Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 52: The Ketogenic Diet

Episode Date: April 3, 2017

If you've been paying attention lately, I'm sure you've been hearing the words, "Ketogenic, Ketosis, and Keto" quite a lot. We brought Professor Schanz on the podcast this week to give you a little insight into the high-fat, low-carb (basically no-carb) diet that has become increasingly popular over the past year or so. Tune in to hear the science behind the diet, and learn about The Professor's personal experience with the Ketogenic Diet. As always, you can watch this episode in full color video... Or check out the super-high quality audio version below.. If you don't already have a closet full of Massenomics gear, go to the MASSENOMICS STORE and load up on swag... Also, please CLICK THIS LINK TO GIVE US A 5 STAR RATING ON ITUNES... Click this text to follow Massenomics on Instagram... Vote Massenomics for President in 2020.. Have your barber shave our logo into the side of your head.. Maybe get a Massenomics tattoo while you're at it.    Or you could sign up for our email newsletter at the bottom of this page. Stay Strong, M

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We're all partially recovered, I think, at this point. Nobody's back to 100%. Partially is the key word there. Definitely not 100%. We're all starting to get sick from all the germs and lack of hydration. The 300,000 people we came into contact with. Has anybody weighed themselves? I was down. I have not.

I'm down eight pounds. I was not down eight pounds. The thing was, we had a bunch of crappy food there because we just kind of ate whatever, but we were walking so much that I was like, with's all this crappy food i thought i might gain some weight but we walked it all off pretty much it also was really really tough to get like water in that you know what i mean the amount of the amount of walking we were doing and it's not like you can drink a gallon or two of water in a day while you're there so that was uh been my full-time job since i got back was trying to drink enough water it's been my pee still looks like like iced tea a little rustic

and how have your feet been holding up tyler oh yeah we were just talking about this so did i even get into this on the podcast while we were there no i don't think so you just mentioned in passing you've had feet issues your special, they've been brought up before on this podcast. By mentioned in passing, he means I've been complaining about it since Saturday at the Arnold nonstop. Yes. Yep. But I don't know what the deal was.

My feet hurt from walking around, but by Sunday for sure, there was something weird going on. I could feel my pulse in them, and they were so swollen. And then on the flight's back, it was so bad. I had to lay on the ground with my feet in the air. I got home and put my feet on ice packs on the couch while I tried to nap. And is any of this something that's happened before, or is this all new? I've never experienced it before at all so i got i got uh a good night's sleep on monday night a pretty good night's sleep tuesday night but it

still was getting worse until basically today at noon like it i rounded the corner but i thought my foot my they were so swollen i thought my feet just going to like tear open like a hot dog in the microwave. It was, it was bad. So I didn't need to go to the yard. So that's, that's a solid plus. So what got the swelling down finally? Time? Working, I guess. Cause you're on your feet at work quite a bit, aren't you?

Yeah. I don't know. I'm about to get walking super long distances. No. quite a bit aren't you good for yeah i don't know i'm about to get walking super long distances no and i'm also maybe about to give credit to my fucking orthotics or something i don't know if you know all the time you wear orthotics yeah and only in my work boots i'm too lazy to change them out and they're too expensive for me to buy multiple so do you have flat feet yes but that's why you got the orthotics yeah well i got, I got orthotics after like an injury. Like my flat feet got to where I'd collapse my arch and, you know, plantar fascia issues.

So they're like, well, wear these. Which then after I started actually researching it, it's like, that's not really a good solution. Like wearing the orthotics. You're better off correcting your mechanics than you are just putting a fucking lump in your shoe. Were your arches, like, already fallen, though? Were they kind of past the point of retraining? At that point, yes, because they were injured. It was injured pretty bad.

It was, like, seven months of pain. You know, what I've kind of read with that is that, you know, once you're past that point where they're falling, like, you can't really train them and fix them. Strengthen your arches back up again so you're kind of stuck with the orthotics. And honestly, I think you guys know about my knee problems. I have chondromalacia in both my knees.

Is that sexually transmitted? Yeah, I think I've heard it. They taught us this in high school. It's from not wearing a condom. I remember learning about this. I knew it. But anyways, I'm flat-footed, and one foot's way worse than the other. And it's so bad.

It's not anything that's correctable with exercises or biomechanics. So I actually bought some insoles, and that's been helping a little bit. But I've kind of investigated, and I might be looking at getting some orthotics just to help take the pressure off my knees. The other thing I've read and none of these are substantiated this is all internet facts so so we're gonna assume that they're correct it's on the internet so i'm just gonna parrot it right here for all of you to listen to but it was also there was like some studies done on like custom expensive orthotics versus

like regular like store-bought insoles and spending the three to four hundred dollars on the custom orthotics is basically not worth it so do that cursory google search and then hang your hat on whatever the first thing that pops up yeah like i would do the research i've done is kind of contrary to that depending like if you have more severe problems if you have real bad you know fallen arches that orthotics are worth the customization of it because you're not going to find the insoles for people with feet that bad at your standard whatever store so well wear a condom guys yeah nobody wants that condom Malaysia nobody wants to be wearing orthotics. We actually have a real topic to discuss today. Oh, I thought this was the orthotics episode.

After six minutes of talking about Tyler and Sean's feet. This week we want to talk about the newest, hottest craze in the world of dieting. I would say for sure it's the new hotness, right? Well, it's cyclical. You know how those things go and things are cyclical. But yeah, I think with CrossFit and then kind of Paleo made a big push along with CrossFit. I don't know, chicken or egg thing there. But they both kind of started getting more popular.

And then I think the natural evolution from Paleo, which is kind of low-carb-ish in general, would be to go to the ketogenic diet, which is what we're going to be talking about. So, you know, I just think it's something that falls in line there. Yeah. And it's becoming more popular for sure now. Now, I'm going to give my rudimentary average dude's understanding of what the ketogenic diet is. All righty. And then you have to explain that after me.

So my understanding is the ketogenic diet is almost no carbs to the point where the only carbs you're getting are, you're simply trying to avoid carbohydrates 100% at almost all costs. Yeah, pretty much. And then you're also going to have a higher fat intake, significantly higher. higher fat intake, significantly higher.

Yep. And then the goal is that your body will eventually retrain itself from using carbohydrates as fuel to then using fat as fuel. And then at some point, then your body will start to, I don't know, burn more fat and you'll get leaner and jacked and tander and all those things. Especially tander. Yeah. Tander. That's in the dictionary. Yeah. So that's my understanding of it.

And will you tell me how some of those processes actually work? Yeah, yeah. You're pretty much right on that from your rudimentary standpoint, yes. Yeah, you're kind of like, with your induction phase, which they'll call it, you know, to get actually into ketosis, you want to be probably under 15 grams, which, as you say, is virtually nothing. Like, you could eat a few servings of broccoli and be at, like, half your caloric allowance or carbohydrate allowance for the day.

So, yeah, very easy to get to the amount or to go over that 15 grams. And then one thing that was omitted from your explanation, yeah, you do become more fat dominant in your burning, but you also produce – you start to produce ketones from your liver, and that's where the whole ketone, ketosis, ketogenic diet thing comes from, the whole keto part. So your brain can actually only use, well, I shouldn't say only, but primarily uses glucose as a fuel. It can't use fat.

So what happens then is you're not giving your body glucose to use for fuel. Your brain needs to use something, and that's where the ketones come into play. Now, the rest of your body can use ketones, but when you go into ketosis fuel your brain needs to use something and that's where the ketones come into play now the rest of your body can use ketones but when you go into ketosis your brain really starts to use that for energy instead of glucose and that's that's really why you get the uptake in ketones and now also there is kind of a bit of a phase in the beginning where for a week or so you feel like diggity dog shit yeah right keto flu you're kind of like fuzzy aren't you or so you feel like diggity dog shit. Yeah, they call it keto flu. You're kind of like fuzzy, aren't you?

Yeah, it feels like the flu. I mean, it can be worse for some people. It can last shorter or longer. You can get to it quicker. It just depends on the individual. But yeah, it pretty much straight up feels like the flu. Like you're lethargic. You can even get like hot, cold flashes type of thing. I did the ketogenic diet

for about four weeks. I tried it out. I went into ketosis real fat because I was pretty fat adapted before. I've never been a real high carb guy. I don't tolerate carbs that well. I went into ketosis. I want to say, or started to get into ketosis probably after about three or four days is all. And I had that keto flu for about, about two days, I would say it lasted and then I was over it. And, uh, once you got through the, uh, the funk, if you will, what, what was the, I guess I want to back up. What level of discipline did it take to eat what you had to eat to maintain to maintain ketosis and what were you eating yeah so that was actually the hardest part I spent the most amount of time doing research because I understood the science of it pretty

quick and why it worked but the hardest part the most amount of research was finding what foods to eat and what I couldn't eat. Like just, I mean, like the broccoli, just understanding that, you know, a few servings of broccoli and you're getting half of your core carbon intake. So it was like trying to find things that wouldn't just drive me crazy that I'd be able to stick to the diet. So I tried out some new recipes and stuff and ultimately just ended up settling on a lot of beef, And ultimately, I just ended up settling on a lot of beef, a lot of spinach, a lot of olive oil, cottage cheese, some eggs. I've never been a real big egg guy.

Some nuts, but here's the thing. There's some nuts that are higher carb, air quotes here, higher carb, and some that are lower carb. So there was macadamia nuts that I happen to like that are lower carb so i ate a lot of those and it was just it was a small variation of food um unfortunately and it was it's it sucked it was really hard to stick so are you still doing it right now or no okay no um yeah i after about four weeks um i i decided that uh it worked first of all it worked very well and very quickly um one of the things too is you tend to shed a lot of water weight right away too um you kind of it kind of has a diuretic effect so from from a fat loss standpoint it's effective but even more like, shedding water and then you look. You look different.

When you shed water, like, you look leaner. So that, I mean, that right there kind of hooks you, too. You're like, damn. You know, even though it's water weight, but, like, you look in the mirror and you're like, holy crap. Like, this is working fast. Yeah. But, I mean, you know, my waist went down an inch, like, I would say in probably two and a half weeks. And, I mean, that's pretty fast to lose an inch off your waist for,

I'm not a very big guy the way it is. So, you know, I'm about to carry a ton of fat. So, you know, that, that was, that was a quick, you know, quick turnaround for me or quick results, I guess. And when did you, you said about a month you, you stayed with it. And when, or why did you exactly just kind of give up on your experiment? Did you ever intend on it being a long-term thing? No, not necessarily.

Was that going into it, how you kind of never intended on doing it for a long time? Is that because just looking at it you go, I can't fucking do this forever? Pretty much. I didn't know how I was going to feel on it. The things I had read is that people feel really good on it. You know, they have very stable energy levels. And the thing was is, yeah, like you get very stable energy levels, but they never get any higher and they never get any lower.

So you never feel awesome? Yeah, like you can eat some carbs and you can get a mood boost from it a little bit of energy boost from that immediate glucose with this like you're just you know you don't get any lows which is nice but you don't get any highs either and to me that sucked like and you don't really like there's some i don't i'm not a big foodie you know i kind of look at food as fuel but there are some things i look forward to eating you know especially on the weekends because like i cook all my meals for the week pretty strict then and then when the weekend comes you know i like to be more liberal with my food intake but i didn't have anything to look forward to on the weekends because it was same old shit you just didn't have a lot of options and i was like all right this sucks and

then like the the the mood well not the mood thing necessarily but like the energy levels just always being the same energy levels like that bothered me and then the workout suffered a little bit too honestly well that's another thing that i i've heard is that like trying to fuel a workout in ketosis is is i think it's more challenging for some than for others but i think the key to my understanding of the ketogenic diet is that it's much more suited to people who are just trying to lose weight and probably aren't going to use any sort of exercise. Yeah. Well, yeah. But also if you're that type of person, it's probably difficult to adhere to a absolutely ridiculously strict fucking – like ketogenic diet to me seems like it's,

like it's like really dogmatic because it either, you have to be so firm on it for it to work at all. Otherwise you go way the other way. Like if you don't get into ketosis, your fat intake is way fucking high and like it's not good. So, well here's, we didn't really touch on this and i wanted to talk a little bit about how how it works necessarily like if you're not in ketosis it's not you know the end of the world if you're still eating the half high fat diet because this

is what i mean the main benefit isn't necessarily the ketones the ketosis itself it's the fact that when you when you don't give your body glucose, because you produce glucose-burning enzymes, which if you're someone who's consuming a lot of carbohydrates, you produce that, and then you're efficient at using carbohydrates. So if you consume a lot of fats, you're getting up to like 60%, 70%, 80% of your fat intake, your body upregulates the amount of fat-burning enzymes you have, and you become really efficient at using fat for fuel. So then you move

into a caloric restriction and your body is a fat burning machine um so when you know your body's lacking energy it has a much easier time mobilizing fat energy stores to use so you burn fat a lot better so you know the whole ketosis thing thing, it helps because you know that you're not using glucose and your body has to move into ketone, you know, ketosis and produce ketones and you're burning more fat. But, you know, it's not the end all be all there. Gotcha. So then what happens like if you were, when you are in ketosis, if you were to like one night go out and eat, you know, consume a like carb heavyheavy meal, would that throw the whole thing off just like that? Like if you were to eat a 16-inch large pizza in 15 minutes. And then you just wash it down with a few beers.

Yeah, definitely. So it would knock you out of ketosis. And then the other problem with that is that... You would shit so much. Other problem with that is that... You would shit so much. There's a term called insulin resistance where your body is basically not sensitive to carbohydrates in a nutshell. So when you're efficient at burning fat, you actually develop a form of just physiological insulin resistance where your body isn't used to burning carbohydrates, so it doesn't do a good job of it.

You kind of are like a suedo-diabetic at that point. So you're fat-adapted, you're into ketosis, and all of a sudden you dump a whole bunch of carbohydrates on it, and your body doesn't know how to tolerate it. It's not efficient at using carbohydrates. It's out of practice at that point. Yeah, your blood sugars spike up really high, your body's dumping insulin because it's not working the way it should,

and it can be an issue if you've been in ketosis for a long time and you really just go off, you know, go off the deep end with carbohydrates. That's not something you would want to do. You would want to, you know, taper off of that, you know, and gradually introduce carbs and get your body adapted to use them again. Otherwise, you would run into that problem. Now, to introduce the, like like psychological element to this though, if I was to do the ketogenic diet and be in ketosis for a month, like if I really stuck it out for one month, if I were to decide

not to do it anymore, I would go way off the fucking rails right away though right like like isn't that because if it's requires such a high level of discipline i would guess that 99 of the people that when they do give up on it do go like nobody tapers back off into nobody tapers back into carbs how else are you gonna make up for all that lost time yeah i was like well geez how am i gonna get all this macaroni and cheese into my body these four ice cream cakes don't eat themselves right well and yeah i mean that that that would be all on the individual like if you if you set a goal hey i'm gonna do this at for four weeks you know to just kind of do a tune-up with my body burn some fat um you know resensitize myself to carbohydrates and you know my relationship to carbohydrates and, you know, my relationship with carbohydrates.

And then you say, okay, my four weeks are up. I'm going to slowly introduce carbohydrates back in. You know, maybe if you had it set up where you're not like, oh, I'm going to do, you know, the ketogenic diet and this is what I'm going to do. And then you realize, well, that sucks. I might as well just eat all the carbohydrates I want i want yeah if you planned your way into it and planned your way out of it you'd be fine but if you fell off the wagon you're gonna fall off pretty hard i haven't had i haven't had a carb in a fucking month do you know what i would do if i didn't have a carb and when i went back on yeah i'd be diabetic in two days so the other thing what about like what it does take to do it and obviously this is like i said all to the individual for sure but i think because of the level of discipline

that it takes i mean the results obviously are i would say pretty locked in like i mean they're pretty substantial science and yeah, it's, it's legit. But I do think because it's so strict, like how sustainable for you, would you, could you, I mean, could you imagine me having that just be your thing? That's just how you eat? Uh, no, not personally. And for someone who likes to lift weights where you spend a lot of time in the glycolytic system using glucose for energy um you know when you're someone someone who wants to build muscle like i do ketogenic diet's not great because carbs are anabolic you know they promote insulin secretion insulin's

anabolic so you don't get near as much with the ketogenic diet so you know it's hard to fuel your workouts um weight training specifically and then it's hard to fuel your workouts, weight training specifically, and then it's hard to, you know, induce hypertrophy, protein synthesis, you know, without those carbohydrates because they, you know, they have an anabolic effect with insulin. by suppressing stress hormones when you're working out because it's a stressful environment and you produce stress hormones. So it has an anti-catabolic and an anabolic effect. So kind of a double whammy you're missing out on. Because carbs are awesome. They are kind of awesome. Everybody knows that.

So what about training in that glycolytic state? What is that like then in ketosis? How does that work? Um, yeah. So basically I was the most noticeable crash and burn. No, it's more, like I said, you know, you're, you're very even keeled on the ketogenic diet. So, um, yeah, you know, the thing I would say is it's hard to get amped up like for a set um and then it's hard to sustain like an intense set the first first thing i notice is you burn out fast

you don't have the endurance to push through like uh you know a longer set especially something like in those hypertrophy ranges we were talking eight to ten to twelve reps um those are hard the the lactic acid you know you get you get, you don't get the buffering system from that. Like you do. And it was just, the pain was more noticeable. It came on faster. The fatigue set in faster. Um, and it, you know, it was just overall tougher. And then just mentally, one of the worst parts was the pump. There's no pump, like very little pump because you don't, you don't have have any you have very little glycogen left in your muscles which glycogen you know attracts water to it and you got you got your your glycogen

in your muscles you got your water in your muscles and that's that's the pump you know and along with the blood being through there so you got these flat ass muscles and your workouts kind of suck so yeah it was it was, it was definitely mentally tough to stick with. Now, I also see a lot of people who are like extremely overweight, maybe that don't have like a great relationship with food in general is where I start seeing a lot of the ketogenic stuff popping up now too, is like, that's what they're going to do. That's the new thing like that's what they're going to do that's the new thing that's what you're going to do um what about using it as a tool for like trying to carve out like a good year of just weight loss maybe for someone who doesn't exercise i think for people

who are primarily sedentary and don't exercise i actually think it'd be extremely effective if they had the mental discipline to stick with it because I'm a very firm believer in that you have to earn your carbohydrates. They're an immediate energy source, and if you aren't doing something that requires an immediate energy source, you probably don't need a whole bunch of carbohydrates. So these couch potatoes, they don't need it. They're not doing weight training. They're not doing what we do. They don't need to fuel.

They don't need to build muscle, et cetera. So the ketogenic diet i think would be much more suited for them obviously it's hard they probably don't have the mental fortitude to stick with it but if they did i think it'd be super effective because it's you know harder for them to lose weight they're not burning the calories they're not building the muscle like we are they don't have the the metabolisms that are going 100 miles an hour so something like this where their body becomes really efficient at burning fat, without that increased metabolism and muscle mass,

I think it would work very well for them if they could stick with it. Now, for the sake of, one of the things with at least the way that I eat is that I allow myself a fair amount of freedom. You know, it's the old Jocko Willink thing, the discipline equals freedom. I eat very plain and very strict for the most part, not in an unpleasant way, but I'm definitely on point five days a week, all three meals for five days a week. And I have maybe one meal on a weekend, maybe two at the most where I can just eat whatever the fuck I want. Now you can't really do that with ketogenic diet, right? I mean that is like we had talked about before being quite a bit

it would be quite a bit of a unpleasant setback. You could eat unlimited hamburger and spinach. Bacon is the food for the ketogenic diet. So if you like bacon all the recipes you look at they all have bacon in them. It depends on what you want to gorge on.

And I suppose you could go, just go nuts calorically, just lay off fun carbs. Here's another thing we didn't talk about though, is that like you fill up like fast, like fat is satiating and protein is satiating. It makes you feel full. So, you know, you're getting a whole bunch of those. You're not, you don't really feel the need to gorge on carbohydrates. Yeah, you'll crave them a little bit, but you don't get the crazy hunger swings. You ever notice how sometimes you eat some carbohydrates or you eat something that's sweet or something like that,

and then very shortly after that you're even hungrier? You don't get that with the ketogenic diet. It doesn't happen. I'll be the judge of that. Yeah. Maybe you should do it just to, just to see if that happens to you. No,

I don't, I don't want to shit on anything I haven't tried or anything like that, but I certainly, this, I can just on paper, there's just, it's just no way it's for me. There's just no way.

I also think I would have a hard time just sitting down with a meal and not having it have the, the mass that my carb heavy meals have you know like you know I sat down tonight and I had 11 ounces of turkey breast and two cups of rice and a cup of green beans and it was by the end of it I'm just like fuck you know just getting it in but there's no way that I could eat, you know, I think with the fat, trying to keep, it's a lot easier to be full on like a clean diet with some clean carbs and vegetables than it is to just with fat. Yeah, there's a lot of volume. So I like to get done working out and I like to come in, I like to feel full, get myself a shower, you know, and go to bed.

to come in i like to feel full get myself a shower you know and go to bed yeah and one of the things that people do for the volume and that is the greens like um after you're into ketosis out of some leafy greens yeah you know and after ketosis like you're you probably have leeway from 15 even all the way up to 50 grams where if you've been in ketosis for a while you could go up to 50 grams of carbs you know not knock yourself out so you, you can pile on the broccoli and the greens at that point, and you're probably going to be fine. And that's how people add volume. One of the things I also wanted to talk about is that you don't get as much fiber. You know, you think about where all your fiber comes from, you know, your grains, you know, you get some from your vegetables, but most people's fibers come from the grains. You know, I, I used to eat a lot of beans before I got on this and

I'm like cutting up fricking beans. Like how restrictive is this? Like I couldn't eat yogurt. Like I used to eat yogurt and blueberries at lunch and I'm like, I can't eat yogurt. I can't eat blueberries. I can't eat beans. Like this is stupid. Those are three like healthy foods. So anyways, you don't get as much fiber and you get constipated like that for sure happened with me really they would they recommend buying some metamucil and you uh you don't have the metamucil drink so you get your you get your fiber that way one of the things that i had seen too is people take and they'll eat they'll that's where they'll use the mct oil and they'll use quite a bit of that. But there's a fine line between eating enough of it to keep you lubricated.

But once you cross over that line, it is an absolute fucking crisis situation with the MCT oil. Yeah, that's because, I mean, you probably read this when you were looking at the MCT oils. But, like, your body doesn't store that. And that's the thing with MCT oil. It just moves. It's a fast, fat energy source. And if you take a whole bunch of it, your body's got to use it or get rid of it. It can't store it.

So, yeah, you get the freaking liquid, greasy MCT shits. Luckily, that never happened with me. I can't imagine, yeah. luckily that never happened with me i can't imagine yeah another thing that sucked about it too is uh you know carbs basically help your body to produce serotonin which relaxes you and helps put you to sleep at night so you're not getting any carbs you're fairly low on serotonin and people have a hell of a time sleeping and yeah right away like the first two weeks i had a hell of a time sleeping probably took me an extra hour to fall asleep. And I hated that because I'm not the best sleeper in the first place.

So that was miserable. So my like overall takeaway from the things that I've read on it, you're the only person I know personally who's even tried it. So I don't have like a whole large sample size other than I see a bunch of people posted on Instagram about it. And I've done some reading, but all I see when I see it is this laundry list of things that you cannot eat. Yeah. And that, I think, if I was to recommend to just an average person coming to maybe like change the way they eat, to recommend to just an average person coming to maybe like change the way they eat personally if i was making those recommendations i would like steer somebody towards like sustainable healthier

get yourself in a caloric deficit eat in a way that makes you feel full for people you know i mean for people that are overweight it's because they're eating too much or at least too much of the wrong thing so i would think that you'd be better off just changing so that you're eating in a way that you're simply in a bit of a caloric deficit and in a way that you can sustain it this to me to somebody who does at least has not up until this moment shown enough discipline to to eat properly seems like it's pretty fucking restrictive and telling people if i come up to you off the street and i'm like you can't eat noodles bread rice fucking oatmeal anything that you like yogurt fruit yeah fruit you can't have more than a few pieces of broccoli a day even and it's just going to be nothing but

that's supposed to be healthy nothing nothing but meat and fat man and like and you still have to be in a caloric deficit yeah so like and and fat is pretty calorically dense yeah so so while you may feel more satiated like you're not's on paper, it's not going to look like you're eating as much as you would if you had a big old, like one of my dinners. So I just think if, what I would recommend if someone was asking me, I'd be like, well, let's just start steering you towards some healthier, sustainable habits other than something that's very far out there. something that's very far out there. It seems to me like it's a, it's an effective tool, but it's a pretty advanced tool as far as like psychologically what it, what it demands of you. You know, you gotta be really on the point or on the ball. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It, it, it takes some serious discipline, but yeah, it, it, it is super effective. And then like you see the people that are about that lifestyle, that ketogenic lifestyle,

and they're all geeks on it, it seems like. They know the science. They're pissing on sticks all the time to make sure they're in ketosis. Right, and they're talking about how it's going to regenerate their mitochondria. And like, oh, they've gone into the studies and looked at all these reasons why they're doing it. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, there is a lot of good things about it um you know one of the things that is pretty prevalent in the research is uh the the benefits for your brain on it um i thought that was interesting and then like yeah the mitochondria stuff too and like renewing your mitochondria making it stronger and things like that and it's like yeah i mean it might i don't. And it's like, yeah, I mean, it might.

I don't know if it's worth it, though, to be that restrictive for your life. But some people just like eating it. I mean, there's some people who just like the way they feel on it. They like the way they feel on it so much it's worth doing that. But I didn't like the way I felt on it. So that and the restrictiveness on it was enough for me to say, hey, I'm going to try something different. and then what i actually have been doing since then um the arnold got me a little a little off with that that was tough to stick with it but essentially you do kind of a

ketogenic diet during the week they call it the anabolic diet i think it's by dr pascal something like that pascal um guy in the 80s, bodybuilding kind of guru, became popular with the bodybuilders. But you're ketogenic during the week, and then you actually do like carb refeeds on the weekend. And then, you know, you're really strict with your carbohydrate intake, and it doesn't give you enough time to develop that resistance that i talked about you know that insulin resistance so um you know you get to the weekends and you can actually tolerate some carbs you refill your glycogen um you get a break a mental break from it i think

the mental break is where it's where that is probably more valuable than a very strict ketogenic diet because the same thing there because i mean how many times are you gonna go somewhere and not eat the food that's served right you know what i mean and then you're just an asshole yeah i like i went over to a friend's house in sioux city like when i was on this ketogenic diet and they they ordered indian food and i'm like oh you know like i can eat the meat and whatever and like it just came with a boatload of rice like they ordered a shit ton of rice and i'm the dickhead here that's not eating any rice and i'm just eating everyone's meat you know now i am gonna need a triple serving of meat though but you guys can have all the rice if you

like yeah so yes it was restrictive but the anabolic diet uh that that kind of variation of it i like much better where i'm already strict during the week because i cook all my meals or whatever and then i get to the weekend you know some people do like friday night saturday even into sunday and that's how long the refeeds last um i just do mine on Saturday. And then I wake up and I'm like, ooh, it's going to be. I'm going to pancake so hard. Yeah, the mental break is the biggest part of that. But, yeah, like my Saturday workouts then are just the freaking bomb. You know, the glucose is filling back the glycogen in my muscles.

Like I'm getting a pump again. So, you know, all that's pretty awesome stuff that I've kind of gravitated toward that's uh when i can get back on track here um that that's kind of what i think i'll stick with pretty pretty damn low carb during the week and you never had a hard time being low carb you know like you said before you're not like a huge carb guy nope so even so for people that are huge fans of carbs, it's going to, you, you weren't a huge fan of the process with the ketogenic diet. And for somebody that's a big fan of carbs, it may be even more difficult for them than it is for you. And you're already disciplined enough to kind of have your shit unlocked during the week anyway. So my guess

would be, you you know there's something out there for everybody but i do think that if you're just going to try to start doing something you can give it a whirl but i think there's probably more sustainable options that are not going to fucking break you yeah and i think you know you were talking about steering people to something more sensible like i think something that's a little less restrictive, but just much more sensible and responsible would be kind of pushing people towards a paleo diet where you do include something like, you know, maybe some rice and some other carbohydrates like that. Where, you know, you're just kind of eating natural foods. You know, you add in some grains to it. Well, I think for a lot of people it's

all right let's start by going from nine pops a day to three you know what i mean like they're like that's where a lot of the people that are if you're coming in saying well i want to lose some i want to lose some weight i've got 80 pounds of fat to lose i'm gonna do the ketogenic diet it's like well you could and you could make turn a 180 today yeah but let's just start by cutting out half of the soda you're drinking first because that might be we might ease ourself into something you can continue to do otherwise going from eating just dog shit to something strict like the ketogenic diet i think you're just asking yourself to crash you're just going to crash and burn i would guess

yeah i have people that come to me and they're they're asking for you know well how should i time my meals so what should my macronutrient break down what can i look at their what type of protein powder should i be buying i look at their diet plan and like you had like two bags of chips a candy bar and a pop today like well i mean let's fix that first before you start worrying about anything else like yeah something you know people people often major in the minors and you hear that and it that's it's so true with diet stuff it's like and all these people they know you know they know that they shouldn't be eating this like the first thing to always look at is like just cut out the stuff you know it's not good everybody knows the few things you know the pop the sugar beverages the candy the chips and

all that shit just cut that out first you'll probably get a shit ton of results from that and then you can start worrying about the minor things and tweaking stuff and getting your i mean because i do think if you if you hop on that grind and you stick with the ketogenic diet for months and months and months, you'll get the results. I really, I do believe that you'll get the results. The question is, if you hop off it, what habits has that taught you? You know what I mean? Like, are you going to still be able to maintain, you know, if you jump off it, are you just going to go nuts and gain the weight back? Or can you do it for the rest of your life?

Yeah. You know, and most, I would guess most can't. just going to go nuts and gain the weight back or can you do it for the rest of your life you know and most i would guess most can't but i don't think it's a shitty no i think it's effective i think it's good i think everything is there and i don't know much other than what i've read so yeah i think i think if someone wanted to do like a three to five week tune-up like where they just wanted something fast, effective. And maybe it'll clean up your carb sensitivity a little bit. If you're like me and you fucking eat so many carbs, like there's a point where it's probably has a deleterious effect.

Yeah. If you're not a real carb sensitive guy, like if you know you put on fat easy from carbs, like ketogenic diet is I think think, something that's good. You could hit for four weeks. Give your insulin receptors a break. Let them resensitize to glucose and insulin and then gradually add carbs back in there. And, you know, you could be more effective from a nutrient partitioning standpoint,

but you'd also probably lose some fat in the process depending on, you know, how, how fat adapted you were in the first place. Some, some people might take four weeks to drop into ketosis, which would suck, but you know, some people, if you're not suffering, you know, if you, if you eat a fairly, you know, maybe 40% of your, you know, fat intake or 40% of your macronutrients is fat you might drop into it a little bit faster than someone's who's you know say 60 carbohydrates so it would just kind of depend on the person but i think you know there's a lot of people that could be effective for in a short amount of time and then if you know that hey this is four weeks it's gonna suck but you know i'm gonna do it and it's gonna have a lot of future benefits for me i think you know it might

be someone like you you know you've been trying to lose weight or cut fat for how long now you've been at it for several years a couple years yeah yeah so something where it's like i've really been at it for 10 but i didn't do anything about it i didn't i didn't actually do anything about it until the last two i just complained about it for eight years like i don't understand why i keep getting fatter i'm gonna eat seven hot dogs before i go to bed though sounds like a good time so it's something like if you're stalled like you know if you've been doing everything right and you stall and you're like oh shit i need something to like jump start

this process yeah might be something that you could look at doing yeah so in a in the situation like tyler where we have a guy that's heavy into the crossfit community that crossfit life process yeah might be something that you could look at doing yeah so in a in the situation like tyler where we have a guy that's heavy into the crossfit community that crossfit life is this sustainable at that is he going to be having good workouts and feeling good about himself he's not his workouts are going to suffer i'm at a point too where the where like i can and i eat a lot of carbs now but i can directly relate how I perform, especially in like heavy conditioning, you know, like sprint style conditioning workouts where it's just muscle, muscle endurance and suffering. And there's a direct correlation between how I feel

and perform during those and how many carbs I eat. Like if am under-carbohydrated, I feel it fucking every day. If I go really ham on the carbs, I feel better when I train. I feel better. I'm big, so I run out of fucking fuel pretty fucking fast.

I like how you turned carbohydrate into a verb. If I'm under-carbohydrated, you're going to need to get yourself I like how you turned carbohydrate into a verb. You're going to need to get yourself carbohydrate, son. Just like hydrated. Yeah. One of the interesting things that I read is that these endurance guys that move into a ketogenic diet, their performance increases because when you start talking about very like long like long endurance things not crossfit which there's endurance based to it but it's primarily glycolytic

system it's intense mostly yeah so but you know marathoners and especially like these ultra marathoners like when they've had substantial uh endurance improvements from being fat adapted and then like their body just draws on fat stores through that entire thing you know and they're not going at an intense enough pace where they need that glycolytic system they can use fats and they just have like an endless amount to draw from especially since they're all so skinny fat you know yeah i don't know that ultra endurance crap i don't know why anyway i see i see i see some of those so Now, there's some, like Cameron Haynes, he's kind of pretty jacked and does some of that. But I see some of those guys that will show up. There was this Netflix documentary, I don't remember what it was.

There's this crazy ultra marathon trail run where there's not even a fucking trail. And it's fucking crazy. It's like three days long. Probably like 70 miles or something like that. It's worse than that. I think it's like 124 long probably like 70 miles or something it's worse it's worse than that i think it's like 124 miles or some shit like that it's the uh i think it's like the barclays i highly recommend watching it it's like the barclays on netflix yeah it's it's pretty cool but these people are crazy and also not a one of them has a desirable physique

at all like i wouldn't trade bodies with one of them for the fucking world. You know, they're just a bunch of skinny fat guys. And then they all look old, don't they? They all look like they're aged 20 years. Yeah. If you want to look, if you want to look young, definitely don't take up endurance running. I just think running in general,

like if your primary mode of exercise is running, like. You'd better really like running. Because if you got if your primary mode of exercise is running like you'd better really like running because if you got to drag yourself to run the results you get from a physique standpoint from like an aging standpoint from the toll it takes on your body standpoint like why don't you just play tackle football you know like yeah it's crazy. Now, this is technically our 52nd episode. Now, since Tanner's not here, in case you haven't noticed, this is not Tanner. We didn't even do introductions. This is Professor Sean's, ladies and gentlemen.

I could have just pretended to be Tanner and just have all this wild, wicked nutrition information. Tanner took a weekend class. nutrition information for this episode. Tanner took a weekend class. But anyway, so this is our 52nd episode, which normally is where you'd celebrate the year. But we did release, technically, we did release two episodes on our launch date.

Yes. So next year or next week, we'll do the official, official one-year celebration. Well, we need to do two celebrations, one with me, because I'm not going to be here next week. So that's what we're going to do. But anyway, so with Tanner being gone, I did come up with a What's in Tyler's Sack segment. Have we ever looked to see what's in Tyler's sack?

I've never whipped my sack out on this podcast before. You know, I was getting really used to handling Tanner's sack, but this is a good chance for me. It's your lucky day, guys. All right, so I'm going to need you guys all to close your eyes all right do we put our hands out too nope oh just a set of rules even just gotta listen here we go guys okay i'm gonna get the old camera down onto onto your sack where my sack's gonna be all right open them up. So if you're looking at what we've got here,

we have a funny little story about these. These are apparently these and these types of things. These are protein bar samples, not for resale. They're also violations. Yeah, whatever that is, it's a violation. I couldn't quite figure out the marketing scheme behind the violations. What I think it is, I think they're supposed to go through and they put these on the windshields of your cars when you're parked at the Arnold. Oh, really?

Yeah, so you walk up and you're like, motherfucker. And then it says you're supposed to return it to booth 1903 and then you get a sample. Is it a sample of maybe something else? I don't know. There's a sample in it. Yeah, see, that's? I don't know. There's a sample in it. Yeah. See, that's what I couldn't figure out. No, no.

You said you want to get out of this violation, you got to post your ticket on Instagram. But then in the top right corner, return to the booth for a sample. Oh, it does say that. I just couldn't figure it out. I don't know. But anyway. It's awfully confusing. Yeah.

So as we're getting ready to leave the Arnold for the last time, we were finally fed up with it too. We're like, we need to get the fuck out of this building. And there's all the booths kind of start tearing down the last day. And there's this guy with like a shopping cart full of these. It must have been his job to go out into the streets and dump these on people's cars. And he must have run out of cars or something but he just starts setting them out on this table by the exit just hundreds of them and we start grabbing them like one at a time like we're gonna be well we were pulling yeah pull out like two

three pocket for later you're just putting them out there so lots of people can be exposed to your protein bars and try them that's a good idea And so we won two, another one here and there. We put them in our bags, and we just are all sitting there just waiting. And as soon as he gets done, as soon as he leaves the building, we just fucking grab all of them. It was a free-for-all. It wasn't the Ross, the gang leader on that. I think he was the first one over there.

He opened up his drawstring bag and just like a swipe with his entire arm. Started swiping it into his open bag. Yep. An entire bag full. We're going to give him a little shout out, I guess. This is the BSN Synthesix Protein Crisp peanut butter crunch flavor, but they basically are like a Reese's,

like a little Reese's bar type taste with peanut butter on them. Oh, I think they're delicious. And what's their like a little Reese's bar type taste with peanut butter on them. Oh, I think they're delicious. And what's there, like two grams of sugar? Yeah. Like there's almost no sugar in this thing. Yeah, let's take a look. Oh, yeah, three grams of the sugar alcohol, two grams of sugar.

So for being, you know, as far as protein bars go, there's, you know, a couple different ends of the spectrum. There's the Quest bar, which is almost no sugar and tastes like chalk. And then you have your Cliff protein bars, your Gatorade protein bars that have like 25 grams of sugar. It tastes pretty good, but there's also a lot of sugar in there. So if you're concerned about that, that's probably not the best option. As far as protein goes, though, though i mean there's only 10 grams of protein but this is this is the this is the sample size which is half the regular size so the

real deal is double this it is actually okay i was gonna say because this is we're talking like the equivalent of like yeah because this is a one ounce bar so the real deal is the two ounce bar which doubles everything so now you're at 20 grams of protein and what six grams of sugar roughly that's not bad which isn't bad and the flavor i would say tastes way better than what you would expect for expect for six grams i thought it was good tasted like a snack to the point where i actually when i brought these home i was still kind of eating them and then leah had some oh these are really good i like them a lot yeah and then i see here five dollars off protein crisp bar at amazon use coupon called

this i'm like sweet i'm gonna go check out how much a box is hops on amazon and i didn't where do you put in a cube oh when you check out on amazon i suppose but then i was like do you have to buy it from a certain because there's multiple people selling this so it's like there's a lot of a lot of ifs a lot that situation that are not covered. Another flaw in their marketing scheme. Aside from pissing people off right away, like, motherfucking parking ticket. Yeah.

Oh, it's pleasant now. Yeah. That's like running up and arresting somebody and throwing them in the back of a police car and then just being like, Bro, it's a prank. Just kidding, bro. Just kidding, man. You won $5. Fuck. back of a police car and then just being like bro just just just kidding man you won five dollars

but uh but anyway that was our fun little story of uh the biggest thing is we came out ahead because we did not wait in a single line yes so these types of things are my understanding it's basically the reason that 80 of the people go to the arnold to just wait in line to two hours for this stuff. There's so many people that wait in line to get like protein bar samples or a shaker bottle or a t-shirt and lines that there is no fucking way that they know what they're giving out. That's the thing.

There's no way that people in these lines that are 600 people long, that they know what's at the end of that line. Two hours to stand in line and then you had to sign up, you had to give out information for a freaking monster energy drink that one blew my mind like like you could just go work a crappy minimum wage job for the day and still come out ahead on time and money in every situation i think for the risk you could just try to steal one from a gas station you might get lucky um the other thing that's crazy is the people that wait to meet people

is fucking out of control like the rich piano booth was had to be what two and a half hours long yeah and like not to knock the guy but i didn't think people really took his stuff that seriously i thought he was kind of like a youtube joke a little bit. And I've honestly hardly watched any of his things, but I kind of thought the general consensus around him was, well, that's Rich Piana. He does Rich Piana things that don't make sense to anyone else in the world. But after going to the Arnold, his things are admired by hundreds if not thousands of people on an hourly basis.

I don't even – I'm like what are you doing there well I wouldn't wait two hours to meet Arnold at the Arnold like I I just because I know what that meet is hi how are you you know Tyler I'm a big fan nice to meet you train nice to meet you Arnold and you know his job is to simply let's be nice let's take a photo and then let's get on to the next person like like that's it that's where we got lucky with having the camera and microphone is like we got to talk to all those people but because we had a fucking microphone and camera it was an actual like conversation with them yeah which was way sweet but aren't you gonna tell people that you got to shake arnold's hand oh yeah the coolest thing ever. That's kind of a big deal.

Okay. So here's the shaking Arnold's hand story. Now me and Arnold are going on a little vacation together. It's going to be pretty sweet. We're best friends. But how we met. It was magical. We had just got done interviewing.

Who was it? Was it the Thor thing? No, it was later in the day. So I don't even know where we were going. Yeah, we didn't do them until Sunday. Yeah, that was on Sunday. So who knows what was going on Saturday? We were just kind of stuck in a mess there.

We might have been at the Pioneer booth. So we might have been after one of the Strongman deals. Yeah, so we started making our way to the back corner, which is apparently a place you never want to end up in. Yeah, you don't go to the back corner. Stay away from the corner. Not on Saturday. And we get there, and all of a sudden security comes running by.

And I didn't know what security looked like. So to me, it was just there's people. Just guy in polos. Well, there's just this crowd of people. And guys in yellow and camouflage jackets. But it's shoulder-to-shoulder, nuts-to-butts humans everywhere. Anyway, so all of a sudden there's just some guy yelling get the fuck off the carpet you get the fuck everybody off the fucking carpet and he's

screaming and all i could think is get this guy a fucking megaphone so he doesn't have to sound like such a dick you know just be like hey could everybody please get off the carpet everyone can hit you know it'd be wonderful but he's just an asshole and so he's yelling and they start shoving everybody away how i don't know i don't like i don't know where that space came that's the biggest mystery to me is you already couldn't walk because people were like completely gridlocked and all of a sudden they free up like 5 000 square feet of carpet and the way this guy was talking to people and trying to get people to move i thought someone had had a heart attack or like something actually serious was going on.

Like EMTs had to get through or something like that. Which in that case, it would make sense. But that was not the case. No. What was the case was, so we're just walking and all of a sudden, like, we just get shoved into this deal. And then they make one path and then the other path goes right behind me. So I'm standing there on the corner of whatever this deal is you know and if and all of a sudden people started whipping out

their cameras and shit and i was like fucking arnold's coming isn't he and sure as shit it was fucking arnold and you see him coming and and i noticed when i watched the video again arnold wasn't shaking hundreds of people's no he No, he wasn't shaking anyone's hands. He was just moving fast, just like here, here. And so I'm sitting here with my phone, and I still had our Massanomics microphone in my other hand. So I'm just like going to try to record Arnold as he goes by. And all of a sudden, as he gets closer, he keys in on me because I'm on the corner and I'm enormous. And he just like sticks his hand out. And I'm like, oh, fuck.

So I put my fucking phone and microphone in my other hand. And I shake his hand real quick. And then like an idiot, my phone just goes boop, pops up in the air. So I shake his hand and then immediately scramble to catch my phone. And then he goes walking past, turns the corner where Tanner was. And is kind of past Tanner, but Tanner was not having it. He's like, Arnold, Arnold, Arnold. And sure enough, got Arnold to turn around and shake his hand.

So me and Tanner both got to shake Arnold's hand. And I, just by the millisecond, happened to get it on Snapchat. I got you fumbling your phone and everything. Everyone was asking me, like, why did you, like, wipe your hands off as soon as he shook your hand? That's what it looks like. I shook his hand and I went... And I was like, no, no, no, I had to save the old fucking galaxy from hitting the floor.

But it was pretty awesome. But I certainly would not have waited in line for two hours for that. He is kind of like the elusive unicorn of the Arnold. He just randomly makes an appearance and his appearance is basically running from one part of the arnold it was like he just randomly makes an appearance and his appearance is basically running from like one part of the building to another and people go nuts and then for the after that brief moment he's gone yeah they all flock to the area where he's at

and like you're all kind of like peeking over shoulders and like one time we were all in a big line he was coming through in a golf cart and like all of a sudden you just see like the top of his head and he was gone and all these people people were like running towards a golf cart. And all of a sudden you just see the top of his head go, and he was gone. And all these people dispersed. People were running towards this golf cart. I did talk to Big Shane today. And Shane goes, you know what I think I'm going to do? I think next year when we go, I think I'm just going to stand right up over there. Saturday, I'm just going to stay right there the whole time.

And then because eventually he's going to come by. That's as good a plan as any. That's a strong strategy. But I might maybe just shoot his agent an email and see if we can talk to him first. I think Shane needs to get a tan for next year's Arnold. And then he has to do the shirtless posing routine. Now, they were selling the tanning. The bronzer. The bronzing stuff.

There was a booth for it. We could have just bought a jug and lathered him up right before we did it. Hopefully, you guys, I don't know when this is going to come out, but I'm assuming we're going to have some of the videos from the... Arnold will be out at this point. And our content with Shane

is hands down the best. For sure. We had an interview with Shane and we got Shane posing down with the Arnold statue and it is gold. Yeah yeah it's pretty amazing uh the arnold statue in front of the building has as much of a line as some of the fucking oh yeah there was depending on the time of day 100 plus people waiting to take photos with this statue and um you know people do their whatever

they think they got to do which some people it's a selfie. Some people it's a group photo. Some guys need to take their shirt off and go through like a very serious posing routine to like try to prove to the crowd. And, uh, Shane had his opportunity to shine and I thought for sure Shane would go up and maybe do a smile or like a double bicep. And I think that's what he thought he was going to do too. But there was a crowd. And there was a crowd.

I mean, there was a hundred or more people. Oh yeah. Without a doubt. There was a whole line of mountain policemen on their horses behind him. That's right. I forgot about that. And Shane got up there and I had my camera out ready to just snap a few pics. And I was asking about it today and he's like you know i

went up there to just do a pose and you know i figured out i'm up here i gotta do this and he went into the full pumping iron posing routine the facial expressions were the most impressive he was chaining all of them together like you can tell he's trained his whole life for this moment and uh i think i think he even got some decent reactions out of the crowd oh yeah they loved it yeah the crowd the crowd was playing into it and uh he he he looked like a pro out there yep it was fantastic there was and then after that we got we got a sweet interview with shane that is probably the funniest three minutes we've ever produced in our entire lives. I fucking, it took everything I could

to not buckle over and try to pretend to be serious. It was the culmination of his Arnold prep. Yeah. So we won't go into all of the ins and outs of everything that went down at the Arnold because there's just so much of it. But keep your eyes peeled to Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.

And we're just probably going to be so much of it but uh keep your eyes peeled to facebook instagram and youtube and uh we're just probably going to be rolling out arnold stuff for a couple months don't we have to tell the best part of this story though on how what we thought it would be like if he came back the guy came back and he looked he looked at there was absolutely there was like 150 protein bars on that table and he comes back like 30 seconds later after we just walked up and they're all gone there's no one else around it's just us we're all just kind of looking around like we don't know they're falling out of our pockets backpacks all of a sudden that are heavy oh shit but we uh we had an awesome time. I don't know. We really fully embodied our fake it till you make it thing because we just pretended like we fucking knew what we were doing

and that we belonged there, and somehow people were willing to talk to us. Yeah, as a bystander, I didn't participate really in any of the interviews or the footage that Tommy was taking, but just to watch Tyler and Tanner go up there to some of these semi and some of these straight-up celebrity people like The Mountain and just do an off-the-cuff interview, I'm like, that would be extremely intimidating, and I would be terrible at it, but they freaking rocked it,

and I was super impressed. It's also one of those things, though, where I wanted the interviews to be better, for sure. I wanted to have better questions more fun questions and stuff but here's what i didn't do when we went to before we went to the i didn't go you know when i'm interviewing the mountain yeah what am i gonna ask you here's the three great questions i need to have like yeah because we didn't plan on meeting anyone funny no it was just like i'm gonna go around and then all of a sudden we're just walking by the booth and it's like there's fucking four oh fuck so i was like get the equipment turn it on so i can

make it fast not be inconvenient and just get up to him and be like hey dude you want to do a couple minutes on camera and he was like everybody at the sbd booth was like basically no and he's like okay and so i did it while everybody else at the booth was just like, get them the fuck out of here. Get them the fuck out of here. It was pretty immediately obvious, dude. Was it like a three-minute long interview? At the most. I think running time on my camera is like two minutes and 15 seconds.

Every 30 seconds, like the guy who was managing the booth, obviously, and like some of the other people in the booth kept just inching in closer and closer. Somebody all of a sudden gets behind Tommy and is watching the footage. I was just waiting for them to just slap the camera out of my hands. When you see that interview, you're going to see a look on my face the whole time where I was not comprehending what he was saying, not thinking about what I was going to say next the whole time. I'm just going, how in the fuck did this happen? And looking back on that whole situation, you know, I think what made it fun and what kind of the luxury we had is that first of all, we didn't plan on any of it. So every single, if we got one interview, that was one more interview than what we kind of planned on. So everything was really a bonus.

And then the biggest thing is if things didn't go according to plan, we're just letting down ourselves. It's not like we have a job and an employer and all this stuff on the line. So it was just, let's have fun, see what happens. And when you have those types of situations, some pretty cool things can happen. But aside from the just overall toll that trip took on us yeah lack of sleep and the millions of miles walked i mean it was it was a win-win-win

all the way around i also don't know when in the planning it started as we should go to the arnold because that'd be cool and then it was like well we should do some massonomics things at the arnold and then it turned into should we let's see if we can get media credentials for this it almost was like a business and then it turned and then it and then it turned into like we're just going to hustle around and try to interview people the whole weekend and try to get cool footage of the things and pictures and all stuff I don't know how it turned into that but I'm glad it did yeah because I think it made it way more fun because if we'd have gone without all that stuff and we'd have been waiting in line it would have been hi so and so take a picture and those pictures would have been cool but the return from actually having to getting to interview these people and just thinking about like our

activity level while we were there um you know obviously at the strongman we were kind of parked there for one to two hours depending on how long the events were going but one of the few times i can think where we were really just sitting hanging out is at one point we went over to the uh i think it was a usa pl meet going on we sat there we were just kind of taking it in and again weren't even there five minutes it's like holy crap it's blaine sumner let's go and then after that we're right back to what we're doing just like well i guess we have to interview blaine sumner now and tanner's sitting there and i was like well you you you know tanner you are way more familiar with blaine's stuff than i and and i was like you have to do this one which means you have to go

interrupt whatever he's doing and ask him and that was the crazy part is i'm like we can't so he's like sitting here with his wife uh you know kind of like watching things taking it in and i i thought for sure if someone's gonna say no at any time it would be then like no bro i'm trying to just chill and hang out i set three world records yesterday leave me alone i swatted 1100 and some goddamn pounds yesterday and his answer was yeah cool let's do it and it's like we have to leave it wasn't even like we can do this on the spot like we had to go to a different area we had to interrupt him and he was cool with it so so props to blaine people were way more generous with their time than i would have expected yep we tried to be as respectful of it as possible

and that was also it was you could see the reaction happen with every single person where got that microphone it's right there on the right there on the deal if you're uh if you're watching yep yeah everybody needs a massonomics mic it's like it's like a little heavier than i am it's pretty robust it's a nice i just thought it was like a cardboard piece like is that a real microphone it's a fake microphone just a prop but you could see the reaction happen in everyone you know just some random person taps someone on the shoulder says their name and a lot of times they turn around like who's who's messing with me what's or they just are gonna all right their name, and a lot of times they turn around like, who's messing with me? What's going on? Or they just are going to, all right, I'm going to take a picture of this guy.

And then all of a sudden you say like, hey, I want to ask you a few questions. Can I get on camera for a couple minutes? And it's just like instantly, they're just like, yeah, let's do it. Everyone was super cool about it. And then the people are like, we're just four fucking idiots

running around with a microphone there and a camera. But it's like, as soon as we pulled out the camera and the microphone and whoever we stopped, like people gathered around like, Ooh, this must be important. There's another one of those interviews going on again. What I wanted to, I wanted to like, hand me that microphone. I wanted to like get done interviewing anybody and just wrap it up in front of the middle of the crowd and just be like, this is CNN.

But no, it was awesome we're gonna have shit to talk about in that thing for a really long time i'm sure actually you're probably gonna hear the same stories from us from tanner's perspective dozens of times yeah i was saying next week probably the week after that and the week after that probably until arnold 2018 big sh Shane takes the title from Cedric McMillan. You might have to get Shane on podcast just so he could run through what was going through his mind as he was doing the routine. And we're going to let Shane explain the croissan'wich fiasco when he comes on next time. But that's going to be our hour for today, guys. Thanks a lot for listening. This is the ketosis episode or the ketogenic diet episode.

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Because it's not coming out in the local news anymore. Facebook's almost too much social media for me. I just don't know if I could keep up with Instagram instagram is a much more condensed version of facebook i have a feeling you may not mess with facebook as much if you got instagram because it's just it's just pictures and videos so just sure nobody has to like nobody's on there like being fucking assholes like people are on facebook if one person listening to this podcast sends out a request for a Professor Sean's Instagram, I'll do it. And put that request in an iTunes review.

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