Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 306: Brian Alsruhe

Episode Date: February 14, 2022

Big Brian Alsruhe joined us for this one to talk about the peaks and valleys of his life/strength journey. We also get into living life secluded in the woods, and who would win in a throw down between himself and John Cena. The Strength Co: https://www.thestrength.co/ Hybrid Performance Method: https://www.hybridperformancemethod.com/ MASS to save 5% on all training & nutrition Fusion Sports Performance: https://www.fusionsp.net/ MASS to save 20% on all FSP supplements Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! side everything massonomics i was just zoning out for a second i forgot this is where the part was gonna happen i'm like wait it rides on us talking here no one is going to do it for us welcome back back everyone this is episode uh 306 of the Mastodonomics podcast, the lifting podcast about nothing. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. We're back recording live from Western Northeast South Dakota. Of course, we've got another guest this week. We've got a whole list of a whole full rundown of topics we're going to get to maybe

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but I just know that it looks good. And there again, favorite part, Mass. Discount code Mass. Save you a massive 20% on your full order. Thank you, FusionSP. Thank you, Tanner. Ianner i gotta get it out of the way right now you know we always talk about how the discord is such an active community it is a really active that don't know yeah if you want in on the discord you just go to massnomics.com join and you can listen to the podcast in real time like the people on the discord currently are but in case you needed further proof of it tanner up in the corner it's pretty busy in here even discord is telling us it's busy in here oh it says consider

changing the server's default notification settings oh to what like what do you change to for uh change the default notification settings to at mentions only to help out your members i think it's trying to say that way you would only get send out notifications when it's when you're oh right right don't you just do that on your phone if you don't just turn off notifications on your phone if you don't like them um i don't know it's a super busy yet super busy active discord community isn't it that's it's so it is so busy that we're getting notifications from discord they're like whoa whoa whoa whoa we never intended for this thing to be this active.

No one was supposed to be talking to you. Yeah, you guys are like taking this Discord activity to levels we never... Our servers cannot handle this. You guys took this too literally when you said you could talk and be active. Like, oh, we weren't joking when we said it was an active community on there. No fooling here. Yeah. Well, now that we got that out of the way,

we do have a pretty good list of things to talk about. Yep. Like always. Pretty good rundown. Did you see the shirt I'm wearing? I did. Do you know what this is? That is, is that an OG shirt?

This is the first ever. Islamic shirt. You know, there's an order of like 20. And that was printed with like a distress scene on it. Isn't it it's not just old i couldn't remember now looking at it if it was just older if that was the case but uh i think the original did have distress like this right actually you can't tell if this is just old or distressed i know and actually i would have had one of those too but i think since then i've mine has a bunch of holes in it and little holes from like i don't know from belt and stuff i guess i don't know it and little holes from like, I don't know, from belt and stuff, I guess.

I don't know. Probably from like 2015 sometime, I think is when we got. It would be. It'd have to be from 2015. Yeah. It's a relic of days gone by. I saw it sitting there and I'm like, I think I need to give that thing a test drive. I better dust it off and put it on.

Yeah. Make sure it still has all its magic powers. And does it still have them? It does. I feel stronger just by wearing it feel the mojo yeah good good good nobody stole my mojo uh tanner have you played wordle yet no still have not no no i now have some more insight into it as i've played two whole games okay is it fun or apparently not addicting if it's uh well you can only play one game a day

it's each day each day is like the wordle of it is like the day gotcha maybe there's uh well you can only play one game a day it's each day each day is like the word it is like the day gosh maybe there's ways if you pay money or something i don't know but as far as in my very casual usage okay you get the game you win it or you don't win it whatever happens and then it says your next game unlocks in whatever did you win it i've my first one ever what do you get five tries my first one ever i got three you get? Five tries. My first one ever. I got three tries. I felt pretty good. The second one I played, I got it on the fifth try. It was a bit of a guess and I got it. I felt good.

And then I started the one tonight. I got busy with some things, so I haven't got to finish it yet. What I was going to ask is like, so on your first try, does it have to be a word or can you just type in RST? It does have to be a word. Because I want to, you know, do the old wheel of fortune, be like, I'm going to hit up all the most popular letters and then I'll know if those are in there or not. It does have to be a word. Because I want to do the old Wheel of Fortune, be like, I'm going to hit up all the most popular letters and then I'll know if those are in there or not. It does have to be a word so you can see it there.

A yellow letter would indicate that it is a letter that belongs in the word, but it's not in the right spot. Green would be it's in the correct spot. Someone probably knows this, but I assume there's one word that's always the best to start off with. Probably. I mean, it's just like in Wheel of Fortune,

you know by the numbers R, S, T, L, N, E, whatever are the... So you brought up Wheel of Fortune twice now here, Tanner. I have to say, my wife likes to watch Wheel of Fortune. My wife. My wife, she likes to watch Wheel of Fortune.

Is Pat Sajak still the host? He's still the host. Is Vanna White still the... She is still the letter lady. Yeah. Just tonight, we saw history made. Actually, last night, we saw history made on Wheel of Fortune. It was the first time ever,

two nights in a row, where someone won $100,000. Two nights in a row. Normally, the big money one. First of all, a lot of times, people don't even win the last thing you know. Normally, the big money one or the normal price is like $30,000. Is there the mini wheel that you spin? The mini wheel, you spin it.

You go to your spot. You read the thing. Because it's either like a card or $20,000. And it's usually like $38,000 or $39,000 or a car. That's right in that basically same value. But there's always like a $100,000 one in there. So for a $38,000 car now, it's like a six-year-old used SUV. Or like a 12-year-old used SUV with 100 hundred thousand miles on it that's a honda civic that is recently out of its lease but like what was it two nights ago the guy got a hundred thousand and

we thought wow don't see that too often then he was kind of making jokes like oh man it'd be crazy to see two in a row last night the guy solves the yeah the guy solves the puzzle hundred thousand dollars he goes two nights in a row never happened in the history of the wheel of the wheel of fortune then he kept making jokes he's like yeah tonight if we got a third one happens i'm i'm going to vegas yeah and the lady says the things she got like one letter he's like oof uh i guess good luck with not a lot of help yep yes yes that is what he says not a lot of help not a lot of help. Yes, yes. That is what he says. Not a lot of help. Not a lot of help. Not a lot of help. Right away. No, no, no.

Guesses it. Goes $100,000 three nights in a row. Pretty crazy, huh? Dang. I bet it's rigged. And that's probably. Pump it up. Pump it up.

He said, we will be in front of a congressional committee. You know, he's always getting some dumb remarks. Yeah. That's probably more than I ever want to talk about. The price is right. Wheel of fortune god can't get those right what's better i don't know i don't know actually i feel like when you're a kid you say price is right because it's always all these people screaming and you know it's all these gimmicky games i don't actually know i don't really care that much what do you think huh i my initial gut reaction i was gonna

say the price is right but actually as i think about it like the game itself i'm more interested in playing along with the wheel of fortune you can actually kind of right right price is right it's just a bunch of people screaming price right yeah that's actually kind of annoying um i think your wife is probably like about 50 years below the average wheel of fortune watching age oh i've discussed this multiple times because all of the commercials are geared at people that are geriatric. Jeopardy is better than

the Wheel of Fortune. I do like Jeopardy. After that, they had the college edition of Jeopardy. College edition Jeopardy, I really like. Do they do way easier questions for that? They are easier. I don't watch Jeopardy very often and that came on. Or maybe it's just questions we generally get better. To me, they are easier questions and i was saying that i'm like

damn if i was on jeopardy i'd be winning money right now like this would be good because watched a couple weeks ago and it wasn't it was not so hot but yeah yeah i was feeling in my element on this one okay we've really covered all the game shows that exist now not all the game shows we'll circle back around to that someday okay what else do we got here well what don't we have that might be a shorter question to answer have you been keeping up on the olympics at all no i know about like the uh this is um this is what i know about the olympics this this is uh tanner explain poorly explains the 2022 winter olympics yep there's a woman from the usa whose name i don't know i don't know first last name don't know what she looks like never seen a picture or video or interview or anything but she maybe she might have the most gold medals ever by an American man or woman in skiing or something

like that. And she was the favorite going into some events and she tanked, you know, she did piss poor and yeah, somebody else won. So yeah, the way, and then she kind of had a little bad, a little, a little attitude about the little clip I heard. I'm like, oh. So the way I understand it, because apparently, I haven't looked into this much, but apparently like where they're holding the Olympics, it doesn't snow. Okay.

So all the snow that's, right, right. That's, that's how these things go. So apparently all of the snow that's made there is artificial snow, which artificial snow I think is more icy and crystalline than like so i see yeah then regular snow so i think that's the problem i think it said in one of like the downhill events like a third of the competitors didn't finish which apparently never happens but just to uh show you kind of so so okay this is the men's uh the freestyles the men's big air skiing so that is where they go down the hill

they just do their biggest jump biggest trick they can yeah for big points okay so i'm gonna show you two pictures here one's the close-up or one's the kind of far away and the second one's the really far away so here's what the ski hill looks like okay looks like you have like some nuclear reactors in the background okay yeah so there's just like an odd place for a ski hill you know now this is what the second photo is when you zoom out where that ski hill is someone made it in the discord today i think it was a big jeff our resident financial advisor he made a uh well actually i shouldn't be giving any unpersonal credit the discord crew made a meme of that, and it's a drink spotter right there instead of that.

Okay. Yeah, I've been very busy. I haven't been able to, the Discord's so active, I haven't been able to get in there today. It's a super active community. Is that insane to look at and be like, yep, that's where they picked to put that damn thing? Him posting that was the first I had seen that,

and I didn't know what it was for sure, and I kind of, I eventually figured it out, and now that I see that, it really makes sense but uh yeah that's insane it looks like it's just an artificial ramp right or it's a man-made ramp with artificial snow on it and it looks like it might be in the middle of like the world's biggest industrial district yeah um everything's dead and gray around it i don't really care about the winter the winter olympics is uh substantially less interesting to me than the summer olympics and i think part of it is that the sports are almost all rich kid like there's no like they

very much there's no sports that like like what are the events that your average person could grow up doing well i shouldn't you it's kind of tricky to say average person because your average person in this case also has to live in a cold area kind of true uh or but even if you live in a cold area like you're like what's the one that like if you didn't grow up like being able to afford like ski passes for the year where you could like even be competitive at any of these things yeah the skiing one's a little tricky because pretty sure they have like people from like minnesota and wisconsin and stuff that are in like skiing and snowboarding and you don't have to be like especially privileged but you definitely have to like get good at an early age and have someone recognize you and

then get sponsorships and stuff yeah um but yeah i do get what you're saying where it's not whereas track and field you can go run anywhere soccer you know like the summer games there's so many that like swimming you know like there's the barriers to entry or the barriers to be able to even like participate are so much lower yeah i would say yes the barriers are way lower but also your chances of ever being like good are so stacked against you because there's so many people doing but that's why it's way better competition because you are getting like like it's not like you have to have grown up in a certain area been been above a certain level of income, had like parents that wanted to push you into that. Yeah.

Like, like there's nobody. I don't actually know I'm making this up, but like there's nobody in the Olympics for skiing right now that like picked up skiing when they turn 19. Oh, no, no. That's not possible. Right. Part of it because all that stuff's so high impact like right you're you're retired by the time like you're in your late 20s right um what was i just gonna say related to this and and i'm maybe i'm missing some winter olympics events that like i'm

just thinking of all of like the most apparent ones to me yeah like the snowboarding and the skiing and i think uh i i'm pretty sure i caught this fact was like norway has the most winter olympic medals and the most gold winter olympic medals by like quite a bit which is also kind of yeah i mean when you look at the numbers of right right country populations like the fact that norway is there too also but that kind of even that emphasizes that point to me like norway is the leader in the category by population. Right, right. But like they can grow up, you know, like pushing those kids.

Yeah. You do need to live in a very specific place to even ever have a shot. Whereas with the Summer Olympics, that's not the case for most of the sports. Yeah, and there's probably, there's for sure outliers in the Summer Olympics that also like would be equal. Equestrian. Right, yes. Yes.

Actually, a lot of the Olympics is weird. Actually, yeah. When you, okay, first of all, how big is the competitive ribbon dancing one or whatever it is? I don't know. Is there thousands of people that are in a competitive level of that?

Were we talking to someone that made the comment about the Olympics not existing someday? And I not existing someday and i don't know that's something i like i could see them going away like i think like i could vision a world where the olympics because especially because of like all the political stuff you know like between like some of like china and us and russia and stuff like i think the olympics become less interesting as time goes on well but i think those countries also use it as like a bragging contest that's why i think right they'd be hard pressed to want them to go away because yeah they want to say like we are the best but i don't know i think people like watching sports too much to for those to really go away

yeah it's just another sporting event that's on all the time like it's not all the time but not invest any time into except for once every four years and be like yes i really care about skiing now and uh i i heard like a clip of an interview of that woman that i was talking about i don't know what her name is and she i think after she did poor on her second one she's she even made the comment like yeah it's the Olympics. Like tomorrow, nobody's going to remember my name anyways, or something. And I'm like, that's true. Good point.

Yes. Well, and along those same lines, like when we were watching skeleton, I think is the one where they just lay down and go down this thing. How many people ever get to get good at that? How many people ever even get to do that? Only people that do it in the Olympic, like only if you're're like yeah you're gonna do this in the olympics in america how many people have ever been like i'm a competitive skeleton athlete is there hundreds of them is there a hundred of them i don't think you even think about getting that in that unless you're like have a decent chance of like making the olympics right where does that

even exist though where outside of the olympics i'm saying where does that damn sled hill or that damn little thing they go down exist probably the olympic training center like i guess there's one in colorado yeah you know we're in the upper midwest where it's snowy and cold i don't know of one that exists anywhere i've never heard of it so no or bobsled bobsled matter too same thing yeah is there a bobsled run within well i know in jamaica they made one like that had wheels on the bottom and they could just do it off of a hill it's amazing what you're doing john candy's on your side right wasn't it him was he in that movie was john candy in uh was he the coach wasn't he john candy what yeah it wasn't john goodman right i don't think it was john goodman it was john

candy john candy okay yes yes yes r.i.p john candy okay yeah wasn't that just recently i'm not sure it could have been recently or like 10 years ago or 20 i'm not really sure actually i wouldn't believe that too yeah he could have died a week ago and it also could have been like a decade ago either one of those sounds correct um i'm gonna read us an ad quick all right good this episode is also brought to you by the strength co grant brogy was born in the late 80s nearly two decades after buddy calves began lifting in the late 90s grant's brother jordan bought him the new encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding by arnold schwarzenegger and Grant's love for weightlifting began. In 2001, Grant joined the local YMCA and

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that died even like a comedian i don't know there's no way of ever figuring this out would you say grant brogie is kind of like the buddy caps of our generation you know i've never thought about it that way but i think you might be onto something there yeah he is kind of the buddy caps of our generation yeah you know the 70s and 80s had their buddy hats their buddy caps yeah buddy caps and now we've got buddy brogy buddy brogy yeah yep i i think there's something to that there is oh bob saget that's oh yeah that's right samsonite yep was way off big jeff pulling through on that one financial advisor jeff okay so we talked about the olympics we talked about wordle um i've got a story we also have

a drop coming out this week that we want to talk about at some point yeah so we will have a drop coming out on well when this comes out uh it'll be the drop will release on thursday like always which what is the actual date the 17th 17th it's going down and we don't want to give too much away but this this drop might fulfill some real wishes for people out there yep there's a real i mean this is this is the biggest thing we've come out with since the Drink Spotter. This is. The Drink Spotter revolutionized beverage safety. This next thing is going to revolutionize another thing.

Yeah. And we're not saying that lightly. This is a game changer for us. Yeah, it really is. You know, I mean, we joke about everything, and it really kind of is uh it's a next step uh this this is it's where it's a new league it's a new ball game it is a whole new ball game with this next thing i guess we can't spoil too much but it will be that'll be coming out thursday we've got a few other items in that release there's another new item that a lot of people would be excited about that we're not

positive if it's going to make it into this release or not yet because this doesn't haven't showed up for us time crunch yeah if that doesn't make it in this one it will for sure be coming out shortly after yep and we got a couple new teas in this drop too that i think people will be excited about also yeah i want to talk about it more but i don't want to spill any beans on this no especially the cool ones oh i cut my beans on ice i do not want to talk about it more but i don't want to spill any beans on this no especially the cool ones no i cut my beans on ice i do not want to spill those and then wednesday this week the 16th that's when we'll be doing our reddit ama yeah ask you'll be able to ask us anything next week's gonna be one for the record you can literally ask us anything on reddit and we'll

answer it well it doesn't necessarily mean we have to answer they can ask anything true you can ask anything it's not an answer we wouldn't say it's not an us answer everything it's not an ae answer everything so i'm excited for that that's gonna be fun yeah that'll be good never thought i'd get to do one of those so we'll listen more watch out for the drop we'll talk about it in detail next week when we record again uh but we're pretty excited about it wouldn't you say we are um we've got high hopes i have high this is like the drink spotter we had pretty high hopes and it would really suck if they were crushed. Fortunately for us, they were not in the same situation on this one. Got some very, very lofty hopes.

Yes. I'm wondering if we should save the story for, cause I do have a, I have a really, I have a really fun mass dynamic story that I'm excited to tell. And I'm just wondering if we should save that till after we talked to Brian today. And then also it'll give the Discord crew a reason

to make sure to tune into this next week. Maybe that's what we should do then. Okay. It is a very good story, though, just to tease everyone a little bit. I've got this real fun, interesting, it involves the law. I will say the law was involved,

and that's all I'm going to tease for now. Okay. Okay. You have my interest. Has everyone's interest peaked on that? Very interesting. But something we can get to now is supporting our supporting members. Yeah.

Now that's. And you didn't have a beverage over there, did you? Oh. Okay. Let's do beverage first. Beverage first. Then we'll do square. Tanner, I'm very glad you reminded me., did you? Oh. Okay. Let's do beverage first. Beverage first. Then we'll do square. Tanner, I'm very glad you reminded me.

I kept sitting here thinking. Okay. Put your damn blindfold on. Okay. This is a blindfold. This is a blindfolder. I'm excited for this one. So now we're even building suspense on supporting our supporting members.

I like big keys. Oh, you can't see them. Well, I have a blindfold on, Tommy. Okay, you ready for this? Yep. I'm fully blindfolded. This is a what's in the can. Tanner?

What state are we in now? The can is in your hand. That's a can? That is a tall boy. Tall, skinny boy. Like the can feels like one of those big Red Bulls to me, even though I don't really know because I've never had a big Red Bull. Whoa.

Whoa. Okay. Okay. okay okay that tastes um tastes good let's see i'm getting tropical vibes okay you know like tropical skittles at first i thought there was something grapefruity. Now then it was hitting me a little more tropical, more like coconut. But then I'm wondering if it's a little pineapple.

I don't know. It feels very tropical. It's like a spark. I feel it's, I don't think these are flavors they often mix, but I'm saying it's like coconut pineapple or maybe it's like tropical punch or something. I think it's like coconut pineapple is my best guess. Okay. I don't think that's a bad guess.

Why don't you go ahead and take a look? Tropical mango. Did you take a closer look here? Oh, is this an alcoholic beverage? It is. Oh. You cannot an alcoholic beverage? It is. Oh. You cannot taste alcohol in there, can you? No, let me take a closer look at this now.

So we have a Topo Chico Tropical Mango Hard Seltzer. Everyone's really in on that game, aren't they? I did not know that they were a part of this game at all. Did somebody tip you off on this? My brother brought over a case of them. Topo Chico Hard Seltzer Spiked Sparkling Water. Do you have to call it a hard seltzer and a spiked sparkling water? That kind of seems redundant, doesn't it?

Tropical Mango. So I did have the tropical. You were, yeah. That was a pretty good guess. I felt the tropical vibes. I would never think to say mango. I actually don't really consider myself much of a mango person, but this is pretty good.

And, you know, I guess maybe once I know that it has booze in it like it does. I wasn't headed that. I didn't even have that feeling. No, I wouldn't have gone that way. But when I know, then I think I kind of know. Uh-huh. I just don't know if it's my favorite flavor. No, no.

I'm still not a mango guy. No. That's never going to be my first choice, but it's good. Yeah. I could definitely recommend these. I'd give this particular one a three, I guess, is what I would say. I'd go three and a half on this. Three.

3.5 JD power. Yep. I'd go three and a half on three to 3.5 JD power. Yep. I'd say that's okay. Well, very good. Now let's get to our supporting our supporting members segment. And this is a relatively new segment that we've had on the podcast. It's relatively new in the sense of this is our 306th episode.

And it's only done like 10 times. Everything's relatively new on that time scale. It's a relatively new segment. One of our fastest growing segments in popularity for sure i could say one of our more active segments it is that there's like always this buzz around like oh what's going to be on supporting our supporting members this week like we better tune in to find out because it's a relatively new segment and it seems palpable you can feel it yes you can you can uh you can actually it goes like and that's oh it goes to the beat of staying alive not that part

so what supporting our supporting members is is we have a group of supporting members who choose to support us through our website there's an option there what's the website the actual specific mass.com slash join you can do that or just go to our shop and our website go like a third of the way down you'll find it there's a picture of a couple of us sitting there tommy and i in our chairs like just like this right now and you can choose to be a supporting member there's a few different options there there's like four different options you can pick from all of those options get you into our discord crew extremely active we've mentioned it a few times here uh there's a discount code involved it's in there you have to get into the discord community and you can find that code it's like a treasure hunt it is i almost don't

even really know where it's at but people are finding it so it's kind of like that nicholas cage movie where he's looking for the declaration of independence ah ghost rider that's the one yep yep exactly what i was thinking the one where they're on have to land the plane on the las vegas yeah yeah they're cons yep yep ghost air face off have you seen face off I have not no okay so it's Nicolas Cage do you think I mean he's like is he a good actor I don't feel like I have enough insight

as to actually answer that I think at one point people would say yes I don't even know I mean he's kind of a meme in himself yeah that's why I don't know I haven't watched an actual new Nicolas Cage movie in probably 15 years. Okay, I'm going to tell you right now my favorite Nicolas Cage movie. What is it? Gone in 60 Seconds.

I've actually never seen that one. Really? Mm-hmm. I haven't seen it for like 15 years. What's the... Angelina Jolie. Yeah, yeah. No, I know what you're talking about.

There was... And he listens to... Before a big thing, I know what you're talking about. There was. And he listens to, before like a big thing, he has to listen to like Low Rider. And then he's like, okay, let's ride. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, okay, let's ride. Yeah. Or drive.

There's one that gets hyped up a lot. Is it like something Arizona? It's like Chasing Arizona or something like that. Actually, Con Air is kind of good. I don't know that that holds up at all. lot is it like something arizona it's like chasing arizona or something like that actually con air is kind of good i don't know that that holds up at all actually no i do remember renting that movie when i was a little kid yeah and i can't tell you a thing about it because that would have been i think raising arizona raising arizona there you go i think that one's supposed to be pretty good um amazing movie there we go right there okay uh and then of course uh what the hell's the one

with the declaration of independence national treasure national treasure or national treasure too that has to be one of his more popular ones right like those are that was those are pretty big movies at the time like that seems like a not good movie but i can't lie i'm pretty i'm entertained by national treasure at least i don't remember that i don't remember it really either they go to there's a saint scene where they're either. There's a scene where they're at Mount Rushmore. Really? What's the lake? One of the big lakes that's right... Pactola or Sheridan?

Yeah, I think they're at one of those lakes even. See, I don't even remember it. I don't know if they're really there or not, though. It's probably filmed in some other place. What were we talking about? Oh, supporting our supporting members, of course. So you can be a supporting member and then so every every week on the show we like to highlight a few of those people you know they support us we like to turn around and support them a little bit so for this week we had a couple people that just recently competed in powerlifting are you familiar

i have heard of such a thing okay and the And the first one was Jacked and Ginger. He goes by on Instagram and in the Discord crew. He just competed this week. And I think he had a total meet PR. I don't remember what his, I don't have a screenshot what his total was, but I do have specifically on squats. He went three for three, 463 pounds on a third attempt for a pr on squat i think overall on the day he had a full full power lifting total pr2 and that's really all that matters yeah jacked and ginger i

would say those are the only two things that matter a squat pr and a total pr that's what i always have said i ever care about yep and then the next one is big uh big austin big austin turner yep he competed and he did a squat pr with 391 pounds a bench pr 226 pounds a deadlift pr 468 total pr obviously of 1086 pounds nice under the tutelage of jonathan oldham, coached by the one and only Big Jonathan. Yeah. Was that his first meet, do you know? No. He's done?

He's done, I don't know, at least one before that, and I don't know if he's maybe even done more than that, but I know he's done it because he's got the blue. Oh, yeah, that's right, that's right. Yep, I knew that, I knew that. Yeah, I did see that singlet, and kind of caught me off guard right away because i'm just not used to seeing a blue one of those things no yeah that uh i kind of had to do a double that does have a

different pop to it doesn't it and just also shout out to a few uh new supporting members this month just quick shout out big patrick welcome to the crew big christina welcome to the crew big zach welcome to the crew big adrian welcome to the crew big joel welcome to the crew wow i think they'd need like a round of applause for that yes party so thanks supporting members uh we'd love to have anyone join in on the club. It is, all jokes aside, it is pretty fun. I think a lot of people get a lot of enjoyment. And you just, I think you just have to get in there and experience what it is for yourself to really understand. You don't know what you're missing out on until you actually find out.

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Everywhere things are accepted. That's what they say, isn't it? That is what they say. You know what we should say to the Discord crew? Later. Get out. You're out we should say to the Discord crew? Later. Get out. You're out. It's an umpire.

I like how we keep them around for the last ad. You know? Like, they don't have to hear that, but we keep them around for the last ad so that they can get in on that. Are those jerks finally gone? They're finally gone. Okay. I can say whatever I want about them now. Should we get Big Brian on the horn?

Big Brian. Let's do it. On the Mastanomicsics horn it's a big horn isn't it we'll dial him up on our rotary rotary phone here what's happening fellas big brian is that you hello hey brian can you hear us can you hear me yes we can can you hear us yes yes i feel like i can now i'm sorry okay no terrible reception in my house no we're all good we we've got you live on the massomics podcast with tanner and tommy what's up brian uh-oh um oh we're losing him oh hold on let me try to move. It's that damn Maryland cell phone service. Bro, I...

Can you hear me now? Yeah, we can. Right now, we can. We can, yep. Okay, terrific. Yeah, I should be good here. This is kind of like, for anyone listening, this is kind of like one of those Verizon.

Okay, so I get like... I'm sorry, go ahead. No. No, it's kind of like one of those Verizon. Okay, so I get like, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, it's kind of like one of those Verizon cell phone commercials at this point. Yeah, we're starting strong. Starting strong. Yeah, everyone buckle in. It's going to be about 45 minutes of us asking each other if they can hear us.

No, we're super excited to get you on. We've been wanting to do it for, for quite a while. And, uh, we've got several things we want to talk to you about. So sure. I appreciate you guys having me. Awesome. And you know, we know you've been on several podcasts before and you you've told some of these stories before. And like a lot of times with a lot of guests, we like to ask them some stuff that they haven't maybe been asked 10 times already, but some of your story is really interesting. And I think like we got, we just kind of have to revisit some of that stuff because there is so much to unpack with that. And I think if we got anyone listening, if this is their first experience with you, we'd be doing like a disservice if we didn't get into some of that stuff.

Sure. Yeah. I know. It's kind of a unique story comparatively to most people. Right. It is. It is. And so hopefully you bear with us when you've already explained some of this stuff before. I'm happy to answer anything, man. Awesome. So I guess the first thing is even just your handle on Instagram, and I don't know if you use it elsewhere, and I know it means something to you, but NeverSate. Yes. I think that's the first thing. If someone's not familiar, they look you up on there. They want to know what that is.

So could you give us kind of your explanation of that? Sure. So actually, I got the name. It's stolen, completely stolen from one of my buddies who had a band and it was called never say and i i went to go hear him and afterwards i was like man like what does never say mean he's like never satisfied never satiated and i was like oh and it stuck with me so then uh years later the the band didn't make it sadly sad for them uh but years later when i was starting a gym i was like i i want it to be more unique than than something different and to me like this whole the whole thing about lifting

weights isn't just about lifting weights it never has been it's about like challenging yourself in different ways in different ways and and just weights is one of them so never say it actually means to me like constant and never-ending improvement no matter whether it be like physical, if you can't do physical anymore, then you got to go mental. If you can't do mental, go spiritual or emotional or whatever, whatever. Just always get better. Like never stop improving some area of your life. Cause if you stop improving, like it's kind of over, you know? Yeah, absolutely. I think that's a, that's a great philosophy to live by and what

about okay along similar lines now suffer beautifully you know i see that uh as a maybe another mantra of yours yeah 100 so suffer beautifully is is something that like um i i owned still own uh it's just no longer public but i own the gym never said athletics and uh we train super super hard uh we we've had a lot of really successful athletes come out of there um but we're known for just brutal training sometimes stupid uh some people call it but we just we do it a little bit differently than most and And so people suffer there. It's a lot of normal people just doing literally impossible things. So that's why people with like cerebral palsy or adaptive athletes ended up coming to our gym all the time because we didn't really care about what people thought they could or couldn't do.

We just kind of pushed them and kind of saw where the chips fell. And yeah, so everyone who walked the door suffered no matter what. And you always have a choice, right? Everyone's going to suffer. Everyone's got something going on, right? Whether like your mom's sick or your wife has something going on or your kid or your friends or your financial troubles, everyone's got something and you deal with it a lot of different ways. But to be able to suffer beautifully is something that is a not very used skill anymore these days, I don't think. So it's something that I just adopted, and then I'm sure we'll get into it. But then I got sick and, like, real sick, like going to die for years sick.

And it became, like, what I live by, you know what I mean? And it was actually like one of those things where you like throw something out and you're like, oh, this is going to sound super great. Oh, it's going to be awesome. And then like life actually turns on you. It's like, all right, well, I guess we'll see if you're going to live by this or it was just a cool thing on a T-shirt. And I got to kind of get tested with it this or it was just a cool thing on a t-shirt and uh i got i got i got to kind of get tested with it so it's been a ride yeah for sure when we we do we do obviously want to get into that and and hear that story too i mean because it is a pretty powerful uh uh unique

story that you have is probably you know there's not a lot of people that have experienced those same things um you talked about the gym i would like to hit on that too uh never say sure we we also we have a little we have massonomics gym which is not really a public gym either it's we kind of operate it like a club gym we've had it for about six years and um we're somewhat open to new members and stuff but you know there's no signage. We don't advertise for new members. It's in the basement with no windows, never had a sign, and we don't encourage new members. We kind of want it to be hard for people to find out about it

because that's the first barrier. Yeah, and not like that it's some exclusive thing but more so we want people to be there that just really want to be there and like that's kind of one of the ways that that uh self filters then where it's like boy i don't even know exactly how to get in how i someone comes up they don't know how to get in there so they have to uh just start digging through figuring out a way you know start, start DMing people, messaging people, sit around outside the door, wait for someone to open it up, you know, whatever, whatever it takes. And that's just a really good filter that if they're going through those links, they probably really, you know,

have a strong desire to get in there, which is a great step one for someone that we're looking for. But like you said, you, you were operating it as a public gym and you made that change. Like what was some of your, your reasoning for making that change? Uh, pretty much the coronavirus. Well, to be honest, two, two reasons, right? The first was, uh, when I shut down the gym, I shut down the gym approximately two years ago. Um, pretty much right before the coronavirus, like I literally it down, and then the coronavirus literally shut gyms down like the week later. So I did make the decision, but I chose not to reopen because of all the junk that went on with the coronavirus.

But what actually happened was I got sick to the point that I literally could not be the coach I wanted to be. And I was just not there very often. And that was pretty not cool when people like would watch my YouTube channel and want to come train with me. And then I just want to be there. Luckily, I had some really great people. And the Never State family is one of the most amazing group of people like ever. Like if anyone on the East Coast has ever been to a strongman competition

within relative distance of Maryland, like they will know our people. people like ever like if anyone on east coast has ever been to a strongman competition within relative distance of maryland like they will know our people and uh they're just super supportive really great so they always cover for me and stuff but um yeah when i got sick to the point where i didn't think i was able to do the job the way the job was supposed to be done then i chose to shut the whole gym down um which really sucked because literally like two literally like two months beforehand men's health or men's fitness one of those magazines uh featured us as one of the top 50 gyms in the entire nation and then literally shut down like right after um but i mean that that's how things go and then once the coronavirus kind of hit and like people were getting charged fines

for opening back up and it was just it was such a mess that i was like man i our athletes are so intense about whether they are making workouts or not like i worry about shutting down for snow and things like that like what am i going to do trying to weave through this mess and so uh once it was done i was like man you man, you know what? I'm shutting it down. And then I didn't end up selling any of the equipment when, well, that's not true. I sold it to some other members so they'd have equipment at their houses. But during that time when people were making bank off equipment and stuff, I just never sold it. So it all just sat. We downsized the gym a little bit. and then once things kind of

cooled off with the whole virus stuff uh now it's just open to previous members for free so um the previous members who used to go all the time still go there and train and we go there i don't really do videos there anymore or else a lot of people will want to come visit and things like that and since it's not staffed that's just not something that we can really do that easily. You know what I mean? But I miss it. I miss coaching. I was there tonight coaching. So I still get there. I still do it semi often, but it's not like I was before, but yeah, I'm, I'm back to just seeing people in person and coaching. Okay, cool. So tell us a little bit bit about your your journey here and kind of starting with your strength journey you know i know you're competing a lot in strongman and then uh uh

leading up to you getting sick and so how did that how did that go sure um well i think my my journey actually started like everyone else's journey at like early teenage, you know, with like, well, for my generation, like cement weights on like someone's basement. You know what I mean? And just pretty much bench press, bench press, bench press, like through high school and stuff like that. And I was always pretty strong. But in high school, I actually went to high school with Mike Jenkins. I don't know if you guys remember who Mike Jenkins was. Yeah, absolutely. So Mike and I went to high school together and we used to go back and forth

for pound for pound, who was the strongest guy in school. Um, Mike obviously weighed like 315 at the time. And I weighed probably like 115 or something. Um, but like, we always had like a strength thing back and forth. Right. And then, um went off to college and didn't really speak too much to college. We'd see each other every once in a while during the summertime and just catch up and stuff like that. But I'm kind of separated from college. Got back together when we were both trainers at the same at the same health club, Athens Health Club at the time. trainers at the same, at the same health club, Athens health club at the time. And he just had got started into strong man. And I was doing MMA and I didn't know anything about strong man, except for the fact that like,

everyone was like 400 pounds and like six foot eight. And I was like, I don't apply. Like I just not built like that. I'm going to keep doing this MMA thing. I think it's cool or whatever. And Mike kept trying to get me to do the thing. He's like, dude, you're plenty strong. There's weight classes. It's cool. And I'm like, I don't want to be a big fat guy. Like it's not my thing. And, uh, so I always promised him and promised and promised him and like, just kind of placated him. You know what I mean? And we're pretty good friends and stuff, but I always kind of felt crappy about like kind of lying to my friend all the time. Just saying like, yeah, yeah, man, someday, someday it'll happen.

Anyway, fast forward. I end up getting a job with the government to do counterterrorism for like 10 years. So I kind of go away for a while and don't really keep in touch with anyone from back at home. Mike, meanwhile, goes crazy on the strongman circuit, moves to Pennsylvania, opens a gym, opens a CrossFit gym, is like doing all this awesome stuff. I'll see him on like Christmas watching World's Strongest Man and stuff like that. Um, but I had not really spoken to him. We, we lost contact, obviously. At the time, I'm looking for a place to stay because I'm trying to quit my government job so that I can open my gym. I'm going to sell my house to have some money to get the gym going. I'm looking for a really cheap place to rent. I run into this guy, my wife and I run into this guy who just happens to be Mike Jenkins' first sponsor.

He sees me and he knows me from YouTube. He's like, hey man, I've seen you on YouTube. I'll sponsor you if you ever want to do a straw man competition. I'm like, well, I'm doing the semi-may thing. But he wasn't really into that. But he was all about sponsoring for a straw man competition because of Mike. And he's like, look, man, I'm going to have a Christmas party this year where Mike's going to be there. Why don't you come to my Christmas party? Maybe Mike can talk you into it. You guys can catch up. It's going to be great. Right. Um, I agree to go

to the party. I'm excited for it. As it starts coming up, Thanksgiving hits and Mike dies like Thanksgiving morning. So I'm actually in Charlotte airport doing my old job. Uh, when I get the call and I'm like, I can't believe like, like my friend's dead. Uh, and so instead of going to a Christmas party with Mike, we ended up going to his funeral, which sucked. And, uh, the crazy part was Mike was such a cool guy that when we were there at the funeral, like I didn't know who any of these guys were, but I'm a, I was a pretty decent sized guy at time, probably like two 35, uh, like six foot tall.

So I'm never really like the smallest guy in the room. And I walked in this room and everyone from around the world, world's strongest men had flown in. And so like, literally like everyone's like 400 pounds, like seven foot tall. Right. Um, and just everyone just showing such respect. And it was really, it was really, really cool. And I saw in these people's eyes, like a certain intensity in lifting that I hadn't really

seen because I had never done competitive lifting. Um, and I actually just found out that I had a brain tumor, so I couldn't get hit in the head anymore. So I can still do jujitsu tournaments, uh, but I could no longer do any MMA stuff. So, uh, I was kind of looking for a different Avenue and I'm sitting in, in the church pew at Mike's funeral and I'm, I'm crying. And like, I'm sitting here just going, I lied to this guy so many times saying that I do this thing. I'm sitting next to a guy who's crying. He said that he paid for me to do a competition completely serendipitously, without any of this showing up, and here I am, right? And I'm like, stupid, like, 80s movie. I'm like, man, I'm going to do the next strongman competition.

I'm going to sign up. I'm going to do it just because I told Mike I'd do it. I'm sorry. It's emotional. So anyway, like, three months passes by, and I still have never went to a strongman gym i i've never touched a strongman implement in my life i knew nothing about it never watched the full world man i didn't know who brian shaw was right so uh i actually talked to carrie who is actually carrie shaw uh now but at the time she was married to mike so I know that sounds kind of funny, but Mike's wife, Carrie was married to Mike. Once Mike died, she got married to Brian. So Mike, Mike's wife, Carrie calls me and she's like, Hey, I heard you have no idea what you're doing. You want to call into my GM.

I strongly and implements for Mike. You can like screw around for the day and I can show you what I know. She was a CrossFit like instructor. So she like showed me how to use like farmer sandals. She gave me an idea how to like pick up an Atlas stone. Uh, she showed me how to pick up a log literally like the weekend before my first competition. And I walked into, uh, a competition in West Virginia the next week and I, I ended up winning. I came in first place. It's really ugly. You can see stuff online, but, uh,

I mean, I just kind of like muscle hump my way through, you know what I mean? And, uh, won first place and I qualified for nationals, which was literally like, I don't know, like two, three months later. And I was like, man, this strongman stuff doesn't seem that hard. Uh, I train a little bit. I I'm going to do okay at nationals and, uh, went in nationals with literally about as much training as i had for that first competition and just got smashed i think i came in like 22nd place or something and i was like all right so this isn't quite as easy um anyway after that i got kind of hooked i decided that i'd open a strongman gym start a strongman youtube channel it all just

kind of grew and kind of took off without me really ever even having a passion and then um got involved with brian shaw had got to go to arnold with him and like just got to do a lot of crazy things in the sport that like i feel very very fortunate to have gotten to do um and i was actually competing in strongman and doing pretty decently i'd been to a couple national, never was really close to like doing well, but like was doing okay. And then one day I started feeling sick in the morning and every single morning I would start feeling sick. And then I started throwing up and then the throwing up increased to like twice a day

and then three times a day. And then it eventually got up to literally every single day I would throw up or dry heave 30 to 50 times um I had stopped really eating much at that point obviously because I'd be like standing in the middle of grocery store looking at stuff and literally just without warning just throw up and uh it got so like embarrassing that like it wasn't worth eating until I went to bed at night and knew I wasn't going to be out public anymore. So I went from, at the time was 273 pounds all the way down to like 207 or 206, I think. Um, and so that was pretty drastic. Uh, and then, uh,

really was kind of did that for a couple of years. no one i had gone to doctor after doctor after doctor no one had a clue what was going on anyway uh i go to the arnold again and this time with uh miles taylor i don't know if yeah if you guys you guys know miles taylor is yep he's coming to my house tomorrow morning train so we uh did he one of the years when we were at the Arnold, I think he did something, he did a lift there. I was up on stage with him. Yeah, was it a stone lift? Myself in there. Yeah, we're his two coaches.

Yeah, what was it that he, was it a stone lift or something? No, he did a deadlift at the time. He was very famous for a stone lift. Right, right. Like a stone lift video. But, I mean, he got an SV. He got to, like, call out drafts for nfl players like yeah um so anyway really really good dude um so i was there at the arnold with him and we

got to eat breakfast with like arnold schwarzenegger and stuff like just stupid things you know i mean just it was really really cool and um what what where oh i'm there and i run into mark bell who i'm who i'm friends with and mark is like hey man i heard like you're like dying like what's going on mark's very blunt and i tell him what's going on he's like hey man i have this doctor friend who only sees like special house personnel and people have done stuff overseas why don't you call contact her and see if she has a clue because no one else has a clue. And literally doctors were going, you are the healthiest dying person we know.

Like, I don't know why you're throwing up, but like, it's going to kill you. And so like at this point, at this point, how long has that been going on? Uh,

probably about two. Well, the throwing up has probably been going on for like four years at this point, but the heavy throwing up probably two or two and a half years. Okay. Is that, uh,

you know, throwing up every day, all the the time every time you eat i mean is that like hell on earth or how would you describe that um like imagine if you have a flu yeah right all done yeah like forever because i still i it like i still throw up five to ten times a day every day right now. That's why my voice is kind of scratchy just because it's burnt from bile. So yeah, it's just part of my life right now. Hopefully it'll go away eventually. Anyway, this doctor

I drive to New York City and see this doctor and she deals, like I said, she deals with nothing but like literally her husband's a SEAL, like she's real and they're like the whole seal community and stuff like that anyway she takes one look at me and she's like you have worms she's like i see this all of the time it's just american doctors don't see this so she tests me for worms which interestingly enough i have a hilarious video about it i'm not going to do it justice here but in order to get

tested for uh this stuff i had to go to this really old man that's like down the street on fifth avenue and uh he sticks a 10 inch probe up my butt uh so like i had to get it twice just to make sure i didn't like it yeah but who hasn't been there before that's what i'm saying right like you have to experience everything in life just to make sure so uh so it turns out that i'm positive she was dead on and i had a couple of different parasites right but the biggest one is something called schistomyosis which uh it's a worm that if your body touches some sort of water that has these snails in it uh they can somehow like swim through your skin and that's how you can track it and it kills

240 000 people a year in africa alone um and so like in africa people get this all the time you can walk into like cvs whatever cvs is in africa and literally buy pills for like next to nothing that will cure you of this however in america since they don't see it all the time i was throwing everything i possibly could at it and literally this lady gives me a prescription, which is super expensive in America, by the way. But yeah, so that cured me. However, the worms had done damage because this had happened sometime when I was overseas with my old job and kind of had laid dormant for God knows how long so they were doing damage the entire time and then when it decided to like expose itself it just is uh not really stops now i just deal with like the

symptoms of it but i don't actually have the parasites any longer but uh i mean i've gone from like 30 50 times a day to 5 to 10 so that's significantly better you know what i mean oh yeah that's man that's wild so random is this i mean the hope that the i mean will there be a full recovery at some point in time that like it no longer affects you hopefully um i had to do 40 sessions of hyperbaric chamber and not like getting to the tent hybrid chamber like they put you like in a tube and it's like a submarine like they crank it down and it takes like 10 minutes to get to pressure and then like it's it's not like that it's not a small space the way that like a uh like an mri machine but it's it's bigger than that but it's if you're claustrophobic, it'd be tough.

And it's funny because it takes 10 minutes to bring you back up. So if you're freaking out and you're having a panic attack, you're not getting back up quick. Deal with it, man. You got 10 minutes. We'll see you soon. It's funny. But yeah, so I did a bunch of sessions of that, and that helped a lot. But all that is paid out of pocket So it's not covered by insurance. So that's,

that's let me back away. So hopefully I'm going to get back into doing that. And I think that could potentially take it the rest of the way. I think I would hope, or at least definitely improve it some more. Wow. So, I mean, mentally, how have you, I mean, have you kept your spirits up in this whole process or has this been pretty tough mentally? Cause like, I just think of myself, that would be really hard. Like, I don't know how you're going, man. Man, that it's, it's really like when you're a kid and like you throw up and you know how you get that fear, you're like, Oh no, what if this never stops? And that's like your biggest fear as a kid, except it happened. And I'm like, that sucks.

So, I mean, there's ups and downs like with anything. And I mean, when it was like 30 to 50 times a day and literally I'd gone, I don't know, man, I don't want to exaggerate, but it was double digits of different doctors that I'd gone to and gone to as many tests they could put me through and no answers. When, when I was at that stage, it was pretty dark. I'm not going to lie to you.

Cause I was like, I can't continue this. Like this isn't something I'm going to do for another 10 years. But then I started getting better. And once I started getting better than obviously things got better, I'd like to say that I was a nice guy all the time, but I mean, when you're nauseous,

I mean, I was sick throwing up like a couple of months ago. And that one night, I think we've talked about it on here. I was like, this is it. I'm dying. I can't do it anymore.

That was one night. So I know, but bro, I mean, you got to think about it. Like you can adapt to absolutely anything. Right. And you think about like what human beings live through on, a normal everyday basis in other countries and stuff.

And you're like, man, like, I can walk over and get water out of, like, 12 different sinks in my house. You know what I mean? Like, my life's not that hard. Like, even throwing up, it's not that bad. So, like, you can always throw things in perspective. And honestly, man, like like anything like your first week of something is hard and then second week's a little better and three years is easier than your first you know like so i mean i don't know man you find reasons to find hope all the

time otherwise you don't and we won't be having a conversation you know what i mean that's the bottom line like so through that uh through that whole thing were you always able to continue training of some sort or did it ever just like were you ever just not training just unable to or just nothing nothing there for that at that point i trained the entire time okay but i i've never stopped like training in my life the way that like people stop training. I've broken my back twice. I'd never stopped. Like just kept,

obviously the training changed, but like through the throwing up, like I was always doing what I could do. And also, I mean, when you have an entire gym of people and then as dumb as it sounds like followers on, on YouTube and Instagram and stuff,

like you don't want to let people down. You feel like you're kind of like not doing it only for yourself. Like, and plus, man, I'm working with people like Miles, right? You have CP. So like my worst day is still a pretty good day for Miles. Cause like Miles coming over tomorrow morning, like there's certain things he just can't do. And like, he does the most amazing things ever and it's super inspirational but like that dude's life is hard it's hard every single day

yep no and i mean do you i assume i kind of know the answer to this but like you know the training is probably part of what um you know maybe makes it not so bad sometimes, or it's like, and it's, it's an escape from that. Or, you know, it's just once you do that long enough, everyone that listens,

that's trained for a long time, like it's just something keeps you going. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. It's, it's almost like a security blanket in some ways.

Cause it's, it's a sense of normalcy when like everything else is like, like going to hell. You're like, man, like I know that like, I'm going to, you're like, man, like I know that like I'm going to go there and I can challenge myself and push myself as hard as I want. Like I don't get to make choices the way other people get to make choices in life.

Right. Like that's a lot of that's been taken away from me because there's some things that I won't feel good enough to do. Or like when you're, you're throwing up like so much that like it just won't stop. Like this afternoon I went and and coasted my gym and then came home and i was just super super sick for a couple hours and and here i am now and i'm better now but like i'd like those hours get taken you know so like i don't know man uh my my perspective just about stuff is just so different now than it was before like i'm just so thankful for the opportunities that i get to just

just do hard things you know and and make those choices to do the hard things because a lot of times i don't get like i don't get to choose whether i'm gonna have a good day or bad day when it comes to throwing up but i can choose how hard i'm gonna work on my squats or whatever you know what i mean yeah so what is your um you know your strength or whatever you want to measure it by what's it like now in comparison to say uh you know your strongest ever at your worst ever like where does it fall now so my strongest ever uh was probably probably about three years ago three and a half years ago, I was deadlifting mid sevens, squatting mid sevens. I'm better squatter than I am deadlifter. So I was moving better than deads.

Um, benching five Oh five and strict pressing, I think three 30, something around that. Um, and, uh, now I don't even know, I don't even know because my training has changed. Um, so after I got sick and got rid of the gym, well, got rid of the public gym, uh, so that I don't even know because my training has changed. So after I got sick and got rid of the gym, well, got rid of the public gym so that I didn't really have that responsibility so much anymore, I threw a lot of my energy into writing eBooks and programs and online stuff. So that kind of freed me up. And I ended up getting an opportunity to buy a piece of wilderness which has always been a dream of mine and moved out in maryland um so it's it's 27 acres of trees it's literally tree there's two open spots one's my house one's where my gym is um and other than that it is just a complete forest um with a river two streams it's like really cool so we we live in south dakota i've seen a tree

once or twice before the thing is there's about one or two of us also where they haven't been purposely planted over the years it's hard to find them that's so insane i've never i've been almost to every single state but i've never been to either one of the dakotas hey you're always welcome uh we say we're from western northeast south dakota if you look at a map you'll be able to find it you're always uh you're always welcome in western northeast south dakota no trees though i know that that's maybe maybe not maybe a disappointment yeah right right but no but so i moved here and uh and honestly moved here to kind of simplify things because when you've been through something like like you kind of been through uh you kind of lose

a taste for a lot of drama and a lot of just like stuff that wastes time doesn't matter you know the busyness yeah like kind of like fight club like let stuff just kind of go that really doesn't matter and you start to realize that it doesn't really like you you think why did that ever matter to you know right exactly and so moving out here kind of wilderness i no longer have internet i don't have tv i'm coming up on two years of that um my my cell phone gets one bar so it's it's uh it's been it's been culture shock and there's been good things and bad things, but, um, I moved out here to kind of simplify. And so that included my workouts as well. Like people always ask if I'm going to get back in competition. I'm like, I'm not saying no, but like right now, I, I mean,

every single day is full of moving trees or moving rocks or like it's, it's big manual labor. And like, I don't know that I'm willing to your body takes a certain toll when you're, when you're deadlifting and squatting in the mid sevens doing strongman events. And I'm like, I don't know that I can live the lifestyle that I'm living now when doing that. And I don't know that like competing in a parking lot is worth that much to me anymore. Um, but I, I'm not saying no cause sometimes I get like, I don't know, I have too many beers and I'm like, you know what, we're doing it. We're signing up now. And then I'm like, well, I guess not saying no. Cause sometimes I get like, I don't know,

I have too many beers and I'm like, you know what, we're doing it. We're signing up now. And then I'm like, well, I guess you did it. So, uh, but, but like, so my, my training right now is much more simplified. So like I'm working on like getting 500 for 20 on like a squat or a, or deadlift instead of like 700 for one right now, I could, I'm probably pulling in mid sixes currently. I pulled the last time I pulled something heavy. It was six 75.

Um, and I probably dropped a little bit of strength since then, but picked up a little bit of muscular endurance. Like I'm picking back up on jujitsu and doing bag work regularly and stuff like that. So my training is just more about, uh, fitting my lifestyle now.

My lifestyle has a lot more to do with like being healthy and happy than it is with being like, oh man, I'm going to get like one ounce of fame by becoming the strong man, lightweight what, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. So unless, unless I'm Brian Sean, I'm going to show up on ESPN. And I don't think it's going to support me as much as like being a good YouTube coach or you know just writing books

that makes sense speaking of you know guys that are you know off training and you know maybe a little secluded or anything are you familiar with all with Tom I think it's Havland Tom Havland you follow him at all his any of

his training is he that red-haired dude who like builds his own stuff well he's i actually don't know what color his hair is because everything he posts he has instagram he's been posting a lot lately lately and he uh he doesn't show his face in anything. It's it's for anyone listening that wants to check it out. It's Tom underscore Haviland, H-A-V-I-L-A-N-D. And yeah, he's got a lot of homemade equipment and stuff like that. And,

but he's like, I don't know if we're talking about St. David, does he shoot a bunch of basketball? No, that's, that's Will Hartzell, isn't it?

Yeah, that's Will Hartzell. That's what I was thinking. That's no, no, this Tom Havil's Will Hartzell. That's what I was thinking then. No, no. Tom Havlund is an absolute monster. He's like, I don't know, six, maybe. He's always wearing his khakis and it looks like to me his almost army-issue tan desert ACU boots

and wearing long-sleeve work work shirts and he doesn't show his face in pictures he's always outdoor training he's squatting like 900 pounds and i mean he's just insanely strong i you don't know him then obviously no no no i mean that's no no i don't know what you're talking about no that's uh i think that guy's name is will hartzell he's like the uh uh yeah he makes a lot of interest that has that has the woodwork connection though like you've got to respect what he does with wood though absolutely but i will definitely check out this guy but again i don't have i don't have um internet so literally i have to make like notes and like make lists When do you do that stuff then? When I go to the library.

So how often do you do that? Maybe once a week to upload a video to YouTube. And then when I'm there, I try to download some stuff to like, I don't know, like Apple or I'll rent some DVDs and some books. So like how far, like if you need to go into civilization, how far are we talking here? Oh, it's probably like 15 minutes. Okay. You know what I mean? So are you recording? Like I can get to the Taco Bell in like 20 minutes.

Okay. Are you recording video off your phone then when you're? No, I record on like a camcorder. Okay. You do. Okay. Like edit it all. And then I just, I have it all set to go and then just sit at the library and hang out

with people. So like, do you not have like a smartphone of any kind? I have a, I'm talking to an iPhone. Okay. Uh, it just gets one bar. Uh,

it's the one bar. I mean, you guys have used one bar on your iPhone. Yeah. Like that's kind of what we have around. That's kind of what we have in South Dakota sometimes. So, so,

uh, recently I put, I attached a 28 foot flagpole to the top of my house and put a cell repeater on top of it. Yeah. And that helped a little bit, but it's still pretty rough. Yeah. Yeah, that's really interesting,

like the disconnecting from some of that stuff, especially when you've got a few hundred thousand youtube subscribers and you know like you are in a business where you know that is a part of right like you're not just on there for fun like there is some livelihood tied to it i would not be on social media if it were not yeah i made my money yeah yeah um but every seven like i told some people in a Q&A recently, every seven years, seven or ten years, I just change things. I'm like, man,

I don't know what my next move is. Right now, I've been doing YouTube for about seven years now. I had the gym for about seven years, then cut that. Now I'm like, I don't know what my next step's going to be. I don't have any plans to stop doing my youtube channel right now um but it's definitely slowed down i was doing like three videos a week which i had no idea how i was doing that i'm running the

gym and throwing up all the time uh i think it was more like survival mode you know what i mean because now like just not going yeah yeah now i probably put out like maybe one video a week um but the problem is like this is gonna sound really bad to say but like i've said kind of what i needed to say like our gym has produced everything from like soccer moms to like world champions and like training when it comes down to it like it's really not that complicated you know what i mean and i at least i don't think it's that complicated and i just try to simplify things at this point and i'm like man i've kind of said what i need to say and at this point i can either be one of those guys who just repeats everything he says to sell more programs or i could just kind of let it be and just make

videos when i kind of feel inspired to make videos. So that's what I've been doing. It hasn't been great for my subscribership, but I mean, I'm being true to what I want to do. You know what I mean? Yeah. What do you think? You know,

obviously you had a lot of consistency with your YouTube. You know, you talk about doing three videos a week and that's very important to growing a large audience, you know, but that's kind of like the table stakes. You have to have been doing that. And like, there's people that do that, that never, you know, but that's kind of like the table stakes. You have to have been doing that. And like, there's people that do that, that never, you know, pick up that much steam.

So like, what do you think it was about you and your message and what you're doing or, you know, you personally that, that, that did resonate with that many people? I can tell you exactly what it was. I can tell you exactly like the catalyst. what it was i can tell exactly the catalyst um now i do believe that like i kind of have a different message because i do kind of like a mix of conditioning plus strength which works really well for strong man because that's strong man's like crossfit for like big strong people right you know i mean like just a bigger weight class you know um and but like i don't mean to insult either group by saying that but i mean that's basically what you're doing is like metabolic conditioning with heavy things. It's like 600 pounds instead of 225, you know?

But so I definitely had something different to say to people and kind of took a different approach to it. approach to it. That said, I was writing to other channels that like I kind of respected and would like leave comments on their thing just so that like my name kind of popped up on their thing so that if it ever did come around, maybe they'd recognize me. And so like one time, Alan Thrall had a Q&A and I was asked for questions and I asked, Hey, what did you do? Like, what do you think is important to grow a strong YouTube channel? And he gave me his answer and it pretty much was, was kind of like, you know, you gotta be true to yourself and, you know, do what you want to do. Um, and he gave a really great answer. Anyway, he, at the beginning of answering my question said, I remember a video of you almost down on 315.

It was hilarious. And I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about. I was benching like 500 pounds. I'm like, I have no idea what video you're talking about, but I don't care because you're calling me out. Maybe this is my big break because I literally have like 300 subscribers at the time. And so Alan calls me out blah blah whatever right realizes afterwards that he was wrong so he reaches out to me and alan's a really good guy many times we've had him on the podcast and uh he's awesome man really good dude really uh

you know not phony whatsoever i don't know what the correct correct uh yeah he's really genuine like extremely genuine yeah yeah a thousand percent yeah and uh and so he reaches out and he's like hey man um i i'm sorry that like i i like made that joke and it wasn't about you he's like so but i do like what you're doing with youtube page so would you like to make a video for me i'm like yeah that's terrific. So I randomly made a programming video, uh, out of all the videos I could have made. I made a programming video. I have no idea why I thought that was a good idea because people don't make programming videos. Right. Uh, anyway, it kind of exploded and people loved it. And people were like, Hey, I like this guy. And he gave us a free program. That's pretty cool. I'll subscribe to him.

And so like my page gained like 15,000 subscribers. And then once it got like 15, it just started growing. You know what I mean? And that went, that went pretty strong until I got sick. And then once I got sick and kind of stopped doing as impressive things and I wasn't able to do collaborations and stuff. And you guys know like collaborations really where you, you kind of get to spread your audience and people get a feel for you rather, unless you show up on the homepage of YouTube or something. So once I kind of hit that, it kind of stagnated, and then I shut down the gym, and then I became a hermit.

So it's been slower, but I mean, yeah, but that's exactly what made it happen was Alan Thrall recognizing me and offering to me make a video, and I took advantage of it. Alan's had a lot of people on his channel, and I was just one that people kind of took a liking to. So I give a lot of my success credit to him. I really do. That's awesome. Yeah.

That's awesome. Yeah. He and Brian and Mike Jenkins, to be honest, because I never even would have gotten involved in Shawman if it wasn't for Mike and his death, sadly, you know. As far as free time goes out in the woods, you know, you said no internet, no TV, limited cell service. I'd imagine, you know, you obviously have things that keep you busy with

you know the the chores type things like that going on but what do you do in your free time out there man uh number one the amount of chores that it actually is it's like i'm groundskeeper willie every day like it's insane like literally if the wind blows at all there's like 150 sticks and a tree across my driveway that needs to be like chainsawed up you know i mean right i literally use my chainsaw almost every single day um and that's all all year long that's not like part of seasons um we heat our house with with wood so i'm literally doing firewood all the time. So it's a lot of chores. And then I decided that I would start building a log cabin by hand. So literally no power, no chainsaw, no nails, literally all wooden dowels, all hand augers, axes. And that has been a job.

hand augers, axes, and that has been a job. Now, that's kind of my hobby right now when I have extra time and the property takes up a lot of extra time. But yeah, so that's kind of what I'm doing in the spare time. And then I spend a lot of time working because I know I mentioned to you guys, but I don't sleep a lot. Um, so literally all night long, I do like my writing of books or my emails, my programming, personalized for all like all that stuff happens literally all night long from you literally like one, two o'clock in the morning until seven o'clock. When my wife wakes up and then, um, we, we start our day and then my day is all manual labor and then training and

stuff like that. So, yeah, that's literally like I don't have a lot of downtime, believe it or not. How many hours of sleep do you get on average a day? I'd probably say three to four, but there's at least one night a week where I won't go to sleep at all. Like tonight, I won't go to sleep at all. Just because the hours that I'm awake right now, because it's almost like my circadian rhythm will reset. And once it resets, it's almost like when you wake up in the morning, you're like, oh man, I'm too awake now. I can't go back. You know what I mean? That's what happens to me at one

o'clock in the morning. Were you always like a low sleep guy or was that all from the sickness? The sickness didn't help it. And my old job did not help it. However, I've always been like that. So strange story. When I was six, I guess, really from as early as I can remember, I did not grow up in the best circumstances and our neighbor uh was a drug dealer who used to beat his wife all the time and i didn't really understand what's going on because i was literally like five four yeah for you know and uh but like there were times when like my dad had to go out and stop my dad was a construction worker and he had to stop him from going out and getting like an axe out of the back of his truck to use on his wife and uh the police were like in our house all

the time and stuff. So like, I didn't have, like, I didn't understand like what, like, Oh, we go to sleep and it's cool. And there's not like screaming and the neighbor coming over to get it. So anyway, when I was six years old, my parents, they both had to work because we were pretty low income family. And so I'm six. My other sister's eight. My other sister is nine,

and we're home alone. And the neighbor's wife runs away. And so he thinks that she is at our house and my parents are protecting him. And the guy's drunk high. He's something, right? I don't know. I'm too little. Anyway, the guy is banging on the door, screaming that he's going to kill us if we don't give him his wife, all this stuff. Those kids are obviously pretty scared. He ends up punching through the window and, like, cutting himself and stuff and unlocking the door. So while he's doing that, we run out the back door to a neighbor's house. The police come. It's a big mess.

Anyway, about a year later, we end up getting to move away, and my life improves drastically, right? But ever since, like, I was a little kid like that, I never slept because I was afraid to go to sleep. And then as I got older, my mom is a night owl, so she doesn't go to bed until like 2. And my dad is a construction worker who wakes up at 4. And so I would stay up with my mom and watch the late show or whatnot. And then I've always had to do construction work with my dad during summers or if i was on weekends or anything like that he'd wake me up and take me to a stupid construction site to be a laborer and and so i i just never

slept very much and then i mean it's just been my whole life you know what i mean yeah do you uh consume very much caffeine like i don't okay i don't um just because if i can sleep i will sleep right so i never really know when that's going to happen yeah and i i had pretty high energy anyway like when i get excited about something so it's not something i really need it's not like i'm like narcoleptic i don't like not out but if i sit down like watch a movie i'll never make it through it like i i'll make it through like not out but if i sit down like watch a movie i'll never make it through it like i i'll make it through about 15 minutes and then i'm out you know what i mean so i don't drink caffeine just in case i can uh the opportunity for sleep for like is there yeah i used to like when i when i would coach and stuff regularly because sometimes i hadn't

slept because of throwing up and everything else. So I would drink caffeine like before I coached and stuff like that. But once I kind of gave that up, I kind of got kind of rid of it. Right. But yeah. Okay. Brian, we've got this little game we like to play with every guest. It's overrated, underrated. So we have a special set of topics that we handpicked for you.

All right. All you have to do, we fire them off at to you to you and all you have to do is decide if they're overrated underrated and you can elaborate on that as much as you want to uh you just have to remember that you you can't ride the line you have to definitively come up with a overrated or underrated at the end all right so if you're ready to play we'll jump into it i was born ready all right perfect overrated or underrated steel chainsaws underrated what is your chainsaw of choice my chainsaw of choice is currently unavailable because of whatever shortages are going on literally Literally, man, I have no idea what's going on in the world.

But it's not available right now. So what brand of chainsaw do you use? Steel. Okay. I use steel. I didn't know that for sure. I kind of assumed maybe that was the case, but I didn't know that for sure.

I mean, you're either a steel or a husky guy. Okay. My dad was a steel guy, so it's like, I don't know, like dad passed that down okay you know what i mean i feel like that's like the chainsaw brand that everyone knows like that's got to be like the nike of chainsaws right yeah i mean they they kind of spot have you guys ever seen those timber sport things yeah they sponsor all that stuff right yeah yeah so they sponsor all that and that's kind of like being the rogue of cross right right i mean like like that's who

you see that's who obviously is going to get the most pop but i mean they make excellent chainsaws they really do so like what do you what do you uh measure a chainsaw by horsepower and bar length is that kind of what what uh i don't actually even know i'm is that kind of what you qualify a chainsaw by well uh yeah those those two things definitely matter and i'm pretty new to chainsaw so someone who actually knows chainsaw is gonna be like this dude's an idiot well you know more than you you you could trick us we don't know so no but like for me um like yeah like if you want to run a longer bar because you have bigger trees then you need a

heavier chainsaw not a heavier but like a more powerful chainsaw. And currently my chainsaw is not up to par. So for me, I'm looking for something like, like, it's like, uh, if I had like a dirt bike, I want like a little bigger dirt bike. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. And that's also secretly just cause a little bigger dirt bike would be kind of cooler. You know what I mean? You know, I don't have things that I collect their cars. So I'm like, Hey, a chainsaw is cool. Chainsaws to me, what, what I, you know i don't have things that i collect their cars so i'm like hey chainsaws cool right

chainsaws to me what what i you know it's something i use more rarely but it is something that comes up that i do need to use that time at times and it's also in the class of like a a two cycle weed eater where they just like never want to start. Like you can just go blue in the face trying to start a weedy, uh, a chainsaw. Like for, for me,

like in probably the shitty versions of chainsaws that I have and like how, how rarely they get used. Like, does your, your chainsaw fire right up every time that you go to use it every day? See, that's what I was going to say when you said like, what's,

what's like you're selling pulling chainsaws. I'm like, man man it's kind of like reliability yeah it's like that thing won't start that sucks right and like sucks uh but mine because i use it i use it so often that like i really haven't had that problem i also i store it in my basement inside so it doesn't like get like the cold i know you guys get like for real cold we don't get cold but like yeah like what is it like what was it like that like do you get much snow no we don't get a whole lot of snow but i mean like this this winter at night it's been in the teens every like virtually every night and uh the days are usually like in the 30s some days are colder days are in the 20s today was in the 40s it's been nicer um but yeah it doesn't get cold like you guys get cold yes we had some pretty brutal days this winter where it's like windchill negative 25 to 30 and

you know it's it's uh wouldn't want to be chainsawing in that weather so like okay so when when people are like migrating across america like let's stop here like it's i like are you guys from it for sure yeah yeah we are we from yeah so was it your parents or someone else that was like hey i guarantee it for sure was not january when they decided to do that it had to have been like that one week in September. That's pretty nice. Right. Yeah. When the mosquitoes were gone.

It was the exact week. I'd be like, it's spring break. It's beautiful. And then they got to January. They're like, wow, half the people died that stayed with us here. Yeah, we don't even know anyone anymore. So like how long does it stay cold out of the year? Like how many months?

Like all of them i mean december uh no december january february is probably the worst of the worst yeah but the wild card is what's going to happen in november and even october some and like it sometimes we'll get uh you know blizzards into april even uh but you know then there's like it just doesn't take like an april or late march blizzard isn't that big of a deal because like the end is so soon you know that it is but like it's so it's so wildly drastic sometimes they'll be like we just recorded an episode maybe two weeks ago where we're talking about you know it was negative 25 negative 30 wind chill and then like two days ago, it was 50 degrees. So, you know, we'll get like these 70 degrees. Just swings. It was like 70 degrees on Christmas or something.

No, when it's that cold, though, it's seriously where you just don't go outside unless you absolutely have to. Yeah, because you'll die, dude. Like when you got a snowblow and stuff, even when you're bundled to the, you know, to the gills, like your fingers and there's certain, your extremities just stay warm for only so long. Yeah. And you actually have to worry about frostbite. Like we don't, I mean, you could maybe,

but like you guys had to actually think about it, right? I mean, it is a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. So do you guys cars like just die and stuff? If you, if you have to leave your car outside, you for sure are going to run into that like every winter. Or yeah. if you have to leave your car outside you for sure are going to run into that like every winter or yeah or you have to plug yeah yeah people plug their

cars in a lot of times yeah and like people with diesel uh diesel pickups you know they gel up all the time in the winter and that's a big problem so uh yeah we have garages yeah we do have garages it's a pretty it's like almost an essential part of life is having an insulated or maybe heated garage or just something where you're not in the extreme. I'm sure. You have to. Yeah. So you said steel chainsaws are underrated, though.

Underrated. Okay, absolutely. Next one. Overrated or underrated? The use of black and white video. Years ago, I would have said underrated uh the use of black and white video years ago i would have said underrated now i think the world's less funny so i'm gonna say overrated i just think it is i don't think you can tell jokes away i mean you look at a movie like the hangover like when i was in college it was was the funniest thing ever. Do you even get to make that now?

You can't do that now. You know what I mean? And it's like, I think even like all my jokes now are considered like dad jokes. I don't really want to be considered the dad joke guy. So I'm like, it's easier to not make jokes because it's not like you can throw a meme. Well, I guess people do, but I'm not cool enough to throw up a meme

in the middle of a video. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't have the kind of internet access. I can't get on the internet long enough to complete one. Yeah. I can't. So you think black and white videos are overrated now?

Is that what you're saying? Overrated. Just because they were my way to kind of like make fun of myself yeah yeah and now like i feel like you can't even make fun of yourself like so i'm like man they're just there's a lot less jokes in my videos than there used to be it is a different it is even not that long of a period of time how it's something like the hangover or you know we talk about like the television show the office there's certain episodes of the office where it's like i don't think they're making that anymore you know like you don't right like i wonder if like tbs or whatever is like we got to cut that one yeah probably yeah it's crazy man it's a weird world that's that's why you just

moved to maryland and uh yeah okay overrated or underrated john cena uh you know you know why you know why that's coming up of of course because everyone has said throughout the thing that i look just like john cena yeah uh here's the thing i have never once in my life watched john cena on television i've never seen him do a wrestling thing i obviously know who he is because you can't i've never seen a john cena movie nothing against I obviously know who he is, but as you can't, I've never seen a John Cena movie, nothing against the guy. Here is a funny John Cena fact for you, uh, which me and John Cena might have to go to blows over this one day. But, uh, there's a, there's a video of miles that went super viral.

It's why he got the SB, uh, SB award. Anyway, he and Nick are doing deadlifts at my gym. Right. And I'm around the corner taking the trash award. Anyway, he and Nick are doing deadlifts at my gym. Right. And I'm around the corner taking the trash out. Anyway, the gym explodes because miles doing something cool. So I come run around the corner, holding the trash and start yelling for miles.

Right. Yeah. And John Cena makes a comment. It says, even the trash man got excited about that one. I was like, man, anyway,

but yeah, that's a trash man. I'm a trash man. And I was like man anyway but yeah that's the trash man i'm the trash man and i was like man someday when john c and i run into each other and i'm like man i could have been your stunt double we could have done great things but you call me the trash man now it's time to take out the trash and it's john cena dude we could have such a good like wwe storyline that's true yeah man that was that that's a paycheck that i missed out on i think it must be the jawline that uh makes the comparison yeah i have no idea man i never really saw it that much but people said it all the time and then just became a thing i think i don't know if you're missing out on the john cena movies though

i don't i don't think you'd waste my time. I'm trying to think of anything noteworthy there. Not that I've seen many, but nothing's standing out to me. There hasn't been anything that I've been super compelled to check out. Not saying that maybe I never will, but I haven't been moved enough yet. Okay, this is the last one, and this is probably the most important one. It's worth all the marbles. So overrated or underratedrated jigsaw puzzles i love jigsaw puzzles they're incredibly underrated i uh

i can't you look there are a few things in the world where like your brain can just completely get lost in like zen mode and jigsaw puzzles is one of them. And it's also the best possible thing that you can bring to an awkward family gathering because then you show up at the family gathering, you drop that jigsaw puzzle, right? And all the people who you want to hang out with are probably going to get around that jigsaw puzzle anyway. But even the people that you don't want to, then you don't need to look them in the eye and like pretend like you like what they're saying. And you should even shut up a little bit.

A hundred percent. It's amazing. And like you throw in like the game or like a movie, like, and I'm not, I'm not awkward with my in-laws, but we just happen to have a jigsaw puzzle. I'm just saying. And so like it was during Chris's time and they had Home Alone on the TV and we're just like doing a jigsaw puzzle. And like, I'm telling you, man, like if you go into an awkward situation, bring a jigsaw puzzle. It makes the talking so much easier it just it gives you a shoes to just leave and be

like i'm gonna go work on jigsaw puzzle away from all you crazy people it's the way is do you want a jigsaw puzzle to be really hard or like yeah do you have a preferred like number of pieces because i know sometimes people are particular about that i'm not i don't really well i i don't like it to be too little pieces or uh like too little number of pieces otherwise like if you can solve it in like an hour or two then that sucks uh you want to be more challenging than that but at the same time i'm not one of those psychos who wants like uh to do like the sistine chapel where like everything is the same color i'm like. Have you seen the people that get ones that's just one solid color? Oh, it's literally pieces.

It's just like a black square. There's no different colors. It's just figuring out the pieces. Dude, those people are savants. Those people who do the puzzle upside down. Yeah. Man, I don't understand. I like to get a piece every couple of minutes, right?

So, like, you're, like, listening to a podcast or, like, you're listening to some music or something. You're, like, you get that reward and you're, like, oh, wow, that makes you want to keep hunting. But, man, if I search for, like, seven minutes and don't get a piece, I'm, like, Jigsaw Pulsars are stupid, completely overrated. I'm out. It's kind of like fishing and never catching a fish. Yeah, fishing isn't fun when I never get to catch a fish. Like, what am I doing? So, yeah, man.

But I do enjoy myself at Jigsaw Plaza. I never do them except around holidays because I feel like it's like mental masturbation, like I'm wasting time. Even though, like, I read stuff on it and they're like, no, it's actually really good for your brain and stuff like that. And I'm like, yeah, but I should probably be, should probably be like doing work or like chopping down that tree like yeah i'm gonna chop itself down you know what i mean so um i rarely do them but every time i do them i'm like man i should do more jigsaw puzzles there was a thing when i was like in grade school age maybe that were very popular it was they were 3d puzzles i remember like uh do you did you have you ever done a 3D puzzle?

I have never done a 3D puzzle. They were almost like foam pieces. I had one at the Empire State Building. How old are you guys? I'm 35. I'm 32. What are you in that ballpark? Oh, okay, 41.

Okay. You're masters. We're just kind of like submasters, but you're a full-on masters at this point. Yes, I am. i actually just turned masters and i thought about it but like my friend was like bro you could totally win this competition i'm like yeah that's kind of like i don't know it's like i feel like i gotta be a little older before i can compete masters yeah yeah yeah it's tough which you're also competitive and open. You know, should you really be?

Yeah, I have strong feelings about that. And I probably shouldn't say anything. But it's like in Strongman. What about the novice comparison? Like if you're, yeah, I figured maybe you're going there. I'd love to hear your take on that, actually. I think novice is a great opportunity to bring people into the sport. That is my politically correct answer.

What I really will think though, is that like, there's a, there needs to be some sort of like hole punch on your card that you're like, Hey, you competed in novice. Hey,

competing novice. Hey, competing novice. That's three times. That's three strikes. You need to step up now. Like you can't keep playing novice like that's that's not that's just not what it's about and like that that sounds really harsh to say but like i don't know uh like there i know people

who literally win like third place in novice like six times before they decide to go to open i'm like yeah that's not fair to that's not what novice is for novice is for people who literally are just trying to see if they like the sport or not but like once you've seen it a couple times then it's time to jump in and if you can't hang the sports not for you like i can't play basketball i can't play tennis like there's a lot of things I can't do but like I don't know maybe maybe we should start a different category that's different than novice it's like no rewards uh but like you can you can participate I'm not like I'm just like because there's a lot of people just want to play and I get it because you don't want to get hurt and honestly a lot of the weights these days are a little ridiculous because yeah I mean, there's lightweight strongmen doing weights that literally Mike Jenkins did in World's Strongest Man 10 years ago, 13 years, whatever it was.

And you're like, man, the sport has moved faster than maybe it should have because you got a bunch of guys with egos who are like, I've got the heaviest show. I've got the toughest guys. And that's cool like don't get me wrong it's cool to see people push these limits but same time when you're watching people literally carry 2 000 pounds on their back you're like man like what's that cost yeah like long what is that right and that's people get paid like in my sport they were getting up to like 900 pounds when i when i kind of left sport a couple years ago it's like 900 pounds sometimes in heavyweight for a

heavy yoke and you're like man i don't know that we should be having foot races with 900 pounds on our back like i'm not saying i'm not saying it's not for everyone but maybe it's not for me anymore because like i'm 41 sometimes i feel a lot older than 41 you know what i mean yeah so yeah man i i love the idea of novice i just think there's a lot of people who abuse it so i think there should be some way to track it and then maybe we should start a separate division that isn't as competitive so that people can still play. But, I mean, the Open Division now, I mean, the way people are taking it, like there's a lot of people like Anthony Furman's like getting a lot of more respect for some lightweight guys like Uncle Nick from my – like the guy that coached with me forever,

just won the world championships at under 90. So, like these guys are like doing legit stuff. And it's really cool it's being shown a little bit more it's just uh it's not fair to those guys to hold back and it's not fair to the novice guys are just trying it out to to just let people keep kind of getting seconds and thirds and being like well i haven't won so i don't need to go to the class i'm like man you need to you need to step it up i i agree with that and you know the and i think there is a purpose for it it's in when it's getting used correctly like i think it's great for someone to get exposure in their first ever time you know try it out see see if it

is for them or not and uh sure the other thing i would add though though, is the first sanctioned Strongman event I did that was, what is it? Not Strongman Corporation, but it was the other one. Yeah, USS. But I had done four little unsanctioned Strongman things before. I had done a few powerlifting meets before that. You don't have to do novice if it's your first one. And some people shouldn't like, I didn't do novice and like, I very well, I, I, it was the correct choice. I should not have been doing novice, you know, like, even though it was

my first one of that, you know, is my first one of those, like, it wouldn't have made sense for me to be doing novice. And like, sometimes I sometimes i'm like um i still think it's a good fit for some people trying it out and i don't want to dog on that too much or anything but like some people i'm like have a little respect like you should be out there you know for yourself yeah that's what i mean like have a little respect for yourself is what i think like you you're you're you're good enough to uh go out with the open class i 100 100% agree with that. It's scary. Don't get me wrong. Going to a strongman competition is stupid terrifying.

I don't know why, but it is. You're going into this, and it is very intimidating. It's an intimidating crowd, but strongman is a different strength sport. That's part of the sport, to fully experience it, though, is to be a little scared of

you know like you should like you should you know you should be nervous or scared or you know you should have some of those feelings i think if you're not it's not costing you anything it's not costing anything what are you gaining you're competing in a in a parking lot man right like come on you got it you have to grow as a person from this because like you might get a little piece of tin and like a slap on the back from your grandma, but no one else cares. Right. Like that's sad, but it's true. So you have to compete for yourself. You have to get something out of it. And the truth is no one's getting rich unless you're 500 pounds and seven foot tall. So like, like you had to find some reason to do it. You know what I mean? Like you have to find some reason to do it. You know what I mean? But man, I always tell people like before they get in their first tournament competition, I'm like, okay, like here's exactly what's going to happen in your first event. Like they're going to say, whoever is up and you, you Mikey are on deck, right?

And you're going to go and you're going to get on deck and your mind's going to, you're going to watch this person realize that this is the fastest 60 seconds of your life ever. And then suddenly they're going to be like, Mikey, you're going to get on deck and your mind's going to, you're going to watch this person realize that this is the fastest 60 seconds of your life ever. And then suddenly they're going to be like, Mikey, you're up. And then you're going to go up to a bar and literally be like, I have no idea what's about to happen.

They're going to say, are you ready? You're going to be like, yep, I'm completely ready. And they're going to say, go. And then you're going to see your life in pictures.

There's going to be like 60 seconds where you're like, there's one point where I was like straining and we said something like Japanese and they're like, you know what I mean? Like you're going to go in all these different places, but you're not going to remember it, you know? Cause you're, you're totally in fight or flight mode. Cause literally you feel like you're up in front of the class, except in your underwear,

ripped into something too heavy for you to lift. And like, like it's, it's ridiculous. Right. And so like, I always tell people, I'm like, man, it's just going to be a cluster and whatever's going to happen is going to happen. But like this year fact that like 10 weeks ago, you signed up for this and you're standing here right now and you're still doing it when you had a thousand reasons to bail out, man, that that's what, that's what matters. You know, you're stepping up, you're, you know, win, lose, draw, like win or learn right here. Like you're, you're, win, lose, draw, like win or learn right here. Like you're, you're learning something about yourself, man.

That that's what I miss about competition is seeing the people like, it's cool to see people, see people compete at the top level. Right. But almost every single strongman show, one guy is kind of boat racing everybody else, or maybe one or two guys are boat racing everybody else um and then like but it's those people who don't really and this happens a lot in the novice class to be honest with you like they they're literally showing up and they signed up for a 225 log when they have a 185 pr you know what i mean and somehow the day of they have their back arched in like a 90 degree

most dangerous position ever. And they're pressing it out. They're about ready to pass out. And somehow they get it. And literally everyone loses their mind. And that is a moment that that person will never forget for the rest of their life. And it's gorgeous. It is gorgeous for one second because none of this crap matters besides that literally every single person in that place held

their breath for that person to get it and there wasn't one person not even a person who was about ready to lose that was going no no no like literally everyone has been where that person was and was like god i just hope this works out for them you know and man seeing a collective group of people with their own egos and their own crap, because every single person's strength sports has something going on in their head. To see everyone just put all that aside to cheer for that one person to get that one thing, it's just, it's awesome. It's awesome, and I miss that terribly. I think that is awesome. It is a funny, there's not much like that either.

No, there's not. it is a funny there's not much like that either you know no there's not yeah and i've been a couple powerlifting meets but like people are a lot more reserved at powerlifting meets at straw man things like people are drinking beers yeah like it's it's kind of like a party you know what i mean and honestly it depends on it depends on the competitors because some guys are douches don't get me wrong right but like there's there's plenty of guys like if my crew was there literally everyone was there to literally they would go to the novice people be like look you're with me today i'm going to coach you through everything i'm going to show you how to put the tacky on you put too much on like here's how to put your belt on better like you're being stupid about this put chalk in your pocket

like all the little things that make a competition go a little smoother right like our guys will literally grab those guys and just make their day better. Right. And when you have people who are doing that and people who are just like losing their mind for other people, like in their own, in their own competition. Now I got broken on some pretty good guys that now I know, but I did not know them at the time. And I came from MMA where like, you didn't smile at people. You were like, you hated those people for that time you hated those people you know what i mean you had to have a reason to physically hurt somebody and i i transitioned strong man and literally people like cheering for me that are against me

i'm like why are you cheering for me actually in my first competition uh that one that i was doing for mike jenkins this great guy named dan carraway who is just an outstanding individual in in strongman and um i'm i'm doing my deadlifts and i i had beaten everybody i didn't know that i had beaten everybody because we had 20 minutes to work up to a max and literally dan is yelling he's in my class he's like brian save it you've won like you've won and i remember looking at him being like this dude is trying to get my head and so i'm literally going for another vr like i'm going and going because it was just a different thing and then like i quickly learned that like everyone was kind of like man like most of us are doing this to challenge ourselves and have fun because really strongman at its core is a bus dude sitting around going, hey, I bet you can't pick that up and put it over there.

That's exactly what strongman is. It started in Scottish Highlands where literally dudes were doing that, and they're like, okay, well, you can't be considered a man until you can pick that up and put that up there. You know what I mean? That's literally where all this dumb stuff has come from, and it's just I love it, man. Strongman beats you up probably more than any other strength sport,

but I will never stop doing Strongman. Just for sheer fact that number one, it's fun. And then number two, like it actually carries over to real life. You know, like if you pick up a deadlift bar, like yes, it makes you stronger and that will make you pick up other heavy things in your life.

But like, whether you're carrying bags of groceries or a farmer's walk or you're picking up a sandbag that weighs 300 pounds, if you can pick up a 300-pound sandbag, you can pick up a 300-pound anything, whether it be a couch, a person. You know what I mean? An Atlas stone doesn't have any handles. Pick up a 300-pound Atlas stone. If you can do those things, it just translates to everything else in your life like picking up an atlas stone is very similar form to picking up a big heavy box of books when you're helping your buddy move you know um and that's not something that you really cover when you're doing a sumo deadlift of perfect form

with a perfectly calibrated barbell yeah yeah um so i just love it man i think it's something that really when i got involved because i obviously like i said i didn't get involved in strongman until i was 34 years old i'd never touched an implement um and my strength exponentially jumped up and i had been lifting with a barbell for you know a better part of 20 years but my strength jumped up so much just because i no longer had to be strong with something that was like a toothpick that like moved in straight lines in line with the middle of my foot of my body. Now I had like a log that was like 12 inches out from my face.

I'm like, I'm supposed to push this to the back of my head, like, or picking up like big, cumbersome objects. And my strength just went through the roof because my body got put in positions that it wasn't used to getting in and like my power lifting numbers just shot up and i started trying to preach to people i'm like just do strong man you'll get stronger trust me and like it just it it it hurts it hurts to be strong man so a lot of people a lot of people don't like doing it you know what i mean it's like doing zurcher squats every day. It is. Like it hurts your, like your body gets beat up and you're doing a deadlift from flat on the ground. Like you're trying to like,

like you're a baby picking up a pumpkin. You know what I mean? Like that's what you do every single day, whether it be like a sandbag, a Hussfeld stone or like whatever, like you just crush yourself. But man, to get strong,

strong man definitely will up everything. I agree. Yep. Ah, ah no brian that's awesome we really enjoyed uh this conversation and i think um we'd you know for sure someday like to have you on again i think there's a lot uh a lot of other stuff we'd like to talk to you about but not that you have to get to bed necessarily but we we probably do at some point in time um what uh is there anything you know talking about coaching or anything like that where where do people need to check you out at and uh anything that you wanted to get out there um well uh i make my living through youtube and my personalized programs so my YouTube channel is my name and literally there's like 800 informational videos from literally everything you need to know about lifting

and even some like me building my log cabin and stuff is on there. So it's pretty cool. I think it's pretty cool at least. And then that will lead you to NeverSate.com and NeverSate is my Instagram handle as well as my gym name and my website name. And on there, that just takes you through my programs where there's descriptions and stuff.

If anyone wants to check out my type of way of training, it's completely different. Just because, like I said, it's a lot of giant sets and combining conditioning along with strength. So it's very challenging. It's not for people who don't want to work hard. It's definitely not. But the people who do it get great results. Awesome. Well, Brian.

Hey, I really appreciate you guys having me on, man. No, it was a lot of fun. It was great. It was long overdue, so we're excited to get you on here. Absolutely. You guys let me know when you come back, and I'll stay up late again. Excellent. Sounds good. Thanks a lot. All right, gentlemen. All right, thanks know when you come back and I'll stay up late again. Excellent. Sounds good.

Thanks a lot. See you later. Thanks guys. Tommy? Those are cold wooded Maryland beans. Straight from the cabin. Aged in the trees of Maryland.

That's what Maryland does. That was good. Yeah. Man, he does have quite a story, doesn't he? He does. I feel like we're just scratching some of the layers on that stuff, too. That's good stuff, though. You know what else is good stuff, Tommy?

Oh, I have a feeling what it might be. Speaking of barbells, I want to tell you about Texas Bar. Texas Power Bars. Buddy Caps first started lifting weights in the late 60s. He began powerlifting in the mid-70s. At that time, he was working for Image Barbell, building gym equipment. Around 1976, a local machine shop started making Olympic bars for them and calling it the Image Bar.

In 1977, Image Barbell became Champion Barbell. It was then that Buddy started looking at the bars with an intent of changing them for the better. In 1979, Buddy bought his first lathe. He didn't use a chainsaw. Buddy actually used a lathe. A real deal. Yeah, to begin addressing the known issues.

Wouldn't it be something to make a barbell out of a chainsaw, though? I wonder what he'd end up with there be very artisan take yeah in 19 what about like has anyone ever like you know people like to do do that's what brian should make he should make a barbell uh yeah yeah a wooden barbell make it out of wood and i suppose that the issue there is it can't support a whole lot of weight without breaking. But for aesthetically? Well, and depending on your humidity levels, you know, the sleeve may or may not fit plates too well. But just for the pure, like, aesthetic and the interesting.

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What do you think has better state records in powerlifting maryland or south dakota probably maryland just because population wise they're going to be way bigger than us yeah yeah you got to assume right as a numbers game i would think so yeah yeah what about maine or south dakota do you think anyone power lifts in maine if you're a listener of the mass nomics podcast and you're from maine and you power lift let us know we've definitely sent stuff to maine before yeah for sure but it might have just been people that just thought we had cool t-shirts that's true if you're into power lifting or strong

when you're from maine let us know yeah is there more there's more people that live in maine than south dakota or i would assume right yeah do you know what actually this is kind assume, right? Do you know what? Actually, this is kind of funny. You discussed this. Do you know what is the smallest state capital as far as population goes? Is Pierre in the running? Oh, it's very much in the running.

Yeah, I was going to say, what would be, you know, Bismarck is bigger than Pierre, right? Bismarck's big, yeah. Yeah. God, I would think it's Pierre alaska's got to be bigger whatever the juno i don't know what it is but uh what is pier like 10 000 people less than that are you ready for this i'm gonna say i'm not gonna tell you why but i was looking at this earlier today okay

the smallest state capital is montpelier verm Vermont. Okay. At over 5,000? The 2010 census determined the population to be about 7,800. Pierre has to be not far bigger than that. Pierre, I was a little surprised by this. According to this chart, their population is 14,000. I didn't think they were that big. That seems like a stretch. I thought so, too.

And then three was Augusta, Maine. Okay. Which I don't remember Augusta being the capital of Maine. I don't remember a lot of the state capitals. I did have them all memorized when I was in fourth grade. Oh, in fourth grade. It's like, yeah, I could say those things in my sleep. They don't really, they don't do, my son's in fourth grade.

He doesn't, they don't do this. They don't do that. Really? At least not. Maybe it's fifth grade now damn kids these days and they're damn kids making their curriculum common core i don't know what that means me either i think it's the thing people complain about a lot i think that's what it is uh so great guests from brian i did have a quick story okay yeah yeah or should i save it for next week well it is we're at the two hour mark right now so crap that's your call you are the uh

it's your story so i can't uh i just got to tell it before i forget the finer details so we'll just tell this story and then we'll wrap all right story time so i take my son to school in the morning and you know where i live and goes to uh you know the school i don't know you know i'm not gonna say it just yeah for the sake of not saying maybe a mile yeah and we go south on uh the dakota and you have to make a left turn there it's funny because we have a street in our town called Dakota. Oh, wait, that was on Roosevelt. I'm sorry, I'm on Roosevelt.

Dakota is where we have our billboard all the time. It is funny, though, when you have a street. Our billboard is always on South Dakota Street. Yeah, there is. South of the railroad tracks, it's South Dakota Street. North of the railroad tracks, it is North Dakota Street. Kind of funny how that goes. Yeah.

But anyways, we're on Roosevelt, and you have to go east there and make a left hand turn. And everyone in the town is headed south at that point in time because all these people live to the north and they're all headed to school and to work, which is south. So northbound traffic, there's nothing southbound. It'll be fully backed up from that. Oh, yeah. Intersection all the way to the 8th Avenue intersection, which there's really no blocks there.

But just well over a quarter mile. Right. It might even, yeah, it's like... Maybe a half mile. Yeah, it's probably something like that. So the cars are backed up. Which is rush hour as far as... And there's a train track right there.

And we are the hub city. So once a week at least, there's a train that's going across there which double backs up traffic for a couple miles at that point but sometimes the traffic is backed up that full length you know maybe like a half a mile and what do you what's the etiquette or the the law on turning into that going into that turning lane well what turning lane the turning lane to go to the to make a left-hand turn to go to the school there yeah no so if you're on coming south on dakota yeah or uh you're gonna go east off of roosevelt yeah that turning lane there yeah so what's that on uh

milwaukee is that what that yeah so you're going to turn left onto milwaukee what's the etiquette well because there's a half mile of traffic and there's nobody in the turning lane well i would say if if there's a half mile of traffic and there's nobody in the turning lane. Well, I would say if there's a half mile of traffic and there's no one in the turning lane, I feel like you can probably get in the turning lane, can't you? I've seen people do it. You cannot do that. Oh, okay. Yeah, people do it every day.

I do it every day. Because there's nowhere else. There's no other turns, though. Like, that's the thing. No, there is not. That is a road. But occasionally there could be someone coming north and there are businesses on that other side of the street occasionally there could be someone coming north and there are

businesses on that other side of the street so they could want to get in that turning lane to turn okay and if you look at the lines on the road there's an always an opening there's a break in the lines and that but the break is like two car lengths away from the stoplight no one follows that like that break actually doesn't make any sense yeah but that's that break is not realistic that i would agree with you um i've never taken it to the extreme of what you might be saying like when it's all the way backed up like going the whole half mile people do but people definitely go i've seen people do like 20 30 car lengths and i never think twice about that i'm like oh you're getting in early but there's nowhere for these people to go. So that makes sense to me.

Right. And actually it kind of improves the flow of traffic. It technically does. Get them out of that backed up lane. And not only is it one less, sometimes it's 10 less because there's all kinds of these people that are trying to get to the school. Well, I would say if it's around school time, it could be 20 or 30 vehicles. Right. And so we take advantage of that thought

process a lot of times ourselves. And, you know, we've been doing this for years now. And I always think, I don't know what the law is, but I know there's something about this. That's probably not acceptable of like just getting in the turning lane and just like,

you could just be like, well, we're going to be here for a while. Just drive it in the turning lane, pass it all. That's like 40 cars. It finally happened this week that

we're in the right-hand lane, get into the turning lane to the left and go. There finally was a cop stuck in that right-hand turning lane that we passed by. This is after we probably already passed 10, 15 cars. I'm like, IS, there's that cop that i've always

been wondering if you'd be put to the test sitting there and first thing i do because i'm i jumped behind two three other people that were also doing it first thing i do i see the cop i'm like i hope someone else is behind me yeah because like the guy in front of me is okay yeah and i look up i'm like damn it there is nobody else behind us so then we get past the cop and i look in my rear rear mirror again and i tell my son i'm like yeah we're probably gonna get pulled over and i look i'm like oh he's just sitting there he's probably got other things to do today he's on his phone like everyone else he's just texting he's texting uh and then i look again i'm like oh yeah he's got his blinker on and then i look and he's like yeah he's coming in the turning lane and then I look again I'm like oh yeah he's got his blinker on and then I look and he's like yeah

he's coming in the turning lane and then he follows me all the way through the light or up to the light and there's several cars in front of us but we're gonna make just make the light like still doesn't have his lights on maybe he's just gonna scare us into being better better drivers and then we make this technically there's nowhere he can pull you over there because there's nowhere to pull. There is nowhere to park. He's like, I am pulled over. Pull over farther. And then as we're making the turn, he finally flips on his light. And then I'm like, then I'm also, there's not a lot. There's no room on that street to pull over.

I'm like. On top of being a busy time. Yeah. And it's super busy and i'm like much like our discord community today super busy so i'm like i'm not just gonna pull over here because they're gonna jam up everyone else's morning like it's just like a pain in the ass for everyone so i go a little ways farther and to get so you hit it well yeah i'm like i i like i put my flashers on even just so he knows aware that I'm not like trying to escape him and get up into one of those apartment parking lots there.

And do you think that's the right thing to do? I mean, that's what I would do. Yeah. It's been a while since I've been pulled over. But the last time I was instead of being because on our in our town, we have like three roads that are busy traffic. Yeah. And it's like it just makes life worse for everyone. Dangerous. More dangerous. roads that are busy traffic yeah and it's like it just makes life worse for everyone dangerous if more dangerous if you just don't go the extra two blocks yeah and get into a side road that has

no one on it right so i get on there and he comes out and my son is extremely worried he's a real follower to the you know to the t and he is like nerve very nervous that we're gonna get like thrown in jail for it and i'm not worried about it because in my mind, I'm like, what is this? Like a $30 ticket here? Like, yeah. Yeah. I'm like,

I'm not a big deal. Let's just get it. Let's get her done with quick because, uh, um, so we got, we got lives. Yeah.

Yeah. And, um, the guy comes up, he has to comes up to my son's window, of course, because of where I'm parked, which is,

you know, he's even more worried than like the cops at his window. And it was actually the cop from terminator and he said have you seen this boy no no that was not the case he comes up and he he's almost got uh like a little smile on his face and he comes up and he doesn't say anything right away um and kind of a younger guy and and i'm you know i'm 100 know what we're doing there and i'm like not you know i'm not worried about it like i'm like yeah let's get the ticket that's fine i get you doing you have a job to do here too and just go yeah so i suppose i went into the turning lane a little too early which is kind of funny because it's like, I went in way too early.

You know, I'm like, it's in there for a mile. And he's like, yeah, yeah. That's why I pulled you over. But you know,

I know it looks like you guys are getting to school and you know, I really liked the podcast. And I think today is worth just a verbal warning. And I see, he says says he really likes the podcast. I'm like, ah, yes, you do like the podcast. I did like double take at that, though. I would like that wouldn't register in my brain for the first couple seconds. Joe Rogan?

Yeah, what podcast? I'm like, oh, yeah podcast you know i'm like oh yeah oh and i was like oh cool you know i literally was like oh oh cool yeah and then he did have to like uh make sure we had he had to go go to back to his vehicle i think he took my license or whatever and then we happen to have a small bundle of the massonomics uhars sitting in there. So when he, I, when he's gone, I give one to Jack. I'm like, ah,

give him this when he comes back to the window. And, uh, he hands me back my license, I guess. And Jack gives him that and he looks at it and he goes, Oh, cool.

Strong. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So I like to think that that is now on the dashboard of the, uh, the cruiser. Yeah.

Or in the back. So when people get thrown in the back, they at least know what day of the week it is. Yes. Yes. Yeah. We're going to jail, but it is, it is Sunday and it looks like it's a three,

three quarter moon this month. You know, by the time you get out, it might be a full moon. It's those moon phases that I really want to know about. Uh, so I like to think that the podcast saved the day i think it did in that case yeah yeah you got off easy that was it's just like when you always hear about celebrities getting pulled over and you know people are like oh you

okay i'll let you go it was that same thing it was just like that and i you know jack thought that that or you know my my son jack he thought that that was pretty cool then at that point i was like ah and then uh you know everyone at school had saw him pulled over by the cops so you know i got to tell that story to like 30 people yeah oh i bet he told that story a lot that day and i'm not saying that the podcast was fully the reason we got off because it was probably a very minor violation that we were doing anyways oh you let one slide the next thing you know you're running red lights if they wanted to they could make a set up shop and make a business out of like we could just pull over like 30 people a morning however long you could write a ticket and get back to get the next person yep um but that the podcast saved the day

that's what the podcast was for yeah now this is all worth it it saved me that 30 dollar fine finally paid off we can call it quits yep and that's the big announcement we're done we are ending at 306 that's it we did it all is there anything from spud inc oh yes there is everyone's been on their seat the real cliffhanger has been what product is fromud Inc. is Tommy going to talk about this week? Just you wait. This episode of the Mastonomics Podcast is also brought to you by Spud Inc. and the Hamstringer. The Spud Inc. Hamstringer Econo goes around your foot

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anything else we need to touch on this week um be on the lookout for that drop coming right um it is a pretty big deal for us so the ama coming this week also ama yeah but this drop is a really big drop for us we hype up a lot of drops and here again i'm sitting here thinking you know this is kind of the biggest drop we have coming you know i mean this is like a big deal going on it's a pretty big deal and we've got the arnold we're we're in full like arnold preparation mode we're making a lot of progress on that uh That's a really big deal for us this year. We've got a lot of time and resources tied up in this thing. And when we say resources, we're mostly talking a lot of money.

The capital resource. And the human, the resource of our time. We have to leave western northeast South Dakota for like a week, you know, just about. Just about. By the time it's all said and done just about two days of travel getting the cruise control fixed on my pickup next week oh that's essential yeah i'm like if i don't have we don't have cruise control for that trip that's going to be brutal that's a lot of driving without the cruise yeah and i'm a man that likes the cruise control i don't blame you especially like when you have a full trailer and then you're going up a hill and it goes... Because the pickup decides it has to stay at 75.

We need 5,000 RPMs. It does not matter the incline of this hill. We must maintain 75 or the vehicle will explode. It's a variation of the movie Speed. Sandra Bullock in speed. Is she Keanu Reeves? Keanu Reeves. Yeah.

Yeah. I think Sandra Bullock too. Probably. Yeah. Good movie. Have you seen speed recently? Yeah. When I was probably like eight,

I don't think I've seen it since I was like eight. I haven't. I've probably actually never even seen the whole thing to be honest. People were talking about point break. I've seen it since I was like eight. I haven't. I've probably actually never even seen the whole thing to be honest. People were talking about, um, point break. I've actually never seen point break. Really?

I, someone in there said it doesn't hold up and I guess I get what they're coming from, but I like, I think point break is a really good movie. Yeah. And like, I can see where they say it doesn't hold up and I,

there's just something about it that I'm like, yeah, it's cheesy and you know it's like stupid and you know some of it's like way over the top and i don't know i just think i think it's a good watch point break is a and i don't doubt it's one of those that you just i've i know what happens and i know enough about it's one of those movies like it's kind of talked about you know yeah yeah like i feel like i know enough about it without ever seeing it to where it's never high on my list because i'm like well well, there's no surprises here. There probably is some.

Utah. It's good. Also, his name's Utah in there. That might be Keanu Reeves' finest role. Finest achievement. It might be better than the original Matrix. Get us on that drop. Like us on YouTube.

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I think we're at 418, somewhere in that range now. We're going to be knocking on 450 before we know it. So I hope let's get there. Tommy, where do they find you? You can find me at Tomahawk underscore D. You can follow me at Tanner underscore Baird, but just make sure to follow Massonomics at Massonomics. See you.

I'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.