like talking about gay people yeah why is this on my feed today i didn't ask quit throwing it in my face i don't care that you're gay i just want to know how strong you are like yeah and why couldn't they just talk about his strongman prowess and stuff it's like it needs to be we need to talk about it because we're trying

to give you a vantage point into what his life is like his His relationship is about the same thing any other relationship is about. It's about love. Him and his husband, they're in love. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, I had a, do you guys know who Sean T is?

Yeah. I did Insanity when I was like 19 or 20 in my garage. So I know Sean T. I just, we just, he came out to Austin and we'd record a podcast. We did like both, both. He does a podcast as well. And yeah, we spent the conversation just talking about all the raunchy stuff.

And we just went in. That's awesome. Because I want to know. Like I want to, if there's something I don't understand and you're fucking Sean T, someone that I like, I love and respect and respect you know like actually appreciate you as a friend shaunti's so great you guys show one of his like booty dancing videos dude he is legit oh my god you know but but like the love that he has for his husband and he's you know he's he's got a family he's got two kids i think he has two kids um and he's just like he's like living his he's being himself

yeah like to be to be i mean think what you will about having two fathers and two kids and all that stuff it gets into like really sticky strange territory and really like it's very disruptive people will have very strong opinions like it shocks the the the nervous system of someone that grows up in a culture which is you know pretty much all of us where that's like whoa like i never heard of that yeah and we tend to uh fear what we don't understand and sometimes that can turn into like even like hating what we don't understand you know what's really interesting all right so you see this shanti when i when i was introduced to shanti i was like 1920 within the insanity videos and you can tell

that's the West Maui mountains Shanti he's leaned into like he's like I'm comfortable I'm comfortable being gay in front of camera now with Insanity like he was like Shanti I didn't even know Shanti was gay when there was Insanity but now like you see it like

it's all there and it's pretty cool that transformation gay dudes are legit they're legit oh my god they're good man i'm shaking their hips you know styling styling stuff hey man i'm like that's nice see this was this was the shanti i was used to you see wearing all black fucking yeah let's go oh yeah that's different vibe totally different vibe yeah i'm like this in my garage with my mom and like a catholic a catholic looking gymnasium yeah that's a different vibe oh yeah the amount of repression

um and he he got into like all sorts of deep stuff in the podcast with like – there was like sexual trauma and various different things. like weird word uh race but there's probably some level of dealing with that i'd imagine but also being something and having to project as though you're something that you're not and being like man like i don't want to be cast out of culture essentially and having to to walk that path of actually coming to a place of like bro you just need to accept me or fuck off like some people in in some ways i think who have uh like we all have our um parts of ourselves that we're unsure about or we're insecure about or might feel like ashamed about or whatever but because it's not super overt i think you can just kind of like rest under the surface for a very long time whereas with something like that it's like you got to come out of the closet and And the process of doing that is kind of like,

I think in a lot of ways, like one of those Amazonian rites of passages where it's like, okay, like you might kill me, but you just either accept me or, you know, there's no other option because I can't live a lie anymore. It's a big deal. When you saw yourself as a baby,

were you a cute baby or an ugly baby? And were you like a gigantic baby? There wasn't a lot. Biceps? Yeah, I mentioned thinking about him being huge, his parents trying to hold him. There wasn't a lot of detail of my babiness.

It was more about the parents. It was like looking into my parents. Did you have a different perception of maybe what was going on because you said you felt so loved after that did you maybe think because of the things that you saw your dad do or heard about that he maybe didn't love you in that way or you're i don't i don't know i'm actually i'm actually starting with a therapist this this week and i'm like very intentionally like i want to explore this stuff because for the longest time I've

been more of the mind that it's like like I said it's like oh it's like kind of interesting it's almost like cool in a way that I had this you know part of your story disruptive child parents get divorced parents fight kids see all kinds of stuff sometimes people have an alcoholic parent

or yeah it's part of your story yeah and then a part of it like we can go deeper into our perceived trauma and actually make it deeper trauma and just keep going down this endless path of digging up the dark shit that maybe wouldn't even – it's kind of like the term for it in medicine. It's called an iatrogenic disease, which is a disease that manifests itself as a product of medicine almost like uh working on an injured area or tight area too hard or too much yeah and you stir shit up the wrong way almost yeah yeah or you start taking a medication that you didn't need or you start taking now you're taking a bunch of you know you're getting a bunch of radiation for you know you're getting x-rays or mri like whatever the thing is and now suddenly you actually have a problem whereas that thing would have just sorted itself out. And so there's also the other end

of getting into like my trauma and therapy and all that stuff where it can, you can just keep on digging up into the oblivion. But I think the natural tendency for a child, if their parents are having problems, the safest thing a child could do would be to reflect that problem back on themselves and perceive themselves as being the problem. So I think that would naturally be what I would have done. Because you don't want – if your parents are unsafe, that's really unsafe.

If you're unsafe and your parents are safe that's not so bad so it's like cool like the the fortress that my fucked up self is in is okay you know compared to like oh like i'm totally good but oh my god my environment is dangerous so i i think the natural tendency and i'm getting this from like other people that you you know, psychologists and such that actually investigate this stuff. But intuitively, I think that makes sense that you would take on the issues of the parents because it's safer for you to take that on than to put that onto them because they're protecting you. Right? When you came out of some of this darkness thing, did you just, did people like collaborate and like get together and talk or yeah so i went with hannah eden who you know absolutely um and i went with another friend

called christy what's christy's last name christy i forget her last name she does a podcast almost 30 podcast um so we're in different separate rooms almost dirty or almost 30? 30. Okay. I like the almost dirty though. Clever. Yeah, so we all went up there at the same time. And then, yeah, it was really pleasant to get to have. It's interesting. Mostly females end up doing this, I think. I don't think there's so many dudes that do it. That's interesting.

Which it seems like, in my my mind it seems like hard like but you think like what a woman does well compared to a man is they emote well yeah compared to a man you know gender it's a broad generalization you know so it's like for a woman it's like more common to be willing to like stay home and take a bath and like cry it out whereas for a guy it's like bro fucking pussy bro what are you doing here buck up you know and and call your buddy for some wine and cheese and yeah exactly complain about your girlfriend yeah you don't do that you don't do that yeah but so for a for a woman i think it's like oh yeah of course like i've got i've got a lot of emotions and even more like you know each month it just comes back around it's just it and it comes out and so women in in a way i think men

could can learn a lot from women about a lot of things but emoting is a very important skill to have under under a person's belt. And in my experience and opinion, they race through their emotions. It seems like a lot faster and again, generalization. Yeah. Yeah. Men, men like, and I've, I felt that like after the darkness retreat, I did notice myself, like, I was like very weepy and stuff would like, if I'm watching a movie, you know, something happy happens. Mostly happy stuff is the thing that makes me cry more. But I now actually, when I feel myself emoting, I'm like excited about it. Like I feel like I'm winning.

Watch Coco. What's that? The movie. Is that about monkeys? Coco. No, no, no, no, no. What's Coco? The cartoon?

The cartoon movie. You want a good cry? Coco, no, no, no, no, no. What's coming up with the cartoon? The cartoon movie. You want a good cry? Oh, shit. All of you, watch Coco. Have you seen it, Mark? I have. Several times. The composition of emotional instigated tears are actually completely different than that of like you got onion in your eye.

different than that of like you got onion in your eye and and and and so they have they have more like different uh hormones and various different things whereas like onion in the eye is just pretty much like i think like salt water i've even seen this trailer i feel my ship starting well up right now man this movie oh jesus caramel cocoa but this is but i think this is an interesting idea of how uh our our bodies have these innate like operating systems in a way that when we have stuff it's like pent-up energy you could say in quotations yeah we have ways of letting it come out you know and so you think of of you know exhalation puts the nervous system more into that parasympathetic side of the nervous system. It's like, ah. And so if you have a lot of pent-up energy from a thing,

like maybe you're laughing, what is laughing? Laughing is literally engaging that parasympathetic side of the nervous system. You're exhaling air. It's changing your whole hormonal makeup in that instant based off of just this thing that we call laughing. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I was like, oh, he's just laughing. But he's also like tuning his nervous system in a way. And you think of like tears.

It's like I have so much emotion. All of the neurochemics, all the things, they're building up. I can't handle it. And you have this spout of hormone-filled water that comes out of your eyes. It's just very interesting. Yeah. So do you find that you're a little bit after that? Are you still more emotive now?

Totally. Yeah? Oh, yeah. I'm a big crier. Let me ask, when you were younger, do you think you weren't nearly as emotional? Super repressed. Super repressed.

Yeah, super unsure about what i'm doing here super like not never felt connected to my family my mom and dad felt connected but like go to go to family reunions i was like who are these people and like like okay i love i love my grandma you know but just like those agreed upon holiday things where you go and you sit there and I felt like everyone else felt like they belonged and they were like, oh, they're in their spot. And I was kind of just like, what do I do with my hands? Like, what am I doing here? You know? And so I didn't feel that, that like, ah, like, ah, this is it. I'm home kind of sensation. You're like, I'm the different one. I eat different. I drink different. I walk different.

I kind of talk different. I think different. Does everyone feel that way? Yeah, probably. Probably a lot of people. There's probably a lot of other people there that might feel that way. Isn't that funny? That's why it's so important.

Who cares if you're different? It's great. Oh, it's a good thing. Well, yeah, I mean, you can grow into that. But I think that's the thing is like if you're willing to talk about stuff, that's the thing that typically happens. If there's a thing that I slash we are really ashamed about, in my experience, if there's something I'm just like,

oh, man, I really fucked up, or something that I don't want to, that thing about myself, I wouldn't want anyone to find that out. When you finally just come from a place of like, this is what happened. I don't know what I was thinking. I was there.

I couldn't control myself to think. And then like, this is it. People are like, oh, bro, I've been there. Yeah, definitely. And you're like, what? Really? And then suddenly, I think what happens is people, as you put your mask down, up the up the invitation for the next person to be like okay cool i had some level of like my my persona which persona comes from a greek word

as well but it's it's uh it was the actual the masks that they would wear in theater which was like this conical mask it would project their voice out uh that from my understanding is called a persona so it was like persona literally means your mask and so when you share something that's seems kind of maybe like you're a little like i don't know about sharing that and you don't need to share everything but you know it i think it opens up permission for other people to like oh like we kind of relax a little bit more you're're like, Oh yeah, bro. Me too.

Maybe you shouldn't show up to these family reunions loaded on mushrooms. You got any good stories for us in those regards? Like, well, like psychedelics. Yeah. People usually have like a mushroom story or something. Not really.

Nothing too crazy. Yeah. I mean, what's been your experience with some of them and and maybe how they've been helpful and like psychedelics yeah or hurtful who knows yeah um i mean my experience with psychedelics so like i almost don't even want to say the term ayahuasca because it has so many different like connotation and like oh boy here we go let's go for this ride come on yeah dude i had an interesting thing with ayahuasca where i went and uh bro was one of those retreats bro so this was interesting and there was a lot of people there that if i mentioned their name everyone knows like who they are yeah uh in like a like a big meaningful way um and so it was it wasn't just like a like a random kind of thing that i signed up for whatever it's kind of like damn like how did i get here kind of thing um and in one of the

situations dude there was a a woman and a fella uh that they had this encounter with this alien grasshopper creature. This is real. All right. They come, they implanted some type of thing into, with the woman, it was into her like nasal cavity. She was very conscious of it, very aware of it. With the fella, he did it, put it into his knuckle. An interesting story with the fella he did it put it into his knuckle uh an interesting story with the woman she had she got a call from this girl that i was actually thinking about doing a podcast with but

i decided not because it'd be too weird but she like works with like aliens and stuff like that's her thing she's like famous on the internet for like doing alien stuff okay you know people getting you know probed and whatnot and she calls her up because she's going to rent her house in topanga california to shoot some stuff and she's like oh by the way woman that was at this retreat uh i i know that the plamubio people or aliens or whatever visited you and like i know that it was you know probably really scary but like they you know they they're they're actually here to help you they're here to support you like there's nothing to be worried about just randomly she like knew that this shit happened with her very strange and so during the experience one of the nights I think there's like the second or third night I think it was their night um this the guy beside me he had this experience where there was like this moth thing. I heard it.

I heard this thing going above me. I swear, I swear to God. And I was like, I was like, I was thinking that I'm just tripping. I'm like, okay, well I'm tripping, you know, whatever, you know, I'll let, I'll let that be. Uh, and then he's confirmed afterwards. Like, and then he's confirmed afterwards like dude did you hear the moth I'm like yeah dude like that was actually happening for you

the woman gets essentially possessed by this alien creature thing she starts like chirping and going and all sorts of wild stuff she turns into a like an insect essentially she goes outside she's eating bugs off of the ground she goes into the bathroom and these

ma like all of the bugs are like swarming the bathroom because they're like attracted to her for some reason this is actually happening this is actually happening okay yeah this isn't just i remembered this this is like this is like confirmed next day like okay well the alien creatures like we have a name for them they visited and the idea suggested by um them is that these aliens come down and uh they essentially like digest the the darkness and the trauma and like all of the shit they actually like feed on the shit that comes up from the people during the ceremony.

Yeah. And just like an animal would like, you know, like a fly would feed on shit or whatever. Like they're literally these sentience, I don't know, alien creatures that come down and do that. And,

uh, yeah, I mean, that's, that was interesting. I'm not saying that that's spiritual. I'm not saying that's helpful.. I'm not saying that's helpful. I'm not even saying that's real.

Yeah. But that was an interesting thing of just like, oh, as far as interesting shit that's happened to me during something that was psychedelic, that was very high ranking. Wow. Yeah. It sounds like it. Wow. What's the deal with your diet? You got done with your workout today.

You were like stretching. You were getting a pre-podcast pump. And then you were just sitting there doing a squat and you were drinking on some bone broth. Oh, yeah. What's the diet like? I think, yeah, for me, I lean towards pretty good amount of protein mostly. I think the most important thing is the sourcing of your food. I'd be curious your guys' perception of that.

Yeah, you don't live here. You came from Texas, right? Yeah. So I got like pasture-raised bone broth. You went to the grocery store and picked up some stuff and made your own little home here while you're here for a day. Yeah. So the stuff that I got in my little like nutritional toolbox here was I got some berries,

like some blackberries or whatever. And I got four hard-boiled eggs. I got a container of bone broth. And I got a little cacao smoothie. Nice. So just like light, low-glycemic, high-protein, good for thinking. Generally speaking, I personally find eating, i don't know i think it varies man like my perception my opinion on nutrition right now i'm very sure it's going to change in two or three years so i don't get like overly into the weeds of like oh this is bro i fucking got it for

you man this is it uh for me presently i'm like mostly like way more meat than normal and following the trend. Organ meat, doing all the things. Like two meals a day. Have you found organ meat being beneficial for you? Like did you feel any difference from – I don't know. You don't know? I mean that's the kind of fun thing about stuff like – I don't know. I mean like kratom for example, which I think what you will about kratom, but it's like you feel the thing.

You're like, oh, put the thing in. Like, oh, this is happening. Or there's certain supplements and such or even foods that you feel pretty – like coffee. You're like, oh, I know what coffee does. A lot of the stuff – I take all sorts of organ pills and all that stuff because they're sent to me at no cost is the main reason. I don't know if anybody would spend a lot of money on them. And I just cross my fingers. Yeah.

You know, it seems like a good idea. You know, our hunter-gatherer. I mean, if you look at animals in nature, they go for the organs. What I heard, which is really interesting, more recently was that people would eat organs over the years uh and there's still cultures that do um but i think maybe the information got screwed up somewhere we have weird information surrounding like vitamins and stuff i think that we think that when we take like more vitamins it's going to like result in something more yeah and it could just be it could be uh just covering your bases which is nice yeah um but you're you're i don't think there's any reason to eat like a ton of organs i don't think there's a reason like go after eating like a pound or

anything like that especially when you consider how the fat soluble vitamins absorb in the body you don't even really need them every day they're they're in the system yeah they're in the system for a while. So if you get stuff like that occasionally, I think it could be great. But I don't think you need to really sweat it and worry about how much you get all the time. I think a good chunk of what the amount of passion behind the nutritional conversation, which is why I pretty much just stay out of it, like my social media and such, I ask quote-unquote experts their perspective, but sometimes I'll have a vegan expert on, and sometimes I'll have a carnivore expert on, and sometimes I'll have a whatever on, and they all have diametrically opposed opinions and they all have their research

and they all have their experts and they all have their, everybody's a doctor. So I'm like, I don't know what to think. So, you me i'm i'm more just like okay what's working for me now if you want to ask i'll tell you but i don't really care to like pour what i'm doing down anybody's throat and say this is the thing you should this is the thing this is the best thing i can say this is what i'm is presently working to the best of my knowledge now but you know i knew i've known Paul Saladino for, for years. Um, and I had on my podcast the first time, probably five years ago or something like that. Uh, and that time he was like full on religious about, you can only eat meat, bro.

Yeah. Like everything else is a problem, you know? And, and, and during that time in our, in our conversation i was like dude this doesn't make sense like if you live in hawaii you're probably gonna eat a papaya you're not gonna be like no like keep it away like it's like it's this doesn't make sense way too good yeah like it's like what are you like a mango like it's on the ground it smells delicious yeah it's like what are you talking about you know but like there's all the science and all the data and this is what's going on and then nothing it's paul i love paul but but just in general this is what happens yes you know so this is like a microcosm

of what happens in the macro he's like oh three years later it's like oh by the way like everything i said like yes but like you know before i was like fruit is a maybe now i'm like fruit is actually awesome you know so now like look at all of my fruit. Look how colorful the background is now. This is it. And then it's like, oh, by the way, white rice, not that bad. It's actually having

the kernel on the outside that's the problem. That's where the lectins and all the different things are. And there's a reason that for thousands of years, the world has pretty much run on white rice. Like there's some wisdom in that of like, oh, we've done this for a very long time. Maybe there's something to it. And my feeling, my suspicion is next is going to be probably an opening up into, you know, vegetable foods and things like that.

But the conversation would be around preparation. So that gets into kind of like the like the steven gunnery stuff yeah so that gets kind of like the steven gunnery type um perspectives which again i don't think many people have it's just their perspective it's lots of perspectives that people popularize uh but it's been like cool like you can eat that but pressure cook it you can eat that but ferment it you can You can eat that but there's methods that will actually kind of cook out some of those perceivable toxins that would cause you issues. But there's ways to get around that. Like you wouldn't eat a sweet potato raw. It would jack you up.

But there's ways to cook it and suddenly it works out. So my feeling is that arc arc the nutritional arc um it's ever-changing and mostly what's happening there are people are you know either trying to just confirm their own bias uh which is you know that's a thing but also just trying to create community like that's the thing that for sure like everything aside eat white rice or fish or pickles or whatever, you want to have a team and you want to have people. And so if we become team carnivore, it makes me feel like I have this in-group type experience, which is very nutritious. So now I have my in-group, you know, and it's just theater. It's also nice to feel that you figured it out.

Oh, yeah, dude. You know what I mean? And like, oh, I have this and that's just theater. It's also nice to feel that you figured it out. Oh, yeah, dude. You know what I mean? And like, oh, I have this and that's not good. It's good to feel that way. But I mean, I think there's one thing. Even if it's an illusion. Even if it could be an illusion. But there's one thing that we've learned with all the different people you've brought on.

There's a lot of ways to do this thing. There's a lot of ways to do this thing in a beneficial manner. It's like you don't need to stamp yourself down to trying this one diet and sticking there for the rest of your life you can allow yourself to try a few different things and see how you respond and see if if for some reason eating bok choy gives you an autoimmune response okay don't eat any or don't eat as much bok choy just try some shit out and see how see how you handle it and then with and then with that it's like the way to actually know what the hell is going on is you have to be willing to

observe and you have to be willing to listen. And if you're living in a world where like me, like I'm not above any of this, I'm addicted to my cell phone, I'm addicted to all sorts of stuff. Um, that where it's like, cool,

you're eating and you're listening to a podcast and you're listening to music and you're checking your notifications on this platform and that platform. And then you're going to write an email while you're listening to a podcast and you're listening to music and you're checking your notifications on this platform and that platform and then you're going to write an email while you're eating, you don't know what the hell is going on. So how do you expect to gather any data as a scientist of your N of 1 experience? You're not paying attention. And then you're waiting for someone else to tell you what to do. Like, what the hell

it reminds me of uh on an episode of seinfeld george costanza tried to eat a pastrami sandwich while having sex yeah it didn't work out the way that he wanted it's like pastrami sandwich his favorite thing and he's like if i can line these two things up and he's like reaching over and trying to like eat this yeah because he was in the kitchen. I remember that. He almost got it to work. Yeah, it's bizarre. Mixing too many good things at one time. What do you got over there, Andrew? Dude, almost nothing.

This was such a cool conversation. That doesn't bear for it. Huh? Nothing. Oh. See if you can pull up. I've emailed you something over there. This is something that I came across the other day, and I think it has a lot to do with what we talked about today it's not about aliens but

uh it's um five pillars of i guess like wealth a bunch of different ways you can have wealth oh cool rather than just uh kind of like the one thing of people just thinking like the quantitative thing yeah they're just going to have money or they're just going to be healthy. How do you measure? Well, I think you said it, uh, you said it early on, you said ease, you know, and I, I like that word, um, ease and dis ease, you know, um, I feel that I have a lot of ease. feel good i feel that things are going well um how long have you felt that way i'm sure it's not a static like ever yeah yeah probably ish for like a decade or so how was your age now 104 nice do you say your age i don't know if it's like a weird thing no it's not a weird thing i'm 46 that'd be funny if it was okay so 36 all right so i'm 35 so hopefully maybe this is some indication

that i'm coming into something here yeah i was around 36 damn elders are important not that i wouldn't say like well you're elder to me yeah i would say it's fair yeah but elder i'm saying like like gabor mate it would be like an example i. Sorry for saying his name pretentiously, but that's actually how you say it. Don't you love that when you're talking just like full English? Oh, yeah. And then you're like, let's go get some fajitas or whatever. I'm like, bro, just call it a fajita, dude. Like, come on, dog.

I just read his book recently. What was it called? The Myth of Normal. The Myth of Normal. In the realm of hungry ghosts. That's where I got that his book recently. What was it called? The Myth of Normal. The Myth of Normal. In the realm of hungry ghosts. That's where I got that term from originally. He's wrote a really good book on parenting. He's great.

I really love Gumbore. I've got to do some like rolfing body work stuff with him as well. Yeah, see if we can get some audio on this. Oh, snap. Wealth. Friends. Friends. Money.

And family. Family. If you have all the money in the world you're not healthy you ain't got nothing you know about the five wealths everyone thinks you're rich if you have a lot of money but there's four other ways to be rich there's a wealth of time there's a wealth of friends there's a wealth of health and there's family and love and relationships time wealth friends friends money and family family if you have family. You guys have a very similar voice, by the way. I don't know.

Huh. That's good, Andrew. There's a wealth of friends. There's a wealth of health. No. I don't think so. Maybe. No.

I don't think so. Yeah, but I think that we've been duped in a lot of ways, I think, you know, and like most of the, the, the research that I've seen, at least in relation to the, the financial wealth part is,

and you guys have all heard this as well, but it's, it only, it does make you happier when you get out of a place of poverty. Poverty sucks. And, but it's, it's being low on a socioeconomic hierarchy. It's all relativity. So whether you're really rich or not, it's being low on a socioeconomic hierarchy.

It's all relativity. So whether you're really rich or not, it's the comparison game that's the thing. And so you're working to keep yourself up on that high level of comparison based off of the people around you. And within all those things, there's a lot of context in each one of those. He says wealth. He does talk about money. And it's like, well, just because we're talking about money and it's like well you know just just because we're talking about money and we're talking about wealth doesn't mean you have to

necessarily be rich and just because we're talking about your health doesn't necessarily mean that you need to be ripped and just because we're talking about friends doesn't need to uh mean that you need a lot of them and just because we're talking about family doesn't mean that you need to have a wife or significant other like you probably have family members that love you and care about you. Yeah, and you can create family. Right. You know, that's the, I mean, that's, that's the, and it's, it's the comparison game. That's really the most challenging thing.

And it never stops. Like it's, it's, it's, it's so, I think insidious. And now we are, our minds, because we're, we're leasing out our minds to social media, to TV, to podcasts. So I think it's very wise to be very intentional about who you lease your mind out to. Don't just let that shit flop around all willy-nilly. Be like, cool, I'm, and that's like an Ayurvedic perspective with what you, the way that what I've heard in ayurvedic medicine which again i don't really know hardly anything about at all but i just heard this uh from another buddy on a

podcast called peter crone and he broke down to me in that conversation that the ayurvedic lens on what we see like the images that we see it's actually like you're consuming that image with your eyes which that comes into like you know is porn malignant or benign i think it completely depends you know but that would be an example of like cool if you're staring at horror movies all day people getting stabbed and you're watching like some weird porn stuff, just whatever, compared to you're taking a walk outside looking at clouds and trees and you're bird watching. You're like pulling the image of the bird

and you're observing their life. Two very different effects. That's a beautiful bird. Ah, let me check in on these titties. Are you guys more boob guys or butt guys? of it booty booty that's a that's a mature response really why is that a mature response well you know i just i really want to know why is that a mature response and you take us out of here we could have gone on for another hour on this because this is where the this is where the meat happens. This is where it starts.

This is the meat of the conversation. I would say evolutionarily speaking. Yeah, ratio. Ratio. Yeah, waist to hip ratio. So he's ready to mate. Birthing hips. Birthing hips.

I know. Yep. That's what I like. It's also an indication of if a person has more visceral fat, it's going to be higher likelihood of depression and various different diseases manifesting themselves. So low hip to waist – or maybe it's high. Whatever. If the waist is a lot bigger than the butt, yeah. It's like it's not a good indication as far as bringing that individual into your tribe.

And that ass looking really good. So that ass looking really good. Also another thing, so this is, this is the thing I think is relevant. So a person that develops a butt, like you have to work for a butt. Generally, yes. And also to develop a butt, you can kind of hack it and just do a bunch of like pelvic thrust stuff over and over again in whatever form and create hypertrophy and you know more size and all that stuff but generally speaking to develop a hearty you know badonkadonk like two fine hams and as with two z's you need to be lunging you need to be squatting you need to be stepping up you need to be well fed abducting you need to be well fed your hormones need to be on point if your hormones are off it's tough

it's tough to make a donk donk and so there's a lot of information in a bot what does it mean if you're into thick wrists oh bro who's not into thick wrists let's go this guy started the thick wrist fan club yeah yeah dude pro nation super nation you gotta fucking roll it out that's amazing you know she's dense and she has good longevity that's what thick wrist means if you see a little wrist girl you know she's breakable oh i agree with that bro i shook i shook a man's hand the other day, and I felt the carpal bones. Oh, no. Fucking fully subluxed. Bro, I lost so much respect in that moment. And then I was like, all right, no judgment. This man.

That was my internal process. The carpal bones fully subluxed. Like, can we get you doing some heavy bench presses and some heavy farmer's carries or something? Bro, your constitution. Put it together. What are you doing? That's actually grip strength is a higher indicator of cardiovascular health or disease than blood pressure. Interesting.

Cool. Tick us on that. All right. Thank you, everybody, for checking out today's episode. Stick around for Smelly's tip of the day uh drop your uh your favorite like segment of this whole podcast drop that down below in the comment section i want to see what you guys uh were gravitating to the most uh because that would be fucking awesome uh make sure you guys like today's episode and i subscribe you guys are not subscribed already follow the podcast at mb power project on instagram tiktok

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That is it. The Align Method. That is one. Is it okay if I share? Share whatever you'd like. Yeah. I see you got this doorknob band thing too that you gave us. That's actually a prostate massage device. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. Oh, it's been... Hey now.

The most relevant thing that I'm doing right now, if people... I don't think we talked about much of the stuff that I do in the way of like exercise and instruction and mobility and all those different things. But that's the brunt of what I do. Check this out because he just moves in an amazing way.

So you got to check him out. Thank you, man. But yeah, so we are over the last seven months, I'd say, we've been working on the Align Method program. That's the name of the book. This is like the digital version of that. It's a six-week program. Essentially, the first two-thirds takes a person from moving you know sagittal plane just kind of like linear

standard global gym workout uh into moving multi-planar contralateral kicking punching throwing like making that transition for you uh and then oh yeah there's my stuff and then week five gets into nervous system regulation. What's the brand of that brand? Those are Hertz bands. They're dope. That's Mike Salemi. He's awesome.

Really like Mike a lot. Yeah, so the program that comes out, I'm, like, immensely excited about it. And the first week is free. So in that, you get a movement assessment. You go through what I consider to be the most important mobility fundamentals. This is all, what, online type thing? All online, yeah. Okay. Yeah, online.

The first, so it's going to be launching mid-January. And the first cohort, I'll be going through all of it with everyone. We're going to be doing live calls on each week. And that's, to start the free trial, that's at alignpodcast.com slash A-M-P, Align Method Program. How long have you been, like, working with people to maybe help alleviate pain and to help them move better? Well, I started training, like, personal training at LA Fitness. I got, like, my NASM certification. That was when I was 16.

Damn. That was 19 years ago. I think I got really lucky in a way where I've been specializing from a professional way since I've been literally like a little kid, which is very convenient, as opposed to figuring it out when you're in your 30s or whatever.

So I started on that. And then, like I said, I tore myself apart just really training in a super imbalanced way and then that turned into studying rolfing and various different forms of manual therapy and then and then just i've been like a i don't know like a whore or connoisseur of all the different movement movement modalities that's us so i want to hear hear about, if you've done functional patterns or go to or CrossFit or freaking whatever, Olympic lifting,

you're a runner. I'm like, wow, tell me about that. Like what works? Oh, like where are you hurt? Where have you hurt yourself? Like, okay, like probably don't want to do that. And as I've been doing that

professionally on the podcast for the last eight years, that's when I started like social media and all that stuff. And, you know, so yeah, I'm just interested. I just want to learn more. And what have, what have been some of people's experience so far with your program? Like have you been able to solve some pretty big issues for people? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the big thing is just a person that is, it feels like they've had long-term aches and pains and like they haven't been able to get the range they want um providing people actionable exercises on how to how to make that

happen but also not just exercises but also understanding how to regulate your nervous system uh also understanding how to augment your environment so that the way that you live day to day changes the shape of your body. Such a massive point. That's totally like I don't hear it enough. Like your body, you're continually forming. Like right now there's a term that it's probably too late in the game to mention stuff like this, but mechanotransduction, which I know you guys know what that is.

So right now as our feet are in contact with the ground, we're creating this electrical stimulus on any of the tissue our feet are in contact with the ground we're creating this electrical stimulus on any of the tissue that's coming in contact with the world around us and it's sending a stimulus into the fibroblasts and fibroclasts and osteoclasts and like all the cells that build tissue or break it down and it's saying cool build up here okay don't build up here chew that that part away make it you know make weaker, atrophy that part. So in your world, if you're sitting on a chair all day, if you're sitting on the ground, if you're doing pull-ups throughout the day, you're hanging, you know, you're wrestling, you're grappling, you are the architect of your body, man. Like you're in control,

you're responsible, you know? And so one of the biggest things is just like not in the modern world. I think it's so important to not just be, in the wind of modernity because if you are, statistically, it's like it's not looking good. Yeah. So we need – if we want to have longevity and strength and flexibility and all those things, confidence, all this stuff, I think we need to take steps to reimplement some movement into our daily lives. And it's super freaking simple. We just, it's just little, little things like we're, we're, there's so much low hanging fruit that we're just not doing. And it like makes me crazy to look at it. And I think you'll find that if you start to move around a little bit, you start to, um, just even like passively stretch

or get into different ranges of motion. Uh, and you do it periodically throughout the day, you'll find that you'll feel good. And it could be something as simple as remember kelly stirret you know in his book talking about just putting your foot up on a box or putting your foot up on a chair yeah take yourself these are things that i do often i don't really love to just sit there and like stretch for 20 minutes but i do move around a lot just as you were doing in the gym when we when we were talking you know i got done with my workout and you were move around a lot. Just as you were doing in the gym when we were talking, I got done with my workout and you were moving around a lot. I think I can envision that in my head for the masses. I can envision that everyone could figure out versions of that

and maybe they wouldn't be able to get into positions that you were getting into, but maybe for themselves they can get into positions that also make them feel good. Yeah, and with anything, like if someone's a black belt in jujitsu or something, they're not better than anyone. They just have thousands more hours than you do. So if you're a person that from a proprioceptive perspective, you're like, what do they call it, like KQ, your kinesthetic IQ,

if you just don't pay attention, what the hell do you expect? It's not like anybody did you wrong or you did yourself wrong or whatever. You just haven't invested. It's not bad. It's not good. It just is. You just didn't invest.

It's real simple. As you're going through your day, what are the tiniest little micro-interventions that you can add in? One would be like, cool, I'm going to maybe listen to this podcast and take a walk. I'm going to take my sunglasses off. I'm going to get like some sun exposure to my eyes, to my skin. Maybe I'll take my shirt off and I'm going to get more sun.

So it's good for my hormones and good for nitric oxide and all the different things. Also, maybe I'll get a little cold while I do that. Oh, cool. Now we're going to this thermogenic effect. Now I'm burning more calories. Oh, now I'm actually going through this whole huge orchestra of muscular contraction, you know, that we call shivering. It's so amazing. You know, and that's like I brought this book, the the george hackenschmidt the way to live

and he's like one of the most famous strong men you're giving that to us right that is yours yeah that stays on the shelf yeah yeah um and that's this like the stuff that he talks about in there from 1896 or whatever uh is all the shit that we're talking about in the biohacking world of 2020, like this progressive stuff. Take a cold shower in the morning or a cold bath, as he suggests, and instead of just drying yourself off, exercise yourself to dry. And then when you're using a towel, he suggests to be quite rough and coarse with it.

That's lymphatic massage, dude. You don't need to be a doctor. You don't need to be an quite like rough and coarse with it. That's lymphatic massage, dude. Like you don't need to be a doctor. You don't need to be an osteopath. Like you just need to pay attention. Pull on the skin, irritate it a little bit. Yeah, just lift it, you know, get that superficial fascia moving a little bit, you know, and what you'll feel even just with yourself,

and I'll shut up because I know we got to wrap up, but if there's places in your body that feel dense, dehydrated, unresponsive, any of that, they just need to be paid attention to. Yeah. How do you pay attention to it? Add a little feedback in the form of pressure.

It could be a resistance band. It could be a ball, whatever. And just pay attention. Roll the wrist in, roll the wrist out, flex, extend,

breathe into that area. If it's in the ribs or the armpit, visualize. You got to get Chris Gdowski on your podcast. You guys have great conversation. Yeah. Yeah. I'm connected.

Yeah. I want to strongly encourage people to mess around with a foam roller or a ball or whatever the hell you can roll on. A barbell. It doesn't matter. Myofascial release is great. Yeah. And then the – God, I'm so sorry. I keep on going.

No, it's okay. and then the god I'm so sorry I keep on going but you know there's a thing that I know you guys are also familiar with that unnecessary acronym NEAT non-exercise activity thermogenesis you know you can burn I've read between like an extra

1 to 2,000 calories a day from just being more NEAT and that's just kind of fiddling around you know like as we're doing this podcast I've been like marching in place. Not that I'm any pestilized. No one needs to look up to me for neat, but it's so simple.

We got these little rock things under our feet. There was a study that Huberman recently, I heard him talking about, where they're dorsiflexing, plantar flexing actively, intentionally the ankle, which is so dumb, for like five hours or

something stupid and what was it blood sugar it's like really good for blood yeah yeah it's like bro you know like you're in training yeah and your your your ankle as well it's it's all tied into your neurology you know so when you're moving like your your brain comes from the same dermal layer as your skin, right? So like the ectoderm, that's for embryologically speaking, like your brain and your skin, it's one continuous layer. You don't have this brain that exists in a vacuum. Like your whole body is the brain. So instead of doing – That was a nice dance.

Yeah, Sean T. Shout out to Sean T. Love the gays. Yeah, big fan. Big fan of the g you. Yeah. Sean T. Yeah. Shout out to Sean T. Love the gays. Yeah. Big fan. Big fan. Big fan of the gays. Anyways.

Yeah. So the, so the, the, the, the, if people are interested in going into those parts, uh,

of like the actual movement aspect of the align method and all that stuff, uh, yeah. Align podcast.com slash AMP is a free trial for the program. All right. Here's your hostage tape and here's your eye mask. That tape I don't think will rip off your mustache. You can try it and we'll see what happens.

Thick mustache over there. For Smelly's tip, I just want to encourage people just to lift heavy. If it's been a while since you lifted heavy, I want to encourage you to find some different ways to just get some weight on your body. Just get, you know, whether it's, I think shrugs are kind of like a forgotten exercise, but a great one. Whatever movements that you can do, that you can handle, I don't care if it's a machine bench press or if it's a leg press or what machine it is or what kind of piece of equipment it is, find something that you can overload with safely. Do it a couple times a week and see if you can improve upon that.

Write down your numbers, pay attention to it, and over time see if you can increase the strength. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.