Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 312: Dark Iron Gains

Episode Date: March 28, 2022

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! site everything massonomics welcome back everyone for episode 312 of the massonomics podcast a super special six-year anniversary episode of the massonomics podcast is that math right 52 times 6 equals 312 definitely check sounds good to me. Recorded live from Western, Northeast, South Dakota, just like the first 311 episodes. And my name is Tanner.

And my name is Tommy, number 58,738 on Open Powerlifting, top two of Massanomics podcast hosts. Is that the right number on Open Powerlifting? It is the right number. Did you just look? I had to check before today. You know, I gotta have a catchy catchy line to bring me in oh nice so just of the full list of everyone you were yeah i typed in my name and it was 58 738 yeah okay but top two massnomics podcast holes true true what was it sorted by dots yeah okay which that's also kind of a trip like dots i

don't quite have my head wrapped around what the gauge for dots should be me either i think you were 19 000 something tanner so considerably higher on the list that's pretty good i wouldn't have guessed that i would guess what did you say you were 58 yeah i was like maybe i'm 40 some thousand or something now wow i'm one of the top 20 000 power lifters of all time yep pretty incredible it's really impressive i got to assume uh either one of us going up well probably even more so me because i'm so much farther behind going up like 20 pounds in your total probably moves you up thousands of spots, like many thousands of spots.

Right. Yeah. Probably true for everyone until you get into like the top thousand even, you know? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. That's,

that's, that's good stuff. Yeah. So this is the six year anniversary for anyone that was keeping track at home, wondering if we were finally going to make it to the six-year anniversary. Here it is. We made it. So we made it to six.

Do you think we'll make it to seven? Yes. Do you think we'll make it to eight? Of course. Nine? Ten is absolutely. Twenty is the question, right? Yeah.

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sponsors here today now tommy what was some of the other stuff we were going to talk about oh boy a bit of a laundry list don't we we're kind of going to have to pick and choose we're on a weird week this is a very weird week we're actually going to be recording an episode tomorrow too and tomorrow during the day like we're going gonna be recording two episodes within what 16 hours of each other right which will be a first for us that'll really put our banter to the test it is gonna put the banter so we have a list of banter items here we're gonna have to be selective so we don't use them all first one not even on the list what about this daylight savings time what do you think of that are you are you pro daylight savings time well i always get mixed up when people say

like what is the regular thing what is the honor off daylight savings time right now i can never keep that straight in my head um i think a lot of people have an opinion but nobody knows the answer for sure i think they're oh did you just describe everything that's happening in the world right now everyone thinks they know everyone has nobody really really know i guess i i don't mind it being dark in the morning if it means i actually get to see light at night i mean it's already for us it's already dark in the morning like at its worst you don't see the daylight in the morning anyways so you're saying what we're on right now is good i like this i like being able to get home from work and see some light yes this is better i think it's much better i i do feel for the people that work outside and

you got to spend your first i think i thought i saw a chart that said where we live there would be spots or there would be times in the winter where we want to have daylight until like what 9 30 or 10 ish yeah yeah which is pretty late if they kept it on this if they kept it on this yeah that's pretty late but yeah also being dark at 5 p.m sucks too so oh it's like almost dark before 5 p.m even right so i think i would but there is talk sometimes of like switching like yeah isn't there like some bills out there of people proposing that that does all i remember is the schoolhouse rock i'm just a bill you know i kind of think about that once in a while how's that little bill from the schoolhouse rock doing are you pro schoolhouse rock or oh wow i haven't watched it in so long i'm not really

sure how it holds up i i'm thinking for the most part they probably had their head in the right spots on those things that's got to be the um is that the, that's the most popular schoolhouse rock, I think. Right. I mean, that's not the only one, but like I couldn't name another one. Yeah.

I'm struggling. I feel like I do know some other ones and can't think of any other ones off the top of my head. Maybe if I saw them, it would come back to me. But the bill one is the only one I remember at all. Yeah. And why that one? I don't know about a bill.

The process of a bill becoming a law. Why would that be? Just every teacher was like, oh, this is so boring to explain. Like, we'll? I don't know. About the process of a bill becoming a law? Why would that be the one that's... Was it just every teacher was like, oh, this is so boring to explain. Like, we'll just go to the video? Yeah. But I don't even know if I remember watching it in school even. I don't know.

Everyone just knows that one for some reason. Everyone just knows it. Everyone just knows it. But so daylight savings time, or what we're on right now is all right. I like spring ahead. I think there's... is it in Arizona? They just don't do it.

Yeah, is it the whole state or just part of the state? I think it's most of the state. Arizona doesn't and is it Hawaii doesn't either? And I think there's maybe a couple other like small areas that don't, but I could live with this. Okay. Well, that was my, um, not specifically weather,

not specifically agricultural, but not completely, uh, you know, away from those things either. Yes. It's all connected. Yeah. It's all intertwined.

We've, uh, we've had some March madness going on here. Oh, it's been pure madness. Is your bracket busted? I did not even fit. I've kind of been on a thing

of not filling out brackets just really i just try not to participate in things with people like that so okay make it a real strong stand of like not getting not getting involved in like my work things well oh the one i have is with uh my father-in-law and my wife and her sister so there's uh four of us in it so it's a very very intense bracket pool that i'm in but um i don't even know where i'm at in the standings right now i have been watched following march a lot i've watched a lot of the games but uh like to me saying i don't have a bracket doesn't mean i'm not interested i'm still there me and my son have been catching all the games that we possibly can basically so um So I just don't actually have a bracket.

I'm loving watching the 15 seed out of New Jersey. What's the St. something? The Peacocks, right? Yeah, I can't remember. But I watched that last. Was it Providence? Is that what they are? No, because that's another. I think Providence was also in there.

Or is that who played SDSU? Is that why I get messed up here? Yeah. Yeah, I can't think of their names. That's how close i paid attention to it but i know what you're talking about yeah sdsu got bounced in the first round they did although usd my alma mater i was gonna say that was where i was gonna go with this is so now we're done with the men's side the women's side i'm a graduate of uh go go yotes. Anyways, I'm to be fair. I am not a Jackrabbits fan. I always choose to root for the coyotes.

So they're kind of kicking ass. They beat number two. They won their, their first, their 10 seed, the USD women. They beat whatever. What's the 10 seed play? The seven, the first round. And then they played number two, Baylor. Yeah, Baylor. They beat Baylor by like 10, 15 points.

I don't know if they were ever not in the lead that entire game. Right. But now they play another high seed. I can't remember how that bracket works. And then if they win the Sweet 16 round, odds are they would play number one seed, Louisville, which I don't really know that much about women's uh a lot of

times oh in the manner of the women especially like the one seeds are like right really good right where it's like uh yeah so but they are kind of kicking butt so that's cool yeah uh that was probably the most of a women's game I've watched maybe ever but I was entertained. South Dakota making things happen. I'm just trying to find the name of that and I can't talk and look at names at the same time so I can't

find whoever we were talking about there. I can't scratch my head and rub my belly at the same time or what is the thing you like pat your head? Yeah you do that. Pat your head and circle your belly at the same time or what is the thing you like uh pat your head yeah you do the yeah pat your head and circle your belly at the same time can you do that easy if you really think about it long enough you can get it down a little bit i think i would struggle doing it the other it's trickier for me to do my left hand on top of my head pat your head with my

left hand and rub my belly oh no that's my or wait i or wait, I want to, I want to pat my head with my, Oh no, I'm the opposite. Yeah. Like that's not, I can tell my, I can, I can have my right head and batting my head and spinning on my belly.

No problem. But I flip it around and all of a sudden that left hand wants to spin. It's not easy for me. Someone in the discord said we pay money to watch them do this. Yes, yes, you did. But I guarantee a lot of people that just listened to watch them do this. Yes. Yes, you did. But I guarantee a lot of people that just listened to this are doing that

right now. No, there's definitely people driving in their car and their knees are holding the wheel. And while their knees are holding the wheel, they're patting their head and rubbing their bellies or trying to, or trying desperately to do that, pulling over their car just so they can get in on that action.

Yeah. A real, a real test of intelligence there. Taren, you recently went to an NBA game. Yeah, I just got back from there this weekend on Saturday night. We took in the Timberwolves versus the Milwaukee Bucks. Milwaukee. Milwaukee. Yeah.

The Bucks from Milwaukee. It was closer for the Bucks team to the game than it was for me, actually. We're way out on the Great Plains here. It was about a half an hour farther drive. I assume they flew in anyways. Probably. For most of their fans, it was a closer drive than it was for me to the game. It was a sellout crowd.

The Timberwolves are making a bit of a go at it this year. They're almost perennially awful since like kg did i see this is the second time since i think it said 2006 that they have a winning season yeah and what i mean it's almost 20 years yeah right you get two winning seasons in 20 years right they were pretty sick for a while there with kevin garnett uh latrell spreewell sam cassell yeah uh can't remember who else was all on those teams but they had some sick teams Kevin Garnett was arguably one of the best players in the NFL or in the NBA for a while there

and it's been very downhill since then but they kind of got a team then my son's super into basketball and this is the first NBA game you've gone to like in a very long time the last one I went to was a Timberwolves game when LeBron was in the it was the Heetles

LeBron D-Wade chris bosh it was like 2011 yeah yeah everyone there it's been 10 years at least uh but so it was really cool it was a sellout crowd and we got there super early just to take it all in take it all in try to get our monies my money's worth basically i'm spending this much on this trip we're going to uh uh you know just just get taken the whole get as much out of it the probably the most noteworthy thing though the funniest thing was uh we were standing there right above one of the walk-in and out tunnels just on the top of it this was at least an hour before the game and i looked down out of the corner of my eye and i'm like that guy that just walked by i'm pretty sure that that was alex rodriguez i'm like that's so weird why drafted by the rules why would alex rodriguez be here but he's very unmistakable you know i'm like he's you know hard to confuse someone with him and um

and i grabbed my phone quick because i'm like am i remembering right or am i just making this up in my head right now that alex rodriguez bought part of the timber rolls because that would be the that would explain what's going on here and i googled it real quick and it's like yep he was he bought part of the t-walls recently i had no idea yeah i'm like oh that actually was alex rodriguez then and you know that uh he walked back out and we yelled at him and stuff. And, but he was the most noteworthy. That really caught me off guard at the time. It's not like the Lakers game where it's like, oh, who's in the crowd?

Right, right. You know, when in Minneapolis, it's not often that you see like a lot of stars like that on the sidelines. And it was kind of cool. Does the NBA entertainment wise put on a good product? It was. It was awesome. Outside of even just the game, there's other wise put on a good product it was it was awesome i mean outside of even just the game there's other excitement going on yeah there was it was you know they do a great job of in between getting getting things going on and some of the what like dangerous

ass stuff that goes on there the wild the axe and like those people that jump on the trampolines this is like a circus yeah i mean it honestly was like a circus show and um yeah it's really good there's a lot going on at one of those games and but me and my son are both big basketball fans so we're gonna be entertained anyways but it was cool it was worth it yeah yeah i gotta it's been probably i was when you said you were going i was thinking probably five years since i went to one and they were not good then it was not a we went on bobblehead night though i think i got i think i have a ricky rubio bobblehead also tickets for nba games used to be like 40 bucks oh you know like really cheap there was i remember one year

we went it was uh and this was when they sucked really bad so if i do anything they could but included in the ticket price was all you could eat concessions just because i'm sure they're trying to sell stuff you know right but i don't think we paid more than like 60 dollars for those and it's not like that anymore i would say um but uh made me think what i'm gonna probably go to at least one or i'm not at least i'm going to go to one nfl game this year too just because it's been maybe like five years since i've been to an nfl game yeah like i don't know if i'm for sure gonna go to minneapolis gonna wait and see the thing about them is they do have an awesome venue like that is awesome it is awesome have you been in there yet yeah i went i've i went to must have been like the first or second year that it you know

okay i couldn't remember if we talked about it or not yeah yeah yeah it is a really cool place but after you have gone well that's why i'm like i kind of made me think we'd maybe go to uh my uh denver just because i haven't been to a game there canada city's not far away either yeah how do you even can you even get tickets to go to chief's game that's probably not easy right so that's sports sports man we are um let's do some fizzy bubbly oh alright this isn't a

what's in the can I think we've had this one you don't have to twist my arm for fizzy bubbly did you see repeatonomics

this week posting a lot of the original origin stories of episode 124 where I brought a LaCroix repeatonomics

is in the discord right now we can verify that that is in fact repeatonomics to the best of our knowledge. Um,

and also to the best of our knowledge, we have maybe a possible hint of who it is, you know, of who repeatonomics is. And yeah, it turns out it's someone we don't know. Yeah. The discord was a little concerned about that earlier they were maybe they're the mole we actually you know speak speaking of mole talk so we have this uh

mole embedded in our supporting membership uh discord crew that nobody knows the identity of and we just can't reveal too much yet and specifically we can't reveal who the mole is but we were talking about our plans for like and we will say we we do have the date picked up for the reveal of the mole and we're very excited for it yeah i'll just say we've got some things planned around it it's happening within the next 365 days the mole will be revealed it will be within the next six years of us podcasting it's gonna be cool though i'm very excited for it maybe we'll put the mole on a billboard like that will be the reveal just put them on putting a giant that's all it was i just talked about how there's a mole and just put them on a billboard and that was it um so that'll be soon yeah so

stay tuned i've got it for the reveal we've got i've got a special little game for our six-year uh podcasting but i wonder if we should save that should we do that now or let's save that for next episode yeah because we also have a sack to talk about here yeah and and we need to talk about the boxing we do more sports okay we thought we were done with sports and we're right back in it we're just getting started on sports right back in it so the thor eddie fight was this weekend which how many years has this been hyped up now i mean i would say two give or take you know maybe it hasn't been a full tier two but uh way too long yeah for however long it was way too long um and it's really easy to talk about boxing when you know nothing about it

so we'll get that out of the way right yeah yeah but full disclosure we do not know anything about boxing but just like how lower level sports aren't as exciting to watch as the high level sports. People that don't box, I don't care how good they are at other stuff. It's still not exciting to watch, right? I think that that's kind of true. Especially Eddie Hall. Like his boxing was non-existent.

So did you watch? I tried to catch some of it on my phone. And then it started to get a little, I watched like the first three rounds. Okay. And then it started to get kind of weird. We the first three rounds okay and then it started to get kind of weird we were live stream yeah we were on the road so i'd probably just you know cell service and western south dakota's so then it started chopping ahead and then i'd see eddie get punched in the head and i saw thor fall down once and then all of a sudden it's like the end and that was it but uh man watching those first three rounds was it was just eddie kind of standing

there ready to make a really big swing thor kind of looked like a boxer i mean they both look way too big to be boxers right right right um but you do realize after seeing guys that look so unnatural boxing uh how talented guys that actually go in the ring how easy they do make it look right um i didn't get to watch the i was at the game in oh yeah it was actually so um i wasn't gonna carry around my phone to watch this you know this when i had people actually doing a sport that they that was the right you know uh but i did you know catch a number of highlights and stuff and i'm like yeah just physically like the appearance and somewhat of what I saw of them moving. Thor looked a lot...

Thor looked like he's been spending the last two years trying to be a boxer. I mean, it's just that he hasn't spent the last 20 years. Well, and that also shows that even... I would assume he was devoting quite a bit of time to this over the past two years. And even then, still doesn't look like... You can put two years of a lot of time and

effort into it and still not look very natural. From what I saw looking at it, that was what I thought. I'm like, oh, he's definitely been trying to be able to do this. Thank God they have. It did get pushed out back farther. Imagine if they would have done this like six months ago.

Or whatever that day was. Oh, I would think that would have looked even worse. Eddie probably would have looked the same, but Thor's boxing probably would have looked this like a year ago or whatever that day was oh i would think that would have looked even worse i mean eddie probably looked the same but thor's boxing probably would have looked thor also just granted he's a much different body type he's six nine or whatever he is but he looked like he physically got prepared specifically for boxing a little bit better right like eddie still looked like very large yeah yeah right i know yeah i'm just how much money do you think was exchanged in this whole thing i thought they each got a million bucks really i don't know that's just what i've i actually have no that's surprising that there's actually enough interest there for that to pay out to them doesn't it yeah i don't know where that

money comes from like where it's uh like or was there just the live stream was free right yes that's where i don't understand i get their sponsors and stuff but really sponsors put a million dollars into this or this promotion or whoever i don't know i was curious to see if anybody said what they knew what they got but i don't know i heard that once that they each got a million bucks but that sounds like something someone would just say to you like oh they each got a million bucks yeah it just goes right back to the whole thing i think we've talked about this off and on over the past year or two is anytime there's these celebrity fights celebrity boxing things they're never to me that exciting no you know what i really like to watch strongman do strongman stuff yeah now if those two were doing a head-to-head

strongman competition now we like next year if like, all right, with these three events, and we're both training for it for a year. And I'm mad at you. You're mad at me. We're going to see who can. Oh, we have a problem with that deadlift record? Okay, we're both going to take it. Right.

Now that would. Maybe they're not going after the record, but all right, they'll decide on that day who's the strongman. That would be way more fun. That would be pretty entertaining. Do you think they're going to do a rematch i don't know i mean if they did get a million dollars and if someone's going to give it to them again yeah they're going to do a financial interest to definitely do it i think a lot of the crowd would be very checked out on a rematch after

they saw this first one yeah hmm yeah i don't know i kind of hope they don't do it anymore i'm curious what they're gonna do so like are they gonna like his thor now it's like he kind of has been learning how to box like it's like after that you're like well that's enough of that like i assume he's been training for that every single day for the last two years you know but he's does he really well yeah but there's still is there a future of tyson fury right on his list of things he wants to do well and like is that even like even remotely an expectation that could be you know that i don't think it doesn't seem like that's a real that could ever happen but like um i saw that what's that ford guy he's got all the tattoos

i think he is maybe he's like thor's height he's in movies and he's a bad guy oh yeah yeah yeah i i know who you're talking about um martin ford is that what it is it's martin ford i think pretty sure and you know i saw him say something about like oh they're gonna fight they could fight each other next i'm like suppose they could do that you know they could go through this whole thing and pipe up these two guys and they're both six nine you know they're both enormous so yeah it's just not that exciting still right no i agree um i haven't seen eddie say too much after it i did say like the one post or something i saw of eddie he did kind of you know he was wasn't didn't seem to be making all that many excuses or anything.

He did have to slip that one thing in there about how I just fighted the biggest guy on the planet. It's almost like, this guy's much bigger than me, so of course he should win. I'm at a disadvantage here. I thought he owned up to it better than what I would have guessed leading up to it, how they had their hype building and everything. But I'm sure they got paid something. So they're probably like, ah, fuck it, it's done.

Yep, got my money, go home. As long as we're talking about strong man, kind of. The thing I heard, it was actually Shaw, I heard him talking about this, how World's Strongest Man's coming up real soon. It's in like may it's in sacramento again this year is it may or i think it might be may or june i think i think that that's when it is and they still don't know the events oh like they don't release the events to them yet and i think i saw something about shaw being like um that's stupid give us the events so like it's like a

safety issue even at like with the amount the the weight that we're all moving around we need to know so we can specifically be training those things so that we're not getting injured because of it I just wondered what do you think of that you like? I feel like this is one you have a way different perspective on when you're a high-level competitor. Right. Because, yeah, as a high-level competitor, if I'm there competing, yeah, I want every advantage I can to prepare

on as close to that implement as I can. So I'm good. And, yeah, whether it's, I mean, safety is a big part of it. And obviously competitive advantage is a huge part of it. But as a spectator, it's kind of like, well, let's just throw these guys in the holes and see what happens. Isn't that what you kind of want? Yeah, especially kind of in strongman because it's almost somewhat the original point. Yeah, you want them to be kind of caught off guard.

Isn't that kind of boring when they know for the most part exactly what weights they're going to be doing and on what style of bar what type of implement and they get to practice it exactly doesn't it take a little bit of the the wild card factor out of it and if nobody gets to know then isn't you know isn't it the the playing field still even because nobody gets to it feels like you could make that argument but does shaw have a point that it's actually well on safe well especially when he's old. He's older. When he gets hurt, there's a 50% chance he'll get hurt. Realistically, if you take the last four years or four times,

there's a fair chance he's going to get some sort of at least moderate injury. Well, any of them, honestly. Yeah, right. Yeah, I totally get that athlete part of it of wanting to know are any of the other ones saying anything though that you've known of um not really i haven't really looked looked and listened i feel like that plays to the young man's game though of um i'm young and sprung right right like tom solman i can probably says tom's almost probably like don't tell me until the day he's like i'll do any of these events you know like whatever

and shaw's like i want to do that exact thing well you know yes because so many of them that has to be a big thing that's changed in strongman in the last 10 years right is how much these guys prepare right exactly just yeah like just the almost like the somewhat standardization of equipment right like they're almost building the things ahead of time and just practice so then they go there it's just like it's another day right where i don't know i don't know enough about the inner workings of world's strongest man but but part of you thinks that back in like let's just say the year 2000 were they getting these things six months ahead of time and then having access to like buildings implements i mean a lot of the people and it's also just the

evolution of the sport but a lot of the people, and it's also just the evolution of the sport, but a lot of the people competing didn't have any of the stuff. Like they weren't like weights and like made sure you had a strong grip and then showed up. Yeah. I could see where I think maybe a safe,

where I could see a safe compromise because I do think that is part of strong man is like sort of that element of surprise. I think what could be a cool thing of there's a possible pool of like, let's say there's, cause what do they do over the course of world's strongest man? Is it, is it three days or how?

Yeah. Well, because they have the qualified qualifiers, like that's probably two days. And then they get like, I don't know if they get a day break or don't get a day break. But let's just say if they do six, do they do like six-ish events, something like that? Well, in the heats, they would do like, you know, five or six or whatever.

And then in the finals, they would do another five. So maybe they do 10 events. So they do 10 events. All right, let's give them a pool of like, I don't know, 16-ish events. Like here's 16 events. You have a pretty good idea of probably what's going to happen for a lot of these. But also we might change this other one out.

I think that could be a fair compromise. Yeah. Well, I think they always end up changing a little bit anyways, just the nature of, like they're like, oh yeah, we actually, that thing doesn't weigh 700 pounds. It weighs 900 pounds. The tire weight was all on. Yeah, right.

Like, yeah, we're not flipping it four times. We're flipping it 12. I did watch something. Eddie Hall has this almost like documentary style, three-part documentary thing out on his YouTube that he put out just prior to the fight. And it's about the 2017 World's Strongest Man competition. Yeah, you were saying that. Wheredie wins and thor you know he i mean we talked about this back at the time on the

podcast i remember you know thor was mad about um the viking press event you know they were called they called him for um jerking or double dipping or a you know second knee bend or whatever you want to call that and it's a pretty good little little youtube documentary thing about that that event and they showed some pretty interesting behind the scene stuff and we know colin bryce we've been kind of working on getting him on the podcast and he kind of runs world's strongest man at least parts of it and he was running the events and they're showing the um the like behind the stage area getting ready for this tire flip event and shaw and a couple of other guys were very adamant that six flips was not near enough like it wasn't for the weight of this tire it needed to be much more oh and they argue like i was just just surprised at the level

of input that the athletes were allowed to have over how the events before the, the events. And like, I'd be like, this would be at the NFL game. If like the super, they're like,

nah, you should be like, if you got one knee down, you can still throw a touchdown pass. And the, like the fundamental rules of how this is going to work. And like, it ended with Colin, like Laws was like,

oh, Colin, you got to make a decision here. And he just screamed. He was like, that's it. I already made the decision and like stormed away from them because like, you know, because like these other guys, like Shaw especially would not give up on trying to get him to change, you know, alter the event a little bit. And it was

just just that realization of like how these guys are getting to try to influence the event right before they do it yeah it seems like that would never happen right the more you know i guess yeah well but it's a it's a good watch i would recommend that yeah i gotta i gotta get that on the list right speaking of uh things that we're watching we had a new film in the oh well do we want to talk about that now tanner we're kind of oh wait no actually no we might save that one for tomorrow we better save that for teaser teaser but what i'm not going to tease you with is who this episode is brought to you by this episode is brought to you by swiss link in 1995, Maurice Big Mo Huffman founded Swiss Link. He had a partner based in Switzerland,

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They're not that bad. All right. Bye, Discord. Now should we get our guests on the line? Let's get our guests on the line. We do not know the name of this person. We don't. This would be a real wild card for us.

It'll be fun. Let's do it. It'll be a wild adventure. Hopefully. What up? Ah, is this the man behind Dark Iron Games? Yes, it is. Excellent.

You're on the mass comics podcast with Tanner and Tommy. What's up? Awesome, man. Yeah. One second. It sounds like you got a little dog going crazy out back there. Yeah, she was,

she was tripping out. What kind of dog? It's a toy schnauzer. She, she, she trips. She basically trips out. Like whenever I move anywhere that's

kind of in the same line as what tanner yeah i've got i've got a little kick me dog myself so nice yeah yeah she's always uh she's always tripping out anytime someone walks by the house so you uh you run the uh account dark iron games so do you reveal your name like is your name a secret or is it public knowledge? It's not really a secret, but it's also not really public. I don't really... I mean, a few people I guess figured it out, but I kind of

keep it low-key. So should we just call you Mr. Dark Iron Gains or should we go by a different name for this one? People usually... So they shorten it to Iron Gains. So usually people will call me Iron Gains. by a different name for this one people usually so they they shorten it to iron gains so usually people call me iron gates all right that's what we'll call you or you can you can you can also call me q okay okay q okay so that's a little that's almost james bondy yeah yeah so i sometimes

i might prefer to call you by your full name dark Dark Iron Gains. Keep it official. Oh, yeah, that's a good one, too. People call me that, too. Okay. Just call me whatever you want. Okay. All right, perfect. Well, we are excited to get you on. We've had a few people.

We've done a few of these with people that run accounts. Right, right, where we don't know their names going into it. I don't know if you're familiar with our podcast or not, but we, a lot of times we have lifters on and some things like that, but we have done this before where we have people that just run accounts that we really don't know who they are. And it makes for some pretty interesting interviews sometimes. So we're excited for it. Yeah, man, I, uh, I've actually, I did hear about your guys's, uh, podcast. I've known about it for a while. Uh, I did hear about your guys' podcast.

I've known about it for a while. One of my lifting buddies, actually, a dude I used to lift with a lot, he showed me your page. He would always tag my personal account on y'all's stuff. And so it just so happened that one day I followed y'all from my Dark Iron page, and then you guys followed back, and I was like, oh, snap. The worlds are starting to collide and it's funny this is what it's like

when worlds collide yeah yeah power man 5000 for real uh but my homie like doesn't even know like I haven't told anybody that I'm doing y'all's podcast so he's probably gonna trip out awesome yeah I like that I like that so okay so normally when we interview someone, they're usually well known enough, or if they're not, you can just Google and find out things about them so we don't have to get any backstory. Do you want to go into any backstory on who you are at all? Or do we just want to talk about it? Yeah, I'm cool with that. So like where, I mean, where are you in?

I'm assuming you're in America, right? I'm in Croatia. I'm just kidding. No, yeah. Yeah, I'm in America. Have you been lifting a long time? Actually, yeah, I've been lifting for actually probably too long for how little strength I have uh haven't we all yeah yeah

i started lifting when i was like like seriously lifting i started uh probably in 2011 or so uh and i've been basically lifting ever since and what what's like what would you categorize the training that you do you know what style of training are you into? So when I first started, I was really into bodybuilding. That was coming off of the Jay Cutler, Ronnie Coleman rivalries, and then leading into the Kai Greene, Phil Heath era of stuff. So I was really into more high-volume training, and I would watch like all

those like bodybuilding like old school youtube bodybuilding videos you know where they'd have like like like uh like new metal and like stuff like that like creed and like just screaming and so i would uh i would watch a lot of that and so i just focused my training on a lot of high volume stuff and i did that for for, for a really long time for like, maybe like six or seven years. And, uh, volume was good, but you know, I wasn't where I made my mistake was I wasn't focusing on any compounds. And so, uh, once I started really focusing on compounds, I actually started seeing, uh, the results I wanted to see. Right. So, so I, I guess now, now i take more of like uh i'm still really into bodybuilding but i think with my training i take more of a power lifting approach

that makes sense that makes sense um and i think like you know that power lifting stuff had you know over the like say the last 10 years we're talking about training that became much more mainstream oh even in 2011 if you said you're doing powerlifting stuff most people wouldn't actually know what you were talking about right right where that's much yeah yeah they would 2011 they would just think like i was like a fat guy trying to lift heavy if i said i was right but now you have guys that are just like stacked you know what i mean like who just like like kill it uh you know i mean I mean, even back in the day you had a, what's his name?

Uh, uh, Puginowski or whatever. Yeah, dude, he was, he was like a freaking monster, you know,

like I would, I would watch him like unwrapped 600 pounds. And what I loved is like, you didn't know if he was going to like, Oh, HP it or squat it. You know what I mean? So it was like,

and, and he was like ripped, but for the most part, the ideas back then were like, yeah, it's just like a super fat, obese guy, like, you know, bench pressing like 800 pounds or whatever. And then like Stan Efferding and Johnny Jackson had like world's strongest bodybuilder.

And they started to kind of bridge that gap a little bit, I think, too, where it's like, oh, no, these people look, you know, have a crazy physique and are very strong, you know, and can squat 900 pounds or whatever it is. Yeah. Yeah. Stan Efferding, uh, for especially, he was one of the first dudes who,

uh, cause you know, I was in a power bodybuilding. And so whenever Stan Efferding, like I started hearing about him, I started hearing more about the crossover that he had with, uh, powerlifting.

Yeah. So, so obviously you have this training background. You bet you're been doing it yourself. And like, so if someone's listening and I guess they've never seen dark iron gains on instagram like how would how do you describe how would you describe it to someone what that is because because we we had this conversation before we even did this is we laugh when we have to try to describe massonomics and massonomics

isn't that abstract of a thing. Yeah. I'm, I really want to hear what your summary of dark. Well, so when, when you found my page, what did y'all think when you found it? I found it because, uh,

my brother tagged me in a few things. And first he tagged, it was like, there was several things he's mentioned. He, uh, and we'll get into this too. We'll get into this more,

but the music selection uh was amazing and then how it was just all these ridiculous uh just like early 2000s like late 90s bodybuilders and then just like this all of this uh just the captions how they were like so like didn't make any sense at all um so and so that was my brother kept taking me in it like oh man you got to check this out and so that's how i got into it and then i think i started maybe putting you onto it more yeah yeah and like that was the you know my initial reaction of it or even some of my residual reaction now is like it make they all you know most of the posts actually will make me laugh out loud and a lot of it it's like

i don't even understand i don't i so don't understand it that that's why it's funny to me i'm like i'm not sure what this is based in and i can't the reason like the reason it's so funny to me is that i can't put my finger on almost any of it yeah yeah yeah well that's it's the abstract the absurdity of the abstract that makes that you know you just don't know how to react so your body just like automatically laughs right it makes you uncomfortable it's like a bad date you know yeah kind of yes i mean so is that is that how you would describe it then? Did, did we do an adequate job describing it? Yeah, yeah. That was a pretty adequate job. I'd say, uh, I'd say it like basically leans more towards, I guess the like esoteric, uh, side of humor. It's not really like, I don't know. It's just, uh, it's almost like you have to follow the pages lore to really get what I'm talking about. Like you have, like you have to really be in on the joke. Otherwise you're not

going to get the post. But I guess, uh, I guess it like, it has some sort of effect on people because you know, I'm getting new followers all the time and, and you know, they don't really, they have, of course they haven't been following my page since the conception of it. So when did, when, when did you start the page? Like the conception of it. They're probably just as lost as anyone else. So when did you start the page? How long has it actually been going? Because I see you have like 2,000 posts. You've been doing this a little while, obviously.

Yeah, so I started it, honestly, I started it way back in 2016. And was it like this from day one? No, no. It was like, it was kind of like I was just finding shit off of Fit, which is like a board off of 4chan. And so I would just repost the shit off of 4chan that I found that was pertaining to like fitness. And then eventually, you know, I kind of just fell off just because, you know, life stuff,

just getting more involved with my career and moving forward and stuff like that so i kind of forgot about the page and then uh i'm trying to think what happened like why why i started picking it back up but anyways i started you know in like i guess it was like 2018 or so uh no it was like 2019 i started picking the page back up and i was like you know i guess uh now from picking the page back up i I was like you know I guess uh now from picking the page back up I thought you know I'm just gonna go ahead and try and make it a point to at least post something every day uh and I'm gonna I'm gonna just do full uh original content just because

a lot of the content that I wanted to see uh was really hard to find so I was like well I'll just make it and uh and so i was like yeah if it's i would also say that if that's the content you were hoping someone would have you have a very specific taste that yeah yeah so i'm not surprised no one was making it yeah yeah so and the way i looked at it was like you know if uh if i think you know it's a shit post, then at least someone out there will probably think it's funny. So I went ahead and just would post whatever. And eventually I kind of caught on to a little bit of a formula. And I've been doing it ever since.

So, I mean, you have like over 100,000 followers on there now, I think. Like, was there any ever certain enormous jumps that spawned from something? Or has it just been a steady build over time? It's been a pretty steady trip. I'd say in 2020, I was getting way more followers than usual. And I think that's because the whole, you uh uh virus ordeal yeah with everything that's going on now yeah more people were at home and more people were just kind of like chilling not doing anything just online so i think that's where a lot of followers came in uh in 2020

after that uh it's it's still been pretty steady i mean i'm still getting decent amount but it's it's nothing like it was. Yeah. That makes sense. Honestly, after I hit 10k followers, it kind of really blew up. Oh,

we're good? We're just double-checking something on our board. Yeah, the thing turned red, but I think it's saying three hours left, not three minutes, because a minute has gone by. So so we only we can only keep continue this conversation for three more hours all right let's get it in yeah um so you mentioned you know you having your other career a career outside of this like have you you've got a ton of followers a huge following a lot of people that are super into it a ton of engagement like have you found a way to like monetize dark iron gains do you care about that do you not care

about that like how do you look at that side of it yeah there's been a few a few things i've done uh i mean i don't care too much really about it uh you know i just care enough to to make t-shirts and you know stuff like that but and that's to make t-shirts and, you know, stuff like that. But, uh, and that's mostly just so like followers can have something to rep it, you know, uh, cause people are hyped on, on following the page or whatever, or, you know, whatever, they just want to buy a cool t-shirt. So I went ahead and just, I did, I do have some merch and I'm working on getting more, uh, actually I'm talking to a guy who's designing it right now but you know i wasn't too concerned uh with monetization at first uh but instagram offered me like freaking i don't know they offered me like this bonus where i was making like money posting reels really and no yeah yeah

it was pretty sweet man how did they how did they contact you they just randomly it sent like a notification uh and it said you're eligible for bonuses and i was like at first i thought it was a scam i was like did you think it was a federal agent coming to seize your property yeah i thought i thought it was the irs they're like we got a bonus for you yeah but uh i didn't even know that existed on instagram i didn't either yeah so i didn't either and uh you know i think it was like an exclusive thing for for creators i don't really know but but they offered it to me and i was making like you know a thousand bucks a month which is pretty sweet like extra cash well for

something you're doing anyways yeah exactly like might as well take it so i did it and then uh i guess they just started thinking my my stuff was like or something. Did they say something to that effect? Did they tell you, yeah, this doesn't fit our something? Yeah, you'd get a notification. It's similar to YouTube, but instead of getting a little red cash sign or whatever, you would just get a notification saying that this isn't eligible for monetization. And they started doing that more and more.

And then eventually they just totally took away my eligibility. So I'm still posting. Did you guys look at any of my content before you asked? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, man, I'm surprised I got away with it as long as I did.

So, but yeah. So other than that, you know, I mean, I have like a, I have like a band that I do. That's kind of lifter center, but a lot of my followers listen to that 10 scoops other than that, you know, I mean, I have like a band that I do that's kind of lifter center that a lot of my followers listen to. Is that 10 Scoops?

Yeah, yeah, that's 10 Scoops. Okay, so this was, I checked out for like a minute there just because of this. We had this red dot going on. I didn't know it was happening. So, okay, yeah, I want to talk about the music side of things. So the first 10 Scoops, yeah, explain what that is. Yeah, so 10 Scoops is just like a band i do and uh originally we wrote a demo just like just for fun like we legit just showed up to uh my homie's house and we just like wrote the songs on the spot and recorded them same day and put them up on spotify and uh people really vibed

with them and i was like damn like you know maybe i should actually put some up on Spotify and, uh, people really vibed with them. And I was like, damn, like, you know, maybe I should actually put some effort into this. And so, uh, we're working on a new demo now where we're, we've actually, you know, taken some time to write the songs and everything like that. So that's, that's been pretty cool. You know, on Spotify, I've been getting some cash from that, uh, just doing like, you know, the independent releases or whatever. Uh, so hopefully that continues to grow. What know the independent releases or whatever uh so hopefully that continues to grow what's the what's the vibe of like what is what's the music that you guys put out it's mostly like uh i guess you would consider it like like death metal-ish sort of and so it's

like it's like it's like godsmack i'm just kidding no it's more like it's more like uh it's it's like a i don't even it's kidding. It's more like a heavy sort of band, I guess. Do you have a musical background? Or what role do you play in the band? I basically write the guitar and the lyrics and then a homie of mine

does drums. We also have another friend who's a Cathedral Sound. He's a producer that we know. I've known him for a real cathedral sound he's uh he's a producer that we know who uh i've known him for a while and so he's been producing the new demo and it's coming out pretty good so you obviously have some type of musical background then right like have you been in other bands or yeah i was in a you know back in the day like in high school and stuff i i was like real big into bands and stuff like that uh you know i kind of after high

school i saw i would go to like shows and stuff but i don't know it was never really like my scene you know i always kind of focused more on like trying to get my career going and so uh but i was involved you know kind of heavily for a while and so i do have a little bit of a background and uh playing in bands and stuff like that okay okay so so that's the 10 scoop side of things oh i have one one more thing on 10 scoops before we finish we have a lot of different segments on our podcast and i've always thought it would be cool if we had just because we have buttons on our soundboard where we can play little sound bites and for like a couple of the segments what we need is just like a little 5-10 second riff of like just something that's like

the intro for like the intro for like the intro for the segment like overrated underrated we're gonna play that with you later and like what we really need is like a little 10 scoops um oh yeah a little 10 scoops thing that we can play every week where it's like this little 10 you know like your guys a spin on like the overrated underrated intro so you think about that because then we could we'll have to talk about that yeah yeah all right maybe we'll maybe we'll work something out we'll get i'll listen to it and we'll put something together yes we got the soundboard here you know with all types of uh let's i gotta hit the button here we got you know we got our sounds on it just loaded ready to go here right we need them so then we got the little uh we got the 10 scoops you know

the little yeah we'll have those cute i like it yeah heck yeah yeah we're gonna have to we're gonna have to write something up for you yeah we'll work something out there okay so then um when i think of dark iron like the one of the first things that really stood out to me was the music and i think if i had to remember right the one my brother first tagged me and it was uh it was one of your crazy videos just whatever's going on. But why he tagged me was because you had a Crystal Castle song playing. And like, do you know, I mean, are you aware of all the songs you're putting in or is it random? No, I know.

Yeah, I pick every song. Okay, so do you just have very diverse musical tastes or like where does the selection come from? Yeah, I have a pretty, I'd say I have a pretty diverse musical taste. Uh, I mean, I've been listening to all sorts of stuff since I was like in high school. I've always been interested in just listening to, listening to like different bands. You know, I was really into like Daft Punk and stuff. And so I guess that's where my interest was like Crystal Castles and, uh, that sort of stuff comes from. Yeah.

So when, like, when did you graduate high school 2010 okay because i graduated in 2007 and i'm like a lot of these things kind of align with what i was listening to at the time yeah 007 dude yeah you're like three years ahead yeah so i assumed that we i was thinking we were probably roughly the same age but um so yeah like loving that music then i'm like there has to be there has to be a dark iron gains playlist on spotify and of course i go on and it was there and like that's been a lot of times in massonomics gym i show up and i get that thing going and like my workouts dude that's freaking sick man yeah dude like i go on and i see oh like not only do we go just looking more

towards the top of the list like all right so we got some 10 scoops in there and now that i finally understand what that is i can i can focus on that more and then it's like oh oh we have cliff martinez from uh what what um oh from only god forgives we have like that and then we jump to doja cat and then right after that we have justice like it's just all over the place and it's so awesome and i love it so uh yeah yeah and then death grips kanye west like oh yeah then you jump to american boy with a stellan kanye west like it yeah it's amazing yeah yeah i mean for the most part yeah like i said it's i got a pretty diverse taste i'll listen like anything uh but since you mentioned it dude so y'all's gym is like how big is it is it like like uh like uh like bigger than like uh like a corporate gym

size or what like yeah it's like four or five thousand square foot you know we've got you know four squat racks and three or four benches combo racks and you know we big dumbbell rack yeah i mean it's it's like i don't know it's hard to compare because it's an underground power lifting style. It's literally underground. It's in a basement with no windows and stuff like that. Is that in South Dakota? Western Northeast South Dakota is where

we're specifically located if that helps. I have a friend who makes trips kind of up there. Aberdeen is the name of the town that we live in. If you're ever in the area, make sure to let us know. And you, you gotta, we'll get, we'll hook you up with a discounted rate on a day pass. Yeah.

Awesome. I'm going to do, I'll send you guys a once 10 scoops is about to do another release. So I'm gonna try and get you guys a flag or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get sure. Yes.

Yeah. And like the, so like the thing for the gym too, is like, it's a, we have pretty much every, you know, we're more into the powerlifting side of things and strong man, but it's got basically every toy barbell,

everything that you could ever want to exist down there. So it's nice. Yeah. You can get a good workout. You don't have shake weights. Ooh, we don't actually have a shake. We should have one just for a novelty.

Just the ones that squirt you on the face okay but going so going back so we got the music side cover how did just the the concept like the the recurring themes that i notice are something along the lines of like the irs unpaid taxes federal agents, and usually it's set to like a bodybuilder posing, like sped up. Like how did that whole like theme come to exist? I'm trying to think. I don't know. I mean, I've always really been into conspiracies.

You know, I'm really big into like watching just like, like I'll just watch like a YouTube video and kind of zone out. And it's just like, you know know like when i'm driving or something i'll listen like a conspiracy podcast and so that stuff's kind of like you know always in my head and uh so that's always like i always think it's kind of funny like just to think like oh what if you know this situation you know played out this way or whatever and so i'll just make a caption like that and uh and just have like a a jack dude you know like yeah involved in all of it i it's just because for me like i've always thought that like the like bodybuilding in general

was pretty memeable i thought it was just like kind of untapped potential this really shows that it's very memeable yeah yeah yeah yeah and i always thought like you know like to me it's always like i've always thought like they're more like i miss like like i miss the old school days when like the magazines would hype up the bodybuilders to be these certain kind of like characters almost yeah uh before social media and now it's like you already you know what the bodybuilder is like he's posting on social media you already know how he is like it's not mysterious anymore uh in fact to be a bodybuilder you almost have to be successful on social media now but uh that's a whole nother thing but uh so i've always kind of enjoyed the

idea that these bodybuilders are like kind of these characters uh like these obscure characters and so i kind of just insert them and i thought it'd be funny to like insert them in these like you know funny situations and i guess that's kind of where that came from uh the whole sped up thing yeah i think i started doing that it is funnier like it's the with it's not the same without the sped up honestly yeah honestly i i i would do it at first because i would try and make it match the music like i would try and make the bodybuilder kind of match the music a little bit but then it just eventually became you know it's it's funnier yeah it's almost like like benny like benny hill or whatever yeah yeah yeah like monty python yeah yeah it is yeah it's it

goes from like the moves being like these really like tough power moves where they're rolling it to like it just changes it's almost like this fast dance. It makes it seem less macho kind of in a way. It makes it way more funny. It's almost like they're dancing. We stumbled on gold with basically just speeding the bodybuilders up. You also do stick pretty

close to a certain era of bodybuilding. It is very much that Jay Cutler, Ronnie Coleman type era for the most part yeah and i think that's because that's when i really was like really involved with it you know i mean i i do i did get kind of hyped on like the whole aesthetic sort of stuff so i am like a fan of like these and yeah jeff side and all that stuff but for the part, I stick to my guns when it comes to like, you know, the, the late nineties, early two thousands. Yeah.

Bodybuilding. That was Dorian Yates. Yeah. And that was like the last time it really felt like it was like this mysterious thing. It was, yeah. You know, it was like, you really didn't get to know the bodybuilders that well. And they, they would come out with these DVDs and they'd be like, you know, like, like seven hour long DVDs. And it's just be like, you know, it'd be and they'd be like you know like like seven hour long

dvds and it's just be like you know it'd be it'd be their version of like a vlog basically you know but it'd be like a super long vlog and well you're to see like a peek in their life you're spot on with the magazines too prior to social media because you know i was a subscriber to flex and uh like muscle and development and a few of those. And it was like, we were excited about the next issue. To see what abs hat came out, and who's featured in their mass-gaining program. The bullshit programs that they said they're all doing,

and stuff like that. It is so much different than that now. Those magazines are almost useless, I would assume, now. Yeah, I mean, I don't even think there's many around now. I think there's's only like i don't how many i don't even think there's many around now i think like there's like muscle sports mag or i don't even know yeah like i don't i don't know any of them i guess flex magazine is still out okay yeah it is interesting yeah it's definitely changed a lot uh the the other the other thing that really adds to are

that probably catches someone off guard that's new to the page is the language that's used in the captions. Not only in your captions, but also in everyone that's leaving comments. They seem to be in on using the correct language and emojis as well. Like it's very, very, an emoji heavy. I would say caps heavy and emoji heavy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. just uh that's just how i talk normally yeah no so i got into the caps thing because uh you know i used to be a big fan of greg valentino and so when he would write his articles he'd type them in all caps and so i was like i'm just gonna do that you know and so i would write my captions in all caps and so i was like i'm just gonna do that you know and so i would write my captions in all caps and then the emojis i just thought you know throw them in there just because you know it helps get the point across greg valentino that's uh i don't know if you ever saw the man whose arms the man whose arms exploded okay that's what i thought but i wasn't sure the rambling freak he was on uh chris bell's documentary. Yeah.

Bigger, faster, stronger. Bigger, stronger, faster. Whichever that is. The ridiculous arms. It didn't even make sense. Yeah, that dude. That's what I thought. I feel like all the caps and emojis really add to that sense of paranoia that goes on throughout the post too.

It works pretty well. Yeah. It adds a sense of urgency yeah yeah uh so is there lifting or non-lifting either way meme accounts that you uh enjoy following yeah i i follow a good amount of both lifting and non-lifting. One of the ones I really like is there's one called Unironic Ziz Posting, and he posts some pretty funny stuff. His is just like real, I don't know. It's just kind of not very crazy, but it's just kind of funny to me. And then there's also limb biscuit fan i follow there's

like i think it's like limb biscuit fan 3000 or something okay uh and he just posts like about new metal and death metal and stuff like that so that one sounds good yeah that's good uh let me see if there's any other hard hitters that i gotta get on before we jump into overrated underrated um you've made like what we said like at least 2 000 posts before is there any one or a couple posts that stick out to you that you've made as your favorite ever like you're uh this is in the hall of fame yeah like a uh a short list of your Mount Rushmore or anything like that of posts or any one in particular. Man, I'm sure there is. I'm trying to think. Or even your favorite theme or anything like that

that you're just like every time you do it, you're like, ha, love it. I used to really like posting about steroids and stuff, but then Instagram started getting wise to it. So now I have to kind of dog whistle when it comes to anabolics. So what are the buzzwords? What are the things you can't do that you've picked up on that you can't do? So if I say like Trin, if I say anything about Trin, the post gets shadow cucked uh if i say anything about sometimes it even gets me for like windstroll and stuff like this like lesser known stuff so so are you saying in your caption or in

the post or either in the post it's like in the somehow it like registers in the post like like last time uh it got me because so there was a psa back in the day you guys have probably seen it with uh ben affleck where he like freaks out on his mom because he's doing steroids oh yeah oh yeah yeah for sure yeah so i used that as a meme and this this was maybe like a few months ago and it's it uh it said something about like trend or something like that like when your mom finds like the trend pistol or something like that yeah and uh and then like instagram got me for like trying to sell illegal substances oh and i was like i was like i'm not trying to sell like i don't know what the hell but uh so they banned it and then and then i got shadow banned for a few weeks

so uh and that that always happens i noticed that after that they kind of i think i don't know what happened but they just kind of got wise to what i was doing and i think that's also about the same time my monetization got taken away uh so maybe that core correlates somehow but so when it comes to that stuff you know i try to dog whistle more than be more up front uh but i don't know i'm trying to think man i really don't know what favorite subject i have i just like saying stupid stuff all the time I really don't know what favorite subject I have. I just like saying stupid stuff all the time. I love the tax evasion stuff.

That gets me. We were driving. We drove to the Arnold two or three weeks ago. And it's a very long drive for us. And at one point, I don't know, Dark Iron Gains came up as a subject. And I was just going through the posts, like some of your more recent ones and just reading them to tanner and there was a few that we were just laughing so hard like tanner hadn't even

seen the video yet and he was already laughing just because i know the theme you know i know the look you can almost picture like what's gonna be like there's somebody i remember it was where like dorian yates is out like smoking heaters or whatever like i don't really sorry you can't read yeah oh yeah yeah yeah it's uh marcus rules yeah yeah yeah there was one about like pinning in the bowling alley like in front of everyone yeah some of those ones are so are like the one like me taking one last look at my lawn before the federal agents arrive and seize all my assets. Yeah. I think the ones that have to do with conspiracies probably, I would say is my favorite ones.

Like, do you think everyone like, I mean, it's such a weird line to even say, get it. Like, I don't know. Get it makes sense because I don't know if there is getting it.

Like, like just for example, that one about like, yeah, me looking at my lawn before the federal agents, you know, sees it, sees it for not paying taxes for five years.

Like that has 71,000 views and like 15,000 likes. Like that's not a small amount of people, but it's a very specific joke. Yeah. I guess, you know, uh, it resonates with people.

I guess, uh, you know, there's something about government overreach that, uh, people just know, uh, it resonates with people. I guess, uh, you know, there's something about government overreach that, uh, people just automatically like, you know, uh,

disapprove of. So, so it works. Yeah. Yeah. That's Tommy. What do you think? Overrated?

I think so. Yeah. Okay. So we, we alluded it to, to it earlier. We've got the special game. We like to play with every guest overrated, think so yeah okay so we we alluded it to to it earlier we've got the special game we like to play with every guest overrated underrated and we just have a series of uh

hand-picked dark iron gains topics specifically for you and uh we'll fire them over to you and you have your druthers to answer and elaborate as much or as little as you would like to on each one but you do have to remember that you have to land either on a firm overrated or underrated. There is no riding the line. So if you are ready to play, we'll get going. All right, let's do it. Are the rules

clear? Somewhat. I think I can catch it as I go. Okay, all right. It's pretty simple. We just like to make a big deal about the rules. So overrated or underrated? Jay Cutler. Underrated.

Is he in your top three of all time? Yeah, I think so. Just because of his personality, I think he's hilarious. just because his personality i think he's an hilarious i think he's hilarious where do you stack him next to ronnie uh i think ronnie's better than him okay for sure i mean yeah i mean i mean honestly if ronnie wasn't competing when jay was competing though like jay would have just like totally been killing it who's your favorite bodybuilder to use in a meme jay cutler yeah is is he actually a funny guy i don't know much about jay cutler like outside of just him as a bodybuilder like is he a funny guy i don't know if he's actually funny but just like

yeah it's like his his personality and demeanor to. It's just like, you know, funny. His hair in the earlier part of his career was like that alone was humorous. Yeah. It was like the kid from The Incredibles. Yes. Okay. So overrated or underrated? Good answer. Overrated or underrated Daft Punk?

We actually had this on the list before you brought them up. Overrated. You Punk. We actually had this on the list before you brought them up. Overrated. You think so, huh? Just because the Tron soundtrack wasn't all that. You're bringing them down just off of their Tron work? Yeah, that brings them a couple pegs down. I feel like as a Daft Punk fan myself, I'm totally cool just overlooking those Tron.

What did they have? Like a Tron album and like a remix album or something? Yeah, it's like a Disney remix. Or it's a Disney album, isn't it? Yeah, because I think it was. Yeah, Tron was through Disney. But yeah, so overrated you're going with, huh? Oh, yeah.

Overrated. And then I'm trying to think what else that song with pharrell yeah get lucky yeah that wasn't really the greatest song i just don't like pharrell though so maybe he's overrated i i mean i could buy that argument for sure that pharrell like that song happy oh god i'm the opposite of happy yeah that one that one was overplayed 10 billion times like that was that was way overdone but y'all should just play that at the gym at your gym like on loop and see if anyone notices we one that uh gets on loop like it's like people pick up on these things it's funny to do like do this shit to people like um what's the rock rock is it

rock zombie or living dead girl or which one because at the gym we have like it's just you know you go up you go up put whatever you want in the stereo and plug it in but we have like uh five old ipods like ipod classic like with the wheel and then like three or four of those and then a couple ipod touches and there's one when you click on the rob zombie artist list there's only like three songs on the list and so it's all kind of the same song kind of do sound the same so a lot of times it's like it's like dragula living dead girl and like that never gonna stop one and someone someone will like before they leave put that put it on that playlist and leave and

it'll be like 40 it'll be like 40 minutes. Wait a second. I think we've heard these songs like 10 times now. Then you go look and yeah, it's been like three songs for like an hour. I'm pretty sure I deadlifted to Living Dead Girl and then like squatted and benched off to Living Dead Girl. I PR'd to Living Dead Girl.

Every lift I PR'd to it. You guys should play Down with the Sickness on me. Because some of those iPods are so old. There's actually a pretty amazing collection of new metal and that early 2000s just overplayed

metal on some of those iPods. We've done a few specific Down with the Sickness memes and I feel like there's one that we've done that you could really appreciate where it's um do you remember the chilies i want my baby back ribs commercials where like they're dancing in like all the cooks are all the cooks are dancing in the chilies and like they're like have enormous smiles on their faces and they're singing that i want my baby back song and we have that i think the caption is uh when down with the sickness comes on for the 10th time

at the gym and it's like it ends with this girl with this enormous shitting grin on her face like yeah that's actually pretty good yeah but yeah there's there are a few of those ipods that have a pretty heavy disturbed god smack acdc acdc limp biscuit um a lot of that uh early dude so you know that guy uh joey's that's what do you know what i'm talking about oh yeah we've had him on the podcast uh yeah yeah so he posted that mary yeah yeah yeah man i can't pronounce his name it's like polish or something it is complicated yeah yeah yeah but uh he posted the other day uh mistakes that new beginners yeah it was like listening the last thing was listening to nickelback yeah i was like dang that's literally me where where does we've we talk about nickelback many times here like where do they fit into you

uh dude i'm not gonna lie i legit like dig nickelback hey we're talking about our trip to the arm we haven't talked about this okay yeah we actually have not talked about this yeah so we i don't know i think what it started was i told it i was like i was me and my wife we were driving somewhere and uh what fuck some nickelback song came on and my wife was like oh it was i know it was this is how you remind me. And I told my wife, I'm like, you know what? This to me is like peak Nickelback right here. Like I get it. It's kind of just your average pop rock song, but I think his song came out when I was in like sixth grade and the song was pretty cool at the time. And I think it holds up. Okay.

When you look at it in that time period, but where they got into trouble is they did the same thing like 10,000 times. Yeah. And they had all of those ballads come out, like all of those like lame ballads that no one cares about. But so then we're talking about this and we're bringing up their discography on Spotify. Yeah.

And man, whether you liked them or not, they like ruled the radio for like 10 years. It is kind of insane. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah, they did. It's like crazy how many songs they had go big yeah i think uh what got me back into nickelback was the the spider-man soundtrack the song hero no my brother and i we always talk about how

that song was so funny especially the video because is it the guy from saliva is that who's in it with him yeah he's like he's like doing vocals with him yeah at some point it's just chad kroger and the saliva guy just just screaming like whoa where's all the screaming they're not even singing they're just screaming now um yeah my you know like their creed screen yeah yeah they are the so this is overrated underrated the segment we're in right now and like my like theory that i stick by on nickelback like if if if time is the x-axis and they're they're overrated underrated is up is the y if you picture it that way as time goes like starting off before they were hit largely famous they were probably a little underrated you know they were yet to be discovered to a certain point and you know there was a period of time there where they were appropriately rated i feel like where they

were becoming very popular and getting their play time they were cutting out with some really good songs and then uh you know towards the latter part of that career they become extremely overrated and then all this like nickelback hate well yeah it's like became the meme like it became the popular thing to hate on them because they were like nickelback apologists right now i'm not like but but like that went to such an extreme at this point in time i think that they're underrated because there is so much nickelback like anti-nickelback stuff out there i'm like when we sat and talked about it and we relive some of those songs i'm like i don't. That's kind of a fun song. You know, like, what's the one where it's like... I said Rockstar.

It's self-aware and it's funny. It's funny. I think it's funny. So I think because there's so much hate on them that they are underrated now. Yeah, I agree. Underrated. Highly underrated band. That wasn't even an underrated, overrated topic.

No, that was just a bonus. Okay. Next one. Overrated, underrated, Dan. That wasn't even an underrated, overrated topic. No, that was just a bonus. Okay, next one. Overrated, underrated, 5% nutrition. Underrated. So what are you, what, could you, if anyone isn't familiar, 5% nutrition? Anyone who isn't familiar, it's Rich pianos rich pianos brand uh five percent nutrition and sadly uh what i don't like about them is they continue to put him uh like they continue to use him for

ads and i mean he's been dead since like 2017 which is like yeah the arnold this thing was plastered all over his boot you know it was like oh like that's what we kind of talked about too it's kind of an odd spot that they're in where they still sort of treat him like the spokesman but like obviously that's not actually how it is yeah i mean it's like there's no other nutrition company that i can think of that like you know it's still using like a dead guy i mean maybe there is i don't know but it's like not not like five percent nutritionist but but what i think is underrated dude is their selfs are like their supplements are pretty legit like i don't know what they're putting in their creatine but every dude every time i freaking take i have their creatine right now and i i'm telling you every time i take their creatine like my binge goes up my squat goes up like so i don't know i mean maybe

i'm putting out a little secret that people shouldn't know about but maybe uh what's his name from redcon one knows what andrew sing from Redcon1 knows what they're doing. Andrew Singerman? Yeah, maybe Andrew Singerman helps with the formula. I was like, dang, I should have been buying some Redcon1 stuff, man. Like, damn it. I planned that all along. Yeah, I'm getting gyno from this freaking protein. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, every supplement i've had from there is it's pretty legit

but i don't think people really i don't think people realize it yeah oh the crazy thing is the the first arnold we ever went to was like what 2017 maybe yeah yeah yeah and you know when rich was there it was his the line for that thing was oh my god he was like out the door the star of the show like people could not get enough of him and then you know slowly through time like that's definitely got uh uh well the booth is pared down nothing like the booth used to be a hundred feet long now he had like hundreds if not a thousand people like waiting to take pictures with him um yeah but yeah that's not the case case. I saw a video of

them at an expo recently and it was like sad. Nobody was there and the people that were there were just randos who weren't there for 5%. They were just for some reason at the 5% booth. Free samples!

It was like a free sample thing or something. Oh, we heard the Dark Iron Gains guys have the best creatine yeah yeah this will probably get them a plug you know i used to i used to spam them all the time i used to spam five percent and be like hey sponsor me you know sponsor me yeah like when i first hit 10k uh i was like sponsor me you know like let me let me uh get some free stuff but then eventually they were like you're not qualified so i was like i was like okay but they let me do a uh you know like i mean they let anyone do this but it's like a little like you get a discount code so i have that yeah but what way are you not qualified what do they want i mean i'm like you're not in the business of making money like you know like i

mean you have a super large engaged audience so you know that doesn't necessarily make sense, but whatever. Yeah, I mean, whatever. Yeah, so last one here, and we usually save the best for last, so this one's worth all the marbles. Overrated, underrated income taxes. Overrated. They tax you on your income

and then they tax you again at the grocery store yeah yeah so it's like you know how many times you get a tax new bro i'm a pretty i i kind of get that we don't have i don't know no estate you live in we don't have a state uh income tax in south dakota which is cool um but i i i am not against use taxes use taxes always make a lot of sense to me you know like um like slightly less income tax and more like taxing on the things that you want to you know that you choose to purchase yeah i guess that does make more sense but i think the whole income tax thing is kind of like i don't know almost like highway robbery yeah it's wild especially it's like i get it like yeah okay taxes i think a state tax would make like a state tax would make more sense than an income tax

uh just because then you're paying for the society you live in like yeah state income rather than a federal income tax. Because it's going back into the state. Yeah, it's like, it's almost, yeah. So I don't know. Yeah. That's just, I'm no, I'm no like economic, whatever you want to call it, accountant, whatever.

Yeah, yeah. We just like that topic because you got a lot of funny about taxes and stuff. Yeah. I just want more money in my pocket. Yeah, no, absolutely. And if you do anything where you're making, you know, where you're not getting paid by an employer, but we talk about it as, you know, if you're an entrepreneur

or bringing in money, uh, it's really a different pill to swallow when you get all the money and then you have to get rid of it. Yeah. Then you have to give it back to them. And then you have to get rid of it. Yeah. Then you have to give it back to them. Yeah. I freaking, uh, so a little bit of money I made on,

uh, Instagram, uh, I did get taxed on it and I was like, it was like, I was like, why even pay me? Like if I'm going to like,

yeah, most of it's going back to taxes. Yup. Yup. It always hurts. It hurts leaving. Yeah. Yeah.

Yup. Oh, good news. Did he pass? Do you think it looks like he passed yeah you passed so you've got that nice cap heck yeah gonna wear it proud no this is that kind of usually brings us to the end but uh first we want to give you the opportunity to you know anything you want to get out there like where people find find you, all that stuff, any, any, um,

brands or anything like that. Uh, 10 scoops, all that stuff. Get, make sure to get it out there. Yeah. So I, I have a YouTube channel.

I post on it pretty frequently. Uh, it's nothing crazy. It's just me basically ranting and working out in my garage. Uh, if you search dark iron games on YouTube, it should come up. And then of course on Instagram,

uh, dark underscore iron underscore gains and then i have a backup which is just uh iron underscore gains underscore and uh that's also on instagram i don't have a twitter or anything like that but you i do have a tiktok yeah i do have a tiktok's Iron Gains on TikTok as well. So you should be able to find me there pretty easily. And then also, new 10 Scoops coming out pretty soon. Hopefully by the end of the month or even early April

if we can manage to get the last couple songs we need to get done. But yeah, so that's coming out pretty soon. So keep a lookout on Spotify for that. And basically, that's it. I'm so keep a look out on Spotify for that and basically that's it I'm excited about that you know doing a little 10 scoops collab where we can get

get a little overrated underrated music or something like that dude yeah well definitely I'll come I'm recording this weekend maybe we can have some maybe we'll have some time to throw that in yeah awesome be great all right no that's good stuff we appreciate having you on that was fun no problem man thanks for uh thanks for having me awesome

thanks a lot all right y'all have a good one cool beans with the double cool beans there didn't you that was fun that was that was these the the ones where someone behind an instagram account are always the biggest wild cards because you never know what you're in for but they've all turned out to be pretty good we've done immortal immortal barbell subpar power lifting memes yes this one was there another one i thought there was one other one um we did the guy wes richardson oh snatch and snack yeah yeah yeah he said he was going to be at the arnold did we i don't think we saw him at the arnold i mean that was a long time ago but yeah i mean we we definitely didn't knowingly see him so So we didn't forget anything. Right.

So yeah, we've done four of these now. They've all been fun ones. Yeah, Mr. Dark Iron Gains is an exceptional guest here. I think that was very fun, very interesting to get a little peek behind the dark iron curtain. Yeah, just a small peek though. Yeah, yeah. See, still Mr. Dark Iron Gains.

Don't know much about him besides that. If you're not following dark iron gains, make sure to do it. I mean, if you haven't thought of that by now, after listening to this episode, I'm not sure what you've been doing. I feel like you think massonomics has inside jokes.

Ooh, that's, this is like the elementary level. You're going to graduate to college. Yeah. Inside joke. So inside that i still would contend that a lot of people that don't even know themselves like they're like am i in on the joke

or not yeah i think they just have to be like i admit i know nothing and then once you like do that then you're like i can i can enjoy all this yeah yeah that's how it works oh that's good stuff but a lot of our suspicions were true yeah this guy does like bodybuilding from that era yeah has a certain musical taste and just likes crazy things yep oh what else do we got the for this episode on our end tommy do um probably not a ton you know no i'm just thinking tomorrow again right so this is going to come out the last week of uh march then we got some things restocked recently here yeah like um basically all all of our teas are almost restocked right now but then don't curl in me flag just came back got good stock of those and then by the time you're hearing this this is a big one the um

real tree camo hats with the blaze orange stitching actually by the time you're hearing this, this is a big one. The Realtree camo hats with the blaze orange stitching. Actually, by the time you're hearing this, those might even be gone already. Because those have been sold out for a long time. Supply chain issues, of course, with everything going on. Those are finally going to be back, though, with both the Lyft logo and the Masanomics Varsity logo. Those have been gone a long time. Those have been...

Supply chain issues have been a pain in the ass on those we didn't even have those for black friday did we no i don't think so i don't recall yeah that those have been we had no i bet not we have them back like at the showdown in september this doesn't say we had them then and we released them shortly after and got them back ever since they're finally back those have been a real victim of the supply chain yeah supply chain hit those real hard, didn't they? Mm-hmm. But tees were pretty good right now, for now. Bench in 315, there's just a few sizes left.

I think there is large in XL, that being the most common. We do have a few of those left. Numero Uno, we've got quite a few of the sizes, but really with both of those shirts, we're not sure what the future is for them so if you want them buy it now because we don't that's not gimmies that we will continue to have those those might not be perennial um keys that we have forever back into the vaults they go back back from which they came the vault cast them into the vault yeah it's like a Lord of the Rings style casting it's just like that yes

anything else probably about everything I mean if we forget we'll just talk about it tomorrow right that's true I was just going to double check or for people listening a week from now just some of the things we'll probably talk

about next week's episode oh we save our sack segment for next week's episode we could save that yeah that's fine okay uh we talk about old videos next week's episode um oh we're giving them the rundown just just uh just a teaser yeah just a teaser we've got i'm excited for this one we've i've got a uh oh it's not in here i have to really look at this they're supposed to it's not loading up here i have a little game a six-year podcast anniversary game i hope i don't have to redo that but if i do so be it but it's not popping up on my phone right now. We'll come take a look back on that. Because today was technically the sixth year anniversary.

We're just going to celebrate it. Right, tomorrow. We just observe it. Our next week's episode. We observe it next week. Right, right. Well, actually, do you... Well, technically, we'll just observe it when we feel like it's appropriate. That's true.

We make the rules. It's our show. No, but you guys can't tell us what to do. So if I didn't delete that, we will also play that game. Perfect. In theory, it would be a

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