Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 441: Another Powerlifting Federation: Do We Need More?

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

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If you don't follow Massanomics, y'all do it. Social media, website, everything. Massanics! Well, hello everyone and welcome to episode 441 of the Massonomics podcast. This is a very special episode. We have a big announcement this week that we'll get to upcoming and forthright uh my name is tanner just in case anyone doesn't know that and my name is tommy you know what's special about this week tanner well uh do tell yeah 441 uh if we divide it by your high school football number that's six point like one two what was your high school football number again 79 oh god okay

my math was all wrong let me try this again 441 what does that come out um 6.9 5.58 rounded up to six and six um is repeating of course it's just a great number so that's why it's yeah that's why it's significant one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve does that do you do you have a i kind of remember seeing that when you posted it i like you were saying like oh this is like a deep memory yeah a couple people commented like core memory yeah i didn't have that much of it like it felt somewhat familiar but i didn't have like a real strong connection to that okay i absolutely it was one of those things like I know this deeply. I don't know where, why, or how, but it is in the permanent spank bank back there.

I actually did have one of those this week with somehow, you know, with just random shows being on. My kids have started to see some of the newer Alvin and the Chipmunks movies, and they think it's really funny for some reason. I'm not sure why they. Why are Alvin and the Chipmunks movies, and they think it's really funny for some reason. I'm not sure why they... Why are Alvin and the Chipmunks human beings now? Have you seen any of the newer ones? Alvin and the Chipmunks are humans. What? There's a show.

One of my kids, I can't even remember which one of my kids watches Alvin and the Chipmunks, but I heard the voices and heard the lines and the quips and everything, and I'm like, oh, you're watching Alvin and the Chipmunks but then they were not chipmunks oh okay i see like a clip here on a nickelodeon thing yeah i mean them look like kind of kids actually yeah oh yeah okay well my kids have not seen that they've just seen uh like some of the live action stuff and they like the songs like when we're in the car the songs are funny but what did do one of those core memories for me was i think on youtube i must have typed something in

or i don't even know where it was but the theme song for like the animated show came up where the chipmunks c-h-i-m-p or however however and i'm like whoa i totally like forgot that that existed and it's going on and on and i'm like i know the word that's next i don't remember any of this and then it was get to this and like my brain knows what the next word is this is so weird alvin uh big chris spoiled the big announcement yes in fact week one of the massonomics fantasy football league i was the high sc score for the week really put almost up almost 150 points and somehow they bumped me down in the power rankings from one to two so my projected power yeah i guess they just they hate me because they ain't me i think who were the big scorers for

your team this week um jefferson everyone crazy of a week though did he uh no but he everyone everyone showed up my kicker defense uh lamar actually got robbed of that last touchdown for the ravens one more tutty pass would have bumped me over uh over um who my highest i'm not going to give an in-depth fantasy football update every week because nobody – I don't know if there's much worse than listening to other people's fantasy football that you're not involved in. So I'm going to be pretty careful about not doing it. But just to answer your one question, Jaden Reed, Packers wideout, had like 30 points, and Lamar Jackson did good.

Really, they all did good. Just a stroke of luck, I guess. I guess you really did bring the total package. But that was not really the big announcement. We will get to the big announcement later. But first, this is a big announcement. I don't know if it's the big announcement, but this episode is brought to you by our good friends over at Build Fast Formula.

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Thank you, Texas Power Bars. And Big Alex, listening live chat, did just spoil the big news. The big news is the next Massonomics competition is to decorate Tommy's walls. I just told my wife this week that I'm like, you know, one of these days I'm going to do something back here. But like you said, Tanner, I think you said last week or whatever, you're like, you know, that's not what you look at. I look at this in front of me.

Right. And so that part of the room doesn't even exist to me. But, you know, I'm only a few weeks away from being here for a year, and the fact that I've done nothing here says a lot, so I should. I am not going to wave the cameras around to show it, but I did hang something up in the fulfillment center my mom got me a print of me uh doing an atlas stone at the lift hard live easy classic too one of the black and white pictures from uh uh shoot what's the photographer yeah big nick

yep and then actually well one of the supporting members um this, I guess this is a sack segment thing. I've got to hang this up still, but this is pretty cool. So the story on this is after this must have been at the zoo at some point in time Saturday night or at some point in time Saturday evening, President of North Dakota we were hanging out with him we got to you know party with him pretty hard we were doing the cigar thing and all this stuff and uh he actually sent me a couple cigars that I've got here that yeah and then he he sent me on this cigar international like letterhead he sent me this little note because this is what

he had told me the night of uh of after the competition he goes said something he's like there'd be there's a lot of memorable things that happened this weekend and he goes but no one will ever forget those last few deadlifts of yours and then he and he put that on uh this thing and then my wife took it out of the cigar box and got it framed i didn't you know like when i didn't she had gotten uh she got the also the newspaper article from the weekend she got framed too and she got this framed also so this was actually the note from dylan that he put on his cigar uh cigar i also like how it's such a big note and there's two yeah that's what i actually that almost like when i saw it like this i'm like i actually like that it's like uh it's it stands out in a way because it's like

why is it so big and it's only a couple of lines you know that's good i don't think his intention was for it to be framed but actually seeing it framed then i'm like i like that so i'm gonna hang that up here somewhere in the fulfillment center yeah that's nice that wasn't the big announcement really though that was just another teaser a big announcement is everyone ready for it i did catch up on some chimp crazy this this uh past you did okay wow i didn't know that is a big announcement i didn't know you're gonna say that i how much have you seen i've seen the first three episodes oh the last episode episode four is the

final one and it's out yeah it came out um like an it was on last night sunday night it came out sunday night okay i was getting caught up last week it was there or last night it was there i so that's why i assumed that maybe there's a few left but um okay so have you watched all of them yes okay yes i've seen them i watched i watched episode four i watched the final one okay so i've seen the first three and i'm not going to go into spoilers and everything here but some of my quick takeaways i thought it was interesting that it is by the same guy who did tiger king you know that guy knows the uh yep he's got the exotic world animal yeah no coincidence pin down it was also interesting that he had to have a proxy director because he has a reputation in that space now so people that people don't even want him

around which doesn't surprise me uh but overall takeaways you said it last week that you're like i'm not a pita guy but i feel like maybe people shouldn't own chimps uh watching what do you think of that yeah it's the most messed up thing it's like you have they love them because they're basically human but then it's basically human and you have, they love them because they're basically human, but then it's basically human. And you have to essentially keep them in a jail cell their entire life. Like if that's not cruel and unusual, I don't know what is man.

I mean, you could never do that with a person like that would, right. You would be put in jail. If you go to a, yeah, you'd be, you'd be put in jail for that.

These people all have some deep, deep. Oh, I mean, that's so apparent, right apparent right i mean the way the lady is like i like these chimps more than my kids i'm like okay you can like maybe not have the best relationship with your kids but to really be like i like these chimps more than my children and just say it's a matter of factly it's like maybe that's part of the problem is you guys have some deep uh relationship issues that you should have figured out first yeah and uh just the way that they essentially are imprisoning these creatures that are mostly human it's really messed up man it's and then also the way that they're just feeding them mcdonald's all the time

oh come on i know that's like i'm like i have a dog and i would never dream of feeding my dog as much McDonald's and filling his dish up with Coke. They're like, well, he likes it. I'm like, of course he likes it. Your dog would like it too, wouldn't he? He would freaking love it. But are you going to like sit there and hand feed him cheeseburgers and french fries? And like it's bad for their health. You know, like, so this is the thing with people that are way too into their pets is I think what a lot of it comes down to is like people are really selfish, you know, like in general, a lot of people just are really selfish. You could maybe say now, maybe more nowadays, more than ever.

people or like I'm just a crazy animal person sometimes I wonder like do you put so much stock in your relationship with animals because it's a one-sided relationship you know like with people there's give and take there's an actual right there's a relationship there's a give and take and with animals it's all one-sided like I mean you could literally abuse an animal and for the most part that animal will love you the next day. Yeah. And for some people, they kind of do in certain ways. They just keep their animals caged 20 hours a day. And no matter what, the animal's excited to see them. And they're like, great. I'm a great animal parent.

Like, I don't, this animal is only, I only tend to this animal when I feel like it. Like, I'll go on vacation for a month and leave this animal to whoever to do whatever. And when I show up, this animal loves me. And a person doesn't give me unconditional love like that. It's like, yeah, because you're a selfish asshole. A person would be like, Hey, this isn't a relationship. This is a whole one-sided thing, but animals will just love you unconditionally. And so I think that's really convenient for a lot of people to not have to acknowledge that they're, uh, that they're not actually present in a lot of relationships you know i agree i agree completely as one side road as long as we're talking about the animals this is so odd to me that this came

up i i was watching this go down in our discord live chat as we did it but big katie said uh good thing i'm do you see big katie's message there could you read that yeah good thing i muted i are a good thing. I muted, or you would have heard a big, Oh fuck. As an opossum ran out in front of my bike. As what? As a possum.

That's not what she wrote. Yeah. Oh, she said, Oh, is that how you spell it? That's how you spell it. Is it? Well,

here's the thing. I actually know even without looking, she said, as an opossum ran out in front of my bike, big Alex goes, tries to pay to the attention of the top podcast, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot Alex goes, tries to pay attention to the podcast, dot, dot, dot, inner voice. What's the difference between an opossum and a possum? Do you know?

Opossum stuck out as very odd to you, correct, then? Well, I know I've seen that before, but is that actually how you spell it? Either one is acceptable, as a matter of fact. But it's the same thing they are it's two words for the same animal essentially uh there are in north america it is acceptable to say opa unopossum or a possum both are acceptable but i feel like possum is what people like. Do you ever hear people say an old possum? Have you ever heard someone say that in the sentence before? I don't think I have.

It was maybe I was like watching TV and someone had like a British accent and it's just like, oh, they say things not like us. Yeah, I actually Jack and I were writing my pickup. Jack and I were riding my pickup. We were listening to NPR. Or what is the 90.9 is the FM station here. It's like NPR. Do you call that NPR?

Like the public. I don't even know what that's. Broadcasting. Yeah, it's like NPR, I think is what it's called. And we were listening to this. And Jack goes, why are we listening to this? And they got into this possum versus opossum discussion, and I'm like, this feels like something we should talk about on the podcast. Like they're getting into debate about the pronunciation

and the animal having two. It was a show specifically about word pronunciations. That's, I think, maybe a weekly show on NPR, and someone called in and said, I grew up in West Virginia, and we always said unopossum. And my husband, you know, we live in Maryland, and he thought that's the craziest thing. He's like, unopossum?

What the hell are you talking about? What animal are you talking about? He's like, that's opossum. And I'm like, oh, this feels like a Masonomics discussion. I mean, like if I heard someone say it, I wouldn't be, I don't think I'd be totally caught off guard. I definitely know what they were talking about. I would just assume they were saying it wrong. I always just thought it was like a silent O.

It's not a silent O though, really. It is just two, it is two versions of to describe the same animal. Interesting. Away With Words. Big Alex is correct. It was Away With Words is the name animal. Interesting. Away With Words. Big Alex is correct. It was Away With Words

is the name of that show, that program. I've never heard of that show either. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's interesting. Because they... Go ahead.

Oh, no. Actually, I'm going to wrap up the possum opossum talk there. Along the lines of animals since we're talking animals we also went to the zoo this weekend and uh top shelf no not not texas power bombs we were at the zoo in eastern southeast south dakota not western southeast south dakota and man it was so funny there they had the the exotic birds the macaws the whatever should get cody to provide some some context here but they had the birds the ones that talk and then it's just the weirdest thing in the world

when an animal that clearly is not a person yeah clearly is a bird yeah talking it's just like we could not stop laughing at it and i'd seen it before but it was probably since i was a little kid the last time i saw one of those right right and uh when it's just going hello hello and like my boy would start laughing and it would kind of like mimic his laugh and it was just it was the funniest thing ever like I couldn't I couldn't stop uh I couldn't stop laughing at it yeah so then like that to circle back around the zoo the whole zoo concept it is a you know like we're talking about the crazy people on chimp crazy it's like well that obviously seems wrong right yes but then i'm like what's going on at the zoo you know and i'm like i'm not the first person to say this stuff but it just makes me think about it more

than i normally would yeah i know and some animals you're like well i mean yes like at the end of the day like yeah they're not in their natural habitat, which always feels right. Some animals you're like, I don't know. Do you even know the difference? The difference. Right. Right.

And some of them are like, I don't know. You're kind of seem like a more social, like domesticated type animal. So maybe chilling and you're like decent size pen and having food isn't terrible to you. But other ones, I'm like,

you're like a big ass vulture and you're in a pretty tiny cage here right you probably have never flown like that seems kind of wrong doesn't it yeah yeah yeah uh that's not uh sort of on a case-by-case basis uh it also brings up the thing of i don't know what is the net positive you know if someone goes there and feels very touched by what they see and feels very uh inspired and goes on to pursue a career with animals it has a big impact that's true like what is the net positive like what is the net gain on the world there like it's i don't know if i mean our zoo is just for kids right like i mean i don't think like when i know i mean they're not just for kids but like if kids didn't exist somehow like you know what would what would be the attendance at zoos i mean like when we go so we got a membership to ours so we go fairly regularly and yeah like yeah do you think you'd have a

membership if you didn't have kids no probably probably actually you'll need to go like once for it to pay for itself so but uh but like yeah when you go you see kids but you also see a fair number of people that i'm assuming are like on dates or just looking for something to do yeah i can see that because people do like to watch monkeys at the end of the day people still you know we just talk about it get some uh some of those snow monkeys and people want to see those things uh yeah is there a top shelf i did not see a top shelf. Maybe I didn't look. Okay. Was there any chimps?

No chimps. Just the best you get is a few varieties of monkeys, but no, none of the great apes, no gorillas, chimps, or what's the other one? Orangutans. But then I'm like, I don't know if it's a really good zoo. Then is it kind of okay? Is it like, no, these people know people know what like how different is the zoo i don't know that you've seen the chimp

sanctuary much that that might be the fourth and final episode okay that was part of my issue with the thing is they're like these this monkey this this chimp can't go to the chimp sanctuary that's a terrible life and i'm looking i'm, any norm is pen with like room to play and go. I'm like, no, it's literal islands that they've constructed, like manmade islands. But it's like,

I'm looking at that. I'm like, that's like real habit. It's almost like just in nature. How is that a terrible habitat? Right. So that's what I'm wondering, like,

is a really well run zoo. Can it, is it kind of like that? And then it's like not as cruel. I don't know. Yeah, maybe, maybe. Is it kind of like that, and then it's not as cruel? I don't know. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe.

Also, in animal-related news, it sounds like Keith was eating cat treats on the Unpaid and Underrated podcast this week. I won't elaborate more, but it just sounds like he may or may not have been eating cat treats. He has verified the fact yeah he's just confirmed the discord keith in the live chat just said yes i it turns out he guessed it well i don't know why he was eating cat treats don't ask yes i was yeah and he said no one can ever stop me he said they're delicious they're sterile and i like the taste and good macros yes he was putting it in macro factor i think yeah oh what do you got a

beverage over there at all this week i still got uh still still water over here still still water from still water oklahoma yes i've got a little bit of the forbidden fruit over here still still water from still water oklahoma yes i've got a little bit of the forbidden fruit over here oh well lemon cello oh god the forbidden fruit would be good let's say you got took on that one A little nip from the forbidden fruit. The limoncello fruit. Someone played a trick on you. Carmex. I am always a little torn on limoncello.

I kind of like it, but it also tastes like I'm drinking Carmex at the same time. So take that for what it's worth. It means you don't like it. Yeah, and which is chapstick. Carmex is very chapstick adjacent for anyone that doesn't know. Should we tell the people that you're going on a little road trip here soon, Tanner? Is that the big announcement? Is it? I don't know.

Some people, this might be the big announcement. This might be as good as it gets. Yeah, here it's a big announcement actually yeah tomorrow morning i'm waking up uh bright and early um i'm waking up bright and early to head down to crew falls south dakota and we got a big content we got a big content trip planned and all day we're pulling an all-day contract trip and i don't know how much we're giving away here it's always a balance of what's a secret and what's not a secret but we're doing multiple gym tours and not at your house we're doing getting doing some

crew gym tours tomorrow gym tours we got equipment reviews we got opinion pieces we got i've got a pickup full of equipment right now that we're bringing down there that's not an exaggeration I have a pickup full of equipment right now and that has nothing to do with this you're just stating the fact it's just cause just in case you know that'll have to be in one of the videos at least where we

go to the back of my pickup and find it take a peek see at whatever things coming in on so yeah we're gonna have uh we really do we're not exaggerating we say we're gonna be filming content for probably like seven straight hours tomorrow it'd be i'm hopeful that we'll get like 10 we might get like 10 videos out of it even so it'll be uh it's gonna be an action-packed day we never talked about it i don't do we even have time to be able to do a training vlog video?

I don't think we do, actually. Yeah, we probably don't. No, I don't think that that fits into the puzzle anywhere there. Right, right. So, yeah, stay tuned for some of the crew. We're going to be some fun gym tours, I feel like, with getting the crew, the supporting member crew involved in that. Don't you think? Oh absolutely.

Well I got some new equipment too but I don't know if we don't know what cats were keeping in the bags and what cats were letting out. Those have to tune in on YouTube. And if these cats if they have treats what do we give them to Keith? Is he going to eat them or what?

I don't know okay yeah we do have a big announcement coming this episode though um before we get to that though or maybe or should we do the big announcement how far oh we're 25 minutes in i suppose we probably yeah i didn't realize we're 25 minutes in. I suppose we probably are. I didn't realize we were that far in. Yeah. What are the live listeners? We got quite a crew of live listeners here tonight. What do the live listeners think?

Do we want to do the big announcement while you guys are still on, or do you guys want to keep the surprise going until this upcoming Sunday? Like next week or something. We can send this out. Yeah, we could wait, but I'm not seeing anyone say that they want the announcement right now, so I feel like waiting is fine. Oh, one vote for us just waiting for the surprise from Anthony.

Well, that might take precedent over all the other votes, so if someone wants a surprise, I don't know if we should be the ones to ruin it. Oh, yeah, Anthony does know, actually. He was in the gym with me. I did, actually. So that's a tainted vote from Antony. Okay. Big Jess says that they want it now.

So should we do the big announcement? I think so. Do you got the announcement music queued up over there? Yes. uh yes that is just that's how i know something big is gonna happen disturbs bringing it on in yeah so the big announcement is the date this is part one of the big announcement the date has been set for the lift hard Live Easy Classic 3,

if that's what we're calling it. We'll just say 2025 for now. Yeah, the 2025 Lift Hard Live Easy Classic date is set in pea gravel. We have officially etched that into pea gravel of what the day is going to be. So it is going to be on July 19th, 2025 this year. Oh, is that July 19th,

2025? Yup. Oh shoot. That day. That's actually not going to work that day. Oh, we might have to move that. Well,

it it's going on. We might just not be able to be there, but it is going to be going on July 19th, 2025. So essentially the same weekend, Saturday falls on a 19th next year um you may have seen minnesota department of lifter safety they've mentioned something about it there's been a few other people that have made mention of things here and there and that is official uh date wise any notes on that way just it just made sense to keep it the same if we could make

it work and we could it seems to be it seems to be working for people's schedule it's not too close to the fourth it's not too close to you know school starting or whatever could interfere with people's lives so it seems like that day worked well always some people that any date's not going to work for and we just kind of have this established. So keep going. Probably the bigger news is the change. There's a change. The times are changing. The winds of change are in the air. I don't know if you can hear or feel or sense that.

Can anyone hear or feel? Yeah, there's a big change, and this is a big change, actually. This isn't just a pomp and circumstance. There actually is a big change. Is that right? Pomp and circumstance? Sounded correct to me. Are those the correct two words?

Sounded correct to me. Or is that just kind of what I've told myself it always is? I think you're good there. Okay. Might have to sneeze here. Yeah, it is. I have checked for you. It is pomp and circumstance though okay pause for dramatic dramatic effect so yes tommy do you want to lay it on them what our big change is well we have

changed the venue we have made a venue change this will be held isn't the formal title like the aberdeen Convention Center is that the formal title of that place I actually don't know okay well the venue is the Best Western Ram Coda Aberdeen in western northeast South Dakota and they do have a large convention hall in there obviously it's not as large as an entire hockey arena, but it is large enough for us to host the powerlifting meet without too much issue. And more importantly than anything, it is air-conditioned as well. So there will be a higher level of comfort for everyone involved. Yep.

And it is a big convention room, and it's the size of over two basketball courts, square foot, I don't know if it's like 10,000, 12,000, whatever it is. I got the exact number here for you. It's a big room, and we've actually completely mapped it out. Yeah. What do you call that thing you put together

where all the pieces are in the place little i did almost like a diagram of like the entire thing how the layout would essentially work and look so yep yep so we have diagrammed it out and the big there's a few there's pros and cons to any location that you have something at obviously and we have weighed them to the utmost. I promise you this. We make no decisions in haste when it came to this. We said we're actually glad this decision is done because Tanner, I mean, what, do we have 15 hours spent talking about this over the last two weeks probably?

Probably. And I made the comment the other day, I'm like, it's September 4th or whatever day it was. We're not even two months removed from the last one've and we have spent so much time on this i'm so i'm tired of it already so it is just just nice uh it's a relief relief to have that set okay first so questions big nick said how many bathrooms a lot yeah the bathroom setup is really good there yeah they probably have i don't know that bathroom probably has i don't know like i just the closest one to it probably has five stalls and ten urinals in it yeah something

and that's the cool the cool and that one's very close it's just like right out the door also a few of the other little benefits that go without saying yeah what else you got that this is a hotel means it is staffed and people are cleaning things up and there to work on things it's not just a bare bones here's the key figure it out on your own. Right, which is what we do at the Odie. Yeah, which is like an Odie is we are totally on our own. It's just, yeah, they literally give us the keys and say, here you go. It isn't a hotel, so that's another benefit is everyone,

you can stay wherever you want, but there will be a Mastanomics block of rooms. And in my opinion, I think it makes a great place to stay if having the meat and being there and everything yeah oh you're asking about bathrooms if you stay there you've got a bathroom i mean you can walk up to your room bathroom if you need to even yes yeah uh yeah so it's got that benefit of everyone can stay there. It's got a good restaurant in it. It does have a pool for everyone. There's a lot of concerns about that. There is a pool in their restaurant and bar, a good bar, actually, too.

Yeah, restaurant and bar one in the same. But the bar is good. But yeah, I mean, also, there will be a full bar. Yes, we will have a full bar at the event. Yes, a full bar. Yes, they will also the hotel and restaurant will also be catering the food. So that part will be taken care of so you can buy your food from them or if i mean if you wanted to leave if you're a spectator you can just leave and go to the actual bar in the restaurant right otherwise yes they will also have a full bar set up so whether you want beer alcohol

liquor whatever you can think of there will be a full bar there ready to serve you as well and uh the chairs chairs for all the spectators and everyone competing should be better than the piece of shit uh folding chair that is full of rust and falling apart uh these are the same chairs they use for weddings and stuff so it should be nicer there uh what are some of the other just little things like that tanner yeah i mean mapping it out we've got room for all the vendors to be, all the booths to be inside the room too. Nobody else gives a shit about this,

but there is easy access for us to be able to unload, load up equipment and everything, and that doesn't matter to the competitors. I think the big thing is, the number one thing is the air conditioning. Oh, Big Alex actually just posted it. They do have a really sweet pool at this hotel, too. There are lily pads in it. Distance-wise from everything else, I don't know. Nothing in Aberdeen is that far from each other.

It is a different corner. It's not far from the Odie, actually. Yeah, it is on the west side of town, which places it closer to where the Odie would be. You can take pleasure in knowing you're staying directly across the street from where I used to live. That is where my old house used to be. Also, this is where my wife and I's wedding reception was,

so you can kind of almost be a part of massonomic history in that way, and knowing that the same room that the powerlifting meet will take place in was where my wedding reception was. That's true. We did have to pony up more money for this so this wasn't uh we didn't that was also part of the decision process is this is more of an investment for us yes but i think the climate control will be worth it and um if for some reason we go i guess my feeling is this is going to be better

and it is worth it we obviously think that or else we wouldn't want to be spending more money making a decision that we think is going to be worse so it's obvious just the money alone talks that we think it's going to be better uh if for any reason it wasn't you know we could always go back you know it doesn't have to be permanent but i do think it'll be it'd be a better will be a better solution i think so too and they seem excited to work with us which is also nice yes that's a big plus they're very excited to the temperature thing kind of stresses me out a little bit over the last couple years because i worry about a hundred degree day that's what we've always said in south dakota like luckily it's never been too bad you know like i think the last two meets like the temperature that day was like low 80s ish

um but that's not to say like it wouldn't be unheard of to have a day that is a 105 degree day like that wouldn't be like the craziest thing ever happened and if that was the case it wouldn't be the best time for a lot of people. Right. And we've talked about it a lot. Or it could be 75 degrees this next year. It also could be. In which case it's like, oh, dang it, it would have been perfect in there. But I like removing the stress of that worry. You know, I think that that's.

We don't have to think about should the garage door be open now, closed now. Right. Did we bring enough extension cords for these big ass fans to be blowing for the next 48 straight hours uh just a lot of stuff like that keith keith is not the person first person to ask this question he said can we have the after party there and skip the zoo technically you could it is a convention center that they have night parties that is what the place is for is wedding parties usually yeah so it's like yes could we get a dj in or something like that and have the party there true yeah we haven't talked

about that i do like the zoo i think it's fun yeah to get everyone just out of the element and right out of the place you've been in for the last 12 hours. Right. You know, so certainly that's not a crazy idea though. Like what, especially when you're like at the OD, it's like,

well, we don't want to hang around the concrete floor OD and just like, let's get the hell out of here. It's too hot, you know, and all this stuff. Um, but that is,

you know, that is not a crazy point that he, that he brings up there. You know, the, I think regardless of that or irregardless, depending on which is the right way to say that, that I'm unsure of,

it'll be nice for the people that choose to stay there, that they can go like, say after they're done powerlifting, you can go run to your room quick. Maybe I want to take it like a really quick shower and be right back down here. You know, just having your room right there. That alone, I feel like, man, I've never been to a meet where we've had that. Actually, the one in Sioux Falls was kind of that.

The Sheraton was connected. They're just far enough apart that it was a little ways. But, yeah, to be done with your meet and then Strongman starts to be like, no, I'm going to run up to the room quick, and maybe you have some beer sitting up there or a cooler. And like, no, I'm going to rinse off quick, get a change of clothes, grab my stuff. And now I can just really go down and relax. Like that sounds, that sounds awesome.

Yeah. And also the fact that, I mean, like this is kind of the home base. So, I mean, there is a good chance that you know there could be 50 60 plus crew members all staying here yes i mean i think that there are competitors members all that like that's not crazy to say lifters certainly don't have to stay in this hotel you can still stay at whatever hotel you want to that's yeah that's your prerogative but that's kind of i think it is probably a lot of people's best interest to funnel it all this way and then if everyone's at the same hotel here it makes it that much easier when we're going to other places you know for all of our other stuff to to get back

and carpool and all that yep for sure anything else on the announcement the venue the date um i guess we're excited for it you know i mean we'll have it's good news yes all good news we're excited for it. I think it's good news. Yes, all good news. We're very, very excited about it. We'll have more updates probably, you know, what it was usually like November-ish, early December for actual opening of the meet. Yeah, we figure that might be about November-ish is when we would open registration. That's about what we did last year.

But we wanted to get the date out there now that we know it so people could keep that date in mind. Big Katie did say strong man. So that was the other thing that we have debated 10,000 different ways. We have discussed that so

much of options and what we can and can't do and limitations and uh uh yeah and just just everything every possible scenario i mean we've talked through so many scenarios and in the name of we're making a pretty big variable change this year with the venue and everything so we've decided the format will stay exactly the same as last year. And when I say that, it's powerlifting will be the same size. Exactly the same and slightly improved, I think, is actually what I would say. But the overall thing of powerlifting with, what, 90 competitors,

strongman with 25-ish competitors after the powerlifting meet is the way it'll take place. You know, as far as the scheduling goes, maybe we move a few things up a little bit in the schedule to try and just speed things along. But it is going to mimic last year's format. Keith brought up asking Dave to start the meet earlier. That is the plan. The powerlifting meet will probably start 30 minutes earlier.

A couple things to expedite that that probably cut 30 minutes out of the time of that run too. And then I think we have some, Jake has some ability. We kind of talked about that that he can shave some time also between event selection, et cetera. So it's very possible, I think very reasonable that the day is done 90, you know, an hour and a half sooner than last year. That along with the people being more comfortable

in general because of the temperature. And not having a fan blowing on your head all day long. Right. I think that the combination of those two things will be big improvements. You know, the little bit shorter time, like the time's not going to go way down. No, we're not cutting four hours out of the day. No, but the time gets improved a little bit. And then just like the drastically more comfortable conditions and people being able

to run to their room and also yeah the fact that people don't need to like all just bail out of there to try and get to their hotel rooms i mean right they're gonna bail out of there to walk to their hotel rooms like it's not like everyone has to carpool and leave and then they're just gone forever so there's just a lot of things like that but it was important we did want to keep the stories you know because it's it know, because it's tricky. Tommy even made the comment today. He's like, well, I guess there's probably a reason that you don't very often go to an event that is a strongman show and a powerlifting meet on the same day at the same exact place. Because it's hard to do that.

Yeah. It's very hard. Yeah. Just between space, volunteers, equipment, PA pa systems all of that yeah it running things in tandem is very difficult yes but i'm pretty happy with uh the plan that we have in place thus far including the venue so yeah so yeah so as of right now overall though uh athlete wise we're talking about the same as last year. So I guess we already know the artwork for next year won't be a hockey mask.

It's going to have to be a Best Western logo. Best Western logo. Just a picture of a hotel. It's going to be a Best Western mask. Yeah, a lily pad he says don't change your mind and lose the deposit like you did the american the american i've already forgotten about the american room was uh wasn't that room like 40 by 50 it's way too small i know that and this room for comparison is 80 by 120 so significantly

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this which means it is time for the title topic and the specific title is what too many powerlifting federations what another powerlifting federation something like that powerlifting feds can't get enough of them what's the deal with powerlifting federation powerlifting feds. I'll take two, please. Powerlifting federations. Lame. Just anything along those lines. We're still working on the title. There's just so many.

Yeah. So I guess the news was that it is not new news to anyone at this point that follows powerlifting whatsoever. But there was a significant new powerlifting federation, correct? I mean, as significant as a powerlifting federation. Significant? I don't know. Is that the right word? I don't know if that is the right word. That might not be the right word. Apparently, there was a falling out of some kind between people in the WRPF.

And the quick story is some people, higher ups at the WRPF, have split off to create powerlifting unlimited pu pu powerlifting unlimited and quite the smelly federation why did they break off i don't know a lot of questions to be answered there and uh they're not given any answers other than the most generic responses you could give to anything which is maybe part of where it gets annoying in the first place because the last time I feel like we had a major, we've covered this topic, I don't know, five, ten times since we've been doing this show.

I mean, it probably is a yearly topic. Once every couple of years, yeah, right. The last time we probably really covered was, as far as a new federation goes, would have been the USAPL powerlifting america split i believe yeah probably and there was pretty clear like what was going on it was never like why are they doing i mean philosophically it was kind of like why is this happening but you understood why it was right um so like there you at least had some answers people knew what was going on this one no

one really knows why for sure other than their speculation there was speculation and that's maybe that's maybe the most annoying part of it as someone that cares just just enough to know that this is happening but not a whole lot more it's like i don't really want to do the research to figure out i actually don't know if the research would get you anywhere because it's all just he said, she said stuff. But I don't really know for sure why it's happening, but it has happened. Yeah. And then because you don't really know, when someone comes out and says,

hey, here's this new powerlifting federation that we're running. This is the one that's for the lifters and stuff. And you're like, why is this the one? Wasn't the last one the one and the one before that was the one that's for the lifters and stuff and you're like why is this the one wasn't the last one the one and the one before that was the one i'm like i'm like is the is this the one or is this the same as all of the like is this just the same thing again with a new name that's what it feels like yes you're right i don't actually know i know i don't either i don't know nobody knows but no one knows that's the thing is you're just like, I guess, going off of some marketing messages from some Fed director somewhere or something. But I guess the one problem maybe always with the WRPF is that it always had these odd Russian ties to it.

You know, it's I don't know if anyone really ever knew what was going on there. Right. So because wasn't it, wasn't it originally the world Russian powerlifting Federation or was it always the world raw? I mean, it was, I don't know.

Like someone made the comment, like going back to episode, like a hundred something, we were talking about this crazy new Russian powerlifting Federation where they played metal music and they got the whippy bars and they got super wide plates and like all this, it was just this like odd spectacle at the time. And then sure enough that like makes its way over to America.

And then as the USAPA, USPA collapses, this now is like filling this power vacuum of what existed. And I think, I think it's to the point. So we've talked about this, our thing. We host a meet. We were just talking about about this. Our thing, we host a meet.

We were just talking about that earlier in this episode. We host a meet. And we've said multiple times, we do not care what federation the meet is in. We don't care about it one bit. The only thing we care about is that it is an officially sanctioned meet that can be put into open powerlifting. That is the only thing we care about.

Yes, and then beyond that, we want it to be a well-run meet. We want it to be a fun meet. We want it to be, we want the judging to be real. Yes. All of those things. You know, we want, but like all that other stuff to us at this point is just table stakes and a given because we have a meet director, meet directors, Stensland Powerlifting, Dave and Katie,

that we already know they're going to do all that stuff properly like it's proven especially between our couple of meets that we've done with them we know that firsthand specifically we know their reputation otherwise we don't give a shit what federation they are like they because they were xp, they were USPA, which they did, ran good meets then, then their XPC, which they ran really great meets then. And now I don't know, they might not be XPC anymore. There's something else. And there again, I don't care.

It doesn't matter. Like, I don't care what they call it because we know they're going to run the good meet. And then like what you said, we just want to make sure everyone's results are like official in the official sense of open power lifting yeah because that is kind of important to people we don't want to run a meet where it's like no these aren't going to you know your results won't make it a yard meet that like feels like was there even a rule book of any kind like right uh so i mean yeah like if dave showed up and was like yeah it's an apf meet next year i'd be like okay he was like yeah whatever spf don't care i mean yeah like if dave showed up and was like yeah it's an apf meet next year i'd be like okay he was like yeah whatever spf don't care i'd be like yep still don't care

don't even tell us whatever alphabet soup it needs to be sure yeah like uh i yeah i do not care i mean it's at the point now where like this is there's probably this is probably wrong on so many levels it would never work but it's basically at the point where like open power lifting could basically just release a rule book of like this is how a power lifting meet should be ran and it could just basically get the open power lifting stamp of approval that's what should be all that's a good idea that's it right there it's like don't even like if open power lifting says i'm sure they don't want that no i don't think they do because then it like feels like a conflict like i know they try to really stay like a neutral party to all of this but i'm like yeah you are

a neutral party that's what like it's the people that don't want to lead yes are the people that should be leaving that you know like they were like that's the classic here's a rule book of what we expect to happen in a powerlifting meet like just the most bare basic rules and then they're like and if you follow these rules and you have referees we will approve this damn meet and we'll just say it was an open power lifting meet i mean at that point isn't everyone happy you don't have like meat directors siphoning a ton of money because there's no like fed fee to pay and i don't say meat directors i'm saying like uh uh fed directors or whoever you're paying this mysterious fee to all the time and like that takes the whole thing out because

it's like, no, it's just about open power lifting. They don't have a whole board of directors and all these people that are trying to make money off of this. And it's like, Oh, problem solved right there.

Yep. Feds aren't needed anymore. Boom. Okay. But I know I'm oversimplifying it, but God, it just starting to feel more and more like that's just the way it needs to go.

Yeah. Another specific anecdote to hammer the point home, like with our meat specifically this is just one instance but the two things most importantly that our meat is it's a massonomics meat and it's a meat run by dave so it's a massonomics meat it's a stensland power lifting meat i think everyone that does the meat does it for one or both of those reasons yes at least one of them if not both of them like no one is doing this meat and has no idea who masonomics or dave is like right they're doing it because of those things like that's why everyone that's you know

the 90 people that sign up for this they sign up for it because of one of those two are more than likely both of those reasons nobody that's doing it is signing up because it's a WRPF meet or an XPC meet or an APF or a USAPL. Like that, at least in the context of our meet, which I think we have something figured out in that way, nobody cares about that. That's not the reason that people come to it. Okay, so we're not talking drug tested. Drug tested is different. I can understand because drug tested, there's implications of competing at a national and world level and there's like ladders you have to climb to do that so that's a whole different thing so we're not

talking about that i acknowledge that that is different um it's just starting to feel like now does anyone unless you're like a major does anyone really care about the feds anymore? I mean, I'm sure there are people. No, there's no big... I just don't get what the incentive is to actually care about a fed anymore. So it doesn't matter. Right, right. Like, care about the meat director, yes.

Because the meat director is the one doing the thing. The fed's not really doing anything. Like, let's be real. No. Other than offering a rule book and... I don't know. Like, the fed is just the loophole that has to be jumped through to get a good meat director to having their results published in open powerlifting.

That's, in my opinion, what the Fed provides at this point. That is it. Yeah. They're just the necessary evil of getting something sanctioned. Right. Quote unquote. And then a funny mental exercise that I've played on myself before. I actually have this thought.

I'm like, yeah. And then I laugh about it that I'm like, wait, that is also the problem because I'll think, you know what we need? We just need one, one other federation that doesn't care about any of that crap. Someone comes up with this new federation that, and then i'm like well wait that's what everyone keeps doing and like it just keeps exasperating the problem but like don't you can't you're like yeah that's what we need just one one federation one new one that doesn't care about any of that gets it that's what we need that really gets the lifters it really gets what's going on like it's like we're obviously couldn't be less

interested in going down that path but it's like yeah i think we got the ideas we could maybe execute it and then you're like but that's what everyone thinks i can't think that we're the only ones that think this way that like feds have like ruined themselves to the point like no one cares about the feds anymore no one does right so it's like our whole thing would be like no we'd be like nope we are out of the way like we want yeah we're only doing this just so you can get approval into open powerlifting like right because that's the only thing anyone cares about now is open powerlifting like before you needed the feds to like prove some legitimacy to your record it's like no what else tell me what else does the federation do am i missing

something i mean certain feds have like their usa us USPA nationals or like WRPs. Those are not real. Those are untested nationals. Yeah. I don't mean this as an insult, but they're like not a thing really. No, that's not a thing.

I mean, it's divided enough now that that's, that's not a thing. And it's not a thing. Like, again, it's like, that's like setting a state record.

Yes, it's a thing, but it's actually not really a thing. Right. Like it's just, again, because now, you know what you do?

You just look at old powerlifting. You're like, Oh, okay. You were that WRPF champion in that national standing. You were number 100 in the country that year. Like, yeah,

that's not actually a champion. It's right. Yeah. Cause the talent pool has been split so many ways because no one can, it's so dumb. Like it's not, it's just, it's dumb.

So what, I mean the, yeah, I, I just can't, I'm struggling to think of what else the fed provide. So what, I mean the, yeah, I, I just can't, I'm struggling to think of what else the fed provide. I mean, they provide the rule book and et cetera,

but that's all just another way of saying they provide what you need in order to get, you know, okayed by open power. The rule book is like 98% the same between all federations. So it's not like anything on there. Right. I mean,

it's like, can I wear a hat or not? Or, you know, it's like, okay novel is going on there right i mean it's like can i wear a hat or not or you know it's like okay whatever make sure make sure they do not have that loop on their thumb for benching right like that's gotta have that in the rule book um and yeah because same way i think um dave for example and his judges they stayed to the same standard regardless of what the federation has been. So even if, I don't know if this is accurate, if XPC had a looser rule book,

well, they didn't come in and now say, okay, everyone can squat really high and they're good. That didn't change. Now there's still the power lifting. Right, so it's still about the meet directors and how they run the meet, not the Federation. Yeah. directors and how they run the meat not the federation yeah you kind of just ran out of stuff to say about this because we have had this conversation so many times over the years but it is just comical that it still is a thing like no one has still figured it out and i don't even

know if like like people talk about these you know there's these big time pro meets that come and go over time. We've seen a lot of that too. And they all basically fizzle out because you can't make money off of this. That's the economics of it. There's not money to be, like, you can't, like, it's proven that you can't. I honestly like to put it like bluntly, like, you know, that there'd be a few power lifters each time that makes some money you know like john hack likes those again i'm sure you're not talking about a charity you're not talking

about a business like the reason golf and all these sports can play their pay their winners uh 20 million for winning the damn tournament is because they have so many they're making way more than that yes yes because yeah they're not doing it and like losing they're doing it because they're making so much ungodly amount of money yes and uh whereas these people running the the those untested big money meets like that i don't think that that's ever been a net positive i don't think so and sometimes we hear rumblings of like how they're like losing massive amounts of money it's just right usually there's a rich backer or somehow they get a few sponsors locked up that are throwing a ton of money at it and then everyone donates i mean their time and works for free and does everything and then it's like ah okay at the end of the day we got to pay john hack 30 grand let's think about it i know i

know it's not fair to compare everything to army to nars is the same as everything else but i'm like we don't have money like there's not money coming in to pay lifters. Like if we started paying lifters, it'd be like, we went from barely making anything to losing money immediately just by paying lifters. Even just a little bit instantly. It's not like, and that's like financial.

I'm saying like literally writing them a check for like winning or something like it. Like there isn't money for that. And we have a pretty successful meet that like a lot of people want to come and do and we get like a decent number of spectators we get a good sponsors i don't think there's like just enough money to do it i don't know if one big a big one could ever really even work unless you had uh like a brian shaw type person doing the shaw classic thing right you know where like there isn't there yeah that person doesn't exist and

i just don't know if power lifting can ever work well okay here's another good example i saw um um bryce uh bryce lewis yeah because apparently he's like a big usapl behind the scenes kind of guy i think he helps with their live streaming and all that and they just had their their like executive annual meeting reca recapping everything. And so the USAPL, like, one of the big things they were pushing was this pro series, you know, where they could pay the guys. And, you know, they have these huge meets and these video boards and all this. And I'm going to get the numbers wrong here, but it was something along the lines of, like, their national meet cost them a half million dollars to do and lost money. Like, a half million dollars to do. And money. Like a half million dollars to do.

And then the Arnold, which they also had a crazy setup for the Arnold. I can't remember if that setup was like 250 or $300,000. It was somewhere in that ballpark. Wow. And that also lost them money. It's like, yeah. Of course, of course it did. Because it's 250, a quarter of a million dollars to do a bottle of meat.

The other one step deeper is you know the people running the meet can't make money and part of the reason for that is you can't you can only ask for so much for a sponsorship because even at those biggest meets it's almost still a donation because there aren't eyes on it a sponsorship to a powerlifting meet nine times out of 10 needs to be looked at as a donation. Yes. Uh, we have some special circumstances, I believe, where we provide real value in return, you know, like at least we try to, and I know a lot of people try to, but a lot of times it is not, the sponsors aren't going to pony up more money because they're not getting a return.

Like, so why are, they're not going to sponsor the meat for $10,000 because they're not going to get anything. Well, that's the thing. It's like, I'll give you 500 because that's the most I want to give as a donation for this. Yeah, yeah. And that's, there's just so many things broken in the system, though, because also the consumables and powerlifting are so low.

Right. Where it's like, I don't know, just as, for example, golf. All right? Some people buy new golf clubs every couple years. That's a few thousand bucks, or it can be a few thousand bucks. You're buying balls all the time. You're buying apparel. You're buying shoes.

You're buying all of that. Yeah. All of the time. And just like powerlifting it's like yeah you got your gym yeah pretty much good forever unless you want to buy extra stuff but even like a lot of equipment companies aren't necessarily sponsoring meets anyways though yeah you know that's true i don't know well it's because they don't see value in it i know like i mean when i say they don't see value in it there isn't value because

the market would if there was the market would have figured that out by now and there would be you know and people would be spot you know like it's they would be it would be a fight to get the spots of the sponsorship not a begging act by the people running it yeah yeah the economics of it just don't i mean it's not uh yeah it's nothing novel here but the economics of it just don't, I mean, it's not, uh, yeah, it's nothing novel here, but the economics don't work out most of the time. I'm not even sure if it is broken. I think sometimes I'm like, that's just what power lifting is like power lifting isn't going to be a big money thing in the way that people want it to be more than that. Right. But I'm like, maybe it's just not like, is it really supposed to be more than that? Like, is it possible in this sport? I'm like, maybe it's just not like, is it really supposed to be more than that? Like, is it possible in this sport?

I'm like, maybe it's just people don't give a shit enough other than the people that just do it. And that's what it's going to be. I mean, I kind of think that's how it is. Yeah. Right. Right. The one other note that I would side rant on the whole thing is this is not material but the like instagram hype videos for federations need to stop don't do that i'm not hyped about a federation like at all right

like to all these because of all the points we just discussed for the last 15 minutes or whatever it's not cool you're not cool you're not making it feel cool i want you to just be a just in the shadows operate in the shadows don't even try to be a thing don't even right like i don't want to go to the cool federation none of it's cool because you all do the same yeah uh and also like crappy shit like you don't have exclusives with the lifters either. Like, no, it's not even like,

like the NBA doesn't make videos. We are the NBA, NBA, NBA, Adam Silver, NBA. It's like, no,

their videos are just all of the awesome players, the awesome athletes. And then there's an NBA logo at the end, but powerlifting doesn't have exclusives on any of the people, you know, on the untested side. So it's like, they can't even like claim athletes because it's like, ah,

whoever just decides to show up for a random ass meet that may or may not have money at it is like who's going to be here which again proves like the feds don't matter right yeah and i don't know maybe that's over critical and it's easy to cast stones i don't think it's over critical though when it's like this whole thing has proven time and time again that it can't uh self-monitor and police itself right um i'm also curious very curious so like right now if you look i don't know is there like 10 to 20 active federations in the u.s i'm sure maybe more yeah i, there's probably small ones we don't even know about. I'm sure there is. There's probably 20. I'm very curious if there's any other sports that subdivide themselves,

have allowed themselves to be, like, I feel like most sports settle on like, yeah, we have one governing body. Right. Like, I did,

okay, talking of more obscure sports, I did bowling. You know what bowling doesn't have? 20 different governing bodies. There's one. Like, everyone's decided there's of more obscure sports, I did bowling. You know what? Bowling doesn't have 20 different governing bodies. There's one, like everyone's decided there's one, you know, like it's.

And that seems to probably work out. Presumably everyone pays their dues. There's an agreed upon scoring system. And it's just like, yeah, there's one like universal board, but then it kind of goes back to, but that's what open power lifting does.

Like there are the universal board. Right. So it just feels again, like, but what does, what did the feds actually do yeah i think the dream scenario would be if open powerlifting took you know if uh they took it on and they're like no yeah we'll do that and i just feel like the feds would go away now and i know someone's gonna say well like okay you guys don't know the

inner workings of how this works enough like the feds actually do like clinics for coaching or not like referees and things like that but sure does that does that need to be under the i mean clearly everyone's figured it out like the fed doesn't matter that much because that just keeps hopping and hopping from place to place so it's not like onus still goes on the meat director so if a meat director is running shitty meats with shitty standards people will not want to do you know like which they have like we've seen it sucks like like judging isn't consistent across all feds either so you can actually you can't even prove that they're doing that correctly either so right again it comes down to yeah you just have like yeah well i guess then there's the all the equipment division then at this point too

where there's like monolift combo rack um knee wraps knee sleeves but don't like that pretty much all untested ones allow i mean it really isn't the biggest differentiator there is like what feds allow monos and what don't right right and yeah open power lifting doesn't keep a separate they don't keep a mono category squat it's not a monolift squat so it's just like yeah i guess whatever it is that you want to use in the meat there yeah they're going i think it goes back to the meat director it's like what kind of meats do you want to run that are within this overall framework that gets your lifts into this like a lot of meat directors don't want to haul models around you know set up monos and all that for most people that don't need one at all right

all that for most people that don't need one at all right yeah actually the more we've talked about this the more i just feel kind of confused actually probably feel more now that i've spent some time thinking about it i probably feel more down about the situation than i did before this conversation started yeah well it seems like i don't know that there's a really real much of a path to it changing. I guess it just doesn't have to. And you just still, you just stick with whatever your local area is. The people that, you know, run good meats and that's what people do. And then the rest just doesn't matter. Like don't, don't put any more stock into a federation than is absolutely necessary.

Which I think is like the stock you need to put in is like one stock. Like in most cases, none. In most cases, it's not relevant. And again, the tested side is different because they actually have like... Well, they do have nationals that matter, worlds that matter. So that you have to perform at like you can't just show up at the top level on the given day. Like I'm here.

This is the top meet. Like, you know, you have to like perform to which I think is good. I think that's how more of that should be. It'd be awesome if somehow tested untested powerlifting could get to a spot where like that was actually a thing where guys had to like show up multiple times to over the course of a year to make this whole thing work but right i don't think that will ever happen no do we put a bow on that powerlifting federations uh i think so i'd i'd love to hear the argument for why federations are really good and why we got this all wrong but uh yeah i don't know what that is at At the end of the day, I think it's safe to say we might not know power lifting federations because

there's really only two things that we do know around here. Basically comes to lifting and drinking. We know it beyond that. I guess we don't. We don't get the federations. They don't know much outside of that. No. What about macro factor?

Are you still on the macro? You've been down with the sickness? Are you, how sick, what's your sick percentage right now? What's your health meter? My health meter is, I actually feel day-to-day life feel okay. is uh i actually feel day-to-day life feel okay um i've been very very taken taking my time uh easing back into things which so i took i had to take all last week off like i had i had to it just was not in my best interest to do anything uh i mean i had a hard enough time like even getting work done in front of the computer it it sucked. And so this week I'm going to introduce basically been doing some body weight type stuff. So,

you know, some pushups, pull ups, things like that, running the ab wheel, just goblet squats, just keeping things light, getting some movement in. Next week, the plan is to introduce some barbell movements. And at that point, it's been like two and a half weeks, three weeks since I've done any. So I'll keep that super light, and then the week after will be when I'll actually get some weight on, and then it's probably the week after that when I actually can turn juggernaut back on.

So this has turned into like a four or five-week detour here. Yeah. Which sucks, but that's fine. I'm playing the long game here. That's true. We are playing the long game so it doesn't really at the end of the year it doesn't really matter does it no it actually does not i'll just i don't think it really does i'll just had five less optimal training weeks throughout the year

right right so over that period of time your nutrition has probably been way different uh yeah so i will say yeah so i will say with macro, it actually was helpful in a way that when I was sick, my appetite was just gone. It was very hard to eat. A lot of times the thought of eating made me just feel sick. But I did think like, oh, I'm sick. There's no point in even tracking. But I'm like, you know what? I'm sick.

There is a point in tracking because this is when it can really go off the rails. And for me, off the rails would be like massive calorie reduction so my yeah if you lose 10 point pounds it might be interesting to see it's like well i can see why i lost 10 pounds i was eating 1200 calories a day you know yeah and so i did i actually did throughout this whole process i ended up losing like six pounds which did suck um but it was because there was a lot of days where like the most calories i could put down were 2500 and i did find it nice though to like know where i was at in the process there were some days where i felt a little better and i'm like you know what i can eat more so like i was able to go

eat a little more uh but now these last couple days feel a lot better i'm finally hitting my calorie number some days i've actually just been trying to go over it because I have been in a deficit for the last almost two weeks. Right. So I still, Macrofactor has been a helpful tool and something that I am still continuing to enjoy. So Macrofactor, even helpful while you're sick. Even when you're sick, it can still be useful. Yeah, so, and we do, so the arrangement we have is

if you sign up, you use, put in massonomics as the discount code, you can get a couple of weeks free of charge by doing that. And we get something in return. So it helps us out. And so many, this is a real story. So many people are using this. We're actually getting like a real amount of money from it so it is appreciated if you like three people sign up but a lot more people than three have signed up which i think is good that shows there's a lot of interest in people uh tracking their macros and paying more attention to their nutrition which i think is a i can tell you something that i overlooked for a very long time yeah Yeah. I'm still planning on getting on it. I thought about it again today. I even looked at it in the app store, and then I said, I do not have enough time to go beyond this today,

but I did pull it up on the app store, and I thought the price is certainly not holding me back. If you're going to get it, you basically just sign up for a year because when you buy a year, it ends up being like 70 bucks for the year, which is right. You know, uh, five,

six bucks a month. So, and I'm talking like a big shot over here. I'm not worried at all about that $70. But my thing is, I know once I sign up, I am going to insist on using it fully. And I will be mad at myself if I go a day without,

uh, when I'm paying for it, I want to utilize it. And I know the reason I haven't got it yet, because I'm like, Oh, I procrastinated on being ready to make the commitment, you know?

Cause I know once I hit the pay button, I'm like, Nope, everything that it gets tracked in here now. And I haven't missed a day i have not missed a day since i started and i'm uh i don't even know am i probably six weeks in at this point i bet there's been days where it's been hard because we're on vacation and we're eating weird stuff but after you weigh everything it's like okay i got a walleye sandwich well i now i have

a decent idea that that was not 12 ounces of walleye. That was also more than three ounces. Whereas before, I've just been like, I don't know what anything is. So some of it you kind of type in and put some guesses in. But I do have a pretty good feeling that I'm in the ballpark on a lot of that random stuff now. Whereas before, I just would have never had any idea. So even on the days I don't know it i'm making my best guess yeah and in case you're curious what my one week trend my one week

trend is like because i found this little menu here there's a one week trend a one month trend there's even a three month trend and a one year trend but my one week trend i've been at 3100 calories on average of the 33,300 I should be having. So I'm only hitting about 93% of my calories. My protein has been at 190 of the 211. My fat has been at 120 of the 110. And my carbs have been around 310 of the 370. Carbs are the hardest one for me to get.

Struggle to get those carbs in, a lot of carbs. Well, it's tough when lifting and drinking is all you do. It's not lifting, drinking, and nutrition. It's lifting and drinking. Just two things. Not enough room for three. I've been over here training away

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not through the app if you choose to sign up because you have to go through the web browser to use discount code MASSANOMICS. That saves you 10%. There's a big incentive to do that because it saves you 10% on the lifetime of that membership uh when you do sign up and use discount code massonomics i've been using it like i just said i started finished my six week long bridge block last week this week i'm two days into the first week of my hypertrophy block. And boy, was I excited.

Good. It's fun so far. This first week of hypertrophy, I would classify it as having a fun time. I mean, doing some hard sets, and fun is a weird word maybe to some people, what they wouldn't consider fun. But to me, I'm like, oh, great.

The bridge block was good. I think it served its purpose for me. But I was very ready to change my training But to me, I'm like, oh, great. The bridge block was good. I think it served its purpose for me. But I was very ready to change my training off of that strictly time sets. And, yeah, so doing, you know, like four sets of eight was some common rep schemes that I've got going on in my primary movements. Are you able to, are you doing like like what's your squatting situation looking like? My hips pretty good. My hip is pretty good.

I'm not. But even the ankle, too, because that was the other. Oh, yeah. My ankle's good. Actually, my ankle has gotten made a lot of progress. I still can't squat well in flats on the flat surface. in flats on the flat surface yep but i'm down to when i squat now i just use the five degree wedge which is the smallest one we have which is probably somewhat comparable to wearing heels yeah and i i could when i do the belt squat i actually do wear my heels because you can't really use the

wedge on there very well yeah it gets in the way of the the yeah so and that feels about the same so i i what i the way i squat now is in flats on the five degree wedge i think eventually i'll get to where i can go just straight up on flats um but the five degree wedge allows me to like keep a technique that i'm like okay this doesn't feel completely messed up and like feel like my my my ankle is like my limiting factor on my squat because i don't want my ankle to be my you know what's holding me back from squatting more yeah and so are you doing ssb squats yeah so in bridge block i was doing transformer bar goblet squat uh hack squat and belt squat okay but now i switched in hypertrophy i'm doing ssb is my main squat like the movement just the elite yeah the elite fts ssb yoke bar i'm doing that on a five degree wedge in flats. That's my primary squat movement right now.

Mostly just cause, um, well, I want something that pitches the weight forward a little bit more because that's, you know, like I like to train that I struggle with it. So I like to use it then also,

I just don't need the bar, my arms to be pinned behind my back. Like right now when I'm, especially when I'm doing four or five sets of eight to 10 i'm like it's really nice for me to not that is when it really starts to get you those high volume ones yes aware entirely starts to hit um so hypertrophy block is great uh eventually i'll switch into a strength block and then eventually from there it goes on to peaking find out more at juggernautai.app. And that's where you get signed up and use discount code MASSANOMICS.

But I am enjoying it. And training is going overall good. And I'm just, I'm pushing it to the point where I'm like, I'm working hard when I'm lifting. But I'm also just, right now, I just don't care about the numbers. So like I'll, if I need to, I'll'll start a if i'm guessing my weight i'm always going conservative and i'm okay with building up if i need to so some occasionally some of my sets will probably be a little too easy on the rpe scale but i'm getting myself yeah i'm getting it dialed in i'm just being i'm just not too worried about the weight yeah it's what you can

make lightweight really hard too. That's exactly right. I actually want to do a YouTube. I've got that written down as a YouTube topic of just ways, the mentality of making, like using exercise variations to bring down the total weight, but still make it relatively just as hard. Yeah.

And I think there's a youtube video to that and i the one caveat to that is i would say yes if you're going to be a power lifter sometimes you just have to lift you do the heavy ass weight like there's no replacement for that but you don't have to do it all the time and the older i get the more i don't want to or have to do that all the time because i realize i can't actually well and you realize you don't need to though that's the other thing yeah don't need to and can't and can't and don't need to so if i don't need to why do i want to force it yeah yeah i was uh in this bridge block i can't remember if we talked about this i was making the move to low bar again after many many years yeah you did talk about that once yeah it was feeling good like it

actually it's it's kind of weird how strong that position feels and then when i watch a video of it i'm like it doesn't like in my back it feels just so different like it feels like a totally different exercise right and then i watch the video I'm like it doesn't look that different really though so like have I just like convinced myself like how upright I need to be and I just can't like shake that now but uh yeah it is definitely though a different feel doing it so I'm curious to see where that uh takes me as time goes on here yeah yeah I guess you've got you've had to put a little bit of a pause on the low bar but so when you get back in it you'll use low bar again or you will and i still and i'm doing

i've been doing like the i was using the yoke bar for like my accessories it wanted me to do a high bar but i'm like i've been doing like nothing but high bar for the last couple years so i can switch that out it is weird though doing like a squat workout not feeling like it's really hitting your quads really hard the whole time it's like yeah what's what's supposed to be addressing my quads here like where did the quad gains come from right okay um oh i should probably read uh but this episode is also brought to you by barefoot shoes barefoot shoes are our favorite. Barefoot shoes to wear in and out of the gym. The company was founded by Chris Duffin, a guy who knows a thing or two about lifting weights and moving weight.

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I don't know if anyone actually knows what's going on. I kind of feel like the machine has a mind of its own. Is there a human being that knows what is going on? What is actually going on behind the scenes? I don't know if anyone actually knows what's going on. I kind of feel like the machine has a mind of its own. Is there a human being that knows what's going on? I think there's one that's pulling strings. But it's like the same thing with all these AI, large language models. No one really knows how the machine... It's like they get how the machine's constructed, but at the end of the day, the machine's kind of making its decisions.

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And, and for that, on that token, for something that does even matter more is our YouTube metrics. It's been really good seeing quite a few videos do well on our YouTube channel and subscribers continuing to climb on our YouTube channel. That's probably, you know, the numbers are a little bit lower, but it's probably like far more meaningful than Instagram, honestly,

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Video's doing really well. It's good to see that on there and, uh, check it out. Okay. Anything else? What's this dude thing? Um,

is that anything or do we wait on that for next week? I'm just trying to decide that might be too long of a conversation. Be too long. Okay. Maybe we'll save that for next week. Is it like a big Lebowski thing? Uh, no,

not really. Okay. We'll save that. Okay. We we'll save that for next week. Is it like a big Lebowski thing? No, not really. Okay. We'll save that. Okay. We'll table that. We'll table that discussion for next time. Maybe we should kind of bring this one on, bring it on home, Johnny. I think so.

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When you say, like, what is signing up involved, all of the signing up involved is literally going onto our website. There's a Crew Falls tab, and you sign up. There's no cost to the event other than you getting yourself here. Get your ass here. You're not paying us for it. and then what do we do there where you're going to have a group training session on the saturday where we kind of got the the new gym uh how do you say the name most campeones it's a new gym in crew falls that we're going to get to uh train together as a group we're

going to go out for breakfast prior to that we're going to go out that night and rip it up maybe have some cigars there will be some friday plans as well keith was worried about that a lot of guys are getting friday so we'll get some friday plans so we're officially gonna put try and put a plan together for friday night this year too right i think so not and not everyone will be there because we know a lot of like it's more like the semi-local people that are like i'm not driving in until saturday morning which that'll be just fine saturday will be the meat and potatoes but we're gonna we want something specifically for friday for those that are making the big trip in the big trip and then there's

enough local people that uh yeah you know it yeah it'll be fun it'll be worth it um yeah okay so yeah you can still get signed up i mean really you can get signed up whenever the hell you want to. But it gives us something to talk about if you go sign up. So it makes it. And we do talk about it. We're like, oh, is there a new sign up? Who is it? You know, we do. We do talk about it.

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