Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 305: Sam Brown of EliteFTS

Episode Date: February 7, 2022

Big Sam Brown of EliteFTS joined us for this one to talk podcasting, Dave Tate, and dipping his hips into multiply powerlifting for the first time.  Also, has anyone ever actually eaten at a Red Robin? The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Hybrid Performance Method: https://www.hybridperformancemethod.com/ MASS to save 5% on all training & nutrition Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything massonomics leroy jenkins let's do this welcome back everyone for episode 305 of the massonomics podcast lifting podcast about nothing my name is tanner and my name is tommy do you know the you know i'm sure we've talked about the leroy jane we probably brought it up 10 times for i think we have to yeah yeah i think we've at this point we have brought everything up before what year do you think that was that leroy jenkins thing was a thing um someone's probably going to answer on the discord before i even can pop out an answer i don't know 2005 that was going to be my guess was 2005 2005 leroy jenkins and maybe it was even a thing a little bit before i

was probably was you know but it was certainly in 2005 that era it was alive and well right i bet there's a lot of people that don't know about leroy jenkins though right probably like if you're 25 do you know what we're talking about or not probably depends on how much you're in like video game culture and things now but it's like that even getting like brought up in any uh well we have one confirmation says 2005 leroy jenkins a lost uh a kind of a lost treasure yeah i was gonna say i don't even know if i should say meme yeah kind of like a pre-meme yeah but yeah uh basically from world of warcraft and just to explain it so okay so maybe there are people out there that don't

don't know what it okay someone in the discord big keith just said he doesn't know what it is so it was a screen pull pull or screenshot uh videos it was yeah i mean it was a group of a bunch of guys playing world of warcraft right and so first you have to know what that is you don't know what that is it makes things a little trickier but it's just an online rpg and they're i think they're getting ready to go fight like a big dragon or it's like they're all they're like strategizing and talking out and it's probably if judging by that screenshot, it's about 10 guys. So they're all their characters are there. They're strategizing.

All right, you're going to do this. You're going to cast this spell. I'm going to be doing this. You're going to do this. Cause this is a really intense battle. They're about to do. Yeah.

And they're getting all going just out of nowhere. Yeah. Leroy. Let's do this. Yeah. And he goes running in and they're like, God damn it. Yeah.

That's what I remember. It was like, God damn it. Leroy. Like it almost do this. Yeah, and he goes running in, and they're like, goddammit, Leroy. Yeah, that's what I remember. It's like, goddammit, Leroy. Like, it almost feels like he's done it before. And I think, like, it all just falls apart. Like, that's kind of where the video sort of ends. But that's, yeah. So was that guy's name Leroy Jenkins, do you suppose, then? I would assume, unless he was just saying a random name.

I've never really done the research on, actually. I wonder what happened to that guy. Yeah. And I wonder if they won the battle i highly if leroy jenkins just took it on he's like fucking let's do this yeah i would think it probably fell apart if leroy's running in there but who knows we'll never that's the sequel i guess yeah leroy jen Jenkins part two. What happens 20 years later? Okay. You know what else is also good besides Leroy Jenkins? Hopefully you're going to say ads.

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it's the wind that gets you actually today it is the cold that gets you there wasn't that much there wasn't that much wind for once but but it takes just a barely just a nip of wind when it's this cold i had to really get you walk into somewhere for a meeting today and i was holding some stuff in my hands and all i thought was wow i can't believe how cold my hands are right now so we live in the tundra here when it's like this how and i ask you this because i experienced this myself a lot of times how often do you actually wear like if you're like yeah okay well like in that situation it's like why am i not wearing what i should have worn gloves i wear so i take the dog out to play yeah so i always have gloves right like right and for walks that's something that's

changed recently in the last year or two started wearing gloves i used to really tough it out i'd be like no i got pockets i'll figure it out i'm not even at the point where i'm turning around home and my hands feel like they're gonna break and crack from the cold i gotta i gotta make it all the way home still uh and so like in the last year or two i've gotten a lot smarter about wearing gloves when i leave for that stuff but i still don't really like if I'm going to like meet with a client or go somewhere like, you know, go to a store. I never have gloves in that city. Right. Some people are pretty religious about that, but I'm not.

There's also a lot of people that don't even like wear coats still though this time of year, which is mind blowing. I never wear probably as big. Well, not never. It depends if I'm doing something where i'm like yeah my task is going outside to work on something to play like i'm wearing my big heavy stuff but a lot of times i wear coats that are way not yeah the cropper you know like i i i never i never liked babysitting the coat and it's like it's not really a relevant thing for my life anymore that i need to worry about babysitting the coach.

But I'm just like, right. I'm just programmed at this point that I don't like babysitting the big coat. I'm at the point last few years, especially where I really started to not like the cold. So I really upped my cold weather game in coats, gloves, hats, winter footwear. Yep. I've really evolved that. And it's a more comfortable lifestyle. A lot more things to keep track of. That's for sure. Babys a more comfortable lifestyle a lot more things to keep

track of that's for sure babysit if there's a lot more babysitting involved but comes with the territory i guess that's true uh there was uh there's a little bit of a game that seems to be sweeping the nation in popularity have you noticed this at all tanner what yeah what is it wordle have you heard about this i barely barely. I saw it on Saturday Night Live sketch. Oh, really? It was like Trump doing Wordle, and I saw one thing on Facebook today. That was the second time.

So I saw the thing on there. Didn't know what it was. To me, I'm like, oh, that kind of looks like the jumble in the newspaper. And then I saw someone else post something on Facebook today like, oh, I finally found where you play Wordle. And that was the confirmation. Okay, this is a thing that I don't know about. jumble in the newspaper and then i saw someone else post something on facebook today like oh i finally found where you play wordle and that was the confirmation okay this is a thing that i don't know about so just today i realized first i have no idea what you're talking about with the jumble in the newspaper oh no idea what that is i don't know i don't even know i'm not even going to

attempt to describe it i don't play the jumble i play the cross i know you do cross i play i play crossword puzzles from the newspaper i have no idea what the jumble is yeah i don't play the jumble. I play the cross. I know you do crosswords. I play crossword puzzles from the newspaper. I have no idea what the jumble is. I don't know either. But I don't play the game either. I've just been aware of what this is in the last couple days. It does seem to be one of the fastest growing games. Weird thing, there is no app for it.

You just go to a website and play it. So that's why, that's what, because what the exact phrase i saw by someone on facebook was i finally found out where to play wordle and there's also when you type in wordle on the app store you get a ton of games that say wordle or some variation of it that are not wordle yeah so but it is have you played it i have not my wife's played a little bit because i think she kept saying like she was seeing things on like instagram or tiktok of people talking about it i didn't see anything on instagram i don't really go on tiktok so yeah i was out of that loop but Because I think she kept saying, like, she was seeing things on, like, Instagram or TikTok of people talking about it. I didn't see anything on Instagram.

I don't really go on TikTok. So I was out of that loop. But now that she made me aware of it, I've also noticed it popping up in way more places, too. Should we have a Wordle meme? Actually, we probably should. We probably should. I think that's a good idea. So I believe, though, that the guy that made it, the really quick scanning I did is the guy made it as like a gift for his girlfriend this game and just made it as a website and it looks like

the new york times recently purchased it for the supposedly low seven figures really so not a bad not a bad it's over one million dollars not a bad payday for a little game to put together quick no kidding huh we should do that i have to look into that yeah but it is have a distinctive look so you could definitely make a meme kind of like jumbly yeah there'll definitely be a meme of this i feel like by the time uh this episode i just have to actually understand the game so you can like it's just uh it's like five letters and you just have to you have like five turns to guess what letter like it'll light up like if we got a letter in the right spot yeah or or like

if the letter's there at all i think it's one color if the letter's in the puzzle and another color if it's in the right spot okay and you get five times to enter the word in okay so you could get it on the second one you could yeah but what's your starting point do you get all what's i'm not sure i haven't literally no there's no starting point maybe you just like there might not be so are they of different lengths or is always i think it's always like five letters maybe it's even four i don't know what the number is i just saw the only thing i've actually seen it was when my wife had like two left and she goes look these are the letters i've used and that's okay man we're really good at talking about things that we actually don't know anything about that's i don't know if i'm that's the show well that's the show

and i know you kind of do word puzzle things yeah i didn't know if you're like oh yeah i've been really filling the spare time with this no i'm a i really don't need i have no room for anything besides uh i used before pre-crossword puzzles i used to play sudoku yeah so i still know how to play sudoku and stuff but crossword puzzles really replaced that for me took over yeah crossword puzzles are more fun than steel. They're a little more engaging. Yeah, they are. They're more fun. And also, actually, to be honest,

I used to play the crossword puzzle every day. Did you? And, you know, I just don't anymore. It's been many years since I've played a single crossword puzzle. They are fun, though. They are fun. Better than Wordle. Well, that's what you're saying now.

You haven't started where that's true i get hooked that's true i get its fangs in you get the claws on you are we going to make our uh you know that people turn tune in for this annually this segment it's where we um make our super bowl predictions now that we know this is kind of the most teams are set this is we know it's going to be the top episode of the year because everyone wants to know what we're we're betting on for the super bowl yeah because we put a lot of money down on the super bowl oh yeah well prop bets and all kinds of stuff if massonomics doesn't have post two weeks from now you'll know we put a little too much money on the super bowl let Let it all ride. All the lift shorts profits.

Super Bowl. First of all, I can say that this, I really don't have a preference at all. Actually, I can't say that. I can't say I don't have a preference than give a preference. That doesn't make any sense. I don't care that much about who wins. I'm kind of actually just looking forward

to the game in general. Yep. But I do want to lean towards Cincinnati a little bit. Yeah. I'm always kind of the underdog guy. And so I got to go Cincinnati. And I don't care. I don't know what the line's at.

I'm just saying Cincinnati, the fact that, like, they're never a playoff team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where I'm at, too. I've kind of been enjoying watching them have success here in the playoffs. And it's fun to have a rookie quarterback come in and like be the big time guy yeah yeah but same thing yeah anytime you have a guy that's like not um the guys that have been around for 10 to 20 years right um yeah i kind of want the bangles

to win but you know the rams kind of have a little bit of a super team in a way you know they have a lot of uh star studded names on that roster so i kind of want the bangles to win for that and joe burrell seems to kind of be a fun guy so he does yeah yeah ohio is technically midwest i guess there's some debate about that i suppose i think a lot of it's a lot more midwest than la is can tell you that isn't the game in la i believe so it's that sofi stadium it was the first time a team ever hosted a super bowl and now we're doing it again and now we're second year in a row yeah tom brady officially announced his retirement too it's the end it's the end of an era which is pretty wild it is you know the wild i mean every this is obviously apparent obvious the obviously

wild thing is that he was the oldest man on the roster of any NFL player, and it feels like he retired too early. It does. It feels like we're getting robbed a little bit there. When the rumors first started popping in this weekend, I'm thinking, really? You could pad your stats so much more in another year or two. Just think about it.

But also, 45 or 44? I think he's 44. Maybe he has turned 45, but yeah also 45 or 44 i think he's 44 maybe he has turned 45 but yeah he's 44 last i knew which is so old to be played still and he's arguably had statistically had one of the best years of his career if not maybe like statistically like almost the best you're right but I guess yeah and they lost whatever divisional round by like a field goal at the very end of the game it does make you think if they were

you know if they made it to the Super Bowl would he be like if they won another one would he be like I'm going to play again or would he just be like no I went out on top I don't know I i to me i i wish he would have kept playing just because it's just insane it's just insanity like it just like just i want to see like could this dude be 50 and be like one of the top 10 quarterbacks and then it's still like still like literally have children older than other starters.

Right. Because it's like, what point is it absurd? Because it's kind of already a little absurd. I think it already is. Yeah. But like, I want to know how far could it go? And we're not going to get to really find that out now. And, you know, I would have also.

Well, and you look at guys like definitely now my home seems to be the front runner for someone that could like break those records. Do that for a while. Yeah. Also. He needs to start making like. It's so many years, though. Like, it just doesn't matter. He could have the next eight years could go amazing and he could have one bad injury and that's it.

Yeah. You know. Yes. So it is just such a long road that i guess we'll talk about this in like 15 years and see how that how those records are holding up we'll still be podcasting so you're going your team bangles i'm team bangles okay me too good call um i i think the same i'm gonna read a little ad for you, Stanner. Great. This episode of the Massonomics Podcast is brought to you by the Strength Co. Grant Brogy, the founder of the Strength Co, was born in the late 80s,

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At least as of now, it appears that it's happening. You know, knock on a chair. Yeah, man. I would be really shocked if they don't have it at this point when every other major thing in the world is happening. Yeah, yeah. So hopefully we'll be there. I would be really shocked if they don't have it at this point when every other major thing in the world is happening. Yeah. Yeah. So.

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No clue. Is Barney Stinson in it? I think he's the only person in it. I think he's all the actors. Do you suit up in it? Probably. Do you have a koozie over there? Oh, yes.

Okay. Oops. here we go better koozie this up for you hit to get your hand colder than what it needs to be oh alright there you go so this is a cold beverage

it's getting hints here it's a chilly one okay I'm gonna give it a crack here I like to give it the sniff test go Here we go. I like to give it the sniff test. Go. Mmm.

Tasty. I'm feeling like it's a sparkling water. Okay, okay. It is in a can. Oh, this is going to be a stumper for me. I can already tell. It's going to be one where I can't quite put my finger on. I'm getting fruity nodes.

Fruity, okay. Fruity nodes, let me go. So like fruity as in cherry or? I'll be 100% honest. My initial reaction was cherry and then after i took a sip i i think i'm gonna have to say not cherry maybe okay so not cherry sparkling water kind of lean in a little bit uh i don't know strawberry okay okay but maybe not straight up strawberry so i'm gonna

i'm gonna put something with it you gotta i'm gonna say it's uh strawberry what would you put with strawberry i'll say it's not strawberry banana i'll just say it's uh strawberry lime and i'm one percent confident in that answer okay well tanner you better take a look here this is la croix hibiscus ah have we had this one before i think we have have we so it's flower flavored is that what hibiscus i honestly don't really know there is a flower on the can is Is hibiscus a flower? I'm not sure what that is.

It's very florally, I think. I guess it's reddish. Yeah. I really didn't know what to do. When you said strawberry, I did think that's actually a pretty good guess for what this is. Okay.

I could not remember if we had this. Big Alex over at Kind of Fit, Kind of Fat sent me a DM. He said, you guys need to do this one. And I could not remember if we had this big alex over at kind of fit kind of fat sent me a dm he said you guys need to do this one and i could not remember if we had done this before or not and i also couldn't remember is there like a hibiscus mix one maybe there is this is pretty flavorful for lacroix it is yeah i think it's pretty good i kind of give you know in my mind this is the standard three and a half i i was gonna go three and a half too um i think if it was strawberry in my mind i'd feel better drinking something that's strawberry flavored than like hibiscus flower petal flavored yeah i kind of agree with

that but i'll go through that is quite honestly that is a little bit of uh pudding off putting to me it's like what are you doing? Squeezing the petals? Pressing these petals. Sacred sparkling water. We talked about Fusion Sports performance, but another supplement news, not that we know the ins and outs of this per se, but

Aaron Singerman got convicted and is going, but Aaron Singerman got convicted and got sentenced to four and a half years, and I think it was like $2.9 million. Let me see if I made any notes on that. Sentenced to four and a half years in prison, also ordered to pay a sum of $2.9 million

for his involvement in conspiring to sell steroids and other controlled substances marketed as dietary supplements. And this was not with Redcon1, who he's well-known for now. This was with Blackstone Labs. Which is also a fairly well-known supplement company. Right, and he had started that prior to Redcon1. Also, prior to his conviction in 2021 while on probation he got two duis which is never yeah never one on a boat and one first of all don't get duis yeah you really shouldn't get duis

now um and also don't get two while on Yeah, that's not helping anyone's cause ever, I have to assume. And I watched the video that he had prepared. I guess the story goes that he prepared this prior to the conviction, in the case that he was convicted and that his wife would put it out there. And I don't know, it was like five, six minutes long, something like that. And I would just say I get that you make that video because it's damage control for Redcon1

and everything but I don't really put merit on mostly any of what he's saying at that point and like the part that really stuck out to me is him talking about how what he did you know this conviction was for what he did at blackstone labs and how that is don't weigh that when you're now thinking about redcon1 because it's a different

company and you know he started redcon1 with the the purpose of you know part of it just wanted to make sure everything's on the up and up and like they're somewhat unrelated and i just that is not how p i do not think that's how people should perceive that yeah like to me that is not what you you know i get say i get him saying that but that's not yeah how i'm gonna look at that or how most people would i do i don't think it just there's so many people in the supplement industry that just the supplement industry in general, it's just full of so many shady products and shady people. Oh,

I forgot something that though we should have done. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum,

bum, bum, bum, bum. This is our, this is our law and order. That saxophone comes in there all sassy. I hate that show so bad that that's like traumatizing for me to hear that song.

I can't watch any of that stuff. It's too dumb for me. I cannot say in law and order. But yeah, this thing, it's so, when you look at it, all right, a guy selling steroids. Okay. I get it. That's steroid. Like we, we compared to people listening to this and us compared to the general public

probably have a little bit different view on steroids. Right. Right. Yeah. It's kind of commonplace in the industry that we there's obviously a lot a lot of people in this industry and sport and adjacent sports that are clearly on steroids right and i don't have a problem with that as long as they're adults and they understand what they're getting into that's fine like there's obvious risks involved you know and hopefully they're aware of those but i guess ultimately that's their decision but where this one feels like a little different is that if I bought a can, whatever, I don't know if it's pre-workout or what supplements it was specifically.

Yeah. From what I think is a company that's just selling supplements and I'm actually getting steroids and like that seems not fair to me now right right right or if i go compete in a meet where i have to be drug free and i get drug tested and i fail my drug test because they're putting banned substances in them like that kind of sucks for me doesn't it yeah and i like one person defending it i know what they were saying is that well it was only the only thing they were getting in. And I don't know if this is verified facts or not, but their defense of it. The only thing that they were getting in trouble for was basically that they were splitting hairs a little bit, that they were selling things marketed as pro hormones, which people would generally know to be like not far off of steroids. But they were really banned steroids and not pro hormones. So like,

and I don't know if that's exactly what they were getting in trouble for or not, but if I think the point they're making was that's really the only thing that they were doing is selling pro hormones, which I think maybe were technically, you know, some technically legal still at that time but they really weren't by the makeup of it really pro hormones they were steroids right you know and i don't know if that's correct if that's exactly what he got

in trouble for or not the whole thing still even if that's the case the whole thing seems a little slimy to me so yeah and also it's maybe just him the way he comes off to me is that it's slimy so i don't know yeah and you can go i mean you can type it in you can like see that because i think you got charged in like florida i think is where it was at and you can like read the yeah i don't want to say press release but whatever whatever the court actually issues and i think they say something about like getting some product from china and substances that were on like a selling substances that were not legal to be selling and if that's the case like well it's actually says it's illegal and you're right there's no like middle ground there no i think they were he was they were for

sure knowingly doing something wrong you You know, like, absolutely. Yeah. And I think it's a little, I think. I guess it just really, yeah. So what it comes down to is, do you know what's in your supplements? Because if you did. Yeah. Use Fusion Sports Performance.

You always will. You wouldn't have this problem. That's true. That's exactly right. And maybe also, if you want to do steroids, just do steroids. That's true that's exactly right and maybe also if you want to do steroids just do steroids that's true yeah and don't get so caught up in your supplements right right like hey maybe just worry about like protein creatine and like a pre-workout if you need that and then separately if you want to do steroids also do the steroids and like not try to like get them through sketchy supplements yeah we i mean we talk about all the time too is just we were saying the other day like how often do you feel like a

discussion around just like supplements come up comes up in the gym and the answer was like zero yeah you know because if people kind of get it at this point they know where to get protein like it's not some new cutting edge thing they know they go to fusion sp.net they know that's where they go exactly if people need a pre-workout a lot of guys just like they just get coffee or uh an energy drink or if they want pre-workout they also go to fusion sp yep and then if you create teen i guess you just go to wherever creatine is just don't get anything weird and crazy yeah and that's kind of supplements nowadays yes that's to me also we're not necessarily in and we're not in a commercial gym with a bunch of 19 year old lifters who are super into that like the supplement game

too right so we're you know probably not as exposed to it as some people are out there we know we're maybe a little sheltered i feel like when i hear people passionately talking about like supplement stacks yeah it's uh like people that are 19 years old right yes like i mean guilty as charged when i was 19 you put way more emphasis on right younger because it's like that feels like that's the shortcut and then it's like oh wait that really is a very sliver of the percentage at the very end of the piece of pie it's more so the me not getting sleep and not eating and not training properly maybe i should do those things like drinking four days a week yeah heavily yes yeah those are the things that are, that's not what's holding you back.

It's your supplementation is what's screwing you over. It's one piece of the stack, you know, off. That's exactly what it is. What about a little, uh, supporting our supporting members?

How do you feel about that? Let's do it. Or do you want to hear an ad first or supporting our supporting members first? Let's support a support. Okay. So this is a little segment of the podcast. It's relatively new. I'm going to keep saying it's relatively new for like months and months.

Well, that's kind of like it's marketing. Yeah. It's kind of a... Your billet has been relatively new. It's one of the newer segments of the podcast. It's growing. And when you talk about a podcast that's had hundreds of episodes, anything is kind of relatively new. It's relatively new.

You know, it's not... We didn't start in episode 30 so um supporting our supporting members so our supporting members you might be listening and saying who the heck are the supporting members well it's this group you can become one also um they choose to support us through our website there's not options out there different levels of supporting membership you can go what's there's a certain website for that uh massonomics.com join yeah you can go to massonomics.com join and you want to join the active community it's a it's that's the thing too it's a really active community also uh but you can join too you can get in on this and what

supporting our supporting members really is is where we highlight i don't know one two three some of their accomplishments over the last week things that we've picked up on through the discord or through instagram or through our own observations the newspaper maybe some of these things we found in the maybe some of these things made aberdeen pulse on that finger yes pulse on that finger on that pulse yes pulse on that finger on that pulse. Yes. Pulse on that finger. I got that definitely mixed around. So here's a couple that we noticed this week. First one on supporting our supporting members.

This was a big Johnny POV underscore strong. Big Johnny hit a PR deadlift of 675 pounds. Big seven. Yeah. Big seven. Yeah. Big seven plate deadlift. And I think it was, it looked like it was in the gym. I wonder if maybe it was some sort of like unsanctioned little deadlift. Seven plate club.

That's a pretty elusive club. That's a good one. That's that's your average Joe. Isn't dead left in seven, seven plates. Oh, you're elite. Joe.

A lot of times seven plates. And then You're elite, Joe. A lot of times you're dead left in seven plates. And then the other one on supporting our supporting members that we had here today, I don't think he's on the Discord here right now, but it's Big Mason. Masonomics. Yeah, Big Masonomics. Actually of Masonomics Gym, also a supporting member.

He competed in a strongman competition his first one ever he competed in the heavyweight novice class it was in north dakota what was it um winter strongman i can't remember the name of it exactly i think i can't remember either i think it's edgar's house of pain that puts it on okay trophies are pretty cool trophy was really cool that i saw um i think it was edgar's house of pain like the winter classic maybe that's what it's called something like that and it looked like a big i think uh they said there's like at least like 50 people that are competing it looked like the venue was pretty good too yep looked like it was uh looked really cool beans action i think uh mason ended up getting

fourth in his heavyweight novice class but actually like you think novice oh maybe it's a bunch of people that aren't that strong no that group of people was all very strong in the novice class like mate mason deadlifts over 600 pounds benches 400 plus pounds squats like five or six hundred pounds you know he's a very strong man and he got fourth in his uh big fella too yeah his license plate does say big fella on it. And we wanted to highlight specifically Mason from that competition because he is a supporting member. None of his training partners. There may or may not have been other people from the gym competing

in that competition that may or may not have placed differently. You'll never know because they're not supporting members. Because they're not supporting members and this segment isn't called supporting are not there is people that aren't this isn't called supporting people that aren't supporting members this is called supporting our support people that know supporting members yes it's not enough to get you in the club it's members only the old members only members only jacket so uh good job, guys. Those are impressive performances. So if you want to get on supporting our supporting members,

first thing you got to do is become a supporting member. Then it might help to take that opportunity to join the Discord, which only supporting members can do. And then talk about yourself a little so we know what's going on. You know, you don't have to brag about yourself, but maybe be like, hey. I see there's a conversation headed towards something that's kind of relevant to what me and what i've been doing in passing you say i yeah here's this thing i did and then that's how you end up on supporting our supporting members that's all there is to it yeah okay okay now I want to tell you about hybrid performance method it's your solution to strength no BS training nutrition and education for the hybrid athlete

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It sure is. Oh, welcome to the Mathonomics Podcast with Tanner and Tom. What's up, Sam? I am so excited. I am so excited I saw that number from Aberdeen. There's only one posse that I know to be calling at this hour. So on your phone, did it show up as Aberdeen or Western Northeast South Dakota? Oh, double checking. Western Northeast South Dakota.

Sorry, I read that wrong. My reading. We've written some strongly worded letters about getting that switch. So glad to see that that's how it shows up now. We're not sure how familiar you are with podcasting. Do we need to go over the rules at all? Yeah, this is where I just don't let you guys talk for like an hour well that's what some people do i've felt that before yeah some people do that some people refuse to talk actually

which is a silent treatment yeah that's good somewhere in the middle is probably where we need you to be though. Oh, like a ping pong match, right? Yes. Yeah, exactly. Um, and that, that's a joke obviously, because you're a guy that knows his way around a good podcast, obviously. Yeah. Uh, I'm kind of like the, uh, the sidekick I would call it. Dave's table talk, uh, the side table i'm like a side table to the table talk but you're not at the kids table you're right actually fun fact about that dave never told me the table was so high and the first episode if you look back it looks like i am i should be at the kids table because i'm like up to my neck at the table so but you guys are sitting aren't you table because i'm like up to my neck at the table so but you guys are sitting aren't you uh we are okay so did you just have to get a higher chair so the chairs only go so high so it has like these

i don't know the scientific term for the risers but they look like hemorrhoid cushions that we just kind of stack up which is uh you know quality it works it's really good no um and table talk is obviously uh we're we're big fans of it we have been for a long time and it's gone through uh i don't know some changes over the years you know i'd say it's gone through some different formats maybe even when did you come on actually when did you come on with elite fts and when did you start on the podcast too so i came my very first day was uh actually last march march 2nd i believe it was my first day at elite fts and i think the table talk podcast started back up in april i believe that was when uh d, I think, knew my name finally and

figured it would probably be a good time to put me on the internet more. So prior to that, had you had really any experience doing a podcast or any long-form content like that? You know what? It's funny. I've been on podcasts before, obviously much, much smaller ones, and none of which anybody really listened to. But my interview for Elite FTS was I had to jump on a fake podcast with Dave. And hopefully it never gets seen or heard because it was terrible. That's kind of a cool interview. Yeah, that's an interesting idea. terrible. That's kind of a cool interview. Yeah. That's an interesting idea. Yeah. So the first half of the interview was, uh, sitting down with Dave and Tracy, the two owners of the company.

And then the second half of the day, they're like, all right, here's the media team, go make videos. And you have two hours to prepare for a podcast with Dave and go. I was like, Oh, uh, cool. This is great. I'm not panicking at all. Well, it obviously went better than maybe what you're picturing because it, I mean, you got the job. Yeah. It was funny. His, uh, his wife was like, you need to really, uh, you know, bust Dave's balls a little bit more on the show, but we really liked it. Okay. We can do that. a little bit more on the show, but we really liked it. Okay, we can do that. So what is your role?

Do you have an official title or what is your role? Get this, guys. I know titles are important, right? You could say it's the only thing that matters, actually. I got it on my resume. That's all that matters. So my official title is, and I'm going gonna try to say this with a straight face director of performance ah director that's a good level to be up i don't i don't know what that means so what do you do so it's it's me uh jacob who's the

videographer and editor sheena who runs all the editing for the articles, and now Jordan, who kind of helps out with the social media posts and whatnot. But together we form a giant robot that create content for Elite FTS through YouTube, bringing in guests for the podcast, social media posts, like anything that has to do with content or the production or the editing or the creation. It's kind of a little bit of everything. Like today, for example, we had Matt Mills and Brittany Diamond down. They'll be in tomorrow as well for the podcast. And we were just shooting videos the entire day. I think we shot like 15 or 17 videos uh through the entire day so there are some days where i'm filming other days where i'm uh i guess i would say hurting the amazing commenters on our social

media uh dealing with that answering a ton of questions i get a lot of emails from people just like in the in the community asking questions and actually like sending like full-form videos in about like critiques and stuff so i'll actually do that uh but then also people send weird pictures in so like i've gotten some really weird ones they're like how's my posing i'm like dude that's a lot of inner thigh what i what i want to be doing um but essentially just community management uh i again it's it's it's a little bit of everything because it is a small company i don't know i mean we kind of play big but there's only like nine of us in the office i think total so it's like i'm yelling across the room at the sales guy matt goodwin and i'm like everything it's just chaos sometimes and it's a it's a small family company right so a little bit of everything during the busy season i was packing orders in the back

uh i was probably packing them wildly incorrectly because the next day like no i think we're good i think we're all set you go back to like saying stupid things in front of a camera yeah uh what um what uh what's it like working with dave like how would you describe that to someone you've probably been asked that before i guess but i i've been asked that and i i've been asked that quite a bit yeah and you guys had them on the podcast. Oh yeah. Yes. And it was, which was great. You know, we were, we were so pumped for that opportunity and I think, and in my opinion, no, no surprise. It's actually the kind of the same way when we go to talk to Dave or we go to talk to you or when we go to talk to anyone that's used to

specifically podcasting, especially, but but you know any form of conversations like this that's recorded um they're always like the easiest podcast ever because it's just people that get what's going on you know even if they don't get our podcast perfectly it doesn't matter because they give an answer that's more than three seconds long they provide some context to their answer yeah what do you mean? Wait, we're recording this? Wait a minute. We loved getting Dave on. I think it was a great episode, too.

Yeah, it's funny. We just recorded a podcast with Chris Bartle, who's our new sales guy, and Matt Goodwin. I listened to it, yeah. You listened to it. We're saying that Dave will go into his office and not really say anything for a couple of days. It's like, oh, shit, is he mad? But he just does his own thing sometimes. He is.

He is a lot more introverted than I think people think. They probably think he's just like yelling, screaming, swearing and like training all day. But like there's actually a business to run and he does a lot of work in his office. And he just kind of you just hear his keyboard clicking away um especially during the busy seasons it's like oh is dave here we'll just like look in his office yep yep okay he's still breathing we're good he's still where he needs to be but overall i mean it's it's been such a cool opportunity to i mean i was a fan of elite fts for years even before getting this opportunity. So to be able to like sit at the table talk table and like now I get to interact with everybody on the Elite FTS team, our coaches, all the guests we bring in.

I get to bring in new guests and kind of be that the connection between the audience and the amazing minds and athletes that we have uh in elite fcs is great but especially with dave i mean i remember the first week uh after he remembered my name uh he sat me down and uh we just kind of talked about training philosophy we kind of just he just wanted to get to know get to know me a little bit more and we would meet like probably once a week just to kind of again just kind of shoot the shit talk about training and kind of get to know each other. Um, and now we just do that on the table talk, which is actually kind of perfect, but yeah, no, it's, it's, it's an amazing opportunity. Um, like I said, Dave is quite the introvert at times. And, and a lot of the times it's like, it's just kind of a quiet Dave, but when he's in the gym, when we train together, um, and it's, it's an amazingly awesome opportunity to just live and, you know, kind of just participate in this.

I'm still blown away. Like, I just like, think about it. I'm like, holy shit. I've been doing this for a year. I like, it's unbelievable. First off, I can't believe I'm still in Ohio. Like what the fuck, man? But it is, it's, it's, it really is a, a, a, an amazing experience to be part of the

team and to be able to call myself a member of the team, elite FTS, and especially working with Dave. It's crazy. Where were you prior to Ohio? Or are you from there? I was, uh, I was in Rhode Island, a really sassy little state. I don't know if you've heard of it. Yeah, our friend Brandon Diamond, our one Rhode Island friend.

Yeah, he was actually my neighbor. There's actually seven people in Rhode Island, and I knew him. That was good. You'd go in his basement when he wasn't home and get a lift in. Well, he ended up selling me like my garage gym with like he because he you know he's like an internet rich guy yeah he has all this shit and he was like hey sam do you want to buy it you're the one of the only people in rhode island here so i figured i might as well sell it to somebody local oh did you really buy some of his stuff i really did oh okay

i like bought my garage gym setup from him. Do you have that blue power rack that he used to have? No. I'm going to get torched when I say this. I'm going to get absolutely torched. Fuck it. Here we go. I bought his Titan rack.

It hurts to say that now. But it was a different time then. It was a different time then. It was a different time. I don't even know. That wasn't even real. That was just fake life. But no, I was actually in Rhode Island working as the director of health and wellness for a corporate wellness facility, running a gym and a health center for citizens bank, which is there,

which was their headquarters. Holders of my mortgage. Ah, yes. Ah, damn them. Taking all your money, Tanner. Yup. So, yeah. So I was up there working, uh,

training a lot of people that didn't want to train at all. So it was like really good for my heart and soul. And I loved every minute of it. Just dealing with people that didn't want to be there, which is cool. Uh, but I'd also be, I also had my athletes after that and, uh, uh, had some clients on the side as well, but yeah, pretty much just training and, and, and working in the health, uh, health and wellness facility. So then were you always like, were always like were you pretty familiar with elite fts were you kind of always keeping an eye on them or how did you become aware of this job opening i was i was that annoying guy at seminars that was like awkwardly waiting until everybody talked

at the end and i was just like standing in the outskirts of the crowd just like yeah yeah yeah i'm part of this conversation yeah yeah but like so like it was funny because like dave and i met probably three or four times prior to me being hired or even applying for this position and he still had no idea who i was and i'm like yeah i'm in i got this this is so good yeah uh but i went to quite a few seminars for elite actually my coach matt mills at the time was is still a columnist for elite um i had spent a lot of time up at tps malden with murph up there matt mills strong strong man coach right yeah okay right yeah okay you got it yeah so like i was always uh like on the peripher, like I knew of everybody at Elite. I actually went to a few seminars with Nate Harvey as well. And again, I was the one that wouldn't shut up and like, no, this is how you box squat.

It's like, dude, this isn't your seminar. Shut the fuck up. You know what I mean? Like I annoy myself thinking of myself back then, but, but it's, uh, it was funny because I, I, I must have made a few people like me because when I saw that this position came up about last year, I was like, all right, well, I guess I'll just throw my name in the hat and see what happens. And I talked to Murph up at TPS. I talked to Matt and I was like, Hey, I'm applying for this. And they're like oh cool like that was it sounds good and best of luck um and i had i had no idea like i was like there's zero chance i'm gonna even be looked at then the next day i ended up getting a call from london ohio yeah i was like well this is where i shit my pants. This is where they tell me no.

But Tracy called and said, hey, we want to do a phone interview with you tomorrow. Are you free? And I go, yep, I'll just quit my job now. I just quit now, right now. I just quit right now. So I ended up having a phone interview. uh so i ended up uh having a phone interview and i mean as you guys know like once you get dave talking he's just going like he will just keep going and going and going and like the phone interview happened they talked at me for a while asked me a few questions i asked a few i guess

appropriate questions to dave and he just went off for about an hour. And then I was like, all right, we'll be in touch. I'll see you later. And I'm like quickly hung up and I'm just sitting there like sweating, just like looking around like what the hell just happened. And then a couple of days went by, I heard nothing. And then they wanted to fly me out and say, hey, we want to do an in-person interview. And I immediately go, you know what? I don't care if i don't get the job i got the in-person interview right like they just spent money on me i might as well be a sponsored athlete yeah put it on my resume like i got told no in person but yeah and then did the in-person interview uh i guess and then i like that day i signed on the

dotted line they liked me i liked them and then uh it was the rest was history and then i just packed up all my shit literally a month after that interview packed up all my shit sold all the equipment that brandon sold me uh made a Actually, I was going to say the timing of that was probably preferable for you. Take that, Brandon. Suck it. You played the long game. So yeah, I was, and then I just like jumped in my car and just drove all the way out to Ohio. And I guess the rest is history. So as someone that's not super familiar

with uh with rhode island and the surrounding area there is life in ohio significantly different than life in rhode island yes life in ohio people are much nicer uh rhode island they're a little spicy a little sarcastic a little spicy the whole new eng thing. It's like everybody's a Patriots fan. Like everybody's kind of loud. Like you think they're yelling at you, but that's just how they communicate. I don't know. It's just it's different. But I kind of like it because the first thing I thought when I moved out here, I was like, am I talking too fast?

Or is like they're like a three second delay. I was like, what the fuck is going on here? Uh, but no, it was, it's, it's very different, but in a very positive way, I have to say everybody out here is, is a lot nicer than most new England people. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Is that what, what about, uh, I feel like, uh, you know, you talked about the company and the size of the company and all your different roles. It seems like you'd be a little different every day almost. But what's your work schedule like? Is it at all like, is there a schedule?

Or are you just working randomly all the time? There are days where I feel like that. But for sure, it's, I mean, honestly, it's, I get in between 8 and 9 o'clock in the morning, and then I'll leave between 4 and 5, depending on the day. If we have a guest, it can vary, because then I'm kind of playing host a little bit, making sure they're good. If we record a podcast, say it like...

For the most part, we were recording podcasts and doing them live on YouTube at like 4 o'clock ish on Wednesdays we've been kind of adjusting and pivoting the time a little bit but if we start reporting at four we won't get done till like 6 6 30 and then I gotta do time stamps I gotta do you gotta make sure that everything's kind of going in the right direction with that so there are some longer days um but yeah most of the time it's it's like eight to four or nine to five i'll occasionally check the social media like when i'm taking a shit or something but like other than that it's pretty uh pretty structured i just have to mention it because there's some

massonomics faithful faithful you said a massonomics buzzword it's time stamps we have a long-running thing that that we refuse to put timestamps on the YouTube videos because I'm going to, yeah, no, that's a good move. It's, it's a much better use of time. It's much more efficient to not do that. Yeah, no, but I, I just, I literally have to bring it up because if I don't, there's going to be a bunch of people that bring it up and say that we should have mentioned you, that you mentioned the timestamp so we have to mention that and then what about so you train there i mean is that yeah okay so is it ever do you ever have a hard time like are you ever torn like oh this is my training time but i maybe something comes up and i need to work or are you able to kind of uh unplug from that and really just train

while you're there when it's yeah so usually what happens is our training schedule is wednesday thursday and evenings and then saturday and sunday, Thursday in the evenings and then Saturday and Sunday. So right in the morning. So I'm honestly at the compound seven days a week. Yeah. But it's just what it is. But for example, if we have guests or something out, I may have to work, you know, on the weekends, making sure that they're all set. But no, it's, I'll usually leave the building like on a Wednesday or Thursday, I'll leave the building, go around the block, I'll drive around the block and he'll come back in just so I can like leave. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Reset. Right. No, I get that. Just kind of reset. Yeah. Um, but other than that, not really. I mean, because it, it does have like different vibes, right? Like on the weekend, it's a much different vibes than it is just like on a Monday at nine o'clock in the morning, you know? So it's really, really cool to see that as well, because we don't really know who's going to be there on the weekend. Sometimes, sometimes we have different lifters coming in, we have different groups coming in and it's kind of a wild and crazy adventure at times. Cool. You have, you know, I would assume in the past year have got to meet quite a few people that you probably, uh, didn't anticipate meeting in a normal year. Uh, you know, everyone has kind of this different personality and like the way

they brand and present themselves online. Has there been anyone that meeting them in person, you've just been really surprised by like in the way that they actually are in person versus how they are online? Well, it's funny because we had Jujimufu come out a few times. And from the outside, it's like, oh, he's silly all the time. And he's jumping around. And he has a flamingo and a horse mask on and sends shit on fire. And never any clothes. Never.

The excessively lack of clothes there, that was definitely a thing. But he is probably one of the smartest people that I've ever spoken to in terms of marketing, in terms of execution, in terms of just even the scheduling of the types of videos he's going to do. He's one of the most intelligent businessmen that I've been able to speak to during my time at elite. And man, I have to say like, we have genuinely become really good friends because him and his wife are just like the coolest people. And man, if you can ever get them on the podcast or get them down to your area, man, they do it because he really is. We've mentioned it to him before. There's some interest. We hope to make it a real thing one of these days.

Well, yeah. I can twist his leg or make him do a backflip or something. You think maybe sometimes it's a hard sell to get people to come to London, Ohio. Just imagine the western northeast South Dakota.

Well, you guys just have a certain amount of flair that's like attractive. True. Yeah. Yep. Yep. North Dakota flair. That's what we tell ourselves. Yeah.

That's what we like to think. Yeah. No, Juju was an absolute gem to work with, the utmost professional. And I've learned so much from him but the coolest thing is is he the last time he came he was like you guys have been killing on youtube like what have you been doing i'm like wait what yeah excuse me but he's always trying to learn he's always trying to you know incorporate new things and connect with new people and yeah it was an it was an absolute pleasure and i'm glad that he's going

to be coming back here potentially in the next few weeks well and i it doesn't surprise me at all to hear you say that because i don't think anyone like in this space or even in anything really but finds that much success for that long of a period of time and is a dumbass yeah you know like there's that's not possible essentially you can like yeah you can have a little little splash of yeah but notoriety on something but to like you know have the businesses and put it all together yeah i just uh that's not an accident no it's not an accident it's not easy and it's not even though like maybe he does just uh appear like you said a certain way just to the casual consumer of some of his content yeah that stuff there's a lot of work involved with everything that's going on there and it just it

doesn't happen by accident or even someone like um larry wheels for example you know he's the butt of jokes at times and probably even some by us over the years but like you know the dude doesn't like make a go at all that that he's done just on accident either. You know, there's a lot that goes into that. Yeah, a lot more behind the scenes. Right. People think. Right.

Absolutely. And one of the things about Juju having such a huge audience that he has is he has demographics within his own audience. Like he has like the the arm wrestling crowds and he has the bodybuilding crowd. And then he has like the flipping and the trick crowd. And he has to be able to balance this, this style and type of content that he creates based on, you know, the activity of that audience.

Like it, so it's a, it's a, when he talks about periodizing his life, like he definitely does that like to the nth degree. And he has to in order to keep everything kind of flowing in the right way that's cool is there anything um about elitiefts do you think the average follower gets wrong or maybe something they wouldn't expect

about elitiefts that you've picked up from being on the inside? Yeah, I, I think for some reason, and I'll still kind of run into this online is people think we're huge. First off, people are like, Oh yeah, you're like right next to rogue, right? Like you're about the same size as rogue.

I go, you got fucking nuts. Like no way. They're like, Oh, it's not as big here as I thought. It's like, yeah,

because it's, it's only a few of us. Right. So but the cool thing is people, I guess we portray that we're bigger as a company, which can be good, can be bad. with us, they're going to either talk to Matt or Nate or Chris. That's it. There's not this massive sales team. There's not this incredibly huge building or warehouse where storing all these racks. It's like you buy a rack and then we call the company and it's like, okay, make this rack. It really is a very family- uh, uh, family oriented business. And I think that's one of the coolest parts of this is that it's like, okay, I get to be part of this. Granted, they've been around since 1998, but at the end of the day, I get to be a part

of this smaller family run business and just trying to help people get really strong, which is so frigging cool. Like, that's like the coolest thing ever. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to ask you about, uh, you competed in equipped powerlifting here and, you know, Tommy and I both come, we've done several powerlifting meets over the years, raw powerlifting meets over the years, you know, in sleeves, I've done a couple in wraps as the closest I've, you know, got to anything of any kind of equipment. Uh, you know, I've done several strong man competitions over the years. I know you came from a strong man background, just wondering, um, what your takeaways are from

the, your, your equipped lifting experience and how it compares to the, you know, the other training that you've done. That was? That was such a crazy world. So bananas. So like you had said, I come from a strongman background and strongmen are kind of gear whores in their own right, but nothing compares

to multiply powerlifting. And one of the biggest things I can say is that it has nothing to do with raw powerlifting. It the, one of the biggest things I can say is that it is nothing, there has nothing to do with raw powerlifting. It's its own thing. It's its own skillset. It's its own, uh, its own, you know, it's, it's entirely different than raw powerlifting and you can't really compare apples to apples one to the other. And like, I was just just like most of the people online is like who are these big fat slobs turning purple quarter squatting yeah 15 000 pounds like we all give a shit right but at the end of the day like the skill level you need to be able to get the most out of

your gear and to actually first off get gear that fits i got hand-me-down shit my training partners were like how much you weigh? I was like, I don't know, like 205. They're like, here, throw this on. Three weeks later, they're like, how much you weigh? I was like, I don't know, 205. They're like, oh, shit, don't wear that. That's for someone that's 240.

I'm like, what do we do? What the hell is going on here? But some of the biggest takeaways was the fact that it takes so long. I had 12, 14 weeks to go from no geared power lifting to competing in my first meet man when i tell you i had no idea at any point how much weight was on a bar i what we were going to do like i walk into the gym and dave's like we're doing this thing i was like cool man like do i do i wear the fancy pants do i put the tight pants on to do this? But it's, again, it really is that it's a different level of competition.

And the compression you feel in this shit, oh my God. I blew blood vessels in my eyeballs on training days, not even on the meet. The meet, I jacked myself up pretty bad. But it's this fight or flight thing that happens. You put this weight on your back that realistically, I don't think I could squat raw. And then it's like, okay, now unlearn how you squatted for your entire life.

Now we're just going to shoot your hips back. And you're going to go just about as wide as you can and make sure your adductors don't shoot across the room right like it it was just i i went in as a complete novice in this world and i had to go from zero to making it through and i say making it through because i was like limping through this friggin meat and I tried to bomb out so many times I couldn't even tell you it was it was just a wild ride and it was and I figured if I'm at elite FCS like I gotta throw my hat in the ring on this multi-plus like if I'm gonna learn from somebody it's gonna be from Dave and his training partners down there like I have to like i can't say i got the elite fcs experience if i didn't do at least one

multi-play meet but yeah no it was wild man like the weights that you would play with especially with like a bench shirt what the hell like i threw the bench shirt on which is essentially like a very aggressive bra like and it just like pushes your chest into all sorts of different, I have pictures. I can show you pictures. It's on my only Sam's account, but it's, it's,

it's horrifying really because it's like, all right, now you have to work up to 90% plus of your shirted bench press to even start practicing the technique of bench press it's like that's and i learned really like why like west side and the conjugate system like were really developed from louis is and why the principles are the way they are is because a lot of that came from the need of hitting max effort style training to just get the most out of the gear. Like you can't touch with a bench shirt unless it's like 85% plus. You can't get to depth in a squat.

If you have your full suit on, unless you have 90% plus of your squat on the bar and you can't do any of this shit by yourself. So not only is it a different skillset, like you cannot train multiplied by yourself right you just can't right you just can't even get into the suit like i was we have a carpet puller that attaches to the rack and that you hang on like percolate in like a coffee maker like you just kind of soak into the suit and you just kind of whip back and forth.

It's insane. So do you think you'll, will you do it again? Will you compete again? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And it's just so crazy. And it's so different from strong man training that it's a great way to,

you know, work on some weaknesses and just kind of have some fun with it. Because I, at the end of the day, like I made a recap video for the channel kind of going over how i did and i realized when i was making that i was like wow this is great to compete in something and to not really give a shit like to really be able to have fun with it you know yeah that's cool we'll be excited to we'll be excited to watch you do it some more than two yeah and you know what i think what we're going to probably do the next time is actually film a

little bit more of it because i'm telling you when the some of the best instances happened when dave was explaining something to me and i just i just stared at him and go dave i don't know what the fuck you just said, but I'm going to get under that bar that has 450 pounds of band tension. And I don't even know how much weight I'm going to put on my super suit and we'll get through this big Sam. We've got this little game we like to play. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it or not. It's called Overrated, Underrated, and we play it with every guest, and we've got a special Big Sam set of topics that are hand-picked just for you, and we'll go through them,

and it's your job to decide if each one is overrated or underrated, and you can elaborate on that as much or as little as you want to, but you do have to keep in mind that you cannot ride the line there's no line riding you do have to come up with ultimately an overrated or underrated for each one all right i have to commit i got it yes so if you're ready to play we'll jump into it here

let's jump right into it as long as we're taught we're just kind of in in this ballpark we'll kick it off with this one overrated or underrated circa max oh wildly overrated that shit just about killed me and i will never do it again as long as i live like in like one to four sentences could you explain what circa max even is okay i'm gonna put it as the the quickest way possible uh put an insane amount of band tension on the bar an insane amount and then keep loading plates until you can't do it anymore it's it's awful it's really really bad i've never had shoulder pain until i did circa max training with the squad so and is circa max something that you do right you know basically the final peak right before the meat like yeah so we ran

it for a three-week wave okay leading into the meat essentially it's it's a way for your body to uh get used to heavier tension and heavier forces that you wouldn't normally be able to do with straight weight right so it's like tricking the body but all it did was make myself feel like dog shit for three weeks bleeding into the meat which is an ideal so wildly overrated okay so you wouldn't you you would not recommend no even dave was like now that was pretty stupid and is that something that was uh a popular popular West side concept or not necessarily? So from what I've heard, it was a West side concept that kind of got bastardized to like the nth degree, right?

So it was the idea that you wanted to keep adding band tension. But the problem is, I think people started adding too much band tension. And when you add a certain amount of bands more than you usually do, it actually grounds you more. So it actually takes away from your ability to stabilize the weight. So, for example, we had about 450 pounds of band tension for me and my training partner. Keep in mind, my training partner squats wider than me and he stands at five foot four. So where he has 450 pounds of band tension, at 5'10",

at a sultry 5'10", I am squatting and I have no idea how much band tension's on me. And no one else seemed to care. They were like, yeah, it's the same. I was like, I don't think it's the same, guys. No, it's the same bands. It's gotta be the same.

It's the same. It's just, whatever. it's the same it's just it's whatever it's just same okay so next one here overrated or underrated batting average in baseball oh the batting average statistic yeah you know what i'm gonna say oh shit you guys are good you guys are really good. I'm going to say you know what? I'm going to go overrated. I'm going to go overrated. I'm a big fan on base percentage. Neither Tommy and I are huge baseball fans. We're not completely oblivious of the sport

by any means. Neither Tommy and I are huge baseball fans. We're not completely oblivious of the sport by any means. But yeah, and I think from what we picked up is that batting average really has continued to be phased out more in favor of those other metrics or war or whatever else there is out there. Yeah, yeah. Now, it's funny. I worked a lot with uh like high school and collegiate baseball players back in rhode island and now the baseball world is getting so much into more you know just all sorts of new data points and average like it i know it there was always a

lot of information in terms of baseball like statistics but now like with all like the different technology they have like rap soto and whatnot now they're looking at spin rates on the ball this and it's it's been it's totally beyond me i just try to make at the time i was just trying to make baseball players not be giant wusses yes did you succeed uh with a few of them but man it was an uphill battle i i told some of my guy you got you just need to play golf just play golf yes okay overrated or underrated burning the ships the concept of burning the ships okay you guys are good i'm gonna say you guys you guys are good. I'm going to say you guys are really good. I'm going to say underrated. I think more people need to have that mentality with things when it comes to making decisions.

So what would you say it kind of means to you? So I'm fairly certain you guys know that I have a tattoo on my back. This is burn the boats. And, uh, I'm sure your massonomic spies are all over the internet. Yes, they are. They're really good. You guys have a soundboard with me on it too. Uh, don't get ahead of ourselves here. Uh, yeah.

So essentially it's the idea that if you're going to commit to us commit to something commit to something fully see it through to the very end and then you know if you need to make a decision to change change like i took that into to full effect when i was like okay i have this opportunity to work at elite fts but i live in rh Island. That'll be very uncomfortable for me to have to drive all the way to Ohio and live there. But I can't not take the opportunity. So I was like, I don't know how this is going to work, but we're going to figure this out. And now I'm in an illustrious studio apartment in Columbus, Ohio. Just really living the dream right now.

just really living the dream right now yeah we we have we've uh discussed the concept before on the podcast and we actually have um our kind of take on it is you're familiar with how a rising tide raises all the ships correct absolutely yeah so we like to create a rising tide to raise all the ships then we burn them to the ground. It's just easier targets. I like what you're doing. We just like to try and stack as many boat metaphors as we can to everything we do. Yes.

Yes. That's perfect. Love that. Good answer. Okay, last topic here for overrated or underrated. Overrated or underrated, tatesounds.com. Ooh, wildly, wildly underrated. When I heard it for the first time,

I just about peed myself laughing because they are so... I'm not even just talking about the sounds that he picked, but the audio quality is so good it's like he's in your the room with you yeah and it really is fun fact for those who don't know there is a brown sound section where you click on it and it's the only time dave ever said good job sam and it's on recording so i so you sit at home and replay it yeah that's good that was uh that was big nate that kate that uh put tate sounds.com together and he is quite the genius i hope you're paying him absolutely less than everybody else oh so you're familiar with our unpaid intern

concept and program yeah okay yeah yes yeah so he he is actually really worth his pay yeah we we gave we like to give people bonuses uh based on a multiplier of their current pay rate uh so we 3x'd his his normal annual salary and i think he was you guys are far more generous than i would yeah uh great work though if anyone he and everyone's on our podcast has heard about it by now but we'll pitch it one more time tate sounds.com big nate put it together and it's hilarious it's and he puts he puts real work into the stuff that he makes too he's a man of many talents he kept he kept sending like version one version yeah he was kept he was like oh i just updated it i go man that's awesome i'm gonna play this shit all the time yes that was very good uh good news the results are in it

looks like you passed overrated underrated excellent love that yeah i i don't know what i would have done if i had people on the internet hate me ah yes that well we've never experienced that before yes it's really cool when you're working for a company about strength training and everybody's asking if you even lift that really makes you feel oh you probably don't get it as much as coop from garage gym reviews does no but i am going to try to grow the mustache out yeah that can be a thing oh there was one other thing it's just on the tip of my tongue that i wanted to make sure sure oh um the podcast we were talking about it was um matt uh was uh the salesman at elite fts

uh yeah good one yeah matt that episode you guys touched on a meme that we made before. And I don't know if this was just, you just briefly touched on it, but it was a meme about putting chalk on the bar. Oh. Yep. And it was, and I just, I'm only bringing it up just because it was really fun to listen to that and just hear dave uh that dave came across that you know that he because he kind of brought up that he just he had come across that meme um and i just thought that you know it just stuck out to me as just just funny that dave happened to come across yeah his radar yeah i don't think you realize how famous you guys are you know that thing you were saying about how how sometimes a company seems bigger than what it is?

Yeah, yeah. That's been our business strategy from day one. Well, I can't tell you about when you sent us the drink spotter. Yes. And I saw the box and I was like, all right, this is probably like a dildo or something, right? Like 100%. This is like a dick you put on your rack yeah oh we loved the reaction you guys you and dave had but he opened that up too i love

this we've got you know there's some of those sound bites from dave even on tate sounds.com but uh i just love it where he's like this is actually not this is a pretty good idea like here you're spinning like man they really did this yeah and then it's funny because he had it on his desk for a while and he was just kind of like watch he was like looking at it yeah he was like that is a good idea yeah uh we feel so justified now oh yeah i'm i'm sure that uh that that you're just rolling in the drink spotter money and you'll never have to work again a day in your life. Between that and lift shorts. That's the way it goes. We're practically retired. So do you, I know you're a McGill, I don't know what the technical term is. You're a student of the McGill method or a coach or, you know.

Practitioner is the name. Okay. You guys do such a better job with words than that. So I liked all of yours way better. But I guess what I'm getting at, so do you offer services, coaching and that sort of stuff also? Yeah, absolutely. Outside of Elite, I have my own business, Practice Movement and Recovery. You can find me at practicemovement.com.

That's where I have all my online coaching. I'm actually the McGill Certified Practitioner for the state of Ohio. So if anybody's in the area that has some low back pain, uh, I can kind of help them out with that as well. So it's kind of a cool, a little bit of a side gig to have learned from Dr. McGill and the BackFit Pro team, how to help more people. And like, at the end of the day, that's kind of like what my job is. I may be the director of performance, but like realistically it's about helping people get stronger and feel better and move better and just be happier you know yeah for sure that's that's great and i think probably everyone listening to us already knows everything about elite fts but i you know i don't know is there anything else that we missed or that

you wanted to shoot out there to anyone yeah i, if you guys ever want to see really close videos of Dave's face, go to our TikTok. It's now the biggest thing. Dave found duets. And it's like when... Oh, yes. Those are great. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like when your grandfather is on Zoom and it's like, where's the volume? That's kind of the vibe i get but it's it's really and it's really endearing you guys will enjoy that no it's really good uh and then so we're gearing up we're actually going to be in your neck of the woods in about a month so i know i have the pullout couch in my studio apartment ready for you guys all right you just bring your whole your whole kit and caboodle youle or whatever you say in North Dakota. I don't know. That's actually a really good one.

We should use that more often. You sound pretty good with that. Yeah, no, I'm pumped, man. This will be the first Arnold I've gone to ever. It'll be cool to totally stalk you guys and not actually say hi. Was that Sam?

I don't know. I think he's in the corner okay good he's not coming over uh no but for real we look forward to seeing you there and meeting absolutely well and like i told you guys like anytime if you guys want to come out to the compound say hi feel free we absolutely very very much want to do that. Okay. We just, we have to see about the logistics. You know, to be fair, it would be better if it was a different trip because we get to have a better experience out of it, you know, because there's just so much crap going on with this. Yeah, 10 billion things happening that weekend. But one way or another, we want to get. Yeah. Just like set up your booth and put one of those used cars.

Wild, wacky, inflatable tube man. It's like people just throw money at it. Cardboard cutouts of ourselves that just have speech bubbles that say, lift shorts are expensive. We'll just have Nate do some soundboards for us. It's just like a self-service booth then.

I think we're onto something, Jim. Excellent. All right all right well we'll see you then awesome i'm really excited thank you guys for having me on it's an absolute pleasure all right yeah thanks a lot all right guys have a good one were you worried if he was gonna get the cool i wondered i was like there was a pause for dramatic effect before the cool beans, but he got them, didn't he? He earned them.

He did earn them. He earned them. Those are his cool beans. Nobody can take those away from him now. Once you've gotten the cool beans on the MathSomics podcast, those are yours. Anyone can be on a podcast, but not anyone can get cool beans on a podcast. That's right, and let alone a double set of them.

A matched pair. You've got to match them a matched pair you gotta match them up gots to be matching them up i think are you reading that or am i either way either way it's fine maybe you should because i'm not ready you can get that ready for click on the draw here and that's fine because i was actually dying to tell people right now about Texas power bars. Buddy Caps first started lifting weights. You're familiar with Buddy Caps, right? The inventor of the Texas power bar?

Very familiar. Okay. He first started lifting weights in the late 60s and began power lifting in the 70s. At that time, he was working for Image Barbell building gym equipment. Around 1976, a local machine shop started making Olympic bars for them and calling it the Image Barbell. In 1977, that's when image barbell became champion barbell it was then that buddy started looking at the bars with an intent of changing them for the better so then it brings us to 1979 buddy bought his first lathe and began addressing all of the known issues in 1980 his passion drive and purpose now had a

greater mission but it is but he set out on his own to make what he believed was the greatest bar he had ever seen and trained with and the texas power bar was born and he was right it wasn't just what he believed it really was the greatest bar it was strong as a house it was the best had the best knurling and it was maintenance free hundreds of state national international and rhode island powerlifting records have been and continue to be set and broken on the texas power bar to learn more, check out their full line of bars at Texas power bars. It did Kim.

Thanks Texas power bars. Thank you. Texas power bars. I had a, one other thing that I, we didn't really bring up earlier on the show because we didn't have time, but I thought maybe now might be a good time to bring it up. We have nothing but time now. we could go for two more hours we might as well it's only it's only

wednesday night i only have to work tomorrow morning get both i only have to wake up uh probably early with my baby because she'll be awake and then get my baby yeah because baby and then get uh both of my other two kids ready for school and then get them both to their separate schools dropped off and then get to my work hopefully on time it's basically like you go to work before you even go to work it's like you get to work and you're like finally can breathe. It's not kind of like that. That is what it's like when I get to work. I'm like, oh, thank God. I just, like, oh. I only have to deal with customers now.

I'm like, what could they throw at me that compares to? For me, Thursdays are kind of nice because usually my wife doesn't work on Thursdays. My wife. So that means that life is pretty, because she has to be out the door much earlier than i do right so i'm typically doing the majority of the getting ready uh making breakfast getting the boy going up in the morning but usually thursdays are pretty a good day pretty pretty chill compared to the norm yeah tuesdays and thursdays are harder days for me because

that's when my middle child has to be at her school at a certain time you know in early time and yep it's just uh it is funny now how because i'm not you know i'm my own boss right i don't have to be on a strict time schedule and i'm not gonna be right i hate i hate strict time schedule everything i can do avoid a strict time yeah so like occasionally now i'll have uh meetings like a meeting or a phone call or something at like nine in the morning like not that i'm never not at my computer by nine but i'm like god nine i gotta really be on my game tomorrow make sure i'm ready which is i'm always i'm clearly i'm always have plenty of buffer but just knowing that there's a time out there it's like oh god i gotta make sure i got my shit together okay so i want i had something i wanted to bring up but i don't know where where i went on that

where we came from but oh we're gonna this is gonna take a while i guess okay um okay so we've talked about a lot of different food establishments over our time in massonomics right yes we have there's one we've never i'm pretty confident in 305 episodes the name has never been uttered and i want to bring it up because i question i believe it i guess suppose it exists I've never been inside of one I don't believe anyone likes it I don't it's a it's an establishment that I I it for sure exists I have never eaten there so that I have personal bias at this but I'm

fairly certain nobody out there in the world is like I love that place okay you got me really curious okay so the it's I had to kind of even look up the menu because I'm like what is it exactly that they have so the place's uh i had to kind of even look up the menu because i'm like what is it exactly that they have so the the place is red robin never have you ever been in never been in one never so i looked they have 535 locations that many wow and have you ever been in one do you know anyone that's

ever eaten in a red robin does anyone listening know anyone or has anyone listening ever been to a red robin i don't think anyone has it's funny to me because i kind of also in that same Does anyone listening know anyone or has anyone listening ever been to a Red Robin? It's funny to me. I don't think anyone has. It's funny to me because I kind of also in that same bucket picture two other companies. Okay. And I would say Fuddruckers and TGIF. And I've never had either one of those either.

I've never had either one of those, which probably makes me sound like a shut-in of something. I haven't had Red Robin, so it's hard for me to compare to the ones i have tgif is always to me more like an apple i'm at more like an apple bees and the chilies and maybe even a ruby too but i don't know what i don't know what red robin is so i can't even i just picture it kind of seemed like you know yeah it is which is kind of what apple bees and chilies are but right i don't i just don't like but i i have heard people say oh i'd like to go to chili's or oh let's go to applebee's everyone knows applebee's like everyone goes to an applebee's yeah and like some people like chili's uh you know i just am not convinced that anyone's ever

went to a red robin out of first choice red robin is because you're like, oh, we were going to go to this restaurant. It's so full. I don't know. It looks like there's nobody at Red Robin. Yeah, I guess across the street there is a Red Robin with openings right now. Like, have you ever heard of someone ever even like utter something about... Does Sioux Falls have one? I think Sioux Falls has a Red

Robin. Do they? Yeah. And have you, like, do you know where it is? No, I don't know where it's at. Fargo probably has one. I bet they do too. You got me really curious now if those places even have one because yeah i can't picture it even i just feel sawed in my element because i don't even know what the hell they have there but that's my point i'm questioning does anybody does anybody is it and people will certainly sound off on this if it's true when this episode comes out but like is red robin real is it real and if you're convinced that it's real is it like does anybody actually want to go there and i feel like the answer is no so how has it been a business for so long god i'm just with so many locations commercials red robin yum yeah i remember that absolutely

that's the only thing i know about red robin that's the only thing anyone knows about red robin like that commercial tells you nothing about what what they even kind of it's just a front it's probably an elaborate money laundering scheme is what you're getting that's i that's i'm really curious what is going on behind the scenes at Red Robin. Well, I have to look out for one when we go to the Arnold. It would be like it's almost kind of on the bucket list now. Just be like, what is it like in there? It would be funny. You go up to the door and it's all facade of cardboard

and the whole thing tips over. Or you go up and the is, the windows are actually, like the inside of the restaurant, it's actually just vinyl on the windows. Yeah, there's no, it's an empty, you go in. Even the windows are fake.

It's not, yeah, there's no entrance to it. That probably is Red Robin. I like that. I'm convinced it's something like that. Like has anyone, I really would, I bet I don't know anyone personally that's eaten at a red robin probably not i don't think anyone's ever eaten that one

now you say it i don't think so just they'd have bigger fanfare if people ate at them we have a very active discord i've never heard people bring up red robin can you i mean you brought up some examples like what i'm wondering is can you think of any other places that are like that is that are as much of a place and i to me you brought up fair examples because what do you say tgi fridays and budruckers budruckers and i probably have personal bias having been in both of those before but i feel much more aware of those places than i am red robin yeah yeah yeah like you you probably have an like fudruckers they have really big hamburgers right that's kind of the thing i just assume they have hamburgers i don't know but they're like they have some really big ones and stuff yeah yeah kind of i think that's what i remember but well my radar is going to be much more um red robin's i'm going to be paying attention i'm a

little skeptical of them over there i'm gonna see what they got going on and i was kind of wrong about the menu because i did look it up just briefly i thought is it just like i don't know it's picturing just like cold meat deli sandwiches oh i assume it's like burgers yeah and that's kind of what it is i think it's kind of like every restaurant you don't know what it is just oh they just serve burgers yeah it's yeah isn't it funny that's kind of like the de facto it's kind of like every restaurant. You don't know what it is. Just all they just serve burgers. Yeah. It's yeah. Isn't it funny? That's kind of like the de facto. It's like,

yeah, it's a restaurant. They have burgers. Like if you're not like when in doubt, Mexican or Italian restaurant, you have burgers or Chinese. You have burgers. Yes.

So Tanner, okay. That's an interesting thing that you brought up because we also have a game. We're going to play this week called Tanner Explains the Midwest. One of our newest, most fastest growing games. It is. And this, like every week, is a special edition of the show. Okay.

Oh, okay. This is a special edition of Tanner Explains the Midwest. Okay. And this is our fast food edition. Fast casual. I don't know. Well, you'll see. You'll see once we get in these you can decide so we're going to talk about some fine midwest eateries all right um did one other thing

the mcdonald's conversation that you and i had was that on air about what like what mcdonald's is like inside now oh uh no no, no, that was off there. We'll save that for maybe next episode. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's a, that's a worthy conversation to be had. That is,

that is. Okay. So this, for this week's edition of the game of Tanner explains the Midwest, I'm going to talk about some, I'm going to bring up some different fast food restaurants and you're going to tell me the go-to item on the menu. Oh,

these restaurants. Okay. They all have a bit of a midwest flair to them so this might be pushing your skill this might be hard this might be hard for you so if you don't have a go-to you could just so i'm saying what kind of the general what the general public might consider their go-to or is there a certain midwest you have a strong preference okay okay just what you would recommend on the menu okay if you had to make a recommendation yeah but am i thinking like is this like a good midwestern recommendation it's just whatever you think okay okay so first up first up culvers what is tanner recommending at culvers okay so it's a very midwestern chain culvers yes hilarious or very ironic i can't couldn't have told you the last time i went into culver's

except it happened to be saturday really yeah because we're at a basketball tournament and that's i don't know we're actually going to call we're actually in culver's yesterday oh mr one upperson over there more recently in culver's my wife said we should go get ice actually we wanted to go to a different place but their lobby was closed uh we dairy queen yep their lobby so close midwestern so we had to go to culver's which is fine their ice cream and and you said sorry my wife we can't go there for ice cream because they serve custard custard yeah they serve custard um so the go-to thing a butter burger cheese curds and custard would be what i would say is that's like a pretty pretty quintessential uh all-american culver's lineup right there yeah and me personally my

so my own flair i'd go the double butter burger with cheese they're very set on you specifying with cheese like those are separate menu items on their menu on their full menu really yeah there's the butter burger i don't eat at culover's enough to know that and i only know because i was there yeah they have the butter burger the double butter burger the butter burger with cheese the double butter burger with cheese and i'm like really do we need to like do we need to take up that much extra space for the with cheese line yeah um but that's what i would say you know it's the butter burger because a better brand of beef makes a butter burger better. Everyone knows that.

Better brand of beef makes a butter burger better. Cheese curds. I am a fan of their cheese curds. Yeah. And then the custard, I would go with the chocolate custard, but I think it's probably all good. I'm more of a concrete mixer kind of guy. Okay.

And I like to go vanilla because then I get the flavor from the things you put in. Yep, I get that. It all balances out there. Yep, I think that that's fair. But I think that's a good lineup. Culver's, always extremely busy. Their burgers are very greasy. My opinion on the burgers

is they're very greasy. Almost too greasy, it seems like. Do you think they're greasy? Really greasy too? I do, yeah. I think they are way too greasy. Yeah. Do they have square?

No, that's just, they don't have square patties. No, just, they don't have square pears. No, no, they don't. They're really greasy, though. They are. It must be the butter. It's got all that butter. Yeah.

Yep. Okay. Next one. A lot of really old people at Culver's all the time, too. That is. Do you think that, do you notice that? A hundred percent. Old people love Culver's.

I wasn't going to say it, but since you went there, Tanner, yeah. Not to throw the masters under the bus, but under the bus but old people love old people love culvers i if you are over 60 you don't there's like a 90 chance you love you don't have an option you and i don't know why that is it's not 60 and you get like i think you get a card from them it's a relatively newer franchise so it's not like these people were going there when they were kids i think just because it's just such classic cuisine and it is a little step up from yeah like your traditional fast food yep uh i think in what way is it really a step up though i mean i kind of feel like i i agree with that statement but if i really sit down and think about it like especially having after having just been in there i'm like kind of seems like well cheese curds for one there you go but

then like we were just talking about how greasy their burgers are, but they do feel a little more substantial. Right. Maybe a little less like processed beef or something. I don't really know. Process isn't the right word. I think the whole thing just feels a little less artificial. Right.

Than some other burger places. Yeah. I guess that's how I would say it. Yeah. But I just don't eat a ton of fast food burgers either. Right. I think that's kind of true, though. Okay.

Old people love Culver's, though. That's for sure. They don't have the option. They have to. All right. This next one, I'm really curious what you're going to say. What would you recommend on the menu at Caribou Coffee? Oh, God.

I would recommend going with my wife so she could order for me. Actually, we got a Scooters coffee recently, and my wife got me something from Scooters. And I said, I don't know. I like black coffee, but it's like you're making a special trip. So maybe I don't want something that has a lot of sugar in it, but maybe you could get something with a little flavor. So she got like a 2 know, with like a 2% latte.

Okay. Or something like that with maybe like a little, a half pump of something. Sure. Yep. Sounds all. So we're saying caribou, is caribou coffee,

a Midwestern. They're based out of Minnesota. Okay. So I, I don't know how far they go, but I think they're kind of more upper Midwest. I don't think they go too far. If I really was there by myself and under the gun and with people and in a line i would order a americano

would you really that's what i would do i guess because i've had that before and it kind of seems just like black coffee to me well you know what it is not really no so uh that's what i would order without exactly even knowing what it is but yeah because's what I've ordered because I've had it before. An Americano is, it's basically black coffee, but instead of getting your cup of coffee with coffee grounds, just, you know, drip coffee, it is an espresso shot. Okay. And then the difference is made up in water. Okay. So it's kind of like a cup of, it's basically an espresso shot that's been turned into a cup of coffee. I don't like the sounds of that as well, now that we've explained that.

But that's kind of, but I mean, it is very coffee adjacent right right but that's why i've gotten because i've gotten it before and i'm like yeah this is coffee i like coffee so that's good i do like i like black coffee i do too you know and that's my but i have a kind of a problem going to a place like that and ordering black coffee because i'm like a cup of black why am i here yeah i have black coffee at home and it kind of tastes like this. There's a cup of shitty black coffee at work that I could have right now. Honestly, I can't. I don't know.

I like coffee, but I don't have a refined palate. I like mostly all. I can notice the difference in how different black coffees taste. I have a hard time saying this one tastes significantly better than another one. If anything, you're like, this one tastes stronger than this one. That's the biggest difference for me. So do you have a better answer than my terrible answer on that one? See, my thing with like around here, if you're talking like fast coffee chains,

like it's for the most part, historically, it's been Starbucks and Caribou. Caribou being more of an upper Midwest thing. My knock, their naming is a little too cutesy. They get a little too cute with it. Like Starbucks, for the most part, it is kind of the name is kind of what it is. You can kind of sort of say that name in most places and they'd get what you're saying.

Where like Caribou coffee, it's the Northern Lights Latte or it's the Mocha Campfire, whatever. Like they have more of those you know they've branded the names a little more which i guess to their credit maybe adds to that experience but it is like sometimes i go there i'm like i want a caramel macchiato like where is the caramel macchiato and then there's yeah it's the caramel high rise or something like they have different names for everything like most people aren't ordering black coffee from those places right i don't think there's a ton of people that do um because like those it's not really like a it's some of it's

barely coffee it's almost like this is like the bah humbug view of it but it's like it's more just like dessert beverages that you're going to get a lot of them a lot of them are really loaded with sugar right like they're just kind of does like if you it'd be like you know i go to dairy queen and get a chocolate milkshake like that's basically what like if you it'd be like you know i go to dairy queen and get a chocolate milkshake like that's basically what like if they put caffeine in the chocolate milkshake yeah that's why i always i always tend to i personally like to for the most part go after the things that are more coffee based and then maybe just have like a a light splash of flavor of something else it's not this whole blended concoction of everything

with like but 50 of it filled with whipped cream and like you know there's all this ice and sugar and all these different flavors and a pump of this and a little bit no i don't do that i usually keep it pretty simple so all right okay next one on the fast food midwest edition what would you recommend at taco john's taco john's of course a massonomics uh staple okay seasonally if it's uh if it's christmas time you know the nachos i mean nachos navidad has to be discussed although that's not really what i would order at taco john's it's not really what anyone wants to order no um for certain occasions six pack and a pound could make itself make a case for itself which for people that aren't familiar six pack and a pound is six tacos yep with a pound of potato which we've talked about before.

That makes a case for itself in certain settings. Do you get the cup of nacho cheese with your olays? Definitely. Yeah, you got to have that cup of nacho cheese. But the correct thing to order at Taco John's is the meat and potato burrito. That's really hard to go wrong with that one. That's what you, if you ever get to go to taco john's for the

first time what you want to order is the meat and potato burrito that's their most signature item and if you're me i probably want to order two meat and potato burritos and potato olays and the nacho cheese sauce because one meat and potato burrito is not all that big for the average person right yeah that's true for the average person it's gonna be enough like sometimes what i'll do honestly is you know if i'm getting taco john's in a driving situation what i'll like to do is i'll just even just order two meat and potato burritos i won't get potato olays they're in the burrito yeah you know so i get i get two meat and potato burritos i won't get potato olays they're in the burrito yeah you know so i get i get two meat and potato burritos and i'll get like one ground beef is the preferred meat from taco

john's in my opinion absolutely um sometimes i will just to spice it up i'll get one meat and potato burrito ground beef and one chicken i don't know if i've ever had a chicken meat and potato burrito it's it's good but the beef is ground beef is better it's just it's like ground beef is always better almost the flavor profile with the ground beef and the texturing right right i would be outside of yeah okay occasionally like i might no i don't my wife orders hard and soft shell tacos i don't get those oh no it's just too it's just not enough there i especially i'm not going to go to a place and order hard shell tacos either. So I'm just trying to think of the last time I was at Taco John's

where I didn't get either a meat and potato burrito or a grilled stuffed taco. Those are the two that I always go with there. Yeah, okay. Oh, they do actually. Have you ever had their breakfast? Oh, yes. Okay, they have a breakfast meat and potato burrito. They do.

They also have like a spicy, or it's their spicy chorizo sausage burrito. Okay. And the way they get to the spice is they just dump a ton of jalapenos in there, which is kind of weird for a fast food place. Yeah. And they don't, like it's not- Taco Jen's breakfast is very good. Yeah.

And it's not like they just sprinkle some jalapeno. Like there's actually some bites where like that bite was all jalapenos. Yeah. It's an odd amount. So they got that going for him too i guess um i had oh the tacos are tiny they're very very small like you get a soft shell taco that's for all yeah that's a i could eat that in two bites yeah and i'm not exaggerating they now have a thing that's not just a six pack and a pound anymore they have it's that's not just a six-pack and a pound anymore. You're not saying the six-pack and a pound is going away. No, no, no. I thought it was the first time I saw this, but then I realized. Because that would be a travesty.

They kind of have built off of that. They've made another item here. The family pack and a pound. Okay. So is it just bigger? It is. Well, it's still a pound of potato olays, obviously. Yep.

Maybe it's actually just the family pack. Is that four containers of potato olays? No, it's two a pound of potato olays obviously yep and maybe it's actually just the family four containers of potato olays no it's two it's okay um i'm gonna i don't want to mess this up so i'm gonna look but uh is that really a pound uh maybe it's wait before it's i don't know here it is okay so it is all right load load load here we go what page cannot be found come on uh it got they took it off the menu here it is family pack in a pound the price is significantly more six pack in a pound is like 10 ish dollars family pack in a pound is 16 but not a. But I think you might like this, Tanner. It comes with two beef meat and potato burritos. Okay. Four beef soft shell tacos and one pound of potato olays. So two of the tacos are upgraded to meat and potato burritos.

And it's $16. That's not bad. So you're getting pound of potato olays, four soft shell tacos. But, I mean, you're still getting four soft-shell tacos is the downside to that. Yeah, but there actually is something there where my son likes soft-shell tacos. For my family, it would work great. Right, right. Because I'd have the beers myself.

Right, right. No, there's something to that, actually. Something to think about. Yeah. Okay. I think maybe I'll circle back around on that once I've tried it. All right, final one. Final restaurant on the list this week, Tanner.

Okay. Pizza Ranch. What's the deal? What's the deal with Pizza Ranch? If you've ever ordered pizza, like specifically ordered pizza, like for delivery or carry out, or I want pizza from Pizza pizza ranch you need to be checked

like mentally you have a disorder because the way the government puts you on a list because you can do that i know you're unwell you can do that but i don't know anyone that's ever done that it's almost like in the red robin territory i don't know people that have like been like oh we really want to get order some pizza tonight what do you think pizza ranch should we order a couple pizzas from pizza ranch if you did that you it's not a thing that do not just here's your warning don't do that if you're not midwest savvy like my the real midwest advice is don't do that and it's not that bad pizza you just don't do that no you don't do that pizza ranch is a buffet um so i mean you ordered the short answer is you get the buffet the more detailed answer the things to look out for on the buffet

start i'll start with the end which is the dessert which is the cactus bread right probably the most notable thing at uh pizza ranch is the cactus bread which is uh you know like a yeah brown sugar dessert pizza with frosting yeah of some kind on it's really good yeah that is good and deniably especially if it's hot and you know that's good um although although it be named pizza ranch i'd say another thing you need to make sure to hit up is the fried chicken yeah i'd say probably their two signature items are cactus bread which is the dessert and fried chicken and that is their thing the chicken is good therefore i really like their fried chicken it's damn near as good as like it's up there for my like fried chicken list and i like

fried chicken we can't get fried chicken anywhere in town we don't have kfc anymore i know we don't have kfc uh like the only other places you can get get it and you used to be able to get it at the airport cafe that broke their well knownknown for their fried chicken, actually, but the only other places are the grocery store delis. The deli counter, yeah. But Pizza Ranch has really, really good fried chicken. Other things I'll throw out there, they have chicken fingers and mashed potatoes.

Not bad. I always go for some mashed potatoes. Not bad. I always go for some mashed potatoes. Sometimes I might kind of have wings of varieties out there. It's only certain days they have the wings or certain days they have the chicken fingers. The start of the line is always the cheesy bread.

It's pretty good. The secret to that trick is you never like you, it's a buffet style. If you go up there, never even bought, even if it's a brand new, because it's cut circular like a pizza. If it's a brand new thing of cheesy bread, cut out the center pieces and just take the center ones and leave the edges for some other poor sucker. Don't get the edge pieces on the Pizza Ranch cheesy bread.

And then their pizza is not that good. I mean, it's not bad. It's not that good, though. It's not like out of all the pizza places. When I'm craving pizza, that's not the pizza that I have in mind. Never. Like you'll go and it's serviceable. You'll eat the pizza.

Yeah. I don't even know what Chuck E. Cheese's pizza is like, but it reminds me of whatever Chuck E. Cheese has for pizza. Something that a rat would serve you. Like the pizza is not that good it's not thin crust and it's not a thick hand toss it's like uh yeah i don't yeah it's not you're right it's not thick and it's not exactly like a thin it's not a crispy thin yeah i'm not sure what you would call it for sure their taco pizza is pretty good see if you like taco pizza that's a separate thing yeah like i love tacos and i love pizza but i'm not a big taco pizza guy they have the is it called the denver or the they have some catchy

names oh yeah or bronco maybe yeah the bronco i always remember the bronco one is not not a bad pizza i think that one has like bacon and pepperoni and beef yeah something like that the bronco is not too bad but their pizza is not that good don't go there for the pizza you go for the buffet yeah it's the whole thing yeah get the fried chicken get the cactus bread get the mashed potatoes and gravy is pretty decent and then just get a little pizza just because you're at a pizza you know yeah yeah uh they do have a saucer just cause you're at a pizza, you know, pizza buffet. Yeah.

They do have a saucer rice cream machine. That's true too. So you can get that at the end. That's true too. I'm curious what the buffet costs. I haven't been in there now since pre COVID was the last time I was in pizza. The thing about pizza ranch is like, I haven't left,

I haven't been there for, I haven't been there post COVID either. Actually, I don't think, but, or pre or whatever whatever time thing you want to use to make that make sense of that but um i haven't went there like prior to that in last maybe the last like five to ten years and not kind of felt

sick having left not even if i overeat but it just i there is just kind of feel sick probably not even lying i think it's closer to 75 chance chance that every time I eat at Pizza Ranch, I will have severe diarrhea within an hour of living there. There's not many restaurants I can say that. Where it's like almost a guarantee. So you're like, is it worth it? Because there would be times where we'd be driving around. You'd be kind of hungover.

And you'd be like, where are we going to eat? It's like a younger time. All you had to worry like, where are we going to eat? Like it's like a, you know, we were younger time. All you had to worry about was like what you're going to eat on the weekend. And someone in the car

would suggest Pizza Ranch and she'd be like, I'm already hung over. I don't need diarrhea too. Like it was just like, I already borderline have diarrhea. Let's not like, I don't need to make this

whatever I'm going on like even worse. So that was kind of sort of the nail in the coffin for me for Pizza Ranch. It was just the last several times I had it. Yeah. Just did not sit well for even, I couldn't even make it an hour. I used to love Pizza Ranch when I was like in high school. It was like my favorite place to go.

For me too. I'd be like, yep, Pizza Ranch every time. Sign me up. Even in college kind of. Me too. Yeah. I used to go there a lot in college. That was like the first place I ever had a buffalo chicken pizza and i thought that was so crazy and

now it's like a pizza has just turned into this thing of like all right what can you put on right but um yeah you get the buffet at pizza ranch but i don't know maybe don't go yeah you got to try it once i guess you need to decide from there everyone should go once yeah i mean you'll at least at the very least you're going to eat a ton yeah you're going to get no shortage of food and i was it always used to be pretty cheap that's why i was curious though is what their pricing's at nowadays because i bet it's 10 bucks probably but for a while it was like eight bucks which yeah you can eat a lot of pizza and fried chicken and oh yeah all that stuff for eight dollars yeah that's that doesn't take long to cross that threshold at many places now. All this bad mouthing it, though, does kind of make me want to go there and eat it.

I mean, with all that stuff being said. Think about the chicken. I still do want to eat it. Their fried chicken is really good. Yeah. I would still 100% take a chance on it again. But going into it knowing there's a good chance you'll be sick when you get done. I'm just like preparing myself to be hurt again.

And then you get done. You're like, oh, yep. Don't need to go back any time again soon. I and we also left out they do have a full salad bar too we left true yeah yeah i don't care about that i feel like you're doing some fine dining you start with the salad bar right and really work your way through i have a hard time like wasting much of my stomach space in a buffet on the salad bar though yeah it just feels like it's a formality that you're supposed to do it you know and i like that they've got they've got the salad bar classics too you know they got the peaches in the sauce the peaches you would get like in high

school yeah they've got the peaches like that the chocolate pudding container and the cottage cheese they've got all those are like the quintessential uh like yes we have salad we also have these sugar sauce peaches like just swimming in sugar sauce chocolate pudding yeah and kind of i had a buddy in high school that was one time he's like i'm just gonna see how much chocolate pudding i can eat at pizza ranch and he ate a lot of chocolate pudding yeah i mean it's not bad chocolate it's if you really the generic chocolate a good fat hack at Pizza Ranch, actually, is get the cactus bread and chocolate pudding and dip it in the chocolate pudding.

It's real fat. I can see it. I feel like that would just kind of... I feel like those two don't necessarily go together. No, it tastes pretty good, but... I would enjoy each of them separate. Yeah. I don't know what to gather on that.

Dipped. Not, like, nicely layered, but, like, actually dipped in it. Scooping. It's like a way to get the pudding into your mouth. It's just a vehicle. Yeah. All right. Well, that is Tanner's fast food guide to the Midwest.

That was good. Those are good places. All restaurants. If I had to rank them. Based out of the Midwest. What was it? Taco John's, Culver's. Actually, I think Taco John's is based out of Wyoming.

So they're not technically the Midwest west yeah but they're um you know prevalent and what would you rank that order in on those what was it taco john's culvers and pizza ranch was there one more caribou oh caribou's last and they kind of aren't necessarily in the in the same park as those other ones right that they're a coffee place caribou is number four taco john's is number one those other two are pretty tight for me i maybe on popular opinion on popular opinion and maybe doesn't even jive with what i just all said but i would go pizza ranch 2 and culver's 3 i'm not that big on culver's it's fine it's i think i would go culver's 2 and pizza and Pizza Ranch 3 just because. And I think that's probably more common.

Just because if I'm going to get pizza, I'm just going to get pizza in so many more places. If I'm going to get a fast food burger, Culver's is still going to be high on the list. That's good. If I'm going to get a fast food burger, number one is probably going to be Wendy's, and I'll probably put Culver's at two. Yeah. What do you like better overall, Culver's or Dairy Queen? Overall.

You have to factor everything. You can't just say I like Dairy Queen? Overall. You have to factor everything. You know what? You can't just say I like Dairy Queen better for ice cream. It's tough because both these restaurants, 99% of the time, only get in their ice cream. I'm like hardly ever eating at these restaurants. Dairy Queen's food is not that bad in my opinion. It's not that bad.

I think a lot of people like their chicken tender baskets. And I don't order to that. I don't get that. Because you get the white gravy. Yeah, people go crazy for the Dairy Queen chicken tender baskets. I love the memes of like, you're 10. Your mom says you're going to go out to eat. What do you order?

And then it's like, chicken tender is a cup of Sprite. It's just like, no matter what restaurant. It doesn't matter the restaurant. but that's like, yeah. God, it's tricky because I do really like Dairy Queen ice cream. They have really good ice cream. I think I'd probably pick Dairy Queen ice cream over Culver's ice cream. But I think on food, I'd probably pick Culver's over Dairy Queen. The thing about Dairy Queen is they have hot eats and cool treats.

Hot eats. One hand, hot eats. Other hand, cool treats. It's the yin and yang of the food life cycle. If you grew up in the Midwest and you did play any sports and you grew up in a rural community like we did, you probably spent some time after games and things going on the bus to dairy queen and get then you had the coaches

love dairy queen that's coaches love it because you know why it's the hot eats and the cool treats it's not just if it was just one or the other they only had hot eats or only had caught cool treats it wouldn't be that appealing but you really got me thinking hard over here though if i had to pick one. Like, I'm thinking of it if, like, one's got to go. The other one has to go away forever. Like, one's got to go.

Yeah. That's really hard. And if one's got to go, I think maybe I'd just keep Dairy Queen just purely for the ice cream because I do like their ice cream that much. I would make Culver's go away. Culver's is last to the party,

so they're first to go. Okay. Okay. The only thing, i could just just keep their cheese curds i would do that maybe it's kind of surprising more places don't have cheese curds as an option because everyone loves fried yeah cheese right right it's like a universal thing that's like a universal bar food though to me it's like all the but they're very expensive yeah that probably they're very very expensive yeah yeah yeah that probably is why they don't do it. They're very, very expensive. It's just the price of it, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I could see that. Like, there's nothing probably cheaper than a French fry. I also assume that's going to be one of the cheaper things. Right, right. And that's kind of the thing that it's replacing in most of those, you know. Upgrade. Got to charge that upgrade. Right.

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