Massenomics Podcast - Ep.138: Who is Tomahawk_D?

Episode Date: November 26, 2018

Meet your Massenomics co-owner and Massenomics Podcast co-host Tommy DeFea.  There's more to this guy than just a head full of flowing locks and a strong squat.  With the help of listener questions, we peel back his many layers to get to his creamy center...

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How's it going today? Oh, it's going good. We got a little workout in. We did get a little pump on. Our pre-podcast pump. That's kind of been the ritual lately, hasn't it? Get a little pump, do a little podcast. It clears the mind.

And then you look your best. You do look your best. Well, actually, I do work out fast enough that I get home, shower, and a lot of times even eat. So I do get a little more prep in than you did. Yeah, I pretty much am right here straight from there. You're just that dedicated. Yep, yep. That's pretty much it. Was there anything really exciting in the the world you know we kind of usually cover current events i don't know this

this last week was there any exciting current events i mean this is usually where people go to the world yeah no in the world you know we usually touch on like one or two uh exciting world events and i don't know if there was any. I don't really think there was. It was a pretty slow week. General electric stock price continues to plummet. Does it really? It does. Is there a reasoning behind that?

I think it's a whole systemic problem with a series of bad CEOs. Oh, is it? The only reason I know is because if I could recommend- You're heavily invested in the company. You're going to be using lots of money. If I could give you guys a piece of advice, it would be don't have bought a decent amount of General Electric stock like two years ago because right now it would be worth one-third of the price of when you bought it. General Electric was on –

Just theoretically, right? Yeah, just if that could happen to a guy. was just theoretically right yeah just if if that could happen to a guy general electric was on the uh dow jones for 110 straight years like it first got on there in like 1906 or something like that yep and it's it now has performed so poorly that after 110 straight years of being in that group of like uh blue chip stocks they've like bumped it out of there because really because it's decreased oh wow i didn't realize they're doing that bad yeah they're doing really bad like they're selling a bunch of uh selling a bunch of assets and geez that here again i only would know like if i i wouldn't normally care

so like every day that i see a headline about general electric screwing up it's really at this point you probably just need to ride out the wave and see what happens exactly right that's because you know what maybe i should be buying right now i kind of think so like probably not about i mean if ge is out there's probably a lot of more there's probably bigger problems than just losing some money here like that's the thing, too. How is this affecting? Well, it's like the same thing with all the banks. It's like, well, if these banks all go bad,

we're in way more trouble than me losing money in the stock market. Exactly. And that is kind of the case on GE. It's like, wait a second. If GE is doing this poorly, is it just a GE problem? Or is it like a whole economy it's economy it's called too big to fail you just don't have to worry about it then right that's right it's like massonomics

we're too big to fail i think at this point there we're very close to being to having that problem that's what i think we are we're there right i mean i mean yeah probably the increase in followers the increase in listeners here like yep there's probably no way we could fail at this point yeah i don't know just. Outside of just giving up. That's all I could ever think of. What we were going to talk about, though, today is Tommy DeFay Day. This is going to be Tommy DeFay Day on the Mathonomics Podcast. Kind of caught me off guard with this one.

Yeah. I figured it'd be better that way than the. Yeah. But I don't think either of us necessarily have the personality that we're gonna get on this podcast and like uh just just no because it's not that like that's a kind of a weird thing if you're not someone that's used to doing that normally like that's it's like more uncomfortable to uh take a compliment than receive a compliment sometimes. Oh, it's way tougher. I think we're both the same

personality in that it just feels weird to talk about yourself. When prompted, I can do it, but just to have to like, yeah, this is what I do. It's annoying to talk about that. But the reason for

it is, i think it's important because we've been doing this for 138 episodes you know a long stretch of time we're getting close to where it's going to be three years here pretty soon we are closing in on that yeah which is crazy um but the reason i think it's important is because over this process you know we've gained a lot of new followers there's probably someone listening to this episode right now today for the first time yeah that's never listened to a massonomics podcast before probably someone you mean probably hundreds of people i think it's thousands yeah i mean that's about how much it increases every week is thousands yes uh you know and there's probably people that even maybe started listening 10 episodes ago and

you still you've heard us ramble on about uh maybe our favorite shows and maybe basic economic policies economics uh you know uh politics and all that stuff electronics yeah uh but you probably really really don't know too much about us so uh we didn't have a lot of other hot topics to cover this week so it'd probably be a good week to throw this in there why not so uh we do have a bunch of questions to go through we popped out the question on the instagram story so so for just so i plan ahead for part two do i put out the questions on my instagram story and just say hey everyone who has questions for tanner i don't know if we'll get a whole lot of questions. I don't think a lot of people will reply,

but we'll probably get a lot of answers from a few, a lot of questions from a few people. Yeah, that's true. That's your, and this, today's exercise was also a little, there was actually several, you know, we do have enough of following that there's a decent amount of questions from just random people in there.

Yep. There's a few people that ask multiple questions, and some of them get pretty ridiculous, of course. But there's some serious questions in there too, so it'll be kind of interesting. All right. But I think before we even get into the – Oh, one other thing.

Then I've got something I think would be fun to do every once in a while, a little kind of a lightning round of questions of under underrated overrated you've teased me with this before i'm excited for this so i i think i maybe put together like eight or so and i'll i'll give you some of them are going to be lifting related some of them are going to be completely unrelated to lifting yep and i'm gonna those are mixed in there and you'll just i'll give you the the whatever it is and you'll tell me whether you think it's underrated or overrated and then provide a short answer that has to be less than 10 minutes long for each one preferably oh you know i actually before we get too far here tanner there was other one current event i just thought of in the world

this week what was it you shaved yeah and for viewers of the podcast that's true they're probably thinking who is this guy here? Who is that guy that doesn't have a chin? That's the joke around the house. Luckily, I'm not so concerned about myself. I can easily do the jokes about myself as well. If you make them about yourself, then it takes a little bit of air out of the sail yeah like if you're into the one thing as soon as as soon as you let someone know that it hurts you yeah they can just yes i mean if you can say whatever you want to someone and if

they're not happy if they're just like oh whatever it's like well it's not even fun anymore i don't it doesn't even bug them yep so uh that's been the running joke around my house last couple days is what happened to my chin and why don't i have a chin and it's funny because i went 30 years straight looking like this i never had like shaving all the time yeah all the time and then i went like less than a year of having a half-ass beard i don't even know if i call it that but whatever my you know whatever it was that was on my face and now i I go without it, and it's immediately like, oh, my God, I looked like this? Did you get a lot of comments at work? Yeah, several people were like, oh, you shaved.

I didn't get a lot of positive comments, but I got a lot of like, oh. There you are. You look different. So, yeah, everyone took notice. But I'm going to grow it back. It was just a matter. I was trimming it and it just wasn't looking right. That's what I feel like I hear. I don't really have that issue because I hardly grow any facial hair at all, but I feel like that is the most

common reason I hear for people that do grow beards or goatees. And then all of a sudden, one day it's different. Like, yeah, trimming just went really wrong. I think it's an art that I don't understand. And I don't, I definitely, I wrong. I think it's an art that I don't understand. And I don't, I definitely, I mean, I have no experience doing it because I've maybe grown it out twice here in the last year. And each time I've just then shaved it away. You know, when I had roommates, Chris, I would routinely shave Chris's beard for him. Well, because we'd do his head. And then he'd be like, can you just get the beard too?

And we'd take the whole, you know, I saw the guys at the yard will'll do it so i'm basically a master now at this point you're a maestro maestro man you know so you get in there you kind of you kind of eye it up it's like you know just carving a hedge you know you get the get the lines and you're good yeah yeah yeah so that's the that is the big news in the world that is i have uh look like a 19-year-old boy with no chin. So where should we start, Tommy? Do you think at the beginning? We probably don't need to spend a ton of time from when you're like the first 10 years of your life, but it would be interesting, I think, for people to kind of know where you come from a little bit,

like where you come from a little bit like uh school wise you know maybe even a little bit more more background than we've ever uh gone into and we'll tie what we can into lifting but i think maybe some of it won't necessarily be directly related to lifting yeah i'll try to okay i'll try not to make this too boring here okay so uh grew up in a small town in south dakota much smaller than where we're at right now even. Not far from where we live. What is it, an hour and something? Yeah, an hour and a half, 100 miles. Basically like 10 miles from Minnesota.

So pretty dang close to Minnesota. Grew up there. You know, had my brothers, a lot of friends. Small towns, you can do whatever you want. And as far as like sports whatever we did i mean what we always you you wrestled so yeah i mean so like we i was always like i've always liked like being busy doing a lot of stuff so like growing up like we'd be you know i was did like a lot like football um wrestling like we play a lot of games i'd play a lot of games

of pickup basketball i didn't play basketball'd play a lot of games of pickup basketball. I didn't play basketball, but I played a lot of games of pickup basketball with my friends, like tennis, track, skateboarding, snowboarding. Did you play tennis? Organized tennis? I did play high school tennis. I forgot about that. I was on the varsity tennis team for a little while. So were you competitive at tennis? I was awful. It just happened that we had literally the worst tennis team in the entire state. Can you do a forehand? Oh, yeah. I get topspin on it and all that. But forehand is a lot harder than backhand, isn't it? No, no, no, no, no.

In ping pong, I would say. Oh, yeah. Not in tennis, though. Not in tennis, though. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah, no, backhands in tennis are much more difficult.

So did you have a good backhand? No, I had a pretty shitty backhand. Because most guys were fairly decent, especially in the high school level. You have to have like a two-handed backhand, and I could never do a two-handed backhand. I was just a one-handed guy. My technique was terrible. I wasn't good.

Did you practice tennis a lot? I mean, a lot of my friends did it. So it was just like, what are you guys doing? Oh, we're going to the tennis court. It's like, okay, I guess I'll go. And then it's like you sit there and it's like, okay, you start playing. That's how – I mean, that was kind of – that was the same way with, like, pickup basketball games.

It's like, oh, we're all going to play basketball. It's like, well, I got nothing else to do. So it's like all of a sudden you're playing pickup basketball games. Yeah. So that's how I'd go. And, like, video games. Like, we'd play a ton of video games. What was –

I mean, like, I was huge, like, back in the huge, like back in the day, like into like RPG type games, like final fantasy, like those things. Like I never played a lot of like sports video, like a lot of people, you know, love, and especially now, like it's a totally different thing. Right. Right. Video games. If you talk about video games now, just in general.

Yeah. But like, then it was like grand theft auto, like huge into that. Like we always played a ton of like street fighter, those types of things, you know, any year Nintendo stuff, like smash smash brothers all that stuff like the classics right you know so we did a lot of that um which you kind of have to when you're in a small town because there's just not a lot of other stuff going on that's true but uh you know that i guess that was kind of the extent of me growing yeah but you you wrestled yeah so in high school so yeah did you wrestle through all i did yeah and i didn't even start school, didn't you? Did you wrestle through all years of high school? I did, yeah. And I didn't even start wrestling until I was in eighth grade.

And I think we've touched on this maybe a little bit before, but I'm 6'1". Right now I weigh 210. 6'1", 210. I feel like that's not big. That's pretty – I mean, I lift. I'm not huge by any means, but I'm also not some skinny guy walking around.

But in high school, like my freshman year, I was probably, I don't know, 5'9 or 5'10. And I wrestled 135. Like that is so skinny. And even like my junior and senior year, I wrestled 160. And at the time, I didn't have to cut any weight. Like 160 was like, damn, that's like a heavy dude. And I was pretty much as tall as I was right now. And that was like damn that's like a heavy dude right and you know i was pretty much as tall as i was right now right and that was like that's how much i weighed so it's like even now

thinking like damn could i really lose 50 pounds i'm like i think i would die if i did that that would be crazy i would die yeah so it's weird how that like your body can change over time you know because even even before and i weighed that 160 like well into like my early 20s yeah so it wasn't like it wasn't like as soon as i got done with high school because some people do that get done with high school and it's like they put on 20 30 pounds because like they're not doing shit drinking oh yeah and like i weighed pretty much 160 165 until i started going to the gym when i'm like going to the gym regularly when I was I don't know 23 ish yeah uh yeah it was so were you good at wrestling in high school I was okay like my junior

and senior year I made it to state oh that's good isn't it yeah yeah I don't know wrestling like I didn't didn't never wrestle and we didn't even have that at our school so I yeah I mean I qualified for state both years um at state I didn't I didn't do anything school. Yeah, I mean, I qualified for state both years. At state, I didn't do anything. So, yeah, I guess that's an achievement. I would say. Yeah, for whatever that is. And, like, football.

So did you play football all the years too? Yeah, I played football all my years of high school. Okay. What positions did you play in football usually? So I was pretty much always a fullback and a linebacker. And I would say defense was more of my – I like defense more. I think it was more just like – especially at the high school level, it's like just kind of like blow some stuff up and tackle someone. Pretty much if you do that in the high school level.

Oh, yeah, just almost just being slightly more aggressive. Pretty much like makes you an above average player. That's really all it takes. And so I always like defense a lot. I was always a linebacker. But then, you know, through the years I was on offense, I was a fullback. Then my senior year, because in my class we had like when I was a senior there was like four or five kids that were seniors that were out for football like there was hardly anyone that played football um so that year i got switched to alignment i was a really yeah 160 but in which in high school you'd be amazed that doesn't really actually make it like at the time i was like oh this is the

worst idea and then like once you do like you do your camps in the summer and do some scrimmages it's like oh like okay yeah these guys weigh 200 plus pounds but they're not athletic or or and most kids in high school aren't that strong either you know the bigger guys that just suck aren't better than a smaller guy no they're just heavier yeah but they're also slower and right not really that much stronger for the most part right you know especially like in these somewhat smaller schools right they're just it's i mean they're just bodies taking up space so that wasn't as bad as i actually thought it would be but yeah um but i mean that was and so so ryan uh flying ryan underscore he's been on the podcast i don't know 10 15 times probably uh lifts that mass gym with us obviously competes in powerlifting and everything else.

So he's how much younger than you? Ryan's one year younger than me. Like exactly, pretty much? Like a year and a few months. So, like, when you were growing up, was he, like, if you were going to play basketball and stuff, was he going with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He usually did a lot of that.

Yeah, like we played a lot of basketball together. Like we did tennis together. Like we skateboarded together a ton. Like skateboarding was something I really, really liked when I was younger. So we did that a lot of basketball together. We did tennis together. We skateboarded together a ton. Skateboarding was something I really, really liked when I was younger. So we did that a lot. So would you two be competitive against each other as you were growing up? A little bit. We were never overly competitive just because we just never really were.

I personally, especially when I was younger, was a very competitive person. And that kind of, I think, just over time, you're kind of like, whatever. You realize a little bit more of what. It's like, oh, it doesn't really matter for anything. But so, yeah, I don't know. I was probably pretty competitive with him. Would you ever get in a fight? Oh, yeah.

We definitely, yeah. We definitely got like, and it was even growing up, and I think anyone with brothers can relate to this, is when you were younger and WWE came on, it was just like an all-out brawl in the house basically until someone would start crying or you'd break something and your parents would have to split you up. And that literally went – I mean, actually, we could ask any of my friends. Even in high school, we'd still get together and the guys would start like wrestling and fighting with each other. And so that was like, yeah, that was always a thing.

It's like, you just got to do that. What was like, how young or old were you? Like the last time that you like played a game or something and got like mad at each other, like play a game and got mad or like, or playing,

like playing basketball or anything like that. And then like, like got mad at each other over just something stupid like that. Probably high school. Like that really, that basically disappeared after high school. It for sure happened in high school, but I don't know if it has since then. And Ryan's like 6'5". Now, was he taller than you growing up? I would say probably by the time we were like you know by the

time i was like a junior he was a sophomore right around there we were probably about the same yeah and then pretty much from his sophomore year on he's been taller than me yeah i weighed more than him though for a good chunk of that even though he was taller than me he was and even though you were you were like you said six ryan was really skinny. But, yeah, he figured out how to even it all out. Yeah. Now he walks around at more like 250 or above all the time. Yeah. But then, yeah, I guess, I mean.

Well, what about school? Like in high school, did you get good grades? So I actually did get fairly good grades. Like my high school class had like 76 kids in it, I think. I think I graduated like number 10-ish. Which these are big numbers to me when you're saying that. Most people are like, really? You had less than several hundred kids in your class?

But yeah, I always got good grades. And also looking back on it though, I think for the most part, high school, if you tried even a little bit, like, you're like, oh, that wasn't that hard. I just wanted to screw around with my friends and do nothing. Like, I think most people can look back and say that. I would agree for sure. So, yeah, I always like paying attention. I like learning stuff to this day even. So you weren't, like, getting, like, constantly in trouble. For the most part, it was A paying attention. I like learning stuff to this day even. So you weren't like getting like constantly in trouble?

No, it was for the most part, it was A's and B's. And yeah, I pretty much never got in trouble. I just kind of did what I was supposed to and just took it easy. That's what I would picture, I would say. Yeah, I would say I was fairly chill, you know, as lame as that sounds. Yeah. So then what did you do after? So then after that, I decided, um,

I decided, you know what, I'll give this graphic design thing a try. I don't, for summary, like I took some like art classes in high school, you know, I was like, Oh, this is kind of cool. And, um, somehow like the idea of that kind of came up that, yeah, you can possibly do this. So, uh, I went to a tech school in Minnesota because at the time I was like, Hmm, four-year colleges seem like a lot of money. Yeah. And which they are, which they are. And actually I'm, I'm amazed that high school me had like the insight to, it was probably kind of by accident too, but I was always fairly cheap. And like the idea of like, ah, like what a fairly cheap college is even 10 grand a year. No problem. You know, like easy.

Um, and that was at the time that, and that was, and that was over 10 years ago. Like, and prices are only rising every single year. So I was like, uh,

I don't know if I need to do all of these extra classes to go for graphic design. Like that seems like a lot. So there was a need to take bio one-on-one. Yeah. Yeah. Which I did love those class like that was probably been my set like if i didn't go for art it probably would have been something like biology related

just because those were some of my favorite classes but uh yeah i went to uh just a two-year tech school for graphic design they had a really good program like the stuff that they were doing i thought seemed really cool uh went there two and a half years it was in min Minnesota. And, uh, I liked it a lot. Like I learned a ton. Like I thought the instructors were all really good. Uh, they all had like all the instructors either currently had or previously had like high level professional jobs. So like, you really did feel like you were learning from people that like knew their stuff, not just people that were, went to school and then became a teacher. Like they had actual industry experience and they kind of gave you like, they'd kind of kind of sit you down and give you those life lessons of not like,

okay, just do your project, yep, good, you're done. They'd be like, sit down, this is why you do this, and kind of teach you some of those soft skills too. You want to be doing this type of thing, working out these angles when you're talking to people. Just the whole job market that now a lot of it does kind of seem like a no-brainer, but when you're a kid, you don't know any of that stuff. You do learn that.

If you're paying attention, you do learn that through time, but having someone explicitly sit down and tell you that stuff does make it easier. College is really cool because Minnesota, kind of northern Minnesota, it's just a really unique area like you know you have like these hills you have the woods like all these lakes so um when I was there I got super into snowboarding like that was like that was like my thing was snowboarding like we'd go me and me and one of my good buddies we'd go like four or five days a week like it was get done with class go snowboarding you know saturday morning wake up go snowboarding all day like if you're lucky someone was having a good party go to a

party then sunday around noon just go out and go snowboarding again that was like it like that was the thing yeah and uh did you get pretty good at that i got okay like um i mean some guys like could you do 1080s i could not do 1080s like my it that actually worked out really good too is that i had a friend like my friend that i would go with a lot he was good like he could do he could hit like 60 foot jumps and he could do backflips and like 720s and and he wasn't like afraid to like to me like die like he was just throw it out i was just gonna say die yeah like oh man like so like i got to the point like i could hit jumps but i never got comfortable like trying to do like 180s and 360s on like these bigger like 20 foot plus jumps yeah

but because it's minnesota and a lot of times like the snow can be a little like hit and miss as far as like the actual quantity of snow like a big thing that people do is like they'll do like rails and boxes so we spent a lot of time like doing that so you know you'd get like all these tricks down on there and so that was that was kind of like where i felt a little more comfortable is doing those small but so you could shred the gnar i could definitely shred the gnar you know and i had a good time doing it too but and that was also so then the other cool thing and this is probably kind of what sort of helped get me to this point of having anything to do with fitness is that just by random chance one of my

roommates uh while i was in college was actually um like a national champion usapl lifter right that trained under brad gillingham and so at the time like i really cool it is really cool yeah because at the time like it was so like i didn't like i'm like yeah these guys are really strong like and it was at a time when powerlifting but yeah we're talking like 2008 nine ish yeah like which is probably when raw powerlifting was in the usa yeah it had only been around for like a year or two yeah because i actually remember my roommate telling me he lifted equipped but he couldn't get anything out of a bench shirt. And so I'm trying to remember if he even said he wore a bench shirt at USAPL Nationals

and he placed like third the one year without a bench shirt, you know, while everyone else is doing it. And then it just so happens that then like the next year, Raw exists and so he could compete and win it. But that was where I learned about like Brad G killing ham and like nick nick ty luki we had him on the podcast like that's like where i first started hearing these stories i still need to have brad on the podcast soon i was just thinking about that the other day that we were we need to we need to get that lined up it's just a matter of us going and doing it really i think

he's a really busy guy yeah which makes a lot of kids and high yeah between high school and college and everything and it looks like he's always going to like conferences and conferences and all that. We'll get it figured out eventually, though. Yeah, at some point. It has to happen at some point. Yeah, yes. So, yeah, that was kind of what sort of first planted the seed. And that is also where I started, like, for the first time outside of high school, like, going to a gym regularly. But at that time, I wasn't going with this guy that was, like, the good – my roommate that was the good lifter.

with this guy that was like the good my roommate that was a good lifter because because he went with like he went to a different gym like with his buddies at a very certain time which was not the time that i had available so i was kind of just like winging it with my other friend that we're just like oh let's do this would you just bench a little would you like squat deadlift we definitely benched more yeah never deadlifted but we would squat it was pretty much just like either a bench day or a squat day and then then there was, like anyone else, lots of arms mixed in there. Right. Because when you weigh 160 pounds, you need to get those arms. You got to get those shredded arms.

Yeah. And so then leaving college is where I ended up back in South Dakota. God's country. God's country. And at the time I thought I'll probably be here for a year or two yeah here we are eight years later in Aberdeen I did come down for work yep for work you were doing graphic design work so yeah this and this was like my first graphic design like I interviewed

at a place in town I got offered this graphic design job it's like okay this gets me in the door like they're not they're not wanting me to be an intern and work for free for a year which i'm never gonna do that like that seems ridiculous yeah and they're not like paying me absolute minimum wage uh so it's like okay yeah we'll we'll use this it'll be a stepping stone it'll get me going right and you know the the quick ending of the story is i'm still here and i'm married now so you uh what year would that have been that you came to Aberdeen? It was either, I think it was 2010, I think. And did you start going to the Y and lifting right away? So no, so that was another one.

So then I kind of quit because when I first moved to town, actually that's when I picked up on skateboarding again. Like, okay, yeah, I'll just keep skateboarding. And actually while I was in college, I skateboarded a lot too. But I'm like, okay, yeah, I'll just go to the skate park a lot and that was kind of my thing and then eventually over time like it's like falling down really sucks like the older you get like when you're a kid it's not as bad but man once you hit 20 even it's like falling down is like a real life-changing event when that happens every single time and so I started going less and less there, and it just started to be less rewarding.

And it was – I worked with a guy that he would always play volleyball. Like his big thing, he loved playing volleyball. He played city league volleyball, and he also played a lot of basketball too. And he's always talking about going to the Y. And I kept telling him, like, yeah, yeah, I'll go pretty soon. And then I was like, yeah, I'm going to start next month. And he's like, why would you start next month? He's like, that makes no sense.

Just start now. He's like, what do you have going on? I'm like, nothing. Like, literally nothing. So I just went to the Y one night and just started lifting. And I was like, oh, I'm having fun with this. And I started going a little bit more. And then I'm like, well, I need something to, like, tell me what to do.

Because I'm just totally winging it. And that's when I hit up my old roommate for, like you got a program the national champ yeah yep and he's like yeah this is brad gillingham like trainer program he's like here is the program and like that's more or less the only program i've ever used and it's literally i mean i was we're talking absolute beginner but from absolute beginner to now it's probably put 600 700 pounds on my total you know and the program it's the jackals eight week strength program or something i don't know what the that's the exact name but around massonomics gym people just call it the massonomics program because so many people run that strength program so regularly three days a week and it just works really it's five by fives five by threes like it's pretty rare to find people at the

beginner intermediate level at least like because I know that from experience. We don't have a lot of national level competitors, but at the beginner and intermediate level, if you are able to stay healthy and run through it, especially multiple times, you're pretty much guaranteed to get strong. We've seen lots of people show up and literally over the course of a year put hundreds of pounds on the total and it's like lifting three days a week like and these aren't these aren't like workouts where they're doing 30 exercises 20 like it's very it's very like most days you're showing up and doing like five five lifts yep or three to five three even like yeah and like you can get really strong doing that that's you know i've seen i've never really seen it not i've seen people give up yeah you know for various reasons or not anyone i'd say this anyone that i've seen put in like a hundred percent you know really give it a real

shot it's basically gotten them stronger and maybe not on every lift every you know all the time but in general all the lifts going up yeah and there are some i would say there are like some nuances to the program where like certain people things differently yeah and like you'll find that maybe certain percentages don't quite work for you the same but it doesn't take long to kind of figure those out and make adjustments and then it just takes off for you again but that is the jackals program it is yeah it was i don't know if it's still i don't know if it's still online but there was a point where you could just go to Jackals Gym or whatever, and they had the Excel sheet online.

If anyone really wants it, message us, and I've sent it to 20, 30, 40, 50 people over the years at Mass Dynamics Gym because everyone's always like, oh, what is that that everyone here is doing all the time? Yeah, and I'm trying to think. I think online, and I haven't looked forever, but I think they had like a 12-week program on there at one point, and I think they also had a bench program on at one point too. So it would be interesting to know if those are still there. Yeah.

Or if anyone else runs those at all. It's like so hard after you get used to it, like three days a week. It's just bang, bang, bang. Like bang for your buck. When I do it, I do it because I like to lift four days a week when I can. So you're talking about the nuances. There's just one thing. Like the second benching, when I want to do it four days a week, I just do the second benching on its own day instead of after squatting.

Which I think is fine. But I think that is one of the more unique things about the program is I don't think there's a ton of programs that are three days. True. Like most people think you need to go to the gym four or five days a week or even more. And that's been like one thing like when I've told people about like lifting and everything, it's like, oh, I just don't have time to go to the gym five,

six days a week. It's like you only have to go like if you really just want to just feel a little better and get stronger, you only have to go like like if you really just want to just feel a little better get stronger you only have to go like three days like that's definitely that's all that's needed and like in the as far as frequency you're still really technically squatting twice a week benching twice squatting and benching twice a week deadlifting once a week and i think that'd be normal for frequency on deadlift to be a little bit lower so yeah um but so that's so yeah so yeah so that's my my former roommate he uh that was his program that's what he ran and uh it worked for him and it worked for a lot of guys that he lifted

with and uh that's kind of what he sent me and i started doing that and it was just like every if it's an eight-week program just every eight weeks was getting stronger every eight weeks every eight weeks and this whole time we're going to the you know the local ymca and that's kind of where i started to run into like you and some of the other guys is that we just all happen to have regular 8 to 5 jobs where we get done, and around 5, 30, 6, 30, everyone starts showing up. After years of that, you start to recognize the same people. There's that guy, and he kind of does what I do.

Not being a total jackass over there. Maybe we're not so different that is what it's like though you know we're i probably i i honestly can't even remember but we were probably at the gym at the same time probably like you know i don't even know probably several times before it's like oh oh that guy again you know probably a lot of times yeah yeah before we started being like oh we kind of do the same sort of thing here yep and so yeah it was it was the i guess the the co-worker that kind of got me to go to the gym and even with that i at the time got into volleyball then and like i actually did i have men's league volleyball if you can get on a competitive team and like you can actually get people that know

what they're doing it's a lot of fun yeah you know like people talk about like city league basketball and how people get so like aggressive and take it so seriously. I played a lot of the years of City League basketball and got in many close – very often close to fist thrown in City League basketball. Yeah, see, I do not need that in my life at all. I don't need that frustration because I would get really competitive and I'd get too frustrated. It's bad. And then when people are running their mouth, I don't need that negativity in my life.

So that is – I quit basically because of that reason yeah it sucks yeah and that is like the nice thing about like volleyball is that you have one people on one side of the net and people on the other and you kind of have to be civil you know but it is a fun game and i was fairly good at jumping you know like yeah i could never dunk a basketball just because it was more the palming thing yeah but i was for quite a while up until even a few years ago i could dunk a i could dunk a volleyball uh-huh um just because you know a lot easier to grab yep but uh i'm i don't i know for a fact i could not dunk a volleyball i know i could

grab the rim still but um there's no way i'm dunking yeah but it is kind of weird how you can gain like 45 pounds and only lose a couple inches off your vertical like you're getting stronger yeah and that's what it is it's like it's like for every little bit you get stronger you also get heavier yeah and then after a while there's a decrease in the jump you know it's like oh going to 600 pound squat isn't going to make me jump any higher and that was like one of my initial things like when i first started going to the gym like okay yeah squats like leg stuff like i'm going to be able to jump really high like i'm going to be able to dump it like this is my thing there is for a while where it's yeah you do see yeah yeah especially just like

with all of it those newbie gains in the beginning i know i experienced the point in time there where i wasn't getting super heavy but i had started to just do a normal squatting and stuff where it's like oh i can jump higher and it's like and then you start to get like heavier yeah it's like well if i get weight i can squat more it's like, well, if I gain weight, I can squat more. It's like you're trading off goals. And what about professionally then? Eventually, like you don't work for someone else anymore. So, yeah.

So then I actually, and that was, so I worked for this company doing, when I first moved to town, I worked for this company doing like, it was a printing company. So I did a lot of graphic design website design logo design you know all the all the your standard design things one of the nice things about it is I got to during that time I didn't know a ton about website design specifically like HTML CSS PHP coding all those things you know and I got a lot of like hands-on like on the job learning and if you're smart like if someone's training you if you're like someone's paying you to learn stuff on the job like you got to really pay attention, like if someone's training you, if you're like, someone's paying you to learn stuff on the job, like you got to really pay attention to that, you know, cause like you can use that and that can like really serve you later on. And, uh, it worked

out like, and I also did a lot of photos and videos for him too at that time. And it worked out that, um, got, got decently good at it. And, you know, kind of while this is going on, I actually had a different place, uh, approach me about working for them. And kind of while this was going on, I actually had a different place approach me about working for them. And it was a management position. It was like, okay, this seems like a good time to go up on this. And did that for a few years. And it was a good opportunity. But it kind of just comes to the point where it's like, maybe I want to give it a shot and do my own thing here.

Because some things are also coming up that presented themselves that, you know, it was an advantageous time to take advantage of that. And in the line of work you do, like it's, I don't know anyone that's probably really good at that job event. That's probably the path that you go towards is that like you, I mean, yeah, yeah. I guess if I'm going to live like currently my situation living here was either work for myself or move. Like those are kind of my two options. Like, cause at some point, especially like in smaller markets, there's not a lot of chances for upward mobility in certain positions, you know,

that there's some people that have just been there a really, really long time and you're not going to get above them. And unless you want to like wait out 10 years or more, that's not going to happen. And so, yeah, starting my own thing kind of seemed like the way to go. And I guess I don't know. I'm trying to – I start my own business, Tom and Me Creative. Yeah. Yeah, you've never –

I'm trying to like think what we've even talked about. I don't think we've ever talked about it. Yeah, so it was like last August. So it's been a year in two three months um decided to finally go out on my own i started tommy d creative and uh you know it's offering people websites kind of all the things i just said websites graphic design photography uh video work logos there could be people listening i think that could that could be interested. Definitely, yeah. You would do it services for people nationwide, right? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

And I do work with clients from all over the country. It's worked out for me good that a lot of the people I used to work with in my old jobs really enjoyed working with me, and I still had a relationship with them. And so they heard that I was going on my own, and came to me right away, which was great to like have that, um, and not be like, okay, sitting here tootling your thumbs, like hoping money's going to show up. So that really got me going. But yeah, I'm always, I'm always, you know, looking for more work. And if people have a project, uh, you can hop on my website, I have a form or, or an email address on there and you can, uh, send me anything and we can set up a conversation to talk about it and figure out what you've got going

and what your goals are and what you want to see happen and figure out if I'm a good fit for you. TommyDCreative.com. TommyDCreative.com, yeah. There's some good massonomics pictures on there for projects that you've worked on. There's also a lot of massonomics work and things on there. And so that also kind of ties into it a little bit too is, you know, and we've talked about this quite a bit. I'll just do the super short version.

But it was basically, you know, you were at the gym and you talked about how you were kind of starting like a YouTube channel. Like a YouTube blog channel. And so I would like talk to you about a logo. And I'm like, yeah, I can do something. And you were like on vacation in Florida, I think. And I had been like playing around with some ideas in my head for a while and kind of drawing some stuff out. And then one day it's like it kind of hit me and I got this thing put together. And I'm like, I feel pretty good about this.

But like I really don't know Tanner. I don't know if he'll go for this at all. Who knows? We'll see, whatever. And I send you the logo and you're like, damn, that's really awesome. I remember I was in Florida and I showed it to everyone. I was like, oh, chick. I was like, this is it.

Yeah, that is the luck. It has not changed at all since, I mean, that's probably four years ago. Yeah. I'm sure that was in 2014. It has not changed one bit. No. Um, which is kind of fairly unusual. I think a lot of times people make little tweaks to it. Yeah. No. When I saw that, I was like, Oh yeah. Like, cause I didn't, I didn't even know I didn't have an expectation even in like, I didn't really, I just, i think i remember

saying like i like that idea of a large m you know like which of course and you said i really like red yeah yeah it was like my two yeah like oh i really got the details down on that one so you had some kind of free reign on uh like luckily my my discovery process is slightly more refined than that now but uh yeah but yeah you're like, yeah, I like red. And I don't know, like an M seems kind of cool. And I thought about it for a little while and put this together. And you're like, damn, that's awesome. And so then it was kind of from there because, you know, I worked in an environment where the stuff is produced.

It was like, yeah, we can make shirts. Like we can do all this stuff. And that's kind of where the wheels first started spinning. Like, oh, this is kind of cool, like making stuff. And stuff and like when you first started seeing people wearing your things around town like yeah they're really cool like just go into a bar or some you know random store around town and someone's like wearing something you made it's like oh that's pretty cool actually and like i don't know who you are it's it's really i mean it's always anytime i ever see someone in mass and i'm like anything if especially if they're especially if they're not in my close circle of 10 friends and family, it's like, oh.

Oh, yeah. And I still get excited for it. But now it's almost getting to the point where I've designed a lot of t-shirts. I've designed a lot of things. And this literally hit me the other day because I also am on a bowling league now, too. But I was at the bowling alley, and there was a guy there in a shirt that I designed. And I want to say there was someone else there in a Masonomics hat too. And I'm like, you know, a couple years ago, I would have been like, what?

This is crazy. And now it's like I don't even think twice about it. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not even going to bother to tell the guy I made this shirt because they don't care. Do you do that? No. But if you're talking with someone, you probably do that. Oh, yeah, yeah.

If I was talking with someone or if I was somewhere outside of town, and I saw someone massing out like stuff, I'd have to be like, hey, yeah, just so you know what that is. My dream is to be walking through an airport. When I'm in the airport, I am constantly scanning. Like, I want to see someone, you know, outside of. We have had people, like, people from the gym. Like, on the way to and from the Arnold, too, like that happens. We have had people, you know, Jake from the gym, he was in Dominican Republic,

and he ran into someone in the lift shirt. Which is crazy. I want that to happen to me someday. Yeah, I'd freak out. So, yeah. But you've designed everything that we've ever, you know, every shirt and every single thing. Yeah, like the website and all this stuff. Yeah, all the merchandise.

And, you know, we're always like throwing ideas at each other. But like getting this stuff and like making it and kind of like seeing this little business, it's like, oh, it's really, really rewarding to like kind of just like have ideas in your brain and you make them. And then people think that that's valuable and like that, you know. And that's, it's a cool feeling.

And I don't think a lot of people really get to experience that for the most part in their normal jobs. Right. No. And I like it. Like it's, it's hard to, it's hard to like beat that. Yeah. Uh, powerlifting wise, before I forget, you've done like four meets now. What was your first total? I know we've talked about these before, but just like 11 something it was probably like a low 11s it was for sure low 11s like 11 10 or 15 maybe this last year pr total was 14 07 something like that and you've kind of done one meet a year over the last four years or something like that yeah yeah i've done one meet every march for four years yeah yeah yeah it's pretty much put 100 pounds of my total every year just about yeah so that's kind of the really quick – I mean, that's the one thing we have talked about is our lifting background a little bit.

So I think people kind of know, but it's still just interesting to hear the numbers on that, I think. Yeah. And that's not what – you've gotten bigger over time from when you started lifting. Yeah, my first competition I did, I weighed in at 183. Oh, yeah. Ours at 181. It might be 183 in USAPL. It's been so long now.

83 kilos. Now you compete in the 105 or whatever it is, right? Yep, you're 231. Weighed in at a hefty 220-ish. Should I ask you some of the fan questions? We probably should. We're 40 minutes in already. And there is quite a few questions here,

and I do want to still get to the underrated questions. Okay, so we'll kind of rapid- old-boy questions. Okay, okay. So we'll kind of rapid-fire some of these a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Some of these will be a pretty quick-answered question, I think, anyways. Let's see here. Got to get to it. But we did get a good response, I felt like.

That's good. All right. I'm going to start from the from the beginning here looks like we got about 20 questions or so favorite lacroix flavor and go-to beer okay favorite lacroix right now lime is my favorite lacroix okay it's have you had lime is there a lemon lime or is it just lime because there is so there is lemon okay there is lime i think i've had lime there might be to me lime has the strongest flavor. It's just really, really good.

So you're saying you can almost taste it. Actually, no, I'm going as far as saying you can taste it. That is the strongest flavor. As soon as I'm done with this podcast, I'm going upstairs grabbing a lime LaCroix and sitting on the couch and doing nothing. I like LaCroix, but I also like to make fun of LaCroix, too. Someone was trying to explain bashing on it the other day, which I totally get, and I was in that same position at one point. This is how I would say – if I could describe LaCroix, I would use a line from The Office, and that is challenging yet rewarding. It's because I feel like everything is so sugary now that it's just like bam, bam.

It's just hammering on your taste buds because everything is designed to be so addictive and so intense and so sugary now that it's just like bam, bam. Like it's just hammering on your taste buds. Like, cause everything is designed to like be so addictive and so intense and so sugary that to like have something that's a little more mellow and a little more subtle and you kind of have to be like, Hmm. Okay. Yeah. So that, that is where it like LaCroix is different and unique in that way. Yeah. Um, it is still fun to make fun of it though. Oh yeah, absolutely. And I, and I, if you want to hate on it, I totally get it. Yeah. But I like, I like him. I, yeah, absolutely. And if you want to hate on it, I totally get it. Yeah. But I like them. I drink them a lot.

And go-to beer. Go-to beer. This changes a lot for me, and I feel like it also changes with the seasons. Like, you know, you don't want, like, a really dark porter or stout in the middle of summer. That doesn't work. For a while, actually, I would say the most recent beer that I've had that I've been like, oh, I really enjoy this, was, like, this summer, K most recent beer that I've had that I've been like, Oh, I really enjoy this was like this summer Kona big wave. I'd never had it until the summer.

I don't, it, maybe it's existed. It just didn't show up around here until the summer. Really enjoyed it. Is that anything like Kahlua? No, it is. Think about what you know about Kahlua and think the exact opposite. And then you're basically there. Uh, it's just, it's a, it's a lighter beer, but it has, it has a little more flavor. Uh, it's a it's a lighter beer but but it has it has a little more flavor uh it's it's a good summer beer i like it a lot

so that's your go-to you'd say well right but right now it's winter time i'm not going to be drinking that so right now i don't know right now i'll go with whatever whatever seasonal like porter i like a good porter or stout okay that was from uh brandon this next one is from will aj i never know how to say his name, but he's a regular commenter. Yeah, we see the comments. Are you a stunt double for the Workaholics actor? I've got that a lot. We should actually.

Sure you've heard that. We almost should with this podcast or something. Have you seen the photo I have of me? Dressed up for Halloween. You have dressed up as him for Halloween. I haven't watched Workaholics for a while, but shouldn't blake yeah and the resemblances at the time i grew out a mustache and everything like i was much skinnier than like it was pretty spot on you wearing the short sleeve button i had the short sleeve button up with the tie yeah we'll we'll uh

see if we can round up that picture what do you think of the questions about you being blake from workaholics do you ever get sick of that or, and actually I used to get it a lot. Workaholics used to be a lot bigger. They're done now. But I was skinnier too. It was like more college age. It was just like the perfect storm that especially if I went out with some friends in a town that's not here, like a different town, it was everywhere.

Blake, Blake, Workaholics. Did that ever get annoying though i was just like whatever dude like i'm just like everyone's drunk and obnoxious i'm probably being drunk and obnoxious too like hey if it keeps you happy uh um relationship status asking for a friend from leah lach Well, I am happily married. That was my wife. Will, again, this is a legitimate question, and I don't know what it is.

What is your opinion of Inkscape? Inkscape. Oh, that is... What is Inkscape? It's a... You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's like a vector graphics program, and it's a lot cheaper. Because I use the Adobe suite. The Adobe suite, yeah, Creative Cloud.

I don't think there's anything wrong with those programs, especially because not everyone can be dumping. That's a cheaper, it would be a cheaper alternative. Yeah, so the Creative Cloud, the graphic design software that I use to run my business runs about 60 bucks a month. And for anyone that wants a hobby, 60 bucks a month is probably a little much if you're not making any money on it. Um, if you run the business, every tool you need basically for 60 bucks a month, that's a great deal. But, uh, so I think like tools like that, that, you know, you could, I don't even know what it costs, if it's 50 bucks or 100 bucks, but if you can pay that once and get involved

and that inspires you to want to do more. Could be a transitional. Yeah, it could be a transitional thing. I think it's great. It's not like the industry standard by any means, so at some point you would probably need to move over, but I'm all for tools that get people involved in things. Yep.

This is also from leah if you had to choose between bernie or her who would you choose um can i like wrap them both up and take them both with me that's not the question okay i'll say i'll say leah maybe but just let's hope you don't have to make that. Well, Bernie can't understand English completely yet, so his feelings can't be hurt. Let's hope you're not on a ship that's sinking and there's only room for two in a lifeboat and you have to make that call.

It could be a tough decision. What was the best skate shoe from the 2000s? Do you know who asked this question? Probably my brother. Best skate shoe. From the 2000s. From the 2000s. I would know who asked this question my brother i was flying best skate shoe okay so from the 2000s from the 2000s so 2000 to 2009 so there was some there was some really famous ones from this time and any i'm sure most people a lot of people can probably remember like you know if you look up like some etnies and some like some dcs and some osirises from that time

like there's probably some things that'll kind of give you like the blast from the past. As far as iconic goes, not saying it's for the right reasons, the Osiris D3 is, you know, on a whole level of its own. The S-Excel, obviously a classic, still around to this day. I had some, what i thought were pretty cool some etnies mike valelis i thought those were pretty awesome but um i don't know those are all pretty classics the dc i think was like the dc i think it was like the manteca or something i had a lot of friends i had those were like 50 bucks they were super cheap but they were like a good shoe

those are kind of like some of my fond memories. Don't underestimate the Adidas Superstar 2G for skateboarding. Are you familiar with that shoe? Yes, I know that shoe. Those were very popular for a while. There was not a boy alive that I knew that did not own a pair of those. Those were hot. Just what color stripes did you have? Could you go red or classic blue?

Yeah, and the thing that I was wondering is, like, dad shoes are, you know, like the whole dad shoe thing. When are those coming back? Well, I'm surprised those haven't came back just because, like, that's stylish. Is it Adidas Superstar 2G or 3G? I can't remember. I think it was the 2G. Okay, 2G. I thought it was the 2G.

Yeah, is the common one. I don't know if it was a good skate shoe, but. Probably not the best. When are you, this is from Night from nightmare muscle when are you going to drop a massonomic singlet or log for presses not sure what that is so technically we do have a we do have a singlet available special a special order on the store i think nightmare the nightmare muscle guys might make sing they i we'll probably have to talk to those guys because they do have a lot of guys in singlets yeah their singlets look good yeah we'll probably have to talk to those guys about it. We should, because they do have a lot of guys in singlets. Yeah.

And their singlets look good. Yeah, we'll probably have to talk to you guys about that and see if we can't maybe get – because we have a singlet special order program we can do right now. I think they haven't figured out better than we do, though. Yeah, exactly. We need to up our game there. That's true. This is from Lift Evil.

Was Tommy on Workaholics? He's still sexy, though. We already covered that. Well, thank you for that. Yeah, see back five minutes ago until you get the answer to that. But maybe I was. You'll never know. Josh Albright, how do I get hair as luscious as yours?

Well. There are a few hair questions in here. Well, you're kind of just born with it, Josh. You're screwed, man. Next question is, what products do you use on your locks? Okay, products. I will give information here. That's from my sister.

Okay. She wants to know what products you use. Conditioner is key. Shampoo. Don't even really need it. Hardly ever. Curly hair tends to be naturally very dry. Shampoo only dries it out more so almost don't

need to shampoo my hair uh found that one out looking around online i took your advice from that because i wash my hair twice a day basically because i i just always just i have to but now at least at least one of those times i just use conditioner instead of shampoo really it really makes it nice but so that was big and then uh you've got to have, for sure, with curly hair, you have to have some Moroccan oil, or you get the driest, craziest mess, so you spray a little Moroccan oil in. Sometimes I have a protein spray or something I spray into,

and those take care of it. And actually, it's funny, because someone else that I follow on Instagram, it's a pretty big account, and the guy has really curly hair, and someone asked him the same question. Like, how do you make your hair so, or how do you take care of your hair? He's like, gotta have the Moroccan oil, dude. So I'm not the only one.

Another hair thing. Does your hair give you your strength? Well, I've never not had it since I started lifting, so we can't rule that out. That is a possibility. This isn't a question on there, but would you ever cut your hair short? At some point, yeah, it's going to get thin and it's going to have to happen. But that's not a plan in the near future? I don't think so.

That would be weird. It would be because I've had long hair since I've been 20. I'm going to 10 years of long hair. At the time, it seemed like a cool thing. I can grow my hair out. Why don't I give this a shot? And then you just do it. It's like, well, it's kind of my thing now.

Well, that's almost a part of your, at this point, it would be just really. It's the mystique, right? What's your go-to beer to drink? We already covered that. Why doesn't your dog, Bernie, have his own Insta? He does. Oh, he does.

Yeah. He has his own Instagram account. Yeah, my wife started him one. Bernie the Bernadoodle. Oh. Check him out. On Instagram. Very, very adorable. That hair gave you strength.

That was from Scott Dodds. Also from Scott Dodds, would you be stronger with a beard? Probably, but I can't grow one. You'll see my poor attempt at facial hair very soon here. From Roscoe, how much you bench? One word. How much you bench? Right now, not as much as i

should be but what most i've ever got in the gym i've gotten 350 uh in a meet the best i've gotten is 325 or three you've gotten that pretty quick like it was a situation where yeah oh i tried jumping yeah i tried jumping to almost 340 you probably would have been good for yeah yeah but touch and go i'm one of Yeah. But touch and go. I'm one of the guys that touch and go. Like I don't slam it down. Yeah, you don't really. But for me, touch and go compared to a pause, pause takes like 10 to 15.

15 off easy for me. I don't know who this is, but I guess you probably will. When did you decide that you wanted to be a T.J. Miller lookalike? Oh. Who is T.J. Miller? uh see and i didn't know this one for a while he is the guy he's from uh uh silicon valley he's uh here i'll find a picture here for you i assume he has long curly hair yeah you'll you'll recognize him here uh i can't think about movie he's in tj miller uh so we're looking up for photos do you recognize this TJ Miller.

So we're looking up for photos. Do you recognize this guy at all, Tanner? Oh, yeah. I don't think you – I guess I don't. It depends, I guess. On his exact look. Yeah, he's a Deadpool. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It depends on the look he has going on. He's a little too zany, I think. Yeah. I have had people tell me that I look like him, though, before. That's not the first one. Last question from these guys. I can't quite read it all. I don't know how this is supposed to work. How did you make your own power company?

I'm not sure about that. Power, could that be a misspelled? It could have been an autocorrect. Don't know about that. And do you make your own shirts, or do you have another company print them for you? I think is what it probably says. So maybe it was,

how do you make your own apparel company? I bet that's what it is. I bet that's what it is. So was it, how do you make your own apparel company? Yeah. And do you make your own shirts or do you have anyone?

And then it trails off. I think anyone else print them for you. So apparel company, I mean, really just need to, now is the easiest time in the world to do something like that. You just need to have an idea and design it up and find a shirt to put it on. The hard part is getting someone to buy it. Yeah, that's the hardest part. Like you probably, wherever you are in the world right now,

are just miles down the road from someone that will print something and put it on a shirt for you. Or if you don't want to deal locally, you can go online and find tons and tons of people that will make a shirt and print it for you. But, yeah, the real challenge is finding someone that wants to buy something from you. And that's with anything. You might feel like you have a good idea, but until you can get people that will actually give you money for that, Your idea maybe isn't as good as you think it is. So that's just what – and there's so many things out there online. If you really want to do it, you can spend one weekend and learn a ton and have an apparel company launch relatively soon.

And we do not print our own shirts. Oh, yeah, we do not print our own. Nope, nope. We've always gone with a different vendor. We both work full-time jobs. You have a family. I have a wife. I feel like massonomics, between the website, the blog, the podcast, social media, going to the gym, all that stuff, there is just not physically time for us to be printing our own stuff.

I've said before, like I've said this to my wife before, I'm like, I would love to be i would love to i would love to have that oh yeah the barrier to entry to me isn't us buying the equipment we could do that if we wanted to yeah the barrier to entry to me i feel like if i absolutely had like i could figure out the time if it was like set up if i had the space in my own uh home you know. But the big thing to me is just, like, it's a skill to be able to do that well. It's a skill. It's an art. You don't just go up and push the button. It's not like you're printing out something on a piece of paper and you file print and you go, like.

Yeah, exactly. It's not an inkjet printer. Like, you would need someone to train you to do that well, I think. And you'll even find, if you go through this, that with different vendors, you'll find wild different levels of quality and what people think is acceptable. Like even placement. A lot of people don't even understand the basics of placement on this stuff. And we do some complicated-ish stuff.

Like we do some – the Lyft shirt, our most popular shirt is a four-color print. Like that's not as easy as – there's a difference in a one-color and a four-color. There's a lot of stuff you learn. I've learned even just from – Yeah, just about the printing industry. You've learned a lot about it. Right, that I wouldn't have known otherwise. Now I'll get into these underrated and overrated.

Okay. And we've got a little time, so we don't have to buzz through them. And I guess I only did six or seven here. So your options are, these are either to you underrated or overrated. I feel like you've got to try to pick one of those because that puts it in a black and white. Yeah. And it's tough. You know, you have to like, there's no like, yeah, right.

Right. Um, so number one, underrated or overrated second season of making a murderer. Uh, well, I think people all say it sucks. So I think I don't say it sucks, but I think the general consensus is that it's not as good as the first. So by that, I'm going to say it's underrated because I enjoyed it. Most people didn't like it. I found it enjoyable, so I'm going to say it's underrated. Okay.

And you have seen it all. I have seen it all. And I haven't seen it, so that was a personal – Oh, you haven't seen it yet. So that was like giving me some insight. I'm going to say it's underrated just because when I got done watching it, most people were like, nah, not as good, not very good. And you thought it was worth your time.

I thought it was worth my time. Okay. So underrated. Underrated or overrated? Walked out squats. Walked out squats. I think they're underrated. I like walked out squats. Yeah yeah i think a lot of people

i don't know i like why why do we need to make everything easier like if the name of the game is to be strong why do we need to make like whippier bars and the widest plates and not walk out squats and like just let anything go like if the name of the game is to really be strong like then let's do things that prove you're strong besides like in the smallest, smallest, like subset of what you weigh and how you do it. Like just be strong,

man. Yeah. So locked out squats underrated. Yeah. Um, underrated or overrated Thanksgiving food. Hmm. Well,

I think Turkey's overrated. Definitely. Turkey's good if you smother it in gravy and don't have white meat. Ham? Ham's underrated. Ham's great. You know, if you're lucky enough to have like prime rib or something on your Thanksgiving. I don't think that's, I don't think we can call that Thanksgiving food.

Okay, that's not allowed to sneak in there. I think it's got, you've got to we can call that Thanksgiving food. Okay, that's not allowed to sneak in there. I think it's got, you've got to say turkey, ham, stuffing, gravy, corn. See, I like all those things. Pumpkin pie. I love all those things except turkey. Like turkey, I'm so indifferent on.

Yeah. So Thanksgiving food is, Thanksgiving food's overrated. People love to freak out about it. I agree. You can make that stuff all, do you know how easy it is to make stuffing? I remember the first time I made stuffing, I was like, that's it?

You put this little box in the little pot and you wait five minutes? I get people make it from scratch, and I do not doubt that that's a lot of work, but the stuff in the box tastes really good. It takes five minutes, and it's like a dollar. Thanksgiving's half done already there um so overrated thanksgiving food underrated or overrated wrist wraps for the bench press i guess i don't even know that was like a debate i don't think it is it's just something that i because i who i who i saw um it was one of these big bench pressers maybe it was julius maddox or something yeah and he said not wearing any wrist straps and i just thinking about so that made me think like

i think and then i think you think about it as like are they like well i think making a big deal about it is overrated because it's it part – that's part of every federation. So it's just like – it'd be like talking about, I don't know, not wearing socks to play basketball. Like, okay, I guess, but I don't really know. I guess if it feels like it makes you more competitive, sure. Yeah. So what did you –

So I think wrist wraps are underrated. I didn't say these were all going to be intelligent it's it's rated uh this one goes back a little bit to uh this fall fall time year and food pumpkin spice in insert here pumpkin spice flavored fall see i don't do i don't have a problem with it it all tastes good but i don't get excited for it at all so i'm gonna say overrated yeah the most pumpkin spice i get really for anything is pumpkin pie yeah um last one here underrated or overrated spotify premium oh underrated like you have to have as far as i'm concerned if you want to be a music fan and you don't have a music subscription service, you're doing it wrong.

Yeah. I mean, you could be buying tons of music. But is Spotify premium the one to – Oh, you have? Oh, compared to other ones? Yeah, that's not necessarily what I'm – but now I'm asking you that now. Like, is that the one that you would offer? I haven't used the other ones.

See, I'm an Apple guy, and I won't even – I don't think I'd use Apple Music. It probably plays nicer with all my stuff but uh i like spotify i don't think i would like titles one two i would i don't would never do title and uh i mean those are i think kind of the three main players okay so spotify underrated you need that in your life don't be listening to Pandora. You're doing it wrong if you have Pandora. God. Oh, it blows my mind how bad Pandora is. Yeah. What are we at? We're at an hour and five minutes.

Just out of our normal segments, we'll just even skip big lifts for the week, but I did just want to do one comment of best Instagram slash YouTube comment of the week, and this goes out to many people who held this same title. It was on a recent versus that we reposted. It was curling, the Olympic sport of curling versus curls. Bradley Martin was the man in the picture doing the curls. And he had the, what's it called again? Yeah, that thing that you. Arnold's like the arm blaster. Yeah, yes uh against his elbows that you have curls with and the bottom mass dynamics versus

line was modeled by and on the left i think it was intense asian lady on the right it said brad castleberry question mark question mark it was obviously bradley martin and it was a joke like uh like like who would not know who which was who either one of these guys are if you're like into this and like we would make that and put question marks be like oh we're not really sure who this is like could someone tell us uh but about this best comment goes out to about 20 different people on that post and the comment is that's bradley martin hey now we know we can fix it for next time right yes uh thanks goes out to all the people on there that like regged on those people that said dude it's a joke you know like um but it's it's fun because that just means it's getting out to so many people that don't even understand our

thing because anyone that follows us knows that we know that that is bradley martin yeah like they've been spending too much time like following serious pages and yeah forget that things can be fun yes uh otherwise i think we'll skip the rest of the segments but that that was basically the story and life of uh tommy defay this week on the massonomics podcast that's something different than what we've ever done before. You guys could let us know what you thought about that. Hopefully it wasn't too boring. If you've got any follow-up questions, we're not going to go.

We can bang through those. We probably won't do a whole other episode. We can answer your questions. Let us know if you've got any follow-up questions about the life of Tommy. What did you think of that going through your um you know it's like the same it's always like uh talking about myself yeah it's probably like i think people will find it interesting you know people that have listened to us for a long time too to find out a little bit more about what's going on uh so that's that's that's tommy um stuff, you guys know the stuff, but the biggest thing, again, we talked about it last week, is the new apparel that will be out.

By the time you're hearing this. By the time you're hearing this. Before you're hearing this, actually. Like lots of new stuff. Yeah. Within two days from now, I mean, that doesn't even make sense, what I'm saying, but within two days of when we're sitting here recording this, we'll have that in our store.

Bench shirt will be fully restocked all the way up to 4XL, and all the three new sweatshirts will be dropped. The Lyft logo crew neck in gunmetal heather gray, the hoodie bench logo in heather blue, and the camel hoodie eagle logo will all be available in the store. But act quickly after our big Black Friday sales. Who knows what's going to be left in that store. We might just be like cockroach scurrying across.

We'll be sweeping the floor in the warehouse and just closing up shop. Probably won't have any lift shorts left after our big Black Friday. This will already have happened by then, but there will have been a 25-cent discount. I already set up the promo code today. The promo code is RichGetRicher. As it should be. And it's for 25 cents off on any pair of lift shorts. So don't say we never did anything for you. No, we did it. I think that's about it should be. And it's for 25 cents off on any pair of lift shorts. So don't say we never did anything for you.

No, we did it. I think that's about it, though. Check us out on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram. What's your handle? We didn't even talk about your Instagram handle, did we? No, we didn't talk about that really at all. Now's the time. You can find me at Tomahawk underscore D.

Lately, it's mostly just dog-related stuff. But he's got his own page now. He does. Oh, and the dog has his own page, Bernie the Bernadoodle. Maybe you could put his page link in your Instagram. Link to it in mine. And you can follow the official Masanomics Instagram account at Masanomics. And that'll do us.

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