Mark Bell's Power Project - OVERRATED: Controversial Ideas & Fitness Influencers Pt. 1 || MBPP Ep. 924

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

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overrated underrated when it comes to a barbell i think they're all overrated full range of motion i think what people think is full range of motion isn't always even full range of motion functional training i don't even really believe that there's any non-functional movements cholesterol overrated perfectly rated the carnivore diet what whoa being like super carnivore and being like against vegetables i think is i think it's a little too far andrew huberman mike o'hearn underrated yeah i think so come on overrated lane norton lane norton what do we do here i would say that lane norton has to go into this game here we go power project family i hope you're having an amazing day and if you're not well i hope this

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Careful. You got to look at it as you press overhead. Or look away so you can stack your bones better. Stacked it up. We're rolling, so whenever you guys need it. Dude, you got a new car? Yeah Stacked it up. We're rolling. Dude, you got a new car? Yeah, yeah. Sick.

I'm stoked. What was going on with the other one? A lot. So Subarus have this really cool feature that comes stock. Like every Subaru has this. It's not like you have to pay additional fee to get this upgrade. But they burn and leak oil. Like you don't have to do anything.

You just do it on your own. The car will smoke. Yeah, yeah. That's a good special effects. Whenever I would get here, you know, it was more of a shot to the ego because I know what's going on. But I just don't have the time to fix it. But I'd get here or every stoplight get off the freeway. Like smoke would be coming up. And it's like I want to have this disclaimer like guys i know

it's there it's just oil it's it's probably leaking out of the valve cover if i'm lucky people are like pointing at you telling you to roll your window yeah yeah your car's on fire especially in the middle of traffic like nah it's fine i pull up a picture of your babe by the way so people can see what you got because your car is nice i know i haven't taken the outside picture but i'll do another one kind of also piss that he hasn't taken me on a drive like he came here one day and i was like dude you gotta take me around the block he's like something not yet i'm like what yeah well because it's still the break-in period what is the break-in period it's gonna take you 45 minutes to get around the block with andrew yeah i do drive a little slow well don't you like to this is the thing about you you're you like to go fast though

like you're if you're a race guy last yeah you gotta want to go fast uh yeah but so the the yeah i just but i gotta be careful you know i got a car seat in the back but um but the the other car was burning up oil and literally catching fire power steering is about to go out headlights worked when they wanted. What else? Did you see the new, there's a commercial for Subaru I saw recently. Maybe it's only like a local commercial. But have you seen this commercial?

The guy gets in the car and he's about to start it up and take off. And then a bunch of chicks pile in the back. I was like, is this what happens when you have a Subaru? Is that what Andrew has been? Hey, let us know in the comments. Like, is this a panty dropper car, this kind of thing? Yours is, kind of. Like, yours is.

Well, it's just like when we work on our physiques, we think it's going to get us a lot of chicks. And it's just mainly a bunch of dudes that are like, sick, bro. That's us. Angelo would be pumped for you right yeah yeah he would be like oh my god yeah oh man yeah no i'm excited six speed so it's tons of fun to drive it's good in the snow and stuff like that yeah yeah all practical here in sacramento right yeah yeah had to make sure i got all-wheel drive yeah on a car that's just true like known for burning oil and shit so yeah yeah, smart move.

You mentioned commercials though, and what are you watching that you get commercials? Just watching TV. Damn, you're old. Yeah, if you have a TV on, you're supposed to have your phone in front of you too, right? Yeah.

I just realized I haven't seen a normal commercial in a very long time. I don't know what I was watching it might have been like local news or something the TV's on in our house all the time okay okay you watch the local news Jasmine actually my daughter was like on TV and so like we

watched like the Sacramento News I don't know which one and like they they tell I mean I tell shitty jokes but like they tell really bad jokes and everyone laughs and I'm like damn this is terrible and like they they tell i mean i'm i tell shitty jokes but like they tell really bad jokes and everyone laughs and i'm like damn this is terrible like every 30 seconds there's another commercial break like dude how do people do this like this is terrible how did we do that i don't know we had longer attention spans when we were younger that's true that's absolutely true because i would not do that shit everything we watch we stream i end up watching a bunch of stuff yeah but yeah a

lot of it is streamed too like watching mandalorian and all that kind of stuff succession i don't know if you guys ever see that show but i like that are you caught up yeah yeah you watch succession i don't know what you're talking about i love that show i can't watch it right now it's so it's so long you're gonna have four seasons deep but succession's good you saw the recent episode i did yeah we ain't gonna spoil it but you guys gotta watch got to watch Succession. It's good. It's good. Anyway, overrated, underrated.

Saw this. I think I'm both. Mark Bell. Overrated, period. End of show. Take it in. We saw this video from Jeff Nippard, and go check out Jeff and Lane's video. He did an overrated underrated on different topics in fitness and i was like yo this is dope we should we should do

this because uh there's some things i definitely disagreed with but we have some uh other things to add to that list so we want to we want you guys to let us know too as we're going through this shit what you think is overrated underrated and we're adding a little thing to it p or perfectly rated okay so i have a p you have a p the p is on your other sheet overrated i feel like there's a spider on my flip it around yeah there's a spider on your motherfucking head remember that what's that movie no i don't you mean snakes on a plane i don't i don't understand your jive talk or what it is you're talking about he's like no no there's a motherfucking spider on your motherfucking head um martin lawrence and uh the really tall white comedian

um who you're talking about yeah he talks kind of like he he's not talking about rapaport are you no that's a different movie oh shit there's people listening that are like i know the name of the movie it's all white comedian um blue streak no where where martin's like plays a cop no it's a movie where he walks into that gas station and his feet are on fire and then the guy behind the guy behind the convenient the guy behind the counter goes you must be really fast fast andrew oh fuck uh what's the name of that movie i don't i don't know nothing to lose nothing i think that's it that's what i i pulled up yeah what's the actor the white actor oh fuck hold on uh he's in a car and he goes crazy because he he has like a tarantula on his head oh my god oh those. Those are fucking... Tim Robbins.

Tim Robbins. There we go. Pull him up. Who's Tim Robbins? Pull up this clip. You got to pull up this clip. You got to find it. One thing at a time, guys.

Yeah, you too. And there's one more clip you got to pull up after this before we get into this. We're treating Andrew like he's chat TV. For real. What the fuck? Look at his face.

Martin Lawrence was such a good actor. Oh my God. He's amazing. There's a spider on your head. Look, I am sorry. look at his face Marlon Lawrence was such a good actor he was amazing there's a spider on your head look I'm sorry I'm not up on all this jive talking homeboy lingo there's a spider on your head which means

there's a spider on your motherfucking head holy fuck that's fucking massive dude you must be really fast all right can you type in airplane oh yeah with the jive sling oh that white woman i think her name what's her fucking name oh yeah she's like i speak jive yeah yeah barbara billingsley he said that he's in great pain and he wants to know if you can help him. All right.

Would you tell him to just relax and I'll be back as soon as I can with some medicine? Just hang loose, blood. She's going to catch up on the rebound on the mid-side. What it is, big mama? My mama don't raise no dummies. I duck her rap. Got me some slack, Jack. It's just cutting.

We don't have anything. We say we don't have anything. Chomping one of him. Chomping. Don't get the hip. Is that duck a wrap? Got me some slack, Jack. Jumped the one and a half. Jumped the one and a half. She's so good. She's so good. They're like, what? Oh, man.

All right. All right. Let's get into this. Overrated, underrated. Training to failure. Overrated or underrated?rated just do it like this cheaply i would vote for overrated overrated what do you vote for andrew um training to failure yeah i'm gonna go ahead and hit that with an overrated as well i guess i'll give it some context for me i would just say that um i think that training and failure can be great in a lot

of ways. But I think we see so many of those bodybuilding videos of the guys just going all out, making these crazy faces. And then I think it can sometimes just give away the wrong message. And I would think that for the most part, when people are pretty new to training, that success is really what you're after. You don't necessarily need to break the bank and go to failure, in my opinion. Yeah, it causes a lot of damage, which is going to like, if you train to failure, like real failure, the next day you're going to be trashed and you're probably not going to be able to get into good training sessions. So it's good to use, but maybe instead of using on every set, use it on select sets

of select exercises so that the next day of training, you're not too beat up where you can't get a really good training session in again. So it's definitely good, but in my opinion, overrated. Yeah. And I'll just, again, echo everything you guys said, because if you're going to train the rest of the week, it's going to pull from your other workouts that are coming in the future. The massive value of training to failure is you could have a shorter training session. So if you wanted to train some arms and you didn't have a lot of time, you got 15 minutes, you could probably do a handful of sets and do like the last set or two to failure and

then be done with the workout. So that could be an advantage. But I also think for athletes that train to failure, I don't think it's a good idea to be wearing your workout two, three days after your training session. I don't think you want to be really sore going into jiu-jitsu or running and those kinds of things. Agreed. All right, next one. Bench press. Overrated, underrated?

I would say overrated. Really? Okay. I think that the bench press is an amazing exercise. Obviously, I've made a lot of money off the bench press. I mentioned this last time. It's kind of, I guess, like something that I got known for, right, was bench pressing. I think it's a really valuable exercise for me because of the skill set that I built with it.

I could still utilize that movement to lift heavy and to give me some goals and stuff like that. So for me, it's still a really good exercise for me to do. But I think when it comes to a barbell of a bench press squat or deadlift done in their traditional ways, I think they're all overrated. And the reason why I say that is I think that there's a lot of people that feel pressure that they have to do them in order to make progress, in order to be strong, or in order to be tough. How much you bench, bro? And then I hear people all the time saying like, oh, man, I bench, but it hurts my shoulder. And I'm always like, okay, you can try a slingshot on, but you honestly don't have to bench press.

And you certainly don't have to try to bench press every single week. Yeah, you do. I definitely have a bias since the bench wasn't always my best. Out of all the lifts, my bench was the weakest. I still never benched for 05. I think my best was 398. Right? So I'm not even part of the club.

But yeah, I definitely think there's other things you could do to build your chest other than bench pressing. And to build strength in the upper body. And to build strength in the upper body. So it's good, but strength in the upper body and to build strength in the upper upper body so it's good but i say overrated yeah uh i i could be way off on this but i think it's pretty safe to say getting good at bench pressing improves your bench pressing because if you want to be if you're an athlete or something i think there's many other movements that you should be focusing on to help like i don't think a 405 bench is going to help you be a better defensive tackle. I don't think it's going to help you tackle anybody. You know what I mean?

I understand it can help, but I think there's other movements that are going to help better serve you in whatever that arena is. Go check out our episode of Landmine University. Bam, exactly. If you want some explosive stuff right there. Yeah, or do some of those go-to movements. Now to go on the other side of that, I think that bench press, squat, and deadlift are done in a traditional way with a barbell are some of the greatest exercises you can do in the gym. And they're somewhat underrated to some extent because our general pop still doesn't really know about them.

about them. There's a lot of women and a lot of older people that maybe haven't really explored those movements that much because the exercises are difficult and because they can kind of hurt. But the advantage of barbell movements is the amount of weight that you can handle. So to try to be able to handle an equivalent amount of weight with dumbbells just isn't really possible. You know, somebody that obtains strength to bench 315 under normal circumstances can't rep the 150-pound dumbbells. So I think a bench press has a lot of utility. And again, if we're looking at like trying to manage time while you're training and trying to build size,

I think it's a really great exercise to learn. And it's a good thing to have a skill set with. But if you're looking for aesthetics and you just want to kind of have a stronger chest, I think there's a lot of other options in the gym and you don't have to necessarily bench press. Cool. All right.

Next one, a full range of motion, overrated, underrated, perfectly rated. Hmm. Oh, we got our first P.

I would go with an underrated. You think it's underrated? Yeah, I think that what people think is full range of motion isn't always even full range of motion. I think that a lot of the motions that we see in the gym are kind of adulterated. They're done like in these kind of shorter patterns. They're done in these kind of shorter patterns. I do understand from a bodybuilding perspective that a lot of bodybuilders will use these kind of pump sets, partial range of motions. Jay Cutler did this a lot in his training. But we have to sometimes keep in mind that when you watch Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman, Ronnie Coleman didn't lock his elbows out a lot of times on his dumbbell bench pressing.

It wasn't from lack of strength. He didn't want to wear down his joints and he wanted to target his muscles. We have to realize that these guys are black belts when it comes to training and when it comes to, you know, heavy lifting and lifting really in a particular way. These guys are like ninjas at what they do. They're really, really good at it. But on the topic of full range of motion, I think that people should try to express full range of motion in whatever ways they can and their own full range of motion. So there's no reason for me to go after your range of motion or Andrew's range of motion. I have to go after whatever in a coccyx squat or whatever that one's called where you shift

to the side. The coccyx. Coccyx. Coccyx. Yeah, yeah. The coccyx. Is that the coccyx? The tailbone squat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The tailbone squatbone squat yeah the squat that you do to the side yeah i'm not very proficient or very good at that one but i need to it would be a good idea for me to improve upon that so uh when i do it it might just look like a little baby step it might look like a partial range but over time hopefully I can work myself into developing more range of motion. Last thing I'll say before I turn it over to you guys is something like a knees over toes type of mentality I think is really great. Ben Patrick has done such a good job of introducing full range of motion with very, very light weights and or just body weight. So getting on a slant board and doing a squat and shoving knees forward and getting your butt down as low as you can get

your butt. I think that is a really awesome movement, especially if you feel really tight and especially if you're, if you normally are accustomed to kind of more of a power lifting type squat where you're going down about halfway. You're not like really breaking parallel the way a Olympic lifter might. You might not be going down quite as low. I think a lot of those range of motions done with really light weights are really, really good to explore. And then on top of that, where I would use partial range of motion is I would use partial range of motion with more overloaded stuff like a back squat and those kinds of things. Yeah, I'd say it's at this point perfectly rated because there's so many people that are sending good messages as far as full range of motion training.

It's kind of like Mike Isertel's Team Fullerom, Ben Patrick, all those guys from ATG and how big that's gotten. We've put out a lot of content so far on like increasing your range of motion with certain movements. So I don't think it's lost on people how beneficial long ranges motion can be i mean shoot matt winning when he did his 525 uh the uh when he's trying to rep the squat for reps what was the number one thing everyone was saying right that's not full rom i think people understand like full rom and its benefits and i like the full rom is great because it does allow you to get stronger in those ranges that you potentially wouldn't have strengthened and then you can express that right

so i think at this point i don't know i think it's perfectly rated where it is other than joel seedman you bring up a good point there's a lot of yeah there's a lot of people that are um that are showing you examples of like hey if your hip hurts you know try this movement. And then they get in some like gangsta-ed out full range of motion thing where you're like, how would somebody with injured hip ever be able to fucking perform that? I'm always like baffled by that. They're like, oh, just try this split. And I'm like, what the heck?

Does your hip hurt fucking? Yeah. I'm always like, man, they're on a different level than where I'm at, I guess. But I do think that the information is out there, you know, for people to check it out. Anyway, Andrew, what you got? Kind of more on the same wavelength as you because like the stuff I learned from Doug Brignoli, like sometimes people don't actually understand the range of motion because they don't really understand like what their muscles are supposed to do. So like a like a bent or yeah bent over row you know everybody likes doing that they like to go heavy they like to you know go from here to here but what you know Doug McNally would explain

is like how your lats are actually like kind of in a diagonal direction so if you match that diagonal direction and you pull in and then turn in a little bit you're getting full range of motion now i understand somebody's doing bent over rows and they're going full range for that motion so i'm i'm kind of like on the uh it's almost perfectly rated slightly underrated just because the knowledge might not be there but i think what insima said is like it's spot on people do freak out if you're not you know t- teabagging Satan on a squat. You know, like it's like so it's on people's radar. So that's why it's not like highly overrated. But I think it's it's it's good.

It's close. You know, I think it's it's in the right direction. Put it that way. What are your guys thoughts on full range of motion and shorter ranges of motion? Do you think both should be explored or like where do you guys sit with some of that? I think there's a time and a place. For example, we've talked about box squats and how beneficial those can be for allowing you to work with a decent load and even heavier load on the squat, but then not fatiguing you so much that you can't go do something else. Because think about like,

you know, if you're trying to do, let's say three plates for sets of 10 on a squat, depending on your strength level, let's just say it's 80% and do sets of 10 on the box squat, you're still going to be able to work with that load and get through a decent range of motion. And you'll find that after you finish that, you're still able to go do something like run or jujitsu or whatever. But if you do full range of motion, multiple sets of that, you're going to be so beat up that you can't do anything else. So there is a benefit in doing partial ROM for certain movements. So that if you're an athlete that does multiple sports like yourself and you, Andrew, you have the energy to go do other things and you're getting the benefit of the load in the gym. I love it for the teaching, like the educational side of things.

Like if somebody is not very familiar, like a novice is in the gym and you're working back, you're working shoulders or something, and they're like, I don't really necessarily feel it. I think that if you force somebody to do like 21s back in the day, we would do those all the time because you can really feel the burn. You're like, oh, that's the stimulus that I'm supposed to feel. Whereas, you know, everybody else, they can just go and do the full range of motion, still get that same stimulus or that same burn. somebody that's newer, I think it's a really good teaching tool to help get them to be like, look, this is what you're supposed to feel because you can kind of get them there a little bit quicker at times because you're really just, you're keeping the time under tension and you're keeping those reps really quick to where they can get kind of like a solid burnout. One thing I want to share before we go on to the next thing is on these topics, if you really like these things, don't let us disrupt what you enjoy. You know, if you really, really like it, then really, really do it. It just might be a good idea to have in the back of your head that there's always another side of the story.

And then a lot of times the answer lies in the middle. What else you got, Andrew? Over, under, on stretching. Hmm. under on stretching. Mmm. Mmm. I would know that. I'm going underrated. Bias, baby. I love this bias.

I'll kick this off by just simply saying I think that a lot of people that like to lift, they don't love to spend the time to stretch. A lot of people. And then there's different ideas about stretching like some people are like well i do more like range of motion stuff or i do more

mobility stuff than i do like actual stretching um but just in my own experience i mean i've been somebody that has been dealing with leg cramps for as long as i can remember from the time I played football when I was a little kid whether it was track or even power lifting I'd end up getting like leg cramps a lot of times in the middle of the night and I'm always trying to hydrate always trying to do all these things and ultimately it's the area is not used to whatever the movements are that I'm doing whether it be running or squatting I'm really challenging these muscles and they would just get super tight. So they would, they would get stretched from the exercise I was doing. And then at night they would, you know, start to tighten back up. And that's a lot of times when I would get uncomfortable and get a cramp. It's almost

like a toe cramp. You do some stretches on the floor, you go swimming or something like that, and you get a weird toe cramp. Those kinds of cramps aren't necessary, like a hydration issue. It's usually the fact that your body's not used to some of these positions or activities that you're doing. So I did a lot of stretching for me. Anyway, I did a lot of stretching periodically throughout the day going into the Boston marathon. I even stretched during the marathon and now I'm stretching periodically throughout the day. I don't do a lot of different stretches. I need to actually start to stretch my upper body. It's mainly all lower body stuff.

But I didn't have one cramp. I didn't have one symptom of a cramp during those 26 miles. I didn't have one cramp after. I didn't have one cramp before. So I'm a big proponent, and I'm convinced that it can be really helpful. Yeah, there's so many different types of stretching you guys should go check out Human Garage we did an episode with Human Garage and all of their

fascial maneuvers or fascial stretching is free and I mean there's a lot of stuff they post that I'm just like it's kind of weird kind of odd I don't know if I buy it but if you go to their page and you go look at some of their because again all their maneuvers are free and you actually go try some of those things, you'll find afterwards if you feel tightness in a certain area, it might have gone away, right? There's passive stretching, right, which a lot of people think is useless.

There's active stretching. But the thing is stretching is one of those things that I feel as if some people think that if you're not flexible, you're just never going to be flexible. And a lot of individuals that like, let's say they only focus on strength training or they've gotten really far in strength training. There are people who are like, yeah, stretching is going to be that great for you. You don't need to do it. It's going to make you weaker. And the thing is, is like, yeah, you don't maybe need to be that flexible to do a conventional deadlift or deadlift or a bench or a squat. But when you actually start to do other things outside of just in the strength world of those movements,

you're going to find that maybe your lack of mobility in certain areas limits you. Like if you went to go try starting out some sprinting or you went to go do some jujitsu, or even if you wanted to go try some yoga. And one thing is like, I find that because I've been doing jujitsu for seven years, I've found a lot of people say, oh, you're super flexible. And it's something that I've worked on. And it's something that's played in really well to the way that I do that sport. It's an advantage for me because of that flexibility that I've managed to train. Because now when I get in those positions that would injure somebody else, my body is comfortable being there. There are certain areas in jujitsu where like you'll get into a split position where your legs

are all the way out or your arm is going to be all the way back here or your arm is going to be in front of your face. And if I was really tight, I would be in so much pain or I'd be tapping to certain things. But since my body can move in those ranges, I feel safe and my body is safe. my body can move in those ranges, I feel safe and my body is safe. So that's why I think like, okay, for daily life, even daily life, if you trip and you fall, you land in a weird position. If your body is safe, getting into that position, you feel comfortable enough, you might not pull something. You might not tear something. We actually talked about this topic with Kelly Sturette and Julia Sturette when they came on the podcast. They mentioned the same things. It allows you to be safe in those ranges of motion that typically would cause you injury.

So when people say like people like to get on the bag of like, oh, stretching doesn't prevent injury. It can if it allows you to be able to be safe in those ranges of motion that you typically aren't safe in. So I think it's underrated and it's good to take, maybe take some time to stretch a little bit. Who's your friend that's doing Pilates? Ryan Doris. If you type in the Natty pro on Instagram, he looks great doing that. Yeah. I'm like, man, I want to try that. My guy's doing reformer Pilates, you know? Um, and how cool, like how cool to be open-minded for that. And I know that Joe Rogan's

talked a lot about yoga and there's been people that talk bad about yoga. But, you know, if you can get a practice, I guess you kind of think of things this way. Like one of the huge benefits of something like stretching is it puts you into the present moment, you know, and it puts you into having a practice where hopefully you're away from your phone for a few minutes and you're just concentrated on yourself.

So it's meditative as well. But if you look at some of these clips of Ryan, you said, right? Yeah. Ryan, some of these clips of Ryan doing some of these drills. I mean,

it looks like it's, would be super beneficial for anybody. Yeah. Go, go to like something where you see him on the reformer. Cause like, and you can, yeah,

that's the reformer. Yeah. Oh, okay. And there's other stuff that he does with his legs but like oh yeah that's gotta be like it some of this stuff it looks pretty easy but at the same time you're like no that's a trick that's gonna be fucking hard as hell and i'd say ryan is a guy who like he has very uh his posts when he talks about these things are very information dense because he goes deep he's

been a pro natural bodybuilder for years. And then when he started Pilates, he was like, you know what? I want to dive in deep. So he's actually gotten multiple certifications within Pilates too. And as a bodybuilder who has, this man has supreme,

my muscle connection. Like he, he's an amazing, he's amazing bodybuilder, amazing poser. He's like, God, like the,

the amount of muscle activation I get doing different things within Pilates. It's crazy. So with the guy with that type of experience, he's like god like the amount of muscle activation i get doing different things within pilates it's crazy so if the guy with that type of experience is like damn this pilates stuff it has a place i'm like damn dude good for you i gotta i really want to try it out have you guys done yoga before i've done yoga yeah and you're once or twice like yeah nothing too crazy though so i mean i don't know what your experiences were, but you know, you, you lay down on a mat, you know, it's dark. You get to just chill the fuck out for a little while. So, you know, choose your yoga wisely because there's like different classes. Sometimes they're like working out, working out.

Other times you can kind of do something that's a little bit more relaxing. But I found it to be, aside from the stretching thing, it's just an opportunity to calm down and meditate. So even if you're just stretching on your own, you can kind of think of it as a meditative practice as well. Yeah, I passed out when I did it. I fell asleep. There you go. That's great. I was really deep into it. But yeah, real quick with stretching, I mean, it essentially saved my life.

Like with my back pain and stuff i started following the stuff from goda and um it it totally just like suppressed the pain you know and now i take to get out of pain you know i've been doing a lot more stuff but like it totally changed and i still do it every day every day i touch the mat i run through all my go to stretches and then i you know start uh start the jujitsu wing some of the new people don't know what he's talking about. G-O-A-T-A. We also did a podcast with them, Greatest of All Time Athletes.

Yeah, check that out too. And that's the stretching I've been doing. I've been doing the bolt, and I've been doing the child rockers, and the pigeon-type thing that they do on the ground. I've been doing a bunch of that kind of stuff. Thank you. Power Project family, your normal shoes are making you weak. This is why I partnered with Vivo Barefoot Shoes because they have a wide toe box, they're flat,

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functional training i'm surprised okay well how do you when you when you think of the term functional training what do you think about mark i just don't really like the word functional because uh i i think that a lot of times what's labeled as not functional is like bodybuilding yes and i'm like okay i'm like bodybuilding is yeah it seems pretty functional to me i don't really think that there's you know look at knees over toes right that was a function that we weren't supposed to do we weren't supposed to have the knee go over the toe you're gonna get hurt you're gonna tear to tear your ACL or whatever. So I think a lot of times these movements that we do in the gym, somewhere along the lines, people examine some of them and they said, these are really good,

like do these, but these are all really bad. And I do believe that, you know, if you're trying to produce as much force as possible by swinging a baseball bat or by shooting a goal like in hockey, doing, you know, sprinting, like doing certain things like you're going to have to follow some of the rules. You're going to have to follow some sort of protocol. But I don't even really believe that there's any non-functional movements. Like somebody show me one. Show me a movement that you think is like non-functional and let's try to break it down. No matter how obscure or weird it would be,

even if you were twisting, if you were to pick up a barbell and you twisted as a form of deadlift, the way the guy did in a family guy, I would be like, well, if you just did it with lighter weights, I don't, it's to me,

it has some function. So yeah, I don't, to me, it has some function. So, yeah, I don't really like the word functional. Yeah, like that's exactly it. When people kind of think of functional training, when they're talking about functional training, they're like, oh, a bicep curl isn't functional because you're not usually going to do something like that with your bicep outside or whatever. It doesn't make any sense. But just because you're getting stronger in certain areas when you do things within bodybuilding doesn't mean that you can't move well. The one reason why people reference bodybuilders whenever they think of that's not functional is because a lot of people that maybe do bodybuilding don't do anything else. That's kind of all they might do.

That's all they might do. So these motions, these motions, this motion. And then now you're kind of here and you have a hard time bending down and doing all this type of stuff. But when someone uses bodybuilding in concordance with like let's say they still do things like maybe they run every now and then or they do things that allow them to express a bigger range of motion, those people move really well. But they're just jacked now. You can't tell me they're not functional, right? But they're just jacked now. You can't tell me they're not functional, right?

So I think that like, for example, functional patterns is great. But there's an aspect of like it's this and nothing else. And I don't necessarily buy that because I know people and myself included that do quite a few things. And there's nothing non-functional about the way you can move as long as you have other things that allow you to express your body in different ways. Yeah, Jimmy House looks pretty fucking jacked. You look pretty damn jacked. You can move and you guys can do jiu-jitsu. Yeah, Jimmy's always like lifting.

That guy's on it all the time, man. He's in Austin, Texas now. He trains with – I think he's training with the Donaher guys. Good for him. That's awesome. Yeah. I mean I can't add anything to it. You guys crushed it on that one. All right, so next fitness-y topic, running slash cardio.

What do you guys got? Perfectly rated for insulin. Perfectly. Pee as well. Pee all around. Damn it, I want us to have some opposite viewpoints on this. And just start getting real mad at each other. You're wrong. damn it, I want us to have some opposite viewpoints on this. And just start getting real mad at each other. I think the reason why I say this is because there's a lot of people that kind of opened up the doors on this, right,

to show people that there's a lot of hybrid athletes. I think Steffi Cohen, I think her and her husband at the time, Hayden, they kind of put that name forward, hybrid, and they helped create a lot of hybrid people that were not only powerlifting, but were also like Olympic lifting. And then more recently, we started to see people that like weren't just doing variations of lifting. They were doing other sports. And now how many fitness people are in jujitsu? How many fitness people do we see that are like running? It seems like there's a lot of good diversity and you got Nick bear,

someone like myself, I did power lifting, bodybuilding, and now I've been running. So you're starting to see some good variation and the runners are starting to learn the importance of lifting. It seemed like they started learning that probably a while back. I think CrossFit has played into this quite a bit too because of the engine and the motor that those people have.

And, you know, one of the CrossFit kind of monikers was, you know, show me someone that can squat 600 pounds and I'll show you someone that can't run a six minute mile and so forth. Right. So you try to now, now we've seen people squat i think i've seen people squat 500 pounds and run five minute miles that one dude that works with nick bear don't have his name in my head at the moment but he young kid right yeah nathan french nathan well nathan french has like done some wild stuff but he doesn't squat 500 pounds but he does bench like 405 and he's an animal there's the other guy that works with nick. But yeah, he's squatted 500 pounds. And I want to say immediately after ran a five minute, something, it's just absurd.

You're like, what the fuck? So we're seeing that. And even within our own gym, Wild Hunt Conditioning, he ran 50 miles and deadlifted 520 pounds in the same day. James. James Pierrat, yeah. Running has been something that people have been doing for for a long time outside of like the fitness industry and even within it but like you see so many people doing multiple modalities now and it's not the fact is it's just because you do running um or just because you do jujitsu doesn't mean you're going to be sacrificing a lot of muscle it's all it's it's about how you deal with these things right you've been running for a while and you're still 230 i've been do jujitsu doesn't mean you're going to be sacrificing a lot of muscle. It's all, it's, it's about how you deal with these things, right? You've been running for a while and you're

still 230. I've been doing jujitsu for a long time. I'm still 250 and my body feels better than ever. Right. So, um, this, and we also know that a better engine can also help you gain more muscle in the long run because you're going to be able to, you know, you're going to be able to do more in the gym cause you're more fit. So if anything, a bit of running or whatever cardio you choose can help you get bigger if you're trying to get bigger. I think you said something that's really important. I think all three of us, minus a little bump or bruise here and there, I think all three of us feel better than we've ever felt before. Yeah, 100%. Pretty wild.

Especially like you just started jujitsu. Yeah, 100%. Which is pretty wild, especially like you just started jujitsu. I mean, I know it took you a while to like start to feel a little bit better because it beats the fuck out of you. Yeah. But that's, I think that's pretty remarkable. It's not like we're getting younger, but we feel younger. We feel better. Yeah, I haven't felt this good for, man, over a decade.

Like I feel great right now. So I'm going to actually say underrated only because from my point of view and because I'm late to the party, I've never done cardio this on a, like if you consider jujitsu cardio, I've never done cardio on a regular basis for this long. And it's only been a little bit over six months, right? Where I'm doing it multiple times a week. But because of that, like I can eat so much more and like I don't gain weight. The physique changes are happening like without trying, which is like amazing. Right.

I'm doing a thing that I love to do. I'm getting a ridiculous sweat going. And yes, I am burning out multiple muscles. But at the end of the mat session, it's a cardio session. And I'm doing that for two hours, three times a week. Cardio stretch session with some strength involved too, right? Yeah. Yeah. All of the above. And so, like I said, I feel like I'm late to the party because before it was like, oh, if I'm going to try to cut weight, I'm going to get on a

Stairmaster and do that for a little bit. But it was never running. It was never, I mean, I would walk too, but it was never to this intense level of intensity. So I'm going to say underrated because I just think all the things that I was like trying to, I guess, find a loophole for like with my physique and stuff, like all I had to do is just a little bit more cardio. Yeah. You know, that was the answer. Instead, I was like trying to like hack things and like check my macros and all this shit,

which we'll probably talk about in a little bit. All I had to do is just a little bit more cardio. Underrated or overrated jiu-jitsu? I'm going to go here. I'm going underrated. I just think it's, you know, I would imagine that people, I know that people that watch this show sometimes get annoyed because we talk about it.

I love jiu-jitsu. We get paid by jiu-jitsu every time we mention it. I've been following jiu-jitsu stuff for paid by jujitsu every time i mention it i've been following jujitsu stuff for a long time i love the ufc i just am not a participant participant at the moment but i will be at some point but i i still think it's always amazing um i was watching a video the other day of joe rogan he's just having a conversation with somebody and i think it got like a little tense but i was just looking at the way he was standing and this is a long time ago. He was still so calm, just the way he was standing. And I'm like, that's a really cool thing. Like, of course he's going to stand that

way. He could kick harder than almost anybody in the history of the world. So he's pretty confident that if something's to go down, then he has the capacity for that. So I think people being able to protect themselves and you still never know. You still never know who the fuck you're dealing with. You never know how many other people are around. So it's the streets and you don't know what the fuck is going to happen. But it must feel good to know that, hey, look, I'm pretty – at least I think I'm pretty safe. I can handle myself and I can get out of this situation if I need to.

Yeah, man. I know you guys hear us talk about it a lot and a lot of people talk about jujitsu, but I still think it's somewhat underrated because of all of the benefits outside of just obviously maybe being able to defend yourself. It gives you, um, in the gym, you're doing certain movements, but in jujitsu, you're now working against the weight of somebody else. Your body's doing all these variable things that you, you can't can't necessarily – you're not calculating, right? In a squat, you know what you're about to do. In a clean, you know what you're going to be doing. In jiu-jitsu, because you're dealing with another person now, you have to have – you have to train reflexes.

Your reflexes are getting better because now you're acting based upon somebody else, not just based upon an object. So over time, that's a big deal. That's something that you usually don't get with any other workout type of stuff that you do. And then like the bodily gains, the flexibility gains that you get over time, because you're probably going to be moving better. And I see people that are 60, 70, 80 years old still doing it. I really do think it's like a cool lifelong practice that people will be able to do along with anything else they choose to do the uh the the community aspect of it too i mean like i i have some like they're like my best friends now right like we're always sending

like a bunch of dick jokes to each other and stuff like that like you can send those our way no we do yeah our our text thread can't get out but um so so there's that aspect right there's like the community side of it but then i forgot what podcast it was somebody sent me like a reel on instagram and it was they were asking each other like what percentage of the population do you think trains jujitsu and they're like fuck like one percent like shit maybe less than that it's like okay let's go with one percent like okay now out of that one percent like so that means like if you're the one guy out of like a hundred people you can kind of control almost anybody if you needed to and just like damn that's a crazy like thought you know like wow like you know we could be like that very minimal

one percent of one percenters just because we you, are somewhat proficient at jiu-jitsu. And most don't make it to blue belt. That's the thing. Like a lot of people may start, but because of how frustrating it is to be a white belt, most people don't make it to blue. So just make it a blue when you're good, homie. And just wear your belt when you're out.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, tie that shit around you. Yeah, you got to wear all the apparel. I'd be like, I'm walking on the other side of the street. That's got a purple belt on, man. I'm going to go to the other side of the street. That's got a purple belt on. I'm going to go

to the other side of the street. Did you guys watch The Office? I've watched The Office a lot. Do you remember the episode where Dwight had his purple belt in whatever? He was like, walking around the office,

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where I asked both of them and they had their takes on it and everything. Dietary cholesterol versus the cholesterol in your body versus what are real concerns for your heart. And it doesn't appear that there's a lot of evidence showing that cholesterol is necessarily bad for your heart. It matters what kind of cholesterol. And even when you break down LDL, HDL, you have to go in in a deeper dive and get other tests done

to see what the particle sizes of those are. So it's complicated in a lot of ways. Unfortunately, it does make sense to try to have the best health practices you can for all of your organs, but especially your heart. But I think that people are applying, they think that because their doctor said that they have high, bad cholesterol, that they're in some really compromised position. Or that they need to just stop eating fat. They need to stop eating fat. They need to stop eating red meat. They need to stop eating eggs, things that have cholesterol in it. In my opinion, that's just not the case. Yeah. The reason why I said perfectly rated is because now, like within these past five years, there are many people who are the opposite voice on cholesterol. They're not saying it's something that you don't need to pay attention to, but they're saying

you might want to pay attention to this for different reasons or do different things as far as your cholesterol is concerned got gabriel line sean baker saladino uh what's his name that was just on the podcast chaffee chop anthony chaffee created chaffles yeah yeah like there's a lot of people who are like now coming about it and giving you different information on it so it's like it's being evened out so that's why i said perfectly rated but yeah yeah uh i think think it's just a lot of, I guess, confusion still. Like, oh, my cholesterol is high and I can't eat more cholesterol. Like I don't personally don't know how it works.

I don't think it works that way. Like if I drank testosterone, does that mean my testosterone level is going to go up? Again, don't know if that actually would happen, but I would imagine that's probably not the best route to take. Uh, again, don't know if that actually would happen, but I would imagine that's probably not the best route to take. Uh, so with cholesterol, like with eggs being high in cholesterol, whatever high means, I don't think that's really going to affect my cholesterol. And by the way, my cholesterol is like a little bit high, but it's again, but what does that even mean though?

Like it was high on this day that I probably ate 10 eggs. Um, but does that mean that the 10 eggs caused it? And then if I go test within an hour, is it still going to be high? It changes a lot. And then it's high because of this scale. Now, is that scale high or low? What's the scale for? What does it even mean?

It's usually so you can get prescribed stuff. It might be conveniently rated so that way you get prescribed something. So I think maybe misinformation is not the correct word. I just think we kind of don't know what the hell we're doing. And, yeah, so, again, I feel like it's overrated. And that's coming from somebody whose dad supposedly had high cholesterol and had to get like a triple heart bypass surgery. And the doctor said it's because you naturally produce a lot of cholesterol.

And again, I don't know what the hell that even means. You know, like. It's actually a good thing. It's like helpful for your vitamin D levels. It's helpful for your testosterone levels as well. Exactly. So there's a lot of benefits to cholesterol. I would also just say when people

have unhealthy practices, most of the unhealthy practices, they're all kind of in the same gamut or same realm. And it usually means that people are eating processed foods and it's hard to stop eating processed foods and people tend to overeat. So if you're overeating, you're not sleeping well, your blood pressure's high, there really is a lot of concern around your cholesterol and other health markers of your heart. And you need to work on starting to obtain better habits. And that's the other thing. We always bring it back to this, like, who was this study done on? Was it done on people like Enzima? Like, probably not, because he's one of a kind. But like, so for my- we do need

to run some tests on that motherfucker yeah let's figure let's figure this thing out over here let's dissect this my blood work from eric's coming back soon i'm curious yeah but what i was getting at is like is my cholesterol high for somebody that sits on the couch all day or is it fairly normal for somebody who's active so right what we got we got next? We got keto, overrated, underrated. Hmm. Yeah. What do you guys think? That's a tough one.

That's a tough one. Mark says underrated, and Seema's thinking about it. I will say underrated. Perfect. Okay. I like it. What you got in, Seema? No, you first.

You got it perfectly rated. I think keto. So, like, all these diets go through their waves, and keto has had a big wave. perfect okay i like it what you got in semen no you first you got it perfectly i think so like all these diets go through their waves and keto has had a big wave and it's like now you have these keto options in stores you have keto options in costco and popular like people know what the ketogenic diet is even my mom has tried and done keto my aunt who doesn't pay attention to anything as far as the fitness industry is like done keto, uh, and has utilized it. So, uh, I think it's perfectly rated because people, a lot of people see that you can do it. Some people try to perpetually stay in ketosis and maybe they go a little bit far down there. But, um, I think, I think it's, it's, it's,

people know about it at this point. It's not something that's necessarily seen as, Oh, keto is bad because people used to think keto is bad and it's not something you should do. So I think keto, you know, it went up on like a rise for a while. I think it was like the most searched thing on the internet for maybe like a year or two, a couple of years back. Um,

but I also think the, the properties of what a ketogenic diet does I think are still underrated. A ketogenic diet – and someone will probably clip this, but a ketogenic diet mimics fasting. That's one of the beauties of it. And so there's a lot of people that will go to war about fasting and talk about how great fasting is, but then they'll also talk about how stupid they think keto is. And in my opinion, fasting and keto are kind of intertwined. And I actually think that you don't necessarily, I know like there's a clinical ketogenic diet where you're on some crazy amounts of fat. I don't necessarily agree a ton with that where it's a one-to-one ratio of fat to protein. So you have

one gram of fat per every gram of protein-ish that you eat is what's going to keep you in a ketogenic state. That is a little bit of a weird diet. It's a little bit hard to follow. And if you're someone that exercises once a day or twice a day, it's really hard to subscribe to unless you're going to use fasting as well. Because it's just disgusting to like eat like eggs and bacon and try to go train. It just takes too long to digest all that stuff. So you'd have to eat that later in the day, which is fine. And that can be beneficial.

But yeah, I hear the ketogenic diet still getting bashed. Uh, yeah, I, I hear, I hear the ketogenic diet still getting bashed and I still utilize principles of a ketogenic diet, which this might sound a little foreign or weird to people, but I still do keto like every day. Now, typically you would, you would, uh, push keto into like, it's this like every day for at least a week or two, you're not eating any carbohydrates. I don't actually do that, but I still have ketogenic meals. So I'll have like the last meal of the day a lot of times is ketogenic for me, and the first meal of the day is ketogenic for me, which the reason why I'm doing that is to continue my fast and continue with fasting. I think you'll see more information if you listen to like Walter Longo and some of these guys that do a lot of research on fasting and intermittent fasting, you're going to see that I think there'll be more and more evidence that this is actually a

pretty good way of doing things. And so in my opinion, I still think that ketogenic diets, I think are incredible. I mean, the fact that they can solve certain things for certain people that have diseases or have seizures and stuff like to me, I'm like, man, there's some kids out there that have these really violent seizures and the seizures are so bad. Sometimes kids will,

you can die from it. Sometimes kids will get brain damage from it. But like, what is it about the ketogenic diet and producing these ketones that like offsets that and calm some of these people down? That is really some fascinating stuff. Dominic D'Agostino has done such a good job researching the ketogenic diet. And I'm a fan. So of course I'm going to be preaching about it, but I've always, I've always liked it. I do think real quick that keto and going like a lower carbohydrate can be super beneficial for a majority of people that are used

to eating a lot of carbs. Yeah. You went a lot lower carb over the years, right? Absolutely. Like, I mean, when I was focused on bodybuilding, like I was under the impression that I have to eat 400 grams of carbs, et cetera, to be able to perform. And that was something that I did for a long time. And then I was like, you know what, let me try low carb. Let me try keto. Let me see how my body feels. It took me a little bit to get used to it. But then when I did get used to it and I brought a little bit of carbohydrates back, I'm like, I don't need that many carbohydrates to be able to perform. So I do think it could help people maybe lose a little bit of their high carbohydrate dependence or the feeling of

needing excessive carbohydrates to have high performance in the gym or in sport. Something just something you might want to try out. Yeah. I'll just quickly say I think it's underrated because a Flying Dutchman can technically be keto and can order a bunch of those and still be in an Alburger. Yeah. Ketogenic diet. All right.

Anyway, moving forward. Next, the carnivore diet. Overrated, underrated, perfectly rated overrated from enzima i'm trying not to have an upside down whoa you think it's over here too this is interesting uh just in a sense that like i think similarly to the ketogenic diet i don't think you have to prescribe to something yeah and and stuff yourself into this box now if you're somebody that's obese and really struggle with your diet for a long time maybe you do have to have like really really hard lines yeah joe sullivan on our show he mentioned uh once you know the rules then you can break them so once you know

the rules of dieting then you can kind of flirt with some other things and you can go off plan here and there safely and not have any problems. But I think being like super carnivore and being like against vegetables, I think is, I think it's still too far. And I personally, you know, after doing a hundred days of a carnivore diet, didn't notice any residual extra benefits from being like more carnivore versus being slightly less carnivore yeah still a huge portion of my diet is through proteins and fats that are animal-based um i mean if somebody that uh ate like a normal-ish diet hung out with me for a while they'd be like this is kind of crazy how much like meat and yeah, how much meat this guy eats, like gobbling meat all day long.

Exactly. Sucking it down. So yeah, I still kind of subscribe to some of it, but I still think that it's overrated in the sense like there's people that probably believe there's people probably right now on a carnivore diet that believe that they're going to exponentially get leaner and lose more weight the harder that they carnivore. Yeah, Doug. Like the plants trying to kill you. Right. Or like the apples.

I mean, that apple will turn into 10. Like, nah, chill out. You know, one thing is if you have autoimmune issues or if you do have some like maybe gut issues a lot of people that the carnivore diet is super helpful skin issues because you're eliminating a majority of things right but then let's just remember you can add certain things back to see if is this actually a problem for me or is this a problem for me so it is super beneficial but there are some people who like i mean some people are like it is the optimal human diet we were only made to eat meat and anything else is like chill the fuck out eat some apples

dog or if it's not a big deal to eat fruit i eat fruit every day now and i love it and it's not i'm not binging on fruit i eat some i feel full i'm good you remember the lady we had a podcast where someone would like overeat peaches i'm like damn it was it wasn't that it was just that one peach could lead to two could lead to donuts or some shit like yo it's like i don't think it's quite that bad yo yeah like that peach i do love that but i don't know avoiding fruit just seems kind of odd i mean it's a little extreme i think yeah yeah man it's i know some people be like the fruit now is not the same as the fruit we – but it's like still though. Yeah, yeah.

It's fruit. It seems disappointing, like the old fruit. It's like a little tiny thing. It's like probably didn't have much flavor. Probably kind of sucked. Yeah, probably sucked. Yeah, I would say I just overrated real quick just because everything you guys just said, but also it gave me the shits and I didn't like that. And it just wasn't a fun diet for me. So that's, that's all I'm going to say on that. Again, though, like all of us have mentioned this, but like it is good to try some of these things out because there are some days and I think this might be the same for you too,

but there are some days where I don't eat any carbs. There's some days where I'm carnivore because I just don't feel like eating carbs that day. So again, all of these diets are fucking tools in your tool belt that you can pull from anytime. I agree. Yeah. Speaking of tools, fastingrated underrated perfectly rated underrated bias yeah yeah we're all trying to figure out my papers over here it's i only have two of them but the p is perfectly rated i know know. Yeah, fasting I think is a great practice.

Again, I think that unfortunately when the information gets out on these things, that the information gets like carried around. And we're not sure sometimes whether someone's talking about like they're going to fast for a full day or if they're using intermittent fasting. Sometimes we're not really sure. There's people that use different words to describe it. I would also just kind of say that there's some people that talk about like eating in a particular like window, a window of time. I do think a window of time. Now, you got to be careful with your mindset around that. Like, I don't think it's a good idea to think to yourself, oh, I'm going to eat for 12 hours. Like that's a lot of hours of eating.

However, there's a lot of great research. And if you listen to Huberman, he had some great guests on. He had Sachin Panda on, and that's an amazing podcast. And basically what he boiled it down to, Sachin Panda, who researches this more than anybody pretty much in the history of the world he came to realize like 12 and 12 is good so 12 hours of eating 12 hours of not eating how reasonable is that like a you could have you can have your child do that your seven-year-old kid do that uh and it's not gonna um do anything

negative to them and so i think that uh, even though there's a lot of great information on it out there, I still kind of think in a lot of ways, it's still underrated because I think that people maybe don't realize that there's so many different ways to use it. Like you could work out at eight in the morning and then you could eat at around 10, fuel up, feel really good. And then you could fast until 5 or 6 p.m. Like that's a form of fasting. Just because you ate, you had a break fast, you had something that broke your fast for a little bit, doesn't mean that you're not fasting.

Anytime you're not eating, you're fasting. And so I think that you can fast whatever ways you'd like. You know, the thing I really love about fasting is what it can cause in terms of your habit change long-term. Fasting isn't magic. You know, a lot of things still come down to, you know, eating a certain amount of calories. It's not like, you know, you can eat 5,000 calories, but because it was in your eight hour eating window, that's going to act differently. No, but I was a person who could eat so, and I still can eat so much food. And every single day I'd wake up and be like, oh, I got to

eat. A few hours later, I needed my snack. A few hours later, I needed another meal. I needed a snack, right? And it was whenever I would go on a diet and get ready for a bodybuilding show or something, whenever I'd eat smaller amounts of food, I would feel horrible. It would piss you off. It would piss me off being a deficit of calories. When I started fasting, it was still frustrating. But over time, I would maybe fast until 4 p.m. and then eat from 4 p.m. to 10 p.m. or whatever. So my eating window would be that.

Very frustrating initially. But then I got used to not eating for a period of time. And then that just became like, huh, wow, I've gone 20 hours today. I'm not saying you should do a 20 hour fast, but like over time I was like, I wasn't annoyed at being hungry. And I think what fasting does for many people who give it the chance is it allows them to be okay with hunger. And it's not something that you had to act on all the time. So now, like, I don't fast every day. And I don't fast 20 hours every single day or anything like that. But when I'm not eating, I'm not fiending for food,

which is part of the reason why now I'm able to stay lean so easily. Like, I'm on a deficit on some days. I'm eating more on some days. Because my habit of eating when I feel a little bit hungry is gone. I think that's the big thing I can trust. It changes the way you look at hunger and food. It allows you to take away some calories just way easier than other eating protocols. Yeah. And that's not magic, but like that, that, that changes you and your response to those things. Like if we just took away like 800 calories from you,

but you ate in the morning and you were going to be hungry and distracted throughout the day kind of, right? Oh yeah. If I was eating all day long. Yeah. Usually after I have my first meal, I'm usually thinking about food a little bit later, but now like, no, I could take away 800 calories. I could, I could shred down very easily just because I'm eating more food in a certain period of time and I'm okay in those periods of times where I haven't eaten, right?

Again, this is coming from someone who used to eat all the time. I was 270, bro, right? So again, a lot of people, like I know, I think Jeff Nippert and Lane were like, it's overrated. I totally disagree. And this is, again, I'm from Nippert and Lane were like, it's overrated. I totally disagree. And this is, again, I'm from the bodybuilding background where you got to build as much muscle as possible. And I still think you can build good. I mean, they've shown like 16-8, I think the 16-hour fasting, 8-hour eating really doesn't have a difference versus eating all day long, right? So 12-12, same type of deal. Not that big of a deal by not eating, but it can change your habits.

Sorry for going on so long. No, no, no. That's great. My camera just died. But I just would agree on the habit side really quick because for me personally, so it's habits and it taught me how to like eat proper food. So instead of going throughout the entire day, my camera's back, of like, oh, let me like picture office setting where somebody's like oh i'm gonna go to the vending machine and get some doritos and shit it's like well now your taste buds are fried so of course when you leave work you don't want to go home and cook normal food you want to hit the

drive-thru so what it did for me was it taught me how to be hungry for the right things so it taught me how to be okay with hunger and it taught me how to be okay with eating the right foods and so now it's like i will do the two meals a day where it's a big, you know, eight eggs for breakfast and then big steak when I get home. But that's all I eat throughout the entire day. I might have a protein bar here and there. I'll have a protein shake maybe after dinner. But just eating those two things. So I call it a split fast.

It's not really a split fast, but that's just what I call it. And so that's been working. But like today, I went and trained jujjitsu moved around in the gym a tiny bit and i haven't eaten today and i kind of forgot i thought i did eat so i'm feeling fine and now i thought about it i'm like oh i am hungry like no i'm okay and that that hunger went away already so like i might just kind of keep this going throughout the day until i get home i just want to make sure i get enough energy in for jiu-jitsu tomorrow, so we'll see where I end up.

But, yeah, no, it's great. There's so many ways to simply utilize fasting. I mean, somebody could just not eat for a day, which sounds like a lot, but also for a particular person that maybe has struggled before, that might wipe out 3,000 calories, right? That might wipe out 3,000 calories, right? That might wipe out 3,000 calories for that day. And I'm not saying, you know, to, you have, the key with fasting is you have to pretend

that it never happened. So you did just get robbed of 3,000 calories. It's not time to double down and make sure you get those calories back. But if you just resume to normal eating, I think Greg Glassman was telling me he started eating every other day for a while and he just eats normal like he has you know tacos and burritos and he eats other

types of foods and it's like there's a lot of interesting protocols it just gives you a lot of options and help you to uh really hone in your hunger got it what's up paraproject family it's time to stop dressing like you're a fucking preschooler and step your game up by checking out viore clothing now i'm not one to talk i wear a freaking pink hat that has a dog on it but at the end of the day at least my shirt and shorts are popping so head to viore because they have great stuff for your top and your bottom andrew how can they get it yes you guys got to head over to viore.com slash power project that's v-u-o-r-i dot com slash power project and you guys will automatically receive 20 off your order links

to them down in the description as well as the podcast show notes let's get back to the podcast all right cool next one uh tracking your macros slash if it fits your macros what are you guys thinking underrated under way to go marky moo wow that's actually very interesting. I was expecting you to say it. Me too. Go for it. What's up? Well, I think, look, the country is very, very fat. We have a really hard time of not only losing weight, but even a harder time trying to keep the weight off. Yeah, yeah. the weight off. And I think that maybe sometimes people will try a little bit of diet, a little bit of habit stuff, and they might lose 20 pounds. I mean, we know a lot of people that lost 20 pounds just to gain it back. People lose 20, 30 pounds, sometimes gain back 40 or 50. And it's a real, it's a real mess. And if somebody was to simply track their calories and to pay attention to that, they would probably start to really learn, OK, this is the actual problem.

I'm consuming – maybe I'm consuming the wrong foods and that's leading me to overeat. So I need to kind of examine that. And these efforts that I have where I get all excited to put more time in the gym, I'm really just spinning my wheels because I still am not developing the habits in the kitchen. And the same goes for people that are practicing, like people that are getting into like TRT and any of these other kinds of things. If you don't have your habits, there's still no fast track to getting the body that you want. So tracking your calories, I think, is an education opportunity. I don't really love the fact that I don't really love the idea of like tracking forever. However, tracking for a little while and learning how much you eat and starting to get your macros correct with your proteins, fats and carbs, whatever you decide on that i think it's really important and i think it's a i guess like what's changed for me over the years is the fact that i

didn't really realize how much tracking i was doing just because i didn't write it down i was like i think tracking is dumb and i still think it's dumb to a certain extent but i'm tracking everything all the time i'm tracking you know even just to have this water today. I'm like, should I put some hydration in there? And I was like, I had some earlier. I'm good. I track everything all day long. So I think tracking in its traditional sense of writing stuff down or using an app can be really beneficial for somebody. It brings you awareness, you know, it brings your awareness to actually what's going into your mouth because you might not think, you know that you had or that bag of chips or whatever, the nuts that you had, you might not think it adds up so much since you were just snacking on it. But if you actually track it, you realize, whoa, that was 1,300 total calories just from those snacks.

So it brings you a level of awareness to what's going in your mouth during the day. And then, yeah, it's not something you need to do forever because as you get used to it over time, you know, you want to get to a point where you are now using the signals of your body to tell you when not to eat. For example, not tracking, right? Or like you are intuitively tracking because I know when I eat something like caramel corn, right? Or processed carbohydrates, I know that I'm not going to get, I personally know I'm not going to get the signal to stop eating this. I know that like I can eat two bags of this and not feel full because that's the way it was made. So I'm very aware of like, okay, eat a little bit of it, put it away. Or eat some real food first so that your body has those signals of, oh, you're kind of full.

Then eat a little bit about that stuff so that you don't overdo it. I know that's with processed carbohydrates. So it's something to pay attention to when it does come to some of these foods. And you can pay attention to the signals from your body. That's a way of tracking as long as you're actually eating foods that are going to send you the right signals, that are actually going to turn on leptin, which helps you know that you're full. So something to think about yeah I'd say just say it eliminates all the bullshit because if you ask somebody like oh like you know how's your diet

it's like it's pretty good but I know I could get cleaned up a little it's like well let's track and let's see how little and it's like oh shit like it was a lot more than you thought I really clean though bro yeah well like but like what do you eat though and it's like well you know i'll go to in and out and you know i'll eat pizza on fridays and it's like well shit dude if you track that like those that little bit might be like 3500 calories and then you still have your regular stuff you don't understand man i don't know what's going on i eat super clean that's what i'm saying it's like okay well what do you eat well like i eat chicken i eat vegetables and like huh all right is saying. It's like, okay, well, what do you eat? Well, like I eat

chicken, I eat vegetables and like, huh. All right. Is that it? It's like, yeah, well, let's make sure, you know, cause we've, we've had multiple people on the podcast that say they just ask their clients to track. They don't change anything, just track. And then all of a sudden they drop weight because they're like, well, shit, if I have to, if I have to put this on record that I had, you know, donuts today, then I'm just going to not have them so I don't have to admit that I did that. So it just, like I said, it eliminates the bullshit, even though I can't say that word right now. Cool. You guys good?

Good, yep. All right, here we go. People now. Uh-oh. Andrew Huberman. Huberman. I'm going to give him that pee, baby. I baby i'm gonna give him that p how do you do this yeah i'm gonna say andrew hoobman's perfectly rated man because like hoobman came in from

left field he came from left field into all this fitness stuff he wasn't someone who was lifting or whatever he just came in with some science information now i know everybody gobbles up what he says is gospel and it's i saw alan aragon post this meme of like uh there's if you can find a dog the hierarchy of like you know information it's like hooverman's at the top of it keep in mind we have jesus christ on our show and hooverman all the time but hooverman says that jesus christ is you know that's the thing i think i don't know he he seems fairly unbiased that's great yeah this hierarchy it's uh at the bottom system systematic reviews and meta-analysis blah blah blah next randomized controlled trials next short-term uh mechanistic studies on rodents and then up at the top is, well, Andrew Rubinson. Check out the Huberman clip.

Check out this Huberman clip. I think it comes at it fairly unbiased, man. I'm going to give him one of these guys. Underrated. Okay. I still think he needs to expand and grow more. I want to see him get his name out there to more people because we need help, man. People need to be healthier.

And I know the recommendations we give on this show um we give a lot of recommendations and over a period of time it can start to sound completely ridiculous when people listen to show they're like motherfucker i got a job i got three kids i got two dogs i got this i got that you gave me 25 hours of homework and i still got to get the rest of my life in there. And even while we're somewhat sensitive to that, I don't think we're sensitive enough to that. Because we're like, yeah, man, I cold plunge in the morning. And then...

Meditate for 20 minutes. And then I show up to work late after getting some sun in my eyes. And we're just... But it's because Huberman said. Yeah. my eyes and like you know we're just we have this but it's because huberman said yeah and so anyway i i think that uh having having more information out there is great because it just gives people more options he's talking about fasting he's talking about sunlight it's like um let's start to think about the things he talks about that are maybe like super harmful like even if a couple

things that he mentions or that we mentioned, maybe going to a cold plunge is a really bad experience for somebody. Maybe they get a little frostbite on their toe or something. I don't know. Like maybe it's a shitty experience in some weird way. But I think in the end, it will be a net positive. Maybe somebody fast a little too long. So we've talked about fasting on the show before.

And I know you and I have fasted a little bit. Maybe somebody passes out in the gym or something because of something that we recommended or suggested. And that's just kind of the way it goes. So I think with the good, there's always the bad, but I think Huberman in general is a giant net positive. And I think if you think,

I was thinking about this the other day, I was like, how was he able to come out of left field so hard? How was he able to accelerate so fast? And if you look at it, you know, Joe Rogan set this blueprint up of having these material experts on his show. And whenever they got into the weeds of talking about these particular topics, whether it be psilocybin mushrooms or going to Mars or whatever, or nutrition. Those are the parts of the podcast that people really loved and people really learned. And Huberman did a great job of coming in and he's,

you know, he's been studying and researching sleep. He's been studying, researching things with the eyes. He's a professor at the university of Stanford. He's super smart, has great colleagues. So I think in his mind,

he must've been like, you know what, if I start to pull some of these people in and we start to get into the granular stuff, people are going to really, really love this. You're going to really appreciate it. Maybe every once in a while, it might be a lot for people to digest. But I think people are going to really love

hearing all the science behind it. And that's where Huberman started. And now I think people are going to really love hearing all the science behind it. And that's where Huberman started. And now I think it's really cool because you're seeing him now. He's sharing his his personality more. In the beginning, he was very like, you know, my things are separate from this, you know, this and that. Now he's like, I don't like that. I don't I don't agree with that. And now I think he's really hitting his stride.

Yeah, perfectly rated. I think more Huberman's going to be good for everybody. And what I love about the information that he puts out there, although most of it, I will just be honest, I can't listen to a lot of it because it all starts zoning out. But he doesn't have that bias. He's not somebody that's out here that's like bashing the other guy like he's just putting out his really good information and i think that

shit's amazing yeah all righty here we go lane norton underrated overrated underrated underrated lane norton what do we do here let's see I would say that Lane Norton has to go into this category here we go this is the first time that we're all kind of I think different because I'll say perfectly I'll say Lane Norton's underrated because I've been listening to Lane man like when I

started learning about this fitness stuff I started training people that was who I started listening to on the evidence based side of things but even so I'm to just be real. There's a communication style of that dude where I'm like, damn. Some people are just not going to digest this because the way he puts it forward is like, ugh, so kind of asshole-ish. Like you're straight up. And I think like that kind of maybe gets in the way of people really listening to what he's saying because there are some things where he'll just be like these people are stupid zealots and i'm like that's true dog i mean come

on man so i think there's an underrated thing there just because some people may find it hard to just listen to what he's really trying to say and maybe they'll just get triggered because he he's just going after their neck but maybe we need somebody to go after somebody's neck every now and then not everyone can be kumbaya my lord and shit you know so i think he's just going after their neck. But maybe we need somebody to go after somebody's neck every now and then. Not everyone can be kumbaya, my lord, and shit, you know? So I think he's underrated. Yeah, for me, I would say overrated and not necessarily to his own fault, but to the fault of his fans. Like, whenever I make a statement or somebody else makes a statement on nutrition, like, let's find out what Lane Norton has to say about this.

And they tag him. statement on nutrition like let's find out what lane norton has to say about this and they tag him and it's probably because they appreciate him and they want to hear his kind of final say on something in particular but i've been saying this for a while i don't i don't think that nutrition science has done anything for us to help move us forward in any pot in any way and the reason why i say that is like what has changed the foods the foods that we eat to stay healthy are still the same that's true they're going to be the fucking same no matter how many studies how many tests you have no matter how many how smart somebody gets and no matter how many phds somebody has it doesn't make any difference we still need to eat the foods that

were here provided from wherever you want to believe it came from that's that's been my perspective on it the entire time and you know i don't i guess no one can really convince me otherwise i might be stubborn in that in that sense that yeah if we stick with the if we were to be able to stick to the natural foods that we have we're going to be just fine we don't need Lane Norton and we don't need anybody else really saying much else about nutrition. It's not a complicated topic. It's not a complicated subject. We don't need more studies. We need people to eat natural foods that do natural things to your body. That's right. That is true. Like if you just ate real food, you get all those signals you need to stop eating. there's just so many franken

foods out there that people a lot a lot of fit into their diet it's just tough man yeah man that's just delicious yeah yeah i was saying perfectly rated because the uh the stance that he has had has he's never never really wavered from it you know that's a good call very true you know so like um so there's that and and and. And what I really like is it's very black and white. Like, if you want to lose weight, use this technique, which, you know, he talks about tracking and that sort of thing. And it's not one of those things where it's like, well, wait, if I go on keto, do I have to get in ketosis? Do I have to do this? Can I eat chicken on a carnivore diet?

You know, like, again, that's a silly question. to get in ketosis do i have to do this can i eat chicken on a carnivore diet you know like again that's a silly question but it's just very like hey you can follow this and it's gonna work now is it gonna work long term now that's a whole nother you know conversation and that sort of thing because maybe you just you freaking hate tracking and you can't do it and drives you nuts but like i said it's just very black and white like okay you find you know even with his app you know it'll ask you a bunch of questions and then you could input information and it spits out your calories and if you just follow that it's very foolproof cool question you said that he so it's like you you didn't mean that he hasn't changed his mind on things because he has changed

his mind on certain things but that's not what you meant no no i meant like okay the the calories like the kind of the yeah yeah calories in calories out being a chlorodeficient chloroxor plus yeah yeah yeah and like i said there's just it leaves little to question and just as i mentioned uh about huberman he's a huge net positive uh you got to also keep in mind that uh him huberman there's a couple other guys they're actually out there doing the thing they They're actually out there lifting. Like Lane still looks really good. I don't know his age, but he's still strong as fuck. He's getting ready for a big competition coming up soon. He's competed at the highest level that you can compete in powerlifting.

He was in the IPF. He was a silver medalist. He's very like accomplished. And I think the information that he does have for, you have for my nephew recently is getting into the gym here. He's here at super training. He's messing around with a little bit of strength training and messing around on the treadmill and stuff like that. And for him to go to someone like Lane Norton, for him to watch someone like Lane Norton on YouTube, I think could be really healthy for him. Because he can learn about like, oh, yeah, I need to look at the the labels in my food and I need to pay attention to that and things like that.

But again, you can kind of bypass all that. If you eat foods that don't have a label, you don't have to worry about it as much. Agreed. Yeah. Next one. Mike O'Hearn. Underrated. Yeah, I think so.

Come on. Overrated. Overrated. I'm going under. I'll say underrated yeah i think so come on overrated i'll say under i'll say underrated the reason why underrated people think he's on drugs people some people don't think he is but either way i think because so many people believe he's on just massive amounts of steroids or has been lying about that they may not pay attention to some of the things he's actually doing in the gym and that's the only thing I really pay attention to. I'm like, okay, fuck the steroid thing.

Because when you see him lift, you don't see people lifting and doing what he's been doing for such a long time, even if they're on drugs or if they're not on drugs. I think that despite of what you may think about him, that's something to pay attention to. What is this person doing that allows them to have such control over the weight they're moving in the gym, not really get injured that much, really good longevity, really good strength. Cause the things he's doing is like,

people can't do that. What's allowing that? I think that's something to pay attention to, but I think it gets overlooked because the knee jerk reaction is he's a fake natty liar. And I can understand if somebody thinks that, but you still don't got people doing that shit even if they're on drugs. Yeah. And in a gym full of people that are on a lot of gear, he's still going to be the strongest.

And then, you know, people are like, well, he's just on more gear. But no, I would say underrated as well because people's personal beliefs and their bias will uh overlook or they'll be blind to what he's actually what he's doing in the gym and what he you know his habits and stuff and then also underrated because all of the memes are incredible those memes are and we need more of them but as soon as i seem like probably like three in a row of the baby don't hurt me memes i'm like he's gonna be more famous for this fucking meme than anything he's ever done and dude they're still going and it's incredible and shout out to him and like props to him for making a shirt out of it yeah i think that was great mark i'm just gonna say he's overrated

just because i hate his guts he does everything good this guy's perfect right i mean he's been he's been lifting non-stop i think since he was like 12 years old. I don't want to. He's impressive with what he can do with particular exercises. His mobility is really good. He looks incredible. He came in here, I don't know, a couple months back. And there he is popping his shirt off. And he's next to Nsema, who's 20 years younger. It's like, I don't know, it's pretty unbelievable what he's been able to do.

So I'm just throwing some shit his way and just saying he's an overrated piece of shit. Whatever did happen to that jujitsu match that was supposed to happen on the 21st? Oh, I think, yeah. Did he claim his victory or what happened? I don't know, man. The story behind that, by the way, guys, is like he made the post and I didn't even see it until that morning. We were kind of kidding around when he was here.

We were like, oh, maybe guys will like do a pose down and jujitsu against each other yeah yeah but then he made that post and then he said april 21st we'll do a jujitsu match i don't know about but i was like okay except right but never happened nothing ever happened on the 21st i mean doing jujitsu with mike even though i have more experience than in jujitsu i think it would still be quite wild because he's so strong. Like, he's just such a powerful human being. I mean, I've rolled against Chad Wesley Smith, but I think, like, Mike may have better athleticism. I think people would really love to see Mike move around.

So when I, as funny as that may sound, but there's people that probably pay for it. When I was training with Mike, it was the last day that we were training together. as funny as that may sound but there's people that probably pay for it when i uh when i was training with mike it was the last day that we were training together and so i said let's go do something a little different you know and i remember his wife and maybe one of his friends are like like you're not gonna be able to really get him to do too much different i'm like he you don't think he's gonna like he won't push the sled and do like you know we'll just do like push the sled and like do some push-ups um we did like i don't know maybe five or six rounds of that he was he was hurting but he could go like he he was he was down he like did it uh but it was different

for him you know and that's what he does to you in the gym he drags you into his version of deep water you know so it'd be interesting in jiu-jitsu. I don't know how much practicing he's done. I don't know how long he's been participating in it, but Mike will kind of almost always catch you off guard with something. So it wouldn't surprise me that he would be pretty proficient at it. I don't know if he'd be to this guy's level of proficiency,

but it wouldn't surprise me if he moved really well and understood it really well. Yeah. We have tons of more stuff, but I think we can do that on another day. Yeah. I think that's a good place to cut it, guys. Yeah. So guys, what do you think about some of the things you mentioned?

Are there things you obviously disagreed with? I'd probably say the Michael Hearn bit. No way. But let us know what you guys think about this. There's a few other things we're going to do in the next episode of this, but let us know your thoughts. Yeah. And let us know if you liked it so we can do more of them because this was a lot of fun.

One more thing I want to share about Mike is that when I've trained with him, my experience has been, you know, I've shot a lot of videos explaining, you know, squat, bench, deadlift, and this kind of stuff. And I like doing that. But, like, Mike takes it to a different level. He, you know, you've got an opportunity to train with him too. He's on that camera a lot. And yes, of course, it's because he loves himself and he's a handsome motherfucker. But he really does love teaching people. He loves giving people the details.

He loves showing people. So he'll show somebody, you know, a seated row. He did this a couple of weeks ago. He's like, you can do a seated row this way. And he like rounded his back and he did full range of motion. And then he did a bunch of other ways. And he's like, which way is best? He's like, they're all good. You know, he's trying to show you like, why not mix it up? Why not have variety? So he's showing people that one of the greatest ways you're going to be able to have longevity in training the way that he has is to mix it up and to be

open-minded and to keep working towards doing some different things that's why like you know when he does those lateral raises he does those a little different all the way he'll do over overhead presses he does everything with a little you know you're like okay i i can do lap pull downs but then he faces fucking backwards on the machine and then he pulls it behind his back and you're like yeah or or he'll do like pull-ups he'll do a couple warm-up sets but then he'll do them behind his back again and you're like yeah or or he'll do like pull-ups he'll do a couple warm-up sets but then he'll do them behind his back again and you're like all right well i'm out i can't fucking i don't know how to manage doing uh that but he's a guy that really gives a shit and he's you know an influencer uh that's had a huge impact on a lot of people and he really does care he's taking the

time to show you in detail how to do these movements how to do do some of this stuff. Andrew, take us on out of here, buddy. All righty, everybody. Thank you for checking out today's episode. If you're on Spotify, please drop those comments down below. Love seeing those over there. If you're on YouTube, do the same thing. Hit that like button, subscribe, all that good stuff. Follow the podcast at MBPowerProject all over the place. My Instagram is

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This week is never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.