Mark Bell's Power Project - Success Comes From Finding How Much Torture You Can Handle || MBSS Ep. 40

Episode Date: April 1, 2023

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I was kind of scared. Just to be totally honest, powerlifting definitely got to be torturous for sure. When you're not proficient at something, you're really like hamstrung. You owe it to yourself to give it a shot. So what were some of the tactics that you used to get through the, quote, torture? Sometimes you do have to push too hard to kind of find the line. And sometimes too hard is not even difficult. All right, Mark, we're back.

Another Saturday school. Hopefully, kids, you're on page 43 because I said so. Yeah. That's the page that my coach, my wrestling coach, when I was doing pro wrestling, I was trying to drop elbows on people. When I was doing pro wrestling, I was trying to drop elbows on people. That's the page that he always asked the whole entire crew if we're on. And we're like, yep, I guess so. He just wanted to make sure we're on the same page.

So he's like, all right, boys, we're on page 43. And we're like, yes, sir. Did you ever ask him if there's anything of value between 1 and 42? Or was just 43 is where the good stuff started you know he was a lot of fun you could ask him questions like that and he would go on and on you know about the reasons why you know it's page 43 and stuff like that but i don't think i ever asked him about that i did ask him about training every muscle group every day uh for his like entire career he claims i'm like it's not possible and he's like here's how i you know he explained exactly how he did it he's like i ran the rack i did i started started

with running the rack for traps he's like and then i did it for shoulders and then i did it for biceps and then i did it with tricep extensions i'm like well you're a crazy person yeah so he'd start with like you know 100 pound dumbbells for shrugs and he'd start with like 100-pound dumbbells for shrugs, and he'd work his way down to like 20s until he's totally exhausted, and then he would grab, I don't know, 30-pound dumbbells and do lateral raises, work his way all the way down, and he just kept going through body part. I'm like, he was in amazing shape, so I don't know. He knew something, but I mean, how much?

Every day, every body part, every day. But people would be in so much better shape if they just knew, all right, well, I'm just going to run the rack back and forth every day. Yeah. I don't know. It makes sense to me. It's a lot of work. A lot of calories burned. I mean, a lot of time being saved because you're not jumping around machine to machine.

I'm like, you didn't miss a day. Like, there wasn't a day where you missed calves. It's like, no, God damn it, Bill. You're on top of my shit my favorite part or favorite story is when he was teaching you guys how to turn a doorknob oh yeah that's huge yeah because um he while he was warning us he just he wanted everybody to be safe so if he did something goofy in the ring like he grabbed a headlock on the wrong side you know it's pro wrestling so it's a it's a work a shoot and uh it's not jujitsu like you only work the left side of the body you know like there's certain uh lingo and certain things that you do and certain body

language that you use to keep each other safe and so even something like a punch like you're gonna show the guy that you're gonna punch him you know like kind of grab the guy by the hair bring your arm way back so he knows what's coming telegraph it yeah you telegraph it and then you actually might hit him a little bit but he was ready so he could snap his head at the right time and everything so you're really trying to like protect each other but he would do that with everything like picking up your backpack or whatever yeah you'd be like really that's the way you can pick up goddamn backpack you can blow your like, you can blow your back out. You're like, I'm not 70 years old, Rip. It's a fucking four-pound backpack.

I'm going to be fine. Yeah, JL did that to me, too. And then the same thing with opening up a door. Like, one of our guys, he, like, went to open up the door, like, overhand. He's like, goddammit, that's not the way you open up a door. He's like, you got to do it underhand. You got to do it gentle. He's like, do you want to work? Do you want you open up a door. He's like, you got to do it underhand. You got to do it gentle. He's like, do you want to work?

Do you want to get paid? You want to make some goddamn money? He's like, this is how you open up a door. And he's like, boys, make sure you put your foot forward. Foot's forward, hands underneath, and you turn the doorknob. Because he's like, because if anything's going to get hit, it's just your shoe. He's like, it's not a big deal. You're not getting hit in the face.

You're not hurting your arm. And then it was like three weeks later where one of our main guys totally killed his hand. And I think he sprained his wrist. No way. Opening up a door. Because everyone come flying in and out of this door. That was his main point. He's like, you guys are a bunch of animals. You shouldn't be flying in and out of this door. That was his main point. He's like, you guys are a bunch of animals.

You shouldn't be flying in and out of the door. Makes sense. And he showed us how to even enter through the door. He's like, do it slowly so you're not killing anybody. He'd always say in a loving way. Do it in a loving way. Make sure you're not going to hurt anybody. What was that like when you were, because this was in Ohio, right?

Yeah, yes. I lived in Columbus, Ohio, and I trained in Louisville, Kentucky in a league called Ohio Valley Wrestling. And that's where Brock Lesnar and Mark Henry and Batista and all those people came from. So I was trying to chase down that dream. and all those people came from. So I was trying to chase down that dream. So what was that like when you'd be in the parking lot thinking about like you're about to, I mean, again, it's choreographed, but you're still like, I'm going to get my ass kicked today.

You're with the best people in the world. And on top, yeah, exactly. So what, I mean, did you have hesitation as you're kind of like, fuck, here we go again? Or like, what was, like, uh, cause the practices were really tough. Uh, and, and I wasn't under contract. Some of the other guys were under contract. So if I was getting paid, it would have been different. I probably still would have been scared or whatever, but, um, yeah, I was kind of scared just to be totally honest, nervous. Um, and then that nervousness and scaredness, like it totally shows when you go to cut a promo or you go to get in the ring and do something with somebody. You're not as loose and as calm just like any other sport.

Like if you're not loose for basketball and you go to shoot a three, you can be as good as you want. But that's Kobe Bryant, you know, in his first year, like shooting air balls, right? You're not even going to be able to hit the fucking rim. So it definitely, you know, it would definitely rattle you. And you would see how good some of the other people are. And that's all you could focus on. You couldn't focus on, you couldn't focus on, I just need to figure out a way to get, I need to figure out a way to showcase what I have.

I already have something. I already have a couple things that are pretty good. I need to figure out a way to showcase that. And I just need to figure out a way to get a little bit better. It doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant what the other guys are doing until I can maybe start to ask them some questions and say, hey, how did you – I want to stay after.

Do you mind showing me some of these things? And everyone was super nice. Everybody was definitely willing to help. But even with that, you're like, they're not going to want to help me. I'm the worst guy here. Yeah. I mean, I can't even like, well, so like when I go to jujitsu in the morning, it's almost, it's not easy, but everything's on autopilot. I'm still very tired from, you know, not getting too much sleep.

But then I just kind of show up and I'm there when I go to any classes later on in the day I'm kind of like pacing you know like ah like this same thing you know it's like okay I'm gonna go to open mat do I have to stay for class like yeah I should stay for class should I stay for the whole class like yeah I should but like we'll see what happens and so like today I was just drained. Like I could not, like my last role of the day, I just apologized to my partner. I was just like, dude, I'm sorry. I'm fucking gassed. Like I can't do anything right now, but get through it. And then you come out the other side and you're just like, Oh, all right, we made it. I feel so much better. So I'd imagine that stuff was very similar, right? Like where you you kind of even if you didn't accomplish

too much you feel fairly accomplished for at least that day oh when you when you did it well like it felt so good you know when you had a good practice or you put together like a five minute match or something and you you kind of figured it out is when you just start to feel really really good about what you're doing and when you start, really good about what you're doing. And when you start to feel good about what you're doing, then it makes the sacrifice, it makes the suffering, it makes all those things, it makes all those things that much easier, kind of puts them in better perspective. And then after a while you get like to a point where you love it so much and like it so much where you wouldn't even necessarily really use

the word sacrifice or suffer because it doesn't feel like that. But in those moments, you know, when you're going to jujitsu, it was really easy to think, you know, tonight the whole family's there or whenever it is that you go to class, you know, I got my daughter and my son, like both are home and my wife's there. And I know that she's got a little free time and like, it'd be cool if we could all sit down and have dinner or go to our favorite spot or order our favorite food. And like your thoughts, they end up staying there or they end up kind of drifting like, oh, I could podcast it. But like you have a schedule of like, you're supposed to go do jujitsu.

You already agreed in your own head that you're supposed to go do jiu-jitsu you already agreed in your own head that you're going to do it but again i think in those moments even though it's something that you want to do and you want to improve on you fuck with yourself a lot before you get there and on your way out the door you find yourself like doing anything and everything you can that's not preparing you to go to jiu-jitsu it's just like a lot of uh it's a lot of fuckery but it's just getting over the hump because once you get over the hump and once you're the guy when you walk into jujitsu they're like fuck andrew's here dude like i didn't did you know he was coming in here fuck man all right well he's strong man and he's i mean he's nice to everybody but damn

we got a ways to go but i see that with in sema though yeah everybody knows him as in sema nobody even it's not that they don't bother to learn his last name it's just he it's not even necessary he's in sema now like that's who he is you, he's gotten to that stature. And you can see where everyone's just kind of like, oh. Like, the air gets sucked out of the room because it's like, fuck. Like, can I even give this guy somewhat of a decent role? Nope. And the answer is always no. You know, I think what's really incredible about in SEMA,

I mean, it's incredible not to have him here during these Saturday schools. Start with that. No., it's incredible not to have him here during these Saturday schools. Start with that. No, he's an incredible person. And I mean, you must admire him even more now that you're doing jujitsu, but how cool is it that he's been doing jujitsu, like almost behind everybody's back in a way? Like he's, the guy had never talked about it. Now he talks about it because we reference it a lot. I understand jujitsu enough to know that it's like a game of like problem solving and leverage. And it can really assist somebody that maybe otherwise didn't have a prowess with physicality to be able to handle themselves much better in a situation. So I know enough about it there.

And then now you're doing it. So we talk about it all. We kind of make him talk about it. But even when he does talk about it, like he doesn't, you don't really hear him talking about like holds and grips and like, he's not talking about a bunch of shit that people don't really know about. He is only referencing the different leagues and stuff that people fight in

when we press them on it, you know? Yeah. I mean, when he first, first when we press him on it, you know? Yeah. I mean, when he first, first started, I remember I was, you know, filming at the previous ST and, you know, he had mentioned it like a couple times, but that was in the very beginning. You know, that was when like everybody is like so hyped up because they found something that they love. And so that's when he would talk about it on camera at least. And he would film his stuff. But you're right.

He's not, you know, like me, like I'll get fired up when I just get a sweep or I get into like a good, you know, dominant position. Like I can't wait to celebrate that shit. You know, like I'll text you guys about it. But he's not doing that. Like lately he's been like, you know, just explaining how difficult some of the roles are when he trains with Mason. And like that's what he's fired up about.

But again, it's like he's not really talking about it. We kind of still have to beat it out of him. And that's really freaking cool. Yeah. Freaking amazing. Well, he's definitely somebody that has been doing it long enough and has the physicality and stuff to get over the hump. And for myself, you know, it took months and I'm still working on it. Like running still sucks.

Yeah. Like it sucks. Like there's parts of it that suck. I do love it. I do actually enjoy it. And I'm even going to go on a run today, even though I did a half marathon yesterday here in Sacramento, did the Shamrock run. And that was a lot of fun. But, yeah, you get like six miles in. you're like, I'm like halfway-ish.

You know, I'm like not even really halfway. And when you're not proficient at something, it just is a real – you're really like hamstrung. Like you're sort of – not stuck but you're like limited because if I could run faster, well, then a half marathon would take me a shorter amount of time. So the whole thing would be easier. I would have a larger capacity. I could get through it faster. But because I'm on my feet for two and a half hours because that's about reasonably how long it takes me to do it, you are kind of sucking. And we're lucky the weather was good yesterday.

It didn't rain while we were running. But if there was like rain and a lot of wind, it's not like I would have quit. But because, again, I don't have the proficiency, I saw these guys running that started the same time as me, and they're coming back the other way. And I'm like, I'm not sure how far it is. Like, I know how far they ran already, but these guys were flying. So like on the same path you returned back? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're coming back the other way. That's annoying. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it happens to every, I mean, these guys are so fast. You know, these guys are flying through it, probably running five minute miles or something. I mean, they're cruising um and it's it's suffering for them too in a way because i mean they are going so hard but you saw that i saw the difference in the guys that were passing guys that were running uh the opposite direction heading heading towards the finish line, you know, an hour and stuff like that before other people,

those guys, there was some guys that were, there was a couple of guys that ran by so smooth and so crisp, didn't even look like they were breathing in and out of their mouth. I mean, I think they were mainly nasal breathing. So there's just many, many different levels to it. But if you push into it, but you do so softly enough to where you can recover from it, and you do it for a really long time, you get to be a badass. And people are like, who the fuck's that? And you're like, well, it's just me. I'm just me. It's Chip and Oye. I wasn't even trying to do anything. You want to watch this clip?

Yeah, let's check out this clip from Jerry Seinfeld. I think this is an amazing quote. It caught my attention. So here we go. Every second of my existence, I'm thinking, could I do something with that? That to me sounds torturous. Oh, it's like going into the gym every day. It's hard.

You know how you walk in every day and you go, oh, geez, I got to do this again. Yeah, it sounds like a tortured life. And you say it's not. into the gym every day. It's hard. You know how you walk in every day and you go, oh, jeez, I got to do this again. Yeah, it sounds like a tortured life. And you say it's not. It is. It is. But you know what? Your blessing in life is when you find the torture you're comfortable with. And that's marriage.

It's kids. It's work. It's work. It's exercise. Yes. It's not eating the food you want to eat. Right. Find the torture you're comfortable with.

Wow. And you'll do well. And I love that. I think maybe, you know, I think maybe sometimes people when they, you know, hear the word like torture or something and then you hear him say marriage. He's not trying to like really make a joke about it. He's just saying like there's going to be like really make a joke about it. He's, he's, um, he's just saying like, there's going to be like work in there. There's going to be things that are going to be like uncomfortable. You're going to hurt each other's feelings. Um, imagine being in a relationship

and you recognize that, that you're going to like hurt each other's feelings. And then you're like, I'm done. I'm not going to ever have a relationship again. Like you just, you just bow out and you don't ever try it ever again when there's so many wonderful things that you could get from a relationship and so many wonderful things that you can give in a relationship. So I really liked that quote a lot because I think that, uh, you're going to try a bunch of different things in your lifetime. And some of them are going to be really tedious. Some of the things that you're going to try are going to be really hard. They're not going to be comfortable.

And sometimes you're going to almost know right away, hey, man, like that just wasn't for me. You know, I wasn't expecting to go into that CrossFit gym and end up with rhabdo. You know, I wasn't expecting to go to boxing and, you know, break my rib on the first day, even though I was only punching a bag. Like there's so many things that can happen. But when you find something that something still might click, so you owe it to yourself to give it a shot, to give it an opportunity. Luckily for me, when I started running, I was running so slow and so cautiously because of suffering, I did another sport for so long that I kind of knew better. I knew that the most important thing was that I treat myself well and I give myself good inputs. I didn't want any bad inputs. And every once in a while, I would still overdo it, still go for it a little too much. you know, I would still overdo it, still go for it a little too much.

But yeah, there was things, you know, like there was just little shit like your toes hurt or your knee hurts or you're, you know, you keep getting a leg cramp or there's all these like kind of little things. But luckily for me, I had some training in suffering already through powerlifting. And powerlifting for me is a great metaphor for everything else in life because I wasn't even really – I started powerlifting so young. I wasn't even actually really trying to do anything. And I wasn't even really trying to purposely do anything until I was, I don't know, like 29 or 30. I was already doing it for many, many, when I was a kid, I broke some records and stuff like that, but I didn't know about the records. I didn't know, there was like state records and they weren't a big deal because they're just, there wasn't a lot of people doing it.

So it's not like I broke some like monumental record or something, but New york state you know bench record deadlift record stuff like that but i was just training and then i'd go to the meet and they'd say oh the record in the bench is like 289 or something like that or whatever the kilo conversion was and i was like awesome i get to like break that on my opening attempt this is is going to be so sick. And as I got older, like powerlifting was kind of always circulating because I always enjoyed training. And when I got back into powerlifting, started doing Westside, actually went to Westside and started going all in. if I suffer a little bit in this and actually put in a stronger effort, I can not only be like halfway decent at this, I could be really good at this. And who knows if I can figure it out the right way, if I can figure out the algorithm, maybe I can be great at

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in power lifting, you weren't, I mean, you were just training cause you like to do it. So it wasn't quote torturous, but what were some of the like, uh, like tips and tricks or hacks that you use to kind of get through the torture because I mean training west side at west side again we're going back to the whole fuck sitting in the parking lot damn everyone's here like all right here we go like so that was probably pretty torturous and probably I would imagine make you kind of nervous just walking in to go do what you love to do so what were some of the tactics that you used to kind of nervous just walking in to go do what you love to do. So what were some of the tactics that you use to kind of get through the quote torture? It definitely, I mean, powerlifting definitely got to be torturous for sure. I can't, I can't lie about it. I can't make that up. It definitely

just got to that point. I think what would get me through it the most was, was what was waiting on the other side, the reward, you know, just getting better. I've always loved, I loved getting better and Westside, even though it was intense. And even though like when I walked in there, there was, uh, John Stafford, there was JL Holdsworth. There was like Brandon Lilly, um, Chuck Vogelpool, this, all these like legendary lifters, Dave Tate. These guys were just – these guys were monsters. But even though they were monsters, it was just like the only requirement to kick ass at Westside was that you did your work. If – like no one gave you a speech about it but you got the idea

right off the bat you're like hmm like who who who do people talk to in here and who do they respect and who who are some of the guys that people will like load plates for and stay a little extra for start to kind of watch that and pay attention and you're like it's the guy it's not the guys that are the best it's the guys that work the hardest and you start to watch that over time and you're like all right well that's the way that this gym is that's the pecking order the pecking order is who shows up and chuck vogapool was kind of the main guy there he wasn't like a leader necessarily because he just he didn't really talk he just trained and he would pace back and forth but uh you know chuck would say hey you know meet me at eight tomorrow to work out he'd be there at seven and he'd be chomping at the bit when you

walked in he'd be pacing back and forth you know and you're like hey how's it going you're like you're trying to like it's it's a you know it going? You're like, you're trying to like, it's, it's, you know, it's early in the morning, and you're trying to like, I guess, catch the temperature of the room,

you know, and with him, it was always ice cold. He, he didn't really, he was nice, but he didn't really want to talk, and,

and you'd say, hey, how's it going? And like, he'd just kind of shake his head and then he was like i did 12 sets of grip work he's like kind of meaning like put your shit down like you know and i'm thinking like i gotta pee i gotta change my other shoes like i don't know if i brought everything i need you know and then it's like you know panicky or

whatever but that's just the way it was it was, you just, you put in a lot of work and I learned a lot there. It was almost like a, a little like military bootcamp. Did you feel like you fit in? Definitely not in the beginning. Yeah. Cause I was just, that's okay. Perfect. Because I feel like, especially when it's something new, um, there is that weird, uh, uncomfortable, like, oh, I'm the new guy or I'm on, I'm the outsider. And, you know, that's part of the torture of trying something new. So like, how did you go about trying to fit in with those fucking killers? You know what? Um, I always tell people I had the most unfair advantage of all time having two amazing parents.

Um, my mom and my dad just instilled a lot of confidence in us. And I think it was just they just encouraged us to do a lot of different stuff. You know, if we picked up a tennis racket, you know, they were like, hey, is this something you think you want to do? Like, you know, and my dad would, you know, hit the ball back and forth and my dad would try to show me stuff. And he's like, I don't really know tennis, but like if you want to play tennis, you know, we can we can figure this out. Your uncle plays or something like that. They just always encourage us to try like a kind of diverse amount of things. So when I was at Westside, I recognized there was really there's only like one way to fit in.

It was just to put the work in. And not only put the work in, you got to kind of lift something. So it wasn't just the work and it not necessarily wasn't just the weight. There was a lot of people there that didn't really like blow people away with the lift that they did. However, they went from deadlifting 185 and shaking all over the place to being able to deadlift like 315 for reps or something like that. And so you saw people's progress. There's also like some athletes there.

There's some other people there that they weren't necessarily doing the one rep maxes on some of the movements, but they're still like dragging the sled and doing torturous shit. They were doing stuff that was really hard for me. I, I think that I maybe had a different perspective on fitting in and most people. My oldest brother, Mike, was always really popular. He was popular because you wanted to like side up with him because he's going to punch you in the face. So it's better to be just easier to be on his side. And he was just a really good athlete. And he had kind of a big personality wasn't necessarily uh like real outgoing um but he wasn't like quiet either um so people knew about me kind of through him you know

as i was going through like high school and stuff like that or just as i was growing up and i was like uh little bell or whatever right Right. And then same thing with Chris. Um, but Chris is personable. Like he wants to talk to people. He likes, he likes to talk to people. And so Chris was always like a cheerleader for me. He was always fired up about like whatever I was doing. Cause he and I would power lift together and stuff. And so I had people that just kind of already, um, I guess knew about me and, or accepted me just on the merit of like what my brothers were or what they were doing or who they were. And so I think I had like a warped, I think I just didn't think about it much. And I was just thinking like, well, everybody always thinks I'm cool. So as long as I'm not mean to people, then I think – and there is one thing that I think is important that I kind of forgot about.

a new environment you have to think how how can i add value what can i do to help now it wasn't like i was like mopping the floor at west side but i would help clean up after workouts um i would try to or try to i would stay there just for a long time just like people do at jujitsu people just they're every time you go in the same guy's there and it doesn't matter if you go in in the morning or if you go in at night that motherfucker you're like man this guy's sometimes there's people that just they just want to offer maybe they can't offer a whole lot else like maybe they're not like super athletic or maybe they're not crazy strong and so it's a great way to kind of fit into a spot and you're going to get a lot more out of it by simply just offering whatever the hell it is that you have.

Yeah. Dude, on point. Sometimes it's just time. Yeah, yeah. I got that from super training, which is like, because not everybody, but a lot of people want to come train here, or they even want to come work here. I would get emails all the time like,

oh, I just want to go work for you guys so I can lift all day. Well, first off, that's not how it works. But you have to think, what can I bring to ST, not what can ST bring to me? And so I had that exact same mentality walking into my jujitsu school. And I still have that to this day. So it appears that the main, one of the biggest, I guess, boxes you can check off when trying something new or trying something torturous or you're stuck in the middle of something is, quote, getting over the hump. What do you think people are doing wrong when they can't like quite get over the hump? Like, yeah, I don't want to put any other questions in there, but what do you think is going on? Like, yeah, I don't want to put any other questions in there, but what do you think is going on? I think the, I think one of the biggest factors in that is to understand that you need other people.

You need to make allies, man. Like you, you know, you want to be able to be really good at art. You want to be really good at the piano. You want to be really good at acting. Who are the actors that are good? Who are these people? What makes them good? Ask questions. Uh, you also want to, um, you want to fail fast. You know, you want to kind of put yourself in somewhat uncomfortable positions. So, uh, maybe the teacher or sensei or coach or whatever is like, uh drill and you're like as soon as they as soon as

they look to somebody to go in I'm gonna say I'll do it you know I can you jump right in there's a lot of body language with stuff too you know kind of the teacher's pet sitting in the front row nodding the head you know these kinds of. There's just like respectful ways that you can kind of, uh, you know, kind of work your way into some of these things, but I think we really need people. And so I was just thinking about this, um, yesterday when I was doing the half marathon, I was like, I just wonder what it would be like to just run with someone that just runs like a nine-minute mile pace. You know, like at the moment, like that would be really challenging to do that the whole way. I'm not trained for that yet.

However, maybe doing it just one day on a race might not be the best idea, but maybe trying to do that in training would be a good idea. And I have run with people that are faster. I have, I've run with Matt Choi. I mean, he's super fast. Um, I ran with, uh, a bunch of guys that have like fucking records and shit and running um so i think i think that's a really important thing is to find allies and see you don't want to like get out of your lane you don't want to like try and do what they're doing you know necessarily but i think it's appropriate

to occasionally ask them, say like something like, um, uh, when do you think I'd be ready for something like that? Or you can maybe, you can maybe say something to the effect of, um, do you think that's even something for me to be concerned with? Cause a lot of times we'll tell you, no, dude, like you're thinking about the wrong you know you might overthink your form or technique for running and it's like well a lot of guys that have run for a long time they're like i've been just i've been running for 30 years so like what do you think of form they're like i never really thought about it you know and it's not like they don't have any value to give you, but the value of that, the value of making friends and having allies is you end up with a bunch of,

not just coaches who have done it previously, but people that are currently doing it. And I think that's really important because those people will give you a lot of feedback and you'll say, ah, I tried that. And I and I kind of got to tweak something. They're like, well, I didn't really mean for you to do that like right away. You know, you maybe got fired up or misunderstood. And you can go back and forth with them and you can kind of tweak stuff the way that you see appropriate to move forward. Yeah.

So you think it's pretty valuable to let the people that are around you, let them know like your goals and tell them like and actually out loud speak to it and tell them like hey i think i want to compete in jujitsu this year whatever it may be because like something like you just said happened today where somebody had you know my training partner had you know kind of i forgot how he how he worded it but something to the effect of like yeah when you compete later this year you know x y and z and i had says like ah i was like you don't even have health insurance? I don't know if I like going and like get armbarred and break my arm or something. And he's like, no, he's like,

it's nothing like that. And I was just like, oh, okay. You know? So, but anyway. Yeah. It's not blood sport. Yeah. Yeah. The Kumite. But so you think verbalizing and telling your, the people in your circle, what your goals are is important? Yeah, I think that's huge because then you get people kind of on your side. But I also think that, you know, like if you were to ask people certain questions, you already know all the answers to them, you know. Yeah. Like imagine if you went to your coach and you were like, hey, man, you think I should compete? Like, I just saw there's a

competition in like a month. You know, he's gonna be like, I'm gonna hold your hand. I'll bring you there. You know, like, let's fucking go. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. Now there could be, you know, if you have an injury or something like that, they could say, they could give you advice and say, ah, it's just, yeah, I've done that before. It's just not smart. But I think all these things are really valuable to get you over the hump is to ask questions, pay attention to what people are saying. If people – if you keep hearing competition, competition, oh, you should compete. And these are people that you admire. These are people that you value. It's not like some random, you know, someone that doesn't know

anything about jujitsu. It's people that know stuff about it. Like, well, that's the third time, you know what, like, I need to just go. And, and maybe you play out different scenarios in your head. Maybe you play out the fact that, you know, some, I don't even know what happens in jiu-jitsu really, but I'm imagining there's people that kind of hang out in the white belt category for a while to kind of rack up some wins, maybe some confidence, things like that. And so you can say, okay, well, there might be some guys that have been a white belt for a handful of years that have a collegiate wrestling background and so forth. And I got to be accepting of that, but really I'm there to figure out what my skills look like against anybody that's, anybody that's similar-ish to me.

And if I lose, I'm not going to be a big baby about it. But I'm going there with the intent to showcase what I got. Yeah, that's absolutely what goes through your mind when you're even thinking about competing. Or some of the guys that I've talked to that are getting ready for a competition, which is like, well, shit, I've, you know, only had my white belt for not even six months. What if I go up against a white belt that's had it for, you know, three years or whatever here, right? He's the guy that I did a little bit of wrestling in high school. And then I kind of come in and out of jujitsu every couple of months. And he just kind of has all of the skills. And then, you know, so I'm explaining this and then my, my, uh, my buddy, Chris, he's a brown belt. He explains, he's just like, dude, it's the journey.

He's like, it's the prepping for it. It's the getting ready. It's the being there. He's like, the winning and losing. He's like, I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter that much. Yes, of course, it'd be cool to win. Yes, it's frustrating to lose. He's like, but the journey.

He's like, that's where it's at. And so I'm like, damn, that's pretty deep. You know, that's where it's at and so i'm like damn that's pretty deep you know that's really cool you might not even know anybody that's undefeated in jujitsu unless they only did like a couple of matches right the best guy i know in sima yeah he's not undefeated fucking in sima you know so it's like okay like i get i get it you know yeah not mason and all these guys i mean the better that you are, I mean, it's not like the more times that you lost, but you, you had to learn lessons along the way and you weren't trying to duck anything and you were trying to get better. So you were putting yourself in situations that some people might think of as being like torturous. Um, but they're just, they're, they're forms of torture that you can be comfortable enough with doing.

And back to the Seinfeld quote, I think it's just such a great quote because if you think of someone like our boy Casey, Casey Short, like he's amazing. He's lifting. He's boxing. He's running. He's doing mobility work. Like he's getting all's doing mobility work he's getting all these things done he's in his 50s

he's in great shape and I think for him I think sometimes we'll have to have him on the podcast I've been meaning to have him on the podcast forever so we need to make that happen but I think for him he's just like

it doesn't make any sense for me to not go and do like a run it doesn't make any sense for me to not go and do like a run. It doesn't make any sense for me to not go and do my boxing and stuff like that because he's got himself over the hump. He's built up a tolerance to some of these things. And so he knows. And then plus he enjoys hunting. So if he really enjoys hunting, he's going to make sure he's in shape for it because when he's out there, he doesn't want to be like dying and miss opportunities and maybe fall behind his friends and be the guy that's complaining about his foot hurting and all that other stuff. So I think finding something that's kind of uncomfortable that you can start to get more comfortable with over time as he was talking about the gym, marriage, like marriage and the gym, like none of these things are actually torturous,

but there is a period of time where there's an adjustment period. Like the gym can be torturous or could feel that way. Anyone who's ever had a crazy legs day, you know, where they can't sit on the toilet, they can't get up from the toilet, they can barely go up and down the stairs, got to go sideways. And, you know, you're just not, you're walking weird and all those, all those different things. You know, that it can be torturous, but over time, there's a handful of things that can happen. But two major ones are the body starts to get adapted to the exercise that you're doing.

And so you don't get as sore anymore. And the second thing that happens is if you do get really sore, you fucking love it because you're like, I, I dig this. I, this is awesome. Like I woke up this morning after doing a half marathon yesterday. I'm like, today's going to be so fucking awesome. I, you know, um, I kind of crushed myself yesterday, but I get to wake up today and now I'm going to work out with Kenny. And then later today, I'm still going to run. I did my mobility stuff. So I look at it, I look at these things as like an extra challenge. Like, oh, you don't think I can do that tomorrow? Like, I'm still going to fucking show up. I'm still going to get my shit done, even though it's exponentially a tiny bit harder because of what I did yesterday.

But fuck yesterday. That's in the rearview mirror. I want to work for the next day and for the day after that. So Monday to me is about Tuesday and Tuesday is about Wednesday and so on. And each day is not even about the particular day. Each day is about the weeks ahead. And they're not even necessarily about the weeks. It's about the months. It's about the years ahead. So you had a pretty, I mean, an event. It was a setback. Maybe it wasn't a setback. I'll let you say exactly what it was. But you found yourself in the hospital. Some people, when they are in the middle of this, quote, torture, trying to get over the hump, maybe they even are over the hump. But something sets them back.

How do you bounce back from something that just fucking derailed you? Yeah. You know, when I fell with 1,085 and some of these things that are like, you know, you're, you get wiped out. Somebody gets like a concussion or something like that. You're, you know, you're trying to learn MMA or something. You get just fucking waxed, right? These things happen. But I mean, the way I kind of look at it is like what else are you gonna do you know um

i mean i i don't i would say that like i mean nobody wants to die right like you don't want to fucking die however um i don't know how to hide enough to not die. Like, where am I supposed to go? What am I supposed to do with myself? I see what you mean. You know, I do like things that are maybe a little bit of the roll of the dice. Like, it's not like I play Russian roulette every day. It's not like I do stuff that's too wild. I'm not, you know, jumping out of airplanes and, you know, I'm not doing things that are too wild. I'm not, you know, uh, jumping out of airplanes and, um, you know, I'm not doing

things that are too wild. However, there's some risks to them. And I have fucked myself up a handful of times, a bunch of different ways. And, you know, sometimes things go sideways and it's not that bad. You just go home and you hydrate and you eat some food and you're like, man, I really knocked myself silly today, man. I don't know what happened. I don't feel so good. I remember one time working out with John Cena and I just like, you know, we were doing legs and I threw up and I was just like, like just so pale, like I was just and sweaty and weird. And I've thrown up before in a workout and was able to actually continue the workout. But this one, like I wasn't coming back.

Like there was just too much whatever the fuck buildup that is lactic acid or whatever. And I just, you know, I just couldn't continue. And so I had some, some sugar. I ate some food and then I felt fine. And then the next day I was able to train again. So sometimes these setbacks, you know, they're, they're things that, uh, allow you to kind of recalibrate and rethink exactly what it is that you're doing. Um, but you know, when shit's new, shit's going to get weird. You could hurt yourself. You could do something as simple as try to just change your grip on a particular like lift or something or change your stance.

You could like blow out your elbow, blow out your knee just from one tiny little, oh, let me, I heard that so-and-so does this. I think this is like the next trick that's going to help me over the hump. And you could just hurt yourself. The day that we went and sprinted with Graham, I got hurt one day running with Graham and it was just like, we weren't even going fast, but I was like, this feels good. I'm going to try to open up. We had another day where we went out and ran and ran on the field and we were running barefoot and stuff like that. And that was a lot of fun. And unfortunately, and SEMA popped his hamstring that day. So you can't avoid like getting injured is, is a huge piece of the puzzle.

It's part of, it's part of all these things. Uh, if you can have the kind of hindsight, or if you can stop for a moment and think about what's my preparedness for this thing that I'm about to do. Like if you were to do a jujitsu tournament or sign up for a match and you have never done any grappling before. Well, there's like a major there's a major concern there you know that that doesn't really i'm sure people could handle it i'm sure people have done it before it just doesn't really make a lot of sense you're putting yourself in like a lot of danger and the same thing could be said about running like if you're gonna all of a sudden like sprint out of nowhere when like what sprinting experience do you have when's the last time you sprinted

and how long did you sprint for even like because when you're a little kid and you sprint you know you forget when you're seven you may have weighed 60 pounds and that's different than you weighing 200 pounds now you're trying to sprint weighing 200 pounds how far are you sprinting sprinting like 100 yards well you might be sprinting you know upwards of 10 15 seconds i got a long time to try to hold on to uh some top end speed so you're gonna you're gonna like fuck yourself up so i think one way to one way to get past some of these injuries and one of the ways to get past some of these things where you might get wiped out is just to understand it's just, it's part of the process. You're going to have setbacks. Your setbacks sometimes are injuries and sometimes they're just pure failure. Like you are supposed to do this

run on this particular day or this lift on this particular day. And you're way off. You're like, I don't know. I don't understand what's going on. In that case, I'd almost rather get hurt than to find out that I was like 30 pounds off, you know, the weight that I thought I was going to be able to execute or lift. So like I said, I don't know. I don't even know how to like shelter myself enough

to be safe enough to, because I have the knowledge. So it's – if you think of the spaceship that blew up, the Challenger, it's like how many smart people were involved with that? There's a lot of fucking smart people involved in that. That's NASA. It's like supposed to be the smartest people in the world. And they probably don't actually really even know what happened. And kind of same thing with what happened to me. I just was running and just something weird happened. And all I can do is kind of think about what I know about myself and try to think about where that might've came from. It was the fastest I ever ran. And it was for the longest, not the longest time I ever ran,

but it was like the most amount of speed work that I've done at the distances I was going in that particular day. So I could have just felt weird and knocked myself silly. And as a result of that, I didn't know what to do. I thought that I had low blood sugar. My blood sugar was actually, I think it was high at that point because my eyes started to get weird and stuff like that. But I also just could have been like dizzy because I was running really fucking fast. So maybe I just needed to stop and breathe and drink some water and chill. But I thought I needed to do something because I wasn't feeling good. All I could think about is like, oh, if I do this, I'm going to make myself feel better. And so I think in that particular case, I don't

really know exactly what happened, but I do think that I kind of fucked myself up by thinking that I needed to do something and I probably just needed to rest and drink water. Damn. This is the last question for me. It can be a whole nother topic. And I think I have the answer already. But like, so then how hard should somebody push? Like, how do you know like where that limit is?

For me personally, it seems like every time I get sick is when I find my limit. You know, I'm like, I'm going to do jujitsu and I'm going to lift every day that I'm not on the mats. And then I either get hurt or I get sick and then they kind of have to recalibrate. So for somebody listening, how do you figure out, like, how do you learn and how do you understand how hard you should be pushing? Yeah. How hard should you be pushing yourself?

I think one of the questions I would ask you is like, how long do you think you're going to do jujitsu for? For life. Then what's the rush? Yeah, yeah. Where do we need to be? Yeah. You know, like, you're like, not to be disrespectful,

but you're not going to be that good anyway. Like, it's going to take for you to get really good to where people are like, holy shit, he's really good. And you're a blue or a brown belt or something like that. It's just going to take a lot of time and take a lot of time and a lot of consistency. And even when you're in that spot,

you're going to say, I got a lot to learn. You're still going to kind of feel the same way. So it just, um, I think knowing that it's going to take a tremendous amount of time, a tremendous amount of consistency, I think is critical. However, I do think that there's going to be times, again, I think it's okay to just accept the fact that I am going to get hurt.

Could just be a simple miscommunication in class. Somebody didn't realize that you were going to kind of actually throw them a bit and something happens and, I don't know, because of that, they land on your leg weird or something like that or vice versa. They throw you and you land awkwardly or something. All these things are definitely possibilities, especially with jujitsu, because you're not just dealing with your own body. You're dealing with physicality and somebody else's body and what they're doing.

And they're literally trying to make it seem like they're doing something else, but then they go for something different. And sometimes because they know that, they go for something different, different, or they go back to the same thing that you get baited all the time yeah like arm bar triangle arm bar right like it could just get crazy you're like whoa it's like that yeah and then you're like i don't know what happened went by so quick. So I think, yeah, just a good understanding that these things are going to take, they're just going to take a tremendous amount of time to get good at. And just to, I think to know that, you know, I'll give you an example. Like yesterday when I was running, there was, there was this old bat, this old lady who was walking you know but she was walking pretty fast

she was like a almost like a speed walker so a speed walker can they can walk at like 12 and 11 and 10 minute mile paces so she's moving pretty good so it she just basically just walked the entire time she probably beat a lot of people. I mean, I saw her a bunch of times and I was like, I can't get beat by like, at the very least, I can't get beat by her. Um, but what you learn about a marathon, people say it's, it's, it's a marathon, not a sprint. And they say it, you hear it all the time. Well, a marathon is really interesting because if you were to go to the bathroom, if you were to stop at some of the aid stations to drink some water, if you stopped and tied your shoes, if you stopped and stretched for a little bit, you might be way better off

having done that than if you didn't stop at all. So slowing down sometimes can be the thing that could really propel you forward and speed you up in anything, in life or anywhere else. So this woman that was walking, she was kind of with me periodically, and I shook her a couple times. I lost her. And then I needed to use the bathroom, and when I needed to use the bathroom, there was, I don't know what people were doing, taking a dump in there or something. I don't know what was going on, but they took a long time. And so that was a little bit annoying. But as I got back on the trail, there she is again, walking.

And I saw a bunch of other people, same thing. Like a lot of people that were using like a walk run strategy or a walk and jog strategy. They did really, really well. And our boy Amadeo Novella, who, you know, my excuse for not running really well is that I'm big. But I ain't that big. Not compared to Amadeo. Amadeo's huge.

He's probably like 6'7 or something like that, and he's got to be, you know, I think maybe he's under 300 pounds nowadays. Hopefully that's not too mean. I know he's been working on losing some weight. I think he has lost some weight. Amadeo trains. He's local.

He trains a lot of, like, MMA fighters and stuff like that at Capital Strength. I think it's the name of the gym, right? I saw his big ass out there and i looked at his time i mean again another excuse for me i was using as a training day so i was purposely trying to keep like a 12 30 pace and i stopped a couple times and things like that um but amadeo finished like 10 minutes behind me and that's a big, big boy and he probably doesn't really run that much, but how did he do it? He did it with intervals.

So he would walk and run and walk and run and walk and run. So if you just understand that your jujitsu is going to take a long time, you're, you know, getting more proficient at baseball or tennis or, uh lifting, your physique is going to take a long time. You're not going to have the body that you want. Like if you keep kind of chipping away at it here and there and you are, you're, I don't know, 18% body fat or something, you're not going to have the body that you want for the summer. You might have the body that you kind of want for the summer temporarily, but it's not going to be anything that you're going to be able to sustain. It's going to take years and years and years of development for you to be able to really nail that down. So I really just, I love that quote. I thought that was

valuable to share with you guys today. Hopefully you guys got something from it and maybe you have your own interpretations of it. So whatever your interpretations are, you know, please let us know. You know, I do think that words like torture and sacrifice, they get thrown around,

you know, they get thrown around a lot, but it's, it's just a descriptive way of saying like there, there's going to be, there's going to be some sort of suffering that goes along with, with starting something new. And Seinfeld's point, I think it was interesting how Stern, Stern questioned him more than once and kind of made him admit like, this is a tortured

life. And Seinfeld at first said no, because Seinfeld's like, no, this is just fun for me. Everything is material. I think it's the same thing with us. Like we, you're not sitting normally while we're podcasting. I'm standing. When, whenever we, we do it as often as we can. Whenever we have the opportunity to do something better, we try to. Try to buy better food. If there's a chance to mobilize something, if there's a chance to,

I'll be in my recliner at my house with a ball underneath my calf digging in for myofascial release. Sometimes I'm watching TV and I'm mashing my feet. I'm mashing my feet right now as we speak on this Nibosu ball. So I'm always trying to find an opportunity to make myself better at stuff. It's very, I'll put toe spacers on, like all kinds of stuff. People might think, you know, cold plunging and doing these things that are difficult is torture. But to me, it's stuff that I like. But again, part of the reason why it's stuff that I like, I've gotten used to it. So it's going to take a while to develop these new habits.

And over time, your habits start to become part of your character. And then for you to try to figure out ways of dealing without these things in your life, that's torturous. So you not eating the chicken and rice and the different things that you like to do on a daily basis, you making sure you hit your mark with your meals or you making sure that you fasted the way that you wanted to fast, you'll be more frustrated that you didn't achieve that and you ate ice cream or something like that. You're going to you'll be more frustrated that you didn't achieve that. And you ate ice cream or something like that. You're going to start to get more frustrated with the fact that you didn't go to the gym and the fact that you did go to the gym, stuff like that.

As crazy as that sounds, but it's true. I had an opportunity to eat. Have you ever had gym boys tacos? Oh yeah. Okay. So I had an opportunity to have that last night. All I could think about was like, dude, this is going to hurt so bad in the morning when I'm on the mats. And you don't want to be the guy that farts in front of everybody. The whole time. Yeah. A couple of farts. A couple of farts.

Like, hey, all right. It happens. Yeah, one or two. Yeah, but really blasted them? No. No, no. So I just went home and had eggs. That's all I had.

And I just, you're right. It would, I would have been not, not so much like, um, like upset at myself, like, Oh, I can't believe I caved or anything. It's just, no, like I wouldn't feel good. Like I physically would not feel good. And it's like anything I can do to avoid that, I'm going to do it. And so now it's torture. If I go away from eggs, steak and eggs, you know, like that's my jam and I feel good on it. So anything outside of that is like, I really have to consider the positives and negatives or whatever you want to call them. But I'm thinking about like you, how you said, like, I'm thinking about tomorrow today already. Yeah. And so it's, it's weird when you get to that place. It's, I don't feel like I'm without anything. I don't feel like I'm sacrificing

anything with my diet. It does feel the opposite because I feel like I'm sacrificing anything with my diet. It does feel the opposite because I feel like I'm sacrificing tomorrow's workout if I do have, you know, some tacos today or some shit like that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It sucks to share this with people all the time that things just, they take a lot of time, but because they take a lot of time, they're like, they're going to take a lot of time no matter what I think one of the things that's kind of cool about that is you get to kind of play around a bit more not that you're taking anything less seriously but you might be able to try stuff a little differently you might be able to um like I'm doing with running I've tried different running techniques often because I know that my

my technique in my form it's going to take a long time for it to improve and for it to look the way that it needs to look for me to be as efficient as I need to be for me to be able to run the times that I want to run. which I can probably do, but only for short periods of time. If I was able, if I had the capacity to do it for a longer time, I'd probably get hurt because my form isn't like locked in enough. I haven't been doing this long enough. And so I'm going to continue. That's why I'm always searching for stuff. And that's why people, sometimes they misinterpret. They're like, oh, you were doing stuff from Sturette.

Then you're doing stuff from Goda. And then you're doing stuff from functional patterns. And you keep like leaving one thing and finding another gimmicky thing. No, no, I'm not leaving anything. I'm gathering information and I'm taking the information like there's still stuff from go to that I practice. There's stuff from there's stuff from Kelly Starrett that I've been utilizing forever. that I've been utilizing forever. And sometimes these things come and go in waves,

but it's all in an effort to make the thing that I'm doing a little less difficult and more fun. And so it might take longer to learn because I'm not sticking to one solid. It's not like I read one book. If I read one book and stuck to one solid thing and I learned that over a period of time, maybe I would get better a little bit faster, but I also wouldn't have the capacity to be able to fix shit as I go along right now. I'm able to fix stuff. I did have that weird setback that one day, but I've had zero

injury, my back, my calves, my hamstrings, my body, everything feels amazing. And I'm able to run miles and miles and miles. And it's because I've been flirting and messing around with so many different things that I have a decent knowledge base along with some coaches that are helping me to be able to take care of these things as soon as they happen. Yeah, dude, that was awesome. That's all I got on this end. Andrew, take us out of here, buddy. All righty. Thank you, everybody, for checking out this edition of Saturday School. Drop those comments down below. Let us know what you guys think about today's session.

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I just want to kind of finish by saying, sometimes you do have to push too hard to kind of find the line. And sometimes too hard is like not even difficult. So like the first day you did jujitsu practice, I don't really, I mean, I think maybe midway through, maybe you probably started recognize, like, I think I'm fucking myself up a bit. I don't know. I dude, no. I mean, yeah. I mean like cardio wise. Yeah. I'm like, Ooh, like I'm about to throw up, but it wasn't till the very end when I looked down at my feet and I was like, what the, what is that? Like,

this looks weird. And so for those that have experience, you understand what I'm talking about with Matt burn on the feet. Everyone else just think of ridiculous rug burn or Matt burn in this case on the top of your foot. Mine looked, I looked, it was weird. It was really bad, really, really bad. So sometimes you're going to have to push it a little too far. And sometimes you're not even necessarily even feeling that. That's exactly what happened to me when I had my incident, ended up in the hospital. I didn't even know. But these things, they are most likely going to happen.

They're not necessarily avoidable. We don't always know exactly why they happen. But just knowing that they could be possibility, I think is a good thing to understand. Strength is never a weakness. Weakness never strength. I'm at Mark Smelly Bell. Catch you guys later. Bye.