Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 431: Do I Need a Powerlifting Coach?

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanomics. And we are back for episode 431 of the Massanomics podcast, dubbed the Lifting Podcast About Nothing, recorded live from South Dakota. My name is Tanner. And my name is Tommy.

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So we won't spoil it just in case. We'll save a little something for the title topic later. But we are now in, it's July 1st today. And of course that means it's Lift Hard, Live Easy Classic Month. Meat Month. Yep, Meat Month. If anyone's been holding back if anyone has not listened to any of the warnings up to this point for the love of god stop holding back now yeah

you're really waiting till the last minute if you're holding back now but yeah we are still is time weeks uh we're shoving we're all i think we're all shoving the last bit of hay into the barn as we as as we speak, literally I see, I'm seeing more and more hay getting stuffed in, in terms of training, in terms of, uh,

massonomics merchandise that we have massonomics awards, massonomics, um, just, uh, all kinds of party favors, uh, the party party planning committees have been meeting in full force

so the uh there's still a little bit of hay left to shove in the barns but i'm saying what i'm saying is the barns are getting full aren't they almost at max capacity almost at max capacity i do think we know that power lifting meets get a ton of... That's the joke. Everyone gets an award, right? At ours, my hope is everyone gets five awards this year. We're going to award so hard. You don't even know.

We're just getting more and more unique awards by the minute. We're getting more coming in. Just keep multiplying. A lot of the sponsors have stepped up and uh you know so like every lifter out of the 110 will be getting some stuff um just like last year you know everyone walked away with ammonia and that sort of thing so should have some stuff for everyone to walk away with again this year even even with the larger group of competitors attending this year uh from the massonomic standpoint of it,

we kind of got most of the stuff pinned down now. For the most part, on the pre-planning stages. There's always like a couple more things. Yeah, there's always a couple more things, but you could kind of say the haze in the barn for now on the planning and prep stages of the actual meet. Yeah, so that's exciting. For training, everyone is still, you know, it's right in the, it's the peak of peaks

right now, kind of is where you can tell everyone's at. It's just about at the mountaintop here. Right. This is where the sweet spot where getting to see a lot of big lifts from a bunch of different people as they're getting ready for the meet. And I'm seeing it in massonomics gym too, without us having so many gym members competing again this year. So that is fun to see.

You actually did a little training. Were you at perfect little size again today? One more back to back weeks. Yeah. One more trip to perfect little sweeties. And I, okay. I got some thoughts on today's session.

It was one of the more unusual squat sessions I've ever had in my life. So you squatted also? I squatted also. And it's, okay, it was weird for several reasons. One, because the final big heavy squat is next week in Juggernaut. And so last week was also a pretty hard one because it was the start of peak. So this is kind of that lull between the two tough ones. And it was a weird one because

in this week in juggernaut, it says, let me find it again here really quick. It is four sets of two to three reps. So it's doing the thing where you kind of pick how many reps you want to do. And it started me at 370 pounds. And so I'm like, I'm looking at, I'm like, this actually is not that hard of a day. This isn't too bad. So the variable that I added in today was the pioneer knee sleeves. And have you actually worn yours to lift yet, Tanner? No. Oh my God. Anything. Yeah. I mean, I have actual bruises on my legs. I had, I had to take them off eventually. It was too much. I couldn't handle it anymore. But so I started at 370, and I'm like, this is like an RP, like, seven. This is way too easy. So when did you put them on, like, for your warm-up sets?

I didn't put them on until after 225. So I had them on for, like, three warm-up sets, and it was pain. It was painful. And it's like, what did it feel like? I'm like, my leg actually wants to be straightened like i for my first thought is i can't believe these are legal anywhere because they're so heavy duty like you can feel it pushing your leg straight it's that's what was it hard to get on compared to i'll say this i have medium spds well it's different though it's different

because my spds are just tight around everything where these are extremely tight on the band like the the opening and closing band the ends extremely tight on my calf and extremely tight on my quad over my knee it's like i don't even know if i feel anything over my knee actually um the back of my knee i can tell you i feel it because i have bruises all over the back of my like it looks can tell you, I feel it because I have bruises all over the back of my, like, it looks like it's straight line across bruise. It looks like they were wrapped. And so putting them, I can tell you this, I have medium SBD knee sleeves and I have 2X pioneer knee sleeves and the 2X pioneersleeves are significantly tighter on my calf and quads than the SBD ones.

And significantly less forgiving. Man, they are just painful. And I will say, I did my first set, and it felt like the whole thing where people talk about with equipped lifting, like where you got to like get down to depth. It felt like I was like trying to get to depth. It was such a weird feeling. And then, yeah, I felt like I was shooting up and my squat, once I got going, like my squat felt like I was squatting, but I think

they were helping a lot. But then it got to the point where it was so tight on my calves that I was starting to get like cramps in my calves. And even on the, the muscle that runs down, like the lateral side of the front of your leg, whatever that is, it's almost like your shin muscle. And it was starting to be like, it was like, is that like the tibia or something like that? And it started to feel like I was getting cramps or I'm like, this is too much. Like I can't, I can't walk around like this. It's too pain because I was actually sitting between sets and I never sit between sets either. And so I'm like, I got to fold these down and then maybe I was pulling up between sets. Well, I folded it down. Well, at that point, my legs are so sweaty.

I couldn't get them back on. So then I had to take them off. I just had to get, I had to take them out. I couldn't get them back on. So I had to take them off. And then at this point, my, so I did my first two sets with them. My third set, I'm like, yeah, okay. I'm just going to go bare knees. Cause I didn't bring my SPD knee sleeves. And all of a sudden it was like, someone had just like pulled the chair out from under me when I went to squat. Cause I got depth so easy and then there was no rebound no nothing standing up right and I was like whoa and so all of a sudden I went from like three easy reps to like one rep that totally caught me off guard so then I because at this point I built up to 405 so I had to take it back down for my next set and it was such a weird i've never had that feeling squatting before it was it was really weird so my question would be what are you gonna wear i for the power lifting

i think i've decided i'm probably wearing my spds because really the problem is is i don't know if i can get through a whole warm-up and like do you think it was just that painful kind of or just like you feel like you're literally just going numb like yes they were really painful but once they were on and i was going like during a rep you don't notice it because you're so focused you don't even think about it but like to do an air squat sucked really bad like the back of my knees just felt like things were just it sucked um but what the time the time just the longer i went like walking out, I felt like I was losing coordination of my legs because my, my, from the knees down, my legs just felt like they were

cramping so much because of all the compression on them. So I have the same size. Do you like, will I be able to put them on? I, I don't know. I, I, I don't know. It was so you should, I mean, honestly put them on and you put these ones on different than the SPDs, you the SPDs you fold up from the bottom and the top right and it makes a band and you kind of pull it on right these ones from what I gather you just fold the top down and pull them up and they go down really they go on really easy because they're so big at that point but then when you're folding that top part up it's so stiff that it just squeezes your legs so it's uncomfortable I don't know I don't know man i'm i'm like 90 i should say i'm like 80 sure i'm wearing my spds right now but do you think if

you did wear them and it went well could you eat a few more pounds i think it's pretty safe to say they do add some weight you know is it do they add more than 10 but is that at the cost of being like so thrown off that that's, that's my debate is I don't know. And the perfect, the perfect thing would be, Oh, I could warm up with my SBDs,

take them off and put these on just for my singles. But by that point, your legs are too sweaty and I don't think it works that way. I don't know. I got to think this through a little more. Cause I do think they definitely add to a better squat, but yeah, at this point you can see where that you can see where they wrapped around my calf where they wrapped around my quad and the back of my leg is

all like cut up looking too maybe i just have such baby soft skin but it was a weird training day that was very i was not ready for that right right yeah that's interesting yeah i was really hoping that maybe you'd tried them and you'd you could either say i'm a pussy or that uh no i haven't because i've you know i've been going bare knee for so long i have been wearing knee sleeves the last two weeks but since i'd been doing bare knee for so long just the sbd ones i'm like oh wow this is like uh like this is like a little cheat code oh i know it feels like it like my old worn my 10 year old s sleeves, I'm like, oh, this is like a little bonus here. Yeah, maybe I'll have to try them. Yeah.

Give them a try here. Even for just a set, I'm just curious what your take. Especially if the 2X is the right size for you, too. That's what I'd also really like to know. I'm getting worried about that. But I measured, and our measurement was just like a half inch difference so we were both kind of on the same one really i was like it was one where it's like yeah you were a half inch bigger than me which put you exactly at the 2x where me i was i was kind of sizing up but

i could not imagine going a smaller size than this it's just it would it would be terrible it'd be awful isn't it crazy i mean it's just like what you said though that those knee sleeves are equally legal to the ones that i don't know how that was a lot i mean you can't walk you can't walk normally in these like it when you're walking the second you bend your leg the knee sleeves are trying to straighten it back out that's what's so unbelievable is that it's allowed i don't know how that was ever a thing well and actually the way you squat now it should be particularly beneficial because you use a lot of knee travel oh yeah so they're really getting a they're really getting crunched they are at the bottom like yeah it feels like there's a ton of rebound there where if someone was really like a vertical shin angle squatter you know your knees you're not getting as much out of it.

Yeah. Cause yeah, the knee sleeves at most a 90 degree angle where with me, they're probably at like closer to a hundred and something. I don't know. Right. Okay. Well,

that has me intrigued and scared of even being able to use mine, but I'm like, should I have a three X? I don't know. Yeah. You need to give it a try and report back so was it just you and bryce but yeah it was me and bryce his dad showed up too old big tim showed up because bryce is coming to the he is coming i said bryce's mom might even

come too but bryce worked up to uh seven plates for five sets of for five singles tonight it was some some big squats going on up there yeah i see big keith asked it can someone explain hay is in the barn and i guess what i would say is you know once you cut your hay you rake it you bail it if it's square bales then load them on a trailer then you take the trailer to the barn and uh so once grazing season is over, you know, once you go through the winter months, you need hay to feed the livestock. So you fill the barn with hay during hay season. It's the fruits of your labor.

You put all this work in to grow this hay, and then you bale it and harvest it, and then it's in the barn, which it's ready to go. So, like, the hard work is over. There's a little bit of work to be done, but all the preparatory hard work is done once the hay is inside of the barn. And a lot of times it would go up in the loft in the second story, so people are pitching square bales. Another name for square bales that I always liked is idiot cubes

because you get all the idiots to go handle the square bales. Yep. Not fun. idiot cubes yeah because you get all the idiots to go handle the square bales yep not fun and you will uh cough up and uh blow black chunks out of your nose for the next three days after that yes so that's when the hay is in the barn so right now we're in that we're still coughing up the black shit but we're still working on it uh i saw well i guess so otherwise training update though so yeah okay maybe you got a few heavy you've got a few heavy lifts left then still i'm sure right yeah so this week this week is my last heavy deadlift and then next week is my last heavy squat and heavy bench so what will your deadlift be do you have any idea this week

uh it's showing like 465 ish and so if the day's feeling good that number could go up by yeah it could be like 475 so if we're going to talk if we're going to talk training update here quick i will tell i i was back in aberdeen this past weekend and me and ryan were talking deadlift flying ryan understand ryan yes we were talking deadlifts for a while and i said that this past friday was the first time ever in my life that my deadlifts felt a while and i said that this past friday was the first time ever in my life that my deadlifts felt like they just had pop to them actually was that when you did uh the one you posted there where it uh that was my single yeah and like that felt pretty pretty damn good yeah but then my back down sets were like uh um it was like 365 for i think four sets of three

and it just i think every set got faster than the set before. It's just my deadlift has never felt like that. And it felt like every rep, it felt like it was only accelerating up off the floor. I've never had that feeling. And I'm like, I don't know, maybe something's clicking here actually. And it has been a few, I was talking with Ryan. There's been a few very minor, but several very minor form changes over the past several months. And I don't know if that's-

What do you think? Like anything in particular? So I told him, I said, part of these were just like what I've heard you and Tanner both say more and more guys at the gym are doing. I brought my stance in a couple inches. I used to be like a shoulder width guy because in my head, that's a more athletic position that's a more natural feeling position makes sense i think it does but logically everyone i feel like i've heard you say this and multiple guys are doing it they keep bringing it in i thought i got nothing to lose here and so i'm noticeably in farther which is

probably still only a couple inches right so i got that um i've also put the bench about the belt up about two inches higher so my belt when i squat it sits basically over the middle of my belly button now the bottom edge of the belt is kind of right at the top of my belly button maybe even just a bit above so you know that's a couple inches up and i don't know if you know someone a little on the taller end if that just helps you be in whether it helps starting position or what but i feel like i'm just just flat back to the whole way through i feel like i'm just in such a good position and it stays and i just feel like for the first time i have pop off the floor it just feels great and i i don't know maybe and maybe it's just different approach in

general i'm not sure i don't know what it all is, but for whatever reason, deadlift has never felt this good before. Well, I thought, wasn't it like four 55 you did for a double? I did that for a while. Yeah. I thought that that looked really good that I'm like,

Oh, that looked easy. You know, I'm sure it does in the time. It doesn't feel easy. Yeah, it didn't feel easy, but now,

especially now that I've had some time and I look back on that video, I'm like, man, that looks even easier reviewing it. I know the higher belt position on deadlift, Ryan uses this analogy that he got from George Lehman. And I don't know if this is exactly accurate or not, but you can glean some sense, make some sense.

But if you've got a twig. If you think of your back as a stick. Right, and you're going to bend on each side. Where does it want to break at? It's in the middle. Not like the bottom third where people typically put their back. Yeah, I remember him saying that. And I always thought that seemed dumb.

That came from George Lehman. It does, yes. I mean, it probably came from someone besides that. But I know that that's where he and i and others have heard if you look so like if people don't know go look at videos of george lehman i mean his his belt is like over his sternum just about it's yeah it's like a right under his pecs right and i don't i don't does ryan put it that high he doesn't put it that high but he puts it pretty high and larry kind of played around with going that high too didn't he yeah the other uh And Larry kind of played around with going that high too, didn't he?

Yeah, the other Sergeant Anderson at the gym does that too. See, and I've only gone up, so I'm not even close to that still. Again, I've raised like maybe two or three inches, but I don't know, that might help my starting position just enough. So whatever it is, it's feeling good right now. I don't wear mine that high, but I do wear it higher than I wear on my squat. Okay.

See, and I've never done that. Like this is the first time I've ever done. My rule of thumb on deadlift is I wear a higher and looser, not loose, but looser than squat. I wear it lower and just about as tight as I can go. And then deadlift,

I'm like a notch pulled back from that. And just to the naked eye, you might not even think about it being that much higher, but it isn't a high it's like, it's really my, the way it sits on my gut, it's more on top of it. Whereas in the squat,

I want it like completely like maximum compression when you're at the bottom of the hole there. Right. That's my personal, I do think for anyone and everyone that is a personal preference thing. I wouldn't say whatever we're saying is right or wrong. I do think that that is more like a personal preference thing.

But as a general rule of thumb, I always like it a little looser and a little higher on deadlifts. Because if it's too tight, I have a really hard time getting that air at the bottom. Yeah, the starting position. That's where I fought with that for years is I kept thinking, okay, it just needs to be as tight because squat it was tight

as possible and then deadlift and it just never i never felt like even the starting position felt good and for the first time even the starting position feels good so right so you'll have a heavier dead and then you said yeah so do you have a uh bench that's about will be above the 315 that you did actually next week i probably do next week it won't show me those numbers it's a week away but yeah in theory i i would have one that probably like 320 325 i would guess yeah i would guess i saw i watched that 315 again and i'm like that looked really easy it did feel that was one that even surprised me because of it felt better than I thought. And it's been a long time since that's felt like that too. So yeah, we'll see there, but so it's really all going pretty well. I mean, yes, it is. It is. It is. And I,

now I can really see the light at the end of the tunnel knowing I can get through, you know, deadlifts always been the big hurdle for me. So if I can hit my deadlift this week, that's a lot of momentum. And then next week it's just like basically two good days and then we're in full-on peaking mode well actually that's when stuff really starts to drop out then you know it starts to take it off so that's the hardest work has been done i believe do you think it's true that the meat doesn't really start until the bar hits the ground i know it's true and that's the worst part of it is that the meat does not start until the bar hits the ground so uh when it's your least favorite lift you're like it's like larry says all right you get done with bench all right let's just pack it up go home now

see i always loved the format of the meat because i'm always like yes thank god let's get the squad over first thing in the morning bench i'm more into that all right cool and then yeah let's end with deadlift like whoever set that order up i'm like real glad that they did and i'm like on the exact opposite scale where it's like favorite next favorite least favorite just the day gets worse like that like being like all right the fuck yeah squats and it's like oh great now that's over like like like for me it's always been like this gradual ramp up of uh like excitement of the lift almost um although even being a better bencher than a squatter bench is certainly more boring oh it is but also can you imagine if the meat started with bench like that would be uh people like oh god a real snooze to start the day. Yeah. You have also been hitting some pretty crazy lifts over there.

Most of my training is going good. I am having some stumbles, but my lower body stuff is kicking butt right now. I deadlifted Sunday, and my top set of five from the floor was 585. Yeah. And there I, you know, I did 577 the week before or two weeks before. So then a little bit lighter one. And I did have it in the schedule that next week would, if I'm feeling good, would be one heavier week against still two.

I have the option kind of where like this week where if I'm feeling good would be one heavier week again still too i have the option kind of where like this week where if i feel really good which i have been like every week i feel like i have my um training load at like dialed in right now where i'm yeah where i just feel like i'm recovering like i can do hard shit and still be like not like i can't be doing five sets of deadlifts right now i'm doing like one real hard set of deadlifts and a couple like me you know like you could phone it in i'm trying not to phone it in i'm trying to move them with intent and stuff but so i might have one heavier deadlift yet than that but i did do 585 for a set of five which i've only ever done two other times so that's like tied for that crazy to think about it though yeah yeah so the heaviest

i've ever done i think i said it before 600 for a set of five so that would be really cool but i'm not real sure that that's what i'm gonna because i not gonna do something stoop some couple of the guys in the gym asked like oh you should have done 600 and i'm like i'm really happy i did 585 because they it was hard but like not that hard i got done and like 10 seconds later i'm like i feel good like my back i feel ready very ready for the next thing so i don't want i'm not going to sell my soul right now to because i could get 600 for a set of five i'm positive of it but i don't know what it would be at what cost and i do not have that many at what cost training days in my body like i have almost none of those like where it will mess me up for already used all those lives yeah Yeah. Yes, I have like none of those.

Realistically, I have like none of those lives left in me. It would be very fun. So I will only do it if I go into it thinking like I can do this. But see, that is the thing though. As fun as that is, if you didn't have a comp, it would be like, well, you just have that program within the next month. That will happen for sure. Right. But when you have a comp it'd be like well you just have that program within the next month like that'll happen for sure right when you have a comp you're like you know it actually doesn't change it only at this point could really hurt right by you know that's like you're not gonna get stronger no i'll only do it if i'm like basically i mean i'll i say 100 just like when i

did my first warm-up actually i changed the way i'm doing my lifts kind of and then i'm like this is what works so well for me that i feel like i've kind of figured out on this is i do you know you have your top set and then your back downs whatever my back downs are going to be i do one set of those before my top set so if your back downs get like my back downs were 525. Yep. So I did 525 by five first for one because I need like I can't go to get you going. Yeah, I need a set at a significant enough weight to get me going. And then I do my top set and then i do my one other

bat you know the back down and i do the same thing with squat i do one of the back down sets first and then i do the it's just like a confidence thing for me that helps me like you could argue you're slightly more fatigued but the back down sets are not that hard no they're not it's like so i am it is working really well for me mentally right now that i really love doing the one of the back down sets before the how did you even settle on that that was an idea i just was like when i was warming up uh you know a few months ago i was on deadlifts i'm like god i think i have this in me but I just feel so not confident right now. And like my deadlift is all comp like my deadlift runs on confidence. Like if I walk into the gym and feel

unconfident, like I could have put five plates on and it, and five reps could be hard, but because I felt so confident, I put six plates on, not saying it was easy, but like the entire time I knew I was getting five, like there was zero doubt in my mouth. You do the first rep and you're like, Oh yeah, like this is going to be hard, but I know I'm getting this. Right. So I did. And I was like, what can I do here? And I, cause I don't like the idea of doing a ton of like, I'm not jumping 10 pounds and put like like i start to get unconfident by making too small of jumps also because i'm like then like what i'm like why the fuck am i jumping making this tiny ass jump can i do that or not and then i'm like so i don't want to waste time and work

with like all these excessive warm-ups so that was my thought i'm like well what if i just one of these back downs i'm just gonna do it first like i'm not gonna be that freaking tired from one set here you know know, that I can't still do my top set. And I did it. And I'm like, cause then I do that and I'm like, get slightly mentally aroused for it, but like not to the point of where I'm going to do my top set. And then I'm like, okay, I know you're ready to go.

Right, right. So that was my take on it. I don't know. Um, other people could argue that it's stupid or whatever but just mentally I know it's really working well for me on squat and deadlift so I do like that and I'd never

done it that way before but I do really like applying it that way and then so I do my 18 inch deadlifts after my regular deadlift and I did an AMRAP set of on that did, uh, an AMRAP set of on that same day. I did an AMRAP set of 12 at, uh, that same weight of, what do you mean? Oh yeah. You're saying you did an AMRAP and you did, well, I guess it really wasn't even

AMRAP, but it was a high rep set. Like these high rep sets are what get me the worst. So I've only been doing those once a month and i did my high rep set at and so and i've did i did more reps than i've ever done on it before because i did 10 the time a month before that and this time i did 12 and i feel felt way better after this 12 than i did after the 10 a month ago like i was really tired so do you think that's work capacity and strength both going up or um i think part of it is uh getting more efficient at how i think i should be doing that 18 inch deadlift yeah like i think like what i've really learned on the 18 inch deadlift for me i don't think about it like

my regular deadlift at all like when i deadlift i am thinking about like kind of like ripping the bar off the floor in a way like i know that that's not exactly what you're doing and that's funny you say that that's funny you say that because i've changed my mentality that's how i used to think of the deadlift is right this thing off the floor and now my mentality is like nope just be patient it's gonna come yep and it does and that's on the 18 inch deadlift i don't think about picking the bar up at all actually all i think about is bracing i'm just like i just keep bracing and get it above my knees and then all i think about is sitting back and it just it's just like it is not a deadlift to me almost at all it is just like a really tight brace for a couple inches and then slide it up.

It's almost like, I don't even know. It's just so unlike the deadlift to me. So part of that, I think, is just getting a little bit. Yeah. That sounds like a very different technique than how you would. It is. To me, they're vastly different lifts. Yeah.

Which is funny because they're both deadlift one's just higher than the other you're just a partial but uh it just that just shows that shows to me like if you're utilizing rack pulls as an accessory movement to your deadlift you really need to consider how you're doing those because what i'm doing is not an accessory to my deadlift. What I'm doing is trying to pull that as much as I can from that height. And in order to do that, I'm completely changing my tech, everything about my technique to do it. It's like what I'm saying, it's not even a deadlift. So that's why I think that's a little bit, can be a bogus accessory if you're treating it that way. You know, if you're like no i'm just

going to do this in a way that's more advantageous that i can do more you know then i'm like well i can totally see i don't know if that's really carrying over then that's my harebrained idea that's all the good stuff a bad stuff is my pressing my shoulders are not terrible but they're just the last two weeks it's just been a little funky that I'm like, Oh, a little bit of a roadblock there. So I've had to kind of pull back on that and I'll just, from the pressing that's banging them up or is there, I guess so. I guess so.

Like there's no specific incident or anything. It's just like I going to the gym the last two, three weeks and being like, this was feeling so good. And now all of a sudden it's just like feeling like kind of like crap. You know, it's just the movement through the range of motion is just feeling a little like crap all of a sudden well you know what they say though is it will be there on meat day so you don't even you don't give a worry about it when it comes to my pressing power i'm a hundred percent relying on it being on there on meat day because my training for it is subpar for like the most

important part of the uh preparation so 100 percent uh you know if i was to be doing something uh competition i will hope that it's there on me day the the only setback that i'm suffering at the moment is when we were in watertown at build fest eight uh build fast hq i was just doing dumbbell overhead press and i had a little neck tweak i've never tweaked my neck with overhead press with dumbbells before that's like the safest move for me had a little tweak it was kind of annoying at the moment well then it was bad to where like i could hardly turn my head that took a full like eight days to get past just got past it had about a good week of training stayed at my in-laws this past weekend. And I woke up one

morning, not my pillow, you know, I wake up on it and I'm like, I didn't even have to move. I'm like, I know exactly what happened here. Tweaked my neck somehow sleeping. And that was, so that was yesterday and it sucked all day yesterday. Felt it a little bit like the pressure i could feel it a little bit on squat today but it's definitely better uh but yeah it's just that neck pinch is so annoying i have the exact same thing too and i know we talked about it in watertown but i've i every time i just about get the log presses uh aggravates mine so much and it's not like it's not like not allowing me to lift it's more like my everyday stuff that's just all a pain in the ass because my neck is so stiff and sore all

the time that i'm like oh trying to back up my frankenstein yeah it doesn't have a backup camera so i'm trying to look around my shoulder and yes uh log press just aggravates the crap out of mine like it's just uh it's just until I quit log pressing for a while, it's going to be like that. For me, the two movements that I could, I quit doing them because I knew it would always cause the problem was overhead press with a barbell and front squats. Those would always agitate my neck. And I quit doing them like four or five years ago. And then I added them back in in the last couple years and I've never had an issue once and then all of a sudden this dumbbell it's like 45

pound dumbbells nothing crazy and just 45 pound dumbbell overhead press it just instantly I felt it and now now I'm fighting it yeah yeah The whole neck tweak. I'll take it any day over a back tweak though. Any day. Absolutely. That's what like the neck tweak is just a nuisance a little bit. Like it's not like it's just like, unless you know, it's just,

and you're trying to bench or something. But the worst to me is when it first, I first noticed it or it first happens every time. And I'm like, yeah, no, it's only like, ah,

this is only going to get worse in the next 24 hours and then am I on a four day course here? Am I on an eight day course? How long is this going to take? Right. You got a can over there? I do actually. What do you got? A little Waterloo

Orange Vanilla. I got the same as last week. Rarely do I repeat hardly anything, but this week I'm repeating the aquafina, tangerine, with ginger extract again this week. Didn't sound that good last week, and I'm not sure it sounds any better this week.

I think I'm optimistic about it turning. I wish I had what you're having. I'll have what he's having. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. That's a good one. Before this, my wife and I went out for dinner. We went and got some sushi.

Hadn't had sushi in a little while. And we settled on four. From the gas station? From the gas station. My preferred place. I want to make sure it's been sitting all day first too but uh settled on okay we'll do four rolls like yep that's gonna be the number and then they come over and it's buy two get one free today so it's like well we're doing six rolls now and uh yeah ate a lot

i was i was quite full but it was sitting good so um i i was in uh crew falls oh yeah we never talked about that actually yeah couple notes you had to come check out the flooding a the rain there was absolutely insane i saw a ton of houses like that were i was like holy fuck that house is underwater i told leah if that happened in aberdeen it just the town would be the town would be set back for six months. I saw literal, that was a legitimate flood. The Big Sioux River was so high. The Falls Park. Did you see any of the clips of that place? Yeah, I did.

Just nuts. It's crazy. But I've got a cousin that lives there, and he had said they had gotten 10, like at his house, they had gotten 10 inches in like the last four days. Yeah, there was, there was a lot. Luckily for me, I live on a hill, like kind of on the top of a hill. So it was basically not a problem.

I actually heard my sump pump run for the first time since I've lived here. But it basically wasn't an issue for us. But there was whole parts of town where you were driving and like, oh, see that river there that river there that's really big yeah there's a whole park under that and you couldn't even see it yeah like um we did cross country over i don't know what the name of the park if it's i can't remember the name of the park but then there's a high school football field that's right on the other side lincoln over right yeah and the field like the water was up feet on the field goal posts i was like holy shit like this is gonna take a while for that to go away yeah that was bad yeah like we were trying to get around and i'm like there was tons of like it was limited of what weight between the road construction and the flooding i'm like it was almost impossible

to get anywhere yeah i just stayed home for those days because i don't need to be going out into this and messing around here actually between the the road construction the flooding and then the traffic that was caused by it i'm like i am never going anywhere again because we just waited at a light for like oh my god 20 minutes and like one light this entire summer of us going anywhere in town and i was like hot like i'm like i just don't want to go back out because like i just i don't have the patience to sit there that long sioux falls has like a real problem of the city is outgrowing the infrastructure where it's just like it was like over by the mall there like on by 41st and stuff too i'm like it's terrible there like we tried to turn left for like you can't even do it like left turns are just out of the question and then just the number

of lights where you go and the light changes and then like you can sit through like three cycles of the light before it's your turn to go it's it's nuts but big city traffic when i when i was there a reoccurring topic or at least something we've covered on the podcast before, is Crumble Cookie. I've never been to Crumble Cookie before. Did you guys go? We went. Let's see.

I think it was just Jack and I at the time. We went because we were at the sports cards store. So is this the one by the mall that you were at? Yes, the one right in front of the mall, which is that's where I was. By the time we got that, I'm like like we're getting the hell out of here and we are not coming back to this part of town at all which happens to be in the same parking lot as a chick-fil-a so it also only adds to the craziness yes um but so we got we did the four pack i actually uh because i'm watching my girlish figure i had the i had a crumble of a crumble cookie

and i thought i mean it of course it tasted good like you know like i don't think there's any doubt like there's no question that of course tasted good um but even my kids got like sick of these before we even went. They're just so extreme. I'm like four pack of, four, like I just, I'm still baffled at the thought of the whole place is just these cookies where I'm like, how does everyone want cookies?

So many cookies all the time. Like I'd be like, are people getting this like multiple times a week i don't know because we even we probably since we've lived in town we've probably had crumble cookie three times and so that's a year and a half right and one of the times was just because i mean it's a dumb story and it was like crumble cookie ended up being the consolation prize for our kids. That wasn't the reason we left.

And we're like, ah, we said we're going to get them something else. Right, so let's go get cookies. Yeah, I totally get that. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't, because it's not even like donuts where you can kind of eat a lot of donuts. Right. Like, I guess you can eat a lot of crumble cookies.

Like, they're really sweet, though. But, God, you just, like, get destroyed putting those things down. Right. Right. you can eat like they're really sweet god you just like get destroyed putting those things down right i'm i i'm sure i'm completely in the wrong or in the minority there but i'm just like i don't see how like i see that this is a fad and that at some point because there's a second location probably not the adam went out by my house. There's now multiple locations in this town. But it is like cherry. I mean, I know I made this comparison before, but even Aberdeen all of a sudden had three frozen yogurt shops,

and now they are all gone. That was a poorly called bubble. You could say in hindsight for sure that was a bubble. Oh, yeah. That like cherry bear, like, because I don't know. I'm sure and they'll still exist somewhere there's a couple cherry berries in sioux falls and we actually went to one a while ago and uh it's just not good ice cream it's not good i'd pick so many places over that

so well and that's a hurdle that they have that's different because their product's not good right product is good at the end of the day it it is good. It's just so much. Like frozen yogurt, you're just doing fake. It's just like really sugary ice cream. It's almost like it's in the category of fake healthy food that's not actually healthy for you, and it's not delicious all at the same time. So you're like, what is the benefit of this?

Yeah, what's the redeeming factor here? I'll just go get good ice cream if I'm going to go do it, or I'll just eat healthy and skip the if I'm going to go do any, you know, or I'll just eat healthy and skip the ice cream altogether. I 100% agree, yeah. Cherry Berry is nowhere on my list of places that I want to stop at. Yeah. So that, I mean, we have kids,

so I would, of course, take them to a crumble cookie again because it's like, to me, that's a kid's thing. Like, I'm like, yeah, this is great for taking my kids like what you said i'm like oh yeah we just finished the soccer tournament we'll go to crumble cookie or you know like that to me that has a great application it is almost better though to think of it as like you're going to buy brownies because sometimes you think of cookies it's like oh i could put down a bunch of cookies but i don't know do you think about putting down a bunch of brownies? Because some of them are really crazy. It depends on the flavors of the day

because they're different a lot. Because when they have like the crazy chocolate ones with chocolate on top and chocolate frosting, like this is just a massive chocolate brownie. And even half of this is really, really rich. I'm not the target audience, of course, anyways. So it's easy for me to poo-poo it where other people probably love it. So it's just, I guess it just ain't my bag, baby.

But I could say that they're probably absolutely delicious. It wasn't like I ate part of that cookie and I was like, ew, gross. Yeah, no, they are good cookies. It is a different type of cookie, though, for sure. I would retract my one thought on it from before though i'm like it seems like before having been there i'm like ah it seems so expensive and now actually about four bucks a piece five bucks i think we got a four pack it's almost like a long donut box and it was like 16 or 17 dollars so yeah about four bucks a buck and i'm like really for what

you're getting and i'm comparing it to anything else you buy anywhere all the time i'm like really this does like for as much as you're getting there like if that's what you want like this is not that bad like i'm almost like this is reasonable even if you look at like a per calorie basis it's actually not too bad from a calorie breakdown i mean it's your number of calories but like the sheer number of calories you're getting for 16 bucks is quite a bit yeah and it was fast oh well that's you're lucky there because that's oh okay when i go sometimes like how the hell is there's no line i guess there's really no line i've been there when there's no line too and me and my wife both look at each other like i did they actually take our order when they said they gave us money?

One other question about this, and I know we've talked about this general thing. It's not explicit to do with Crumble Cookie, but Crumble Cookie, it really highlighted to me because of the process. So you walk up in line. There's not even anyone taking your order. You just go to the self-service kiosk and just pick what you want. You don't, you literally talk to nobody.

You do not speak to a human being. And then it goes through and it's like, what would you like to tip 10, 15 or 20%? I'm like, tip you for fucking what? I know. Tip who for what? Uh-huh. Like, like that was my, like I almost out loud. I'm like, who am i tipping i i know what

is it for there was like the tip is for like the personal interaction isn't it i 100 agree it's it's like i don't know this has been said a thousand times but this thing of always asking for tips everywhere what it's done is everyone's ruined it for each other because now everyone's like tips fuck no and then it's just like skip. Whereas before when it was first kind of ramping up, I'd be like, Oh, I'll give you,

I'll throw a couple bucks in for a tip. Right. And I was like, did you not make me a drink or make me food or bring me food or actually wait on me? I'm just like, no, no.

Like you. And then it's not even that it's now when you go to places, it's, do you want to donate to this? Do you want to donate to this? Do you want to support this? I'm like, no this i'm like no no no no no that's someone told me the rule like if you don't get to if you're not sitting down at the place uh of a food place it's not it's not tip worthy you know that or if you're like getting drinks like i get it you're

like you're you oh that's different yeah you operate off that's but that's who you tip but yeah that's how it's been like that's not a surprise it's like see that's the i'm and also like i'm tipping you because i want you to give me good service it's like yeah like when i'm who am i tipping the kiosk like who's this who's the money for you know it's i know it's so dumb and then they like handed me the box and i think said literally nothing and i'm like nobody even had to say a word. I don't know. I just, in that particular situation, especially, I'm like, nobody even had to speak to me. Why would I, you know, this isn't a personal interaction.

Here's another one. Okay. I got two more on the tipping. That's so stupid. One is Subway should never in a million years ask for a tip. Don't ask for a tip, Subway. You're Subway, not anything else. So please don't do that. So dumb. I always hit the i always just be lucky i'm giving you money for this god yes

like let's just take whatever thought you needed for tips and just think of a way to make this food better rather than just being the only option in certain areas so that one and then uh scooters coffee okay scooters drive-thru there's aberen has one. There's several in Sioux Falls. It's a drive-thru only coffee place. And what's so crazy there is before you even get your coffee, they'll ask you if you want to add a tip on. It's like, I haven't even got my thing yet. And I haven't seen it being made yet.

I have no idea what I'm getting. Why? How do I even properly assess a tip when I don't even know what I got, man? Right. So wild. That's the tip. Like our society has got. I do think our society has gotten out of whack on the tip thing, though.

I know everyone. I know everyone talks about it. It does. Because it's true, though. Because no one gets paid enough. But rather than figuring out how to make your business model better and paying people it's like oh we'll just pass it on to the consumer let them figure it out and all it does is piss everyone off it's so stupid right right and then you have to have this this like do you feel do you do you ever feel like oh i use scooters

then do you feel awkward if you're like no i used to but i've become immune to that now because every place asked for it it's like again you've all ruined it for each other because you all have overdone it so like or if you reserve it for the people who like then i then i you know i don't think about it's like what you said how it used to be for you you don't think about it as hard when it's only people that probably should ask for it in the last week places i've been okay driving back from aberdeen i had to get i had to stop at the coffee cup the truck stop and i had not eaten any food that day so i needed to get subway because i was not going to get a pizza hut personal pan pizza so subway asked for a tip hell no you're not getting a tip at subway same thing so you're saying subway in uh in in summit you go to the thing and before you even have your food it says there the

thing is there you know tip and it's like no no no no no and then same thing go to scooter's coffee get a small cold brew it's like four bucks you pull around to the window with your card they go would you like to add a tip onto that i say no i haven't even seen my shit yet what am i tipping i don't even know what i'm tip how could i even properly assess a tip I don't even know what I'm getting you know it makes no sense so it's like a pure will you purely arbitrarily just give us more money than what we're asking for the this is like just so that's one you go to get groceries at Hy-Vee every time you're at Hy-Vee and you go to the self-checkout it asks if you want to round up to the nearest dollar to help some whatever and at first I used to do that and I'm like nope nope you guys have ruined that too so that one at first I used to do that. And I'm like, Nope, Nope. You guys have ruined that too. So that one's out. I go to Petco today to get my dog's pet food. And it's

the same thing. She goes, yep. It's going to ask you some questions there. I'm like, what is Petco going to ask me? And it's, would you like to help in troubled pets or whatever? And your option is like five, 10 or $20. I'm like, no, these are not, no canceled no imagine these poor employees that have to say the phrase which has become a joke that was the first time i had not heard that so long it's like how can you ask that without laughing at this point like oh it's just good here it's just gonna ask you a few quick questions back oh what questions is it going to ask me? Ma'am, this is a pet call. You didn't make anything. Don't ask me.

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Yeah. Yeah. So title topic is a relatively new segment of the MathSomics podcast where we pick a title and then we evolve a topic around the title and this week's title topic is do you need a power lifting coach question mark and the funniest part about this is like a greg doucette voice do you need a powerlifting coach like ptsd on that it's enormous um are you enormous you need a coach the funniest part about this title is unknown to me when we were talking about this someone in the crew tipped us off and i think big toby put it out there is that this is the title of episode 55 of the mass dynamics podcast and we did we do know that now and we ultimately decided not to change it because we

thought it would be fun uh i do not know i have absolutely no idea what we said in episode 55 that was back in april i kind of of 2017 i actually kind of remember that day i probably in tyler's basement it was i kind of remember that because i remember talking about it was so it was april yep that's what had been my guess i remember it was after the the sioux falls meet because it's one of those things okay okay the meet's done now what I do? What do I do now? And I remember sort of talking about that and I had been doing a bunch of research into what RPE was for the first time. And I think I was also looking into some templates from the strength athlete and that's how it, and I, because I believe I start talking about the, the general concepts of auto-regulation in there. I think is what gets discussed.

Okay. Well, it'll be interesting. So continue listening to this episode. See what we have to say. And then if you're so inclined, go back to episode 55. Listen to what the three of us at the time said then and let's see how it compares seven years later.

It's one of those things where I think the more things change, the more they stay the same probably i'm wondering maybe our opinions change obvious like i think the environment around this topic has significantly changed in seven years um but i did write down a few bullet points here and we'll just we can randomly touch on anything but that was the first thing i wrote down even though it was just like the trends over time, especially between when we very first started powerlifting. And now I think there has been an actual enormous change in this perception around a powerlifting coach or needing a powerlifting coach. Like in 2012, when I was first getting into like competing of any kind and you know i'd done a few strongman shows and uh so it's like 12 years ago now i don't know that i knew a single person that had a coach

i didn't know a single person that had a lifting coach at all i i okay first of all yes i think you're right and also if you were to say name some coaches, I would have really struggled to even come up with who those people are. That's absolutely. I would have, I think I could have said like people that you could move to their city and train with them probably become part of their training crew. But as far as just straight up exchange money with someone online for coaching, I would have had a hard time coming up with a very comprehensive list there. Especially because you bring up a good point, online coach. I mean, I'm not saying they didn't exist, but it was not prevalent. It was not like,

hey, I'm going to get into this. Where's a coach? I need a coach in order to do this. Well, and also people don't realize that like exchanging videos online and even in 2012 was not the easiest process. It's so easy now. You didn't really, you could text videos to people then, but they looked really shitty. They didn't look good. Well, and what were you taking your video with? I mean, the video was shitty. Right.

Like the video was shitty before you even sent it, like relatively speaking. So I just like, that's my first thought on the whole thing like i have bias because of what we did and what i did and what everyone i knew did but see i liked it so much that my first thing wasn't who do i get to coach me to teach me how to do this my thing was what can i read like who can i talk to trial and error the experience right yeah yeah and what can i try myself and then come back like and what's working and like what's working for the 15 other guys that i left with that are doing the same thing and like you know reading forums and articles and uh you know listening to people that knew more about it than me, that was kind of like, that was the fun part because that's to me how you like dove into it

headfirst is trying to figure out like, what was the thing, the right, what were the right quote unquote, right things to be doing. And I'm not saying that you don't do that if you have a coach because you absolutely still could. But I think there's a difference in mentality of like maybe having it uh like kind of almost spoon fed to you versus and i don't know it's like you i would get into it i cautious to say that because i don't want to say it as like uh the righteous thing to do is to to teach yourself it's not and everyone is different too like everyone like this is one area and we're going to get not, and everyone is different too. Like everyone, like this is one area and we're going to get into this, is everyone is wildly different

in the way they want to learn things, the way they learn things the best. So there's so many individual preferences here that it's very hard to, there's not a right answer for everyone. That is for sure. Right. But I think without question,

and this is our time frame of reference, 12 years ago, it was very uncommon to run into people in the gym that are powerlifting and have a powerlifting coach. Oh, I remember. Because I would have been like, what are you talking about? The first person I ever knew personally

that hired a powerlifting coach was Thick Nick. And that was right after we got to the second gym location so what was that like 20 did he have matt winning he hired matt winning right away and i'm like one i've never known anyone that has actually hired an online coach this is crazy right and then the fact that your online coach is matt winning what like he'll just take someone on as a client like that blew my mind i didn't right it was just such a crazy concept to me then and then um my follow-up point to that and I'd be curious if you if you I'm not positive this is true it's just a thought of mine so the shift to way more people having coaches now there's a ton of factors like part of it is just straight up the internet but do you think it's

led like the shift do you think it's led by younger shift? Do you think it's led by younger lifters? Like people that are not in their mid thirties, like people that haven't been lifting for like 10 to 15 years. Do you think it is newer lifters into the sport that lead? Like, it's just like a shift kind of like a, just a shift of what, like it's just common now.

And I just, right. That is a good, actually. So just right yeah that is a good actually so that is that is a interesting topic and the one that I can speak to anecdotally just from my limited experience is when I was going to a personal or a commercial gym one of the only kids that I ever talked to he was a high schooler he was you could tell getting into powerlifting he was starting to get strong one of the very first topics he wanted to discuss with me was who he was going to hire as his coach. And I remember just thinking like, man, like the times that obviously knowing that a powerlifting

coach existed in high school, like the early two thousands, that, that for sure wasn't a thing. Like you didn't know that existed, but to already be like a junior in high school and already be like trying to think of what online coach you're going to be hiring i'm just thinking like you have so many years of newbie gains ahead of you man that i don't i don't know if the coach really honestly even matters at this point as long as you're not being a total idiot with your training which right you've got to go to the gym you've got to lift you've got to do you know but i also think a lot of that stuff like technique stuff like that maybe a coach is a um gives you a head start on some of that stuff but i i still believe you can figure a lot of that like yeah i don't i guess what i'm dancing around is like anything almost anything a coach tells you you can figure most of that stuff if you have the

aptitude and the desire to learn figure it out yourself yeah but some people don't i'd say all right where i would say just from again my experience has seen a few sides of this what massonomics has what makes it different is that you're surrounded by people that for the most part are um like proficient enough like they're not right doing things that are actively wrong and bad right like everyone there for the most part i could say like anyone that's been going to massadomics gym for over five years if someone walked in was like i need help learning to squat bench deadlift whatever it's like see someone that's been going there for more than five years you can probably ask them they're not going to claim to be the expert but they're

probably going to give you some really solid tips and if you just go over the next several months you're going to get that cleaned up whereas on the flip side of it if you just pop into some random commercial gym and you're just like just grinding through it for a year or two you might not ever have anyone say anything to you. And then you're in a commercial gym. So you might feel more awkward about filming it. And like, I can see how the tech,

like you get a fast track on technique at massonomics for sure. Right. And that's a limited window. I view life through. So I get lost in that. But that is the, that is the environment of having a training crew where you have a crew that does.

I've always had. Yes. That sort of works as like coaching as a co-op model where it's like yeah like no one's ever going to be like all right this is coaching session but there's going to be enough guys that are strong and knowledgeable that like all right these guys kind of told me this thing these guys told me this he saw this and said this and like just like what we talked about you see ryan wearing his belt higher than that it's like well why are so why are you doing that and then he's like his that's why he does it and you're like oh okay and then like you

see a different guy in there that like maybe you that's also pulling a lot and you ask like well you don't do your belt and you kind of explain well i do mine maybe slightly higher than you're like okay so maybe there is something to this higher thing where if you're on your own you might never even get to that spot right so that So that is really true, though, that it is kind of like coached by a group. It's sort of like you're plugged into the matrix and you kind of do get that upload of, all right, this is how all the good people do it. Do, do, do, do, do, do. And you're like living it.

Whereas in the commercial gym, you just see so much bad form that you start to actually struggle to know what's good from bad because you're surrounded by more bad than good. Right, right. Yeah. to actually struggle to know what's good from bad because you're surrounded by more bad than good right right yeah and like what a real life thing that happens a lot is we'll get new members that join and you know there may be they probably haven't competed in powerlifting before but they're like wanting to get into that you know they like know about mass dynamics gym so they want to get into it and i'll get them signed up and a lot of them you know it's happened many times last like if I do coaching or if I would like coach them or anything like that. And what I, I don't, I obviously don't, and I don't want to, and I don't feel like that

would be a good use of my time. And like, I don't feel like that's a great skillset for me, but what I always tell all of them, and now that you say it, most gyms aren't going to be like this. So it's not fair to assume everyone would have that advantage. But what I tell them is exactly what you said. I'm like, if you just show up here repeatedly, week in and week out and come and hang around the people that are here, you will figure out the answers to any question you possibly have. Like it is almost as valuable as a coach because

you have a whole crew of coaches that'll actually give you different you know nuanced opinions between what they think and you might start to feel like you pick up pieces you know multiple pieces from a variety of different people but and i believe that that's true and i've seen it work for a lot of people that have come there but but that's probably, that's not the experience. A lot of people are going to get at a lot of normal gyms. Yes, it's not, it's, it's definitely not, but that's also like ties into kind of why picking where you lift matters a little bit if you're not lifting in a home gym, but also even picking a home gym like that, that matters too. Like that does change things. I personally couldn't imagine if I was starting out on my strength journey being like, yeah, I'm just going to start in a home gym and see how that goes.

Like that's wild to me now after like the history I've had to think like that would be the starting block. I mean, some people definitely do it and they make it work, but that to me feels like you're taking the video game and putting it on the extra hard setting, like right from the start. Right. Yeah, that's true. Uh, one other thought I have, there's obviously way more coaches now. Like over the last decade, there's way, way more powerlifting coaches that exist. You know, someone that would say, I am a powerlifting coach, way more. But there's also way more powerlifters. So part of that makes sense too, just the growth of the sport.

There's going to be more coaches around. Yeah, way more competitors, yes. Right, there's just way more competitors, so there's going to be way more coaches that kind of obviously make sense um but what i see too this is kind of a um not sure what my exact point is here but there is this coaching pyramid and i'm not saying it's a pyramid scheme but it's like everyone that is a coach has a coach and everyone that coaches then the people they coach start coaching and like at a certain point i'm like i know this isn't a multi-level marketing scheme because it's there's not money going up and down the funnel but but there's elements of that to me almost.

I'm like, why is everyone a coach? And what really would make me think about that, even five, ten years ago, I would think, when I'd see these people that coach online, and I'm like, well, I know who your coach is, and I see that you're offering coaching and it appears to be similar to the coaching that your coach offers why if I'm going to pay for coaching when I'm plugged in enough to know who your coach is and what you're doing why would I not go to that person that right to the source like yeah why would i not and i always wondered that that's always a theory i had i'm like prices is is are we

talking a difference in price is the price that much different or if is it someone that's local to you or not i can understand how some people might prefer to have a local coach that you're doing the i would totally get that's a really good point but if you're doing the online thing at a certain point you're like why don't I just go to the guy that is the guy. Right. And has the pedigree. Because. Right. I know Dave talks about this a lot. Like he has his ranking for how you rank coaches you know.

Right. In his criteria. What's your experience like you know what have you done yourself as far as lifting goes like what have you done as far as coaching goes like who have you coached. Yeah. What have been the results of the people you've coached? And like, he adds those up and gives you a score or whatever. And I do, those are really important questions to ask.

And some people can wait those, you know, some people, they might put a lot of emphasis on a coach that has like walked the walk. Like if my coach doesn't have a 2000 pound total, I don't trust him. And then there's other people that it's like, I actually don't care how much my coach has lifted. All I care about is the results they've gotten and right you see there's a full spectrum of that of people on each extremes for how far they've taken those right and that does go back so do you want Brandon Allen to be your coach who's totaled 2,300 pounds was coached by

Chad Wesley Smith or do you want Steve DiNovi to be your coach? Who will be the first to tell you that, like, he's like, when we had him on, he's like, I've never really been able to lift much, but I've been able to coach a lot of people at a national level. But here's who I've coached. Or world level, even. Yeah.

So that's valid. Both valid. You know, it's all valid considerations. And there again, there's not a right or wrong to that. I don't think necessarily. But I guess you just look at it in totality for somebody, probably whether they're valuable or not at that. But do you agree with me at all on the pyramid thing? Oh, I 100% get what you're saying.

Because especially like with bigger lifters where, you know, because they'll say, oh, I'm working with so-and-so for this meet. And you're like, oh, that's a big-time coach. You're a big-time lifter. But at the same time, that person is offering coaching. It's like, and then maybe someone that lives with them. And that person that's offering coaching is offering coaching. Like you can start to see the coaching tree. Yeah, right.

In the NFL, they always talk about these coaching trees of who's descendants of who. And pretty soon you're like, well, I just go, like, that coach is still in the tree. I can just go to the top branch and get him. Well, and I don't know if it's because I think maybe it's not, maybe it's easier said than done. But I always feel like any time I've even considered that of, like, well, if I, you know, do I want someone to coach me? You know, like, I always feel like the person at the top of tree the tree would have been accessible at least to some degree that it's like i'm just

going to that person like i'm just going directly to the source but i guess maybe there's some people that are so big well there definitely are some people that are so big they don't take new clients so maybe that is where you get your foot in the doors at a lower level. Right. Let's see. I'm not sure what's next on your list, but I do have some points too. Yeah, you go ahead with whatever you got. Okay, so I was going to say another thing. Okay, there's two things we're going to talk about.

Two things that I want to hit on here is the changing landscape from the first time we had this conversation and then some advantages of a a coach but also consider if these are advantages so maybe we should know we've never actually paid for coaches so maybe we are maybe we are the wrong guys in this equation that's we have we obviously have bias in the whole discussion and i probably have a tone with the whole thing and i also don't think that either one is right or wrong like i absolutely think there's lots

of people that should have coaches. So I'm not knocking anyone that has a coach. I want people to know that. Right. Exactly. We're just talking through the merits of all of them here. So one, that's interesting. The last time we had this conversation, what did we say? 2015 or 16 or 17. Okay. 2017 back then, I would say your options for, okay are my next steps were basically you hired a coach you had a local coach you figured it out on your own or you paid for a template those were kind of your options you know you buy a template from whoever I mean there's tons of people that were selling templates so you buy their template or you pay for coaching from them or you figure it out on your own those those kind of that sort of felt like the options at the time.

Right now. Right. What's really pretty cut and dry between the different ones. Yeah. Yeah. What's really changed since then is the advent of apps. And this is where you can say that we're biased and have a conflict of interest here because we've gone pretty heavily on juggernaut AI. Right. And what what does that fall closer to it definitely falls closer to a template than it does to a live coach in the way that it's just in a way prescribing you reps it's not giving you live feedback on your lifting your technique things like that it's it's has a certain template in mind and it's adjusting based off of the feedback you're providing it it also does have some flexibility in the framework but it is much closer to a template than it is to a live coach it's like a way better adjusting template yes like it's like

there's formerly templates that were very cookie cutter and this like takes that to uh the almost like the final degree like the final form you can get of a template without having a person that's like yeah like really the biggest thing missing from like juggernaut ai or i don't know if you want to say like the irp hypertrophy app or right whoever you evolve it whoever you think you need to get your power lifting uh uh app from the biggest thing is i would say the live feedback of form but also correct me if I'm wrong here Tanner I don't know if it was Chad when he came to town you know we had so many conversations someone told us this and I 100% agree with this we've talked about this a ton offline

is this concept that form is sort of in a way overrated and I know I could have swore it was Chad but maybe it was somewhere else he talked about how they'd have these seminars and people would show up and they'd, they just want to talk about form and critique form and look at my form on this and look at my form on this. Like, you know what the valuable part of this seminar is, is the part where we discuss your programming. That's what actually gets you stronger. They're like, yeah, I mean, I can critique your deadlift form, but there's people that are crazy strong and do it the way you're doing it. And there's people that are crazy strong and do it a totally different way. Like that's what everyone wants though.

And that's what he said. Like, so I wish I could remember who we had this conversation. I think, I think we did talk about that with Chad. He's like, yeah, there's all these people that they just,

all they want their, their, their seminars to be is just a form critique. And they're like, man, like that's not really like at a certain point there's things like to a certain like you need like you need to have the basics yeah like we need to make sure you're not doing anything wrong right like little things that's like certain

to hurt yourself but like we're not all of a sudden going to make this little tiny tweak and that's what took you from a 400 pound squat to a 600 pound squat it's like right no what took you from there is like you actually did good programming over the course of three years and you were stayed consistent. We're assuming that's a given at this point. Right. Right. Um, but like that kind of does go back to the thing of like, yeah, I mean, I guess how, what emphasis do you place on form? And that's just, I don't know. I feel like the longer we've done this, the more you go to the gym, you see people of all sizes, strength and body types, watch IPF worlds, watch national level competitions. I mean, you'll see a thousand different varieties of form. People are all

built differently. You know, they're all built differently and they all do it different lengths. I mean, just go to the, just go to the massonomics. There's people that look more efficient and there's people that look like what you would say. people are built to be efficient at it you know like some people have the lever lengths that it's like you know their deadlift is going to look like but even even you and ryan nothing okay at your peak you both have deadlifted around 700 pounds i'd say you guys and you both conventional deadlift i'd say even as guys that are of comparable size have had a similar top end deadlift same same stance i'd say most people look and say that's a fairly different right like the way you two ryan deadlifts more efficiently than i do like i think if you looked at the two you'd be like

ryan's that's what you would want to dead you know you're you'd look at and be like yep that's what i like people would look at it like that's what yep, that's what I like. People would look at it and be like, that's what I want. Right. But that's the thing, whether he actually is more efficient or not, like you, I could say, I can make that argument. Some people might say yes. Some people might say no, but whether if you wanted to, I don't think you could do any amount of training in a million years to make your deadlift look like Ryan's. I don't think it's exactly possible. Right. And that's like the biggest one to me is the squat because I'm not capable. You know, if someone that can do this perfect, like, you know, just has the right combination. Do you think in a million years, your squat would ever look like mine does right now? I don't think, I don't know that I physically can do that.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I don't think so. Like that's. No matter what, because of the length, like my back in order for the barbell to stay over the center of my body. Like I can't, you know, it just, you know, you can certainly do things different in your high bar is going to look different than your low bar, et cetera, and all that stuff. But to a certain extent, no, like no matter what it won't. And I mean, we know, you know, that that's true. Like,

you know, when you're enough or on enough lifters you're like some people have that where you're like oh yeah that person was like born to squat like it just or to move in that pattern like they figured out the best pattern to do that and so again i guess tying this back to the coach thing is like does the coach help you get your live like does the coach give you feedback to like move your technique to get it there faster? Maybe. I don't know, though. That's not a given.

Just because you have a coach, that's not a given. So, yes, maybe they do help you get to your optimal technique faster or the technique that that coach favors. But, again, that's not necessarily saying that that's the right path either. Because it kind of goes back to the thing we were talking about. These things all come from experience that in our in our from our viewpoint right right right uh yes the ai coaching really has changed that perception from us in like 24 to 17 because as we use juggernaut ai it kind of would like i would say it almost like had completely scratched that itch for me where it's like the,

the, the more advanced programming that I would want from a coach. I'm like, kind of feel like, I mean, you could get something different. Like peaking. Yeah.

That's something you don't get a ton of runs at, you know, you can get a different coach and get someone to tell you something different. We know from, but it's argue about what is telling you something that's right or wrong. You know, that's like very subjective. We've had enough talk with guys over the years that either do offer coaching

or have hired coaching. And, I mean, I've heard some people's peaking strategy. I'm like, I don't know much, but I'm pretty sure that is not how that's supposed to work. Like, that's not how a peak should look. And that, again, is is just i don't know it's comes down to good and bad coaching maybe right well then that's a really good point though too like it most of it like a good coach is infinitely more valuable than a bad one and that goes pretty much goes without saying but it's worth saying that

there's both really good and really bad out there, and probably price isn't always the perfect indicator of that. I did wonder the question, can you say who needs a coach or who doesn't need a coach? But the more I think about that, I don't know if there's even any universal, nope, this is the category of people that should hire a coach universal nope this is the category of people that should hire a coach and this is the category of i'd struggle to answer that question too i really would i'd have i think um if you're a really high level lifter i think yes i think those people should have a coach i think that's the closest you get to a blanket statement you are competing

at the highest level like you're talking you're an IPF lifter. Or even top placing at nationals. Right. Probably makes sense. You've gone past the stage of hobby here. You're very into this lifestyle. I can 100% understand all day why those guys have coaches. I can debate that one for a minute. That is probably a universal truth.

Beyond that, though, if you just say a beginner, should a beginner have a coach then or not have a coach? And I'm like, I don't know. It depends on their factors. Who else are they training around? What do they want to figure out on their own? Yeah, if we're going to pick stages, my blanket advice, are you a beginner and should I have a coach?

I'd say maybe try to find a powerlifting gym. I think that'd be the better advice is like be in a better environment. I think that's the first one. But maybe that's not possible for someone. It's not for some. Yes, it's not for some. So again, that's why it's just like the closest I can get to blanket advice because again, it doesn't apply to everyone. But if you live in any type of major city, there's a good chance there's a powerlifting gym of some kind. You're just going to learn by like osmosis. You're just going to absorb stuff being there that would take you a very long time with a coach if you ever figured it out. So that'd be maybe the first one. And then you look at

intermediate. So we said advanced. And when we say advanced, we're taking like top level advanced people. Like, yes, a coach a hundred percent makes sense. Beginners. I don't know. So then you start looking at more of like an intermediate, like you've been doing this a while, whether you have a certain level of strength built up or not, but you have more experience just in the gym in general. And I think that's where it becomes more of a question of who am i as a lifter and that's what you have to decide and i know one of them i think maybe he throwed it in here that like he also thinks of it as like an accountability type yeah i was gonna say accountability would be a word for that yeah i i 100 get that and yes a lot of people that that's also hugely valuable there.

Um, again, that's like when you, when you have a home gym, that's much harder to have accountability people. When you're in a good power lifting gym where you have a crew, that's what that does. And that's,

that's another thing that just, again, having the right training environment helps there. There again, it's harder for me to relate because I can honestly say like, I have never needed a person like to hold me. Like, that's just my,

the way I have it. Like, I just agree with you. And that's not like a brag or anything, but no, no, that's just my own person. You know,

the way I, like I didn't, you know, I've never not been to the gym in like 15 years, you know? So it's, and it's not cause I was like worried about what someone else, you know, was telling me to years you know so it's and it's not because i was like worried about what someone else you know was uh telling me to you know it's like for me that wasn't a thing but

i could definitely see how that is especially for a lot of people just getting into it you know if you're like want to get into it but struggling to really start i could see how that could help you though too yes and then also the other the other factor of a coach that no, I can't say no, because AI is changing things, but I would say is the human factor. And that's the, that's the, the, the, how you do in thing. And because some people do require more encouragement than others. I mean, most people listening to this have worked in an office place and you know, if you've worked with people, there's some people that they don't need to hear anything from their boss ever, whether a good thing or a bad thing. They're just like, let me do my work. I don't care. And there's other people that are like, man, that was a tough meeting.

I really need some encouragement. I am not doing good right now. Like there's different, you'll see that there's different levels of that. And so some people like getting ready for a meet, like it's stressful. There's peaking, uh you know there's ups and downs of things where days where things like feel like you're crushing it and then days were like i'm getting buried i'm gonna die and i can see how the coach would be the one that's like no no no no trust the process this is how it's supposed to be it's all gonna come together and that is things like a good coach should provide uh right you know it's it's really hard to get that. And that is things like a good coach should provide. Right. You know, it's really hard to get that out of any type of app, template, computer system right now.

There is one other thing that we didn't mention, and budget is another consideration here. Because when you're talking like a good coach, that can be not inexpensive. Whereas something like juggernaut ai is like you can get a template for free you can get juggernaut ai for a lot of people sell templates for 10 to 50 dollars too right which is i'm gonna call a very minimal upfront expense or relatively uh or like juggernaut ai not free but gonna but going to cost you like $30 a month. A lot of people, if they're interested in this being their hobby, they would probably find a way to be able to afford that. A powerlifting coach could be $100 a month, $200 a month, more than that.

Especially if they're offering diet coaching too, things like that. Right, right. How many things are they offering? And some people not giving them powerlifting advice, wanting to give them life advice and budgeting advice, I would tell them, dude, you barely have a job at all or any money. You can do this without spending that. You know, like you can do it without that. Is that what you should be spending your last $200 a month on or the $200 a month that you don't even really have. Right. You know, that would be

a piece of advice I would give someone is if this is that big of a strain on you, it may not be what your priority should be. And, you know, I wouldn't give that unsolicited advice to someone in person that, you know, unless they were really asking my opinion, because I don't, it's not my place, but that should be a consideration for people is like, can I afford this right now? Like, does it make sense for me to spend that money on it? Yep. Can I afford it? And then here's another hypothetical question that I know is very high on my list if i was ever hiring a coach this would be in the top three it might be the top question

for how i vet someone and it's what type of programming are we doing here because right there are there's more than one way to get strong we all know that but there's also ways that seem like they've been more optimal over the years and And so, you know, if you're into conjugate, you're probably going to want to find a coach that coaches conjugate, a conjugate style. And if you're not into conjugate, you're probably going to want to do everything you can to steer away from that because you're going to be checked out in a hurry.

So, you know, it's like, are they offering conjugate? Like, is it more of a beginner program that's more just a linear progression? Is it some type of rpe based system are we doing a percentage based system is there velocity training like there's so many different ways that you can get strong and you got to find one that aligns with the way you want to get strong too because if you're not most coaches i think first of all i think most coaches should have a way like if you answer like how what was my training look like like what is the system they should be able to answer that clearly and if it's

just like a oh we're just gonna kind of see where you're at and see and like it changes on a weekly basis and it's just those are not those are red flags I think right away that's to me like you said that importance of that question to me the biggest red flag wouldn't be what they, it wouldn't be specifically what they answer. It would be how they answer it in a way like, do you have a system that we're following? Right, right. Like do you have a generally general system

that you coach people with typically? Like is there, and if they don't or it's just, if they can't answer that in a way that makes you feel like they do have a framework in mind here, that's what would concern me quite a bit. Yeah, or that they're looking at the long-term. Like if they can't give it like a general idea of like what we're going to be doing over the next 16 weeks, to me that's a little scary.

Because I think that offers a ton of clarity. Again, not to overly promote juggernaut AI, but I love to see when I go in there and if I'm going to start a new program that it's laying out like 26 weeks and I can see the six month plan. Like I know there's some long-term thinking going in here. We have, we have a hypertrophy. We have multiple hypertrophy blocks that then lead into strength blocks that then lead into a peaking block. And I'm like, logically to me, that makes a ton of sense for how you approach training. It's a long-term vision.

We're building and building and building. And I think that's really how you get strong. It's not like, oh, we're doing this for like a week or two. And then I might just totally change it up and do something totally different for the month after that. Like now we're just like kind of talking, like we're just doing fitness classes at that point, right? Right, right.

Yeah. That's kind of all I had're just doing fitness classes at that point right right right yeah um that's kind of all i had on a power lifting coach so the answer do you need a power lifting coach of course it depends i don't know if we got any closer there to to actually answering that question no and uh anything else that you feel like needs to be added on there? No, I mean, just if you could recap what we just said over the last, like, 40 minutes, but that's really hard to do. Yeah. It's obviously become more popular over time.

There's a lot of different options of coaches out there a lot of different options yeah okay this would be my quick breakdown yeah it's more coaches now than ever which means you need to be more selective now than ever right that's the first one um i'd say technique is probably a little overrated uh you're probably i don't i don't know especially when you're beyond the the beginner beginner bones, beginner stage. It's important for the beginner to make sure they know how to perform the lifts, but we're kind of saying that that's table stakes for most people. Like making technical adjustments to your lifting on a week by week basis.

That's insane to me. Right. Like, but maybe a really good coach offers you that tidbit. It's not like a significant change but they notice like hey i noticed you're doing this all of a sudden yes and that's like a really a fine-eyed coach might help you with that minor i think so yes and i'm not saying technique's not a thing but i think a lot of times people think technique is the only thing right no and or they certainly get way too wrapped up with that especially like at an intermediate stage

where it's like you've developed a technique that keeps you relatively injury-free and allows you to add weight on the bar. Can you make it repeatable? Like if it's keeping you injury-free and it's repeatable, it's probably pretty good right there. Yes, right. So yeah, technique's probably a little overrated.

Programming probably, and the vision of programming probably does not get enough importance by anyone. I to me that's the magic like that's i guess banging our heads against the wall for the past 10 plus years i can say the biggest change to me is like long-term programming because when that goes right things just can just click in a hurry or Or over the, maybe not even a hurry, but over the course of six months, you'd be amazed what does get accomplished with proper programming.

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before we get into our last few topics? Let's get them out of here. I'm just sick of these guys eavesdropping on our coaching, just judging every last word that we're saying here. Breathing over my shoulder. They're saying those dumb bastards don't even know what they're talking about, powerlifting coaching. They've never even had one.

What do they know? These two jackholes couldn't coach their way out of a wet paper sack. They're gone. Finally. Old segment we used to do, Instagram slash YouTube comment of the week. I did post a reel today on YouTube. So YouTube short, I guess is the right terminology. It was one I had posted a while ago on Instagram where it was the

Massanomics gym signs and it was me cut. I think it was taken from like a gym tour video and I just cut like it's me showing you the toilet sign in the gym. Oh, it's just all the paper signs. All the paper signs and you know, I cut that into like a 40 second reel

and like all of them usually end in like or you'll get kicked out of the gym or, you know, like. Okay. It's got like 11,000 views. So, yeah. Yeah. So just this afternoon, it went like moderate, you know, for our shorts, moderately viral, like these catch on a little bit. Then, of course, it gets out to people that don't normally follow us. And that one caught a lot of heat.

And like, I never even follow us and that one caught a lot of heat and like i never even what even posting that one like we're laughing like in the whole video like you can tell we're kind of like joking around about partly a joke too like they're sort of meant to be done they are right right exactly and it's like oh yes i'll get kicked out of the gym and i was really surprised at the negative comments just because I'm like like I just could imagine people having that take on it but I'm like ah these people don't know mass dynamics they don't they don't get mass dynamics they don't get mass dynamics gym they don't like know what this whole thing is like so I'm just reading all the comments yeah

the number of people that are like mad that there's signs up for things that's like so let me read a couple of like uh um here's the first one that i noticed so so being passive aggressive is something to get a blue ribbon about save me the trouble first of all and i'm like a sign is not passive aggressive i think it was just like stating that's that's what i thought i'm like these signs aren't explicit are not passive aggressive they're just semi-aggressive because it says if you bend one of these dumbbells i will kick you out of the gym like is that being passive aggressive or is that just being straight to the goddamn point yes and also i wonder if some people think i can understand how you're like if you oh why do they just leave signs up and not talk no i could understand how you're like, if you... Oh, why do they just leave signs up and not talk to you? Well, no, I could understand how if you just went to some random gym

and you're like, I don't know, some guy with a lot of money owns this. And it's like some management group is just writing all these dumb ass signs. It's like, I don't know, one of the 10 managers that works here is writing all these. It's like, I don't get that. It's like, no, that guy that runs this gym for a relatively small group of people is also our friend. Like I don't, right.

Just people clearly don't get that part of it. And my thing is like, that is how I pull, like, I'm not, I'm there when I'm lifting and that's it. Basically. Like the way I police things is like,

it is the easiest way for to make sure everyone sees it at the point of attack where it's like, Hey, here's the stereo. Here's what I need you to do with the stereo. Can you please it at the point of attack where it's like hey here's the stereo here's what i need you to do with the stereo can you please for the love of god do this because without the sign and part of that is like okay yeah here's the sign you could just write don't go above 30 on the volume you could just write that right or but because it is massonomics and everything is kind of a joke like you make it a little you up the odds but i like someone in here

okay well maybe you're gonna get to it one up the odds but i like someone in here okay well maybe you're gonna get to it one of the other comments well yeah so you here's just another random one never go to a gym like this they'll always nag at you for everything and i'm like that is absolutely not what our gym is like well yeah that's almost anything goes within reason yeah everything goes to the point where, like, as funny as these signs are, I mean, is there eight of them in the entire gym? Right, right.

I mean, here's one. Kind of cringe. I'm like, we're laughing. Like, I'm like, you can tell that this is kind of like us being silly about it. Yeah, we're laughing at it. Easiest don't recommend channel ever. That one's really dumb that yeah doesn't make it it's like well you're not getting any of the humor here like yeah i guess you take

everything at literal face value so uh the one i thought was also stupid where people also um but is this zach from the gym zach anderson yeah he was i think just messing around yeah because like even there though i could see how like, all right, he says signs are only necessary because common sense isn't on the application. Oh, I get what he's saying. I thought he was saying the signs are only needed because people can't figure out what to do. I'm like, no.

People can't figure it. The one above the toilet, that wasn't just there as a joke. There was literally some people that... It's like you're leaving shit all over this toilet. I have children that don't make a bathroom that messy. Right. some people that it's like you're leaving shit all over this toilet like i clean it children that don't make a bathroom that messy and right like you're a full-grown adult and it looks like someone just destroyed this toilet like there's no reason an adult should be like that the type of gym that ours is you are paying a very small membership to get really nice access to high

quality equipment and environment. And it works because you have to clean up after yourself. It only works if everyone's like being a good person. If people start coming in there and just making a mess and being assholes, the whole gym doesn't work all of a sudden. It's not. Well, the Planet Fitness joke is going in and destroying the toilets. I'm like, you kind of can do, like, that is what you're paying. Like at Planet Fitness, I get it.

You're paying for like, nope, I have servants here that clean up after me. They have support staff that's there to do that. Right. Like, that's not what a little club gym is like. You know, it's like you are assuming a little bit of the responsibility, you know, me especially as the owner. That's what I think. a little bit of the responsibility you know me especially as the owner that's what i think but i feel like that's kind of what you know you get a very reasonable membership but that's part of what you're paying is just like by taking care of the place aren't even necessarily like initiated

by you there's like things like when people would track in the winter time not knowing it yes a lot of these people aren't being malicious they just don't they're not aware like the one in the wintertime when we first started having it people started walking in with their boots and it'd just be soaking wet everywhere it's like people are collectively there collectively everyone's like no we don't want wet boots in the gym don't bring them in because the gym's already so small that when you walk in with your boots now we all walk in a puddle everywhere we go right so like that's one that everyone you just put a sign on the door that says leave your wet boots outside and everyone's like oh yeah we're all better off for that no one thinks twice about it right yes i just thought i was like i sometimes i post things knowing it's you know you could call it

clickbaity to a certain extent i don't think we have a ton of clickbait content content but some stuff that you just know, like, is going to elicit a reaction out of people. I posted this one. I just think it's a funny little bit. Like, I think it's a stupid, funny little video, like, where, like, it just is good for a laugh, maybe. When I started getting those comments, I'm like,

oh, what is this? Like, how is this even viewed this way? It just caught me off guard some of these though it's like yes it is trying to send a message but it's also seeing it in the dumbest way like if you break a york route york dumbbell save me the trouble of kicking you out just pack your things and go i can see how if you're not familiar with massonomics and you say right oh a gym told me that if i break something to just fuck off and leave, I pay for this gym to come here. That's what happens.

It's like, well, but you don't get what this gym is. Right, right. And it's like, yeah, there is a whole separate set of dumbbells that you are allowed to mistreat a little bit. How many commercial gyms have a set of York vintage roundheads that you can freely use whenever you want, you know? Right, right. I mean, is there a couple in the entire country that maybe have that?

Or like the stereo signs. The stereo is a long-running thing. It's a joke. It's a long-running joke. And also, anyone's free to do whatever they want on the stereo at any time. It's totally self-policed. Like you're totally self-governing yourself on the stereo. Some of that stuff, it's all of the stuff really.

It's just so the experience is better. It's just a consideration for everyone else. It's not like management saying, hey, It's just a consideration for everyone else. You know, it's not like management saying like, hey, I need you to do this for me. It's like, no, do this, and then everyone's experience is better. Yeah. Yes, you're 100% right. Part of it is like not ruining it for the other people that are there

because you're being a selfish asshole. But even so, like the stereo one you kind of fixed because there is the governor on it. Right. But before that, there are other tenants in the building that don't want, like the ladies with the salon upstairs don't necessarily want to hear slipknot at full blast for four straight hours every afternoon. And their business patrons also don't want that,

which means the landlord doesn't want that either, which means like now you're in trouble again. So exactly. A lot of Instagram slash youtube comment of the week uh along those lines there was another one that was very good in there on uh build fast formula nathan's gym tour someone said oh the best powerlifting gym and there's not even any competition powerlifting equipment in here that comment was the stupidest if you read it like word for word i mean the guy doesn't even know what he's talking about. His first problem is there's no squat stands, no competition squat stands.

It's like, dude, that's what the combo rack is. That is the competition apparatus. That is the only apparatus allowed in competition is a combo rack, and it's right there. At least for the ones Nathan lifts in and a lot of us lift in. I don't know what you're looking for for a competition squat stand. That's not really a thing. That's the biggest thing i'm like what you're saying isn't really a real thing like what you're looking for is either a combo

rack or a monolift and he has the combo rack so the monolift doesn't matter anymore so that was the first one and then he was asking about like plates it's like okay he has he has kilogram calibrated that is that is the competition standard right there man so again you're wrong 100 and then the other one i don't know about the bars it's like no it is like he has all the competition bars they're all there these are all competition spec items in here yeah maybe you don't like that we didn't call them out enough but they are all right here and i we touched on them all at least but he didn't it was like he didn't like that there was machines in the gym like to him a powerlifting

gym would only have that stuff yeah yeah you're supposed to have no machine yeah even a home gym should have like four combo racks and like four platforms yeah yeah that one that one was when i that was clearly someone that does not know what they're talking about. No, I had no clue what was going on there. And they're allowed to talk on the internet just as much as everyone else. Yeah, it's good for engagement, honestly. Even like this one that popped off just minorly this afternoon on YouTube. I'm commenting back. Mostly I try to have a silly comment.

For most of those people, my comment was, oh, going to put a new sign up at the gym showing that you have now been kicked out. I feel like some people have to be like, oh, maybe I did misunderstand what's going on. Right, right. Oh, maybe I am no fun at parties and don't understand subtleties of humor.

But I do not dislike the engagement because it was helping it gain traction. Did you see that the Rogue has these NFL license panels? I did and I'm glad you put this in here because I forgot to bring it up. I wanted to talk to you about it. So first of all, I think the idea is cool. I think that's fine. Think of more IP that you can license and make custom bars for. Sure, that's totally fine. I have no problem with that. The execution I felt like was a little underwhelming on some of them.

Did you see the level of... A little phoned in, I thought, yes. Yeah, like I'm actually just pulling up right now. Particularly the power bar because it's got enough knurling on it that there's not that much room. You're like dealing with kind of the space in between the center knurl and the typical neural? Yes.

So, yeah, for example here, when I look at the NFL Ohio Power Bar, or the Ohio Power Bar NFL Edition, $395. So what's that? What, a $75 premium? Yeah. So that's, okay, that's their licensing fee. Sure, whatever. I can't imagine it cost them more than like a few dollars

to do this other stuff to it. But like the Vikings is a very underwhelming example of when I click logo one as an option, because a lot of these have two options. So Vikings logo one, it's an all I'm assuming it's a black zinc bar. It's black. So I'm assuming it's like, oh, maybe this is Cerakote though. It actually might be. Yeah, I think it's Cerakote probably in order to do that.

But one spot on the smooth, it says rogue and another spot on the smooth there is a vikings logo that's maybe one inch by one inch so that's like that one's lame that that one's not cool but then there's a second option a logo two option where the entire bar is purple and now that's a little cooler but it's still the same thing you basically just bought a purple cerakote bar and then it has i don't know like a two inch logo that says vikings instead of the viking head it's like that one was like that's not that that's not that's a hard sell for me unless you're like a major major fan to like want to buy that but then i'm like okay the other options the bella bar all right so you look at the women's bar it's the same thing i go to vikings

actually it's no different you get two options you get like a black cerakote or a purple and you just get a vikings logo that's like an inch by an inch but then when you go to the 45 pound ohio power bar nfl edition that one is like the weirdest one out of them all because it's 450 dollars is this what are they what's the actual finish on this one because it's confusing because do you have it pulled up are you looking at it no so it is stainless okay that's I was wondering is this so it's weird because it's a stainless bar. So $450, it's a stainless bar. But where it's customized is the two smooth parts. Right, that's what I saw before.

So you have the center knurl, and then you have the outside knurl. But that smooth part that's between the center and the outside knurl, it's about a fist wide on both sides of the center. Like on the Vikings bar, for example, just that little stretch is purple right and on the left side purple there's an engraved vikings logo that shows through in the stainless and then on the right side there's the word rogue just huge and i'm like that still mainly feels like a rogue bar with two purple stripes on it and the tiniest little vikings logo uh yeah like i like the idea i like the i like the concept that it came about but the execution i'm not totally sure if if it was

pulled off if it's that cool yeah like i just that's the same way was some of their advertising made it look cool but then when i i did the same thing when i actually looked at some of the bars i'm like oh i don't like you can take pictures just so that make it look pretty sweet and but then when i would actually look at it back yeah i couldn't see having that or wanting that yeah like maybe the worst one in the lineup the worst one in the lineup might be the bucks one actually ah the bucks one stunk because i pulled that one up any of the bucks colors it's the two smooth spots instead of being stainless colored are like medium gray colored right it doesn't look good no i know i was really i was like this because i pulled that one up the same way they just they didn't do any

any like maroon goldish cardinal color like the 49ers have it's just dark gray steelers same thing dark gray uh yeah there's a few in here that are not very good uh colt same thing no blue it's just a dark gray uh yeah yeah jaguars same raiders same yeah i like the idea just i don't feel like the execution is quite there so you're not rushing out to buy one for the home gym no i'm not i'm not i was i was really hoping that there'd be something really cool like oh yeah like yeah this would be sweet but man just nothing nothing stuck out to me then you can also get plates did you see that you can also get plates with the logos on them.

Oh, I did see that, actually. Yeah, that's right. I did see that. Which, again, it's just the Rogue plate, and then they just have a little logo on the bottom. Right. I'm not sure what the premium you're paying over. It's probably too much.

But, yeah, again, not quite. It kind of looks like you bought it secondhand from their training room, is honestly what it looks like. Right. That is kind of what it's like. And it secondhand from their training room. It's honestly what it looks like. Right. That is kind of what it's like. And it is all bumper plates, too. And bumper plates aren't very high on my list of things that I want at the moment either. Right.

So not the right guy to market to on this one. No, I don't think I'm buying any just yet either. Anyways. I did see on Martins, Lisa's YouTube channel he went uh to visit grizzly oh i did see some pictures of that i didn't see anything that came of it and it's like a 36 minute little video really and it was like the most i've seen of grizzly like not him just like in the videos as a meme. And I, and actually grizzly someone we have met in person, not had an in-depth conversation with,

of course, because of the language barrier, et cetera. But I, in watching this now have like a way different take on him on it. Like he just made him way more of a person, like really normal oh he did like yeah like um uh an old you know a guy that just turned 50 that still likes to train

you know he just always wanted to be really strong and he still just really likes to train but has had a ton of injuries and he just now does these certain lifts because it's like what he's found that he can do to be able to still train intensely but like not you know with a really low risk of injury so is this coming from a translator the whole time or what yeah like them sitting around training together and then like sitting around having conversations through a translator but that's filmed really well in a way that it doesn't feel like it's actually subtitles. You don't really actually hear the translator that much in the video. Obviously, you can tell the conversation was different in person, but they're cutting a lot of that out.

And it was really interesting to me. I got to say where I'm like, this guy is not just the guy that yells. I didn't know if you're going to say he's even crazier. No, no. Like I think they did humanize. They actually need, probably need to be careful about not doing that too much in reality. Right.

Right. I would actually caution not pulling back the curtain i mean i don't think it doesn't change anything but yeah i just it was really good though i guess it's my like if you're at all curious about grizzly and the mystique around him i think it was just uh really well done and interesting and they go train together and hang out and eat and um i also do think he is kind of a badass though because um martinez was having a hard time hanging with him on some of that stuff that they were doing you know and like obviously he trained that way all the time and he's used to it but he's is not a he is not a weak man just as you

might suspect you know it's very weird stuff that he trains like the videos uh also like he is trained like though videos that is what he does like those aren't just for yeah and i do think like that yelling like that i think that that's you know he gets just gets really intense when he's lifting like that but that was cool that was worth watching okay what else do we need to talk well you've had this music setting topic in here for like five weeks now i want to come i actually need to like almost refresh my brain on what i know generally what i was thinking here but this this was just a thought that really hit me one time where i was kind of thinking of like overrated music you know stuff like acdc i actually kind of like acdc but in the name of our game very overrated i feel like like blown out of overrated like as far as it gets almost in my

opinion but in certain settings i think acdc still really hits for me. Here's another to show this isn't genre specific. John Denver, I think is pretty overrated. And like his music. Besides being full of shit. That John Denver is full of shit. But in certain settings, I think John Denver really hits. And I'll get to a couple of specific examples. Another example though on the artist is Queen.

I kind of think is probably a little overrated, but I found in certain, the right setting, I'm like, no. Well, obviously for me, I like to lift to certain Queen songs. That's an extreme example of that, that I'm like, I would be the first to say that i think queen is a little overrated but then in just the right setting i love it and uh one more even more specific example just a song slow ride by fog hat is a little bit overplayed song but still i promise if i put you in the right setting you'll be like no fog hat slow ride is pretty bad slow rides a good song

i've right yeah right and like uh what made me think about in that particular is part of it is the gym thing because like i can put on we will rock you on the gym and i'm like some people can't tell if you're joking or and i i mean that's i sort of am but in the same way like it is i'm like i like it as a pump-up song or there's a couple different queen songs that i or several i mean just about every queen song i like to listen to actually in a way bohemian rhapsody even for as we you know like as a song bohemian rhapsody is very odd like like i think it follows enough no conventional you know i know nothing about music but i can listen to it and be like, this is not traditional in any form and structure of a song. But even just like the structure of music, like it goes for like minutes, you know, just like I actually can't explain music well enough, but anyone that could knows what I'm saying without even me being able to articulate it at all.

But the other setting is, as we know, I have the C10 pickup. Oh, yeah. And if you are cruising around in the C10 pickup, you can pick someone you think is a little overrated or overplayed, like Foghat Slow Ride. It may seem cliche cliche but i promise you i'm like a nice summer night with the windows down and you put on slow ride fog hat or something

or uh maybe um what else is um who are the guys that were almost like anti-Vietnam protesters that it's like, kind of like Americana, everyone like CCR or yeah, CCR. There you go. Yeah. Like some of those songs, you put it on in the right setting,

like cruising in a cool old vehicle. And I'm like, I challenge anyone to not think that this feels a little bit cool right now and fun. So I almost think almost any music in the right setting can be cool still. You know, it's just all about the right place and time. And it's like, no matter how overplayed or overrated you could think it is, I get that feeling sometimes. Or John Denver. I was just trying to think of unique examples

that I feel that way about, and that was another one. Some of these that I don't think it's cool or fun all the time, but you put it in the right context, and I'm like, okay, it's cool and fun now all of a sudden. I 100% agree. I 100%. This is totally a thing. Yep, recognized it a ton over the years

through different things. One of the main ways it stuck out to me was when i got a boat i spent all this time creating would be a great example that i wasn't thinking of yep i spent all this time creating the ultimate water playlist yeah and of course because you're on a boat you're talking warm weather the water i mean well everyone says yacht rock now well yeah i mean that even but like to me it always like leans more towards like sublime and stuff like right like your ska ska punk like things like that or even like more of the easy listening like 70s stuff you get some doobie brothers all that yeah like yes like where

these just feel like old whether you want to say yacht rock or even the earlier dad rock stuff like the definition of dad rock is changing but you get like man this just goes this is just good or i'll never forget one of the first times one of my like i was probably 20 i was 21 at the time one of my other one of my friends had a boat my first time going on a boat that one of my friends like it was theirs it wasn't their dad's boat it was their boat and we're going out on it we're just having a good time all day and i remember we got done wakeboarding and we had to we were going across the lake and they put on um oh what did they put i think they put on running with the devil by van halen and like that song had never sounded cooler to me in my life right then when we're zipping across the lake would be a great example

after being in the sun all day the boat's at full throttle and we're just like yeah it was like the best thing ever and that was you might not want to listen to van halen all the After being in the sun all day, the boat's at full throttle, and we're just like, yeah, Ron Abrams. It was like the best thing ever. You might not want to listen to Van Halen all the time, but in the right context, it's like this is a corny kind of cheesy song now. As great as Van Halen is, I said Van Halen, not Van Hagar, you know, but as great as Van Halen is, I mean, those songs are classics, but in a way, classics do get kind of played out.

Like, you know what the song is and everything but in that certain settings like man this song just slaps it just hits different right now what what song did Dave did they put on the lift hard live easy one of the meat recap videos oh

was it Van Halen or was it nothing but a good time is that poison or yeah that's poison okay yeah and like in that video you're like okay this is sick it just hits there otherwise my god it's just kind of like cheesy hair metal from the 80s right not that i don't like it but in there it's yeah it just feels like such a party it's it's uh the boat is a really good example alternative to what i was thinking where it's all and it's almost like a whole different genre but it makes it really cool when you're on the boat then and that was the same feeling i got at the time when i had that boat i didn't have a vehicle

to pull it but my dad had an excursion and the excursion you had two seats in the front three in the middle three in the back everyone had basically unlimited room and manion you had two seats in the front three in the middle three in the back everyone had basically unlimited room and man when you had that thing loaded up with people and you were driving it you're like this is the party machine this is the best thing ever it doesn't get any better and that was just on the way to the lake it was it was so much fun the gym is a really good example too where obviously gym music is this whole it's a whole separate thing for people too and but there's even songs that you listen to but actually we were talking about this today example too where obviously gym music is a whole it's a whole separate thing for people too and but there's even songs that you listen to but actually we were talking about this today i

went you know at bryce when i was at bryce's perfect little sweeties gym he's like i don't know i kind of just like to listen to like like 90s dance music and stuff because sometimes for my top sets i even turn on britney spears just because it's like weird and different and when i start the set i don't hear any of the music i'm just like too into the lift i don't even hear what i'm listening to anyways right and that is the thing like you you're not aware of that one bit when you're lifting but it's just what gets you going and i used to always like uh in the gym there was so there's times where i'd always want to play i always lean towards like more dumb like edm dance music i always like that more just because

it's more upbeat and positive but i remember there was a time when i loved playing the song rake it up by it was nikki minaj and uh-huh oh who even was in that song with her i don't even remember like gucci main or something and it's like it's a dumb strip club song and for whatever reason i love listening to that before a heavy squat there's that i mean just it has the attitude part of it is just the attitude that comes across in the song and that song had the attitude yeah so that was finally the music. Part of it is just the attitude that comes across in a song, and that song had the attitude. Yeah. So that was finally the music setting. Okay.

So it's not, in fact, a new setting on the stereo at the gym. That's what I always liked that topic title because it was a little misleading that it was like a setting of the music, and I was thinking the time and place. I was really thinking that you found some new setting. No, it wasn't like choosing between the rock, I was thinking the time and place. I was really thinking that you found some new setting. No, it wasn't like choosing between the rock, the preset of rock, pop, heavy metal, country, R&B. Yeah, you weren't messing with the equalizer on there. No, no.

That's it. I had one small thing in here. It's basically not even relevant anymore. All the small things. Okay, it's basically not even relevant anymore but all the small things uh okay it's been finish this finish the sentence it's been one week since you looked at me or has it cocked your head to the side or it's been a while yeah which one is it it's been a while the tone you use it made me think more of someone the other day said it's been and then they stopped and that's all i could think of was the bare naked ladies yeah but i'm like okay so that was it that

was the test it's been a while yeah which words coming next has it been a week or a while yeah uh i what one thing in here that was interesting uh apple had their wwc keynote i think early june so this is like a month ago and one of the things that they unveiled it's been so long ago now i hardly remember i think it was for the apple watch or the apple fitness app which if you have an apple watch you're probably aware of it if you're not or the health app you probably don't look into it much i like to look in the health app every day to see my steps because it gives me a good gauge of how much how long of a walk i need to go for at night if i know that the number is low i do need to go for a longer walk it's a little higher than i know i don't have to go for quite

as long a walk but that is how i use it but one of the things they talked about is something through again i can't remember through the fitness app or through Apple, their training thing that they have, whatever, but they've basically incorporated an RPE gauge into their own fitness thing in there, which I thought was pretty interesting. Like they said, yeah, they said, rate your effort. They used effort, rainy effort rating and training load. I mean, they have a whole press release on their website talking about it. And I'm like, wow, even that's that whole concept, which some people still do think is fringe and dumb has now like into apple leached over into apple you know one of the biggest companies in

the world is like oh there might be some merit here to to training people uh yes that is that is quite interesting yeah i mean that concept mikeashir is the one that really formalized that concept, right? Yeah, I don't think he invented RPE, but he's oftentimes considered one of the people to bring it more popular, I guess. I don't know if I'm explaining that correctly. Was he the first one to really apply it to powerlifting, though? I don't think so. I think he picked...

It did exist. I mean, maybe I'm wrong. The way I understand is it existed. It just maybe wasn't... He was one of the main ones to pop more popularize it. But, you know, he's obviously his name is associated with it, of course. But I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe he straight up is the first one to bring it. But that's not the way I interpreted it. It was somebody else. And he kind of just greatly. Because when I think of RP, if you're telling me like the originator or where does it start to me that's as far back as my knowledge goes is he's the one that's really got that train going of course there probably was someone first or that had some variation of it but i don't i don't know what came first there right was it a chicken was it the chicken or the egg that's

was it the rpe or the rir knows? I think it was definitively the egg. That makes sense to me all day. I mean, it had to come from an egg, whether it's some chicken-like creature or something else. It had to hatch from something. Exactly. But I think that is, isn't that what science says? It was the egg.

Like prior to that, it was like whatever a chicken evolved from. And like, i know that until the first chicken the first chicken was hatched from an egg you know and like prior to that there was no chicken and i mean this says uh the australian academy of science says it's a safe bet to say the eggs came first eggs were around before chickens even existed right well i guess that makes sense too when you think that's i mean yeah that's thinking about it in different terms to me yeah like what in absolute terms what item did exist first yeah yeah probably the egg i guess i never really thought of the question that way that's an i didn't either i

just thought of it as like you have two items here the chicken and the egg which one happens first yeah in this creature's life cycle but uh yeah i still think it's the egg we're big egg first guys on the podcast always i always got to have eggs before you have your chicken we're also big uh lifting department uh 100 cotton heavy oversized tea guys on the massomics podcast and you could be one too we do not have a ton of those left we're sold out of a couple sizes but there is in the core sizes that medium through 2x range there's still some options and also the unpaid and underrated uh collaboration tea sold quite a few of those but actually we got the sizing fairly good on that so you can still catch most sizes on that card uh that royal red i like that red a lot that's our first time using that color red

i that's my favorite red tea yeah that pops doesn't it that's a good red and then from the drop there is one pair of size seven slides just waiting for a home just sitting right here so if you're a size seven you could buy these. There is some debate of whether we run slides back or not, you know, if we come out with more. So I don't know. But as for now, the only person that could get slides is if you're a size 7, besides those secret ones over my shoulders here. Is that it, Tommy?

Do we need to talk about anything else this week? I think so. That's probably enough it's 4th of July week or actually by the time you're hearing this 4th is done but hope everyone has or had a good 4th listen to some of that yacht rock this week just week and weekend

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