Massenomics Podcast - Ep.128: The Vertical Diet Review

Episode Date: September 17, 2018

Unless you've been living under a rock, you know about the vertical diet. We finally got with the times and read the e-book so we could highlight our favorite takeaways from the diet, as well as some things we aren't quite as sure about.

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I'm here, Tanner. To my left is Tommy, and to my right is Ryan. How's it going, guys? Very good. I thought when you said to the left, say what's up, and then at my first thought would be your left or camera left. Stage right? That's port and starboard, I think. Is that the industry terms? Yeah, that's the industry podcast, correct term.

Okay, I haven't read the industry handbook yet, so I'm a little outside the loop. It was opening football weekend, NFL weekend, right? So we're going to take this episode to mostly talk about all of it. I mean, the preseason, I think think is the most important yeah so tanner i feel we almost never talk about football ever yeah and i think i know i think you're a buccaneers fan right i do like the buccaneers i mean you're probably there's probably close to 10 of you in south dakota maybe yeah my next door neighbor is a big buccaneers fan you know he flies okay so the two

in this entire part of the state are living within a block yeah and why i am i'm i mean they were good when i was young and getting into football so that that's probably the reason why you know yeah i mean yeah everyone likes a good team right right so you're gonna pick a team like you pick a good one i guess but i uh vis-a-vis like my family all liking the vikings i kind of just i mean you have to be the the hipster too cool picking another team no i'm pretty i kind of cheer for the vikings too you know just because it's like well i'm not going to be like i thought you're gonna say it's one of those things like my family likes the vikings so i had to pick someone else no no okay so yeah the buccaneers won today the vikings yeah i did see that i

followed it close enough to know that the the buccaneers won today yeah who did they play they played somebody but they won they definitely played a team that that shows well like what i was talking to you guys beforehand i i have played fantasy football every year for the past, like, 12 years. I've never played fantasy football. And that's become, like – I'm more of a – like, fantasy NASCAR is kind of, like, my thing. Yeah. Yeah, you know.

Yeah. I feel like any other sport would be so exhausting, especially baseball. It's like, who has time to follow that many games? You would have to. A huge loser. They did beat the Saints. Oh. Big conference win. Yeah. 48 the Saints. Big conference win.

48-40. High scoring win. Jameis Winston must have been slinging it. No, he's suspended for three games. He was doing zero slinging, to be exact. Why? Extracurricular activities. He got into a little trouble.

Oh, really? Yeah. May or may not have involved a woman. He's kind of living up to his past at this point in time. A little bit. As far as that goes. But that's probably a whole other discussion. Yeah, we don't want to get into that.

All right, and that's sports talk this week. That is more than enough, I think. So, are we ready to get to the meat of the matter here? To the real nuts and bolts. Maybe to the red meat of the matter here. Let's get to brass tacks. Pun intended. Yeah, what we're going to do is kind of give the official Massonomics review of the vertical diet.

I think the vertical diet is out there, and unless you've been under a rock for the last two years, you kind of know what it is at least. Yeah. I would say if you pay attention to any kind of lifting what it is at least yeah right so i would say if you pay attention to any kind of lifting it's probably pretty hard and if you follow stan ephrodine on anything there's no way you could not be familiar with that term at this point yeah and uh this isn't just our review of what we've heard stan say on you know youtube and what everyone else brian shaw half thor and what they all say we actually actually read The Vertical Diet now, so we have a little bit of ground to stick.

The real insider knowledge. The tips to just make you insanely great, maybe. Yeah. So can we go very quick review? Very quick, high level. Yeah. The book, it's a PDF download. Yeah.

I haven't done a lot of e-books in my day I don't really like e-books I kind of like a book What about audio books? E-books could be good but I guess what I'm saying is I really like holding

You like feeling like you own something Do you do audio books ever? I've never had before I guess I've... Well, that's not true. I guess on Spotify I've listened to some things. But that's... Well, they do not have an audiobook version of The Critical Diet, so

we will have to go with the regular PDF review. But super quick, it is 50 pages. Not... I wouldn't necessarily say 50 pages of page to page reading no you could you definitely read this thing more in depth than me

because I did not read it very in depth at all actually I read it while I was watching There's Something About Mary on TV also a pretty funny movie I've never actually seen it in its entirety still didn't see it in its entirety but I didn't catch the last half. So you'd never watched the whole thing before?

I'd never watched the whole thing before. And I think the last time I tried watching it was like years ago when I was much younger. And it wasn't quite as funny to me. But yeah, now actually I did enjoy it. Was her hair gel? That makes sense. Still don't get it. Now that I'm almost 30, I finally got that joke. Yeah, it's hair gel. We get it. It holds your hair up. Two years ago, didn't get it. Four years ago, didn't get it now you're like oh now that i'm almost 30 i finally got that joke

we get it like it holds your hair up two years ago didn't get it four years ago to get it but now that i'm almost 30 yeah i'm married now so you know i understand something about me yeah yeah something about married but uh this book you know 50 pages um it could probably be 25 pages like probably there's a lot a lot of paragraphs or one sentence. Oh, yeah, and some of the pages are just, I mean, a bulleted list. How much is it? So we'll get to that part in a second here. But, yeah, so some of the pages.

That is part of the review. That is part of what we're reviewing. Yeah. Yep. But there is a lot of information in it. I don't know. Should we just kind of hop into it here? I suppose.

So. What is it? At the highest level, the vertical diet, how would you describe it, Tanner? I mean, you could talk about the diet itself or the book. I mean, what the book does is there's the horizontal part of his diet, which is the micronutrients. So it's these foods that basically everyone would be eating regardless of if you're trying to lose weight maintain weight or gain weight and what are those what are some of those we have everything in the bottom we have this nice little picture there so

uh oranges are orange juice carrots uh greek yogurt cranberry juice butter uh like natural grass-fed butter is one of his salt uh the vegetables he recommends are cooked spinach or or peppers uh one potato or sweet potato eggs and chicken stock uh chicken beef tallow yeah is tallow the same thing as stock it's like fat isn't it yeah tallow is different but chicken broth and bone stock are very similar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that tallow is what he cooks the spinach in. I've watched a decent amount of Food Network and stuff in my day.

Unless I've just been completely blind to that part, I don't know if I've ever heard the word tallow until Stan Effing. I think it's just beef, like fat. Tallow's another word for fat, I believe. I feel like that's just a word that he picked up on and ran with. This will confuse people. He's like, I'm going to hang to this word. So there's that bottom far right one.

What is that? Salt. What's to the left of that? That might be salt also. I don't know. That's real salt. Oh, that's heroin. I think it's salt, and then is that like pink salt or something?

Oh, sure. Yeah, pink Himalayan salt. Okay. So that's basically no matter what you're doing, that's how you're building your base. You can't build a four-bedroom house on a two-bedroom house foundation. I love the analogy. I understand it now. That is in the book.

Is that what it says? Yeah. Which actually that is pretty relatable, I think, for people. Yeah. Okay. Anything you can tie back to a house analogy is always about as relatable as it gets to you. Or like riding a bike. A bike or a car.

It's like riding a car. So those things are going to be in there for basically anyone, depending on your goals. And then the vertical portion of the diet, then this is what we would think about when we think about what Half Thor does and what Brian Shaw does and how they utilize it. It's carbohydrate source, white rice. That's it. Not brown rice, white rice. That's it.

Yes. And then in addition to those, the horizontal- Right, because I guess carbs are from oranges. You get like one potato. Yeah, yeah. So there's carbs in there. But vertically, it's white rice. This is kind of where you start to build things up.

Yeah. And then meat. On the meat side of it, it's either steak. It's red meat. So I'd say choice number one is steak. Maybe choice 1A is bison. And then beyond that, it's lean ground beef, I think, is your kind of economical yeah choice at

least do this yeah right right and it's a good it's really a good better best scenario is what stan would like to say in every podcast that he's ever done it's a good better best scenario i've heard him use that phrase every single time uh but there's a there's a financial trade-off on all those choices i mean it's more expensive to eat state top sirloin than it is and it would be unless you really are a top level world competitor it's probably not worth your time or effort to be dumping that type of money into it because like we talked about a few weeks ago half thor said he had on his instagram story when people were asking him questions how much he spends a month on food. And what did we say? Was it $6,000?

I can't remember now. It was some insane thousands of dollars. And I don't think he's – I mean, that doesn't – I don't know. That makes sense to me for him. That's what my whole point is. For him. It makes sense. That's like nothing for him.

He's literally eating steak for almost every meal. Well, it's also an investment in his career. Yeah. So that's where – I mean, you can definitely push this to an extreme and have steak for almost every meal like's also an investment in his career yeah like yep but so that's where like the i mean you can definitely push this to an extreme and have steak for almost every meal like he has um probably not necessary for almost everyone else right okay now now that this reminded me of something so i know on stan's um instagram he'll have a little ad or whatever for like a vertical diet like meal sampler thing. Those eight, eight meals.

Yeah. It's like monster mash thing, like salmon. That's just, he's just coming out with that. He was like ready to eat meal. And then I noticed this maybe yesterday or the day before, um,

on Thor's post, he has something really similar to that. The meals are all the same, except call. It's like, it's like mountain meals. Yeah. And Shaw has his own too. I didn't know that. And they're partnered with Stan. that the meals are all the same except call it's like it's like mountain meals yeah and shaw has

his own too oh i didn't know that and they're partnered with stan i was gonna say they have to be almost like yeah the meals and all the layout was exactly the same it was just called something different i heard yeah shaw was talking about it with stan i think it's kind of like an advanced affiliate program right it is and like shaw's meals in that meal plan are like like uh i can't remember if it's like 8 000 calories or as you know it's like it's meals in that meal plan are like, I can't remember if it was like 8,000 calories. It's a huge meal. It's a special Shaw meal. The Shaw blend?

Yeah, they're together. It's not competing against each other on it. That's what I said. The layout was exactly the same. The foods were exactly the same. It was like, okay, this has to be majorly affiliated with Stan. Yeah. So, I guess we'll kind of get in

a little more in depth on the book now, but the thing to talk about too is this e-book is $100. It's not like you're going down to the local bookstore and buying a book for $10 or whatever. It is a bit of an investment. That's like a textbook.

It kind of is almost. What other book do you buy that's $100? School books. That's the only time I've ever spent. Because what's the average price of a book? I would say like $8 to $30. Yeah, like if you go on Amazon and you're buying a book, like if I'm going to buy, I mean, I don't really buy books,

but if I'm going to be spending over $25 on a book, I'm expecting something that's really like hardcover, substantial, nice. But this one is a bit of a tool, and it is trying to teach you something. Much like Ryan. Much like Ryan here. And I'm trying to teach you something. And if you get something out of this and it helps your performance, it just helps your lifestyle in general, $100 is probably a pretty minimal investment in the scheme of things. I don't know how to say this, but it's $100 and you get the PDF download.

So maybe it's an investment that you and some of your friends can make together. Just like any, just like any book in the world, you can buy it and let your friends borrow your book. I'm not saying pirate this thing, but, um, be responsible, I guess. Yeah. Uh, so, so, but yeah, but with that being said, you know, it is a hundred bucks. We don't want to just read every fricking thing out of this and be like, here's the audio version of the vertical diet. So, I mean, we're not going to go into super in detail, but we will pick out some parts that are interesting or noteworthy and, I mean, kind of share it with you guys.

And also, reading this thing, there was very little in here that he hasn't talked about in a Rhinos rant. No, I think he's probably talked about every one of those things. So, I mean, you could also go through. Stan has hours and hours of audio online. If you took the time to sit down, go to all these different sources, listen to hours of the audio, you'd probably get the same information, but it is a bit of a time saver to have it all here and in writing.

So that is another thing to think about with this. I do think a pro of the book, and we can go through some of the sections, but so it talks about the foods, of course, and it breaks down each of the most important foods but it also he spends some time talking about uh sleep hygiene you know obviously how important sleep is i think everyone kind of knows that anyways but some tips uh to how that how to do a better job of maintaining good sleep hygiene and then he talks about meal preparation you know not just the foods but some tips of how to make it more worth your time and same way you could

see all this in our in a video yeah he has he has stand and sleep go like hand in hand like that's one of his biggest things he ever talks about so right like it is nice at all being in one it does and it makes total sense for it all to be here and it is a time-saving thing you know he could a lot of the book he there's probably 50 links in the book so if he's talking about something like the importance of uh sodium in your diet that is one thing that i thought was interesting about the book and i haven't i have almost no experience like ebooks and things like that but there was a lot of links to YouTube stuff on here, which was surprising to me because I don't always think of YouTube as being the most scientific place. But I guess if you are a scientist and you're publishing stuff on YouTube, I mean, it is still scientific. But I was surprised at the number of YouTube links on here.

So, again, it is just access to free information that is already there. He just kind of did the work of compiling it all together for you. Right away, he said, you know, in the first page, the vertical diet includes, and I, gut health, specific foods, sample meal plans, interval training, cardio, 10-minute walks, supplements, hypertrophy training, and strength training. And that kind of does, it's a pretty holistic approach to what it does take to get strong. I mean, you kind of do have to be paying attention to all these things. And if there is any one of them, you're leaving out. Like Tanner, if you're ignoring your hormone levels, you're going to be in pain. Or like if you just forgot to sleep for like three weeks.

I could see where that could, you know, be a problem. It could be. It could be. Well, that's true. It could be. Everyone's different though. Yeah. And so with that, sleep is the first thing he talks about.

And I don't know if there's really even anything to add in other than you should be doing everything you can to try and get like seven to eight hours of sleep at least yeah as we go through a couple of the main topics maybe we'll try and think of anything that you know really cool or important or significant takeaways that we found and i don't i don't know if on that and i feel like most people know that yeah like you're not getting seven hours of sleep like you're not going to be feeling so hot. And you know that by experiencing that. You don't think you need to stay in effort.

No. And he says, blackout, it's important for it to be dark, and it's important for it to be cool. Which is just really sleep hygiene in general. Cool, dark room. Don't use your phone while you're laying in bed. That's a really hard one for, I think, a lot of people. Like, if possible, kick living things out of the bed yeah you know the the fewer living things you have moving and running around in your bed the better you're off whether that's kids pets

partners anything just bed bugs try to get those out of there and and i think you don't even have a tv in your room yeah and i think um the one thing and he says this in his video or in other videos he says if you're waking up early after inadequate sleep to do cardio you're stepping over 100 bills to pick up he says that a lot and that's totally true like yeah i mean if you're maybe you should sleep another hour and a half yeah yeah wasting your time with the treadmill. Yeah, and so he does give a lot more CPAP, things like that. So yeah, I don't think any of that is a major surprise to anyone.

It's one of those things that everyone knows they need to do. But when you're just scrolling Instagram, when you're just hundreds of scrolls deep in the Discover page and your eyes are still going, sometimes it's hard for people to do. You've got to feed the need you know salt is a really big part of what he talks about in this thing it's probably one of the bigger sections almost i would think of salt and sodium and yeah and it's i don't know probably stan's view compared to probably like what you learned at the most basic level like in high school high school and things like that um i just growing up a lot of times it feels like you hear like salt is bad salt causes high blood pressure that's what i always thought and i always thought salt dehydrated you but that's so he has kind of a different and i

think it i don't think it is the completely accepted view either scientifically like across the whole spectrum um but he has a lot of studies that he references and believes that salt is one of the biggest contributors to your performance yeah and your hydration right your hydration all types of stuff and um i don't know if we need to go super in depth on that but it is a major component to what he talks about is salting your food properly, even like, you know, getting salt into your, uh, uh, hydration sources. If, if you're dehydrated and things like that, like before I even read this here, I, I started changing what I do just based on, I heard enough of what he said and look, read some other things. And I, this is not a major change in it. Really. I can't say that I

even know a difference, but I do salt my food now, which I never did before. And now I just moderately salt my food. That's a pretty easy thing to do, and it tastes better. It does, yeah. Salt is a flavor enhancer. I think most people do like salt, so that's not a problem. And then I actually drink a little bit less water now than I do because so much of what he talks about is that overhydration. I mean, if you drink enough water or if you're drinking a lot of water, overhydration, you are basically flushing minerals and things out of your body.

And he does say in here that clear pee isn't necessarily good. Like clear pee probably isn't good. You're probably drinking too much water if that's the case. And I was like drinking so much water that it would just be running, you know, it would be clear running through me. And that is actually kind of the next thing in the book that is he does talk about the water component to it and um there is there really is no magic number it's not you shouldn't be like drinking a gallon a day and um also or you might be drink need to drink a gallon a day but it

depends so much on your activity level your body weight maybe the weight. Maybe the way you sweat versus someone else. Yeah, so you can't really even prescribe a rule to it. He said eight glasses of water a day is bullshit. Pretty much, yeah. Does that come out to like a gallon or something? That'd be half. If you're talking an eight-ounce glass, that's a gallon. That's much less than what I drink in a day,

even now that I'm doing less. Yeah, and it's obviously with these things, it's going to be way different for a 102-pound girl than a 300-plus or 400-plus-pound man. Like, it's just going to be so different. Yeah. He gets into, like, some other things, like blood sugars and insulin. Diabetics. Yeah, diabetics. Part of that I didn't look into real closely because I'm like, that was not.

Because you just saw your diabetes. Yeah, it's like Walter Brimley said that I can get free test strips or something like that. Yeah, so I kind of skipped over that part a little bit too. That's probably the most important part of the book and we missed something in there. But we'll just pretend that there was nothing there. Protein is a big one i thought interesting thing about protein is um he kind of goes with the standard i feel like this however many pounds you weigh gram per pound gram gram per pound of body weight per pound

but uh he does talk about like you know some people i think have the mentality that you cannot get too much protein and he does talk about how excessive protein, the sources that it's coming from a lot of times can cause additional distress on your gut. And so a lot of times more protein than necessary is just putting more stress, more distress on your GI tract, things like that. So being aware of the amount of protein you're actually consuming. More is not always better.

Same with salt. I guess that's the thing he says too. You know. More is not always better. Same with salt. I guess that's the thing he says too. Salt is important, but it's not. You should just start dumping the shaker down your throat. Eating a spoonful. More is not always better. I'm sure you could say that about sleep also. Yeah, to an extent, pretty much anything.

But I don't know. Is there such a thing as too much sleep? I don't know. I mean, maybe if you do it so much that you just don't do anything else. You are dead. Yeah. You're actually dead. Fats.

Yeah, he goes into your oils. Yeah, he's a big does not like processed vegetable oil. And that's really obvious from his other videos. I mean, he has tons of videos out there on that. You know, your fat sources, protein sources, carbs. We did touch on that one. White rice. Really big on white rice.

And again, if you've known anything about the vertical diet, before I even read this book, my knowledge of the vertical diet was red meat, white rice, and a few other things. Yeah. And that kind of is what it is. Carrot and some cranberry juice. Not terrible, like, five-word synopsis of it. He does, though, give several product links.

Product links because, you know, if he is recommending stuff, he's kind of gone through the process a lot of times. He can recommend pressure cookers to you, rice cookers, thermoses, things like that, like Costco, the spot to find deals the thermals that he takes on the airplane like i think every time he posts that he always links to yeah amazon whatever where he gets them so and i mean it's real easy to have even just a basic amazon affiliate link so no no secret that if you purchase something from his link he's getting something probably yeah he probably has some but

why not like if that like he he should be at that point in time you know he's referring those sales yep uh he talked it's a lot about gut health like that's kind of like there's a lot of gut that's like of the whole diet that's you know an overarching part of it is everything set up to help your digestion and help your gut health. Yeah, and really being able to kind of have the ability to, like, look, to step back and look at yourself and say, like, is this food working with me? Like, do I have constant gas? Like, do I have diarrhea?

You shouldn't be on the shitter. Like, if that's the case, like, you're definitely eating something that's not working with your system. And the other one, too, he says with that, is just because you're eating it doesn't mean that your body's like really absorbing it because there's some things that your body just, everyone's body is different and it will take things differently.

So because someone says they eat this doesn't necessarily mean it's going to work for you. So you need to be able to look at that and then know if there is something that's not working, what to substitute it out with to get that same value. So from what you guys have read, like the whole gut health thing, does he just say eating the foods that are in the vertical diet will take care of that? Or is there a specific – No, he doesn't even make that claim.

But he says this is what's worked for me, and he's got kind of at the very least anecdotal evidence of these foods that they're the most likely to. Could cause. Yeah. Too much milk for people. I think most people that would agree with. Like too many eggs, too many nuts, almost too much of anything can. Mostly fatty things it looks like might do that. He's not a big fan of regular wheat bread or brown rice or even oatmeal.

But then he says small moderation of almost any of that stuff probably isn't going to be terrible for you. But oatmeal is one that I thought was interesting because that's like a bodybuilding diet staple. Eggs too and milk. But he doesn't say not to eat those things yeah right too much for you could not could be different for right and and milk is you know those are those are items that can have individual allergy issues with a lot of people in their body you know milk and eggs and peanuts like some people just can't process that stuff yeah do you guys feel like you handled milk and that stuff pretty good?

I think so. I don't, there was a while there where I was drinking a lot of milk and even now, like I went through a phase where I was still drinking probably three to four gallons of milk a week. And like the thing that started this summer, I was just like, I don't even want to drink that much.

So now I think I'm about to like two gallons of milk a week, which I feel like, yeah, just going to the bathroom and everything is a little better so i i do agree with that that does make sense i noticed changing like i'll go through swings with like just to do something different where i'll almost eliminate milk entirely and when i put it back in i do notice i feel like my milk consumption and gas production are pretty closely related farting factory doesn it run off of milk?

But I don't know. I've never noticed that with eggs. I don't eat a ton of eggs. Like, I maybe eat three eggs for breakfast. And as far as he goes in here, I mean, three eggs, he kind of almost considers part of the normal diet. Right, right. I think four is kind of the magic number. Vegetables, you know, he gives you some recommendations on vegetables.

He doesn't really like broccoli. He almost... Asparagus. vegetables you know he gives you some recommendations he doesn't really like uh like broccoli he almost he almost asparagus he almost like stays away from vegetables like for how many options there are for vegetables out there he really only recommends a couple cooked spinach and peppers are like and carrots carrots are a part of the uh of the floor that that kind of are his those kind of are his vegetable recommendations right there which i i'm i'm down with that like yeah i don't yeah like spinach isn't that bad like cook spinach and something is pretty easy to eat and that's his thing like it's easy to eat it's easy to digest definitely and he doesn't count like those vegetables that eat don't even count like in your carb count or anything like that it Yeah, I'm sure just more vitamins. Yeah. He does include a link to top 10 vegetables that cause gas, though. Beans.

Beans is number one. Believe it or not, beans are number one. I always thought they were the magical fruit, though. Oh, that is true. They are lying. They're so magical that it transcends the vegetable line into fruit. What's next on there? Peas.

I wouldn't have guessed that. Peas. Broccoli. That makes sense. Probably asparagus. Okay, cabbage, yes. Cauliflower, that's basically white broccoli. Brussels sprouts. Does anyone actually just sit down with a bowl of Brussels sprouts and just go to town? I hope not.

Like Michael Scott. Get my box wine and my bag of frozen vegetables. Or what's his name? Has mung beans sprouting in his creta. Mung beans, they smell really, creta. Mung beans. They smell really bad.

Onions. That makes sense because onions already smell bad. Yeah. Mushrooms and artichokes. Yeah. Artichokes. Rarely eaten food for most people. Spinach artichoke dip, I guess.

That's one of the only things I've ever had an artichoke dip. If they outlawed spinach artichoke dip with artichokes almost go yeah poor artichoke farm yeah that was our one market how do we sell these they put us out of business yeah uh bread the one bread he does say that is if you're gonna eat bread as sourdough because it's uh something about that it's good i can't remember because it's sour but do you guys have a sourdough bread preference i don't really mess with the sourdough bread i can't i don't know when i've had sourdough bread really i feel like at a restaurant when they say this sandwich is on sourdough that's probably the only time you're

like dude is sourdough like mass produced or the only time you're... Is sourdough mass-produced, or is it just one of those things you just get from the bakery section at a grocery store? I don't know if it's bagged, if you just... Like next to the Wonder Bread? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't think so either. It looks too elaborate to be pumped out of that fast. Is this the Panera Bread Factory over here? Yeah. Okay, so now we're on to... the meats red meat and is it good is it safe and pretty much yes is what he says he says eat it all um it's more nutrient dense than chicken and have you ever seen a big chicken before i there's some crazy instagram videos out there. I have seen a couple big chickens.

So what do you think of that? What do you think of that Stan? Uh, but, uh, part of that is chickens have a really short life and they're mostly fed soy. So something about. He's very against soy. Yeah. I noticed that. Cause he doesn't eat turkey.

Right. And turkey's the same way. Right. Cause they're mostly fed soy and they have a short life. So like that meat, the, the,'s the same way. Right, right. Because they're mostly fed soy, and they have a short life, so, like, that meat, their muscle doesn't – Yeah, he does give a preference to, like, if you can find, like, grass-fed, free-range chickens. Yeah. But he said also, like, free-range chickens a lot of times aren't, like – they're probably not grass-fed. Yeah.

They're not grass-fed, but whatever the hell chickens eat. Cage-free. Cage-free, yeah, and I don't know what – He talks about it. He does. That's where you'd want to buy the book. I'mfree. Cage-free. Yeah, I don't know what. He talks about it. That's where you'd want to buy the book. I'm not a chicken expert by any means. I don't really. There you go.

Buy the book. That's why I like bison, though, because bison is grass-fed. Yeah, there's no way around that. Right. As far as I know. So eat red meat and a lot of it. It's a big staple of the diet, obviously. That is. Everyone knows that, probably.

Caffeine. He says if you're getting enough sleep and doing all the other things correctly, you probably don't need caffeine for your pre-workout. Which, hey, people have lives and stuff comes up. So I would say most people would probably say, hey, I do need it. I'm going to use that sometimes. I still, and I don't know, I think we're kind of all on the same page here where if you need a pre-workout every single day. Yeah, you don't. That's not good.

Yeah, you're getting, I don't know. And I never, I got to the point now where I actually never really have a full scoop of pre-workout. Like, my thing is like, I'll be like, okay, today I'm not going to have any. And then the next day it's maybe I'm just going to have like a quarter of a scoop. Or then when I really feel like I want it, I'll have a half of a serving. Well, and I feel like with most things like that, if you keep doing it, like you're going to build up some kind of tolerance to it. And then it's like, well, what's the point?

But like if you're just going in for like a regular just day, you're just putting in work, like you're not setting PRs and going crazy every day. Like do you need to be amped out of your mind like caffeine there's no i just it's just always just i would say that's something that you need to use when you need it yeah you can choose feel like you always need yeah there's nothing wrong with using it but just be careful that you're not like it's not like a crutch to something you have to have right and i think it's different for somebody to be like oh i need to drink a 24 ounce uh zero ultra monster whatever it is or i like to drink a cup of coffee like that is way different so i mean yeah just be careful with it hey you know just watch what you're doing it's incredibly addicting you could start as crushing caffeine

addiction next thing you know you're on the streets safety first it's over yep so be warned um 10 minute walks 10 minute walks he's talked about that a ton yeah i think most people know yeah that's just like a thing after that is something that i really have implemented into my life because i do work from home so if i don't if i don't get up during the day and do 10 minute walks i could literally be not the only time i would walk would be to go to the bathroom. Yeah. So that is something I have a head in a jar at that point. Almost my body is no purpose to me.

Yeah. So that's like a thing after meals, right? Yeah. I have implemented those. I think the big one he, he talks about, I believe he's talked about is how it just kind of helps with like just that bloating and digestion. And yeah, if you are somewhat full and you go for a brisk 10 minute walk it does just kind of feel like it gets things moving like you're you're not so full feeling uh calories you know he talks

about calories and kind of like macros and all that and so he's somebody that's big into actually recording or like keeping track of okay i, I need to eat this much. So I'm going to eat this much. Like that's a big part of it, right? Yeah. Depending on your goal of whether you're trying to cut weight. Yeah. Depending on what you're trying to do, whether it's, you know, just being aware of what you're eating, you know, and I mean, calories are kind of the.

Well, and he says, he even says the calories are still King. Yeah. Calories in versus calories out is the what's going to decide it's like 75 of the equation and he even he even says that the rest of it even macro distribution or micronutrients and all that macro micro like timing like those it just gets less and less and less important and he even says just just by calories you can get a long ways in your goals you know brian shaw basically got to his first world strongest man with only being worried about calories yeah right and then yeah once the calories are there then you can kind of start to like optimize this stuff and be smarter

about it but uh stan also you know with his history uh of hormone power lifting and bodybuilding has a lot of experience with the hormones and all of that stuff. And it's no secret there either. He talks a lot about blood tests. I mean, even to the point of, he has like a referral link for blood tests that he can send you to do. And, um, I've never done anything like that. It'd probably be cool just to see like on a day where you feel like you're just like a normal, normal self, like what actually are your like levels on some of these things that he thinks are important to measure. But I have not gone that far to do that yet. Neither have I. Uh, you know, his, his, uh, supplements, uh, something steaks and shakes or is at the top.

I think it's at the top of, uh, shakes are for fakes. Yeah. There you go. Well, I don't know if you spend much time on Instagram lately, but there is a lot of people that make their living off of shakes. Did you know that? Did you guys know that? I have seen something about that before. Making shakes.

Do you think they would agree with this? No. They would have a word for Mr. Efferty in here. He does have a point. He's not much of a pills and pot. Efferty in here. But he does have a point. He's not much of a pills and potions kind of guy, though. He's pretty upfront about that. And I'm pretty cool with that. And if you're listening to this podcast, you probably get it.

You're probably not dropping, like, mixing up six different shakes over the course of a day to do all types of random stuff. You get it. It's just, for the most part, probably a way for you to get a little more protein in your diet in a hurry and you're going to be getting your main calories and nutrients from actual food which is the better source anyways i have protein powder at home all the time but it's not like it's not a staple of mine even if you don't plan your meals around no no it's like oh i gotta get make sure to get this next protein shake in. Got a big workout tomorrow. Better put two

scoops into this one. How many scoops of protein are in that flex flask you have? This is just straight beef tallow. No chicken stock in there? I watered it down with some chicken stock. I love it. I'm going to drink it until I love it.

He does offer I watered it down with some chicken sauce. I love it. I'm going to drink it until I love it. He does offer also some advice along the lines of things like your immune system. He says he hasn't been sick in like three years. Due to all the suppositories he takes. What is sick anyways? Yeah, that's true. That's what I always say. What else do we... I mean, we're starting to kind of get down there.

I mean, he goes more in depth in some of the actual food for why he prefers bison or why he prefers actual specific foods. Yep. His opinion on chicken and turkey and grass-fed versus grain-fed yep um he goes into detail on each of the say 12 uh 12 specific foods that uh cranberry juice is another big one yeah he does yeah let's talk about cranberry juice a lot and even even some orange

juice too he does recommend getting into the diet uh he does actually give you, once you get a little farther into the book, well, we're still on the vegetables part here, but he does give you some sample diets, which I think is probably one of the more valuable spots. Okay, I have all these foods. What do I do with them? Am I just going to make these just the way they are? Do I put them all in a blender, Blaine Sumner style, and just chug them?

How do I consume these things? And he does weight loss, lean gains, body recomposition, and then mass gaining. And he kind of gives you a daily plan. And obviously that's going to depend on how much you weigh now and what your lifting is and your other physical activity. But it's at least a start. And that probably is the part of the book that most people would be like, just let me know that part.

It is at the end of the book basically, but it is, it does make sense the way he lays it out that he informs you for why he makes all these decisions. And then at the end, now that you have this knowledge or kind of the base for the knowledge, then he kind of gives you the building blocks to go and do this stuff. So yeah, he does, depending on your goals, he has a few different ideas to kind of get you going and i mean the vertical that is somewhat repetitive you know you're not going to be like i would say it's very repetitive there's a limited selection yeah yeah but yeah that is kind of ties right back

back into the gut health thing of that if you're always just throwing these curveballs to your system then you don't even know what's actually You don't know what's making you perform better. You don't know what's making you feel like shit, what's making you feel good. So once you kind of like pare the whole thing back and get down to the essentials, you can sort of build off of that, which is also kind of where the horizontal vertical thing comes into play. He gives you some kind of example recipes too for you know his his signature monster mash

cornucopia whatever he's got going on here uh he also goes into some he gives like some training uh training yeah there's some training i was kind of surprised i thought that that probably wasn't needed at all i feel like that's not needed because i feel like if you're reading this, you probably have that part figured out. I would think. Or at least a better idea than, oh, I got my workout. I got my program from the vertical diet e-book. I don't think anybody would really say that.

I don't think it's necessarily bad advice. But there is no shortage of programs out there. Some things are less obvious to people than others. I mean, yeah, why not throw it in there, I guess. I thought it was interesting that those were in there. I don't know if that was just a way to maybe get the book to 50 pages. Yeah, true. I think it was filler a little bit.

Get the people so they're only paying like $2 a page. Yeah, gosh, yeah. Well, when you say it like that. Not that it's probably bad information that's in there but i just don't think this is where people are coming for that wait there's other resources out there but he does end it with uh some good advice and that is the compliance factor and you know with anything the best is one that you can stick to and yeah that is same thing with the workout program the best workout program is the one you can stick to.

It could literally be the best one in the world, but if you don't do it, it's of no value. So with all these things, it's finding how you can make them work in your life and keep yourself accountable and have some compliance with the whole thing. Yeah. So what's your star rating? What's your general thoughts or a rating of some sort of the e-book? How many Masonomic Ms am I going to give this thing? And out of how many possible? So out of, we'll go on a five. A five star scale here.

I think, you know, I don't read a lot. I think you could probably give a better insight because you've read way more like ebooks in this realm than i have you kind of know what to expect a little more but uh you know this wasn't like anything i wasn't like super like i need to get on a diet i need to do this stuff so for me i'm probably like a three and a half ish four at the high end. But I do think if you are looking for a diet, looking for some nutritional advice, this could be a five-star review for you. It could be really, really good.

It seems very simple, which I think is probably the best part. It could be really good for a lot of people. That's kind of my opinion. I personally give it like a three. There's certain sections that I really enjoyed in there and like I felt like I understand better now and there's things I can take away from it. But for the right person, I think it's a five. But we're also at the point we have some idea of – we might not be on the vertical diet, but a lot of these things are just like –

It's just time pieces or things like time-t time tested principles i kind of do that already right a lot of those things someone that's been lifting and has some idea about nutrition they say well yeah that's what i do yeah and he has taken the time to assemble some links and videos and things for you that if you do find if there's a section that is of particular interest to you there are a lot more resources where you can dive in and do your own independent research and find out some more and really i guess geek out on it as much as you want to so vertical diet is this one in the books oh so oh i i did i did make i did uh make monster mash today oh did you so that's uh i bought uh white rice bone broth white white rice. We have an Instapot pressure cooker. Okay, go ahead.

I'll ask you after this. And I bought ground sirloin, so it was like 93.7. Yep. And I bought four pounds of that. Is any 93.7 considered ground sirloin, basically? I didn't buy the package. I bought it at the meat counter where it's oh actually actually like laying there yeah so uh so it was top sirloin no it's not top sirloin it's sirloin ends or sirloin tips is what they make it out of

uh because i looked at the bison at this particular grocery store. You know how much the bison was a pound? Probably about $8 or $9 a pound. It was like $13 a pound. But at other places, you can get it for like $8 or $9. The most frustrating part of that, we literally live in South Dakota. The Dakotas are known for bison and buffalo, and it's more expensive than seafood which seafood does not exist here the sirloin ground sirloin was about five dollars a pound and that's you know i can justify that

it's it is i mean you only need five pounds a day right right five to twelve or so whatever you know depends on how vertical i go pound for pound on that protein but then so i i paddied the sirloin and grilled on that up and made several cups of rice and then i had the bone broth and i mashed them up together and i put them in a bag you know i did do you consider it a palatable like is it actually something yeah and then i ate one right away and i was it's i mean that's i've eaten beef and right yeah this is just like the thing like what we're saying like i've eaten beef and rice who yeah who has not sat down and ate beef right i've done this before the one thing i don't think

a lot of people put like chicken stock in the mix and i did that and i think that that was good adds to because that is on its own kind of dry like yeah just just cooked hamburger and cooked it's not like rice isn't like the most uh there's not a lot of liquid getting added into the equation. Yeah, it's not so dry. Because of reading his thing, I added the bone broth. I added more salt, and that was all good. And I'm not on the vertical diet, but those are good meals for me. You know, that's right in line with what I try to do anyways.

But I am also now – I always like carrots, but I'm just going to eat carrots twice a day. You know, a handful of baby carrots twice a day. But I already like those anyways and ate them sometimes, but I'm just going to make more of an effort to do that. And then oranges, I eat every week anyways, but I'm just going to eat some every day. So you have an Instant Pot? Yes. Instapot or Instant Pot? I think it's Instapot.

Do you just usually make rice with that? Usually my wife uses it. She had to show me how to use it today, actually, even. So you're not the person to tell us. This is the on-button chatter. There is even a button for rice. So how long does it take in there? It takes 12 minutes.

Is that like multiple cups? Yeah, I made like four cups. You know, four dry cups. So then when it comes out, it's right. Does it come out pretty good? Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's white. Only half of it is stuck to the bottom inside.

Well, I have a rice cooker, and that's the thing about a rice cooker is you never have to deal with the, like, oh, it's dry on the bottom. This pot's going to be... How long does your rice cooker take? I'd say maybe 15 minutes. Okay, so it's the same thing. Yeah. I, it's dry on the bottom. This pot's going to be... How long does your rice cooker take? I'd say maybe 15 minutes. Okay, so it's the same thing.

I assume it's... But I like there's just got a bunch of buttons on the front, and it's just white rice, and then you lock it, and then it goes off when it's done. Yeah. Those things seem really handy, though, for other foods as well. Yeah. So I do have some Monster Mash, and it was good.

If you've had beef and rice before, you've had Monster Mash. Did you listen to the Halloween classic, Monster Mash, while you were eating it? It was a monster mash. It's part of the vertical diet. It's almost that season already. Yeah, that's true. That's crazy. Do we have?

Yeah, we've got our thing. We have our thing? Yep. So what we've got is the open power lifting stat of the week by massonomics this week's stat is the number of men with x or more totals so i'm going to go over say a thousand or more okay etc so obviously weight is not a factor here correct it's all men in raw or raw with wraps so a thousand plus is 57 of the people a thousand plus totals 1500 plus 10.2 percent of the people okay 1700 plus 3.2 percent wow 1900 plus 0.8 percent 2000 plus 0.4 percent

2200.07 percent 2300 is 24 people 2400 is nine people 2500 plus is one person and that is monachiv monachiv is the only one to go wow so that's the open power lifting stat of the week on the massonomics podcast how many people is that out of though that's out of 114 729 lifter male lifters in the database okay all men in the database. So right around 100,000. Oh, I suppose, yeah. What was the 10%? So my first number is 1,000 plus people that have

totaled 1,000 pounds or more, and that's 66,000 people, or about 57, 58%. So what do you think of that? Actually, I thought that would be more. To me, that number 100%. Okay. Yep. So what do you think of that? Just half of the people. I thought that would be more. Like, to me, that number seemed like.

I'm not knocking on not having, like, a 1,000-pound total, but just in my mind, it seems like most people out of me, like, total over 1,000 pounds. Yeah. But you could, if there's quite a few beginners doing it, it wouldn't, you know, if you're a lighter weight beginner, it wouldn't be crazy to squat 300, bench 200, and deadlift 300. No, no, yeah, it's not crazy at all. But that's not... It's still percentages. I would, like, out of all the meets I've been to, that's not half of the people there.

So that one is a little surprising to me. Yeah. And then the next one, so it skips a few there, and we go to 1,500 plus, and that's about 12,000, which is just 10% of the people have done over 1,500. And to me, if you're hitting a 1,500 total, I'm not there yet. But if you're hitting a 1,500-pound total, in almost any respect, you're considered very strong. Yeah.

I mean, that's a one in – You have to be pretty well-rounded. You can go most places and you'll probably be the strongest person there. Yeah, but one in 10. I'm surprised. I would have guessed it was even – Because that's going to say – that would put you at what? most places and you'll probably be the strongest person there yeah that one in ten i'm surprised i would have guessed it was even because that's gonna say you that would put you at what like uh you know maybe a mid six deadlift probably somewhere in the fives for a squat and then

or just you just bench squat and deadlift 500 yeah everything is the same like most lifters that's what uh kirill serichev yeah i mean if you can do it and then i did skip a couple levels but now going into more detail 1600 plus is just sick is six percent so it's getting closer to one in 20 yep then 1700 plus is three percent which is to actually surprising how low that's getting already. Yeah, really low really quick. So it's 3,600 people at 1,700 plus. 1,800 plus is just under 2,000 men, and it's under 2%. And that's getting to be a big total. Yeah, it is. You know, I mean, just by the number 1,800 plus,

you're pretty much eliminating even the chances of the bottom half of the weight classes. With the exception of a few of the bottom half of the weight classes. Yeah. You know, that's. With the exception of a few of the absolute most top level people. Right. 1900 plus is under a thousand people. Under a thousand men. 922.

And that's less than 1%. Then 2000, which that's a big mark, obviously. Only 432 men. 2000 plus. Yeah. That's a, that's pretty small. Yeah. You are on another level. You know, it seems like you see it more often because of Instagram.

I've always said that before. I can do it and that guy can do it. So yeah. But, but they're all on Instagram. Right. Right. All 432 of them are just about 21 2,100 plus is only 159. 2,200 plus is 77.

Then we get 24 over 2,300, 9 over 2,400. And I could just about, I could name a good majority of those. I think it would be Andre, Dan Bell, Ray Williams, Eric Lillibridge. Yep. Who else is – there's Ray and then Petrov. Yep, the Petrov. And probably Vlad. Vlad, Zahir.

Zahir. Right. What do we got, seven? Yeah. How many did we say there are? Nine. Did you say Dan Green? No, not –

He's not 2,400. Dan Bell. Yeah, Dan Bell. I don't think J.P. Price is quite to $2,400. But, yeah, just off the top of our head. It still is. I mean, $2,500, it is crazy. That is an insane number. But one person only.

Yeah, because those next four guys are all tied at that, like, $2,458. Ray is only a good day away from hitting it, though. Yeah, because those next four guys are all tied at that 24-58. Ray is only a good day away from hitting it, though. Yeah. Same with Dan Bell and Eric Lillibridge. That is what they're away from. It's just a really good. Yep, and that's what it's just like. I mean, a lot of these guys, they're probably like one red light away from having that total already.

Yeah, right. They probably have done it in a meet already. It just – something in there got red lighted or deadlifts slipped out at the very top. Yep. Big dogs coming up here in October is a good opportunity. Brandon Allen, does he have 2,400? He's got to be close. I think he's just under.

Just under, okay. Well, yeah, I think he's like 2,358. If only we had the internet here, right? Here, I'll he's like 2358. If only we had the internet here. Right. Here, I'll get you right now. I've got that one right here. It's 2386 is his best. Very close.

So he's pushing it. But it really starts to drop off quick once you go over 1500. Yeah. Separates the men from the other men. Yeah. And those statistics are provided by Open Powerlifting, obviously. We do the weekly stat of the week. And you guys both have your Instagram handles on there tagged. I know you do because I made sure that everyone had it on there.

Yeah, go on there. Check out your meet results online. If anything's missing, send them a message, and they will get those updated for sure. Also, if your Instagram account is not linked, you should probably send them a message, get that thing linked too. They'll be happy to do that. And if you are a big fan of what they're doing and want to contribute or support,

you can either get in touch with them and you can figure out how to, whatever your talent might be, whether that's entering a meet or helping out with some other side of it, they're always looking for help. Or you can support them financially through Patreon, different monthly membership levels where you can do some things like color your name or format a little differently, and they also do have some shirts that you can buy too. Yeah.

Some pretty cool-looking shirts. Yeah, yeah. So thank you, Open Powerlifting. Thanks again. We'll get another good one from you next week, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. They haven't let us down yet. Nope, not yet.

Maybe even keep raising the bar on us. If it's possible. They should have a stat like most people to puke in one meeting. Have you seen the South Park episode where James Cameron literally raises the bar like it's an actual bar? He goes in the submarine. Is it the one where they make fun of like avatar and dance with wolves uh it's like it's honey boo-boo is what the main thing is i haven't seen that one i feel like because they make because i yeah that's like james cameron stuff yeah yeah avatar smurfs aren't they like all smurfed or something yeah well they're blue people

oh did we have anything else good on our docket today that you know that's probably about it i did see a couple weeks ago you know we talked about some of uh the things we'd been following media wise with uh shows yeah we did have a few people offer up some suggestions on youtube yeah did you see those i did so yeah it's always nice to know that people are watching out for us, have our watching interests in mind. Yeah, do you remember what any of the suggestions were? They were on Hulu, and I don't have Hulu, so I'd never heard of the shows. I'll tell you.

One was like a number, like a date, like 19-something-something, which also is a really tough name for a show because... Oh, that's a number. literally is castle rock i have i have seen ads for that what's that i watched it's a it's set in this steven king um like universe so it's in castle rock and it's a lot of the plot at least in the first episode the one i saw is at shawshank so and then there's characters that are um like related to some of the characters on the show and there's just yeah and our characters in his books i mean okay it's just a original series set in like the steven king world okay so it's pretty i got i thought it was cool and then-63. I've never heard of that.

Is that a typo or is that a show on? I'm assuming it's a show. And then Altered Carbon on Netflix. Have you guys watched that? I remember seeing the title, but no. I don't even know if I've seen that one pop up. 11-22-63 is also Stephen King based. So I would assume it's not a jfk one uh yeah time traveler

who attempts to prevent the assassination of president john f kennedy like a guy that book came out i think about seven years ago and it's a guy he works at a like a fast food place and he finds this like portal to the past which is that date and he realizes he can go back and forth as many times as he wants. So it does sound interesting. I think it does. Yeah, the book sounds really good.

I might have to... Just watch the show. Once I get some HBO shows knocked out here because I'm on my HBO subscription right now, I might have to jump to Hulu for the first time ever.

Hulu is really good. Hulu is good. There's just so many different networks under that that are on there. You have all the Comedy Central shows. You have all the shows on Viceland.

There's just a lot of different stuff. Their original series are good too. Do we have any reviews this week, Tanner? Nothing to report on the review front right now. The number went up, but no reviews to be read. You know what they say. Only you

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