Mark Bell's Power Project - Which Sports are Dominated by the Freakiest Genetics? || MBPP Ep. 1092

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I think football players are the most athletic. They can jump the highest. They can run the fastest. They're the strongest. They're the toughest. We can't forget the most mutated person of all time is Shaquille O'Neal. Hitting the hard ball is like the hardest thing you can do.
Starting point is 00:00:13 Yes. But then right on them bases. It's one of the great things about jiu-jitsu, right? Is that you don't have to look the part. Boxing. Boxing. Boxing? They do have some freaks.
Starting point is 00:00:23 I put that out athletic. Yeah, I don't think you can put any lower than that. What was that cricket? These guys in particular look like they suck. Handball? What is handball? It's an Olympic sport. Hey, dude, I got to get into this. I'm just thinking like as humans in general, we just have way too much time on our hands.
Starting point is 00:00:38 All of our Canadian listeners are probably pretty pumped that we're putting hockey up top. It might be the most exciting sport to watch. I would say that there's not even a question where there's the freakiest athletes, and that's basketball. I think this clip from Shannon Sartre seemed pretty interesting to me, so I wanted to see if you guys wanted to chat
Starting point is 00:00:56 about some of this. He's talking about the NFL, how he thinks the NFL has the best athletes. We get a take from our audience and see what they think too. All players are the most athletic. They can jump the highest, they can run the fastest, they're the strongest, they're the toughest.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Now I'm not saying that other sports, baseball or whatever sports, but I'm talking about, if you talk about athlete fast. Before I go any further. I'm just a nigga with an opinion. I do not believe the NFL players are the most athletic. No way. No how they are not the most athletic well-rounded athletes. I have no order for this, but I am just going to say what I think is the most athletic athletes.
Starting point is 00:01:43 I'm going to have to say wrestling. It's like one or two. Good choice. Track and field athletes are fucking godly ass motherfucker athletes. Especially the field motherfuckers. Those are just walking superheroes. I just can't say football because there's rugby.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Rugby just seems way more athletic. I could be wrong. But if you're gonna say football between the two, I'd say there's a little just seems way more athletic I could be wrong but if you're gonna say football between the two I'd say there's a little bit more variables in football so I can see why you would lean towards that way then you got motherfucking gymnast motherfuckers are fucking monsters but don't let that fucking leotard fucking onesie fool you motherfucker what is y'all's opinion I want to hear it I said I just have my opinion what's y'all's opinion? I want to hear it. I said I just have my opinion. What's y'all's? The thing you said out the rugby places for tour versus football players
Starting point is 00:02:32 I would say that NFL players to have the freakier athletes because you were you were deluding to this while we were talking about this earlier There's more money. Oh, yeah where there's more money You're gonna have like the the cream of the are going to try to find the place where they can make the most money while doing what they do. So you'll see freaky athletes in rugby, but you're going to see freakier athletes in the NFL most likely. Yeah. There's some real mutants in the NFL. I think the NFL is kind of notorious for just having crazy athletes. There's so many different positions that an athlete might play. You got defensive backs and you got receivers
Starting point is 00:03:08 and you got all these different positions on the field that kind of require different things. But then you have like a running back or linebacker. Those people usually have the attributes that most people would love to have. They're usually pretty damn big. They're usually well over 200 pounds. They're usually well over six feet tall.
Starting point is 00:03:30 And they're usually fast, agile, strong, in very good shape. Whenever I go and see the 49ers play, these athletes just, I mean, they look incredible. Obviously they got the shoulder pads on and stuff like that. So they look even wider than they actually are. But it just very impressive physiques, even amongst the offensive and defensive line where sometimes the athletes have more body fat,
Starting point is 00:03:56 but even those guys are mutants because they're 300 plus pounds and they're running like a four, nine, 40 or 48, 40. Picture a motherfucker like that would come in at you, bro. That's the scariest thing. And for most people, they're probably gonna catch you. But I would say that there's not even a question where there's the freakiest athletes,
Starting point is 00:04:14 and that's basketball. Okay, tell me why. I just think in terms of athleticism and the size, the sheer size of those athletes, how they have to like manage, like how do you manage like a six foot seven body or six foot nine body? And just even think about the freakiest, I guess,
Starting point is 00:04:35 I wouldn't say he's maybe the freakiest athlete, but just in terms of what he can do, Wemby, Victor Webiniana. Oh my God, insane. Not saying he can't jump, but he's not as like explosive as LeBron, but anyway, just like the sheer mass and the way he can move that body through space. I mean, yeah, I can see what you're saying. And then you also have, we can't forget,
Starting point is 00:04:54 the most mutated person of all time is Shaquille O'Neal. You know, you don't think of athletes ever being, sometimes you might think of an athlete being 200 pounds, Bo Jackson was 225 pounds and ran, you know, suppose it like 4, 140, like just unbelievable, like Olympic level speed. You got, you know, someone like Francis Ngannou who's like 250 or 260 pounds, Brock Lesnar, same thing. It's rare to hear about athletes that are 300 pounds. The great Reggie White that played for the Philadelphia Eagles
Starting point is 00:05:28 was a 300 pound defensive end that was extremely athletic, fast, explosive, every which thing you can kind of think of. And then it's like, well, I never hear of an athlete being 350. Like that would probably just be way too big and fat, right? But Shaq got up to be 400 pounds and that wasn't his best playing weight,
Starting point is 00:05:49 but he was 400 pounds. Shaq was a strong man running around on the basketball field. Yeah, right? Shit, he was. Unbelievable and like he's the most unstoppable force that we've ever seen in any sport. I don't think anyone even comes close. Now, there's guys now though,
Starting point is 00:06:07 that are maybe not as big as Framed Shack. Shack's peak weight hit as much as 440 pounds. That's seven foot one. 440, not just 440. 440 pounds. Aspergillus. Imagine the coach being like, what is your problem? Why can't you guard him?
Starting point is 00:06:30 You're like, he's 440 pounds. Dude, Half-Flor is backing me down. What do you want me to do? Impossible to do anything else. During the Lakers 2002 title run, he was over 400. Wow. So when he won a championship, he was over 400 pounds. That's when Kobe was getting pissed at him all night.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Yeah. Oh my goodness. That's when the refs helped him beat the Kings. Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's a lot of freaks. I think one of the appeal with the San Francisco 49ers is that there's some freaks on that team. They have Debo Samuels who,
Starting point is 00:07:09 I didn't get to see him in person, but their coach, their strength coach, remember their strength coach told us, they're like, yeah dude, Debo Samuels is kind of like Encima running down the field. And I was like, what? I'm like, he goes, well, he's not as big as Encima up top, but he said he was what, 230, right?
Starting point is 00:07:26 Yeah, he's just, he said he was just a big solid block. He's like, the legs are similar. I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, that's unbelievable. There's somebody, I mean, Devo Samuel's one of the faster, like more elusive. How tall is he? He's probably about 5'11".
Starting point is 00:07:41 Oh shit. So he's probably got like, like your legs, he's about my height. Wow. He's a tank Oh, he's a tank. It's like two-thirty. I mean, it's unbelievable I think last year he was supposedly like kind of gaining weight they were gonna use him as a running back a little bit more and then like things got messed up with the season a couple other guys got hurt and They needed him to be like a receiver a little bit more
Starting point is 00:08:03 So he didn't get to like use his size the way that he kind of wanted to, but he's massive. Yeah. According to Google about six feet tall. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, even so that's crazy. Yeah. But I mean, they got him, Jerry Greenlaw is insane. And then Fred Warner, of course, but then also Christian McCaffrey,
Starting point is 00:08:21 and the dude's never not working. But like, well, I'll let you explain it, how if a football player goes to play basketball though, it'll be a different story than a basketball player coming over to play football. Well, we were talking about this earlier, but Mark had a point, again, yeah, I don't think, because most football players don't have the height
Starting point is 00:08:40 that most basketball players do. They would need to really circumvent that lack of height with a crazy amount of skill, like Allen Iverson and Steph Curry, right? But you could probably see a good amount of taller basketball players going and playing football by packing on size. Because what do you need in football,
Starting point is 00:08:57 potentially to be a receiver? You need ability to be elusive, run routes. I don't watch a lot of football by the way, but just thinking run routes, be elusive, catch, right? And be fast. And I think there's a lot of six, five, six, six, six, seven basketball players that could probably have that ability on the football field.
Starting point is 00:09:15 I mean, LeBron James, his other sport, if he wasn't gonna be a basketball player, was being a professional football player. And he was a really good football player. Yeah, imagine having athletes trying different things. We had that one day where we were practicing snapping the football. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Like throwing the football between your legs to Steve Weatherford, former punter of the New York Giants. And it's like you can very easily be made to look clumsy when you try something that's new. So it's cool to be able to have the ability to mimic something. And if someone was to teach us and you were actually able to learn it, then you can kind of start to compare different feats of athleticism. But I don't know how fair it is to pull a baseball player out of baseball and then have
Starting point is 00:10:03 him like, have Barry Bonds doing like layups and dunks and stuff like that. I don't know, I don't know if that like deems him less athletic, like he's the greatest baseball player of all time. What's there? Yeah, and he's in a dunking competition, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Yeah, so he can probably, he can probably handle it. And most of those guys, they probably are, I mean, a well-rounded athlete's gonna be a well-rounded athlete. And one of my friends that was a proponent of Olympic lifting, he said, you know, people just argue so much about Olympic lifting, whether it's appropriate for sports
Starting point is 00:10:35 or not appropriate for sports. He goes, but it's pretty simple. The person in the room that's able to perform a snatch with the best form, with the most amount of weight, is almost always the best athlete in the room. And I was just like, wow. I'm like, that's super interesting. I mean, what?
Starting point is 00:10:51 I mean, okay, I don't want to disagree straight off, but like, okay, in a room, I could understand that, because if someone can perform a heavy snatch, but the thing is, is most athletes aren't, I mean, you see a lot of basketball players performing heavy snatches, right? And that's what makes all this so confusing to try to figure out.
Starting point is 00:11:13 What he was saying is that regardless of whether a athlete is really practicing it, they should still have the capacity to be able to do it. Okay. And so he thought in terms of, not like it's gonna be the best, maybe I kind of word it improperly, they're going to be somebody that is going to be
Starting point is 00:11:31 very athletic if they can perform a snatch, even if they haven't really done one before. As opposed to the guy that like tries to do one, but for every half inch that he goes down and squat, he keeps leaning forward more. You know what I mean? Like it just doesn't have the ankle mobility, doesn't have the dexterity, doesn't have the rhythm.
Starting point is 00:11:49 Not able to- As the SP would say, they don't have the natural structure to do it yet. So it's like one of those things. Yeah, not like one of you guys that just has the genes. Yeah. And genetics. Anyway, we got a tier list.
Starting point is 00:11:59 You know who's got some good genetics and we always undersell them is our boy, Andrew Zagros. He does? He does, cause like you're fucking super athletic. We went to the 49ers and you're throwing awesome passes and catching some bombs and stuff. Were you born with that ability to throw? I couldn't answer that, but I was born with an older brother
Starting point is 00:12:21 and I don't know where he got that from, but I just mimicked everything he did. It's a little practice, right? So, like, early, early on, like, baseball coaches would come up to my dad and be like, like, what are you, like, is he in camps? Like, what is he doing? He's like, he just copies everything his brother does. Because up until a certain point, you know, I was like always like the best one,
Starting point is 00:12:43 but only because I was the only one that can throw it to Mark. Catch the ball. You know, at an age where kids don't even know how to run around the bases. So it's not like I was anything special, but I mean, I just was able to mimic my brother. He had a leg up because he had practice. And then also, we went to Topgolf that one time. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:03 And you're drilling the ball pretty efficient efficiently Yeah, I was just always around sports You know, they were always on TV or I was watching my brother or I was you know competing in sports as well Up into a certain age when everybody got really really big and strong and I was like I'm gonna just go play Madden instead You know cuz this is I'm really good at this and I'm not good at that anymore Wish I would have stuck with it, but. This is a little bit more of a side note. But I used to be able to mimic all kinds of stuff when I was younger, or at least it felt
Starting point is 00:13:34 that way. And I would never say I was great at any of it, but I could watch stuff on TV or I could mimic something that a basketball player or football player would do. Again, it wasn't amazing, but I was able to actually physically mimic it to the point where around friends and around amongst other people, or if I was playing a sport like football,
Starting point is 00:13:54 other people would recognize it like, holy shit, that was pretty good. And my lifting over the years, without the input of continuing to practice some of that stuff, it dissipated. And it dissipated all the way to the point, you know, where I was, I lifted so much that I kind of made myself what you would probably consider as unathletic. Even though I was playing a sport,
Starting point is 00:14:18 I guess we can argue how much of a sport is powerlifting. I don't know, I'm not offended. It's on the list, so we'll be able to talk about it. I'm not offended if someone says it's not a sport, I'm fine with people calling it a hobby or whatever the hell somebody wants to call it, I'm good with all of it, but if I did keep some of those inputs in, then I probably would've been able
Starting point is 00:14:39 to keep some of that athleticism, but what I'm hoping is that I'll be able to regain it by working on some of these things that I've been working on more recently. Yeah, I'm tempted to hit up Jesse Burdick and be like, let's see how hard I could throw, like a baseball, just curious to see what I got, and then maybe he can help me out with some mechanics
Starting point is 00:14:57 and some lifting and stuff, but I don't know, maybe one day. Throw some fast balls? Yeah, with no control whatsoever. I do think that, you know, if you examine exactly what Shannon Sharpe said there, he said that he thinks football players are the fastest. Just, there's just no way that that's true
Starting point is 00:15:18 because there's specialists. So we can't ever discredit, I understand what he's saying, how NFL athletes can be very fast and maybe compared to basketball players. They're fast maybe compared to Some other sports, but there's really fast fucking people in soccer There's really fast people in a lot of sports and we can't forget about the specialist. We cannot forget about track It's like you are going to get completely smoked in most situations by track athletes. However, every once in a while, there's an NFL athlete
Starting point is 00:15:52 that maybe was a former track athlete, like a Tyreek Hill or somebody like that, who's pretty proficient. But normally, it kind of reminds me of people talking about, like fighting, and it's like, well, you're just gonna get absolutely destroyed if you're a boxer by an MMA guy. Because an MMA guy, that's his specialty. That's what he's good at.
Starting point is 00:16:13 So if you two guys box, then maybe it'd be even. But if you're gonna try to grapple at all, you're gonna get killed. And then the other aspect of football is the plays. I just Googled it, average about seven to eight seconds of play. So when it comes to displaying that freak athleticism, it's typically going to be in a six or seven or seven or eight minute stint. Wow, eight minutes, can't speak second stint.
Starting point is 00:16:41 I don't know, like where does endurance come into play with all that? We'll see. All right. So then I guess we said basketball, right? So, basketball goes as the freak athlete? On this tier list... Yeah, I guess, yeah, because, like, OK, so, the tier list is titled, which sport has the freakiest athletes? And I would say that, yes, basketball has some of the freakiest athletes
Starting point is 00:17:05 on planet earth, not just because of like their ability to run, jump, sprint, but like just the sheer freakiness of the athlete themselves. A seven foot fucking maestro moving around the court like that, you don't see that anywhere else. Right? So I think a lot of those athletes could probably do other things and be super successful.
Starting point is 00:17:22 So yeah, I'd say basketball freak athletes. And I think, okay, can you go down the list real quick? Andrew, we have freak athlete, then what, athletic? Athletic, then moderate, lower, and then stay in your lane. Stay in your lane, okay. And this is within the freakiest of those bunch. So okay, yeah, cool. Next up is what?
Starting point is 00:17:42 We have baseball right there as the first one? Yeah. Okay. I'd say what? We have baseball right there as the first one? Yeah. Okay. I'd say- Let's watch something real quick. Oh yeah, let's watch that clip. Let's watch a little, oops, little something from right here.
Starting point is 00:17:54 And I'll mute it. As the best athletes? This is via Bleacher Report. Oh, our favorite source. So they ranked them. My favorite source. Their choice. As the best athletes.
Starting point is 00:18:03 Yes. NFL. No. NBA. No. Don't tell past the best athletes. Yes. NFL. No. NBA. No. Don't tell me water polo. No. Dare say.
Starting point is 00:18:11 No, it's not water polo. Is it an Olympic sport? No, it's not. No. They're not going to say, it's not baseball. It's baseball. It's baseball? What are they doing?
Starting point is 00:18:19 They pissing people off? They explain it and they... Are they making people angry? Probably. They just want to make you angry. That's a crazy answer. They said it's because they have the greatest hand-eye coordination. Well, hitting a baseball is probably the hardest thing. I want to get in a batting cage.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Should we get in a batting cage? Rev it up to like 90 miles per hour and see if we can hit it? No, no, we shouldn't do that. No, that's terrible. Well, you don't... I think I faced 90 before. As much as I get it, and there are like some...
Starting point is 00:18:42 Baseball is a very hard skill too. There are many athletes that are athletic. I don't think they're more athletic than like, I don't know, a pro basketball, pro football player, or a truck and track and field athlete. Like when we talk about what you gotta do, let's just talk about what you gotta do. Hitting the hard ball is like the hardest thing
Starting point is 00:19:02 you can do, yes. But then running them bases, right? They ain't that far apart. I mean, there are some very fast guys in baseball too, I'm not saying that, but I mean, I just, generally like, you're not gonna see the freakiest athletes in baseball. I mean, you'll see some freaky ass athletes,
Starting point is 00:19:18 but not the freakiest. Yeah, like how does it stack up against something like tennis? Ooh, I think it'd be like, honestly, I think it'd be right there with tennis. I would say athletic. I think there's just too much of a range between the athletic and moderate to lower. I feel like we should have had something else there, but... It's cool. It makes it like we have to really decide.
Starting point is 00:19:37 I'd say baseball, athletic. There's... Baseball is really interesting because like, because like, hitting a baseball, yes, there is a level of difficulty to that. Like it's really difficult, but just because something is really difficult doesn't mean that it requires a crazy amount of athleticism. I would say that kind of falls into a category
Starting point is 00:20:00 a little bit more of like a skill. It's a yes. Because there were some like fat ass baseball players. I mean, Babe Ruth and stuff like that. I mean, there's like some people over the years, Cecil Fielder comes to mind and there's like a bunch of other guys who are just like very much out of shape, big old pear shaped body up there.
Starting point is 00:20:19 Can you pull up a picture of Babe Ruth? I want to piss some people off. What about Babe Ruth, you see? Nah, you know the thing that people are thinking about Babe Ruth? No. You're going to love this conspiracy. What do you think? What do you think about?
Starting point is 00:20:33 I want to look a picture of Babe Ruth. I think that you're going to say that he's part black. Have you heard that before? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because he had a penchant for like loving black women. Like he slept with a lot of black women. And back in those days, if you are a white athlete sleeping with black people,
Starting point is 00:20:49 what are you doing? That's the first thing. But babe had like some, he has some features. Not the great Bambino. Zoom in on that. Zoom in on that nose. Zoom in on them lips. Zoom in on that.
Starting point is 00:21:06 Zoom in on the lower half of his uniform. Let's see what's going on downstairs. Oh, wow. Hmm. Who knows? I'm not going to say it, but like. Yeah, that's him. That's him.
Starting point is 00:21:22 The great, what is he? The great white hope? The great white hope the not anymore Called that I was a boxer in a movie We don't have the whites don't have any hope No, we gotta just be like Christian McCaffrey. We just have to champion water polo stuff like that How about some hockey hockey isockey is a tough sport.
Starting point is 00:21:47 It is actually, it is. It is a tremendously tough sport. We have it on the tier list. So where would you guys rate baseball? Like, because honestly, like the throwing in the field too, like the way those guys have to like throw with super precision to these pinpoint gloves on the other side of the field.
Starting point is 00:22:01 Baseball just like, it probably would maybe make the top 10 for me. Like it might side of the field. Baseball just like, it probably would maybe make the top 10 for me. Like it might be towards the bottom. It's, yeah, it's tough because if you grade it as a whole, right? Like there's some designated hitters, they just hit. True. And then in the American league, the pitchers don't pitch. They just pitch.
Starting point is 00:22:23 A lot of specialists. So it's like, ah. So are we going to put it up moderate or lower? Personally, I have a hard time putting it anything less than athletic. But I mean, you can make an argument like, well, if it's a skill, then it's close to golf. And this is tough.
Starting point is 00:22:39 I feel like we should then place that moderate. The baseball lovers are going to get really mad at us. But like, it should be like maybe middle of the row. It's really, I think it's rare. Like maybe I haven't known enough, like high level baseball players, but it's rare for them to be what I would consider to be like a mutant.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Yeah, it's gotten better. Other than Kenny, well, the current baseball players right now in Major League Baseball, they are mutants, but in comparison to the biggest freaks around, they just, they don't stack up, I don't think. All right. So moderate. Y'all let us know, like roast us. If you think we're wrong on some of this shit. Yeah. And then also with like some names of some big, big leaders right now. Cause like, I'm just not familiar with a lot of the players these days. I know. I don't know the names that well either. I did, I did see they were talking a lot about
Starting point is 00:23:24 like Mike Trout the other day about he's like kind of, he's got a bunch of injuries and he's kind of falling off, but he's more towards like the end of his career. So I don't even know who's great and shit like that at the moment. Wanna watch this one? No, not yet.
Starting point is 00:23:40 Let's go to the next sport. We got 33 to go through. I can't even see what this is. Okay, let me pull up the list on my phone. I just wanna kinda add something in while we're sorting through some of this. The hard thing here, I think, is to define athlete. I think that's a tough thing.
Starting point is 00:24:03 And Seema, what do you think are like, what do you think are a couple, maybe we can come up with just a couple characteristics quickly of somebody that is an awesome athlete. Well, I mean, again, it kind of depends on your sport, but like, for example, I think it's first like, what people don't think of as an awesome athlete. When you look at jujitsu, okay, it came up,
Starting point is 00:24:29 it's on the list too, but when you look at jujitsu, a lot of people comment, you don't actually need to be super athletic to be a really good grappler, which is very true. There's this guy, Adam Wardsinski, who just won Worlds. He's not very strong, he's not very explosive, he's not very big, but he has great technique and he's very fluid with the way he moves and does it.
Starting point is 00:24:49 So he literally just won a world championship and has won some really big tournaments, but he's not somebody who you would be able to see doing like high jumping, sprinting, explosive movement, et cetera. So when you think of an athlete, you think of someone who maybe has those capacities. They have the capacity to be pretty explosive. They have capacity to probably throw something pretty hard. They have the capacity to be pretty explosive.
Starting point is 00:25:05 They have capacity to probably throw something pretty hard. They have the capacity to be pretty fluid with their movement, fast, fairly strong, not super strong, but they're fairly strong for what they're able to do, right? That's what I would probably initially think is kind of like a freaky athlete. And Jiu-Jitsu was created for that though, right?
Starting point is 00:25:24 Yeah. For the smaller guy anyways. Exactly, it's kind of like a freaky athlete. And Jiu-Jitsu was created for that though, right? Yeah. For the smaller guy. Exactly. It's like, the whole thing is you don't have to be super athletic, super strong, super big to be a good grappler. And you don't. We can like split hairs and try to figure out
Starting point is 00:25:36 who's the greatest athlete. I know that sometimes people want to pick the most dedicated decorated athlete, you know, like Michael Phelps or something like that. But swimming, I would say that most people would probably agree, they would probably think Michael Jordan over Michael Phelps. I think it's just when you're thinking about athleticism
Starting point is 00:26:00 and I think what MJ was able to do, like how explosive he was, how explosive and strong is he? And not saying that Michael Phelps isn't strong and explosive, but you don't really see that demonstration or at least it's less understood through the activity that he chose, the sport that he chose to do. With Jordan, it was very obvious. And there was other people that could mimic,
Starting point is 00:26:24 there's other people that could do what Jordan did, but he did it all kind of differently. Like there's Scottie Pippen dunked from the free throw line too. Actually he dunked a step and a half back from where Jordan was. Jordan was actually slightly over the free throw line. No one gives a fuck because Jordan did it
Starting point is 00:26:41 with a certain finesse, a certain style, and a certain athleticism all the way to the point no one's ever seen athleticism like that before. And I obviously, you know, Jordan won championships and he was extremely competitive. But I think whatever that trait is of athleticism that we can't, it's kind of an intangible that's like a little bit hard to describe. He had that in spades. He had that like over anybody maybe to ever walk the face of the earth. And I know there's a lot of other great athletes and people like, what about this guy? And what about that guy?
Starting point is 00:27:13 I think Jordan probably would be at least in everyone's top five. It's pretty obvious of his athletic prowess. Yeah. And something to think about as we're going through all these sports too, when we say which sport, I guess, or yeah, which sport has the freakiest athletes, at the top of any sport, the athletes are freaky. Like, let's just be real there. At the top of all these sports, you got some freaks. But it's just where we're thinking of like, okay, out of all of these sports,
Starting point is 00:27:40 where at the top there are freaks there, out of the, like, who's the freakiest out of the already freaky. And that's how we're ranking this, right? You can't forget about someone like Mike Tyson, who was explosive, had endurance. I mean, just the list of stuff goes on and on, but he might be someone a little bit uncoordinated,
Starting point is 00:27:59 maybe with some other things, but you see him like jumping rope. We showed video of that before. He was able to get really low and he's able to be super fast. And then I think one of the greatest athletes of all time for multiple reasons, but he has great dexterity and footwork and speed was Muhammad Ali.
Starting point is 00:28:15 Especially when he's young. I mean, it's like he's, I mean, he made fighting look like graceful. Like that's a hard, that's a tough sport to pretty up, but he was able to do it. Yeah. All right. And I think, okay, this is the last thing I'll mention.
Starting point is 00:28:32 I think one thing to think about too is like, to get to the pinnacle of said sport, how athletic does one need to actually be, right? So to get to the NFL, generally you probably gotta be, to get to the pinnacle of baseball, I'm not saying it's not difficult, but you might just need to be a big hitter, which is not easy, but at the same time, it's one of those things where it's like, you might not need to be super explosive. You might need to be able to have the power to hit that ball and have that accuracy to hit it consistently, but doesn't necessarily mean like maybe, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:29:06 You got what I'm saying? So anyway. There's some crazy levels to all of it. Yeah. I think that next thing right there is that next one is jujitsu. Oh, okay. And I would actually put jujitsu
Starting point is 00:29:18 like either at lower or stay in your lane. Actually, I'd put a stay in your lane. Cause like there are, don't get me wrong, there are some freaky athletes in jujitsu, but it's like compared to everything else, nah. It's one of the great things about jujitsu, right? Is that you don't have to really look like, you don't have to look the part
Starting point is 00:29:36 and you don't have to be able to catch a football and be able to do layups and behind the back dribbling and stuff like you don't have to be super coordinated. Oh, you have to be coordinated. I'm sure you have to be coordinated. But not like that kind of coordinated. Yeah, right. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Yeah, no, I mean no disrespect to like any of the great grapplers right now, but like Gordon Ryan's not gonna go, you know, be able to defend the wide receiver or anything like that, you know, at a high level. Like it's just not gonna happen. No. Yeah, that sucks. Okay, was this bodybuilding?
Starting point is 00:30:07 Yeah, it looks like bodybuilding. I would automatically also kind of put that as staying in your lane. Or lower, lower or staying in your lane. Okay, bodybuilding, what does it mean? You, if you become a really good bodybuilder, you have a good like muscle insertions, right? And you have the ability to build muscle.
Starting point is 00:30:26 But there's a reason why 90% of bodybuilders don't sprint. They'll pull something immediately. Some of them maybe could jump, but they ain't gonna take that risk. Even, I think we saw Bumstead doing some jumps, but he was told not to do that, right? Yeah, yeah, when he landed, he was like, ow, that shit hurt.
Starting point is 00:30:42 Yeah. So out of rank bodybuilding pretty low. And again, when you landed, he was like, ow, that shit hurt. Yeah. So out of rank bodybuilding pretty low. And again, when you get to that high level, you're like, well, what about Ronnie Coleman? I saw him do splits and stuff like that. Again, we're not saying that they're not good athletes. We're just saying like the requirement is low and you're not gonna see kind of the freakiest.
Starting point is 00:30:59 But in bodybuilding where you do see these genetic deviations that you like just otherwise would not even know existed, the sport of bodybuilding is amazing. It has incredible competitors in there where people have size and muscularity and even movement and mobility sometimes. Flex Wheeler was really mobile.
Starting point is 00:31:25 He could do like splits and stuff like that when he posed. He was a martial artist when he was younger. Yeah, Arnold, like Arnold always seemed like, there's videos of Arnold like jogging and shit like that. And he looks like a normal person jogging. He doesn't look like some lumbering lifter. He doesn't look all stiff. So it's definitely possible for those guys
Starting point is 00:31:44 to kind of have these other attributes, but it's not something that requires a lot of athleticism. Yeah. So we're all the way down here? Yeah. Down pretty low. Down low. We don't spend much time here with bowling.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Bowling? I'd actually put that at freak athlete. Nah, I don't put that. Because they can get super hammered and still like do good. Bowling's gave it precision. It's given precision. You don't have skill. Skill.
Starting point is 00:32:11 It's a huge skill set. Yeah, we should have another tier list later where we talk about like skill. I think golf is kind of a combination of skill and some other, you know, right? It's like a little combo of things, but it's not really, you know, it's not really... It's hard, because when you think about the sport and you think about what the sport
Starting point is 00:32:32 makes somebody sort of look like, you know? So like the strongman, for example, like the requirement, the amount of weight you have to lift in strongman, it just requires these athletes that are humongous. You know, they're very, very tall because it's helpful to have longer arms. It's also helpful to have large hands
Starting point is 00:32:50 with a lot of the grip stuff that they do. And it's really helpful to have a huge frame. So these tall guys, from the time they're probably in their mid to late 20s, they start gaining a lot of weight and they're like, this is a sport I'm gonna do. They get themselves to be like 400 pounds and they look the part, you know?
Starting point is 00:33:08 And with CrossFit, CrossFit sort of, the best CrossFitters are usually of similar size. They're usually like between 5'7 and 5'9 and they weigh like 190 to like 210. And that's pretty much been every single champion Crossfitter. So a sport like golf, you can kind of tell it doesn't require some crazy amount of athleticism such as something like wrestling because wrestlers and sprinters, those kinds of sports, those people are always jacked.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Maybe not super jacked all the time, but they're always very lean. Where something like golf, you don't have to necessarily be lean. I would say that you don't necessarily have to be ultra athletic, but there is a lot of athleticism and rhythm to being able to swing a golf club properly, to be able to do the things you need to do on a golf course.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Yeah. So, I mean, Andrew, do you see the golf right there? Cause we have golf on this list. It's right there. Yeah. So where do you want to place golf, Mark? Oh, I'd put it down at the bottom. Down at the bottom?
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Starting point is 00:35:22 Link is in the description as well as the podcast show notes. All right, so right there you have Andrew Boxing. Boxale, yeah. Boxing, they do have some freaks. I mean, not every, well yeah, top level boxing. It's a freaky sport. You need to be, you don't only need like precision and hand-eye coordination, like it's also
Starting point is 00:35:42 good rhythm coordination on throwing punches, dodging punches. Yeah, I'd put that at like, I'd put that at athletic. Yeah, I don't think you can put any lower than that for sure, I think boxing requires, I mean, it was a lot of footwork. In fact, even just like learning some boxing stuff when I was young, I remember like how awkward
Starting point is 00:36:05 some of it felt. Stuff in football actually never really seemed awkward because I think if you have like some basic athleticism, then you can figure out the moves in football because they're not really that complicated. Obviously the receivers and some of these guys, they're gonna be able to move differently. They're gonna be able to move on like a different level,
Starting point is 00:36:29 but it's interesting, you know, when you try to actually think about like, what does it feel like to play that sport? You know, what does it require? And you think about like MMA or wrestling, where it requires so much movement. And if you, if you just don't have much mobility, you're super limited in some of these sports where
Starting point is 00:36:52 other sports you can maybe get away with it. I don't know. It's just fascinating. And then, so something else I was just thinking about, and I don't know, maybe make an argument to try to pull jujitsu out of. I knew you were going to do it. I was thinking the same thing. Go for it. Well, maybe it's something different so then we can have an even stronger argument. But boxers don't really get tired. Their gas tank is forever.
Starting point is 00:37:15 And some of the dudes at the top of Jiu-Jitsu, I mean, they're going 30 minute matches. Like some of them just nonstop. Some of them, of course course lots of start and stopping, but like it just seems like they never get tired. And it's like, oh, how many training sessions did you have this week? And it's like the two, three times a day.
Starting point is 00:37:32 And it's like, holy shit, like I guess maybe that's not like a freakish thing, but I don't know, man. It just, to me, I can't really ignore that. I wouldn't even use that as the point because there's a lot of sports like swimming, right? We have swimming on the list. Yeah. Just great swimmers can swim forever, right?
Starting point is 00:37:49 But I would more so like say with Jiu-Jitsu, even though like, for example, you gave the example for Gordon Ryan, who probably isn't gonna go sprinting anywhere, right? His, I guess, ability to, or any of those top level grapplers ability to like subdue and like beat any type of opponent they're grappling with. It's like, even though there's a skill, there's also a lot of isometric strength that a lot of people don't see when it comes to some of these guys.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Like for example, the guy brought up Adam Wardzinski, you see what he does. There's a lot of isometric strength when he's holding these people in these positions, right? So I would put it at lower, lower or moderate, that's where I'd place Jiu-Jitsu, but I wouldn't put it at last like athletic because again, I guess it's just a different type of athleticism that these sports need. I'd say for now, put it at lower.
Starting point is 00:38:41 It might change at some point. To be able to, and say for now, put it out lower. It might change at some point. To be able to, yeah, you know, again, the main topic here is like, I guess like what sport has the freakiest athletes? Yeah, yeah. And I would say that there has been a huge shift
Starting point is 00:39:00 in Jiu-Jitsu recently to where you're starting to see more freak athletes. And I think that's been the excitement, especially with no gi jujitsu that, uh, the athleticism has gone through the roof. You guys shown me videos before of some of these young guys that do stuff that like no one's ever done before. Fucking do like a back flip or something to get out of a move or something crazy. It's just, there's some definitely, there's some, There's definitely some wild shit going on in Jiu Jitsu,
Starting point is 00:39:27 but the ability to take someone that's very, very strong, it almost doesn't matter how strong somebody is. I guess it always kind of matters, right? But we all know how strong someone like Larry Wills is. It's just super fascinating that a guy that weighs 160, that's skilled enough in jujitsu could take somebody like that that has that amount of strength and subdue them like you said and to even worse than that like just kind of put them wherever they want
Starting point is 00:39:58 that is that is an amazing skill that almost kind of makes you think like amazing skill that almost kind of makes you think like, it's so skillful that you're like, that's something different than just skill. You know, it's hard. It's different than bowling. Yeah, it's hard to like mute that one. It's hard to be like, cause you know, MJ, we're just saying like,
Starting point is 00:40:18 is maybe one of the greatest of all time. And then who's going to look worse? You know, Jordan playing some basketball against Hoist Gracie or Hoist Gracie doing some jujitsu with Michael Jordan. I think Michael Jordan's gonna just leave it and look worse. Like, so what? You fucking made a couple of layups, but I just choked you out.
Starting point is 00:40:38 I just broke your arm. I just broke your leg. So that sport is fascinating. I think any of the grappling sports have to also get a lot of props for the amount of endurance that it takes. And boxing too, that takes a lot of endurance. Again, a skilled cheerleader would make things look a little bit different. So like we'll use that for a different, different time. Yeah. So we're putting boxing out of athletic. I think so. Yeah. Bam Yeah. Boop. Bam.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Next one is bouldering or rock climbing. Rock climbing. I saw a video recently of like one of the world's greatest rock climbers and he was doing like these one finger pull ups for reps. Yeah. And like there's certain things that he goes up where he'll use his two fingers as a hook,
Starting point is 00:41:20 hang his whole body off and then grab, right? Like these people, the strength of their hands and their dexterity in their hands or their feet's pretty wild. So if you go like top down, you know, you take an athlete like that and you would imagine with that kind of strength to weight ratio that they could do a lot of other things.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Now, maybe again, maybe they go to do a jump shot and it's the corniest looking jump shot you've ever seen in your life. But relatively speaking, you know, running, stopping, starting, cutting, jumping, you would just assume pull-ups, push-ups are going to be super easy for an athlete like that. Extremely. Yeah. I'd put it over at like, I'd say moderate. Okay, so again, this is tough.
Starting point is 00:42:08 Because we always pull stuff into this cheerless, like, oh, think about this. But even though I'm thinking about like the freakiest athletes when I look at some of this stuff, for climbing, there is a barrier of entry to strength to weight ratio. Like if you're very big and very weak, you're not climbing. Right?
Starting point is 00:42:29 And maybe even if you're just really big, like if you're just like an NFL athlete, like a lineman, obviously they, some of them are strong enough to do it at 300 pounds. Lineman specifically, yeah. But it's like more rare, right? Yeah, for linemen specifically, they're so heavy that it would be hard.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Like, it's probably hard for those guys, some of those guys to even do a few pull-ups. Right. Right? So, I mean, at the top level of climbing, these people are ridiculous. The way that they're scaffolding and stuff. So I would, yeah, I would put it no lower than moderate. Yeah, and I guess, like, I think I am picking up, like, kind of your thought process there.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Like, you go into a rock climbing gym and you're not overwhelmed by the athletes that you see in there, you know? And the same thing can probably be said most of the time when you go to most jujitsu classes. Again, the guys are probably fucking awesome on the mat, but you're probably not like, oh my God, I'm in over my head. Everyone's so fast. Everyone saw this, everyone saw that until you actually engage in the skill of Jiu-Jitsu. Whereas in something like basketball,
Starting point is 00:43:30 it's just like clear how tall and how different the other people are built. Which is, again, I think it's just, because it's interesting to try to pick this apart and try to figure out what sport has the freakiest, most mutated athletes. But again, I think if you look at football, it just has so much money behind it.
Starting point is 00:43:51 There's so many people kind of gunning for that and training for that when they're kids. But most people in other sports are, they fail at the big three or big five or whatever, to a certain extent. I'm a failed football player. Like again, I don't have- Failed soccer player.
Starting point is 00:44:06 Yeah, I don't have any shame in saying that. That's my dream when I was a kid. That's what I wanted to do, was to play football. And I trained for it. And then it ended up that I found a sport that I liked, but it wasn't my first choice. We kind of got shoved in a particular direction and that direction ended up working out great.
Starting point is 00:44:29 So he leaned into it harder, I guess you'd say. All right, so moderate. Moderate. Where we're putting it. Oops, messed that up. Well, bam. All right, was that cricket? That looks like cricket.
Starting point is 00:44:41 You might just be right. I don't know how to play cricket, so I couldn't tell you. Totally know much about it. What about a quick YouTube cricket video? We might have to call up Chris Williamson. He looks like he's played some cricket. Yeah, he definitely does. Cricket highlights. Highlights, yeah, let's look at some cricket highlights.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Do you get to hit each other in cricket? No, but we talked to to somebody and they're like, yeah, the games are like three days long or something. Oh yeah. I don't know, dude. That guy doesn't look too impressive. Or is that a ref? I can't even tell.
Starting point is 00:45:19 Did his shirt say KFC on it? I think so. Oh yeah, KFC. Why is it sponsored by KFC? That's great. Oh, fuck. That would be impossible to hit that it. I think so. Oh yeah, KFC. Why is it sponsored by KFC? That's great. Oh fuck, that would be impossible to hit that though. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Wow, their highlights are not exciting. There's so many. See, this just kind of reminisced to me about baseball. There's so much like starting and stopping. A lot of standing around. Hi-yah. Oh dude, you can't slug at that one. I like the sound effects.
Starting point is 00:45:42 What is that guy doing? The fuck? It was like a pitcher, a batter, and then there's like a goal. I like the sound effects. What is that guy doing? The fuck? It was like a pitcher, a batter, and then it was like a goal? That's the ref, and he's just like, I don't know what's going on, guys. All right, I'll put it at either lower or staying in lane. Mm. Yeah, you've got to put on mitts on.
Starting point is 00:45:59 And for all the cricket fans, maybe there's just like an American lack of knowledge here about how I think the cricketers are. These guys in particular look like they suck. I was just going to say, like, that's why I paused it. Like, I don't know what the person that is. These are probably the greatest guys of all time. This is like the T20 World Cup highlights for India versus Australia. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:19 It's pretty high, right? Why do they got such a long running start? Yeah, I know. I don't know what's going on. Let's just put out lower standard line, move on. Yeah, fuck it. Hey, learn something every day. We'll make another podcast about us reacting
Starting point is 00:46:32 to cricket matches. It'd be three hours long. We'll just talk through it the whole time. It'll be a couple days long. I can't see what this next one is and see what I'm seeing. Let's see. That looks like. Is it ollie lifting?
Starting point is 00:46:46 That's CrossFit. Oh, fuck, I can't say. Ooh, CrossFit. Hey, man, CrossFit, there's a range. It's a range of like lifting, right? And some running, right? I think where we run into a problem is where we start comparing sports
Starting point is 00:47:02 because it's like, okay, how many athletes exist that are like Rich Froney? Like very few, unless they're in CrossFit. But then if you say, oh, what could he do on the basketball court? It's like, well, it's like, that's not fair, right? So you have to try to keep them separated. I gotta keep the consistency of thought.
Starting point is 00:47:19 Well, so what I would say is that there is a lot of freaks in CrossFit because again, what Greg Glassman originally produced was this five or six week online, we all get to go against each other throughout the whole world. And then we get to figure out who the fittest in the world is.
Starting point is 00:47:42 It's the biggest competition that I know of. I don't know of any other competition that has that many participants. So we'll start out with like a few hundred thousand and then it dwindles down to a champion. And they find arguably the fittest man or fittest woman on earth. I realized that people are like, what about Ironman?
Starting point is 00:48:03 And what about those other sports they don't really require. There's no lifting component. There's not a multitude of other things that you have to be good at. Crossfit is trying to blend, like this guy is strong, like not just like reasonably strong, but the, or female, they're, they're very, very strong. It's not like just someone who ekes out. It's not a guy that just ekes out a 315 deadlift. I mean, these are guys that can usually handle 400 or 500
Starting point is 00:48:32 pounds pretty easy. They're drug tested athletes. They weigh about 200 pounds. And then they're also running like six minute miles or even faster sometimes, multiple miles in a row. I mean, I have a lot of respect for CrossFit. I think that there is a lot of good athletes in CrossFit because there is a pretty good amount of money on the line. And then not only is there a pretty good amount of money
Starting point is 00:48:56 if you're the ultimate champion, but there's also, there was also some financial gain. And I have friends that have made a living off of like just trying to be like Awesome at CrossFit. Mm-hmm. Okay. Where'd you rank it? I'm gonna let you rank this one. It's gonna be your throw Not mine. Yeah, I'd probably stick it on the third one. What's that one? Say moderate? Yeah moderate I might stick it there. I don't think it it's not big enough There's not enough money in it to to kind of take it to that next level Yeah, it was like-
Starting point is 00:49:25 We put baseball at moderate and shoot. Yeah. Gotta make some choices. I guess, so what I was gonna make an argument for, but maybe I guess if you were to put all gym related sports in that same moderate level, then this totally crushes it. But if you have every, um, lifting discipline, like somebody representing each of them in a gym, I don't think you would be able
Starting point is 00:49:52 to outwork a CrossFitter. Or, you know, at the top tier, right? You could say like, oh yeah, but they're not going to deadlift a thousand pounds. It's like, yeah, but the person that's deadlifting a thousand pounds is probably not going to be able to do, you know, whatever, insert athletic movement muscle ups to whatever, whatever, for a thousand reps, right? Yeah. To your point too, like, with that line of logic, CrossFitters, there is a breadth of things
Starting point is 00:50:16 that they're decently, they're pretty decent at, right? Whereas again, when you look at like powerlifting, SBD, right? And when you become very, very, very good at SBD, very good, not just that you just do it, but when you've built the changes to your body to become very good at this, you kind of remove the ability to do other things
Starting point is 00:50:40 that like sprinting, good range of motion, et cetera. Like it's like you you're a specialist specialist. Yeah. Right, so. I think it has to go athletic in my opinion. Cause, oh man. Well put it athletic then. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:59 We'll put it there. Yeah, the only reason why, like for me, I wouldn't like, I wouldn't put it much higher just because like there's something about, I don't know how to like word this the right way. It's like not popular enough of a sport. Gotcha. You know, like the more popular something is, the bigger populous the sport is going to have access to. It's kind of like a smaller high school,
Starting point is 00:51:28 a smaller high school here in Sacramento that has a graduating class of 500 people, just in no way could compete with going down to Texas and playing football against those monsters. Because, I mean, there's a lot of other reasons, like people try to move to certain areas to play on those specific teams and there's shit like that that happens too.
Starting point is 00:51:48 But just a school that has 2000 in their graduating class, they're gonna have a much larger pool of people to choose from period. And so therefore they'll have, most likely they'll have better athletes. And I think with people gunning for the NFL, NBA, and those kinds of things, you don't really, and then CrossFit also again,
Starting point is 00:52:08 I kind of have to in Seema's point, the type of training and the type of stuff that they do, if you're 6'3", you know, it just, it doesn't make it impossible. You can still be great at CrossFit and be 6'3", but it makes it more difficult. So it's like a very specific, like size person and kind of person.
Starting point is 00:52:27 And I do admire the skill of it. And they are required to do strongman stuff, Olympic lifting stuff, power lifting stuff. And then they have their own dynamic workouts that take a ton of conditioning and skill. And they do like rope climbs and they do, you know, weighted shit like that and they do a lot of stuff that is really interesting and amazing but in terms of like Turns in them of terms of them having like a lot of mutant athletes or freak athletes
Starting point is 00:53:00 It's just not even comparable in any way to like NBA, NFL, anything like that. I do think it deserves respect to be ranked in this list somewhere, but I don't think it gets to be that upper echelon. And interestingly, it kind of falls into this line of thinking too, is like when you think of an NFL player, a football player could, like any of the top football players could absolutely be pro card bodybuilder winners in natural leagues or in drug tested league or in the IFBB where they don't test for drugs. Any of those guys would be an IFBB pro, no doubt.
Starting point is 00:53:37 They could make it to the Olympia stage. Whereas just be like, it doesn't go the other way around. I never thought about that, but that is really interesting. Yeah. I mean, look that, but that is really interesting. Yeah. I mean, look at those guys. Yeah, especially like, for them to be, for them to be like IFBB pros,
Starting point is 00:53:56 like in actual bodybuilding might be a different thing. It might be harder for some guys based on position, but if you put them into any form of, what is it, physique competitions, you're right. Cause like, you're 100% right. Cause like, you look, they're not working with the same types of training volumes, but a lot of them already look like bodybuilders.
Starting point is 00:54:17 So think about if you did apply those training volumes to those athletes, this is a night night. I never thought about that, but that's fucking interesting. All right. So I tried fighting for the Crossfitters, but at least we didn't put high rocks above it. Crossfitters love that stuff. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:33 Is this cycling? Cycling. So yeah, it's a pedal, but they do have crazy fucking legs, right? I don't know if there's much money in cycling, so I don't know if you see the craziest athletes there. I'd put it at like... It supposedly is the hardest when it comes to swimming and when it comes to running.
Starting point is 00:54:59 Most people say that biking, cycling is just, in terms of the way that it feels, you know how like just a hard set of like a leg extensions or a really high rep set of like squats just feels different than just about anything else in the gym? That's kind of what I've heard with cycling, that it's just a different level of like burn and like you just wanna be done with this fucking thing.
Starting point is 00:55:30 So I do admire that. I do think that that's really cool to be able to have that capacity, be able to work through that signal of like that much pain coming your way. And obviously I think that it's cycling itself, I think has really helped dictate how people should train for a lot of other endurance sports. So I think it's been amazing, but it is very one dimensional. You're just on a bike and you're just like pedaling. And maybe I don't know enough about it to think that those people on the bike are like super athletic. How does it like refer to your ability to be like an athletic human. You know what I mean? Maybe a cycling is like this,
Starting point is 00:56:07 this thing you're pedaling on. I think it kind of hurt it almost, cause you're like, you know, you're in that position. Like these other sports are throwing, running, sprinting, jumping, it's like cycling is like, and don't get me wrong, it's not easy, but it's a bike. Yeah, do you guys think it helps or hurts the athleticism, the fact that they have to stay like a certain weight, right?
Starting point is 00:56:24 Cause if they get too jacked, then it's like it hurts it, so they have to stay a little bit lighter, so that, I don't know, make them less freaky, freakish, you know what I mean? Does that make sense to them? Yeah, trying to. There's definitely some mutants in it, because cycling is very popular worldwide.
Starting point is 00:56:40 And again, they have a large selection, they got a large tank of people to choose from, because a lot of people do like it. But it's like, again, it seems to me that it's kind of one dimensional. There's probably cyclists listening that are like, no, you gotta be able to do this. And I know there's other types of cycling too,
Starting point is 00:56:58 other than just like Tour de France, but I would say it's similar to like running, like marathon running, I think is like to the detriment of your athleticism. Oh yeah. I don't think it's, yeah, I think it's like horrible kind of in a lot of ways in terms of athleticism, but there's people that love like their favorite sports
Starting point is 00:57:18 are endurance sports and they love it and appreciate it, but I don't kind of hold that same appreciation for it, even though I love running. I think that you're just stationary and just kind of like cruising along, doing the same old thing. I think it's, again, I think it's to your detriment. Stay in your lane.
Starting point is 00:57:35 Yeah, stay in your lane. Stay in the lane. Am I supposed to be putting these? That doesn't matter. Why? I was gonna say like, is this better or worse than cricket? We're not even going to worry about that.
Starting point is 00:57:48 All right, horseback riding? Or what is it? Equestrian. Yeah, the water stuff. Yeah, there's different equestrian things. There's like races, there's horse hurdles, but in general, it's just working on a horse. I mean, the horse is a pretty good athlete.
Starting point is 00:58:01 The horse is a freak. Yeah, the horse is doing great. The human is about the size of this table. That big old giant cock too, jumping over those hurdles and everything, that's gotta be tough. Imagine that, being able to jump over stuff when you got a big old dick like that. Every time.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Yeah, just flopping everywhere. You just have to keep going. It's that white humor. Boom. Exactly. I go straight to the beach. Do you howdy dog? I didn't go there.
Starting point is 00:58:29 He's just coming to the big house. Well, they have you. I wasn't going to suck it. I mean, I wasn't going there. I wasn't thinking about jerking it off. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I was. Oh. So it looks like F1 racing, but racing in general,
Starting point is 00:58:51 those guys do have to be in really good shape, especially some of the funny car races that go, I don't know, fucking 300 miles per hour or whatever. Yeah, that's like handle crazy G-forces and shit. Yeah, yeah, all around. But. Super precision, because they have to like, you know, not kill each other in a car that's going how fast?
Starting point is 00:59:08 How fast those cars go? I don't know about these ones. Two-line, aren't you? Yeah. I was just talking about the ones that are like a couple seconds long, like straight line. Oh. Those are fucking ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Yeah, that's tough. I don't know. I mean, I was in motorsports for a couple of years, and I was like super out of shape and skinny and I did just fine. Yeah, when it comes to like, okay, like again, the human athleticism, not the skill and the precision, it's gonna be stay in your lane.
Starting point is 00:59:34 Yeah. Right. All right, here we go, Fugsball. Fugsball? Football. Oh, well, freakiest athlete. That's where I put it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:44 These folks, like, they're just freaks, man. Mo Jackson. Yep. All the freaks in football. Yeah. It's fair, 100%. I mean, yeah, like the linemen, they're super huge and fast.
Starting point is 00:59:58 There's even the kickers these days are starting to get huge now. Yeah, NFL football is just mutants everywhere, Even the kickers these days are starting to get huge now. It's a king. Yeah. Yeah. NFL football is just mutants everywhere on every team. The speed, the agility, you know, every year they have the NFL combine and you see the guys like lift and broad jump and do all these drills and they do that crazy drill where they catch the ball and they turn the other side and catch the ball. And like some of these guys just fly right through it.
Starting point is 01:00:26 Picture perfect, they catch it every, you know, it's, I think, you know, for a lot of Americans that grew up like watching football, it's probably the easiest sport for them to like sort of identify with. And when they watch it and they see these certain athletes do certain things, I think it's easy for them to say like, oh, that's remarkable.
Starting point is 01:00:46 Whereas when maybe if they're watching maybe something like soccer or watching something, a sport that they're not used to watching, they don't know what to look for in terms of like what's spectacular. I think it's taken a long time for the UFC to get the respect that it deserves. I think that that, I mean, this could be,
Starting point is 01:01:03 maybe we did a show like that before, but I think that that, I mean, this could be, maybe we did a show like that before, but I think that that is probably the hardest sport in the world. And that's where you, you know, you'd start to see this whole thing flip a little bit. Cause I think that it would be interesting to take an NBA or an NFL player and have them try a bodybuilding diet
Starting point is 01:01:21 and have them do like a bodybuilding prep. And they would probably come and tell you after they did that, if they did it at like 95% or even 90%, they'd probably come back and tell you, that's the hardest fucking thing I ever did. Cause it's, I mean, it can be very difficult. Obviously you get, you know, if you do something for longer, I'm sure maybe the bodybuilding preps get a little easier.
Starting point is 01:01:42 I don't know, does it get any easier? Yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah. That's good to know. You know, but something that you were saying there that I think again, it would like, it would maybe change the way that we view
Starting point is 01:01:54 all of these sports. It's just like the amount of money, like what if CrossFit had the amount of money that NBA players had? What type of people would you then be seeing in CrossFit? And then how would that change the way you look at like the freakiest athletes? Because it's like, I'm thinking about gymnastics,
Starting point is 01:02:10 which is coming up right now, right? You see some freaks in gymnastics, but there's like outside of like Olympic gymnastics, there's not much money in the sport. And it's one of those things where it's like, gymnastics is like a base that a lot of, like when you see a lot of people that have done well in CrossFit and other things,
Starting point is 01:02:29 a lot of them have maybe had a gymnast base, they have ability to control their body. Great gymnasts are probably gonna be great rock climbers. It's one of those things where it's just like, if you're good at gymnastics, you're probably gonna be good at a lot of other things just cause you have great body control. Remember that dude came here
Starting point is 01:02:42 and he did a back flip and flip flops? Yes, right? And he was actually pretty big. Who was that? You weren't here to see him, he was out there in the back. Just some dude, he works at Davis Diamonds. And he's a gymnast and he just came by,
Starting point is 01:03:00 I think he knows Graham's wife a little bit or something like that because they train people out of that facility. And so anyway, he hit up, yeah, he just like, was telling us he does gymnastics. He's like, you want to see a back flip? We're like, sure. Yeah, he just randomly did a back flip.
Starting point is 01:03:17 Man, and with gymnastics, I mean, like with the flips, the body control, the things that these people are doing, I mean, that does take athleticism. Like it truly does. I don't think you can be a good gymnast and not be a good athlete. I think they're freaks. I would put them like maybe in that second category.
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Starting point is 01:04:33 No, this looks like handball. Yeah, this is handball. Handballs? Handball... What is handball? Is that where you hit the ball against the wall? I think it's a... And then the guy's got to return it off the wall.
Starting point is 01:04:44 Yeah, I think so. Let's look it up real quick. I think it's a, and then the guys got to return it off the wall. Yeah, I think so. Let's look at it real quick. I think it's just like racquetball with your hand. Just look up handball highlights real quick. It's right there. Handball highlights. Handball highlights. We're going to be watching this all day.
Starting point is 01:04:57 Handball highlights. Olympic, it's an Olympic sport. Hey. I'm fucking out. I'm like, this better not be the blind one that I was fucking up with. No, wait, what the hell is this? Didn't Lewis Howes play handball? Wasn't he a handball guy?
Starting point is 01:05:15 Wait, do I not know what handball is then? No, you're on handball. This is handball. Wait, this is like soccer? See, I told you. Aren't you happy you looked it up now? Yeah. Yeah, see? Dude, I was about to go't you happy you looked it up now? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Yeah, see? Dude, I was about to go and fuck this sport up. Little blue ball. Oh, dude. Look at that, this looks fun. It's kind of like rugby, except you're not tackling each other, right? Dude, I gotta get into this.
Starting point is 01:05:40 Wow. This looks kind of sick. This looks like soccer with your hands. Yeah, you eliminate the hardest part about soccer and you just use your hands. It's like football with soccer. Wait, that's the same thing. So you're throwing, you're running.
Starting point is 01:05:55 It's like they lacrosse it, like with hockey, right? And they like get rid of the ice, shit's too hard. All right, now I'm going to pick and choose the rule. We were talking about the sport, the freakiest athletes. You got some athletes in handball. I'm not even close to the freakiest. When has handball ever, what? And we just heard of it.
Starting point is 01:06:13 So I put it at the tier before the state of your lane. Dude, the hair is dope. Looks fun though. Amazing. Dude, I got to get into this. I'm just thinking like as humans in general, we just have way too much time on our hands. That hair is dope. Looks fun though. Amazing. Dude, I gotta get into this. I'm just thinking like as humans in general, we just have way too much time on our hands.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Like what the fuck are we watching right now? What is this? Dude, I'm going to the next Olympics. Look at this guy's hair. That's great. You know he's good. He's got crazy hair like that? Yeah, all right, sorry.
Starting point is 01:06:40 Where the fuck I am now? Here we go. All right, we're putting in at lower? What do you think, lower? Yeah, it's gotta be as low as possible. Okay, we can go lower than low. Well, I mean, think about it, you're still running. There's people listening.
Starting point is 01:06:54 Is it more athleticism than golf? Right? Probably more athleticism than golf. And there are gonna be some people that are mad when we say it has more athleticism than bodybuilding, but I'd say a bodybuilder on that handball court would not apply. They don't do well. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:08 Yeah. Why do they jump? I don't get that part. Maybe you have to jump. Oh, it's part of like, you have to jump when scoring. Oh, you got to jump. I got to look up the rules. I don't know when the next Olympics is. This reminds me as like a kid, just like playing in the pool,
Starting point is 01:07:26 like making up rules on the fly. You can't do that that way. As soon as you start losing, you change the rules. And this is the thing, man, I keep taking things away from bodybuilding, but like, you just like, even you look at a bodybuilder running, look at a bodybuilder trying to jump, like it's, when we think of athleticism in the way we're talking about athleticism right now, it's not athletic. It's impressive.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Don't get me wrong. I don't want to take anything away from bodybuilders. It's impressive to look at, but it's as far as like athletic movement is not, it's not there. I also want to say, you know, when we've mentioned this many times on many podcasts, but I think it's always worth bringing up. Not everyone, when they do bodybuilding or powerlifting, has to lose their ability to have athleticism.
Starting point is 01:08:09 True. There might be a regression, kind of almost no matter what you do, even if you kept playing football and you kept bodybuilding or you kept doing soccer and kept bodybuilding, like maybe the soccer, maybe some of the way that you kick the ball and maybe some different things would change a little bit,
Starting point is 01:08:24 but they don't have to. And it's just kind of up to you. So I just think that's always worth mentioning because I know we've talked a lot about how to like gain athleticism. And one of the best ways to gain athleticism is to do it from the time you're young and learn it when you're young
Starting point is 01:08:41 and have it kind of embedded into your body and then just never lose it. Never turn your back on it for long enough to where it dissipates or disappears. Looks like we got hockey next. Oh, yeah. Shit. Skating around on ice. Think about like... That's a lot of skill.
Starting point is 01:08:59 That's a lot of skill, but then also like there's a lot of like... When you see the range of motion their legs get into as they're skating at those high speeds, that like, I wonder what that feels like. I've never skated like that before, but man, it's not easy. I've skated on ice so- I'd say hockey has to be right up there with the NBA and NFL.
Starting point is 01:09:17 Yeah? I think so. I think it's just, I just don't think it gets any respect. It's a tough ass sport. I agree. There's a tough sport. I agree. Um, there's a lot of contact in it. There's nearly as many games. They have nearly as many games as basketball, which is unbelievable because like the NFL,
Starting point is 01:09:34 you know, has like a fourth of the games or something, right? It's got like 16, 17 games. And I think each period is like 15 minutes. There's three of them. So each game's 45 minutes. I had to do math. And also, speaking more upon like the athletes being freaks, the athletes a lot of times are huge.
Starting point is 01:09:52 I don't think people know that. A lot of these hockey players are 6'4", 6'5". It's not uncommon for them to be 2'30", 2'40", 2'50". I mean, there's some big motherfuckers out there. It's wild. A lot of pro hockey players could probably be pro football players. Right. Right?
Starting point is 01:10:10 I mean, I don't watch much hockey. I'm looking at some stuff right now. I have a long time friend that has trained a lot of hockey players. We should try to get him on the show. His name is TR. He trains people out of Gold's Gym in Venice. And he's trained like, I don't know, maybe like 20 hall of fame hockey players. So he definitely knows what's up. I know all of our Canadian listeners are probably pretty
Starting point is 01:10:34 pumped that we're putting hockey up top, but I think it just, it just has to go there. I mean, it's, it's a brutal sport. Yeah. I just know that like it, whatever reason doesn't hit general my population for Americans But like when you watch especially the playoffs It might be the most exciting sport to watch. It's fast It's just hard because we're stupid and we like we gotta follow this black dot on the screen and I lost it Therefore I lost my attention but like it's um It's it's wild dude, it's really good stuff.
Starting point is 01:11:06 Just on a random note, I think I saw that the WNBA signed a deal for $200 million. Kaitlin Clark's bringing in that money. Yeah, a media deal. I was like, wow, good for them, that's fucking cool. It's because of Clayton Clark, you heard her, right? Yeah. And everybody fucking hates her.
Starting point is 01:11:24 Dude, she's like MJ.. Everybody fucking hates her. Dude. She's like MJ. She's badass. I feel like it's so sad because like, people are trying to take it away from her saying like, you know, she got a big contract even before she got into WNBA and some players like, oh, it's cause she's white or whatever.
Starting point is 01:11:37 It's cause she like, she plays like Steph Curry. Yeah, she's fucking dope. You know, she's amazing. Yeah. It's like that crabs in a bucket right now with the WNBA. She's, yeah, anyway, I've never ever, let me make sure. Yep. Never paid attention to the WNBA until Caitlin Clark. Same.
Starting point is 01:11:58 I think it's actually, I think it's really cool. I think, you know, it's a change, you know, when you watch Sports Center, like I drop in on Sports Center every once in a while just to like try to follow some shit on sports. I'm just, I don't always love seeing like political shit or the news in general. So I just like to watch just sports sometimes because it doesn't really matter that much or mean much, but I do like to kind of keep up with it a little bit. I love watching like athletics and shit like that. And there's been so many more like, and especially with the Olympics coming up,
Starting point is 01:12:31 because there's been so much more stuff with women on it. I'm thinking like, that's a change for me, for my old ass. And so it's a little different. I don't want to sit there and watch that very long. However, I think it's fucking awesome and I think it's great for especially You know young women that are watching that and they they know how they now have people to emulate you're getting soft on us Yeah, is this a power walking?
Starting point is 01:12:58 Power walking you got to move your hips or is it just I think maybe maybe it's marathon running because I see something like sprinting. So I guess they separated track and field and just, unfortunately. So there's a great clip of power walking with the guy from Breaking Bad. What's that guy? Brian? Brian Cranston.
Starting point is 01:13:20 Brian Cranston. I don't know if you can look that up, but it's in a show from a long time ago. It's hilarious. Malcolm in the Middle? Malcolm in the Middle. Is that what it is? I remember, I just remember him from Malcolm in the Middle.
Starting point is 01:13:33 That's, oh, that must be. Oh man, this is amazing. You have any audio on it? Yeah. Oh God. Dad? Huey. Power walking.
Starting point is 01:13:55 It's like watching the gods return to Olympus. Oh, hi. Hello. Excuse me. Hey. What is this called? We're race walking. I've never seen anything like it. The style, the grace. the The International Race Walking Federation supposed to have one foot on the ground at all times. And your front leg must remain straight till it's completely under you. Something like this. Hey, I think you've got it.
Starting point is 01:14:32 Look at that, guys, I think we got ourselves a natural. Hey! He like loses his mind. I can walk! So I think after seeing that clip, if walking wasn't on the list, it now needs to be on the list, then just put it right to the top.
Starting point is 01:14:50 Cause those are obviously high level. High level. Some freaky ass athletes. You gotta be able to swim with those hips. Yeah. That ain't easy. You gotta have the, mobility, I guess.
Starting point is 01:15:01 If marathon running, it's gotta be bottom of the barrel. It's cool from an endurance standpoint and what people can do and what they can handle. It's awesome, but you're not going to see the freakiest like athletes as we, I guess, view athletes. Current, like in this tier list of how we're viewing athletes, okay? That's all.
Starting point is 01:15:24 Yeah, because you want an athlete to have power, you want them to have explosiveness, you want them to be able to rotate and like all these other things. And a lot of marathon runners, I think you'll find that they're pretty like busted up. They are, yeah. I think this next one is MMA.
Starting point is 01:15:37 It doesn't look like just boxing, MMA? Yeah, MMA. All right, MMA man, I'd put it like, I'd put at least athletic. I don't, okay, so you see some like athletic guys. MMA, man, I'd put it like, I'd put at least athletic. I don't, I don't, okay. So you see some like athletic guys in MMA, very athletic guys in MMA, but I don't think you see the freakiest of the freaky
Starting point is 01:15:53 just because MMA doesn't invite the ability for there to be a mass pool of just people that are doing a sport. Along with that, like most kids that are like, again, really good athletes are heading into the other sports. So you'll see some freaky athletes in MMA, but you're not seeing, I don't know, I'd say athletic.
Starting point is 01:16:14 Yeah, I think so as well. I think there's not enough money in the sport. There's like, to say there's security in pro sports is like not the right word really. But I think that people know that if you make it in the NFL, you're able to get drafted and you're able to play a little bit in the NFL. You play for a couple of years, you can make a living off of that and you can kind of pivot into doing some other things. But you'll make, you know, I think the league minimum is like 350k and then you
Starting point is 01:16:45 get paid like an extra 150k for every year you're in the league. So if you can hang on, you'll make some decent money. MMA doesn't have anything like that. You know, maybe you get like a couple fight contract. I have no idea what the money looks like, but it's nothing crazy. And I think even like Bones Jones, who's considered one of the all time greats, I think the amount of money that he made in MMA, I don't think is, I think most people would be surprised to learn that he's the best of the best and hasn't made hundreds of millions of dollars from the sport like someone like maybe Conor McGregor
Starting point is 01:17:20 was able to do. Sounds good, yeah, but athletic. All right, what's the next one? Tennis or is that pickleball? That looks like pickleball. All right, just stay in your lane. Did they not put tennis on? Yeah, it's on here.
Starting point is 01:17:36 Oh, it is? Okay. Somewhere, I just saw, yeah, right here. We can just go straight to tennis if you want. Let's take pickleball real quick. You put pickleball on stay in your lane already? Yeah. Okay. I's take pickleball real quick. You put pickleball on Stain Your Lane already? Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:46 I think that pickleball probably requires a decent amount of athleticism, but I think one of the draws to it is that it's... It's a close court. Yeah, it's slower than tennis, right? So it's the reason why it got popular is that it's like, it's a little more chill, like it's not as hard as tennis. Yeah, you can get, and that's the great thing.
Starting point is 01:18:06 That's why I keep telling people, hey, try some pickleball. Because you can be old and... I never tried it. You guys played it at all? Uh-uh. I haven't. I watched it though. Pickleball is like, it's cool though,
Starting point is 01:18:17 because you get that lateral movement, your eyes having to watch this thing, you're going to be swinging racket. It's a great sport. And a lot of stopping and starting. Like that shit's not easy to do. What's this next one, NC Mike? That looks like powerlifting.
Starting point is 01:18:29 That's a guy in front of a deadlift bar. Mark, you take it away for this one. Oh my God. I don't wanna. Powerlifting? Powerlifting goes right to the top, bro. Powerlifting, you know, it's, as Louis Simmons once said, it's a sport for the rest of us.
Starting point is 01:18:47 I mean, like we weren't able to make it doing anything else. And so I think it goes at the bottom. It goes into the stay in your lane. However, I do think that occasionally we get graced with an amazing athlete that just hasn't been exposed to playing other sports that, you know, maybe they didn that maybe they didn't excel at a sport, maybe they didn't find a sport. But I think some like Larry Wills comes to mind, I think he just has a very unconventional upbringing.
Starting point is 01:19:15 I mean, he was younger, and I think if that guy played football or something, I mean, it seemed like he was built for some of that stuff. He was. And there's a lot of athletes that are pretty awesome in powerlifting, but I would say in my time in powerlifting, it was rare for me to even ever learn
Starting point is 01:19:39 that anyone had like any crazy athletic background ever. You know, like Steph Cohen, she did some, she did some, played some soccer. And I think she played it like a pretty good level. Yeah, yeah. So props to her and like, that's cool. But like, aside from that, I can't really, you know, Ed Cohen wasn't like, oh, you know, I, you know,
Starting point is 01:20:01 played hockey for 15 years and then decided like powerlifting school. So it's really rare to see anybody from powerlifting have this amazing like background in some other sport. But that doesn't mean it doesn't require some skill and some athleticism, but I think it's more like skill and time and perseverance to do what they do in bodybuilding,
Starting point is 01:20:24 which is kind of do the same thing over and over again, which in and of itself is a skill, but strength is just something that's accumulated over like a long period of time. And powerlifting in particular doesn't really require you to even be like explosive. It doesn't require any rotation. It doesn't require like,
Starting point is 01:20:44 what I mean why it doesn't require explosiveness, maybe it doesn't require any rotation. It doesn't require like, what I mean why it doesn't require explosiveness, maybe doesn't require explosiveness the same way that you might need for Olympic lifting. So if you're gonna Olympic lift, it makes sense to probably, you know, work on some jumps and some things like that. And you can make an argument that that would be something
Starting point is 01:20:59 decent to work on with power lifting, but it's just unconventional. You don't see it as much from power lifters. They're gonna lift a lot slower, a lot more controlled. And so yeah, power lifting, as much as I love it, it's at the bottom. All right, this next one I think is rowing. I'm just gonna put that at the bottom.
Starting point is 01:21:17 I don't think rowers aren't athletic, but at the same time, it's one of those things where it's kind of like cycling, where you're very good at doing this high, high probably lung capacity and endurance, but it's not. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm sure that I would suck at it. And I'm sure that if the three of us were in a boat
Starting point is 01:21:35 trying to figure out how to like get it to go straight, it probably wouldn't work out very well. Exactly. So the difficulty of it is probably very high and the endurance that it takes is probably remarkable, but yeah, staying in lane. Rugby. Oh, rugby. Rugby has to go, I think, athletic at least.
Starting point is 01:21:57 The reason why I say it's athletic is because I feel like, okay, I think the freakiest field football type players are gonna probably play in the NFL. And then there are probably a lot of freaks in rugby that could play in the NFL, but not the other way around, right? Cause rugby and football are very similar sports, except there's one element that's missing, right? So. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:20 Yeah. And there was that running back that he came from rugby. I forgot his name. He ended up playing for the Niners for a little bit. He did okay for about a season. And then after that, I don't remember what happened to him, but kind of never heard of from him again. But you don't, I mean, I can't think of anybody else. Maybe I'm way off.
Starting point is 01:22:40 I think it's happening a little bit more where people are getting recruited from rugby cool to come into the NFL I'm not sure about the other way around The other way around wouldn't really make as much sense because of financial Like I just there's probably money in rugby, but probably not NFL money Yeah, but you know also things seems because again, I've seen a lot like rugby highlights There are some fast really strong freaks and rugby. You know what I mean? It's a rugby highlights. There are some fast freaks, strong freaks in rugby. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:23:06 It's a nasty sport. Those athletes are amazing. Andrew, see if you can look that up though. I do think like just more recently, especially like this year, I think there was like at least one or two people drafted from rugby into the NFL. And it's not like they don't have any football experience,
Starting point is 01:23:26 American football experience, but they just had very little. But one of the reasons why they were selected, I think, was just because they were so athletic. They were like, this guy is gonna be awesome regardless of how much he knows about the sport. Yeah, it's one of those things with football only being in America that like rugby, I mean, I'm pretty sure it's played in a bunch of other different countries.
Starting point is 01:23:45 I know there's football in Europe, but like, I mean, I don't know, people are paying attention to rugby. Rugby's played everywhere, yeah. Right, so it's, maybe we should put that at freak. Cause like there's, I mean, thinking about how it's played in a lot of other places and it's very similar to sports and football,
Starting point is 01:23:58 there's probably like a lot of freaks in rugby. So we should probably switch rugby. So someone named Travis Clayton from this year, he's one that made the crossover. From rugby to football. Yeah, and then Lewis Reese Zamet, he'll be playing for the Chiefs. Oh cool.
Starting point is 01:24:16 Oh, running back, yeah. Damn, that'll be exciting for him. Yeah, let's switch it. All right, so we're moving it to... Freak athletics, yeah. Yeah, rugby players always have fucking jacked legs. I think there's a component to rugby that's way different than football.
Starting point is 01:24:30 I think it probably takes a lot more endurance because I think like the average play, like I think their play is more like a soccer play. They're always running the option. Yeah, yeah, it just doesn't stop really. And how awesome is a scrum? You ever seen a scrum? Is it the thing where they get it in the-
Starting point is 01:24:48 Yeah, just the name scrum sounds great. Sounds kind of nasty. I've heard people say it's actually gross. The scrum is actually disgusting. It stinks. That makes total sense. Everyone all together just sweating their ass off. Leaning on each other, breathing on each other, everything.
Starting point is 01:25:07 All righty. That's the stuff. Moving on. Skateboarding. Scoot booting. Lots of skill. They do have to be athletic. Do they?
Starting point is 01:25:17 Yeah. I mean, at the X Games, I mean, you know. OK, OK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, yeah, I'm not talking about stoners on the corner. You're right. And you see, the fact that my mind goes to just like... Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:31 I would say like right off the bat, it's attracting very athletic people from a very young age. Yeah. You know, I think there's some of the other, you know, skaters before them kind of set this precedent that you can make money in the sport and there's very young athletes in some of these extreme sports that are like making like really good money. So I think that it does attract a lot of freaks. It's just not the freaks we're used to
Starting point is 01:25:59 seeing. It's a different type. What's the dude that's like the best in the team? Tony Hawk? Or like the legendary Tony Hawk, but I don't know who's. The younger guy, he's not young anymore really, but he's got like red hair. God damn, we don't know shit. He won snowboarding and he won skateboarding. I think he did both. Oh, Slater, right? Kelly Slater? Kelly Slater? No, that's he did both. Oh, Slater, right?
Starting point is 01:26:25 Kelly Slater? No, that's a surfer. Oh, fucking hell. Close enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, like. Rodney Mullen. He's great.
Starting point is 01:26:35 He's another good one. I don't know what I'm talking about. Dang, but I do know who you're talking, I can see the. Danny Way. The dude's face. Sammy the Snowboard Man. Sammy, Sammy, the snowboard man, Sammy Sosa. That's his name. Yeah. Anyway, uh, you know, because of what the sport requires,
Starting point is 01:26:53 um, these athletes aren't, you know, six, three and 240 pounds and stuff like that. They're, they're much smaller. So it's a different type of athlete. It's gonna maybe be more along the like, well, maybe not as small as some gymnasts, but it's gonna be a much smaller athlete. This is pretty cool. So we were talking about Tony Hawk. Took him forever to figure out how to do the 900, right? So three full rotations.
Starting point is 01:27:22 That's insane. This girl, I think how old is she? Jesus, that's so cool. Young, super duper young. And she was able to do it. I'll have to get her age, but what is it? Damn it. How does it say?
Starting point is 01:27:37 I just wouldn't even ever try that. I'm so scared. Nine years old. Nine years old. Doing a 900. Wow. Yo. This just shows. Get along. Nine years old. Nine years old? Doing a 900. Wow. Yo.
Starting point is 01:27:46 This just shows how far that sport's come. Yeah. Like, when you think about it, Tony Hawk's like, maybe a Roger Bannister of the sport, right? He's done some legendary stuff. And then you just see a nine-year-old do it nowadays. Doesn't mean it's not impressive, but it's just people are breaking those records.
Starting point is 01:28:02 Is Sean White? Sean White. Okay, there we go. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, Sean White, at first glance, you're not like, he's going to be some spectacular athlete. But he's fucking incredible. All right, so what do we put it, lower or stay in your lane?
Starting point is 01:28:17 Stay in your lane, yeah. Okay, stay in your lane. Oh man, the extreme athletes are pissed. Yeah, and I think this is snowboarding, right? I think all extreme snowboarding, right? I think all extreme sports definitely needs to go higher than that though. Cause I think, I just think, you know, if we're going with like freak athletes, okay, it's not attracting the normal typical freak athlete that we're probably thinking of for
Starting point is 01:28:38 like the big three or big four sports. But it is pretty well known worldwide. And these people can do shit that is, the stuff that they can do, you know, can blow your fucking mind. It's like a combination of like gymnastics mixed in with like a board and they're doing like tricks and shit and flips and like sometimes like in snowboarding or,
Starting point is 01:29:04 you know, so I think a combination of a risk. That's why it's called extreme. There's a big element of risk. You fall the wrong way, you tear your shit to shreds. So snowboarding. It's a certain breed of athletes. So I would, I would bumper up at least. Moderate.
Starting point is 01:29:20 Yeah. I feel like, yeah. Let's bump it up to moderate. At the very least, yeah. All right, cool. So snowboarding same? Yeah. Yeah, we got avalanches and shit. What's this?
Starting point is 01:29:30 I can't see that far. All right, let's see. The soccer association? Yeah, it is. Soccer? Football association, yeah. Yeah, soccer's an interesting one because like there's a, I mean, high element of endurance.
Starting point is 01:29:44 You can be very fast. There's 11 people on the field, just like any other sport. There's a, I mean, high element of endurance. You can be very fast. There's 11 people on the field, just like any other sport, there's a big team. So it's like, you can have certain positions that are super athletes like Christiano Nauto, Neymar, Messi, right? They're probably very healthy, a lot of soccer players. Extremely.
Starting point is 01:30:03 Their VO2 max is probably really high. Extremely. Speed, endurance, coordination, dexterity. But generally like a jack of all trades in terms of an athlete, right? But I guess when people- They play it worldwide. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:22 There's a lot of money in it. It would be minimum athletic. It would be minimum athletic. It would be minimum athletic. But the cool thing about soccer though is that you don't need to be the absolute fastest to be a good soccer player. You don't need to have the crazy jump ability. There's a lot of guys on the field. For example, Carles Puyo, who was on Barcelona, he was just a great defender.
Starting point is 01:30:44 He could catch up to people. He was a great leader on the field, but he wasn't necessarily the best type of athlete. Right? And it's like, you have a team of people that can account for maybe someone who's not as athletic. That's why there's a team. So, I put it between athlete and freak athlete
Starting point is 01:31:01 in terms of what you see, but I'd put it at athlete. I don't know. I think maybe just because the sheer size of people that you see in football and basketball and these bigger sports where it's just like. What did you see when you played soccer? Did you see like people being able to run like crazy times or did you see demonstrations of athleticism
Starting point is 01:31:23 where you were like, holy fuck. Like just some of the people you're around, did you notice demonstrations of athleticism where you were like, holy fuck. Like just some of the people you were around, did you notice some of that? Well, absolutely. Like there are guys who just like have way quicker feet than other guys where they're able to just do certain things with the ball at such high speeds. Like that is just shocking.
Starting point is 01:31:39 To be able to run at almost top speed with a ball at your feet while not letting the ball be taken away from you by an opponent who's like, who doesn speed with a ball at your feet while not letting the ball be taken away from you by an opponent who doesn't have a ball at their feet, that's a high level of precision and speed and that's pretty impressive. But then it's like when you think of it compared to another thing like again, NBA NFL, it's like, ah. So it's up there, I don't necessarily know.
Starting point is 01:32:04 And again, it's a worldwide sport. It is probably the highest paying sport in the world because it's so worldwide. It's one of those things where maybe because there's just such a big pool, even though it doesn't have like six, nine guys playing the sport, it still has like some freaks that are playing the sport, right? I put it at Freak Athlete, you're right. I put it at freak athlete, you're right. I put it out freak athlete.
Starting point is 01:32:25 I think it's interesting like what you have to do like for the sport. Like I do realize there's a lot of training that you could do for soccer and it would probably help a lot. But it seems like there's just like a lot of running. And so like, it seems like drills and soccer, it seems like more of that is probably your best bet.
Starting point is 01:32:46 In something like football, like American football, it's tough to simulate. It's not wise to play the sport that much because you get so fucked up. Because there's so much like contact. And what ends up happening with a lot of athletes that play football is they end up with a lot of athletes that play football is they end up doing a lot of other stuff. So they'll sprint and they'll lift
Starting point is 01:33:11 and they do things like that. And then the same is true with track and field is interesting because it's kind of the same thing. You can only do so many sprints. So then you're left with, you got to go in the weight room. You got to lift. The same gotta go in the weight room. You gotta lift. The same is true with the shot put. And shot putters are like, I've seen,
Starting point is 01:33:31 whenever somebody tells me that they train shot putters, they train with shot putters, or they used to be a thrower, I'm always like, holy fuck, this guy's probably a mutant athlete. I'm like, oh, you could probably jump like crazy. They're like, oh yeah, I can dunk a basketball easily. Every single time, they are like these freak people that can do all kinds of crazy stuff.
Starting point is 01:33:49 They can lift heavy weights, they can jump high. They are usually pretty proficient at Olympic lifts, but that's mainly because they're sport. It doesn't lend itself to you playing it. You obviously need to spend a lot of time playing it, but it can be to your detriment very quickly. Like how many throws can you do at a hundred percent before you're like, and so those guys,
Starting point is 01:34:13 they probably, the answer is probably none. Like they probably don't throw at a hundred percent most of the time. And it's probably like one out of every four workouts where they put that much intensity into something and the rest of the time is spent lifting. So it's interesting, cause like the soccer players very well could be
Starting point is 01:34:33 freak athletes in like other ways, but maybe it's just not really ever like seen because they don't maybe have as much time to do some of the other lifting and some of the other things. I'm just kind of proposing that because the sport itself seems like it's a sport that's going to have you moving around so much that it's gonna be kind of hard to hold on
Starting point is 01:34:53 to like muscle mass and strength. Yeah, the thing about sock players is one thing you'll notice is that a lot of them have like legs for days. So they're kind of like cyclists in terms of the way that their bodies look, but there's a, again, depending on the position, because defenders may not move as much as like a midfielder who's moving up and down the field all day long.
Starting point is 01:35:10 But there's a lot of sprinting, stopping, sprinting, stopping, like being super explosive and then like having to chill for a second. So I don't, yeah, but I think because it's a sport that is so worldwide, that has so many like high level professional leagues, there's a lot of freaky athletes. Like it lends itself to a lot of like, like really athletic dudes that are very, very fast.
Starting point is 01:35:36 So I put it up there. You got it. Yeah. Sumo wrestling. Doesn't mean you need to be super athletic to play soccer, but yeah. Sumo wrestling. Sum yeah, sumo. Sumo wrestling, sumo wrestling's awesome.
Starting point is 01:35:47 I don't know anything about it. Pull up a couple of clips, it's so much fun. I don't know what the hell's going on either, but I just love the yelling. They're, you know, sumo wrestlers are very fucking huge and a lot of times are very mobile. They're also very quick. It can kind of be viewed as maybe like a grappling sport.
Starting point is 01:36:13 There's a lot of contact. Jesus Christ. Oh, that guy in the, wow. Oh my God. Those, dude, those are. They're fine as just titties. Yeah. And those are some.
Starting point is 01:36:23 Nice tits, Doc. Can you rewind please don't worry about my right hand don't trip about it yeah all I'm seeing is titties and a thong this is great I told you the sports great I'm trying to tell Oh, see ya! Dang! The old Olay. That made the sport look not as athletic. You just get out the way. Oh yeah, these guys, they look like their back hurts so bad. They're so fat, they gotta like do that backward, like lean movement.
Starting point is 01:36:58 Yeah. That would be hard. I got fucked up, bro. Shit. Didn't somebody? Craig Jones. It was. Craig Jones and Nick Roderigo, they went and did some sumo.
Starting point is 01:37:10 I love that these guys, like their diet and stuff, like a lot of stuff's like opposite. You know, like they like eat in the middle of the night and they, you know, they just, sleeping is obviously great for like gaining some size and some muscle, but they sleep like 10 hours a day or something like that, or 11 hours a day or something like that.
Starting point is 01:37:31 I'm curious. I want like, how did the sport like start and like, why are they all wearing G-strings? It started in Japan. It's a historical sport. It's like one of their pastimes. I know, but I'm just saying like. Maybe like, so at one point, I bet you they were like doing this naked
Starting point is 01:37:50 and they were like, yo, like, this is too weird. We've got to cover up. And so the option was like this G-string type thing. And it was probably a better option than being naked. All right, well, let's call it by its proper thing because I feel like Sumo has such a rich history that I don't want to disrespect it by calling it a G-string. Oh yeah, because we're gonna get smacked
Starting point is 01:38:11 by one of these fucking Sumo wrestlers right in the face. Yeah, we're in their thongs, yeah. Oh my, you know what? For all the Sumo lovers in the audience and all of our fellow Japanese listeners, for all, whoever you are, I wanna say that I do not endorse the thoughts of Andrew Zaragoza and Martell
Starting point is 01:38:29 calling it a thong and a cheese string. You guys put soccer over baseball and we're Americans. Oh my God. Let's get that Cisco in. Oh yeah. What is the thing called though? Dude, banana hammock. He called it a thing. That's so offensive. I didn't call it a hammock? He called it a thing? That's so offensive.
Starting point is 01:38:45 I didn't call it a thong. He called it a thing. So how are you guys gonna rate this? It's a... Man. The loin cloth that Sumoers is rare is... It's called a gi. It's called a mawashi.
Starting point is 01:38:59 A mawashi. A mawashi. Hell yeah, you better mawashi that. No, things. I'm pretty rank We're so dumb early some stuff We're not bright yeah, oh Man, that shit would be hard that you know, it's it's interesting. It's Man, that shit would be hard to fuck that. You know, it's, I don't know, it's interesting.
Starting point is 01:39:24 It's... Those guys don't have small legs. No, they don't. And they're definitely explosive. And I mean, I know we're seeing them make each other fall, but the thing is, is like, most people are not gonna... They have such a good level of balance and base, that you, no one, like, an average person,
Starting point is 01:39:41 or even an athletic person, is not gonna make a sumo wrestler fall. No. Right? They have such a good understanding of how to keep their base. I just had a vision of David Weck coming up here and being all excited about like getting us all to sumo wrestle.
Starting point is 01:39:53 I figured out something new and we all gotta try. Okay, and let's think about this too. Like a sumo wrestler, cause like when we think about powerlifting, it's very strong, right? And a barbell is not going to make them tip over, but they're probably easy to tip over. A sumo wrestler may have the build of a powerlifter,
Starting point is 01:40:12 but they have much more athleticism. You get what I'm saying? So I want to put sumo at the... I put it at moderate. I put it wherever we put jiu-jitsu. See if you can find sumo wrestlers like training, because it'd be interesting to see like, what are these guys doing?
Starting point is 01:40:29 Like weight training or something. Be interesting to see like, what the heck else they're doing. Yo, this looks way more. Yeah, those guys were more explosive. Yeah, they're always doing those squat things. Yeah. Like the horse stance thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:40:48 I wonder. Shuffling. Yeah, they're doing all this like mobility drills. Oh. Oh. Yeah, it takes a lot of mobility, a lot of, and a ton of strength. I would just put it low because I just don't think there's enough participants
Starting point is 01:41:07 in it for it to have real freaks. Let's put, yeah, let's put Andrew where you had, where you had Jiu Jitsu. Where is that, that low? That's lower. Right here, right? Yeah. Looks demoralizing too, just get like,
Starting point is 01:41:22 you're trying not to get pushed back by the other guy, but you're just losing ground. You're trying not to get pushed back by the other guy, but you're just like losing ground Mm-hmm. You're like getting thrown around push back. We're so damn. Mm-hmm. Whoa. Whoa. Oh, there you go Yeah Well, what is a somersault? Basic back summer back handspring, right? There you go back handspring I want to have a serious conversation with you about your balls, and I'm being serious here.
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Starting point is 01:43:01 Swimming. All right, next is swimming. This is an interesting one. The athletes are freaky, especially at the top of swimming, you know, the way they're able to maneuver themselves through water. Right? Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:43:20 Sometimes when you think of swimming, you know, I start to kind of think of like track, because there's like so many different events in swimming. There's a lot of different strokes, there's a lot of different things that they do. So they're not like, their shoulders move in a lot of different directions. Yeah, so are their ankles.
Starting point is 01:43:40 Yeah, their ankles, their feet. There's a lot to it. It's pretty popular. Obviously it is a worldwide sport.. It's pretty popular. Obviously, it is a worldwide sport. The barrier of entry is like not crazy, but you do need a swimming pool to be able to go to. I would just probably put it on a lower end just because I just don't think there's enough people maybe participating in it that are that are like really athletic. Like I see a lot of older people in swimming.
Starting point is 01:44:09 I already know where you're going. I see a lot of white folks in swimming. I don't see many people that are... There's something missing from swimming. You see? Okay, now you gotta pull it up. There was a video the other day that surfaced, and so in order to allow any country to participate,
Starting point is 01:44:49 they had, I forget what country it was, they had a black guy swim and he like barely fucking made it. But it was in the Olympics. And he, but he didn't qualify even though he, so he actually, he won because everyone else fall started and he won his thing, but his time was so bad, they couldn't advance him any further. Maybe it's like from Cameroon or something,
Starting point is 01:45:13 some country like that. It's amazing, cause he's dying, but he didn't have access to like, he didn't have access to like a regular pool. He just like learned how to swim from like some fishermen or something. What would I even search?
Starting point is 01:45:28 Black guy drowning in Olympics? Yeah. You said everyone lost or everyone else? Yeah, everyone else fall started. So everyone, yeah. Yeah, everyone DQ'd already and he's by himself now. And so he, obviously he won. He's not doing too good.
Starting point is 01:45:51 Oh shit. This video's fucked up. I don't know. The fucking title, how he embodies the Olympic spirit. That ain't cool though. I don't think I could do better, but man. Did he say where country he's from? Oh, that was the same man.
Starting point is 01:46:12 The comments. His flag. Oh my God. Equatorial New Guinea. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:20 Okay. Oh man. This, this part. This part's fucked up. Oh, okay. Equatorial New Guinea? Yeah, yeah, I think that's it. Yeah, okay. Oh man. This part here. This part's fucked up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:46:30 Oh fuck. Dude, honestly, I haven't swam in a long time. It's the bone density. I tried, I was like, wow, dude, I forgot how to swim. This is why I swim with flippers on. Because. Ah, what his legs are like there. I don't wanna say that black people can't't do it but maybe this ranks swimming up higher
Starting point is 01:47:01 We finally found somebody. Yeah, put it at Freakiest Athlete. Put something over at Freakiest Athlete. Shit. You got no black people doing it. It's because it's too good for us. That's why. Put it at Freakiest Athlete. What about water polo?
Starting point is 01:47:22 Please like, subscribe, comment, and keep us on air. Oh my God. Yeah, put it up there. Put it up there. All right, what do we got next? We got a special consideration. It has a little asterisk next to it. People are gonna look at the list and be like,
Starting point is 01:47:48 swimming? Interesting. Tears. Okay. Oh, this video is so sad, bro. God dang. What's this? Tennis, I think.
Starting point is 01:48:00 Tennis is interesting, man. Tennis seems impossible. Tennis feels like kind of soccer-ish. Yeah. A lot of stopping and starting, acceleration. Let me ask you guys this, is tennis though, is it also kind of a, because I know there are tennis courts all over the place.
Starting point is 01:48:15 I mean, even Venus and Serena Williams, right? They played on like shitty tennis courts as kids, right? But it still seems like a sport that is a kind of a, that there is a little bit of a wealth gap. Because with those sisters, the only way that they were able to like get through was because their dad started making connections with like wealthier tennis coaches
Starting point is 01:48:34 to get them doing certain things. But you're still not gonna see most, you're not gonna see involvement by a lot of people. Probably a pretty big level of, yeah, just like getting started in tennis seems like it would be hard. I can see involvement by a lot of people. Probably a pretty big level of, yeah, just like getting started in tennis seems like it would be hard, just in general for most people.
Starting point is 01:48:50 But it does take a lot of athleticism. Yeah. Like when you see like how, first off the hand or the coordination to be able to keep track of that ball moving from side to side on the court, the lateral movement, the up and down movement, the throat, like literally like,
Starting point is 01:49:02 when you swing a racket, it's almost like a throwing ball. The shape they have to be in is insane. Yeah. Like they actually really, movement, the throat, like literally like when you swing a racket it's like almost like a throwing ball. The shape they have to be in is insane. Yeah. Like they actually really like I don't I don't think people understand because like if you ever played tennis you can't play enough to like you know what I mean? Like you can't go back and forth enough because you suck. You can't even barely work up a sweat when you do it.
Starting point is 01:49:21 And then but like have you guys ever like tried to get like that top spin? Oh yeah, all that shit's hard. It's freaking impossible. Like every time I play I always just hit home runs. Like I can't. Oh yeah, you just get frustrated and smack the ball as hard as you can. It's a fun sport too if you do play it for a little bit,
Starting point is 01:49:40 but it's very frustrating. That's very difficult. Like difficulty wise, it's hard as fuck. But I would say that tennis is like a combination of like skill and athleticism, but in terms of it having the freakiest athletes, I don't really think so. But I definitely wouldn't put it like in stay in your lane.
Starting point is 01:50:03 It definitely- I wouldn't even put it at lower. I'd put it at least moderate or athletic. Yeah, it's gotta be an athletic realm, I think. Because just about anybody that goes to try to play tennis, even if you are pretty athletic, you're probably gonna be pretty embarrassed at how fucking hard it is.
Starting point is 01:50:18 Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, like so more than baseball. Man, the amount of movement you're doing. Okay, so tennis serves. A tennis serve can go as fast as like 120 something miles per hour. Launch that fucker, yeah. Right? That's wild.
Starting point is 01:50:36 So it's one of those things where like, yeah, I would put it as more athletic than baseball. The range of movement that those athletes are doing, it's something else. And those games can go anywhere between two and five hours. So like some tennis matches could be four or five hours long, that athlete doing that type of explosive movement, it's crazy.
Starting point is 01:50:53 They play a lot of games sometimes in one day. That's gotta be brutal. They also play on like different terrains, sand, dirt, concrete. Grass. Yeah, grass, right? The chicks wear the skirts and stuff. That's pretty cool too.
Starting point is 01:51:08 Is this now sprinting or is this like track running? I don't know. I feel like maybe they just, they used the picture of sprinting. I feel like we put track and field as like one thing, that'd just be too much. But like at the end of the day, I do think track and field does have the freakiest athletes anyway. Let's pull up that video real quick.
Starting point is 01:51:24 Like, that's a pretty cool video. We'll link it in the description, but it mentions something about the long jumpers that are. Triple jumpers have to be able to generate and then withstand extreme forces to hop, step, and jump to greater distances. But it's a brief moment between the hop and the step that leads to an almost superhero level adaptation
Starting point is 01:51:51 in a jumper's body. Here's how it happens. The first jump is called the hop, a drastic understatement given that you'll actually leap around 19 and a half feet. The speed it takes to propel your body this distance plus gravity pushing you back to earth can equal forces to up to 22 times your body weight. This is like suddenly holding a rhino on your back while balancing on one foot.
Starting point is 01:52:14 In fact, if the force is not returned within milliseconds of contact through the next phase, called the step, your leg could break. No other intentional movement in sports subjects a human limb to more force. Take this impact over thousands of jumps and your shin and thigh bones will actually become substantially thicker and denser to withstand and return the force of this seriously brutal step. Anyway, I uh... Wait, but 19 feet for reals? That first one? Cause they're running so fast
Starting point is 01:52:48 that when they take that first hop, it really propels them forward. How far do long jumpers jump then? Well, they're usually measured in meters. I think a long jumper, I think. So yeah, look it up though. I am baffled. I want to say that a long jumper,
Starting point is 01:53:06 maybe they measure it in feet, but I want to say a long jumper. You know what, maybe it's like just not that much further than that first hop that they do. I don't know. I would say like the record for long jumps, like 26 feet or something, but I do think that they say like meters
Starting point is 01:53:26 Yeah 7.6 meters so 24 feet. Mm-hmm This is just random shit that I'm finding in Wikipedia just to get an idea how far they jump but Wow Yeah, that's a 19-foot hop What's the world record for triple jump? What? World record.
Starting point is 01:53:49 I remember doing that shit in P East. That shit was hard. Yeah. You're like, wait, what am I supposed to do? Track and field athletes are amazing. I've already mentioned shot putters. I've had shot putters come in here before and there was a group of maybe three or four of them. They could all bench four plates very easily
Starting point is 01:54:09 and a couple of them could do five plates. A couple of the guys weighed 300 pounds and they jumped right up on top of the reverse hyper. They were just like incredibly explosive. One guy actually picked up the heaviest kettlebell that we had at the time and he did a bottoms up press with his right hand. He tried to do it with his left hand a couple of times
Starting point is 01:54:30 and then he got some chalk and then was able to- How heavy was that kettlebell you think? 100, 180 or something like that. Oh shit, he did a bottoms up? It was disgusting. And he also like, I don't think he practiced any of that shit. He just had these massive hands.
Starting point is 01:54:44 He just started like messing around with these, that stuff at the gym. And we're like, what the hell? And that guy ended up, he worked with Tim Fuah, who was a local coach for UC Davis. And they worked on trying to, I don't know where they got with it, but they worked on trying to break the record
Starting point is 01:55:00 for throwing a washing machine. I was like, again, I spoke a world record attempt, I think, I don't remember if he did it or not. But yeah, that dude was strong as fuck. So a quick Google search says 18.29 meters or 60 feet is the world record for a triple jump. Wow. 60 feet, dude.
Starting point is 01:55:21 60 feet. That's dope. I hate not knowing shit, but that's blowing my mind. That's really fucking far. You want to pull up that world record scene like you can visually see it? Yeah. But even watching that video where he was saying that first hop was 19 feet, I couldn't fathom how that... Anyways... Triple jump. Rob Markman 60 feet.
Starting point is 01:55:47 That's ridiculous. Yeah, I do think you're right. The track and field is like too broad. You know, it's like, it's a huge sport with a lot of different events, but I always think it's interesting that like decathletes and stuff don't get any That's like where's the love for these guys? Yeah, they do ten different disciplines I think they do like hurdle shot put they do all kinds of shit. I Didn't catch the Jonathan Edwards men's triple jump world record. Oh shit. You're surprised Oh shit. You're surprised
Starting point is 01:56:30 You shocked mark I surprised at a start yeah His legs look like egg beaters. Oh my god Come on That's come craziness. 18.29. That shit's insane. Let's see this again. Wow. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 01:57:02 Long jump is super impressive too. The way that they, like they'll, they open all the way up and then they too, the way that they, like they open all the way up and then they crunch all the way forward. New triple jump might be the freakiest. That's crazy, I had no clue. Just that first bound where they land on that first, like the same leg, like, that is.
Starting point is 01:57:23 That guy made that look easy. Like that shit's gotta be hard. So yeah, difficulty of track and field and stuff, I think is really tough, you know? 110 meter hurdles and shit like that seem to be really difficult. Just even going over to the track here in Davis, sometimes just looking at the hurdle,
Starting point is 01:57:40 I'm like, seriously? Like people just like taking those things and stride, like they're just running and they just, they just run right over them. Brutal sport, really tough. And I also think that they do get a lot of freak athletes. And what Shannon Sharp, what he was talking about saying that NFL athletes run the fastest
Starting point is 01:58:04 and jump the furthest and all these things. I think that you would have to give the nod to track and field because they have world records in those categories. But I do know his point. I do know what he's saying that, amongst some of the other sports, but anytime you're starting to think about specialists,
Starting point is 01:58:22 you have to always recognize you probably get your ass kicked by a specialist because that's what they do. Yeah. There's a specific form to sprinting that fast. Someone who's super fast on the football field, their form of sprinting is very different from sprint to running on a track. So it's one of those things where you wonder,
Starting point is 01:58:40 could a lot of these fastest guys in the NFL, maybe Tyree Kill, I mean, he started as a track star but like could these guys if they develop their form could they be as fast as like Some of these 100 200 runners maybe yeah, you know, so anyway, maybe they can develop it over time Yeah, so yeah where we stick this on the list here is that s-tier or like that that means like freak athlete Yeah, I'd stick it at the top. Yeah, very top. Yeah, I'd stick it really. Volleyball. Volleyball.
Starting point is 01:59:09 There's a lot of jumping. There's a lot of jumping and they're also a lot of times very tall. Yes. So they have a different kind of body to manage in the sport. As popular as it is, I don't know if it's like popular enough to be tippy top.
Starting point is 01:59:33 I see some wild hops in volleyball. Yeah. Like when I watch some volleyball highlights, I see some of these people that are spiking sometimes, how high they get up in the air. Like volleyball's super popular in like Asian countries too. Like the Japanese volleyball is super popular. And when you watch some of those highlights bro,
Starting point is 01:59:49 holy shit, the athleticism. So I mean, I wouldn't maybe- How high they jump on every play. Yes, repeatedly. And then the reaction time to get to the ball if it's, you know, yeah, lots of agility. I'd put it at athletic or moderate. I'm putting in one of those two.
Starting point is 02:00:07 Where do you guys want to put it? I ain't putting it lower. All right, I'm saying moderate. All right, moderate. What do you think, Mark? Yeah, you know, I think it's an amazing sport and I think it does take crazy amounts of athleticism. I think of like, you know, baseball player having to throw a ball as hard as they can, tennis player, you know, hitting the racket, and then a volleyball player, you know, smashing
Starting point is 02:00:43 or spiking the ball. It's like that just takes a tremendous amount of like coordination and mobility and agility for your body to really be able to open up, to be able to do some of that. I would just stick in the athletic category. I think it kind of deserves its props for that. I also think it's tiring,
Starting point is 02:01:03 like probably more tiring than you might think. Maybe not, maybe you wouldn't be gassed, but you wouldn't be able to like jump, you know, like you have to, you've been jumping for X amount of time and have given game. I think you're, you're going to start to lose a lot of that spring. Yeah. Yeah. And then like, I don't know like what's considered professional or not. Like we see a lot of stuff that's on courts, but the stuff that's like played on like sand would be exhausting. Oh yeah, beach volleyball. That would be terrible.
Starting point is 02:01:32 Yeah. All right, let's keep moving. Olympic lifting. Olympic lifting. Oh shit, at the top of the Olympic lifting man. Fuck. I think Olympic lifting is like, you know, it's very difficult to do, it's very difficult to learn,
Starting point is 02:01:50 but just because something's difficult doesn't mean it attracts the freakiest athletes. True. I think actually that's a big problem with Olympic lifting here in the United States. That's always been the conjecture on why the United States doesn't do very well is in Olympic lifting is because our athletes,
Starting point is 02:02:09 our freak athletes are doing other stuff. They're more interested in other stuff. They wanna make money. They wanna make some money. So yeah, I would just, I would put it above power lifting though. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:23 So we're going lower? Yeah, what's that? There's moderate and lower and then stay in your lane. I would say I'd put it in a, I mean I wish I had better athletes, but I'd put it in a lower probably. It just doesn't have enough appeal here. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:02:40 Super proud, like they're a freaky Olympic athlete. Kalkov, I think right there, I forgot that guy's name, but he fucking, I think, snatched over 500 kilos. Not over 500 kilos, he snatched over 220, 230 something kilos, but yeah, crazy. Rasslin'. Wrestling, hmm.
Starting point is 02:03:00 So yeah, wrestling is interesting, because it's grappling, but like the best wrestlers are also super athletic, whereas like not, you know, it's different from that. So, I know, I'd put wrestling at minimum, I'd put wrestling at athletic. The type of maneuvers you do in wrestling and just the gas tank of those wrestlers, it's... Seems to be pretty nonstop.
Starting point is 02:03:24 Yeah, man. All fours to your feet, back to all fours. It's, ugh, yeah. Lots of, yeah. Lots of sweating. Athletic? Athletic. Yep.
Starting point is 02:03:36 Cool. This is the end-all, be-all definitive list. List. Tier list. Check it out. Can't be argued with whatsoever. Just kidding. Man, that was tough though. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:03:51 I think the one that I'm absolutely sure about, can't really go wrong with it, is the swimming though. Doesn't have the freakiest athletes of them all. It's crazy. The most mutated. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah, let us know what you guys think, man. This is fun.
Starting point is 02:04:08 This is really fun. Yeah, it's fun, you know, in trying to figure out, trying to like define athleticism. Like, what is it? What does it mean? Because there's a lot of sports that maybe don't get the same credit for athleticism.
Starting point is 02:04:19 I think of anything we've learned that there's like, I mean, we've known this, but there's a big breadth of what can be athletic. And what strength is. Like Nick Norwitz, how strong is Nick Norwitz? Strong as fuck is the answer because he could do 400 pushups. Nonstop, yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:38 I mean, I've never heard of anything like that before. That's insane. I think another cool thing is just again, it's like looking at strength outside of just like being able to lift something, right? Not that lifting is bad, but it's like, that's not the only thing that you can do over time that can exude strength, power, athleticism, et cetera. So yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:59 What's this clip we got here? So Deion Sanders was asked if Bo Jackson is the most athletic, I guess, main player ever. Let's see what he says. Athletic person that you've ever been on a field with? No, my cousin June Bull. He was a crackhead and a good dude though. But he was very athletic because he was still stuff when I came home from college and could never catch him. Never catch him. And he was selling. And I would have to go get it back at the hood in front of drug dealers. He was probably the most athletic, my cousin June Bug.
Starting point is 02:05:31 But next to that, I think it was both. Is he? So his ranking system has June Bug and then under that, Bo Jackson. And then maybe under that, he would put himself maybe. Maybe. Maybe, yeah. It would be cool to kind of start to maybe have a list And then maybe under that he would put himself maybe. Maybe. Maybe, yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:05:49 It would be cool to kind of start to maybe have a list and start talking about who we think is like the most athletic person of all time or the greatest athlete of all time. Might be kind of neat to do something like that. It'd be hard. That's tough. That is really tough. Too many great athletes and too many sports.
Starting point is 02:06:03 Strength is never weakness, weakness is never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.

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