Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 311: Phil Stevens

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

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You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. Hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Massanomics! everything massonomics welcome back everyone for episode 311 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing recorded live from western northeast south dakota my name is tanner and my name is tommy locked and loaded what what's the other one what would i say someone at the arnold said locked and loaded and i didn't remember the appropriate response

i didn't think i'd ever forget this and now i can't remember uh bring the heat bringing the heat bringing the heat so which one did i say i don't know i don't know who said what one now it's been so long whoever run we haven't actually talked about repeatonomics have we no we actually have not we spring that up also did we was it i'm ready when we were talking about a band with a number were we talking about it was several episodes ago was it 311 that we were talking about or was it something else i don't remember talking about 311 we didn't talk about 311 then oh i don't think. Well, so this is episode 311. Oh.

You know, and it's important because it's like the Omaha, Nebraska rock band 311. I've seen 311 live before. I haven't, no. So it wasn't 311. It was someone else with a number because it was like, is there something that starts with a two or three or? That we did talk about on the show? Yeah, yeah.

Like recently? Recently. Recently. with a two or three or that that we did talk about yeah yeah like recently recently within like 10 to 15 episodes ago but i don't think it was 311 no it wasn't blink 182 they said 311 was definitely oh 303 303 okay there that's see i knew it so it was only it was just eight episodes ago yeah that's what there we go yeah so that's what no we didn't talk about 311 really in particular then though so 311 do you uh are you a fan or i'm a fan some people are really big fans um i don't mind them they're good yeah i was more excited that concert i went to slightly stupid was there i like slightly stupid more than 311 do you like blink 182 i love blink 182 yeah that was i mean that's when i think about uh enema the state what was that probably about i don't know 2000 ish give or take or probably

maybe even a couple years later when i saw that come out um and just their music video being like wacky and making fun of everything that was what i was all about i was like that's so cool and i guess maybe part of that lives on in massonomics today i think it does do you like uh green day i do like green day too i know actually it's funny how long green day has been around yeah when you think about it yeah um i started to get a little more checked out of green day checked out of them around the american idiot time but basket case and that stuff from the 90s oh that's good that's still good Longview and all that it's still good

that's like pop punk perfection there I agree I had when I was in high school one of their albums from like early 90s I think they were maybe still in high school even when that came out and it's a much rougher sound but even that had some merit to it too they were really hitting in high school even when that came out and it's a much rougher sound but even that had some had some merit to it too yeah yeah they were really hitting their stride in the

in the mid 90s yeah for sure who was it dookie and uh whatever that other album's calling yeah but yeah bangers um so repeatonomics though we should read an ad before oh yeah yeah do you do you want me to uh yeah you're always you always go first okay lead off hitter here all right so first i want to tell you about spud ink uh spud ink straps you can check them out at spud-ink-straps.com great company of course obviously uh they make a lot of great products like way more products than you'd ever even imagine uh you've got to go to the site and just start looking and you'll be like wow i would not have known that spud ink made this and here it is right here i didn't even know i needed it until i went to the spud ink website and now i need it and i'm adding it to my cart the product i'm looking at here today specifically are the deluxe cable handles um which are $39.99 and they are built

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Like I said, they're the steel handles with the textured rubber coating. We don't have these exact ones. They've got a number of different cable handles that they sell even, so that's what I'm saying. Like, go check it out, and you'll be like, ah, we've got options here. But we do have a pair of Spud Inc. cable handles, and they work great. People use them all the time. Spud-Inc-Straps.com thanks spud ink and most importantly they fit under the bed you know i like to think that

someday spud will have a booth somewhere and it's just gonna be like six beds laid out and they just go grab it from yeah i'd be like you don't even have to ask if it fits under the bed that's part one of the products that fits under the bed. They're all under the bed. That's part one of their products is how it fits under the bed. Yeah. Was there a hula chair booth at the Arnold this year? I think I missed it. I might have seen it on the map, but I think I missed it. You know who this podcast is also brought to you by?

Who? Our good, fine friends at the Strength Co. That's a fine group of people. No, they really are. Grant, can I tell you a little bit about Grant? He owns and runs the Strength Co. That's a fun group of people. No, they really are. Grant, can I tell you a little bit about Grant? He owns and runs the Strength Co. He was born in the late 80s, which is a great time to be born, if you ask me. Fantastic time to be born.

You didn't have to grow up with the internet, but eventually you got to grow into the internet. True, true, yeah. It's like you grew up right along with it. You did. It's like you blossomed together. This is actually nearly two decades after buddy cast began lifting and it's funny because grant really has become the buddy caps of our generation i feel like we right now are like whoever was buddies with buddy caps yeah back in we're definitely not image barbell that's for no no we're not any material we're the opposite of that. Yeah, we're like right along.

We're at like the beginning of this story, and we're there living it. It's the Grant Brogy story, though, not the Buddy Cap story this time. In the late 90s, Grant's brother Jordan bought him the Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding by Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Grant's love for weightlifting began.

In 2001, Grant joined the local YMCA, We Can Relate, and began training with weights. In 2009, Grant discovered the book Starting Strength, and in 2012, as a lieutenant in the Marine Corps, he began teaching Marines this method. In 2017, Grant opened his first gym in Costa Mesa, California, and the Strength Co. was born. In 2020, during a major iron shortage shortage grant sought to bring back quality manufacturing of olympic barbell plates to america his innovation adaptation and can-do attitude brought about the greatest plates made in decades the plates were accurate anti-fragile and instantly became the go-to plates of hundreds of lifters at the massonomics gym and this just in we just got a

whole bunch more uh strength co plates at massonomics gym we this just in we just got a whole bunch more uh strength co-plates at massonomics gym we did so they're even more so we have two full racks of strength co-plates yes that's double the go-to power that's now it's like you basically can't leave now no i know and you're uh it's more options of where specifically you go to because before you i mean there's still one region you're going to go to but once you get over there you have to decide left or right here yeah and it's it's a weird like draw you're drawn to both directions at the same time that side of the gym is really getting a very strong pull to it yeah like i'm going there it looks good too they do look really good about that uh they aren't wrong when they say that the greatest uh plates that been made in generations. I think that's exactly true. That's an undisputed fact.

So thank you, Strength Co. I do have to say one more thing on the topic of Blink-182. A lot of people like Blink-182 and don't know that Blink-182 had a really, really good live album. I believe it was called The Mark, Tom, and Travis Show. I remember getting the CD when I was a a kid and it was like whoa i probably shouldn't be listening to this i'm just a kid yeah uh it is on spotify now at least the last time i checked it was on spotify it wasn't for a long time it is now it's really good if you're a fan of blink-182 you should listen to it because they uh they change up the words in a lot of the

songs there's some ad libs in there there's whole sections of them talking to the crowd a lot of the songs. There's some ad libs in there. There's whole sections of them talking to the crowd. A lot of the songs they just play faster and a little more aggressively. I give that album two thumbs up. Would recommend. I would highly recommend that one if you're a fan of Blink-182 in any way. Sum 41, Big Joyce's Sum 41. Sum 41 was like my other favorite band of all time

when I was a kid. Oh man, I love Sum 41. And the way I got introduced it's crazy totally forgot about this until right now uh some 41 this is probably in i don't know like fourth or fifth grade i honestly don't even know probably fifth grade internet wasn't really a thing i don't really i we didn't have the internet then i i mean, the school, I guess, technically did, but it wasn't something you, what are you in fifth grade, 10 years old? 11. 11, okay.

Like, internet was still a pretty foreign topic. So, like, discovering music isn't something you're really just going online and figuring out. No. I, we had some family that lived in the cities, Minneapolis and St. Paul, in that region. As we know from our geography exactly geography and one day when we went to visit my uncle took my brother and i to

the mall of america and it just so happened that the day we were there tony hawk and some other people had a half pipe set up in the mall of america and they were doing a skate demo and it was so cool like getting to it was really cool i was into skateboarding at the time yeah and so these guys have their half pipe and they're skateboarding and as part of you know they're throwing stickers and stuff in the crowd and someone threw i think it was like a def jam cd sampler and uh some 40 there was a some 41 song in there i think it was makes no difference and they also had like some music that was when like people cds would sometimes have music. You could put them in a computer

and like music videos might play on them. Oh, sure. And they had some of that and they were like driving around and spraying people with super soakers. This is the coolest thing ever. And that was my introduction to Sum 41. It was amazing.

I like how there's the jokes about how people don't even really know who Tony Hawk is. Like they see him with a skateboard and they're like, oh, cool, yeah. they see him with a skateboard yeah like oh cool yeah your son's skateboard yeah they're like yeah i love playing this game tony hawk when i was growing up things like that uh but what what is it repostonomics or repeatonomics what um uh god i cannot remember is it repeatonomics i think that's what it is anyways we don't we should get the handle

right so people can look yeah that's true we are not behind the account we do not know who is behind the account repeat anomics repeat anomics and what's the bio description of repeat so first the profile picture is a drawing of an r and then the little the little leg of the r is a drawing of an R, and then the little leg of the R is a downward arrow going. And it's listed under education, and it says classic quotes from the classic massonomics podcast brought to you in classic black and white that really pops in your feed. And they're up to 22 posts and 129 followers. Yeah.

So things are going pretty good for them. There's some pretty funny quotes in there too, most of which I don't remember myself. I don't remember any of these looking through them. Some of them I'm reading, and they could be made up for a while. I'm just like, I guess. And they've been pulling pictures off of both of us.

Like our social media. I'm not sure where they all picked up all the pictures from, but they're pretty funny. It is a good page. If you're a fan of Massanomics, the podcast especially, you should probably go follow Repeatanomics. Yes. A lot of deep cuts in there right now.

And we do not know who's behind it. We don't. There's a level of anonymity there. It's funny that Dan Bell follows it too. I'm just looking at who follows it. That's the most surprising one of someone we did have our new drop um this week we did we just did that tuesday where that was just yesterday yeah actually yeah tuesday that's such a weird thing time flies when you're dropping

time since we've had a drop not really on a thursday yeah i guess we've maybe had some i don't even know if we even had smaller things on on a a Thursday. Yeah. I guess we've maybe had some, I don't even know, have we even had smaller things not on a Thursday? Maybe. But it was a special time and it called for special measures. It was March 15th, 315 day yesterday. So we, of course, had to bring back the Bench in 315 tee. And it went great.

Yeah. If you missed out on Bench in 315 the first go around and you've been sitting on it this time, you're probably going to miss out if you don't get one. Probably. You don't have time to spare. And then we also brought back the two things that you saw at the Arnold, the Massonomics is numero uno tee and the beanies.

And the beanies, we are getting down there in some of those colors. People say, oh, this is out of season. We say, say wrong we're just going into late spring flurries in western southeast south dakota this is the exact time for those things exactly um and if you want a specific color of that you better hop on that too because i don't think the beanies are necessarily going away but we might rotate you know we might yeah there could be some colors that disappear yeah right right so don't sleep on those but otherwise the drop was really good for us i think yeah just uh you never know when you're re-releasing something old if people are going to say oh we got this we don't need it or if there's enough new people around or enough new interest and there's enough of both of those it It was funny looking back at some of the original posts

of like the Numero Uno tees specifically because we released the Numero Uno tee very early on. Probably one of our first three or four shirts ever. Yeah, and it was like, I can't remember what month, but it was in 2016 that we released it. And that post had like 20 likes. And, you know, it was just a much different time at the the world was a very

different place yeah and like it's just even funny like these were re-releasing of t-shirts we're selling more of them like in a day than we did basically ever yeah right like pretty much sold more in a day than what we could in like multiple years the first time around yeah and did we we talked about the conversation of all the names for the hats did we talk about that on air you know like oh it's you know the beanie the stocking hat oh i don't think we actually did cover the did we talk about i thought we or i think it was me and you talking about on the way to the arnold was that right okay Okay. Oh, they said we did. Oh,

but I, what I had to add is there was one, one, someone threw one more at me. Uh, actually big cam of cam cock sauce. He says, uh,

well we call, we didn't call that any of that. We called that a toboggan. Oh, seriously? Yeah. Okay. Cause I saw a toboggan in there.

I'm like, yeah, what the hell does a sled have to do with any of this no my first that's what he's she he's like we uh um that's what everyone called it really that's what we call them in west virginia big he says oh man a toboggan there's something about southern people that i feel like they have everything backwards toboggan that doesn't make any sense that's but that's just that's just funny it's another this is apparently

one particular garment that has is very regional on what you call it apparently regional and uh time don't people get it's a cap for your head that you wear on your head so toboggan is just one more that can be thrown in there. Okay. We do have the, we have a McDonald's update that we got to get to. Maybe we'll hold off on that for just a couple minutes. Maybe we'll hold off for a week or two on that. We've been teasing that one for months now.

The McDonald's. What about a can? Should we get to a can or is it not time for a week or two on that. We've been teasing that one for months now. The McDonald's. What about a can? Should we get to a can or is it not time for a can? Wow, we're 16 minutes in already. Yeah. Yes, Tanner, this is a what's in the can. Okay.

Oh, do I need to... This is a proper what's in the can? This is a proper what's in the can. I'm excited for that McDonald's talk later if we get to it i'm not sure if we're going to be hungry just thinking about it we're also well as you know we're since we're on the topic of teasers massonomics is kind of working a pr angle here that uh could come to light something could come of this what of what oh we have a pr angle you know we have our pr people

talking to different things right now oh i was like i was like is this a joke or what are we see you have a blindfold on you don't know what's happening yeah i like but we do have some we have some pr fingers out there you can say so there's out there we could have some exciting uh so stay tuned news there could be some very fun things in the in the print form of uh that will lend themselves to memes very very well here we could there could be some print media coming soon for mass economics if everything goes according to plan okay you're ready for this what this a big can it is a big boy i'm pretty thirsty i hope it's a thirst quencher

real fruity i think i just smell i'm just smelling interesting interesting whoa who gave you that someone gave you this someone did give me this do they give you this Interesting. Interesting. Whoa. Who gave you this? Someone gave you this. Someone did give me this. Did they give you this at the Arnold? I'll give you more details on it when the time comes. That lack of carbonation really caught me off guard.

It tastes like a sweet tart, like I'm drinking a sweet tart or something. Tastes really sweet to me. Yeah. It'd be kind of tough to put this whole thing down, I think. Wow. I don't know what flavor that is. It tastes like candy. I don't know.

What flavor do you say? There's only 10 calories in here, so you don't have to worry about sugar. That cannot be. It tastes like I can feel the sugar. Only 10 calories, and none of it is from sugar i don't know where the calories are coming from um boy i don't know what flavor you let me try one is there any alcohol in this no no alcohol either no alcohol no carbonation. If you guess this flavor, then... Wait, is it grape? I'm going to say it's grape.

Is that what you're going with? Yeah. Okay. Why don't you take a look? Raging raspberry hibiscus. That's a flavor, huh? No one would ever know that. No, this is a no no one would ever get know that no this is a bang what do they even call this thing okay there's no caffeine in this okay that's what i was also

like are we dealing with uh caffeine what is booze what does it say i don't even know i think v-o-o-z-e-o-z-z bang, raging raspberry, hibiscus, hydration, sensation, and then osmolality optimized. There's a lot of words on this thing. Big Eddie gave you this. I had to think about it and I wanted to say big Eddie.

And I'm like, God, but multiple people gave us stuff. Did I remember that wrong? But I'm about 99% sure. Big Eddie gave this to me. Yes. Okay. Um, of stuff did i remember that wrong but i'm about 99 sure big eddie gave this okay yes okay um so this is it does not have caffeine you're sure i've looked it over multiple times

because i kept thinking because eddie even said yep no caffeine okay and i'm thinking ah is there a trick did we get tricked on this one but i, it's because then on the bottom it says also try VOOS plus energy. Okay. So this is purely for hydration sensation. Hmm. I do like this. The refreshing and delicious VOOS alternative transcends sports hydration with fourth fuel energy technology. with fourth fuel energy technology furthermore patent-pending booze is osmolality optimized and is powered by a critical osmolite and immune boosting ingredient sink in vitamin d3 vibe

with booze hydration sensation that's a lot of words right there that say nothing yeah i took nothing from that i don't know man this thing's pretty crazy it doesn't taste too bad to me. No, it's not bad. I'd probably go... We've had way, way worse than this. We've had way, way worse. I'd probably go... I don't think it's raspberry hibiscus.

The hibiscus is the real wild card always. I'm really torn between a three and a half and a three on this one. Me too. I think the carbonation... I think carbonation would really just lock in that three and a half and a three on this one me too i think the carbonation i think carbonation would really just lock in that yeah it's just uh i might just have to go three i'm kind of at a three that was just because in my head every time i have a can i'm thinking so much there's going to be some bubbly there yeah i'll give it a three yeah not too bad and i was pretty thirsty so i'm happy to have a a pounder right you will if you will um

the eddie versus thor fight is on saturday finally i bet we first talked about it uh years ago like actually years ago. We're not talking about Big Eddie from the Discord. We're talking about Big Eddie Hall and Big Hathor Hudeus Bjornsson. They are finally fighting on Saturday. It is funny thinking about Hathor fighting Eddie from the Discord, though. Should we do predictions like we do for the super bowl first of all who we think who you think you get who who's gonna win and what the circumstance will be so i don't know

enough about bowling to really bowl bowling you know everything about bowling i don't know enough about boxing to really even start calling circumstances um i think half thor is gonna win but circumstances by knockout i maybe i could see both the guys getting sloppy enough that they just start swinging and someone goes down eventually but i also could see them trying to avoid it ever coming to that point uh because just because neither one wants to say they were knocked out right i guess i think half thor is gonna win by like not a knockout like i think they're i don't know my guess also knowing absolutely nothing about boxing yeah saying that first of all just from what i've seen from both of them is it seems like thor maybe has really taken this

like somewhat very serious like he's i mean he's probably gotten about as good as you can get at boxing in like that amount of time with having no prior boxing experience whatsoever because just three short years well yeah i mean it has been a couple at that by now but like um i guess i'm gonna say him but i would think they're just even with all the training like i'm guessing they're gonna get so tired that it seems like when both guys are that tired that's not like oh like after the first minute or two there's not it's not all that prone for knockouts because neither of them like have like great punching power left i don't know i'll say thor will win by like decision that i guess i don't know i would i'll totally go with that too and then so the other thing and they're talking

about here is like eddie on his YouTube just came out with basically like a documentary about the 2017 World's Strongest Man. That was the year that Eddie won, that Thor lost. It was 2017? Yeah. Really? And I think it's like a four-part documentary. On YouTube, did you say?

On YouTube, Eddie's YouTube. All of them are like 30 minutes long. I watched part of the first one because I saw several people talking about it, and it seemed to be pretty decently made. But from what I saw, it was mostly about how bad a health Eddie was actually in and stuff like that. Leading up to it. Yeah, all the problems he had going on and stuff like that just being so overweight yeah yeah like i assume all

the drugs and the size of the drugs kind of go without saying right right yeah um but it seemed to be pretty interesting but then like i saw him and um thor had a little this week they had a little like uh sitting at a round table like back and forth with with each other and i can't really tell how much of it's staged it feels a little staged to me but also it does seem like they probably really don't like each other so i'm not really sure or i can't tell i can't tell if it's just 100 stage or like 80 stage you know like but um you know they they go back and forth and call each other out and it's just funny to me because also i'm not an actor so it's hard to put myself in those shoes but like even if it's acting i would be frustrated at the other person for him saying some of those

things about me you know i'd be like so they were yeah i'd be like don't call me a cheating son of a bitch like you know like i'd be like i'd forget'd forget that we're supposed to be doing this as an act and it would actually make me upset, I think. Because in the beginning it seemed very much like an act, the whole setup to the whole thing, right? Right. Yeah, I think that's kind of what it felt like. But it's so many years ago now that I honestly can't even hardly remember.

It seems like it's lost its luster a little bit. But I don't know. Until the fight starts. little bit but i don't know until the fight starts yeah so well i'm not are you gonna watch the fight i don't really know how you watch the fight even probably through the internet in some way or another um i probably will not yeah and then march march madness has started it does that's the more exciting thing honestly yeah right isn't it the more exciting thing? To me, I mean, you know, that's exciting for a long period of time for a number of reasons. This boxing match will be a flash in the pans.

I'm excited to see what the result is. Oh, yeah. I am, too. Yeah. But I just don't know enough about boxing to appreciate it. That's why I just can't get that excited about it, you know? Yep. I agree.

But March Madness is always interesting. march madness is always a bracket yet nah i kind of stopped doing the bracket i don't know we have one amongst our family that yeah that we do i'd like to think that i pretty much win it every year so it's just keeping the streak alive you know i think sdsu is a 13 seed. Are they? Yep. South Dakota State University. Best season they've ever had. Yeah. They are undefeated, and I think they won over 30 games. I think they only lost four games this year.

And they only drew a 13 seed. They got a little hosed on the seeding, I think. It's part of the schedule in the conference that kind of hurts you there. Yeah, but I mean, they literally won every, you know, like they didn't lose. They couldn't really do much else. Yeah, that has to be honestly one of the better records in D1, doesn't it? I'm sure it is up there, yes. Because I think they're like 30 and 4.

Yeah, everyone else that's in the top three all have at least four losses, don't they? Yeah, I would think so. I actually don't know. I'm just speculating and just guessing on what it's usually like. But I am going to a Timberwolves game this weekend. Oh, you are? Yeah, speaking of basketball, I'm going to go take in a T-Wolves. Speaking of the cities.

The cities, yeah. I'm going to take in a T-Wolves game. Carl Anthony Towns just dropped 60 points this week, too. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. And they're playing the Bucs, so I'm excited to see the Greek freak in person. I would love to see Giannis play. Yeah. I'm excited.

I want to see how close we can get to him to actually see. Really size him up. We have to be like guy what does this guy look like in person because like they don't call him the freak for no reason you know like i'll be curious what that's like and actually see him run the court and stuff from the three point wow like two steps because like i grew up playing basketball and you know played basketball throughout from like third grade through high school and stuff. And like what he does is not what like, isn't that like,

I'm like, he's seven foot tall and like the cheat code. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It's just exciting to see because it's a whole different, like, it's just like not even the same sport.

Yeah. That'll be really cool. Yeah. It will be cool. I'm excited to hear about that. I, I thought of this too, Tanner.

It's funny with the podcast i'm at the point where i just assume most people that know me personally don't listen to the podcast because they're like i don't need to hear i don't need to hear those two guys talk anymore that's just what i assume and i had three different people in the past week dm me about things from pod from episodes in the last one or two weeks which uh made me laugh so dan brian and zane what did they want uh first brian said we must have mentioned i can't even remember supporting member yep yes okay if it's perfect he said something about i don't know if i mentioned something west river or if i was mentioning zane and passing but either way it was something that related to zane and he said he's listening to

podcasts and right when that happened he got a playstation message from zane saying hey do you want to do you want a game he's like oh so it's like the universe was putting zane in my direction yeah and then uh my buddy dan he had said that there's what's upton what's upton jortsmanship he said there's no reason that ohio should ever be considered part of the midwest people were dming about that this week too he said there is nothing western about ohio at all here here's his hit this argument yeah nothing remotely mid or west about ohio it's neighboring two states notorious for embodying southern culture um but it can't be its own standalone state as a region. So he would feel comfortable labeling Ohio and Michigan

as Great Lakes states, which he thinks holds more honor than the Midwest. And I could see the argument in that. You know, and I had mentioned the time zone thing, and someone's rebuttal to that to me through a DM was, well, Michigan and Indiana are also in Eastern time zone. Yeah. And I would agree Michigan and Indiana would even be farther

from considering them in that Eastern block of states. Yeah. It's tough because they're right on the edge. I know it is. That's the thing. That's why they're borderline because they are right on the edge. I know it is. That's the thing. That's why they're borderline, because they are on the borderline. Yeah. It's a hard one.

There's probably someone that has some real good insight. I mean, really, the problem is I think at the end of the day, it's still there isn't necessarily a right answer or a wrong answer. That is the problem. It's a graze-o. Yeah, you just continue to be able to make arguments for it back and forth the other i got the piece of i couldn't remember what zane messaged me about and here it is and he said oh i was listening to the podcast and you guys were talking about playing the song crazy bitch and it made me laugh really hard

because he said it made me think of when we'd be at judd who's concerts and they would always it was so funny they would always do this. They would lead into, what's the song? Let's Start a Riot by Three Days Grace. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they'd always, before it would start, they'd say,

did someone say let's start a riot? And we'd go, no, no. And I totally forgot that that happened. Yeah, yeah. And so he had to message me. And it is funny how that comes full circle because it's Judd Hoos. You's you said hey you're a crazy bitch said hey crazy bitch hold up crazy

bitch what are we at here we're at uh pretty much interview time uh do we need to hit them with a couple ads oh oh while you're getting that ready, I was going to kick off a little supporting our supporting members segment. And we talked about Big Brian there. Big Brian, been a supporting member for a while. Also a hell of a Schwann's delivery man, if you ask me. He knows his way around a Schwann's truck. Is Schwann's pretty Midwestern? They're out of Marshall, Minnesota, so it should be very.

I think they got bought, though, by a big. Yeah, I think you're right. Real big company you know i don't know i mean there's still some sort of headquarters out of marshall minnesota yeah they were going to change their name from schwanz to gooses they're going to be the silly goose delivery so if uh you guys are listening to this and you don't know what schwanz is or the schwanz man it's funny because around here you can say someone's a schwan's man yeah you know exactly what that means so schwan's is a delivery uh they're like the original food delivery service aren't they yeah yeah and so they drive around in these yellow um trucks with big coolers in the you know the back of the truck is a cooler it's got like all these doors on the side and it's funny how iconic that truck is like you google it a schwan's truck yeah and instantly it's like yeah everyone knows

exactly what i'm looking at it like they drive around they come knock on your door and ask you if you want to buy like these frozen pizzas and ice cream oh as a kid it was they're like the ice cream delivery man right you get their all their ice cream treats especially when you start thinking probably what 20-ish years ago when stores didn't carry as many cool things as they do now. This is where you get those awesome prepackaged cones and the push-ups and the ice cream sandwiches. I think overall it was pretty expensive. I think so.

In comparison to, but I guess they were also delivered to your door. Well, compared to Walmart, everything's expensive too, you know. True. Well, with the price of gas these days. You know, with everything going on. I think all the schwan's trucks in town run on propane really i believe they do i used to drive by for my job their old warehouse out there brian could tell me for sure i believe they all run on propane now

something to huh something to think about there with everything going on i guess the price of gas these days. Can't hardly afford to drive around anymore. Everyone's going to be walking everywhere. Exactly. But supporting our supporting members besides Brian, the Schwan's man. Also, we had this week. Oh, and I guess to make sure everyone knows.

There's a Schwan's truck in the Discord. To make sure everyone knows what supporting our supporting members is we have this group of supporting members they support the massomics podcast uh by them supporting the podcast they get access to a whole bunch of cool stuff one of which they get to be on our private discord community uh which is super cool beans there's a whole bunch of people in there uh it's very active community they're kind of going at it all the time every day 24 7 around the clock there's something going on in our discord community that's how active it is uh by being a supporting member you also get uh access to a discount code you get to know insider tips on new drops you get to uh get access to new drops early

you get uh insider information on like secret massonomic stuff that we don't tell the greater public we don't even tell each other we just have to go to the discord to find out about it there's like a stolen toilet paper story that is just very active

in the discord because it's never been released to the whole public so like if you want to know what is this stolen toilet paper actually what is this borrowed toilet paper story you would have to become a supporting member um but it is borrowed toilet paper that's an important distinction in that particular story but to learn about that and more stories like that become a supporting member and this is our chance to give back to those people so number one here um big kevin who actually just met at the arnold this year big kevin rsg he competed he had a 440 squat which was a pr a 259 bench and a 490 pound deadlift

which that was a pr also his total was 1189 i assume with the pr squat and pr deadlift that that was a total pr of 1189 nice so nice work big kevin 1200s right there yep just uh right within grasp then next one is uh brandon campbell you mentioned that yeah that uh his most recent youtube video given uh massonomics discord a shout out as one of the two discords he's a part of You mentioned that in his most recent YouTube video. Giving Masonomics Discord a shout out. One of the two Discords he's a part of. Right, he was kind of commenting how he's an old man and just kind of trying to figure out Discord. It just became apparent to me what the Discord logo is.

Like that thing. Isn't it just kind of like a Space invader oh i thought it was like a game controller oh maybe it is i always thought it kind of looked like a little space invader guy you know what i'm talking about yeah to me it's because i honestly it's funny it's a game controller that also looks like a face yes i always saw the face in it but uh it's funny that you say that because now i'm just realizing i've honestly never really actually paid attention to it. Yeah, because Discord primarily started off for gamers. After kind of thinking about that, I'm like,

oh, that has to be a game controller too, isn't it? Yep, that's right. It is. And I had never really thought about that before. It can be seen as a play on a stylized gaming controller with the grips curled down forming a smile, which can also be seen as a face. Good stuff. Now do we need to get into some advertisements?

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Bye, Discord. All right. No. Big Phil. Hello. Big Phil, is that you? That's me. What's up? Excellent. you're live on the podcast with tanner and tommy what's up phil not much man long time no see i know it's been like two weeks it's too long i fucking missed you guys we figured uh yeah is it true that some of your family is in South Dakota right now?

They are in South Dakota right now. Yes. Where at? Are there not in Western Northeast South Dakota? Are they, we could have, no, they're in,

they're, they're in Western, Western South Dakota. Are they in the black or scenic? Yeah. They're in the black Hills. Okay. My wife's brother lives in rapid city.

So we go up there a couple of times a year. That's, that's Black Hills. Okay. My wife's brother lives in Rapid City. Oh, excellent. So we go up there a couple times a year. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Would you ever consider doing a meet in Rapid City? They have a few powerlifting meets there every year. I would do one. Yeah. That'd be pretty fun.

I did one in Rapid last year. That'd be fun if we met up and did one there sometime. Yeah, it'd be badass. If they do one around November, will they do one in the winter oh let's see i did one in july and then i think they do a second one so they they do ones i don't know if it's in uh the front side of winter or the back side you know i don't know i usually do one in the fall or whatever is when i do them but yeah okay well i'll keep you posted when I know about them. Yeah, let me know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because I always travel.

This year, I went to Ohio and competed down there in Columbus. Yeah. So, the Black Hills is a pretty cool place. I mean, we've got a lot of listeners

that probably haven't been there before, but that's kind of the shining star of South Dakota a lot of times. Yeah, that's pretty much all there is there. Oh, and Massana's gym. Well, yeah. Yeah, there you go there you go yeah so it's a lot like kansas you know but we don't have the black hills so we have nothing so well so well we'll get to some of the other stuff we got there that you got

there but uh yeah so we did just see you at the arnold it was fun uh got got to talk to you for a little bit there we're pretty busy with our booth the whole time. So we don't actually get to do that much. Like we, we've been stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, we get to talk to everyone for a little while, which is really fun, but it'd be, uh, probably more fun to, you know, be able to hang out and have a few more beers and do that sort of thing.

But still, yeah, that's what we did. Right. So you guys, you guys messed up. Right. I know we did. You guys messed out. I know we did.

We saw everyone else having the fun. You missed the best part of the Arnold. What was the best part? We went and watched that slap boxing. I was with Wendler. Arnold was on stage. Arnold left after three fights. He's driving through the crowd. he's maybe five feet from us

and Jim goes off you stupid son of a bitch fuck you and he just starts going off on Arnold at the Arnold it was fucking amazing do you think you could hear him oh he heard him and the whole crowd cheered so was he in a golf

cart or did he have his own? Yeah, he was in his golf cart. Oh, I did not see him once. I didn't even know about this golf cart thing. In the past years, I've seen him a little bit more often. I don't think I've ever not seen him once before. Also, there's, you know, obviously, like, I'm sure you noticed, too, to compare to other years, there's a little bit less of a crowd there,

of course, this year than there has been in the past. So it kind of took away some of that feeling where it's like if somebody you know famous or whatever is coming through where they're like literally like it doesn't take a plowing yes yeah yeah um but what what were you what what was your takeaway on the arnold i mean i obviously there's less people there less boosts and stuff like that and uh that. Do you think it'll be building back up from this in the future years or coming back down? What's your guess? I'm guessing it'll slowly go back up. I enjoyed it because it wasn't so fucking crowded.

Exactly. What was it? 2020 was canceled, right? Yes. In 21. 2019 was insane. Yeah. And that was the year that like the fire department shut it down and they were letting one person in one person out. That was just too much. It was, uh,

you know, there was room for everybody to work and, you know, show their ILS, you know, he had a bunch of lat syndrome going on and people had room to spread out like that. So, uh, I liked i liked it you know it was good yeah there's still more than enough people there it's just not where it's like your front row of a concert unable to like breathe or get across the yeah exactly so no it was good like it was and for that reason it's the longest we've hung out normally we go in there for like 20 minutes we get the hell out right it was down to enough people we're like okay let's hang out for a while it's kind of surprising me

to me i don't know obviously i don't basically know jim at all other than what you know i've seen of him on podcasts and that sort of thing and yeah but uh i'm surprised that he goes to that at all at all almost yeah he has to get out of his house once a year so that's it's it's in the contract we got a contract and uh so he gets out once a year so everybody knows he's still alive and then marks it off the list like yep there it is and that's it and then he just goes home yep and then he just stays in his hometown so there well no it's always good we catch up and you know we mean him always go together and then we quickly head across the street to that, uh,

Barley's brew house or whatever it is and get some wings and sit there. Did we eat? Is that the one of the ones we went to one of those nights? I think the first night we went there. Yeah. I think we did. It's directly across the street. It's good food.

Yeah. So no, that's good. So backing up a little bit, like you don't have to even necessarily get super into detail on every part of it, but it's kind of interesting. I think you've got almost like a troubadour-style strength training history

where you've done a lot of different unique things in unique places with unique individuals. So what is... Even if you just uh the chronological order of the different different places and people that you kind of went with there you know like yeah from the 10 000 foot view because it's pretty pretty like uh it's it's pretty yeah it's eclectic yeah that's a good yeah i've bounced all over the place um let's see how this started so as far as competing and stuff i got into it late um i started that in my 30s but uh before that i got into training i was really

overweight um and not in a good way and got into training um started that fell in love with it, somehow landed a position at T nation. Uh, so I worked there for like six years. That allowed me to, that's how I met Lonnie and everybody like that. Uh, Lonnie Lowry, Dr.

Lowry with them. I traveled a ton. So this was back when the Olympia was big. So I'd go and travel and I worked with Pavel and a bunch of those people. It was more in the bodybuilding type stuff. What were you doing at T? at like what was your role there i started out as a forum moderator and then worked up from there uh i was the second if anybody's aware just familiar with t-nation yeah it was it was basically chris sugar and uh tc loma who running. And they're still there. And then they hired me and one other person.

So I was like their second, third employer, whatever it was. And then we kind of built up from there. I worked for them for six years. Started as a forum moderator, kind of moved up. I was helping coach and just answer questions to people for years. And with them, I just had open access to all these coaches. And that's where I met Dave Tate. You know,

I threw a seminar in, this was back when seminars weren't happening. I threw a seminar in Washington, DC and Dave actually saved my ass. It was called the test fest because I worked there, but it was my own seminar. And, uh,

I booked a Hilton in downtown Washington, DC. They're like fucking conference room or whatever it was. Yup. And we posted that shit up and I had Dan John and a bunch of other people coming to talk. And I'm three weeks out from this thing and it sold like four tickets. So I was in the hole,

like 20 grand. It's always a good feeling, right? Yeah. I was like a little nervous at that point in time. Yeah. I'm fucked. Cause I was paying all the presenters, you little nervous at that point in time yeah i'm fucked because i was paying all the presenters you know at that time nobody was getting paid

to present i was like okay i'm gonna pay you guys all had all them paid had this the hilton books a block of rooms booked out and like i said had like three tickets sold dave caught word of it and uh he came on board and said he'd come talk for free. And at Lead FTS would give away 10 grand worth of equipment if it sold out. In like two days, it sold out. So he totally saved my ass. And I didn't know him at all. Like we had chatted a bit.

But so that got us to meet each other. And then shit from there, I lived in Thailand for a year. I worked at the Olympic Training Center there. Also, Dennis James's gym that was in Thailand. And that's where I kind of fell in with a guy and started strongman training with Calvin Neff. Calvin competed with in powerlifting with louis simmons a bunch of other people so i kind of went under learned from him started doing the strongman thing lived in thailand for a year moved back briefly moved to montana for a second and back to kansas

and started competing in strongman this is what i started in and did a bunch of those and blew my first bicep doing Atlas stones. Yup. Uh, I did a few more strong man things then decided to try a power lifting meet and, uh, went on and won the WPF worlds. And that was back when 700 deadlift was big.

Now that it's not shit, but sadly, um, yeah. Uh, then I landed a job in Phoenix, Arizona with Charles Staley, Staley training systems there.

Again, I bounced around a bunch, but a lot of time down with ripto, um, with Wendler, uh, three years there, I moved up and went out on my own and then started helping with Jesse Burdick up in Northern California.

And then brief time there, then we decided to get a farm, moved back to Kansas and opened a gym. That's kind of the short and skinny. back to Kansas and open a gym. And that's, that's, that's kind of the short and skinny, but basically, yeah,

that's it. You know, for 15 years, I traveled all around the world and, you know, there were a lot of other stops in there. And, oh, I learned from Sarah Robles.

I learned Olympic decided I need to learn, uh, Olympic weightlifting. And while I was in Phoenix, Arizona, so Sarah Robles has started training at a place in Phoenix. Anybody that doesn't know Sarah, she's been to the Olympics two times now

for us, won a world championship. Basically, this is how I learned all my shit. I decided to take the old school model of just being an apprentice. I'd just call people up and they'd say, hey, I want to learn. Can I come? They'd say, fuck yeah. I'd load my truck my truck basically i lived down in my truck for 15 years

and so i started going in the how i learned olympic weightlifting i learned from her coach i just went in and shut up and watched uh and learned that um yeah and that's i did that with a bunch of people so i just call them up and fucking come out and shut up and sit there and learn. And even, even crotchety old bastards like Mark Ripto. I mean, there's shit to learn and people fuck up there.

It's everybody has something to teach you. If you're smart enough to shut the hell up and, and digest it and learn like 99% of what Mark teaches, I think is, I don't do it, but he has some gems you can catch and everybody does. Right. Right.

Uh, so, but, and I consider Mark a friend of mine, you know, we don't agree on training, but, uh,

like he still tells me, I don't know how to deadlift. He wrote me one day, like I pulled seven 80 and he's like, well, you're doing, it's still wrong, but you're doing something. Okay. Yeah. Whatever. So, you he's like, well, you're doing, it's still wrong, but you're doing something.

Okay. Yeah. Whatever. So, you know, and, uh, yeah. And then, you know, I got tight with Jim when me and Jim actually first met in person when I was up with Burdick in Northern California. And then, uh, then me and Jim came tight and then it's just kind of, it's kind of went crazy from there. I started, well well we started iron radio when i was in phoenix which was like 14 years ago and that of course led to more people

and so were you on did you get in on iron radio like on episode one i was day one yeah me and lani started it okay yeah yeah i mean it was fucking you go back to day one and it was oh my god the recording was just horrible so the sound quality yeah so that's a whole nother thing that we want to talk to you about that is for sure especially like we so we're your episode 311 of the massonomics podcast so we i mean we've been going on it quite a while i think iron radio i looked it's like 660 yeah we're way up there yeah i think it's 667 so i mean we've been doing this every single week for i i mean next week will be six years that we've never missed a week yeah you've done more than

twice as many episodes as us still yeah we're over 12 years in yeah so yeah well we were hit like as far as i know we are still the single the longest running fitness podcast has to be well yeah like what like what else is out there when you guys first started like like what was like was it like did people listen to it on like apple podcasts or like what was oh no i didn't even exist i'm not even sure an iphone existed right um no we used this i don't remember the name of the fucking system it was some recording system and yeah well how did you listen to it how were you even familiar like how are you familiar with like how did it really how did the podcast specifically start uh well me and lonnie decided

we wanted to start something and basically we wanted a way to give back that was free and the other thing that we latched on to from day one was we were going to be non-biased or whatever you call it basically we don't take sponsors even though we've had people like come to us and try and hop their shit and we're like we're not doing that yeah you know we're just going to keep this kind of a an npr format where it's free and we just talk about what we want and i don't remember the name of the system, but there was like a system where you could call in and I had a fucking buttons I could push and make weird sounds with it and shit. So I was having fun with that. It was, it was trash.

Like the first year was trash as far as the content's good, but the audio sucks. Right. And my dumb ass sitting there playing with buttons and pushing applause buttons and things. And, uh, then we moved on from there and I just kind of learned how to do it. No one was doing it. We were just like, fuck it, let's do it. Joe Rogan wasn't.

Yeah. You look at like 2010. I mean, in 2010, if you asked a hundred people what a podcast is with like one of them know what that word meant. I bet something like, yeah. I mean, were you guys calling it a podcast? Like, was that what you said you were doing was like, no that didn't exist we were just iron radio right uh right so it's funny you were podcasting before people said the word podcast basically yeah yeah yeah

and then we got booted because i used to we didn't know any of the shit we didn't know the rules so like i led our lead song for the podcast was something by slayer oh and of course like after a year and a half they're like nope can't fucking do that and oh fuck so yeah basically my brother is a singer in a band so i use all his music now because he can just eat a dick he's not gonna get money from me i make no money i've made like 14 cents off iron radio in 12 years right so um yeah and that's where we're at now lonnie lonnie was back on this week he had to well he got a new new job why has he not been on i noticed that tonight but i wasn't i missed i he got a new job and it's a conflict of interest he's no longer a professor

so uh but now he's able to bounce on he'll be coming on at least once a month and, uh, and stuff like that. So that's good. I'm the only one left from the beginning. Who else, who else was in the original, um,

in the, at the very beginning, how many different hosts have their bed? Well, it was me, Lonnie. There was four of us at the beginning. Okay.

Me, Lonnie, Charles Daly and Rob Fortney. It wasn't long, and we booted Charles, and it came back down. I don't even need to go into that, but anyways. Well, it was with that old saying. Like Dan John called me a bit. He was like, if you don't have something nice to say, you just don't say anything.

Yeah. Yeah. And that says a lot. So then for a long time it was me Lonnie and Rob for I don't know five six years and then Mike could jump on every now and again and we've had some other people but and John Mike and things like that but the two constants were always me and Lonnie okay and then uh this just came up and Lonnie couldn't turn it down. It was a lot more money and things like that.

You can't blame him. More money, more problems, though. Yeah, exactly. For sure. I don't know anything about that. Yeah, because when I started listening, what is it, Rob?

What's his last name? He was already not on it, but? What's his last name? Courtney. Yeah, see, he was already not on it, but he's always still in the introduction. And I never really listened to the back catalog, but I always assumed, this is obviously somebody that used to be on here that isn't anymore. Yeah, and Rob was a good dude. He just got busy with life. And not everybody can live broke like i do

and just fucking be a power lifter 12 years is a long a long time you know to do anything for 12 years is a very long time yeah i can't stop now and that's what like there was there was the choices like well we could just end it i'm like fuck that it's been 12 years i'm gonna run this bitch till i die you know you guys better not stop because then we only need like six years to get you know like if you guys gap will be closing if you guys stop we'll i know i know chipping away at that gap because there's probably not that many between like like you guys were so far in front i don't oh yeah i bet there's not that many fitness podcasts in between your 12 years and our six like i bet there's like yeah just a few there's not that many fitness podcasts in between your 12 years and our six like i bet there's like yeah just there's not like hundreds of them that are in the 800 i think like barbell

shrugged still exists and they exist before us you know that was kind of like um crossfit and but i think they still exist so they'd be in there but there wouldn't be that many i bet between us no no and i mean the only reason Rogan has more shows than us is he does more than one a week. Yeah, right. If we did like four a week, fuck, we'd have, oh, God. Yeah, it's just once a week. That was our plan, too, from the start, was consistency.

That's where most people fuck up if they start a podcast. It all sounds neat when you start it and you're fucking gung-ho yep and then a month goes by and it's like fuck we gotta do this shit again it's like i actually had a few things that a few other things i needed to get done this week i'm not sure if i can make that work again yeah and it's just that's the promise we made is like we're just gonna do it every week and that of course we've been i've gotten some up slow especially in this transition because lonnie did all that shit yeah like basically i just used to have to show up and be pretty and now and now i have to record it and fucking do all that shit so and send it off so i'll get busy and then i forget oh fuck

we record that saturday it's tuesday I better give it to my web guy. That's a lot of fun. I believe that was the first podcast Massonomics was ever on, wasn't it, Tanner? That you and I are actually on. That might have been. Look at that. We're famous now. It put us on the map.

There you go. It wasn't long after that that we were on Starting Strength podcast. Okay. on the map but it's on the map there you go it wasn't long after that that we were on start starting strength podcast and okay some other so yeah we got to be on rips podcast which was uh it was i mean it was a fun experience oh yeah he's a good dude he's a crossed the old fucker so you gotta go down there sometimes you guys need to make a trip down there see i'd like to get you know i'm kind of jealous of like what you've done because you've gone to these places and done those, you know, like we've got an open invitation to go out to Elite FTS and stuff too. And that's another thing where I'm like, like I just have to, yeah, just got to like mark it off the bucket list. Oh, that's a blast.

Yeah. All that stuff's fun. And yeah, I used to go down and see Mark once a month and just hang out. But that was the first place I went to. Cause I grew up in Kansas and like, we were still like until five years ago, like you couldn't buy beer on Sundays. Oh,

okay. Type of thing. Yeah. And I'm down there with Mark and he pulls up to like a Sonic looking restaurant and they fucking bring us beer and we're drinking in the car.'m like what the fuck is this this is badass yeah so yeah in your uh competitive career you've are you kind of you i know you you have you had hip replacement surgery is that total hip replacement okay and now you still compete do you compete single ply now or what do you i just started i did my first single ply meet yeah okay so so when i on my hip

replacement i squatted my heaviest squat on hip replacement at 722 with a fake hip yep so and then i did single ply 776 at this last meet um so so what do you think of the single ply 776 at this last meet. So what do you think of the single ply now that you've gotten into it a little bit in comparison? Are you liking it? Or is it just making training a thing you can do longer? Yeah, pretty much. So my goal, my whole goal,

I knew I wouldn't be the best pilot in the world, but like Iron Radio, if I can just outlast all you fuckers, I'm going to set all the records at like 93. So, uh, that's, um, no, I just let, I tried retiring after. So I blew my total hip replacement. And then I was coming back from that. I was probably a year out of hip replacement and, uh, I was doing my first heavy deadlifts and I deadlifted six 45.

Basically I was training myself to be on two legs again because I pulled 780 pretty much one legged with a bad hip because I had had a bad hip for about eight years. And but I'm training myself to be on two legs again. I pulled 74645 and it felt fine. So I was like, let's do 675. And I made it up to about my knee and all the weight shifted to one leg and i tore my hamstring off the bone uh from the hip so i was like fuck uh i had to go through that which is the worst fucking surgery ever i don't suggest it for anybody and i've had a lot of surgeries wouldn't recommend no you're fucking locked in this

goddamn so basically they put me in a brace that was strapped around your knee then it straps around your hip okay and it straps right under your chest so basically you can do two things you can lay down or stand up uh so i had to drop bombs i had to fucking shit for like two weeks standing up just spread the legs and fucking hope for the best. Oh, man. There's a lot of hoping going on there. Sometimes when you're literally sitting on the toilet, there's a lot of variability of where things can go. Yeah, no, it was bad. We're adding feet of distance.

When you're sitting there, things can get in places you're like, how is that possible? Yeah. Anyways, the whole hip replacement thing and all that, but, uh, and all that stems back from basically I was ran over when I was seven

years old. So when I was seven years old, you know, the youth utility trucks that like fix power lines and shit. Yeah. One of those backed over me. So that broke my pelvis in 16 places, severed my femoral artery.

And, uh, they said I wouldn't live. And then somehow I fucking lived. And then they're like, you're going to lose your leg. And then I wouldn't live and then somehow i fucking lived and they're like you're gonna lose your leg and then i kept my leg and then okay well you'll never walk again and that was kind of the last thing and basically i told him to eat a dick and learn how to walk again and then then from there i was never supposed to play sports and stuff. Have you ever thought that you are kind of a real-life Forrest Gump?

Yeah, kind of. Only it's just prettier. I'm just thinking it's hitting me right now. There's a lot. Like you weren't going to walk and all of a sudden I picture you are out running and the braces are flying off of you. And then later in life

like all these experiences that you've had i guess i'll go to thailand there you go so i went to thailand i got a running lawnmower too but uh yeah so it's true long story short basically i had a cool vascular surgeon and uh at some point when i was probably i don't know middle school he just came to our parents and he said you guys need to just let this kid do what he's going to do um will it can it kill him potentially i said but he's not gonna be happy you know and he kind of got them to take the reins off and just said just do it you know even though you know i potentially went so they replaced my femoral artery with a vein. So if you look at my left leg, like all the vein, there's a,

there's a main vein missing. So I have restricted blood flow in that leg and have forever. But yeah, I just said, fuck it and did it. And I played football and shit like that and loved it. And then I got into drinking and shit like that for a while. But who didn't, um, anyways, but that's the long story short. That's why the hip went bad. So basically it was my left hip and they said, basically they equated it to a car running

on bad alignment and the part just wore out a lot faster. Right. Is why that hip went bad. And then my orthopedic surgeon just told me me like roll with it as long as you can. Cause I was like 27 and needed a hip. And, uh, he's like,

just, just keep going until you cannot take it anymore. Cause the hips only last so long. Right. So how old were you when you got the new hip? 30, what would it be? 39.

Okay. How long does it last? 39. Okay. How long does it last, presumably? Supposed to be a 25-year hip. He said he'd be unhappy if it didn't last 15 with what I do. So is it possible you could have to get, like, you would get that replaced again? Oh, I'm going to have to get another one. Yeah. Because I'm six years into it already.

Right. I mean, you're not that old. When you get to that 39, if you figure 15 years, you're not going to want to live the last 20, 25 years of your life with a hip that doesn't work. Basically, I'll be getting another

one at some point, but right now, it's good. Basically, the move to single ply was just, like you said, it was just longevity. I squatted that 722 on a fake hip. And all the suit does really is it evens my hips back out because I'll squat. Basically, I always get a red light if I'm not in the suit because my left hip's high. And I drop the right one low. In the suit, they even out.

And, you know, the biggest thing for me was just getting used to it. I don't know. All these people talk about a ton of fucking carryover, and I've talked to everybody, and I got the best suit you can get, and I'm getting probably 50 pounds out of it. It's not like the multiply stuff. pounds out of it right so it's not like to multiply stuff and deal with it right but uh um yeah i mean on your hip you know when you were still going at it raw here after your hip replacement yeah what was it was it painful in your hip still i mean would you describe it

as pain still or is it different than that no not really pain's pretty much all gone it's just i started having knee pain uh because my hip moves weird yeah right and that's all my knee pain goes away with the single ply and the fuck i figured too i mean my biggest thing that led me to single ply was probably the fact that when i started powerlifting like jim and dave and chuck logopol and all those guys were the big thing on the scene so i'd show up to powerlifting meets and there'd be 35 people at the four powerlifting meets a year um right and and i was the raw dude i was the only raw guy and then like a year ago i'm looking around i was like there's nobody fucking lifting equipped fuck it it's my turn to do it i'm gonna be the only equipped guy so now i show up and i'm the one equipped guy at meets and it's like okay this is where i fit this is this is what i need to be doing yeah but and it's just trying something

new it makes it fun again because it is a little different uh the training is a little bit different and the groove for it's a little different i still spent like we did that meet november and i just put my suit back on two weeks ago so i still do some raw training um so and then i put my suit back on and i'll train from now until november and in the suit so i bench raw still okay so my bench is dumb so i don't even pay it's just there it's the stupidest fucking event ever like let's have you lay down and do something i was like oh fuck okay but uh yeah so you know the uh the single heaviest power lifting lift of all time is in the bench press the guy yeah the guy the guy you know in the like those band whatever those uh what even was it like those band bent shirts or whatever they're new.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the guy had like, was it 13? Is that what it was? To me, it's a weird thing if the bench is now heavier, is heavier than either the squat or the deadlift. Yeah, but look at the carryover they're getting. Right. Because what's like the best,

some do that one Iranian guy just benched 800 or whatever. Right. Right. Yeah. But, uh, but compare that to the biggest raw squad or biggest raw deadlift. Right.

There's not, they're getting a shitload of what did Mendelsohn do? Mendelsohn like bench 12 or some shit and in a shirt, but his best was like seven 20. Yeah, exactly. So there's a shitload of carry over there but right the problem with mine is i blew my shoulder i was doing one of uh

fuck it was one of matt or mark bell's backyard meets or whatever it was yeah way back backyard meat of the century yeah it was one of those it was yeah and i was it was one of the first ones and uh i benched and about halfway up there there were three loud, audible clicks, and with each click, the bar sank further down on me, and I pretty much obliterated my labrum. So I've been back over 400 a few times since then, but it takes a lot of fucking work, and I just can't get myself to go. I've had a ton of surgeries, and I can't get myself to go on. I've had a ton of surgeries. And I can't get myself to go under a knife just to bench more. Right. Yeah.

Because daily life is fine. I can do everything else in daily life. And it's like, I can't. My wife would probably kill me too. You being at one of those backyard meets at the super training thing, it further is emphasizing my point that you are like the lifting world real life for a scump that is just solidifying the one especially that he has the youtube video on is like iconic yeah yeah early 2000 like oh yeah the one where mark yeah where dan green's there and yeah and like yeah yeah that was the one where fucking i deadlifted i don't remember it was

i don't know i was deadlifted 750 or whatever after i blew my fucking shoulder and so what happened was i set the bar down and i i just bail i leave real fast and everybody's like where'd you go and i shit myself i fucking shit myself pulling seven 50. And so I was like, I gotta go guys. And I come out of the back room and there's Jim McDonald and he shoves a fucking camera in my face right away. And he's like, and that's what the YouTube video is like.

I, I'm just, I look high as shit. Cause I just got done deadlift and I just cleaned my asshole. As best you probably could. Yeah, exactly. He throws the camera in my face be real probably

super clean yeah i mean yeah that was before yeah and that was before powerlifting meets had like underwear rules and shit but uh so yeah but yeah no i'm so old and into this like apf was the big thing right you know it's i've lifted in pretty much every federation except for the one that banned me which is us apl but uh yeah i talked to ed cone and they banned me so so you you did get banned well i started yeah i got officially banned they wrote me a letter and it's because i i had that federation going for a while uh usff usf fuck i don't remember you had a federation you had a federation yeah and basically what we did and it's we were the only federation i know we just didn't have a drug policy sure and because we didn't have a drug policy they fucking banned me okay uh because we're like take whatever

they want or don't take anything i don't care care. You know? And, uh, basically we gave cash away at every meet. That's what we did. So we had set limits. Like you could only pay, it was 50 bucks to get in and $5 of that 50 bucks went right back to the athletes. And there was, I'm not big on participation trophies and I hate going to meets where like they give out 300 awards. We gave out one award.

We had best lifter. That's it. And you got got cash you got all the cash yeah so um yeah there's a certain weirdness to it when you go and someone you know they do one power lifting meet just like everyone else does and like there'll be people that have like four four medals 10 awards now this is not necessary like let's not do that like we don't need to do that yeah the the one-legged master's firefighter division shouldn't be a thing there's only fucking one of them well and there's only so many of us doing this sport anyway you know you gotta yeah you gotta go pretty far and wide to find enough of us to get together to do do one like you don't need to, it doesn't, you know, yeah, cash out on all the trophies.

Exactly. It's like, I'm not a trophy grabber. I just give them to my kid and, you know, he likes them. But I just do it because I love it. The other thing we got to touch on quick is, you know, business-wise, you, I mean mean i don't know how much even we don't have to explain everything but you um do you work with a whole bunch of other companies in the industry where i don't know you do printing sourcing fulfillment all that sort of stuff like what what are some of the companies you work with that people would uh recognize obviously that they know um elite fcs jim windler hate brand goods dead looking donuts

uh power athlete um so that's just alone oh that's cool i mean it's a pretty good lineup right there already yeah there's a there's a ton of them uh the spBC. I also make a lot of the stuff for FEMA and Department of Home Defense. And it's all across the board. So basically all that would happen. We can go into this a little bit. I have a master's degree in art that I never used. And that's when I was doing that when I worked for T Nation. And then I landed the gig and moved to Thailand and shit like that.

And then turned my attention 100% to the fitness industry. But when I moved up to, basically, I got a family is what happened. Yep. And then you have kids. Yeah. And then you're like, I was used to living out of my truck making like $500 a week. Yeah. And now I got a kid to take care of and no wife.

like $500 a week. And now I got a kid to take care of and no wife. So basically I started making shirts and shit for people. And Wendler was my first Jim was my first client in the fitness industry and then it kind of bloomed from there.

So yeah, I do everything. Like anything on Jim's store, I make it. We print his books, we do his shirts, we do his hats, we do his straps, we do his hats. We do his straps. We do his freaking sleeves. We do anything across the board. So Prescript, we do their stuff now, Jordan Shallow. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, there's a lot of people. And we make it. We store it. We ship it. We pack it and all that stuff. And then some of them, like Elite FTS, of course, they have their own warehouse. So I send them their shirts and things like that. But I do a lot of design work for them and things

so basically i started that because i needed a uh well i learned what i didn't want to be in the fitness world when i was in phoenix the fee to train with me was 350 an hour when you have a fee like that you're're not working with athletes. Right. Yeah. Cause those athletes are money to do that. Like, no. So, yeah. So basically I figured out what I didn't want to be. And was that like, I didn't want to be the, the, the word now is fit pro and I'm not a fucking fit pro.

Um, so I wanted to keep working with athletes and things like that. But if you do that, your price has to be lower. Um, but I needed to support a family so uh basically i started that and it just ballooned up they started with me in my basement and now it's me and 14 employees in a 60,000 square foot warehouse i was gonna that's what i was gonna ask you you must have a lot of square feet yeah well i lucked out there too because i was getting ready we were getting ready to break break ground on a warehouse to build it was just going to be 6 000 square feet and about a little less than a mile from me a building that was built in 1894 came up for tax auction it got seized by the state for taxes and i was like fuck it i'm gonna go to the auction and nobody else showed up

so i got a 60 000 square foot warehouse for $14,000. Jeez. What the hell? I just, I paid the back taxes on it. Yeah. And I didn't. Yeah, that's low. But I've put money into it.

We reworked it and things like that. But in comparison to build it, you know, breaking ground. Oh, yeah. I paid like four cents a square foot. Like, you know, 14 grand might have like paid comparison to build it, you know, breaking ground. Oh yeah. I paid like 4 cents a square foot, you know, 14 grand might've like paid for the garage doors or, you know, from the overhead doors on the other building, you know? Yeah. Because of the 6,000 square foot building I was

building was going to be like 75,000. Right. So yeah, it worked out great. And I didn't need that space at the time. So I still rented out like half of it. And then then we just grew and we grew into the whole thing. And now i'm real close to needing another one so but that's yeah that's kind of what i do man it's like uh i go and i coach people in the morning and then i do that shit all day and the awesome thing is basically i turned it into i deal 99 of the people i deal with are in the fitness industry

right so it helps me it's my creative outlet and, uh, you know, I'm able to design stuff or work with their designers and then we just make that a shit. So how many hours a week do you think you work? All of them. My average day is,

uh, 12 to 14 hour day. Yeah. And then I take Sundays off. You said much less than that probably. Yeah, no, I mean, it's just, yeah. So yeah, but I mean, it's all, what's the stupid saying? It's like, you never work a day in your life if you do what you love. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, no. And then, you know,

slowly most of my employees are all lifters of mine. So they started out as clients in the gym and then, uh, I snuck them into working for me. That's cool. Yeah. So that's a good thing. The old farming system there. Yup.

Yup. Scout the talent. Well, by the time you coach someone for a while, you kind of know, like if they're not, not a piece of shit, like you're like,

it's a good vetting system. You're like, yeah, I could, you could work for me, you know, like I can tell. Yeah.

And then it's it's also transferred it's helped my training stuff my my gym because now i'm at a position i don't need it i don't need the gym i just love it right so if somebody doesn't fit you're fucking gone real fast yeah like i you need you more than i need you get the fuck out of here you know so uh that's helped so i mean the gym's actually well done in the gym uh you know we have massonomics gym it's our um i don't know it's semi-open to the public ish but it's kind of a club gym you know we don't it's not advertised you know you gotta you gotta know somebody to get in and like it kind of self weeds people out that you know don't fit the culture probably yeah and

I much more enjoy that than if we came at the gym from a perspective of it having to be a profit center you know like you could get into some situations where it's like becomes impossible to have the vibe that you want to have and be able to do the things you want to do. And then all of a sudden, like I would worry, I'd be like, I feel like this is missing the original,

the point of the right where I'm like, all of a sudden it doesn't serve the original point of the gym to begin with. Yeah. Yep. No, I agree a hundred percent. And that's the gym changes constantly like i mean even since we started the

the one constant about the gym is change you know you're always gonna have new people like i don't know how many kids i've brought up from you know i see them through high school and then they go to college and they come back and then so it's always this this change but uh and people fall out of it like you can't expect everybody to fucking power lift until they're 45 50 stuff like that so people get in the sport and leave i mean i'm just a weird one and i'll do it i i long ago realized that i will be that dude that dies like in a squat bar with a squat ball in the back right and i even had to tell my wife that like i was miserable when i retired because i retired from like lifting for almost two years and she was the one that he like urged me to because of all the surgeries and and then finally she goes she's like you need to get back

on the platform because you're a dick yeah you you're not you're no fun anymore go you know yeah and it's just yeah and it's i don't mind i i don't if i die that way whatever that's how it happened yeah but i just love it and there's like for me i love the training i love meats and i don't do as many now i used to do a ton but now i do i pretty much keep myself to one a year yeah uh yeah because i'm just beat the fuck up and i'll do some island games and stuff for fun yep and uh things like that but i can relate to most of that yeah a lot of miles a lot of miles on the old body so uh phil we've got this game we play with everyone called overrated underrated and we got a special uh big phil set of topics here for you oh boy we'll fire them off

at you and it's just your job to decide if each one's overrated underrated but you can't ride the line you have to i have to pick one yeah you have to come up with a final answer here so and it's some pretty serious stuff oh boy as you can about imagine probably um so topic number one overrated or underrated gym dogs gym dogs yeah underrated very underrated i mean you can't have a fucking gym without a dog if you do close the fucker down so that's why i have four so i'm trying to yeah no yeah gotta have them so do you have like do you have because i've that comes from having seen you know uh you post on instagram that you that you've had dogs in there like do you they your dogs that are in the gym, or do the members have dogs that they bring? Oh, members can bring their dogs, too. Yeah.

Do you ever have problems with the dogs? Do they all get the vibe? Steve, he's my biggest, newest dog. He's like 223. He does not like little dogs, so he's tried to eat a few. Yeah. But other than than that we don't have problems i was always nervous about one wanting to like sneak underneath of a deadlift or something like that you know yeah and that's happened i had one of my dogs we were throwing highland games

and uh we were throwing way over bar and i don't know how she lived the 56 pound weight landed on her head and smashed her head between the weight in the ground and i was like oh my fucking dog is dead and she got up and fucking walked away but uh wow yeah other than that nah i mean and that's the same thing in the gym like we allow kids our rule is they're not my kids so you have to watch them but we've had numerous kids like walk under somebody squatting and get hit with the plates in the head and it's like watch your fucking kid dummy but we allow so all right yeah good stuff overrated or underrated guilds guilds yes oh underrated i wish there was more of them like if it was my world especially let's just narrow this down to the fitness industry. I wish there was an apprenticeship program for people that are coaching.

Because you just learn so much more. And you'd earn those stripes. And be able to do what I did. Most people don't have the balls to just live out of their truck and drive around the world to learn. And there's more to coaching than just passing your CPT test. You know, that's just baseline knowledge. From there, I wish there was a way to apprentice with people

and go into a guild-type situation and just, like with a union or whatever, you start as a journeyman and move your way up. that's that's kind of where the name war gem came from but uh i wish there was more like that and you could go under somebody's wing and actually learn from them and i think it would straighten this industry out quite a bit but i think that's good overrated or underrated rapid city south dakota oh fuck Rapid City, South Dakota. Oh, fuck. Oh, shit. I'll go with underrated just because it's there in the black. It's beautiful.

You guys got something going on there. I like that town. That and all the little ones around it. Yeah. Years ago, I went to Sturgis has toned itself down. I think the state did that, didn't they? I was going to ask if you had been to the sturgis rally before at all yeah didn't the state like come in and like tone that thing down make them i'm not really sure i think it's just a continuing effort to like commercialize it more right i think that's much of any of it it's more just

everyone trying to scrape as much money as they can out of it honestly that's kind of what i was going to say too i think that that's the bigger part than anything i mean because it used to be dirty yeah and so some of those businesses they they literally exist for one month of the year like yeah they're not open the other 11 months part of it is every Every doctor, lawyer, banker, and everyone else owns a Harley now too. Yeah. So like the clientele is – Not exactly counterculture. The Hells Angels and everyone else are still there, but there's just like a bigger variety almost of like people that show up

that bring their bikes there. But I think what you said is true about it being commercialized more and more. Oh more oh it has like when i was there uh it's been fucking 15 years ago whatever it was it was miss spearfish i think in one of the towns there and they have a competition the girl who won miss spearfish was on stage with a donkey doing things so that shit doesn't happen anymore and that was badass like who didn't want to see a donkey and yeah i mean but uh it's still underrated no it's a beautiful part of the country so it's definitely one of my favorites all right good stuff uh last one and last one's usually the most important one and worth all the

marvels so overrated or underrated the evil kenevil museum oh it's fucking overrated holy fuck it's moving it's fucking leaving here thank god yeah i have never been to it but uh i don't even know how the fuck it got here well you know what well you want to know how it got there yeah i jumped over a bus it's leaving the odd story a buddy of mine pretty much my brother from another mother just got done he there did they did an evil kenevil movie here recently do you know that or they're still shooting it or some shit anyways a buddy of mine that i've known my whole life he's pretty much my brother uh they gave him the evil kenevil's car and he had to get it back running

like a month ago so yeah, yeah, pretty badass. But yeah, it's fucking very overrated. I think it got there. It's not because he's from there or anything like that, but one of the original, there was a vehicle that was getting, it wasn't a bike, it was a truck or something like that that was getting restored and they sent it there and they

finished it and they just kept it there and then they just started getting more stuff. I don't really know. They just kept it there and then like they just started getting laziness really no they just started getting more stuff then yeah because i'm pretty sure like evil has no fucking ties no i don't think he does whatsoever no yeah and it's like it's in the basement of a harley davidson shop too right right so so you haven't been there you haven't been to it before though no i've driven past it numerous times. It's only about 15 minutes from my house,

but I've never ventured into that fucking shit hole. Maybe you should check it out before it goes. Before it leaves. If they let me in for free, I'd go do it. Holy shit. I learned something new about it. Another thing we have that you guys can tell me if this is overrated or underrated.

We have the world's largest payout for a demolition derby in the united states like how much is it how much like 65 grand oh wow yeah i had no fucking clue about this until i was at the lead fts compound like three months ago and i'm sitting there talking with dave and you know we were talking about topeka and some fucking random dude's like oh you we go there every fucking year with our three months ago and i'm sitting there talking with dave and you know we were talking about topeka and some fucking random dude's like oh you we go there every fucking year with our eight million dollar fucking derby car and i was like oh okay yeah so demolition derbies can be entertaining for a little while i've never actually been to oh before oh you gotta go it's

all right you know like there's a few around i wouldn't want to go week every weekend to a demolition derby but it's not terrible to experience it i'm just i don't think you know the thing about it is it's much more slow 90 of it there's not you know everyone's barely creeping around and stuff you know there's not uh not that much action a lot of times because things get so demolished that they you know it's like uh not that much action a lot of times because things get so demolished that they you know it's like spinning on two and a half wheels and you know yeah it's like it's like a power to me like it starts out really good with a squat yeah it starts out really good with a squat and then all of a sudden bench is there and it's boring it's everyone fell um

yeah so but uh yeah so that's what it's like man man. Good news. It looks like you passed overrated, underrated. Oh, good. Thank God. I would have had to retire from Iron Radio if I didn't. That means we will publish this episode now. Oh, okay. Really good news. Good stuff.

We really appreciate getting you on, Phil. It's been a long time coming, and I'm glad we're able to get to meet you in person. Yeah. And talk to you for a little bit. And then hoping, are you going to continue to do that event with Wendler in Kansas in the future, do you think? Yes, we are. We're just waiting for it. So the last one, we canceled in 2020.

And that was because of everything going on. We have to wait until, we're not going to run another one until the world's right. Right. Because we had so many people, we had a ton of people come from England and Canada. Right. And we can't open it until they can,

because we're not, basically we're not going to take that risk of canceling again. But yeah, it's definitely on the books. It's definitely on the books, but that's, you know, that's one place where it's not insane. know mostly everything is really far for us that is one particular thing that's reasonable actually doable yeah potentially doable for us

so you have to keep us posted on that too yeah no it's a good time too because then matt and everybody hate brain comes down because all their shit's here so it just makes sense so and we open it up and have bands out in the parking lot and jim cursing people out and uh yeah that's good it's good time so all right cool yeah we'll do it again i'll let you know for sure awesome well we uh we appreciate you coming on and um don't stop iron radio because if you do we're gonna start to reel you in right behind you oh man okay yep not a problem brother all right good stuff thanks phil thanks phil yep thank you catch you later all right see ya bye tommy what do you give him

got the cool beans both of them double cool beans double them up that was good yeah yeah topeka kansas how far is that for us, do you think? I don't know. Is it farther or less far than Kansas City? My brain wants to say farther. I think it's probably farther, too. Probably not a whole lot farther, though. No, it can't be too much.

Because what was Kansas City? Was that about eight hours? And in comparison, that feels like nothing, having just gone to Arnold and back. Eight hours is like, that's it? Yeah. Because that kind of felt like a pain in the ass driving down there what about the shaw classic how far would it take how far of a drive would that be where is it actually outside of denver i don't really know if you just said it was well denver's denver's 12 hours i believe which isn't also terrible yeah in you know and

that's like i believe that 12 hours is like stopping for gas and eating and everything too i don't think that's. Yeah. You know, cause rapid city is halfway. Right. Okay. You can get to rapid city. Yeah.

Right. Right. Easy. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I'm just, cause I was just wondering like if,

cause the shock classic seems to be growing and that's what another thing that's not terribly far, but I also don't know that Brian would ever have the type of event where other vendors are. Right. Cause he sells everything. Yeah. So like he,

it's just the Brian Shaw show, you know, it's just funnily named. Yeah. It is. It's like, come on in, buy a ticket,

buy some of my supplements, buy my apparel. Then we'll let you watch the show. Pay to come and sit in line with me. You know, like, uh, we don't need massonomics here.. We don't need Masonomics here.

You don't need to give them any money. I want it all. I don't need anyone else taking my piece of the pie. Right, right. All right. Well, that's cool beans. Something to think about. Yeah.

You know, keeping these dates on the calendar. Got to pencil them all in here. Got to keep everything penciled in. What was there? Something I wanted to revisit. We did have a mcdonald's story mcdonald's thing uh i think i wrote one other thing down just so we don't forget here okay we have mcdonald's that'd be the one mcdonald's you've been hyping this up for well over a month should i bring it bring it up now? I suppose. So really, I guess what I always wanted to talk about McDonald's is I'd been inside of a McDonald's for a very long time.

Well, I don't think anyone's really been in one hardly the last three years. But I hadn't even, like, prior to that, I probably hadn't been in one quite a while. I took my kids to one. This has been a few months ago now. Because I don't think the one right down the street from me is open. No, I don't think you can go in that one. You still can't go in that one.

So I don't actually know what that one looks like inside. But in my head, every McDonald's looked like, I guess, what they looked like to me. Even when I was in high school. When I was like 20, they still all looked... When I was 20, they still all looked like exactly what I was thinking that they looked like. So that was just 15 years ago they had the stage where they were kind of cartoony with the ronald mcdonald's and but like i just picture all those swivel chairs that were always like the hard porcelain

brown inside it yeah it was like brown tan like swiveling uh very rigid swiveling chairs and like that's just what i thought they all were still, I guess. I just, cause I hadn't been in one and I went in and I was like, wow, they really classed up the joint. I feel like it kind of looks like what you would think of as like a

modern coffee shop or something like that. Yeah. Like something like that is the old one, right? Right. Yeah. Like that. Yes,

absolutely. And I just thought that they still all looked like that. I mean, it mean it's it's weird for me to think in and the drawings of when they used to have the drawings of the guys on the windows and the like the hamburglar yes and the chairs that actually look like them grim like this that was not that long ago no i mean 15 we're looking at the ones where everything was very pastelly. What is Grimace? I don't know. He's the purple thing, right? What is that, though?

I don't know what that is. No idea. Just like a blobby purple thing? I'm kind of picturing. I can't exactly remember. Have you ever seen this picture of the 80s McDonald's party room? That's horrifying. That's what nightmares are made of.

That's like one of the trees off of Wizard of Oz, like the one of the trees off of wizard of oz like the talking uh yeah trees oh man looking at ball pit ball you know none of they don't those don't exist anymore yeah the play center any fast food places have like the play areas anymore i don't think so and man when i was a kid those things were awesome those were awesome why have those gone away just like because they're disgusting well it has to be yeah but they weren't not disgusting then yeah i think the world's standards for disgusting have changed a lot in the last i guess but like all of our parents everyone's parents let the like it wasn't even a thing at the time yeah oh dude i i remember being

a little kid well we didn't have mcdonald's basically those things those things still exist at like like what's the place we have in town um oh oh you're saying like like uh like anything that would be like a indoor recreation right for kids like those things kind of exist whether it's like a trampoline park or like uh yeah maybe it doesn't have to be a ball pit because a ball pit is the king grossest thing in the world yeah but you go to like the trampoline parks they have the foam pit yeah that's grosser and anything like those are foam that sucks into everything right anything that's like a big indoor playground it's like everything's not getting clean no no no so why did the indoor play area go away our mall still has one tanner i could you know

i take my kids there everyone's fine i mean, it's gross. Actually, it's pretty amazing how... Everything's broken. I mean, our mall is terrible. It's like... Going to that mall is going in back in time 20 to 25 years. Yeah, if you're talking about this to anyone in Aberdeen, it's like this isn't funny or anything noteworthy. It's been like...

It's depressing, actually. But for everyone else, it's actually pretty amazing if you went to our mall, how back in the actual 90s you are. Like, it is back in the 90s. And also, like, hasn't been cleaned since the 90s either. It's still got the food court with the play area that is straight from the 90s.

The decor is the same as like we're looking at. It's the same fake plants that have been there since I was five. We went there to eat at a restaurant this past weekend, and I told my brother, I'm like, it's so funny looking at these plants up high because you know those have been in this building since the day it was built in probably what 95 or something like that and it is the vibe throughout it is you can actually watch uh movies what is it like encino man and things like that when they're in malls in California in the early 90s. And that is what this place looks like. And it's now 2022.

Well, that place never changed. And I grew up going to that mall a lot. And as a kid, going with your parents and then going in high school. Because even when I was in high school, it was pretty happening. People literally went there. Oh, even when I moved to town,

it was still somewhat happening. We would go there to eat because it's like you're going to run into, like, you'd go to the food court there because you're going to see people at the mall. I mean, that's just kind of the case in malls in general. A lot of them, yeah. But this one in particular is bad, though. It also still does have an arcade room, like a very small one. Nothing works inside of it.

It has games from, like, the early 2000s in it. Like, it has, like, has like tech into like a really old cruising usa yeah it has like a cruising usa that would have been around like like an area 51 type shooting game that area 51 game was good yeah oh yeah they were fun but it is funny that all the games in there are also from like the year 2000 you know it was a really fun game um nba jams nba jam was good yeah yeah yeah that was that was like the first sports game that i actually got into as a kid it was a good game and then they had to come uh i'm not sure i'd say i haven't paid too much attention to it but they had one come out probably not super long ago well actually i think it was when i was in college so yeah kind of long

time ago but damn that was we got kind of back into it then too and i don't know if they've had anything else come out like what what are you saying what like there was an nba jam that came out okay 360 i think 360 had one yeah pretty sure that's what it was yeah and that was probably the last time i really played it okay um what was the old mcdonald's though oh yeah but mcdonald's yeah they have really classed up the joint. Yeah. It seems like way more upclass. There's a lot of stainless steel, like,

like black sleek finishes on things. Yeah. And materials like, you know, and I think the fine wood grains throughout. And obviously they've changed the menu. Yeah. Over time. And it is like a little classier than what it used to be too.

Don't you think? I mean, yeah, a little classier than what it used to be too don't you think i mean yeah a little bit like in comparison yeah i think it's more it's not like it's a white castle no right right right uh but i think that they're yeah i guess they just got to keep up with the times a little bit you know right gotta have those trendy chicken sandwiches the old go-to burgers and then whatever random things are getting switched up, but it's not cheap to eat there. No, it's basically sit down restaurant prices at this point.

Dude, you know what is hilarious? Maybe we've talked about this too. I remember when I was in high school, Hardee's had the $6 burger. Cause it was like, Oh yeah, it was so good.

It'd be like a $6 burger at a sit down restaurant. Now it's like $6 for a burger. You can't get that at a fast food restaurant. we know with you can't even get with everything going on our town you can't even go to a hardy's the hardy's is we'd be lucky to get a carl's junior the hardy's was taken you know we don't oh we talked about this too we don't have a perkins anymore do we right we lost perkins speaking of things in the 90s that have just like fizzled out yeah like i think perkins has fizzled out really i think so is perkins what nationwide everywhere or is it midwestern i don't know or is it definitely it's definitely very midwestern but i don't know they're probably everywhere i don't know what's the what is waffle uh waffle house

is it waffle house yeah is that less midwestern it must be because it's we don't we don't see them until we start to get east out to ohio right right right yeah and south i think they're a southern thing too aren't they like texas down there yeah like i assume there's not a waffle house in our state right i'm pretty sure there's not. Right, right. The 90s. The 90s. It was a wild time. It was a happening time.

With everything that was going on back then. Yeah. You know, internet, movies. Perkins, the mall. Perkins, malls. It was happening. Pauly Shore. Pauly Shore.

Had a lot going on then. Encino Man. You brought up Encino Man. Pauly Shore. That a lot going on then. Encino Man. Is that you brought up Encino Man in the army now? I've never seen that one. That's got Andy Dick in it too. I know. That's good. You should watch it. I should.

I've never seen that one. What about Son-in-Law? I've seen Son-in-Law 10 million times. It's good. Yeah, it's funny. It's a very funny movie. What's better, Son-in-Law or Encino Man? Encino Man has Brendan Fraser. Is that right? Yeah. And who's funny it's very funny what's better uh son-in-law or encino man encino man has uh brendan for yeah uh frasier is that right yeah and who else there's another

guy who's the other guy with uh paul shore uh i i i can picture his face and is it rudy it's rudy yes whatever his name is and he's also in lord of the rings. Isn't he? Yeah, isn't he? Samwise? Yeah, something like that. He's also in Stranger Things, isn't he? God, I can't think of that guy's name. So what's better than Encino Man? Or then there's also Biodome kind of fits in that same timeline too. What else is Pauly Shore's best? I always think it's Son-in-Law if you had to ask me.

Son-in-Law is pretty you had to ask me. Son-in-Law is pretty good. Sean Astin. Okay. I would not have guessed that ever, actually. Yeah, Pauly. Wasn't Sean Astin at Northern, or at our local college? Well, no. Didn't he come for the film festival?

We have the South Dakota Film Festival. I think he was. Didn't they say he was a dick? Maybe. I don't know i thought somebody wasn't somebody telling us about perhaps i don't remember i don't know yeah i'm looking at the poly shore lineup i'm pretty sure his best his best work was son-in-law the top three are for our top four for sure son-in-law biodome and seno man and in the army now yeah yeah 93 9 92 93 94 96 he was pretty hot was 96 96 was uh biodome yeah 92 and seno man 93 son-in-law 94 in the army i have seen paulie short do stand-up comedy really i went to it in watertown really yeah and uh did he wheeze the juice uh he started

at like after a while you could tell people just wanted to hear that shit yeah so he started like munching on the grind they started doing that whole thing and you know people were just losing their shit because he's doing poly shore stuff yeah but i do remember it's just being really funny um because it was probably it would have been in the fall and you know midwest in the fall isn't exactly like after the leaves are changing things are just dead looking yeah he's like oh your town's just so gray you guys could be on like extreme makeover town edition and i thought it was everyone in there i don't think most of the people really care for that yeah but i'm like oh i think it's hilarious. And everyone in there from Watertown was like, I don't think most of the people really care for that. There was crickets, yeah.

Yeah, but I'm like, oh, I think it's hilarious. Like, it's so true. The Midwest, after all the leaves fall off and everything, it's just like, yeah, this is a dead zone. Leaves in the Jews. I'm pretty sure, I know I have a picture here. I actually do have. But you got a picture of it.

I'll just go to like the very first pictures on my phone. If I have it, it's got to be one of them. So what year do you think it was? Uh, well I could drink alcohol and my brother could too. So, oh yeah. Yep.

My phone says 2011. So he's, Oh, of course in 2011 phone quality. Okay. Here. Yep. Oh,

that was right. That was Ryan's roommate at the time that he was like leaning on there so Pauly Shore is pretty short I guess too yeah he's a pretty little guy that's funny and then the next picture is us spraying aerosol cans at lighters

I think that was the same night safety first yep making the best of it do we need to hit him with a couple Yep. Yep. Just making the best of it. Yep. Do we need to hit them with a couple? Yeah, I think I got one here. I think I got one here for us.

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