Massenomics Podcast - Ep. 55: Do I Need a Coach?

Episode Date: April 24, 2017

This week, we cover the topic of coaching... Do you think you've reached a certain level of intermediate-ness that will require some individual coaching take you to the next level? Tune in to find out how Tommy has tried to sort through the endless amount of online coaching options and what criteria he uses when choosing a new coach or program. As always, you can watch this episode in full color video... Or check out the super-high quality audio version below.. If you don't already have a closet full of Massenomics gear, go to the MASSENOMICS STORE and load up on swag... Also, please CLICK THIS LINK TO GIVE US A 5 STAR RATING ON ITUNES... Click this text to follow Massenomics on Instagram... Vote Massenomics for President in 2020.. Have your barber shave our logo into the side of your head.. Maybe get a Massenomics tattoo while you're at it.    Or you could sign up for our email newsletter at the bottom of this page. Stay Strong, M

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Is it 55 already? Yeah, 55. 55, 56. All right. So episode 55. Today we're going to talk about a lot of really, really serious and important things. Let's get serious. It's time to get serious.

Today we're going to talk about what some of these guys have been doing after a competition. We have, I don't know how many guys have kind of switched up their, probably everybody from the meet. I mean, I think everyone in some ways doing something a little different than they were probably a month ago, but I think that's kind of across the board for. And what is the, what is the reason for switching your training up post meet? Well, for me, I mean, there's a lot of reasons for it. For me personally, the biggest one is that I have been running that Jackals like eight-week program for like over a year straight. I think even in their thing on their website, they say we recommend running this for like two to three cycles.

And the fact that I've been doing it for, I don't know, how many eight weeks are in a year? Math experts? I don't know. Like 20 or 30 or, I don't know, how many eight weeks or a year? Math experts? I don't know. Like 20 or 30? I don't know, like six? Either way. Six and a half.

It's an eight-week program that just got ran again and again and again. You've probably done it like 15 times. Oh, yeah, and I can't complain about the results at all. It did wonders for me, but there just comes a point when it's like I've been doing kind of the same rep scheme of five by five or five by three for a really long time and more or less the exact same exercises. So it's like, you know what? There's nothing coming up and the gym is all about having fun and doing something different

is fun once in a while. So this week for sure for me was a big change as far as, well, first of all, I just went in. This was the first time in so long that I went to the gym with no plans at all. Like, oh, we'll just do whatever. And that one mentally has been really confusing for me because to not go in and have like a very specific goal for the day, it almost feels like I'm like, what am I doing wasting my time here? Like, it's like I feel like I have no reason to live, no reason to be there, which is, it's dumb. It's like, you know, it's have fun and go do your thing, but it's such a different mindset

than. When it's not five sets of five with 75. Yeah. And like, I know like on light days when it's easy, I know that this is a light day because a heavy day is coming. So like take advantage of it on a heavy day. It's like, these are the days that make or break you, and so you better have your stuff together.

And so now just to be kind of like, hey, this is a day, and that's it. Just sticking around. It's a way different mindset. And so, like I said, though, it is good. And I think kind of everyone has it. A lot of people probably refer to it as the pulse meat blues, like what's next or what now. But I think now the focus is just kind of on having fun and doing some different things and kind of seeing where that goes.

So have you settled upon anything right now? So I still haven't settled on any programming. And I need to really figure that out in the next week because I don't know what my programming is going to be. As of right now, my programming is just doing some higher reps. Like last week when I went in, I hadn't done sumo in a really long time. And it's like, you know what? It'd be fun to do sumo. I'm sure there's some muscles that are being neglected there.

And Corey kind of worked through it with me because he probably technique-wise has spent more time on it than anyone else in the gym. And we kind of worked through some things there. And it was a lot of fun. It's like, hey, I'm kind of learning something again. This has been a while. With powerlifting being three things, you usually aren't learning anything too groundbreaking. I mean, there might be a little point your toes this way or do this. But as far as learning a completely new exercise or redoing an exercise, that doesn't happen too often.

So I worked that, and I too often. So work that. And, uh, I was, I was decently sore from that. Um, you know, as I would expect, you know, when you go to sumo, uh, you kind of feel it more like almost like your groin area and your butt a little more too. Even my quads felt a little bit, but nothing too bad. Uh, Wednesday hit and I just kind of had just, I just did a bench day. Uh, I moved my grip out a little bit more just to try something different again there too. So that wasn't anything too crazy. But then Friday came, and Friday was squat day. And Ryan, maybe we need to talk about that more,

but Ryan and Kevin are doing these 10 sets of 10 at roughly like a 40% of their one rep max or something, 45%, which is a crazy amount of sets. And I don't want to go into that many reps. Like that's just an insane amount. Because they're doing like, is it what, juggernaut, like hypertrophy? It's just like a program Matt Vincent had put in. Kind of a program they had on juggernaut. Yeah.

10 sets of 10 is kind of also referred to as German volume training. Oh, is it? Yeah. Like if you do 10 sets of 10, that of also referred to as german volume training oh is it yeah like if you do 10 sets of 10 that's kind of what i don't i don't know the origins of that but they call it german volume training yeah that's that's like ridiculous to me it's just it seems like just a shit factory as far as i'm concerned yeah but i i went and uh i just went with uh i did uh six sets of eight at my working at my working set of like 275.

So, you know, nothing too bad. I thought, nah, this will be fine. And just because I am in the mood of changing things up, I threw on the raised heel shoes too. And those felt way better than they had in the past. So I don't know if something's changing. I'm a growing boy. There's something changing in my body.

But they felt good this time. I don't know what's happening there. So, um, going with it and, uh, you know, sets of 275, like that's never a strength issue. And so it, it did start to be a thing where it's just like, oh, okay. Like I'm getting kind of tired doing these and, you know, you get through all of them and it was just, you know, as that goes, I guess that you get fatigued more than your muscles are getting like really worked. And then yesterday came around and I was like, oh, I guess that you get fatigued more than your muscles are getting like really worked. And then yesterday came around and I was like, Oh, I'm kind of sore today. And, um, like went out last night and it wasn't too crazy of a night or anything, but this morning I woke

up and it felt like someone had held me down and like beat my legs with a bat. Like, like, like someone was like pulled this crazy prank on me and was just punishing me. And I have never felt the soreness in my life. And it's not like I've had soreness after a heavy squat day, after a heavy deadlift day where it's kind of in your back. It's sort of in your butt, like your hammies, your quads. Like you're kind of like, yeah, my body's sore. your quads like you're kind of like yeah my body's sore but this is like my quads from an inch above my knee to like about my hip is just like raw meat and i don't know what that is it's i've never felt this and it is serious pain like i can just touching these things hurt them so i don't know

what's going on but it is it's scary yeah we there's quite a few guys you know like we said that are doing the higher volume stuff and kind of going through the same thing right now too because it is a different soreness. Like if you go do a super heavy squat workout where you're doing like singles, doubles, or triples or something, like you said, like you can feel kind of crushed from that for a couple days and just like beat down. But that higher volume stuff, like the actual soreness of the specific muscles, you can like literally touch your, just like you said, your quad. And it's just completely crazy. Like it's so it's much,

it's, it's funny how different it is between the two, the soreness. Like it is, it is. And I think what's probably playing into this quite a bit is the fact that when you look at my last month of training, so last week I didn't do anything. I took a week off from the gym. It had been months and months since that happened. So a mental, physical break, nothing. The week before that was the meet. And the week of a meet, you're not really doing anything. You're basically going to the gym just to stay moving.

So don't really count that as a week of training either. The week before that, my reps were, you know, like heavy singles, doubles, triples. So the volume was almost non-existent. So there was very little volume there. And then when you go back the week before that, I mean, there still wasn't much volume, but we're looking at almost a month ago, the last time that I trained anything with any type of like rep scheme to it. So that definitely is playing a part in it where when you just go from kind of nothing to a lot of reps that you're you're really throwing your body for a loop all of a sudden yeah now how's how's ryan been doing with his 10 sets of 10 i've heard heard him and Kevin both say things like, it was yesterday actually, Kevin was like, sitting down just sucks. And we were hitting up a few different places in town and

hopping into Ryan's car and it's like, the seat feels like it's way, way too low. It's a long ways down to get there. And I think they're both feeling a little bit i don't think ryan was too fatigued like from his uh deadlift day um yeah he didn't really seem to say that that one was too bad but then the bench and the the bench and the squat day both uh took a toll on him he said that sounds horrendous yeah yeah it's good to do though i mean i think in the long run someone like him especially on a lift like bench where he you know he's maybe struggled more to make progress something like that really high volume i think in the long run might help add a little

muscle size and improve his leverages a little bit yeah yeah and you know we're the other thing is we're so far out from a meet like yeah what's the point what's the you know the whole point of the gym is to have fun right we're doing this because we have fun not because you make crazy amounts of money and have fame and notoriety it's like that's not i mean we we do do all of those yeah that's not why we do it it's like it's you mean the money and fame and women yeah That's not why. It's just a byproduct of the fun. But, you know, it's like if you can't get in there and, like, change things up and have some fun with it and do whatever, like, that is the whole point of it. Because if you just keep going on the same grind forever, no matter how disciplined or how focused you are on it, that gets tough for anyone to continue to maintain. It does.

And you're probably opening yourself up for injury and stuff too. Yeah, for sure. So, you know, a time of change is always good. Plus, I think just by changing it in general, like for you where you've been on the exact same program, just progressing it for a year, it's kind of probably a really good thing to just throw a lot of variety. Yeah, get like a new stimulus because at some point

what are you adapting to right now you're adapt you know up until this point you've been adapting to the same stimulus for a really long time and i don't know literally anything about the science behind any of this but i would just assume it just makes sense though yeah just like doing something you don't have to know the science is probably like going to be the key to maybe taking some extra steps forward. And it doesn't mean like in a year's time you have to do something different every week that you're there. But just like you, we're at the extremes of it, like where you're, you're doing the same thing for a long time and it's like, it's working and you're making progress. But then that does warrant doing something different for a while. Yeah.

And you know, a change can even be something as like, you can literally do the same exercises, but the change could just be a different rep scheme and that can have, you know, big results right there. For sure. Um,

you know, Tanner, you were talking to what, what have you been doing? Yeah. Since we finished the strongman competition, I also haven't been, you know,

I typically prepping for your bodybuilding. Right. Yeah. Me and Shane arepping for your bodybuilding career with Shane. Me and Shane are going to pose down on the Arnold statue pretty hard next year. But kind of the same thing. You know, I had been doing the jackals program for, you know, I've been mostly doing that for a very long time also. So I'm not doing programming right now. I'm still doing those lifts on pretty much those days, but I'm just changing the rep scheme or kind of just doing whatever I want to. But that is the biggest thing.

When it's Friday, I know I'm going to squat that day, so I'll be thinking about it during the day. If you're on a program, I'm thinking, okay, I got five sets of five at 80%. This is going to be a real motherfucker. But even though I'm kind of doing whatever I feel like, I still almost have to decide what that is that I feel like before I get in there. I can't just start going and be like... It's tough to just leave it up to them. Because you can talk yourself in or out of a lot up right because it's too easy to quit in or out of

a lot of things that it's too easy to not do like even if you're trying to do well you could either you could do too much or too little right right very easily just by like yeah i feel like i don't know or maybe that i am taking a little longer fuck it i'm out of here yeah you know so that exact or just like well this is squatting and this sucks and i guess like it kind of always sucks so i'm gonna stop now yeah like well i just did three sets pretty hard why do i have to do a fourth yeah you know like what's that gonna do for me there's something weird about having like that roadmap basically kind of guiding you to where you need to be so that's what i do every day then now like i just think about it that day what i plan is like two weeks ago on squats i just did three sets of 10 and I kind of had picked out my, you know,

a percentage that made sense to me. And then this week I did more of a pyramid and I use chains when I squatted. And then next week, I don't know yet, you know, but that's, that's kind of what I'm doing for now. Yeah. And this kind of also brings up the interesting point of just programming in general. And it probably is the most important factor in your training more than anything else.

It's more than, you know, probably more important than nutrition, probably more important than recovery, probably more important than your supplements you're taking, more than anything. And it's probably one of the most overlooked parts because it's not glamorous in any way. And it's boring and not really that exciting. But it is getting to a point where it's like is coaching a viable option like do i turn the programming over to someone else and i have spent a decent amount of time looking around online and there are a lot of options with that and there are literally there's 500 000 yeah there's a lot of people that are experts and what does it take to be an expert? You put the word in your title.

And so it's really hard to, you know, kind of figure out what is the best way to go with this. I mean, there's people out there with literally no actual one-on-one coaching experience offering online coaching experience. I think we're in a position where we kind of know enough people and know how to kind of cut through the crap and kind of see what's real. But if you don't. I can see in a hurry with this is if you don't know, man, it would be so easy to get signed up for some terrible coaching, terrible services. But part of it too, though, is like, I think that it just, whatever program you do, if you're showing up and you're doing it, you may get some sort of result too. Yeah, yeah. Not that, like, those people that don't know what they're doing should be doing that.

But, like, that, like, you may just get tricked anyways. Like, I think good coaching is worth the money hands down for sure um but what's the difference between the middle and bottom is probably not and there's always gonna be that placebo effect too where if someone gives you almost any programming and you're somewhat new and you believe in it and you think it's the right thing it's probably going to do something and you're paying money for it you're gonna be like well i gotta show up today you know i do think like we have a lot of guys that are at a certain intermediate threshold like that they've crossed and that's another very interesting thing is how many people are like following into this like if you charted out like people's uh you know strength on a chart how many

people are starting to fall into this tight grouping. Right. It's pretty interesting how that's actually happening like that. And that's a level where I think, uh, the paid coaching programming starts to make more and more sense. Like at a more, you know, I think, uh, maybe someone getting into it, that's when they think they need the coaching the most is like just starting but i almost think then that's when you can take five three one jackals in uh five but just a five by five program where you do five by five like every week yeah and for a while and just do that just keep doing that but when you get it to a point where you know we've got a lot of guys that have done three four power lifting meets they've progressed hundreds of pounds over three three years you know and it's like kind of getting to a level where they could benefit from coaching hold on a second i gotta

i'm gonna turn down my mic while i yell at my dog fletch go it out get out of here get out of here fletch you're making it hard to concentrate about here at massonomics we have a massive dog and he is always in the fucking way. But yeah, no, I would say I definitely agree that like early on, actually, you could probably get away with no coaching for sure. And that's the deal. Maybe just technique coaching. I would say at that point, it's technique more than anything.

But even then, at that point, I don't think like remote coaching then is of any use to you because what you do need is somebody to like watch you watch you do it and correct you which is kind of the good thing about massonomics is that there's no one there that's just going to be like do this and completely steer you in the wrong path so that technique you know as far as you know beginner to intermediate it there's tons of coaching there um i kind of even lost but but. But we don't have a lot of guys that are expertise programmers. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. We don't have guys that, you know, we have a lot of guys that are pretty,

I don't know, expert technically or like at least advanced, you know, understand technique very well. Yeah, I would say there's a lot of guys here that have technique, better technique than a lot of, you know, like top-level people you see. Right, right. But that's not, technique isn't the only thing. It's only one piece of the puzzle. Right.

But programming-wise, none of us understand the ins and outs of peaking for a meet really yet at this point. Yeah, we're still kind of winging it. I mean, we understand the very basics, but that and just, when you start to look at these coaching, you see that they're so. Fletcher, get out of here. Go lay down. Fletcher.

Hiding under the table. Hiding under the table that he can't even fit under. You need to get out of here. Go lay down. Fletcher. Hiding under the table. Hiding under the table that he can't even fit under. You need to get out of here, buddy. Go lay down. I'm telling mom. Go lay down. There was a cat that ran by, Fletch. Look at the cat.

Oh, man. He is just on my shit list. All right, fine. Whatever. He's laying down now. That's fine. So then when it the other thing when it comes to coaching is there are so many different methods programs and ways to get strong

and there really is no one best one i mean you could you could look at uh maybe the the pedigree or the the success stories of who are behind certain programs but that exists with anyone so then it's like well what programming do you go with there's there's i don't even know the name or the success stories of who are behind certain programs, but that exists with anyone. So then it's like, well, what programming do you go with? There's, I don't even know the name. I don't even understand half of it. And I think if you say that there's, if there's a thousand programs out there, a thousand of those are probably effective

and maybe 500 of them will actually be maybe ideally effective for you. And then there's maybe a hundred of those that might be a little bit better than the other, that 400. Um, and then that's, I mean, that's it. Like, I don't think that there's any one thing that's just like, this is the one guys. Right. Right.

Because if it was everybody be doing it. Yeah. It's yeah. And it's just at the point where it's like i just want someone to just say here do this like hold my hand take me through it yeah like i don't have to have any mental expense into thinking like you're just lifting yeah like just just tell me what to do and i'll do it and make it happen so that's why i'm thinking like coaching is probably on the horizon for me and then even within coaching there's so many different levels that you can pay for of that yeah there's there's the there's

weekly check-ins there's People just give you a program. There's monthly check-ins. I mean, there's all types of stuff available with that. And I'm assuming what you're going to do is you're just going to go with the first person that you saw on Instagram offering up personal coaching. Yeah, I was just going to go on the Discover page and type in hashtag coaching and just see who comes up.

And they're probably the best because they have the most followers. How many do you suppose you see in one day in your Instagram news feed people that are offering coaching? Everyone I follow offers coaching. Not just powerlifting either. Like whether it's powerlifting or bodybuilding or whatever, literally everybody does. And not that they're all crooks but everybody does it uh-huh yeah and we were talking about this too is i i think something that a lot of people don't put consideration into is the coach like who who they're really taking the coaching from like um you know just because someone's a world record

holder doesn't necessarily mean they're a good coach you know it's if anything they're probably a bad coach because they've it's things have come more natural for them they've figured out how things work best for their body not necessarily other people's body and well yeah i mean it's like it's you know how how good of a football player do you think bill belichick is exactly yeah i mean like he's not the guy you want fucking playing. Yeah, and I think I, like, it was maybe, like, on a strength athlete podcast or something like that, they were talking, like, you know,

the thing to remember is it doesn't, you don't have to be strong to be a good coach. And, you know, that's really obvious when you look at other sports and professions, like you said, with Bill Belichick and, like... Every sport. Yeah. Every sport. A lot of times the best coaches, and I think you could probably find a lot of facts to back this up,

but some of the best coaches were average players at best. And there's always that issue when you do have somebody who is, like how often is there a Hall of Fame player who tries to coach in the NFL and it does not go well? Or even in basketball too. Almost always it does not go or even in basketball too like almost always it doesn't go well yeah i mean like basically yeah you're i mean the odds of being an exceptional player and an exceptional coach are just very slim because they're two different they're two different machines yeah also if you're an exception like a transcendently

exceptional athlete you're not going to uh understand how to like why do i have to motivate this person yeah because if you're that good you were just self-motivated i just always made my shots like kobe bryant probably just does his thing and his tip is you just do that like could you like i'm dead serious i would be willing to bet that if michael jordan actually like was a coach it'd be fucking terrible yeah you know what I mean he'd be like well you just have to want it more and make your shots yeah he probably has kind of like these zen insights as to like well do this and this will happen but like as far as like helping someone get through the steps and getting them there he it probably

can't and I think that could you could make that comparison pretty easy, easily to power lifting too. Yeah. So, yeah. And then we were talking about that. The gym is like, I think a lot of people get stuck on that is I saw X, Y,

Z person deadlift. Well, he deadlifts 800 pounds. He can get me to deadlift more. They're my coach. And it's like, well, you know,

like pay attention to like how many people has this guy helped? Like, are they on performance enhancing drugs? Because their programming is probably a little different than yours if you're natural too like that's that's seriously something to consider too because they're i mean that's extremely important yeah you are kind of on a different rule set at this point like for sure your recovery is i mean scientifically your recovery is so much better at that point and i would say program differently and i would say at that point you're

you're basically programming for a totally different sport you know what i mean like like that's a different that's a totally different ball game then yeah um so tommy what have you i mean i know that you've probably done a lot of leg work with this process actually more than you probably put more time into it than you want to admit but what do you have anything narrowed down as far as what you've considered so i I actually, you are right. I have spent kind of a lot of time looking at this and just gotten more and more confused and kind of frustrated. It's a nasty rabbit hole. It really is. Uh, the thing that's really interested me the most, and, uh, it's a, it's a way different way of thinking. It's kind of this RPE training. Um, you see, I think it's a it's a way different way of thinking it's kind of this rpe training um you see i think it's

becoming more popular you see a lot of guys doing it i never really understood the process right away a super quick overview for people that maybe are familiar with it is rpc rpe is rate of preserved rate of perceived exertion oh i think i've even maybe heard people say rate of perceived effort too, maybe. Those are dummy people. Yeah. It's basically giving your lifts like a rating of how hard they are, like a difficult, like, you know, 10 being like an absolute grinder, nothing left in the tank. An RP of nine would be, you know, you could probably do one more.

RP of eight, probably do two more. And it's this whole programming thing of auto-regulation where they might tell you to work up to a certain RPE for the day. So I think everyone can kind of remember that at a time in their training where, you know, the programming might've told you to do a certain thing and you felt really, really good. Like you could have done more, but the programming didn't say it. So you didn't do it. And I know I've been guilty of that. Like I, I will follow exactly what a program says, no matter what. So on days where I've like had to maybe work up to a heavy bench single and just smoked it. And I know there's way more in the tank, but I don't do it.

And, you know, because of that, I've, I've maybe left some PRS out there at times. Um, and there's also been days where I'm, you know, winners are harsh around here. You get kind of sick. You can get run down for a week or two pretty easy and you just grind through it. And all you're probably doing is making yourself stay sick longer. Yeah. So you, you get all the reps, but you're still like, it's just like, it's like a suicide mission. Like I'm going to get this, but I will be dead. And so, but it's on the program, so I'm going to do it. Yeah. And so what RPE does is it kind of helps with that process of

days where you're feeling good uh you know you might you can probably push it more and days where you're not feeling good you're not pushing it as much and because people say like one of the biggest variables going into any training day is your uh is like an athlete's preparedness and if you're sick super stressed at work relationships whatever your level of preparedness is going to be down. So RPE does help with that. And to go into the coaching, I know the strength athlete, they have kind of a great pedigree of people they've coached. They have world champions on their team or at least national champions, world competitors on their team.

I think it's like really thorough professional from what I've looked into there. I've been impressed. I've also seen like Mike Tashir, kind of the pioneer of this whole rpe training he has what's his company like our rts i think reactive training systems i believe is what that is and then the same thing garrett blevins uh you know he just broke all these records world records at the arnold he at the 231 he broke the squat record he broke the squat record, he broke the bench record, and he broke the total record, which is a pretty good day. We watched him.

Yeah, we saw him. Was it just you and I were there? It could have been. We saw him do his second attempt squat, which was like 705, and he smoked it. It was like, dang. And then we didn't see the rest of it. I didn't really know what was going on at the time.

But if you watch, he went on, I think, to like a 731, and it was a harder rep. But, man, like that guy really killed it that day. And his whole thing is he's into this DUP, Daily Ungelating Periodization, and with RPs built into there. And so he has his own blessed coaching as his where it's like Blevins. There's a couple different guys. And they all have their different options. The biggest one that I'm seeing that probably the jump that you need to take from going kind of where I'm at, kind of at this intermediate level to the next level is currently I train three days a week.

And a lot of these programs are built for four days a week. So that will be a big difference if i'm ever going to make that jump that's probably going to have to happen well that's like a life difference it is really it is because you're used you lift basically on monday wednesday and friday yeah so it's like changing that up now it's probably gonna be like a monday tuesday thursday friday or you know whenever it can fit so uh just another thing to keep in mind there is just fortunately with you uh not having any children oh yeah absolutely it's just how much it interferes into my own personal free

time is really the biggest thing i mean i know you're really hoping to get a lot of skiing done at the lake this summer yeah it's that and that's the other thing is i have this conflicting season coming up where you do more other things but but last year you know with winter or with summertime i still made it to the gym just as much as ever so it's yeah it's not too much of it's not like you're not going to be there but no matter what even winter or summer whatever like it's a big difference to go four days versus three days you know yeah it is a difference yeah yeah so once again coaching programming styles there's a thousand things to pick from. So any, like, can you generalize it?

Like how much does it cost? I mean, obviously there's so many different things. From what I've seen, it's kind of interesting because like the Blessed one, if I remember correctly, they have like a, they want, they have like a 24 week cycle they want to run you through, which is, you know, a half a year. Like that's, that's, that's a big commitment to, to think that you're going to go on to something like that. And I want to say that's like, you pay, I think in six week blocks, I'm assuming that you're probably worked through your programming six week blocks. And I don't remember if that's like, how was it? 80 bucks or 60 bucks for six weeks. I can't, I can't remember what it was. It was somewhere. It wasn't a whole lot more than. than it's probably like so it's probably about 600 bucks for a year yeah it was right in that area yeah or 40 ish a month i would often think about what it is a month so yeah and that's reasonable

yeah yeah i don't i don't think i i mean even even really uh when you think about it 100 bucks a month to get like personalized coaching from top level people isn't that bad in the scheme of things you know the only way it's bad is if you're like if you're getting took yeah yeah that's the way it's bad yeah yeah but to say that you could have i mean these are as close to professionals professional powerlifting as it gets like to think that you could have a professional basketball player help you with your jump shot for a hundred dollars a month a lot of people would jump on that in a hurry yeah you know so in the scheme of things it, it's really not that bad. Um, but there's, there's different things, you know, like I know the strength athlete, they have, they can get like the super customized,

like weekly check-ins where, you know, you're, you're consulting with one of their coaches over a Skype call weekly, they'll review form, like they require you to take video. And, um, I think something like that, I think that's like call. You got to call for pricing or, you know, get a contact them to get the pricing. But they also have customized programming where they'll talk to you, kind of see what you're doing, where you're at in your, you know, prepping for a meet, kind of off season, wherever you're at. And they'll create some programming for you. And I want to say that is, I don't know, 200 bucks. I can't remember now.

This was about a week ago when I was looking at all these and there's so many. But really, I think it's pretty reasonable when you consider what you're getting for the stuff. But yeah, there's the options with, and then they also, pretty much all of them also offer like one-on-one just are a one-time consultation too. You know, if there is like, I'm struggling with my deadlift, you can set up like a Skype call where for an hour you can talk about nothing but your deadlift and things that you need to change. So that's kind of a cool option too for people that think they need something like that. I would think too that you would just definitely want to have some sort of option there where

there's some like video of you yeah and i think back and forth i think it's not all of your lifts like i think you would want to at least be able to submit a couple sets that maybe you have questions about right every week you know because i because it's not just black and white yeah because just just moving and moving the way it is is one thing and the program is but like if you're paying for coaching, you should pay for coaching, not just the program. Yeah. And I think most of those do come with, there's ranges on it, but the pretty standard one is like you submit a video every week where you review it with the coach. And I don't know if it's like one set or several exercises or what it is, but that is a pretty standard part of it too.

So starting as of right now at this moment, Massanomics now offers coaching. It's $1,000 a month, but we're really good and stuff. Yeah. And for $1,000 a month, you can send us all the videos unless it gets weird, and then we're going to send those videos to Dan Bell. It's all the weird ones. But yeah,000 a month. You can send us all the videos unless it gets weird. And then we're going to send those videos to Dan Bell. And, uh, it's all the weird ones, but yeah, that's interesting.

I, I'm not good enough at anything to, to really be worrying about, about that, but I did switch. Um, I was doing some, uh, really just kind of some free for all shit between the Arnold and strong man stuff. I was just kind of plugging in my lifts on the days and still getting it in, but I wasn't running, just running a program. Um, so I've settled on, I started this last week. The, uh, it's a variation of the cube cube method program.

And the cube is Brandon Lilly. Yeah. Yeah. And this, so this was, uh, basically I just, for me, I was like, well, I want something that it's going to be easy for me to process. Like, like, so this one, I just found like an app. I was like, Oh, well that's good. I don't have to do a bunch of shit. That's a huge advantage. And then, and then I, but I went through all this shit and I ended up just finding that that was one that looked like I would enjoy doing it. And that was kind of the kicker there. It was like,

well, fuck, I don't know. It looks like some workouts like I would enjoy doing it. And that was kind of the kicker there. It was like, well, fuck, I don't know. It looks like some workouts that I would like to do. Let's start there. Well, it makes a difference if you actually enjoy it. And that's another thing I saw pop up a lot is like, just like a diet and programming, like what's the best diet? What's the best programming? It's like, it's the one that works with you and your lifestyle.

And it's the one that you'll do. And I think a good coach will realize that too. It's like, it's the one that works with you with your lifestyle, you know? Yeah. And it's the one that you'll do. Yeah. Yeah. And I think a good coach will realize that too. Like if, if, if they're just black and white on things like this is my program, this is what you do, that you're probably not going to have a lot of success with it if, if they're not giving that feedback back to you. No.

And I bet if, if you were even like, I can only, you know, if you were like really dogmatic about it and you, you said, I only am going to lift three days a week, like a good coach, they might say, that's not the ideal scenario of how we can get you the strongest, but like, here's what I can lay out to fit what you're going to be able to do. Like, I'm sure there's options like that out there for people that are constrained by some of those things. Yeah. for people that are constrained by some of those things. Yeah.

Yeah. So coaching. So coaching. So coaching's a big deal. A lot of people that join Massanomics Gym, you know, new to lifting, kind of ask about, we'll ask about coaching or, you know, if we do that. And I always say the same thing. You know, we don't, no, we don't do any coaching. You know, no one here is a personal trainer.

Like, you're not going to get that here. But it's easiest to give someone the Jackals program because so many people in the gym have done it and understand it. That, like, if you just get on this and just come to the gym at any time when other people are around, you're going to be able to get coaching from a lot of different sources yeah if you have a question or something feels weird you should there's gonna be five guys there that can just yeah have been through that same situation right know where you're coming from which is really good coaching actually like that's yeah that you know for some people that might not work like they might need more of a

more guidance than that. But like, if you can be a little bit self-started, that works out really well. I think you kind of learned the, the, like the feedback of understanding your own body too. You know, it's, uh, you know, when things, whether it's like things hurt because something's going on or things hurt just because you're pushing it that day. So being able to understand that is a huge part in the beginning is, you know, understand what your body is telling you with all that day. So being able to understand, that is a huge part in the beginning, is understanding what your body is telling you with all that stuff. What else did we have today, you guys?

I was going to bring up something unrelated to that that I was just thinking about as we were talking. I was going to ask you guys. Should we come up with a marvelous segue? And speaking of coaching, Tanner. Yeah. Yeah. and speaking of coaching uh tanner yeah uh have you ever either of you ever had it recently they can think of when you're working

on something outside of the gym just working at home or at work or anywhere and you think like oh all that time at the gym and being stronger just paid off today. Like I just was able to use that for something that we just got a lot easier than like, had I been a weak person? Yes. And no. Yeah. I was just, I could see probably see right away how Tyler might have some carryover. Yeah. I like, I have some of that with, with my day job where, but even then, like, you don't feel like, like like it's not the same as where it's not like like like at the gym if you're gonna pick up a 300 pound sandbag you're all like let's fucking

do this yeah and at work you're like i want to pick that up i'll have like a 200 pound compressor that i got to pick up and carry up some stairs and and there's actually been lots of times where like because obviously my boss does not want me to get hurt because then someone else would have to do my job which would be bad and then also like that probably costs him money and so there's usually like well we can get somebody over there to help you with it and i'm like well i can probably handle this yeah and i probably and so there's actually a lot of times where I just will. I'll just do it.

Mainly because I do lift all the time. Oh, shit. Look at that. I wonder if that'll show up. This just in. We have hot news. Well, we'll get back to that. Breaking news.

Goddamn. Tyler, I know you're in the middle of the story. We've got to cut Tyler the regular programming for this announcement. But, so yeah, even though you'll be listening to this two weeks from now. Guys, I don't know if you know this, but like we're at war now. You heard it here first on a two week delay. No, but yeah, so there's lots of times where where it'll all just be like oh fuck i lift all the time i'm just gonna do it because it's like yeah it's like i gotta flex on this fucking thing

i don't need any help because it's because if i did did accept the help then what's the point right in me being strong right i'm like well it still takes two people so uh fletch you better sit your ass back down get out of here i would actually tanner i don't know if you have a thing to go with this to say over but i would almost actually say that it might even sound kind of bad but i can think of a lot of times where i feel like lifting has almost been detrimental like yes i've touched on this several times buying pants and underwear sucks yeah um anytime you gotta feel like you got to get into a tight, small spot, that sucks too. I was putting a toilet lid on my seat, a toilet lid on the toilet, and you get kind of crouched

down around that thing. It's like, this is so uncomfortable. I know if I was 40 pounds lighter, I would just bend in here and it wouldn't even be a thing. So that's changed. pounds lighter like i would just bend in here and it wouldn't even be a thing uh so like that's changed uh you pay way more attention to diet now which makes things way tougher too because you're not just like totally eating garbage and fine fine with just the junk all the time um and sometimes don't you think do you ever have the thought where um because you lift you purposely don't

want to where you're like well well, I'm deadlifting tomorrow. Like, that's going to screw up my lifting. Like in the wintertime, all I think is like, I don't want to shovel. Damn it, there's snow outside. My back is going to suffer way more from fatigue from the stupid snow. So sometimes you might even do less because of your...

But then there is also the thing though, like when even, you know, comparatively to you guys, I am quite a bit smaller, but when we walk through a crowd, like we do demand attention. Like, like you cannot deny that. Like when we're walking through the airport, people wanted to know like what team we were on. Like, like, and we could have told them anything. And I think they would have believed us. And like, can you really put a tall?

Yeah. Cause you can't put a price on that yeah when we walk around like you no runner no like no long distance runners ever go through an airport or any one of those like oh like i can tell like you run i can tell by your long by your gate that you definitely know how to move efficiently like it's like when we go through an airport people definitely are wondering like what's going on like what are these so like you do have that factor going, which is always kind of cool. That's true. Oh shit.

And until you've experienced it, you don't really know what it is. What I was going to say though is today I was installing a basketball hoop in our driveway. And it, so there was just the short of it is there's like a two foot pole sticking out of the ground that I had already cemented in. And then I was kind of done assembling the entire rest of it, you know, the backboard and the rim and the eight more feet of pole that have to go on top of it. And I was just thinking like, ah, I guess I'm going to have to wait until someone else gets here to like put this on here. But then, you know, my five-year-old son really wanted to play with it. So I was like, put this on here but then you know my five-year-old son really wanted to play with that so i was like well i guess like i'm not too much of a pussy maybe i can just like i just like you know ended up just you know picking up the basketball hoop and backboard and setting it on there and i was

like oh i probably couldn't do that if like i you know wasn't stronger than the average person was it actually pretty heavy yeah and like super awkward because it's eight foot long with a backboard glass backboard yeah and rims so like and there's other other of my neighbors were outside and they're probably like that guy is an idiot did you like yell down the block everybody look at me and of course i'm not going to just ask my neighbor to uh like go over and ask like you're 65 you're right give them that satisfaction of knowing that helped you but then when you get done with you like yeah i am i am pretty strong i'm the man probably very similar to the uh what it like the telephone pole toss at the uh

you should got running down the street and just flip the backboard shattered it so what's our breaking news here tanner i'll see i don't know if i can yeah yeah back back to this groundbreaking announcement yeah uh if people need more of a reason this is their reason this is the reason blaine sumner the vanilla gorilla, just posted a picture of our Weekend Warrior shirt, the Lyft shirt. I'd say he's the most vanilla of all the gorillas. That's true. And he's the most gorilla of all the vanillas. For sure.

And definitely the most pop machine sized human I've ever seen. Out of all the humans. At this point, we can probably pre, or preface this by saying, Blaine Sumner, close friend of the show. Well, he's our homie, I know, because he said,

thanks to my homies at Mass Anonymous for the custom bed sheet. Did he say that? Yeah, because it's a 4X and it's just, I don't know if you can see that. I don't know how well

that'll turn out on the video, but the custom bed sheet, that is awesome. This is the first 4X of those that we got. It's truly a one-off. Yeah. That is pretty awesome. And I do remember, I think he had a post just a couple weeks ago, and he thanked Walmart for their 5XL white tall tees. And I've always wondered, who are these people that buy these?

And now I know he is that well and asking Blaine about his size you know I uh said I need to know the size and he said I told him we have 3x now but you know we're ordering more so he could probably get whatever he wants and he said well 3x won't cut it for me you know I I need a 4x in order for it to go and it's like that's a big guy like. Because the 3Xs we had before. They look so big. We were just having this conversation. Even my 2X is like,

it's a big 2X. It's not skin tight on me. We were just saying two months ago how insane it is that there's people that wear 3Xs and then we get a 4X. It's a lot of shit. Tanner, you held that 4X. How big is it really?

It was big. It was, it's very wide. Like they don't get, they don't, they stopped getting very much longer. Yeah. You know, they don't like. Yeah. They don't expect you to be six foot 11. They're just like, it's a 4XL.

It's just a fat person. You know, but, but for comparison sake, uh, you know, Tanner, what are you like six, two, six, three, two 75 ish like 6'2", 6'3", 275-ish? Yeah. And I wear an extra large shirt usually. Tyler, you're 6'6". Three bills. 300, and you are a 2X. Yeah.

So this is considerably bigger. I mean, Blaine is 400 pounds. Yeah, 400 pounds. I mean, that is a much larger person. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is a much larger person. Yeah.

So anyways, if you were still on the fence about buying a lift shirt, we have IPF world champion, world record holder approving of it. So you don't have any excuses now to not buy one. Yeah. No. Yeah. Basically. And if you're out of money, I don't know, you should just sell something that you have. You know, sell like your television or one of your children.

If you have more than one child, you're fine to get rid of one of them for sure. I don't think many people want to buy those. Well, there's probably a market somewhere. And if you have $100, you'll be fine. If you're one of those people that doesn't like to buy stuff online, this is a really good practice exercise for you. It's not like it's Amazon where you could accidentally put something really expensive in the cart and mess it up.

Worst case scenario here, you just get more Masonomic stuff for a fairly reasonable price. I mean, yeah, depending on how you look at it, that could be even better. That might be the best thing that ever happened to you. And if you're really challenged, we might even be able to offer some technical support.

Just DM Tanner on Instagram and tell him you need help with the checkout process and i'm sure he'd love to walk you through it you'll get he'll give you a cell phone number and he'll walk you through it over the phone then blaine also commented that he he suspects this shirt will help him re-break his all his world. I can only imagine. I can't see why. It definitely won't hurt. No, not at all. I think we also had a fairly positive review from Frank Daddy. Yeah. Brandon Franklin, too. I'll just, as long as we're...

You should probably whip out some iTunes reviews, too. It's going to be about that time. Okay, yeah. We'll just say... No, that's a segue. This is the review part of the episode? Yeah. Where people talk about how awesome we are?

Yeah, this is the part where we spend the next 10 minutes reading from our cell phones. Right now, this part of the episode is only 10 minutes. Ideally, this would be the entire episode in the future. That's just the show. We're going to have so many reviews. That's all we'll do. Yeah, we just... I'm just going to read all my personal text messages that I got from Arnold this week.

Brandon Franklin, he's frankdaddy27 on Instagram. You should follow him if you're into powerlifting and you don't. He's insanely strong. And also if you're a woman who's into attractive men, because for some reason my wife absolutely is very sweet on Mr. Franklin. He has the hair thing. I think it's the hair. He also has the physique that not I think it's the hair. He's also, you know, has the physique that, you know, not all powerlifters have. That her 300-pound husband does not have, apparently.

But he's pretty funny also. He says a lot of vulgar stuff on there. So before we get into, before you read Brandon's deal, Brandon is sponsored by, is it Conquering Barbell? Yeah, Conquering Barbell. And he's been pimping a shirt for a while that is the beautiful purple, and it has the eat, and it shows the peach emoji, gain mass, which obviously translates to eat ass, gain mass,

which is one of my favorite shirts. And one of your favorite models to live by. I'm thinking of getting that tattooed somewhere. On your forehead would be pretty cool. Right on my throat. Which my wife also won't let me order that shirt because, quote, you won't be able to wear it anywhere. And I was like, well, who's telling me when and where I can't wear it?

Because I would wear it everywhere. And she's like, not if you're with me or not. A lot of people wouldn't quite catch on to it, though, even, I don't think. And I'll just say it's about eating fruit. This guy's a big peach guy. Because I do figure that the type of person that wouldn't get the peach emoji to ask translation is the type of person that would be offended. Yeah.

So like... Yeah, the type of person that would be offended by it would be the ones that don't get it. You wouldn't get it. So like, yeah, I like fruit. Stop asking me questions, weirdo. You know? But anyway, we sent Brandon

one of the lift shirts. Yeah, we sent Brandon a shirt too. His wasn't a 4X, but he said, thank you at Mastonomics for the shirt and card. The card is thoughtful as fuck. Make sure you check

this badass crew out. You can't help but love the interviews they put out of top lifters and social media stars alike they're the definition of mass themselves like red oak tree tall sons of bitches lol now what was the card that you sent him uh i said uh brandon keep keep crushing those big lifts he does he's squatted 900 pounds before that's pretty serious and he's not like. He's not a 400 pound man.

No, when we met him in person, it's like, oh. Yeah, what does he weigh? I think he competes in 242. Okay. You know, so about 240 pounds. Yeah. And I think he deadlifts maybe 800, close to 800 pounds, like a lot. That's strong.

So I'd keep crushing the big lifts. And whatever you do never stop eating that ass so that's why he thought the card was so thoughtful yeah true true words of inspiration i told him it's a good thing we didn't get that card mixed up with our mother's day cards that we were going to be sending out you'd have some explaining to do there more breaking news oh my god Blaine posted another picture

a second picture is he throwing it in a blender and drinking it he has consumed the shirt it's a video he just ate our weekend warrior shirt well fuck Blaine I mean we do sell those. Damn it. He thought I was supposed to go in with this chicken shake.

Son of a bitch. I guess when you have one of those kind of blenders, those Blendtec blenders, you can put whatever you want in there. Those are like $2,000, $3,000. The cheapest one is like $300. No, you can buy a $300 Blendtec. But they can blend. Did you see that?

They started. So first of all. Do they blend like golf balls and stuff? Genius Marketing. No, you can buy a $300 blend. But they can blend. Did you see that? They started – so first of all – Do they blend like golf balls and stuff? Genius Marketing. They had one. They have a YouTube channel. I believe it's them. They started a YouTube channel called Will It Blend? And they would just throw anything in it.

Like they proved that their blender can blend an iPhone into like perfect dust particles. That's how powerful these things are. Yeah. It's just like they threw an iPhone in. When it was done, there was the most fine- fine grain grit sand you've ever seen and it was black crazy so that that's what you get with those things yeah and i always wondered and i'm gonna guess that that's not the 600 version uh and i did a little research on these blenders just this week because uh you know ross was he was talking about it. Ross has been drinking

some of these chicken shakes. He's been trying this. I don't know if you've seen that. Ross actually said they're not that bad. He said the first time he was gagging, puking, and he said now he can do it and not gag. The consistency would be huge.

That doesn't sound like that's a thing that's pleasurable. Yeah, yeah. It's just something that doesn't make you throw up. Not that bad. Like, he's just barely not puking. There's lots of terrible things in life that don't make me throw up. That you wouldn't do.

Doesn't mean you want to do it, like, daily or multiple times a day. Right. But he was talking about the blenders. And there's one other brand besides Blendtec that kind of rivaled. Is it Vitamix or something like that? Yes, there you go. Those two are the most. See, I've done some research.

I bought a blender around Christmas time time okay and i just went with a ninja because it was ninja is the like if you want to go cheaper but still pretty pretty cool blender you get and that's what i went with and i've been i've been really happy with it the only blender experience i had before that was like a really like ten dollar like whatever you get a walmart 19 hamilton beach from walmart that i use not all that yeah i don't make a lot of use a lot like $10, like whatever you get at Walmart. I have a $19 Hamilton Beach from Walmart that I use. Not all that. Yeah,

I don't make a lot of, I don't use a lot of blending. So, and I'm also not blending things that like, I'm not. You're not blending chicken breasts and people buying a banana?

Well, yeah, like I'm not, I'm not, here's the deal. I'm not putting an iPhone in my fucking protein shake. Which is kind of where I'm at.

But I think, the chicken shakes they have to be liquefied like if i'm drinking a chicken shake and it's like oh there was a little gristle in that one like if it's purely like water it's probably a little easier to do i had i did one today i really don't know why i did this mainly just just for fun but it was uh i i did the math on it it was like a stupid amount of protein. It was really unnecessary. I did see that.

I did see that. As a matter of fact, I still have this in here. It looked like a stupid amount of volume to me even. It was actually, you know, the big Superman cups that we normally drink out of? It was one of those completely full. Yeah, I do have it still in my fitness pal because I had to see what this was.

So it was two cups of almond milk, two cups of MusclePharm protein, one and a half cups of oats. Like two scoops of protein. Yep, yep, yep. I'm sorry, two scoops. Did I say cups? That would have been gangster.

That would have been a lot of protein. One and a half. Well, this already is a lot of protein. One and a half cups of oats, a half a cup of 4% cottage cheese, a half a cup of plain Greek yogurt, one banana, two tablespoons of creamy peanut butter because chunky peanut butter is for homeless people. But if you have a Blendtec, it doesn't matter.

And one cup of egg whites. All blended together. That is just shy of 1,400 calories. And it is 140 grams of carbs and 121 grams of protein, which is, uh, it was actually really good. It was like a,

it was, I mean, really good. If I ever need to hit, it might be actually a solid way for me to hit 8,000 calories a day. I hated myself. Ross drink like half of his calories are probably through like really i when we used to live together we our blender just sat on the counter all the time

and because we just made shakes like and we were kind of like in college ages still so we weren't really cooking a lot of food yet and stuff but we could it was pretty easy to throw uh that's what i always used to use is greek yogurt protein powder some sort of fruit milk and like cottage cheese and then eggs we like we put a lot of eggs in there and it's just so easy to get like if you're trying to gain mass it's so easy to i'm at leo will like make me shakes and it's just the best thing because you don't have to go to the hassle of doing it and she puts like a little bit of uh it's like a touch of fucking cinnamon on the top almost she puts like a little bit of uh she buys like the flavored uh pudding packets you know like if you're making your own pudding oh yeah and they're like sugar-free or whatever and you put just a little bit of that in and it is that flavor now it makes the flavor you guys i have a tip for you

it's going to change just the tip just the tip here um you take um you can do it with i guess you can add protein powder if you want but like there's tons of protein in cottage cheese and greek yogurt anyways you probably don't need to but half and half cottage cheese and greek yogurt and then you use the same thing like the the pudding, the sugar-free pudding packets, but the cheesecake flavored ones. Yes, that's the one we have. We have cheesecake, yeah. And just mix it all together. Use the cottage cheese and Greek yogurt, mix that with the dill, and put it in the blender.

Because you don't want the texture of the cottage cheese. You want it to be completely emulsified. And then it is for real like eating a i've done it where i've eaten like it's a bowl of fucking cheesecake filling it's almost it's exactly like cheesecake filling tastes just like it has the same texture of it it's like eating a bowl of fucking cheesecake she makes me this chunky monkey one where she puts like we have a banana, peanut butter, all this stuff in there and then a little bit, I think it's like a banana flavored pudding mix. Just a tiny little bit is all you need and

it's just like a million bucks. It's crazy. It's science. It's insane what they can do. Guys, there was something I was going to look up. We were still in the middle of some breaking news. Blaine didn't eat the shirt, I don't think. More breaking news. Blaine didn't eat the shirt, I don't think. But. Oh.

More breaking news. Jesus. Another post about our shirt. No joke here. What? I can't even. There's just so many things right now. Oh, okay. It's Blaine's wife because we also sent Blaine's wife.

Because you got to take care of the shirt. She. Well, here's the reason. We figured that everyone and their dog will send Blaine Sumner a free shirt. Yeah. Bedsheet shirt. A bedsheet shirt. Now, if I was married to Blaine Sumner, if I were to be so lucky.

You guys would be a real power couple. It'd be Bear City up in there. power couple we'd be we'd be we'd be it'd be bear city up in there but uh i would be very upset that he'd be getting all them shirts and nobody be sending me anything so so we threw sent a shirt her way and we did have to include in the note to make sure that he didn't get confused that the extra small was for him it's already working so so uh anyways though tanner what was the other announcement with this shirt um oh just she just she uh she said uh blaine's wife said she especially appreciates us clearing up the sizing because his was a 4x and hers is an extra small so i made sure to explain that in the uh you know i'm them living together, they have a lot of disputes

on who wears which clothing. It is good that we probably pointed that out. Yeah. Well, we're real sweethearts like that. That is a bed sheet, isn't it? Jesus Christ. It almost makes the shirt

look not as cool because it's like, wow, they couldn't have put a bigger print on that thing. They put a little logo on. Christ, Tanner, could you have ironed it before you sent it out there? What did you do? Did you tie it in a knot and then mail it to him?

It sure is. It's hard to fold down a bed sheet to fit in a package to bail, I'm sure. His was different. His had more folds than the average way I fold a shirt to get them in. Well, here's the deal. To scale, I guess for scaling here here this shirt is without the sleeves as wide as his microwave like if you cut off this if you go where the sleeve and seam it and you pulled this out this would be as wide as his microwave which is probably equal this is probably also his range hood so it's

probably the same width as his stove so So that's like 30 or 36 inches. That's like 36 inches wide. That's as big. So it's a T-shirt that your stove could wear. If your stove was into wearing T-shirts. So, yeah, I guess we'll put that on the website, is that it's great for people and appliances that want to look good. Oh, shit.

Anyway, thanks a lot,aine for uh for doing the deal and putting that up there for us um what about itunes tanner we do have a at least one review to read i think maybe just one but half-ass and sons of bitches out there at least there was a review though yeah this came now when i looked at it we we had what? Did we have 20? 20. This is 20. This is the 20th. 20.

Yeah. And this title of this, also something we need to talk about, title, I Wish Sean's Had Instagram. Because on episode 52, the ketogenic diet episode with Sean's at the end he said if just one person tells me I should get Instagram he absolutely said that I'll get it he said it on air like it's on YouTube or iTunes

you can check and see in episode 52 and that's the title of this so there's that one Sean's and they said I love the Massonomics podcast and listen every week I love that I learn different things and I'm so entertained. You guys are hilarious. I appreciate the information from the ketogenics episode because it wasn't just someone trying to sell it or trash it.

Good stuff. So that's a pretty good review. That's a real review. And that's five out of five stars from Ruby. Sweet. Nice. So thank you, Ruby. That's a good review. Yeah. five stars from Ruby. Sweet. Yeah. Nice.

So thank you, Ruby. That's a good review. Yeah. Fabulous. Ruby. Okay. So, Ruby, you're off the hook. You listen to us. You can turn every other one of you.

But the rest of you sons of bitches better get off your asses and give us a goddamn review. Yeah, Ruby can shut the episode off now. We're going to cuss everyone else out. I guess, I mean guess we do have 20. That's good. It's not 1,000, which is what I prefer it to be. 100 would be cool. 100 would be a good starting point.

We could have, for the people that listen to our podcast, 100 isn't unreasonable. No, not at all. No, actually, the fact that it's not over 100 is a real indictment of you guys who are listening to this and not fucking leaving reviews so we'll get it let's get into the uh how you can support the podcast here you have a few options to support the podcast the first is with your money and that is to go to massonomics.com, check out the shop, the store, buy yourself this Lyft shirt. If you want to be as strong as Blaine Sumner. If you have a really hard time making decisions, I think the community has spoken and said the

Lyft shirt is the coolest shirt. So we just made up your mind for you. You just buy that shirt. Yeah, just buy that one for sure. That's how you can help support the podcast. We do spend an awful lot of time, money, hair, makeup, all that stuff is really expensive. The production company here. The sheer amount of makeup you can get on Tyler's face is mind-blowing. I have a huge face. The hugest face. But yeah, so that's how you can help support the podcast.

If you do not want to give us your money, which I totally understand if you don't have any money, but then your next best option is to support us via leaving us a review on iTunes. Go to iTunes, look up Masonomics, leave us a five-star review. You can literally say whatever you want in there and we'll read it within reason. As for now, I'll say we'll just read anything. Whatever it says until it gets to be something that we have to drop. For legal reasons. Otherwise, after you have done that, and only after you have done that,

then you can check out the rest of our stuff. So then you can follow us on Instagram make sure you go to facebook make sure you like massonomics on facebook most of our like articles and stuff like that are going to get ported out through facebook first so that's another way you can support us too like without spending money a share something on facebook like if you see a podcast episode and you click on it on facebook and listen to it and you're like oh i like that like if you would share that that's probably the most helpful way for us to get out in front of more people yeah otherwise we're going to start having to do like a really really irritating advertisement campaigns where we're just like all up in your Facebook feed all the

time which is really annoying so and then finally if you're really one of those people because I know there are a lot of you out there that refuse to engage with anything online, I get it. That's a thing. People don't like to engage with stuff. You can go the old-fashioned route and tell a friend about it. And word of mouth is a pretty cool thing, too. And if you don't want to like or share anything on Facebook, let's be honest, you're probably not that pleasant to be around in person. And if, at the very least, then just write us a letter.

Yeah. That'd be fun. We'll use it. Mail us at getbigatmassanomics.com. Also, make sure you go to youtube.com forward slash massanomics. All the Arnold videos are up there. They are, by the time you're hearing this now, they have picked up so much steam right now.

There are the amount of views. It'll probably just be on your suggestion like probably yeah it's gonna be right up there with we actually might quit doing the podcast because of the revenue we're making off of ads from those videos yeah so if you're not you better start leaving us itunes reviews we're going to shut down the podcast and just spend our days counting money counting all our youtube money um yeah so youtube.com forward slash massonomics. And then also all of us can be reached via the Instagrams. I am at Tyler F. and Stone. That's Tyler EFF, I and Stone.

Tommy? I am at Tomahawk underscore D. And Tanner? The official massonomics Instagram account, at massonomics. Now, we have been hunting around for trying to figure out what we're going to get Professor Shanz's is instagram too what was that one i know i really professor sean's is as far as i can tell available um that should be it i mean all the joking is concerned austin yeah austin sent us a text and was like what do you think anybody will like jump our shit if they

find out that i'm not a real professor? And I was like, well, first off, my middle name is not actually effing. And also like Dr. Dre wasn't a real doctor and nobody like hassled him. And that immediately shut the debate down.

You're right. You're right. I never called out Dr. Dre for that. Who's to say what's real or not real. Yeah. It's Instagram. Yeah.

No, it's whatever you want to be. Um, anyway, thanks a lot for listening listening everybody do all of the things that we just told you to do pretty please and we'll uh you just heard the massonomics podcast with your ears you're welcome check us out on facebook find us on instagram at massamics and make sure you visit Masanamics.com and buy some of that sweet Masanamics gear. From your friends at Masanamics Studio, home of the world's strongest podcast, stay strong. Thank you.