Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 398: Is Brian Coming Back?

Episode Date: November 20, 2023

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Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! and everything. Massonomics. Welcome everyone to the Lifting Podcast about nothing, formerly the world's strongest podcast recorded from the heartland, the dead center of the Midwest, South Dakota. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. We've got a lot of exciting stuff to go through today, namely a Q&A. So we took questions via our Instagram story. We've got a whole mess of questions in there to go through.

And we're going to, you know what, we didn't pre-screen any of them. We're going to do our best to answer them all. We'll do it live. F it, we'll do it live if it will do it live and first as we're doing it live i want to tell you live about juggernaut ai it's the smartest program for you you get in there on juggernaut you tell the system all about yourself and your goals you tell the system uh gender age experience, recovery, and much more. And then on their proprietary algorithms, they'll start to work towards building the smartest program for you.

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So confidence is not super high at the moment, but maybe we just got to grease the gears a little bit. Yeah, maybe it's just getting, the internet's just getting warmed up. It's getting ready to take all that bandwidth from western northeast South Dakota. All right. Well, I'm going to read us a little ad from our good friends at Barefoot Shoes. And the important announcement is that the Ursanomics is now shipping. The Ursanomics is a genetic splicing of suede and canvas, something never thought possible

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throw in your Ersonomics, use code mass, and you're going to get the wraps for free. Thank you. Barefoot shoes. There might even be less than 50. There might be 40 or 30 or 25 pairs left at this point i don't think there's much yeah less than 50 it's kind of all the same to me tanner that's

true less than 50 that could mean one there could be one pair of shoes any number between zero and 50 yes okay let's just jump right into some questions we got quite a few i gotta say before we start though that um last time we did this we had one of our better questions to ever come out of the massonomics q a which was the uh best um uh best best lift to gauge strength that question was born of born from the last massonomics q a so I have very high expectations for this Q&A that we're going to get at least five game-changing questions for us. Yeah, what's going to evolve from this one? That's the question. I hope the questioneers brought their A game

because my expectations are high. Well, that best gauge of strength kind of changed the lifting community as far as we're concerned. It changed the game, and we don't use that term lightly no okay question one from big colton this week will the strongman portion of the lift hard live easy classic 2 have a live stream i don't think we can definitively say the answer to that is yes but the live stream stuff is in the works. And I guess I would say the strongman will be no different than the powerlifting. As long as the powerlifting has a live... Well, we know there will be a live stream to some extent.

We had a bare minimum of a live stream last year, and I'm pretty confident we're at least going to have that again. But I guess the question would more so be, is live stream going to be more significant and better than what what we had last year so yes shortest answer is yes there will be a live stream longer answers we just don't know what that will consist of all in 2024 but we do have help from the crew big mini is stepping up and uh mini action jesus is stepping up and taking on some live stream responsibilities this year. So I'm feeling like it's going to be better than what we had in 2023.

I feel like that'll be one area that's improved. Yeah, he's going to be the production team. So we've got big things coming. Big Mini is a big Twitch streamer. So we brought in, we know we've got a guy. We've got a guy for that. We brought in a guy, we've got an expert.

Uh, let's see. Big Bryce wants to know, are you working hard or hardly working? Did you see, did you see that? I ran into him. Oh,

we get, he has more. Bryce has more questions here. So two parter. All right. Um, yeah, right now I feel like I'm working pretty hard at the moment.

I've been battling Wi-Fi issues. Don't call me Keith, though. Okay. This is from Big Moto. He said, hopefully, okay, I like this. Hopefully asking this early enough. Yes, you did. Over or over, not over or under.

It's not an over or under question. He said, what's the over or under on number of questions involving Brian in this questionnaire? What do you think the number is? Four and a half. If that's the number, I'm going to take the over. Damn it. Okay, maybe I need to say like eight and a half then.

Yeah, okay. Eight and a half then yeah okay eight and a half i might i think that's a better number that one makes me really think that i'm not sure uh we all know who brian of course um i think maybe we'll fall just i'll take under eight and a half i guess but i'm not confident we'll keep track here's that's one technically yes that is one okay so then that means i have to take the over so okay here we go okay i don't know i think that's a good number okay well here we go next question will brian be invited to the arnold as a special guest that's two brian questions uh will he be invited as a special guest no no we really don't invite many people much of anyone as special guests to be fair no one no one really gets invited to the arnold you just go

right so or maybe it's this everyone is invited to the arnold as a special guest yeah we we here's your fault if you didn't this, maybe that's what's been holding some people back. You are all formally invited to the Arnold as our special guests. Please come to our booth. We want to clear the air. There's no formal invitation that we send in the mail. Everyone is actually invited. You don't have to wait, but we will extend the invitation on air right now that yes, everyone is just so you know um and according according to the arnold marketing team that we get update emails from every single week hotel bookings are up over 200 right now whether that is to be whether that is to be believed or not is up to you but according to their emails hotel bookings are up over 200 from last year at this time the arnold uh pr people or whatever those are they're uh they're the boy that cried wolf to me i don't believe anything they say i think they just make shit up and this year this is a little inside baseball here so everyone pay attention this is a new

is this year the first year of the new management company or was last year because remember the people that yeah this is new i think it's new this year maybe see i cannot remember who's last year this year, maybe. See, I cannot remember if it was last year or this year. But either way, there's been a, the promoter, the people running the whole thing, there was a shakeup in the last year or this year. Yeah. And whether it was last year or it was their first year and they were playing it cool, this year they are hyping it up to the promoters so hard, to all of us exhibitors.

They are basically saying that tickets are selling faster than they ever have. The crowd is bigger than it ever has. Ever, bigger than ever. Yes, they're billing this as a record Arnold, so it'll be very curious to see how those words hold up. I don't buy it as bigger than ever. I buy it as maybe bigger than last year, bigger than the year before that. I don't buy it as... Yes, I would buy, I would believe, biggest bigger than last year, bigger than the year before that. I don't buy it as.

Yes, I would buy. I would buy. Believe it. I would believe biggest post COVID. But right here, 2019 was absolutely insane. Yes. Okay. Two Brian questions.

Next question from big brand. Can there be a moment of silence for Brian tonight? We all miss it. Three. Yes. Just give it Brian a brief moment of silence gone, but not forgotten. Yeah, we felt that. We felt that. That one hit home.

Almost utterly unrelated, but that just made me think of something right there i went to my kindergarten daughter's uh veterans day oh yeah thing you know i've been to many of these things i feel like we get we get like a yearly update on this every year it seems like you're involved in a program of some kind only one thing i uh oh actually mr you invited me to come speak at his oh yeah but i could i was already committed to cut to uh you know the kindergarten kindergarten life uh kindergarten one and i figured my sometimes i gotta put my kids over my friends over your alma mater yeah yes yes but just the one note was uh i don't you can be completely unpatriotic. I'm not like robustly, deeply, like in my daily life, I don't think about being patriotic all that often.

You know, things cross my mind, and I have that feeling about certain things and stuff. But I tell you what, when you have a school gymnasium filled with several hundred grade schoolers and they sing uh uh uh what's uh god bless the usa is that the one where it's like uh uh is that the song that they sing god am i got that right i mean that could have been the song they sang um i was just looking up the lyrics and make sure i don't have that wrong yeah yeah yeah that's the one and when they're they have them trained to like literally scream it at the top of their lungs like in a way that still sounds good but they are it was like

vibrating the building almost. I'm like, oh, that makes you feel something, or else you don't have, like, a heart or something. You know, or maybe you just are a terrorist or something like that. But otherwise, like. That is really cool. I think even if you were a Canadian and you were there. Like, damn, I've got to be a part of this team. You'd be like, this seems all right.

That was something, though, I got to be a part of this team. You'd be like, this seems all right. That was something, though, I have to admit. Do many of these programs you go to, do all of them have a singing component? Yes, it's always almost based around singing. They just hit it better this year? Yeah, they crushed it this year. And actually, part of it is my daughter's going to a bigger grade school than my son went to when he was in grade school. So a bigger, bigger, more students, gymnasium. Yeah.

So more, more belting it out. And man, they really had them loud as shit. That's cool. Sounded pretty good. Okay. Next question. That's, this will be a show of many asides. Probably it's a Q and a episode.

That's how Q and A's do it. Yeah. Leads lead to asides. So we're at BrianCountsAt3. I believe so. Who's running the official ticker? Brian Count 2024-3. Mordecai, I do have something to mention about Brian actually here later that's pretty relevant.

I'm not going to count that mention right now. We'll count it later. This is from big garrett he said will either of you be lifting at in the lift hard live easy classic in 2024 oh we actually haven't talked about this recently um we haven't talked about it probably since we pretty much wrapped up 2023 no we haven't um have you made a formal decision yet tanner i wouldn't not haven't. Have you made a formal decision yet, Tanner? I wouldn't, not going to say that I've made a formal decision yet because I haven't, so I'm not going to say it, but I'm not going to be a liar on air. Yeah. Now I'm leaning towards, yes, I will try to compete in the powerlifting meet. You know, granted, I have to have a few

things line up for that to work out i'm not i don't have to go and have the best performance of my life in fact if i do it i know because of all the other stressors it will not be the best performance of my life but i have to be physically able enough to perform all the lifts to you know i don't want to do i don't want to do i don't want to do token like i actually i want to be able to go out there and do a hard lift. Even if that weight is 50 pounds lower than what I would like it to be. I'm okay with that. Yeah.

As long as I'm physically in a position where I know I can at least go out and attempt like a 100% lift on three lifts. Yeah. I was totally, I, I'm glad this came up because when we talked, we talked for quite a while today, I was going to discuss this with you and I completely forgot. I'm kind of in the same camp too, without, without talking about this.

That was sort of where I was at too, is I, if you thought we were both capable of the day running smoothly, which I think it can without us like monitoring every single thing, it seemed to, right. For the most part, sort itself out last year. So if you felt like it was a possibility,

then that kind of made me feel like then. I think it's pretty possible. I think, you know, there again, that's why I say we don't get to probably go in it with the mindset of someone else that is like, all right, it's meat day. I'm blocking everything else out. Like tell us, yeah, people are going to run up and be like, oh, little situation here a little situation there and like we will be pulled in several directions but

i think it would be reasonable enough that we could still get you know i mean get in on the action we know we could get through warm-ups and get our attempts in and stuff it just wouldn't be quite the same experience as when you're like no i'm dedicated for that right yeah the day is yeah i'm here to crush this shit yeah but that might it would be so i yeah i'm still a firm believer it would be so much fun i would hate to i know just miss out on it too yep uh it's i'm in the same camp so yeah i'd say it's a strong possibility for me as well there's always a difference even if you're running the meat, there's, there's, there's those that do the meat and, and then there's those that don't do the meat. And there's a difference in, uh, there's just a, there's just a built in difference. If you are, uh, it's the

Teddy Roosevelt quote, I still believe where it's like, uh,'s like the man inside the arena, where if you are in the group, regardless of how you perform, even if you have a horseshit day, if you are one of the men or women in the arena, there is a different feeling at the end of the day than if you are a bystander. Totally. And if you've ever competed, you know that. Right.

And if you've ever competed, you know that. Right. Big Mad Cow says, are you guys larger in person or same size as always? Well, classic. It depends on if maybe the last time you've seen us or if you've ever seen us in person. If you've never seen us in person, then I guess we're larger in person. If you have seen us, we're about the same size as the last time yeah yeah yeah that's true it hasn't changed very much i mean i'm physically a bit smaller than when i've

been bad no one knows that no yeah right right i'm as big as ever big as ever keith had a did have a good question though who's going to record everything if you're lifting though i don't know that you could sell the camera i don't know you can hold a camera when you're warming up or anything that's true well and it's and there's at least three there's three flights right so i mean two 60 two-thirds of the flights you won't i mean once i get my first attempt in for each lift the rest is just bonuses right yeah right right like i gotta scratch my second and third. I have to film these other guys lifting. Big Murph said GoPro. There you go. Okay, Big Jake the Snake.

He said, if you were to trade lives for one day with a host of the sister podcast, Unpaid and Underrated, would you trade lives with Keith or Joey? Man. Let me see. do you have an immediate answer i don't have an immediate answer here here's what i'm doing in this situation i'm going to trade lives with keith and i'm going to go down to his basement gym and uh i'm going to snag his pair of 85 Yorks, one of his nine-pound York dumbbells, and just for the hell of it, I'm going to bring a pair or two of his deep-dish York plates. Might as well. I'm going to send them all to my home address

here in western northeast South Dakota, and then the next day we trade places, and I assume, obviously, people don't have recollection of what happens in this area. No, he wasn't there. Why would he know? No, right. So he'll wake up and not know where they're at,

and then I'll just stuff those away when he comes here for the Lift Hardly Busy Classic so he's not privy to it. But that's what I... I would trade with Keith, and that's why I would do it. So that's a really good way to think about it. Where my brain was going right away was like, do I want to go south of the border to our friends in Canada?

Do I want to be a Canadian for a day or not? Yeah, would you want to feel what it's like to be Canadian for a day? That's actually kind of an interesting thought too. And like, do I really want to do that though? That sounds kind of scary. And so by that logic, I think I'd prefer to stay American for the day. So I think I'd be Keith. Okay. That's, I'm not ready to stay american for the day so i think i think i'd be keith okay that's i'm not ready to be very different reasons but i don't think either of us arrived

at a wrong answer big toby said stop playing coy who is repeatonomics that is a mystery i wish we knew yeah i I can guarantee that it's not either one of us. I don't think anyone suspects us of it anymore, do they? I don't think so, but we are not repeatonomics. I will go on record of that, that definitively we are not repeatonomics, neither nor. No, or any of those other accounts for that matter that's we do not run nor have we run i we i guess i also run i am behind massonomics gym account if anyone doesn't

know that and the tanner barrett account as well yes i am behind that also but none of the other never have we ever had another uh parody massonomics account that would be absolute insanity oh another level that i just couldn't even fathom undertaking no way uh i'm really thirsty tanner oh let me just reach off camera into my drink spotter here. Oh, yeah. Is that cherry again? Yep. Yeah, it almost got me jealous. It just looks so special today for some reason.

I don't know what it is about it, but it looks real clean, doesn't it? That can really pops for some reason. I don't know what it is. It's just something. You can probably almost sense it through the audio only listeners. They can probably tell something's going on here. Something's going on over there. Quite an interesting can. Can't quite put my finger on it, but something is going on.

Yeah, whatever it is, I quite put my finger on it, but something is going on. Yeah, whatever it is, I can put my finger on it. That is a tasty beverage. This does remind me, this beverage also reminds me Black Friday is coming up. This episode comes out on Monday the

what, 20th? And Thursday the 23rd is Thanksgiving. But nobody cares about Thanksgiving. Everyone cares about Black Friday and the Massanomics Black Friday Mega Event. Everyone's favorite day of the year. They've had their peel-away calendars marked just for this day. Yes, and they all want to know about our one two three four five six seven eight nine items that we are going to be launching for this black friday extravaganza nine

new items new new um one or two of those are actually return items maybe just kind of just one thing in its exact total package is a return item nothing else is anything specifically that we've ever had before i think that's safe to say yes i had to look at the list again here but yeah and i don't think we're going to i don't think we're going to spill the beans today on much of anything no we're not going to spill the beans of on much of anything that's coming but i do think there's going to be we're going to run, as a part of the sale, you know, the Black Friday sale over that Black Friday, every order that comes in while supplies last will be getting a free new koozie.

So that's one thing we could tell people. Should we just talk about this koozie? We could preview this free koozie. Oh, that there koozie that you're holding in your hand? I suppose, yeah. Oh, that there koozie that you're holding in your hand? Yeah, the free Lift Hard Live Easy koozie that will be going with every order. So don't miss out on that. That's what we've been alluding to for the last five minutes. But then the other stuff, if you could pick one thing on there,

what's the one item on the list that you're the most excited about without spilling the beans on what it is? Boy. A certain upper body item in this list. God, there's actually a couple upper body items in this list I'm very excited about. What would be the tiebreaker for me would be seeing them in person. That might make me have more of a favorite over the other, but there's a couple in there that I'm very excited for right now yeah there's a new tea that i'm really excited for yes say that yes that was in

my my my top list and then there's an uh i'll just say there's an item with buttons on it that i'm very excited about a very is it very you know a very this is, we've got two items in here that are way off the grid from anything we've had before. And then a couple more that are somewhat off the grid from anything we've had before. So some really new stuff that will be applicable for a wider range of people than what we've had in the past too. yeah i'm excited for it it's gonna be good got a lot of we got a lot of pictures we got to take uh we do have to get a lot of two days this week yeah in person yeah you're coming to western northeast south dakota we've got a special other thing going on this week uh mass dynamics related we're not going to talk about it yet but you'll

maybe guys will get we'll get some more details on that one next week yeah this week we're working on a special massonomics project that should be kind of should be kind of fun okay from big uh big date big one of the davids was brian that's number four was brian an elaborate elaborate made up account so tomm, unless you're about ready to spill the beans to me that you were Brian the whole time. No, I'm not. But I was just thinking how elaborate of a, of a scheme that would be if that was actually something we were doing. You couldn't, you couldn't, uh, you couldn't plan that. And I don't think so because if you came off more offensive, people would just Instagram

would just ban your comments or people would ignore you if you were more offensive people would just instagram would just either ban your commentary people would ignore you if you were more offensive it was just the right level of of uh thinking you're above this right that really resonated with people right that man has a gift yeah he does got a talent he does only brian that's our brian right that's our Brian. There he goes. Okay, this is from Big Trent. He said FMK because there's always got to be an FMK in the Q&A, right? That's right. Not to be confused with QAnon. This is the Q&A.

A lot of similar letters. Not the same thing, though. FMK. This is a good one, though. I don't fmk unless it's good that's my that's my new policy i'll only read fmk uh q a questions if they're worthy otherwise that is a good policy okay fmk chicken bake costco assumed nachos navidad taco john's assumed circus wings circus explicit so fmk costco chicken bake taco john's nachos navidad or circus double dipped wings i'm just adding the double dipped because it's a damn oh man um

because it's a podcast. Oh, man. You give your answer. I think I know my answer. Or do you want me to answer? Well, I know for me I'm going to kill the Nachos Navidad. I'm going to kill the Nachos Navidad. Definitely killing Nachos Navidad. Although it is a Mastodonics cult classic,

literally as far as eating, it can go away. Yeah, it's got nothing on these other two items these other two items are so much more hearty than that these are S tier this is really where I'm struggling I think if I'm going to go long term with something I think long term I'm going to go circus wings

I think I'm going to marry circus wings I think I'd like to build the long term relationship with circus wings I'll fuck the chicken pig I think I've got the same answer that's the same to build the long-term relationship with circus wings i'll uh i'll fuck the chicken bake i think i've got the same answer that's the same that's i i mean i my brain immediately goes to you kill the nachos navidad and then it's between the other two i don't i don't know maybe there's not a wrong answer between those two um also i've still never actually eaten a chicken bake. Oh, so there is that.

That is really funny. Actually. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I have purchased a chicken bake. I've, I've, you've been legally purchased a chicken bake, but you still, okay. So was there more to Bryce's question?

Did we leave the, do we leave that? Bryce is back. I think for later. Oh, okay. Bryce is back. Yeah. He's coming. Oh, wait. That first question was from Bryce. This upcoming one is back, I think, for later. Oh, okay. Yeah, Bryce is back. Yeah, he's coming. Oh, wait.

That first question was from Bryce. This upcoming one is from Perfect Little Sweeties, Jim. Oh. Do you want to skip ahead to Perfect Little Sweeties? Whatever. You're the driver here. Whatever you think. We'll just skip ahead as long as we're talking about it

because I see it right here. From Perfect Little Sweeties, Jim, does Tommy want to go to Costco with me again? Yes. Yes, I do. It was very funny that, uh, man,

it's, uh, every time, every time I've left my house lately, I've read into someone, which is just weird that you can be in a town of 200,000 plus people and run into people with the frequency that you do. So,

uh, like going to the gym tonight, I ran into two different guys i know our old friend austin benson was at the gym so i got to catch up with him and then my other buddy was there too and i had never seen either of these guys at this gym before so that was that was fun but yeah i went to costco the other day because i thought i was gonna buy a tv and i get in there it's just me and my baby girl and i come around the corner and i hear tommy and it was big bryce perfect little sweeties gym beast member himself southeast beast from the southeast was standing there

we did a little chatting and uh anyone did between the did you was there talk of you two heading over and grabbing up chicken bake together at all uh we didn't really mention that a whole lot he was saying he's maybe gonna buy a cake or something to take to his grandma's house, which is a very commendable thing to do. Okay. Back in the bakery section, there is a three-pound pumpkin pie right now in Costco. And that thing's like $6, $5 or $6. That seems insanely cheap to me. They measure pie in pounds?

Apparently. I didn't know that was a thing, but it says three-pound pumpkin pie. And it's like five or six bucks. That seems so cheap to me for what that is you almost can't afford not to buy it i do like pumpkin pie that'd be my problem is i'd eat the whole thing so that's why i just can't i can't quite pull the trigger on it as bad as i do on it so we did we did talk a lot about the upcoming crew falls december to november meet and greet uh and we're both very excited for it that is going to be fun if you haven't signed up yet go onto our website it's like in the about section you'll find it there's a sign up for the crew falls meet and greet it's december 9th

kind of december 8th and 9th in sioux falls south dakota all supporting members are welcome we've got about 20 ish people signed up, but we got room for more. We're going to hang out with our wangs out. We're going to lift hard. We're going to live easy. It's going to be a hell of a good time. They Keith's right. They don't call it crew falls for no reason from big Joey,

who has been your favorite unpaid and underrated guest on the, on our sister podcast. That's we usually don't pick things like that you know it's hard to pick our favorites of our own pod would you say they've all been in the top like 28 of of people for you for sure i'd say they're all in the top however many episodes they've had that number yes that's what we'll say there from big joey what part of the lift hard live easy classic 2024 are you looking forward to the most what are you looking forward to the most in 2024 i still just have a hard time not saying just seeing and hanging out with everyone. That's really hard to beat. That is so exciting.

Yeah, I think that I can't say lifting. Assuming I do lift, I can't say lifting because I could go lift at any meet. So for me, it's hard to say lifting is the thing I'm looking forward to the most. Lifting wouldn't even be like top three on my list, honestly. It's part of it. It'd be top five, but i'd be hard to say top three i think it's just seeing and hanging out with everyone that's what gets me the most excited it's kind of hard to answer uh that because because i think what makes the lift

hard live easy classic so special is the all of it's the saying the the sum of the parts uh are greater than whatever you know the saying yes yeah, the pieces or whatever the hell it is. Yeah. What I'm saying is it's going to be a pretty damn good time. I would say the Friday evening party is really fun. Oh, God, yes. So maybe I'm really looking forward to that. Also, though, do you remember the Saturday evening party is pretty fun, too, though?

I don't know if you remember that one. That's a different kind of fun, even, too. That's actually, like, different varying uh sorts of fun and like the meat is a different kind of fun than those two things it is just like all different levels of fun i'm most excited about uh new crew you know the old crew coming back but also like them intermingling with new crew that travel in for this that haven't been a part of it before. Getting to share the excitement with everyone else. Yes.

Being their tour guide. Right. Right. You know, everyone's been here once now, or a lot of these guys have. So they're basically local experts at this point. Right. They can take them to all the hot spots. Big Dutch Matt.

What are the plans for episode 400 we funny enough haven't even talked about that yet have we no no we do need to talk about that since it's in approximately should we should we just do some brainstorming right now for like an hour or so and see where i've got a couple small ideas uh but massonomics is all about big ideas not small ideas so i gotta you know those i need to grow those small ideas into uh big ideas yeah yeah this is a big this place for big stuff so we'll have to work on those but uh yeah we should probably you know with black friday here just kind of overshadows everything this is yes one of our timing most important times of the entire year so that's that's been on the on the forefront of of all the plans

yeah massonomics as a business is very black friday is very important uh black friday the arnold two very very important time spans in the year from another one of the davids what would it take what would it take for tanner to The Wire? A mint condition image barbell? Question mark. If someone had, I think I would, yeah, absolutely. If someone was like offering up a mint condition and this was like a piece of the Buddy Caps timeline and they could say, yes, this is what Buddy Caps made.

When you, you know, like this, this goes with your timeline and it was mint condition. I would watch, like I would watch an episode of the wire. I was going to say, you're going to go 60 hours deep just for that. No. Okay. No. So I have to watch like the whole thing.

Um, I don't consider, uh, joking aside, I wouldn't consider watching the wire punishment, but if you actually set up, I don't know when in God's name I could get through that long of a show. Like it might take me a year the way things are right. Like, I don't even know if that. I'm not really sure. No, I could watch an episode a week. And there's how many episodes?

Is there 60-ish? I could watch it in a year. Yeah, you could in a year. One a week. Yeah. You know, 10 minutes a day, you could have the wire done. Imagine if that's how people watch TV. It'd be the worst.

Have you ever heard of people that will watch just half a movie and then finish the second half the next day, that routinely do this? Are you familiar with this? I have a thing where I want to finish something at all costs. Once I'm invested, I have a hard time. Like if I'm actually sitting down for the sake of watching the movie. Right.

Yeah. If it's on in the background and something else is going on, okay, you're not invested. But if I'm here to watch a movie specifically, yeah, I'm all in on that. My wife can essentially not finish any movie. She does not like to watch any anything for like over 40 minutes and then that she's like yep i'm out like it could be her favorite movie of all time titanic or avatar she just won't do it i'm quite sure we've not finished i mean those are bad examples

but i know we've like i've even watched recently uh yeah there you go well actually she really likes lord of the rings and those are so long they're very those are insanely long movies i did uh we did watch those within the last year uh because i just it was the only way i could get her to watch anything with me as if we just picked her like her favorite movie of all time, which is the Lord of Rings trilogy. And that took us many nights. Really? Like that third one. I swear that third movie is like 17 hours long.

We tried watching it so many times. And just like the third movie probably took us at least three separate occasions to finish it. That's pretty commendable because I would have just given up at that point if we had to restart multiple times here or or continue for three different times and i've seen i've seen all of those movies every minute of all of those movies before i know i've seen before and probably more than once but i can honestly say this is my first time watching through lord of the rings that i was really paying like i i guess i even paid attention the other time too but this is the time when i'm like i was asking her questions and just trying to understand things that i've never cared to understand before because you can watch that and just like there's you don't care about any of the shit like which

i kind of don't there's so much i just like the entertainment all of it right right and this was the first time that i was like trying to but it's also a weird thing to me when you watch a movie and you have to be like explained things yeah this one does fall you don't have to be you know it's the fact that it is a book that has this whole world built around it you know it's not just like a movie where they did a shitty job explaining the plot and so you have to have some right it is a it is a different beast i do get the exception yeah lord of the rings is really good though i i really like it i i think it's good not seen those in so long i mean it might have been maybe when i was a freshman in college was the last time i saw i think the effects and like the what they did with the movie holds up

really well, too, because it's almost made of a time period when you could think that they could not maybe pull it off the best. Right, and I think it's pretty good. From Big Nate, the technical guy, how pumped are you for the secret holiday bonus unpaid and underrated episode? I don't know that much about the secret episode. I haven't been able to sleep for the last week, so.

I think that's the reason I can't sleep. Yeah. It's not kids and stuff, it's that. This is from Big Cody. What is the dumbest slash silliest strongman event you want to see more of in comps? Well, I mean, we've already made our position pretty clear on the horse stall moving mat competition. It's definitely the horse stall moving mat competition. Yeah.

That's what it is, right? I think that's what it is. The horse stall moving mat competition. Yeah. That's what it is, right? I think that's what it is. The horse stall moving medley. Do you think someone like Brian Shaw could grab like four or five of them at a time? I want to see a top. Yeah, I don't even want to see like the, I don't want to see it at a lower level strongman competition. I want to see the top like 10 guys in the world battle it out on this.

Because what I think is interesting in the theory that it's on this because uh because what i think is interesting in the theory that it's a stack of 20 horse stall and it's like a medley you got to move them all 20 feet that's a strategy game too because yeah do you try to grab all 20 do you try to grab like three sets of six or you know and and and for these like what are they doing it's grip i'm assuming is what gives out so like a guy like joel dirks how many at once could he grab and pull yeah you know could he hang on because there's also a thickness component to it too yeah so is that the style that people move with them if you're trying to grab like seven out of time it's going to be big and heavy well maybe you can't maybe that's not even a realistic number you're trying to grab

three out of three or four at a time and then you're doing a revert that reverse uh walk yeah which is super fatiguing uh-huh like that's good and if you have to make like three or four trips like that i think you'd be crushed from it but are some of those guys so big and strong that they could just take like they could do half the trips as another guy even a little bit slower but they're just so big that they could manhandle well do you know how much a horse stall mat weighs i feel like i should know that but i don't is it 65 pounds so 45 quick google search says i'm gonna say 60 a quick google search here says typical mats are about 100 pounds per mat. Oh, okay.

But then this says a half-inch thick 4x6 mat will run closer to 75 pounds. A 3-inch mat will run closer to 50. I don't know what size mats those ones you have are. I think 3-quarter inch is at least, right? Or is it a half? Yeah. I don't know. No, I think it's 3-quarter inch.

Okay. Yeah, it's three quarter inch okay well yeah it's three quarter inch because when i build it with a three quarter inch center plat uh center of a platform then the the mats match up with it so it's three quarter okay yeah garage gym right here so yeah i mean can these guys grab four could they grab four at a time 400 pounds and hang on to that and pull because then you're not pick you don't technically have to pick 400 pounds off the ground because half of it's gonna drag on the ground but the more that drags on the ground the more resistance you have when you're trying to move it so and then four but then four is four inches thick and you got to pinch the middle ones too or could could someone

like get wild and creative with it where they are able to grab four of them and almost throw it over your back and lean over and run with it? Maybe. Because the time to get it up there would have to be slower. It would take you more time. But then you can take off. But if you had it on your back, you could just get down there in half the time. I'm just curious what's the most one of these guys could move at once.

Could they move six of them at once 600 pounds i don't know it's because i think it well well it gets three quarter inch six yeah it becomes it gets to be so thick that yeah grabbing it would be and then also like pinching it hard enough that the ones in the middle come with it too and don't slide out right that starts to be the challenge so right uh this would this would be a very interesting event to see. Yeah. Rogue could hire us. We already got an idea for their... It might be better than some of the shit they did this year.

Yeah. You know, we weren't big fans of what they did last year, but I'm not sure if this horse stall mat thing was the right direction to move it in. Yes. Big Andy, when will we see some more juggernaut sets and reps videos from you two? Like a workout training video. You did one quite a while back.

Yeah, that was a while ago. Maybe we do need to get that on the list again here. Yep, that could be on the list. I kind of just assume the general public finds these training videos kind of boring because the general public has no idea who we are so we right we've been making a little more content that has the potential to be seen by a few more people or to or to potentially be interesting to people that just ran across aren't following us yet you know like that aren't currently following us from big hornsby when brian left did he leave any xl

lift shorts behind with him that's five getting closer no he didn't brian didn't do that uh from big keith why won't tommy build a home gym well i know people find this hard to believe but i do enjoy leaving my house a lot of people i know there's a lot of people in the discord that might think that that just sounds insane, but I do actually enjoy leaving my house. And if it was not for the gym, I would not leave my house almost ever with the exception of, you know,

the grocery store taking groceries to daycare. So this is my one chance at social interaction. And today two of my good buddies were there just randomly. So it was, it was a good trip today. The gym is like a four or five minute car ride from my house. So the drive isn't bad. Building one in my house. I'm never going to completely rule out the idea.

But also, after going to Massanomics Gym, I'm kind of spoiled as to what I'd ever want in a gym. So it wouldn't be cheap to get no and not that you'd have to go crazy but it would really it would feel like a downgrade to just have a a rack a bar some plates like to start there would feel like a major downgrade uh so you start adding other stuff in and it it definitely adds up in a hurry. Also, the gym would have to go in the garage. Couldn't be a basement thing, and we know I kind of like basements around here. So there's that part to consider too. Garages do get fairly cold in this part of the country.

So it's got a lot of factors that don't make it a clear-cut, easy decision. Right. From Big Matt, what does Tanner's meme creation process look like? Process would be a generous term, I think, of what I do. That would be a... It's so... Well, here's the process. Just think about it all the time, all day, every day. That's what it is, actually. That's kind of what it is, because that's the only way to consistently have a lot of them, and I actually think that Big Matt probably knows that himself. To be honest, it's a sickness of looking at everything in terms of a meme.

Like, that is a meme that I want to go away sometimes. You can't just enjoy things for what they are. No, no, I don't watch. I've said it before, and it is true. I've never in the last few years watched any movie and not at least once thought about something like at least think like oh could this like that is that a meme like that seems like a meme right there like i don't watch anything and not see like that and sometimes it makes me laugh but at at times I think, like, I need to stop thinking about that for a couple minutes.

Turn this off. Yeah. But that, and he knows, as someone that, you know, he's been making a lot of memes, he knows that too. But that's true. It never really stops. But then sometimes it's, I'm always saving clips. I've always got a whole bunch of clips that I'm like, I like this clip.

I just don't know what the meme is yet. Or sometimes I see a clip and I'm like, I know what the meme is right away. So then I'll get the clip and I'll make the meme right away. But a lot of times I just have clips that I just am later thinking it's going to be a meme. And sometimes I never think of the right thing and I just eventually delete. I get sick of looking at it and i'm like you know what i give up on this one i don't i no longer like it has become unfunny to me i'm getting rid of it uh i've got one that i've had in there for like over a

year that i've just been waiting like what's my oldest i gotta see because maybe we can do you can do we can do an on-air brainstorm session. What's this one that I've had in there for so long that every time I come across it, I'm like, God, I really need to yeah, this is from this is over a year old now and I have kept this one this long. Got me very interested.

Okay. It's I could hook this up, but for simplicity's sake, I'm just going to play it into the speaker. Remember it. Write it down. Take a picture.

I don't give a fuck. Is that Chris Tucker? It doesn't play the battle. Is it Chris Tucker? It's Chris Tucker where he goes, write it down. Remember it. Take a picture. I don't give a fuck.

Is that from Rush Hour or something? I think it's from Friday. I've never seen Friday. I've never seen it. Oh, okay. He has not seen it. I think that that's, I can't remember what that's from. I think maybe's from Friday. I've never seen Friday. I've never seen it. Oh, okay. He has not seen it. I think that that's, I can't remember what that's from. I think maybe Friday or something.

But I've had that one in for so long and it just struck me as a meme when I saw it and I just haven't been willing to give up on it. I think there's definitely some potential in that one. I can see why that one's worth hanging on to. But that's part of the process too. And then sometimes it literally is, I need to post something right now. I have 10 minutes. I will come up with something right.

Like where I just, sometimes I just have to tell myself, I will come up with one right now. And as far as which of these work better, the long planned ones or the short, I come up with the right now, all a crap shoot. Sometimes I force myself to think of one and it turns out good. Or sometimes I hold onto one forever and it sucks. Would you say though, if you could give advice, okay, is this true? If there's advice on ones that hit maybe just slightly more than the others are ones that are timely and relevant to a trend or something that's going on at the moment yeah that could maybe offer commentary as to some event that's not always it's not a yeah not always you know it's like do they have maybe a slightly higher success yeah they do they do they definitely do and then there's certain themes if you follow our thing you'll sit you know i'll i'll i'll come back

to certain themes also some if i just think it's funny, to me, I like the excessive drinking and lifting. It's always kind of funny to me, and it can always be phrased in such. I like to say anything where I can say, drank 12 brewskis the night before, and then the next day maxed out deadlift. I've made like 70 variations of that meme, And a lot of them have done really well. It just never gets old. It just keeps going. So anyway, I can talk about drinking a whole bunch of brewskis and then lifting the next day.

Because then they get popular enough and then they start getting these comments from outside of our circle. And then it just rolls on that every time. Or, oh, you really shouldn't be drinking. And, you know, it's like, yes. The voices of wisdom come in. Yes. Yes. Do we need to read more ads right now?

Yeah. Should we do an ad read? Yeah. We should probably kick off the live listeners at some point in time, too, maybe. Well, we're going to let them read. We're going to let them hear an ad first, though. All right. Should I do supporting our supporting members or ads first?

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He had a 465 squat, a 315 bench, and a 575 deadlift for that 1355 total. Great meet for Big Catfish. deadlift for that 1355 total great meat for big catfish yeah then big matt sesney was uh one of the top male performers in the garage gym competition he was one of the uh high total i think it was based on total he was up there and what was his total i don't know it was up there though it's definitely up there yeah it was definitely i had to guess i'd say it was up there though it's definitely up there yeah it was definitely i had to guess i'd say it was up there yes and then uh big jen is this week's guest on unpaid and underrated it hasn't come out yet but by the time you listen to this it has so make sure to check out big jen on that i really enjoyed the masonomics photo yes there it is i really enjoyed that photo when i saw this baby keith slightly disturbing

slightly very disturbing but very funny oh man you know what one that kind of reminds me of is uh the one where we're reading the book of silly goose nursery rhymes or whatever and how he what and how he lost his druthers or something. And how he found his druthers. It's the story of the silly goose and how he found his druthers. That's a classic meme. It is.

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Well, we're body garments, to be honest. So, I don't know, sometime in the next six months you could maybe see something. Yep, we have to keep an eye on our our radar have to keep an eye out on those drops yeah it has been on our radar for sure recentonomics says what would a custom massonomics pheasant hunting experience entail oh man we are the pheasant capital of the united states right here in brown county south dakota western northeast south dak the pheasant capital of the united states right here in brown county south dakota western northeast south dakota pheasant capital of the u.s yes absolutely people that don't know they're well pheasant hunting what season start a month ago two months

ago yeah in october october uh people fly in the heart of it right now from all over the country spend big bucks and i'm not exaggerating people spend many many i mean some places tens of thousands five five plus thousand a guy five yeah i mean so there's there'll be groups that'll come in and there'll be 10 grand a person they'll spend to go to these all all catered in every way hunting lodges and they uh they tend to your every every need and uh i don't know if we'd be at that level of service for the mass i think ours would would would have to focus you know ours would be the pheasant hunt would just be a uh parcel a piece of the total uh experience where oh yeah you know a lot of it would be food related, food related, experiential.

I mean, to me, half the fun of pheasant hunting was just getting around with everyone. And then you just eat a bunch of shit in the morning before, cause you can't start until what noon on the opening day. It's noon. Okay. Yeah.

So you start at noon and then the other half of the fun to me was always just, you're just driving around in fields. Like you're kind of off-roading acting like idiots the whole time. And then if you're lucky enough to find some birds, that's always a lot of, I mean, that's exciting to fire it off.

Even like knowing things, you have no, no business making that shop. You're like, no, I got to fire the gun anyways. You're just, yeah,

it can be a lot of fun. I mean, I do get why people like it, but it's been a while for me. It's been a while. From Big Jeff. If you were a hot dog and you were starving, would you eat yourself? I know I would.

Wait, am I a Costco hot dog or an Oscar Mayer hot dog? I wish I were an Oscar Mayer wiener. Yeah. What is that from? an Oscar Mayer hot dog. I wish I were an Oscar Mayer wiener. What is that from? If you were a hot dog and you were starving, would you eat yourself? I know I would. Is that from? Is it from something? That's from something. I'm finding out.

That's definitely from something. Is that the office or Harry Carey, Colin Quinn, Will ferrell oh oh yeah it's harry harry carrey from snl will ferrell yeah uh yeah yeah harry yeah yeah that's what that is yeah okay doing two if the moon were made out of cheese would you eat it yeah yes yes yes yeah that i forgot about those wow yeah that's good well here okay here's his next question so this was that was almost like a prelude to the next question here from big jeff which will ferrell this is a good one which will ferrell character

would you most want to lift with snl characters allowed so any Will Ferrell character, if you were to get a lift session in with them, which would you choose? That's a question. That is a good question. See, there's almost too many, he's almost leaving it too open because there's so many characters to think about here

on the spot. You know, if this was a research project where I could really go and dissect every character, I could give a better answer. But, I mean, Ricky Bobby would be a fun one. He's got that competitive edge, which would make that part fun. I mean, you could say from an athletic standpoint, there's also the Flint Tropics. Why can't I think of his name? Tropical Thunder.

No, the basketball one. What's. Oh, oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, I cannot, I cannot think of his name in that movie.

Semi-pro semi-pro Jackie moon. There you go. Okay. Jackie moon. You know, he is an athlete. So that one, what about anchorman?

Will Ferrell? He wouldn't be really behind. I don't think he'd be a good gym guy. No. No. He just likes to do single arm curls. That's all he likes to do. Well over 1,000, yes.

Yeah, which is a lot. It's a lot of volume. What about, I would maybe lean towards old school Will Ferrell. See, and I thought about that one too, but that guy's really. Or do you not like that? That guy's the guy that goes to the gym. He's in a weird spot. Because he's all depressed and he's going through a breakup.

And those could be some of the worst people to be in a gym with. Right. But it is a common person you would see in the gym, though. That's true. That's true. That's just like a real life person. It's like you go to your local gym right now, you'll see that guy in there. And then I thought, well, is the guy well, is Will Ferrell from the other guys?

He has that gator back past life to him. So I don't know if that would be a good gym guy or not either. What about Elf? Is that on the list? I think that would be too distracting. I think that'd be too distracting. I think that'd be too distracting. What about Step Brothers, Will Ferrell? See, I think he's too dumb there, I think.

You know, technically, The Night at the Rocks for Will Ferrell. Don't they go to the gym in that movie? So there is an option there. Yeah. They're really douchebury, Will Ferrell. Don't they go to the gym in that movie? So there is an option there. Yeah. They're really douchey, though. Yeah. I'm not loving many of them. Okay, deep cut here.

Mustafa Will Ferrell from Austin Powers. That guy, he doesn't quit. You can shoot him again and again and again, and he just doesn't die. So that guy has some staying power. Yeah, that's true. Why was he in that? Was Will Ferrell on pop?

Was that that early that he was like? I don't know if he was doing really movies yet at that time, because that would have been, what, 97, 99? I actually forgot about that. What about Mugatu? Probably a little too high maintenance for the gym so I don't know if that one works out either I kind of like Jackie Moon I like that choice I think that'd be a pretty decent one but then we haven't really dissected too much of the SNL oh yeah

he's George Bush he's George W Bush on SNL and uh Alex Trebek oh suck it yeah yeah i don't know if yeah i'm gonna go with uh i'm gonna go with jackie moon that's the best one i don't i'm not sure if i'm in love with any of those but that's what i think it'll go with yeah that works for me all right next question from big joe any word on the re-release of the lift shorts 2.0 well not really no word on that yet not really much for an update there but anything is possible maybe that'd be maybe there'll be something here. Never say never. How about that? From big Patrick,

how will massonomics top? Let's get stupid strip club episode. So for episode 200, they recorded from the lamp later. I don't know if you know. Yeah. And you got to call in, didn't you? They called me and I have,

I haven't listened to it. I see the episode is out. I haven't listened. I legitimately see the episode is out I haven't listened I legitimately could not it sounded like someone set up a phone like 15 feet behind him and it was just a group like I could tell there was a group talking and when I'm saying I couldn't really hear him like I legitimately it sounded like it was coming from us they were yelling into a phone that was 20 feet away from them. I'm like,

I kept kind of hearing, like I could tell Tom was talking or then I could, was there a lot of background noise too, or you just couldn't really hear it. There was a lot of background noise, but it's almost like the phone. It's what I think is that their mics, you know,

their mics, the sound from their mics was not going to the phone. I think they had the phone sitting down here on the table. Yeah, I could see that. And then they were sitting around the table. If it would have been, I wasn't catching their mic speak here. Yeah. And so I literally don't know what they said.

I had a couple things I wanted to say to them, so I just kind of said them and then hung up. So I don't even know what they, I don't know if they were speaking, if we were just speaking over each other or what that even sounded like. I'm excited to listen to that one and find out. Yes.

It looked like Big Lou was there as well. That's almost a supporting or supporting members call out right there. Big Lou was able to join. That's good. Did he make the drive just for that? I assume so. That's really funny.

What's from Freedom Fitness Equipment? What's harder, a Texas Power Bar or Chris Duffin on Vaso Blitz? Oh. That's tough. That is a tough one. A couple of very hard shafts right there. Mm-hmm. I'd still go with the texas power bar it's a pretty hard shaft really really thinking about this right

now yeah that's power bar too though from big chris daminger why do time changes affect submasters and above the most well they also have a pretty powerful effect on people under the age of five as well that is also true i think it's just the middle in between the middle of the bell curve that gets away with it not affecting them so much i do i would say we our household got very lucky this year with people adjusting quite quickly to it so this was one of the more seamless transitions we've had ours is seamless transition everyone just gets up at five now so that like i've gotten up at five every single day the clock just for like two weeks yeah i don't set an alarm anymore because i

know i will be awake by five one way or another you know i actually don't set an alarm anymore either and it's to the point where now for the most part people in our house wake up between 6 30 and 7 15 which you know when they don't have a hard job you got to report to if you're a few minutes right it doesn't matter so uh it is kind of nice to be at us this is honestly as of the last couple months the first time in my adult life where i don't set an alarm every morning it's a very weird feeling i don't have to i haven't gotten up to my alarm in weeks and weeks that's i still usually set it out of paranoia because i'm always like you know what today could be the day they're gonna all i might just not wake up for like i might just not wake up for like a a week if i don't

set an alarm here uh from big jo, why no garage gym competition sponsorship this year? Well, to be frank, that is a business decision. Yeah. And it costs a lot of money to sponsor that. And I'm not too sure. And if we're going to, I guess there's two ways to look at sponsorships. Because we get asked to sponsor a lot of things. We could actually go broke as a company sponsoring things.

Oh, for sure. We could. Like if we said yes to everything, we would have no. We just wouldn't have a business. Right. Absolutely. We would not. And I mean, the sponsorship would not come back our way.

We would just lose money. Well, that's kind of my point on a lot of the sponsorship opportunities they don't they're not reciprocated like in a way that it doesn't you have to look at it as a donation to a certain extent which is unfortunate because yeah what's it's just annoying and i'm not really blaming anyone here it's just the nature of the sport but look at the nba and all these places they have commercials those are their sponsors and right you can be pretty sure that the people in these departments are doing this because they think it is a good business move none of them are doing it because they want to make a donation to the nba right they're doing it because they think they're going to make money off of this move. And for the most part, in powerlifting, as unfortunate as it is to say,

the 99.99% of times you're doing a sponsorship, you're purely making a donation. And as long as you understand that, you can be a little more selective about it. But it is incredibly rare to the point where, I don't know, has it happened maybe once where we've sponsored something? We're like, we actually might have, that actually might have made us money. I don't know. Has that ever happened? Maybe once might be a generous number on that, actually.

Yeah. The other thing, too, another way that we've looked at that also is now that we started running the Lift Hard, Live Easy Classic, because part of it is giving back to the strength sports. You know, like you're just, like a lot of the companies, you just think about it as giving back to the sports. Well, a much bigger way that we can do that than like donating our money to like every, you know, to seven meets a month is we just put on a really cool one and invite anyone that wants to come to it to come do it. month is we just put on a really cool one and invite anyone that wants to come to it to come do it and like that's you know we're able to give way more back to the sport by doing that then and affect way more people that actually care about what we're doing right so we've kind of uh

we've done less other things now because because we do that you know because we focus a lot of money and time on that yeah yeah yeah the way we get back to it is we try to throw the craziest powerlifting meet possible. And you can't be much more direct with your dollars than doing something like that. And it's not even to say that people don't try and do a good job. No, that's not knocking them at all. It's just so incredibly hard to get that many eyeballs on something to make it, to make it matter. And, and another like Frank thing to be Frank, whenever someone asks us for a lot of money for any of these,

we're pretty, we're pretty much out just because it just does not make any sense. Like we're much more likely to do the smaller ones. Cause it's like, and just stomach a smaller donation where it's like, people that ask for many thousands, just our business model the way it works but once you understand just do the math and we're selling t-shirts for

30 i mean take a rough guess how much you think we're actually profiting off of a t-shirt now think about how many t-shirts we would have to sell for your event to even break even um and you'll see the numbers start to just get insane. And that's not the way it works. Like to be real about it, if we spent like $1,000 sponsoring an event, we would be lucky to be able to say we sold 10 t-shirts from that.

Pretty much. Don't you think so? Yeah. I mean, best case scenario would be we'd sell probably five t-shirts and five drink spotters if we sponsored something big like that right right yeah that's not all it is yeah um so it doesn't really fit all that well yeah and we're not like i mean we're saying this from experience sponsoring tons of different ones over the years big big ones, small ones, local ones, ones that have huge people at them. And in our experience, either people that go to those things

and watch those things don't like our product or they don't pan out. And I'm maybe betting more on they just don't pan out because they don't get enough people to watch them. Like, it's just at the end of the day, there's not enough people that watch it. And then if they do get thousands of people to watch, well, now they want a lot more money so then the numbers again don't work out in your favor yes and that's just the way power lifting is it is what it is from big murph she said i recently was at an outdoor event and hauled various wood pieces toward a firewood pile

we carried the pieces across a large open field full of dying dying shrubs heavy and awkward has there been a strong man created bonfire imagine the locations the items the terrain could be epic i would assume there has not been a strong man created by bonfire before it almost has a a component of i don't know survivor or uh what are those show all those survival shows you know where you're all you get yeah like survivor right yeah what's that one alone where they're all completely oh yeah alone yeah you know it has that component of that where not only are you just moving stuff now you got to figure out a way to light it on fire at the end right if there was a draft where you had to pick people for your strongman uh uh bonfire making team number one

pick overwhelmingly should be haveland oh i was gonna say the exact same thing i was wondering if you're gonna go there or not yeah he would be the number one pick without a doubt he yes yeah everyone else would be a very very distant second to him yes and he also just benched 600 and did you see that it's like 640 yeah 640 pounds yeah and it's a long motion yeah it's just it's just a dude laying on the bench benching i know there's no sneaking around that technique. No, there, he seems to be laying very flat when he does that. Yeah. Like noticeably it sticks out at how flat his back is on the bench from big Tron with longer hair,

overrated or underrated crew neck sweatshirts. Same question for long sleeve hooded tees. So with the long hair, does that for a crew neck sweatshirt, does that make a crew neck sweatshirt any better or any worse to you? Well, it sort of makes it a little better because you don't have the hood jamming up your hair. Right, so you think a crew neck could be better because, yeah. It does make it a little better. When you have a hoodie on and you have long hair

your hood your hair's kind of doing the thing of like is it going over the top and back of the hood is it coming around to the sides and then out back to the front so there is a component of where does my hair go in this equation that doesn't exist with the crew with the crew neck but i also don't think about that this is probably honestly more than i've ever thought about it right now now that he's saying it because i'm verbalizing it for the first time but what was the question though are they what was the second part of it the same question for long sleeve hooded tees long sleeve hooded tees well i don't think i've ever owned a long-sleeved hooded tee, actually. Maybe when I was in elementary school or something I did.

But, yeah, I've not owned one of those for a very long time, so I could be wrong. My boy has some of those, and he's three. So the thing with those hoods, though, is those hoods are essentially just a tiny piece of T-shirt fabric, so the hood doesn't really do anything. Right. Yeah.

So you don't got to worry about your hair. It lays very flat on your back. Yeah, it lays very flat on your back, so you don't got to really worry about your hair messing with that one too much. Okay. From Big Justin, are you guys considering honoring Brian

in the unsupporting our supporting our on supporting members segment. That's number six, by the way, number six, that in one of our newest, fastest growing segments on the podcast. Yes. Yes.

Should we kick the live list off or should we let them ride? We can kick them off. Yeah, let's kick them off. They've had their fun. Yeah, they've had their fill with it. They need something to look at.

Just for sticking around so long. They're getting reported now, too. Reported for sexual acts of deviance. Every one of these men showed me their penis on air tonight. I'm very upset. You will be reported. But this gives them something to make sure to listen to to turn it live when they can't uh everyone's they're dying to know what the final brian count is you know the biggest yeah that's true they're all gonna have to tune in

because we're at six now right uh-huh okay from big jory piece of gym or lifting equipment you regret getting oh well i'm not a good person to ask because I can tell you every piece of gym equipment everything I bought in my life it's it all fits in a gym bag it's a lifting belt shoes wrist straps knee sleeves and oh the one piece I added somewhat recently was the the one strong herd bench pad and I don't regret that thing one bit either that thing's nice to have you been using that oh i use it every time i go to a bench because so yeah every bench in a commercial gym is somehow like an oil slick it's so slippery i mean you could i feel like you could lay i feel like you could lay down on it quickly and you just slide off the back it's crazy

so do you do you use it every time i use it every time i mean if i'm benching i never asked you about it if i'm benching under 225, I don't use it just because I, leg drive doesn't really matter then. But yeah, anytime I'm like doing a workout where I'm moving any type of weight, I always use it because you have to. No one has ever asked me about it though. Okay. Never ever.

Which I always think someone's going to and it just never ever came up. Even to the point where someone I've, I wanted to get a color that wasn't black because I knew I would leave black on the bench because every bench is black and I've done it multiple times and I've had people be like, Oh, you left this thing here. And again,

no one comments or ask what is it? No one says a thing, which just blows my mind. So nothing that you were like anything that you're like, Oh, that kind of was a piece of shit or anything like that. I just haven't bought enough stuff in this hobby. There's not enough things to buy

if you don't have a home gym to really, you know, I've never bought an elbow sleeves. I could maybe see how if I bought elbow sleeves, I would potentially regret that. But no regrets. No, I don't have any. You're the one that's bought stuff. Do you have any regrets?

I don't really look at it in terms of regrets everything's just uh and it's just uh i mean outside of clothing type items if you don't like it you can just sell it for that's close to what you bought it for can't you i don't know if i've ever sold anything hardly like have i can you recall i just only when i replace when i upgrade yeah when oh sure i guess i bought i don't even know if i paid money for it but it was when we first moved into this new location from the original gym and we had that shoulder press that dedicated shoulder press thing that was an awful piece of equipment angles were a hundred percent wrong i think that was free but even it wasn't it wasn't worth free that's

actually still sitting in the basement. I saw that the other day when I was taking pictures. I saw that back there. I forgot about it. I should just set that outside and put a free sign on it. But it's because it's a seated barbell overhead press bench, I guess is what it is. But if you were to do it, the bar is so the bar sits almost a foot behind your head so unracking it is damn near impossible i don't know who made that or

even with a spotter it's so awkward because like i want to like get yeah into the bar like if you have a spotter you have to have them like lift it out here and then you get set up like while they're holding it it's back so just do like a 45 degree angle from you know put your arms kind of by your shoulders and then put them back at a 45 degree angle and extend them back a foot and then think now now be strong in that position and unrack it yeah it is only really impossible only the oldest of uh most original mass dynamics gym members would even remember that thing but it was it turned into a coat rack really quick and then it turned into not

even being in the gym real fast so that is one piece of equipment that was quite the piece of shit from the big mac dream blunt rotation of past podcast guests and nightmare blunt rotation of past podcast guests i think i'd have an easier time with the nightmare nightmare yeah the nightmare

rotation uh this would be hilarious um so i'm semi-ignorant a blunt rotation who you just sit around with and get high and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to sit and pass a blunt around with. This rotation would be absolutely hilarious in the scariest way possible. It would be Evan. What was his name again? Cardone. Yeah, Evan Cardone.

John Anderson. Cardone. Yeah, Evan Cardone. Yeah. John Anderson. And who would be the... I'm going to say it. I would put Matt Reynolds in it. Yeah.

I've never said that on air. That would be... He would be my third one. Just because you'd be... He'd be selling me. He'd be pitching us the whole time. Just look at your watch. It'd be like noon.

And then you'd look down again and it'd be midnight. And you're like, oh, I haven't actually talked yet. there's been zero zero moments of silence yeah i mean even that even that nightmare one would be interesting oh god it'd be a very funny nightmare but uh what about a dream one anything like uh i guess it's you know mike's always funny but also we've been around like i'd have to not like i'd be like no we're pretty good i know mike pretty well at this point i know he would be if he's not in it he's he's adjacent to it though is the thing

right right up there um and even like dave i really liked hanging out with dave but also now we kind of have so then i kind of lean towards wanting for it to be somebody else yeah i lean towards wanting someone that's goofier that's why mike does does fit the brother pretty well he does um i have a you know what my problem is i my recalling of our guests we've had so hard i just i can't i have no good memory recall on that. You just say they all just kind of are the same to you after a while. Well, there's just so many. I know.

That's my problem, too, is I just can't. It's an overwhelming pool. I do really struggle to even come up with people off the top of my head and then have noteworthy things about their episodes. I thought last week's episode with Stacey Burr, I thought Stacey Burr was a really good guest. Oh, I thought she was really fun. Because we've ran into her a few times,

and we've got to talk to her, but it was never more than really just kind of a, hey, what's up, what's going on? I actually, we said right away when we got off the air, we said, oh, that was a lot of fun, actually. We had no idea what to expect. Because she puts out a lot of fun, actually. Like, we had no idea what to expect. You know, because she puts out a lot of, like, some pretty serious stuff, and we don't have the most serious time a lot of times.

So sometimes I don't know what, like, I don't know, I have a perception of what somebody's going to be like, and then I, like, get completely flipped on that. And I'm like, oh, no, that was, I was incorrect on what I thought that that person might be like, and that was I was incorrect on what I thought that that person might be like and that was so much fun just as that's see I just go to my most recent I know I mean people yeah people that come to my mind tend to be people that have been on in the last 10 to 15 episodes but uh I'd have a hard time giving a decent answer here without

really digging through the list you know who i thought uh a couple like evan sentapani i thought he was a pretty fun he was yes for a guy that we knew almost nothing about right he could be a pretty fun guy to have in that uh in that mix i'm just trying to think of some what about like dr beau hightower would he be a fun one? Maybe. You know who's actually pretty fun too, though, is David Thomas Tao of Bar Bend. He's pretty fun too. That's true too. Yeah.

Yeah, he's interesting. He's a fun guy to talk to. And he gets our whole vibe. What about the 10 Scoops guy? The deadliest art. Dark Iron Gains. Dark Iron Gains. Dark Iron Gains. I don't know.

Potentially. I'm trying to go through the list as quickly as I can, but it's a long list. It is an incredibly long list. Oh, Jordan from recently of Barbell. Jordan Feigenbaum was pretty fun. Of course, then we could just go with our buddies like someone like grant but you know it's also that like that's just uh like our it's kind of like there again i'm back to the mike and dave thing where i i almost kind of want to pick

people that i that it's more of a rare experience too i agree something to think about to really dwell on Big Jen says what are the next big goals for Masonomics well the most immediate goals get through Black Friday that's hopefully have a

smashing Black Friday we're almost in slightly more of a one step at a time uh point of the process right now i don't know that we have a master like a two-year plan we've never honestly really had a master two-year plan yeah i think we're like uh the next three months yeah i think a lot of people vastly over uh over or underestimate what's going to happen in two years in most businesses i guess as as your business gets bigger, it's easier because it's really hard to turn the ship at any one point. But when you got two people that can kind of do whatever they want, it's really easy for us to just turn how things are going.

So a two-year plan seems insane. We do have hopefully first quarter next year some exciting things that we're hoping we can have ready by then. Um, just some of these things are slightly outside of your control as far as timelines, things like that. So, right.

Um, but you know, like the, the obvious immediate things are black Friday wrap up the year then through December. And then it's really, you start to get into Arnold mode because you got to get ready for the year's done.

You're really two months out from the Arnold. Once Arnold's done, it's like getting ready for the lift hardly busy classic and that's kind of a cycle I'm kind of jumping ahead though we got the December to remember so it's Black Friday December to remember then it's the end of the year and then it's full Arnold prep we're two months out and then yeah then you you know we have a little bit of a lull but uh the lift hardly busy classic isn't too far away from that let's as far as big goals you know we want the arnold to do well i'd love to sell more merchandise at the arnold this year than we you know last year was better than the year before i'd love for this year to be better than last year that'd be a goal and then a big goal would be the the second lift

hard live easy classic the first one went awesome so now there's like some pressure for us to do better and i want it to be i want it want you to come to this one and say that first one was awesome but this one was undoubtedly even better yeah you know like maybe maybe there's nostalgia for the first one there's parts of it that you'll like no matter what but where you really analyze and you say yeah this this was something like this event is like is really uh increasing in magnitude and like uh just feeling bigger and bigger and like that we're such on the same page for that that just goes without saying we don't need to tell ourselves like oh we should we should really try and one up what we like our goals we just know that that immediately it's yeah what can we do to make this better it's never a discussion of do we go bigger and better do we want to try and put more

effort in like that is obvious to us and also to keep our youtube going that's a that's another one that we oh there you go that's a good one actually scenes that yeah we would love to see i mean obviously we want to see all the numbers everywhere keep going up right that's always youtube's where we've really been focusing a lot harder than we have been in the past yeah there's a lot of like seeing some success there a lot of time and effort that goes into youtube more than almost anything else i mean actually even more than the podcast it's in a way depending on the week it can be significantly more or comparable and yes it would it would be nice to get rewarded for that more than what you do but we are starting to see signs of things coming around so uh yeah it is yeah it's doing well

it's uh there is definitive improvement so that's that is promising and good to see yeah the channel over 10 last month so that's a yeah that's a good sign that's i mean literally that is something for sure uh big gen also says favorite holiday food movie memory or tradition okay there's a lot favorite holiday food i do i mean i do look forward to the holiday sweets because i don't bake anything so i look forward to the holiday pumpkin pie pecan pie i look forward to that i also do look forward to the real food too because uh you know usually someone's doing some good cooking so you know i i'm not like partial to like oh i gotta have this i'm usually just pretty excited for anything that's put in front of me so that's the food part what was the other other ones uh and i think it's just like any of these that stick out to you but movie memory or tradition

um movie i think we've talked about this before i don't have a super strong preference for holiday movie i'll just i'll try to catch some as they're on but i don't have anything there honestly even tradition starting to sound bad i don't even have really any like really strong family traditions like we have to do this on this day. We had some growing up as a family, but then as you get older and people move away and they go to different spouses, Christmas, things like that, you don't even have everyone every year.

So those have fallen by the wayside a little bit. But you know what? Maybe what? I'm a man with a family now. Maybe I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to make my own family traditions. But we're early. We're early in the process there so right um that'll probably come and then was there one other one tradition memory memory uh i don't know i mean

there's i do have a lot of memory i have a lot of memorable times from the holidays you know between when you're a kid it's i mean a lot of getting presents things like that's presents some of the presents are so memorable i remember we got an n64 when you're made my head explode it was the craziest thing ever uh that and then you know when you're a kid also getting that time off from school and you're just with your buddies playing video games all day or you're at their house or you go sledding or you're just outside you know like our dads yeah playing in the snow i remember dads used to take us ice fishing and that would just turn into us just driving four-wheelers and going crazy on the ice things like that um yeah i mean lots of and then when you get a little older you're back from

college it's meeting up with old buddies and drinking and doing that stuff now you have a family it's really cool to see oh how genuinely excited your kids get for presents and stuff like that uh you can kind of like you live live through through them. So I guess those are my answers. Tanner, what do you got? Yeah, that's all good. I go movie.

I'm going to say I do really like national lampoons, Christmas vacation. And I do at this point, we force everyone to watch it or whoever I can make, watch it with me once a year. So I will watch that annually. So that's kind of also a tradition. And I do,

uh, cause I'm kind of a record guy. I don't know if you've heard a thing or two about this. But I do have a Bing Crosby Christmas record that I look forward to putting on every year for the last several years. So I'll put it on some more, like usually when it snows in the morning, I'll put it on and force everyone to listen to it in like an early snowy morning. I'll put it on and force everyone to listen to it in like an early snowy morning. Or when we have people over for like a holiday time, I will put, like when it's family people,

I'll put on the Bing Crosby Christmas album. And I do like that album. Bust out the eggnog and just really get them in the mood. Yep. And I like it to feel like that. And then, yeah, I like the coolest part now is kids opening presents, really, when they're getting something cool or something big or something. You know, that's kind of fun. Even along those lines, this is the first year that trick-or-treating really made sense for my boy.

And it's so funny just, like, how hyped he gets. Oh, we just go over here and we get candy. We walk to the first neighbor's house, and he opens up and gets a candy bar. And like, he's just like ready to be done. He like, I was like, all right,

can we go? Yeah, this is going to go for a while. You're going to get a lot more candy. Just every time. Just blow in his mind. Big Kevin says, how long after you guys had babies,

did you really dive back into training hard again? Well, I guess for me, it wasn't even really right away. Like right away for the most part. Well, Tanner, you're going through this right now. Right away for the most part, you know, like right away you have the baby, yeah, but like your life doesn't really change that much because the baby kind of needs mom. This might be a little bit of a biology lesson for you guys out there, but babies tend to need mommy right off the bat so i didn't even feel like that was that much of a

shock it seemed later on seemed to me for a little bit later down the road when things got a little trickier as far as scheduling and life goes yeah it doesn't really change anymore like having another baby doesn't really change it. Honestly, it's all the same. If I figured out how to lift at this through it, I'm not even saying that as like, it's kind of really doesn't change it.

It's like, I've already kind of figured that out. And I could certainly make a reason to not lift, you know, like, like I absolutely could figure out uh so i never have stopped but you know the question is really dive back into training hard again i never never really really don't train like i never really train not kind of hard but there's still levels to it yeah

but i don't have a hard and fast rule to that question it's more of like you just know when you're like uh yeah like when you can sleep when you're it's really comes down to sleep honestly yeah i'd say the two the two limiting factors really are sleep like quality of sleep and then the amount of available training time right it gets to be much more of a challenge you know when you like right now my yeah my time is i my training has sessions have had to definitely be shorter but then i can still like today you know i had bench i still trained the bench press hard i'm just maybe not hitting the same amount of accessory movements yeah the accessories yes the accessories start to suffer the most i think is what right so i'm not going to go in and be like oh i don't have much time i'm just going

to do push downs and uh you know kickbacks i'm like no i'm gonna bench i gotta make this i gotta make this session count get the ankle straps out i'm putting them on the cable machine or it's like you know it's like the other day i just deadlifted and did a uh squat variation and that was it yeah you know i did like today that was a deadlift four sets of the squat and i'm like that's what i and then there was a you know i'm quote unquote you know not not like it but there was like uh the reason you had to get going so i'm like that well that's what i got to do today yeah that's how my day was today. I got my 5x5 for squat in. And then I got through very quickly some leg curls and some incline bench.

And then I had just like a few minutes. So I did two really quick sets on the hack squat. And that was my day. So the squat part took probably 80% of the workout. And then the other ones got blasted through in the last 10 minutes or so. Right. So it is being smart about with your training time economy, I think. Next one would go to Big Tyler Thompson.

Make a powerlifting style sport with three different lifts than SBD. Example, front squat, dumbbell bench, axle deads. Okay, I'll go the Jefferson deadlift. Classic. Sure.

For a pressing thing. Does it have to be those three movements? No, I guess it doesn't have to be that. Does it? I guess not. I didn't know if that was an unwritten rule that what do I, what do I like?

Continental clean and press. We've been instructed. That's the best gauge of strength. Yeah. Um, I don't, do you have anything? I like, I like Jefferson dead deadlift i do like a continental

clean and press it sort of mixes a pull and a press into one yeah right so you can't just be a pure long arm monster and have a really good have a really good lift there you got to have more of the total package you could say so i really like that and then you do need something i do think something that tests your legs more directly so is that a front squat is that a back squat is that uh safety squat bar i don't know yeah it's gotta i i'm just what that third one would be i don't know i have a hard time not saying back squat still there right just because front squat the limiting factor is just the positioning for so many people that it feels like that's a hard one to say like that's maybe it could be safety squat bar actually maybe it could be

maybe you would see some crazy numbers there yeah if okay if we have to say it has to be different then i'm gonna go safety squat bar if you can't pick any of the power lifting movements. From Big Clint, would you rather have an all-time world record and it get broken the next year or set a new master's world record every year? It's tough for me to think about this one because i don't even think of myself as being in world record territory so it's a mental exercise that i'm not ready for uh or so what

was the second option or set a new master's record every year yeah i would go to that because it means i'm making i'm improving every year and like seems more exciting. I guess you have a lot of longevity if that's the case. Right, right. And I don't really care. I mean, I suppose if I was in that territory, I'd care about an all-time world record. But it's like you said, I don't really think about that, so I don't care about it.

And I wouldn't even care about the Masters world record. What I would care, I'd be kind of excited about. It's like, geez, I get older and I still get better every year. This is really encouraging and keeps it really fun. but progress i am the fountain of youth yes so that's what i would take i would take that one i think that's the right answer big uh strongman dan with arm tattoos said how excited are you that an old has been like big dan with the arm tattoos is doing strongman at the lift. Hardly easy classic.

I'm very excited. I'm, uh, I'm excited for everyone. That's already registered. The strong man is basically done. There's, we're waiting for the one final 20th, 19 of the 20 are officially registered.

We're waiting on that 20th one. And, uh, it's not like an open invite to anyone there's we're waiting on someone to fill out that registration and will be completed but we'll get that roster start circulating that roster out there soon so people can see it but i don't know if we talked did i talk about like the four classes i would just mention the four classes but maybe i already said this did we talk about those last week okay i won't i won't rehash it that i will i won't re re go over that

whole thing again but yeah so we're almost done with registration on that and then the power lifting you know registration is opening up early to the supporting members and then it won't be long until that's open to anyone else if there are any spots left and that's it what was our final count six six eight and a half was too much yeah so did I pick the under on that you picked the under you won that okay damn

that's all I cared about this whole episode six Brian I'm surprised there wasn't more to be honest I'm actually kind of I'm really surprised there wasn't more, to be honest. I'm actually kind of, I am really surprised there was not more Brian questions. Not bad though. Six.

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I found somebody DMed. I forgot about these. What drew you to Juggernaut AI in the first place? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure I was using Juggernaut AI before we were ever sponsored. I can tell you my origin story with it was, I believe Ross started using it before anyone, didn't he? Yes, he was the first one in the gym.

I remember him hyping it up a lot, and then me hearing that secondhand from you about how ross is like saying this is really good and then you were talking about how you were using it and then eventually you're like no like we're both using it like this is awesome and i'm like okay these guys know what they're doing if they think it's awesome and that's how i know it's good and that's that's yeah where it started that's what that's what drew me to it was mount r Rossmore was using it in the gym and having him show it to me and just looking at it being like, the fuck?

Now it's, I mean, most people have all seen that, but that was a very novel to me at the time where I'm like, wow, that is an app. That is a legit. This isn't just a spreadsheet in Google sheets. Right. So that was the first thing that drew me to it. And then it was a big deal for me to fork out the money for that.

Actually at the time, considering I'd never paid for anything training related like that, it was, I had to, I don't think I thought that long and hard about it once I'd actually sought, but that kind of says something, you know, how good I felt like I thought it was that I was willing to sign up for a

membership for it too. He also, this is all, this was from John Roy, not the Aberdeen, John Roy, the other John Roy. He also said on a night where you can kick back and relax, what are you drinking, eating, watching? Ooh, for me, well, all right. Yep, so for me lately, it's been Modelo. That was my Saturday night.

Everyone went to bed. I had a couple Modelos. Kick back and relax. Eating, I mean, I usually don't, after I eat dinner, I usually don't eat again that night unless I'm going to have ice cream or something. I'm not the type of guy that like has the the urge to eat at like eight nine ten eleven o'clock I mean do you eat before we go to bed we eat supper late but yeah but I mean after supper are you eating again before you go to bed there's no time it's like

after supper then it's like we're getting like there's no window there's no like we i eat so close to bedtime basically because uh i eat and then it's like you know i would have to be eating like 30 minutes after my meal you know and i just like i'm not gonna eat again i just i've just never i eat a lot in my meal and then i'm like full and i've never liked the idea of eating right before I go to bed. Something about eating and then going to bed has always felt weird to me. So that's never really been a thing. So I guess if they're going to make me eat something,

it's probably just going to be some type of junk ice cream or something like that. And then watching. Typically for me, I'm throwing something on YouTube, catching up on something from the subscription list, or I guess depending on the day of the week, if it's an interesting football game, I might watch it on Monday Night Football or something like that. Or, yeah, that's usually it.

I haven't really been working through shows lately just because life's been a little hectic. Yeah. If I was drinking a brewski, I won't be eating. If I'm eating, I won't be drinking a brewski, so I will do one or the other. If it's a brewski, which sometimes I do like just a brewski, and I like the feel of it as much as the taste.

I just like the thought of just having a brewski or two. The tea ceremony of it yeah yeah and it'll just be literally whatever we have yeah and i couldn't i really couldn't care for the course of one or two as long as it's not like super offensive and i know i talk about like i don't like ipas that well i don't even care if it's an ip like a lot of times it is an ipa because for one or two i almost like anything for one or two, as long as it's not like horrible, you know. So I don't care, but it would be a brewski.

It's not going to be a liquor drink or something. I'm not going to make a mixed drink or sit down with a big glass of scotch. Yeah, and go like this. We know how that is. Twirling it around we'd go like this. We know how that, if you listen, you know how that turns out for, I'm like, ah,

yeah, that sounds cool. And then I take it. I'm like, Oh, Oh, Oh, I was trying to relax here.

Now I want to puke. Yeah. Um, so it'd be a brewski, but if it's not a brewski and if it was fairly late in the evening, it would be a bowl of crisp cereal with a lot of milk in it. Really? That's what you'd pick, huh?

That's what I would have. That's what I occasionally, you know, like you said, ice cream. I don't really have ice cream. I would have, like if I was to have a dessert after supper, it would be a bowl of Crispix cereal. That does not sound appetizing to me one bit. Yeah. And part of it is just because I like the milk,

and it gives me an excuse other than just having a giant glass one bit. Yeah, part of it is just because I like the milk and it gives me an excuse other than just having a giant glass of milk. Or honestly, I could just have a big chocolate milk. I don't ever have that, but that just... I've never had chocolate milk and not liked it, I don't think. Well, to

be fair, some chocolate milk is a lot better than others. I've never had a good chocolate milk and not liked it i don't think well actually well to be fair some chocolate milk is a lot better than others i've never had a good chocolate milk and not liked it i'm also a big cottage cheese guy and sometimes you don't have cottage cheese in the evening and that just reverts back to the uh when i had early started lifting and uh cottage cheese is high casein protein a slow digesting protein that you would typically want before. It's the secret to all the gains. Yeah, like when I thought that some of that stuff mattered for what I was doing. Well, long before I was powerlifting,

just when I was like bro-lifting, you know, and be like, yeah, it's evening time, got to slam a half of a carton of cottage cheese so I don't go into a catabolic state in the middle of the night. My body just eating its muscle away while I'm sleeping. Yes, and that's the type of shit I would think. Well, we all kind of did. We all sort of did at some point.

I mean, none of those things are necessarily bad thought processes. You just start to realize, yeah, that doesn't probably really matter for what I'm doing. That's really low on the list of things to be concerned about. While I'm going out this weekend and having 20 beers. Yeah, right, right. And watch? God, I don't know. I do not know.

I have not watched anything. It would just be like a movie, probably any movie. Probably like the third Lord of the Rings movie. That's any movie that i could uh uh because i guess i just don't really like watching tv by myself that much is what i've decided anymore so any movie that i'd convince one of my family members to watch with me i mean lately it's the only things i've seen lately are disney movies i've actually really now that you say it i've watched a lot of disney movies my boy gotta give him credit for being three years old has a pretty damn good attention span he will sit for an entire movie

and just take it all in so i have been really catching up on my disney pixar catalog lately actually even and even the disney catalog for that matter but uh that's been most of my movie watching actually i shouldn't say that's been all of my movie watching as of late have you seen that movie i think it's pixar or something where it's like the elements. Yeah. Elemental. Elemental. I watched that one.

That wasn't too bad. Yeah. They do. I, we, we started it one day and he wasn't really, cause there's levels to the Pixar movies. Some are way simpler,

easier for kids. Others are, the story's a little more complex and that one is slightly more complex as a story goes there's a lot of uh undertones of like different of different cultures uh intermingling there yeah immigration and yeah cultures and all that there's all that going on and i thought it was very interesting and it's cool to look at and my boy just kind of checked out right away and then we turned it on again the other day. And for whatever reason, that day it just clicked with him. And so we got to watch basically the whole thing the other day.

And, yeah, I did enjoy that one. It was good. Okay, let's do a quick over-under. It would be like a three-topic over-under that I put together here. So you remember the rules of over-rated, under-rated time? I'm familiar with them. Sometimes, you know what, I'll be honest, sometimes I think people don't understand the rules based on what I hear feedback from. If I was to be critical of people, I feel like, although I have

gone over the rules in quite extensive detail hundreds of times, I feel like a lot of people there again, they have their druthers so people can do it wrong that's what i was gonna say really when you give people their druthers really the only rule is that they can't ride the line that's really the only that's true that's true uh but i would go back to leaning on the way i interpret the rules is that it is not is as simple as do i like the game isn't do i like do i tell me do you like this thing yes or no that is a much simpler less interesting game i think because as a matter of fact a lot of the

questions are picked off of things that we know you do like but we're actually curious if you think that that thing truly is underrated right right and that is where in lies the nuance of over under in my opinion but there again everyone has their druthers so they are allowed to incorrectly play the game if that's how they do so overrated or underrated yeah oled tvs that's funny i was telling you i did just buy a new tv i did not buy an oled because uh i wanted to go relatively big and i just can't bring myself to spend over two thousand dollars on a tv yet so that's that's where i would have been in oled territory but seeing them in person they are pretty damn impressive i believe the exact words i used to you are i think they might make things

better than they look in real life it is it some of the granted the demos are designed to make them look as crazy as possible but they do look really really good um i do think they're probably underrated because unless you're a tv nerd i don't think people really actually even know what they are or or actually if you talk to my dad it's like oh i any tv nowadays they're all just so good which he is right to a certain extent he kind of is but i kind of get that that's an old person thing to say but i also kind of get it too yes and i guess i'm kind of old so that's probably why i mean compared to any tv we had growing up yes they're infinitely better it's not even it's not even a it's a it's a whole

different ball game now but um i do think they're underrated because i actually don't think a lot of people even realize one that these exist and what they are i think people just think oh there's just a more expensive tv well walmart has the same thing why do i you already pay more but uh if you are aware of details and you can appreciate those things i think it's not the worst way to spend money and if like watching tv is your hobby it's right that's the difference it still is relatively cheap at the end of the day when you think about it if you have a tv for right that's the difference it still is relatively cheap at the end of the day when you think about it if you have a tv for five that's what i said they're still like way freaking cheaper than like 10 15 years ago like they're even the most expensive ones now are you

know you're getting like twice well you're getting like 10 times the tv and if yeah if you are a person like your hobby is watching movies and watching TV shows, it's still pretty damn cheap at the end of the day. If you go from a, say, $1,000 TV to a $2,500 TV over the course of six years, if you really want to think about it that way, you spent marginally more over the course of six years to potentially enjoy your hobby much more. Yeah. So what did you say? I did say underrated. Okay. I don't really have even enough of an informed opinion on OLED TVs.

What I would just say, though, is like giant TVs are so cheap. They are. You know, like it's just... If you wanted to just... Like TV... But I don't care about the details for myself because I don't watch very much, so that's probably why I don't... I literally details for myself because I don't watch very much. So that's probably why I don't.

I literally don't know if I could know. Like if I watch it in the store and I see the two, I'm going to be able to see a difference. I'm not blind. Yeah. But then I don't know if I actually care at all. Some of it is you don't know what you don't know. So once someone explains to you some of the imperfections like this is blooming and this is this thing like what and so once you start to understand like this is where cheap tvs fail

then then you're aware of it and then at that point the illusion starts to break and you're like ah damn it now i know what's wrong yeah you know it's the same thing with lots of stuff in the gym equipment world too you know once someone makes you aware of this is well yeah that part doesn't have set like you once you when you don't know any of that stuff, you're like, I don't care what bar. I don't know. It's a bar you put place on it. This one just stays in my hands better.

I don't know what type of knurling this one has. And then once you start to become aware of those things, it does start to ruin some of it for you. So there is a little bit of ignorance's bliss with some of that. Yeah. Overrated or underrated knee sleeves this harkens back to the most recent mini reels that i've made over the last i do think knee sleeves are overrated uh as a guy that wears knee sleeves and doesn't have a

problem with knee sleeves i do still think they're over, I do still think they're overrated. Where I really think they're overrated is I think it's really lame, this game people are playing of trying to get the most aggressive, tightest knee sleeve to go, to add 10 pounds to their squat total or whatever the hell they're doing so they can go and sit in, go to a local powerlifting meet

and place fifth instead of fifth. You know, like not like not even i mean it's like you're just playing get your you know in your head you're not actually stronger you're just playing games for the sake of meat day and okay that's just what equipped lifting is which is fine but that's what equipped lifting is that's why i think the whole knee sleeve thing is kind of lame that's why i don't care one bit about buying a more aggressive knee sleeve like let's just say I'm at my best and I can squat 550 again. And then, uh, okay. I buy the more aggressive knee sleeve and that day now on meat day, I squat 565. It's a bigger number. I don't really feel better in my head that I'm stronger. I just know I just bought the right equipment. So it's less exciting. I don't,

I just, the way my brain thinks about it, I care and when i do powerlifting meets i'm not competing against i'm just my mentality i'm competing against myself so i'm just it just feels like i'm playing it's like oh uh i someone someone put their toe on the on the scale so i weigh slightly heavier and no one else saw it except for me it's like no you're just playing games with yourself now you know you know what's going on here that's my opinion on it yeah but see that's how you but that being said you wear knee sleeves i do wear knee sleeves use these sleeves and see that's where i think a good case of people misinterpreting what the what overrated it is potentially even mean to someone and yeah i mean i'll still i actually it's been a while it's probably been six months

since i've actually been a while yeah because they're annoying to put on if you have if they're as long as they're not like really loose they're annoying to put on and uh so i don't even bother putting them on unless it's like getting up to heavier sets uh with that being said though i would pick a belt any day of the week over a pair of knee sleeves yeah what would you uh that was part of something we had talked about i i mean i a belt i feel like does so much more than these like it's not even those are two complete those are not comparable like uh tiers of no equipment no not even not one bit at all um when you get the belt is number one when you get the belt. I mean, belt is number one.

When you get the belt in position and you breathe into it just right, I mean, especially on a squat. I can understand a little bit on deadlift how people have a little more room, but like a squat, when you breathe into that belt just right, all of a sudden your upper body, you're 100% locked in. Yeah, it's just you're made of stone it does not move at all that's not even a factor in the lift at all uh that's why I love the belt for squat but uh honestly that'd be the only really thing I need um yeah I mean sometimes if I'm doing volume

work for squats I actually would prefer wrist wraps over over uh knee sleeves because there are positions especially for doing low bar where your wrists can get really cranked in there where wraps can provide a little bit more comfort but uh belt would be actually to this day belt is the the thing i use the most yeah if i only got one thing outside of just like the bit taking maybe even shoes out of the equation because like you have to wear shoes no matter what like belt would be the one thing i think for sure yep yeah okay so overrated or under well let's see last topic here we talked about pumpkin pie quite a bit let's not do pumpkin pie because maybe that's the low-hanging fruit pumpkin is a fruit uh overrated or underrated uh pecan pie pecan pie i did not like

pecan pie when i was younger i would have 100 told you it was overrated because people do like it and i hate it putting like nuts on a pie yeah but then when you realize it's actually mostly just this insane sugar uh jelly of some kind. And then there's baked nuts on it that you don't even really know that they're nuts. You just, there's this sugar jelly. It's pretty damn good. I do like it a lot now.

But is it overrated, underrated? It is a pretty highly ranked pie in my opinion. So, but there's some people that still don't like it so that's i don't maybe it is underrated maybe it is it might actually be underrated now that i think about it it is one of my favorite pies i think it's amazing i think it's really good i'd pick that a top five pie for you for sure yeah if we're talking actual pie like i'm not saying like cheesecake or anything like that if we're saying like apple pie pumpkin pie pecan pie cherry pie what else even is there for pies i don't know peach now i see and i any fruit no no no no i don't like that stuff i mean apple's

good cherries okay it's fine i do not like cherry pie that would be okay i don't even really like i do not like the cherry syrup goop crap and i don't even really like i do not like the cherry syrup goop crap and i don't even really like cherries but cherry pie is okay i mean to me it's it's a pie so anything's kind of good in a pie but yeah peach no that would be that's very low lemon meringue is a very popular it's i don't really care for that one too much either i think i actually would chocolate pie is i guess a too. And as a guy that likes chocolate, I would even say chocolate pie is a little overrated. But it just doesn't work as good in a pie, I don't think.

Pumpkin pie is maybe the best pie. Pumpkin pie is really tough to beat. That was my favorite forever. It is a classic, you know, just simple, delicious. You got to get a little cool whip on there take it up a notch uh pumpkin pie is great but i still i think i am going to say pecan pie is underrated underrated okay that's a tricky one i don't know what i would say i'm thank god i'm not on the hot seat would you if they're if they're thanksgiving dinner the only dessert available is pecan pie

are you going to have a piece i'm i am notably on record as i don't eat very much desserts and i would still lend towards using my available space more towards the main course uh so the answer it could just depend sometimes i might sometimes i might just be like ah frig it i haven't had any sort of dessert in so long. Let's just try something. But pecan pie is not what I want to waste it on, I guess is what I would say. Like, I might, I might do it. And I might just say, like, oh, I'll have, like, half a piece or something.

And then I'll usually eat it and be like, wasn't worth it. I'll just be like. For me, Thanksgiving is that time where, like always, you have to just eat yourself to a point where right oh and i definitely do that like you've actually done some damage like you're intentionally eating as fast as you can so you can stay in front of that that hunger reflex that tells you you're full so you just do as much damage as possible and then you get done you think all right there's no way i could eat i could possibly eat anymore it's like okay i'll actually eat dessert relatively soon here and uh this thanksgiving is the one time where i'm like

there's three desserts i'm gonna do all three of them like in a full full serving of each one of them you know full slice yeah and uh then later in like a couple hours when i think i'm feeling kind of normal again i'll probably have some more uh that's assuming i'm not eating cookies and other shit in the meantime well isn't it funny how you can be like oh no i'm stuffed i couldn't have another bite and it's like oh but do you want dessert and you're like well yeah i'm actually probably pretty good something that's just so dense and rich and just intense yeah yeah i bring that one on it is funny but your brain plays tricks on you i guess there's always more room that that's uh i've never done a diet like this or anything, but it does make me think a reason why something like a carnivore diet

could be effective in terms of weight loss. Because if you're like, say the only thing you get to eat is meat, you're just eventually going to be like, nah, I'm good. It's like, yeah, I just ate 12 ounces. Do you want, here, do you want four more ounces of meat or do you want to just stop eating? I'll probably stop. I don't know. I know know but that's i know i sometimes i think people give the carnivore

diet too much credit because it's just oh you're on an incredibly restrictive diet like that's right that's right oh you mean your diet worked because you're limited to like four kinds of food oh wow how profound well just be like if you're on the bodybuilding diet of own bodybuilding diet of only chicken rice and broccoli yeah you can't get very fat because you're on the bodybuilding diet of old bodybuilding diet of only chicken rice and broccoli yeah you can't get very fat because you're just eventually like i just don't want to eat that like it's just i just don't want to eat it anymore we talked about this with mike probably or someone recently too and i just get that where you're like i'm just good on that it wasn't he talking about that well he talked yeah he talked about the uh what whatever that property is called of food satiation or whatever the hell it is.

Where the better food tastes, the more you want it. And for the most part, bodybuilding and these restrictive diets, the food is fine. But it's not something that all day, every day, you just want to eat more and more of. Plus, there's not a ton of variety either. I feel like you just get sick of eating it so that you're like i'm full enough and that's i'm good that you know i'm like i'm full enough i don't need to eat more yeah if you tell your brain this is all you get then uh things get pretty boring in a hurry and the right you know the novelty factor isn't there so you just food

eating gets a lot less fun yeah i think if i really wanted to diet though that's what i do is i would actually just limit my food choices oh it would be the number one thing if you make that if you make that hard rule it'd be so easy yeah that's yeah i mean the the the devil lies in the being able to adhere to you know what you what you set there and that's where where you know what people can't do because you're like no fuck it i'm ordering a whole pizza and then you eat the whole pizza i don't i just naturally have like a pretty low uh appetite where i could just i i mean in the past where i've lost weight so spring is like nope just don't really eat anymore just not really that hungry right right right right i wouldn't have to do anything restrictive i could just lose the weight just

because i could just not eat for the most part. Great news, Tommy. It looks like you passed. The special Thanksgiving edition. We've done special Thanksgiving editions before. We've done pies before. I'm pretty sure we've done... I'd be shocked if we haven't done one of one of the pies we mentioned.

Yeah, I'm I'm positive we've done pumpkin pie. I would just I would bet a thousand dollars. We've done pumpkin pie on over under before. I think that's a very safe bet. Yeah. So everyone this week, it is Thanksgiving week. Nobody gives a crap about that. It's really Black Friday Masonomics week.

Make sure to be on the lookout for everything that we've got in store this Black Friday. I think it's going to be a good one. It's shaping up to be something pretty special. I think it's going to be our best Black Friday ever. And you're going to love it. Yeah, it's the power of positive

thought. Stay on the lookout for that become a supporting member talked about our youtube channel get over there and subscribe we'd love to have those numbers keep on creeping up tommy where do they find you i'm a creep i'm a weird oh sorry it's radiohead just in case you didn't know okay yeah no i was gonna ask him like i know that song but i can't so that's radiohead, I don't think they play it live. I think they quit playing that song live a long, long time ago. Because I think they decided that's not really,

I don't know if it's the commercial success of that song that they didn't like or what. But I read one time that they just don't play that song live anymore. It's maybe been over 10 years since they've played that song live. It doesn't make the cut. Luckily, though, they have a very deep track list. Lots of other great stuff in there. Are you a Radiohead fan at all?

Have you ever listened to Radiohead, Tanner? No, I'm not a not. I'm not anti-Radiohead, but I'm not a Radiohead fan. Much like most music, I find myself, I could enjoy it, but I'm not going to seek it out. Actually, just saying this right now, I'm going to listen to some Radiohead tomorrow. It's no butt rock.

No, it's no butt rock. Not butt rock lines, but this morning during my working hours, I was really rocking some Sum 41. Man, Sum 41 used to be like my favorite back in the day. They were, okay. I mean, Blink 182 was also my favorite,

but some 41 was very Blink 182 adjacent. Maybe, you know, they never got the, they never got the critical success that Blink 182 had, but they also kept things just as fun. All the small things that Blink 182 did. Yeah.

Must've spent all those small things. You know, they they said where are you and it just worked for them but uh some 41 man they they're good they're good it's a great great way to uh pass the time have you listened to any of that new blink no i thought about it today i'm like oh tanner said i should listen to that and i should but i also really want to listen to some 41 and i said i'll do some 41 so they're playing that blink 182 song on the radio all the time now who's that didn't one time frick that younger chick that they play her music all the time now i thought you're one time you said it's one of your uh surprise music artists that you kind of enjoy or like a guilty pleasure music artist billy eilish or no not billy eilish

i kind of like hers though she's kind of good but olivia rodrigo or yeah olivia rodrigo didn't you say that one time i don't know dude i might have i i think i i think i can you said i can get why i definitely get why oh like the the one she had you know the driver's license and all that stuff you know these big ballads i get why people like that music and it's you can sing along to it and it's this anthem and it's this emotional ballad i mean she is talented too i haven't oh bad i bad idea right yeah that's her song that's on the radio all the time and i did have you heard that song i've listened to a few songs from her new album i don't know if i've heard that one yet.

I think I have because I'm pretty sure I played the whole album through. I'm sure if I heard it, I would recognize it. I went like 15 hours in the car the other day, and they played Bad Idea Right and that Blink-182 song. Went through multiple stations. Is the Bad Idea Right, is that the one about meeting her ex-boyfriend or whatever? Yeah. Okay, yes, yes. I've heard that one a thousand times too then yeah

i wasn't for sure what that one was called yeah yeah yeah there's that one and i think vampires that sounds like every song that everyone yeah right did i just narrow down the song it's someone with their ex like oh is it a taylor swift song where she's like uh getting back at her ex or something like oh, you mean all of them? I've actually, so I've got to just see right now what's in the top charts. Top songs for USA on Spotify. Top two songs, Taylor Swift. The third one, I Remember Everything, Zach Bryan, Casey Musgraves.

Are you a Zach Bryan guy, Tanner? Mary is a huge, Mary's to uh Zach Bryan okay I thought I'd remember hearing you say okay I thought I'd remember but now that he's going mainstream I always whenever they go whenever they go means I actually Mary is a big Zach my wife is a big Zach Bryan fan I am very moderate on Zach Bryan but uh he is, he is a prolific songwriter. There's no doubt about that. I, um, and he does albums with a ton of songs on it.

And, um, so I got to give him some credit there, but, uh, I am not a huge Zach Bryant fan. I'll go on record as saying that, although like I,

I don't mind, but he, Mary loves him. And I just, but people saying that. Although, like, I don't mind, but Mary loves him. But people do love that kind of, you know, it's sort of old school country a little bit, and the guy's kind of raspy, and, you know, it's got that feel of nostalgia and, like, old folk music to it. People love that. Zach Bryan should fall into who I really like,

but what I would say is I've kind of grown to not really like Zach, not so much his music as so much as Zach Bryan, and part of it is he's on the Joe Rogan podcast, and I listened to it because I was intrigued because I thought I do kind of like Zach Bryan, and got to say, not blown away by anything that I heard from him sitting there where I just left thinking. You hurt your legacy? Well and I don't know I was just like you lost a fan and I'm like did you go

to did you go to the Joe Rogan post and said unfollowing things no no I just thought like because I maybe I get used to listening people on there and I'm like oh this guy's pretty interesting and I'll be like that you know I'm like I'm really interested in this person now because they were they really kind of surprised me and he was just like i'm a dude that makes music right right and it's just there didn't seem to be that much there in my opinion and then the other thing this is a very minor thing and i you shouldn't you know you could shouldn't judge someone by just uh short things but there is this clip of him and he gets pulled over by a local police officer and he is such a douche bag that he's like

pulling like the don't you know who I am and like I know all the you know I'm gonna like basically pulling the card like A don't you know who I am and then like he's gonna get a hold of all of his cop buddies and like and he did gonna get a get a hold of all of his cop buddies and like uh like and he did

something wrong i don't remember what it was it was this was no major thing it wasn't like i just admit man you fucked up right you got caught and i'm like deal with it i'm like why are you so worried about it why do you care if you get a little traffic ticket and you know i'm like just and i just thought that that's like the such a douchey move to just be like, pull, pull, don't you know who I am? Which is almost exactly what he said. And he was kind of being cocky about it at first. And then once he could tell that none of that was working, he was kind of starting to backtrack it.

And he's like referred to himself then. He's like, yeah, I'm just a young dude. Like, like kind of almost like, like he was backtracking. Like you'd have to listen to it. I've not seen any of this. That's, and you said, you idiot, you made the the first mistake you put your sticker on the back of the car that way the cop knows he knows what team you're on then you give him a mass economics calendar and he's like okay you put your brand sticker on the back of the car that you know what they're coming

up with and that is i'm really overblowing it just a really minor thing but just it was just i get it those are those things that just kind of rub you the wrong way or. Right. And I'm just like, I don't know. Are you, are you this down home country guy? Or are you this, do you know who I am? Famous guy, you know? That's right.

Right. That's kind of what's, what that made me think. So that's my take. I'm Zach Bryan. Way too long winded. All right. Well, since we got that one, we have nothing but time, you know, next, you know, who else is really high in the Spotify charts, Tanner?

one we have nothing but time you know next you know who else is really high in the spotify charts tanner it's not quite that same vein but but adjacent morgan wallen is always up there too yeah and if i had to guess i'd say you're not a big morgan wallen fan no morgan wallen's not doesn't he doesn't really butter my bread either very much so people love him though they go crazy for yeah that's it's the from from me being a complete outsider to country it feels like this is the new wave of country is this zach bryan morgan wallen uh was i feel like there's zach bryan is better than morgan wall i know there's another big guy though in the group right now isn't there another big country guy luke combs yeah there you go yes that's exactly what i was thinking of yeah he would be in there and morgan wallen is my least favorite out of that group definitely he takes

the most pop approach luke combs on the alternative to the opposite of zach bryan where i was hot on zach bryan and then maybe cooled i was uh cooler on luke combs and then after seeing him in concert and the way he uh performed and the way he handled himself with fans i became like i 10x my luke combs uh liking just based on like these other things i noticed about him where i'm like wait a second this guy actually seems from my little tiny bit of experience like a good dude and then that makes me like him way better yeah you know like i don't think most people probably don't choose what music they like based on what kind of a human the people are.

They're just like, because a lot of people are. But it can make you like an artist more, though. Right, right. Like, that's not an unusual thing. So that, Luke Combs had the opposite. Zach Bryan, Luke Combs kind of flip-flopped for me there. Interesting. Okay.

Okay, well. Is that, did we cover modern country there i think so i did listen to elon speaking of rogan it just made me think i did listen to elon musk and i listened to he was on rogan and uh yeah when did you listen to both of them or i listened to parts of the other one yeah lex for yeah i listened uh i got i couldn't finish the lex friedman one, um, because they were talking so much about war and stuff. And it was just like,

that's what, uh, that's what, okay. Lex Friedman in general. Sometimes I feel like he gets out of his element because I shouldn't say out of his element, but you're out of your own element. Donnie.

Yeah. Like the foreign. Okay. you're out of your own element donnie yeah like the for any okay like obviously not a lot of reporters have been to war so they're just talking about and they you know they they haven't been enlisted they haven't done anything so they're just talking about from like a distant third person they've read about it in books and maybe watched i mean their experiences right they've read about it in books and studied about it more than your average person maybe like that's their so i always right it always feels weird when people are talking about war that don't really have any idea about war other than the the abstract idea of it and even and i this is a guy that also is in that same boat but i always feel

like oh these are just people two people think talking about how they think war should go and i'm like that's not actually how the world works. So that part I have struggled with, listening to that. And even on those same lines, like Lex Friedman had one with a divorce lawyer not that long ago. Did you ever listen to that one? No. Maybe you or someone was telling me about it. I don't know if we ever talked about it.

Somebody told, someone brought that up to me. It must have been someone else that listens to it. It was interesting in a lot of, I mean, just relationship parts that they talk about and all that. But Lex, I think he's a single guy. I don't think he has a significant other. I mean, he's not married. I know that for sure. And I don't even know if he has a significant other.

You know, when you're talking about people in these like deep, just possibly the most traumatic moments of their life. And him saying how he thinks people should act. I'm like, it's really hard to say, or it's really easy to say how you think people should act when you haven't gone through. Maybe, you know,

you got to feel for people when they're like cheating, like people have kids and they think they've devoted their lives to each other. And they find out that this other person was cheating on them. Don't it. I can understand how people are not like, Oh, like let's shake hands and say that one's under the water under the bridge let's move on

he's like why can't people just move on I'm like that kind of sounds like a guy that's never been in like a real relationship before so some of those I get the feeling that maybe he's out of his element to touch on yeah I could see that and like with the war part of it the only part I liked about that episode is they did

reference 1984 and Brave New World both and I have now since read What I liked about that episode is they did reference 1984 and brave new world both. Oh, and I have now since read both of those and I've been waiting for these times to come up, but every time they get referenced now, I'm like,

I really deeply understand that reference that you're making there. Like I, it seems like, it seems like Lex references one of those books almost every episode all the time. Too much. Yeah. Like way too, like how does it come up so much

like he really bases a lot around utopia future utopia versus future dystopia and then varying levels of variances of future dystopia that comes up so often it does it does to the point where sometimes it's it's interesting at times but other times it's just uh this is just two dudes talking about the way they think things ought to be and i'm like well it's i don't know it's also him getting i guess it's you know we ask every guest uh what they what what what measure of strength is the best measure he asked i have to talk to everyone regardless of what their expertise is, about the future of AI.

I know. Like when we think the... I think the one he asked, Matthew McConaughey, and I'm like, I don't know, just Matthew. And he's like, it's love, it's love, man. That's not the right answer here. Whatever he said, I just remember thinking, you could have said that to almost anything

because that answer doesn't really apply to what was just asked of you. And that was not the appropriate question for, for this guest. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I'm with you on that one.

Oh, I have one final music thing for us, Tanner. Yeah. I have one final music thing because Creed, because. Yeah. I have one final music thing. Because Creed is somewhat being memed back into existence. Yeah. I had to channel that I reference on here before the Punk Rock MBA. I had to go watch his Creed video.

Was it good? So admittedly, I know almost nothing about the band. I think I even said the last time. No, like nothing about them. Don't know a thing. Yeah. Scott Stapp has a very interesting history. Oh, isn't he a dirt ball?

Well, yeah. I mean, as of more recently, yeah, that was kind of the reason the band broke up and everything was because he was just partying and doing other stuff. I just barely maybe knew that or something. Yeah, so yeah. And then interesting, but the guy gave some perspective. He goes, got to realize scott's i think scott's dad oh yeah scott's dad just like i think it said when he was three years old just got up and left and they

never saw him again just gone forever so that was like he's like you gotta understand that's incredibly traumatic for a kid just 100 and then his next dad his stepdad then was this dentist and this he was super abusive he said he pulled all of his teeth out when he was like eight or nine or something, abused him like crazy. So then you're like, okay, this guy lived a really pretty rough life from the beginning. And I think they said he ran away from home at like 16, never came back. So interesting learning about the beginning there. And it said, you know, his faith was always a big part of who he was.

They were never set out to be a Christian band. He just had a lot of faith in his, you know, a lot of Christian themes in his lyrics because that was something that he related to. But they never identified as a Christian band. So, you know, it would be funny if they made like a Creed docu drama and it's like he's his it shows him getting his teeth pulled by his stepdad and then he's like you know what i just want to get like six feet from the edge you know like how those stupid movies how they like have these moments that like where they like it's like johnny cash yeah he just knew this his whole life yeah yeah um so there was that part of it and it said how they basically went from being,

I think, I think it said they're a band out of Jacksonville. I think they're from Jacksonville, Florida. I have to ask big Jeff about it. He probably was there when they were coming up through the scene, but it said they basically over the course of six months went from being a local band to selling out Madison square garden, which is insane that I think they had a quote at one point.

It said, he's like, we went from having no money, like zero money to be making hundreds of thousands of dollars per day and he goes like life changed so fast so that's kind of wild uh the craziest thing I didn't know that him and Kid Rock have a sex tape with like four or five women together and uh Kid Rock or whoever they've like sued to like not have this thing get out there, I don't know the extent to it, but did not know that existed,

did not know that was a thing. Talk about ba with the ba. So there's that. And then maybe the most incredible part of this, I shouldn't say incredible, but coincidental, Scott Stapp tried to commit suicide, jumped off of whatever floor of his hotel building and landed i think on the roof of a different part of the hotel building the guy who found him none other than

rapper ti was out on his balcony smoking a blunt and he heard a guy screaming and uh they they eventually tell the cops you know that someone's got to go help this guy. Turns out T.I. saved Scott Stapp's life. What a story. So T.I. came to him with arms wide open. He did. That's what would happen in the movie. Scott Stapp's laying there and then he sees T.I.

I gotta ask you, just based off of what you know, the lyrics in your mind, what do you think that song is about in your mind? I don't even know the lyrics well enough. I guess with arms wide open, I would say it's like God welcoming you. The lyrics are, with arms wide open, welcome to this place, I'll show you everything.

To me, that's God showing you heaven, isn't it? That was always what my, without even honestly really even know the rest of the words, that was my mental picture of what that was. I guess that's his song he wrote for his daughter or something. She's born.

So he's the one showing her the world and all that. Makes a little more sense actually when you take it in that context. But it's also part of it why you go to that, why you think, why we would think what you would think is the context of their greater works where you're like, well, it's a creed song and they kind of always think, sing about stuff like this. So then you just start to immediately think that maybe if it was somebody else, you don't immediately think that it's a, that that's what it is.

But when it's very true. Yeah. Yeah. In the, based off of their previous work and the other things that, that makes sense. I think that that was mostly everything. I didn't know. Okay, have you ever heard of the band Alter Bridge? No.

Just will say no. Has I seen it? No. After Scott left, the other members went on to form the band Alter Bridge, which I have definitely heard of. But that was where that was at but apparently now they're back together scott went to some addiction things he became a bad alcoholic you know that type that whole thing uh and then the band broke up because of that uh but as of late

they have apparently mended whatever they had and they're ready to take on the world again i really want to see the movie where these things happen and it's like he comes up with the songs. It's inspiration for all the lyrics of all the songs. And I want it to be like, what's his name? Is it Donald Driver? Is that his name? What's the Star Wars guy?

Donald Driver. Yeah, I was i was gonna say isn't that a am i talking about football right now adam driver driver yeah yeah the donald driver thought was really throwing me for a little time like i just want adam driver just because he's like the hollywood guy just let him play and also let him be like four other people in the movie too just let him be like half of the cast he's he's scott stapp and actually the rest of the band too it's all it's all adam driver it's all just adam driver and donald driver we could donald driver can be in the movie too he doesn't have to sit out he can be ti he could be finding adam driver with his broken legs on the hotel yeah and it also did

say that uh that was one of two suicide attempts that ti managed to to stop in his life so ti has stopped two people from committing suicide wow quite the Quite the life, huh? That's, that is, I guess you really can have whatever you like. As long as it's not killing yourself. As long as it's staying alive,

you can have whatever you like. Yeah. All right. Should we land this? Yeah, let's wrap her up. Let's wrap her up. All right. that's it tommy where do they find you at you can find me at tomahawk underscore d follow me at tanner

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