Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 324: Dan Hipkiss Coach of The World's Strongest Man

Episode Date: June 20, 2022

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It's a real deal here uh so go out and get yourself some if that i mean i don't know how much more we can add to what you know that there's not really a whole lot we can do besides say we approve yeah we it gets our stamp the massonomics seal of approval very good the strength co tanner i just saw something in here that really made me laugh and big alex said if if an ink and an LLC both hit a golf ball into a windshield, who is responsible? That is a great question. We're going to get to that, though. We're going to give an update on that story.

Everyone wants an update on that. We will provide an update on the golf ball thing. I do got to say another thing that I also. Maybe we won't talk about it for 20 minutes yeah maybe we'll just keep a couple minutes maybe we won't even talk about it this time but one thing that uh gives give it brings me a lot of enjoyment is knowing that we have two products sitting just off camera that we can see no one else can see yeah that's what off camera means and they're not even in the next drop they're in drops drops into the future drops and i'm both of these are so cool i'm so excited for both these products

what i'd say about them you know one of them is really fun and people are going to get some laughs out of it and a few well actually both of them are really fun yeah but one of them is really fun and like some people will like it will like it, ha, that's funny, and I'm going to buy one. The other one is killer, and people are going to be like, no shit, you sons of bitches did it. I still actually can't tell which product you're referring to for which one there, Tanner, because to me that fits both of them. That's actually true.

It's just the same for both. I do think, you know, in one in particular, people would be like, huh, you sons of bitches actually pulled it off, didn't you? And we are going to pull it off. And the fact that neither one of these items are t-shirts makes it even more exciting. Nope. Wouldn't want to wear those in my upper body. Nope.

These are not upper body things, that's for sure. Okay. We do have quite a bit of stuff this week. We're also phoning a friend all the way our farthest it's gonna be our farthest uh interview in it yeah right yeah i don't think we've ever we've gone international to canadia but you're right you're right i kind of thought in my head that we called europe before but i don't think we have yeah wow okay this is the first all right uh well geez we got a lot to cover that this is probably this is up there i shouldn't I don't think we have. Yeah. Wow. Okay. That's the first. All right.

Well, geez, we got a lot to cover that. This is probably this is up there. I shouldn't say the latest, but this is up there with the latest we have ever recorded a podcast to Jonathan's is probably the latest we've ever done when he came here. I feel like we didn't get done recording that podcast like midnight. It was pretty late, wasn't it? I think so. So this one's on somewhat of that same timeline for us. It'll be close to midnight but so hopefully we can really bring our a game yeah keep it together i think we can do it all right where should we jump in here the deep end straight to

the deep end that's where we're jumping to uh we do actually have a quite a few uh topics that we wanted to hit here too didn't we um you know jumping into the lifting world yeah just give people a little lifting thing right off the bat so mega us apl nationals went on also ipf worlds went on in conjunction with each other there and very odd timing was that intentional i don't know and And if so, I don't know who someone picked first, I'm sure. So I'm not sure how intentional it was or wasn't. And I didn't watch either of the live streams of these two events. I certainly picked up some stuff from Instagram here and there. And I'm always curious about the live streams and how that's working and stuff.

And I did hear quite a few comments that the IPf live stream was a lot better was it than the usap l live stream and i don't know well enough to describe exactly how or why that is but i did see quite a few memes and comments about like the graphics they used at usap l mega nationals that they must have been i don't know did you take away from it that the graphics were really cheesy? That's what I got. And that being used all the time. Something along the lines of getting a strike at the bowling alley. Right, right, right.

Yeah, someone says USAPL livestream sucked. Dong. I feel like they usually bring their A game when it comes to that. Maybe I'm just thinking that. Yeah. That's not the case. Well, maybe it's really the IPF to maybe I'm just thinking that. Yeah. That's not the case. Well, maybe it's really the IPF that's bringing the A game on the live stream. Maybe that is the case.

As far as winners and stuff like that – There was some. There was a bunch of winners. I don't know if – just like USAPL Nationals, is there anything – you know, Russ won. So he beat Angelo Fortino and sean noriega both friends of the podcast um that bob do you know the this the bob guy he won the 220 he won like best overall i think he totaled 2050 he's like uh instagram handle for people that follow us ap pl closely they're gonna laugh at

like us not knowing this but he uh is like bob matthews is his name shout out to big keith for popping that in there and i don't know his instagram handle is like sj bob or something like that super strong and i actually looked at his open power lifting history if you look at his meat progress has it just been steady oh it's just he's done like five meets his first one was like a 16 something total then he's like 17 18 19 now he's like 2050 and it sure seems like he could be the future of uh or actually just the present of you know kind of strongest in the USAPL. Right up there with Ashton Ruska. I think he actually beat Ashton on whatever formula that they use. Ashton won his weight class, but this guy's lighter.

So by formula. Yeah, by formula. I don't know if I've actually... I'm sure I've probably seen a highlight of the guy. The name didn't click, so it didn't register. I guess he's the real McCoy, though, is uh take away from pay more attention there yeah and then i saw big bryce bryce lewis friend of the podcast yes guest he got second i think to him or wait no he's in the weight class but i think bryce lewis competed in like 198 yeah he

dropped down yeah i know and i know he was talking about that at the time and that just that seems like a super light weight class for him to be down in 198 oh especially when he was uh you know filling out what 228 or whatever the line was there before so those were just some of those takeaways that i noticed from us apl um us apl mega nationals okay this uh was this ssj bob or was it in the 83s the guy that oh no that was at ipf worlds the guy that deadlifted like it was eight something did you see that no um god i thought for sure i thought for sure i would remember this but i believe it was at in the 83s at ipf worlds there was a guy that deadlifted in the 800s which is insane yeah uh wow big andrew says he was a junior too that guy was also a junior it's very impressive that is very impressive yeah Yeah, so IPF Worlds. Amanda Lawrence won her class, not surprising there.

Big Jessica. I guess I don't want to spoil too much for supporting our sporting members, but no secret, she won also. But she had a good day, too. Yeah, she also won. Any other? I mean, to be honest, I didn't really pay much attention to ipf worlds so me either just didn't catch much of it you know with everything going on with everything going on it's

tricky so that's our wrap-up of the power lifting meets for the weekend uh biggest takeaways funny at the least that those are on the same weekend. Yeah. There's 52 weeks in a year. They could have picked anyone. Also, why is like... Here's... Okay. I did have one.

Here's my hot take on... I was looking up the results of mega nationals. Someone look up the weight classes for what USA, what are the lightest weight classes here? Because in the men's open, they need to get rid of the lightest two weight classes. There does not need to be a 113 pound men's weight class for men's raw open. There was one person.

No. Yeah. No. In the standings for open uh and then the one above that they also need to get rid of that there was like two people that did it and then you go to like that third up and then there's a list of people so yeah they need to drop those two also like or at the very least consolidate, like the smaller guys I know at, that I see around lifting what couldn't even think about touching 120 pounds.

Yeah. Like, I mean the, like you're dealing with like complete physical oddities to even find anyone to like be a grown male to like, I know lifting those weight classes. Yeah. Like I think maybe the third one's like one 32 and like, okay, that's fine to me. Yeah, you can find people that are 132. They need to, in the sake of like paring this down a little bit,

well, get rid of those. To be a guy that's not like 14 years old, but to be a guy that's an adult and lifts weights, so presumably you have muscle muscle mass and to like weigh less than what was the lightest one you said one i i think it was in the teens i don't know it was like really yeah basically under five feet tall to even make that a physical possibility and i'm like is it hampering those by making the minimum weight class like 130 i'm like

i don't know get a little bigger i'm not talking about being like obese i'm like i think you could train up to 130 pounds yeah yeah it's and plus and my what backs us up other than it just seeming ridiculous to me is there was nobody in those classes so there we go that is that yeah that's the big so get rid of them if no one if you can't find people that could actually fill those out at all it seems why do they exist at all that's insanity isn't it like that's i could see if this was an ipf thing where you're talking all of the world now all right you have a bigger pool to pull from but when especially right now usapl is mostly just america yeah uh and even that it's sort of a subsect of the natural power lifting yeah thing yeah huh so that that actually was my one uh hottest take on those just that i

came across that and i'm like that seems ridiculous all right yeah yeah along those lines you did mention bryce lewis he USAPL National Governing Body Meetings. And he usually does a pretty good job of putting notes from it in his story. And just by chance, I caught some of the notes he had. He writes out quite a bit. And I screenshotted a few of these. A few things really stood out to me as interesting here. And he said, from the president's address

the federation is on track for the most drug tests per year of any year currently at 1100 pre-national as of may okay um and 27 2700 is the most per year okay whatever sure they do a lot of drug testing but now that they're not in the ipf that means that they the the federation has about an extra quarter of a million dollars per year to work with it's like yeah okay we knew the ipf was insanely expensive um this this number surprised me though he said running nationals is the largest line item for the federation as far as the biggest expense yes um collegiates and mega nationals each are, what's your guess for how much those meats cost to run?

$100,000? No. Is it? More. Oh. Total between the two, each one? Each one costs this amount. So I'm guessing that.

$250? More. Whoa. Oh. It's'm guessing that. 250? More. Whoa. Oh. It's got to be. I hope it's under half a million. He said collegiates and mega nationals each cost $400,000 to $500,000 to run. That's wild.

That is wild. I guess there's a ton of people and it is like 70 weeks long. And, and it's like in Vegas, it's a big venue, but it said collegiate nationals broke even, which is also kind of crazy. Yeah.

And he said, mega nationals did not quite break even, but damn broke even on a half million dollars. Like how many people, where are you making all this money from it? This damn, you know, everyone pays their meat fee to even be in,

but they have like, God knows how many lifters, you know, I have like, Where are you making all this money from at this damn event? Everyone pays their meat fee to even be in. But they have like God knows how many lifters. Is there like 500 people lifting at Megan Ashton's? But even if they had, what does it cost? It probably costs a lot. Say it's 100. But if you said it's 100. There's 500 of them. Even if you said there's 1,000 people, it's only $100,000.

Right. Where does the other 300,000 come from? Event t-shirts? I don't know. Those numbers don't make sense. But you also now see why the production value of these meats don't exist anywhere else. Right.

They're dealing with half a million dollars. We went to the showdown. No discredit. It was fun for us, and we sold some. But the production value is totally different. They don't have a giant jumbotron behind them. i would guess they didn't spend 10 of what you're talking there you know 50 thought you know 50 000 i guess they didn't be shocked if they spent 50 grand right i don't know how they might i don't know if they spent five percent which would be 25 grand

maybe that you know maybe by the time you rent a space pay some volunteers and maybe yeah but maybe not yeah they might not have even still right uh i mean that also comes with having a meet for what 70 people yeah 100 people versus hundreds uh so i thought that was really interesting the other thing he said is this is also when they go over rule changes and it sounded like this isn't a for sure set in stone but the impression i got from gonna allow the jefferson deadlift that's it's finally here now uh he he made it sound like that this was going to pass like it hadn't been set in stone but it everything seemed to be pointing at that yes this would pass and that was changing the rules around a lifting belt

and how this was interesting because this is one of those things you can just rely on is that yeah the there's a yeah a surprising number of rules a surprising number of i don't know what it would be so i thought these i actually thought these were good so he said that the existing rules that everyone goes by it looks like they first originated like the 1976 ipf rule book for weightlifting belts okay and he said uh when you look at other sports like olympic lifting and strongman the rules for belts are like two lines long yeah whereas these there's like pages for all the rules for belts on yeah what fasteners can be used the thickness the material the length all of these things. The width. The width. Yeah, all these things, all these measurements.

And the girth. Yes. And so he basically made it sound like the belt was the proposal. As it pertains to the belt, they will eliminate all specifications, requirements, and restrictions related to, one, the tightening mechanisms. So you could have, so there's no rules on it. could have so there's no ratchet yep there's no rules on the buckle the number of prongs the lever velcro ratchet etc uh no rules on padding no rules on thickness of the belt that's you know yeah not the width this is the thickness that down with the thickness yeah down with the thickness. Wow. Or the material or the construction and any measurements regarding the length or distance of the belt components.

So basically, he said with the exception of the belt width. So no belt is wider than 10 centimeters is pretty much the only rule. And basically, it is a rationale thing here saying, is someone really stronger in a velcro belt right do you actually is someone actually strong that allowed is everyone showing up next year with like yeah like is everyone going to show up in a velcro but then and then also a ratchet are you actually stronger if you can actually get a ratchet tighter than a regular belt does that actually make you stronger? They made it sound like there's been no studies that prove a tighter belt is actually better for performance. And a lot of people would say it's worse for performance even.

So if that's what you prefer, do it. And I think that makes a lot of sense. Why make all of these dumb rules regarding belts? If you want to lift in your Velcro belts and that's all you have, sure, do it. Who cares? Let them. So I thought that was good.

And then there was another proposal that i also thought was interesting and that was the proposal to potentially remove the requirement for keeping your head on the bench oh that could be big and it said that that would be major yes and said the chief referee is the only one to have the advantage point to actually observe that uh and many other federations what does it matter yeah many other federations do not do this uh you have to police hairstyles now because hair becomes a part of it what do you do with your your i've never known what do you do when you bench what do you do is your hair just look like it does now um pretty much and i've just never really got i actually used to my hair used to be

shorter it's so long now but when it's a little shorter i could put the bun up higher and it was out of the way because they would say that in the rules meeting they say yeah if you have a bun right behind your head or a ponytail like we might tell you to move it but yeah that that never happened to me um but then the final one here and i think this is a very maybe the most valid point for bringing your head off the bench it is a handicap to larger lifters with thick upper backs and traps whose heads naturally sit several inches off the bench that makes sense i mean that'd take care of a lot of problems for blaine sumner right there yeah and i just don't know what it matters i think that's a really dumb one yeah yeah so then next do we

see heels heel on the floor does that one go away too it's another thing i'm like i don't know what it matters but i'm also not the guy that's super strict on some of that stuff. Like I want to see squats to depth. I don't think your feet should be flailing around. And, but I'm like, do I think it matters if your head is on the bench? Not like,

does it change anything for me as a viewer? It just feels like it's an artificial constraint. I'm like, just like the belt thing. I'm like, yeah. Okay. We're what,

why are we limiting it? Why are Velcro belts don't help? Let's just not, we don't need to make that a rule. Let someone go out there in a Velcro belt if they want to let them do it. Yeah. Go crazy, man. Get that Velcro on there. Wrap it up.

Okay. That was a lot of lifting discussion actually this week then. All the, all the hard hitting topics. Yeah. Oh, we have a, we have a beverage here we should probably hop into that did somebody say beverage you know and i do need you to get the blindfold on because this is a what's in the can one step ahead of you and i'm also even going to go a little farther and say this is a fan submitted what's in the can. I always love fan submitted what's in the cans.

I'm pretty sure I got a DM for this on Monday or Tuesday and it showed up today. Really? That's some good shipping. Wow. Alright, Tanner. It's a very

special can. Holy crap, what is this? It's a very special can because it's actually a bottle. I thought it's a very special oh my crap what is this a very special can because it's actually a bottle i thought it was a can i'm like what is this one of the like those beers that are like an enormous can you know so we got to give props to strongman underscore dan oh sending this our way big dan with the arm tats yeah every time dan comes up i'm always going to mention the arm tats. Every time Dan comes up, I'm always going to mention the arm tats for now. Well, this is a bottle. I haven't... I've seen... Just to be full transparency, I've seen no color, no nothing, but

it's a big bottle. I don't know what size this is. Is it more than 20 ounces? I can't even actually answer that because the label is not on mine and I gave you the one with the label on it. I don't know what the size is. It smells interesting. That's pretty sweet.

It's real sweet. Oh, it is tasty. It tastes good. It tastes real sweet and real good. That is like way too sweet for me to understand. I'd like to wager a guess. Let me try again. I don't know what comes in bottles like this.

Yeah. Keeps guessing. Let me take one more sip and then I'll wager a guess. keeps guessing um let me take one more sip and then i'll wager a guess ah gosh i don't know should i know it uh strawberry i think it's strawberry is that what you're going yeah i'm going strawberry okay i think it's like a if it tastes like sugary strawberry it's probably sugar-free or something like that but it tastes like sugary strawberries, probably sugar-free or something like that, but it tastes like a sugary strawberry Fanta or strawberry crush. That's what it tastes like to me, strawberry crush. Okay, why don't you take a look there?

Oh, pretty good. It is a clear American strawberry daiquiri-flavored sparkling water beverage with other natural flavors. Non-alcoholic. And I believe. Really, this seems way sweeter than. So it's basically. Okay, Clear American.

This is Walmart's brand, correct? Okay. Isn't it? It's basically like a diet soda kind of in the way that. Distributed by Walmart. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

And it's basically like a diet soda in the way that it has an artificial sweet, like a no calorie sweetener in there, you know know so that's where the sweetness really comes from but ryan ryan and kevin both love these things like clear american they both like these a lot and i've had some flavors at their places before where they like them so i i had a feeling of what to expect with it but it is crazy they can pack that much flavor in these things i kind of got it right didn't i it was like uh from left field i threw one in at the last right at the end i was wondering if you're gonna even throw out a fruit i'm like he's gotta say a well i was thinking like hit like some bubble gummy flavors and i don't know it is honestly tough because it was it's so much sweeter than our usual it is it's really intense how many ounces is this yeah what's your

say 33.8 that's uh that's more than two pounders standard that's true that's uh that one's see this one's they're delicious but what's tricky for me is these are kind of like graded on a different scale i feel like you know they're not playing the same game they're not they're not naturally essenced no i'm giving it a 3.5 because it tastes really good but it's not on the same i almost because it's on a different scale would go four because to me this would probably be one of my more favorite flavors in the scale because it is really really good yeah that's why i'm discounting it though because they're cheating okay like it's they're on natty right i discounting it, though, because they're cheating. Okay. Like, they're on Natty.

Right. I do get what you're saying. Yeah. They're kind of, they're not on the, it's not an equal playing field either. Right, right. They're bringing something extra. Right. I can follow that logic.

Maybe I got to go to three and a half now. We'll leave it ambiguous so people don't know what to market in the. Even better. So, Go Strong was bought out by Rogue by rogue fitness yeah this was actually a big surprise for us when you messaged me that i had no clue what you were talking about yep and then you said check their story yep and they laid it out pretty clearly there's a lot to look at but it appears that tim has just had a lot. Tim, former podcast guest. Former podcast friend, actually just friend.

And great guy all around. That actually was maybe the whole time I was selfishly thinking, does this mean we don't get to see Tim at events anymore? That's exactly what, that was honestly my first thought. I'm like, oh, that sucks. Being a completely selfish. Yeah, because everyone from Ghost was super cool and a lot of fun. So I kind of think that, yeah, the answer answer is no we're not going to see that anymore

that part which really does suck i know that was my first thing i'm like oh this is sucky for us in just a very selfish way yeah but it does sound like uh i mean tim put out there like it just a nightmare list of things that has gone happened to him in the last couple of years. And ghost is kind of just like a side business to his real, actual like egg related business. Right. And I'm sure,

you know, what are we saying? It sounded like it was just an insane amount of stress for what he had going on. i think at the end of the day it ends up being a really good deal for him so well you can't really like yeah he made it basically made it in the post he goes on to say that he approached bill at rogue and talked to them about a buyout and it sounded like they were on board with it so yeah i would assume he made out pretty good i think so it's rogue like i'm not offering him his company for a thousand dollars i think it he made out pretty good i think so it's rogue like offering him his company for a thousand dollars i think it worked out all right and i i see that rogue is already bill posted

on his personal instagram they're already working on like the rogue ghost strong j cup rollers and like doing some different things so and they're not going to be slow to move on that stuff yeah and tim did say that ghost operations are basically done yeah like they're they're closing up shop there and that road's gonna run with what they feel makes sense for them yep so we don't really know what that's yeah we don't know what that if it's called the ghost strong line or if that doesn't exist or yeah and you know they're gonna take the j-cup rollers like you know for sure that sure, that's what... I'm sure Rogue was like, ooh, we can get those? Oh, yeah, let's get...

Yeah, we want those bad. But the rest of it, do they do anything with... I don't think Rogue's getting the custom equipment game at all. I think we can say that that's a safe call. Like, that's not going to happen. But do they do anything with, like, that style of combo rack that Ghost had made? Do they, you know, go on with any of this

other stuff i really ghost had a real oh they had which is you know a bittersweet part of it we have the ghost you know special massonomics um combo rack which now to me is seems even more about you know it seems even cooler knowing that you really can't get one. Oh, it's awesome to know that we have that. Like, that really does feel like a one-of-a-kind collector's item. I mean, it already was, but it really feels like it's a collector's item now to have a Ghost combo rack. Yes, it does. And we've got, so we've got the, like what we've got, Ghost,

we've got the rollers, of course. We've got the HD combo rack. And we also have, you mentioned it the drink spotter uh oh the drink spotter holders yes which is cool to have those and what we got green and blue yes yeah god they look good too they do so you know that's our i guess we bid farewell to ghost strong as we knew it yeah we're gonna miss it yeah it is we're gonna miss those guys yeah hopefully we somehow cross paths with some of them again in the future yes but i am gonna be really interested to see what rogue does does with those products and then price wise where they put them to only time will tell that's the only way to find out.

Should we do a little supporting our supporting members? What do you think of that? Let's do it. Okay. So we kind of alluded to this earlier. Big Jessica competed at IAPF Worlds. She won. I think the squat was 482. And I think, was that a world record?

I believe it was. It might have been a world record. She benched 232 and she deadlifted like 577, which I know that was a world record. And what is it, the heaviest deadlift in the IPF history? Which is crazy. For a woman. Yeah.

She's getting really close to a 500-pound squat and a 600-pound deadlift. Yep. Her total was 1290, so she's also knocking on the door of breaking 1300 she won gold of course the crazy part what we were talking about in the results of that the the uh lifter that she edged out i think she had like the same total as her i believe that with a way lower squat and a way lower deadlift, but her bench was like 310. So she beat Jessica by like 80 pounds on the bench press,

which is a pretty wild bench. Well, it's also crazy that Jessica could have potentially had a world record squat and a world record deadlift and still not won. Yeah. Which you would almost think that is not possible. No, to have world records in two of the three lifts and potentially lose?

Those two events, yeah. Just shows how tough that competition is right there. That's true. So congratulations to her. And then also Big Eddie competed in his first Highland Games of the season. He placed first in four of the events. So congratulations to Big Eddie in the Highland Games. He's thrown some stuff around.

so congratulations to Big Eddie in the Highland Games throwing some stuff around yeah oh whose birthday it's his birthday today too isn't it I think it's Big Eddie's birthday today is it? happy birthday Eddie you bearded son of a gun

and it was another good call out there it was Marissa who we just had on a few weeks ago. It was her. I think she hung up the old. Did she? Did she formally announce it? I think that was it. That was her last meet.

So we got to get her on right before she retired. It was her little send off. It was like, I've done this sport for this many years, and you two are finally the thing that made me quit. I never thought about quitting until I went on the Mathonomics podcast. I did summon in the Discord when we were giving our recap of IPF Worlds. They said, you guys are really nailing this recap. We used to years ago.

That would be a whole episode before. We have a long storied history and uh much evolution kind of talking about what repeatonomics does they catch us you know we used to say things like oh we'd never do this we'd never do that and it's like no that's actually what we do now and what we used to do is recap full meets and go into depth and have notes on it and just talk about who's the best at all the big ones and who had all the records and if you've been listening for a while we don't do that anymore if you listen to this episode that we like to give you the 10 000 foot view the really yeah maybe not even 10 000 we were just

like so far above af you know south africa or wherever they were at is that where they were at or i believe they were okay we were so above. We were orbiting above more like western northeast South Dakota, which is basically the other side of the globe. So you can't blame us for not knowing all the details. So should we ditch the Discord? Do we let them hear a couple ads first? We can let them hear an ad. I'd hate to deprive someone of hearing their ads.

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We'll just have to try and remember to hit that. Oh, come on. Quit. All right. All right. Let's see if we can get Big Dan on the horn here. See if he's awake over across the pond. Yeah.

Big Dan, can you hear us? Yes. Can you hear me? Absolutely. Crystal clear. Oh? Absolutely. Perfect. Crystal clear. Oh, perfect. Excellent. Dan, we're excited to get you on here tonight for us.

Early morning for you. Thanks for waking up early for us. Oh, anytime. You don't mean that. Yeah, I would say that. We're going to start calling you every morning. That was just a lie. This is our first. So this is our 324th episode.

And this is our first call we've made across the pond. So a big occasion here tonight. Oh, well, I'm honored. We saved it for you. Episode one thinking 323 of these in some random english bloke uh i think we i think we did we did make a smart decision saving it for you but we we do have a lot we're super curious to talk to you about uh it was also cool we got to meet you briefly this year at uh the arnold uh back in march here in ohio yeah that was kind of neat. We got to

at least see you. I recognized you the first time you walked by one of the days and I knew I recognized you and I couldn't quite place you and then we had it figured out the second time we ran into you. Yeah, easily forgettable is how I like to word.

We don't know if that's true though because it was i wouldn't agree with that as we've been doing uh doing some of our research getting ready for the show you're kind of like um uh like a modern day renaissance man or so you've got a lot of a lot of interesting stuff going on yeah there's i do quite a lot outside of strongman which uh people people seem to find a little bit weird but it seems to work yeah so we want to ask you about some of both of that today we want to talk about the some of the strongman stuff but we also we always enjoy finding uh finding out what people got going outside of that too so that'll also be fun but um you know a lot of our listeners are very

into uh the strength sports so strongman and powerlifting and all that so could you describe uh you know you've obviously you're a strongman coach but um just tell us a little bit about uh your background with the sport yeah so basically i how do you phrase it? I was really into taking like class A drugs for a while. And then from stopping doing that, I started doing CrossFit. And then from CrossFit, same as almost everyone who does CrossFit, an old injury flared up. And I got, what was it, ACL reconstruction and some work done inside my knee. And whilst I was off, I did a weightlifting qualification with British weightlifting to coach Olympic weightlifting.

And I met a guy called Paul Smith, who's just won UK's Strongest Man. And he said, like, you know, I've loved Strongman since I was a kid. Like, in the UK, Christmas is Strongman. Like, that's when we get to see World's Strongest Man. And he was competing in Strongman, said, it's not too far, why don't you come and have a look? And then at that competition,

I sort of helped him with an event. I can't remember what it was, but I sort of said like, why is everyone doing it this way? Like, this is obviously the better way to do it. And he won the event, won that, won England's Strongest Man that year and sort of forced me into coaching that way and into Strongman as, you know, doing the odd novice competition, doing deadlift and log competitions and things like that.

But I was just sort of pushed into strongman and it seemed like where I wanted it to be. It's interesting because as I think about it, even before what I'm going to say, what I'm going to say, I don't know what the usual path into strongman coaching actually is, but that sounds like not the usual path into strongman coaching is what I, you know, I think a lot of people have been, well, it seems like usually the path is I coach strongman because I've done it for a really long time. So I have to go like, what else do I know? Like, this is, this is all I know. Right. So I think that's, what's so much different about it because that's not your path. No, I coach because I love coaching and because I love helping people.

And realistically, I'm not going to be a great strongman. I'm not going to be a great strongman athlete. There's a lot of people coaching who are phenomenal athletes. And I think that generally makes them worse coaches because to be a great athlete you fundamentally have to be selfish on some level because that's how you get great at a sport whereas i've sort of put that selfishness into helping other people be as good as they can i think that's a great perspective on it because that i mean you hit the nail on the head that's 100 right with how that goes yeah it's i find it strange that i mean strongman isn't really a sport because it's a tv show that became a sport so it's had a really weird beginning true true but in other sports coaches aren't elite athletes that seems sort of obvious that it works

right yeah it's it's true it's i mean it's it's very true that's the case in a lot especially a lot of bigger sports it's not uh it's not always well you were the mbp you were the you know perennial best uh player can't wait to see you start coaching oftentimes you know historically and you know a lot of professional larger sports they end up not be you know when those that do try to coach that were in that uh realm end up not being the best coaches yeah i mean i'm not sure what bill belichick's 40 is but right it's probably not right yeah that's fair to assume and you know i think most people know this but uh certainly you i suppose you coach a number of people but some of your most

well-known athletes would be uh the stoltman brothers of course big luke and big tom and you just came back from uh tom winning his back-to-back World's Strongest Man title. Yeah, that was, I think I've been back 10 days maybe, maybe a little bit longer. It's sort of all blurred together, but that was, yeah, that was wild. You can't explain the feeling. We've had a year since the last World's Strongest Man, the focus has been

winning World's Strongest Man. Since the one we've just got back from, we've already been discussing the whole year ahead for both of them

leading up to next year's World's Strongest Man. Like, it's, it's the biggest title to, to, to win in the sport, i think publicly especially i think within the sport maybe an arnold title is is up there because you know that you're just

crazy strong if you've won an arnold whereas world's strongest man's the best strongman, if that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. Like, the Arnold winner's the strongest man on earth, but the winner of world's strongest man is the best strongman. And if we can get them to line up, that would be really cool. But yeah, unbelievable.

Going back to back is not a flu a fluke you know loads of people have won at one time but he's the first for it to go back to back and it's yeah it makes me it might be because it's 4 39 in the morning but it makes me emotional every time yeah and uh you know it was a tight race you know it's in hindsight it's easy to say but like points wise it did end up being a big a huge spread as far as world's strongest man's considered too you know you won by over uh 10 points over second place so as you know in theory you could have actually not competed in one of those events and still would have had enough points for first place so um it kind of seems like with being back to back and being such a convincing lead at the end that

it's kind of like his to uh you know it's it's tom's to it's just very difficult to see someone knocking him off as long as he's on his A game. I've said for the past few years that so long as Tom wants to, he'll just keep winning World's Strongest Man. If he's 100% focused into a competition,

it's hard to beat him. You've got to be really fucking good to beat him. I think thor in 2018 would maybe have given him a run for his money this year but i still don't think he'd have beaten him it was like it was a perfect performance pretty much without without winning every event yeah i kind of i i mean i i agree it is uh it's going to be tough

what do you think his uh you know i mean do you think in his mind he wants to win uh five world strongest man titles or you know i know that uh there's been a history of some people like thor that they've done it for a few years and won one or two and then they set their sights on other things um to be honest I think he wants six. It's just... There we go. He's still young, though. He's 28.

So, you know, he's got seven years until he gets really good. Like, strongmen come into their prime in their mid-30s, so he's not good yet. So we'll win a few more. Do you tell him that, too? You're not good yet so we'll win a few more do you tell him that too you're not good yeah yeah like we've got time um with with sort of life and things like that so long as so long as he wants to win a competition he's one of the hardest people in the world to beat.

Equally, if he's not 100% on winning, he can look amateurish. So it's something we've got to sort of level out, whether it's doing less shows or, you know, only doing shows you sort of 100% want to win and make a statement out yeah that makes sense uh something that's an interesting dynamic i think is so you're tom's coach you're luke's coach they're both in the finals at world's strongest man they're both athletes that would like to win world's strongest man and both are you know capable of doing so

and i know they're giant supporters of each other but yeah like how do both are you know capable of doing so and i know they're giant supporters of each other but yeah like how do you feel you know i mean i guess they at the end of the day they both aren't going to get to win world's strongest man in the same year no but the the plan is in every competition like i say in every interview that it's Stoltman one and two and they can decide which way around it is. Yeah. Like that, that's what we're there for.

And that's what I'm there for is, you know, I want them both on the podium and, you know, whoever, whatever you believe in that can figure out which order they're in. Like we're there to put them just i want them both to win and if they could cut the trophy in half that would be great

it's yeah one and two and they can figure it out between them that's fair you've been to the states now twice this year for the arnold and for this at least that we know of do you like coming here for competitions or would you just prefer they were uh more of them were in the uk i i love it over there um i probably love it a little bit too much uh being in being in california was not a healthy place to be. Those Popeye's spicy chicken sandwiches. Yeah, it does things, you know, you finish the day, relax. Once you've relaxed in California, for some reason, you're really hungry.

And Popeye's spicy chicken sandwiches every day just hit the spot and spending way too much money in Whole Foods. But yeah, I love it out in the States. It's a great place to be. Is there any other food specifically that you really love getting your hands on when you come over here? So IHOP breakfast sort of feels like competition time yep like that's the go-to before competitions is you know once you get into i hop you know it's it's go time what what is what's the go-to meal before competition uh for me it's just sort of pancakes and bacon and for the lads it the general rule is like eat until they're full but don't force feed um but nathan nathan takes care of it but i think it's berry pancakes and stuff like that they you know it's sort of it's not that complicated because the whole year's really structured so it's all

everything we do is built to world towards competition so then the diet can be you know sort of a bit more what they want within reason at competition time and they respond really well to it it's uh nathan's got that dialed he's really good at just getting stuff sorted and knowing what people want um but in terms of food i mean next year's worlds is in south carolina and i feel like i need to get you know 40 pounds off before i go out there. I'm bad for barbecue food, like white gravy and biscuits. It's going to be, yeah, I'm going to be a heavy Dan coming back from that one. I think. Yep. Prepare yourself ahead of time. I've got this. I'll start fasting now. Yeah. Yeah. For next year. I've got this quote from you and I'm kind of paraphrasing it a little bit,

but I'm going to read it back, kind of what I took away from it. And you said, you know, some people think I'm a great coach, and some people think I'm the worst thing to happen to strong man. It was something along those lines. I think I heard you say that in an interview. What do you mean by that, or what does that mean when you say, you know, where does that come from? What do you mean by that?

Or what does that mean when you say, you know, where does that come from? I mean, I find it really weird that, you know, I live my life how I live it. And it's sort of just what I want to do. Like my partner attests to, you know, she deals with me just, I'm going to Wales. I'm going climbing. I'm doing, I'm going racing this weekend. I'm doing what I want to do. And I think there's people within the sport who, unless you live and breathe it every single day,

you shouldn't be in it. And I, you know, I have, I have I suppose it's like revolutionary training in Strongman in the sense that

I don't do loads of weird stuff I just get people really strong and there's like no

gimmicks to it so it people don't seem to like that that there's there's none

of the bullshit that goes with like oh we should deadlift 70 times People don't seem to like that. There's none of the bullshit that goes with, like, oh, we should deadlift 70 times this week because your deadlift's not going up. It's like, well, figure out why it's not going up, get rid of that, and then the deadlift will go up.

Like, my whole training philosophy is based on fixing weaknesses, but for some reason, some coaches don't seem to like that approach. And then I also spend loads of time people saying that I'm the greatest strength coach in the world, and it makes me feel a little bit sick because it's just weird. I just coach people. I do what what i do and they seem to be people keep winning stuff so it's going well but i don't deal well with accolades and people being nice really yeah i think that's a common thing for a lot of people too

so that's not that's not that have at least some level of self-awareness yeah yeah uh but you know for the naysayers i mean the proof's in the pudding right yeah i think it's it's because like people only really see the top level as well whereas you know i've been coaching for I think like six, seven years now. Whenever World's Strongest Man was in Manila, I was coaching

the year before that. So it was a while. I've been coaching for a while. And, you know, people don't see the coaching people who could barely walk to, you know, they couldn't bodyweight squat to being able to squat. And people who are getting various powerlifting records or strongman records and people doing the first competitions.

You know, coaching isn't just about tom and luke it's about all the people you get to help and i'm you know i hold my hands up i'm super fortunate to coach tom and luke because i think anyone with a sensible coaching approach could get huge results out of them but yeah you know the proof's there like we keep winning stuff but it's not just the guys who keep winning it's pretty much everyone I coach will win something like that's it's what we do I like shiny things is uh is strong man a bigger deal in the UK than it is in the states from what you see you know is that the way you look at it or not really um i mean my only experience of strong man in the states was the arnold which blew my mind yeah and world's strongest man which had

crowds this year. And the last World's Strongest Man I was at was in Manila, so the crowds weren't... They were a bit more pulled in. You know, there were people who weren't that interested in Strongman, but they were stood near where an event was happening. Whereas Sacramento this year, it was... You know, it was wild. It's frustrating, because over here we don't get to see it till Christmas,

but you know, the atmosphere that was there was like really, really incredible. But we've got, we've got the arena shows and that doesn't seem something you have over there. No arena shows like you see on Instagram, they look so cool. Yeah. Yeah.

I think, um, the short classics going to be in an arena from judging by, you know, uh, Brian's Instagram stories and stuff. There's a lot of, uh,

sideways, I emojis, uh, hockey arenas and stuff. So I don't know. I'm assuming it's going to be an arena show. And I think that's a big thing to bring because a good arena show is next level. Like you get, I can't remember what the crowds are,

but Europe's Strongest Man is probably, I think, 7,000 to 10,000 people. That's a lot, yeah. Yeah, and it's to watch Strongman, which, it's, so before every show, we obviously get there early, we get there before the crowds are in, and I walk to the back of the stadium

as far away from the sort of where the competition's going to be in the seating and just sit there and realise that someone's going to be like, someone sat that far back because that's the only seat that was available. And they've done it to watch Strongman, which, you know, is a sport from, like, car parks in the north of England. Like, people, like, you compete in the rain and snow over here.

And then you're in an arena watching, like, such a pointless sport, because all you're doing is picking stuff up and putting it down, generally in a different place, sometimes in the same place. And there's thousands of people. Like, I think that's where the difference is. If the States get good arena shows,

I think you guys know how to put shows on. I think the States could take over in terms of atmosphere and fandom, but at the moment, the arena shows are unbelievable. I'd recommend like to anyone people you know saying oh I'm going to watch World's Strongest Man like don't bother like watch World's Strongest Man

on TV because it's an amazing production go to an arena show first and feel you know the energy that comes off it. World records happening in front of you. It's an unbelievable feeling.

Did you feel like this year with the Arnold that it gave that atmosphere a little bit of an arena show? Yeah. So imagine the atmosphere of the Arnold, but loads more people and sort of everyone so like over here it's Giants

Live who do the arena shows or the majority of them. Ultimate Strongman also have I think their UK strongest man is like in a football, soccer stadium. Right, right.

But there were people watching the Arnold who were there because they were at the Arnold. So there's something going on. So let's go and see what's happening. Absolutely. That's right. That is true. Whereas at the arena

shows you've bought a ticket to watch strongman yeah and that's the only thing yeah like the only thing that's going to happen is you know mark felix might roll a frying pan up or pop an apple if he's not competing but like it's strongman. That's why they're, that's the only thing that's happening. And it, because it's a Strongman show that's being filmed rather than like a TV show about Strongman, it flows really well. And it feels like it's just electric.

You know, the Giants live show in Glasgow last year was year was like i was crying at the walkout when tom and luke walk out together and the bagpipes going and stuff like that you know proper just pure emotion because everyone's there for the same reason yeah my take on it and i don't know if you think this is right or not but um here if someone's showing up to a show it could be at a just a situation like the arnold and they're just there for a number of things that convention is enormous and they're just there but like a lot of people going to watch strongman here you know they kind of do strongman themselves they're guys like

us that they they follow these strength sports, and they probably do them to themselves to a level. What I see or what it feels like in the UK is people are just fans. They're not necessarily all doing strongman themselves on... Or like in the gym. Right. They're just really fans of the sport because it's a good spectacle for them. Oh, yeah. It's really weird.

So like in the States, like Tom and Lou can walk around and they might get stopped for the odd picture because, you know, if you're in Ohio and you see a giant man, they're probably a strong man. Yeah. Or there's someone worth getting a picture with. But people don't seem like Brits. If they become fans of something, go a bit weird about it and go a bit mental. You know, look at fucking Beatlemania and that sort of thing.

If we like something, we're going to let everyone know we like it, whether it's... And that's what Strongman's becoming. There's people who... I think there's people who are fans of the Stoltman brothers because they're the Stoltman brothers, not because they're Strongman. The Strongman seems almost secondary to some of the fans.

You know, it is proper, you know, they love the personality. They love feeling, especially because the lads are so open. They feel like they know them and it creates this, oh,

it's wild. Like you, again, them and it creates this oh it's wild like you again you see it at the arena shows because after the show they you know set tables out for

the athletes to sign things for fans and it's queuing up and down stadiums just to get a picture with the

Stoltman brothers and get something signed like it's it's weird because, you know, you keep pinching yourself. Like, you'd walk into the stadium and you'd think, like, LeBron was playing horse with Shaq. Like, this is, like, a major sporting event is happening.

And then you walk and you're like, oh, it's Tom and Luke. Okay, like, this is what's like the so the arnold uk the um that was last year they the organizers ended up having to move them because wherever tom and luke were caused a disruption to the rest of the expo. Yeah. But the queues were going across people's stands. So they had to move them round to not block the expo up. Like it's wild.

That's cool though. Some star power. That's cool. It's really cool. But then every now and then you go, it's just strong man. Like what is happening? Yeah.

It's been like two years, like the last two, it's just strongman. Like what is happening? Yeah. It's been like two years, like the last two years it's gone. I think since Eddie, to be honest. Yeah. Eddie bought in the UK, like a public face to strongman again. Cause we've,

we didn't have a winner since 93, I think was our last British world's strongest man so eddie winning sort of made it a public thing again and then tom winning relatively close you know coming second um in 2020 you know it became a public image that's just rolled and rolled and rolled. Yeah. You mentioned something that Eddie first British for several years and had us thinking about

something we were talking about earlier. It's funny to us. I assume it's not odd. It's all very plain and simple to you, but to us, the... Not geography geography how did you explain it the border the understanding how the countries work it's odd to us that uh you know with uk scotland britain um all that like england yeah it's it seems like there's a lot of names for the same place

yeah so at the risk of me getting shot if tom had lost he'd be scottish okay um but he won so he's british that's that's generally how it works over here so someone that's from scot, you would still in some cases call them Britain, British. Yes. So Britain is, uh, England,

Northern Ireland or Ireland, depending on your political view of that. Also more confusion. Ireland, Scotland, Wales. Okay. So,

um, sort of all the countries together. Then there's the United Kingdom, which is essentially a political name. It combines Ireland in a way that some people like, some people don't. So you can be Welsh and British, or you can be Welsh and British or you can be Irish and British.

So generally what, what we tend to do is if they win British, if they lose, it's wherever they from. And do you like the term United Kingdom then? Is that something you use or not? Really? Um,

not really. I personally like people to be from where they're from because the english uh i mean the english historically have been pretty awful with like trying to take places over and killing people and you know being generally english about it like you guys know, you all fucked off. Like there's a reason loads of people left England to go to America and, you know, do American things. So I like people to at least be able to have their identity. So like the Scottish flag, the Saltaire,

like Tom grabs that after the official stuff so he can celebrate with the Scottish flag. Whereas for the TV purposes, it's British. So it's a bit of a tricky one. TV purposes is British. So it's, it's a bit of a tricky one. Um, but you know,

I just, if you're from Scotland to me, you're Scottish. If you're from Wales, you're Welsh. And I think we should start letting people celebrate their own heritage a bit rather than worshiping a like a hundred year old woman who sits on a gold throne. That makes a lot of sense to me.

Yeah. I can follow that explanation. Yeah. It's more relatable to if loads of Scottish people feel Scottish, then let them be Scottish. They don't need to

celebrate an old woman who, you know, they combined all the kingdoms because it was easier than killing all of them. We can't manage to kill all of you, so we're just going to

absorb all of you. It's just not even worth it this time. We'll all call us the same thing. That's good. So what about, like, is Stoke-on-Trent a town, a city? Yes. And what is Leeds? So Leeds is, so Stoke's like a big town, small city.

so stoats like a big town okay small city in america it'd be like a village like that like that nothing's that big over here um well we live in us we live in actually a really really rural part we live in uh south dakota in the kind of the smack dab middle uh so we actually do live in we don't have we're're not around any populated cities or anything like that. Okay. So if you, I'm trying to think, so like the vibe I got from Sacramento, that's probably like Leeds size. Okay. It's probably bigger because America and everything's freaking big over there. But Leeds is a city.

Stokes is a town, I think, so just a little bit smaller. They'll call themselves a city, but it's not. It's barely a place. Are they adjacent to each other? There are two separate places two separate towns or cities yeah so they're probably two and a half hour drive away okay okay okay because i was getting confused in the same way that they were being used somewhat interchangeably like someone would say that they're english and british like no so england

this isn't where I thought a strongman podcast would go. We do that. Geography of England. This is actually more on the lines of our usual conversation, so this is perfect. London's the capital of England,

which is in the south, which is southern. It is what it is. We need it because otherwise we'd float away. And then in the north, like Stoke is in the middle of England. And then Leeds is sort of the start of the north.

And then Scotland is, what, three hours north of Leeds and then six hours long Scotland's really long um but every so in England you've got the north and south well the north south divide is the is the big we'd like to you know split places up as much as possible. That's what it seems like. Divide and conquer, I think, is the original term. But yeah, so the North-South divide is a big thing in England. If, you know, the Cockney accent that every American thinks they can do, even though it's sounds Australian.

Yeah. Oh, I saw some powers. Yeah. That's everything we know about the culture. So that's Southern that's London. That's South of England. Imagine,

you know, trumpets playing in black and white and minors and, you know, trumpets playing in black and white and minors and, you know, sort of proper Northern, you know, like how do you describe it? Imagine a world in black and white and that sort of what the North is, you know, those old gruff Englishmen. Pretty much where we live, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty, pretty similar sort of vibe to it's that.

So the North is proper North, you know, it's like in the Northern England's strongest man qualifier is the heaviest out of the, you know, regional qualifiers. And it's done in a car park and not all the equipment weighs the same. And sometimes it snows and you just do it outside anyway. And, you know, that's what sort of being Northern is. Whereas, you know, up here we imagine the southern qualifier they're lifting feathers and it's in the air condition yeah yeah yeah yeah that makes sense yeah north is north like you know um did you meet dale uh 3d strength the guy i was coaching at the Arnold in the one Oh fives.

I don't think so. I don't think we did. Well, you'll meet him probably next year and he's Northern. You'll understand it all straight away. Okay. That might be putting too much faith in us. Still.

We might still not understand it very well. Oh no. What we'll do is I'll introduce you to dale and introduce we'll find someone southern and you'll understand that's perfect okay oh we've got tommy what do you think about playing overrated underrated okay so we've got this little game called overrated underrated that we play with each of our guests and we've got a special uh set of big dan topics that we handpicked for you. And we'll fire them over to you. And it's just your job to decide

if each one is overrated or underrated. You can elaborate on each one as much or as little as you'd like. But you just have to remember that you can't ride the line. You have to ultimately decide. It's just like being in English. You have to either be North or South. You can't ride the line.

Oh, yeah. There's no danger of that. Okay, perfect. Okay. Overrated or underrated? Since we've kind of mentioned it, the Beatles. Overrated. They were decent,

but they came about at the right time, I is there still like a i mean is there still traces of beetle mania over there oh yeah like there's people you know if you're into the beatles then you know i mean next month i'm going to liverpool so that might have been a mistake to say that but yeah people love them but i think i'm more into the stones than the beatles ah amen yeah and again england it's one or the other that's that's what we like to do divide and conquer yep that that uh makes sense. Okay, overrated or underrated iRacing? Overrated because it's hella expensive. So just... Yeah, every track, every car, more money. Is that how it goes?

It's like you pay for every single thing? Yeah, so you could play it for free up to a basic level, but then once you get into sort of the A and B tier racing, so getting towards the top tier racing, their special feature is you need to buy new cars and new tracks. So that's not strictly a feature feature that's just selling us things um personally um content manager assetto corsa mods and dirt rally that that keeps me happy okay all right so you're a set of course um because it looks like you uh like it's it's crazy to us because it's such a foreign concept but it looks like you have an actual like racing club and there's a street circuit and everything you can do there yeah so

iRacing is you know it's an international simulation racing league so you can you know pick what sort of sport you're into so there there's oval racing on there. There's sort of road, road racing on there, dirt racing, and you, you know, compete against people in, you know, it's a simulator setup. So I do it in VR as well. So you're, you know, I use it to train for motor racing. I keep shut i'm sorry that's what i meant is that you have an actual like you do you participate in actual real racing too though not just uh not just sim racing yeah so i got into sim racing in order to train to race rather than sort of getting into sim racing and then liking it and then wanting to race,

it was sort of the other way around for me because motorsports are expensive. So it's something I do when time allows, when finances allow. It's something I love to do. Whereas I can jump on the sim whenever I want. love to do um whereas i can jump on the sim whenever i want um but yeah actual motor racing is is like that and rock climbing and the things that have probably kept me in strongman for so long because i've got a bit fed up with it and then realized that i don't need to be obsessed with strong run. I need to be a good coach.

So racing as a, you know, a hobby or as an enthusiast, like that's can't be in any way relaxing. Like you don't get done with that and be like, huh, what a load off. Like,

like that has, I mean, you're white knuckled the entire time, I assume. Right. Uh, weirdly it sort of chills me out. Um,

I find, you know, life's drastically boring like just being alive like constant like life it just really it's pretty samey um and i i seem to relax and do well in high-pressure situations. So my whoop recovery score at the Arnold was 2% recovered. And that's where I feel good. I feel good when things are on the edge. So it chills me out because my brain doesn't get to stop that often. If I'm doing something where, you know, death is a, a legitimate consequence, you sort of focus on that thing and it, you know, calms the noise a little bit.

Yeah. Makes sense. As far as racing goes, then do you have a preferred for sim racing do you have a preferred class uh or or car anything that you like to use so in iRacing I generally prefer uh the dirt stuff at the moment so closer to rallycross or um oval racing you know sort of nascar or lower levels of that um because it's not what i race so you get used to dealing with stuff and you know i find it more fun if i was doing sort of uh what do you call it in the States road course racing I'd be getting more frustrated because that's the thing I love to do

so I expect everyone to act like professional racing drivers whereas in reality it's a video game and most of us are sat in a house so doing the other sides of motorsport is the benefit of the sim you know i'm i'm not going to be able to

drive like i mean it's highly unlikely i'm going to drive a 1950s formula one car but i can have a go at it in the simulator and it that's what i enjoy about it is just driving stuff that i'm not good at driving because if you can learn to collect a car that's going out of control then it carries over to being able to do that in real life yeah it's really weird but you know you drive along sort of in in the real car and the back end starts to step out and before you realize what's happened you've corrected it and that's only come from sort of sim racing and I think because you have less realistic feedback because obviously it doesn't move like the

simulator is not moving so it becomes very sort of automatic the response to things going wrong and it's sort of helped in real cars. Things have come a long way since Grand Theft Auto 2, haven't they? I mean, that's still one of the best games, though.

It still holds up. The original Grand Theft Auto was life-changing with the top-down camera camera i loved the top-down one i loved that yeah there's such a terrible game i know i feel like a lot of people didn't play like don't know that one or if you have a certain age i have a very limited experience with that one we had like in my high school without what was one of the things that got on all the computers and we would all play uh that top down uh grand theft auto that was that's that's still my favorite grand theft auto i liked it because it was

like it was proper grand theft auto but because i mean at the, the graphics were decent, but looking back, they're horrific. Right. And it's top-down. So it feels almost family-friendly until you realize you're murdering hookers and stealing cars. It becomes more real when you get the actual... Yeah, when it's first-person view. Yeah, you sort of wonder why there's a generation of

you know 30 odd year olds who are as fucked up as we are like it's like oh because as a child we got you this fun video okay okay uh overrated or underrated uh stick welding oh oh you've gone deep um underrated i love stick welding it's if you you know if you can't stick weld you can't weld it's it's proper setting yourself on fire gripping molten metal on yourself, proper welding. So were you ever, like, was welding just a hobby or was it ever a profession of any kind? That was, so how old was I? Probably 1920. 1920, I was a, well, started an apprenticeship later in life as a fabricator and welder in a quarry. So making quarry equipment, that's my, you know,

my go-to joke is when people ask about qualifications, it's, you know, fabrication and welding, not coaching. Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, fabrication and welding, not coaching. Yeah, yeah. Like, that's... But, yeah, I love welding. It's sort of my... The problem, I'm bad at being employed.

You know, I'm not good at listening to other people and having, like, a real grown-up job. But I loved welding. i just hated working so i'm you know at some point i'd love a workshop start you know knocking up bits of strongman kit yeah that's what i wondered if you've ever made any strongman equipment or anything before um i've designed some bits of strongman equipment that i think has gone on to be made, but never really got off the ground with making it myself. I made bits of gym stuff when I first got into training.

Well, not first got into training, but first got into the CrossFit gym. I made a couple of bits for them, but not Strongman kit, which feels really weird. But if Miller or Lincoln want to truck me over a welding set, I'll start knocking up Strongman kit as well. I think we've actually got a Miller connection. We've got a Miller connection of an avid listener of the podcast here that works for Miller. So maybe we can set something up. Well, if you can edit that so I don't say Lincoln

I said Miller first so yeah that's yeah yeah perfect you know true blue that's uh other American words yeah stuff like that uh overrated or underrated uh climbing free solo free solo climbing uh so the film it's a weird one so the film as a piece of cinema is underrated because jimmy chin did some unbelievable stuff to get it but the public view of it, I think is overrated. Alex Honnold's done better stuff. You know, he's, so he's not a great climber with big air quotes.

You know, he's not, he's not doing the hardest routes in the world, but as a soloist, he's unbelievable. And the act of free soloing, massively underrated. People are pussies. They don't like you doing it. I get it.

So why, like people ask, why are you soloing? And it's like, because it's fucking fun. Like go climbing, be scared. Like it's meant to be scary.

Like people are adverse to nearly dying all the time. that's why you know people are a bit shit it's like fundamentally like being properly scared i think is good for you i think people should be you know at least feel like they could die sometimes because it, it makes you feel alive. That's that, that probably hard to argue. Does climbing grip strength transfer it all over to strong man grip

strength? Um, I think the transfer is bigger the other way. Okay. But the, the difference is climbing strength is very tendony so i um i've popped a couple of tendons in my fingers when i first got into climbing because i was stronger than my tendons were for that specific movement. So I think there's a transfer in terms of resilience,

but not necessarily pure strength, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that does. So there's a climber called Yves Gravel who has a couple of grip strength world records. He's, you know, done loads of stuff on rolling thunders he doing pull-ups on his little fingers you know he's got a mad grip um but i'm not sure which way around has the biggest benefit i feel like grip sport would have more benefit to climbing if you had the tendon strength already.

Whereas I think climbing strength is a bit more niche and it's a very mechanical strength. Whereas the strongman grip is you're just grabbing hold of stuff and you've got to deal with it whereas climbing you tend to maximize advantages you get in little cracks so you're putting a lot of strain through the tendon but unless you're trying really hard or you're over gripping it feels totally different to sort of grip training i'm just lucky if I can climb out of bed in the morning. I don't bother with that. I just, you know.

Just don't get up. Fall out of bed, fall over, it'll be fine. Our last topic, and we always save the best and most important for last, sometimes the most controversial. So your performance of the whole uh show kind of rides on this last one so overrated or underrated bullets oh underrated it's the greatest haircut business in the front part in the back what more do you need that's true is the mullet gaining any popularity overseas over there?

Are you seeing more of them showing up? Yeah, weirdly. Like, you know, like private schools? Like, weirdly popular in private schools for some reason. But it's weird because people, like like I had fairly long hair and then got bored because it was locked down and cut a mullet in and people were like really angry that I'd done that really and I was like but it's just fucking Like, it'll grow back at some point. And then I was sim racing one day. And you know when things aren't quite going well when you're doing something and everything annoys you?

So I just shaved my head because I could, you know, in my mind at the time, the reason I wasn't winning races was because I could feel a little bit of hair on my forehead so I just shaved my head and then people got really angry that I'd done that because they're like you can't get rid of the mullet I'm like I can because it's hair so what I did was just cut it all off um and then the mullet came back and it seems to, you know, I've sort of fucked up because I'm going to be an 80 year old man with a mullet.

You can't get rid of it now. But I like it, you know, it's, it's a haircut. I sort of just, I like having it. It feels right. You know, I don't think you choose the mullet i think

you know you are chosen yeah i think that's yeah that's that's a perfect line good uh yeah a life of country music sort of do you think do you know any uh do you, are you familiar at all with, like, American country music? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm more, I could go deep into this. Do people in England listen to American country music, or American Western country music, though? More into bluegrass. Okay. You know, sort of stuff around appalachia

which hence the love of the mullet um but like neck shoulders and um billy strings at the moment are doing you know sort of mad mad stuff to listen to. But then, yeah, like old country. Yeah. Big, big fan of, I'm a fan of music. You know, if someone's good at something, I like to listen to it, but I grew up with country, you know, I grew up with Johnny Cash. For whatever reason, it's, you know, the tape we had in the car was a Johnny Cash tape so grew up listening to that then obviously discovered sort of the highwaymen through him

yeah and then through there discovered Willie Nelson and then through there discovered a love of long hair and other things Willie Well, you know, whatever that, yeah, just, you know, leads on to loads of chicken sandwiches. But no, that's,

you know, American country, you know, less into, I don't, I don't know what it's really called but you know the arena show country yeah like kind of more pop country acts yeah so sure you know like garth brooks i mean i'm a big fan of tom segura and in the unlikely event that Garth Brooks is listening he shouldn't block him off Instagram

but that sort of stuff it just feels a bit fake it doesn't you know country music is there for a reason you know it's music of suffering and shit going wrong and it's hard to sing about you know stuff going wrong whilst you're flying in a private jet and you've you know got 70 trucks and you're living yeah like all of the

there's no rust on it they start every time and your dog didn't die yeah it's like oh like there's never a a happy country song like everything's great work's going good wife's happy like it's all good it's you know my dog left me for my wife and i've they both shot me so and then i got ran over by a train yeah that's that's that's the country I like. A bit of Hank

Williams III as well, just to get a bit rebellious every now and again. Excellent. Turns out, good, the news is in. You passed overrated, underrated. Well, that's good. Yeah,

I feel like if I was an option on that a lot of people would you'd feel a lot of time uh yeah you're so your day is not ruined your morning started started out properly with winning uh passing overrated underrated yeah that was worth um getting up at 4 a.m so we're going to mention too you have a pod your own podcast that you uh got going on then too correct yeah i mean i'm really bad at doing it like i'm i really enjoy doing the podcasts and i love speaking to people, but I'm not great at editing stuff. I'm not great. You know, I want to race cars and climb rocks. So if there's an option of doing that,

then I'm trying to get better. You know, I'm trying to do YouTube and do social media a bit more um because i've realized that that's a a fairly key part in the industry now is actually being good at stuff instead of just coaching people um so yeah uh the dan hipkiss on YouTube, there's a weird selection of videos, like some really interesting podcasts, and then I got bored and put a video of me doing a lap of Brands Hatch on it, on the same variety.

People need a little spice of life. Yeah, I just, I don't know. So in my head, I know how I want it to look and how I want it to be. But I don't have the skill or motivation to do that. Which is an issue with actually doing. So I'm like, oh, you know, I'll put this video up and it'll look like this. And then I realize I'm not very good at editing or filming stuff. up and it'll look like this and then I realise I'm not very good at editing or filming stuff so it sort of looks a bit but I'm trying to so I'm going to

a race this weekend just to watch Travis Pastrana's you know the Nitro Rallycross I don't know if you've seen it that's over in England this weekend. So I'm going to try and film the weekend, maybe put a video out,

but there'll be regular, sporadic, random videos going up on YouTube of just a collection of stuff. I want to use it to document what I'm doing rather than trying to fit into a box. And if people like it, they like it. If they don't, they don't.

I think I earned 23p off it last month, so I'm not raking in the money. I'll do it. We have to be honest. That could mean a dollar or a million. We don't know the difference. So less than a quarter. Now let's go with several hundred thousand.

You could have fooled us with that. But yeah, trying to get, trying to get better at stuff, sort of relaunching my coaching. I can't even call it a coaching business because I've been so terrible at running a business. But July 1st, I'm going to launch myself properly as a business, get a new website, start actually getting paid on time by people instead of just...

I coach because I love it. I get to help people. And to me, that's worth more than money. However, to the people who like landlords and stuff, money's worth more than money. So I need to run a business and get my shit together a little bit. But, yeah, that's the plan is to get better at social media and get better at just, you know, other stuff other than coaching, really. Because I feel like I've got that bit down it's just the

uh yeah business side that i need to get get nailed uh well here's your first opportunity so where do people find you at then uh what's your your instagram handle or website or any of that so what i'll do is get my Instagram up to look what my handle is. It's Dan underscore Hipkiss, which is H-I-P-K-I-S-S, like the guy from the mask but with an extra letter. And the Dan Hipkiss podcast on YouTube and danhipkisscoaching.com. However, that website will be going down on Sunday and coming back up on

July the 1st. But it's all if you search for Dan Hipkiss if you come across an ex-England and Leicester Tigers rugby player, I'm not that one. The much less famous, much less

rich one. I'm way worse looking. I'm really good name, but I got the shit half of the deal on that. Well, I know the feeling. Dan, we

really appreciate it. Thank you for coming on. This was a lot of fun, and I think a lot of people are going to enjoy this. Awesome. Thank you for coming on this is a lot of fun and i think a lot of people are going to enjoy this awesome thank you for having me on guys i really appreciate it yeah you're the man we'll be following along with uh everything that you got going on and the coaching and everything so keep up the good work fantastic and hopefully uh well i'll see you at the next arnold absolutely if i'll be there. Yep. Awesome. Take it easy, guys. Thanks, Dan.

See you. See you. Thank you. Cool beans. Cool beans. Beans. Cool beans. The English love their beans.

They love them cool, don't they? They love their beans. And a double serving of cool beans. Don't they eat beans on their toast? I actually don't know. I think they do. I think they put beans on everything. Like what kind of beans?

Beans. Like beans. Just beans mostly. Is Mr. Bean British? Oh, I think he is. Yeah. Rowan Atkinson. That's his name?

Yeah. Mr. Bean. Here. He looks British if he's not. Oh, yeah. I just had to type in British beans to get to the bottom of what type of beans they are. You thinking like black beans? I think it's more like that versus a green bean.

I don't think it's a green bean. I think it's like a... Beans is a really ambiguous thing. It is actually. That could. It is, actually. It's like that can mean so many different things. When someone says we're going to have beans, I mean, you could be in store for a lot of different things there. You know, baked beans are a lot different than a pile of black beans

or a lot different than a serving of green beans. British baked beans seems to be... What kind of beans do they eat in England? British baked beans are traditionally made with navy beans. Now you know. So baked beans, you made with navy beans. Now you know. So baked beans, you think it's a barbecue-y sauce like ours? Well, it looks like it in the pictures here. Okay.

But I think they eat a lot of beans on stuff. You think that baked? British style beans on toast. Roll beans on their toast. Roll that beautiful bean footage. Name that company. Is that Bush's? Yeah, I think so.

Okay. Does Bush's also have the one with the dog? I was going to say that. The talking golden retriever? That's trying to steal that damn family recipe? I don't think he... Doesn't he say, roll that beautiful bean footage? Is that all the same commercial?

It could be. Nobody knows. I couldn't name another beans company. Do you like baked beans? I actually do. You know what was a staple for me when i was you know 1920 that the can't you know in the cans that had the pull top the one and the ones that had like franken beans i guess is what you would call it oh or it had to cut up cut up uh hot dogs yeah because you know the beans aren't

enough you have to have little slices of a hot dog another substantial protein source in there yeah big beans decent protein in baked beans i think there is yeah or probably a lot of sugar when you get the bushes yeah i'm sure there's a ton of sugar when you get the bushes ones it's like the like bacon flavor or whatever and there's like two of the tiniest little chunks of bacon inside there yeah like there can't be more than three cents worth of bacon in that entire can right it's our baked beans good or not? I think they are. I mean, do you think they're really good? What's the other one that people make where they put like meat in them and everything? Isn't it like cowboy?

Oh, chili. Yeah. It's funny. Isn't it like baked beans and chili are not that far apart from each other? They're really not. Yeah. Cowboy beans. You know what those are?

It's like it is kind of more like chili i was gonna say that sounds like chili it's basically but it's still bean heavy but it's mostly beans it's mostly beans and it's not quite as much sauce as chili i think the amount of sauce yeah well and these beans are beans are pretty runny but tomato or chili is tomato based you know yeah whereas these i don't believe are tomato based i like uh i like my chili hot um i like i like my chili so damn hot you can boil a pig's ass in a spoonful um actually i like my chili meatier than beanier um yeah i like i like my beans beanier than meteor but i like my chili meatier than beanier but i know some people don't i'd probably pick that too i don't know i

kind of like chili just i kind of like all chili i don't i just don't want my chili to be like i'm eating tomato soup with no little beans and a little bit of meat in it it needs to be like chunky i don't mind the taste of all the beans and chili but i don't like the look of some of the bean i don't like the look of those big beans i want any beans yeah i want to even like not know that it's on my spoon or is it yeah like i don't like the way that those look those are not uh i know what you mean but they it doesn't bother me that much okay but i do know what you mean but i don't think they take i think at all yeah by the time it's in your mouth chili is one of the hardest things to actually mess up though i think out of all the

things someone could cook that you can't that you do have to assemble yourself it's in your mouth chili is one of the hardest things to actually mess up though i think out of all the things someone could cook that you can't that you do have to assemble yourself it's pretty hard to mess up chili yeah i mean at the end of the day as long as you have beans and meat and sauce in there it's pretty edible and it's pretty hard to burn yeah do you so what did you say you like better chili or baked beans oh i like chili way more than baked beans right to pick there yeah but it's i guess you're you're you're better chili or baked beans? Oh, I like chili way more than baked beans. Right. I had to pick there. Yeah. But it's, I guess you're, you're, you're battling a main course versus a side. Yeah.

Cause baked beans are never a main course. No. But chili is always a main course. Yes. Yes. Although I'm a kind of have a soup thing where I'm like, soup is not a main course. And chili is like adjacent, very adjacent to soup. My wife thinks the best thing in the world is when you go, not this time year but you know in our nine month winter we have yeah when you can go somewhere for lunch and get soup and a sandwich i'm like you you used your soup and a cold sandwich you could have got

anything and you pick soup and a sandwich and she thinks it's amazing i take issue with that being a meal like oh what yeah A cold sandwich and soup? Well, usually it's like a grilled or pressed sandwich. But still, it's soup and a sandwich. Yeah. That's not like in my first 50 things I'm going to pick. But some people just go and get soup. Like, is soup a meal?

Well, I could sort of understand if it's like a chili or like a heavy chowder or something like that. Chili, I think think is the one to me that i you can make can can be the main but i'm not but i'd still rather chili not be the leader of the no and i'm just i i'm not sure i've ever ordered just soup at a restaurant before you'd have to be a lot of psychopathic a lot of things have gone wrong in my day for that to happen. If you were really hungry, you'd be like, bring on the soup. And it's not like chili. You'd be like, yep, just keep

the soup coming. Like at Olive Garden. The unlimited, the endless soup. You don't want more than one. That's kind of like a cream-based, dairy-based thing too. You know, like how much dairy do you need floating?

Like hot dairy with meat in it. Do you need floating in your stomach? There's some breadsticks floating on top of that too. Just a good base. Yeah. Mostly all of that endless stuff is, I would say, unless it's like endless seafood. Like if it was like endless,

I don't know, not even a seafood fan, but just unless it's like endless steak or endless lobster or something, it's kind of a scam. It's gotta be something that I really am like, no, this stuff's expensive. And if it's endless, I can put away way,

like way more than I would normally get. Yeah. Endless salad and breadsticks. No, I get it. I get it. It's than I would normally get to. Yeah, endless salad and breadsticks. I get it. I get it. It's tasty, but it's not much of substance there. No. So Dan was good, though.

Dan was real good. I think that was fun, right? That was a lot of fun. It's always just amazing to hear that people have accents and he's probably thinking the same thing talking to us like what is that accent that those guys have you know

it is actually really funny we're watching Boardwalk Empire on HBO and I just thought of something don't let me forget it okay and there's another thing we have to talk about yeah it's it's funny in boardwalk empire that's with um who's that actor who's the actor the really weird yep steve buscemi steve buscemi i just kept wanting to say what his character empire is good i've watched oh it's a great show oh you have yeah

oh not recently but like it just just registered me that i know that yes it's good we're like halfway we're like halfway through the fourth season yeah there's only five seasons so we're getting there uh it's kind of like if you just put the sopranos in like the yeah boardwalk okay but his brother yeah yeah yeah yep and they yeah he's the the whatever the city manager of boardwalk empire as i was thinking about it in my head i was uh i had to parcel out um peaky blinders from have you ever seen peaky i still have not seen that yet no okay but in borodok empire though it's really funny because one of the characters is married to a woman that and this is like in the 1940s i think that's when whatever prohibition was the 30s i can I can't remember. I think 30s, 20s, 30s. So one of the characters is married to a lady

that is a Norwegian immigrant. Right. And just the way she talks, it's like, oh, that is how, you can just tell that is how the Norwegian heritage is so thick around here because the way she talks is so much how other people talk. And I get it, like she's putting on an act but it is just funny that the norwegian accent that she's playing an imitation of how she talks it's like a husband

yeah it's like dirty dirty dirty yeah yeah yeah but it's just just that that's what we sound like everything is probably how we sound to people but it's just funny how every time she talks to her husband she says yeah and that's just how so many people around you you know that's where the yep comes and it's all kind of the same thing but the yeah yeah yeah that's funny um what i was gonna say the wire i still haven't watched it yeah i had a revelation though so the wire isn't a new show no okay i thought the wire was a new show no no no no the wire is like from like the the first 2000s i think the first season is like 2000 okay yeah that is news to me um it was um it's pre-sopranos like i think they both they both ended up being on at the same time,

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no, no, no, no but the wire was around in like 2004 and like when i was in like high school yes it was uh season one was 2002 okay so the sopranos did beat the wire what channel did that air on hbo okay it did i do not remember anything like i think at that point it was this was kind of like kind of different tv for the time right uh but like i was super aware of sopranos and uh um deadwood i love deadwood but and that was that time but i guess i just wasn't aware of the wire yeah i still think those are both well deadwood especially around here it has a little more cash because i remember hearing of deadwood well you know here that name makes mean something um i still i would still say that the so the sopranos is way more approachable in the way like you could take anyone and just say, hey, sit down.

We're going to watch this episode of the Sopranos. And even if you don't really know what's going on, you will find something entertaining, interesting in that episode. If you plop someone down in the middle of a wire season, they're going to be like, oh, man, this is I have no clue what's going on. And this makes no sense. Who's the actor? He was in the office for a little while. He's the... Yeah.

What's the line we say on here? We've literally done this before, and... What's the line we say on here, but that Jim's got to get the... The rundown. The rundown. He's British. Yeah, Idris Elba. There you go.

Yeah, and he's British. Yep, and he's in The Wire. But he doesn't have a British accent. He talks in his American accent. Yep. He's. So is he like the main character? No.

Okay. He's just one of them. But also you watched. You watched. Boardwalk Empire. And in that show. The guy's Chucky White. He has the scar across his face.

Yeah. He's. He's one of the most famous. His probably his most famous roles from the wire he's uh um omar he's a street street gangster that has quite the reputation so um god i can't think of that guy's name now but that that was a revelation to me that the wire is not a not a newer show than it is well you, you know, I bet it's like 20 years old. Yeah. That's an oldie.

Huh? Still haven't watched it. Uh, everyone wanted an update on the golf ball. Yeah. We got to get that saga. Um, I'm running it up the flagpole.

I taking this tall to the very top of the top. Um, I talked to the, you know, I talked to the people that run the golf course. They sent me to the HR department for the city because it's a city-owned course. It is also funny that they sent you to the HR department.

Yep. Where dreams go to die, right? This week, so I went there to our city hall, went to the first floor, then went to the second floor. Our city hall building is a really old building. Have you ever been in there? They said, you have to go to the fifth floor and you went and it only went to four floors right like oh they got me yeah have you ever been in there though well like in the actual city hall building or like where you go to like renew like vehicle license no like the city

hall building you know that park that's like the county building where you go oh the city hall is on the side you know the county building is north then there's that parking lot like to the south and then the city hall building is south of that parking lot it's a really old building oh just to the north of the police department oh no north north across it's a really old building i didn't know that you go in and it's all like um small tile floor like it's really like marble kind of marble staircase like the buildings i'm sure you know 120 years old or whatever it's kind of uh and hasn't been updated since then i have not been there yeah okay i'm picturing you in the county building this no no it's a city hall building interesting yes uh so

anyways got the paperwork had to fill out a request for damages, and I've done that and waiting to hear more. But I'm not going down without a fight. But I did say this last week, and it is true. I am far less annoyed by it this week than I was last week. But I'm also not letting it. At this point, it's like you've got to ride this out and see where it takes you. I am. I'm just going to keep on going, point, it's like you got to ride this out, see where it takes you.

I'm just going to keep on going. And if I get a dead end here, I'm going to phase two. So we'll continue to update here. And I still do not have a new windshield either. Just toughing it out. Yeah. And I did drive. It'd be a shame to get a new one.

It's still golfing season. Today was my first day reliving the scene of the crime did you have some ptsd going on you're and i i really thought what would the uh like what i was thinking what are the actual odds that if i would drive by and that would happen again one comes to that would be especially when i live out here and i drive on that road all the time yeah and it's never happened to me has it ever made you think sense have you ever driven by and think about now that it's happened to you i've thought about it once or twice right but um i actually think more about like god this is like the middle of the fairway is like 50 yards maybe more away yeah and i get

it if you have a bad shot but i don don't know. That was a really bad shot. I mean, I've probably done it before and not realized it, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the update. To be continued at more on that. And I wanted to update you guys on one other thing. This is probably the most important thing I saved for right now.

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quarters again would get us to five and a half and then maybe another half and six by the end of the year we might be at six and a half percent i yi uh home interest rate if you're looking at 30-year mortgages i think they're pushed up to right around six now and that is going to go up i wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the year a 30 year uh i don't know i'm not in this you know mortgages are outside of me but just based on that i wouldn't be surprised by the end of 2022 the average 30 year fixed mortgage rate is more like eight percent oh god yeah um how long do they like will that go down 2023 still increasing oh and this is all tent subject to change based on whatever

happens in the greater economic landscape but that's uh that's what it looks like right now as of today well i this just reminded me of another financial thing that we used to talk about quite a bit and we've been really slacking on lately uh have you seen the price of bitcoin lately tanner it's way down way down yeah luckily i don't i mean in this particular case i don't own any uh so it's not affecting me yeah it's uh is it down to is it like 26 000 a bitcoin and it was like 60 i think it's under i think it hit 20 for the first time in like a year or something like that. I wonder what the long-term outlook is. I mean, on an infinite timeline, pretty much everything always goes up.

Right, right. But it's like most things right now. Investments are pretty volatile. Oh, yeah. And most things, a lot of things are doing poorly. I mean, it's with everything going on. A correction, I believe. With everything going on.

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