Massenomics Podcast - Ep.123: The CrossFit Games

Episode Date: August 14, 2018

This week the guys recap all of the interesting, exciting, surprising, and yet somewhat predictable and hard-to-watch happenings of the 2018 CrossFit Games.

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This is after our normal intro music. Double intro. And now... Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this week's episode of the Mastodonomics Podcast. Welcome to this week's episode of the 1996-97 Chicago Bulls. We're going real hard on the intro here. For quite the ride. Fun fact, guys.

That was actually the way that we announced my entire wedding party when we came into the reception of my wedding. I wish you would have told me that a week ago. Speaking of weddings. I was about to cough up some elite fucking ideas to you, Tommy. Speaking of that. And also Dan Bell was a ball boy for the Chicago Bulls. We've said that before, but it's worth saying again.

Never forget. So Tommy, the newly hitched Thomas. That is I. Listen, I looked at it on writing. Now that your now wife had changed her last name, even though you know goddamn well she did not legally go through the process yet. Oh, she has. Does she really?

Yeah. She got on it ASAP. Has it been three days? Three, yeah. But I saw it like two days ago. Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Well, on Facebook? Three work days. Yeah. Well, you can yeah well you can change on facebook anytime that's what i'm saying so is it done she has mark zuckerberg know about that does she have does the name changed she has all of her new

bank cards are in the mail so she has a driver's license with you she has the driver's license i swear to god she had that as of yesterday it took took us like go to the fucking DMV and they're like, get the fuck out of here. You got to go here. And then you had to go to the federal building and then you got to go here. You need mail, but mail with this and that. And everyone's got to show up. Yeah, she was on it. Jesus.

But anyway, your last name is obviously pronounced DeFay, but it looks so much better if she would pronounce it Leah DeFia. That's what everyone says. And I think you just need to go with that. But her middle name is Lachey, so it's Leah Lachey DeFay. So it does have a certain rhyme to it. Yeah, yeah. You're right.

So what were the high notes of the wedding? We got our drink on. It started on Friday night, the rehearsal dinner. That was my aunt and uncle. Kept you really hunky. My aunt and uncle have a pretty nice backyard, and we hosted like 45-ish, 50 people there. A really nice backyard. Yeah, I mean like legit pool and everything, like diving board.

It was nice. And one of my buddies works at a brewery in wisconsin and this is a little shout out to mob craft brewery they do a really cool thing they uh they crowdsource their beer so every month uh you can go on their website submit ideas for a beer and homeless people make it and they bring it in basically well you can you can submit ideas for a beer the idea yeah yeah the idea and then they let the crowd beer yeah they let so they crowdsource the idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The idea. And then they let the crowd. Just bring in a new beer. Yeah, they let the crowd vote on the beer. So the winning beer gets made like the next month or however long it takes to actually produce that beer.

Yeah. Well, another thing that they do is none of their cans are actually labeled. They're blank cans and then they have like a labeling machine. Because they're crazy. Oh, whatever you got to do, you know. But what they started doing is offering like custom labels. So like when people have a special occasion, like special occasion, why not do your own custom label? So it was pretty cool that we had the DeFay draft.

They were really cool. It was an IPA like 6.5%, which most people around here, that's not a thing they normally do. So I think that after a night of drinking those, it caught up to a lot of people. I even had to have a few of those just because I liked the can. I was like, I don't care what it tastes like. I can say I saw my dad have his first IPA ever. He choked it down. I'm sure he didn't enjoy any bit of it, but he did it for the love of the game.

There's a thing I learned, which I'm certain it doesn't apply to this then because it's a special event. But I know if you're going to, because it was kind of just given. You know what i mean but if you're gonna sell a beer it's a really it's in your best interest to not have the label have your cans not labeled because the way it is with the atf is when you make a new beer especially if you're rolling out a fucking new beer based on online polls all the time you then have to submit your label to the atf for approval before you can fucking print the label on a beer and sell it doesn't surprise me the more you know yeah but uh

uh i guess with with the rest of the wedding though you know uh the big concern for us was it was an outdoor ceremony so back to the rehearsal oh yeah yeah i want to talk about this because i think this happens at a lot of weddings. So the rehearsal dinner, you're with a crowd of people who you know every time they get together, they're like, we're going to get fucking stupid drunk tonight, right? Yeah. And you know that people got to have their shit together the next day, kind of. Yep. And so was there this thing where everybody is kind of trying but not that hard?

You know, I feel like the night started pretty chill and cautious. And I would say, for the most part, it ended that way. I know there was one groomsman specifically that maybe didn't have the best night. But as far as I know, the reviews that I had the next day were hungover, but nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing unusual for a Saturday. Yeah, yeah. I like that. So, yeah, dodged a bullet on that one. hungover but nothing nothing out of the ordinary nothing unusual for a saturday yeah yeah i like

that so yeah dodged a bullet on that one nothing that a few pre-wedding beers couldn't uh couldn't fix i know i know what mine it was like oh yeah we're just we'll hang out we were all at a hotel so we had a rehearsal and we go back to the hotel we're literally at the place where we sleep so you go to bed anytime it's just a boring hotel bar blackout fucking drunk until 2 in the morning, and up in the morning, everybody's dying. So you did all right. Yeah, came out okay. That's good. Good bunch you got there.

Really responsible. But the next day then, the big concern was weather. It was an outdoor ceremony, and in Aberdeen, you just have to assume when you do an outdoor event, you're going to get screwed over in some way between rain, wind, or something or yeah yeah so uh we managed to escape okay like the biggest concern was it was like 90 degrees which is the the best problem to have yeah yeah and the nice thing much better than raining yeah was because if the only issue is heat, the ceremony was pretty expedient. Oh, yeah.

I don't know. Was it 25 minutes? I don't even know if it was 15. It was probably 15 or something. I think the crowd was in it for 20 minutes. Yeah, the crowd was probably in it by the time they sat down and did their whole thing. But that's... Oh, yeah. We can't...

It's respectful of people's time in the heat. Respectful of their time. Yep. That's how you do a wedding. I said people... Long weddings are not necessary. If you have... Guys, if you're listening, if you have... They're a little out of style these days. for their time. Yep. That's how you do a wedding. I said people, long weddings are not necessary. Guys,

if you're listening, if you have a little, a lot of style these days, nobody cares about what your vows are. Nobody cares about anything. The ceremony has to happen. And so we'll like, people are going to be glad that you had one, but do it.

Tommy did. Well, make it quick. And what I'd say, nobody cares about the stuff that's not specifically related to you getting married. Like, yours was good because it was just, like, about you two getting married. Like, the stuff that's not about that, it's like, what? Like, can we get on with the wedding part?

Can we get back on task? Yeah. Keep the show moving. And on the fourth day, Moses came down from the mountains. And I'm like, wait a minute. We kind of already have heard that part before. This is a wedding. Yeah, it's about me.

Yeah, we kept it moving. And then the party bus happened. We called in a little favor. One of the local favorite bars in town is called The Zoo. And we got a favor for them to open up shop just for us because they're not going to get business for the first two or three hours they're open anyways because it's not a bar you go until like late. And they opened it up for us and we tore it up for a good 20 minutes. It was –

I would say Tanner bought 30 shots. I bought the bar a round of shots. That's one of the few times I would ever do that. I was already on the dance floor and the beauty of this would ever do that i was already on the dance floor and the beauty of this place is there's a shot bar on the dance floor and i look at tanner like on the bar seeing him doing like the pointer thing of like trying to count everyone and i'm like something's going on over here do it tanner did tanner send you guys all invoices yeah well yeah we got it you had two they were itemized six dollars There was also tax on each one of these.

And I'm going to charge you a tax for facilitating the thing. We walked out of there, and I remember you said something about how much fun that was. And I was like, that was really fun. If only when you went to the bar, it could only be 30 of your good friends. Everyone's reviewing. Oh, it's amazing how fun a bar is when it's just 30 of your best friends and everyone's ready to party like and like and like and then the bartenders are on point because yeah like it was like the bartender was you'd tell them anything to do they were right there for you you'd say i can i hear this song run across the bar to put a song on like they

were doing it allstand pushups. So this is probably back about. It's CrossFit Games weekend. Yeah, it's on CrossFit Games. To give people some context, if you go back about six years, most people are familiar with Diplo now, the DJ. About six years ago, one of his first breakthrough songs, you could say was Express

Yourself. And if you don't know what that song is, I would recommend right now you pause this, hop over to YouTube and watch the music video for that. And it kind of almost turned into a meme is that in the video, there's these girls that they go up to a wall, they kind of go into a handstand position with their legs up on the wall and just do some upside-down twerking. And maybe in my younger years, I might have made a habit of that with some of my friends, and so we relived that. I mean, we had a line of like 10 guys, 12 guys doing that,

so it was pretty entertaining. Funny story. I actually literally two hours ago in teaching the gymnastics segment of our CrossFit class was doing just that. Not handstand pushups. You can stop the progression right here. It's classic.

It's classic. From there, we hopped back on the party bus, got to the ceremony. There were some speeches. I was a little on edge. Ryan was the best man. got to the ceremony there were some speeches i was a little on edge like ryan ryan yeah flying the shining point for you guys that listen to to us here ryan's speech was he touched on some really really really good stuff really deep emotions but it's one of the main things he he wanted to give tommy's credibility or credit for his great creativity. Like when he ripped off the Miller Lite logo.

And made a shirt. And made a shirt. And then when he went and after that ripped off the Miller High Life logo and made a shirt. And then wait till you guys see the next one. So Tommy's creativity knows no bounds. There's no limits to it. He said that this is like right in the middle of the speech he went through that and what was so hilarious

about his speech were his pauses. That's what everyone kept saying. His long extended pauses were... And then he would go to his phone and be like, Ryan, I know you don't need to know this. But he was just doing it. As like a comfort thing. Yeah.

But it was all good. Everyone got housed and had a good time. Yeah. That's pretty much the summary for it. There was a lot of huge dudes there. There was a lot of big guys. You cannot deny that fact. There was.

Was that the first full-on Massonomics wedding? It's a funny thing. Was your wedding, was Massonomonomics massonomics was discussed at your wedding i didn't remember it was a thing yep yes it wasn't quite a thing it it was a i think it was a was it was just because it was becoming a gym in the process of later that year yeah yeah it became a gym two months later i was gonna say just a couple months later yes two months it wasn't the thing we know. No, it's not like what it is right now.

I got all my marriage scarves and stuff like that. She said, now that we're married, I want a baby. He's like, well, let's start with it. Why don't I get you a gym first? Yes. Funny thing,

the month of August 2018, there are four Massonomics gym members that are getting married. And there's a strongman competition. It's a big month. It is the month of Massonomics. But 10% of our gym membership is getting married in August of 2018. Two of them are getting married to each other. Me, Ryan, Leon.

And they're dudes. Who's the other one? Larry and Nick. Jake. He's kind of a trans. Satellite member. Yeah. But yeah, there is a couple that's getting married from the gym even this month.

So yeah, it's crazy stuff. Masonomics. Just makes the world go around so on that note speaking of the world oh yeah check this segue guys west side versus the world yeah tanner you want to you want to uh steer the ship for yeah i wasn't necessarily going to read all of this, but I do want to maybe read a couple parts just so I don't bastardize it anymore. Maybe just in case some people don't have any clue what we're talking about. The backstory is West Side vs. the World is a documentary that has been slated to come out for several months now.

People have been anticipating it forever. And it's been in the works for a couple years. Yeah, since like 14 or 15 i think he's even when he started uh michael fahey is the director yeah the direct the director i guess and he's the main back you know mostly in charge of everything i that has to do with the movie and there's been some hot button stuff about the uh what's the site that he used that you raise money with and oh um is it like like patreon yeah patreon or what i think maybe it was patreon or whatever or he might have done a kickstarter yeah maybe it was kickstarter i do remember yep seeing that part

and i think part of that was like most kickstarter projects you know you can do for five dollars you can chip in get this for twenty dollars you'll get a Blu-ray when it comes out. For $40, you might get a Blu-ray and your name in the credits or something. There's different tiers to that. The problem with that has been that all those Kickstarter people haven't gotten anything. And it's been a lot longer than what everyone was expecting. But he's been pretty quiet about what's going on. Everyone wants to know what's going on. Anytime he posts anything, everyone's like, what the hell's going on. Everyone wants to know what's going on.

Anytime he posts anything, everyone's like, what the hell's going on? We haven't gotten anything yet. Yeah, and so I haven't kept up on this. So that's all I know is that the few times I'll kind of actually take the effort to look into it, I'll see on Instagram, just he'll have a post and just everything, where's my movie, where's my movie, want my money,

and then he'll have one comment in there, sorry, things going on behind the scenes, can't discuss that's that's all i'm aware of right now right and uh the other thing to note is they did have a special viewing of it in three different locations it was like wasn't one at the arnold even was yes one was that that was the first and then there was one in uh utah and one in south carolina or something and i think it was like of a 95 finished product like those maybe not fully complete. But that kind of pissed those people off too.

Because people have gotten to see it. Now they know there's a movie why can't I just have it? Right. The people that gave some money to get there. So this is the press release that he put out concerning West Side vs. The World. And he says a number of sudden events have delayed the release of the film West Side versus the world after its limited

debut in Columbus, Ohio, Salt Lake city, Utah, Columbia, South Carolina, and Perth, Australia. First as detailed in this, uh, court case, uh, United States department of justice versus this would be his partner's name, and I'm not exactly sure how you say this. I think it's Carvalho. Carvalho would be his partner. Pending in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, Mr. Carlos Carvalho was arrested on February 26, 2018,

while transporting narcotics between Colorado and Ohio. Mr. Carvalho spent the following six weeks in federal custody. He has now pled guilty to the charge of money laundering, for which he awaits sentencing. I'll maybe skip ahead here. Mr. Carvalho emptied bank accounts belonging to Walking Rambo Productions. Walking Rambo Production is the production company working on West side versus the world. That company is 50% owned by Michael Fahey and 50% owned by this other guy,

this guy. He was not authorized to withdraw those funds. The funds taken by him included those allocated to produce items for the Kickstarter rewards promised by the World Rambo Productions. See if there's anything else. That's the basics of it, so that's what's going on. So that was probably why he couldn't really talk about stuff, because it was probably an active investigation.

And it's still going on, so he's still limited of what he can say. I'm guessing this was gone through through by a you know his legal you would assume um that's about it other you know he says a little bit more about this other guy's background and it uh maybe i'll just read the paragraph about this guy yeah let's hear let's hear carlos worked on the film as a cameraman photographer and director he was at times sought to create the impression that he is the award-winning cinematographer of the same name who was tragically killed on location in Africa. So someone else by that name is probably apparently an award-winning, what did I say, cinematographer. And he was kind of trying to do that.

He's obviously not the same person. He was recently suggested in social media that he was, has been employed by WRP for the past two years in the capacity of security specialist. His last contribution on the development of West side versus the world occurred during April, 2016. And he has not, and has never been employed. So it kind of sounds like a liar and uh not a

great guy not and never been employed by who wrp okay yeah so like all he ever did was he was a cameraman sometimes yeah throughout the documentary is what it sounds like uh so that's why, because he took all the money. Ouch. Yeah. So to follow up with that, I asked Michael, I let him know we were going to talk about this a little bit and asked him if there's just anything beyond that that he wanted to say. And he said, nothing to add on my end other than everyone will still get their stuff. And he apologized for the delays, and he wants to thank everybody who has shown

patience through this whole ordeal. He just wanted to make a documentary and let people see it. I didn't sign up for FBI drama. Um, and then he said, if you want, there's plenty of info out there on the case that you could look up, but he's not going to say a lot more on that right now.

Most important part here, he said, and of course you guys will still get a screener to review once all the bullshit has passed yeah that is the key takeaway we get that digitally because i might be out of the country at that time oh yeah yeah well i imagine it will be won't it or won't i don't even know i haven't gotten a lot of screen? I don't know. Maybe they'll say this is a DVD. I haven't gotten a lot of screeners. I don't know how that works. Lately, I haven't. I didn't know what screener meant for sure the first time you said that.

I think it's a VHS. Just the hardest thing to pirate in this day and age. Yeah, that would be it, too. Like, if you want to make some shit that you cannot get ripped off, VHS that shit. Who has that VCR? Fuck. I can't watch it, let alone copy it. So that's pretty crazy.

Yeah. And I would say for sure, you can't get into something like that, one, expecting to get rich, right? So if you're this guy who now you're, like you really do have to expect that you're going to do that thing just to create a documentary.

Oh yeah. It's like a labor of love at the end of the you hope and you hope that people see it yeah and i i that is the thing like you only did this for the sake of it existing so people can enjoy it and then it's like what the fuck yeah like now literally the one thing you wanted to do it's probably ready to go and you can't even do it that would fucking really really really and it's not like everyone a lot of money and then everyone hates you then yeah yeah and then you're the one that's got to be out in front of it eating all the shit because the other guy can just be the bad guy yeah it's okay yeah but he's got to be there

like no i'm really sorry that sucks that's a really shitty uh that does shitty way for that to play i wonder if uh it's building building more interest in the movie, though, at this point. It could generate. I mean, you would think by the time it comes out, it's generated some additional media for it. Or if it just ends up being this cursed film. That could definitely be it, too. There's 37 deaths in the making of this. It becomes like the drummer from Spinal Tap.

Yeah. I'm guessing it probably will be, but now I hope it's good because I really want to see it. Yeah, yeah. Like if you saw it and it wasn't, you'd be like, ah, that's what this is all about. Yeah. But no, I bet it, I'm optimistic that it will be. I just, there's really no indication of how long it's going to be though. It's not saying like, and I'm sure he's not going to be putting out any dates at this point in time you pretty much can't yeah thank

god he never did before yeah you know oh yeah because even then with there being like a nebulous like it's coming and then it doesn't come like at least it's not like you said february yeah yeah though i'm sure there were some promises made somewhere to people with the paid there must have been through the kickstarter because that's where i see people getting getting the most upset uh one other thing i was going to ask as long as i have it up here is we uh put out the last of uh the survey questions that was the last one yeah the uh so far survey 1.0 nothing to ever look forward to again it's pretty much your wedding's over the surveys results are over you mean wait a minute you mean that

people arguing that we didn't put people on a list that we did that we didn't make that we just asked people to say names and then they're mad at us criteria that they may or may not have interpreted correctly it's surprising how many people don't read the little bit of text that is there. They're like, yeah, let's go on, though. Yeah, we're jumping ahead of you. We can get into the comments a little bit, but just about the results. Were you surprised at all by the results? I guess the question here was, who is the best male powerlifter today?

question here was uh who is the best male power lifter today who is the best raw male power lifter today not specified by country actually we should just read that we should just read the caption in its entirety yeah we surveyed 50 of the best u.s raw power lifters and asked them who they think the best raw male power lifter is today who do you all think what do you all think of the results i feel like that was pretty clear who the survey pool was and what they were asked to respond and it was relatively concise like and if you want more detailed you know there's a bullet point in yeah it's it's there's more fine print in the graphic if you need to do that but there was a seem to be a lot of more confusion than i anticipated that there would be the funniest comment i got so and so should be the funniest comment i got a lot

is uh since when is yuri belkin us right it doesn't say anything about the best um it doesn't say surveyed you yeah and that's that's what i tried to tell people i was like well we surveyed us powerlifters because most i mean you, I don't believe Yuri speaks great English. He's going to. Yeah. And they'll probably get lost in translation. We know Andrei Milonichev doesn't speak any English. So we couldn't ask him.

Right. But so the results were, and they were only select what some of the people suggesting other people that they feel like were snubbed off the list. What you have to remember, these people aren't giving us a list of their top three or their top five they're just saying the only reason there's a list here is because people pick different ones like yep they just asked to pick the one best one in the world which means 43 of those people and you said today you said today yes you didn't say of all no no we had that that was a prior one yeah but 43 of those people picked. And you said today. You said today. Yes, today. You didn't say of all time. No, no. We had that.

That was a prior one. But 43% of those people said that Uri Belkin is the best raw male powerlifter today. And you kind of, in a way, have to agree with him. You could make the argument for Milanochev, who was tied in second. But also, Milanochev hasn't been doing a lot of meets lately. So he's kind of. As of lately, it's been a rough year too. There's not as much of him to see right now. And the other thing to keep in mind,

some of the people surveyed did respond back with a question before an answer, and they said, what do you mean by the best power lifter? Do you mean just by who has the best total? Who has the best Wilks? Who do I like the best? And I said, however you interpret the word best today. Because so many people will say, well, this Wilks is this. And for some people, that answer is their favorite.

And I want to know what the best of the 50, what the 50 best there are. Who they think is the best. I want to know who they think is the best. Not best by someone else's criteria. Right, right. Who do you think is the best? Personally, I was a little surprised to see Uri's numbers that much higher than... Much of a disparity.

So he was 43%. Then there was two tied at second with each 17%. So a big drop off there. And that was Andre Milanochev and Ray Williams. Yep. Larry Wheels tied with 9% with him and others. Yeah. And then 5% picked Eric Lillibridge.

Now, the thing that I thought was interesting is there was a lot of people like, well, Ray Williams, how many of these other people are drug tested? I was like, was not a part of the criteria. It was just human beings lifting weights. Yes, exactly. It is what it is.

And some of the people surveyed probably took that into account and picked Ray Williams for that reason. Some of them probably didn't take that into account but that was it was just to see who they thought was the best but what about vlad what about this what about brad castleberry what about brandon allen what about josh morris and dan green what about so take that those are good good examples take uh brand Allen and Dan Green. We would all agree they are two of – some of the best powerlifters in the world. Probably put – I don't know how long of a list you –

but if you had a list of the top ten, I imagine they're both – Between the two of them, they've got the best hair. For sure. Hair, beard, combos. But this isn't a ranking of the top 10 best this is just how many people are going to say that brandon allen is the number one best power lifter in the world you know because if you just look at super heavyweights does he have the you know does he does he total more than ray or milanichev or you know i can see where you look at yuri belkin because then there's a different weight class or yeah like

i'm saying if you're just if you think super heavyweights are the best then you have to look at who's the very best in that my favorite and get your one vote yeah my favorite thing about this dynamic though is that like it's like, hey, you asked 50 people for what they thought just subjectively. What do you feel about this based upon your credibility within the sport? And now I want you, Massanomics, to defend these other people's opinion. And it's like, I don't fucking know. We asked the question.

Here was the results. Like, if we could just make up our news it's like guys we've done this before we make up our own lists and y'all are still mad at us so we asked somebody else that was the perk of this is like and it's like we can do it like i don't know yell at all of them are you at all the really best power lifters in the world because they're the ones that that made the and they all total more than you so i don't know what you think you know who didn't jump our shit asking if we why brandon allen wasn't on this list or dan green was brandon allen or dan green or uh so dan bell wasn't an answer he's another person that could have been there oh yeah he liked the post he didn't uh you know eric lillibridge liked it he didn't say hey

how do you put larry wheels above me because i mean he's got an art i'm sure he could argue that and he looks that and he he he probably thinks that but i think even receiving votes at all yeah right of the 50 top five percent of them were like you are the one yeah i would think that would be honor enough but yeah it doesn't work for people that don't do things right but overall you know comprehensive it comprehensive, it's a pretty good. The five guys that got the most votes. Yeah, I don't think there's any surprise of any of those. The biggest surprise would just be like, oh, Yuri got a pretty big piece. I was surprised at how much of a piece Yuri got.

Yeah. But I only, in my head, and this is just me maybe being following too casually i just only think of him as a big deadlifter i guess i don't see i think he benches close to six yeah so i just i just i see his deadlift is so transcendent yeah strong that like you can almost just ignore some things that are right up there right you know and that's probably that's probably the things that the top lifters in the world are not missing yeah they're like no no no no dude's a bad motherfucker yeah and yeah like just for comparison like him and um kaylor william their deadlifts are pretty comparable but i think

yuri's total is a couple hundred pounds more just because he's so much better across the other list right and it is interesting too i've never released and not going to release the names of the people that we did survey because then you could start to look and be like, hey, you got surveyed and you didn't vote for me. Or why did you survey this guy? Yeah, right, right. But if you looked at it, there were non-USA people that voted for ray williams and there were usa people usa pl people that voted for non-yeah yeah across you know so i thought that was interesting it's not like i don't think people were being homers or anything like that they it's more the other people that are concerned

about that than those guys themselves i never see a lot of the like the big yeah like the big like usa pl homers i never see a lot of the big USAPL homers. I never see a lot of the USAPL people who are really good, or the IPF people who are like, man, fuck all these other federations. It's not like that. It's some just dude who kind of lifts. No, if we talk to Dan Bell and Ray Williams, they both talk about how much they like each other,

and how awesome that guy is. I think Dan Bell said it before. He's like, Ray Williams is a fucking bad other. Yeah, and how awesome that guy is. I think Dan Bell said it before. Yeah, he did. He's like, Ray Williams is a fucking bad dude. Yeah, right. They're not like, well, he's in the USAPL. And you know how they are. Yeah, like we've never,

you never hear that from anyone on the top. No, no, exactly. Dan Green, he's maybe someone I'm surprised didn't get a vote, maybe, if you ask me. But the caveat is today. Like surprised didn't get a vote maybe if you ask me but what i think that caveat is today like when last night right like he hasn't done a full meet in exactly years maybe maybe more so i think that that it's the question is what's the best team in the nba right now this right here it's not uh it's not the 1996 i don't fucking know what to tell you be like well i mean yeah but lebron didn't have to,

Jordan didn't have to pass the ball to all his fucking role players to hit big shots for him. Like, dude, I just asked a question about today. I don't fucking know. Some people just always have to take it back to something argumentative. Yeah. But I do like, who commented on that?

I liked it a lot. I think it was Derek Gray. He commented on that it was i liked it a lot i think it was derrick yeah he commented on there like like in all caps can anyone fucking read anymore like under all the comments and you said usually people are too busy trying to find something wrong yeah that's the truth that's the honest to god truth so we've but you know we post a lot of stuff that's got a lot of information on it so it's easy to like have one thing that's maybe not perfectly correct or something like that and people will find it like it doesn't matter what it is very matter-of-factly they will find it like asterisk

it's t-h-e-i-r and they might have like the only official record of it too like yes it's not public domain like this stuff's out there so i saw this guy doing his garage one time you're wrong so And they might have the only official record of it, too. It's not public domain. There's stuff out there. I saw this guy do it in his garage one time. You're wrong. So that's a good point, actually, something like that. And I'm glad someone pointed this out. So the last lifting legend we did.

It is almost impressive how some people do know this stuff. Yeah, the last lifting legend we did was Mark Henry. And the bullet I put in there was uh highest combined super total in uh history 3 219 pounds that is not correct i looked it up before i did it i didn't purposely like just make it up yeah i wasn't like putting in the wrong information i saw it on wikipedia for one like of course everyone that says that's the biggest at one point in time and i even looked up looked up uh misha koklyavs and on the site i found at one point in time he was right under mark henry later on like a few years later he outdid him by a

few pounds yeah and like in the site that i looked up it just had his older one and still had gotcha henry above him but someone a couple people spotted that right away you know it's like how does everyone know all these obscure yeah like people are fans of the super total yeah right and people are on it like that. So Mark Henry has the second best super total of all time. The number's right. Yeah. The ranking is wrong. Henry's powerlifting total was higher.

Misha's weightlifting total was higher. And I think he ended up being about 30 pounds better overall. Okay. But Mark Henry is pretty impressive. It is when you look at it. It is when you see those. Mark Henry in the world of strength is like, he's like one of the dudes. Yeah.

As much as we give him shit for being a bad announcer. Yeah, because he's not good at that. In the world of announcers, he's not one of the dudes. He still is a bad announcer. But like he's the dude and like he really is. Like I remember when i first started even lifting i don't know where i was looking through things i was seeing mark henry's numbers and i was just like what in the fuck yeah like this shit doesn't even look real and growing up i only ever remembered

him as the professional wrestler that's all i ever knew and and one who wasn't that good at that either. But I liked him then. He was the champ in 2011. He was the champ once. But that was, like, his numbers astonished me when I first started lifting. I couldn't even believe that. I was like, that's fucking real. Yeah. And another fun one is when you Google the slam dunk contest. Was it the celebrity slam dunk contest? Or what did they do?

I don't know. Somewhere on the internet years ago. And they're like, oh, yeah, check out Mark Henry and his slam dunk contest. I what did they do? I don't know. Somewhere on the internet years ago. And they're like, oh, yeah, check out Mark Henry and his slam dunk contest. I'm like, that's the dumbest thing. Like, what is the point of it? That's so stupid. And then the first year he was in it, I don't know if he got a clean dunk off. But the first time he actually palmed the ball and just jumped up and hung on to the rim.

I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. How did this happen? And if you look at it, you're like, well, he does squat. Yeah. And I think the next year it was either his first or second try. He went up there and dunked the ball right away. make any sense like how did this happen if you look at it you're like well he does squat yeah and i think the next year it was either his first or second try he went up there and dunked the ball right away yeah it's like all right yeah he probably weighs 350 380 doing it yeah but he did it a true lifting legend yeah that's the dude yeah he's i he having him on that list amongst all like he definitely is probably among the top half of all the people we'll have on that list.

Yeah, just because of how high he excelled at how many different things. It's really impressive. And how he did it later. So there was some guys in the like 70s when World's Strongest Man was starting that had that Olympic weightlifting background. And then World's Strongest Man won it once or twice. But Mark Henry didn't win world's strongest man he won the arnold but still you know it's 1a you know 1b or whatever yeah but he did it like in the 90s or the 2000s when like that pool of strong man's a lot more developed than it was in 1975 i think you know when it's not uh lou ferigno you're competing against,

where it's actually like... Yeah, it's not bodybuilders. Right. You got muscle. Get in the party. Right. Speaking of totals, CrossFit Games was this weekend. What's your five-word review of it, Tyler?

Tanner has the counter out right now. mostly not interesting to watch okay and here's that different than your review of most crossfit games yeah actually um i i like things about it there's some things about it that they did to make it not i do think those things made it a good test for fitness like like the diversity of what fitness can be, right? Like all over the place. But what it made was some shit that was not that cool to watch. Like a marathon row. Three hours of people rowing.

42,000 meters. So the camera was just pointing on people sitting on rowers? There was 80 people sitting in a stadium on a rower for fucking four hours that's not primetime tv yeah and so so like if you're like trying to go to this fucking sports bar and be like hey crossfit game we put that on and everybody else is going to look at you like why are you watching this is really fucking stupid and and i actually watched most of it i had about half of it on during the gym, and then there was another class going on after I was done coaching,

so I went next door to the bar and just drank beer and watched the rest. Would they cut to the screen so you could see how far they are? Some of the screen stuff, and they kind of had everything linked together, so they had these fake little... Oh, you could see how far, like who was winning the race. But more like a Nintendo graphic. And it'd be a chart moving at like very slow yeah but that's kind of how that was so that i thought was a one i think

is a good test when you compare to the other things like i mean run a marathon like that's a fucking pretty that's an extreme end of the fitness things you can do. So when you talk about the diversity of what fitness can be, that's testing one extreme domain. They did the CrossFit Total, which is basically one rep max, back squat, deadlift, and strict press overhead, which is that basically what the Repito meets were. Were they no bench? Wasn't that a strict press?

Yeah, that was it. So how did they do the strict press? Was it a strict press? It was how did they just how did they handle that legs could not knees could not move at all they would just there was a judge right there and they'd say yeah and they also couldn't really did there was a couple that like camille leblanc bosnia got away with fucking like well she i think they pulled it from pulled the rep from her but she literally because you only got three attempts so you couldn't try one and then try again like so she basically pressed one just kind of launched up to her eyeballs and then pulled it down and bounced it back up and got it we're like what the fuck is

this you know i was like whatever that is ain't strict yeah um so how did they have a certain because in a powerlifting meet you rotate through everyone to do your three times did they just have a certain amount of time the The time thing is the thing. When we look at these numbers, we're never going to have – we will not know what that context is like, you and I. So they had four minutes to take three attempts on the back squat. That's not a lot of time at all. And they had to load their own weights. For max effort and loading their own weights.

They had to load their own weights. And then they moved on to the strict press. And they had, like, immediately, once that four minutes was up, then they could leave that platform, go to the other platform, and spend four minutes. So would someone load weights? They'd have to load it themselves? I would, like.

That would suck. I would warm up as much as possible and plan on taking, like. One, maybe two. Yeah, I wouldn't be taking three attempts. For sure on the squat. Yeah. The deadlifts, the last one I'd burn out that'd be whatever yeah i wouldn't plan on taking three attempts on anything if i like i'd start closer to my set you know i'd start at a second probably not going

in with that breezy opener yeah yeah because of the time yeah and anything go wrong so was this so collectively was there 12 minutes then that this all happened so you literally walk to the other platform put your weight on the bar then and then go that was 12 minutes then that this all happened? So you literally would walk to the other platform, put your weight on the bar then, and then go. That was 12 minutes to max out. Running from one side of the bar to put a plate on, running to the other side and put a plate on. Mid-burn a minute, do a rep. And so it was really, really, really interesting to see.

And I was actually talking with Julian Pinoa about this yesterday or the day before after having seen it. There's other events at the CrossFit Games, too, with which they did a lot of strongman stuff. There's yokes and some sled drags and some other things. On the yokes, the women at the CrossFit Games were using basically the same yoke weight that they used in the middleweight women's nationals last year, which is really impressive. And the men were getting buried by some weights that were still heavy, but they struggled with it way more than the women.

What did the men have on theirs? Don't even remember. Like over 500? Like six something. So it's still a big weight. Yeah, it is. When they were squatting, were very many of them low bar squatting? There was only a couple that were low, a lot of high bar squats.

So here's some of the numbers. Yeah, I want to hear these totals on this. Now, the ratio, this is the most interesting thing that I talked to Julian about. The women in CrossFit continue to get stronger every year, and the numbers that we're seeing are like what in the fuck? numbers that we're seeing are like what in the fuck it's it's it's it gets the the general say the top 10 strength numbers continue to go up every year the men are literally either the same or going backwards like literally some of the same men are less capable at strength than they were so the like women and men are responding very differently to this type of training which is interesting yeah um now

here's some of the women's numbers just say the the total number isn't going to be that relevant because it's this press yeah it doesn't matter but let's go to just the back squat right the women four women tied at 330 pounds most of those women weigh between 130 and 160 pounds yeah yeah that's a big squat yeah it is um and that's not an exclusive part of their training like powerlifting you know it's just one of the extra movements they do right like 29 of the 40 women were over 300 pounds in the back squat, which is pretty impressive. The men, only one squat at 500 pounds. Really?

Matt Fraser was 485. It was second place. Scott Panchik. Scott Panchik, like one of the lightest dudes out there, had squatted 500. That surprises me a little. I was going to guess there was some even close to 600. Yeah, I would have guessed basically okay did they do something before this event or was this yeah they did lots of shit so they did they

did but well not no they only did the bike event which i'll talk about why i think that was stupid later ask me about that but so they only did the bike event and maybe like one other oh and 30 they did a 30 ring muscle ups for time which I think will mostly still just affect your shoulder strength. Overhead press. But being able – now, you've got to remember the body type to be able to do 30 ring muscle-ups in less than three minutes is going to limit – How much you can do.

That's going to filter out the person who could squat 700 pounds. Right. So there is something about that, but it didn't seem to filter out the strongest fuck women. Yeah. right so there is a something about that but it didn't seem to filter out the strongest fuck women yeah so that's what i think is interesting like all of the men i mean josh bridges only squatted 315 what that seems what there was four men like there was four men at the i can't imagine that you have to like you want to think like there was some strategy involved to only hitting 315 i hope that doesn't make any sense there was

um four men who did not even squat 400 um more than half of the field about two three quarters of the field was under 450 see i just would have assumed if you would have asked me like what was the bare minimum squatted i would have said everyone hit 405 yeah like that's what i would have said yeah and and that's just not the case and basically if you if you take 455 and under so anyone who squatted more than 455 there was only six people wow in the men that's not that i mean frankly i have it's a cup i have it i'm surprised that that's not that much. I mean, frankly, I have a cup. I'm surprised that that's not higher. So that's where we're trying to figure out. I think that training bias, they're explosive.

A lot of them still could clean and jerk fucking like 350. Yeah. And so that's pretty impressive. But for some reason, just that static strength is not present. And it does have something to do i think with you know body mass because they're just yeah guys but seeming to filter out so what is just surprising though i'm just having a hard time what what were the overhead presses like were they i mean are those good then because that's close i mean they do that's even like are they are they are most of them over 200 some of the yes. That was impressive until they weren't.

The women were really impressive, again, though, on the overhead press. Because a strict press for women is fucking champ. All upper body. Yeah. But there was four women over 150. One hit. Carrie Pierce hit 155. I mean, that's like a body weight strict press yeah yeah most of them

were near body weight um more than half of the women's field was over 130 three quarters the field was over 125 seven eighths of the field was over 120 that's significant overhead weight for women. Yeah. The men, 240 strict was the number one. And then you get... Which I think that's based from the squat to the... I wouldn't even guess 240 based on how the squats went. And then about half were over 200. Between 200 and 225. There's only one higher than 225.

What was the lowest? Between 200 and 225. There's only one higher than 225. What was the lowest? There was like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 men that were at 170. I thought for a second you were going to say like 135 or something. The thing about it though is one of them was including Rasmus Anderson, who's like a big guy. He's like 6'1", 6'2".

Like 170? I mean, I'm'm sorry but you're an adult man who competes and fit 170 is not it who's like a professional 170 is not the number for sure so i that that part was interesting especially again considering how explosive they can be and what they can get overhead um deadlifts the women uh this is crossfit so no sumo allowed no sumo allowed one two three i remember last year there was in that pyramid some of them went over 400 like yeah but that was with like yeah yeah right right um but this one there was one two three seven eight women over 400 pounds right that's here to me and brooke wells were both at 415 those are big and now and now you more than half of the field was over 350

that's good all and all but two were over 305 pounds that's a lot of weight for those women yeah that's all basically all of them are more than double body weight yep the men patrick velner had the top one with 595. Well, that's good. That's a good deadlift. And for being 12 minutes in now, and this is your third event you've tried to max out. That's super respectable. You start looking at the ratio, though, right?

595 on the deadlift. His squat, 455. He had to be one of the better guys in the whole total then, I would think, right? Yeah, I think he won it. Okay. I think he won it. Let me find the top. Total, he got second by five pounds.

But so... Like how many were over 500? Most of them? Or like half of them? Half. Half. A little more than half was over 500. Most of them?

Or like half of them? Half. A little more than half was over 500. Only though, only five was over 550. Okay. What was the lowest there? 435, Josh Bridges again. He's small.

Yeah, he's the smallest one. He's smaller than a lot of the women. Better mustache though than lot of the women that's better mustache than most of the women but so that's uh that 595 deadlift is probably the most impressive one out of all that was a big one he's not a huge dude so what like sam dancer wasn't there this year i think he'd have pulled six and a half for sure but um yeah but so the deadlift wasn't bad considering the size of the guys i'm surprised most yeah i'm surprised most of the bunches they olympic right that's exactly right like it's i know it's not olympic lifting but that's a core of like their training for a lot of them and like for olympic lifters the squat is one of the yeah you see videos all the time on instagram of olympic

lifter doing whatever for reps right super impressive yeah i think what's they are not olympic lifters true that's yeah that's yeah and so they did a they did what did they they do here 1200 meters per lap 10 laps so they bike like they did like an eight or nine mile bike course so what what type of bike like we're talking like tour de france style bike here they call it crit bikes i don't know what the fucking deal was but it was here's my thing this is one of my complaints about the deal is they made it they did it last year they did like a cycle cross event where what they did was had it was like this big long fucking course and they split it up into heats and like if your chain fell off or something

mechanically broke on your bike yeah like you had to go all the way back to the other deal to get a different bike or get it fixed or something so this is where you start introducing potential mechanical problems to a sport that's only supposed to measure fitness like truly just output and i think that's they start fucking up with, like truly just output. And I think that's, they start fucking up with this. There was one person whose chain fell off and Patrick Felner, who got second in the games, um,

second or third, second overall, but he got like 20, 29th or 30th in that fucking event because like his fucking chain just fell off. It was a mechanical thing. Noah Olson's pedal just broke. And so he had to get off at a spot somewhere and get switch bikes. And it's like, come on.

So there's a world full of people out there that will tell you that NASCAR is a sport. Whatever. But so why don't they introduce driving cars into the CrossFit? Yeah, exactly. It's like, well, maybe because there's too much other things that go into it mechanically that maybe isn't the fucking point of testing just fitness. So while I don't like some of it to be so much static equipment thing like the rower, at least with the rower, there's just one very proven reliable piece.

There's no other variables. Like did any of those break? No, the last time like in 2000 i don't remember how long ago it was but it was a long time ago they did back in like jason kalipa's era he's the one i remember but they they did a half marathon row which was up to that point the most boring thing that ever happened and and they did that and i think camille's monitor camille was either her someone else monitor just cut out which means i'm sorry that you've been rowing for an hour and 45 minutes and you've been working really hard but now you get last place because there's nothing we can do that would right like See, that's where you start introducing too much shit.

It's like just do the doing and limit your risk to shit like that because that's some bullshit. Because if you train for that all year and that's like the one thing you do and it's because the equipment. And like you have a shot at some legit prize money. And prize money and probably. Fortunately back then there wasn't a dick for money available. but nowadays though i mean like something like that could and who knows what besides just the prize money like if you go from getting if you're gonna get first and you

end up getting fourth like imagine all the other money that you just lost out on because because of that so the events though were this way it was the the fucking bike thing dumb 30 muscle ups for time which is just like a burner gymnastics burner sprint they that was there's people finished that in under two minutes i think quite a few crossfit total which was a cool event i like that event it's cool to watch cool to see the results were interesting how it was split up it's always tempting for us to be like you well, I could have had the top squat bench and deadlift. Fuck all them guys.

Couldn't have done any of the other stuff. Couldn't have done a single muscle up and would have definitely got hurt on the bicycle. And I would have literally quit the CrossFit Games as soon as they announced the marathon. So they rested Thursday. Friday was a workout where they had to drag a dude, two rope climbs, run an obstacle course,

two rope climbs, and drag a dude. One of my favorite events that they do is they'll do speed ladders, either clean and jerks or snatches or something. They did a clean and jerk speed ladder where basically they go in heats and you go as far as you get. They started with 155 for women, 155, 160, 165, 170, 175. And for time, you just have to clean and jerk it once, move forward to the next one and go. If you get bogged down or you don't finish in time, then you don't move on.

But the women, last one went all the way up. The top weight at the end was 225 pound clean and jerks for women. And lots of them finished. And one of them, fucking a couple of them who finished it were still just would still off the floor power clean and just power jerk didn't even have to like do the whole thing just boom 225 like that and i know lots of grown men who cannot do that yeah yeah and the men's weight all the way up to 345. So, like, that's some fucking big dog weight for guys that are squatting 450. Yeah.

That are back squatting 450 and strict pressing 200 pounds. Yeah, just the workload of how all those reps add up. You can tell how far ahead they are on a lift like that. Yeah, to, like, to fucking push jerk or fucking split jerk 345 when you can only strict press at the most 225, 200, 225. Or squat 450. Yeah. Like you're whole race.

Yeah. Like I, this is, so here's an interesting dynamic. I can strict press about 315. I can push jerk kind of about 380. That is a very low percentage difference when a lot of these guys probably are getting close to what I can fucking push jerk and can strict press 100-some pounds less than me. So that's a level of explosiveness and speed that I do not possess.

That's crazy. But the women, again, were far more impressive in that. They just decisively boom, boom, boom. And, and it was nuts. Um,

there was a kind of a cool workout of handstand pushups and huge double kettlebell deadlifts. I think there were 200 pound kettlebells in each hand, five, eight, and 13. And they'd have to overhead lunge some weight. Um, then there was a swim paddle run event where they had to paddle like on a paddleboard.

That was like, it's like somewhere else. So it's not that interesting to watch yourself yeah um then there was a cool event that they did where they did not tell the people how many reps or cows that they had to do ahead of time they claim the games is to get you ready for the unknown and unknowable and but so often it's like okay well we know there's going to be snatches and we know there's going to be running and there's going to be swimming somewhere and then there's going to be handstand push-ups the cool thing about this was you went up to like the skier or you went to start doing your burpees to bar your overhead squat or your single leg squats and you didn't know how many cows or reps you had to do so when did you find out they told you when you were done oh which fucking fucks fucks those people up how

do you because those people are so good at producing 85 output and maintaining it forever yeah that's the because they don't redline they don't do that because then it's over but they are very tuned up and they can just go so they're going in going they have to start skiing it's like do i just go to light do i just break neck pace this thing because what if it's any sport that's a really interesting concept what if it's 200 what if you don't know and so i really really fucking like that event and i hope they do something like that lots of times in the future because that is very cool. And then I hope they stretch it out

because a lot of these things were still moderate reps. They were all middle of the road, 35, 30, 45, 40. And then at the end, they had to do 25 box jump where you jumped on the box and go to the other side. But the men's height was 42 inches. Most of those men are about 42 inches tall. And then they had to pull a tumbler, 400-pound tumbler, 110 foot. And that's what we saw with the Sputnik straps pulled over their shoulders.

It was basically kind of like a truck drag with a little weird sand dynamic with it. A snatch bar muscle-up workout. Another snatch chest- bar pull up workout, um, 300 meter run, biking, sled pulls, handstand walk event, yoke carries after peg boards and thrusters, like lots of yoke carries, add weight, yoke carries. So lots of strong man stuff, only three events, three or four events had barbells in it at all, which is always interesting when people throw the whole, you know, you don't do enough fucking barbell work in your CrossFit gym. I was like, well, you don't do enough yoke carries, deadlifts, fucking dragging,

like rowing, squatting, pressing, you know, all that stuff. You don't ride bikes often enough apparently yeah so that uh and all in all it was cool i thought it was a good um a good balance of the things some of them though were just not meant to be spectator friendly either in person or on tv which i guess if you want to make like the test fitness, it's not about the test of the most watchable fitness. But goddammit, it should be watchable. Because otherwise you're only doing it for 80 people. And that's not a good business model.

Did Matt Fraser win? Matt Fraser won. Tiatumi won. So they've won the last two years. What's his lead? Yeah, he could have not even done a single rep the last two years. Has he won like three in a row now? Three in a row.

And second two years before that, the two years before that in a row. And they weren't close to him again? No, I mean, Vellner was like 140 points back or something like that. And it would have been different, I suppose, things went on had Vellner not had the bike meltdown in the first event. But all in all, the way like Arm and hammer put it he said matt fraser is going to continue to win the crossfit games until he chooses to no longer do so and that's kind of the way it is when he's done he'll be done but like nobody's fucking touching him every

finish was like second place third place fourth place second place fourth place fifth place like you can't be that close to the top of everything, be that well-rounded, and not win a thing that's like that. Yeah, it wasn't a lot of huge takeaways for me on the women's side. It was kind of how everybody expected it to be. If you had to put money, you had to put money on Fraser and Toomey winning, and that's how it played out. But I liked it. It was a cool test.

I would like to see the crossfit total i would just like to see that as a measuring stick every year would be so cool i think you'd probably see people start to push that more than you know well i would think at least that was the first time they tested like really like the full dynamic of top end strength for them and i would like to see that type of thing happen more often because they don't always do it. It's always something very technical when they do that, like the Olympic lifts. And you can see they're much better at being technical and precise with heavyweights than they are at just doing heavyweights. So, yeah, it was cool.

Stay tuned. I would recommend watching the ESPN version, the 90-minute condensed version, not the five-day-long version. Right. That's much more palatable. They'll find a way to make a marathon row worth watching. But I think that has us about topped out for our time today. I like it.

We cross-fitted the shit out of that ending. Mm-hmm. Do we have anything else to cover, guys? Don't think so.? Don't think so. I don't think so. The next episode will be the final pre-Strongman episode.

With a huge announcement coming up. There is a twist ending. And that Shyamalan movie up in here. You don't even know. He was dead the whole time. Kind of. So, but thanks a lot for listening, everybody.

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