Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 429: Smith Machines are Underrated

Episode Date: June 24, 2024

Where did the smith machine come from? Do they belong in commercial gyms? What about home gyms? We dive deep into this controversial piece of gym equipment. We also go over out body fat %, Dorian Yates’ sandpaper skin, and the best shirt we’ve ever made (possibly). Build Fast Formula Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! BearFoot Shoes Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10% on every order! Juggernaut AI Use code MASSENOMICS to save 10%! The Strength Co Get some Go-To Plates! Swiss Link Use code MASS to save 15%! Texas Power Bars Get the Barbell that changed the game!

Thanks for what you do with your podcasts and all the rest. You're doing a great job. I hope everybody keeps tuning in. You get a lot of good info, a lot of insights, understandings on how to get strong, how to stay strong, how to use your strength. You do a great job, dude. You make things better than they are in real life, I think.

If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics! everything massonomics welcome back everyone for a very very special episode 429 of the massonomics podcast we are the lifting podcast about nothing my name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy. Tommy, I barely made it in for this one. I was just behind the eight ball. Just in the nick of time. I thought we were going to have to end our streak, but they said, nah, we'll keep it going with 429.

Hell no, we won't go. You can't hardly quit now, can you? Nope. Can't hold anything back. You can't hold anything back. You can't quit now. We do have several exciting things we're going to talk about today, not the least of which is Juggernaut AI.

It's the training that Tommy is using right now. Actually, more on this later, but I did see a piece of breaking news that I saw break across uh instagram related to you actually i saw your name pop up on a list that hadn't officially seen uh on a list yet before okay i'm not just talking about the sex offender list okay all right let's let's hold that we'll get to more on that but uh first juggernaut ai, the programming that Tommy is using, I've seen him hit some big numbers. Actually, this weekend I got to watch Big Tommy, Big Grayson, and Big Aff all hit some really big benches on their Juggernaut AI training.

So I have seen it. I've used it firsthand and seen it work firsthand many, many times and seen it work well. You can check it out and find out more information at juggernautai.app. It's great phasic structure training that will help peak you towards a meet or just testing some big lifts in the gym. So if you're a squat bench deadlift sort of guy or gal, give it a shot. The best part is you can use discount code MASSANOMICS and it'll save you 10 for the lifetime of that membership juggernautai.app and this episode of massonomics podcast is also brought to you by barefoot shoes if you had head on over to barefoot.store you can find our favorite

barefoot shoes on the market today tanner and i wear these suckers in and out of the gym all year long, whether it's the Ursus high top for our favorite gym day or the Bruin boot when we need to conquer the Dakota tundra or the Dakota whatever weather it's throwing at us any time of the year. Also, little thing, Barefoot also appears to be having a collaboration with Pioneer Fit at the moment. Tanner, are you aware of this? Oh, real cool, Pioneer Foot. I wonder where you got that idea from. Just kidding.

Let's just say we're the trailblazers in this arrangement here. The shoes does look cool. Have you seen it? It does look cool, yes. Yes, so that's another collaboration to their list of growing collaborations. And I know if you listen to this podcast, there's a good chance you're also a fan of everything that Pioneer has going on with their belts

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Thank you, Barefoot Shoes. Thanks, Barefoot. Tommy, I guess we probably really need to come clean. This isn't easy for us when we very rarely do we lie or very rarely at least do we get caught in a lie. But last week, I don't know if you can recall back to the podcast episode we said we're gonna have a uh a drop coming out yes i do recall that we said on the 20th which would be as of recording that's tomorrow but as of the time of this podcast that would be in the past funny time loop thing there but no drop on the 20th we canceled we didn't cancel it we postponed

the drop that was supposed to be of june 20th uh but we did it for very good reason so here's out there's some developing situations that yeah don't everyone's gonna be better off for don't burn us at the stake just yet because we did have a last minute not last minute in us you know ordering it and going down this road but very last minute that we found out we're actually going to have it relatively in time so we're just all we need to do is push the drop back one week and we can have this very uh special very unique very new very sought after we believe item in the drop that we wouldn't have been able to include there if we hadn't waited one more week for this. So the drop date is now going to move to June 27th.

That'll be this upcoming Thursday, June 27th, 4 p.m. Western Northeast South Dakota time. Of course, unless you're in the supporting member crew, you might get a little early access. But for the rest of you, it would be 4 p.m. Western Northeast South Dakota time. And we've got a couple of teas in there. And then this other top secret item that cannot be named at this point in time.

But it was worth the additional one week wait. It's not often that the shipping system surprises you when things come a week or two early. But in this case, they surprised us, so we had to call an audible. So we've got that to look forward to, that drop. We're going to leave two of those three things a mystery. We're not going to talk about that extra special top secret highly sought-after item uh will be desirable uh it's also very limited quantity one very limited to the point that uh certainly some of the sizing will sell out really quickly so that one do not sleep on this drop if you're a massonomics long time

massonomics fan there's something in there you've never had the chance to get that many will be dying to get their hands on um but there's also a mystery mystery tea in there but we were going to talk about one of the teas and we're going to talk about it because spoiler alert i couldn't help but start wearing this shirt anyways so people have been seeing it it's been popping up right you know it's yeah and also our youtube video tomorrow i'm going to be wearing it during the whole yes it's worn extensively and that's a very long youtube video so people will see it there should we do the unveiling here the official yeah let's do the unveiling oh wait let to tease it even more before we even show it i would say this is i always have recency biases on a recency bias on our drop so i always like the new shit but this is my favorite mass

anomic shirt for a number of reasons that we can talk about here still but i wore this to lift this weekend at our uh meet up there and i love this shirt pass the test i might take more than one of these like to keep in my personal collection i've I don't know that I've ever done that, and I'm actually considering doing that right now, the exact same shirt, because I'm like, I don't want to wait until this is clean again. I want to be able to wear it almost all the time. So should we tease one more thing with this?

Yeah. And just get right out in front of this and say, this is. Yes, this is important. This is. Like, is there an alert button? I don't have an alert. What do I have? Let me see what I got here.

Nope. Oh, here we go. That's. Oh, it was disturbed. Yeah, that's kind of like that's attention grabbing at the very least. Yes, it is important. Go ahead. It is on a new blank. and this is a blank unlike any blank

we've ever used before we broke the blank mold essentially with this one we have not used a blank of this so this is a completely new blank yes completely new blank so this is on a take all your preconceived blank notions and throw them in the garbage for this one. This is on 100% cotton. It's similar to the Pocket Tee that we had had in the past, but this is even bigger and boxier than the Pocket Tee. It is oversized and boxy. Oversized is a fair word to use on this one. That is right, Big David. It is oversized.

So without further ado, here is the design. What's the official name for this, Tanner? I think it's the Lifting Department Tee. There we go, yes. This is the Massan's the official name for this tanner the i think it's the lifting department there we go yes this is the massonomics lifting department t it's on an old school bluish t is this showing up i can't see i can see it uh yeah i mean i can see it on the zoom i assume it's coming through on yeah you can see it on my camera too. I've got it here on my camera. So it's just got that big old school print to it. It's like a faded Navy color. Yes. And just in large,

large type, it says property of massonomics lifting department established 2014 WNESD Western Northeast South Dakota, obviously. And then in the middle, we have the little MSS NMx badge that it uh fits over everything and tanner does this does actually have not even put it on yet i had it in the box i brought it down just before this does this does run big correct yeah i mean if you look at me like there's

a video of me dead lifting in it the thing is like okay that was your normal size that you have that's a 2x like what i normally like i'm wearing a 2X of this, and you see what this does, is doing on my arms right now? This one, like, there's just like excess material everywhere. Yeah, so by comparison, this might run a full-size big, maybe even more, depending on. Yes, at least in certain ways it's more. Yeah, in certain ways, like in your arms. Actually, this is a 3X.

I'm actually lying. I am wearing a 3X, actually, this is a 3X. I'm actually lying. I am wearing a 3X of this shirt right now. So, yes, at least in some regards, it does run more than a size. It's not even really comparable, actually, because it's just such a completely different fit. Yeah, it's not fitted in any way. Some questions, does it run big? Yeah, that's what we're addressing there.

I think that it only actually goes up to 3X. Normally, we stock 4X, but if you normally bought a 4X, you could get this in 3X, and it's probably going to fit better depending on how you like it to fit, actually. But just a nice, generous cut. I love the way it feels. I actually love everything. It's that thicker, slightly rougher feel to it. Yes, the neck, the fit, the material, and the design, for that matter. It's a big, bold front design, but also a simple front design.

I'm all about it. I hope it sells well because I would love to go ahead and run this in another color at some point in time. I would too. I pray that it does because I'm just like, we might just have to order a whole batch of these just so I can get a couple more for myself at that point. Every day of the week.

This would be like, this is going to be going out, going to the gym, going everywhere. This is kind of my new, this is my new jam. I'm real high on this right now. Big David also said, can't wait to wear this with short shorts, so you can't tell if I'm wearing anything down below at all. If your shorts are short enough and your tee, you do size it right, it will totally have that look.

Yep. Big fan of that one. I can't stress enough that I'm not – none of that is a sales pitch. I am just talking strictly about how much i like this now someone to be fair someone could not like this cut i i mean yes there's a good chance there will be people that won't like this one but if you prefer this look i'm pointing to my sleeve right here you know a more fitted sleeve the same way yeah thinnerinner, shorter sleeve. If you prefer this, you probably won't like this quite as well, at least not for the same application.

So something to think about. But I love it. It's a S, S-plus tier. This is in the freaking S-plus tier of my tier list of Masonomic shirts. I don't know what else is. It's maybe the long sleeve pocket T is S and this is S plus. That's a, that's a man picking his favorite child right now.

Yeah, that's, I'm going to go ahead and do it now. Great. You know, to be fair again, to say, to be fair again,

when we release something next month, I'll probably just switch and say that that's pretty cool stuff coming next month. But at least for now, that is my all-time favorite. That's tippity-top. Top of the list. So watch the YouTube video, our newest YouTube video, to see that thing in action. Oh, and Alex said max comfort would be this tee paired with lift shorts 2.0.

That would be comfy. That would be that this tee paired with lift shorts 2.0 that would be comfy that would be a comfy pair this protective cottony blanket you'd be wrapped in yeah uh the other items tease them no the other items will stay under wraps because uh there's a lot going on with these other two items that they have to sit the the mystery is worth it. The weight is worth it, I would say, on those two. It will be well worth the weight, I think, on the very ultra-rare, limited, highly sought-after item, along with quasi-collaborative effort on the other item. So stay tuned.

27th, end of June. Act fast. It's going down. Meet me in the club. It's going down. Do we want to recap our weekend activities? We got to do some shit. Yes, we had a very fun weekend, didn't we?

Yeah, it was really fun. It was really, really fun. I mean, not surprisingly. So I guess, I mean, it was about as exactly as fun as I imagined. Yes, yeah. There wasn't surprises in that way. Like it was exactly how I hoped to. But man, I tell you what, after lifting in your garage for a long time,

and even that, a commercial gym where no one's really doing anything, to just get in a group where people are just getting after it oh man it's fun yeah for anyone that doesn't know nathan and abby thomas the owners of build fast formula in watertown south dakota also owners of a really sweet home gym they hosted an event for us and they went all out they did an awesome job and any any massonomics crew was invited. Oh, they hooked it up with free supplements even. Free t-shirts, free supplements.

Premium shaker bottles. Free donuts. You know, we got to have a little. It was really fun. I mean, it was awesome. Like, I don't want to make people feel bad that weren't able to make it, but it was. They should feel a little bad.

Yeah. And then also, A, we had an awesome training session and b we got a lot of really cool content out of it so this first video coming up will be the gym tour that we did uh nath the three of us walking around and going through the gym awesome gym setup and you'll get to see it in really cool detail there and that was just really fun video and then uh probably the week after that, the week of this podcast, our training vlog going up.

Yeah. Our training vlog. And I imagine that one will be a lot of fun to watch because we were a, I mean, it was very much massonomics. It was very much lift hard, live easy in the sense where people were lifting very hard, like doing intense,

no effing around sets where it's like, hey, it's go time. Basically, everyone had RPE 10 sets that day. Right. But also having a ton of fun in the midst of it, too. So it is that perfect mix, almost, in my opinion, what I've become to recognize as a massonomics environment where it is really hard lifting i mean it's what the lift hard live easy classic meet that we put on is like it is what like our crew falls event was like it's what happens at a massonomics but then you're also kind of laughing between sets yeah yes it is like it's i mean i was gonna say it's cater made

for me but really it's just cater made by us, for us, and then anyone else that likes the same thing. Because there used to be a day where I thought the intensity had to be dialed up to 11 for like basically every warm-up set once it started. And I've kind of left that behind. And there was a point I'm like, this next set is my RP-10 set. And I'm still like laughing and joking.

I got to turn this around here. And just said, hey, can we hit the tunes? And we got the music going, and all of a sudden, the Obsidian Ammonia is coming out, and I haven't smelled ammonia in years. A fresh bottle, too. Oh, man, and it was just like, yeah, we're taking this to 11 instantly, and it was fun.

Yeah, and you had a bench day. You and Af and grayson and lance yep we're all benching and you and grayson and aff all on juggernaut all had like an rp10 triple right and what did you do for yours was it 303 or uh yeah i did 303 for a triple and man it felt like way too easy actually right your. Your first two reps blew up. The third one did like a weird movement in the middle of the rep. And then like, it's like slowed down and then went really fast.

Like you could tell it was an odd thing. I remember in my head being like the first one went really fast. It was like, whoa, like that felt so fast. And then the second one did the same thing. And immediately my brain, and I never do this. I'm like, I might do four or five. Like I'm already thinking about like

the next couple. So I think I probably wasn't as focused on the third one as I should have been. Right. Cause you're already like so amped up and I was like super, I haven't been amped up like that for a lift in a long time. And so then the third one had this weird misgroove in the middle where it didn't miss. I mean, it just slowed down in a weird way right but then i do in a weird way is what i would say but then all of a sudden i did that i'm like yeah i actually don't need to fail the fourth one so i'll call it right there and uh you probably could have done 315 for a triple though i think on that day i could for sure i could have done 310 for a triple on that day right um 315 might and that and this is touch and go but i have to go back in my training log and look my best trip of

all time is maybe 315 maybe it's probably so you're i think i've done 315 for a triple yeah i think that's you're right there though yeah yeah it is it's right up there until i start pausing here and then we'll be a different animal. Right, right. Grayson had like 370 or something for his triple set-up. I think he had 370 for a triple, yeah. Yeah, and I don't know what – I wasn't benching, so I wasn't doing the numbers as well. Yeah, I think he was like – was it 215 for a triple? Something like that.

And he just – you know, he's doing the meat, and he's just only been powerlifting, I guess power lifting, I guess for a number of months, a few months, but like his squat and bench are blowing up squats, like three 55 for triple. Yeah. I think he did. Yeah.

Three 55 for triple. And then did he say deadlifted like four Oh five for a triple? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Just has started when I was starting. That took me basically years to get to either one of those. So he's doing really well.

Uh, big Matt was squatting. Yeah, did he do like 470 for a double or something? Yeah, something like that, a heavy double. A very, you know, it was, he did a very hard set, you know, where it was like where you feel that one in the head afterwards. I know that feeling.

Uh-huh. And then Nate and I deadlifted. Yeah, and you worked up to like 640. Oh, man. 641 or so, because we were using a weird mix And then Nate and I deadlifted. Yeah, and you worked up to like 640. Oh, man. 641 or so, because we were using a weird mix of pound and kilo plates. I gave up on even trying to keep track of what you guys were on over there. We had to double check with each other literally every single time just to make sure,

because it's really easy to get mixed up when it's like that. He did a 619 single and then like a 641 single that just slipped a little bit in his grip at the top of the 641, but moved extremely fast, like a lot of speed. And then my plan was a top set of five. What I wanted was a top set of five at a 9RPE, and that's pretty much what I got. So that was good. I just should have done, in hindsight,

I should have done a little heavier. Yeah, because what did you do? I did 577 for a set of five. And I think I could have done 585 for a set of five and had it look exactly the same. The way the first four went, I'm like, how many is he going to do? The fifth one, it still wasn't slow,

but that was where it actually started to slow down. That was a thing where it's like, since I know it's my, sometimes when I know it's my like i do i you just know you got it slightly differently or something like and i don't know they know i shouldn't do that i know that feeling too for me that's more like on squat where it's like i just know i have this next one no matter what right so you kind of almost approach that rep slightly different yeah and that's what i did but i felt so good afterwards and like that like i had no fatigue like i'm saying i did that set and i probably still might have marked it like an eight and i probably would have marked that an eight i probably marked that an eight and a half i guess is what i'd say but in a way where it felt almost perfect where i'm just just like, I don't feel beat up from that.

Like, I don't feel like I got out of position almost at all. Like I didn't do anything weird. You know, my back wasn't compromised in any way on what was, it still was a hard set for me, but I've got to say, it's what you talked about the bench.

And I've, I can't understate how effective that training environment can be for how conducive it can be for hitting there's also an extra variable we had a little we had a little extra some fresh build fast formula pumping through our system that's true i was i felt i felt a lot of hype so i think that that was part of it too i'm not used to taking a lot of pre-workout i never take pre-workout and i got done there and driving on the way home i'm like i kind of actually just felt like i hit a cheat code like yeah something i kind of feel like i got away with something here because it i just felt too good it's that build fast formula we were mixing and matching too we had the the vaso blitz mixed with the uh full blitz right full

blitz yeah a little scoop of each because the vasoblitz is no caffeine so then you get you get like kind of half the caffeine but full everything else by doing it that way is the the theory i think so between the pre-workout flowing the music thumping the environment overall and then you add a little ammonia on top of that. Like it was really conducive for big lifting. It was really fun too. I've said it a handful of times in this conversation, but it was a blast. In case you didn't pick up on anything, it was fun.

But it is. We had a conversation even there where we both had the same feeling. It's funny where you say, oh, you did 303. And it's like, i could have done more you almost have a little regret that you didn't do more and like i did 577 for five and i'm like i could have really done 585 which i thought was my high-end threshold and i'm like i really should have probably done that but the oh the uh the weird part is that is the feeling that you want. I take that exactly what you want. That is the perfect scenario. A hundred percent. And that's where I was getting so amped

up. I was getting, the anxiety was starting to really get to me because I had failed. I tried to do a set of four, like a month ago on bench at two 95. My bench has been feeling so good. And even on that day, I'm like, I actually don't feel good on this day, but I just know my bench has been there. I know it's going to be there. And I missed the fourth rep and I have not missed a bench in for real like years. And then all of a sudden going to this one, I'm like, what if I miss a rep again? I'm just like, I don't know what that would do to me mentally if I miss another one. And that is the thing. If I went into that weekend and missed another rep, I would be just having so much anxiety, second guessing, second thoughts on

everything. But to walk away and be like, Oh, I smoked that there's more in the tank. It's such a different mindset now. Well, yeah. Conversely, I went to the gym today, going into the gym today, still amped from that. And I'm like, I am fricking crushing it crushing it right now like it's like I literally have that feeling like I cannot wait to get there because I am feeling great like I you know it's just like I can do no wrong almost as like not in a weird ego way but just in the sense like everything's you feel real positive about your training and that is that is what you want to walk away with that you don't want to walk away like oh I barely got that you know like that is what you want to walk away with it. You don't want to walk away like, Oh, I barely got that. You know, like that is the perfect scenario in my opinion.

Um, because I leave thinking there, like the, the best set of five on deadlift I've ever done in my life is 600 for a set of five. Oh, it is. And I'm,

and I'm like, I think if I had put 600 on the bar there and done it, I think I could have got it for a set of five. Oh, you for sure would have got it for three, no doubt. I'm pretty sure four is there all day too. That fifth one wouldn't surprise me. It's been hard, but when I got it, it was a very

hard set of five. And also at a very different body weight too, right? That's at 25 pounds less specifically. So that's where I'm like, damn, yeah, that's sweet. My personal numbers aren't that important in this conversation, but what I'm just talking about is just kind of the attitude

and mentality of doing kind of well but leaving something in the tank. There can be a lot of value in that, I think. Yeah, it keeps the momentum rolling. Yeah. Yeah, we did shoot the gym tour video, the vlog of us training, the training vlog, and then we also did one coming up on a very specific piece of equipment

there that we highlighted and went into some pretty good detail on and we talked about. So I think that'll be interesting to maybe powerlifters and home gym owners and the crossover of the two especially. Yep. So thank you Build Fast Formula. I'll turn this into an ad read right

at this point in time actually thanks to nathan and abby over at build fast you can check them out at buildfastformula.com uh anything you buy there you can save 10 off i would recommend going for i would i would do the combo that we did you do the full one scoop of full blitz and the one scoop of vaso blitz get both you scoop of vaso blitz. Get both. You can get vaso blitz. And like, I think I was doing full blitz in the peach and vaso and the unflavored and mixing those together. And also got to say, I tried the 80-20. I've only had the chocolate prior to this, but hooked us up with some.

What is the name of the flavor? I want to make sure I get this right. Oh, is it the vanilla one? Peanut butter chocolate. I've had the peanut butter chocolate one. That is good. That might be better, actually. Like that one, I high praise on the flavor

of that peanut butter chocolate one. That one, it's legit tasty. So check that out. 8020proteinbuildfastformula.com. Discount code MASSANOMICS. Thanks, Build Fast. And this episode is also brought to you by Texas power bars. I actually,

this is, yeah, this is more information. More. Yeah. This is a content turning into an ad. I am now the proud new owner of a 29 millimeter Texas power bar, black zinc shaft,

chrome sleeves. Got to take it for a spin once here for one deadlift day and whoo that baby is nice that's is a you've got you have got to use it i have got to use it um you didn't get to do the full unbox unboxing the experience because i already opened all for you it still sucked getting it out the bottom the like the tube was crimped just enough to where okay it was kind of annoying sleep collar to come through there yes actually the first collar again i don't know just of us moving it around was kind of stuck already so i had to get a needle pliers to get some of the cardboard out of the way and then i'm like okay well the hard part's

done and then yep halfway through the collar is getting stuck on somewhere in the middle of the tube so yeah it was still a pain in the ass getting it out but i got it out i got to have a deadlift day with it and boy after being a long time since i got to use a texas power bar of any kind they do have something special with that knurling they really do yeah it's uh there's a reason that they are the legend and if you're interested in texas power, your own head on over to Texas power bars.com. And right now they have a little sale going on their classics collection. And you say, what's the classics collection. The classics collection is there.

All bare steel bars are now, uh, anywhere between 20. Yeah, about 20 bucks off. So you can get 20 bucks off a 29 millimeter Texas power bar, an original, a Texas squat bar, a Texas deadlift bar, or even the Texas all American bar, all listed for $20 off. If you are a bare steel kind of guy or gal, head on over to Texas power bars.com and take advantage of that. While you're there, tell them Masanomics sent you.

Thank you, Texas Power Bars. Big Moto asked, how many bars do you have now? Well, okay. So I have the Strength Co. Standard Bar, and I have the 29mm Texas Power Bar. Those are my only two actual barbells. Barbells, yeah. But then I do also have a curl bar from the Strength Co.

And I have a loadable dumbbell from the Strength Co. Loadable dumbbell does not count as a bar for sure. I would count the curl bar. But I was going to say, I couldn't see how you could count the curl bar as a bar. You got one more though. And then actually I have the Elite FTS safety squat bar too. Yep.

So you have four so i have four yeah so if you got five what would the fifth one be it'd be a texas deadlift bar red cedar coat for sure that's the one i worked there a sixth one that we that you would get um i mean i'd i'd say never say never but uh at this point on your list there's nothing very high there's i there'd be other i have other things on my list that i would put way above a six bar any what the six bar is yes yes that makes perfect sense to me actually um i yeah six bar i could see that unless people are going to start sending me stuff for free yeah i'll take it but um if i'm gonna be spending money on a item it is not going to be

a six bar for a long time actually actually i take that back i take rewind that rewind that back um i was gonna say actually i was thinking the other day how after the after this meat prep yeah i could i could potentially be interested maybe an open trap bar okay um just i just know for a fact squatting and dead lifting regularly it does just start to add up on my back not from a muscle standpoint but from just my whatever i got going on my back standpoint it does start to add up and i do know that an open trap bar does give me some relief there so i could see that being a possibility the rep one does seem pretty nice i've done some research so at the beginning of the year we the question we should have been asking is how many bars will

tommy get in 2024 because i believe we're at we're saying we're at four already we are talking about five and six options five and six when you start at zero though that's probably yeah that's a lot easier to do. Yes. And I still have you, I have you beat and I was starting at like 30. So yours is still far more reasonable in a number of ways, actually. Uh, and I brought a log to Nathan.

That's the beauty of it. When people watch the video, they'll have to see, we have a little segment where like any, like any massonomics video tanner's truck backs up and we gotta open up the tailgate of equipment see what equipment's sitting in the back of that yeah and you brought me a uh strength co plate tree brought you a plate tree it wasn't getting that's in use at massonomics gym now is it it already got already got well

where did that one go to then that one is the one that's next to the ghost bench now oh yeah in between the ghost bench and the black combo squat rack yeah yep that's a good spot for it looks it's got to look nice over there i'm sure right it looks very nice um this okay so this one it is a little more heavy duty than those ones that were down there aren't they they? Than some of those. Are they all pretty similar? The ones I. It's I mean, it's comparable to all the ones we're using, but I have some not in use.

Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Yeah. A little more like something I use, like at the meet and stuff in the warm up room. There's some like blue shitty ones. I mean, they're it's they're actually just fine. They do their thing. Like, yeah, they just. Right. Isn't that nice? You have so many weight trees

that you can have meat-only weight trees. Yeah. I actually don't want as many weight trees that I have, if I'm being honest. I've given some of those away because I just have too many weight trees. Can you really ever have too many weight trees? Where are these coming

from? Like, just that. You just gave me another weight tree. They just come from all corners of the world, all these weight trees. Just every time I've ever bought something, they're like, yeah, you want this weight tree too? You can just have it. I'm like, well, I'm not going to say no. I don't need it and I should say no, but I'm not going to say no. Anything else in particular from our Watertown wrap up other than you'll get to see a lot more detail on our YouTube.

It was a ton of fun. Nathan and Abby were great hosts. They have an awesome home gym and thank you so much build fast for me. I mean, they really did take care of us. They hooked. Yes. Not just Tanner and I,

who are technically sponsored by build fast in a way, you know, like they sponsored the podcast, but everyone that showed up, the whole group whole group yes they gave free stuff to like they were the most accommodating hosts ever so yeah for real real fast formula they are great their supplements are awesome go on their website and buy something if we do something like that there again you know let this be your warning don't miss out on it well and also don't expect that again you know, let this be your warning. Don't miss out on it. Well, and also don't expect that again, you know, the next time around. Well, that's true.

That's true. You shouldn't expect that as a norm. You shouldn't skip the first one. But you shouldn't just skip the first one. And also, you never know. Right. What do we want to move on to next here? We do our title topic this week.

We're going to talk about Smith machines. Maybe we should get into that now, but we should open our can first. We had a can. Let's do a little can. Okay. We also changed hands with this, this week's can when we were there. Were both of these the same?

I didn't really look at it. They're the same. Okay. Yeah. The two I gave you are the same. Yeah. Okay. It was a six pack, actually, I think.

Okay. I haven't actually, I looked at the label so long, though, I don't even remember what's on it, so can I just go into this blind? Well, yeah, but let me, do you want me to give you the backstory on this? Okay backstory okay there is a back there's a deep backstory on this this goes into the this is a uh massonomics deep cut actually oh all right so they this week's can is courtesy of big

big anthony supporting member massonomics gym member uh big anthony dropped these off in his convertible the other day oh he's got a convertible what yeah he dropped these off in his convertible the other day. Oh, he's got a convertible? What? Yeah, he was cruising around in a convertible. What is it? He used to have that old Cadillac. Yeah, I don't think it was his exactly, but he stole it.

Okay. Long story short. It was hot. But he did drop those off in a convertible because that that's not particularly relevant but it just it just adds a little flavor it does paint a picture in my head yeah paints a picture like michael scott and his convertible yes yes it was uh uh not a lebaron it was uh what is michael scott i'm getting confused with a chrysler something isn't it is it a sebring it's a Christ or something, isn't it? Is it a Sebring? It's a Sebring. Yeah. Yeah, it's a Sebring convertible. Who's the backwards man? Yeah, Freddie.

Tom Green. I don't know. Let's say two LeBarrons, Freddie. Freddie, yeah. Freddie got fingered. It does make me laugh just thinking about it. It's a movie like that. But this, he got us this specifically.

What's it called? What would you call this, Tommy? Borgiomi. Borgiomi. I assume you don't remember where this comes into play. Nope. Not one bit. Do you remember a little trip we made to Ohio?

Not for the Arnold. A little Michigan slash Ohio trip we made. Yes, I do recall that. Yes, last October. And we had a chat with a little uh uh little fella right there in his house recorded a podcast did some videos we talked about some chicken bakes we talked about some sparkling waters and he mentioned a special sparkling water that he had back in some country that i can't remember. I don't think he said Russia, but this is Dr. Mike. Do you remember him talking about a special water that he,

because you remember he was like, he was like really enthralled by what kind of spark, what kind of water did we have? Liquid death. Yeah. And he's like, oh yeah, it's kind of like this. I don't remember. Did he say a name actually? Yeah, he did because Anthony knew.

I couldn't remember. I didn't know name actually yeah he did because anthony knew i couldn't remember i didn't know about it but he went back in georgian mountains georgian yeah georgia yeah that's what it was yes as in not georgia america georgia the country right and this is what he said and we talked like we're like oh can we get that and he said i don't know maybe if you go to georgia wow all right so we we get to, okay, I'm glad you framed it that way. So do we get to dive in here? Right. Let's just dive right in.

Borgomi. Here we go. Yeah. Oh, it is bubbling. Sparkling natural mineral water with natural CO2 added. It's like it almost my mouth thinks it's salty at first but it is salty but there's not really a salt taste though but immediately it gives my mouth the salt feel well there is 540 milligrams of sodium in this but it doesn't have a salt like aftertaste though it kind of does to me

i can definitely yeah you're right yeah 23 of your daily value of sodium is is all carbonated mineral water are the ingredients i can taste the salt in this like way more than any of these anything else i've had like this before that is uh that is interesting not and now so we don't typically drink mineral water either, though. Is salt a common thing for mineral water? Maybe that's what mineral water means, really. I got to say, the salty flavor is a little off-putting to me. Yeah.

It feels like this would taste really good if it wasn't salty. I know. It's the mineral. Okay, I got to know what mineral water, does mineral water, does all mineral water have salt?

Some mineral water can contain high sodium levels. Whew, that is salty as shit. Maybe, I mean, yeah,

that is an interesting drink, isn't it? You'll have to send a picture of this to Doc. Well, there's two servings here, so that means there's 1,080 milligrams of sodium. Oh, there's multiple servings in this bottle? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, so half your daily value is salts just right in this bottle. Very salty. You'll have to send a picture to Dr. Mike on Instagram. Yes, yes. That's a good call. That is interesting. Wow. I'll snap a picture of this.

Okay. Bourjomi. All right. So the real test. Out of five possible J.D. Powell Associates jd what do you give the boy joe me um see it's kind of in a different area because it's not flavored so do you rate it on the same scale as the flavored stuff but as far as unflavored goes it's also not the most palatable it's probably in about the two and a half range because i don't really crave a salty drink that much, you know?

Yeah, I definitely know. What did you say, two and a half? I'd probably be about two and a half. I could definitely drink more of this, but. Oh, and if I was really thirsty, I wouldn't think twice about it, honestly. I could see this being good for like meat day. Yeah. Almost.

That could be a great use for it. Like during rehydration or something like that. I don't know. Just throwing that out there. Bore Jomie. Bore no thanks. Not for me. More like.

Okay. So that's our can this week. So thank you to Big Anthony. Yeah. I'm glad we got the follow-up on that. Yeah, so supporting our supporting members. Big Antony, shout-out for this. One more time, the Watertown Throwdown crew, Big Abby and Big Nathan, of course, for hosting.

And then we also had Big Afka, Grayson, Matthew, thank you all for showing up. There's a few other Watertown you know non-supporting members people there in getting in on the action and lifting so shout out to everyone that made that possible I'd also mention Keith on the same day up in Rochester whatever part of the

state New York that Rochester is in upstate downstate midstate west left state right state wherever that was he had four crew there lifting with him. I think he turned 39. And then also Big Eddie and Big Scantz had a Canadian meetup. Yeah. Looked like they spent multiple days together

and competed in Highland Games together. I don't know what the final results of their competition was, but looked like a lot of fun. A couple of moles just doing mole shit it did so thank you everyone uh supporting our sporting members that's a relatively new segment that we just did there to the podcast and you can become a supporting member also if you would like just head over to massonomics.com slash join um that's where you can sign up. It's real simple.

They've got multiple supporting membership levels that you can choose from there. So please, please check it out. Mathsonomics.com slash join. We'd love to have you as a supporting member if you're not already. If you're a listener, we would love to have you. What the hell are you waiting for? Okay, Tommy, title topic? Title topic. Title topic. okay tommy title topic title topic title topic for anyone that doesn't know why we call this

the title topic it's kind of a new relatively new segment it's our title topic segment one of the fastest growing segments on the show yeah where we pick a topic that we know is going to be the title of the episode uh pre premed. And then we thought of combining it together and calling it the title topic. And the title topic. And here we arrive at this week's title topic is, I don't know the exact title. The topic is Smith Machines.

I guess I don't know the exact title. It's a title topic. We don't quite have the title yet, but this is the title topic. Yeah, the title will, Smith Machine will be in the title progress all right the exact title details aren't truly defined as of yet it's that is a whip yes uh but it is smith machines so we're going to talk uh in a lot of detail on the smith machines actually we're going to ask some questions about our own

personal preferences where the where the value at or is not in Smith machines. Smith machines are polarizing in a number of ways that we're going to go through. We're going to talk some history, some benefits, maybe some disadvantages, maybe some safety pros and cons specifically related to safety and who would use a Smith machine. And then a lot of just our general feelings and hopefully some massonomic silliness sprinkled in with all of it. So first of all, Tommy, a Smith machine, what the heck is it? Maybe there's someone out there listening that doesn't know what the heck a Smith machine. I'm going to tell you what it is. I was asking the question, but I'm also going to answer it.

So you can probably answer this better than me. Yeah. The Smith machine consists of a barbell that is fixed within steel rails, typically steel, allowing only vertical or near vertical movement. Some Smith machines have the barbell counterbalance, so there's like very little weight actually to the barbell because of the counterbalance. there's like very little weight actually to the barbell you know because of the counterbalance oh yeah so when i when i say it's vertical or near vertical somewhere at a slight angle yeah we've probably all seen that before maybe right uh but it's essentially a vertical

uh vertical movement so that the conventional smith machine what we usually think of a smith machine has what we would call one degree of freedom the bar can move up and down as a straight line along a vertical track and that's it it's otherwise restricted yes so we're on board with all that that all makes sense and that jives with what uh that all is clicking with me we like the degree degrees of freedom reference it makes sense so the history of the smith machine prop maybe a lot of people don't know this this this this part might be interesting uh when do you think what decade would you guess that the smith machine first came about boy i don't know probably like the 60s you know what the hippies and the free love movement i feel like the smith machine really fits in there

nicely that's pretty good so the smith machine uh came around in the 1950s oh i just missed it okay all right a little more a little more rigid decade that makes sense for the smith machine yeah the smith machine was invented by american jackal jack la lane oh a lot of people might be familiar with who rigged it up a sliding apparatus in his gym in the 50s and then it was spotted by rudy smith smith it's a coincidence smith a bodybuilding champion at the time who commissioned smith then commissioned paul martin to improve it smith then installed the modified model in a gym he was managing at the time uh The gym was Vic Tanny's Gym in Los Angeles. By the end of the 1950s, Rudy Smith was an executive in Tanny's chain of gyms, and the Smith machine was being manufactured and sold to all those gyms

and some others by then. So that's kind of the root. Like Jack LaLanne, it sounds like he really had the first, but then Smith kind of took that to become like a product that was a real product and not just this one thing that somebody had. Uh-huh. Yeah. So Smith Machine, you wonder, was it a guy named Smith?

It was. It was Rudy Smith. So isn't that an interesting tidbit? That is. You know, Smith is a fairly common name, so I can see how there couldn't be a guy or it could just be no one associated with it. They just called it that.

But it does make sense. Yeah. So the next bullet point I had here, and I think we'll just kind of freeball some of these. I'd like to get anything that comes to your mind, is benefits of a Smith machine. And I do have one bullet here.

If you want me to start, I do have one, one potential bullet on the benefits of a Smith machine. What's the benefit. I feel like people would say, so I got to say, I'm not a Smith machine user. It's been many,

many years since I've ever done an exercise in one. But I would say the benefits of it have to be the fact that it only works in one plane. So it's probably easier to isolate those exercises that you want to isolate. I mean, that's got to be a benefit, right? I think so. And the way that you could use it more like an actual machine. Right, right. More like a machine, less like a freeway, which it definitely is.

And part of that single plane of motion, what people a lot of times I think equate it to is safety. Like I think that was some of the original thought behind of it. Also, it's like a safer way to do it because the bar can't fall over in the sense that behind each vertical post runner on the Smith machine, there's a series of slots on which the barbell can be hooked. Anyone that's used one before, you know what I'm saying. It's just a simple twist, quarter turn, and it'll get hooked and locked.

This means that unlike an ordinary barbell, the Smith machine need not be re-racked after a series of repetitions. It can be secured at any point. This is intended to make it safer for those who lift without a spotter. So maybe you can avoid a spotter as one only needs to twist the wrist in order to lock the barbell in place in the event that the weight becomes too great and you cannot complete another repetition. So there is a safety element to it that could be argued.

Yeah, that could be argued. I think that has changed a little bit through the years as you look at just power racks and safety straps and things like that where, yeah, I mean, if you are going to miss a squat totally halfway up, then yeah, but as far as just missing lifts safely, you can do that much easier now than you maybe could 30 years ago, maybe. Yeah. So some could argue safety has that advantage, but I think about it a little bit differently.

You know, some people might think that that's a safety feature, but the more I thought about that, I think that it being on that fixed plate of motion, say in a back squat, for example, I think that that's a really good example here. It doesn't eliminate the inherent danger of having heavy weight on your back.

No. And it may be even can give you a, it could give us a certain lifter, maybe a more novice lifter, give you an actual false sense of security, even to the point where it could ultimately almost be more dangerous because you're thinking, Oh,

I'm, this is not dangerous because I have a safety net here. And it could, when not handled appropriately, could become actually more unsafe even maybe. Well, and I also think that it's locking you in, especially as a novice, it's locking you into a plane that maybe your body isn't ready to go in that movement pattern yet. You know, maybe as you're learning the the squat maybe you do go down like perfectly vertical for the first foot and then the next foot and a half of your descent you lean forward a little ways right and part of that is like you becoming more adept at the actual movement pattern

where here you're are you don't have the choice of the movement pattern like the smith machine is dictating the direction you go so i can also see how that could hinder some learning of the actual technique as well because you're not actually in control of the technique path. Here's another thing. Someone might think, oh, it's safer when bench pressing because if you're going to miss a rep. But here's the thing. Bench pressing alone in general is dangerous.

There's an element of danger, I suppose. I could make a case that it's more dangerous on a Smith machine because on a regular bench press, if you're benching by yourself, I would typically recommend benching by yourself without spotters. My recommendation would be to not use collars because if something happens, you can do this. The tip, you cannot dump the Smith machine.

And as a matter of fact, here's an interesting... I wish I had an alarm for interesting Smith machine fact of the day. Since it can't be tipped off of you like that, it has actually led to a fatality where someone has died underneath of a Smith machine because they were pinned underneath of it and couldn't get away from it, and they died. Yeah. Even more, in 2001, a Smith machine user became a quadriplegic when the apparatus crushed his spine. Wow.

So, okay, yeah. Also, bad things happen with regular weightlifting yeah they do you know that also happens to rate but um still though wow that's uh it makes me feel like it's just i would for safety i'd pick being in a cage with actual correctly set spotters any day of the week over those options i agree with that um i don't think a smith machine is all that much more i don't think a smith machine is really actually really that much more dangerous but it it just comes down to people that don't know what they're doing more so than anything yes i think with all these if you just actually lift properly i'm just trying to pick nits actually on this whole thing

but i i don't actually think a smith machine is really dangerous but i just thought there was interest some interesting counterpoints to that you wouldn't have you wouldn't have thought of that at all um other benefits i really think the main benefit is what you were saying is that you can use it kind you could uh use it like multiple machines all in one kind of where you could do a whereas some machines like a plate loaded or selectorized machine it might be very limited the number exercise you could do on it you could do a lot of different exercise with the smith machine i'm actually trying really hard to think of what or when the last time i used a smith machine was and what i'm coming to the only time i can think of in my mind is I think the Y in Aberdeen had a

Smith machine right and I think I used it a few times for calf raises I think but that's that's as far back as I can remember but it is an example of how you can kind of use that machine as a calf raise machine you know like it yeah like that is i actually think that's one of the best if we're talking specific exercise that a smith machine is good for i think that that's what that's one that comes to my mind i think that there's value in that as a calf raise that's actually one to skip ahead to a question if you had one would you use it so the last time either of us had one well i don't know about you for sure So the last time either of us had one, well, I don't know about you for sure, but the last time I had access to one was when I went to the YC. Oh, no, every gym I've gone to in town here has a Smith machine,

and they get used like crazy. They do all have them. They do. They get used like crazy. Okay. People do a lot of – so am I jumping ahead? Should I save this part? No, that's fine.

I think there's no real – So, yeah, calf raises. What do you see people doing with it? Calf raises you see. part well that's fine i think there's no real so yeah what do you see people doing with calf raises you see um you see a lot of uh hip thrusts on the smith machine which a lot of people go just to straight barbell hip thrusts now but you did see some hip thrusts on the smith machine also a lot of seated overhead work overhead press on the smith machine is a fairly common one you'll see too okay i feel like shrugs was a common exercise on the smith machine is a fairly common one you'll see too okay i feel like shrugs was a common

exercise on the smith machine yeah i was gonna say the least common exercise squats like never almost never saw someone actually do just straight up squats on a smith machine and i don't know if i ever saw anyone bench on a smith machine either i've definitely done it before i've definitely benched on the smith machine before i also could see doing squats if you're doing it for like uh you're trying to do some quad targeting specific exercise oh yeah almost where it's like yeah it's kind of a squat but it's almost more so like uh like you're you're in an accessory lift yeah you're kind of like in a in a single plane sort of like a hack spot to a certain extent, or like a leg press where you're just locked in and you're just going.

Yes, where you can just push and stay tight and push, and you're pretty much going to be safe there. Yeah. So if you had one, would, I mean, if you had, when you had one, so did you ever use that, like in any of those commercial gyms you went to? No, the last time I for sure used one. Other than like touching the machine to be like, this is kind of an oddity. Other than just like touching it when I was bored, maybe looking at it.

Yeah, the last time I actually used it would have been at the Y in Aberdeen. And that's what, 2013-ish, 2012, whatever that was. Something like that, yeah. I feel like if I went to a gym that had one right now i would try using it a little bit just for the novelty of right but i don't know if it would last so what's really interesting about them though is that they have i can say this about all of them that i saw is they have the most god-awful nerling you will ever see in a bar to where it's almost just cosmetic you know it's not actually doing anything it's it's basically smooth uh it just has like scores in the bar for just like

this is an indication of where the marks are supposed to be right um if you go to if you're going to join a commercial gym which you did sometimes is a smith machine would you give a shit either way no no like would it be on your top 20 actually i just like look right past it i like glaze over it doesn't even register my brain as being something it's like after i'm there that i realized oh yeah there is actually a smith machine here i just i'm not even aware of it at the time okay uh i want to point out some other disadvantages we kind of talked a little bit about what we think the advantage or short list of advantages is.

Maybe we'll think of more, but I think historically I couldn't care less about this now, but if we're being real about it, especially if we go back like five years, 10 years, 10 years, five years, something like that.

If you're using a Smith machine, people that you can eventually think, no, what they're doing might just think you're lame. Totally. And I think that's to be honest, I think that's maybe one of the biggest changes or resurgences in recent years has been the,

the public perception of the Smith machine, because there was, it was like up there to me, it felt like Smith machines, lifting gloves, things like that were all like indicators that you didn't know what you were doing. Perfect example. Yes. Perfect. Uh, parallel lifting gloves or the pad to put on your back while you're squatting. Like those all felt like those belonged in the same category. Yes. Where theith machine seems like it's maybe moved out of that category a little bit it yeah it is at least overall perception has changed a

little bit i think that maybe that's less people that feel that way about it here's a couple other disadvantages use of the smith machine could be frowned upon by many strength training devotees as it forces the user to adopt an unnatural straight up and down bar path we kind of talked about that with the squat right which can put sheer stress on the knees or back if squatting or yeah i think it'll push you to a movement pattern that maybe isn't appropriate or like you shouldn't be in or you're maybe not even ready for yeah and then maybe you're not, if you're comparing it to a regular free weight movement, you're not using the same stabilizing muscles

that you would have to use. But there again, like, I think it's just knowing the role of when you're using that and what you're using it for. It's an accessory to the other stuff as a strength training. Yeah, if you're like, your squat workout revolves every week around just squatting in the Smith machine. Yeah. If you're like your squat workout revolves every week around just squatting in the Smith machine. Yeah,

you can do that, but you're probably not going to get the same benefits you would as if your squat workout was based off of doing actual squats. Yes, I agree. One more thing I wrote down as a disadvantage. I think this is a big one to me as like a gym owner. And,

uh, I think about it in this way or even, you know, related to home gyms but they take up a ton of space they are big they're huge we we rag on the reverse hyper for being big this thing definitely has a bigger footprint than a reverse hyper yes it's huge for a smith machine i mean it obviously it's a smith machine that's what we're talking about but it's huge for what that is, I think, in my opinion. Like, in comparison to a lot of other things you could get,

it just takes up a huge footprint. That's probably the biggest reason Mastinomics Gym does not have one. Also, they are not cheap either, though. That's another thing, too. They're expensive. We're talking thousands of dollars. More than you would think they should be.

But in a more modern sense, Bells of Steel is potentially changing the game on that one here soon. That's true. And we'll get to that here. Actually, let's transition into that. We'll talk about some Smith machine variations. We talked so far about this one plane of motion Smith machine. Well, there are some variant designs that allow an additional degree of freedom forward and back, but it's still kind of a Smith machine,

while still keeping the bar from rotating or moving side to side. So it can actually, like, say you're squatting in it, it can still move front to back, but it can't move side to side. Oh, yeah. I think I've seen those. Yeah. I think I have seen those. Yes, yes. Right. Those machines are sometimes called 3D Smith machines or Jones Smith machines because one last name on the piece of equipment wasn't enough. I was going to say Jones Smith.

It's a Jones Smith machine. All right, yeah. What was Johnson taken? Yeah. Yes, it's a Jones Smith machine or a 3D Smith machine. That would be an... I have been at a gym once before that had one of those. I've seen it.

I've never used it, but I have seen one of those. That is an interesting piece. Yeah. So once you're at that level, though, what is the point of that? Well, I guess you're still eliminating the movement of this direction. So you're getting the two planes of motion and not the third. It's like like how many people though is that like a concern is their left to right motion when they're lifting uh but the

addition you still i don't know exactly how they work but you should still be able to use the safety catch at like any point up and down the rail i think i just look at this and think that thing's got to cost a lot of money when i look through yes i Yes, I would say that's many, probably no less than five. It takes up even more space. Yeah, yes it does. Additional variation that you alluded to that we see coming soon, you and I have

messed with the prototype from Bells of Steel's at Home Gym Con this year. We have the rack-mounted Smith machines that could appeal more to home gym owners. Takes away some of the disadvantages that we talked about. One, I mean, it's still not going to be inexpensive, but the cost is going to be a lot less than buying a whole Smith machine,

presumably. The space, because now it's just mounted on your rack rather than a whole separate dedicated piece of equipment. It is rack-mounted. So two of the big negatives that we talked about, it doesn't remove you may be looking like a lame-o to people that think that about Smith machines, but it can help reduce both the cost and footprint discussion.

So a rack-mounted Smith machine. Tommy, you are a home gym owner. If someone gave you one for free, would you want to use it i actually don't know if kavon said tommy i want you to have this what would you tell him i well i'd probably say okay i'll do a review to make a video right we want to do that's completely different though because we i would that's what i would say back yeah we want to take that because we'll set it up on tommy so we can do i think people would actually like that video too yeah um i actually absolutely want to do that i wouldn't like it because i i so we can do a review on it. I think people would actually like that video too. Yes. I absolutely want to do that.

I wouldn't like it because I typically do my incline bench on the outside of my rack, and the Smith machine would take that out of the equation, and not that I couldn't turn around and do it the other way, but it's just not... I can see why people like to do it. It's just not an exercise that appeals to me. It's not a machine that appeals to me.

We train pretty specifically power lifting we do that's what i'm starting to learn more and more is when people try to suggest like oh you'll like this and this it's like no i know what i like i've been doing this a very long time now like i'm not you're not going to surprise me and you know at this point like i know what i like i know what i'm trying to do and i I think what would be the better, the better debate is you have this, you have to pick one, you have to pick either a Smith machine or some type of a functional trainer cable crossover. Actually, I know the answer there would still pick the functional. I think so.

I think I would, but it's still, that's not very high on my list either though. Like those. I think so. I think I would, but still, that's not very high on my list either, though. Yeah, and if I think about the rack-mounted Smith machine option in a place like Massanomics Gym, I think it Fs up the vibe of the whole power rack a little bit, where it's like, oh, suddenly I have this thing that I have to duck under and around to get in the air when I'm not. Yeah.

Because we have the six-post racks. Like, you could put it on the front of those or back or whatever you consider, you know, the part that you typically would walk into. But then you're like, it's sort of in the way. Because those racks are still going to primarily be used as free weight racks like 90 something percent of the time yeah so then do you want to walk around this thing for the three percent of time that someone's going to use the smith machine feature on it uh-huh outside of when it's brand new everyone's going to use it then because that's the way equipment goes but yeah that's what it probably would get used more though is if you had a actual dedicated spot for it because people don't want to intrude on someone

else's right you don't want to go use that when someone could be squatting in there yeah that's why it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense a rack attached one in massonomics gym a freestanding one would make sense there i actually a freestanding one is absolutely on my list of things i would like to add to massonomics gym and it's not that far down the list if the right used one came up the problem is the space. Like I don't know where that would go or what it would replace because I really have been particular about the pieces of equipment that we have, and we don't really have anything right now that I'm antsy to get rid of.

So a freestanding one is what I would like much better, but there's no prime space for that to go without like condensing everything so you know almost like changing the layout to a more condensed layout at a certain point but i for mass dynamics gym i love the idea of adding a smith machine i think it would get used a lot and i think it would be a great addition it would to what we have now we just do not particularly have the space right now but i look at used ones and sometimes i think about buying one and figuring that out later because i i think that's a good quality used one the option we have is that cool that uh that one combo rack i know it still gets

used but that is the easy thing to move around right it is easy to move around so that's that is that is true that that's the obvious one in my brain, because I'm not sure. I mean, I don't know if one could fit on the front room anywhere. I mean, this is more detailed, but at some point in time, I might want to move the Atlas Stone platform, and it could go there. Okay, yeah. I would like the Atlas Stone platform to be more adjacent to all the other strongman equipment in the gym.

That would make sense, yes. Not its original spot that just has never moved. Right. It's just a be-out. Like, that's an undertaking. And I don't know exactly where that would go and what the change would be to make that fit. But that's kind of a thought I have in my head one other question here well and also actually before you get to your one other question i think the whole reason we're even

talking about these is because right smith machines have gone through a crazy resurgence in popularity i feel like in the like the last 24 the last year or two. We've talked about it with Coop. We've talked about it with Kavon at Bells of Steel. Yep. Dr. Mike uses one in every video. Sam Sulik uses one. Right? Sam Sulik uses one, doesn't he?

I think so. I really haven't seen very many of his videos lately, but I'm sure he does. Dr. Mike does for sure, though. Oh, absolutely. We gym toured his, and we talked about his that he has there. He has those floppy handles hanging off of it that he hangs on to. Right. And I get it. Also Sam Sulik and Dr. Mike are bodybuilders. You know, they aren't power lifters.

So it's even more preferential to them I think than it is like you and I have a conversation about it that I think there's even more preferential to them, I think, than it is like you and I having a conversation about it. I think there's way more of a purpose for them to have it than there is us. So for a power lifter, if that's what you label yourself as, I think there's a lot less utility there, though. It's harder to justify because as an accessory machine, it's a very large accessory machine. Well, if I look at it this way, like the primary movements

or the slight alterations of the primary movements are what, like 80%? I don't know what the percent, almost like a vast majority of my effort and mind power and actual physical effort go into is those three movements and like a handful of variations of each of those three movements and like the smith machine could be maybe like an alternative in there but it's you know it'd be just yeah just be a way to do something fun and different and right yeah because there's a lot of guys that like to do seated overhead press or like seated you know just like an incline press and this would just be a variation on the way of doing that which variation is fun and novel so i can i can see why people would like that but

space and price are a factor okay so any other is there any i have one kind of wrap-up question on it that i think we could both analyze but other than that is there anything else that we need the any anything else that we can add to the Smith machine conversation? Yeah, that's probably about it. If you just go to a, you know, we are in a different bubble being more specifically focused on powerlifting. So you do tend to forget that they exist and get used. But if you go to any commercial gym man you'll see you'll see

everything from like the the fit figure girl trying to do the whole thing with them whether she's doing rdls or whatever crazy glute exercise with it to the kid that looks like he's never walked in the gym and is trying to squat for the first time and has decided that the smith machine is where he's going to learn to squat which which is also not working in your favor, but they do get used. You know what? And you talked about our bubble, you know, where that got emphasized me, or sometimes I forget about the bubble that we live in as far as the kind of training we do and stuff like, but a place where it became more apparent to me again was when we're at home gym con, I think of a home gym, the same way you think of a home gym. It's a power rack first, the barbells you put in it,

the plates you use on it, and then it's whatever you add in around that. And anything other than that, you're like, that's not a home gym. And what you add around it is just like sprinkling in. Like that's just kind of extra stuff that almost doesn't even matter. But even at home gym con,

where I go into thinking like, oh yeah, these people are like us. Like they would think the same thing. There's a lot of people there that that's not even their vision of a home gym. We talked about it. There's some guys that have home gyms and are home gym fanatics. And no rack. And they don't have a power rack, which is crazy for us to think about.

I'm like, what are you doing there? Yeah. And not like they don't have a power rack because they have a combo rack. It's like, no, they don't have this like squat stand apparatus bench machine thing like they don't have any of that like their home gym is they have like a flat bench and a functional trainer and like that's kind of their home gym which is just nothing wrong with it it's great everyone has their own way of working out but that's so different than the way that we think about performing a workout. Big Alex said actually a home gym doesn't revolve around the rack.

It revolves around the stall mats. That's probably the best point. That might be the common factor in everything. It does revolve around the stall mat. Okay, so we talked about like 10 years ago, everyone that lifts seriously says Smith machines stink, and if you use one, you are one pathetic loser. But now we see that's changing a little bit. People that are very popular, respected opinions like a Dr. Mike,

says, yeah, use a Smith machine more. The popular companies that we know and like are making Smith machines, so it's changing a little bit. On Massonomics, we typically play this game called Overrated, Underrated. And I think this is actually a great time to remind people. I feel like this has to be reminded of very frequently. Overrated, Underrated, at least in the Massonomics universe, is not and never was intended to be,

do I like this thing or do i dislike it that is a uh distilled version of it that i've never supported that version of over and that's not what the game is it's far more nuanced to me than that i don't is i mean we kind of agree on that i i 100 agree i feel like that like when we originally started the game and it's just you me asking you those that when we originally started the game, and it's just me asking you those, that was the nuance of the game because I already know if you like something or not. Yeah, and it's also, that's taking the easy way out

because you know, for the most part, how the public has a general feeling about something. Right, right. So yeah, that's taking the easy way out. Right, so it's not just do, so the question isn't, do Tommy and I like Smith machines or not? The question is, are Smith machines today overrated or underrated? So Tommy, like, I think this is a legitimately tricky question. think the answer is they are underrated because I do think that they could be, I mean, they've gotten a lot of hate. Most people that are hardcore about the

gym or serious about the gym are going to be like, Oh, Smith machine, bro. You know, especially in a powerlifting circle where I do think they could definitely be a vital part of your training, especially accessory training, you know, for the main movements, I don't think anything's possible. I don't think that's gonna be my first choice for really building your main movements. But for your accessory work, whether that's shrugs or some type of overhead press or some type of RDL or whatever that might be,

calf raises, I think there's a lot of ways that that could be a fun accessory machine. And an effective one too. So you're saying saying under rated i think it is underrated asked me this five years ago i would have said overrated all day well i wouldn't even thought about i would be like oh there's overrated like there's no way it's not i do think it got a lot of hate but i do think it can be an effective training tool still what i'm wondering is maybe it's not quite at that point yet, but is the sentiment switching on it enough that like, if everyone gets on team Smith machine,

then I'm like, well, slow your roll. Yeah. Machines aren't that important. Yeah. I don't think sentiment has changed that much across the board where I still think,

I mean, if you start like every powerlifting gym you go to has a Smith machine in in it then it's like yeah okay it has changed but uh right you know even in the home gym community if you want a smith machine you can't really get one yet you know that's not a that's not a thing like like uh if you were to say a belt squat or some type of functional trainer cable machine like the tide has really turned on those where yeah you can get there's 50 options for all those now yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i would agree i think i would agree that underrated for the sake of not riding the line underrated on that big smith machine guys over here well and but that's the thing we don't not we kind of said all the reasons we don't like smith machines that much

we said the reasons they could be useful and stuff too but then today i think underrated is probably the right answer and i mean everyone has their druthers of how they would answer it of course druthers all that other overrated underrated talk be damned everyone has their druthers and you can never take druthers away from anyone so can't take that away that's my druthers and i'm sticking to it ever heard that one tommy yeah i think you had a meme about it one day yeah that was a good well-performing meme actually i think too when you find the right song a song meme can do quite well uh-huh song memes can can really hit home to a lot of people when in the right context,

especially if it's like about Toby Keith shortly after he dies. People love the boys. It has a little extra something on it then. Yeah. Not that one, but yeah, that's reminded me of those ones. So Smith Machines in a nutshell, we put them in that nutshell. We kicked them down the road, and that's our Smith. And that's why they call it a title topic, isn't it?

And that is why it's the title topic. Just got to think of that title still. We kind of talked about our training update then. Really? Anything else to add to that? I mean, we got there is one month. We are one month away from the Lift Hardly Music Classic. I'm on a deload at the moment.

I mean, i was really looking ahead i gotta be honest with you um i my anxiety is really starting to ramp up not because of performing at the meet or anything like that it's ramping up because i'm like i'm looking i'm like i got from what i can tell it looks like two hard squat sessions and i think one hard deadlift session left and i say those because i'm not worried about bench from an injury standpoint, but I'm like, that's really like three sessions I got to make it through. And I'm like, God damn, I've come so far. I just need to get out of this clean or for the most, not even clean. I got to get out of this for the most part, mostly intact to perform at the meet. And I'm like, I'm intact right now. I want to go right.

I want to do this now. You know, I want, I want this to happen, but I just got to hang on. I just got to keep it together for just a few more hard sessions and I'm good to go. Seems like you're well on the road. Also, that was, I alluded to at the beginning of the episode, the roster came out for if people are on a flight deck one or not flight deck but platform one or platform two yeah and you are which one are you do you remember i believe isn't it everyone on platform two or people that did the meet last year wasn't that what what dave oh is that what it is i didn't know that well i thought he said because i thought he said everyone that lifted last year on the ghost rack was going to be on the same platform so they can use their same heights as last year.

So they don't have to mess with that. Wow, that's intelligent. I thought he put that in the dis... Or maybe that was in the email he sent to the competitors. Maybe that's where I saw that. Okay. I'm not a competitor. I'm not signed up for any of this stuff.

But now that I think about it, I actually... I kind of just thought of that now. So I'm actually curious if I look at the... That might be right. That might be right. That could be right. XPC, if I see anyone else in Flight 1 that did lift last year. And, oh, no, there's people on Flight Deck 1 that definitely lifted last year. So, not really sure.

Maybe that was a general theme of it. But I did notice it's not like Flight Deck 1. Call it Flight Deck deck. Yeah. I mean, it's just kind of a, it's just kind of a mix of everyone, isn't it? And it spans the weight classes.

It's not like flight deck one is going to be all the lightweight and the women. And then two is all the heavyweight men. It's not because there's women in both flights. Right. Right. Um, yeah,

I, I, I'm not really sure how they split. So you're bit you're a big you're a you're a big uh platform one kind of guy big in support of platform yeah they got me sandwiched between james riley and caleb lejeune okay but oh not a bad place to be but the the cat is out of the bag though you're signed up for the power lifting me i am on a meet here yeah yeah. Yeah.

I mean, it says Flight Deck 1. My name's on it right there. What can you argue with? It's a done deal. Being on the inside, I'd love to be a part of a meet someday. Everyone wants to be a part of something. Just keep hanging in there. Maybe your time will come.

Yeah. I'm just waiting. I'll until then I will wait in the wings ever. I'm like Batman sort of just waiting, cool. Just watching the flight decks while we're all loaded up. I feel like, is it kind of like a top gun thing when you call it flight decks?

Yeah. It's something air force related yes we have a number of other things we got dumbbells music setting effort rating brothers in body dorian and mass atomic shirt what's mass atomic shirt is that something i talked about so i want to know about that yes uh go to my boy has soccer tonight he loves going running wild with the kids and while i'm there there's a guy wearing a bench heavy shirt and typically if someone's wearing massonomics clothes i feel like i probably have an idea who they are

and this guy had no clue who he was so eventually i had to go over and i'm talking to him and it was a pretty interesting conversation because um i walk over I go, hey, nice shirt, man. And I got I have my massonomics. What am I? Actually, I just found this hat the other day. The the it's the new era snapback with the M puffy logo on it and massonomics over the that's like one of my all time favorite hats. And I forgot just the black and black, black over the that's like one of my all-time favorite hats and i forgot just the black and what black yep just black with the white embroidery and i forgot i had one that i had just like worn so much it was so grimy and we did a run of them probably a year or two ago

and i've sort of just had this one stashed away and so this one is like mint it's so fresh so nice i've been wearing that a lot and nice if we had some snapback hats someday like people could get it's just another one for the wish list right yep and uh so i got my i got the gym t on i got the snapback hat and i go up to him like nice shirt man he's like oh thanks i like your stuff too and i'm like and i start talking and he kind of makes his face and i'm like yeah actually i i i'm one of the guys that makes it he's like oh yeah i recognize your I go, oh, so you listen to the podcast? And he goes, yeah, you know, off and on. And so I'm talking to him,

and we're just kind of chatting about some things. And then I ask him what gym he goes to, and he goes, I'm actually in the process of opening a gym in town here. Oh, really? Oh, really? And he goes, yeah, and I'm going to butcher the name. Is it Los Campones?

Is that what it is? Oh, that was, dang it, I know his name. I'm just drawing a blank right now. So is it Casey? Yeah. Yes, it's Casey. That's who it is, yes. And I know his last name, too.

I just can't think of how to do it. Okay, so you've talked to him before? I've competed with him before, actually. He did the state fair strong man oh really one year like probably in like 2014 okay 2015 and he did the i won south dakota's strongest man hosted by tim feathers in sioux falls in like 2018 or 17 in 2017, I think. And he did that too.

So I competed with a couple of times. Okay. Casey rain. There you go. Yes. Or is it Ron? Oh, maybe that's actually it.

I don't know. I always say rain in my head. So I asked him his last name right at the end. I think, Oh, I actually probably have been saying his last name wrong in my head for 10 years. Yeah. I don't think it was rain, but I could be wrong there.

But anyways, so talk to him. So he said opening this gym. Another interesting thing, did not realize. So this gym, they have a bunch of them in the cities, the Twin Cities area. Yes, I think it's a nice, cool gym. And so I'm looking them up. Yeah, really cool gym. And I also didn't realize that the guy that's running these kind of has a

mill bank connection as well. Oh, I think he's a few years younger than me. Very, very, just the whole thing was like, so weird. I got how this keeps tying back to like people and stuff that I sort of know. So, um, yeah, it was a, it was an interesting, uh, conversation. He made it sound like the gym would be opening. Uh, he might've been in your last powerlifting meet too oh could have been yeah in Sioux Falls could have hosted by Jonah Leo I think he would surprise me I think he was he could bench over 400 and some like 450 pounds

yeah so I think he said the gym is opening in October I was he was giving me the rundown on all the equipment they were getting in so it was uh it was cool to hear about. I was at a summer league basketball game this last Thursday, and someone from across the gym, a man was wearing a bench heavy tee in Aberdeen. I have no idea who it was. Wait, in Aberdeen you're saying? In Aberdeen.

And I never got close to him because I would have busted out the, oh, sweet shirt. I have no idea if he knew who I was or he might not very well. Because I had no idea who he was. Yeah. And I even thought, wow, this is weird in Aberdeen that I don't have any idea who it is.

Hmm. Yeah. And it was also the Ben Chevy T. It could have been though, like we've said it before, we have done, you know, some in-person events now. So someone could have just bought something to support us. live easy classic last year yep and they were just like yep i'll buy a t-shirt to support these guys and it was just some random guy like that wouldn't be crazy uh should we go through uh as long as we talked about the rest of it i wonder if we should

talk about this in body thing that we both did at big yeah yes nathan and appy's uh home gym okay so this so they had an in body ties into this other stuff at big yeah yeah nathan and appy's uh home gym okay so this so they had an in body ties into this other stuff yeah what do you call it an in body scale an in body scanner what what i guess what's the formal term probably yeah either of those kind of makes sense to me uh because they used to have a supplement store and they had one of these in body machines maybe it's in body machine maybe they had one of these in their one of those full full body vibrating machines yes they had one in their store. I believe their supplement store,

the physical location closed. So they, some of the stuff that was in the, in the store made its way into their home gym. And one of these was this in body scanner machine contraption thing. And I've, I've, this has been on my wishlist for a long time.

I've always wanted us to do this and talk about it. And it just so happened that there was one sitting there that we could get on and do this. And so it gives you a quick readout. So you stand on the, so people that don't know, it's just like a, basically like a scale you stand on. And it has a monitor that comes up from it that has, you know, a readout with some things. And there's two handles that you grab. so you go on this thing barefoot i'm assuming it scans something through your feet and then also through your hands and it takes like a minute and then when you're done it gives you a readout on the screen the readout just has

uh what are the things on this on the screen it has your weight uh my picture is cut skeletal muscle mass percent body fat and then ecw slash td tbw yeah okay so there's a lot of things there it gives you those on the and then you can also download their app because when you weigh yourself you have to put in your phone number and then it automatically makes an account for you so it gives you these quick readings there but if you have the app it gives you a way more in-depth thing and so i did download the app we'll go through what our readings were and then i'll talk about some of the more in-depth ones that i have from the app but first of all tanner uh should i just i guess should i just read my numbers and we can just compare the two of

ours right away yeah and so big nathan did it first he actually does it in the gym tour video actually you see him do the thing so right off the bat uh i so you have to put in your your weight and height or sorry you don't put in your weight it weighs you but you have to put in your age and height but so i am at yes please i am six one and I weighed two 12.3 pounds, two hundred twelve point three pounds wearing our shirts and shorts. Yes. And we had and also so we had we had I think several things that were working against us is that we had just gotten done working out during that workout.

I'd consumed like probably over 40 ounces of water. We were in a garage, which I't think is uh prime environment for the in-body machine is to have that much water before doing it sloshing around but yeah so anyways for this way and i was 212 212 pounds what did you weigh tanner 254 oh someone's busting the weight class open there yeah that's that is a decent bit above my morning weigh-in weight, but that's kind of normal. And I had between my pre-workout and my... It was a garage. We were sweating. We had a lot of liquid.

And our clothes is probably almost a pound, actually, between a shirt and shorts. It's about a pound there. So it makes sense. I think I'm a little lighter than that, but it makes sense why it weighed in there. Next one on the list was the skeletal muscle mass. The way I read this is this is how many pounds of actual muscle you have, right? I think so. but it makes sense why it weighed in there. Next one on the list was the skeletal muscle mass.

How many, the way I read this is, this is how many pounds of actual muscle you have, right? I think so. So I was trying to determine. I came in at 102.3 pounds. What did you have, Tanner? 122.4. Ah, so 20 pounds difference. 20 pounds more of muscle than me, which,

and so another interesting thing here is nathan i believe nathan he was like 20 less wasn't he i thought he was like 90 pounds of skeletal muscle wasn't like he weighed 180 or just under 180 yeah and he had 90 pounds so like already what's funny about that though is so i'm closer in height to you than I am to Nathan. Nathan's, I don't know, maybe five, eight ish, something about like that. Um, but just what's interesting is the way that that actually manifests, you know, if you're to look, so Nathan's at 90 pounds of muscle, this says I'm at one Oh two, it says you're at one 22. So I'm 10 more than him. You're 20 more than me. But the way that actually expresses is as far as power

lifting goes nathan is significantly stronger than me you know like his total will be he was saying he was hoping he's got a huge like a 15 50 total yes and that does carry a lot of it is that but it is just funny that on paper this says i have more muscle than him but right but you have it over six feet, one inch. And yes, so that's where it's not to my advantage either. And then also, just because you have the muscle, again, doesn't mean that you're strong either. Like, you can have more muscle than someone

and not have the technique or the ability to express that strength. The more interesting comparison would be someone of the same height, though, because, you know know you having that extra muscle mass over an additional five or six inches of height really is a big difference yeah right like that doesn't work in your in someone's favor for strength like you know the your muscle mass being separated over that you know that additional doesn't doesn't help you in comparison to him yes very true very true um and then this last one on the list i don't know what ecw tbw yeah what actually is that i don't know for sure maybe a little google uh ECW that's I think a wrestling federation

extreme championship wrestling and TBW is maybe a different one. Oh here actually in the app it says ECW ratio this item indicates the balance of water in the body and allows you to check whether there is edema I'm going to assume that that probably was not

accurate because of just having just gotten done working out that anything measuring water was probably kind of weird. So that's just a quick initial readout it gives you. And the body fat percentage, did we say that too? Oh, was that on that screen there? Yeah, that's the third one, right? Isn't that what Chris said? Oh, body fat.

Yeah, sorry. Sorry, yes. Yes. Sorry, we skipped that one. Okay, so then body fat. This is one I've never known. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. Yes. Yes. Sorry. We skipped that one. Okay. So then body fat. This is what I've never known. Yeah. This is what I've never known.

And people, I think, also do debate this quite a bit with these as to how accurate this actually is. I do feel like if I had to guess, this does seem fairly accurate to me, this readout or this number. My body fat percentage was at 16.1%. Yours is pretty similar, wasn't it? Mine is 16.1%. are you looking at mine or yours sorry oh sorry mine's at 17 i was like ours weren't exactly the same were they i know they're

really close to each other yes i was at 17 percent right and you were at 16.1 so yeah if i had to guess for me i would say like that number seemed right in my head for about where i would anticipate like if it was under 15 i'd be like no i don't think would anticipate. Like if it was under 15, I'd be like, no, I don't think I'm that lean. If it was over 20, I would also say like, really,

really I'm, I'm there. But 17 seemed right in my head. Yeah. It's some sort of ballpark thing. I mean, I, I even,

I said it, I think when we were maybe even recording or when we were talking about there, I'm like, I am in like probably because of what I've been doing with my diet and training, I'm in some of the best body fat percentage range that I've probably been in, in like a decade. So it makes sense to me that like, I am absolutely leaner than I have been in quite a while. So that kind of makes sense. Uh, and just like a note on the accuracy, like I don't like, I'm sure everyone's like, oh, those are, those aren't accurate.

You know, like, and I, they're probably not, but even when I said to Nathan, I guess what you could notice though, is trends. Like if you start to see like, ah, it went up and I thought I was gaining, you know, I thought I've been gaining fat and it goes like, you'd be able to tell on the trends like your scale at home. It might not be accurate, but if you get on it first thing every morning, at least it's consistently wrong. So you know what way it's going.

So you understand like if things are going up or going down, that it probably means something. And then, so those, those were the initial readings. I thought that was really interesting. I did download the app and the app does give you a way more detailed analysis on everything. And it gives you, it gives you a score which i i'm assuming just some proprietary thing right i my in-body score was 93 and seems like a good score yeah it uh they have some rating in here that uh does indicate that like yeah because i think it says it starts at what's it say it starts at 80. Yeah, I don't know. It says if you have a lot of

muscle, it can exceed a hundred points, but so 93, okay, sure, whatever. But then looking at it, the, it's funny, BMI, I know you can just calculate this, but according to this, my BMI is 28, which does put you above average. So it does give you what's interesting is the app does give you actual percentages like percentile where you fall in with the population. And a BMI of 28 does put you above average. But then when you look at body fat at 17%, they have that basically right in the middle of average. So that is just whatever they're saying. 17% body fat is average. They have their,

their window for average falls between what looks like 15 and 20. Okay. But also 17% is in the 31 percentile. So I don't know. Make of that what you will. What was interesting though, is the percentile for skeletal muscle mass. 102 pounds is well above average there i'm in the uh 90 percentile on that one oh well that's good

news oh yeah so you have to be like in the you have to be in like the 95 or 96 percentile if not more i would guess right right right also that's just being bigger i was just saying being bigger i mean obviously that's obvious like that's I was going to say, being bigger gives you the advantage. That's obvious. That's a weird thing to say, but the taller you're going to be. Which does make sense because also being taller is rarer too, though. Right, right. Just already, if you were to say 6'3 on up, what is that? Is that in the 95 percentile already?

Right, right. So then it does make sense, though, that you can pack on more muscle when you are larger because you have the body to accommodate it. And then final thing I'll just say is it gives you this segmental analysis where it gives you a breakdown of your left arm, right arm, left leg, right leg. Yeah, yeah. That's you're telling me that. Yeah. And what I thought was really interesting is so looking at your lean body mass uh like it's saying my left arm 10.76 pounds of muscle right arm 10.5 pounds of muscle

left leg 26.1 pounds of muscle right leg 25 and three-quarter pounds of muscle so all those are within like a half a pound of each other just about or or less They're very similar. Uh, trunk. So I actually, I'm not even sure that's muscle. This is just lean body mass. Is that, does that mean muscle? I don't even know what that actually means. Lean body mass. Uh, my trunk though, 77 pounds in my trunk, which is, seems like a lot of weight. And then when I go to, when I go to fat, so for my right leg, it says 4.6 pounds of fat, left leg, 4.6 pounds of fat left leg 4.6 pounds of fat both arms one and a half pounds of fat and i had i'm thinking like yeah i think my arms and legs are both pretty lean like i don't really actually think i have any i've actually always thought i had very lean

legs and arms and this confirms that but then when i go to my trunk it says 20.7 pounds of fat and maybe that's just where it's all at man i got that fat i mean my number there would definitely be higher i mean my body weight is 40 pounds higher i'm sure it's almost all comes in the trunk well but i mean your your legs and arms should i mean your arms definitely they're bigger than mine so they definitely weigh more than mine but do they weigh five more pounds each that seems like a lot doesn't it uh yeah especially on the arm like it's it's weird to think like what does your arm weigh you can't like because you're holding it i know like with within your i didn't say how it didn't say how much fat was on my head in here either though maybe that falls under the trunk category i wonder what dimitar

would score on that one it actually the machine just malfunctions because it needs to make a category yeah uh yeah and that's about it gives you like this uh this some other like characterizations and some other things but as far as the interesting parts i thought that those uh covered it pretty well so uh first in body scan i thought it was cool that was kind of fun we're big in-body scan guys real big in-body guys over here and you do use your phone number as your id number so then like anytime you use it like that's all yeah it just keeps a log in the app so you just have a record which i mean there's probably some really weird i'm sure they have really terrible privacy laws and they're probably like selling off your data to advertisers

so people advertise for me at this point advertisers already know um they're now know exactly my body weight ratio and some other things about me but i guess that's just that's just the world we live in it kind of is the world they live that we live in the world we live in. It kind of is the world that we live in. The world we live in also includes some really nice websites. I was just checking out thestrength.co. They're one of the sponsors of today's episodes. That is a nice website. Yeah, what a great website. I don't know.

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But the thing about the iPods is you can't game the system and add new music. It needs to be whatever was on the iPods. That is the problem. That is actually the problem is that you would have to. I don't want updated music on iPods. I want like period specific music on these iPods that was curated by a former gym member like 10 to 20 years ago.

It's the closest you get to a book of CDs in there, isn't it? Right, right. So I don't know. Maybe I'm just not knowing how to. One of them, it's one of the touches. Oh, the touches. Those aren't built to the same standard as that nice clicky wheel one.

But the touches, one of them, the screen doesn't change, but if you know where the buttons should be, you can still press it in the spot to get it to work. And I don't know, the click wheel ones, like half of the click wheel ones aren't working either did you know there's like a whole thing of people online i've seen i don't know how this popped up my youtube feed of people that will buy old ipod touches like there's certain generations you can

buy and they basically do like a resto mod on them where they add in bluetooth you know they're getting the ones with the click wheel but they'll go in and they'll add in Bluetooth. They'll put a new solid state drive in it. So it's all updated, but at its core, it is an iPod touch. It seems ridiculous. It does seem so. But I don't dislike it. You know, they are onto something there. Yeah.

It's a bit of nostalgia. Just that yearning for something from the past. Yeah. I'm not going to hate. And this episode is also... Did that finish out the Strength Co-Ad? I don't know if I cut that short. No, I think that's it.

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and is there any gals on right now no I'm sick of these guys. Is there any gals on right now? No, I'm sick of these guys. Yeah. They gots to go. They ain't got to go home, but they can't stay here. That's what I always say. Put Supersonic on. Get it going.

Okay, then what was it? There was just something I wanted to mention. Oh, House of the Dragon came out. Big House of the Dragon guy, Tommy. You've been keeping up on Game of Thrones. No, I would like to watch that show, though. I was kind of, I was not in a hurry to watch it because, so this is season two, correct?

Season two, when the first episode came out. I was not in a hurry to watch it because, like, the last time I watched Game of Thrones is once it gets going, you do not want to wait around. And so I know once I start it, that clock's going to start. So I'd prefer there to be as much runway in front of me as possible. So yeah, maybe sometime soon. Are you watching it though?

I'm watching it. I couldn't remember almost a damn thing from season one because that's not how I watch things. It's like I don't want to wait a year to start watching again. But I'm also, I have absolutely no time to rewatch season one. So I'm like, I'm just going to do the YouTube video recap. So there's someone out there with a 10 minute video that brings you up to speed.

Also. I've, what I've really submitted to the fact too, is that I just don't care really that much about any show. I just want a little entertainment. So I don't even care that I don't, I just don't care really that much about any show. I just want a little entertainment. So I don't even care that I don't, I just don't like, do I like star Wars?

Yes. Do I really know? Could I explain any of the detailed star Wars stuff to you? Not at all, but you are slightly entertained for, right. Do I like, um,

game of thrones? Absolutely. Probably one of my favorite shows that I've ever watched. You know, it's up there in like the top handful of five, ten for sure. Could I explain anything about it to you? No. I just don't. The more I think about it, because I watched it all, you know, a couple of years ago, and I just think, man, I would have such a hard time explaining actually what took place now if I had to do that. Right. Like even this House of the Dragon one, the episode I watched last night,

I don't can't keep, they all have the same name. Like there's like 30 characters that all look kind of the same and kind of have the same name. And I just don't, I just give up. I'm like, no, I'm not pausing it to like do homework i am just watching this and whatever i figure out that's fine whatever i don't figure out i also don't care and it just entertains me a little bit that's how it that's what i've come to on like these like that's a much easier i'm never gonna listen not gonna like read the fan

fiction stuff i'm not gonna listen to read the fan fiction stuff. I'm not going to listen to read the books. Yeah. I'm not going to listen to the podcast updates. I'm just going to be a very surface level fan of it. Like I'm going to, I'm going to watch it to the point where people that are really into it would be like, you don't even know shit about it.

Yes, I, you are correct. You're right. I don't know. You pathetic loser. You're a disgrace to game of thrones yes i am that's how i feel about it yeah not a bad but it's still good it's still like still entertaining this stuff is just made in a way that i don't even have to understand half of what's going on

and i'm like still really good i'm not totally sure what he just meant by what he said but I can tell it's big. I can tell there's a lot of consequences for those actions. People are getting killed and there's dragons. I'm in. Seems like a lot of backstabbing going on here. Seems interesting. Count me in.

So that's where I'm at on that the boston celtics won the finals yeah kind of an anticlimactic end of the season huh nothing to say much about that and those are kind of the notes that i want the current events that i wanted to hit on there uh what was the nope that's it that's it what do you got Anything else we should get here? Okay. I got to say, I actually laughed out loud because this just, it seems so absurd. It didn't seem real. I really felt like the universe was playing a trick on me, and I did genuinely laugh out loud. I don't know if you caught this, Tanner. Did you see a picture that Keith posted in the Discord this week with his family?

And his twin, he has twin, first of all, he has twin brothers. Where's my button? Keith posted in the discord this week with his family and his twin he has twin first of all he has twin brothers where's my button which button's which here let me see if I got this right with the twins he has twin brothers that never got brought up just also they're 6'6

290 pounds they look like the size of professional strong men. It just felt like it was in a movie where you're like, well, yeah, they tried to make it as absurd as possible. If this was written into a movie. Well, there was a movie. It was called Twins.

One, the fact that Keith has twin brothers and we had this long running thing about twins and he never told us is just so funny. That is so funny. And then, like you said, they're both like six, five,

six, six. And Keith, Keith is not a small guy. And he just looks like this little child standing in his family lineup. And man, I could not stop laughing. It just,

the whole thing made, it felt like it was someone to chat GPT and said, here's a picture of Keith generate a family for him. And also it'd be funny if they were twins. And that was the image that spit out. And I just could not believe for a second that it was real. Yeah. But then it's like,

no, make them twins. And then it's like, no, make them huge. That would be, that would be the exact thing you would do is like, I'm making a funny meme,

bake a family picture for this guy. And it would just be like, no, even would be it's keith a dad and one brother and he'd be like huh you know what would be really funny for massonomics if we made them twins and then oh you'd be really funny if they were really big twins and like it just is is of course how that would work as a massonomics meme is what that picture was and it was hilarious for uh keith being the strength competitor in the family he should have asked for some of those uh strong and now being in strongman he should have asked for some of those strongman jeans that height it's there somewhere in the

family yeah that was very funny yeah that was good i just it really it was just felt like the universe was playing some crazy trick on us there. I loved it. Did you give up on your Borgiomi? No, I'm still kind of sipping on here. I'm not. You nursing that thing over there? I'm nursing this Borg shirt.

Trying to nurse it back to health. Yeah. How far are you on it? Pretty much the same, I think. Yeah, I'm kind of between the two labels, and that's. Yeah, I think you got me beat even. It's a sipping drink. I would say it's a fine sipper.

I went out to a, the night of the throw down in Watertown. I went to a wedding reception and I'm not drinking right now because I can't afford the extra calories. And there's a thing, though, like when you're out and everyone's drinking. Oh, you got to have something in your hand? Yeah, and I drink so many waters because I'm just like, I just feel like I need to be putting something up to my mouth and drinking

like the whole time when everyone else is. And I just start to do it subconsciously even where i'm like oh that's right better go get another water and you start i start drinking waters like i'm drinking beers just putting them down and also it's like you know when you're drinking a lot of beer when you're going out and you're drinking a lot of beers replace beer with any non-alcoholic beverage and you're like that's too much liquid heated be like oh it's been 40 minutes let me get another one like or or less even right say it's say it's uh chocolate milk you're like oh all right get another one explode bring me another the gallon challenge or like like chocolate milk is an extreme example, I guess,

but like it could be juice. You're like, yes, another apple juice. Bring me my seventh apple juice in the last hour and a half. Yeah, those are the wrong flavors to do that with. But even water, it's a funny thought. You're like, yes, I need my tenth water. Like, holy crap, dude. Is that even healthy to drink as much water as you're drinking right now?

Yeah, probably not. No, no. Clear the system out. I don't know. That's the magic of light beer is that it's, like, not really flavorful, but it's enough to keep you coming back, you know, that you can just kind of drink it unlimited. But I kept thinking that that that i'm like

if i literally replace this with any other beverage it seems insane you would be actually sick or just be disgusting well then i'm like that's part of why you're just sick i think it's because you shouldn't drink you shouldn't drink 12 cans of anything yeah like in an evening so that okay so actually along those same lines i was thinking about this with that in-body scanning and uh yeah i was trying to think like how like this is not the cleanest my diet's ever been i have i would say when i was single because when you do have kids just sometimes between just the crap that they have around and you're like okay i'll just eat that like there's it infinitely harder for what i'm doing oh the amount of just garbage pre-packaged snacks that

around at any given time and for the most part i want nothing to do with them but sometimes it's like i'm kind of hungry and you're not eating that so i will yes absolutely and then also like you do i don't do much of this either but sometimes you do eat their food too like you know their food's just sitting there so you're're like, well, we're not going to waste that. Give me that chicken nugget. So it is a different, and then it's foods that there is some kid foods that just normally you wouldn't buy.

Like when I think of when I, when I would say I was at my leanest ever, like my diet was the most on point. It was like, well, yeah, I'm single. Like I am so buying that stuff.

I just, I don't buy it. Like there's no temptation with any of that stuff. I just only buy and eat this. It's very easy. I don't have to be tempted by anything else because I'm not getting it. You'd literally have to leave the house

to go get that stuff. Yeah, and I'm not going to do that. So like at that point, my diet was the most in tune it's ever been. But then where I was hurting myself is that like on any given week, my alcohol calories and eating out calories were just on another level. You know, when you look at Friday and Saturday night,

how you can easily put down 10 plus beers, both of those nights. And then, oh, maybe you go out with your friends on Thursday. You have a few beers and wings and also are at, yep. We're going to wake up hungover Saturday morning and go out for breakfast and also Sunday morning, yeah, we'll probably all go out for breakfast and maybe lunch. Like, so you just had like the weekends would just murder it. You just go crazy on the weekends. And now I don't have like any alcohol calories hardly in my diet right now. And like my going out calories, like eating out at a restaurant, calories are pretty good because if I'm eating out, I'm usually eating some pretty decent.

So it's a weird balance. I just kept thinking about that as like, yeah, it's not the best my diet's ever been, but there's also like almost no alcohol. And then on the flip side of it, it's like, yeah, like no alcohol, but my diet still has some weird things in it. But overall, I think my diet is pretty good at the moment right now. For sure. I can for sure tell you the last three months that this is the best my protein intake has been in probably four or five years. I know for a fact I've been way better on that. Your protein intake, yeah, yeah.

Well, and just by default, then, if your protein intake is up, you're probably eating pretty decent because, like, you're only going to be eating so many calories. I mean, there's only so many pure protein bars a guy can eat in a day. How many do you think you could eat in a day? I mean, how many could I eat in a day? Well, how think you could eat in a day uh i mean how many could i eat in a day well how many could you eat without even feeling weird like could you eat six in a day oh god i don't or would you get a little sick i think if you told me okay if you said like okay

going into the meat i mean i could eat of course you could eat six yeah that was the challenge i mean most days most days i eat two and i actually look forward to eating both of those two. Right, I can see that. Three would be like, yeah, this might be getting to be a little annoying. Four would definitely be the upper limit of where I'd ever want to go. That'd be, four would just be like,

yeah, this has kind of ruined it for me. I mean, that's what it was. Four would ruin, that would be what I wouldn't like is four actually would ruin it for me to where I don't actually enjoy any of them now because then you're having one like every third hour or something like yeah that's just that's too much yeah but two a day i do one after lunch and then usually one later at night like before bed it's like dessert it is it is like dessert

and they're both just and then there's three flavors so you just mix up the flavors and you just always it just always feels fresh that's my dessert thing right now is having um a scoop of 80 20 build fast uh protein in like oat milk oat milk and water that is my treat right now is is it like the oat milk and water mixed together yeah like just even oat milk is lower calorie than milk okay so just just to like dilute the oat milk a little bit is what the water is for just even like less than the calories and like have it still be good to me like because i don't want to eat stuff that i think is awful i'm just trying to keep the calories like it in check though yeah because i'm still eating kind of a lot in a way but it's just a very specific things like last night because like i do get certain

cravings for thing or sometimes i just get really hungry because the way i'm eating last night the way i'm eating right now and last night we I had ground beef and rice. That was just like my meal. But you can eat so much of that and never feel hungry. But I ate so much last night. Like, and I was just like, I am famished. It feels like I haven't eaten in a year. You can eat like two pounds of that and still feel like you didn't eat though, you know? Right. And that's kind of like, I mean, I did, I was like, and I just, I just got, I was like, I cannot stop. I am just going to keep going. And like, today is just going to be today.

I'm going to go keep going because I feel like I need this right now. Like there's, if my, if I desire this so badly right now, that means I need it for something. I do wonder, you know, like, cause Stan was pushing, you know, the vertical diet so hard for a while, which was essentially just ground beef and rice. Right. And supposedly all these strongmen

were doing it. I'm like, how do you keep that? You'd have to eat 10 pounds of beef and rice a day to get the calories to maintain that, wouldn't you? Yeah, you would have to eat a lot. Like, where is the other calories coming in?

Especially if the beef is lean. You know, you can get a lot of extra fat calories if you fatten up go very fatty ground beef too but i'm just looking here calories in 90 10 beef what's in like a pound and a pound of it we have uh 1500 calories so not even your daily value of i mean 1500 calories in a pound of ground beef. Yeah. But I could eat a pound of it.

Yeah, but a pound. You need to eat like four pounds a day, though. Right, right. Right? I mean, don't Brian Shaw and those guys need to eat like five pounds of that a day? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Brian Shaw weighs like 450 pounds, so it would never even be remotely. And then how much rice?

Also, how many pounds of rice do you have to put down in that same time too yes that's a lot uh we got some good diet training and diet talking on this episode didn't we actually back that up i even said it wrong uh 90 10 90 10 has 150 calories in three ounces wait oh yeah Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's still be about the same. Okay. Yeah. Got some diet talking to, uh, one thing. Okay. Uh, really quick thing. I was watching, uh, I don't watch all of them, but I do occasionally like to catch up on Dr. Mike's critiques of other people's trainings, his videos. I watched, I watched this one too. And yeah, he had the one where he was critiquing Dorian Yates. And he said, yeah.

Also, check out Dorian Yates. I think it was Blood and Guts on YouTube. You can see him train for an hour straight. I'm like, I was laying around this weekend. My wife took the, oh, my daughter was taking her nap. My wife had to take my son somewhere. I'm like, I have nothing going on right now. I will turn that on.

So I type it in on YouTube, Dorian Yates, Blood and and guts. It only had like 15, 1500 views or something really low. And it's just like a early nineties, just black and white video of him training. And it does kind of make you just want to hit the gym when you want. I don't know if you, if you went to that video at all, I didn't watch, I watched the Dr. Mike video, but but i didn't it actually is what it is is it's almost like a sam sulik video from the early 90s right right the dr mike makes the comment of he's like man you got the guy his job is just yell at dorian i mean that's a job right there and the whole time like every one of them he's like yes dorian like they're doing flies he's like now we fly it's like they're going and i'm like

and it's like oh this is so cool this is just great it's you know in the dr mike video when he's pointing out the differences say between dorian and his competitors how you know the others were actually far more symmetrical shapely and yeah. Yeah. And all this stuff without watching Dr. Mike say that if you lined up all those people and asked me to like pick out, like I would never come to those conclusions. See myself without someone pointing it. Maybe when he points it out, then I,

then I'll start to look and be like, ah, yes, I see what he's saying. But then I'm like, but do I see that? Like my own naked eye without him explaining that to me, do I understand those differences but then i'm like but do i see that like my own naked eye without him explaining that to me do i understand those differences and i'm like i don't know if i do

what i thought because when he said it and explained it i was like oh this is so obvious but also i felt like the photos he used were like the most perfect photos that showed these guys because he was showing like flex wheeler and i don't even remember who else like having the most round delts and biceps you've ever seen in your life and he's saying how he's like these guys are shape gods you know they had the perfect genetics to give him the perfect shape but then what was the reason why is why was dorian so much better though then because he was just so much larger than all just so much bigger yeah because i think he was saying and in and condition and also that's what he said is like dorian yates i believe what he said was that dorian yates was the first person to have

like what they call like sandpaper skin or you're like looking at it you don't even know what you're looking at muscles almost like and he said like yeah dorian yates didn't have like the most perfectly shaped muscles like some of those guys did but he made up for it by being so big biggest person they'd ever seen at the time. Okay. And then, so when you watch this training video though, you know, they got the stringer tanks on and God,

he just looks like, and because, you know, I'm sure he's in these training sessions. He's probably weighing like two 80 or more. Yeah. He's huge. No doubt.

Oh, he just looks enormous in these, like the way they do. It shows us this dumbbell session they're having. And what they would do is they would bring up one dumbbell on their own and then their training partner would bring the other one to them and you know he'd be pushing it and then when he can't go anymore his training partner lifts his arms for the last one and then he just throws the dumbbells down and you're like god your

traps man are just enormous and the way like when they're grabbing plates because they're doing like on another one they're doing incline bench and just the way he grabs they're grabbing plates because they're doing like on another one they're doing incline bench and just the way he grabs the plates it's like they're just grabbing this disc and just putting it on i mean it's the way that if you don't go to the gym much it doesn't mean anything to you but as a person if you spend years and years touching weights and you know what it takes to just move a 45 around and how large they are and how just the way they do it you're like yeah you're you're built different here man right so that's an actual application of being built different it's a very real application to be built different

a 32 year old minnesotan has never seen their favorite professional men's sports team win a championship a 32 year old bostonian has seen their favorite professional men's sports teams win a championship. A 32 year old Bostonian has seen their favorite professional men's sports teams win 13 championships. Yeah, I know, man, it's, uh,

he might be a fan of, it's easy to be a fan of the teams that win. You know, it's like in high school. We're, we're in the Midwest here. I had friends that their favorite baseball team was the Yankees. Their favorite basketball team was the Lakers and their favorite.

And their favorite football team was the Patriots. And you're like, yeah, man, I guess you just like to watch people win. Like that's okay. Sure. But you know,

the real ones, the real ones stick through there. Actually, I saw a stat on the Vikings the other day. I didn't, it was on Instagram, so I can't verify if it's true, but it had all nfl teams winning

percentages and i believe in the super bowl era and i believe the vikings had the fourth or fifth highest all-time winning percentage and no super bowls and no super bowls uh you want to the next team in the list well you know what they're a rank that didn't have a super bowl win it was like the 20 something no it was i think like 12th on the list was the next team down that had zero super bowl wins with like the 12th highest winning percentage right and that was like you look at the comments because it's like all right number one i think um highest winning percentage all the time i believe is the cowboys and you know what do they got five super bowls or something and then sure it's have to be up there yeah like patriots are in there too whatever it was and like so you see the vikings like oh that's weird and then you go through it

the list you're like man and actually the worst winning percentage of all time is tampa bay and of course they also have the yucks they had a tom brady thing for a while but all the comments because this was a fairly big account and just the number of comments like wow actually being a vikings fan is a totally different kind of torture like reading through this or like it's just like well because that is the classic thing like they can they have like it's not like they're cellar dwellers all the time they'll have they're right amazing years and then find a way to not yeah it's just it's always enough to give you hope or just know like hope is right around the corner but it just never turns into anything it never does and then yeah you look at the t-wolves

who've just been god-awful forever and then you look at the twins who haven't won anything since like 89 90 whatever that was in there and uh yeah it's uh it takes real dedication but every once there's a glimmer of hope like this year with the Timberwolves in the playoffs. And you get tricked and you think, you know what? I think they could do it. I think they're probably going to do it. I mean, I have so many friends that are diehard Minnesota sports fans, all of them, you know, golfers, wild, everything, college, professional.

And already it's like, man, J.Jccarthy it's gonna lead us to the promised land it's like what are you basing this off of it's just like he's got to do it man it's got to it's got to be here one of these years and uh i can't play that hope game i'll just uh just wait just wait and see what happens right what do you? Should we put a bow on this one? Yeah, we probably should. Let's put a bow on it. We're going to put a bow on this. We've got to save some stuff for episode 430.

There still are quite a few things we have not got through here. Your music setting topic is in here for like four plus weeks now. Do you have any curiosity? I have a lot of curiosity about it. At this point, I almost just want to wait one more. Yeah, we'll wait. We'll talk a little music setting next week, I almost just want to wait one more. Yeah, we'll wait. We'll talk a little music setting next week, I think.

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