Massenomics Podcast - Ep.127: Should Larry Wheels Try Strongman?

Episode Date: September 10, 2018

We weigh in on the "what would happen if Larry Wheels tried strongman" debate.  We don't know if it will ever happen, but it would sure be fun to see it.  We also talk about the idea of financing gym equipment purchases with monthly payments.

M-M-M-M-M-M-M-Massanomics Welcome to Massanomics, the world's strongest podcast. Find us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter at Massanomics. Make sure you go visit massanomics.com. There you'll find the rest of our powerful content. While you're there, check out our store and buy yourself some of that sweet Massanomics gear. store and buy yourself some of that sweet massanomics beer. Hey everybody and welcome to episode 127 of the massanomics podcast. I'm here Tanner and then Tommy is also here today. Just the two of us again. What's up? Just the two of us for two

in a row now. Back in the saddle. Yeah it's becoming like old hat now in our new studio. Yeah. It's getting easier by the day, I think. One day at a time. You are talking about doing some painting in here. Yeah. You know, you don't want to do too many things at once. So we got to get accustomed to the room before we start changing it.

It's like Big Shane says in the gym all the time. You don't want to get too big all in one day. That's right. Yeah. You got to save something for the next one. you don't want to get too big all in one day. That's right. Yeah, you've got to save something for the next one. You can't do them all at once. Yes, exactly. Speaking of too big, I do have a confession to make here. You got too big all at once.

No, I've not had that happen yet. Still working on that one. But this weekend I caught the finals for the World's Strongest Man for the first time on TV. Oh, on TV. Oh, on TV. They were on CBS. Just on CBS. On CBS.

I actually had to do a double take and make sure that my eyes were working correctly. And then they followed it up with the CrossFit finals, too. So it must have been their one Saturday of the year where they knocked out their fitness programming and then right back to golf. I didn't know that that was on. Yeah, I recorded it. So I got it DVR'd. And it was just the finals. It was just the finals.

So did you actually, I can't remember, when we talked about this earlier, did you actually watch it, or was that just like reading stuff? I haven't seen it, actually. So you haven't seen the broadcasted version of it? No, I haven't. I mean, I've seen a lot of videos and stuff,

but I haven't seen the actual, you know, was it the British one or the American? No, it was American. Yeah, yeah. Everything was in pounds. Like, nothing was on kilos on the screen, which is really nice, too. You know, I think things might have been in meters for distance, but that doesn't really matter, you know. But it's just funny, like, because we kind of, you know, got parts of it from Instagram.

And, you know, we talked about it on the show. Like, we knew the results of all the events. But to catch how they edited and everything was was good and it was already yesterday and I can't remember the order of events was the first one the um um because Martins won the first event I believe um see now it's been a while I'm having a hard time and I cannot think oh uh the frame carry oh so it was just to watch that one so tore up like a lot of people's hands yeah um but yeah martinez just like killed that one right it was martinez i think so i don't um no see i'm kind of having a hard time at one point in time i knew in a it feels

like it's been a long time ago already uh who i assume thor and shaw both the decent on that one right yep but uh what about uh janashia i think his hands got his hands tore up really bad yep and he that was one where the camera runs up what about matthias matthias yes matthias yes that is what i meant matthias martinez these these weird sounding yeah. But Mateus, yeah, he just, like, it was like nothing for him. He just flew by everyone. Yeah. And so that was cool to see. So, yeah, your frame carry, the first heat was just, like, stacked.

And then after that, I don't. Well, that's because the first heat is all the, well, they put all the, for the finals, you know, they take two from each of the heats. Like, the first and second guy from each heat make it and then like in the finals they put all the the heat winners together and in a group so like shaw and thor and okay because they all won their heat so they go together in uh like they do the first run or the second run however they that, and then all the second place guys go in that second one. So that's why it's like that.

Yeah, so it was like a night and day difference on watching those. And I'm on the website right now clicking on events just to try to remember what order they went in, and, of course, they're not in any order at all. But I'm just trying to remember here. Like after that they did like the bus pole or whatever. Yeah. Same thing there. It goes about like you'd expect.

And, like, watching a bus pole, it's just, you know, nothing too fast is happening. But, like, Thor and Matthias made it look very easy. The surprising choice of editing was the axle press or the overhead press. A lot of times they edit out a complete event. They pretty much edited out that event completely to the point where it was just – They just show you the results. It was like it would just show a guy with the barbell above his head and be like 400 pounds. And then it'd show someone dropping a barbell in slow motion and then it'd show their picture and say how much they did.

So you almost didn't get to see any of that event at all. That kind of sucks. That one kind of surprised me. It was just an odd choice of editing, especially when it's such a quick event that you could just kind of rapid-fire through those. But, yeah, they almost do the montage approach on that one. I think they usually do that on one event every year. I don't know if it's a time thing because it wasn't an hour-long watch.

The funnest one for me to watch out of all of them was the loading medley. And they had Mateus and Thor go against each other. And they were like mirror images, mirror images of each other, like completely matching up until the very, very, very, the last thing was the safe. Yeah. And even that, they matched except when Mateus set his down, it, like, bounced, and he had to push it back, and Thor was already gone.

And I actually had to laugh because this morning I woke up, I was on Reddit, and someone had posted a GIF of that event, and that was on the front page of Reddit. And then someone commented, like, oh, I actually thought it was the same guy. Like, it was just like a double, someone thought it was like a double, yeah, like a split screen because they matched that close. So, it was just like a double. Someone thought it was like a double. Yeah, like a split screen. Yeah. Because they matched that close.

So that one was really cool to watch. Outside of that, you know, like. Was there a, what was the deadlift? It was kind of like a Jeep kind of deadlift. Okay. And that was. Did Thor win that? Thor won that. Or did he?

No, Brian Shaw tied him, I think. I think they both had 12. Okay. I think J.F. Carone was in second with like 11 or something. That makes sense. He was the winner or the leader, and then Thor went or beat him, and then Brian Shaw went and I believe tied him then. Yeah.

But like that is the one where Mateus just, he had like three reps. And he even said before that event started, he goes, up next is my deadlift. That's my worst event event so we'll see how this goes and that was totally like what his downfall was is he got i think last in that one who were the uh tv personalities um i didn't recognize either one you know they always have like your standard like uh who was the strong the retired strong man uh like i don't even know if it was um let's try and see because they have they always

have your standard like white announcer guy that's on world's strongest and like doing his whole thing and it's like okay yeah he does a good job but uh did they have a woman doing the interviewing yeah and then a woman doing the interviews which is always funny because it looks like a miniature person next to the guys um and i did uh an inside perspective on that is that Kaz has done that job many times before and the best being that interviewer uh and I'm not going to say exactly what he said but when we were at the Arnold this year I asked him if he was he did have a certain yeah opinion on that yeah I asked him if he was going to be doing that for World's Strongest Man again and um the answer is no he didn't do it obviously we're talking about it and he wasn't

there uh but i think he would have liked to do it but oh yeah definitely they uh were not having him and he he had some things to say about that but i won't get into the details but yeah i can't find i didn't recognize i mean i wouldn't be surprised if the one guy what used to be a strongman competitor and i just don't know enough about the sport. But, yeah, he was a pretty big guy, whoever he was. He probably was. I think his name was, like, Eddie Hall or something. No, that doesn't ring a bell to me.

Yeah, never heard of him either. I think Eddie does do the British. And they had, like, he was there hanging out. And so you'd see him in the background or on camera once in a while. Yeah. Yeah. And then speaking of World's Strongest Man. As long as we're on the topic.

There was a topic that I saw pop up a few times this week. Yes. And that is, what if Larry Wheels tried Strongman? It is an interesting topic. To me, it's a really interesting topic. It's a really interesting idea. It is. It is.

And for a lot of reasons. topic it's a really interesting idea it is it is and for a lot of reasons um one because obviously he's such a strong incredible strength athlete yeah um that it always makes you want the same thing like anytime you have a really strong strong man you wonder what if they did powerlifting you know it always makes you wonder but um his training has kind of mimicked or it's had some more strongman elements to it especially with with his overhead press lately. He's been overhead pressing a lot more. Like a lot more. So what do you think? So I guess he overhead pressed 440 is the most recent one I think he did.

And then a strict-ish overhead press. Yeah, strict, yeah. And then Thor, they lifted together like this last week. I think they trained together a little bit. I suppose it's for fun and for social media purposes and everything. And Thor also did a strict overhead press. And Thor being now one of the better overhead pressers in the world in Strongman, I think at one point in time that maybe wasn't a strength of his.

But where we've gotten to now, he's almost as good as the people that are instead of him. Yeah, doesn't really have weaknesses in general. No, no, yeah, basically he doesn't. And he did a strict 440 overhead press, the same weight, and does it a little bit differently than the way that Larry Wheels does it. And I don't know if one's more strict or the other, but they look different. But they looked about the equivalent of difficult where you know neither of them was super easy yeah um you know you couldn't have stacked on 30 more pounds and had either of them strict press it anymore i don't think but yeah that's just weird to think that larry wheels would

be strict pressing about the same amount that half thor does yeah it's kind of hard to like see how that even equates but um and and larry weighs 275 so that's that's the big piece of the puzzle here where there's the the discrepancy so what so the question would kind of be at i think it's safe to say at 275 in my opinion it's safe to say that it would ultimately be hard for larry to be competitive with granted he went out and he and thor strict pressed about the same but uh you know he would i feel like he would have a hard time being competitive at 275 versus these guys that are you would think yeah especially like how low his body fat is right you know even bumping that up a few percent i don't think is going to do anything besides help him right and the biggest thing is larry doesn't know strongman stuff and there would be a big

learning curve of him having to learn all the events i think his strength is there yeah and like i i think his grip's there too like i've never seen him ever talk about deadlift like being an issue. And that's pretty common, like, in powerlifting. You see on the higher end, like, for a lot of people, grip starts to be the issue over strength. And I've never seen Larry ever post anything about that or talk about it. So some of the big kind of events, at least the static events in strongman, overhead pressing, it sure seems like he's there. He would need to learn how to uh clean an axle how to clean a log how to press a log but strength wise i think he's there it would just be a a matter of learning you know some of those technical elements the deadlift he can

deadlift 900 pounds without you know with without straps and yeah i mean that's like without yeah without hitching or anything like i mean that's pretty clean so you to assume he's going to be competitive with the best of them. Right, so I feel like he has no disadvantage there. Squatting, he can squat into the 800 and some pounds. So I think he's not that far off of that. Which that is probably his biggest weakness when it comes to just static strength. You think moving-wise he should be able to. You would think he'd be just as good as anyone.

Because that is probably the biggest benefit of being such a low body fat is that he can just move. Like frame carries. That's what I mean. Like a frame carrier or a farmer's carry with a little bit of training, wouldn't he be really good at that? You'd think he'd be as good as anyone. Yeah. Like you would assume that. It would be maybe a grip thing, like depending on how strong his grip really is at that stuff. Yep. uh it would be maybe a grip thing like depending on how strong his grip really is at that stuff yep uh but then at you know atlas stones another major event where he would probably have a big learning curve there yes and that's where how tall is larry wheels is he six one i think he's

right around there so like that's probably where he's given up the most because now all of a sudden he is quite a bit shorter than most of them yeah but i don't know the biggest limiting factor is his training with strongman stuff i think it would take like at least a year just to even get to where he uh yeah i i agree with that like you can't you know he could he could show up to just some random meet and do fine but to actually like be competitive on a big level like right you need to there is a high level of skill involved with these things you can't just think he's just gonna go in and clean house but yeah no i think he could go against amateurs that also weigh two oh yeah yeah i've been less and he would do pretty good

like he would lose some events to like high level amateurs i think that just really know the equipment and everything but he would be pretty good because he is just stronger than almost every you know i mean his strength would be shocking but because he is just stronger than almost every, you know, I mean, his strength would be shocking, but, uh, to actually, what people are talking about is him competing. That's not what they're talking about. They're talking about actually in world strong competing against the world's

strongest men, super heavyweights. So I think it would be the time of training and then he has to get heavier. Yeah. Like I think he would have to, he could be lighter than those other guys cause he's shorter and everything but uh like jf coron for example he's pretty ripped and he's not extremely tall i don't know if he's maybe six two or somewhere around there and just by judging it my guess is gonna be like five ten maybe but i have no ideas i'm kind of guessing but that would

probably be someone you could compare him to and And we should look up how heavy, how heightened weight of JF. This says JF Corona is six, two. Yeah. And I would have never guessed that. Yeah. Does it say how much he weighs? If he's like 25, this says three 20. And this is according to.

So give or take probably 20 pounds of that. But yeah. So that's where I think Larry would need to be though, is like, I think he'd need to gain 50 pounds probably. Yeah. God, that blows my mind. I always thought JF Crone was actually one of the shorter guys. Relatively, he still kind of is.

But really, as far as powerlifters go, he is a giant. Like 6'2", like 320? Yeah. Man. He's huge. But I think that's where Larry would need to get to is that kind of body weight. Probably. If we're talking about being competitive with a world-strongest man.

I think, yeah, to be his most competitive self. But then how strong could his static strength be at 50 more pounds? Yes, and that's what makes you wonder. Yeah, at 50 more pounds, that's a really big Larry now. It would be. I would love to see it and so we like you said at the beginning we talk about um strongmen what it would be like if they did power lifting and a lot of the times the reason they say they don't is because there's there's not the money in it you know thor has kind of said that

eddie hall has said that yeah that why would i do that you know I can make money in Strongman. So then it makes me think, why wouldn't Larry Wheels go to Strongman? Obviously, he's figuring out ways to make money with what he's doing. I mean, once he comes out with that Strongman programming template, your Instagram feed is over. How I set the Log Press World Record in 1990. The exact program I used to break the log press world record 1999 lincoln bio i wouldn't mind seeing that and it's just an eight-week program like oh that's all you did just eight weeks eight weeks eight weeks lots and lots of

times but so what do you think could the do? Do you think it's something we ever would see happen? Do you think we will see him do strongman ever? I don't know. And because I also feel like Larry does have a really strong, like his image and who he is, his brand, is really tied to his physique. Yes. And, I mean, at 320 320 he'd still have a pretty

awesome physique but it'd be it'd be a very different physique than what he has right now as a strong man it would be an amazing physique oh absolutely yeah like because what was like puginowski like was he i don't you should almost look at that up i don't know if he was 300 you know that that would be a comparison i've seen people make is he'd be he'd be like marius puginowski yeah How do you spell that? I don't know. I've had to look it up before when we've done things. You just got to get a few

letters right. Is he... I don't know what year they're talking here, but this says 6-1-2-62. Right. Now Wikipedia says 6-1-3-13. Okay. It wouldn't surprise me if he was right around 300-ish

while he was competing. So, yeah, if Larry was the same height, and if Larry got up to 300, they would probably look kind of similar. I would think that would probably be the closest physique to that because I don't know if anyone really has a physique like that since him, since Pujanowski. I don't think so.

I don't think before or after yeah so like Larry would be probably the closest thing you would get to yeah to see that like John Paul uh the Icelander he he was pretty ripped you know he did bodybuilding and stuff too but he would I mean he wasn't like Marius I don't think yeah not on that level but that's kind of what he would look like but like you said that would be taking away from just how ripped he really is now yeah because he's done the bodybuilding thing you know like he has proven he can do other things yeah and and there's money to be made in body i i think that money is a motivating factor for larry well it should be because like this is kind of his livelihood like it's not like a hobby he's doing

like 99.9 of people right so he doesn't have to do strongman to make money. Between powerlifting and bodybuilding and his social media following and just everything that he's built, he's got avenues of making money. His program's for $19.99. Exactly, yeah. But I would love to see it, but I don't think we probably will either. Yeah. It also opens himself up to more injury potential.

Oh, for sure yeah and i don't know that he's after that yeah yeah it's probably from a financial and even branding standpoint not in his best interest but it would be really cool yeah it would have to almost be an ego driven thing in order for him to do it just to be like i want to like i think i could do that and i want to prove uh that i could but i don't think we will i would love to though yeah yeah we'll put on the wish list yeah with a thor powerlifting yeah maybe they could just trip yeah it'll be yeah it'll do like an exhibition where thor does a powerlifting meet and he somehow does a world's strongest man it'll be like uh nicholas cage and john travolta in Face Off where they. Exactly.

I think this is what they were alluding to when they made that movie. They're ahead of their time. Maybe we could talk about this next. Oh, yeah. We have something a little special here. Yeah. So what we have on the table, if you're listening on audio, you can't see there. We've got a four pack of beers is actually what we have on the table, if you're listening on audio, you can't see that we've got a four-pack of beers is actually what we've got.

And I don't know, is a Brut Rose a beer, though? Well, I mean, technically it's not a beer. It is a California Sparkling Ale. Okay. And then these other ones are IPAs. Is that correct? Let's see. We have, it says, all right, so we have the Drake's Manufacturing Haze Fluid Control.

One pint, small batch ale for hazy IPA drinkers. Drake's Manufacturing, San Leandro, California. Okay. So I'm going to try. Are you trying the IPA? Yeah, I'm a bit of an IPA guy myself. Not the Brut Rose. Not the Brut Rose.

I'm not, you know, maybe after dinner I'll save that for celebrating this Labor Day. What was the name of the brewery? You said it again. It's Drake's. Yeah. And I'm going to wrap mine in this Mastanomics koozie, of course. You know, I just just i could go get mine but then i'd have to leave you hanging here and yeah i wouldn't know what to do with myself

for that long hmm that does taste pretty good yeah i approve uh but where this the reason that we have this and i'm talking about it right now is this came from uh our friends at nightmare muscle uh mike and ryan are the two guys name that run run that company and they sent us these beers they also sent us uh some of their socks these ball and socks we haven't haven't uh haven't tried those on yet but they sure feel nice and they i like the black and the red look on these yeah mine actually i'm taking them out of the package right now. And I will say packaging is top notch. Yeah.

Like that's not overlooked at all. Nope. And they also sent a shirt, a Nightmare Muscle shirt. So if you guys are watching the podcast, these socks, very cool. Love the design. Yep. I do like their packaging, you know, from us coming from we understand how this all goes. You know, it's the levels of care. Yeah. I do like their packaging from us coming from we understand how this all goes.

It's the levels of care. There's one thing between selling shirts when you just throw it in a box and say, here you go. But a little bit of care kind of makes you feel like they care about the end customer, which we try to do the same thing, and they obviously are here too. So that's always appreciated. And then we have the Nightmare Muscle. No F-U-K-S with a little symbol. They're no fucks given, Nightmare Muscle. No F-U-K-S with a little symbol. They're No Fucks Given Nightmare Muscle.

Very cool shirt. And I like that they have the logo on the back of the shirt. Yeah, for sure. So those guys, they're someone that we've talked back and forth through Instagram before. And they're kind of out there doing a similar thing that we're doing I think part of where the conversation came up about this brewery and why

they sent us the beers is because I think maybe it started over the lift shorts debacle of 2018 where we had to give the give everyone a lesson in why we charge more for the lift shorts than we pay for the lift shorts.

And they kind of backed us up on that because they are out there doing the same thing. They also run a business. Yes, they also are trying to run a business. That is for profit. Yes, exactly. Probably minor profit, but much like us. So they could relate to us, I would say. Then also I was talking to them and mentioned how the two of us both have jobs.

If you're just new to the Mastonomics Party, maybe you don't know that. We don't get to just do this. We both have jobs, and those guys are in the same boat where they both have jobs one of them works at the brewery here uh so they sent us this stuff from his brewery and from nightmare muscle i would give them a follow on instagram if you want to check out their stuff i think it's at nightmare muscle yep and they definitely have a they have a certain vibe that yeah it's a different which is i mean the cool thing about all this is there's a lot of, I would say, there's a lot of companies that they're branding.

It's there. It's stuff. But, you know, they have something. But these guys really have a really cool, unique look. And if you get it, I mean, you get it. Like, they definitely will appeal to you if that's your type of thing. So, yeah, I think they're doing some really cool stuff. And it's kind of fun because they probably compete in the same space as us.

You know, they're selling lifting-related stuff. You know, their quote on the Sox here is deeper than a rep. But, like, and here we are talking about them on our podcast where we sell that stuff, but it's not like a zero-sum game. No, exactly. It's like if you buy something from them, then we're losing out. Yeah, people don't realize that. It's like it's kind of just cool.

Like everyone can – and like I said, we have kind of a different vibe too. Right, right. If we were both doing this – I mean they definitely kind of appeal to like sort of the old school like monster, like crazy monster crazy look, which is really cool. We don't really do that because we don't have the skills and know-how like they do to make that all happen. Two people can exist. Three people. Four people. Whatever.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing here. Yes, exactly. They're a cool company, and we appreciate them sending that stuff our way. Yeah, thanks, guys. I'm going to put these socks to the test soon. And I would say this. I occasionally drink IPAs. You know, my favorite snap that I get from Tanner.

Actually, this probably won't make sense to a lot of people outside the region, but there's a beer in the upper Midwest called Mick Golden Light. I don't think you really find it many places outside the upper midwest unfortunately probably not and uh tanner likes to send snaps saying ah my favorite ipa and which it's just very basic it's i mean it's it's like just a cheap bud light like i guess if at a bigger level um but yeah so so now we do have a real ipa here it's see mcgolden light is probably still my favorite ipa but and but my wife does uh drink ipas pretty regularly and uh she gave me her her opinion on this and she said i could quote her that she thought that this was a really smooth it is it is yep yep and that kind

of falls into the hazy ipa okay um i think it does at least like i've had other high i actually have some hazy ipas in my fridge upstairs, and I would say that it has the same feel to it. See, I like, I. Yeah. It's not quite as bitter as, like, what an IPA can be. Right. Right.

But still, full of flavor. Yep. And actually, if we had to be exact, it's heavily hopped with lemon drop. Oh, God, I can't read any words. Mandarina, Bavaria, Bitter Gold, Idaho No. 7, Simcoe, and El Dorado. And enhanced notes of wheat, passion fruit, orange, and pine. See, I thought I noticed a hint of El Dorado. Well, but you might get that mixed up with the Simcoe sometimes, though.

We're really giving Chad Wesley Smith a run for his money on our beverage talk the last couple of episodes now. Yeah, we are. We're going to have to start like a second and third and fourth podcast, too. We'll have an adult beverage drink. Oh, an adult beverage podcast, an NA beverage podcast. Maybe something else, too, if we come up with it. I believe one of the more recent episodes of theirs I listened to, he mentioned that it was the Juggernaut Podcast Network.

Ooh, okay, okay. It wasn't really a joke either. Well, it kind of makes sense because they have like four podcasts already. They do have four now. Publishing under the same one, kind of makes sense because they have like four podcasts already. They do have four now. Publishing under the same one kind of. Because it's the normal Juggernaut podcast. What's the, I don't remember what the, Jug Life. Yeah, Jug Life.

Then there's his Beers with Chad. Yep. Is he still, I mean, has he actually spun that off into a different one yet though? I don't know if that one has a different. I was going to say, it seems like I just the other day still saw another one publishing to that main feed but and then he's got the one where he talks about sports yep not lifting and now marissa inda started uh yep yep i did see that like a lifting mom i think or something like that it was called so it's we probably won't be going into that territory boy managing four podcasts at that point i think we would not be able to have jobs

no no you couldn't with that like to to put in the effort into like actually making them somewhat entertaining yeah i mean we're just fighting right now to keep this thing going just keeping our heads above water so again thanks guys at nightmare muscle yes um tanner you have something here you kind of being the money man you are you had you had something on the uh on the docket here yeah this does tie into speaking of uh uh having to have jobs i i found something that's having to have jobs. I found something that somewhat relates to my actual job and also related to our typical lifting talk stuff that we do here. And let me find, I did have one or two notes on this,

but the topic is financing programs for equipment is a new thing I saw lately. Where I saw it was through Kabuki strength, uh, Chris Duffin's company that they now offer financing terms through a third party company for their bars, which does make sense. Yeah.

It's kind of a weird thing to think about, um, because I have never seen it before, but people do spend hundreds oh people thousands of dollars on equipment yeah and people finance i mean people finance like anything you go to amazon right now and like right i mean people finance television you know all that furniture i think is a huge thing yeah people find finance um but i what was the name of that i that financing company i was curious curious what that was um well i got it here i think you're too so it's clarna is who they use

and i've never you're gonna give your industry review of how credible they are well i've never heard of them before but i just kind of get the feeling that if uh they partnered with them uh they're probably pretty credible. And what they're offering is you can pay six to 12 months with 0% interest if you qualify. And I'm sure there's an application you fill out, probably pretty basic name, social security number, and all that. And I'm sure they pull a credit report, and that's what they're basing their financing decision. And making sure that you don't owe hundreds of thousands of dollars in overdue money. I'm sure it's score based. So it's pretty simple.

Say if you have like over a 700, then you qualify for their financing. If it's under, then you don't qualify. But is that standard? I just was throwing out a number. But I guess what I do, we look at a little bit more than that. But I assume for what they're doing, that's pretty basic and pretty simple. But just the idea of that, me personally, even at 0% interest. So 0% interest, that means it's not costing you any more than it is to pay it right now.

You're just paying over the course of time. Yep. But I just don't like financing. I don't like... I don't either. Yeah. I mean, it's great. And for people that can and might need to use it or just prefer to use it, especially

at 0%, yeah, awesome. Yeah. I guess if you got really in the weeds, there's maybe things on people pulling credit reports that I think can maybe do stuff to your credit score is that yeah uh yes someone just pulling your credit pulling your credit report just checking it that does ding you so every time someone every time you apply for financing or a credit card or anything like that that does which is your credit score a little like just seems like the dumbest thing ever kind of yes yes and so like just not a huge amount but

like it does and as someone that actually just went through a problem like i just got a new piece of furniture or have it on the way and it was like oh yeah you can do financing it's like yeah you know what that sounds easy like 12 months no interest like let's do that yeah and then it came time to like oh just do this paperwork do this i'm like ah no no i'm just gonna pay for this see that's i we're also looking like I was looking at buying a new recliner. And so you could a lot of like a lot of the places I checked, you could either get zero percent financing for so long or low percent financing or whatever. But if you just paid, you can get it for a lower price. So even there, even though you're getting zero percent financing if you term it oh yeah

yeah typically yeah paying up front because yeah just cash flow so it's still costing you more to term to get it on terms like that and i just i don't know i don't even furniture and and lifting equipment i think are relatable to me in this discussion and i it's one of the things that it's a bigger expense it's not at a house level obviously not it's it's not an automobile level and this kind of falls into that third tier down of expensive stuff that's not a house or car right i mean there's a lot of things that fall in that kind of like 500 to maybe five thousand dollar range yep and that's where they are but it's it's i think it's probably a good program. And if you really wanted something like a Duffalo bar, so if you finance it out over 12 months, you end up paying $50 to $60 a month. That's not that big of a payment.

That's probably something people can do versus throwing out $600 just for a bar. Yeah. It's something that, like for Mastodonics Gym, could make sense because we're on a monthly budget of memberships coming in and you kind of know how many that's going to be. And so maybe if I instead of spending a grand up front, maybe it's easier just to budget out $100 over a month. Yeah, keeps your cash flow a little better if something comes up. But even just the way I am personally, I wouldn't do it. I would just I do the opposite. If I want to buy something that costs a thousand dollars, I save until I have a thousand on me and then just be done with it.

Yeah. Yep. I'm of the same mentality. That's probably not, that's not probably not the norm by any means. It's not, and there's nothing, especially at 0%. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing that. I don't think so either. No. I think that that's okay. And for some people, it could be really beneficial. It could be the way that they do it. Yeah, there's just something that rubs on my conscience about, like, owing money on anything besides, like, a house. Right. If you finance a couch for three years, three years from now, you're going to be like, I'm paying for this couch that does not even seem new at this point at this point it's broke dogs pee all over it your friends have puked on it and

you're still paying money for it like it's a brand new couch yeah that one's tough to deal with it yeah and on top of the barbell so yeah i mean 12 months isn't that big of a deal but no six months isn't a big deal i can see doing it but i don't know i i be with the gym, would be in a position of someone who would really make us use that. And I still don't think that I would because like. Well, because we already have all their bars though. That's the problem. Not the transformer bar. Oh, that's right.

I always have a list of like a wish list. Well, you got to. Yeah. You got to know what's out there in case something, you know, in case like a $10,000 check drops on the desk. You got to know how to burn that immediately, right? Exactly. And that's the goal, to get rid of it. You don't want that just sitting around making interest.

You've got to put that money to work for you. But the transformer bar would be on the list. How much is that one again? $500-ish. Oh, I actually thought it would be worse than that. So really, is the Duffalo bar or the power bar the most expensive one? I would say it's either the Duffalo or the squat bar, if that's for sale now. Oh, really?

I didn't know they had that one yet. Let's take a quick look here. Or, wait, or the deadlift bar. I don't know which one's that. Ooh, new generation squat bar starts at $720. Yeah, so that's your most expensive. And I suppose, depending on your coding, it goes up from there, right? Yeah.

So you could probably have $800 into this one. Because, yeah, they don't have the deadlift bar on here yet. Okay, so, well, and I wonder if that's going back into R&D. Right. I don't know the specifics of it, but I believe at the Kern US Open they used that, and there was maybe some. The most expensive new generation squat bar is the nickel plating yep and that'll run you $799.99 so $800 but as low as $71 a month

with that's what i was and then you do think like oh $71 a month like that's not uh that's not that much you know i can't afford to not have this thing. It would literally be costing us to not buy it. If you told a lot of people your squat could go up for $71 a month, they'd probably be like, yeah, that's fine. I don't think this bar will make your squat go up. Unfortunately, we've learned through every way possible that the equipment probably doesn't make it. I've bought just about every piece of equipment that's been made but none of them have really

but have your total has your total gone down over that i mean i have gotten a little stronger exactly yeah so it probably is from all the you know you have to assume it's due to the equipment and no no personal difference or training methodology exactly but i do think that's kind of cool and i i would be surprised if we didn't see Rogue Fitness. So that was my question. Rogue doesn't have anything like that right now? Not that I know of. If they do, they don't advertise it much.

That's actually really surprising to me because they're the ones selling the full rigs and everything where you could. You could drop $5,000. Oh, you could drop $20,000 easy. I'm sure that they would love to get you on a financing program. That's where financing could, you know, like say a new CrossFit gym is opening up. But maybe, I don't know, maybe like $20,000 plus financing programs isn't something they want to get into as a business model either. Right.

Because that's some pretty heavy-duty stuff too. The thing there is they have to, their credit standard has to be high enough that they're making money, that maybe it's like one out of 100 is going bad. Like they can tolerate 100 of them going bad because they're making enough money on the interest on the rest of them that it works and the margins of the product. Ah, so that'd be a scary one, though, with CrossFit gyms, too, the way they can just bust.

Yeah, right. Yeah, I don't think Rogue's hurting the way they're doing it right now. So, yeah, they're probably in no hurry to change. But I would be curious to see if they ever did do something like that. Or maybe even Titan, I guess. Yeah, Titan or, eh. Elite FTF. I would say Elite would probably make sense, too, because they do sell some bigger things like that.

Right. Huh. We, however, do not yet offer financing programs for massonomics apparel shirts yeah i know but just think if you termed a lift shirt a 22 lift shirt out over 12 months i mean you'd be talking like less than two like about two dollars a month is all it would cost you yeah that's like for the for less than the price of a cup of coffee i mean we'll put it in terms people can relate to yeah uh per month yeah so per day that's like i mean you could just like almost pennies yeah you probably throw away more change in a day so

what what's more important to you like saving saving animals or saving starving kids in foreign countries or getting another Lyft shirt? No. There's priorities. Yeah. So, yeah. I guess. Something we could work on. You need to buy more Lyft shirts, I guess, is what we're trying to get to here.

Still good, Tanner? Yep. It's still smooth. IPA's holding up. Yep. Did we have some results from the tribute meet that we missed, possibly? Yeah. Actually, we were really quick on the horn last week to the point of,

and that was because Boss of Bosses, they literally had them up like the day of. Right. And we were not even a full 24 hours out and saying we couldn't find the results because, yeah, 24 hours out, you can't find them. 24 hours out and saying we couldn't find the results because yeah, I mean, 24 hours out, you can't find them, but they actually did,

um, going back. Yes. Get the results up pretty fast. Yeah. So it's not that we missed, um, the tribute meet results.

It's just, just like you said, we, we just, they, they didn't, didn't exist yet to our knowledge. And we even did cat caveat that when we were talking about world records

that were being broken at boss of bosses, we you know the tribute meets going on here so there might be some uh some stuff out there that were you know that might affect those records or might make other records better than them but so did you find the results yep yep so they are on open power lifting they have the the full beat on there now. So the gal at the top there. So one of the things we said on the last episode, we said Steffi Cohen broke the all-time Wilks men or women in sleeves. Yep. Well, I don't know if she did at first or not.

Maybe she did have that record for a little bit. I think she probably had it first. Okay. But then this, and I don't even know how you say her name is it mariana gasperan gasperin and i see that's it i i i don't know that very well either like we probably should know it since she's one of the if not like the best power lifter in the world you know yeah you could certainly argue that she's the best power lifter in the world i think she. She'd be in the discussion. But she has been up there before, too.

I think they've traded back and forth a few times. Yeah, and actually, I think if you check the all-time rankings, she does have the highest Wilks of all time. So that would be in wraps. So now she has the highest Wilks in wraps and the highest Wilks in sleeves. highest Wilks in wraps and the highest Wilks in sleeves. So it would almost be hard to argue that she's not the best power left her. Yeah.

I mean, and actually, so the kind of the crazy thing too, though, her, um, her all time highest Wilks and I'll, it's hard to keep numbers in mind over audio,

but her all time highest Wilks was with a a 562 squat 275 bench 462 deadlift this last meet her squat was much lower because it wasn't with wrap so 45 but her bench was 286 and her deadlift was 487 which so that bench is 11 pounds better and that deadlift was 12 pounds better than her best meet. Okay. So it makes you see that if she did have those numbers with wraps, like she would have again. Maybe 675. She would have again broke the Wilkes record if she had wraps on that meet.

And she lifts at 130 pounds in the 132 class, so the class above that Steffi usually lifts in, the 123. I don't know why we don't know more about her, I guess, for sure. I'm not sure. I think it's because she's Russian, like a little bit. Oh, yes. Does she live in the United States maybe? I don't know.

She does a lot of meets in the U.S. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, she does meets basically in the U.S. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, she does meets basically in the U.S. or Russia. Yeah. That's pretty much where she's at. Another person in the tribute meet that we hadn't mentioned before then is Jeremy Hurnstra.

He benched 650 pounds, and I would bet that that was in the 242 weight class. I don't know if maybe he lifted bench only. He was talking about doing full power, but I know he kind of had some injury issues. He's had maybe a string of injury issues even here because he was at the animal cage this year, and I don't think he was able to bench like he was hoping to. Yeah. Does it show? he did do a full yeah he'd squat 606 bench 650 deadlift 628 so his bench press was his biggest lift but i just he is pretty awesome yeah he uh he is injured for i don't know what exactly if it's his back or what it is but 650 650-pound bench, I believe that was a world record.

So maybe it's the, I bet it's the 242 bench press in a full meet world record. I'd be willing to bet that's what it is. Yeah, it'd be hard for it to not be. Right. I mean, if we dug around, I don't know if the powerlifting team could find that right now. But everyone would just be sitting listening to us clacking around. So we talked to the guys at Squat to Depth Apparel, and they were there at the meet. And I was curious how the meet went, you know, from their perspective.

Well, especially with, like, a brand-new meet, too. You know, there's always a lot of variables. Right. And he did mention that there was problems with the live stream. They actually shut it down. And did you touch on this yeah well we just i think we talked about it off air is that it shut down for maybe bad commenting yeah i think there was some yeah maybe some trolling or yeah some heckling going on in the live stream but he he said uh at squat to depth they said from an audience perspective that it was awesome that that it was great in person, and the meet itself went really well, and it ran really smooth.

Which makes you think. I mean, they already plan on doing one next year, and so I would imagine that they'll take everything they learned from this one, and it'll only be better. Yeah. I mean, just getting one under your belt is a big hurdle to get over. Yes, yes. And I think we already touched on cc's her big day cc

hulk on what she did the other one was jen uh rostinger she was the first in her weight class to hit a 1000 total so what weight class is she she's in the uh 114 okay so a very lightweight class. He totaled almost 1,020. Yep. So that, I assume, was a world record then. The one other one that I thought was worth noting was Brian Hartsell is his name. He's TrapsLikeMountains on Instagram. He's been seen wearing a Lyft shirt before. He is a monster. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yes. Okay. Yeah, didn't see this one how many followers does he have i'm not very many 2700 i don't know why it's not higher yeah he he's a guy that's right around like a 900 squat and 900 deadlift both and oh that last did you so that was the that was where i i wasn't familiar with him until just kind of scrolling through some stuff randomly i saw his last deadlift attempt did you see that video it looked like a pretty good deadlift to me wasn't it yeah like he didn't get i don't think he got the down call i think is what it was but it was a 903 deadlift i don't know if i've ever seen 903 move up like and it it was conventional. And he's a big dude too.

Like that much weight and move that far that quick. Yes. Like it was for whatever the reason was that it didn't get called. If he has a good day, it makes you think like there's a lot more in the tank. That's the squat to depth guy's comment was I've never seen 903 put down so gently like like he's so strong that to him the you know the weight like he's not dropping it down violently like it just uh is a nice set down yeah and so yeah we got the video loading right now and he is about to he he is a monster too like he god it looks so easy it's a good i mean it wasn't a good considered a good good lift but yeah i don't know if they said maybe soft knees or something

i think that's what it was ah but still i i i'd be shocked if he doesn't have that and more in his next meet yeah yeah i think he's on the way up. And what did he total over 2,200 maybe as it was even? Yeah, his total was 2,243. Yeah. I could see him, you know, breaking 2,300 soon I would sure think. Yeah, because, well, his last deadlift that he actually got was 876. So, I mean, already there he has almost 30 more pounds. 25 more pounds, yeah, 30 more pounds, yeah because well his last deadlift that he actually got was 876 so

i mean already there he has almost 30 more pounds just yeah 30 more pounds yeah just on his deadlift yeah so yeah he's and he's oh he is 30 though i mean i had no clue if he was like a younger guy or what but yeah oh yeah i think that's totally in the books 2300 is definitely possible yeah so that was kind of some of what we missed on the tribute meet last time you know it'll be old when you're hearing this now but i thought it'd be worth mentioning that um what we kind of some of what we missed on the tribute meet last time. It'll be old when you're hearing this now, but I thought it'd be worth mentioning what we kind of did miss when we were covering Boss of Bosses. What about our special weekly thing?

Ooh. Do you have something special for us? Yeah, I've got a special thing. You've got a special thing for us. Our recurring weekly segment, the open power lifting stat of the week we've got another one coming at you they don't stop nope every week we're we said we're gonna do it and we're doing it you're thinking god they've already given us three stats there can't be more than three stats no no we're giving them two yeah this is the third three stats yeah this

is the third and so i'll read through this whole stat, and then we can discuss it. Okay. Because what I want here is a sound bit that we can utilize for Instagram here. So we can put it out. Because what I get in my habit of doing is reading it and then commenting. While we're reading it. Yeah, right, right. So I'll give you a clean read-through.

Yes. Okay. commenting while we're reading yeah right right so i'll give you i'll give you a clean read through okay okay so this is the open power lifting stat of the week on the massonomics podcast in their database there's a total of 734 481 total lifters meets competed in uh 603 times there's been doping disqualifications that's 0 0.08%. 43,671 disqualifications. That's 5.95%. 1,414 guest lifters. That's 0.19%. 110 no-shows, 0.01%.

345,791 first place finishes, 47.08%. 116,684 second place, 15.89%. 65,000 third place, 8.9%. 42,000 fourth place, 5.8%. 29,000 fifth place, 4%. 21,006 sixth place, 2.9%. 16,007th place, 2%. 12,008th place, 1.6%. 16,007th place, 2%. 12,008th place, 1.6%.

9,009th place, 1%. 6,810th place, 0.9%. That is the open powerlifting stat. So my takeaway is you're in rare territory doing less than third place on a powerlifting meet. Yeah, you're in 47, 57, 62, and nine is 72. You're in the bottom fourth if you get less than third. So you're doing some pretty rare stuff. And I'm happy to report that I've been in that.

I still am in that spot regularly. So that, but. Did I hear, was it 47%? Yes. So that's the most amazing one. The 47, there's a 40%, 47% chance that you will be first place. So to recap that, that is the line that's is bolded underline and highlighted here. You kept going and I thought I definitely heard that wrong,. No, so there's 734,408 total lifters in the database.

345,791 of those times they have gotten first place at their meet that they're competing in, which is 47.08% of the time. You would normally think statistically that's not even possible. That really justifies the conversations that we've had on here before. About weight classes and age splits and just all of that stuff. That is crazy. It doesn't seem possible. It seems like, well, you've got to assume there's at least three people in an event. So it's like, okay, three people means like first is 33% of the time.

So the first place is almost half of them. Yep. And then looking all the way to the bottom, 10th place was only 0.9%. So that's just under 7,000 people. It's just so, so yeah, 10%, that has to be like national meets basically, right? That's pretty much the only way that could come from because anywhere else, I don't know what class you're falling into that has 10 people in it. That's that deep.

Yeah, that would be an enormous meet to get that deep compared to average, I would think. Yeah. There are 603 doping disqualifications, but we know that that, you know, out of the field, that's really only. Essentially applies to like one kind of federation. IPF, USAPL, the national versions of USAPL. You still would think like. There'd be more. I don't know how many years of data they have for the IPF, but.

You'd think there's more. With how big of a pool, you would just assume a little more than that. Yeah. There's 43,671 disqualifications. We said that's about 6%. But I think that a lot of that is bombing out, you know, missing your openers and never getting that weight, I think. That's a relatively high number, 6%.

People are bad at attempt selection. Yeah, 6%, you mean, so yeah, statistically, well, yeah, 6%. It's a surprisingly high. Yeah, that's kind of the highlights of the open powerlifting stat of the week. That was a good one, a really good one. They haven't disappointed for three weeks now, and I bet they won't disappoint in the upcoming weeks. They keep setting the bar higher and higher.

If you're into this stuff, follow them on Instagram. They have lots of posts like that. Also, check out the website. They are the resource for free open power lifting. Their name says it all. This stuff has existed to some extent. Definitely not to the degree they have done it, but a lot of times it's not free and readily accessible, and that is the one thing that they have going on for them.

I don't think it's ever been this easy to find, easy to use as what this is, and certainly it's never been this comprehensive as what they're getting now. And what about supporting them? It is free, but they do have ways to support them. Yeah, it is like a completely volunteer-run organization, so if you like the path they're on, the mission that they're supporting here, you can check them out, openpowerlifting.org, or on Instagram, openpowerlifting, and send them a DM, send them an email,

and you can contribute by entering meets, if you know programming, or any variety of anything that you think you could bring to the table. I'm sure they are more than ready to hear any ideas. Also, if you want to support them financially, you can hop on. They have a Patreon account where you can pledge a certain amount of money every month and do some cool things like color your name differently. They also have t-shirts too. So if you want to be repping the brand,

you can hop on their store and support them that way. And make sure another help you can do is just getting them meat information. Yeah, that actually probably is, out of all of this, probably the most important one is just getting meat information to them. Yeah, if you click on your name when you're in there, it shows your best meat results

and it shows all of your meat results that are in there. If you notice, hey, this is missing these two meats I did early on in my career, let them know, especially let them know if you can find, you know, a somewhat official summary of those meat results because they'll get those put in there relatively quickly. Yep. So that's Open Powerlifting Stat of the Week. Thanks, guys, for doing that for us again.

We appreciate it. It's a good segment for us. Yeah. We're kind of getting down there on time, aren't we? What about we do have an order of lift shirts coming in. Hot off the press. Yeah, we've been out of a few sizes here now lately. It's tough to get our timing down to get them reordered and get everything back

before they sell out. I think we've been out of mediums and a few other sizes. So by the time you're listening to this, actually, we have them back in stock. And we have them so much in stock that we are not even going to run out for a while, I don't think. No, but that doesn't mean you should wait to order.

No, that's true. Let me rephrase that. We could run out any minute. We ordered only a few, so you better get one of them. Yeah, I don't know what that first thing I was saying was. You're probably thinking of something else. Yeah, I was thinking of something else. I would order them right now for sure. Yeah, you don't want to wait on these.

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A special surprise in your package. Maybe some syrup or maple syrup. Or maybe we'll surprise you with some American things. Like maybe Tanner will run to McDonald's. That's stuff that they don't know about. Yeah. American stuff. Yeah.

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