Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 355: Deadliestlift Mark Rosenberg

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

Big Mark Rosenberg just broke the all time Jefferson Deadlift record with a taint tickling 910 pounds! We talk to him about the world of odd lifts, snap city, suspended ceilings, and Ben Stiller. Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://store.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Massanomics! side everything massonomics welcome back everyone or welcome for the first time if you're new to the show this is episode 355 of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nerfing recorded live from western northeast south dakota and eastern southeast South Dakota. My name is Tanner.

And my name is Tommy. You nailed those directions that time. I got them all. It's like you've been saying it your whole life. I got them all spit out of my mouth this time. Not a problem. This is episode 355. We've got a whole bunch of fun topics to hit on this week.

We've got a fun guest to hit on, of course, this week as well. Is that like a sexual thing? No, it's not. Didn't mean to be sexual, but maybe it will be. If everyone plays their cards right, maybe it will be. You're saying there's a chance. What was all this one in a million talk?

No. But first, before we get into all of that, I wanted to let everyone know that this very episode is brought to you by Juggernaut AI. Juggernaut AI is the training that Tommy and I both use. We've both been using it for many months and seeing a lot of fun progress on that, as well as a mini discord crew members, our supporting members, and many gym members at Mathsonomics use Juggernaut AI for their training.'s pretty sweet it's like having a coach right in your pocket your training is adjusting as you're going you are inputting things like your weaknesses what your weight is what your mood is

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You nailed that one, Tanner. Thank you. It's like riding a bicycle. Does this mean it's my turn? I think that's what balls in your court is, they would say. The balls. Well, actually, this time the ball's not in my court. The power bar is in my court the power

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to go with that. We'll have to lean into that one, one of these future episodes. Tommy, I don't know if you're aware of this. Actually, I do know that you are aware of this, but was that a rhetorical question? Well, that's just how I lead into things sometimes, even when I full well know the answer.

There's this show that I feel like I've taken a lot of heat through the podcast for many months now about watching that I haven't watched at all. And have you still not watched it yet? No, what I'm here to say is this show that I've been getting quite a bit of pressure on through the podcast, through the supporting members, through the Instagram,

through our discord crew that i've been pressured quite a bit on over the last 6 12 months here maybe um i have started to watch letter kenny i was waiting for the twist ending yeah Yeah, of course there's a twist. It is not The Wire. I still have not watched The Wire at all. But what I have watched is Letter Kenny. I've watched a few seasons of Letter Kenny, which there's a whole bunch of seasons of Letter Kenny, first of all.

Pretty good show. So I see this get brought up in the discord all the time and i don't know a thing about this show at all i don't even i don't know a single it could be animated i don't even know you know what you know how i would explain it because uh you have seen um what's the show the three buddies from california that all go to work together you've seen Workaholics it's like a the way the show is made it reminds me in ways of Workaholics only it's the Canadian Hicks kind of

Workaholics like I think that's a fair way to frame it. The way that the show moves and stuff reminds me of that in some ways. How recently was this thing made? Was this show made? I still actively make new seasons as it is even, but it's within, I think, maybe within the last 10 years was the first.

It started on YouTube. The main character is Wayne. I don't know if you're looking at discord but wayne's the one they're saying outstanding and new season just that's uh i think his last name is kiso something like that that guy is the main character and he's uh i believe the brains of the operation and i think he started it on uh on youtube and it just like gained popularity through there and became a show it's like it's a Hulu show now, but originally it wasn't. I think they were kind of putting it out themselves.

I don't know the details of that, but it is funny. It is funny. Do you do a little giggling while you're watching the episodes? Yeah, it's funny. Sometimes I need to be in the mood for it, though, because it is very much like this is the pot calling the kettle black. It very much repeats itself a lot. Like, once you've watched four episodes, you get, like, oh, yeah, this is what these people do, and these are the things that they say, and they say it every time.

And I'm like, yeah, that's kind of what we do on the Mastodonics podcast. It's very much the same sort of thing, and I like it. I think it's good. I like the humor that's kind of what what we do on the massomics podcast so it's very much the same sort of thing and um i i like it i think it's good i like the humor that's involved it's kind of like the different uh it separates the different factions of people within like that community letter kenny is the name of the i think believe fictitious count town in canada population of 5 000 so you've got your quote unquote hicks you've got your skids which is like the people that do meth and stuff and like uh break dance in front of the 7-eleven and you've got your hockey players you know which would be the common group there right and then like everything else is like a subsection of that okay okay and what do you what are you watching this on hulu oh it is okay

yeah it's a it's a hulu show now i got hulu so i could i could potentially watch that yeah it's uh and the episodes are like 20 minutes long you know so you can really plow through and there's a lot of funny you know there's funny references like uh as a midwesterner that are very similar you know they're canadian obviously and it's a one, one, you know, it's 10 more steps over the top probably than life around here. But, uh,

you know, it's a lot of relatable stuff like that. Okay. Okay. Well, I can, I can see myself potentially checking this out then. Yeah.

It's very low commit, you know, it's very, uh, low barrier to entry where you could like watch three episodes in an hour and be like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So that's it.

That's it. I have not watched The Wire, though, still. So stay tuned for that update someday. I just, in my bones, felt like you were not going to say you watched The Wire. I couldn't believe it. And even if you did say, I thought there was going to be a catch there. So, yeah, that does make sense. Yeah.

And also, as one other point of bringing up, just repeating ourselves, the weather, again, has been some weather that we've been having. It's snowed quite a bit here. So what's the weather like way up north there? Snowed quite a decent jag here in the beginning of this week. I had to bust out the snowblower twice. Really? Yeah, I think we got like five inches in about a day there, over two days.

But it ceased. You know, I'm going to be making my, I guess you could almost now say it's my, I kind of want to say my maiden voyage my first voyage back home this weekend so yeah see what the old stomping grounds is all about we'll see if mother nature wants to allow it that's gonna be the first thing because now we're supposedly getting a storm starting like you know and i've heard anywhere from four to nine inches so that's what she said he said nine she said four and We'll meet somewhere in the middle. We do have quite a few fun little things here on our list.

Yeah, we do. We should probably get done with this with the small talk and get to it. Huh? Yeah. Let's not dive all the way in. But, you know, maybe just we'll just start start talking about a few of these things is all. OK, I want to say

first we we hinted at this last week we probably do got to pick up with this we hinted at the brew and boot last week yeah and uh we never actually ended up talking about on the episode but you've been wearing yours a little while now haven't you yeah i've had i've been wearing mine for a solid week now i've been wearing them to work every day do you feel like you're getting them broken in yes they feel a lot better one weekend than they did one day and much much it feels like completely different to tell you the honest truth like it feels much different to one weekend yes that's so that's my first impressions where it's been so long since I've owned a piece of footwear that actually needs to be broken in, you know, like all boots basically do,

but first putting them on, I thought I actually might have the wrong size here. And then even just wearing them around a little bit, it was like, already, this is this, this is the correct size. They're stretching.

I went for a decent walk in them. Was already rubbing my heel kind of raw because that's what boots can kind of do. Especially if you go a decent size walk right off the bat and then since then I've just done basically just wearing them around the house because I don't hardly ever leave the house but um I actually am pretty I'm not a boot I haven't owned I bet the last pair of leather boots that I've owned were I can tell you I probably bought them in 2008 2008 i think i bought a pair of like work boots and i wore those hard for a couple years and destroyed them and i haven't owned a pair of leather boots at all since then yeah and so this is uncharted territory to a certain extent for me but i actually am very excited for it my i do my initial impressions are I already like them more than I thought I would.

So I'm excited to see where that goes as time goes on. Where that road takes you. Yes. Just walk a mile in his boots, why don't you? Exactly. And if you do also, God, this is just starting to sound like an ad, but they actually are a sponsor, I guess, so we can tell people that anyways. But if what we're saying right now, we are talking about the Bruin boot from Barefoot Shoes.

If you want to check them out yourselves, you can use code MASSANOMICS to save 10% on your order. Absolutely. Well, so we'll maybe continue to update as we wear those around a little more. Yeah, that's an item that has some life to it. So we will be getting periodic updates on that as time goes on. All right, good stuff. What about this account?

I believe we're all pretty well aware of Repeat Anomics by this point. I think Repeat Anomics is along listening here tonight. I think he or she gets in and checks out the live podcast pretty frequently. But there's been a new revelation, a more recent. A new contender has entered the ring slightly more recent than repeat anomics there's been a newer one and it is recent enomics has uh thrown their hat in there it's kind of the antithesis of repeat anomics is what i would say right it is and i almost noticed some type of rivalry developing from them right

away. I'm not sure where they, where they stand, um, in that world with each other right now, but I like anything that's going to make accounts related to massonomic stuff. So we have someone covering the, the old books. We have someone covering the new content. We're, we're getting all angles covered here. So we know, Repeat Anomics strictly covers the first period of the Mass Anomics podcast. Is there a hard number there? It's like 120

whatever Tyler's last episode was. That's really the number. In his or her view, that's the full... That really is the Mass Anomics podcast. Whereas Recent Anomics only covers the mass dynamics podcast whereas recent anomics only covers the most recent events in mass you know what i was thinking the other day you know there's the memes online of how everyone

has their own fbi agent that watches them you know yeah what if our fbi agent was repeat anomics and recent anomics and they just got so bored with watching us that they're like, I'm just going to troll these guys a little bit. I'm going to make an Instagram account to really just let them know that I'm there but not let on that I'm their FBI agent watching them. It's almost like a spy versus spy scenario then. Maybe it's...

Repeat Anomics could also be playing double eight well double you think you're saying repeatonomics could also be recentonomics could very well be that would really be the long con wouldn't it would be it's it they they repeatonomics realize that they didn't want to limit themselves so how do you unlimit yourself you just make a second account and do more that's that's there between two, they're able to cover all of history. You know, like they're all encompassing. Uh-huh. They got the whole timeline covered.

So there's already been some gems dropping in there. So we will definitely be keeping tabs on that. Also, just like we'll be staying abreast on the rivalry we will and it also got me thinking seeing them put quotes in there that do you think we've ever said anything in this podcast ever that would be considered profound or knowledgeable ever because they we certainly try not to because the general rule try not to say anything that feels that feels profound. Because the quotes don't seem to indicate that we've ever done anything along those lines.

It feels like most people that are trying to do that sort of thing, it feels like they're trying to do that sort of thing. Oh, God, yeah. Even a lot of the people that aren't trying to do that sort of thing, it feels like they're trying to do that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah. See, this could be a quote right here with the things we just said right there. That's, that's,

there it is. There it is. That's a show. We did, that's a show. We did your job for you at about the 16 minute and 42nd mark. Roughly this week, we got you covered there.

So go follow those accounts if you don't already. Yes. All right. Or only pick one that you like and only follow the one and send the other one hate mail. Okay, Tanner, do you have a beverage? I got a beverage here. I got to crack a beverage. Did somebody say beverage, you know?

I was thinking. Are you watching along? Anyone watching along on YouTube? Boy, do I have a beverage. Let me just grab it here out of my Made in America stainless steel drink spotter. It's a drink spotting

safety device that can be affixed to your favorite power rack. This right here is a 5 8 inch pin variety, but we also make it with a 1 inch pin. And as you can see here with my Topo Chico, it fits in there very nice oh like a glove yep so what do you got i can't wait to pick up one of those this weekend yeah you're gonna get

one aren't you i got a cherry bubbly but what i was thinking that's good if time allows i'm gonna run to the grocery store and get a bunch of flavors that you haven't had so i can drop them off at your house. Right, right. And then we could coordinate them. Because it is the annoying part of having to get a bunch of cans and then mail all of them to you. I don't know what mail fees are these days. You would probably know that.

Could you hear that crispy pop at all? I sure did. Is Topo Chico, is that one flavored or is that just regular? I think it's just uh plain plain jane mineral water there you go still refreshing yes it is i was thirsty too what do you give your uh cherry bubbly cherry is pretty high on my list i believe i always go with a four on cherry that's up there with the all-time greats. And I don't even really care for cherry-flavored things that much. This Topo Chico is good.

I haven't had one for a while. They are. I wonder if the glass bottle adds to the experience. You know, it's like the vinyl record of beverages there. The glass bottles do add an experience to me. I'll be straight up with you. I know I've said this before, but i like my beer best out of a glass bottle i i don't know if we've ever talked about this but i agree with you too beer out of a glass

bottle there's just something special about that oh that hits that hits just so it's beer out of a glass bottle is twice as good as out of a can for me and i know a lot of more of a purist says draft is the preferred method of a beer but i like it out of a bottle it's to me it seems bottle is a funner than a can they're probably consistent in as far as the way is how they hold the actually people would probably say cans better because light can't get to it but right there feels like there's too many variables when it comes to draft between temperature glass temperature how it's poured that it's so hard to get a good consistent beer where a glass bottle man it's hard hard to beat that yeah big big mo said uh when you're on your way back to western northeast south dakota you need to stop through brookings and he's got a sack for you should i uh i'm just looking at discord okay i have to i have to try and make that happen

yep i'll see what i can do i got a whole family unit with me but i'll see what see what uh convincing i can make happen here you know what i always say family shmamily i'm putting it on my to-do list right now. Big Mo Sack. It's been noted. That is a good Topo Chico. Man, I'll give that a four. Just good old bubbly.

Yeah. All right. Do we want to do, Tanner, do you want to play a game before we kick everyone off? Or do we want to talk about some food news? Do you want to play a game? I think we should play a game. Yeah, let to play a game before we kick everyone off, or do we want to talk about some food news? Do you want to play a game? I think we should play a game. Yeah, let's play a game. We can do food stuff after, I guess, if we want to, too.

Yeah, because who knows? We could talk about food stuff for 30 seconds or 30 minutes. It could really go a lot of different directions there. Really? That's so true. Okay, so we've been talking about some things lately, and it got me thinking. Okay, so we've been talking about some things lately, and it got me thinking. And last week, we were mentioning some preferred, some existing bodybuilding names,

some nicknames that you would like to see happen. And I thought, you know what? We're going to play a little bodybuilder name game, and I'm going to throw some bodybuilding nicknames at you, and you're going to see if you can tell me who those nicknames belong to. Okay. So is there a set number that I'm going to do here? Well, I do have a certain one.

I do have 10, actually, a nice even 10. Okay. So this is a game game. Are we doing all 10 today then? We're going to do all 10 today, yes. Okay. So you're going to give me the nickname, and I've got to say the bodybuilder that goes along with that. That it belongs to, yes.

Oh, boy. I bet I'm not going to do very well. Well, you might do okay. You might do okay. And I did intentionally, I have a three that I'm putting in the honorable mention category because I think I've heard of these bodybuilders, but I admit I'm not the biggest bodybuilding historian or even fan. So if the name wasn't like a name I've even heard, I just left it off. So you should be getting somewhat obvious people here or people that I believe you are familiar with. I don't know if this is relevant to the game or if it helps me, but what I do want to keep in mind is that I do know everyone want to be a bodybuilder, but nobody want to lift no

heavy ass weight. I'm actually glad you got that out of the way right before we even started, because I think people would have been thinking about that the whole time. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm glad you cleared the air there. So without further ado, are you ready to get started on the bodybuilding name game let's do it okay these uh i'm gonna say these might progressively get harder as we go i wanted to ease you into this so all right we're starting first name on the list that's a lot of that's what she says right there it is first on the list the austrian oak oh i'm going to arnold very good arnold the first one i. You're one for one. Do we have a sound for that?

Ah, we can make some. Hey, motherfucker. There we go. I'll give myself an award when I get it right. Yeah, you can award yourself. You don't need me. Next on the list, The Blade. The Blade is...

Dexter Jackson is The Blade? That is correct. That is correct. uh, the blade is, uh, uh, Dexter Jackson is the blade. That is correct. That is correct. I didn't want to, uh, screw that one up. Like, but there's a kit.

It's, it's like, I know that, but when you're in the hot seat, it's just a different feeling, isn't it? It is. It certainly is.

Okay. Next on the list, the gift, the gift. Um, I know who the gift is, don't I? Yes,

I think you do. Ah, ah, oh, shoot. Ah, and he's, he won Mr.

Olympia a whole bunch of times. That's his name uh the most recently the most relevant guy like i really don't know anyone after that uh what is his name i can picture him uh just a second you're kind of doing the thing uh what color is that red fire truck? Right. Right. Um, what? I'm not looking at the discord because I'm a, I fear that people are saying it in there. Uh, can we come back to that?

Can we just come back to that one? Yeah, we'll come back to that. Yeah. I actually thought, I actually thought about putting that one first cause I thought it'd be so easy. Maybe even easier than the Austrian oak,

but okay. Okay. We'll come back. Oh, Phil Heath. Phil Heath. There you go. There you go.

That's just one of those things where it's just like it just escapes you yeah all right number four the shadow i'm not sure i think the shadow is dorian yates that is correct you're four you're four for four the shadow is Dorian Yates. That is correct. You're four for four. Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. We're closing in on the halfway mark here, so we're going to take a tiny little break at five and see how you're doing here. Number five

on the name game. The King. Ronnie. There you go. Okay, so you're five for five. You're five for five. Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. People are going to get sick of that sound, but I'm going for it. Are you feeling pretty good after these first five? I feel, no.

No, I feel like you gave me the five. I feel like those are the five that I know. Because I was going to say. I feel bad about the second five. The list is going to take a little bit of a turn for you. It's going to get a little more challenging. Is there a pretty definitive line between the first five and the second five. The list is going to take a little bit of a turn for you. It's going to get a little more challenging. Is there a pretty definitive line between the first five and the second five? I mean, kind of, yeah.

But we're taking it off the easy mode and we're bumping it to like shmedium mode here. Okay. Okay. Here we go. The chemist. That's a funny name for a bodybuilder, things considered but i don't know who that i mean that it would insinuate that someone that's uh wild with their drug drug work right that's what that is well and contrary to what big keith is

saying it is not the liver king either in case that's what you're thinking uh i don't know who it is but i'm i mean i gotta wager a guess right i'll say um who would be someone that's well like i can give you a hint i can give you a hint oh is there oh yeah i would love a hint he is in a movie that plays at the gym. Oh, it's that Generation Iron one, I'm guessing. It's maybe in there. I don't know. I'm going to go with Rich Gasparri or something like that.

That's my best guess. That's actually not a terrible guess, but it is Frank Zane from Pumping Iron. Okay. I think he's the guy that has the longer hair. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Why was he the chemist? I was picturing a more modern-aged...

Well, I think the... I believe the thing most people jump to is the steroid thing with chemists, but yeah, I think he was a chemistry teacher. Like he was actually, yeah. Yeah, I think he actually understood chemistry or was a teacher or something like that. I believe that's where that comes from. Okay, next on the list, The Myth. Now, have you noticed how every single one of these nicknames

starts with the so far? It's true. It's all the thing. The Myth. I don't know who that is i'm gonna go with uh oh serge sergio olivier or whatever his name is and that is correct you know oh oh i got that right that's really good you know why my brain went to that because i know people talk about him as having like

kind of like the physique you know like i do remember like almost a myth that that physique existed right and i i just know his name because i think he was olympia and like the i think it said like 67 68 and i recognized the name i did not know his nickname was the myth i'd never heard that but doing this looking at some photos of him man yeah his physique his arms are insane yeah like i think some a lot of people like consider him to have almost like the perfect physique kind of sort of thing right super tiny waist right it just yeah that guy that guy had it figured out and then it's crazy his uh his son junior uh also does bodybuilding he he got he placed at the arnold in like 2020 so things go full circle i guess they really do okay uh next on the list

a few of these a few so a few of these nick people have multiple nicknames from what I can gather. So I'm going to give you the first nickname for this next person. And if that doesn't help, then I'm going to give you the second nickname that I found for them. Okay? Okay. So next on the list, nickname, Quadrasaurus. Someone with big legs, right? Oh, who is the shadow? Dorian Y yates that's what we said the shadow oh uh quadrosaurus i'm thinking tom platts is my first guess can i hear the second uh uh

second clue yes this might uh give you a better hint the texas titan oh then i think it's branch warren so and that would be correct okay branch warren so i get a yippee-ki-yay motherfucker yeah branch warren i'm doing pretty good you are i'm i'm pretty shocked actually the first five were fairly easy but i i kind of thought there was a good chance you might not get any in the next five all right So we're down to our final two here. And these, these might be the two toughest in the entire thing. This next person also has multiple nicknames. So I'm going to feed you one at a time. And if you would like the next nickname, you just tell me and I'll pass that one to you. How many nicknames is there for this person? There are three. Okay. Okay. I might need all three just to like start to triangulate my

position on this okay okay here we go uh the first nickname for this for this individual the predator kai green that's my guess can i just have another can i hear another uh yeah other choice yeah i want i want you to keep asking nicknames no matter what. The second option. And these are taking... Okay, the second option. Mr. Getting It Done. That one doesn't mean as much to me.

I'm not sure if that one... Would you like the third one? Yeah, I need the third one. Okay, and this is pulled directly from Wikipedia. And I hope this doesn't give too much away for you. Are you ready for this? Yeah. The human grapefruit juicer.

Yeah, that's definitely Kai Greene. That one's a giveaway. So it says that in Wikipedia? Yeah. In Wikipedia, his three nicknames that are listed are The Predator, Mr. Getting It Done, and The Human Grapefruit Juicer. I like that. Kai Greene up there with the greatest to never win it all, I think.

No kidding. Just massive. Yep. And he's got style points, too. Also, I think he played one of those kids on Stranger Things. Yeah. Wasn't he 11? Was that his name?

Okay. And now this final one is a bit of a wild card. I've been asking you nicknames so far. I've been asking you nicknames so far. I've been telling you nicknames. Do I have to name somebody's nickname? Actually, you know what? No, this one isn't a wild card. This one actually follows the format perfectly.

It's the same as that one. I scratch everything I just said there. Okay. This next one, last one. Flex Wheeler. What's his real name oh it's wheeler even his last name that's i can't i can't give anything away um maybe that's his real name is that could it be a trick question well i was just under the assumption flex wither was his real name the entire time okay okay you can you can let that

change your judgment however you might think um i'm gonna go with Thomas. Thomas, what? Wheeler. No, Thomas Wheeler. His real name is Kenneth Wheeler. Oh, I feel like I'm not that far off. You actually kind of weren't.

Yeah. I get confused as a Kenneth a lot of times. Well, I think you ended up there. You missed Flex. You missed Frank Zane. Were those the only two you missed? I think so. Wow.

Eight for ten. I almost forgot who Phil. I couldn't remember Phil Heath's name. You almost did miss that. Yes. You branched miss that, yes. You branch-worn, you got him the second nickname. Kai Green, you got the Predator right away. I'd never heard that before.

Well, it's the hair, I think, right? Maybe, yeah. Okay, so you went 8 for 10. I do have a couple honorable mentions here. I didn't include these because I thought these names were too out there, but these will be the bonus point names real quick. The Golden Boy, Ever heard that one? Oh, Ric Flair, right? No, not in this case.

The Golden Boy. Just wait. Who's maybe got a golden bronze appearance to them? I don't know. Flex Lewis. No, this is Larry Scott. I don't know. Flex Lewis. No, this is Larry Scott. I don't know who that is for sure.

Then there is the Golden Eagle. Oh. And you did say this person's name in the game. Is it Tom Platz? It is. Okay. And I wouldn't have known that one without that last clue, though. That guy, I've maybe seen the name before, but he is crazy.

His legs are on another level. It doesn't make sense. That's why when you said Legosaurus or whatever, I thought maybe that was him. That was a great guess. After what I've learned in my research here, that was an awesome guess. And then final one on the list, the giant killer. The giant killer. Dexter Jackson, I thought he would be the giant killer he is not it's uh danny padilla okay don't know there you go some fun nicknames but

that uh that was a good game i think we had a lot of fun with that one i I think so. Shout out to Bar Bend and Generation Iron for having lists of bodybuilding nicknames. Really made that easy. That's good. Should we do a little supporting our supporting members? Yeah, let's do it. All right. This is a relatively new segment to the Massanomics podcast.

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Probably, yeah. Let's support our supporting members first though. You get information on drops before other people do in cases. You get early access to drops. There's a discount code in there for you. All kind of perks to becoming a supporting member. We also just sent out a mailing to all supporting members. So it went out this morning as the time we're recording.

So by the time this podcast comes out live, you should for sure have that in hand. Unless you're a, we had about, well, we had a number of them that I had to put on $1.40 worldwide stamps to go out to. So those ones probably take a little longer. Until we record next week and you say, actually, all of those came right back to my house. We'll see how many get returned to sender. Hopefully, like, less than 50. So there's a surprise in there for everyone.

Nobody else knows what that is yet, but that's on the in route to everyone now. And then lastly, if you get signed up, you have this chance to be supported each week, which we do on the podcast. The supporting members that we're choosing to support back to this week are Big Andrew. He competed in the Home Gym Discord Winter Classic and it was also his Juggernaut AA mock meet. He hit a 415 squat, a 260 bench, a 445 deadlift for an 1120 total.

So great job, Big Andrew. This Topo Chico is really giving me the gassy burps right now. Holy cow. I see that. Next up, Big Joey. He did a meet this last weekend he had a 325 squat a 171 bench and a 441 deadlift for a 937 total so well done big joey then last but of course not least we've got big ashley she did a powerlifting meet this weekend too where she hit a 350 squat a 185 bench a 340 deadlift for an 875 total. So awesome work, Big Ashley.

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Yeah, that was his first one. And so congratulations. Got the kinks worked out so now you can really cut loose sometimes just getting out there and uh getting out it's the biggest hurdle and trying it out once from there it's out it's downhill sledding right that's right so then our drop we should mention the drop right we should yes um should we go over in very intimate details what it consists of? Well, we should at least give a brief rundown.

Okay. We do have a guest. Should I hold one up on camera here? Yeah, do you got something there? Yeah, I have the... I guess I'm in the fulfillment center, so I got all kinds of stuff here, too. We have the Squats tea. Oh, baby. You could say this harkens to beers of old, almost.

Beverages of old. Yeah. And this is on a color we've never printed. We've wanted to do this. Um, so just as squats large across the chest, you'll have to, can you move it like a little more center to here?

Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Squats right on the chest. It's on kind of a, it's like a tan color.

I forget what the actual color of the shirt is. It's like a cream. Yeah. And we've been wanting to print on that shirt for a long time but we've just needed the right thing and now here it is it's out there so be on the lookout for that one it's a comfy it's a comfy nice one too it is and then we also have oh we have another flag i don't know if i want to open this whole thing but we have the official weight is a number heavy is a feeling flag that came out as well and it is slightly smaller than some of our other flags we've had some really big flags in the past i like to say this one's right size i noticed you had that in the description is it 24 by 36 is that what it is i think approximately it's the

same height as the lift shit flag. I believe I might be, or maybe it's turned sideways. I forget either way. Look at the description on the website, but it's a weight is a number heavy as a feeling black and white band are black and white flag. It's got a white border, black banner,

all four corners. It really does. Right. Sized. Right. Sorry. Right. Size.

Yeah, it's great. And that's. Right-sized. Very right-sized. Yeah. It's great. And that's it for this drop. Yep. Right. So be on the lookout for that. Flag. Yeah, am I saying flag weird?

Is that not how you say flag? Is that like how Midwest people say bag? Would you like a bag as opposed to bag? Yeah. Flag. Flag. Bag. Bag. Okay. So that's the drop.

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We keep our eye on it while we record, and some things we choose to ignore and some things we choose to acknowledge. I mean, let's be honest. We ignore most things. We ignore most of it, but sometimes— We do acknowledge the occasional thing. Sometimes it makes me kind of like laugh under my breath when I don't say anything about it. I get one of those good nose breaths.

Yeah, but some things are just better left unsaid, I suppose. Tanner, should I remove you from this room or do you want to stay in here? That won't work as well. I'll stay. Okay. Alright, should we get Big Mark on the horn? Yeah, let's do it. And let me know how the volume is on your end once we get going. Yeah, I got it cranked here, so we should be good.

Hello? Big Mark, is that you? Yes, it is. Oh, we're excited to have you on the Mass Anomics Podcast with Tanner and Tommy. I'm excited to be here. What's up, Mark? How's it going? Not much. It's a little bit later than I usually stay up, but totally worth it. Hey, rules are meant to be broken.

No, we're very excited to get you on. I mean, without further ado, obviously, what really warranted this is you set the biggest lifting record of all time as of recently here, didn't you? Mm-hmm. Just a little lift over 900 pounds. Nothing too important, but I know it's very important to you guys. It means everything to us. So you did a 910-pound Jefferson deadlift, which puts you first, the heaviest Jefferson deadlift that we are ever aware of.

Yep. I mean, I would go with Yep. Uh, I mean, yeah, I would go with that too. I mean, it's kind of hard to know. It's such an obscure lift for sure. But at least one,

so heaviest known I'm perfectly up with it's better than saying maybe like world record or something, but yeah, definitely a massive lift. I was super happy with it. And, uh, it'd be at the top of the massonomics leaderboard is,

uh, carry on top, I think. Yeah. So were you aware of the massonomics leaderboard is carry on top, I think. Yeah. So were you aware of the massonomics leaderboard leading up to your lift? I was already on there in the second place, so. Oh, okay. Show us how much I pay attention to the leaderboard.

Yeah. I found out about it maybe six months ago-ish I said well I guess I'll have to revisit Jefferson because I'd done them in the past just because at some point I heard hey there's a deadlift where you put the barb on your legs and I'm like well why not but I never really

pushed singles on it so there's a little board I guess I'll have to put some numbers on there I think I did eight plates sometime earlier last year, and then nine plates this summer. And then at the end of last year, I'm going to see how far I can get this one. And I got up to 910 for the first pitch position. So we obviously saw the recorded 910.

Have you ever tried more than that? Or did you get the 910 and you stopped, then that was the end of the day? Nope, I worked up to that 910. I did one at, I don't want to say 855, and then I did one at 900, which I didn't know I didn't just jump right to 910. I wanted to get at least a solar jump because I would have hated if I just barely missed it because I was being too greedy. But after 900, I'm like, well, I can get 910.

And then once I got that, I'm like, I have to replace. And I figured I'll leave the next jump for another day. It was always really hard. And I didn't want to end the day on a failure. So where do you think your ceiling's at for the Jefferson deadlift? Do you have any desire to try and go above the 910? out of failure so so where do you think your ceiling's at for the jefferson deadlift like do you think uh uh do you have any desire to try and go above the 910 and do you think you could at some point go above the 910 uh yes and yes um i thought it was a relatively easy heavy max single dead

i mean if you're maxing out your deadlift it's gonna be hard either way but i think i could have gone a little bit heavier that day, and I don't think I've hit my absolute peak yet. So I don't want to call anything right away, but I'll say I feel pretty confident I'll get my deadlift in general, which between conventional and Jefferson, it's about equal. I think I'll get to at least 945 at some point. Okay. Maybe I'll get caught in that shot, but I feel pretty least 945 at some point. Okay.

Maybe I'll get caught in that shot, but I feel pretty good about that at some point, probably in the next couple of years or so. Do you think, I mean, this is just kind of speculative completely, but do you think there's anyone out there that is going to be able to push above your 910 to give you a little extra motivation to go above that? I mean, if i'm being honest i think there's plenty of people out there right now if they just decide they want to test a heavy max jefferson deadlift could beat 910 because i think for most people it's going to be pretty

close to conventional i mean maybe that's just me that they're so equal i feel like we'll be with it but i think anyone who's like a mid 900 pound puller or more could just walk into the gym and probably top 9 10 and the only reason they haven't done is because either they know that jefferson devils is a thing or they have some more important things they're working on but uh that's because they lack taste so yeah that's true they just like they're not as refined but like to be fair i to be fair, it's not like there's a lot of people that are in that category. There's maybe a few. It's not a large category, but I have no illusions that there aren't at least some pullers out there who, if they so choose, could definitely top that.

Definitely a small group, but it's a group that exists so okay so the jefferson deadlift isn't the only quote-unquote odd lift that you do um how did like could you explain your training a little bit for someone that maybe hasn't followed along with you isn't aware of what you're doing like how would how do you explain your training of like what you kind of do yeah so the distinction i think that i have to make every time i talk about this is that my training is fairly mundane i train like i imagine most people train i'm not doing these weird lifts kind of like as a training thing i don't like go downstairs and working sets of search or deadlift or something they're just a thing i like to do to express the strength i build more conventional means so instead of just continuously maxing out like a regular squat bench and deadlift i decide to max out these more unusual or completely made up lists just because

to me it's more fun and i think it's a bit more interesting and uh it tends to be polarizing but there's a lot of people that really seem to enjoy it So, yeah, I don't train the weird lifts. I just like to do them. So if I'm at the end of the day where I've got to introduce them, like, well, you know what? Let's see what I can max out on or whatever I can come up with. Yeah, right on. Tommy, was he cutting out on you there for a second? I just want to check that.

Just a little bit, yeah. Oh, okay. I don't know. Can you hear us all right a second? I just want to check that. Just a little bit, yeah. Oh, okay. I don't know. Can you hear us all right? Yeah, I can hear you all right. Okay. You can notice on my side, and I'll hit up the phone. Okay.

Oh, maybe we're all right. So, yeah, I guess your point being, like, that is probably what some people's perception is, that you're walking down there and training these odd lifts constantly. But, no, your point is you're getting strong through similar means that conventionally a lot of people might be getting strong. Yeah, I try to really emphasize that because there are some people out there who own their names,

but there are some senior men in the social media influencer sphere that kind of try and take all these really strange lifts and purport them as being some crazy train goals i think there are definitely some odd lifts or some more obscure lifts that do have real vital reasons for being trained but a lot of stuff i'm doing is they're just stunts they're just fun things to do you already have the strength i really want to be super clear to a lot of people that don't do these things expecting to get stronger from them do them once you've already become strong they're just a way to use your clear to a lot of people that don't do these things expecting to get stronger from them.

Do them once you've already become strong. They're just a way to use your strength in a more interesting way than some of the more conventionalists. Right, right, a way to use your strength. That's good. That's actually kind of a mass economics popular phrase is use your strength. So that actually is a good call out there. So those things you do, how do you think do they transfer over to – so we've got a lot of people that compete and say – that listen and compete in sports like powerlifting and strongman

and that sort of thing. That stuff do you do? You said it's kind of stunts and stuff like that, but do you think there's any carryover to the other more common sports at all? Yeah. but do you think there's any carryover to the other more common sports at all? Yeah, I found that some of them, not as out of lift, but lifts I have just done just because I wanted to do them for fun, have had some carryover. One example is once I got the Mars bar,

it's a specialty safety squat bar. It's like the low bar equivalent. So I got that and I just kind of went all nuts with ox lifts and really heavy half-fields and other, what I would call cheaty squats. I just have lifting weight more than I could normally squat by cheating a little bit. And I just mostly did it because I wanted to squat big weights. But I found that the amount of breaks you had to do with lifting big weights and really pushing through your quads, that really had a lot of carry over to my conventional deadlifts, especially my week that was off the floor. I'd been a week off the floor for almost my entire training career, but then after a little

bit of messing with that and then some other stuff, I found that the staff switch, like next time I went back to my conventional, it was like night and day difference, and it hasn't really been an issue for me since. So sometimes I find a weird lift that does have carry over to a more conventional lift. Sometimes I find a weird lift that does have to carry over to a more conventional lift. But in a more general sense, one value to the weird lifts that I've found is that I constantly force myself to max out lifts that I have no real technical practice in. I've developed kind of a better general awareness of my body and kind of a general skill. So I'm faster to pick up new movement patterns than I used to be just because I've done that so many times where I kind of throw myself into, well, I've never practiced this, but now I have some access out. So I think that's kind of just helped me pick up new movements.

And more importantly, if I'm doing a regular movement and I get into a bit of a compromised position, you know, sometimes you're missing the groove and you're suddenly thrown to somewhere you're not as experienced with. I've gotten better at recovering from that than I used to be, and I haven't had as many issues with kind of random injuries since I started doing all the goofy lists. So I think that's probably the biggest value there. It's not something I necessarily would say in which you go

and do all these options just for that benefit. It's just kind of a little perk I found from spending so much time doing them. So you think that they may be kind of bulletproof you a little bit? Would you say that's it? Yeah, definitely. It's kind of an ironic concern. I just had a small back injury last week, pulling, of all things, a completely normal, conventional deadlift at 600 pounds.

So it's always basically the deload stuff that gets you. But other than that, I haven't had nearly as many issues with my back and i think part of that is just general training experience and training age and getting stronger period but i think some of that is that i've put my back through a lot of strange positions with pretty heavy loads over the last about one or two years and i think at some point your body just has to pick up and be like you know what if you're gonna make me keep doing this i'm gonna figure out how to properly break to how to use those muscles in a way it's not gonna damage them if you're gonna make me keep doing it this way well the back thing specifically is kind of an interesting thing like

um maybe as people get into lifting a little bit and they start to know a few things about it people will commonly pick up that rounded back and sometimes and a lot of lifters it's even just only their upper back that's rounded and they'll say oh look it's it's terrible form you know it's terrible form and that's such a common thing that maybe people with a little bit of knowledge will will start to say and like those that have been at it longer and maybe know a little more you start to realize you know it might not be terrible form it might be that person's form and um i don't know there's almost more of a range of kind of acceptable form more than there is one right form right absolutely one certainly yes i basically

exactly what you're saying is something i just i really love preaching um because i kind of uh i tip my shoulder when i come to the former channel because one of the reasons that i kind of started doing all the readers list is because i'd be reading through comment sections on posts or forums or Reddit or whatever, and people would keep talking about stuff like you mentioned, like, oh, you round your back a little bit, you're going to get injured. If you lift it this way, you're going to get injured. You can't lift that way.

You can't lift this way. This is bad. This is dangerous. And I'm like, no, none of that is true. And now that I have all the equipment, 15 seconds on my base, I'm going to go downstairs and show you that the thing that you're saying is dangerous is not dangerous. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it right then.

I'm going to take this video. I'm going to respond to your comment with it. And that was what kind of got me started with doing some of the stranger lift is it was basically just kind of a spike thing. And I tried to carry it to something more positive, whereas instead of rubbing people's face and, hey hey you're looking at me doing this dangerous lift and i'm fine i'm trying to be a little hey look this is what your body can do if you properly compare it and what you're talking about with form being arranged and that uh it's not necessarily how it looks the higher performance is completely on point because i like to say that form doesn't matter but then i have to add the caveat that technique absolutely does and i think that's an important distinction because what you're actually doing when you

perform a lift isn't always fully relayed in what someone watching you sees like your form is only telling part of the picture and when you're rounded back in a beginner could be indicative indicative of that technique and it could be an issue. But obviously when I run my back, I know I'm doing it. I'm doing it for a purpose and it's a technique that helps me look more. So I think, yeah, people that only know a little bit, they know that a beginner probably shouldn't be running their back because they don't want to do it properly. But then they don't understand that with experience, you can absolutely run your back.

And you probably should if you want to make a good desert. Yeah, that makes sense. What's Snap City, first of all? We're kind of flirting on the edge of Snap City, so what would you say Snap City is? Snap City is

a frame of mind. I like that. It's a frame of mind i like that it's a mindset yeah it's a mindset it's like a meme response it's been around for longer and i've been using this kind of my little brand but i i get obviously in my particular types of videos lots of comments about oh you're going to snap city or snap city or all that kind of stuff because that's you know people are parents and i just say same three dumb meme comments all the time so after seeing snap city in my comment sections for like the hundred millionth time i'm like you know what i'm going to take that and run with it i'm going to reclaim snap city and turn it from this boring lazy meme insult into a positive thing i'm going to snap city is a place you can go to that city.

And guess what? If you go to that city, it's because you're strong. The home is strong. So I just made that street sign because I thought it would be a fun thing to hang in my home gym. And people kept asking about that. And I'm like, all right, well, here's the design. If you want to print out your own. And then I made some t-shirt designs just because I thought it would be fun.

and then I made some t-shirt designs just because I thought it would be fun. People seem to have at least partially latched on to this, and people really like the whole Snap City idea. So, yeah, more power to them, more power to me. Snap City Home is strong. And you have this drive, the Snap City Drive, with all kinds of stuff in there, right? Yeah, and we were digging around a little bit, and for people that don't't know if they hop onto Instagram, they can see the, uh, the link in

your bio there. Yeah. Deadliest lift is Mark's, uh, Instagram handle to deadliest lift. And you start digging through there and there is a surprising amount of content you actually have in there. Like you almost need that on a website. Yeah. I mean, maybe at some point I should transfer it over, but I just kind of started accumulating all these write-ups and short essays I'd done. And I'm like, well, I should put these all in one place where they're more easily accessible versus digging through my post history and various platforms. So, yeah, I mean, people definitely, I think, mostly follow me and know me for all of the weird lists. But I do have a smaller kind of self-following that are getting a lot of value out of the information I put out.

That's almost what I'm more proud of because it's making a real, tangible, positive difference. I mean, it's fun to post that list. I'm glad that people find it entertaining, but when people message me saying, hey, I read this post about whatever, and it really clicked with me

and I understand things so much better, or when they message me and say, hey, I've been running that program, and I understand things so much better. And they, uh, that's just music. I've been running that program lately and I've made some really good strength games. Like that is what really makes me excited, which really keeps me wanting to keep doing this is because, uh, there's a positive impact to open madness and not just,

uh, silly meme videos. Yeah, that's, that's cool. What, uh, speaking of the silly

meme videos, if you had to pick say, I don't know, three of your favorite odd lifts that you've ever done, whether they're PRs or whatever it is, what would you say is on your Mount Rushmore of deadliest lift lifts?

Oh man, okay. Because you've clarified weird lifts, i'm trying to stick to the more usual ones like obviously i'm incredibly proud of the 910 jefferson but uh jefferson isn't really that far conventional so it's not really that weird to listen my mind right so probably the least weird one that i'm really proud of is the uh zurcher that lift i mean that's a thing that exists it's not completely made up but uh that's a thing that exists. It's not completely made up, but that's the other lift I hold kind of an unofficial or at least highest recorded world record type deal. And so I've Zurcher deadlifted 550 pounds on that

specifically all the way from the floor that I lifted to the knees and then Zurcher gripped and squatted up. So I'm very proud of that one because it's such a big lift and this kind of my first, um, time I did a weird lift. I was like, well, that's when they were done.

So other weird ones. Let's see. I have, I call it squat 360. It's basically unwrapping the bar to like an X squat position. And then while standing up, you kind of spin it around your shoulder to a front squat position. And then spin it back around to the back, and you throw in a squat at each of the stops. So squats beginning a front squat and then an R-back squat.

At some point, I'll throw in like a half-shoulder bazooka squat. But that's one of the few odd lifts that the first time I tried it, I just completely failed. And I actually had to put a little bit of work into doing it to fully work out a weight I was happy with. So, plus it's probably the most painful lift I've ever done. Like that bar sitting right on your collarbone and on your clear throat. It's between your neck and your shoulder. But it's not fun. I've drawn blood with that lift.

neck and your shoulder, but it's not fun. I've drawn blood with that lick. Just by sheer pain tolerance that I go through with it. And then it's a third place. I'm going to go with, I've done, I have, okay. So I have some Atlas stones in my garage because I have competed locally in Stormy and the 4K, probably will again. But I also have an Atlas stone that I sunk a kettlebell handle into. So it's basically a 300 pound Atlas stone with a kettlebell handle. Kettlebell. Yeah.

With a 300 pound giant obnoxious unwieldy kettlebell. So I've done a lift where I stand on two different Atlas stones, one for each foot. I have the kettle stone in the middle, and I get all the way down, and I grab it, one-arm Zurcher grip, and I deadlift up from there. So I think just that's a mixture of balance, the Zurcher. I thought that was just a really fun one. It kind of stuck out when I was digging through that mental library of all the things I've done. It feels like it really harkens back to the old Strongman days. Harkens is another

Masonomics buzzword. So you're kind of hitting on a lot of good Masonomics buzzwords. We like when kind of hitting on a lot of a lot of good uh massonomics buzzwords we like we like when when things harken back like that so that's perfect clearly great men think alike yes so you did have you uh i think you haven't done a powerlifting meet before but you have done one strongman competition now is that right i've done one informal powerlifting meet for charity it was just super crazy about it i don't think i'd ever do any kind of powerlifting again just because i powerlifting is not interesting to me or fun at all yep um i know some people stop them but it's really not my thing and i've done one local strongman so that's something i probably would do

again i don't want to necessarily get too serious in a strongman i wouldn't travel very far to go to a meet or anything but this one's like 15 minutes from my house every summer and you know one show a year to take the time to specifically train for that and then spend the day doing that i mean that's fun enough i mean it's not like something i want to dedicate all my training to but um it's an enjoyable time i enjoyed uh getting a chance to kind of lift out in a different environment. It's lucky that our competitors, that was a blast. Like, everyone's so

excited and supportive. It's fun and neat, so that was a good time. So yeah, that's something I'll probably do again, but I'm not going to, like, try and become, like, a national strongman or whatever. Right. That's understandable.

We saw you made some pretty cool, it looked like plates that you made out of manhole covers. Yeah. What did that come about? And have you made, and then you're talking about your kettlebell that you, you know, a 300 pound kettlebell that you kind of made homemade.

What other equipment have you kind of come up with? Yeah. So the manhole covers are actually originally i got them with the old crappy leg press that i bought in march or may not march uh early 2020 so kind of like the middle of the pandemic uh or someone was selling this old like 40 year old leg press and the equally old f race for really super cheap on craigslist that i didn't really have much of the time so i'm like, I'll get that. So he sold me this leg press and it came with

those four.100 pound manual cupboards which at the time had about one inch hole so they fit on the standard leg press. And they sat there for years and years and years and I kept looking at them like, I wish I could use those on my Olympic plates. But I thought I would need to take them to a machine shop or something

to get it drilled out and that just seemed like too much hassle until eventually I mentioned this, the desire to win. You know, that's not super, it's like a cast iron or whatever. You could drill through that with an end hole power drill. So I got some bits and I drilled those out just a couple months ago. And that's basically the whole story is basically took some circular little bits and drilled a two inch hole in the middle of these manhole covers and they work out pretty well um i usually just i initially did this got to be cool but then they do pack on a lot of weight per inch of sleeve space compared to anything else they have so they've been kind

of useful for loading up the super heavy like rack hold right okay and they look really cool too yeah yeah they look really cool uh yeah if only i didn't have like the bumps on the one side they'd be super skinny and they had like that cool spider pad on the back side oh it really kind of caught me by surprise how many people didn't realize that those are manholes. I think it's pretty obvious looking at them, but I had so many comments asking where you got those plates and they're manholes. I just drove to Pulse and never...

That's good. Is there any other... What lifters out there that also do kind of cool creative lifts and stunts and that sort of thing? Who do you like following along with that stunts and that sort of thing? Who do you like following along with that does kind of similar sort of thing?

Yeah, that's one thing. I've only been kind of active on Instagram for a little over a year now, but one thing I've enjoyed about that time is that there are, it's kind of like a small niche community that I've got a lot of network guys. There's obviously Atlas Powerfunk. He's probably

a go-to person if you actually want to apply some of the specifically odd lists. Not the weird lists, but he's really big on what I would call normal odd lists and specifically the old-timey lists. So he definitely incorporates a lot of common lists into his training to obviously great effect. So if you want to actually take the weird lists, or not the weird lifts, but the odd lifts and use them as a training tool, he's definitely worth following. Mikey may be me. I know you guys know him. Absolutely.

Big Mikey is a podcast veteran himself, the MathSymmetrics podcast veteran. Yeah. Big Mikey obviously has kind of just nailed the presentation. He really just, the spectacle is pretty clear by how well perceived they are. So he's latched onto something there. And every show I watch, I don't have this kind of showmanship. I can't do this kind of, this level of display. So he's definitely, I have a lot of fun talking to him and following him around.

I'm going to butcher his name, but there's Lucian Kreuter. I don't know. He's from Romania. He's also kind of like Atlas. I'd say he's between Atlas and Nike. He definitely trains a lot of the old school lifts, but he also has no problem doing comes from the stranger ones. I've done like just recently I've been bench pressing the literal bench.

Yeah. And after the first time he had the going one up me. So this just yesterday, even I had the, and then I think today he posted who he shipped me a little bit. So it's kind of fun to get in those little. Informal back and forth on the other side of the planet doing just a completely wacky made-up lift um i think i've done that less formally with uh eager before too uh we don't really talk about this it's a while a little bit later he'll get so everyone knows so everyone and there's no

communication there's no mention is it that we see each other's lifts, and I think that's all it takes for us to want to see each other. So I think he's probably also on the more popular side too. So I wouldn't be surprised if anyone who knows me or doesn't know Igor. It's funny, like even within, we're talking about like this niche of kind of creative lifting and stuff, but you can still separate some of you into slightly different categories. No, Mikey, he's really

good on making the spectacle and the production and putting that into it. You maybe like the odd lifts, but maybe even a step beyond the odd lifts to even the odder lifts or the oddest lifts. And then Atlas Power... Yes. the odd lifts to even the odder lifts or the oddest lifts.

The oddest lifts are the hard lifts. Yes. Hard to express at the point where Nike's done them. There's definitely flavors of the odd lifting. I think they all get lumped together, but if you're a connoisseur like I am, you can definitely tell the different vintages

and all the different characteristics of each person's particular flavor of hot lift. That, where you're pressing the bench, looked really dangerous. Like, there's an element to that where it could... Like, have you ever had an injury?

Yeah, really high. No, even that bench one, I didn't think that was particularly dangerous because i mean yeah it could fall over but not going to like instantaneous slip it's going to be a tipping thing so there's time to react and i load up with bumpers like the worst case i get bumped and i have the bumper which isn't fun but it's not like i'm looking at metal plates on top of the bench right i guess that's why they call it a bumper. Yeah. Not a breaker.

I didn't think that was crazy dangerous. If I got to a point where it was super heavy, I would just fail to get the initial balance to even start going. A lot of these self-limiting in that regard, I'm not super concerned about the danger. They're low

or kind of kept low by the fact that I don't have excessive technical practice. self-limiting in that regard. I'm not super concerned about the danger. They're low or kind of kept low by the fact that I don't have excessive technical practice. If I'm loading up my deadlift, that is a skill where I have made that movement as efficient as possible, so I'm limited more by just the pure force production potential of my body and not so much my technical expertise. So I think there's more chance for danger there. There's more chance for injury. Whereas if I'm just making up a lift and I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, the load is still relatively low

compared to what my body can handle. So I've never been injured. I think that one time I got slightly injured by an odd lift, and that was just like a two-week-long knee tweak. But other than that, for all the weird, odd, dangerous-looking lifts I've done, I've never been seriously injured in any capacity by any of them.

I've had definitely more training impacting injuries come from my normal list than I have on my god list. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Big Mark, we've got this special game we like to play with every guest. It's called Overrated or Underrated, and we've got a special deadliest lift set of overrated, underrated topics. So the rules are pretty simple. You just have to remember, you have your druthers to elaborate as much or as little on each topic as you'd like. But the most important part is you can't ride the line. By the end of it, you have to ultimately determine if each topic is overrated or underrated.

Alright. Okay, so first topic. Topic number one. Overrated or underrated? Suspended ceilings. Underrated. Underrated. In addition to being compliant with code for, you know, basements finishing, they also allow you to have a office aesthetic to your gym, so you know that you're going to work when you go down to your basement gym. And while they will keep all your quarters and stuff hidden away, when you really do need that

extra space, you just pop the tie button and all the extra room is right there. It's definitely under it. I think that more home gyms should be incorporating drop ceilings into their design. The old expandable ceiling trick. It seems like you've really found a good way to be able to incorporate your ceiling into

some of your lifts, which I really like. Yeah. I mean, the first time, I'm like, well, I need to pop the ceiling tile up for a depth scene. And when I rewatched that video before I posted it, I knew I hit on something special. I had a good feeling about it. I saw that my head was completely

hitting the shadows up there and I'm like, yeah, this is something that is going to click well. I like even on

when you're pressing the bench, you take a smell of ammonia and you chuck it up through the ceiling tile.

Yeah, I figured I'd add just a little recurring gag for my loyal supporters. I think any way you can continue to incorporate your ceiling from this point on is a win. It can become one of the

trademark factors here. Yeah, you've got to keep sneaking in. You can't go fully on board on the ceiling. That's just repeating the one time you struck gold, but I definitely want to keep a little mentions of it. Yeah. Yeah, I like that.

Okay. Overrated or underrated, the Camber squat bar? Oh, 100% underrated. I keep speaking about how much I love this bar, and so many people have just either either a never heard about it or never tried using it um for anyone who's not really familiar with the cambered squat bar

i'm talking about the kind that has the big long drop down and then the weight holding sleeves that kind of go out parallel to the bar that goes on your back so not like like a Duffalo-style bendy bar, but a full-on U-shaped camber bar. And I think a lot of people think, well, I can't squat. Specifically, if they have shoulder issues, their first thought is safety squat bar. Whereas I think that the camber bar, and I don't personally have shoulder issues,

but I think this would be one of the bigger uses for it. It's a lot closer to your standard barbell squat my safety swap bar is and most of the time they're cheaper too i personally like it not so much because it gets past the mobility issue even though ever since i started using myself i do have a bit more difficulty getting into position with a barbell squat but that's fine because i don't particularly enjoy barbell squat anymore but it's fine having that weight lower down makes it a lot easier for me to brace b I like the fact that by pushing or opening those arms in or out I can kind of shift the weights um kind of low relative to myself and kind of change my center grab you a little bit throughout the lift which i find helpful and finally i just i don't have any troubles with the bar hopping on

my back something i always had with the straight bar i don't how like a bar or five grand plus power just kind of keeps creeping up into your neck but it's a mother always did that for me and i have said that issue since i started in the camper squat bar so So I would definitely suggest to anyone who's never heard of one to definitely just check it out and try it if they have another gym. Like I think it's absolutely under a gym of squat. Well, I'm sold. And now I feel like I need to dust ours off at Mass Alamics gym and start using it.

Definitely underutilized. That's for sure. So you'll probably hit the first couple of times because you're not going to know how to necessarily use its advantages and you're just going to have this giant Swing You gotta kind of fight fast that Right right now that makes sense All right well I'm sold very

Underrated I guess I agree now Uh okay Overrated or underrated Swords What was that? Swords I don't know what that is Swords. What was that? Swords. I don't know what that is.

Like the swords on your wall. Oh, swords. I'm just kind of saying it a little bit funny. Swords. I'm really emphasizing the W. It's a weird word to say alone in a vacuum or not with anything else. Just swords. Yeah, I'll go with overrated. Honestly,

that was just something that I saw in a Black Friday sale from a French fitness a couple years ago. I'm like, Nate, swords you can use as exercise equipment. That's novel. I'm looking for this severely discounted Black Friday sale because honestly it's a very

niche item. They don't work as kind of weighty clubs the weighting's all in the hilt so it doesn't really do what a club or a mace does right they really have no practical purpose in the exercise room like you're not they're not a substitute for a club or a nice train which is already super niche they're just kind of fun novels to be like oh my god i mean they're a cool thing to hang on the wall. They're not swinging around from point in between sets, but mostly overrated.

I don't think they're that great or that cool, but they're cool enough that I might have them hang on my wall. Are you aware that swords are, I don't know if frequently is the right word, but it's not uncommon in strength sports for the swords to be the awards. They're sword awards.

Yeah, I've had to explain that the sword awards that I have on my wall are just things I picked up on a bike ride, so they didn't come from any sport. I think I also have a Calvary saber that I bought on Amazon when I was in college. I've been drinking too much. I'm sorry if I can't know what else to do with it. It looks kind of cool. I just realized that that wasn't an award from

a show. I wasn't awarded for military services. I'm just like, no, that's just something I bought on Amazon when I was drinking in college. That's the entirety of that story. Which is an explanation for all my swords. Yes.

Okay. All right. Last overrated, underrated topic, and the last one is usually worth all the marbles. It's the most important, so no pressure, but overrated or underrated, Ben Stiller. Oh. Oh. I feel like it's worth to the world pop culture

and the acting world and all of our childhoods it's very well known so it's really hard to say whether it's over or underrated that's the classic debate isn't it's really hard to say whether he's over or underrated. That's the classic debate, isn't it? Yeah. You have to balance its perceived value against its true value. Yes, absolutely.

Whenever people say that, we know they're really starting to understand overrated, underrated. Oh. So did you have a final answer on Ben? I'm trying to think I don't know that's the main rule

I'm going to go with underage I feel like he's a known comedy actor but he doesn't quite get the same praise as some of the A-list celebrities. Right. And he's a lot of, it's like Zoolander, that lives constantly in the back of my mind. Yeah.

I will not forget most of the scenes in Zoolander, so I'm going to go with just ever so slightly under 8. I think that he deserves to be just one tier higher. So is Zoolander your number one Ben Stiller movie, or would you rank something higher than that? Oh. I know you're asking this because I have the Dodge Golf collection. I feel like, yeah, Zoolander's probably number one. It's nothing else, but I feel like you almost don't feel like yeah Zoolander is probably

probably number one if nothing else I feel like you almost don't think of Dodgeball as being the Ben Stiller because he looks so different kind of than his normal normal appearance you're not quite as bad as like some other actors

I'll go Zoolander I think Zoolander is Ben Stiller's best movie okay do you ever feel like when you're down in the basement some other actors. I'll go Zoolander. I think Zoolander is Ben Stiller's best movie. Okay. Do you ever feel like when you're down in the basement getting after that sometimes you're kind of taking the bull by the horns? Yeah. I think that the two

states of mind, the two words to live by are snap city and grab the bull by the horns. I think that you have that in your mind. That's all you need to have success in the gym and lifting it in life really you just gotta really embrace those two mindsets of snap city and grab the bull by the horn yeah you're living proof of it so i don't know what else someone needs yeah to know the benefits and the proof of something by the grab the bull just look at me if they want to be like me they can grab the bull by the horns

good news it looks like you passed overrated underrated so that's pretty sweet and also I was going to add don't sleep on heavyweights heavyweights a classic Ben Stiller treat alright

I haven't seen it, but just, Oh, if you haven't seen heavy weights, you'll, you have to, like, I would, as soon as I know it's already late, but like as soon as we're done here, I would probably stay up later even to watch heavy weights. All right. I will do that. I will see if that can, uh, go on the, on the Ben Stiller. And like someday when you do watch it,

on your Instagram story, could you do a post saying that you watched it and say what you would rate the movie? I'll write down a note right now. To watch it and review it for Mathematics. Yes, and tag us. If you do it like a story, make sure to tag us

so we can share it. I think you're going to be kind of shocked you haven't seen this movie by the time you actually watch it. I mean, I won't call myself a super well-versed pop culture. I mean, I've watched some movies, but I haven't really done a deep dive

in the movie world. It's very possible I missed the classic jokes. You're going to enjoy it, definitely. Are you a Wisconsin guy? I am a Wisconsin guy. We're South Dakota fellas ourselves, so we're not too far apart.

Same country. General region. You consider yourself Midwest there in Wisconsin, right? Oh, yeah. I think Midwest is pretty solid in Wisconsin. I feel like when you get to the northern edge of the Midwest, we're kind of our own little subsection of the Midwest.

I feel like anyone's first kind of initial thought of Midwest is more the middle-y part where it's kind of all flat and there's really nothing there. It isn't to say there's tons of stuff in Wisconsin, but at least we have all the glacial geography that makes it so we're not flat. Well, I was going to wonder if you consider yourself more of a Great Lakes

state than a Midwest state. Yeah. If you're asking me the descriptor, yeah, probably Great Lakes state over Midwest state, although I usually lump it all into Midwest. But then again, I feel like Midwest is one of the vaguer collections of U.S. geography. It kind of covers it in the middle. Yeah, that's definitely a blanket term. How do you feel Ohio fits into the puzzle?

fits into the puzzle? There's a couple states that I think are essentially interchangeable. Ohio is in that group. I don't know, like Idaho. Really, any state that's basically just kind of square in the middle of the U.S., I

probably couldn't tell you the difference between them. I already forgot when pulling out the blink map of the U.S., I probably couldn't tell you the difference between them. I already forgot when pulling out the blank map of the United States and trying to name them all was a popular thing I was, oh God, 15 plus years ago. I could never get those middle states because they're all just squares and

they never really stood out to me. I always struggle with the really tiny ones in the northeast. Oh yeah, that's the tricky ones for me. I always struggle with the really tiny ones in the Northeast. Those ones are hard. That's the tricky ones for me. No idea there. Which ones are Rhode Island versus New Hampshire versus Florida? Oh, boy.

Yeah. I mean, I kind of know. Massachusetts. Delaware again. Other Delaware. Yeah. At least Wisconsin has a distinctive shape and it's in a very obvious area being

in northern U.S. It's right next to the lakes. It's very hard to get Wisconsin wrong. We're memorable. I think that's true. Yeah, I'd agree. We're from the Midwest, so we have a conflict of interest. A bias, yeah.

That's true. We're not a completely unbiased opinion at all, are we? All right, Mark, we really appreciate you coming on with us. This was a lot of fun. I think people are going to enjoy this. Where, I mean, is the best place if people want to look into you and find out more, check you out on Instagram at deadliest lift and check out your snap city that is definitely the best place to see what i'm all about is by the inside i'm most focused on platforms so yeah definitely check out my id page and then

specifically i really want to stress that i want more people to check out the snap city drive like i don't care necessarily if you don't enjoy all the goofy lifts, but I think there's a lot of great information in the Snap City Drive, and I'd definitely like for more people to benefit from it and put into it. Absolutely. I think that that's awesome, and we'll be excited to watch you on your odd lift journey and be most excited to see you maybe create some even further distance

between number one and number two on the all-time Jefferson deadlift leaderboard. I will probably have to take another crack at the Jefferson after I max the conventional for next time. I've been kind of bouncing back and forth between the two of them with a little bit of a hop each time. So hopefully next time I get back to Jefferson, I can be pretty close to that. Okay. Make sure to keep us posted, of course. Oh, yeah. If I pull a new Mac Jefferson, you'll be the first one I get.

Yes, perfect. Alright, thanks, Big Mark. We appreciate it. Good stuff. Thanks, Mark. Have a great time. See ya. Cool beans! Cool beans! Cool beans!

Did you give him the double cool beans over there time i'll give him a double dose double dosing deadly a deadliest dose of double cool beans you gave him didn't you yep that's right serving him up um i don't know big mark's uh audio wasn't coming through the best i think it was i don't know i don't know that was a phone connection issue is almost like uh i don't know something with with his speaker was being a little bit odd okay yeah it was it was kind of hard for me to hear on my end but i'm so that's what he sounded like it wasn't on your end that was uh i i wondered i assumed you were wondering if it was just maybe coming through on your end that way and no that's how it's coming through, unfortunately. We'll see what we can do with that. Yeah, I mean, there was very few times where I couldn't tell what he was saying,

so I think everyone will still get it. But good stuff. Big Mark, he was a good sport on overrated. That was a fun session of overrated. It was. He was pretty excited for all those. Yeah, that was good. On top of being

just freaky strong too like you can't understate his his strength is is on another level we actually probably really didn't hit on that appropriately how like yeah he's doing odd lifts but like he is insanely strong at these lifts like like i mean that's a good call out we really didn't uh if you're just listening and you haven't watched him before you may have not picked up on that from that interview of how strong big mark actually is here it's pretty wild yeah like he has you know dead lifting 600 in one video here was like 645 for 15 reps it's you don't do i mean you you can't do the things he's doing unless you're really really

strong it's not like right he picked weird lifts that he could somehow just magically lift more than the normal person like this guy is actually really really strong yeah and it's like talking about the people that could maybe jefferson deadlift more than him it's not that big of a list i don't think of you know he's giving too much there you made it sound like there was a lot of people out there in the world that at any given point could break that record, and that's not the case. I'd like to think maybe like Jamal Brown or Dan Grigsby could take a pretty good crack at it,

and then maybe some of the big strongman deadlifters. I'm not sure if some of the big strongman deadlifters are as well-suited for the Jefferson style or not, though. I think they're too big. I think they are. I think so, too. Yeah, I don't know if there's i mean is there five guys in the world that could maybe give him a run at this at any given point

that's kind of what i think you know i mean there's probably yeah one to two handfuls of them that might have a shot but you would think if jamal for example if he really wanted to pull a jefferson deadlift he could do a lot probably right and dan probably kind of but also that's going to take them some time i don't think they're just going to walk up to it and just pull 900 the very first day so that makes the next thing is you don't just say i'm just going to do it you out actually have to put a little time into getting proficient in that lift too yep there's doing it and then there's you know you know there's they're saying you can do something and then there's actually doing it right it's that is it's like the shirt he has a shirt that uh says if your back ain't bending you're just pretending you know yeah sometimes it's not what you know it's who you

know exactly that one doesn't apply here but yeah no i think it's very relevant here okay what uh what else were we going to hit on today did we have some other uh topics we want to talk about this week um we could talk about you know there's been a lot of chat a lot of chatter in the discord this week i don't even know why or how it started about crumble cookies yeah let's get any do you want my take first i never have you familiar with crumble cookies at all not until in the discord i would never heard of it before in my life. Never even slightly heard of it. I wasn't sure if I had, and then I realized I had had them one other time.

Someone at a gathering had shown up with a few of them, so I got to try a few. But after all this talk about crumble cookies, I had to go experience them myself. So I had to go pick up a box a couple days ago here. And I think the part that was shocking to you is, you know, it's like $4.50 a cookie, roughly. Yeah. But, I mean, they're good cookies. I have a hard time eating a cookie that I don't think is good, though. I enjoy cookies.

I enjoy sweets. I don't buy them because when I buy you like i just want to eat all of them because i like them a lot uh so i enjoyed them it's a treat so i guess to me the money thing isn't really a factor when it's you know it's not getting them twice a year i'm not getting them at the grocery store every time i go so it's like well whether this was one dollar or ten dollars i'm gonna eat them the same number of times, which is like maybe once a year-ish. So the price isn't a factor. So I did enjoy them.

They probably are overrated. Like, I mean, it's this big whole thing with the cookie, but they still are good. I liked them. My bigger thing is here's, analysis of it from not having ever been to one or anything like that. It's more, and it's not even, this isn't specifically about crumble cookie. This is my take on that type of business. Those operate in fads and trends. I think from what, what I experienced, like, uh, five years ago in Western trends, I think, from what I experience. Like five years ago in western northeast South Dakota,

there was, or 10 years ago, there was no frozen yogurt businesses. Five years ago. No, no, no, there was. There was TCBY in Subway. Oh, right. That's true. Okay. The original.

Right. And then all of a sudden, five, I'm making up the time frame. This is slightly off, I suppose. But then three years later, there then all of a sudden, five, I'm making up the time frame. This is slightly off, I suppose. But then three years later, there was all of a sudden three. Now there's zero again. Zero. Yes, I get what you're saying there. I do think that cookies maybe have a little more staying power than frozen yogurt would be the exception I would draw here.

I don't see the cookie as a standalone business. I think you can get away with ice cream, but I don't see how is your business cookies like that? I don't know, man. It's weird because when I was in there, I'm thinking even if these cookies are, they're not, even if they were $5 a pop for easy math it's in a very the rent in that place has to be insane it's in a very busy location so i'm sure the rent is just ridiculous and then on top of that there's like 10 people working and i'm thinking why is there 10 people working to make cookies that's too many so i don't know how it works i don't maybe

they're i guess it is a cookie. Their margins are got to be insane, but still, you got to sell a lot of freaking cookies. The other thing it reminds me of is cupcakes. I think cupcakes had a strong fad for a while, and now I don't really feel people, I don't feel like I hear people talking about those in that way, like that, like, oh, cupcakes were big on Shark Tank, and there was probably, like, a lot of, like,

shops opening up where they just make cupcakes. Yeah, and all those shows on Food Network. Yes. So if you had to pick, though, between cupcakes and cookies, what would you pick? I don't really give a shit about those. Like, I think, I like, like, To Be Fair. It's funny. To Be Fair is a Letterkenny thing.

Like, every time someone says To Be Fair, they, like, break out into, like, a little song of to be fair. So now I can't say it without thinking of that. Without breaking out into songs. Yeah, yeah. To be fair. That's what they do every time. But to be fair, I like all of that stuff. Like, there's not any of that I wouldn't eat and think it tastes good.

But I've, like, over the years kind of just conditioned myself to, like, I've, like, made myself think I don't like that stuff i would like there's not any of that i wouldn't eat and think it tastes good but i've like over the years kind of just conditioned myself to like i've like made myself think i don't like that stuff so then i don't eat it i don't know it's like a psychological thing because i'm this like i could eat uh probably 30 cookies if like you know i'm just completely not giving a shit so that was the thing is is i didn't realize because they were talking in the Discord how for crumble, a serving size is listed as a quarter of a cookie. And it's like 180 calories or something like that. So or 150 calories. Either way, the average cookie, I think it equals being if you eat a whole cookie, it's like 600 calories. And, you know, they're saying some of the guys are making comments like you don't eat a whole one.

But I could easily eat like three of these. that'd be no problem right um it would probably be the fourth one is when i would probably be like okay now i'm getting sick yeah yeah but at that point you've also consumed 2 000 calories in the course of five or ten minutes right right right it does make sense i guess it's i've i'm guess. I'm not interested. I don't care about it. I'm more interested in the business model of how long is that? In six years, will crumble cookies be as popular as it is now? Will there be as many?

Will there be more stores, or will there be a third as many stores? Okay, I'm on their website right now. Would you like to take a guess as to how many locations they have? Well, I just learned about them like this week, and apparently they're everywhere. So I'm going to say that there's, let me formulate a guess. Are they pretty nationwide at this point, like west to east? They appear to be pretty nationwide at this point.

And if you thought that like California has 50 of them and some of the other states maybe have that, but South Dakota probably has two, I'm going to say that there's 500 crumble stores. There's more than that. Under 1,000. Under 1,000. Okay. I was thinking 500 to 1,000. Under 1,000. Okay. That's what I was thinking, 500 to 1,000.

I'll say 750 crumble stores then. There are 701 crumble stores. That's a lot of cookie stores. Yeah, that is. I think that this is just my, this is not based in fact other than just my feeling about places like this. I bet they'll hit peak cookie stores and it'll go backwards and then it'll be the next freaking dessert that i just don't i don't get busy like the exception to this um the anomaly to this theory i think is coffee because coffee has like completely like this own in america coffee there's this completely separate thing that is larger than

life at this point and coffee is different because you can go in, you could, you could, I mean, you can have multiple coffees every day and be overweight. I mean, most, a good chunk of people that drink coffee have multiple coffees every day and they're not overweight. If you had multiple crumble cookies every day, you would have, you would more than likely have problems. Okay. Here's another example. Cinnabon. This reminds me of Cinnabon. Yeah, you're right. That's a much more accurate comparison. And it's the same thing there. When's the last time you've been to a Cinnabon?

Like whatever airport maybe had one? I mean, I've seen them at places. I couldn't tell you the last time I ate. Actually, I could. I could actually remember. The last time I had a Cinnabon was um like July of 2020 I was in Fargo and I was so hungry and for whatever reason it was one it was a Cinnabon in the gas station in a truck stop and I'm like yep I'm gonna do this right now and I think I got just the little bites because even then I'm like I don't need this giant ass

cinnamon roll at two in the afternoon so I went with the little bites and that was that was the last time I had one. Like it's, and I love cinnamon rolls, caramel rolls. I love all that stuff, but I just don't see the need to get it when I'm on the go very often. Right.

That's I eat a lot of food, so I can't really afford to eat a lot of shitty food like that because I'd be fat, you know, honestly, like I'd be like, and yeah, it's just easier not to start sometimes for me than it is to start well that's

my thing is why i just don't even want to i just don't even buy it to bring it into my house because then i'm just like well okay it's here i gotta eat it sometimes it's like huh let's just hurry up and eat it all so that like it's like i can't have this mental weight bearing on me all the time let's just get it done with so we can all move on to the next thing here that is how i think of it a lot of times, yes. Yeah. So I'll be curious about it. I'm sure they're delicious, and I'm sure I would like them, but that's, I just, I don't know.

It's a weird business model in my mind, but that's obviously not the way that a majority of people think, so that isn't really all that relevant. Obviously, obviously not. And slightly less fun news would be the price of eggs i'm more interested in this we've had this on the list for a while and i wanted to talk about this because i unlike cookies i am a very large and loyal consumer of eggs you put down a lot of eggs i do and uh what i've found, I am price sensitive when it comes to cookies. The more expensive cookies get, every bit that a cookie goes up in price,

I'm going to want it that much less. I'm very sensitive to the price of a cookie. I have found I am not sensitive to the price of eggs at least not to the point we've gotten yet because they are not going to go away when you say mentally you're sensitive but not when it comes to actually buying you're not sensitive to the i'm not actually stressing over it because it's not a choice well the way i look at it even it's just like it's like i'm eating those eggs no matter what yes and i would actually say, as annoying as the price of eggs are, if all of the price of things were crazy, if the thing we had to complain about was the price of eggs, I'd say, that's a great problem.

Like, my egg budget went up a couple of dollars each time. Like, have you seen what the price of, like, housing and cars and that? Because that's to the tune of thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars like eggs yeah sure okay be up for a couple bucks for a little while but yeah so i guess we buy the 18 packs usually and they're uh now like over eight bucks a 18 pack so i'm spending like you know i have six eggs every morning so that's 50 cents an egg now so i'm like i'm having three dollars worth of egg and i was trying to to, the other day in my mind, I was thinking, how expensive would eggs have to get for me to be like, maybe I'll eat less eggs. And if they went double what they're at now, so right now it's $8 for an 18 pack.

I'll just say nine. If they went to a dollar an egg, I i'd be like damn that's six dollars a breakfast and just eggs that's a lot because at that point it's more expensive than hamburger right right that that to me is where it that's what i like to compare a lot of things to especially if you're talking like a protein sources yes okay this costs this much but does it cost more than hamburger because beef is to me my preferred protein right all if i had to pick any protein it's beef every time right always and then eggs depending on how i'm feeling probably fall between number two and four on the list around chick between chicken chicken is always

like last on the list i just yeah chicken is my least favorite of the protein sources it's it probably would go beef pork chicken or sorry beef pork eggs and chicken would probably be if you're saying like big protein sources my my favorite uh how about tofu no i don't ever it's not in the top five no it's not it's not in the list it's like what's the price on that even nobody Nobody knows that. Yeah, I didn't think so. Yeah. I just assumed that I could be wrong there because I don't shop tofu, but I'm just assuming that it's not priced nicely compared to other proteins on this list.

It should be. It's soybeans, I think. Like, it's beans, right? I don't really know what tofu is exactly. I don't really know either. I think it's, I don't know. I think it's soybeans, but maybe't really know what tofu is exactly i don't really know either i think it's i don't know i think it's soybeans but i maybe i'm completely off on that boy is this right here walmart.com house of tofu 16 ounces a dollar 78 that's like if it's made out of if it what is it made out of? This says right here, ingredients, water, soybeans, calcium, sulfate.

So three ounces, a serving of three ounces has seven grams of protein. Yeah, because soybeans relative to other animal protein is way cheaper. That's $1.78. Wow, I did not realize tofu but have you ever eaten it no i have not i have not because it doesn't taste very good yeah i i'm assuming it's one of those foods that you have to super dependent on your cooking method for how that's my wife is a my wife is a really good cook and she can cook tofu in a way that I can eat it. And if you have it not next to a better piece of protein,

you'll be like, oh, this isn't too bad. Until you have a bite of. Until you even eat a bite of just charred, burned hamburger. And you're like, oh, this is bad. You're like, oh, God, this is delicious compared to that. It's like that scene from. Do you ever watch Parks and Rec? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I haven't seen them all. Where they're doing the burger cook-off and Rob Lowe's character, he goes and makes these crazy tofu burgers. I think it's a tofu burger. Or maybe it could just be like a, actually, it's probably like a bean patty or something. And he does all this work into it and makes it. And they're like, wow, this is actually really good.

And then Ron Swanson, he just goes and buys the grossest hamburger you can find from a gas station and cooks it. He's like, it's hamburger on a bun. And they're like, this is better, way better. That's the truth. That's exactly what we were saying. The most low effort hamburger is just almost always better than everything. And the other thing is hamburger just always reheats just fine. Just reheats just fine.

So it makes leftovers way more palatable. It's also just so versatile. It is. You know, you can do damn near anything with a pound of hamburger. Put any sauce on that and it's good. You start with a pound of hamburger and your meal options for the night are limitless. They are. We uh keep anything here keep the simple and mix something in with it or just eat a plate on its own while the piece of bread i can do anything here

so eggs are expensive and um you know way exceeded the the inflation rate that we've experienced and other things but i guess we all know at this point it's because of the uh bird flu thing that's going on so there's or was going on is going on i'm not sure where it's at with disrupting the supply chain issue but to put it lightly there's been supply chain issues i think it's safe to say right with everything going on yes with everything going on at times you can't get eggs at. I don't think I've really experienced that here in western northeast South Dakota. But, yeah, they are really expensive. Like, a dozen eggs at times not that long ago is like less than $2. Yeah, I remember not that long ago.

I feel like a couple years ago getting eggs for a little over $1 and thinking, this seems abnormally cheap. This doesn't feel like this is an actual business model that you can get eggs this cheap. Well, that's the other thing. That's my other theory on the whole thing is that sure, there's been the bird

flu and stuff like that, but is this more of just a long-term correction of sorts where it's like, no, no, people have not been making money in this chain for too long. And now it's like, it's not going to be quite like that anymore. Like where it's like, no, we're not going to agree to sell this at no profit anymore. Yeah, if they came out, if there was a statement on the news and Big Egg all got together and they said, we will no longer sell eggs for $2 a dozen. I'd be like, I get it.

I get it. Like, that's too cheap. Yeah. Well2 a dozen. I'd be like, I get it. I get it. Like, that's too cheap. Well, part of it's the grocers, I suppose, right? Because isn't, is eggs kind of a loss leader in the sense that you throw it at the back of the store, you market cheap and you get, you know. Probably. Same with bananas, right? It's got to be, doesn't it?

Right. Right. Or maybe even milk at times, you know, you take a loss. It's kind of expensive though. Right. Right. And the, yeah, yeah. But like they're, they're not, I don't think the grocer is maybe typically making very much profit on it. You know, like that, uh, it's something to get people in to get the other stuff that they make the higher

margins on, but maybe they're tired of that with eggs. And they said, we're not gonna take it. And they're going to charge a dollar an egg now i don't like visualizing like when i crack an egg like oh there goes 50 cents is the part that sucks yeah you start thinking of it that way um yeah yeah 50 cents an egg i still it is annoying when you look at what eggs historically were priced right i i do not have a problem buying eggs at 50 cents an egg still now i've still got a whole giant fridge full of uh eggs actually we usually have eggs stocked up

in both fridges and i if i couldn't have eggs i don't i actually thought about that today like if they got so expensive that i literally put my foot down and wasn't going to buy them anymore what would i have for breakfast every day do you think you need steak or something for breakfast or i mean if it got cheaper yeah i would actually like if if it i guess i would but that would just be a weird shift of uh mindset i guess for me that's the thing like eggs are supposed to be the cheap proteins that's why it is that's why you eat the eggs yeah it's just this cheap easy food you throw together no problem right yeah the egg thing is funny though because i they were making jokes about in the discord and i had no idea what they were talking about i didn't know if there was some

i didn't know if there was some meme going around of just talking about i just didn't get it at all and then because i'm in a new town and I'm going to different grocery stores, I feel like my price for what things are cost is just out the window because some things are, feel so much more expensive. Some things feel way cheaper. I'm kind of lost on, on where pricing is. I'm just confused. And we were grocery shopping one day and this was a couple of weeks ago and eggs for a dozen. It was I think it was like 580. I'm like, really? That's what this store charges?

Like, yeah, that's what they charge here because that's not the right price. They're wrong. Right. That's super annoying. I probably won't come here if I ever need eggs again. And then I don't even think that was an hour later. I see you add to our little to do list. You wrote price of eggs.

Yeah. There's something to this now. All of a sudden, i just don't pay attention enough yeah yeah yeah at the end of the day i don't care i'm still buying them uh yeah this this does say in a very quick search here that it looks like from from the time a chicken is hatched it takes about 18 weeks to be able to lay eggs roughly so maybe this will all be done in 18 weeks once this whole fresh batch of chickens gets out there and starts laying eggs again. We've talked about getting chickens. Actually, this last year we talked about it. We have a big backyard. Doesn't it seem like a lot of work, though?

Yeah, we talked about that being part of the appeal, though. It's something for the kids to do. If we had a chicken coop and it's like, yeah, they got to feed them every day. And like, yeah, definitely work. I don't know. Actually, like even with the price of eggs now, still probably not worth it. But it wasn't really it wasn't like a investment. Sometimes I get confused when I hear people.

I can never tell if people are doing it because they want the fresh eggs, which I can understand that. Or sometimes I think people are doing it as like a way to save money. I think that's the wrong approach to it. I can't tell if they're actually being serious or if people actually do think that way. No, my thing was it would be kind of fun to have the fresh eggs. And then also like, hey, this is fun family that you know like taking care of the chickens and you know that sort of thing right someone has to stay outside and shoot the wolves that come and try and get the chickens at night it's like a whole oregon trail thing all of a

sudden no we'll just get one of those uh sheep dogs from moody tunes it just like ralph yeah where they punch in on a time clock. It's one of these things where now you've got chickens so now you need more animals to watch the chickens and then more animals to keep the chicken watchers in place. It just creates a whole circle of animals. Then all of a sudden you have goats but

it just keeps moving on and on. We opted the primary reason we opted away from the chickens this last time was uh the price of the chicken coops we kind of i thought this is in my i knew what these pre-made chicken coops looked like and in my mind there was a certain price i thought they should cost pre-made chicken coop i'm just thinking like a small storage shed yeah basically yes you know like you know our my storage shed in my backyard you know

it's a pretty big one and you know it that wasn't cheap but like the same company from millbank yep uh hooterite company as a matter of fact if you don't know what a hooterite is you can google that have we ever talked about hooterites on the podcast before ever mentioned uh i bet that's a foreign term for a lot of people. Hutterite, Mennonite. Do we have any other? Somewhat similar. I guess people out east maybe are more familiar with Amish. Yeah.

It's kind of similar to that in a way. But the Hutterite population here is strong. You know, there's many Hutterite colonies in South and North Dakota. To go into a grocery store and hear people speaking some German variant. It's actually odd to go to a store like that and not have Hutterites in there. Yes. And in my line of work, it's all the time. I talk to them every day probably, but a lot of people probably don't know about Hutterites. But what was my point?

They build the sheds. Yes, they make the sheds and they also make the chicken coops of comparable size you know smaller than but like the shed can you actually walk through it yeah you might have to bend over in it and stuff like that but yeah good size and i had an idea in my head of what i thought these cost and they cost like five times what i thought they should cost so that's what i was like i'm assuming that number is many thousands then right yeah? Yeah. Well, I was prepared like, oh, if they cost a couple thousand bucks, you know, that could be a fun thing. And then if we can the whole thing in two years, so be it.

But I was like, oh, no, this is not a thing we're just going to casually get into. We better really know that we want to. You got to go all in. You got to be chicken people. Also, you could do the whole thing cheaper too. You wouldn't need that substantial of a chicken coop and stuff. But then I'm like, well, if we're going to do it, I it i also don't want it to you know to be a pain in the ass fell down again right chickens got out like it's a daily occurrence yeah it does make me wonder

though what did come first the chicken or the egg classic question it is real classic i always seem to think in my head i I think the egg makes sense. Something had to come out of an egg, right? But where did the egg come from, right? Something that slightly resembled a chicken. Ah, you're right, yeah. That's true. That's just my personal theory.

I have nothing to back this up with, but... Sounds like an evolution man over there. We're going to get into religion, politics. Here we go. Well, we're basically talking about the economy already. So this might as well pile it all on.

That actually, I don't have anything else to say about eggs or cookies. You're just going to leave it at that. Yep. I think that subject is closed. You know, that's probably why those cookies cost so much is, you know, eggs are needed to make the cookies. How good were the cookies, I guess?

Like, how good, were they the best, was it the best cookie you've ever had before? Well. Because I feel like the discussion, it should be maybe the best cookie you've ever had before. See, I was actually thinking about this. And what makes it really hard for me to say how many do you everyone everyone knows how to make a chocolate chip cookie right right right if they don't they can look it up but how many people would you say are actually good at making chocolate chip cookies there's definitely a wide like like all chocolate chip cookies assuming they're not

burnt are good but how often are you like this is really not very often right right no and then how how many times have you bought chocolate chip cookies before i'm not very often exactly that's why when i started thinking i'm like i have so little to compare this to i have a history was it better than like if you made them at home i think so because i'm not gonna make good ones at home like i'm not and they're big you know they're big yeah every time if i'm gonna make one or been around making them they always end up kind of small and then they're either too thick and then they're kind of dry or they i don't know they end up too thin and they're how

did it compare to chewy chips ahoy cookies i, I think they're better than that because those are still – we talked about this though. Those ones that you think are like made of curry or putty or something. I still think that they're made of like silly putty. You could press them onto a sheet of newspaper and the ink from the paper will come with it and you can transfer it on another piece of paper. That's what a Chewy Chips Ahoy Cookie is.

A Chewy Chips Ahoy Cookie is what your kid made out of his Play-Doh set. It goes back in a container when you're done with it, and you seal it up. And then you cut it back into cookie sizes again. You can do that in perpetuity. It never changes. I just feel like that product does not exist. Chewy Chips Ahoy are neither created nor destroyed.

They only change forms and always come back to being a Chewy Chips Ahoy cookie. See, they're in the red package. I don't think they're that chewy, are they? We have to get some to try them sometime. Yeah, do some research here. The original is blue. I'm looking at the picture of the package so the original is blue i'm looking at the picture of the package the original is blue those are fairly crumbly oh they're hard as a rock yeah

yeah okay i couldn't remember if i was thinking of those or what's grandma's cookies is that in my mind those are hard as a rock and the chewy ones are soft like putty there's no middle ground with do you remember do you still are these still around are they in gas station grandma's cookies you know i think so, yeah. Okay. I feel like those were in vending machines everywhere when we were kids. Those are really soft, right? I thought those were always pretty soft, yeah.

Sometimes things are artificially soft. Well, yes. They're the soft for the sake of being soft. And I'm like, are we even dealing with a cookie anymore at a certain point? What is this? We're dealing with a certain level of putty here. Right. Yeah. It's the putty level it's not what you want in a cookie well that's the other thing about cookies there's a wide variety of what people think is

the right of what a cookie really is too right yeah like some people i think like a hard crunchy cookie i think like they think it's like a biscuit well there is but that's a certain style of cookie you know i think there's a time and place for all of that but if i if i had to pick like my perfect chocolate chip cookie i'd i'd be hard pressed to say chalky and crumbly is my preferred texture yeah i think i'd pick i'd go more towards the ooey gooey side of the scale than chucky crumbly i think what what about the you know it you go to walmart you buy it in that clear plastic the frosting cookies well the frosting ones but also they sell a chocolate chip one too you know like they're all exactly the same size and i think those are pretty good i They're all exactly the same size. Yeah, and I think those are pretty good.

I don't mind those. I like those a lot. They're pretty thin. Actually. They're fairly soft. Yeah, I think that's a tasty cookie. I do think the crumble ones are better than that. Okay.

To me, those cookies are always really good. Same thing with those sugar cookies at Walmart or any grocery store. You know, they're just these tiny white little circular cookies, and then they have that, like, inch thick of frosting, bright colored frosting on the top, they're yeah super super soft i always thought those were pretty good that's not my i don't really like the frosting cookies yeah that's not like my favorite cookie though i'd pick a lot of cookies before i'd pick that but um what about keebler elv it's the fudge cookie where that's the vanilla colored they're they're like about that tall and about that wide.

And like it's a vanilla one on each side and they have like chocolate in the middle. Keebler Elf's fudge cookies. Those are good. Yeah. Is that what they are called? Yeah. I have not had those. I had to look up the picture here.

I have not had those in probably 10 plus years. I haven't either, but those were good. I'd have a hard time even telling you what those actually even taste like, to be honest. Yeah, and they got the little elf imprinted on the cookie itself. Yeah, those are pretty cool. I'm a big dunker in the milk, and I would dump those in the milk all day. No dunking. No dunking is going on when the cookie is involved with me.

What are those called? EL fudge? Yeah, it says EL fudge. Okay. Listen, I know this isn't the first time we've talked about cookies, but. Yeah, we've definitely discussed it before. You know, if I ever make it out to the Ohio Pie Co., they also have Ohio Cookie Co. in there too.

I would try theirs. I'm sure their cookies are banging. But there again, I'd be much more interested in the Ohio Cookie Co. in there too. Yeah. I would try theirs. I'm sure their cookies are banging. But there again I'd be much more interested in the pizza than I would but if I'm there, if I go there I'm going to go all out. I'm going to just put as much food down as possible. Right. You have all this pizza. I want all of it and then I also want to try all the cookies

too so it's going to be, I'm going to go nuts. And sometimes you just need that juxtaposition to finish off the meal. That's what the dessert's for, really. You just got to deliver yourself the kill shot and put yourself out of your own misery. Now I'm really sick. I couldn't have eaten one more tiny bite of pizza, but I could have three cookies. If pizza even touches my mouth, I will puke, but now it's time for cookies. That's how I'm going to do that if i ever get there yeah that's gonna go that reminds me make sure to head over to spud dash ink dash

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We don't have enough time to talk about this, but I do have a comment about... Oh, we got nothing but time. We don't have enough time to talk about this, but I do have a comment about... Oh, we got nothing but time. I do. Future notes, I want to mention something about World War I, which it reminds me of something about Swiss Link, how it's a tie-in there in World War I. Well, maybe I'll just say it now.

Do we have enough time? Yeah, we got enough time. We got all the time in the world. I watched this movie called All Quiet on the Western Front. And I think that's a pretty popular classic. Well, this movie was a newer movie. I think the book is a classic, right? How was that?

I don't know if... I assumed it was. Maybe I just know it from the book then. That's what I think I knew it as too. I don't know when the movie came out let's see is there any way of knowing that yep i'm getting to the bottom of right now oh 2022 wow yeah i assumed it was a movie that's existed forever but i just must know it from the book then huh yeah you know it from the book and i started i like war movies and i started watching this and uh i was a good 10, 15 minutes in.

And then I realized, wait a second, this is all in German. Like it is, you know, all subtitles in German. And I, at that point in time,

I was pot committed. So I wasn't, I'm not one to start a movie and not finish it. So, um, finished it was a really good movie, but just my, it's about world war one.

And it's from the german point of view basically and um world war i i just had this thought and i'm sure a lot of people have said this before but uh it's not a novel idea but world war two two gets a lot of the glamour oh it's just like totally does yes like, I associate, like, most of my, most of the things I know about, like, are all World War II, and I just know so little about World War I. And it's just, like, World War II just seemed, like, just so much different.

But that's only, you know, what, like, 30 years apart. It's not that big of a time frame apart. It seems so much different. But this movie did a really good job of showing just how horrifically gruesome world war one was and i'm just like my god that is awful that was just awful i just can't even imagine uh how terrible it was because all like trench warfare and how like the basically what the movie shows how I think they fought like however many years and years World War One went on that that battle line like the front there. It went back and forth like hundreds of meters at a time.

But like over the course of like the three or four years it never significantly changed so they were just battling back and forth over this basically dumping people in just for them to die and yeah over and over and over again and like nobody really materially gaining any ground yeah like and it's all like this get you know people like poisonous gas and all this it was just so disgusting in those right right and you know, people like poisonous gas and all this horrific stuff. Yeah, because wasn't that the thing? It was just so disgusting in those. Right, right.

And, you know, they're living in rat disease-filled trenches and water-filled. And, you know, it's just like, just awful. And I'm like, my God, those people, those guys were so like, quote unquote, hard to be able to like get oh my god that's it i'm like one day of this i'd be like oh what like i'll just walk the other way and come get me later i guess yeah and um just i just it it is crazy it is and that's awful conditions it is and it's it's hard to for me to even like talk about that stuff and not just sound like you're just parodying things you've heard right right said 10 billion times over and over again but uh it is hard to believe that that was actually how war ever went and that people somehow

put up with it and just kept doing it it's it doesn't make sense for like years in a row and then also the part like of nobody really gaining any ground for that long and just still continuing to do it. Like you're just like, what is going on here? Why is this, you know, like. Why are we doing this? Awful. So on that note, make sure to check out the new items from our new drop this week.

We've got the squats tee. You know, I was trying really hard to think of some uh some transition out of it no something i've observed in the gym this week some oh yeah but people really want a commercial gym segment every week i know it kind of struggled this week because my timing it's all about my timing. If I go more, it's actually pretty amazing because if I go more at noon, like I typically do, I'm one of the youngest people there. And if I just wait and I go like three o'clock-ish,

I'm one of the oldest guys there. So I can really see both sides of it. But I didn't see anything too crazy that I haven't already spoken on in this past week, but I've also been going a little earlier. So I've had more of the place to myself. So I don't know if I really have any profound realizations this week. Well, we have to keep that in mind, though.

I will, yes. People want the commercial gym stories. I'm always hyper aware of what's going on around me in those places. I have a Massanomics gym story. We can trade stories off. I'm always hyper aware of what's going on around me in those places. So I, I have a mass dynamics gym story, you know, we can trade stories. Tommy too has been watching the podcast.

So he saw last week. Yeah. And I think he is plotting on his takeover of your podcast. He's like, I will soon be Tommy one. Someone put a stop to this. right that's it i'm coming up there this weekend and i'm gonna stop this myself yeah i'm like caden i'm taking my locker back get your shit out of my locker throw caden stuff out i put my face big on it i'm gonna put my face

on all the lockers and the front doors so people know. So it has to be done. Should we bring this one in for the finish line? Oh, I didn't know we even got started. I thought we were about to jump into this. At the two hour and 11 minute mark. I was just starting to relax finally. Nope. I'm pretty tired relax finally. Nope.

I'm pretty tired. Okay. Yeah. I'll be very tired tomorrow too. We've been putting in a lot of massonomics work though. I mean, we have so much to talk about here. And we haven't talked about this week. We did a shitload of stuff for the Arnold.

Yes. We're in full Arnold prep. Would you say that the package is coming together nicely? Yeah. I like the looks of this bulging package. the package is coming together nicely yeah I like the looks of this bulging package it's starting to look nice I think like the shape that it's taking form of yeah it is though it's you can't anxiety is coming down after this yeah you can't you can't understate how much work it actually is though how much planning if you want it to be you can show up with no planning you're just gonna have kind of a shitty Arnold but right if you want it to be, you can show up with no planning. You're just going to have kind of a shitty Arnold, but if you want to make the most of it and make sales and make money and have

it be a good time, there's a lot of planning that goes into it. Luckily we basically have the template made the, we've kind of had the checklist made and we basically just have to copy paste it every year, but it still is. I mean, there's still a lot of discussion that needs to happen and what's best here. And when you start looking at reorders versus restocks versus going away versus new items, there's a lot of units on the line, you could say. That's true.

The unit, the big unit, Randy Johnson. Could be a bodybuilder name. Yeah, I'm surprised. There has to be someone named the unit, right? I would think so. A lot of. It would be a bodybuilder name. Yeah, I'm surprised. No, there has to be someone named the unit, right? I would think so. Got to be. I mean, it already has. The unit in the package.

The 50% of it is right there. It has the the. Yeah. After that, all right, give them a word. That's the hard part. You can put anything after that. We should make a game like it's the and then the street that you grew up on, and that's your bodybuilder.

You know, like if you ever see this thing, it's like the and then whatever. Yeah, the street you grew up on and your dog's name, and that's your porn star name. And that's your bodybuilding nickname. What would yours be? Well, the street I grew up on doesn't work good because i grew up on seventh street so the seventh doesn't sound quite as nice as yeah um trying to think if i've actually lived anywhere for the man i've lived on a lot of numbers pretty much all numbers um trying to think of J, the J.

Still doesn't. There you go. That's a start. It's got to start. Yeah, we might have to refine that one a little bit. Yeah, okay. There's something there. Yeah.

It's not good, but there's something there. Tommy, where do they find you at? You can find me at Tomahawk underscore D. And you got the nice setup behind you this week. It's evolved a little bit farther. I still think, I still think we need to do the tour here soon. It's evolved more. Well, next week I'll get a, I'll get a drink spotter. It'll be with me or on the shelf behind me.

Maybe get a little pennant flag, one of these spots too. So it's a work in progress, you know, every little, every little week. Whip work in progress, you know, every little week. Whip, work in progress. That's right. And you can follow me at Tanner underscore Baird, but just make sure to follow Mastonomics at Mastonomics. See you.