Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 319: Beau Hightower

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! everything. Massonomics. Welcome everyone for episode 319 of the Massonomics podcast, the lifting podcast about near fin. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. Locked and loaded. Let's do this. Bring the heat. Welcome to the main event. That's my Bruce buffer. It's like my voice only louder.

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We do have several things this week. Much like all the previous 318 weeks, we have a lot to talk about this week again. We do. There's been some recent developments. This week will not change. First thing, this is a real quick 10,000-foot view item here. Okay. Yep.

You're familiar with the 10,000 foot view? Here, let me get us there. Yep. There. That means we hit 10,000. We're up to 10,000. It's now safe to unbuckle and listen to this little 10,000 foot.

To go stand in the aisles and talk to your friends. Someone asked if Larry's still on the Tanner. Yes, I am still. I gotry set up with a new eight-week program that one unfortunately there are zero spots left yes that was one of one unless you're larry legend you cannot get on on uh tanner ai um 10 000 foot view i've been hearing a little bit of rumblings that uh and granted this comes from a position of me knowing nothing about

well you said rumblings rumblings that's all i know that's all i know is that um it's like saying with all due respect i know you can say whatever i can say whatever i want uh that twitch is dying going to die could just go away altogether really yeah because why that um not being managed probably i think uh does amazon own Twitch or what? I don't know what the ownership structure is, but they're not treating their high end users correctly. And YouTube is pilfering them. And YouTube is offering services,

you know, starting to offer things that will like, has a good opportunity to make Twitch. YouTube has some subscription and premium things like that built. I want a subscription with like money. Right right stuff like that built in uh and that uh see here here's the in lies the 10 000 foot view i i very know much little about it uh uh someone said they heard that on 50 packs too so yes it must uh have some sort of relevance that someone else is talking about i've not heard of this yet and i don't know what i saw it on um this week but interesting to see if that's if there's some truth to that then if uh

i don't use twitch for anything i've maybe got on the site this site i don't even have the app i've got on the site a couple times ever i have some friends that use it a lot yeah but i've never used it so um and big matt uh number three on discord says it's but he's heard it's been going on for a while possibly so yeah that's that would be interesting you know that changes some of the landscape if if that's been a yeah actually yeah big keith said a lot of powerlifting meets that was probably the last time i was on twitch was to watch okay to meet a bit um so that's interesting if that does you know yeah they have some big creators over there for sure yeah that's the 10 000 foot view

of that we'll stay tuned as for more updates on that one from afar yeah uh another uh high level item i wanted to make sure to mention was listener of the uh friend of the podcast and longtime massanomics supporter uh big co keeft was drafted in the sixth round by the tampa bay buccaneers this year that's awesome yeah and he's been us uh you know he's got a i think he bought his first uh lift shirt back in like 2017 maybe even he went to unis university of minnesota the gophers and was drafted in the sixth round by tampa bay super cool yeah he's a tight end and uh so i guess he'd be in the would in theory be catching some passes from big tom that's that's gotta be intimidating right yeah i absolutely feel like was that was i talking to you about it or

like there's gotta be a thing like oh yeah they gotta be okay like there's got to be a thing like, Oh yeah. They got to be okay. Like there's people that brief you on like what not to say to Tom. Yeah. Ever. Yeah. Look him in the eyes. Yes. Like you never talked to him. They have to say all those things.

Right. I would imagine there's some code with that. And it's funny. They're probably like when Tom's in the locker room, he refers to himself in third person. Like I'm assuming there's just all of these rules that you don't know. That is pretty awesome though. That he's, and I'm not sure i think he was on the bubble of whether that he'd get drafted or whether he'd probably get signed right away after the draft but uh he actually made it in in the

draft in the sixth round so that's pretty awesome now the even crazier part would be if hard knocks was of the bucks this year because if hard knocks was like you know this is probably tom brady's last shot we should go down there And then because they focus so much. And the co-keep could be definitely on the person. Because they focus on the rookies so much on Hard Knocks. So it would not be unusual to think that he could be on there. That would be pretty cool. That would be very cool.

Talked to him the other day. Jack, my son's a big Bucs fan. So I told him we'll be cheering for him. Big co. That is pretty cool. That's great stuff. Yeah. So I told him we'll be cheering for him. Big Co. That is pretty cool. That's great stuff, yeah. His video of when he got drafted, go look it up.

It's pretty cool. Him and his family and friends sitting around and it looked like their garage all drinking beers and just having a good old time. It's that fun feeling when you get drafted, obviously, especially when you're in the bubble. Especially when you're in the bubble. Especially when you're not sure if you're going to get the call or not. Yeah. So really cool.

Go Big Co. I've got... Big David, I think he is the one that recognized the trend here. Moral of the story, if you're five years away from the draft, buy a Lyft shirt. Yes. story if you're five years away from the draft buy a lift shirt yes and then so yeah they drive draft all of us uh fat old 39 to 43 year old oh no like if you're like 18 years old and you think you have a shot at the draft yeah you buy a lift shirt your chances of getting drafted go up drastically and in five years you could probably still go play with tom brady at this rate so

you'll still catch him yeah on the twilight his career. I do have a fun story from yesterday. Yeah. I went on a little road trip. Yeah. But I wonder if we should be tap into a can for let's do it. And this is, this is a what's in the can. Oh,

okay. Well, allow me to do it. What it is that I do put on my, I'm going to need you to pull them down. That's a blindfold. That is. are you ready are you ready for this oh yeah let's do it i'm thirsty so yeah i'm ready uh now i'll give you a clue you do get to use the cock sauce

cock sauce you never go wrong with it's always something good if you like grilling out well it's got a crispy crack i could hear that right off the bat yep it does my smeller working why does the can feel weird? The can has like a weird texture to it. What could it be? What could it be? I'm tasting.

It's very flavorful. Packs a real wallop. It tastes good. I'll also say that. It tastes more flavorful than some of the average. And I feel like the can feels weird. It almost tastes a little bit like a squirt to me. Okay.

I know I've said that before on other things. And then what is a squirt exactly? You know, what flavors is that? And it also tastes maybe a little bit like orange soda to me too. Somewhere in between a squirt and orange soda. Let me take one more sip and see if i can differentiate which i don't know he's thinking over here almost felt a little lemony on that one maybe a little more lemony than i first thought the profile grows yeah i guess i'm gonna go lemon lime flavored sparkling water something

okay yes let's take a look whoa i don't know what this is the big reveal the big reveal grapefruit so you're right there so yeah squirt is great okay yeah squirt is great for um pomplemousse yes pample what is this though mad tasty this comes from a friend of massonomics nathan thomas in watertown oh he uh my my sister-in-law actually my sister-in-law she opened my wife's sister she uh had a business she opened up down there so my wife went to go support her and while she was down there she said hey this guy has a supplement shop down here and i'm like yeah i know who it is and she was trying to say i think he knows who you am like yep yep we got we know the connection

so she goes oh he has sparkling waters i have to buy some so she uh picked up grapefruit so it's a mad tasty but the thing i don't get is there's five calories on this label i don't see where the calories come from i don't see caffeine i don't see sugar but it's did you catch your 20 milligrams of extract am i gonna pass a drug test with this are you gonna be able to drive after this tanner santa monica california that's what I wondered where it was from. But mad tasty. So what does the hemp extract do for you? I'm not sure.

It doesn't say something about recovery on here somewhere. Okay. Or am I making that up in my head? Tasty wellness. I like the black. The squigglies are cool. And then just like the square. Yeah. This is good. I like like this i might give this a four let me try one more i miss great fruit always ranks pretty high for me

on any flavor list this has a significant flavor to it too it does i'm gonna give it a you might think this is a soda yeah better i'm gonna give it a too. It does. I'm going to give it a... You might think this is a soda. Yeah. I'm going to give it a 3.5 because there's just something there that I'm not quite putting my finger on that I can't... Sometimes there's something there and I can't decide it. It could be the orange or the lime or any of those other flavors. So I'm giving it a 3.5. Good stuff, though.

Yeah. Now should I tell you about my little story? Yes. I would love to hear this so the gym we just we just got a new uh treadmill of all things who would have thought all part of the play to turn into a cardio yep so we got a we got a uh true form runner i use true form runner and it's the big boy it is the runner The runner is, technically, the runner is the high-end model. Oh, is that how they, what's the other one called? Trainer. Oh, okay.

So it's the Trueform Trainer and Trueform Runner. Yeah, the Trueform Runner costs about seven grand new. The Trueform Trainer costs about four grand new. And they're motorless treadmills, you know, the curved ones. You've probably seen one there's other i think assault makes one several other companies at this point make one but um the true form runner is kind of the gold standard as far as those go it's like the name brand yeah and we had uh a the shittiest treadmill you could possibly imagine at the

in the gym like our cardio section now is the concept two rower the rogue echo bike um kind of a shitty schwinn airdyne and then a little um like spin spin bike and then we had this awful treadmill that was literally like all but falling apart yeah like if like if you stepped on it hard enough it seemed like it might collapse right but a lot the thing about it is a lot of people use that in mass dynamics, Jim. A lot of people warm up on that thing. Yeah, because you can't walk around in the wintertime. So if you want to just get some movement going, you have to get on that thing. So, you know, with the Concept 2 rower and the Rogue Echo Bike,

we got a couple of top-of-the-line pieces of equipment, but I kind of wanted one of these treadmills at some point. Just check it off the list. And it's like, oh, if you want to do if you want to do cardio, we kind of got the all the gold standards there. And I was kind of prepared at some point in time to buy probably a trainer new because you can't find these used hardly at all, at least not relatively locally to us, which is more challenging than for some people anyways. But a couple came for sale in the cities, as we would call them, of course. And if you've been listening for a while, you, of course, know that that's the greater Minneapolis-St. Paul area

is what we would call the cities. And it was from like a soccer team there. And I negotiated with them and I was just going to buy one. But then they wanted to do a pretty sweet deal. So ended up getting both of them for the total under $4,000, which is a really good deal. That's insane, yeah. Yeah, these are used, but they are in very good condition. That's kind of the beauty of these things is there's only so little that can go wrong with the the non-motorized treadmill and

so i got got both of them for a pretty sweet price and the other one's sitting in my garage now at home and it was interesting when i showed up there was in blaine minnesota actually it was where ed was just on the north side of the cities and it was this giant complex yes Blaine's kind of like a big soccer yeah yeah and I called the guy when I got there and he kind of told me where to go I had to drive her I was kind of on the wrong side you found this on Facebook market but Facebook marketplace yeah and um showed me where to go and I ended up getting this place i'm like oh it's this really big gated off you know enormous soccer field and like there's a stadium here and like this giant training facility and all this stuff and he's like oh we gotta go get like such and

such guy he's actually in charge of this we gotta help him so i had to go like through this gated area to the practice field and he's like oh you kind of need credentials to come through here but it's like it's probably you know whatever just come with and as we're walking then i'm like i asked him i'm like what level of soccer is like i actually my exact words is i don't know anything about soccer what at all i actually told him i've seen the first season of ted lasso that is all i know about soccer and my four-year-old daughter plays soccer yeah so that's how much i know about soccer you'll do great yeah yeah um and he he goes uh this is the top level and i'm like oh so this is like the mls and like yes this is the mls team i'm like ah okay see and i didn't know they had an

mls yeah yes i barely i guess i didn't know that myself kind MLS team in Minneapolis. I guess I didn't know that myself. It's the Minnesota United Football Club. Then I realized, oh, this is interesting. Then I'm at the practice. They're all out there practicing. I'm like, oh, I wish I knew about soccer. This is probably cool. Because if this was going on at the Minnesota Vikings

or the Timberwolves or the Twins, I'm like, oh, this is probably cool because if this was going on at the minnesota vikings or any other yeah yeah i'm like oh this is really cool um me not knowing soccer is a little less cool for me but still at the moment i thought oh i guess maybe this is a little cool looked up their salaries too after that because i'm like how much are these guys making um the top player for the minnesota united uh football club was making just shy of a million bucks a year. Is it David Beckham? Is that his name? There was nobody's name that you or I or mostly anyone know,

mostly because it wasn't David Beckham. But they play against that L.A. team that those guys play. They're in the same league, of course, as them, and Seattle, I think, has a big team that people follow. Yeah, that's what I always thought. Seattle had a pretty popular team uh or portland maybe but the lowest salaried players on the team i assume this is the league minimum uh they get fifty six thousand dollars a year i'm like oof there's a little bit of difference here in here and then

you know and here in the other uh yeah that's the minimum. I guess you still get to play soccer for a living. Yeah, for like borderline a living if you live in Minneapolis. Yeah, true. You know? Well, it's not a big sport here. No. In this part of the country especially, so I suppose, yeah. But it was cool. We went inside the training facility then,

and then I was talking to the head strength coach for him. Was he just jacked to the gills? He looked like he lifted a weight or two. Okay, cool. I mean, he was probably just about 50, but he looked like he was no stranger to the gym at least. But it was funny. I was like his presumably sort of assistant or something like that.

I was kind of walking around with him. I'm like, why are you selling these? Because they were still right in the gym. know right in great condition right yeah and like people want these are sought after pieces of equipment and he kind of like quietly told me he's like i don't know i'll tell you the truth i wouldn't get rid of these but you know like there'd been a change in the strength and conditioning coach so it's like they're wanting to get stuff out and that's kind of why i got the good deal because nobody there gives a crap it's gotta go it's not some it's not any of their personal money it's like ah the old strength condition coach had these i don't want them anymore

you're willing to take both great let's get them out of here and uh got them both loaded in the trailer barely both fit in the trailer that was a that was a fairly tight yeah i could have threw one in the back of the uh pickup if i needed to but it was more convenient to have the both in the trailer and yeah got one unloaded at home not a big deal just got it wheeled in the garage but these are you didn't have to take them apart at all then did you not to get the one in my garage oh yes um if you put the one in the gym then so first of all these are heavy as shit yeah how much the side of these are all like it's metal like they're not plastic on the the runner like it's um i think they weigh 300 uh pounds a piece or if not a little bit more and also very big and not you know don't have great handles on them and

that sort of thing um so we took it you know i think when they manufactured these they planned on a lot of people carrying them downstairs. I assume they predicted this was almost not happening at all based on the way that they're built and based on how freaking heavy they are. And we took it down that back stairway, didn't have to take it apart to get down there. And I was hoping it was, we're going to get it in the door. But so as me, Caden and a big Felipe at the gym should have for sure had one more guy, if not two more guys. And it was a one stare at a time like all of us completely drenched in sweat like pinching fingers everyone along the way and like just praying this thing doesn't get away from us and uh anyways we made it down and

then of course it wouldn't fit through the door so then I had to take like not that big of a deal but after an 11 so driving to minneapolis and back in one day was an 11 hour uh driving experience for me and then i'm like i kind of would like to get this just downloaded and get it done with today clear my mind so then i had to take the top part of it off not a huge deal but like just kind of yeah and then it just fits just right through the doorway and it is in place um the one at home works perfectly the one at the gym then i found so then i i hadn't tested both of them i assume they work just fine this is relatively minor but all things considered at the end of this day after the 11 hour car ride me carrying it down the stairs taking apart getting it through the doorway putting it back together then i'm like all right i'm just gonna walk on this thing for a few minutes even like

just a little on the spot stress relief yeah satisfaction here and it makes a funny noise and i'm like why is this making a funny noise right now and almost like a slight catch to it and it has it's a belt it almost looks like a conveyor belt you know what the treadmill, it's a belt. It almost looks like a conveyor belt. You know what the treadmill is. It's a, you know, it's not one solid piece of like canvas, like a normal treadmill is. It's slotted belts that all tied into each other. And one of them, they're hard rubber. And I couldn't even figure it out that night because I was lifting up the conveyor and trying to look underneath it. And I'm like, maybe one of these bearings is not spinning

or something under here is not spinning. So when it glides across that, it's causing friction and not rubbing properly. It's causing this noise and a little bit of friction there. I looked at it closely today when I was much less pissed off and tired and angry about the whole thing and looked at it closely. I was noticing it's not always making the noise. It's just occasionally if I just happen to like step in just the right spot,

I realized it's one of the belt sections, which they're about an inch and a half. Like those little slats? Yeah, the slats. One of those, it's not visibly broken to look at it, but like it had lost its integrity. It kind of got like snapped. And you couldn't tell by just looking at it, but because it had lost its integrity it kind of got like snapped and it's you couldn't tell by

looking just looking at it but because it wasn't rigid anymore it would uh when you stepped on just if you put like the meat of your your foot like center of your foot in it it would dip down and like could you even feel it then yeah you can feel it then once i found it was that one i'd like i could put pressure on that one and run it along. And it's that one. So I called True Form Runner today. And really, I'm impressed with their customer service, I will say, first of all. And then also, it has like a forever warranty. They're just sending me the replacement piece.

And I'm like, wow. I thought you were going to be like, turns out this one doesn't exist anymore. No. That's awesome. So they're mailing me that and uh i also was one power adapter short so i bought that and then they're mailing me this other thing are you able to take out just like the single piece or does this yeah no you you take it out i mean it's not it's not like it just pops out there's a few screws but you don't have to take like no whole side out and rip all the no you're able to basically uh shim the belt up so it's pulled away from the treadmill a little bit. And then there's some screws on the bottom side that you can take a single section out and then you tie the section back in.

So each one is individually screwed in? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Like they're all screwed together. It's like a daisy chain or whatever you would call it. Well, that's really cool.

Yeah. I was really getting scared that there was going to be something that totally ruined this whole thing. If you go walk on it tomorrow or run on it, whatever, you'll notice something's off a little bit. It's not going to hurt anything, but there's a little catch to it. And it's like off-putting is what I would call it. It's like, oh, why is that? What is that? What is that? That's not how the motion.

Yeah, why is there? What's going on in my step here? Especially after I'd used the one that's at our house so it does take a little getting used to though just getting your balance and being in the right yeah you're in the right spot because it almost like you'll just like stop going if you're not doing it you're like i want to go faster but now i'm stopped because you have like you have to be you can't just like walk in the center of the treadmill oh yeah you got to get up on it yeah you got to get up on it and like even when you're running like you have to be striding like up onto it yeah and it doesn't feel like you're taking elevated

steps when you're doing it right but um pretty interesting i think it's i think they're really cool but i haven't gone to the gym today but i'm excited to go there tomorrow and see this so what did did it go right where the old treadmill was or did things get moved around over there no that's where it is right now and it fit there yeah no it's bigger but it it seems yeah because that old treadmill seemed so small i thought there was no way this thing would fit in that spot yeah yeah cool is it facing the wall or out it is facing the wall but that is a good question i actually debated that with cadaden when we were there. I said, what do you think?

He says, I think it should face the wall. And in my mind, I thought... I don't know if Caden was the guy you asked cardio questions to. Well, I don't know who there really is the guy even. But I could be open to turning it around because I'm not sure what the right answer to that is. The other one always faced the wall, but it certainly doesn't have to. It is funny because the assault bike and all the bikes face out. Right. Which, of course, if you think about it, you wouldn't face that. Why would you want to face the wall but it certainly doesn't have to it is funny because like the assault bike and all the bikes face out right which of course if you think about it you wouldn't why would you want to face

the wall i think just because the old treadmill faced the wall i feel like it makes more sense to face out right but i won't spend any significant amount if you were on it for like 10 minutes it'd be really annoying because you're just staring at the foot from the wall reading uh a poster about deadlifting or whatever reading the starting but the other one was always like that i know and no one said anything which is really funny to think about but half the people that use it walk backwards on it too so you do have a point there yeah i see just just as much backward walking as i do forwards walking on there yeah um well shoot should we just do a quick uh supporting our supporting members segment yeah we probably need to hop in just about hop into our guest time flies when you're um well shoot should we just do a quick supporting our supporting members segment

yeah we probably need to hop in just about hop into our guest time flies when you're talking about treadmills it does who would have thought we'd have a big treadmill segment it only took us 319 uh episodes that's just a taste of what's to come so we do have the supporting our supporting members segment uh each week and it's it's a relatively newer segment for the podcast i would say you know and one of the fastest growing ones yeah i also say absolutely it uh grows just growing week to week and uh the reason it's growing is because um all of the supporting members that we're getting it's just been awesome to see more people joining the the mass dynamics crew and uh each week we just like to give back to them a little bit right

that's kind of what the supporting our supporting members is all is all about so this week big david um big david hit a full dinny stone weight in his uh strongman competition and he placed first in the 200 pound open class that was he had photos in the discord too didn't yes yeah yep great photo so that was that was our supporting our supporting members segment this week so congratulations big david that was uh that was really cool and that's no small street yeah that's actually no small feat to do the full dinny stone weight either everyone wants us to explain the mid. Well, I still have that on my list. I did the cities.

The cities, Minneapolis, St. Paul. I have it on my list. We'll bring it back. We'll bring it back. We still have ones.

We still have many Midwest things to work through. So if you want to get a chance at making it to supporting our supporting members, all you have to do is become a supporting member and then do something do something that's not worthy and please message to all supporting members out there please

if you compete or do anything that you're just proud of make sure to mention it in the discord don't consider it bragging or anything like that people are super encouraging in there and like to support other people that are doing stuff in the discord. Don't consider it bragging or anything like that. People are super encouraging in there and like to support other people that are doing stuff

in the strength world that we all kind of occupy space in. So please shout it out in there. Everyone will be happy to see it and then we're happy to be able to use it on supporting our supporting members. And the circle continues.

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visit TexasPowerBars.com. Excellent. Should we say goodbye to these Discord fellas? I suppose. And ladies? Bye-bye, Discord. And now should we get our guest on the horn? Let's do it.

Let's get the horn fired up and get him on it. How's the horn coming over there? There's the horn. Hello, this is Bo speaking. Dr. Hightower, is that you? Yes, sir. What's going on? Excellent. You're on with Tanner and Tommy. We're excited to get you on the Masanomics podcast.

What's up, Beau? What's up? What's up? We are extremely excited to get you on, and we're actually talking about how we do the introduction because you have more alphabet soup after your name than a can of Campbell's, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, probably compensating for something. more alphabet soup after your name than a can of Campbell's. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Probably compensating for something. It may be like a world record.

I don't know that you have a lot of, uh, uh, obviously degrees and distinctions and, they, they go along with everything that you've done. Yeah. You know,

I just like school, honestly. Well, apparently you were good at it too. Yeah. Okay. Uh, but as soon as I, you know, I just like school, honestly. Well, apparently you were good at it too. Yeah, it comes okay. But as soon as I, you know, as soon as I get a few more viral YouTube videos, I'll probably close the shop down

and go back to school a couple more times and, you know, see if I can increase the number of letters behind the end. Yeah, I mean, at this point, you might as well keep it going. Yeah. You know, set a record. You bring up an interesting point there

because there is kind of at this point, almost this distinction of you do two different things. You have your practice or multiple practices at this point in time, I think. And then you also are a YouTuber. Yep. You are full. Yeah. The irony. Yeah. Which I guess my question leading into that is if you could only do one of those at this point because they both have certainly taken off, but you're only able to do one, which one do you go with?

Probably you two. Okay. Yeah. You know, 12 years into practice, you know, you're going to do a musculoskeletal work. There's only so many things you can treat and actually have an effect on it's fun the first six seven years because you're still like uncovering you know all the biomechanical deficits where there's muscle weaknesses and you know all that kind of stuff but after a decade in you've kind of seen everything there is um you know things get weird too like from the youtube and from the social media you know you get stalkers you you get, you know,

people that just drive halfway across the country because they think you can cure cancer or something. Are you saying you can't? Yeah, not in my field. We're going to have to change the next 10 questions. Yeah. Yeah. You know, yeah. Jesus, who knew? Yeah. So we had to take like the sign off my door.

Cause people would just come into the room and sit down and start watching me know yeah jesus who knew um yeah so we had to take like the sign off my door because people would just come into the room and sit down and start watching me treat people and you know it gets it gets weird so i can't i can't complain really because i put myself out there for it um but you know it changes the way you do things and and you know you can't really have healthy relationships with clients either because they view you in a different light you know it's the same reason why you're not supposed to treat family members, um, because it's not a healthy, you know, a client practitioner, you know, relationship. Um, so yeah, I mean, the YouTube is, it's pretty easy money, you know, we've kind of turned it into a talk show in a way

and, um, people seem to like it, they're entertained. And so we're here to entertain them, I guess. So have you ever, you know, obviously you're a chiropractor. Has anyone ever asked what you do and you told them YouTuber or has that, has that word never, have you never used it in that phrase? Well, I just embraced it because I used to actually make fun of social media people, you know, like get a job, you losers. And, uh, you know, my wife was like a, you know, one of the first, um, you know, Instagram model, you know, supplement company people. And I'm like, wait a second, she's getting paid to just go to expos. Here, look at the, take me, take the supplement. I'm like, God damn it.

What am I doing wrong there? So she started helping me with my social media and she films all my videos and edits them now and everything like that. And like, next thing I knew, we were like, wait, you can turn monetization on. And, uh, yeah, I mean, I definitely make more money from both Facebook and YouTube than my clinics. That's, that's very impressive. You know, it's, I guess it's not a surprise. You know, we were looking at this, you're closing in on the half a billion total view mark. That's a lot of views. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, there was like, there was a chiropractic craze about three or

four years ago. Um, kind of like pimple popping where people would like watch these videos to fall asleep. So I just I just caught the front edge of an algorithmic wave. There's four or five channels that people like they would just watch it for their own satisfaction. And I work with MMA fighters and a lot of weightlifters and powerlifters and stuff. And so I kind of had this crossover audience where we have these ASMR type people that were watching because they wanted to sleep to the cracks, which is weird to me, but, you know, whatever people watch pimple popping and stuff too. So, um, and then we have these other groups of people where, you know, they, they follow the world's strongest man guys or the MMA guys.

So it just double boosted my, my algorithmic reach. Um, and, and yeah, I mean, my, my YouTube was intentional, all the other guys, they just kind of got lucky, but we're like, all right, what are people paying attention to? What are, what are the numbers say? And what that turned into was, you know, eventually a sort of a hot ones style podcast where instead of them meeting hot wings, I'm pushing all the trigger points and asking them vulnerable questions, you know, all my fingers deep inside their armpits.

Well, and you brought up, yeah, Tommy, we're, we're actually talking about something you just brought up right there. Your ability of, um, doing both of those. Yeah. It's almost like you're having a podcast while, you know some work on on people here and the ability you know it's a lot of people what they do for a living it's going to be hard to carry on that level of a conversation like uh especially with the intent of you putting this out to hundreds of thousands of people to watch as entertainment and still be able to do your uh practice so well at the same point in time like that's like like, I think that's maybe overlooked sometimes how, you know, the skill that goes into doing both at once.

Yeah. And what's interesting is, you know, you know, it was particularly lately a lot of the people, it's my first time meeting them too, you know, so they like, they'll reach out and like, Hey, will you come work on me? And I'll say, yeah, if you let us film it and we can use it for YouTube or whatever um so you know a lot of people think either maybe we've known each other for a while but probably 90 of them is the first time we've met so um i definitely do my due diligence if there's somebody that i don't know a ton about that way at least i can carry the conversation somewhere um but yeah it's it's it's turned into a different thing and

it's kept us relevant at least the last you last year or so because eventually there's only so many new myofascial techniques or whatever else that you can do. Everybody's seen all your crack moves eventually. So what else can you do to stay relevant? What's interesting? And the only kind of content that I think – and you guys have figured this out podcast-wise – is conversations with people in different fields and current events and their current events sucks because that's like you know politics essentially is the only thing we couldn't agree more that does suck we try to never it does suck like like holy shit look at the mortgage interest rates today oh god look at my ethereum today like fucking just hang a rope up

you know so yeah let's talk about you know jack 3d original formula and dam yeah jack 3d original formula great reference that's actually um what i i credit jack 3d original formula to us be getting you on the podcast here today yeah so shout out to jack 3d if you guys have any original formula send it to us we're not scratching our necks like crackheads or anything just another great thing about jack 3d original formula there wasn't enough already it never goes away it never goes away you can see into other dimensions you know hit new prs you know grow a third eye like dr strange yes uh you have worked on a whole bunch of uh you know you talked about ufc fighters of course a lot of times uh the professional wrestlers and then also some people like our friend ed cone and um you know a lot of lifters a lot of power lifters uh i think some strongmen and stuff

in there what i'm kind of wondering is what's more challenging of a body type to work on? Someone that is a mass muscle monster, someone like an IFBB pro bodybuilder, like a Phil Heath physique or a Kai Green, something like that, or in comparison to someone like Hafthor Bjornsson, these enormous 400 plus pound guys that aren't necessarily as lean, but they're just physically imposing enormous people.

What, which one has more challenges? Yeah. The bigger guys are tougher, you know, like Brian Shaw, those kinds of guys, you know,

you're talking six, eight, 400 pounds, you know, I'm on a good day standing on my tippy toes, six foot, maybe two 20, you know,

and, and, and physics doesn't lie. So force in equals force out. So the amount of leverage you have to get to be able to push into those muscles without them kicking you out, it's challenging and it's humbling to me too because it reminds me of providers that are 160 pounds working on 230 pound guys. I'm like, damn, this is why they're sweating and struggling because those big guys,

they make you work, especially if you don't have an adjustable hydraulic table. Definitely a challenge, you know, those guys. And what's interesting about like the strong men guys in particular is first of all, anybody who's lifting is always in pain. Right. And then your brain dissociates pain because you're like, is it, is it a DOMS? Is that what I'm feeling? Or is this joint pain? And then you're like, I think I'm supposed to feel pain if my workouts are working um so the level of pain tolerance that like the the wsm guys have is through the roof they're taking atlas stones up their shins and you know

carrying axles on their shoulders so my my little thumb is usually not enough to get a ton out of those guys the bodybuilder is a little different. Their muscles are bound together a little tighter, so we tend to get better reactions out of them. They're the pretty boys out of the group. We can make them scream a little bit more than the big boys. That's good.

I was specifically watching the Ed Cohn video when you worked on him. And it's interesting, someone like that that has so much mileage on him. I know Ed's talked about how he struggled with bench pressing later in his career. I think it was maybe shoulder issues. And I think he had both hips replaced maybe at some point in time too and uh someone like that uh could he benefit from seeing someone like you regularly or like you know at a certain

point is it is it is it hard mileage just yeah is it hard to fix someone yeah it depends so like in his case you know there's a lot of limitations on how much change we're gonna make you know um and things have changed obviously you know in the 80 in the eighties and nineties, it was just like, whatever, lift more, you know, power lifting and strong man, and even bodybuilding. I mean, we're talking like the mid seventies is when it really started taking off. So guys today, you know, like, like Tom Brady and everybody else, they all have a body worker, Jay Cutler, you know, he's done body work his whole career. And if you keep that pliability in your muscles, you definitely decrease the amount of bone spurs you're going to have in there. You know, you're just getting your muscle back to its normal range of motion after you've shortened it from lifting so much.

Now, you can do that too much, too. That'll make you weak if you do too much because you want to be a little tight if you're a lifter or a fighter. You'd rather be a little tight than a little loose. But you also don't want to be so fibrotic that your joints can't go through the ranges of motion. You know, and in Ed's case case his shoulders are pretty beat up um and he's definitely got some bone spurs in there i know he went down and had some stem cells um to try to get something out of that because frankly we just surgically there isn't a lot of options um as far as like replacements like there are for knees and hips you know the medicines come pretty far on those

two things so people have problems with their knees and hips. Usually there's an answer. Spine, shoulders. If you let them get so bad, there's not always a lot you can do. So, yeah, if you if you're a younger guy and you're getting your lats worked on and your delts worked on, I think it'll definitely decrease the amount of degeneration in the cartilage in the shoulder because there is only so much cartilage in there. There is only so much cartilage in there. You're already loading it with weight, and the last thing you want to do is add biomechanical stress just from something like not stretching or not rolling or not getting body work. Yeah, that makes sense.

Going back to the YouTube, you do have, I think it was like, what did we say, 1.5 million subscribers now there. And obviously, you even said it's intentional. It's not by accident. So you've had to become um youtube savvy obviously through things like thumbnails um video titles yeah titles uh buzzwords i suppose that that pick up algorithms that sort of thing um like and i i'm relating this i've heard. Beast talk about it before. Do you know, I don't know if you are aware of, yeah. And just how like he, you just become a YouTube expert.

Obviously you're producing content and doing all that, but do you find yourself like, do you produce content because you know that it's YouTube worthy at a certain point? You know, do you do what you know is going to be valuable in the YouTube algorithm or whatever you want to refer to it as? Yeah, 100%. Before we used to produce a lot lower quality videos and it was just kind of whoever. Like I said, we were just riding that algorithm wave that existed in Cairo two or three years ago. But when the algorithms changed after the apocalypse and when they started really ranking

your last 10 videos or so, what we realized is we can't afford to put out duds because if you have a couple of duds in a row, the algorithm is going to think that people don't want to watch your videos. So we had to be a lot more intentional with what we were putting out, what we thought would get a lot more views. And shelving some stuff that in an older time we would put out if we just didn't think it turned out very well or the conversation went off the rails or whatever. Um, so yeah, we definitely, you know, and, and one thing about being a therapist and

watching body mechanics and stuff forever, you, you're recognizing patterns, right? Like if you're a body worker or a PT or Cairo, or even a personal trainer, you're, you're a pattern recognizer. You're looking for patterns. And I think the same thing can happen with YouTube algorithm. You're trying to see what works, what doesn't and storing that information away because you're like, yeah, this typically works. Then what you have to see is if the environment changes and that doesn't work anymore, well, you throw that tool away and you go to a new tool and you just see what else sticks.

We definitely modify. We don't post as often anymore because of that. Just trying to stay on top of the algorithm, because some of my colleagues, you know, they really killed their channel. But it's just by like freaking out because their views were going down and they would just shit post. They would just post, you know, over and over and over again. And each time it would get less and less views to the point where they were getting less than five, ten thousand views per video when they used to hit five million, six million. And I think I think a lot of people kill their channels that way. So we see dead YouTube channels in the modern era when it comes to algorithms.

I think that's a big reason why. One of the things that's apparent and also funny going through some of your videos is some of the thumbnails and titles are somewhat suggestive when you look through them. Have you felt like that's ever backfired on you or has it always worked great with that scheme? Suggestive of what?

Oh, just sometimes it seems like maybe, well, what's it? Like a chisel position. Yeah, like a chisel. If you had never seen it and you see this chisel looking like it's going like right like if you didn't had never seen it and you see like this chisel looking like it's going up someone's butt you'd be like oh what is this going on here like it catches your attention in that way hmm i don't know what you guys are talking about i see what you're doing there okay so so you have to be careful because you know there's a computer you know uh that's picking up images and so what's crazy is like you know you can have a dude that's ripped and shredded and he can be on there with no shirt on and YouTube doesn't care at all.

If you have a really like a like a bodybuilder girl, like an actual bodybuilder or a powerlifter, same thing. But if you have somebody with any curves at all, it's like the YouTube computer can recognize that that's what like an average person would think is more aesthetic or whatever. And you'll get your demonetization like immediately you know yeah and uh it's weird how that goes because we've even noticed just on instagram like the word dog seems to be a very hot topic button for instagram where that can get flagged and in the algorithm in a really weird way and i mean yeah yeah you obviously see it on a bigger scale on youtube with the things you got going on. Yeah. There's a lot of words you don't ever like, like, like model, you don't want to put in, um, glutes, you know, stuff like that is all going to get flagged immediately and it's going to get lowered as far as like, uh, monetization CPM. So there's just,

there's a whole bunch of words that you don't want to load in your tags or, you know, in your titles, that'll get you in trouble. Not necessarily in trouble. So even if it's monetized, your CPM is just going to be a lot lower, you know, because it's going to tell your advertisers like, hey, this might be controversial. And, you know, they're not going to they're not going to load those kind of ads. And Instagram is crazy because like Instagram, like anybody who links to any other website is basically shadow banned. I think I think you could link to Facebook and you'd be okay. But if you have like your YouTube or your podcast or anything leading you away from Instagram on your page, you're not hitting the explore page. Okay. Um, why is, I, I guess I get

why Instagram would maybe not want to pull you away from Instagram, but Instagram used to be things were discoverable and people could go viral and almost more like maybe what TikTok is like today. Instagram used to be more like that. I struggle with the idea. Why is it in Instagram's better interest for people not to gain more traction as the powerful users? What's your thought? That's a great question. what what's your that's a great question yeah um i think i think at some point they decided that um they wanted to be paid you know for that kind of stuff so you know if if you're advertising on there or whatever else they're definitely going to give you preference you know not that you're paying for you know algorithmic results but i think it's clear we've we've tested it and i know

a lot of other folks have tested that as well that if they they de-link everything else and they pay a couple bucks to advertise a product all of a sudden their other posts start going more viral uh so they they want you know just like everything else they want you to pay yeah pay to play a little quid pro quo pro quo yeah so and people are willing to do it, obviously. I mean, you see all these profiles out here where people are buying six, seven million followers on Instagram. And, you know, like, you know, I was just I was just hearing somebody on the inside and they were talking about people were paying people like this is somebody who's in a little controversy. They're paying people like 10 grand to come on their podcast. And then you see the bots on the comments.

An individual who just had a quote-unquote comedy special that ended up on YouTube. I'm like, my God, is everything out here just bought and sold and just putting on for cloud? What the fuck? I'm here to make money and get out the game. I'm not here to spend money to look cool. Yeah, it's like, what are you doing at that point? And that reminds me, your $10,000 check for coming on today is in the mail.

Hopefully that doesn't get lost. Hopefully it's not in Bitcoin. Just wait like a week or two before you cash that $1. Just, you can pay me in Jack 3D. Classic formula, yes. I might even take the new formula. Whatever, screw it. Is it the DMAA?

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that they weren't listing it i'm not not exactly sure what the so what the huge issue was you're saying what jack needs to do is just offer on their website a two-pack where you buy the jack and you get the dmaa for free and you mix it in yourself right yeah it's like the old nerds containers it's watermelon on one side and cherry on the other. Exactly. You just pick the middle off and they're like, all right, boys, we're ready. You mix it to your preference level. Yeah, exactly. It's like 90% DMA. Wow, I'm so tingly.

I can see smells. Load up the bar, boys. Is there anything, I don't know even specifics, but, um, maybe things that have been enticing for you to do because you think it would be, uh, viral or attention getting or, you know, view, view catching. Are there any things you can think of that, um, you've decided not to do that you think would be beneficial for you in some of those ways, but you don't do it maybe out of, I don't know, principle or other reasons. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a ton of stuff. I mean, listen, the social media game,

it incentivizes you to become more and more radical. I mean, you can see it in the political spectrum. Like, you know, every single person has to be like so far left or so far right or whatever, you know, and, and it started with Fox news and now, you know, the left has taken up the mantle. Um, and, and you see it in YouTubers too, like as the numbers start dropping, you have to be more sensational, more crazy, Instagram, whatever. And, uh, I mean really peaking with like, like Logan Paul going to the suicide forest. I mean, eventually we get numb to everything, right? Whatever it is, you know, celebrity death match, uh, pimp my ride. Like it just gets boring. Like very few TV shows make it past three or four seasons, you know? So, uh, people get desperate. They get used to a way of

living. You know, a lot of these people are living outside their means and they have bills to pay and their views are going down or whatever. And they just get crazy, man. And they just, the incentive structure is there for them to just keep pushing and pushing. And, you know, everything's fine until it isn't. And I feel like people have, you know, one thing I'll say is, you know, I'm 38. So I was in my mid-30s before my social media really started going. So I lived a whole life before that. So I sort of have been sent to HR enough times to know better.

A lot of this stuff, a lot of these 20 year olds don't know any better. They've never been in a corporate environment or, or something like that. And, uh, you know, the reality is they end up getting canceled or they get their channel deleted or whatever else. And they just, everybody around them was going crazy too. And they just didn't realize it. So, um, I don't know how i would tell somebody to know where their limitations are but like yeah there's there's definitely been uh been things that i'd

like i'd be like babe what do you think about this i'm like yeah probably not yeah and you know not not just branding but you know i have a license from the medical board i have a license from the chiropractic you do have a little more at stake than just the just the average random 20 some year old person putting videos out there yeah and any any licensed field like they have these these bylaws in any state that's conduct them becoming a professional and that means whatever the karens on the board think it means you know um so like like my buddy mike simpson he's an emergency room physician in texas and the was, people were reporting him to the board because he was being mean to people on that were talking shit to him on his Instagram. So like, you know, you don't have a first amendment

right. Apparently, you know, if you have a license and you know, the type of person that's going to be on a board like that as a type of person that wants to control people that doesn't want people speaking out, doesn't want anything to be funny, you know, and, uh, it's just the world we live in yeah nothing should be funny i want everything to be serious and boring uh nothing funny around here nothing fun about this no fun sir whatsoever sir no fun at all sir i think i think it's fun that uh you're this uh well-experienced treater of people, you know, chiropractor or trained in multiple disciplines. And we've spent most of the time talking to you about YouTube and social media,

but that just also says something about what you've been able to do with those disciplines. But along the, you know, your practice or the chiropractor side of it, I know that chiropractor is more, that's just a profession. I don't know how you explain it, but that's that's just a profession. I don't know how you explain it, but that's a profession. There's, I don't know, probably countless different things

that different chiropractors can actually do. But some chiropractic care gets a bad rap from gen pop and some of it seems to be very useful. And I think in mostly all professions, it's safe to say that there's people that are good and there's people that are bad. What about in the chiropractic world? Do you think there's more good providers out there or subpar? Yeah, I mean, whether good or subpar, I mean, I think, you know, statistically speaking,

you know, most people are average. True, yeah. That's the way it works, I guess. That's the way the bell curve works. And, uh, you know, half the people are below us, right? Yep. Um, what I would say is this is that, um, you know, the field itself having been sort of on the outside of medicine for a long time, um, it tends to be an umbrella for people with wacky ideas and

there tends to be some culty type behavior that ends up coming inside of it. Some of that is due to the fact that it is a basically you have to have your own practice. You're not going to get, you know, a ton of jobs working for other people. And it's kind of like YouTube, it incentivizes, you know, certain types of behavior. And, you know, certain types of behavior um and and you know certain types of behavior and certain types of practices are accepted or defended more within the profession and so yeah you know people that really go heavy on like subluxation theory or like craniosacral stuff or you know lifetime adjustments i mean i think they they uh they do definitely give the field a bad rap um you know cause as you were getting

a chiropractic is really what, what people mean when they say that as manipulation, right? Like, like moving joints. That's the most commonly thought of thing. If someone says chiropractic care, right. And so, you know, manipulation is taught at a hundred percent of doctor physical therapy programs, a hundred percent of osteopathic programs the difference is when and where to apply it and um so a lot of chiropractors tend to think of it as a more holistic experience so like adjusting somebody's back would affect their internal organs or their immune system and you know i i just don't think there's a ton of evidence for any of that kind of stuff so the way we run our practice is you know we look at a long muscle a short muscle is a joint stuck. If it isn't leave it alone, if it needs to move, then we move it. But we try to stay out of like the,

um, I don't want to say wooey, but just, you know, the, the holistic key, um, new wave kind of stuff that tends to bleed into the field. I think, I think I'm answering your question here. Yeah. I would say the umbrella there's, there's more quackery in chiropractic than physical therapy on average. But of course, there's great providers in every field. You know, there's, you know, four or five chiro's on Instagram or whatever that I could list right off the top of my head that, you know, don't involve themselves in that kind of stuff that are, you know, strong dudes that, you know, know their physiology really well.

Yeah. Jordan Chow is great. Right. You know, yeah. And like I said, manipulation has its place. But just like anything, if you're um yeah and like i said manipulation has its place but just like anything if you're using antibiotics when somebody has a viral infection your outcome is not going to be great so if somebody has a muscle strain and you're trying to crack that obviously the outcome isn't going to be what you want so um yeah there's definitely

some uh some weirdness but you know i've also had my eyes open stuff that i thought for sure would be bullshit that like on me personally like like acupuncture in my face. I'm like, yeah, right. But I'll try it. And so they did it. And my sinuses have been like, I had a guy do it. I mean, two weeks ago, my sinuses have been open and I was like, well, look at me all cocky and shit. I'm a believer. Yeah. And literally that's happened. Like when I graduated school, like I had a master's in exercise science and i sucked as a clinician because why wouldn't you you have no experience so all you're doing is reading abstracts and you're like this is bullshit this doesn't work this doesn't work like not imagining there's a skill difference between me and somebody who's been doing it for

five years or 10 years like mastery right and then these guys would you know i'll meet somebody from europe or something and they have a technique in my head i'm like yeah this is bullshit but i bullshit. But I mean, I'm not a dick to them. So, OK, try it out. And then next thing you know, like it works really well. I mean, I'm like, oh, shit, what's that? And so I've just had that happen to me enough times as an adult that I try not to be as judgmental when I see something that looks like hella wacky right off the bat. That I'll try it myself and try to understand what their premise and why they're doing it, what's the physiology. And if it sort of makes sense, then I'm open to it. But, you know, when you look at the literature, like nothing really works if you're just looking at studies. And the reason why is you can't really craft studies that would give you the

specific determinants you would want or need. It's like nutrition research, right? It's like the softest science. You're using, you know, people's memories, which are faulty. You know, they don't remember all the face full of M&Ms they had earlier in the day or whatever. And then we're trying to use that retroactively to decide like what diet is the best or not. Like it's not even counting like the variants of our genetics and, you know, our metabolism and our age and how much testosterone we have. Like all those things factor into if something works or doesn't work for the individual. So, you know, it's almost like as a clinician, your, your goal is to find the right intervention for the right person as a coach too, right? Like the right exercise, what's this person's lordosis or kyphosis, like maybe

this isn't the right exercise, you know, even, even somebody like Ed, like you look at him genetically, you're like, yeah, that guy's going to deadlift a shitload. He's got a huge hand, long arms, you know, and maybe he may not be quite as good on a bench or something um so if we just took a survey of average people ed's not average like he's the most exceptional power for all time so if i just said yeah yeah blah blah all these people the same as deadlift that's obviously not true um so you know, when we talk about EBM, we always talk about like three components. And the analogy I like to use is like,

the literature is the guardrail, so you don't go off the road, right? The clinician is going to basically, you know, come along and help the person who's the car. You know, the person in the car is going to decide what exit they're going to get off on. The clinician basically helps guide them in which lane they're going to drive.

Are they going slower? Are they going medium? Are they going fast? And if you can get all three of those things together, that's going to give you your best outcomes. Yeah. Makes sense. Uh, speaking, speaking of techniques and everyone's different approaches, it really seems like one of your signature things is your, is your hammer. And, uh, um, I mean, you really, your hammer, you know, where, where did that come from? Like, is that, I had never seen that before. Is that something that commonly exists in the chiropractor world?

And how did you come upon that? So that's more of a napropathic technique. So, you know, it's in the curriculum at the napropathic school I teach at. But really where it comes from, you know, there's several, you know, Eastern healing practices, Toxin being one of them, which is a, uh, a South Asian practice, which has done more mostly for muscles. Um, and there's some other variants of it, but the way I came across it, some, some of that was from there, but Alistair Overeem, who was a, you know, pride fighter, uh, he was a strike force champ, um, for even a lot

of horse meat. He, uh, he was training at Jackson at Jackson Wink, and he had this doctor from Holland. He was a medical doctor, but he was involved in something called orthomanual medicine. And it was like bone setting, but he was using hammers and chisels to move specific bones. And so he would fly from the Netherlands to Albuquerque to work on Alistair before fights. And so I let him use my practice to work on him because I worked on Alistair's soft tissue back then. And basically he taught me some of the basics with what he was doing and even sold me a couple of chisels. And so I took that principle and that theory and then took it back to the biomechanics of like shoulder mechanics or pelvic mechanics. So if you have like a posterior tilt like we would want to

move the top of the ilium forward and the ischium upward and from there then we'd want to loosen the hamstring so it doesn't pull it back down and so basically we took those principles just like dry needling just like the tissue and we try to apply it back to the model we're talking about with the long muscle short muscle tight muscle and you know getting somebody in the right position biomechanically with their bones. Did you say horse meat? Are you familiar with Alistair O'Brien and horse meat? No, I mean I'm familiar. Have you ever tried horse meat yourself? I have. And how was it?

It's very rough, very tough. Okay, that's what I would imagine. It doesn't seem like the most tender cut. So you guys are probably a little young for this. So Alistair popped positive for USADA back in the day, and I think he was like 16 to 1 testosterone to happy ratio or something crazy. Okay. And his get out of jail card was he was eating too much horse meat,

and I gave him high testosterone. Don't think that high. So it's an MMA meme. There would be a lot of meat on a horse, though, I would assume, right? Pretty lean. Yeah, and they're lean. You know, the steak would be like jerky, I guess. Well, it's probably highly dependent on the breed.

I mean, a Shetland pony probably has a little less than a Clydesdale. Don't tell people you're eating ponies, man. You'll get canceled so fast. Yeah, I don't want horse meat though that's taboo in the United States I guess right that's taboo it's not legal is it? in America I don't think it's legal I remember there was like a Anthony Bourdain

like no reservations or something were they in Italy or somewhere and I thought you could just get it from like a vendor on the street it's fairly common in Europe it's really weird though depending on how hard you think about it of then like okay so it's not legal to eat that animal but like this animal yeah we all eat this one listen we're not logical around here man i know it is we just have our customs and we didn't do it you know right that's why you just have to not think about it too hard and then it's like i guess it makes

sense well you see those those videos on instagram with a little baby uh cows running around they're fuzzy and i'm like god damn it oh yeah and then i feel guilty for like five minutes and then i have a burger you know it's delicious i think it's more the level of domestication and training but people can domesticate and train cows pretty well too yeah i mean pigs i mean pigs are really smart people have bacon is delicious bacon is delicious that is not there is no arguing but as cute as he is i'm just i'm still gonna eat sometimes i just choose not to think about it that much and then it's like you have to okay yeah and then it's all you can't you can't be imagining charlotte's web when you're having delicious bacon you know it will be all the action just bury that deep inside. We live right in the heart of South Dakota.

So, I mean, there's actually, I think the cattle population here is larger than human beings. So we're in the epicenter. Wait till they unionize and turn on you guys. It's only a matter of time. Yeah, that Chick-fil-A commercial, it's a prelude. Yeah, but it's crazy. It's like other countries, people eating dog, no problem.

We lose our minds here. My family, right? It's just cultural norms. There's no rhyme or reason or logic to it necessarily. I guess we just have to eat each other's dogs in order to get over the family part of it. Next thing you know, you're going to be like Alex Jones, having to eat your neighbor. No. I didn't want to.

You have, it's got to be super fun and super cool. All these people you've gotten to work with and uh, through basically that YouTube and your practice has, has led you to. And it's, I mean, to me, it's just, it's really, it's gotta be fun on your end. I'm wondering if there's anyone that you've, uh, gotten to, uh, you know, have a session with that you were even a little in awe in or like nervous going to treat someone. Yeah, I think there's a bunch. I mean, for me, like a lot of, and I don't know if this is on accident or what, but, you know, the vast majority of the people we have are referred by other people. You know, they've seen it.

But now that my channel is big, people come to me wanting to come on for PR stuff. So it's just, there's been like kind of two different phases. But like, you know, a lot of the people that I've had on are people that, that when I was in high school or whatever, we're like really big. So like, like Ed Cohn, for example, I had his powerlifting magazine, you know, when I was, when I was in high school, you know, maxing out, you know, and same with college football and flex, excuse me, flex Wheeler, um, was, was pretty cool for me. Cause he was one of my heroes, uh, in the bodybuilding world growing up. Um, you know evander holyfield is another one ludicrous because that's kind of that late 90s we're talking about ludicrous yeah ludicrous that that was that was pretty cool yeah it was that was

pretty cool because he um he was shooting a movie here and i worked on his trainer and his trainer was like oh chris would love this and so he kind of he kind of linked this up which uh was ironic because i was in atlanta and he was in Albuquerque when he called me, uh, cause I was working with diamond Dallas page. And when we got back, this dude just, he would just show up in my clinic like every day. And then we'd like move all our patients around. Cause you know, it's ludicrous. Right. So he's like, Hey man, can I come at two?

Can I come at one? And he came like, yeah. Right. You're like, no, sir. Go away. So he came out and he came like almost every day for like three weeks just working on you know some of these old trigger points he's had and uh you know and he kept trying he's like how much how much you owe you i was like you know if you get the chance and you want to film one of these sessions i'd be really grateful you know and and you know for somebody like him he doesn't you know what would my 1.5 million right i mean to him right so it really has to be a favor because

like these guys don't a lot of them don't want to be out there like that or on on video um so luckily like he thought a lot of our treatment and he actually flew me out to atlanta to work on him a couple times too but he uh you know he he was finally like okay let's just let's let's film one man and so that was super cool um i think i was nervous on that one because i you know most of these people are like yeah come in and i'll work on you when we film it he didn't want to do that obviously right off the bat and so it was like weeks of build-up like wondering if we were we weren't and he's gonna head out of town first so that one was kind of a little nerve-wracking and then sometimes like if a fighter wants to like bring me into camp or something and i haven't

worked with them before like actually we'll say no yeah yeah if it's like a week out and i haven't been working with them previously i'll just tell them no like i don't want you know i don't know your body like that and if you don't know what it's like we're just we're not going to do this you know um next camp we can we can link up or whatever but yeah there's definitely been you know in that world like it's mostly the late 90s over 2000s because i'm'm 38. Like I said, those are those are the people. Holyfield, Roy Jones, the people that I was, you know, in high school watching. Whereas like the people that are big like now, like, you know, I didn't grow up watching them. I kind of came up around them or with them. They're my age, you know, which it's still cool.

It's definitely still cool working with like a Flex Lewis or, you know, Brian you know a Nick best or those kind of guys but I look at them more as like peers as opposed to like looking up at somebody you know so yeah there's I'm usually don't get like that but there's been a couple that you know and then there's like the pressure to write it's like well this person you know they only have like 50 million followers so they decide they don't like my treatment and they're like yeah don't go see this guy. You know, no big deal.

No pressure. Well, even just through like what we've done through this, we've gotten to hang out with and visit with a lot of different fun people that we look up to in different respects. And almost overwhelmingly, everyone's been really fun, really nice. And we've almost had like no experiences with anyone that have been negative.

Have you had anyone and you don't even have to name names but have you had anyone that has turned out like, man that person was actually kind of a dick. Like has that come up at all? You know, not really actually. You wouldn't have gotten to that point probably to do

an episode or whatever. Yeah, I saw you guys had my boy Ray Williams on. What a good dude he is, isn't he? He's awesome. We've got, we've met, you know, we've talked with him a few times in person too. And just a great example. Like he's always awesome. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's the only thing that happens is if we have like, cause at the level that we're at, right. Like, so sometimes, you know, my wife's friends in town will be like, Hey, I want to come on for an episode. So we're like, cause at the level that we're at, right? Like, so sometimes, you know, my wife's friends in town, they'll be like, Hey, I want to come on for an episode. So we're like, okay, cool. We've had like nine dudes in a row on the channel. I guess we probably need a girl. And, uh, you know, people that aren't used to being in the public eye, they kind of

freak out when they start getting the comments and they just spend their whole life comment section. I'm like, yo, you really shouldn't do that like it's the internet is is is not nice and people are going to say stuff but they they'll panic and they'll freak out they're like hey can you go in there and you know monitor the comments and i'm like i really don't want to spend my time believing comments if you're that worried about it you know we don't have to do this um so really that's been the only like weird thing where people are like panicking and freaking out you know it's people that aren't famous you know anybody that's got a following or a podcast they're used to people talking shit it is what it is right like once you get to a certain point people are going to talk

shit and so really the way people respond is how they get judged like if you're defensive and butthurt you know like just have a little self-awareness realize where people are like oh yeah like uh this guy's hammering people and he's not a real doctor or whatever. And don't take it personally, man. You are who you are. Just have a little self-awareness and just be fun and have fun with it. It's fine. There's nothing you can do that you get big enough that somebody –

even people that perfectly curate their image, that know how to be likable, like Joe Rogan or The Rock, eventually they're going to piss people off. be likable like our Joe Rogan or the rocker eventually they're going to piss people off you know and I think those are two people that have the EQ that know how to curate an image to be liked and all it takes is you know Joe Biden doing or the rock doing a Joe Biden commercial and now half the country hates you or Joe Rogan you know questioning the vaccines or whatever and now everybody wants you off of Twitter and so you literally can't avoid it if you're going to put yourself in the public spotlight. So, you know, just take it on the chin, go with it, roll with it, and don't take it personally. I think that's savvy advice.

Yeah. Oh, one thing, you know, we were talking about working with people and there was one collaboration you had somewhat recently that really, really shocked me and surprised me because we've talked to several chiropractic people over the years and no one has ever known this name when I brought it up. And the name I'm talking about is Dr. Gregory Johnson, your Houston chiropractor. Yes, sir. That was the first, that was like the first YouTube chiropractor I ever saw. Dr. Gregory Johnson and his ring dingers.

I thought that that was like something that was lost in the history books. And then I saw you had a video with him. He's the first chiro tuber. So is he the OG, the original? He's one of the first like two or three. Him and I think Dr. Ian, but he got in trouble. So he doesn't post anymore. So his, to me, his signature was always the ring dinger. Like what, can you explain actually what

that, what that is and what's going on with that? Yeah. So what it is, is he's pinning your hips into place, like your pelvis. And then he's, he's giving a decompressive thrust, you know, long axis along your spine. So, you know, in a normal manipulation, like what's taught in PT and chiro and osteopathic school, the vast majority of the manipulations are taught are for what are called the Z joints or the facet joints that are on the side of your neck and your back. When those get stuck, they cause pretty acute pain. But you also have intervertebral joints in your spine. So those are between the discs and the vertebra themselves. themselves. And the way that we're taught manipulations in PT, chiro, osteopathic school,

there isn't really any moves, maybe an occipital lift that are, that are taught that could unlock intervertebral joints. And so decompression is one way to do that. So if it's a dismal thing, you would just use the machine, but if the joint itself is stuck, you'd need a high velocity, low amplitude thrust. And so this dude came up with this table and, and, you know, started doing long axis tractions, uh, with this table and the, in the curve, like lifting your legs up, it takes out the lordosis. So you don't lose your force at the apex of the curvatures so that it goes, you know, all the way to the lumbosacral junction in particular. Um, so he's another guy when I saw it, I was like, Oh man, I don't know. This looks aggressive. Yada, yada, yada. But again, having been proven wrong so many times, let me go down there and check it out and have him do it to me. And the first time, I don't know if he thought that I was out to make him look bad or something

or whatever. He was definitely suspicious because a lot of people talk trash on him, obviously. I'm not that guy. So he adjusted me and I played college football, so I was always smashing people with my head. And from all the soft tissue and rehab and cortisone shots over the years, I had this spot on the left side of my neck. And turns out it was the intervertebral joint and nobody had really been able to get it. And that first time he did that, that's that joint opened up and like it's never been stuck since. And then, yeah, so I'm like, OK, cool. And then, you know, I do a lot of seated shoulder press. because I'm lazy and I don't want to carry dumbbells and shit around. So I'm like, all right, let up the machine.

But one of the downsides to that, of course, is your ass is tucked underneath you and the force is all going from your pelvis upwards. You're not getting any bed in your knees. So your mid thoracic spine can get compressed if you're trying to go heavy. And so I've been jacking myself up at my thoracolumbar junction and like twinging my back and it would kind of go out and my therapist would work on me and nobody could really get it to turn the corner. So I went back down to see him again and he did the old ring dinger on me again. And basically it's been fixed ever since.

Ring dinger strikes again. It's so good to know that the ring dinger is, is really all it's cracked up to be. Got a bone to pick with you on that one oh you probably used that one before haven't you of course i do i'm a chiropractor so i think i think he like in a video i think he suffers from a couple things is one is he wants to talk really fancy about it you know and two obviously his twang for whatever reason you know that's the way we judge people you know we think all british people sound intelligent they have to be on every single

discovery channel documentary they do you know russell brand is out here sounding like an intellect or something but but you know yeah gregory johnson or or you know any of these folks uh what's his name uh Who was a comedian? Do you remember there was the four hillbilly comedians they had on the show? Larry the Cable Guy. Yeah. So in our culture, when we hear a twang like that, we're like, oh, that guy's not very smart. Speaking of this, I did see a Get Her Done sticker on a car today.

It's been a while, but I did see one today. If they have a Get Her Done on one side and a buddy on the other side i would like to bring that back actually but uh i think that's a great idea i think you know actually i would tanner i would counter your argue or i would counter what you said there with in south dakota it never really left yeah People are still getting their down, aren't they? It's God's country, folks. Do you guys know Devin Clark? That sounds familiar, but that just sounds like a familiar name. So I'm not sure.

That's a pretty generic name. Do you guys know Matt Smith? Yeah, Matt. I think a couple of them. Who is Devin Clark? Yeah, he's a UFC fighter. He's in Sioux Falls. He's a heavyweight guy, but big, strong cat. I think he deadlifts

like 600 or whatever. He's probably somebody you guys want to pick up at some point. Is he competitive in that level then? He just knocked some dude out of the heavyweight in his heavyweight debut. He's got three trunks for legs. He used to train down here at Jackson Wink where my main office is.

I'm not sure where he's training now, but he's out of Sioux Falls. We'll have to find out where he's training at. Maybe get him up to the northeast corner of the state. There you go. Have you thought about incorporating the ring dinger into your repertoire at all? Gregory gave

me a table and I do use it occasionally. Serving out some ring dingers of your own you know the old ring dinger so um he he customized the table he works with uh hill one of the manufacturers so like people can buy his table when he's doing certification uh courses so just like anything it's a tool it has its place it's not going to fix everybody, but like, so if I've got somebody that's got a lumbosacral fixation or something like that, I mean, I don't have a better tool to get to that. So we'll go to that, you know, just like I would

with, you know, Graston or like I would with dry needling. So, you know, like with anything, it's finding the right tool for the right ailment and just having another tool just in case, you know, I find that very beneficial. So yeah, I actually have a lot of respect for Greg. I mean, he's been doing this longer than I've done alive. You know, he, he graduated chiropractic school in like 1981. Yeah, that is old. So, but he, you know, I mean, he's, um, when people, when people talk trash on him on YouTube videos, I mean, you could go into the comments. I think he said he's seen 200,000 patients or something like that. He's helped a lot of people,

and they're in their comments fighting on behalf of him. It may not be the most aesthetically pleasing presentation or whatever in the world, but I think the results matter. Obviously, it's not for everybody, but for the people that he helped, it helped. We've got this special little game we play with every guest. It's called Overrated Underrated. You can probably assume what's going to happen next, but we've got this special set of big bow topics that are hand-picked just for you, and it's your job to decide if each one is overrated or underrated, and you have

your druthers to elaborate as much or as little as you'd like on each one but you just have to remember there's no riding the line that's the key takeaway here is you can't ride the line you have to ultimately decide whether each one is Switzerland allowed nope not today so if you're something that access is that the wrong

side yeah I don't know yes it's the wrong time the access is the power side? Shit. Yeah, I don't know. Yes, it's the wrong side. The axis of power, yeah. Allies. Allies, there we go. Okay, so overrated or underrated? MC Hammer's

1990 hit, You Can't Touch This. Hammer time. That's overrated. Definitely. Even with the hammer time? Yeah, it's completely overrated. The pants were ridiculous. Hammer, I mean, music was weird at that time. So you had these weird pop crossovers

that were really taking away from actual public enemy. You had Hammer and Vanilla Ice and Milly Vanilly and shit. But I will say this, the lead up to Too Legit to Quit, people won't understand the, you guys are too young for this too, the lead up to too legit to quit, uh, people won't understand the, you guys are too young for this too. The cultural importance of that music video. If you've never watched it, it feels epic because of the time it was epic. Um, turns out it was a letdown and hammers music is just really not that good, but you

know, coming off of hammer time, we were really excited to see what else there was. And, uh, we were better off listening to two live crew. That's a good answer. answer okay overrated or underrated franco colombo that's look at that reference that's pretty good yes completely underrated um you know somebody who was a incredibly strong you know in the powerlifting department and aesthetically just incredible you know really close to to on par with Arnold to speak just short. Um, and of course, if the audience isn't listening, yes, Frank, who Colombo was a chiropractor. Yeah.

That's the, that's the great tie in here. Yes. Yes. I knew. So I was like, all right, you guys, well done. Well done. Uh, significantly better bodybuilder than Lou Ferrigno. Right.

And, uh, yeah, RIP, man. RIP. Arguably as good as, you know, at the time of like pumping iron and everything, arguably as good of a bodybuilder as Arnold, just small, you know, just, he didn't have the height. Exactly. Both those guys, their chests were just crazy at the time, their bicep peaks. But yeah.

And if you get the same size, then the mass monster, the taller guys, it's going to beat you. Have you ever heard anything about his chiropractic care? I'm just curious. Just what Arnold has said about him, but yeah, not too much. Okay. Was Arnold a fan? The ultimate warrior was actually in chiropractic school when he dropped out to become the ultimate warrior. Really?

Wow. Yeah. I would not have guessed that one. actually in chiropractic school uh when he dropped out to become the ultimate warrior really oh yeah i would not have guessed that one so one of the guys who was in his school was like yeah he was crazy back then too he had a brand new corvette and crashed it and just left it there on the side of the road and walked off i was like yeah that sounds about on par for the warrior yes it's funny you mentioned uh the funny pants and mc hammers uh music video earlier and you kind of mentioned about your general age so overrated or underrated janko jeans oh my god yeah completely overrated i mean like did you own any i was not allowed to own it okay yeah so maybe i'm being biased because i'm salty because i didn't i wasn't able to to you know get a whole small pack of animals inside my pants and smuggle them within the school

um but yeah the super long you know pockets and like like people were hiding their shoes i mean the amount of money people spend on their easies and jordans these days and you're over there hiding your shoes under the most massive gene that ever existed i mean just just very disappointing yeah my i had very strict parents so like the best i could get were like levi loose fit just buy them up yeah man so i didn't get them so i could be a little bit saltyish because i wasn't allowed to have them but i'm gonna go way overrated yeah Yeah, I was a little too young to, I mean, I remember people having them, but I was not old enough at the time

to have JNCO jeans for sure. Now you should just order some used ones just so you have them. I'll have those yet. They will be mine. Take those in their town and see what kind of looks you get. It's funny.

Those will probably be in style. Everything's cyclical. You know, you assume, because even baggier stuff is coming around. But like you said, the problem with baggy pants is they hide your really expensive shoes. So that's why I just have a hard time believing those will ever make a full comeback. Right, right. Or like, you know, if you're a gym dude and you spend all your time working on your wheels, you're like, yeah, look at these perfectly cylindrical pants that you could never see any shape from the hours that i spent in there

on the hack squad lunges yes let me hide them uh you're uh i guess i don't know where you're you played uh college football for what was it new mexico state or you what yeah i played two years at colorado state and three years at University of New Mexico. University of New Mexico. You're practicing in Albuquerque now, is that right? Yeah, that's our main office. Okay, so overrated or underrated Breaking Bad?

Can it be underrated? Because I feel like the cultural impact is humongous. That's the thing about overrated, underrated. Boy, I'm going to say underrated? Because I feel like the cultural impact is humongous. That's the thing about underrated. Boy, I'm going to say underrated. The first three seasons are just crazy good. And then the last season was like, they finished the show the way they're supposed to. You've got fucking Game of Thrones out here just shitting the bed like Amber Heard. What are we doing, guys? Are you just going to rush through because you don't have any source material? fucking Game of Thrones out here just shit in the bed like Amber Heard. Yes.

What are we doing, guys? You're just going to rush through because you don't have any source material? We have all this buildup, and then you're just going to kill the white walker just out of nowhere, and then what's-her-name just goes crazy and just burns the whole village down? What are we doing? Seven, eight years of investment people had in HBO, and you're just going to just throw it right in our faces right at the end. like what are we doing you seven eight years of investment people had in hbo and you're just gonna just throw it right in our faces right at the end yeah eight years of build up for two episodes of conclusion yeah yeah unreal man the disappointment is palpable yeah yeah breaking bad is a great show and uh like bob odenkirk is a patient of ours he comes in all the time uh from better call saul

yeah yeah that's cool so he lives here full timetime now, and he's been coming into our office for five or six years now. He's a burqueño is what we call people that live here. Are you familiar with the phrase, a wrong turn at Albuquerque? I am. Bugs Bunny, I think, coined that phrase. For anyone that doesn't know. Philosopher Bugs Bunny.

Does anyone ever bust that out? You know, do you hear, is that a commonly heard phrase around Albuquerque at all? No, definitely not. But there's plenty of places that are wrong turns around here. Trust me.

There's crackheads, meth heads, gang violence. Yeah. I think we're number one in the country in violent crime or, or total crime. Well, yeah,

I saw breaking bad. So I don't know. You already know. I don't know if that's what Bugs Bunny had in mind, but I guess it works, doesn't it? Yeah, and it became a self-fulfilling prophecy eventually, I suppose. Okay, this is the last one, and we always save the best for last, usually the most important.

Typically, your performance on the whole game rides on the last one, so no pressure here, but hopefully you don't crack under pressure. Overrated or underrated? Overrated or underrated Del Taco? Oh. Overrated, underrated, Del Taco. I'm going to say underrated.

I'm going to say underrated. When my sweet tooth is kicking in, the churros is a go-to they got the donut bites uh the combo burrito the ground beef and the bean burrito is fantastic um i'm a little disappointed they don't have the macho taco or macho burrito anymore so you know a little little shaded del taco plus most of them are open 24 hours so in a crunch you you need some ground beef. Del Taco is there for you. We do not have Del Taco. They do not exist in this part of the country. Really? You don't know what I'm talking about.

You guys don't have churros. We have another fine eatery around these places called Taco John's. They have churros. In Colorado, they exist there. Taco John's is a recurring theme on this podcast

actually at this point. Nachos Navidad is a favorite and six-pack and a pound often comes up. Often spoken of highly on this podcast. How does Del Taco rate in comparison to Taco John's?

Del Taco is better than Taco John's. That's? Yeah. Del Taco is better than Dr. John's. Okay. Jeez. That's high praise. All right. Del Taco. It really is underrated.

Then you are. You are kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Del Taco is pretty legit, man. Um, yeah.

How would I even describe Del Taco? I mean, it's hard to hear. Like, so it's a lot harder. There's a lot more meat and everything than say like a Taco Bell. Plus they have like steak and yeah, it's, it's goodier like so it's a lot harder there's a lot more meat and everything than say like a taco bell plus they have like steak and yeah it's good stuff man there's one right over by my house and like it's the only thing open late at night so it's right near a homeless shelter so as you're waiting in line you know people are throwing feces near your car and you know so it's like

dinner and a show yeah but it's totally worth it when you get that combo burrito and the donut bites. You know, you've got to live it up a little bit every once in a while. Yeah. Well, we're going to add it on our list. I'll take you there late night and you can see what the show's about. We'll really find out about this whole better than Taco John's business for ourselves. All right. The challenge has been uh thrown down

the gauntlet has been there all right awesome uh looks like uh if we tally up the scores looks like you passed overrated underrated so great news there and that uh because you passed that means we actually will air this episode also lightweight baby lightweight yeah buddy uh bo i i have one favorite ask of you quick what you got, so it was about two years ago. My good buddy Kevin was actually the one that introduced me to you. And just by chance today is Kevin's birthday. Could you give Kevin a birthday shout out? And he doesn't have a listener.

What's going on, my man? Appreciate you introducing to the content. Hopefully we crack you up a little bit. You know, one of the favorite drugs that chiropractors enjoy is a joint. And, uh, you know, we want to arm people with jokes that are humorous. So we usually use the arm bone. I think that's about all I got. That was really good. That's great. That's amazing. That was a plus. You should get a cameo profile if you don't have one already. You get paid for this stuff. Yeah, I can't do Cameo. Awesome, though. We really appreciate you taking the time and coming on.

This was a lot of fun for us. Yeah, no worries, man. I started perusing your page a little bit. I'm like, these guys have a good sense of humor. All right, let's do this. We like to have a silly goose time, as we would usually say. We like to have fun. And today was no exception.

We had a lot of fun. Those damn Canadian geese. Yes. They're ornery. Yeah, they leave human-sized turds and they attack you. They run at you. They're migrating right now and they're in my backyard all the time.

They're huge too. There's an enormous bird. You guys live a risky life up there. Danger. Danger everywhere. Danger everywhere. Awesome. Well, Bo, we appreciate it.

Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you for that, guys. Is there anywhere else? Anywhere that obviously check you out on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok? Is there anything else that people need to know or need to do? I don't think so. I mean, if you guys want to watch our videos,

I appreciate it. And yeah, otherwise, keep listening to this podcast. Best advice we've heard all night. There it is. All right. Thanks, man. The gold came at the end. Subscribe.

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Awesome. Alright, thanks. Thank you. Alright boys, take care. See ya. Cool beans. Cool beans. Beans. Cool beans. Gave him the Del Taco cool beans. The double Del Taco cool beans. That's when you don't eat them fast enough and they get cold on you. From Del Taco. Eat great, even late.

Del Taco. Is that right? No, I think it's Feliz Navidad. Oh, yeah. Feliz Navidad. Do they have the Whiplash the Cowboy Monkey? Is that Del Taco? They should actually look into poaching his talent.

They probably have seven pack in a pound. Seven pack and 1.1 pounds. Seven pack and a kilo. They just kind of one-upped all of it. Also a drug reference for a drug-ridden New Mexico. A kilo of potatoes. Because a pound is just not enough. Yes.

Good stuff. Yeah, that was fun. That was a lot of fun. He has a surprisingly level-headed outlook on things. He gets it. It's fun to talk to people that are like that. He's obviously a smart fella, isn't he? Yeah, you can tell for sure.

He knows what he's up to. And I don't just mean like he, obviously he's academically seasoned. You don't just mean he has a lot of letters behind his name. No, no. I mean, you know, you can just tell by the way, when someone can have a conversation in that way and flow with things

and be well-versed on everything they're doing, you just know that they have a well, well, they're running, have a well-oiled machine over there. And also when I can hear someone, someone eloquently discuss uh understanding the algorithm and appealing to it and also not just blaming it not just blaming it and also not getting mad at uh online comments and what was the other thing when he was like uh what was he talking about being level-headed or i don't know we talked about

so much in there there's one other thing he said that i just can't get over del taco now that's all i can think about i would like to eat great even late i'm thinking outside the bun yes bong yeah the taco bell thing since it's a bell all right very good episode um if we say so if we were to review ourselves honestly i'm gonna say real good episode you know we didn't talk about this before the podcast but uh next week the week that this comes out would be the week of the 19th i grabbed these pieces of paper like they were a calendar and i quickly realized that was and also the then the week after that would be the 26th we're going to what's the week after the 26th that is all the way into the next month that gets in and i i i describe week weeks by

their thursday date yeah which is that's's Masonomics speak for when we do drops. Or when things are relevant. Yeah. But are we going to do a drop on the 26th? Well, let's give or take a week. Okay. Yeah. And when I say that, I mean the 19th or the 26th.

Right. But the 19th would be the week of this coming out. That seems too soon, doesn't it? That does seem pretty, you know, that would be. But the 26th seems kind of late. If only there was a day between the 19th and the 19th would be the week of this coming out. That seems too soon, doesn't it? That does seem pretty soon. You know, that would be... But the 26th seems kind of late. If only there was a day between the 19th and the 26th. There's not. We only know days in terms of Thursdays.

I know. Because that's arbitrarily where we landed on. Somewhat arbitrarily, I suppose, not entirely. Well, there'll be a drop coming sometime soon here. Yeah. Stay on the lookout. Maybe some more warm weather items in there. Ooh, hello.

It is that people commented on us both wearing shorts here. Yeah, because it is. Well, I shouldn't say that there's not crazy weather. There was a tornado the other day. Yes, I was at a wedding, a large wedding dance. You were. Okay, we have not talked about this. Yes.

I went out to eat. I was getting ready to leave the the restaurant and i couldn't because there was like 70 mile an hour winds and rain that was coming straight sideways yeah if for this being a weather podcast it's weird we waited till now to discuss the tornado from this week but uh i told there was one that touched down apparently yeah south of town yeah we were in a big uh you know wedding convention the deck for those of you familiar with the deck we were at the deck and everyone had to like go back into the hallways and all the stuff that i'm questioning what's actually safer even here and like oh the illusion of safety yeah yeah and part of me in that situation is like, boy. Just freaking ended. It's like, I don't know if it matters if we're in this room or that room,

but all right, we'll try it. You know, like. Okay, yeah, they put like a, like there was a few extra two by fours when they put this room together. Right, right. One less piece of glass. But so no, no casualties to the tornado, I guess, right? Yeah, we were all good. Well, I did notice there's been

two casualties lately though um there was a row of tree at the row of trees at the gym and they cut everyone down well one snapped off i noticed so they cut the whole row down well one snapped off a week ago tuesday another one was snapped off they must be at the end of their life cycle pretty much then well and then i are sorry uh monday another one snapped off so then on tuesday when i went to the gym i noticed that just no there was no survivors i don't know if that was necessary to cut them all down they kind of in about a month here they actually looked really nice yeah um and we you know we like trees are not bad things you know especially in this part of the country right there's so few trees i noticed it today for the first time, and I thought,

boy, did you need to cut every one down. Yeah, now you get a great view of just the railroad tracks and the industrial park. Yeah. There was always about a month where I thought, the Masonomics Gym parking lot looks pretty nice right now. We used to do a strongman event training out there. We did a lot of photos. I really thought that that was a mistake to cut to clean cut swath the trees i don't know if they just assumed that just

every week another one's gonna go down but unfortunately lately we've been getting 50 mile an hour gusts every other week so it's just yeah but it is it has actually warmed up now hasn't it it has i today was the first day in i't know, seven or eight months that I put on a pair of shorts and I was comfortable the entire day. Yeah, perfect timing because we have, possibly have some warmer weather things coming soon, just in time for the warmer weather that has come. Spring has really sprung now finally, hasn't it? Well, yeah, it has.

There's been a lot of rain too, though. The grass has grown like crazy. lot of rain too though the grass is growing like crazy i'm so screwed on the grass your grass is i noticed your name your neighbor just mowed yeah down to the both of mine just did and mine is like i don't know there's spots where it blows in the wind like the wind blows and i can see the grass move and uh i'm really dreading that i mowed on sunday and today's wednesday went'm like, holy cow, it looks like I didn't even mow. In just three days, it has just so fast. It's like that second week in May, everything grass-related.

It gets super green over here, like almost overnight. Everything goes from dead to really green and looking good. And then give it about a month, and then things will be burnt up. There's been no need for the old sprinkler system not yet mother nature started yours yet no because i'm like i don't know what i would do it for it rains every day no keep that sucker off yeah no need to make this mowing thing more of a habit i mean i don't mow my own lawn anyway i pay someone to do it but pay some poor sucker to do that for you so i guess what am i complaining about speaking of things that are really good to pay for i was thinking about the strength co

and they're made in america iron olympic plates that they have were you thinking of maybe like the 35 specifically i love the 35s we showcased those yeah that we showcased those last time uh my favorite what what size plate of the strength plates is your favorite because there's the one and a quarters the 2.5 fives times 35 45s could even be the people were talking about the way i say you know how 100 pound plates people would say hundo i say hondu you do i guess i say hondu i kind of say that i've just as like a silly goose thing i've said but it's like saying warsh i've jokingly said warsh sometimes so so silly so many times that sometimes actually you just say warsh oh yeah we say that all the time here because

it's like i it gets uh it gets boring enough saying the same word yeah yeah put a little spice on the warsh a little yeah good accent now i can't even uh hondo hondo hondo and i say was saying hondu okay yeah my favorite one it's tough the 45 i just feel like when people are talking about plates the 45 is the gold standard right yeah it's hard for that not to be the favorite because it's the biggest it's the one you're handling well there is hondos well yeah i personally don't like handling hondos that's not my thing what would you say you don't like anything i don't prefer to handle the hondo like hondos hondos whatever you want to say um potato potato yeah uh there's that's a lot of play because i don't start at a i don't start at

245 that's not where i warm up at and i don't want to warm up set on bench yeah exactly i don't prefer to put 45s on clear just to put 100s on yeah uh so that's that's not mine so i'd probably say 45 and then i might put a tie in between the 35 and the 25 for my runner up. What would you say? It's really hard not to say the 45s. Yeah, it is.

That's like the standard. But if you take the 45s out of the equation, okay, if they were going to take the 45s of the equation, I did just say 25 and 35. Even. Yeah, I probably would put the 35 ahead just on the novelty. Yeah. like the tens the tens are cool too i really you know the fives and the

two and a halves and one of course they almost get too small they're almost too little they're almost too cute to be taken seriously right i but the strength coat tens i think the strength coat tens might be the most underrated plate size of all the strength coat plates i would buy that argument of being underrated yeah i i think most taken for granted that's for sure i enjoy that we have this in-depth i'm going on this different size plate i you know i'm just gonna put it out there grant when we give out our 2022 massonomics awards at the end of the year he does have a forerunner for the most taken for granted plate um yeah yeah yeah unless some new competitor shows up he might run away with that right right interesting well to get some of your own you can buy all sizes or any combination of sizes

i was just on the site buy them all and and just see what one you think is most underrated. Just get one of each. I'm sure they will definitely take orders that way. And you can buy one of each at the Strength Co. They are a company, Co. Check them out. We do actually really love their plates. Good stuff. We love all sizes.

They are the best. But we do not love them all equally, as you just heard. Is there anyone else today? Oh, yeah. There's one more. Did you have something? Oh. What's this hiding here?

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I just saw you putting your phone up to your ear like you were listening to something, and it made me think of the other day, something came to mind for me. Remember when you got that voicemail? That's what I was just doing. No. That's what I was just going to find.

Go ahead and finish your second okay okay that's really crazy i i don't know why this entered my brain yeah i don't know maybe someone mentioned the discord maybe that's what made it someone did a month a while ago okay this was this was like four days ago yeah i was unloading the dishwasher and for whatever reason into my mind i a thought popped in and that was at one point about five years ago, Tanner got a voicemail and it was from a very old sounding lady that said, this is how I remember it. I don't think I've ever heard it since this day on the podcast,

which would probably be before episode 50. I believe she said, uh, does your gym have the full body vibrating machines? Thanks. And that's how I remember the voicemail now whether that's actually how it went or not i don't think i'm that far off but i haven't heard it since that day so well the fact that you're doing that is insane to me right now we're in luck because i

did just find it and that's literally when you when you what what i was doing was looking to see if i could find that because i never deleted it. That is crazy. I don't know how we were both on the same page. I just have to remember how to put these headphones back on. I'll put that. So here it is. Do you want to plug it in? Yes, this is from... Feed it right into the system.

I think we played this back. Yeah, we did. It has to be before episode 50, doesn't it? This is from September of 2016. And when did we start? March 2016? Yep. So it'd be a

not even six months in okay or about six months in I was kind of distracted because I was trying to find it but you explained it pretty you gave it a precursor this is somebody that randomly got my number and had a question for the gym and hopefully if there's a name or something that comes up that I'll stop before it gets

to name I can't remember because I haven't listened to this. But here goes. Hi. I was wondering if you could tell me if your gym has any of the whole body vibration machines. Give me a call back and let me know, please. The number is.

So there it was still have it I will not delete that ever it's probably been through a couple different phones at this point well we do have a true form runner that's getting closer you can vibrate your full body that's getting closer

maybe you should return that call sorry ma'am I know you did leave this message uh approximately six years ago but i just felt bad about never getting back i've been so busy i'm just getting around to this you know with everything that's been going on i'm so sorry you wouldn't believe what i've been going through over here yeah uh and actually along those lines we were talking about this i was at the gym the other day it was popping man uh it's not too often i can go to the gym and i knew one person there there was like 10 people there and i knew one of them yeah i don't think that's ever happened in the gym and i'm asking

you about this and you knew who the people were and they're all new i usually just need a description and i can always uh yeah i usually i pride myself on being able to figure it out you can usually narrow it down pretty quick by just a few words. It's kind of like a little guess who game. We could almost do a guess who gym edition. Yeah, where you describe him and live on air. I'm like, okay. And I ask you follow-up questions.

Okay. Yeah. Was he like over? Was he about your height or not? Okay. How old do you think he was? Was he in his 20s or his 30s? Does it look like he lifts?

Yeah. Yes. Dark hair? Was he in his 20s or his 30s? Does it look like he lifts? Dark hair? Did he have a beard? Oh, he was wearing the blue lift tee. Okay. I kind of know which guy. He had this t-shirt. Oh, yeah.

I know what t-shirts. I personally know what Masonomics t-shirts he has. That actually was the first way I described someone. He had this shirt on. You go, oh, yeah, yeah. That's so and so. that'll be future segment guess who was that mass tommy describes a gym member and tanner guesses in as few as few as few clues as possible i can guess that gym member actually no no this is what it is it's like guess who you say all right just your member is your member over your member yeah is your is your is your person over six feet tall and i say yes and then i flip down all larry and uh adam and yep you flip down all the people

yeah does your does your person have tattoos yes oh i'm starting to see it right now just off those two i'm starting to develop some uh now. Just off those two. I'm starting to develop some. I've already got I've already got a guest. Are they in the OG stack of lockers? Yes. Oh, yeah. It's flying. Ryan underscore D.

Obviously, in that case. I mean, is there anyone else that would fit that? No, that's actually. That's actually. In my mind when I was doing that. Right. Underscore D. Wow.

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The sooner, the better that you get on. And it's just a lot of fun, I think, right? It is fun. It's like a community. If you don't know about Discord, it doesn't matter. You'll pick it up in 30 minutes and then you'll be like, oh, yes, I now understand Discord. And I think you'll have a lot of fun if you like massonomics that's a great thing to do and then giving us a five-star review

on apple podcasts that would be great it presumably helps something uh rate us on what's the green one spotify what's the green icon on my phone that i don't use it's spotify um give us a five star rating there and more importantly tell a friend about the podcast get someone else involved yeah like literally speak to someone maybe at the gym that you go to be like hey do you like podcasts well how you like them fucking apples yeah and show them the massonomics podcast there's a good chance if they go if your friend or someone you know goes to the gym, we've probably had at least one or two people on that they would find interesting. Yep. And once they get that first hit, there's no going back.

One of the new gym members, he was from New Jersey, he joined up and he goes, like one of the first things he says, like, oh, I always saw those shirts around New Jersey, but I didn't know it was actually a gym. He's like, that's pretty cool that I go here now. I'm like, it is cool. Yep. It is cool. This is some roundabout way

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I should watch it again. I'd probably have a new outlook on it. Probably really appreciate it even more. Now you'll be like, ah, if you're not first, you're last. Now I get it. It's a racing thing. I like racing now. That makes sense, finally.

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