Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 374: Ryan Lapadat of King of the Lifts

Episode Date: June 5, 2023

Big Ryan Lapadat is the host of King of the Lifts Podcast, KOTL social media, and is the voice of IPF powerlifting. He joins us for this one to talk about the transitions over the last decade in the sport of powerlifting, and the media around it. We also talk about the art of interviewing someone, 6 packs, and the future of the IPF. Juggernaut AI: juggernautai.app and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% The Strength Co: https://store.thestrength.co/ BearFoot Shoes: https://bearfoot.store/ and use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% Swiss Link: https://www.swisslink.com and use code MASS to save 15% Spud Inc: https://www.spud-inc-straps.com/ Texas Power Bars: https://www.texaspowerbars.com/

You know, thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! Massanomics! side everything massonomics welcome back everyone for episode three seven four of the massonomics podcast the lifting podcast about nothing recorded here in south dakota in several corners of the state uh my name is tanner and my name is tommy just going corners of the state leaving a little more ambiguous this time portions of the state we don't want to give away

where we live yeah people stalking us i get this feeling that in about a month and a half from now all these people are going to like try to come to my house. I know. It's a very uneasy feeling, isn't it? Yeah. It's unnerving. They're like, what are they going to do at my house? Maybe on, I think on Friday night before the meet, we do have to do something. We have to organize something. Maybe there's been these running jokes about everyone camping out in my backyard.

Maybe in my backyard on the Friday evening, we will have to do something there. I think that's a pretty good idea. We're getting some new used patio furniture, so we better get some people over here and break it in. That's right. Bring about 80 people over to sit in the two chairs. Preferably a lot of big people, too, really put it through its paces. No SHWs in the new used patio chairs.

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They just released, came out with their 29 millimeter power bar. Oh, I didn't see that. They've got it in bare steel. I just got the email just, uh, an hour ago. Breaking news. Yeah. They've got, got it in bare steel finish, or I think they're black zinc. It's got aggressive knurling, uh, more loadable sleeve length on the Texas power bar. I think the bare steel version's only like $315. So it's still a very affordable price oh um i'm not gonna lie i might have to get one yep yep i mean you can't have one of our best sponsors uh releasing a premier product like

this and not know what it's all about yeah uh big keith in the discord he says buy one so he can try it when he's here in july i just might i don't tempt you like i feel like we need a 13th power bar at the gym just in case you know you've you've blown through the quota already that you had for the year of three three barbells which is it's hard to even say that with a straight face now um actually it's gonna be hard to even say that number next year with a straight face i know and i'll still i even think more i'm like i don't know what else we get. And then we'll have like 12 new barbells. Okay. All right.

We now have five barbells for every member. Sometimes I just can't help myself over here. No, no, you cannot. I do have a bit of follow-up from last week. Are you ready for this, Tanner? Yes. This is what I came for this week. I don't know if you heard that, but I did forget to serve up David Thomas Tau,

his crispy cool beans after that podcast. We were so hyped last week. They might be a little stale. He's getting them a week. They've been sitting out for a week. Forgot to deliver them, but you got them nonetheless. The important thing is he's getting them, right? Yes. So apologies to David to what was otherwise a a knockout show but i did

forget my end of the bargain with the cool beans yeah um does seem like the podcast has just been rolling great we've had so many good interviews lately we're having a lot of fun we're doing these over the uh zoom video which uh has been working out yeah and that's what we said is it does it just feel exciting for us because we have guests on video now and it's really fun to see someone or are we actually doing really awesome i don't know someone tell us are we doing good do we suck i don't know it does feel like they've been good i mean i feel like i've been having a lot of fun over here so um i don't know something's working i don't care if anyone else likes that i'm liking it yeah uh speaking of things i mean actually i do care i care yeah i do care too it's just it's just cool to pretend like you don't care i can't stand the criticism

if it's bad actually as a matter of fact um speaking of things that are working though tanner uh we've been telling some people that they should sign up for the supporting member level because we have a little something going out this month to all of our supporting members and people are listening they're signing up they're flocking in in droves this week because they know they know we got the goods and we supply the goods so if you are listening to this as of right now by the time this episode comes out, it is early June. You still have time. You can get signed up for our Massonomics special gift that we are sending to all supporting members.

And you can do that by going to massonomics.com slash join. Rates start as low as $3 per month. You get to be a part of this exceptional Discord crew. You get to listen to the podcast live early on wednesday nights and a couple times a year you get a free gift and this is one of those couple times a year where the free gift is being made as we speak yeah we've done some fun free gifts in the past we did you know the last one i think was last one the crew uh crew member patch actually uh before that we had the uh membership card that went out and this one we got i'm pretty excited for everyone to open this is always kind

of a big secret of what it's going to be and i think this one is really going to get a lot of smiles a lot of nose breaths um nobody knows what's coming i don't i think nobody knows what's coming. I think nobody knows what's coming here besides you and I working on it literally as we speak today, you know, fine tuning some things, some stuff, deliveries getting made here to the fulfillment center. I got to pick some things up later this week. Can't say from where, because it would give away part of the surprise but uh this is gonna be a really fun one i think it's gonna be a lot of fun i'm excited for it you know it's like uh i shouldn't be so excited for us to you know give away a bunch of free stuff like that it's not in mass dynamics nature but it is just it's worth the lols honestly like it's just it's worth all the smiles and all

those all those beautiful supporting members faces absolutely so if that sounds interesting to you make sure you go sign up you will we're not going to send this out until a little later in june probably mid-june at the very earliest but it's probably going to be closer to the end of june so you got time even if you're a week late listening to this two weeks late you, you probably still have time. So just make sure you get in there, get signed up, and you can be part of the fun. Yes, do get signed up right away and you'll get in on this giveaway. So you'll get a giveaway right at the beginning of your membership, which is the perfect time to get signed up. And speaking of things showing up and coming in, we had our comp drop that had just gone out where it was the comp T in red or black, you know, that works perfect on your singlet

because it's got the Massanomics logo and then the lift heart on one sleeve, the live easy on the other that was in red or black, and then the Massanomics deadlift socks, which are our first deadlift socks we've ever had. And then the headband, which came out perfect. I've seen a few people wearing it this week. Big Matt from the Discord, I saw him wearing his. Big Bryce, Tommy's got one right there. Sweet headband.

So that was our comp drop. One important item was missing from that. It showed up now, came all the way from where it came from. It came to my doorstep. It's here in the Fulfillment Center. It's the Mass now, came all the way from where it came from. It came to my doorstep. It's here in the fulfillment center. It's the mass dynamic singlet. We're working on getting some images of that now and fine tuning, you know, our best size recommendations on this thing.

And the week that this podcast comes out, we should be releasing that singlet then too. So should be, you know, within a week or less that we've got that thing actually available for sale on our website. It is on the website right now where you can go sign up for back in stock notifications. If you really want one of these, I would suggest doing that so that you can know about it as soon as possible once it's for sale. Cause we didn't buy a ton of singlets cause we don't know what this singlet thing is going to be like for us. It's, you know, we've never had one. It's a pretty specialty item. So the inventory is not huge. So if you do want one of these,

do not sleep on the singlet. Yeah. Mine shows up tomorrow. I'm very, very excited to see this thing. You told me they look good. So I'm taking your word for it. That's got me even more excited.

Yeah. They pop. You can, if you go on the website, you can see a mock-up of it, but we'll have some images, you know, with actually being on and stuff so it should should help but yeah they're they're super cool uh big keith wants to know if it's going to make his dong look big or small we did make sure to add a lot of extension we did some airbrushing around the dong region

i can tell you uh you're not going to have to stuff your singlet in this thing like it's got a you know it's like how women's pants do the thing on the butt the butt thing we're like scrunchies in yeah we built in scrunchies like around the dong so that your eyes almost can't help but go like i don't want to look at the area but i can't. Do I see two individual balls outlined on your singlet? What's going on there? This singlet accentuates the balls like no singlet has ever done before. Each testicle is shown in its full glory. Just seeing a penis outline is not enough anymore.

The testicles need to be almost completely visible. You will be the star of the show here. Yeah, yes. That's good. That's good. That's good. We'll have to go make sure we go update that product description. Yes.

Yes. Let's see. What else have we got on the list here? Do you have a can over there? Or do you have a bottle? I have something more special than a can.

I figured you might. And I figured you also had a hand in how this went. It was funny. What gave it away? I put the pieces together really quick on this because the family had just gone down to bed. My wife was putting our son to bed. It was quiet in the house for the first time in what felt like weeks.

I don't know. I had lost track of time. And I'm sitting there. I'm just getting ready to watch the NBA Finals Game 7. I believe that was the day this was. Eastern Conference Finals. Yes. Oh, sorry.

Yeah. Sorry. Eastern Conference Finals. Correct. I'm sitting there. And at the townhouse that I'm at currently, there's a large window. And I see movement coming from it. And normally I'd probably be alarmed because someone's running to my window,

but immediately I spot the Lyft neon shirt on, and I think, ah, I think I know what's going on here. It's an inside job. And I see a guy bend over at the door, putting something on the ground, and take off running, and I see him go running towards a truck on the street which i felt like i recognized and immediately i was putting the pieces together i waited a minute or two for them to have their getaway get get away clean and then i went out looked and waiting for me was this bottle right here and what is this bottle this bottle is dirt soda shoveled and bottled

in the u.s of a yeah and i had this little note for tommy you can't move away from this have fun bw you can't move away from this i like that so that would have been my old neighbor just down the street that had left beverages in the past. Made a left a beverage all the way down in eastern southeast South Dakota this time. Also supporting member too, right? I believe so, yes. Is he staying anonymous on that? I don't know.

It's Brody. Yeah, Big Brody. Big Brody. Yeah. We'll let the w just like should we crack into this yeah i'm very curious um there's no alcohol in this right this is just uh because didn't the last time you supposed to taste like dirt did they give us the wing beverage the last time oh that's what it was? Oh, that's what it was, right? Yeah. Oh, this isn't a twist-off, is it? No, I don't think so.

Oh, I didn't come prepared for that. Okay, this does include 42... Oh, wait. I came prepared for that. Yeah, there you go. This does include 42 grams of added sugar, so there's no lack of sugar in this thing. Wow, that smell. I never have a bottle opener when I need one. I had one right at my fingertips when I needed one. That's pretty right at my fingertips when I needed one. That's pretty convenient. Smell that. It kind of smells like dirt, doesn't it?

Yeah. What are the odds? All right. Should we do this? I don't care for it. It's not good. It kind of tastes like dirt with a lot of sweet sugar in it. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It kind of tastes dirty. Like if you drink potty soil, it tastes dusty. Actually, it does taste dusty. It'd be like, like dusty sugar. What's the company that actually makes these things? The actual ingredient ingredient here is it

rocket fizz there you go rocket fizz.com man that it's not um that's unpleasant oh god that's actually even worse on the second one wow i mean it's not like drinking a bottle of piss like in the sense i could slug this whole thing if i had you know i know boy you know, I don't, I mean, I don't want to, I won't be finishing this. No. God, that's not very good. Yeah.

I'm actually trying to think about prefer this or what was it? Proto alcohol protocol. There you go. Protocol. I think I'd rather drink this. At least I'm going to kind of get a buzz with protocol. That's true. Okay. I got you go. Protocol. I think I'd rather drink this than that. At least I'm going to kind of get a buzz with protocol. That's true. Okay, I got to go.

By your third one, you're not going to care what it tastes like. Okay, I'm going back for taste number three. I'll try one more here, too. Oh, God, that is bad. Wow, I think it gets worse every drink. Yeah, it's not good, is it? It's almost like it's dusty root beer sugar or something. If you gave that to me, I would think that you had just given me the world's oldest soda.

Like someone found it in a barn, chilled it, and then gave it back to you. That's really bad. I mean, I do think they're kind of hitting on the dirt thing a little bit. It's pretty good. If you just like sugary stuff, maybe you'll find a way to like that but uh just pure sweetness doesn't do it for me either so how many jd power and associates i think i'd give that well what did we can i give that zero is that allowed i think zero is unprecedented but it's not do is do is that the scales the scales zero yeah is the worst zero or one that's what i don't know do you just get it just for showing up do you get a jd and associates

award that's what i wonder if you just like nobody doesn't get at least one well but in that case it gets one i guess i would also give it a one yeah well i didn't come prepared because i was afraid that that might happen so i brought a backup plan with me here. Oh, smart. And I got a little Modelo. It's Modelo time. I'm worried, though. I did say that Protocol was worse, but Big David keeps the official ratings records.

And he said we gave it a 1 and a 1.5. Oh. Who gave it the 1 and who gave it the 1.5? Because I gave that a 1.5. I think I probably gave Protocol a 1.5 because i i gave that a 1.5 i think i probably gave protocol a 1.5 maybe okay i don't know if i gave it a one i could talk oh no no it was me i guess i'm gonna give this a 1.5 then just to equal the protocol although in hindsight i think the protocol is really a one too but i don't know if we can amend the records of it's not piss this this one it's

not pissed but damn it's dusty that's for sure oh this i thought that protocol was offensive though it was bad uh it just had the only saving grace is that there was alcohol in it so you could say at least you're getting yeah at least you're getting drunk but uh this medello is good i'll tell you that are you kind of on a medello kick then very much so is it your favorite beer right now um yeah probably i don't know where's that brewed at um it is well where it's actually brewed i don't know if it's if it's one of those things i just feel like yeah um either uh no it does say brewed in mexico actually well okay i thought for sure was gonna say somehow it's owned by anheuser-busch or miller coolers you know it's like everything is um i um oh i don't know if this is completely unrelated note,

but it's just something I was thinking about. I've been doing a little early morning runs. Whoa. Not really for myself. What? I've been going with Jack, and I have been going on more. He does cross country now. So we've been going on like 6, 8.

We hit the ground by 6 a.m. We do a little bit of a warm-up, and then we're hitting the ground. And it's just I only have mile runs in me. I have no reason to ever run more than a mile. I'm sure I've talked about this before, but I don't mind running a mile. And if anything, I just want to bring that time down. I don't need to go farther than that. I can just do one mile faster if I want to.

You don't have a competitive 5K number you're chasing? No, actually, and I think running that much more than that at this point in time, like with maybe the little bit of mileage that I have on me. The wear and tear. Yeah, it's just like I don't need the wear and tear of running because I could go out and run three miles in the morning at a slower

pace than what i'm running but also if you're going to do that it would be in your best interest to drop like 30 pounds for sure like you know and that's another thing even at like i'm pretty light right now for myself what compared to the last 10 years i'm like 250 to 255 but even then like that's not a running weight like you know for most people like it's it'd be like saying oh yeah i'm six foot i weigh uh 160 and i'm gonna try and get really strong but i'm actually gonna stay at this weight it's like well no no no like the body type does have some implications in in the possibilities here yes yes yes um so i've we didn't do we got not every morning either kind

of on an every other morning thing right now. So tomorrow morning we actually have one scheduled. I try to do it on my days not lifting. Just what I like about that is I just feel slightly less like a piece of shit because there is something about my days of no lifting and stuff that I do have a tendency to feel greasier and more like a piece of shit. And the running just makes me feel less greasy. I did something, yeah. Yeah, yeah yeah yes and

running a mile doesn't take very long no it really doesn't you know it does not take very long and running outside and with another person because i've been running had been running on the treadmill occasionally uh this winter in my garage and uh you know i got one of the uh true form runners at home and outside and with another person is much more pleasant oh it feels it's it's it's noticeably easier to run the same times that i you know it's just like it's just so much more pleasant i don't know um i kind of forgot i haven't ran outside very much for a while so it is just way more pleasant well you know you got to take advantage of those nice summer days we only have so many of them you know yeah he's uh big keith asked who's faster jack or myself and um we haven't tested in the form of a race but the first time we ran out and

ran this mile and we we live on the bike path you know so we have we go to the same landmarks we know how far it is but uh the first one i was like in the first 10 steps i was like holy shit are you sprinting like slow down what are we doing like i'm not gonna be able to do this if that's how fast you can run uh but in that mile run he did stay like uh 10 yards ahead of me the whole time and would not let me catch him even my competitive thing in me at the end i'm like i'm gonna pass him and he's just like he would just uh just be able to manage to not let me catch him even my competitive thing in me at the end i'm like i'm gonna pass him and he's just like he would just uh just be able to manage to not let me pass him even at the end but then on the early mornings he can't handle the early morning quite as well he dogs it a little bit more and then i could uh like yesterday morning i could you know we run it together but i could

have outpaced him in that one but actually fairly comparable but i think of it if push really came to shove i would beat him yeah just because i just won't allow myself to be right right like you might be like in a really bad place for like the next week oh yeah yeah but i just wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't uh lose wouldn't let myself lose but boy i don't know in like one or two years from now that's going to be tougher yeah although in basketball it is going to take a while we talk about it all the time how long it's going to take for him to be able to beat me in one-on-one and it is not yet him being like 5-1 5-2 and me being 6-2 6-3 yeah it's just so easy to play defensive like i can stuff them on literally every play still you know all right yeah

you got to be the world's best ball handler and be able to shoot from anywhere that takes time so yes and he is a better ball handler than me he's a better ball handler than i ever already been already but he should there's just being a foot taller than someone like eugene and you know outweighing him by 100 and God knows how much. It really equalizes things in a hurry. You'd have to be so good at five foot to be able to be decent because it's just such a disadvantage. Yeah. So, yeah, I think I'll hold off on, I mean, basketball could be four years until he could, you know, he's going to have to get taller than me

in which he probably will. And at that point I will be screwed though when i'm like oh okay you're actually taller than i am okay when you're taller than me and you can dunk from multiple places then then you're actually kind of better at the skills until then it's mine well i have i have not been running but one thing that I have done a lot more starting the month of May is getting my steps in do you pay attention to that like at all do you look at well no I don't wear I don't have any oh no no I don't know actually every once in a while my wife will ask me and have me pull it up and I never even remember how to be able to do I that's kind of my gauge for how lazy I've been because when you work from home, I mean, I go to the gym. You can really let it slip. Yeah, I go to the gym. Yes,

I go to the gym. But besides that, I mean, I could keep my steps under almost a thousand every day if I wanted. I mean, that's as sedentary as a lifestyle as you're going to have. So that is my reminder like to get out and walk. And with how brutal our winter was, there was several weeks where it just was not safe to even leave the house with how rocky and icy and slippery the roads were while on top of being like 15, negative 15. I usually will brave the cold. Like it's gotta be really, really cold and windy for me to not go. But there was times this winter where I just, I couldn't do it. It was so, it was so hard to walk around outside. So I've been really trying to get back at it now this, uh, this last month. And for the month of May, my steps were averaging closer to 8,000 a day, which for me is for me is really good. I

think they say, well, it seems like the magic number that people say is 10,000, you know, but when you don't, when you don't go out, when you're not moving on your feet for a living, 10,000 steps is a lot of time walking around. That's the problem. It's the time. It is. It's the time to do it. But if I can get where I usually get there is, okay, whatever, getting ready in the morning, getting the kids ready, all that.

You get a few steps in, not too many. But then it's that lunch, taking the dog for about a 15 minute walk at lunch because I've usually gone to the gym and I'm not counting gym steps. I'd probably get a lot at the gym because there's a basketball court and between sets, I usually do laps on the basketball court, but I don't have my phone on me. So I don't get those. So I'm leaving a lot out there. I wondered about the not having the phone because I don't have that. Yeah. So I'm definitely leaving those ones out. But the big one where i get it at night is once everyone goes to bed go out you put the podcast in you do the long walk and that one about 35 ish minutes and even then i don't know how many steps do you get out of that a thousand or

three thousand ish oh yeah you get a few you get several thousand it depends on what route i take for sure but okay i mean you get several thousand but it does just show like getting 10,000 steps and does take a lot of time throughout the day. But I do notice if I'm at a day where I've gotten closer to 10,000 steps versus a day where I'm at like 3,000 steps, the quality of sleep is so much better too, just because you've just done so much more activity for the day. Yeah. Yeah. I think I've hovered more when i did have looked at that before i think my average is more like four or five thousand you know honestly like and i don't have my phone on me all the time but still it's probably somewhat of an accurate measure yeah so i'm not getting that i know there's when i looked at it there's peaks you know so you can tell like it's kind of

funny on that day oh it is funny to look at you know i think one of our biggest my biggest days of the entire year was that first day we went to the arnold when you're loading and you're just going all the way across back and forth and the amount of walking you know we spent the first half of the day in the car and i still think by the time that day was over we're at like 15 or 16 000 steps which is a lot you know at the end of the day any day at the arnold you just your legs are just beat you know they hurt big time. Big time. What did Big Alex say? You know, since this is a topic here, we've ramped up our YouTube content. Last week we did our top 10 strength training podcasts.

Make sure to check that out if you haven't yet. That's a fun one. You know, it's kind of reviving an article, a blog post that we've done many years in the past. We brought that to a YouTube video, so don't miss that one if you haven't. And then this one that comes out tomorrow as we're recording is what is the title of that? I forget what I Oh, God. I'll tell you in two seconds here. I think Strength Progress

is Not Linear or something like that is kind of the title but uh it's mostly is it'll be i'm interested to see what people think of that video because it's very different than what we've done on most of our past videos and it's not really all that silly and funny and it is just kind of a uh me telling a story it's so autobiographical isn't it yeah yeah so check that out when it comes out it's already out by the time you're listening to this so check it out leave us a comment let us know what you think and make sure you're subscribing on youtube i found it i found it very educational tanner i was there for most of the things and you had a timeline assigned to

everything and then you also had footage to support most of the things i thought damn have you actually been working on this video for is this video actually 10 years in the making no I recorded it and edited it quickly in order to make sure we had a video to get out this week as a matter of fact but I do think it's fun so make sure to check

that out but then big Alex supporting member in the discord here he said talking back to what we were just talking about a few minutes ago he said uh tanner takes the new army fitness test what could be a fun youtube video both of us took the new i think that'd be a really fun test yeah some of the parts would be less fun than others but i do and i've always been curious about this new army fitness test i talk about it with sergeant anderson at the gym all the time and i would have liked this test so much better than what the old one was.

Yeah, the old one, the push-up sit-ups, two-mile run. Some of these events are just straight-up fun. Like for people that have done a little bit of strongman, like the medicine ball toss overhead, I'm like, that's not tiring. And that's like an easy ace. Deadlift is like you got to do like 335 for a triple. I'm like, I don't even need to warm up for that like that's like just like an easy hundred yeah um and we could do that that could

be a fun fun youtube video for both of us to do i think we probably need to do that i'm just i'm okay i'm looking it up right now for people because there's definitely people that are listening to like well what is it so three repetitions maximum deadlift is it trap bar deadlift though it is a trap bar deadlift okay and what's a perfect score is it 315 i think it's like 345 and it's some at least the old one it depend on your age bracket of what the perfect score is but there's six events and a perfect score on each would be 100 your max possible score on the total test would be 600 but i it should depend on age or it always used to yep so i feel pretty good about the maximum deadlift i think we both i mean but it's not the number isn't like 400 and some pounds right no it's like 335 okay so we both

so we both ace that one yeah the standing power throw you throw that is the medicine medicine ball backwards overhead as far as possible how far do you need to throw it i think it's a distance that we would both ace it i'm okay without i i think i don't know maybe i'm wrong i mean you probably maybe i'll get humbled by that yeah you probably would if if not if we both don't i hope i'd be pretty close yeah next one says hand release push-up arm extension what is that yeah so it's a push-up but at the bottom of it, you know, you'd normally be like this in the bottom of the position. You have to take your hands off the ground and put them out to your side and just be on your chest and then push back up one. Okay. As many as possible in two minutes. Yeah. That could get very tight. What do you,

what do you think the number is there? I don't know what the, uh, what the number is to ace that, but, uh, I bet we could both do pretty decent on what the number is to ace that but uh i bet we could both do pretty decent on that whether we ace it or not i bet we we wouldn't do poorly on that event from what i the sprint the next one's the sprint drag carry do 550 meter shuttles sprint drag lateral carry sprint as fast as possible using two 40 pound kettlebells kettlebells and a 90 pound sled 550 meter run that run, that's a lot of running. It is, and we would be tired, but I also think someone that has strength really plays to your favor in that one.

I'm going to be tired, but I think the strength of where it's just, where relatively speaking, those weights are not all that significant. I think that really helps out. I think we would do well on that event also okay then coming into the final two events we have the plank which i'm very curious how they actually score a plank because there's i don't really know for sure either you don't have to do planks very long to figure out like oh if you just put your butt up a little bit do this all right you've taken so much of the hard part out of it

yes um so that one i'm odds are we could probably do pretty decent at that oh god yeah i mean yeah the person they're showing in the video looks like they have their butt up in the air uh was it i thought i remember saying like i feel like it was one of the strongman guys or something they're like you're doing a plank wrong if you can actually do it for longer than 30 seconds oh yeah you can if you want to make a plank really hard and you can make it really hard oh yeah yeah right um okay the last one is a two mile run i that would be the hardest one that would be the hardest one yeah ace that but i'm not gonna fail

it like the yeah the fail time that you get i think you can do like up to like 20 some minutes which is like god really 10 plus minute mile pace you know yeah to be able to pass yeah you can almost but i think you have to get at least a 60 to pass. But in theory, if you ace the first five and got a 60 on the last one, you'd have a 560, which would be an exceptional score. Or a very good score, I think. Yeah, that'd be a fun one to do sometime. We might have to make a video of that.

And Ryan can administer the test to us. Yes, yes, yes. Ryan administers it to us. Someone will record us. And then we'll get our thoughts after each event we'll get our scoring live on screen that'd be a good video i think we'll do that we'll figure out maybe we'll even uh maybe we'll even get a like one or two other guys from the gym to do it just to get a yes that would be fun we can all do it together it'll be us us and like two challengers or something. Yeah.

We could probably get your brother Ryan to get in on it. And then if we could get maybe like Larry, now that would be fun. Larry and Caden could do it too. That would be fun. Okay. Something to put on the list there. Yeah. Supporting our supporting members.

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Code MASSANOMICS will save you 10%. Thank you, Barefoot. All right, should we let our guest in? Let's do it. Okay. Here we go. So that helps if I allow him to... Join. Not be muted. so that helps if I allow him to, uh,

join, uh, not, not be muted. Uh, crap. I'll make him wait. Yeah. That's what I'm doing right now.

Let's see. Um, Let's see. And start video. Okay. Making progress over there. I gave him permissions now. It's this whole switching the permission from the crew to the guest. Yeah. There we go.

There we are. I'm here. Big Ryan, is that you? It's me, man. There we are. I'm here. Big Ryan, is that you? It's me, man. It's me. I'm here. I made it. All right.

We're excited to get you on. I'm Tanner. I'm Tommy Ryan. What's up? I know. I know you guys are Tanner and Tommy. We never know. Some people have never listened or seen anything before, so we don't like to assume that anyone

knows our stupid faces, so uh put it out there we're excited we're excited to have you on for sure and is it uh i guess i i think i know this but it's uh big ryan of king of the lifts and is it lapidat is that how you pronounce it or how do you how do you say it that's it that's it it's it's it's romanian and um i'm not roman like i i don't speak Romanian. So that's as good as I know. I might have it wrong myself, man. Yeah. But that's what you go with at least. So we'll go with the same.

We are very excited to get you on. We've, this one's been a long time coming, I would say. And we always like it when we can get people on that have been around the block on podcasting themselves because, you know, it's a fun kind of conversation that we get to have. And we just get to ask you some questions that, you know, we don't, not every guest knows what it's like to kind of do this week in and week out for a long time. And we get to get some cool insights for ourselves too. I mean, we started, I think the exact same year 2016 yeah yeah we but we've seen

um i mean obviously we're we're around like i was powerlifting 2008 but we've seen like the progression of podcasts and the plethora of podcasts like live streams how much they've changed and like everything that's going on since then it's 2016 is like a different era man oh anyways i feel like we're starting a podcast right now i'm starting to get in the flow already i gotta you gotta be careful i'm a talker that's good and what you're saying is so true like in 26 even even just doing what we're doing right now with this zoom and like the way that this audio and video works in 2016, there's a whole different. Oh, that would have been like a nightmare to even attempt this in 2016. But it was a shit show when I started, like my thing,

this was a shit show in 2016, babe. Well, I didn't know what the hell we were doing. We're just like, we just full of piss and vinegar and gum. And like, let's get it started and we'll figure it out.

Um, but you know, all, all you just learn as you go, babe. When I look back now, it's like, let's get it started and we'll figure it out. But, you know, you just learn as you go. But when I look back now, it's like, oh, my God. That's what makes it fun, though, to see how bad it was. I mean, if you looked back on it and you didn't think, wow, that kind of sucked then, that would mean you didn't really do anything better between now and then, too, you know?

Exactly. Yeah, that's a good point. That's true. Yeah. Well, and the other thing we'd like to talk about is in 2016, if you told someone you were on a podcast or you're making a podcast, there's a good chance, like half the people you told that to might not even know what a podcast is. Like they might not even know what you're talking about.

And nowadays a podcast is, I mean, it's almost weirder to hear someone not listen to podcast you know in 2023 100 it's it boggles my mind i got a buddy who the other day i heard i was talking about podcast i'm like which ones you listen to man he's like what i can't remember if i've ever listened to a podcast and i'm like who the fuck are you that you don't listen you've never listened to a podcast what are you talking about it blew my mind man everybody listens to podcasts it was the wildest man those people are out there but yeah everybody listens to podcasts in about half of them have their own podcast or tried at some point in most podcasts just never make people don't stick with it long enough that's like the number

one thing that you see is like it just it it it sounds like a good idea you know everyone's doing it everyone's done it and you want to try it and then you get to doing and you're like it's just like everything you're like man this is actually a lot of work like it you know it seems fun but it is a lot of work to do it consistently and keep putting it out 100 and it is the consistency and if you don't build quick enough like god bless i think we came at the wrong right time yeah like all of us because like we're saying we came not everyone had a podcast but so we could like stick out if you're doing a powerlifting podcast, how many people got a powerlifting podcast, right? You know, there wasn't a lot of us. So good. We got a bit of a following. You stick with it. It's just going to, you've already got your leg ahead,

but some people are trying to enter the market now, even if they stick with it. I don't know how much, how much of a, I don't know how tough it is. You could build it, but it's got to be difficult because you're entering at the same time as like 300 other people all holding hands, jumping in there at the same time. Right. Yeah. It's the same thing with like, if you're trying to start a YouTube channel from scratch, or if you're trying to build an, make an Instagram page with the idea of like, Oh, I want to build this big. If you don't have some crazy achievements or some name behind you, like some hype already, it's really hard to do anything from scratch. Now, dude, I'm, I was talking to somebody and it was like every, and that's like two years ago. And they're like,

I feel like every week I see a new repost King of lists type page, trying to, trying to, it's like, it's difficult to catch up now though it's real tough it was it's easier when you get ahead and then um you get the branding ahead and it's like okay i'm trying to make it on king of the lifts but you know it's tough man and so it's more now than just um you know having consistency in working through it now it's like you got a battle past already people who are already established and try to pick your own lane you got to do something entirely it's tough just like anything i know you fellows for talking to bryce about like tiktok well there you go that would be a new market that

some people could be like look at some of these other cats like you guys me i'm on tiktok but i'm barely posting it ain't really my thing that. That's a new lane for people. If it's something they want to do, that's a whole nother thing. And it's hard. You can only spread yourself so thin too, depending on the number of people you got working on it. It's tough to,

because like Instagram, for example, it requires, I suppose you could just get on, make a post, never look at it again, get on, make a post, never look at it again. But I think most of the time to do well, it requires a little engagement, a little interaction. And like, that's part of what helps build it. And how many platforms can you be on doing that simultaneously? Like actually devote it, you know, it's hard to, to really devote yourself to that many things at one point in time too.

100%. to to really devote yourself to that many things at one point in time too 100 that's what that's what um i've told myself like for sure the the podcast is like number one for me i love a good conversation so that's number one for me for sure um and i love like commentating and like flying around the world and do a commentating like it's the wildest man that was a shit it's crazy to be all these projects commentating like the world championships every year like the world championships was the same year i started king of lifts and um and it's the ipf worlds and i you know king of lifts like reposting i know reposting now is like fairly everyone does it at the time that was relatively novel and are we recording right now by the way oh yes we're recording now yeah yeah yeah it's like dog

it's if this podcast better have started because we're sort of getting into the story we jump right into it we don't wait for anything you're good good good good um oh good thing i didn't see nothing controversial people like that by the way let me tell you about this dm i got no but uh well good you know what i'm glad to some people know i talk the same on and off the podcast yeah that's true yeah but um but uh i was starting king of lifts 2016 the same time i started commentary people didn't know it was the same dude because i kept you know at the time like now everyone knows and you take it for granted right like whatever but at the time i wasn't sure how the ipf would feel because i'm reposting people in the untested i'm reposting people from different feds i'm you know i didn't know how it's going to

go down and i had no equity built up amongst anybody with the IPF or anybody, period, really, in powerlifting community. I wasn't like, so when I came on, I kept it just all low key. And KingLifts was a repost page. And then I started doing commentary for the first time that year. And then we started, then I'm like, I'm going to do the podcast. Because I wanted to so bad but i'm like once this drops people are gonna be like oh shit that's the guy that's the dude from it's the commentator from the world championships right right and um let's and i'm just like let's

see what happens and everything was all right everything worked out everything was fine nobody said nothing and it was it was all good so i'm like okay good all right we can breathe we could have a breather because as far as i knew who knows who knew how it was gonna all work out right yeah i can see that he has like the admin reveal of uh yep this is me i'm the guy running that account so where did the name come from king of the lifts like how did you come up with that uh what was the origin of that um i think it was i was doing a page first they did page uh a bench page a squat page and a deadlift page and when i first started deadlifting um i remember the dudes that were mentoring me like i mean it's the king of this man you got to do your blah blah blah i'm a king of this yeah put a pin in that king of this that sounds pretty dope so then initially king of this was just a deadlift page and there's three different pages

and this is back in the day man and um then i was like i want to scrap that put all three amalgamated under one and it's just king of the lifts page and um i wasn't necessarily saying like i'm the king of the lifts or whatever the shit that's not how it was it was just the way it was like the king of the lifts page was by far the biggest of the three so then okay we'll rock with that and then um but it was but it was no longer a deadlift page and so as time went by i'm flying all over the world doing like the commentary doing the podcast and whatnot and then things just get all freaking turned around and all of a sudden um people see you and think like you're you're king of the list it's like well i guess you know it's the way it kind of worked out man you know i don't know that's how we got the name

anyways and again yeah that was like 2016 ish rank i remember you guys in 2016 by the way yeah when everything was first started kicking gas man because you start right when you're when you first start like it was i didn't know like first thing you do Because you start right when you're when you first start. Like it was I didn't know. Like the first thing you do is you start looking over over other podcasts and see how they're doing it. Yeah. Who's doing what? And there wasn't a lot of us, man. Mark Bell was a little more powerlifting focus at the time.

He was a big inspiration for us when we got started. For sure. You know, we look to them what they were doing a lot. Yeah. Did you guys when you first started in 2016 would you guys like how was it modeled like did you guys come in questions prepped free-flowing conversation or how were you guys i would say probably god tanner maybe you remember better than me but i mean it was topical we came in with a topic of the day really is what we tried at that point in time and that probably was maybe

what the first 10 or 15 episodes like we thought we had a single topic we wanted to stick to and then as time went on it started to get more and more loose and just as it started to turn more into observations of just what we have in life and things that have been going on and and then as massonomics got a little bigger just started to turn more into this is what's going on in massonomics this week. And also there was some lifting things. And yeah, it's definitely evolved over time for us. Oh, it's evolved.

So, I mean, what we do now is really nothing like, people talk about this all the time. You know, if they come across us and they go through the back catalog, they're like, oh, I got to like listen to those because it is such an evolution. Or if you just randomly, you've listened to our last 150 and then you go back to and listen to a couple of the early ones you'd be like who are these dudes why are they talking like that yeah they seem like they're not having you know they're not joking around and you know we that's a big thing what we do you know we try to take a fun approach to everything and in

the beginning we maybe kind of had that in the back of their mind our minds but even if nothing else just from being uncomfortable with the situation you know it just wasn't as loose and as fun and it just it took a long time to get to that i think you know the wildest okay so when i first started in 2016 and i can't even like i can't even put myself in these shoes anymore so first off i know you guys had a different dude in there as well with you in the beginning. I went through so much. I've been through so many different co-hosts in my, you know, it's crazy. It first started me and my boy Randy at his pad.

And I remember when we first started, I was like nervous as shit. I remember like getting like, like, I remember thinking like, are people even going to want to come on? What if they say no? And I was like, fuck, I should like, I need to ask people to come on like eight weeks in advance. I need to book eight weeks worth of people. Otherwise, I don't know if I could talk them in time.

And what if like, what if a week rolls by and I don't have anyone and I can't get anyone because no one wants to come on. And what do we do and i remember this is like shit that i worried about at the time and so i was nervous no one would care no one would come on people like why would i do that not realizing like i mean it was easy peasy let me squeeze and get people on um and then also like i was nervous as shit like what if it's a dud what if i got nothing to say or what if I got nothing to say? Or what if they got nothing to say? And I'm like, run out of questions.

So I would research and write down so many questions and write down like, it was wild, man, which is now, I just don't even know what it's like to hop on the podcast and before be nervous. Like now, like you do it every week for years every week every month for years and you're like yeah i got a podcast today you know what i mean like whatever we'll get ready like it's just it is what it is it's so it's not that i don't care it's uh like i love it i love a good conversation and like i have topics i want to ask them and i might make

notes like i gotta make sure because i can get off topic gotta make sure i want to hit a certain topics because if they come on and off the only reason i'm doing it now is if they come on and off and certain people have expectations of fuck me you had you had perk on and you didn't ask them about you know what i mean it's yeah yeah like yeah yeah yeah i don't want to do that however i hop on now man and i'll free flow it in my confidence in conversational skills you fellows probably after years here's something the podcast and they give you after years of sitting down every week with somebody you don't know and i've heard you boys you guys can talk man you guys can keep a conversation going you guys can you know how to actively listen and do follow-up questions the whole night, which is all about. Which is a skill, actually, doing that, to be listening and thinking of the next thing you're going to say.

Yeah, it's hard. How much better have you gotten over the years? When I first started, I feel like I was good. But my confidence level now, in terms of meeting people in life, I'm like, sit down, let's talk. I can keep it going, man. I've done three hours with someone I just met, you know, for sure. And we prep to a certain degree. Like we, I, we want to have a list of things. Like we'll see where the conversation goes and maybe we don't get to half of them. Maybe we get to all of them. Maybe we don't, but it's like, you want, it's almost like a fallback list, you know, because you don't know

what some of the people are like, just like you're talking to them. Some people are not that comfortable speaking. They don't elaborate very much on it. You got to pull it out of them. So it is kind of nice to just have this easy reference of things you could go to if you need to. So we do it for that same, basically the same thing you're saying, but just thinking about it, talking about it here, it is really a funny thing socially. Like if we didn't have this podcast it would be such an odd thing if every week you're like yep here's this dude stranger for two hours let's see where here's this dude or this chick i've never met him in person maybe had just like a tiny limited interaction over

social media let's sit down and chat for an hour or you know it just would be it would be you know it is like second nature at this time but it would be such an odd thing otherwise I've actually never thought of it that way and that is it is really funny when you actually think of I mean that's what it is and it is funny when you think of it that way okay I talked to like what do I got in common

being my age in Canada and I talked to some girl in Sweden half my age and it's And I talked to some girl in Sweden, half my age. And it's like, we got nothing to come. We grew up like we got nothing to come. And we're going to sit down and talk for like three hours.

It's like if I'm meeting someone new now and it's like, this is nothing. I'm able to talk. This is nothing. You do it all the time. You know how to talk. And it is a skill, man. It's funny how some people say

this generation has got less communication skills but i don't know if everybody's got freaking podcasts i bet you they're talking a lot i'm not sure it's maybe just different communication skills at times too it's just a different way of communicating in general with social media podcasts all that it's just it is different i mean it's it's we go into places like the arnold or expos or different events that we're at through the year we get to then meet these people that we've never actually met in person before but even seeing them that first time in person it's not like meeting them for the first time it's like oh yeah we're buddies we know each you know it feels like it feels like you're catching up yeah like you've

always known each other you know it's great i just had like perk on again like awesome perkins um and i remember i saw him at powerlifting american nationals for like two seconds i was just about to go live and commentate and seeing him out the corner of my eye he rolls up and he's like hey six and i'm like oh it like shook his head and he's like i'll let you do your thing we'll talk afterwards and i never saw him and then um when i have him on the podcast like we've talked so much in dms i've had him on the podcast several times over over years and i was like perk was that the only time we've ever seen each other face to face he's like yeah yeah yeah two seconds my friend for two seconds that's it

he read it in the whole life and i feel like i've known i know this guy know this guy like i've seen you see him on social media you see like when he's got a new girlfriend he's what he's doing in life oh he's coaching now good for you just talk to him on dms how is that going whatever it's crazy but you you don't know you you barely see these people in real life and to your point too i've had people come up to me listen to the podcast whom i don't i haven't talked to in the podcast like they're not guests and um i didn't see their face i don't know i don't i've never even clicked on their profile to take a look i was just shooting shit with them because they messaged i happened to message back and we just talk about whatever and then every now and then when they hear a podcast i'll be like yo

come in with some comments i'll comment back and um and then when i finally meet a face-to-face i'm like dude i had no idea we even looked at this yeah i had no idea like oh that's you oh okay that's that's the. Oh, shit. Okay. That's the classic one is you don't know what they look like. They say your name and you still don't know. And then you're like, what's your handle? Yeah, what's your handle? And they're like, oh, you.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We've known you for years. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, could you carry a little circle around about like this size of your profile picture? And I'd be like, oh, yeah, I recognize you in that little dot all the time.

Exactly. Do you have anyone that comes to your mind you've had a lot of people on interviewed a lot of people but anyone could you say anyone is a favorite guest you've ever had on king of the lifts anything like that i know that's a hard question people ask us that sometimes yeah you know i would say okay i mean favorite guests is tough i got reoccurring guests that I love having on lately. I mean, Gavin, Gavin Aiden had been like murdering with podcasts and he had one recently that just totally blew up and everybody started sharing it. And, um, but I, like Gavin's a big one, you know, like Taylor Atwood case, come on when he did 838.5 um and just like

destroyed all the different formulas that you you know to find who's pound for pound and just destroyed the world record then he came on he was dropping soundbite after my man was not just peaked physically fellas but soundbite wise he was on form and that podcast blew up and um i mean we've had a ball every time he's come on as well um i mean freaking uh it's tough to say for sure because even when i look through history like i mean stephy cohen's not even a powerlifter anymore but she was good back in the day and um i've had some like doozies too where people come on like jonathan kaiko's come on and talked about some like deep shit like here's the thing here's what i've noticed if i have a co-host um the mood will be different than if

it's just me one-on-one with somebody and if it's just me one-on-one with somebody even though there's thousands of people who are going to listen to it afterwards feels different in the moment yeah and i've gone to some crazy places with people like even taylor came on and like some people get like full-on emotional open up and talk about their background about some crazy background stories i talked to taylor atwood for like i first met him 2016 at worlds and we did a podcast shortly afterwards and we've been ever since and in 2023 and he's done like i don't even know how many podcasts with me in 2023 he came on and is like i'm ready to tell my background story i'm like what's your background story and then he opened up and it was like, my dudes, if I don't know if you heard it, but so we go like three hours deep.

And these are some crazy conversations where like, I don't know, man, it changes you. It is humbling to someone like would open up to you like that. There's something else that's changed with King of Lifts. So in terms of to double back to your question before I deviate, not sure who my favorite one is to think about. Like that's a tough one. I probably would have like a top five guarantee Taylor in there. Um, what about you guys?

Have you guys had Kevin Eden, Taylor at would get no. So that kind of goes to my next question too. We'll get to that. But, um, you know, who, who talking your wishlist, you know know who you haven't got on that you you you would really like to get on like taylor's one of those ones that we for sure would like to get on at some point in time that we haven't but

i kind of answer the who's your favorite in the same way what you did it's that is that's impossible um i sometimes lean to the guys just that i have this connection that i started falling when i first got into lifting you know and so like 2006 2007 2008 it was like t nation and elite fts so it's like dave tate jim wendler uh derrick poundstone some of these people that i just like my first ever lifting exposure because it's just almost surreal. Then, you know, um, 15 years later, we're getting them on a, to take the time to come on our podcasts and to just chat with us and that they want to do that. Uh, there's just something to that, that I just always, it's always cool to me. I'm like, ah, this dude that when I was 20 years old, a dumb ass, you know, just clueless

didn't know what I was doing. I was reading this guy's article and now they're coming on our podcast. So someone like that, like a Dave Tate, that one that sticks out to me, but I, I, I don't know. It's like an impossible question. It is. It's like a hard question. And it is those guys that have that legend status that I think have that, you know, in your mind, you've had years and years to build them up to be this big thing where now so many of the people we have on, like, it just feels like, you know, we're not peers from a lifting standpoint, but it feels like, ah, we're peers. We're kind of all in the industry in some way or another. We kind of, we kind of all get what's going on. So it doesn't have quite

that same allure of like, oh, you were like almost pre-internet. Like you're like a whole different monster than the rest of us. Right us right so so essentially the pre-social media dudes are the ones that impact you the most when they come on like the legendary yeah it's like that yes that's what i would say and i don't even know if they're better conversations but i think they just have that allure of like oh there's something different here because like i mean talking social media like jessica bittner every time she's on that's like an awesome one she's a ton of fun you know we have a great time with her. I mean, there's just like tons of, you know, newer people that come up and we love having them on the podcast and they always do great, but it is a, it's just

a different feeling going into those ones versus, uh, you know, some of these older guys. Man, let me tell you real quick story. Um, you guys know, obviously Bill Casmar. Yeah. We've interviewed bill a couple times before so not as a full podcast just short like uh five ten ten minute interviews talk about sound bites in these five ten minute interviews we get some of the wildest sound bites from bill casmar but go ahead um yeah no i actually no no, I totally can see that. So the first year I'm commentating, and I've, like, I've, fellas,

I was commentating at the World Championships. I had never, ever commentated before in my life. This, this is, I snuck in on this shit, and it'll never happen again. What did happen? Well, you know, you hadn't commentated before.

So how did you become, how did you get that role? This is how it happened. This is, this is kind of wild. And you guys could probably appreciate how wild this would be. Um, being like, you've, you've been a podcast and done all this thing and done all these expos, et cetera. Um, so I'm doing, I know, I know social media, I'm running'm running king of lifts and i approach the ipf i shot gaston parage the president an email saying i think i could help you guys with your

social media and gaston's like and i noticed on the ipf um instagram at the time they hadn't posted like six weeks i'm like it's gotta be done here. Now this is, this isn't this, this is 2016 range. So people here six weeks, it wasn't as crazy at the time, but still I'm like, I could do some things. Um, let me help you out. And he was like, and I told him my background, my back, like I've done reality TV and done like speaking tours and, um, you know, a media trained a whole nine. That's another, that's another story altogether, but this is before I got onto this. So I gave him my background.

I was like, this is all I've done. I could do this. So then he shot an email saying, um, this is Ryan Lapidat and he's now a member of their media team. And he just shot it to the media team, all CC and I'm like, holy shit. So now I'm running the media team and he just shot it to the media team all cc'd and like holy shit so now i'm running the instagram page and kingless at the same time and i'm blowing up the power the ipf instagram page like i'm posting daily and we're getting like you know we're murdering um the john hack brett gibbs showdowns going down in the summer of 2016 at the ipf worlds you guys know how legendary john hack versus brett gibbs was and and i am just murdering on social media hyping the shit out of the showdown and no showdowns had ever been hyped like that on social media and i know because like you guys know because we were

around but i i the ipf wasn't doing it before i grabbed it. None of the federations were doing it, right? And the IPF was the biggest or is the biggest. So I'm hyping the shit out of it as we're getting closer and closer. And every time like Brett does something like a squat, John does a squat and I'm reposting them. Like who do you guys think is going to win and blah, blah, blah, right?

And then an email goes out saying, who wants the commentated ipf worlds we need commentators to the to the media team now these are just like random people on the media team this is before commentary had leveled up okay so i'm like can't be this fucking easy i'm gonna get vetted but i'm like email back yeah i'll do it and then they were like all right um we'll buy you plane tickets hotel and everything we'll see you there all right yeah so i fly in and this is colleen texas and i'm meeting like some of the media team members and the one dude i remember we were like it's like two days before so we're getting some groceries at the grocery store because you can be there for like at the time all the masters all the juniors

and then the open it was like 12 days long so when i hear people saying had a long weekend man three days of commentating like that's cute playboy i did 12 straight people who are 75 years old you know then 13 year olds and then finally the open two weeks in so anyways um so we're at the grocery store and the one the guy is like um so with the other commentator who who's been around the block a little bit. He's like, so, how many times have you commentated before? I'm like, this will be the first one. And he's like, no, no. I mean, like, this is your first world championships.

I mean, how many times have you commentated? At the Nationals, for instance. You're from Canada. How many times have you commentated Canadian Nationals? I've never commentated Canadian the nationals for instance you're from canada how many times you commentated canadian nationals i never commentated canadian nationals all right you you're from where you from canada ontario how many times you commentate the provincials ontario provincials not provincials neither okay how many times you commentated a local meet how many times you commentated i'm like dog i ain't never commentated before in my life i'm scared shitless and i don't know what's about to happen tomorrow and he's like oh my god so they um he gives me a crash course on what the lead does what the co

does um what we all the different things that you're supposed to do as a commentator and uh things that you're supposed to do as a commentator and uh man day two day two fellas they tell me ryan you're doing good i think we're gonna have you lead now if you don't know commentary the lead is by far the more critical role the lead is your play-by-play if you watch boxing and mma i'm a boxing mma guy it is such a joe rogan is like he's not the lead he's he's the co he's the color commentator right john annick is the lead and um joe rogan will be like i could never leave i can never be the lead i'm never gonna be the play-by-play it's such such a harder job it's not even crazy it's all on you and the other guy just adds in tidbits when he needs added tidbits day two ever and they're like i think we're gonna

have you lead today for one session i'm like all right but in my mind i'm like but i'm on the surface i'm like sounds good um who's my co and the guy goes bill casma Bill Kazma. I'm at the World Championships day two. I'm leading him? I'm leading him. He's going to follow me. This isn't real.

I'm having a full-blown panic attack, man. Yeah, it was crazy, man, by the experience I had. So in terms of what you guys are talking about being awestruck and feeling some nervousness when you had those early podcasts meaning it was legends that was the worst that that was like i couldn't even fully appreciate it at the time i was like oh my god i'm like talk about imposter syndrome yeah god man yeah so how did it go with bill i i mean it was he didn't know nothing he didn nothing. He didn't know nothing in terms of me being new. He couldn't tell. At least he didn't let me know.

Maybe he was like, God damn, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. Maybe he's just being nice. And I remember, too, it was hilarious. At one point, Bill brought up Ed Cohen on the IPF Live Media Street. They were like, my man's going there isn't he's

going for it uh but uh but yeah it is what it is it's bill and then by the time and this was like in the master's division and then by the time the juniors came around and then they opened and then we get the hat gibbs i was warmed up i'd already been like that was like day like seven eight for some people that's like you know four weekends of commentating i just crunched it all in one i was i sharpened my teeth in a week straight three sessions a day i was ready and uh we murdered it that was a good one john uh johnny candido jumped in for that uh john hack givesbs with me yeah uh it was wild man it's funny uh this is just a specific thing that not on our list here but talking about bill doing it you know and bringing up ed and everyone knows you know that ed's got this ban and you know they don't there's this

thing like you stay away from ed cone and the ipf and stuff like that but what about bill you know i know don't know that he's ever banned from the ipf or anything but he talks very openly about like uh drug use stuff over the years but it's just uh there's no ban there so it's not he's not yeah i don't know that way do you think or i don't know i don't know exactly because i mean this it predates me when it was happening obviously i like you you know like everyone knows what it is now but i don't know like because it was it was it well first off i i think i because bill yeah for sure didn't like fail any tests but you could fail the test and come back you could fail the test serve your time and come back so it's not even necessarily that um and and

they've had like you know zed Zydrunas Savickas, multiple time World's Strongest Man. He's been around and has done a lot of work. Like, you know, he was, I interviewed him at 2017 Worlds because he was there. He was at Sheffield as like a guest. So it's, there's more to it. I think it was multiple suspensions and bans.

And then I can't remember if there was like, if things ever went to court and things got ugly i'm not sure there's more to the story it predates me and i i know i think ed's got a book i never read it but um there's more to it though and i don't know full on about it so that was that was a part of uh yeah announcer school was giving you the full that's right there's one thing that look at there's one thing that it did not bring. Guys, let's get into that.

It still happens, but I'm not sure, man. It's an interesting question. What about anyone on your wish list for a guest on the podcast that you haven't gotten that you would really if you could pick one person that you'd love to get on there and haven't yet anyone i mean thank you i mean well you know what you knew it was a tough cookie to crack to get on and i always was trying to get him on um the boss dan green

he's not a podcast type of dude super intro not a social media type of dude super introverted he was the man at one point i know you fellas know you from the generation and everybody was like you realize people tell him in his youtube he just posts like a 90 second youtube of him dead lifting with nothing no captions the background he didn't have a background on his youtube channel it was like so like people in the comments are like do you know what you could do if you just got anybody to help you out with social media and i remember trying to like messaging him but like he didn't even see the messages you know he doesn't even know he follows one person on or you know it's like he kind of follows nobody the messages, you know, he doesn't even know one person on, or, you know,

it was like he kind of follows nobody on social media. And yeah, he just like, I don't even know if he even knew I was trying to get him on. And I, and I'm not in the untested world. So he, I wouldn't see him face to face to ask him. Maybe if you built up a rapport. Cause you saw him around. He was definitely one dude.

People like Larry wheels. I never got him on um you know chatted a little bit in dms but never had him on the podcast that'd be an interesting one although he's you know segued away from powerlifting right um the guys like half thor and eddie hall those would be some big those are some some big whales to reel in had uh sebastian um half thor's coach on he was a phenomenal yeah guest and he's the stories he had he's an amazing storyteller he's very charismatic um so he i've had you know i should probably have him on again see when you when i get asked my favorite uh guest i you almost forget because you've done it for so many people yeah you do forget he was good like he was 2018 that was five years ago man

that's half a decade you forget you're like he was good you probably appreciate his look too you know he's a good looking guy huh yeah man he's like he's a lot more jacked but um yeah how about you guys who who would you like to have on on the wish list oh i think those ones you mentioned yeah i mean like all the big strong men like those would all ryan shaw is like one that i ryan be great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We haven't – he's not easily accessible, you know, like in that way. It's funny like the different levels of how you can get a hold of someone. And granted, we got enough connections,

enough people that are good friends with him that we've had on that it's like we could call in favors. But I don't really like to call in favors that way. I like to get the connection ourselves built somehow and then go from there. So Brian's been one that we haven't been able to make that happen with, you know, for a long time, it was our thing.

Like that. Candido wouldn't come on with us. I know. I remember you guys posted that. I remember that was hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We finally wore them down and had it on. So it was funny, but that almost kind of like, it was almost like we didn't want to have them on. Cause it was going to ruin the stick. Like not being able to get them on and like lose this thing that we like to talk about. We ruined this joke.

We were one less joke every week we can do now. I know. I know. Yeah. I think the, the Brian half, you know, we've gotten to interview half or in person a couple of times,

but not a full podcast. And, uh, but yeah, Brian, Eddie, I don't know, Tommy, anything else. Uh, I just thinking of other ones off the top of my head, like Juju Mufu, we've been wanting to get him for a while. And we talked to him. We'll probably make that happen at some, some of these we think we will make happen. It's just, uh, timing and when and where another one of the classic guys,

Kurt Kowalski, getting him on would be a pretty big deal too. Yeah, that'd be a good one. He would have stories. Oh, that's, I'd love to just talk, you know, it's just, just to pick his brain would be fun, you know, like to get some candid feedback from him on stuff.

What do you guys like? Do you guys like this? Have you guys had Mitch Hooper? No, he's another one we'd love to have though. I listened to your episode with him though, and that's really good. And he would definitely, like, guys like this have you guys had mitch hooper no another one we'd love to have though i i listened to your episode with him though and that's really good and he would definitely like he's definitely one we should get uh we would love to get on sometime too he and he like he's a really good guest like talker and very good i mean if you heard that episode yeah it's really good yeah

he could talk he'll joke around he's got stories he's a charismatic dude i've had a lot of guys on uh you know pritchett big laws uh like i've had some strong men on and they're usually pretty good because they've done a lot of media the big thing is is like sometimes um if you've done a lot of media like i remember because i was on a reality tv show and sometimes if you're media trained it's a little different and sometimes you want to get them opened up oh that's that point you can tell those guys yeah you can tell those guys that have a lot of have done their sales pitch done their media training because you just they want to get on their track of this is my script when i do it and you try to pull them off it and they start going but then they jump right back on it again you're like no no let's keep this organic man to be honest stan efforting is the king of uh you know we've

had stan on before i was literally i was gonna cut tommy off and i was like i was like stan efforting i can't wait as soon as he's done talking i'm gonna say my man jumped in dog i had him on i'm like it was a he turned it into an infomercial. God bless him. And I'm like, damn it. He knows what he's doing. He does. He definitely knows what he's doing. And some people just have their stories that they're going to tell no matter what. And like, I don't know if to be fair, some people like Ed, for example, he's been on so many, we got to ask him some of the same questions that we've heard other people

ask him though, because it's just like, we got some people that are listening that maybe haven't heard those him and those other outlets before. So we got to ask him those things too. And, uh, but yeah, Stan is the King of, uh, like, Nope, Nope. Let's bring it right back here, back to the vertical diet. All right. I know. And that's where it's this, I've had some people on and kind of turn it into infomercial sessions or or even like or they just told they don't fully just kind of just relax and

be themselves which i get it sometimes i think we can't take for granted the fact that we talk all the damn time like this so it's easy for us where some people maybe it's the way of wearing a mask right and feeling safe is kind of getting in that mode but it's easy once they just shoot the shit like you're talking just talk like you're talking it's easier than you think but yeah we do we did have one guest i'm not going to name names on this one but that that did manage to straight up turn it into an infomercial and tommy and i got done with that one and we were like that's not what we wanted to achieve here today but like we there was just no way around it like it was just gonna it was just gonna happen And Tommy and I got done with that one. And we were like, that's not what we wanted to achieve here today.

But like, there was just no way around it. Like it was just going to, it was just going to happen that way. And sometimes it's just, there's a lot of varieties of personalities and you like just a lot of different ways that people handle it. Have you ever had any yourself that you thought that didn't go that well? Like you get done, you're like, that that's not that's not what i hope for here today 100 well first off yes the stand efforting one um kind of turned it turned into an infomercial unfortunately and he had notes that he was looking at for like that he wanted to make sure he hit and everything and i was like damn it playboy this could have been so good um you just you know if

we just talk but um but he's a legend, man. He doesn't owe me nothing. If I saw him, I'd be fanboying. For sure. I don't care. That's why I think in his case, it's okay to name the name because it's just like people get it, and he's still awesome. He's doing that, and he's still good. He's a legend.

If I saw him, I'd be like, I couldn't care less if I'm on the platform and do your damn thing. I did have someone, I had another one where I remember telling them ahead of time, you don't want this to turn into an infomercial. I won't name names either, but I'm like, trust me, you got to play this like conversational and keep it loose. And you know, like if you're going to talk about whatever you want to play this like conversational and and keep it loose and um you know like if if you're going to talk about whatever you want to talk about you know because everyone's got a

service product coaching a diet whatever the hell and again it turned it's it's some people turn into presentation mode and they don't realize like when you give a presentation everything dies after that like literally people just be like and they're out you know it's not what people came for and then you're you're stuck with and i don't i don't know how often this has happened to you fellas where you're like all right i'm gonna put this out because like some of these people you know might be your boys and you're like all right i said i was going to whatever but at the same time you're in the back of your mind like this is not what i do i'm not like a part of this product or anything and i realize certain people are going to mention their products but at the same time you don't want your platform to turn into an infomercial for everybody or people to start

thinking it's going to or whatever and that's never been what king of lifts is you know it just isn't um it's got to be like we do stories and get into debates and like just it's for real conversation i don't care i always will ask guests before i let them go or at some point be like right coaching you want to shadow do you right whatever or even if during in the conversation you want to segue drop in oh by the way bang bang boom and but it's got to be conversation like what do you get out of coaching what do you get out of this diet let's talk about dieting then why do you do it like this it's got to be real it's got to be real you know what's amazing is lane norton he's um he's a dude first off he was like like big and power lifting for like way back oh yeah no he was huge yeah and he he's since then like been on joe rogan and is cultivated like he's still in the

masters now winning world titles doing his damn thing and is now like more than just like an athlete he's like obviously a social media he always was even back then what am i talking about but anyways ended up having him on podcast. He knows exactly how to have a real conversation. And this is, this, I was done make people like you. And you could let them know about, you know, your shit. And then when you have products to talk about, they're going to come. But if you come on and you're like bang, bang, boom,

and you're coming through everything it's like it's gonna be tough it's gonna be more difficult right and um lane also by the way is another guy that for years knew about him ahead of time and then he'd reached out in dms um because he was started listening to the podcast lane lindsen's little podcast oh shit and then lane norton at a time when like the podcast was like you know we're talking earlier like the the sound quality was before king of this was hot garbage you go back i'm like god i can't believe what we were doing back then and i remember this is when you like link my point is lane is a real one he reached out to me in the dms i didn't know him from nothing

and he was like listen i like your i like the podcast i believe in what you're doing um i i know the sound quality is an issue i'm not trying to be i'm not hopefully you don't take that the wrong way take it as constructive criticism he goes just as somebody who's appreciates what you do for the sport and with like king of this reposting commentary whatever because he sees live streams he's like just with appreciation from that he's like i will personally help fund and help buy equipment or whatever and you don't got to give me a shout out you don't got to give me nothing that's just between me and you and you don't got to tell nobody it ever happened and i didn't tell that story for like five years i never told nobody that story like lane just reached out i'll just fucking let me know and i

couldn't take his money i was like lane i can't do it i'll figure it let me know and i couldn't take his money i was like lane i can't do it i'll figure it out don't worry i can't do this not like this though and that is the thing but dude so then when i end up meeting lane um like we're hanging out we're like going out for dinner he's like i'm in toronto um he's got a seminar and that was just like earlier this year we've been talking to dmt being on the podcast a couple times but we've never met in person he's like i'm in toronto i know you about you're around there let's link up say less i showed up at a seminar it's got me tickets we went out for dinner and drinks we're hanging out all weekend then when we're doing pa nats um spd's like we can use another commentator i'm like i'm a fucking guy yeah they fly in they

lay door we're doing it all over again and he's like a for real you're hanging out with this dude like he actually is a good guy you're like he lived up he's actually you know they say like sometimes you meet somebody to let you down like man this dude like will live up um i don't know anyways yeah i got off topic but it no that's good um before we forget about it ipf worlds it's coming up really soon right like are you about ready to get on a plane here one of these days in like half an hour no joke uh yeah man it's uh it's the any minute no man it's right around the corner i'm freaking it's it's insane like when i first started IPF World Commentary in 2016,

what it looked like and what we were doing is so not the same as what's happening right now. When I first started watching powerlifting, gentlemen, I remember my boy was in the Arnold Classic and there wasn't a live stream. There was a scorecard and I would hit the refresh button and I could see if his squat went green or red and that's what i was watching you know what i mean like this was but that was

what my stream was around 2010 11 and then when i started in 2016 the quality streams and i told you the commentary you're just kind of pulling people in to now looking at this ipf worlds they're telling me like first off like like the commentators we get flown in but now we're like paid commentator and you don't like you you would nobody can just come in you have to audition do smaller shows etc far more high level in the ipf world team now is like they're bringing it they're on eurosport they're bringing in staff from eurosport to also help run it at the end of every, they want me to have like a show where I'm on a couch talking to,

doing a recap analysis, working with the Eurosport guys, going to do athlete interviews. And Eurosport's got like 8 million people over there. Like they're like the ESPN over there in Europe. And it's crazy. It's crazy with the level that IPF Worlds has gotten to. Sheffield definitely helped with people

wanting to level up on it. And in the gotten to sheffield definitely helped with people wanting to level up on it and um in the what sheffield's i think it's sheffield's impact what do you guys think it is when you see the roster of ipf worlds it is the biggest ipf raw worlds we've ever seen biggest ipf worlds period it's nuts how stacked it is the divisions are like got so many lifters it's nuts what do you attribute this to what the heck is going on so many lifters it's nuts what do you attribute this to what the heck is going on oh boy i i don't is part of it is part of it playing catch up from covid years like are people you know finally they got everything together like the world's feeling like it's more open and they're they're playing catch up i think that's part of it i definitely think the sheffield

that didn't hurt either you know like the the attention that got was crazy and they put on a great show the presentation everything was was a plus there so i mean i guess those would be the two obvious factors to me probably yeah what do you say you're more in the know than we are so what do you say i don't know about that you guys know a lot too but i would say um i don't know me if i get the temperature of the room i think the covid thing is a thing as well where people like, let's go. Also, I do think Sheffield's got people energized and wanting to be a part of, I realized like only like the world champions are going to go to Sheffield in a couple of wild cards,

but the popularization of the sport ups participation. That's what it is. Even with depth now, like like like there's always been outstanding athletes but the depth is getting to be really crazy now at every level like that's you know there's exciting thing there's not just yeah that's the one guy that's going to win it okay we know that it's there's like battles going on you know that's the biggest issue that hurts um in the untested. The depth isn't as deep, you know,

like you don't have like people one through like five, anyone can win it in the same weight class. So you have to do like money meets where there's like formulas, et cetera, which is still good. But a lot of times it's going to be like, I'm tuning in to watch what, what's John Hack going to do? What's Jamal going to pull? Like whatever the hell, what's Joe Sullivan going to squat, whatever, you know, it's not like a but at five guys same weight class five girls same weight class here's one thing that powerlifting's got that's that most sports don't um we watch women's division of

powerlifting and that makes us so much stronger because it like almost doubles our size like they're not it's not quite parody 50, but if you're a basketball fan, you know, watching WNBA playboy, don't lie to me. I think it's factual. Nobody's watching the WNBA, you know, like the numbers are prove that. Or like, or like hockey, um, baseball, you know, like whatever, like football, whether it's american football or freaking soccer football the numbers it's not supported in the women's divisions ufc it is

ufc 100 it is and you could be a star and sell pay-per-views and powerlifting 100 and not just the women if all if the women's sports fans watched hockey they would have more than enough there's more than enough women in the world to support hockey basketball they don't even to convert men to to buy an in on it but it's not even just the women watching powerlifting the men will be like who's gonna win you know the battle of the 57s the 52s it's like we have preview shows and we're hot in it like it's that helps us and that helps make these world championships this stack. And also, I think this is something Tommy that I think is a factor. So powerlifting, um, we kind of take for granted North American cultures, gym culture in women

in North America or smashing weights. I think in some nations it was lagging behind a little bit by a few years and is now catching up so now the culture is like women squatting bench pressing and deadlifting to us for years like yeah no shit certain parts of the world it wasn't and it took a while to catch up and start breaking those stigmas and now that they are globally you take a look at france sweden italy on the women's side stacked killers they're coming in and and um i think that's greatly helping as well so i think the women's division and the popularization and the men's division is still going up i just don't know when when we're going to reach our crescendo it's like we're tapped out we're not going to get much bigger

yeah what do you guys think are we at the top of the bubble or that's yeah i mean is that yeah is this the peak? Is the peak in five years? Or does it just keep steadily growing over the next decade? I don't know what that is. I don't know. A lot of times I think we are actually getting close. I know there's like everyone.

We've had the conversation so many times with so many people about what needs to be done to take power lifting to the next level. And we're also usually saying that in the context of American fans. Right. And I forget when you start talking about like, oh yeah, women's sports are playing catch up in other parts of the world or they're gaining popularity. I forget that that's a whole thing because we just get so used to our little American bubble. Right. And you forget there's a whole thing because we just get so used to our little American bubble. Right. And you forget there's a whole world out there still. Yeah. The context of IPF worlds is a different conversation too than what a lot of times the way it's framed for us. But sometimes I do start to think, I don't know. It's just, I don't know that anyone's doing

anything wrong or anything needs to be done differently. I think sometimes I think it is what it is to a certain degree. And you just take the small victories or not even small, but you take the victories like Sheffield. I'm like, that's what is going to grow. You know, that's, what's making it a bigger deal is like people coming in and, and backing it that way, like SBD is and turning into that. But, um, I guess I'm never under the opinion that powerlifting is going to be like something way beyond what it is now.

I mean, it can continue to grow and get better and better, but I don't know. Because we do talk about that too with the, especially on the untested side, there's been a few people that have stepped up over the last few years. And, you know, there's those premier meets in America as far as untested goes. You know, what's there? Probably four or five of them on the calendar for the year. Yeah. The pro Virginia one coming up soon. You know, there's like, yeah, and there's been the Kern and the, the showdown and, you know, there's a few different ones and, you know, every few years, one or two of them drops out and one or two more ads in, but

it kind of feels like it's just been the status quo for a while. Like it feels, I don't know if I'd feel like it's saying like at that level things are blowing up or slowing down it just kind of feels like they're staying about even and i don't know maybe that's just the way maybe that's where that is maybe that is tapped out i'm not sure well okay so let me oh let me give my two cents there yeah you're right you you're definitely right in terms of like yeah you got the American pro and they're like, I do. I totally know what you mean in terms of the untested. We kind of, it's going to have been like waves coming up. Some come in, some come out, popularize, and then they come out, reshape,

rebrand, come back. And it's kind of, you, it doesn't feel like there's major differences. I do think. So with Sheffield, the announcement, first off, Sheffield was so big. I'm not a big sports guy. The sports i watch is mma and boxing i'm listening to mma and boxing podcasts and it gets referenced sheffield got referenced and they're like did you see what that guy jesus olivares did that event called sheffield and they were like he's he because jesus ollvirus in the ipf i've totaled everybody in untested everybody ever just period and it's like this is it's a once-in-a-lifetime athlete like this is just he's the strongest power lifter we've ever seen ever it's it's incredible and he's like 24 so

then you start being like oh my god what happens when he's 25 26 like he's not even close yet so it's very exciting and then um so then there's that there's sheffield and then you see spd now is like that was year one we and this is how the buzz that that happened spd is now already increased the payouts by 22 and people like i forget the money now but we're talking like 50 K or something like possible, like in a day in one day, like it's, that's where people are going to start getting excited in the event itself. Sheffield already, like in terms of the budget for production and everything's going up, it's significantly their, their ideas. And I can't say too much because obviously I'm part of the program and I'm pretty, I'm privy to some information that they haven't put out yet but i can just tell you fellas the lead up

in some of the projects that's going to happen with spd is good and then the actual event itself is like what you saw the first year sheffield is like the warmup room. This, the platform is going to come out on year two. And then year three that we're talking, there's already another leveling up, but a big one that awaits. We have to knock out the park, the next one. And it's a big, like this, this thing is getting big, big, big. So in terms of Sheffield's impact 100 people are watching that being i gotta get involved even if i can't make it as far as sheffield it makes you

excited it makes you like i want to be a part of this sport then on top of that if you guys know the world games the world games multi-sport event um people all over the world come to it and like they got i mean it's it's ioc recognized it's every four years just like the olympics and they take games like baseball golf from the world games to the olympics and then sometimes they go back to the world games and like three on three basketball shit like that right and powerlifting is in that and for a long time people didn't really super care for a long time the ipf was only equipped when it went raw it exploded the world games has only ever been equipped right again i can't say too much because

because i get in trouble for saying too much fellas imagine the world games goes raw imagine the kaboom well i'll be you know and i'm not saying nothing there's no media i'm not announcing anything officially but uh i'm just saying so there's a lot of like there's a lot of things in the future coming down the pipeline and then you triple that with like everyone's like oh my god the women in france are just murdering it right now like i mean they're they're gonna they're they're gonna they're, they're going to beat the Americans and continue to beat the Americans. It's insane. Other nations are coming just like that because of popularization around the globe.

It's, it's, uh, the strength of the global mass. You previously, it was just the U S you know, you, you fellows are like, oh, we're just thinking about a U S yeah. But U S was like 80% where there's untested or tested tested like they always won men's and women's in the raw and for untested it was mostly you know i mean there's people outside u.s for sure but it was very much in the u.s it's not the case now and that makes powerlifting stronger because there's far more participants so then the money and sponsorships blows up um so and then you get events like Sheffield. So I think, and I'm an internal optimist, I think the next like five years

are going to be pretty bonkers from what I know. From what I know that's coming down the pipeline. And then also I know things about Eurosport. Like obviously Eurosport's big. There's like 8 million people watching and what they want to do with it and what they're doing. Production wise, Sheffield brought people in your old sport,

do the same. It's like casting a net, but I also know other things are going to happen. Um, so, and I can't say too much. So, but it,

how are the things getting bigger? We're not, we're not there yet. We're not crescendo yet, but we're still on the rise. How far? That's good.'s good i hope that's good news for all of us you know like that's what yeah man so please that's what we want uh how about this for a question do you think the uh the the the split ipfAPL split that went on, is that good for the sport or bad for the sport?

It's got to be bad. 100%. The dilution of the talent pool is never good. For instance, we were so spoiled for so long in the test division when everybody goes Nationals, Worlds, and we get our clashes. Nationals, Worlds, we get our clashes. nationals worlds we get our clashes can you imagine john hack and brett gibbs never clashed or brett gibbs and russell or he never clashed or whoever you know fill it in they just never clashed because one guy's in the u.s and now they're not coming like obviously you could like it's not just like you got people

coming over to pa and going off but still you don't we're not big enough to split like this like like in the untested um that was one of the biggest sticking points and then kern came along that kind of united people briefly and that's what made kern so special is oh shit you got an event they'll bring everybody under one umbrella for a little while when i first got into powerlifting thing was the wpc that was the big untested fed it was the world champ third world championships was the big one i think it was them and um they had an amateur arm and then a pro arm pro arm was untested but there wasn't like for a long time it wasn't like can we get everybody at the same time at the same event and

if you're in the same weight class you're're clashing, and then you clash for best lifter. And that fell apart, and then on test, it kind of had multiple different events. And you just hope people were all ended up under one, the same one at one point. We had our big showdowns. Happened at CURM, then that fell apart. So when that shit happened with USAPLap on ipf the business is not good man we let's see these let's see everybody clash yeah we'll see what happens in the future yeah it's i mean that to me was that that is the best thing about tested powerlifting is you had this

like actual sport style like playoff like you got to perform at these levels you don't just get invited to the one big meet and say all all right, show up, do your thing. It's like, no, there was a road to get here. You had to perform at every level. And on the same side in every country around the world, there's guys doing that exact same thing. And you do, you get these really awesome performances that people have been working, you know, for a whole year to get there. And yeah, it is unfortunate that that's not really the case in tested powerlifting everywhere right now. If you could handpick, you only get one lifter that tomorrow you say,

no, this is now an IPF lifter. He or her is no longer going to be a USAPL lifter. I get to choose for them. They're going to be an IPF lifter. Who would you choose to switch over? That's a good question. There's one to come that comes to my mind that, uh, yeah, probably valuable for a number of reasons.

Well, yeah, you, you go first there. Well, I just, uh, you know, I just wonder, and I, I'm not sure if, I actually don't know. I don't know the ins and outs well enough to say who makes the competition the best and in which weight class that competition needs to be. But just thinking in the terms of their reach and how they market themselves and the power. Russell Orhe.

Russell Orhe. Yeah. Yeah. It's Russell Orhe for sure in that way, but I don't know like competitively who, which, you know, if it depends on which way you slice it, but he has a certain case that way for no doubt. And so first you have, let's talk about Russell or his reach is absolutely phenomenal. You bring Russell or he over to the IPF and he does have Delaney Wallace. He does have jurors and Delaney Wallace at Sheffield almost took Russell or he's 83 kilo world record away from him with the final deadlift, but lock it out. So he's, he's there.

However, if Russ wants to move up to 93 kilo class and he already in the usapl moved up to 90 kilo and took that world record um so if he comes over and he goes 93 the battle of the 93s with gavin aiden jonathan kaiko all of their totals are real close with russ it would be absolutely gangbusters phenomenal action so russ to your point if it'd be a good showdown yeah if he wanted to whichever when he way he went he would be met with good opposition and it would be a battle to the end and what he would bring also to your point to the ipf who do you imagine him at sheffield imagine him vinny bringing his video bloggers like videoing it and the whole it would be amazing promo for sheffield his lead up to sheffield his recap of sheffield spd be like oh my god it would be phenomenal um

so 100 in terms of straight up athlete that i'm extremely intrigued about bob matthews has got me you know at the edge of my seat to see what he's gonna do he won best lifter last usapl um and he could win like gnats and he could win best lifter again like he's he's something special man he's a once-in-a-lifetime i would love to snag him bring him over i don't know who the hell is gonna battle with him so he might need to be a two-for-one deal and bring ashton as well i know that wasn't part of your question but dog who the hell is gonna battle bob matthews it's crazy he's just on another level rondell hunt is another guy i would love to snatch and austin perkins and let's have him go toe to toe with Taylor Atwood and settle this. You know, people are talking like, is the Taylor Atwood era over? And is the Austin Perkins era begun? Let me ask you fellas something real quick. What do you think constitutes

you can say this is my era? Not just I'm the best right now. Like when you look back in certain sports, you'd be like, that was that guy's era, regardless of weight class. You're like, that's his era. He's dominating so much. That's his era. What do you think you've got to do to have that? I know who comes to my mind. Like, especially if we talk about tested powerlifting, you know, I think there's the Ray Williams era in my mind. And it's just like him going out and hitting those totals. But in the same time, so Jesus has now broken that total, obviously, by a considerable margin,

but it's just not the number because I don't think it's necessary. We're not in yet. Maybe we are at the start of it, and I don't know it yet, but it doesn't feel like it's not the Jesus era yet. Like it was the Ray Williams era because he was just pioneering stuff that, uh, is like beyond the numbers a little bit. Like he just him hitting ESPN, getting in those videos and just bringing in the eyeballs. Uh, so to me, it's like some, sometimes it's maybe like,-definable metrics. Yeah, right, right. But Ray Williams is one that comes to my mind of what he was doing that. But there's also got to be that longevity factor too.

You can't just be that flash in the pan where you have the one big performance where you break the records and then you're out. If you want to establish that era, this has to be this continued period of dominance. It can't be, yeah, that guy had an era. It lasted 18 months. Right. That's a good run. Had a good meet and then another guy showed up.

Yeah, two good meets. Like how many times you can be in a year powerlifting? No, I think it's 100%. I think it's over the course of time. We just had this on the last podcast we were talking about like what constitutes if you could say this is my era and i think a you got to be extremely dominant ray williams um and we're talking like taylor atwood when he hit 838.5 if it was dots wilks or good enough points whatever the fuck you wanted he was number one

all time on all three of those formulas. And he destroyed the world record, not by like, you know, you beat the world record by a kilo, two kilos. He beat the world record like by like almost 40 kilos. It was crazy. So then, or 30 kilos, sorry. So it was crazy. So it was like that. Okay. You, you, and then he was a world champion for, for whatever year after year, after year to your point, Tommy. So there you could be like, okay,

I feel comfortable in like, this is your era, but it's tough to look. When you want to look back and make, this is my era. You almost have to have no contemporaries. You got to be Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan had an era. Can you have a two concurrent errors? Maybe in like a weight class, but not pound for pound, not pound for pound. It's like you were the best player in the league or you weren't you know you there is no two concurrent well it could be this guy could be that guy well then it's neither of those it's not their era it's like you knew when you were in the michael jordan era you know nobody's it just is what it is right

so um same with your boxing muhammad ali whatever. You just have the feeling this is this guy's era. It's got to be pretty undisputed. So right now, if someone's got to unseat Taylor and really pick up the torch, and you know what? It's not necessarily even where you just hand it off. Like just because one era ends doesn't mean the new one automatically begins right away. We might not have someone super duper dominant for a little while and we're going to be quick to want to crown somebody it's your era it's your well to your point tommy it's like did you have a couple good

meets and then someone else has a couple ones back and forth different weight classes you know someone's got to come in here and be like whoop i took every single formula any any way you want to measure me i'm number one well that's it yeah there's nobody else and tanner and i that's that's difficult yeah it is and tanner and i both probably have a bias because we always like to see the biggest numbers i do i definitely do yeah there's no doubt so like with that in mind like if you had to say like who's the up-and-comer it feels like it's jesus like he has the like he's 24 if he can just stay healthy like it can be his era so but because it's not that thing it's like oh look

how strong he is but then yeah also like the next five guys that go out well they're in the weight classes that are bigger and they're lifting the same amount like you don't have to do that explanation it's like no he just is the strongest like that that's all there is to it he is the strongest not only that let me pull this up real quick fellas but i believe if i'm not mistaken he's got one of the formulas in his favor as well um i think he's actually ahead on like usually those those formulas don't favor the big man and i forget which one he has whether it's dots or gl points or whatever but he's he's now moved in the lead on one of those formulas which

doesn't always happen either like he's he's who's for sure and he just won sheffield which is like how much are you setting a new standard like a new standard where you were like look at everybody else was here and has rose it up to here in the untested it's for sure john hack by the way he's got all the formulas he's got he's just murdering right uh multiple weight classes world records like it's John Hack old we are in the John Hack era and it's it's that's for sure here's a thought for you and you've probably thought about this uh at Sheffield Jesus won he should have won he did you know based on his performance he should have won and he did win Sheffield picks its winners on a

untypical manner, you know, something we haven't seen before in other competitions it would have been a shame had Jesus not been the winner of that meet, you know, if he did the meet that he did and if he wasn't the winner

I wouldn't like that i guess as well like as a fan i would say that doesn't make that makes no damn it did work it worked out exactly the way it should but the way that the winners picked it could come up that that doesn't play out that way kind of i think right or do you look at that do you know what i'm getting at and you can explain it better but it's fair no it's fair you got to um you got to evaluate possible outcomes so if we look at this if we look at it this way the problem with formulas is they're all different somebody sits down throws math together and you can end up like, like, like for a brief period there, it was all one guy is unanimous. It was Taylor. I would. Okay, good. And right now, and John hack on the untested. Okay, good. But there are other periods. If you go back year by year and open

powerlifting, it's different people, depending on what formula you want to use. Well, that's not good. Huh? As a matter of fact, if you go to certain major events, major powerlifting events, and they were using the Wilkes formula at the time, if you want to pop in DOTS instead, you could rechange the lineup of that already done results page and rewrite history. Well, you know, by modern standards, the guy who came in third actually won and was better. And by modern standards, we think DOTS is better than Wilkes. And that means over history things change that means over history depending on the formula you you use the reason why spd chose the world records they chose is to be different where it's kind of where i was saying with the taylor atwood thing when he came out in 2021 and took the world record which is the best thing he was ever done and ran with it they're essentially saying and this

is what jesus did is you just destroy the standard and there is no formula or anything like that it's literally take what we all known before and run with it and see how good you can do and and we'll pay you extra for every record you blah blah then it's no longer history nobody could ever look back and pop in a new formula and rewrite history of sheffield or or contest me like yeah now that 10 years later when we review those formulas we thought they were hot but they were not we have new statisticians coming in and you can rewrite history with it nobody can nobody can rewrite this it's pure it's no this was the greatest we'd ever seen. Jesus broke it, destroyed it, and ran with it.

And that's it. It's undisputable. That's what they wanted, and they achieved that. Now, to your point, what happens next year? What happens next year? Well, Jesus is 24, and he's already talking about, if you look at some of the numbers that he wants to hit, he's in contention to do it again.

It just depends what if Bob Matthews comes over. He's not going to do it in time for this Sheffield coming up, but Bob Matthews, you know, he's going to take the world record and run with it. Who's to say, like, I got a feeling you guys like the big men. So you're kind of rooting for Jesus on this one, but, but you know if someone else could come along and do what jesus did to the heavyweights in their respective

weight classes like like taylor did as a 74 in the uscpl 2021 someone else can do that it's kind of like god bless uh did you did you guys freeze on me for a second okay you're good no i thought you froze is tanner frozen uh kind of looks like it actually i'm sure he'll come back or is he just deep in thought i hit him some thought right there yeah you got him you got him in a trance over there okay i think he's back oh all right i can hear you guys talking about you. Yeah. But yeah, I was just saying how, um, uh, essentially every, every dog can have their day and it doesn't necessarily history can't be rewritten. So we'll see how it happens. I think it'll, it'll push for massive standout performances. Um, so yeah, I don't know, man, when it comes to this kind of thing if it's not head-to-head and they had good head-to-heads which I like like they had several weight classes whereas head-to-head

matchups which I also like so you can have a mixed bag but when it's not head-to-head and it's overall champion it's never going to be cut and dry and clean I'm telling you that right now right I'm telling you that right now okay we've got this little game we like to play with every guest that we have on the show. Overrated, underrated. And we've got a special set of hand-picked topics just for you. It's your job to decide if each one's overrated or underrated. You can elaborate on it as much or as little as you'd like. But the most important thing to remember is you can't ride the line.

You have to decide on each one. And some of this we maybe talked on a little bit. Some of it will be completely fresh. You feel pretty comfortable with our rules here? No riding the line? Coffee. I'm coffee. Okay, so overrated or underrated,

America's Got Talent. Ooh. I would say... Shit. Oh, I would say. I got it taken me back because I was on America's Got Talent. Good research on you fellas, by the way. You know what? I'll say underrated.

I think at one point it was overrated, but now it's underrated. What was the experience like? I mean, was it fun? Was there anything bad about it? Dude, you want to talk about anxiety? I walked out on stage and got just, like, I remember one of the TV producers, like Howard Stern is out there.

Howie Mandel, and I don't know if you've seen him like they will roast you you know honey clune was there um freaking uh who else was out there it was the wildest nick cannon i met nick cannon and they put me in the lineup it's like this is a wild story man i'm not even american i was a ringer they brought me in because what i did on cannon's got talent slid in. Slid in my DMs. This is how this happens. And said, we want to bring you in. Because when NBC drops a million dollars in a weekend for the New Jersey auditions, and the TV producers bring everyone in, when NBC goes to TV production company,

NBC is a broadcaster, TV tv production companies whoever the hell they are when they go to them what did you get us what what did we get from that episode you can't tell them yeah we didn't have very good acts you know jersey was a bit of a flop they're like no we dropped a million dollars you're gonna stack the deck and make sure so they'll bring in like ringers i was a ringer and they knew exactly what i was gonna do and there was like five of us that were ringers for sure they got me and then if you happen to find good talent amazing and then you could roll with them so i knew i wasn't gonna move forward because i wasn't they i remember if there's a massive lineup and they show the lineup, they implanted me in the lineup

and Nick Cannon, they're like, what the fuck? Those producers just walked up and popped this guy in the middle of the line. He hasn't been here all day. These people have been there all day. Then Nick Cannon walks up and is like, Hey dude, can I talk to you? And the cameras are like, yeah, let's talk to him. And people are like, what the fuck? This guy, what is he an actor? They just planted him in there nick cannon walked up and pulled him out and they started talking i'm lifting kids up squatting him nick cannon is doing it the same and it's like it's rally tv but it's not reality tv but at the same time before i went on to the platform to go the one of the tv producers told me you know you're

not moving forward you're canadian i got advice for you because this could go either way for you and they don't care because you're not coming back they're like when they say something to you the judges it's howard stern howie mandel like they he's like you're here to be a strong man don't try to be funny they will if you say a joke and it flops they will fucking roast you you will become a you will go viral you will if people remember you they're they're i'm like i don't want to hear this shit right now it's good advice though like stay in stay in my lane but um yeah man it was like you want to talk about anxiety that place was packed and like the ratings were like five million or whatever people watch a lot it was crazy man these i've been in some crazy scenarios that was one of them um yeah that was more nerve-wracking

than day two with bill maher or bill uh casmar yeah cas okay uh overrated or underrated the sheffield um i gotta say well first off if you say the sheffield people are gonna get upset um i think i think honestly um i think peep i think i'm gonna say underrated because if you were there live and only 2,000 people were, holy freaking smokes. The stream was not like live and it's going to be next year, but on in real time, they were working things out on the stream, right? By the time deadlifts roll around, everything's lovely um when if you were there i've never felt that before in my life i've never felt like it was like like like 2 000 they were drinking and 2 000 people in this amphitheater standing up chanting like and my the music was

like and they're chanting and i could feel it in my chest and i was like and everyone's standing and chanting and it was like and then if the refs got if they got a call they didn't like it it was like like in real sports they blew a bad call like they wouldn't hockey football whatever they'd be yelling at the refs or whatever it was it was the wildest man i say underrated and um and it's fucking wait till next year man because it's underrated because you don't even know what's coming up next too it's gonna be wild so uh yeah next year is gonna be like 2.0 is sheffield is that sbd's headquarters where they're at or uh close to it yes okay that's right is there any chance that and maybe that's. That's right. Is there any chance that, and maybe that's, maybe this isn't better.

Is there any chance that they would take that event? Obviously it wouldn't be called the Sheffield in that point, but could you ever see it being somewhere else? You know, if they threw it in Las Vegas, I mean, could that ever happen? Here's what I'll tell you. First off, I could definitely foresee them outgrowing the venue they're in for 2 000 people they're right there already so i could see that them outgrowing that venue and moving to like a freaking much bigger and this thing could get much much bigger real

quick gentlemen so that can definitely happen can it actually actually leave Sheffield? You never say never. I honestly, even though it's called Sheffield, never say never who the flip knows. Here's another thing. Let me throw this out there. Who's to say as years go by, like this is extremely profitable. Just like the Arnold classic. Why can't we have two? Why can't we have one in North America? It doesn't have to be Sheffield. Sheffield doesn't have to go away, you know, or maybe Sheffield moves out to North America. Who knows? But like, yeah, you can, you can be fluid with, you can move around with this thing a little bit or you can have two events a

year. You're going to have, you know, a fricking series of events, who knows. Right. So, and, and, and maybe just like the grand slams and tennis Wimbledon might be still Wimbledon and always special, but you have other events throughout the year as well and it moves so there's a lot of possibilities i mean who knows where they're going to be spd is very healthy and um and they could do a lot overrated or underrated six packs

oh you got me here dog i'm gonna say overrated okay powerlifting taught me that yeah hey come on man so hey can i say some so so so's booze and chicken wings and pizza. All right. They're pretty fucking dope too. Yeah. Yeah. So overrated, man. All right. That's fair.

Okay. Last one. Usually the last one's worth all the marbles. That's traditionally how, how we frame this. And, uh, so we're, we're a lifting podcast. We say we're the lifting podcast about nothing. You know, we, we know a little bit about powerlifting, a little bit about Strongman. We don't necessarily know a lot about anything.

Your podcast is kind of the IPF powerlifting podcast. You're the commentator for the big IPF meets. You get the guests on. You have all the people. I'm going to ask you about another power lifting podcast here on overrated underrated not either of ours so overrated underrated two white lights podcast i haven't heard them in a hot minute but uh i mean i'll say underrated then okay i haven't i haven't heard them in a hot minute so i can't't, I can't tell, but, um, yeah, I would say underrated because they are heavily.

So I am not just the IPF podcast because I have all the CPL fellas and like, and, and untested, uh, you know, but like, you're still like the voice. I say that because they're kind of, you know, a lot of times they're like the voice of a lot of these USAPL lifters. And I, you know, yeah, I'm not pigeonholing you by that when i say that either yeah no no i know but that's why i would say underrated because it is like just if you're the voice of the usapl then it'll be it's stuck inside like one nation right your your your major market is going to be one nation as opposed to like we were saying earlier where it's like

there's a huge market out there right um but they do more than just us apl as well but i do know what you mean where their focus is as opposed to um yeah or maybe it's just how people view you you know what i mean like where sometimes you're like no man we do more than that yeah no that's true so you did say underrated though underrated okay uh good news it looks like you passed overrated underrated. I passed. Oh, shit. So congrats on that. All of them.

And we are now allowed to air the episode, too. So there was a lot riding on the line there. Nice. Okay. Wow. Good, good. Yeah. A couple of closing things I wanted to talk about.

One thing, I'm going to read this podcast review of king of the lifts and i read this uh you can comment if you want but i read it mostly for our listeners because this is so relevant to our podcast and comments we get so i wanted to read this this is not a review of the massonomics podcast this is the king of lift lift podcast but you could be interchangeable from what we've heard before so please provide time stamps for when the interview with the guest starts i don't have two hours to listen i just want to hear the interview and have to randomly fast forward through the first five to thirty minutes that could be a review of the massonomics podcast is why that's funny so time stamps are so hard man you don't realize like how realize how hard it is to double back.

Some of these podcasts are, like you said, two hours. It'd be three hours, man. I've had podcasts that are like three and a half hours. I had to go through. Sometimes I do like three podcasts a week. Sometimes when I'm rocking and rolling, if Sheffield's done or IPF Worlds just happened, you know how hard it is to freaking time stamp all of those, all the key key topics we refuse to do it we won't bend to that yeah we have a strict rule of no time stamps and if people ask for them just the

response is no time stamps you don't tell them anything no time stamps god bless if somebody you know um for a little while there i shit you not somebody was actually time stamp like a just somebody who listened was time stamping andamping and putting in the comments. And I'm like, holy shit, thank you. This was years ago. God knows what happened to him. But yeah, time-stamps are so hard, man. I don't got time for that.

Who's got time for that? And here's my point. So sometimes people say, because they're not a listener. Maybe someone's not a listener. They're not an avid listener of King of the Lifts or Masonomics. And a guest comes on, and it's what gets them in the door and they listen for the first time and they just want to hear the interview of the guest and my thing is always this is our podcast like um it's okay if you don't like it that's totally okay you know a

lot of people aren't going to like it we don't expect everyone to it we don't cater it to everyone it's okay to not like it but like if you're coming to listen to our podcast, yeah, you're going to hear us talk. And if you find out you don't like that, don't come at it. Like, if you only came to our podcast to listen to John Hack, just go follow John Hack and just, like, listen to John. You know, I'm like. He can cut us out of the equation.

You don't have to come for it. They were saying like that. See, there's the thing. With the King List podcast, I just start with the guest and finish with the guest. So it's only the guest all the way through. So if you're looking for a timestamp, you're not even asking me when the guest comes in. You're asking me to talk about. You're're asking time stamp every fucking thing we've said it'd be like in here in here we talk about ipf worlds and here we talk about you know how hard that would be like every topic for three hours i don't even know how many topics we talked

about and here's where i talk about like that's crazy to me it's like no man they're doing time stamps that's crazy yeah and then uh so you you no man, they're doing timestamps. That's crazy. Yeah. And then, uh, so you, you talked about the lineage of king of the lifts, like, uh,

in reference to Instagram and how you, there was a squat bench deadlift, uh, king of the lifts was really the deadlift. Um, the one, one issue we would take up with that is we've always looked at, there is a king of the lift.

It is a deadlift, but it's a very specific deadlift it's the jefferson deadlift it's really the king of the lift so we just wanted to corner you on that it's true gentlemen no lies told you know what one time i actually shared one of those in the stories not on the page because i don't think that would be trouble but in the stories and um are you guys the ones who were just, like, I know this has been around, like this was always around, but the popularization on social media. I do think we are probably largely responsible for that, yes. Yeah, I mean, we had a serious conversation like, okay, this is a thing.

I think we could make it a big thing. Like, let's see what we can do and i mean we put some effort into it and and we got uh sean green and uh forsaken warrior steve johnson they both ended up pulling over 900 pounds and they did it just like because we kind of got him going on this thing and you know since then uh big mark uh deadliest lift he's broken that record he's pulled like 935 or whatever it is. But yeah, the Jefferson Deadlift definitely existed before us, and there's some obscure people out there doing it,

but I think we have to take credit for that because I just, I don't think that's like tooting our own horn when we shouldn't. I think that is one thing, oddly enough, that we can be responsible for is the Jefferson deadlift rise in popularity. You left your mark, man. For better or for worse. If there's a Jefferson deadlift world championships that emerges, you guys better be commentating. You guys, they better reach out to you.

I'd be pissed if they didn't. In terms of Jefferson deadlift, I've never done it before in my life. Gotta try it. Is it, is it way harder? It depends on the person. Some people, Jefferson deadlift more than they conventional or sumo deadlift. Oh, damn. But that's not the case for me.

You know, I, it's, uh, it's a harder lift for me. And I, you know, it's just scary. The idea of thinking like, I am going to try and max out in this lift. Like, do I want to get hurt doing this lift? Yeah. Yeah. And where did this come from?

The Jefferson deadlift. Do you guys know the history on this thing? I'm assuming. Uh, Thomas Jefferson invented it. It was back in 1776 during the creation of the United States of America. That's like, that's how it was decided.

There was battles decided. You challenged the general. It's all like in the Revolutionary War. Come down to my fort. Me and the fellas got some logs all done up and we're going to fucking check it. Actually, I think Google is popping up some of our falsely written articles.

Like if you Google for a while, if you Googled who created the Jefferson deadlift, it has like satire articles that we've created that like pop up at the top of Google where it takes like a quote. It's like from mass. Google is accrediting us as like knowing the history of this and it's our made up articles. Yeah. That's amazing. I can't believe

you guys are making up articles on it as well. Yes. Taking it to an extreme. There's levels to this. There's levels. There's a commitment to this. Yeah. So that is our really our only criticism criticism of the page is just not near enough jefferson deadlift content that's fair you know what that's

got to change it's got to change going forward yeah is there actually jefferson deadlift competitions yeah there's um occasionally they'll have it in strongman i've seen that before uh but there is like iawa or some weird it's like they've got like a hundred different recorded lifts that they actually judge and monitor on and this is one of them and um yeah but that like as far as does that actually exist i don't know there's like one in iowa once a year or something like that and do they call it something else too because Cause remember last week, David, wasn't he telling us, what did they call it?

People say straddle lift and, uh, you know, a lot of you'll see Kai green doing it and they'll, you know, bodybuilders will do it and they call it a Jefferson squat. A lot of times. Um, I don't prefer that though.

It is really the Jefferson deadlift. And you guys keep records, right? Yeah. We keep the official, official, unofficial top 10 all-time record for men we do need to add uh add the women's record some people have asked about that

we need to start keeping a top 10 for the women also and like when we started keeping the record are you know to top 10 if you did a little over 600 you'd get in there now i think 10th is like 725 and you know there's several in the 900s. That's like quality lifters who are doing this. What I want to see happen and I'm not going to spoil any, just like you couldn't spoil any

surprises, but in 2023 it might not be the Sheffield, but there may be some opportunities for some big time deadlifters out there to make some opportunities for some big time deadlifters out there to make some cash by, uh, breaking all time Jefferson deadlift records. And what, uh, uh, what I would really like to see is, uh, people like maybe Jamal or Dan Grigsby, or a few of these guys, uh, take a crack at some big Jefferson deadlift. So maybe we'll see what we can do to help make

sure that that happens at some point in time can you imagine a thousand pounds and i know there's no weight classes in this because there's no weight classes in the jungle that's right that's right i see i told you i listen i follow i'm paying attention i told you oh yeah that'd be amazing man i'd watch i watch for sure and i'm assuming you guys you guys do commentary Amazing, man. I'd watch. I'd watch for sure. And I'm assuming you guys, do you guys do commentary? So we've gotten, it comes up several times a year. We've always turned it down. We haven't done it.

Even when we're at the showdown in Kansas City on the spot, we kind of got asked to fill in and we didn't. And a couple of the bigger meets, we got asked in advance about doing it and we have turned it down. And it's just, I think we could do it. And you talk about being the lead and the different. I think we could both definitely add color. But I don't know what you do with two color guys, you know, in a show.

You're going to need a lead. Exactly. It'll turn into a podcast real quick. Exactly. And we're at least self-aware enough to recognize that. And that's kind of why we haven't done that. And we don't want to go, we don't want to make ourselves look like dipshits in front of, the people that are listening to these live streams are really get the sport. And our problem is we follow powerlifting pretty closely.

But if we go, I don't know the depths of this roster, and I'm not yet prepared to do enough homework to know the depths of this roster and be able to provide uh valuable valuable information on you know someone that's going to finish seventh overall because i don't you know i know who tell you about john hack and quite a bit about him but like when it comes to knowledge drops off right right so we haven't done it it's um it's actually refreshing in a world where everybody is a know-it-all and everybody just like to actually hear somebody like you know what i know what i'm good at right you know which isn't much in our case so it's kind of easy to know that really short list so it's like it's easy the list is so small it's a really short list. It's easy. The list is so small. Talking about Jefferson deadlifts, yeah, get us on.

That's right. We're on all day because you could make up the facts. We literally do that. Exactly. If someone tried to call you, you could be like Googling. I now have a new respect for people like, well, I read it on Google. It must be true.

I'm like, yeah, no. Some of our information is getting on there as the top leads on that. Yeah, use another search engine. But, yeah, we'll leave that to the professionals, you know, honestly. Like, we could pop in. If we could be, if you're, you're common, you know, you're at the, say we're at the Arnold every year and the two white light guys are commentating, they could pop us on for 15 minutes and we could provide a little something that would probably be fun and entertaining for 5, 10, 15 minutes. I think that's kind of our range and uh actual power lifting uh commentating like that yeah i mean it's a total it's a whole nother animal yeah

and like you said if if you wouldn't enjoy like if you got super into it you would you would you would dive all into it but if it's not if you're like you know it's just something people ask you because nowadays if you podcast people start commentating that wasn't the case back in the day when i first started in 2016 it was like super duper weird that i was like trying to do everything and now it's like i got a podcast i'm a power lifter it's just a natural thing you commentate it's like no man you know like i don't want you it's not my thing i know what i'm good at i'm doing it you know uh yeah i totally get that where else uh we we kind of talked about most of the stuff but just so everyone knows where

do people uh check you out on i mean you have your personal page as well i don't know if you want something you like sending people there too but we haven't talked about that but uh where would you send people that are listening if they're not already following you king of lifts my personal page man like i post whatever the shit it's like sometimes i could be a week post like three times another time like i might not post for a month it's literally like my personal and it might be like it could be anything man not even powerlifting related if you're listening this you're probably a powerlifting fan and it would be uh for sure king of the lifts is like the platform whether it's's Tik TOK, YouTube, Instagram. I don't know if people still do Facebook over there.

Facebook it obviously on every single audio platform, Spotify, we got full length videos, which is cool. King of lifts, man. It's just King of lifts, King of lifts, find King of lifts on whatever platform give us a listen and um and that's it and fellas we gotta do this again absolutely yeah a lot of fun let's keep it moving it's the powerlifting podcast crossover that uh nobody knew they needed but they're excited to hear it now boom but they got it they got the first taste of it awesome good we we appreciate it good stuff thanks a lot yeah

you bet man you bet you want me drop me a line i'm in we'll make it happen right on all right we'll see you later all right see ya see you buddy all right yeah you got got big six as cool beans didn't you he did he got the cool he didn't get six cool beans though he only gets two just like everyone else he's not special yeah not a six serving oh finally we got rid of that guy we We can talk shit about him now, huh? All right, now we can get the rest of the show going. Two hours and 23 minutes in. Should we jump right in?

It's time we dive right into this episode. I know a lot of people look forward to our after-interview antics, but maybe we'll keep it a little shorter. I'm not sure how much time the sports and books segment. Sports and books might have to get shut. You added a sports and books segment? People were asking for it in the Discord, and I thought, you know what? That should be a segment probably.

Yeah. We better hit on sports and books a little bit then. I put it in there. I'm hot on those topics right now. Yeah, sports and books. I'm kind of living the sports and books lifestyle as well right now. Okay. I just realized, you know what? I was all gung-ho and fired up for the scientific principles of strength training.

I went to the Arnold, and I took a week off of reading and knocked me off my habit. Never revisited it. I hopped back in last night, read about 30 pages. I'm on page, I i think like 180 right now so i'm getting through that sucker i should hopefully get that knocked out in the next week or two here good book too i could almost read that again at some point in time it is actually reading and i'm like i feel like just with what i've learned so far i could start over already and have a better perspective on how this works right right i right. I think that's true.

Yeah, I ordered Atlas Shrugged. Still hasn't shown up yet. I think that comes tomorrow. And I did order Meditations. You did? And there was some talk about Meditations on the Discord also and talking about additions and, like, translations of it. Yep, yep, because there are different versions of it. Right, and I did go with a translation that big jeff is talking about

you know although i have looked what's what's the cover look like it's red with like a that that red bird yeah that red that's the one that i got too from my limited research that was supposedly the best translation the the for what it's worth the what the negative amazon reviews say about it but you know you everything on amazon you can find that do you read the Do you like, I always like to see what the negatives are, you know, like, and then to be totally honest, this is a bit of a tangent. I do almost everything I can to not order stuff on Amazon. I'm, I'm kind of that guy, you know, I'm kind of the Amazon hipster in that. I don't ever use the review. Oh yeah. You always look at it. And I mean, the thing with all reviews is like, eh, for the most i mean the thing with all reviews is like

for the most part the five star reviews are oh awesome product great and then a lot the majority of the one star reviews are i ordered this and it shipped ripped like it has nothing to do with the actual product that's so then once you get through that then you start to get to real reviews then yeah see it was funny i didn't even know i didn't know amazon sold books it could be an emerging market for them yeah isn't that a funny thing like to you could someone could almost say i mean amazon sells everything but like some people definitely would wouldn't know that nowadays certain people be like, did you know Amazon actually has a lot of books on there? You'd be like, yeah. But you wouldn't know the difference because Amazon isn't about books. Amazon is about everything.

That's where you just buy everything. So I did buy that, but the negative critiques of that, people don't like it. They're butchering. Oh, really? That edition's butchering the true. But I think the trade-off is something that's readable and digestible. And I'm like, I'm more interested in the readable and digestible than getting it in its original.

Yeah, I don't speak 150 AD. Come on. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. So I think that that's... So I'm excited for that one. I'm probably, if Atlas Shrugged comes, I think if I'm able to read Atlas Shrugged, I'll know within the first, I feel like 20, 25 pages if I'm like,

am I going to be able to do this? Like, is it, do I think I can do this in any amount of time ever? Do meditations first because then we can talk about it. And it'll seriously take you two hours to read meditations. Well, what I'm going to do, this is what I've realized that I'm going to do, how I'm going to approach Atlas Shrugged is I don't want to be tied down. Oh, you don't want to be blocked your entire six months out to that? Right.

So you have some side books you're working on? Yeah. So I'm going to start Atlas Shrugged, but then I'm not going to be afraid to bring it. And like meditations, yeah, like that's one, especially if it's a shorter book like that. I can bring this in and be like, good, I got to check something off the list here, and I'm still tackling this behemoth.

And sports, he's him. He did it. They did it. I thought for a while the Celtics were gaining some steam, and I'm thinking this is how it's going to go. They'll be down the whole game and come around but uh man by the time that fourth quarter started it wasn't even a game anymore was it no game six was a rough night in our house though because they're all cheering for Miami okay I forgot I forgot we haven't talked about that yes that was quite the finish wasn't it that was a rare you know that was a rare that's when you watch so last second finish

it was almost like even like it didn't feel like it wasn't like a last second normal buzzer beater because it was such a like what just happened well that's the one when you watch you're like okay yeah that was too late like that yeah i think we're okay here yeah the replay so you're just like you're sort of in disbelief but you're like no we're good and they do the replay like damn really they yeah that went off it's clean it's done like i was almost like expecting them to replay it like when people were like taking their jerseys off and stuff i'm like so it's really over then there's nothing uh the reviews thing in the nba has gotten is just like out of control of all the you you know, I, I didn't realize all these play reviews that they do not talking about that

last second shot. I get that. But like just this reviewing the foul calls and stuff like that. I'm like, the fuck are you even reviewing here? Like what, like watching in slow mo, like how much the contact wasn't like quit doing that.

Don't review that. And in the NBA, especially you could find a fault. You could find a foul on every play. Couldn't you? It's so you, you watch it over and you're like, quit doing that. Don't review that stuff. And in the NBA especially, you could find a foul on every play, couldn't you? It's so, you watch it over and you're like, I don't, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't know. Of course there's contact. When are, when is there no contact? Like, so I get rid of that shit.

It bogs down the game. And they can almost never do it fast either. That is the problem. It'd be one thing if they could could knock those reviews out in seconds, but they most often go many, many minutes for them to figure it out. Review the red light buzzer beater stuff. Maybe even if you want to review something, review if someone's foot is on the line or not on the line

or if they're out of bounds or not out of bounds. But don't review foul calls because you can say any like even between sometimes you're like i don't know they called it a defensive foul if i really look at it was it an offensive foul maybe i don't know they're just smashing into each other it's in slow motion i guess you could say that the momentum was here this person wasn't here but like the game gets called in real time not in slow motion So that's where it all falls apart. Exactly. So game six was, we were a little bit shocked on that one.

Game seven, very anticlimactic. But the funniest thing I heard is afterwards, you know, because Jalen Brown kept saying, don't let us get one. Don't let us get two. And then I saw a meme after game seven and they're done. Because Jalen Brown is like, don't let us win game eight that really made me laugh i was like i still thinking that there's another game uh so now we've got the nuggets and the heat i would love to see the heat when i think they're going to get crushed though i think think that they're just going to be... They just went through just a ringer of a series

and Denver's just been sitting over here feeling good, right? And they're so... I think so much more talented, honestly. It's just not even... It's not comparable like the talent levels. Is the question, do they sweep them

or does Miami get a game or two off? I wouldn't be surprised if it's a sweep i i if i have to bet on something i that it'd be a sweep i hope miami wins i hope that the it goes to game seven and they win at the end it's always great to see uh one of the major sports the championship not be a blowout. Like that always feels anticlimactic. And I want to see an eight seed. You know, that's fun. It's like, how is this possible?

I don't know. I like Jimmy Butler, though, too. So I just would like to see him do well. He is good. I think in my limited basketball knowledge that Denver is going to make quick work of this though. Yeah, it is.

Any other sports besides we've been basketball heavy on sports and books, any other sports stuff going on? You know, I went and played the Sioux Falls equivalent of top golf the other day. That's, is it like a great shots is what they call it here. Okay. Okay.

Sure. Same thing though. But yeah, I mean, that was fun, I guess. The extent of my sporting any uh balls go astray or did the nets pretty well cover things there that's cover everything pretty damn

well there they got those things up high it is it was dark though it was at nighttime so did you send the snap or was it uh on did you post it on the discord of where you had a sign yes yes they do actually have a sign that says like golfers are responsible for their balls it's like all right they're getting out in front of that one here there's no mystery about who's responsible i can respect them i think i could uh you know give those people my money and feel okay you know save with it not be a moral compromise i don't know i'm just looking around like well on both sides of you I think it's just empty field, so there's nothing there. I guess if you teed up sideways and hit someone.

80-foot tall nets or something. Yeah, oh, they're huge. And I don't know. It was dark, and you can send a drive off pretty hard. So, like, I don't know. Maybe that drive got over the net, but if it did, it's up so high. It's just coming down an empty field. There's nothing out there for it to hit.

So, yeah, I guess the real problem would be if somehow you teed up sideways and swung at someone but you're being pretty intentional with it then yeah so that's that's a good sports update then too yeah uh yeah i think that's all the sports in my life right now okay okay and we so we covered sports and books i can we can cross that one off the list. One of the fastest, newest segments on the podcast. Yeah. I can save my other thing I had for next week. I can too. Okay.

We're going late. Yeah. So let's bring this one. I got a 6 a.m. run to get to. Oh, yeah. Damn. Not that many hours. Let's bring this one in for a landing,

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Exactly. Also, I wanted to let you guys in on a little something else. Did I talk about the strength code clips last week? No. The weight clips? No, we have not talked about those, actually. Oh, okay. I didn't know if we were allowed to talk about those.

Well, no, just about that I have a set of the silver Strength Co. weight clips. No, I didn't know if we were allowed to talk about those. Yeah, so head over to the Strength Co. You know, after everything that happened, I just didn't know if we were allowed to talk about those. There's a lot of mystery around these clips of whether or not we can talk about them. And to be clear, we're talking about social media clips, right? I don't know what we're talking about anymore. I've been clueless for about the last two hours and 35 minutes.

Are we recording yet? You're talking about the Strength Co. collars, barbell collars. Yeah, collars. Yeah, that's my problem. I'm using the wrong word here. Is that, is that a clip? Do you call that a clip?

I know what you say when you say clip. I think people say that, but I do people say clip Thor. Am I just making that up right now? I don't know. I always felt like we said clips in the gym. It's just like when I think clip, I especially think it's those metal pinch,

little pinch ones that are like kind spring-loaded in a way. We do not and have never had those at Massimo's gym. Oh, God. Those things were so bad. That's one of the perks of not having a shitty gym. Actually, even the gym I go to with their substandard stuff doesn't have those. Isn't that what we had at the Y?

Oh, yeah, that's all they had. And on top of that, they probably had, what did they have? Let's see. Two sets. Well's see was there three spots where you could squat two spots where you could bench and then like a spot where you could deadlift so like a potential five total clips there was like six potential areas to use barbells but there's only five sets of clips so it's like oh yeah there's just five it was not probably an odd number of clips it was all the time you'd be like um why is it just one there's four clips here that are being used and there's one here where's the rest oh look in the bucket with all this you know they'd have the bucket with just the shit it's like oh there's some straps in there a dip belt and a clip and like oh it's

probably in there somewhere like no it never was they never was. They were just gone. Yeah. So the clips or the collars, the Strength Co collars, I've got a set of those. If you haven't checked those out, check out the Strength Co collars. That's kind of the new Strength Co thing I've had and been using at the gym. Pretty cool. You don't have to slide them on from the barbell. They're really unique. Would you say they clip on?

They clip on. So they are a clip, right? But they're still a collar. Clips, collars. What does everyone market it as? It's a collar. I think collar is what everyone markets. Okay. Which is also funny, though, because the other part of the barbell is the collar.

See, that's what I'm thinking about in my head. I'm like, that is the collar of the barbell. So it's a collar on the collar? That's what is so funny about the barbell, is that you have a part of the barbell that's called the collar of the barbell so it's a collar on the collar that's what is so funny about the barbell is that you have a part of the barbell that's called the collar and then you also buy a device called a collar to hold plates against the collar yeah right right maybe clip is better i'm just as a little experiment here i went to rogue and i typed in collars and what you would expect comes up i typed in clips and oh collars come up okay and actually they have they know they have those springy ones that

we said suck so bad yeah and they call them the rogue spring collars what do those cost a buck a piece uh 15 for the set yep that's too. Oh, they have a USA version for $18. But yeah, every one of these looks like it's called a collar. Okay. So check out the Strength Co. collars and or clips, whichever one you want to check out. And then also, of course, their Made in America plates. They've actually become, over time,

they have become the go-to plates of Mastinomics Gym. I don't know if I've ever mentioned that before. yeah okay probably have mentioned it but check out the strength co at what's the website is it the strength.co that sounds correct check them out very affordable shipping on their plates too maybe the most affordable in the game doesn't get much more affordable than affordable i like to think that they are changing the game with their shipping. That's true. Okay, and this episode is also brought to you by Swiss Link. In 1995, Maurice Bigmo Huffman founded Swiss Link with the mission to bring authentic Swiss Army goods to the United States

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Have we gone? Have we gone? We've never gone three hours, have we? I think we've done three. Really? I think even maybe episode 300, we went pretty wild, I think. Really?

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. One of the historians here will find us and let us know here this next week. Well, just in the sake of closure i better look quick how do you find the i'm just typing in on our website just like longest podcast ever no just what episode 300 how long that was oh just checking that one yeah oh yeah that one three hours and one minute yep yeah i think we hit really

damn we thought yeah yeah we were getting close to the end that does sound Yeah, we were getting close to the end. That does sound right now. We were getting close to the end. I do remember I was trying to extend it out, but I didn't know if it was to hit three hours or two hours and 45 or what. I could easily do 19 more minutes. Oh, my God. Just these. We have two things in here.

One's a note I have and one's a note you have. I mean, the one note I have is like a five-minute story, but I could make that a half hour if you want me to that's uh mine is so menial and um just should almost not even be brought up so that makes a perfect like 30 minute podcast uh mathomics podcast topic now that I say that out loud that's probably the whole opening part of next week's episode uh this topic I have written is going to be great if we talk about it next week's episode. This topic I have written is going to be great if we talk about it next week. I think you'll really enjoy it and you'll have some good opinions on this one and some good insight too. So I think people can really

look forward to this one. I love opinions and insight. I'll give a teaser for next week. The title of this topic is going to be Unsubscribing. Well, of this topic is going to be unsubscribing. Well, okay, if you get to give teasers, I also want to give a teaser. This one, you can probably use your imagination to get to the conclusion of what this involves, but the topic is called cracks. I don't know what that is about, honestly. I don't know what that...

It's like a Jeopard it's like a jeopardy category cracks and then we're just going to talk about different types of cracks every every answer ends in r-a-c-k-s all right all right should we bring her on home johnny might as well bring it on home johnny uh tommy where do they find you at you can find me at tomahawk underscore D you can follow me at Tanner underscore Baird but just please make sure to follow massonomics at massonomics and subscribe to our YouTube channel damn it do it We'll see you next time.