Massenomics Podcast - Ep.140: The Return of Brad "Night Moves" Neitzel

Episode Date: December 10, 2018

Brad "Night Moves" Neitzel returns to the Massenomics Podcast for the third time.  Our main topic of conversation revolves around the concept of co-mingling strongman training with powerlifting training throughout the year.. how to successfully compete at both... and why it's fun to do both.

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But I've moved over three feet to the left because we have a guest with us. We've got Big Brad Neitzel. How's it going, Brad? I'm pretty good. Brad, you've been on the podcast before. Have been on once or is this your second or third time this is the third time okay so once at tyler's house once in the cities and once at my house you're kind of making your rounds just moving up in the world it's kind of like on saturday night live uh the hosts always talk about oh yeah how many, you get the same people over and over.

Yeah, now you're on your third. You're getting into a pretty exclusive club being on the show for three times now. Like, Ryan probably is the only person that has more co-hosting spots than you. I would think so. I don't know who else has done it more than three times. I'm really thinking hard, but I don't think anyone has. That's rare air. It is.

Are you honored and privileged? I am honored. Or is it just am I the only one you guys can convince to go there? We don't need to go there. Yeah, everyone else did it once. I'm like, oh, that's what you guys do? I'm not doing that again. Man, once was enough.

do i'm not doing that again once was enough uh brad uh you're from what what is just your general background for those of you those out there that hadn't heard the first times like where you're from and uh what do you do so i'm originally from from from wisconsin and now i live in minneapolis i just uh graduated from chiropractic school so did you just graduate like I graduated in May yep so now you're cracking backs and taking names and cashing checks hopefully one day at least it's the name of the game um so I mean I don't know if you wanted to talk much about this or not or but are you what are your plans for the future as far as career wise then now that you graduated and so I'm in the process of opening my own gym that's going to be north of minneapolis and i'll have my is it going to have the world's largest collection

of treadmills in it oh obviously i thought so we'll probably have like one else in the corner okay okay and then i'll have my clinic attached to that as well okay i'll be opening in 2019 it'll be like a compound of just it's where i'm basically gonna spend the rest of my life yeah do you think for job security purposes like you could intentionally get people to use uh improper lifting techniques like to make sure that they keep coming back create a whole like the gray area you can create a whole series of videos with improper lifting techniques and just have them playing all over the gym all the time. I mean, if you can create a problem, find a solution. Yeah, usually you find a solution for an existing problem,

but here you can actually create the problem and the solution and put them together and you get rich on both ends. It is the perfect plan, the perfect business plan. Yeah, I do like that. What about your lifting background? I mean, you've been lifting for several years now, and what do you compete in, or what's your most recent competition? Yeah, so when I was growing up, I raced motocross for 10 years,

and then I did my first powerlifting meet in 2011. I did a few bodybuilding shows in high school and then I started strongman four years ago now and I've been bouncing back and forth between powerlifting strongman since. So what are your uh what are your best powerlifting numbers uh uh in a meet or so I guess when's the last time you've done a powerlifting meet? July. Okay. So my best numbers from there was, was it 672 squat, because I missed 705 for depth, 402 bench, and then I pulled 760 that day. And what's that for a total then? It was 1835, I think it was.

So you've been tracking upwards, obviously, over the years. So would you say you're now on pace? What you'd be closing in on is getting closer to a 2,000-pound total? Yep, that's going to be the goal for the spring. Okay. So you've got a meet plan that you're probably going to do, and that would be what you're hoping for. So what would the breakdown be to get to 2,000 for you?

It'll probably be a high 700 squat. I think it was like 770 is high in reference to the depth or the so that's that's i'm gonna squat as high as i can to look at those two lights and then a uh 440 bench and a 800 pound deadlift that wouldn't be a bad good even number yeah and that's in the uh uh 198 Yep, I'm going to cut from 302 to 198. What about your weight over the time? I mean, you're the biggest now that you've ever been, I would say. But at the start of your lifting, what did you weigh?

How has that changed over the years? I think my very first meet, I was 242. And then I did a bodybuilding show i was my first strongman was at 220 so i was 220 years ago that's hard to picture now and will this meet be 308 is oh yeah yeah i'm not gonna cut to 75 yeah well i don't know maybe you're gonna just push it even more oh show plane 400 and you you've done that's kind of your powerlifting numbers and some of your powerlifting background now you recently more recently you've done a that's kind of your powerlifting numbers and some of your powerlifting background. Now, recently, more recently, you've done a couple big strongman competitions. What were some of the lifts that you put up there?

So I did a strongman core nationals at the end of October, and there was a – was it a 325 axle? And where was that at? That was in Missouri. Was that the first time you've done, like, major traveling? That was the first national strongman I've done. You've probably qualified other times and could have done it before? Yeah, I've been qualified every year, but it just hasn't worked out.

The one year I was going to do it, I ended up tearing my bicep two months before it. How long ago was that? That was in 2014. Oh, I didn't know you actually tore it before. Yep, tore it before. When you're giving Tanneranner advice here it's yeah this is firsthand experience okay okay uh this is i was just curious now i never thought i don't think i've ever asked you before so then when they reattach that they drill through the

bone and pull pull it pull it through and tie it off is that how they do that yeah yep so i tore it i had like as far as bicep tears go was like a perfect tear of the tendon off the bone. So then they went in, pulled the tendon back down. I think they drilled two holes in the radial head there. And then they weaved the tendon in between the bone there. So is there any chance or how often does someone, after they've had that surgery, to reattach it? Does anyone ever re-tear that or is that stronger than the original? Usually the odds are higher if you're tearing the other one than that one again

because there's a greater surface area now of attachment for there. So the odds of tearing that one again are smaller compared to the other one. They should just, like, the bicep tendon should be made a little bit better to begin with. Dude, biceps suck. Yeah, like make them out of metal or something. I don't want to tell, like, God or whoever it is that's making people how to do it, or evolution, I guess. I don't want to tell evolution how to do it.

But if they could make the bicep tendon stronger, I think a lot of strongman competitors would be happy about that. I would be very thrilled about that. So how did you fare at nationals then? So I ended up fifth in the 300 pound class so top five isn't too bad no that seems pretty respectable finish what would uh was there more than five people that competed there was oh there was more than five yep okay what was nationals is that a qualifier for the Arnold amateur at Columbus? Yep.

So I think they took the top 10% went to the Arnold, and then the top two super heavies overall got pro cards. Oh. Okay, so 10%, like how many then? What place would you have to be in to make it to the Arnold? How close were you? So I think in the 300s, they took the top three, I think it was. Oh, so you were just outside.

Yeah, so like last year, there was like almost twice as many people there. So technically – So five would have made it? Top five would have made it last year, yeah. So you went to it hoping for that outcome, right? Like you weren't going to – My number one goal was to qualify for the Arnold there. So how did it – mean you perform did you perform up

to your standard for the for the day or do you feel like you could have done something different to make it or you know I mean I definitely was the strongest I've ever been for that because it was a really heavy contest because there was like a and plus there's two two overhead events there which isn't my strongest events so what did you say deadlifts i know right exactly so would you say out of like just getting a draw for events this was about the worst draw you could have got probably i would say it is with two overhead events like yeah because there is the 320 axle and then the dumbbell was 220 well and even the deadlift event is not probably the deadlift event that you would choose if you were to pick a dead like wouldn't you have rather have a bar in front of your body because yeah it was a 750 basically

side handle trap bar deadlift and it had axle grips on it too no straps so i think i got like five reps there yeah and i'm pretty sure if i had a barbell i would have gotten more with just a barbell right yeah right um so your performance just a barbell. Right. Right. So your performance, though, you didn't underperform. You went in and did what you were capable of and you were satisfied with that. So what was that feeling like then, knowing that you kind of – it's not like, well, damn it, it wasn't my day. Were you disappointed? Or obviously you were to some extent to some extent because i

didn't get my main goal but i mean i like the last event because this was the first contest i've done that was a two-day event too oh yeah and then the last event was the medley which was a 300 something block carry a duck some 300 something duck walk and the sled drag and i ended up winning that in the 300s yeah so i at least ended it on a high note yeah yeah for like the 300 guys i could at least move the best and but for people that haven't done big competitions like that before like did you even know at the time that you i mean you knew you did well i'm sure at that event but do you know on the spot like that you know what yeah that that would be weird so yeah you don't know like going into the last event no okay i gotta get first here to because they they re re uh know going into the last event. Okay, I've got to get first here.

Because they reordered us for the last event in the order you were placing, and I wasn't doing that great because the last event before that was at the 220 dumbbell, and I zeroed that, as did like three-fourths of the guys. Do they reorder you based on your finish of the prior event or your finish combined of all the prior events so before every event so the first five events was on your previous event and then for the last event it was your overall placing i don't like when they base it on your the your previous just your previous event you know it that's not as good it just just feels like it's starting to put you in a hole.

Right. Well, yeah, because I zeroed the dumbbell. So then whatever event is after that, it kind of screws you a little bit. Whereas if they had, they reordered it based on your, your overall placing, you know, you probably would have been in a better spot. But I mean, I suppose there's so many people there and so much, so many moving parts. It's easier to, to order you based on just your prior events placing than it is to figure out the,

figure out the score. Cause like at the mass and I'm a strong man showdown, we've done that both ways before. Uh, the first year we did it just based on your prior event. Cause it was simpler. The second year we did it based on your total score of the day, which it went off really well and everything, but I know on the back end of it there's more work to be done. Luckily we have a state-of-the-art scoring system, though, so it's very easy for us. And that brings up a really good point here. Probably the biggest competition you did this year

that you've never done before was the Massanomics Strongman Showdown. We didn't even talk about that so um what what what what did you expect of that you know going into it not having been there and seen it before and what was your uh what did you think about it so that was by far the biggest um uh crowd i've ever seen on a strongman and you're not just to be clear you're not joking like that as a joke on here. But it's just because South Dakota has an insanely large Strongman fan base, right? There was a bigger crowd there than there was at Nationals.

Yeah. Like legitimately. More people were watching. Pretty good promoters over here. Yeah. I mean, and don't you think that's fun? It is fun when there's when you're going and you and and here you're the at the strongman showdown you're the

center of attention whenever you're going there's nothing else going on and all the eyes are on you whereas something like nationals there's so many people five lanes going at once i think it was right so you might have a couple people over in the corner that are like what like cheering for you and like watching you but for the most, there's just so much shit going on that you can't even tell. But did you feel that that would, like – I guess the back story on the event that you did, you had a little bit of an injury so you didn't get to do –

because what were you going to do going into it? We were going to do a stone- over bar head-to-head, which I thought would have been super cool to watch. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been really fun. So then we switched it to dumbbell. Which is, you know, my favorite.

Yeah. Which we were kind of in a tight spot. We were, you know, trying to figure out an event that you and Tim, who you're going against, could both do and still be competitive against each other. You know, we couldn't switch it to a deadlift, you know, because then. And the thing that people, they probably don't remember, but there's a size difference between you and Tim, too. Right.

Which made things a little challenging. But he's an exceptional stone loader. You know, that's probably maybe his best event. So it was, even though you're quite a bit heavier, it's still going to be an entertaining and competitive event. But then because of that big size and weight discrepancy, there's pretty limited of what other events could be competitive. And I'll give it to Tim too. Like his technique on dumbbell is just flawless.

Oh, he's a technician. Like I felt like watching him go that there was just no, I mean, I don't know if he – Like, watching it, it seemed like it's not even a strength thing for him. It's purely technique. And as long as he just keeps doing his technique, he will get this forever. Well, I think we did, what, like almost 10 reps with it? Yeah.

And his last one or first one looked identical. Yeah, they did. And, you know, had we done that event over again, Atlas Stone was going to be a last man standing Atlas Stone. So we just made the be a last man standing atlas stone so we just made the dumbbell press last man standing and i guess i probably didn't realize how many reps you guys were going to be able to do at that and i don't know aesthetically it probably not ended up being the the best event ever you know we probably would have done that just a press out or you know a

clean and press for reps or something like that because it got to be more of just like a grueling slugfest. It was almost like the crowd is like, oh, I hope one of them misses soon because, like, they think they're going to die, you know. Well, and then we did that and went straight into that tug of war, and I did die. Like, I'm pretty sure that picture you guys took at the end end i wasn't even in it because i was on the ground dying behind that you know i never even thought of that i don't think you are and you you uh were the last you were event 10 yep because we were going to end with that at the atlas stone because i thought that that would have been uh a pretty fun one which you also would have been probably dead

yep probably even worse probably worse depending on how long that went on. But, yeah, the tug-of-war was much more brutal than I think anyone expected. That first one was just, like, I think only a couple, like, super heavy truck pulls ever made me feel like that before. Yeah, yeah. And Brad was on the best team, which is the red team, but just wasn't the winning team on that day. Tug of war winning team, though.

Yeah, we definitely won the tug of war. Which I think is really the main event everyone cared about. But did you see the scoreboard is still up at Mass. I did see that. I had to walk past it every time. No one can forget it. People don't forget. So you did do that, and you did one other big competition,

big strongman competition this year, right? Yep, I did the USS Strongman in Fargo. That was three weeks after nationals. That was a qualifier for the Arnold Classic. Where was it? South Africa. South Africa, yep. So if you – and how did you do, I guess?

So I got second in that one to Kevin Fares, who's a pro strongman. He's been to Strongman Champions League twice. He's won USS Nationals, Strongman Corps Nationals, Arnold 105 ready. What was the final score then? Was it close? I think it was. I didn't see the final score, but going into, I think it was the third or fourth event, I was two points behind him.

Okay. So you were competitive. I was close. Yeah. And there was a group of strong super heavyweights uh jacob dagle who also did the massanomics strongman showdown he got third right yep he actually me and him ended up really close and then and trevor simmonsma who also did the massanomics strongman showdown did he get fourth or fifth i guess fifth

so that's trevor if you've you know is, is a big, strong guy and, you know, carried a thousand pound yoke at the Strongman Showdown. And he got fifth. I think he got second in stones too. Yeah. Because he was, only a few guys were able to load that 405. Yeah. So that puts in perspective how good the super heavyweight competition was.

Yeah. It was probably one of the most stacked super heavyweights I've been in. Yeah. Especially for local stuff. So had you won, got first place at that, you would have competed at the Arnold South Africa. And that's, is that the, I mean, there's not a, is there an amateur Arnold South Africa?

Nope, that would have been. I mean, it's, so. That was the pro. Someone that competes at the Arnold would have been competing, at the Arnold Columbus would be competing in that. I think like Jerry Pritchard did it last year. Yeah, so would you have gotten your pro card then if that was if you want so technically how the pro card system works is like the pro strongman pro card system is only a u.s thing oh it is it's only a strongman core

thing okay and that wasn't a strongman no this was uss yeah so technically you've done a pro contest so i would think yeah yeah pro strongman then but the the coolest part to that about me is you would have been there competing against maybe jerry pritchett or maybe uh dimitar you know someone ideally dimitar it even could be shah or thor because they've got to compete in they got to go somewhere during the year to qualify for the yeah the main arnold you know i don't think either of them did that one last year but some of those guys are going to be there competing at it. I think they strategically see who's – like, Shaw and Thor don't sign up for the same one. So would you have traveled to South Africa if you went over there?

Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, that's a really cool thing that the U.S. Strongman is doing is they're having all these Arnold qualifiers for pro contests. So, like, you can have an amateur guy show up and then able to qualify and gain the experience of yeah yeah he's pro events yeah that's cool that that's why the competition was so good stacked then though because everyone wanted to go and did you know that the guy that uh beat you i forget his name but did you know that he was going to be there competing or so i saw he signed up like two weeks out i'm like yeah you just had to do that you know

saw he signed up like two weeks out i'm like yeah you just had to do that you know where's he from i think he's from utah or oh so he was he was traveling for this thing okay but i suppose that's what he you know he uh looked at the event and he said this is my opportunity to he saw an opportunity yeah yeah makes sense uh had he not what could have been brad could have been yeah but is that the the path that you're taking you think are you gonna i mean um are you gonna continue to pursue the strongman thing and you know try to make uh arnold amateurs in columbus maybe next year or try to make an arnold qualifier next year something similar to this year i mean are you gonna continue down that road i think that's the goal i'm gonna pursue more more so than powerlifting is trying to qualify for a

pro contest yeah because even for u.s nationals in june which i think is gonna be the next strongman i do they sent i think like two guys to strongman champions league live last year they sent one guy to a different arnold last year so there's a lot more opportunities popping up for that. Yeah. And that's kind of one of the topics we had talked about discussing here is managing, because you do both powerlifting and strongman. In any given year, you're probably competing in both of those contests. So that's kind of what I was curious about talking about is finding a man that can do both.

I do both. But, you know, how you manage that in a given year whether you're doing both 100 all the time if you're doing one 100 and you know not focused on the other at all or you know how you balance between the two back and forth so so depending on what contest you're doing you always have to have your main focus for that, whether it's going to be a powerlifting meet or a strongman competition. And then basically the biggest difference between the two is going to be how you program your squat and bench and then your event training because your deadlift is going to be –

you're going to have a deadlift no matter if you're going to do powerlifting or strongman. if you're going to do powerlifting or strongman right so then with that i would assume that the big thing is you're probably spending minimal time benching when you're getting ready for a strongman competition right so i like so i usually will bench every week except still with strongman still with strongman except when i get about three weeks out from strongman that's when i like usually don't don't bench anymore because i found benching because i have a more of a narrow grip on bench anyways so that just helps with just just my lockout in general i think yep and it seems that when you stop benching for longer periods of time and some of those things you just like detrain yeah especially a lot of technique work and right now you just finished a couple strongman competitions

you're going to be transit focusing on powerlifting coming up so what's your training going to look like then going forward as far as your your exercises that you're doing so now i'll be like focusing on powerlifting so more of a strength block i'd call it because i think nationals for strongman six months out so then i have a solid three month block where i focus more on strength um so the biggest difference is i'll get back to more heavier benching and i'll get more to uh back squatting again because usually when i do strongman i'll do a lot more like safety squat bar for squats i think that transfers real well for strongman and then the event training will just be a little lighter so you're still going to do event training oh yeah throughout and how does a

week actually structure as far as what days of the you know how many days a week you lift and how many you're doing events versus not you know frequency on squat bench and deadlift and frequency of event training so i usually usually always train five days a week. So there's two pressing days. One's more of a bench focus. One's more overhead focus. So will you bench press first on your bench press focus day and overhead press first on your, okay.

Yep, and then all the accessory work is depending whatever I need at the time. Usually it's a lot of tricep work shoulder stuff like that and then i always train train back somewhat almost every day because if you look at the strongest people in the world you're usually going to see the strongest backs and that's strongman or or or powerlifting like you just need a strong back and then i'll have a squat day a deadlift day and then an events day oh so you are saving all the events for one day then so i'll usually do

two to three events except with the only thing i like to switch on that is yoke because usually yoke is the one event that just if i go heavy on yoke it just kills me right like that's the one thing like i know some guys like you're saying trevor can do yoke weekly yeah like i can't do that so i like to do yoke after squatting. Okay. Cause then I can't do as much on yoke, but yet you're still getting that like sub max working. So then like on your event days, then are you, if you have like three events in mind,

like you said, you are doing three usually, like if you have three in mind, like are you doing those three like week after week after week? Are you still switching those out quite a bit? Like how, how do you feel like you build proficiency in these, I guess? So depending on the contest coming up, like usually on any given Saturday,

if I have like a technique kind of overhead, like a circus dumbbell or a keg, I'll do that work on Saturday. If it's just like a log or axle, I'll just do that on my overhead day then and call that a good day. I'll usually do some kind of grip event on an event day, whether it's farmer's frame, whatever I have coming up. If there's stones, I'll usually do stones like every other week. And then some kind of moving event.

But like, so like if you're working circus dumbbell, like will you decide like, yep, I'm just going to like focus on circus dumbbell for like a month and just keep doing it like every week? Or how do you decide to do that? So for that, since it's so much technique, I mean, usually I don't go as heavy on that. I can do that almost every week on that Saturday then. Yeah. And circus dumbbell, because it's so much technique and not necessarily upper body strength,

I would say you're not doing that on your pressing day then, though. You're doing that on your event day. But if you were doing an axle bar event or a log, you would always include that on your pressing day. On my overhead day, that would just be my main lift for that day then. Yeah. What about intensities or percentages on that Saturday saturday that that event day are you always pretty sub max on that stuff or or as you're ramping up for a competition you start to take higher

percentages or how do you yeah so like my whole training it's pretty it's not super complicated at all usually like i'll try and hit a pr in that event like two to three weeks out okay so especially for yoke like i've done contests where i had like a 950 yoke and i only went up to 800 in training yeah so are you like when you look at your like whole prep are you kind of like doing like someone would with like power lifting where you're kind of like projecting numbers that you have out there or is it like you're kind of feeling it out as you go as the weeks go by so especially for the moving events i'll kind of take those like a more of an rpe scale based on the day because depending how beat you are beat up you are from the week and usually the moving events like medleys and stuff like that are more conditioning anyways right yeah yeah makes sense

so and then for the yoke i really like to do like uh conditioning work for the yoke for the yoke, I really like to do conditioning work for the yoke too. And then the biggest difference with the yoke and squat training, depending on powerlifting and strongman, is I'll alternate weeks on those. So I'll squat heavy one week and do conditioning work on the yoke. And then the next week, I'll do more like we'll call lighter box squats, and then I'll do a heavier yoke so those will alternate weeks yeah because you said you're doing you do your yoke work on squat day after squats okay do you do you think that um between your event day saturday then, you know, maybe your yoke work during the week and that sort of thing,

do you become more fatigued? Does it make it harder for you to recover for your basic four days of lifting throughout the week, throughout the next week? Or do you think it's an advantage? Or do you ever feel beat up from it, like it's too much? Yeah, so I'll always deadlift on Fridays, and then I'll do my event training on Saturday. So i'm always beat up a little bit for the event training so then in theory you know i couldn't go as heavy but it's worked well for me to keep in that that

lighter events so that i know if i don't deadlift the day before i'm gonna be more fresh for it and then if you ever do have a two-day contest, that you're basically conditioned for that if you deadlift the day before you do events anyways. Right. So then with all of this now, you're doing your own programming and everything, aren't you? Yep. Okay, so how did you even come into that?

Because I think that's probably, for a lot of people, one of the most confusing things is doing their own programming. Most people are relying on a template or a coach or something else like how did you come about like the knowledge so over the years you know i've had people help me with programming but it's more of like bouncing ideas off of each other like seeing stuff but a lot of it's been trial trial and error for me over because i started i'm 29 and i started lifting when i was 16 so a lot of it's just figuring out what, what works and what doesn't work. And like, I like I've, and yokes, the only thing where I've actually tweaked my back

on. Okay. On a really heavy yokes. Like I can deadlift all the time and I rarely ever actually injure my back. Deadlift is a lot more like, um, controlled and and you have control over the situation. There's a few less dimensions you're worrying about than on the yoke too. Yeah, so yoke's one of those things that I like to train more just sub-max in general. And then I'll do a lot of conditioning work with yoke too

where you only rest like 60 seconds between runs at whatever percentage it is for the day so do you feel like do you feel like one is more challenging than the other like programming for do you or do you just comfortable enough with both of them now i think yoke is more hard to program for the day because there's just so many more more more components that are going on at once and i'm not as efficient in yoke as i am deadlift because i've only been doing yoke for a couple years and i've been deadlifting weekly for over 10 but even like in power lifting versus strongman do you like find that one is easier to program than the other for you for me i think power lifting training is a little bit more more uh uh predictable based

off how my training's been going yeah yeah because you know with with usually every powerlifting meet you go to like you know you have plenty of rest time you know what's going to basically you have a pretty good idea leading into the meet like how things are going to like yeah i mean with strongman like the one in fargo that was probably one of the fastest contests i've ever done like we did all five of those events within like two and a half hours oh really oh so between the really heavy overhead medley the 750 axle deadlift for reps it was a 650 750 frame uh the finger was decently heavy and then the stone run i think it started at 315 and went up to 405 and we did all that within like two and a half hours that's fast to me that's a mark of uh someone running a meet that has their shit together.

That knows what they're doing. I've, you know, anyone that's been around it has certainly been the alternative where you're sitting around like, what is going on? Like, what the hell are we doing?

Yeah. I've been at strongman competitions that, you know, you don't get out of there until like four or five in the afternoon. That sucks to me. Like I would much prefer the alternative of being a little tired for the event. Like everyone has the same disadvantage at that point,

but it's just mentally it's easier. I think for me to like, if it keeps any, any event where you just start to feel like fatigued from just being there. Yeah. That's never. Oh yeah. Well,

I basically died in that. Cause like we had that set seven 50 axle deadlift for reps. And there was only two of us that even got it off the floor. And then I needed, I was lucky cause Kevin went first on that. So I knew I only needed forward to win that event. That always puts you. Had you gone first,

you. I probably would have done six. I probably would have done more like six. Cause you just don't know. So you can't risk that. And then basically after that, like I would, I was about dead after that.

And then the frame carry was next i'm like okay so i just deadlifted 750 now you have to run with it this is your reward yeah i bet that was only god that was probably only a half hour apart if that yeah oh that's surprising oh i've got two questions that are kind of kind of the same but a little different. You might have the same answer for both, though. So do you think if you were just to focus on powerlifting and you weren't doing strongman at all, say over the past two years that was the case, would you be better at powerlifting than you are now?

Would you have better numbers or would you have worse numbers? It's just purely speculative pretty much but i'm just curious what your opinion if i had to guess i think i wouldn't be as strong so if you weren't mixing in strong man you're saying that's giving you a you know you're building strength and probably other areas that's helping you carry over yes so so in theory if i only did powerlifting training i don't think i would be as strong if I only did powerlifting training, I don't think I would be as strong. If I only did powerlifting competitions with some strongman events, I think I'd be stronger. So if you weren't competing in strongman, but you still utilize strongman in your training, you're saying that, as far as looking at just powerlifting, would be the best result?

Yep. If you wanted to maximize power lifting i think using strongman movements especially in the off season or beginning phases of a training program would definitely help but you're also saying that when you actually compete in strongman maybe you're taking it to such an extreme sometimes and you have to focus you know make it your primary focus at periods of time that it might actually hinder yeah Yeah, because you have to pull back. You have to pull back, and you're back squatting, and you're benching a little bit. So the flip side of that, the other question would be, if you were just focusing on strongman

for the last two years, weren't competing in powerlifting whatsoever, do you think you'd be any better at strongman or worse at strongman? Would you have fared better or worse in the competitions or do you think it would be i think had i not done so many powerlifting meets i think i might have fared a little bit more because in strongman there's so many different movements you have to be be efficient in like i did a couple powerlifting meets last year i think i did three of them last year which might have been pushing taking away from strongman obviously three i mean three is a decent amount for you that's a lot for a year i think i did three of them last year which might have been pushing taking away from strongman obviously three i mean three is a decent amount for you that's a lot for a year i think i

did three powerlifting meets and two or three strongman last year yeah i mean that averages out to be every other month as a competition yeah so so basically like i end the contest and start a block for the next yeah so what do you like about power lifting specifically and maybe in comparison what do you just you know in the trade what do you like better about power lifting in comparison to strongman so i like the power lifting aspect of performing those numbers in a competition like anyone can do something in the gym and call it a gym pr but when you actually take it to the platform and perform on the given day that you're supposed to add that whole other like just justifying that you can do that yeah and that's that's a point that's really

hard for people to understand until they've competed like that's actually an epidemic of a problem oh yeah i mean like you could have a whole we could do a whole episode just talking about that like until you've actually competed where you're not in control of the setting, you're not in control of the time clock, you're not in control of the music. It's not your favorite day. Like you don't feel – Yeah, you might not be feeling the best. Like until you've been in that situation and still have to – you signed up, you still have to go out and compete, and things aren't perfect. Like it's really hard to even say.

You're missing out on a whole thing of strength sports right there. I mean, yeah, anyone in the gym can have that perfect day where the stars align, and they hit that PR they haven't touched in two years. But to like, okay, on this date in 12 weeks, I have to be here, I have to perform, adds that whole other aspect to it. Big time. And I always caveat it with it. It's certainly okay for people that don't have aspirations to compete.

It's not saying you suck because you don't compete. Your lifts don't matter. But you really can't compare it head-to-head versus numbers that someone does actually competing because it is a completely different experience. And then anything outside of a squat in the gym, you've already done lifts before that, you know? Right. Like, how often in the gym when someone's sitting on a bench or a deadlift PR, have they maxed out in two other lifts before?

Like, you never – it would be so dumb to do that. Right. Unless you're doing a mock meet for yourself. But most people, when they have their bench PR, they didn't also max out and squat before that, you know? And just my personality in general, like I, like I trained so much better and smarter when I am training for a contest. And that's just like, I just need to compete. So we, you know,

you talked about what you like about powerlifting then is, you know, the actual competing on the platform and everything, but what do you enjoy about strong man that maybe powerlifting doesn't offer? What keeps you coming back to Strongman instead of just doing powerlifting? I mean, it's just the fact that every contest you do is different. Everything is different. Just squatting, benching, and deadlifting can get boring over time. And that kind of is the nature of those meets,

is that it's almost supposed to be as uniform as possible. Whereas with strongman, everything will be different. And that's just one of the aspects I enjoy about strongman so much. And it does combine the fact that you don't have to be strong, but you have to move, you have to be conditioned, and all those other aspects into one, too. You have to kind of be an athlete a little bit yes you have to be at least uh a fat ludic at least a little bit uh which if you were only

allowed to do one to compete in one which would you choose i think i'd choose strongman for sure yeah wow profound words brad yeah strongman for sure okay how about this who are you more impressed by the strongest or tanner you can think about that the strongest power lifters in the world so we we'll say, you know, Andre Milanochev, Eric Lillibridge, whoever you want to throw in there. Or the strongest strongmen in the world, Brian Shaw, Half Thor, you know, that group of guys.

Who do you think is, granted they're different, and it's probably not even fair to compare them against each other, but just who do you think is more impressive to you? That's a hard question. Yeah, it is. But I think I always go back to the aspect of almost any strongman can do a powerlifting meet and do well. This is a relevant topic because half thor is competing in a couple weeks here

but i don't think in general any power lifter can go to go into strongman you're saying some power lifters maybe could but you're not not just any power lifter there's going to be a lot of power lifters that couldn't be successful at a strongman competition what do you think tommy see that's kind of what i would go with i i think i'm more because what was the original question who are you more impressed by yeah i think i'm still more impressed by the the strongest strongman just because one they're just their physical stature they're freaks like to get to that point you have to be that way um but then just their i want to say athleticism i mean they they all have a certain amount of athleticism like you don't get to that point like not being coordinated and not having conditioning

and all these other things like not being able to move like you can be really good at powerlifting and have almost none of that like yeah you know and so that's why that's why i think it's just me being impressed i'm more impressed by a top level strongman i i would i mean having us having sat front row at the arguably the biggest strongman competition of the yes and that that is the perfect example we go to that and i'm sure like even just for comparison go to the u.s open like i'm sure it would be great sitting front row at the u.s open right but i just i don't think i'm going to get amazed and just – I'm not going to feel the same thing front row at the U.S. Open

that I'm going to feel at the front row of the Arnold. When you're sitting at, you know, Half Thor's feet and you're looking up and it's like, oh, my God. You know, it's just – Those guys are just larger than life. Yeah, they are. And there is more of a spectacle to it, and it's not a fair comparison because it's very different things. It's not fair, too.

Yeah, you're almost comparing the most specialized of specialized you can get in anything to kind of a more established sport. Right, because powerlifting, no matter, is what it is. It's just going to be squatting, benching, and deadlifting three times. So it doesn't matter how good someone is at it like that still is all that it's almost a component of it you know our component of strongman is kind of what it sort of is in a way yeah it's not to say that the best in the world that power lifting aren't amazing oh yeah i mean like that day we we got to see milanichev like warming up in the cage and i i could have sat there all day and just watched him i think he's one of the most, and I could have sat there all day and just watched him.

I think he's one of the most impressive. And he absolutely is, and it was really fun to watch, and I would be totally willing to do that any day of the week. But if I absolutely had to pick, I would still pick wanting to see some very high-level strongman. I mean, I think the best thing is we just got to convince Larry Wheels to do a strongman. I was just thinking that same thing.

Do you think that will happen someday? Do you think we'll see that eventually? I don't know. How do you think he would do? We've talked about it on here. Because he seems to have – he just seems to be like athletic in general. I mean, he's so stupid strong. He pressed over 400 overhead.

I mean, he almost tied Thor that one day. Yeah. Did they press 420 or 4 something? Was it 440? 440, I think. Yeah, it was 440. It's one of those things that I think he'd be really good at some stuff, but the fact that he's, and I say this in quotes, only 270 pounds.

Right, right. And only, like, what, 5'11 or 6 feet tall. Yeah, like some of the strongman events, like mass moves mass. Right. But I guess we'll see. Yeah, it'd be curious to see. And how about Thor then? Do you follow Thor's training a little bit?

Just like everyone does in the world, I suppose. If you don't follow, if you don't know what Larry wheels and Thor do in lifting, you're kind of like, you don't see the boat here. I'm very curious how you came across this podcast. So how do you think Thor is going to do do we did an episode on that kind of too i mean and um there's been more there's probably been better evidence since we've done the podcast of like kind of what it's pointing to that he's gonna do what do you think i mean i bet he's in total 24 like in his first meet ever because i mean what because squat around nine pull around nine bench almost six

that's kind of like where we kept getting to too like that was did you see his 539 bench that was a pr he said i think and it didn't it didn't seem overly tough no no it's just one of those things like he's just never been yeah i know that's where it shows no doubt if he if he was training for bench for a year i i believe he'd be benching over 600 pounds. I mean, when you can press almost 500 pounds over your head, you think you'll be able to lay on something and press it? Like, you almost feel like with him, though, like the size of the bench has to be like a detriment to him.

Like, it's just for how wide his back is. And then it'd be like almost like us laying on a two-by-four. It's just like it's not doing you any favors at that point. Do you have a wide back? Do you bench on a wider bench? Would you be able to go to benching on a – I mean, I bench 95% of the time on a fat pad. I just love that thing.

And that's a whole different ballgame than benching on the skinny, normal pads you see in the kitchen. And that's one of the biggest things when I do a parlor for me like i have to like take like three weeks to get used to that that smaller pad again well even uh you know we have we have two elite fts benches in the gym but we have one that has a uh the wider pad i don't know if it's 14 or how wide it is it's really really close to the fat pad width if it's not the same and then we have one that's two inches narrower which puts you at more like your standard kind of like ipf yeah it's an ip really close to the fat pad width if it's not the same. And then we have one that's two inches narrower. Which puts you at more like your standard kind of like IPF width. Yeah, it's an IPF width of the bench.

And wasn't it last year? Weren't you like benching on the wider one? I always struggle. Yeah, because I always bench on the wider one because it feels better. It absolutely does. And I don't have a huge back by any means. But switching back to that, you lose that like two inches. And now all of a sudden, you know, the bench is.

Two inches makes a big difference. That's what she said. But then the one we had last year was even a little skinnier too, wasn't it? Was it maybe half an inch to an inch smaller even? Yeah, it was probably a little bit skinnier. So like going from a bench that's maybe 14 inches wide to like 11-ish, I noticed it big time. And then for me, the other one too is like that bench didn't have any grip on it.

So with me, I have one too, is like that bench didn't have any grip on it. So with me, I have a, I have a little bit of an arch. So like losing my arch, like not being able to have leg drive because I'm sliding out in a narrower bench, it takes like 25, 30 pounds off my bench,

like instantly. And you know, with a couple of weeks of training, I was able to get a little more used to it, but I have to be way more conscious of like tightness in my upper back and shoulders on, on those narrower pads. I feel yeah you get you're getting your own gym ready so you've probably been uh acquiring equipment and oh yeah i have a two-car garage that's completely

stacked with equipment right now and an enclosed trailer in my driveway full of equipment that i need to find somewhere to put uh buying equipment is fun isn't it it's not the paying for it but just like it is fun like the hunting for it yeah it's like just picking out christmas toys for yourself sort of like because you're probably not buying a ton of like just new stuff directly are you i haven't bought anything so so with that it's kind of like a little bit of treasure hunting where it's like what am i gonna find and what's the price gonna be on it yeah well i did pick up a couple of a bunch of machines from this place in wisconsin that i literally drove out to the country went to this dude's old barn shed and there was just these machines sitting there and the question with that a lot of times is and i'm sure tanner you've had the same thing as like

how do these people come to acquire these things i've gotten some stuff from some pretty weird places before that you're like and it's like these people definitely don't lift things i've gotten some stuff from some pretty weird places before that you're like and it's like these people definitely don't lift and if they do it's they don't lift in a way that would necessitate them having this piece of equipment even right these were all stacks like 300 pound stacks i know i got pain in the ass to move but dirt cheap that's the way to do it that's the name of the game i mean you're probably you know by the end of it if you're able to acquire all your equipment used like that you're saving over 50 percent oh well to buy all that stuff new like it's it's crazy how much cheaper you can buy it

use the new and for most of it outside of just maybe a difference in purely aesthetics, there's no trade-off for quality or what the equipment does. I mean, a lot of it is just pieces of iron. Yeah. It's just like really the biggest difference is paint is or isn't chipped. That's usually what it comes down to. That's basically all you have to do is maybe reupholster a few things, maybe paint a few things, get some rust off a little bit. Yeah.

But other than that, that i mean even worst case like you can go back and sell that stuff for the exact same price yeah it's already like depreciated as much as it ever will and you know you're lucky you live in uh the twin cities where this is a great market for you're more of a hub for people in general for sure but even in because i've looked other like i've looked uh you know kansas city like all some other regional uh you know that a regional larger uh metropolis areas and i do think minneapolis is a good spot for oh you can find a lot and i wonder why that is i don't know and there's a few there's you know a few equipment distributors there that they kind of buy and sell some used stuff to.

I don't know why that is, but it's there. It's just there. It just must be enough people. That kind of want to be active and then change their mind and sell it. Enough wishy-washy people. So then with all this, have you ran across any like unusual pieces of equipment of equipment or, like, pieces that you're really excited about that you – Yeah, what's your favorite couple things that you have? So probably – so there's two things that I got for a pretty good price.

So I got an incline bench and a seated overhead military press, both with the racks that come forward and unrack. Oh, really? It's, like, the easy unracking. Cool. That's kind of like the same style you see with sort of the – people almost do like a cheater monolith with that too, don't they? Yeah.

Okay. Those are probably expensive pieces of equipment I would use normally. I got each of those for $30. Whoa. Nice. I drove out to some dude's shed. He's like, yeah, I just want these out of here. That's awesome.

And the seated military press, that's one that's nearly impossible to start taking off weight from behind your head. Well, we had one. Yeah, we did. But it's impossible. You couldn't have used it without a spotter carrying it out two feet for you. And then I also got an old school Nautilus pullover that's still on the chain. So one of the things like during still on the chain. Oh. So one of the things like during the ATC use.

Yeah. I got one of those. So I can't picture what we got pullover. So it's like the arm pads are right here. You pull over like that. Oh. Yeah, it's just one of those old school. I'm not sure I've even seen one of those before.

During the ATC use one. Have you come across any hammer strength plate loaded equipment? I have. That's pretty premium, isn't it? I really want the plate loaded hammer strength chest. I actually saw one in Minneapolis for like 250 bucks the other day. Well, text me. Plate loaded chest as push outs.

Yeah, I don't want the one where you lay down and bench like a bench press. I want where you're seated vertically. The handles are usually. Yeah, right here and you go like this. And I also want. The one in the back one. The back one. You know, I want the.

They make a few different angles and stuff, but I just want to get one chest one and then one of the back. Yeah. And as far as machines go, hammer strength is one of the more premium ones, aren't they? Yeah. So for finding cheap hammer strength is a lot harder. And the great thing about hammer strength is that I really like plate-loaded equipment because moving around like our leg press, or not a leg press, our leg extension or leg curl, you know, any of those.

Oh, those stacks are so heavy. They're so heavy. Whereas then a hammer strength equipment that all, you know. You just put it in. And I like plates and stuff anyways, and it just, it looks, you you know as far as like a power lifter or that sort of thing like they just it's just cooler to load plates yeah it's on that change pin on a stack yeah yeah well even those machines that say they're like only 400 pounds total they're just so awkward to move yeah well that's the thing it's it might be 400 pounds but 320 of it is on one spot and it's

in the weirdest spot and the whole rest of the area is you might be 400 pounds, but 320 of it is on one spot, and it's in the weirdest spot. And the whole rest of the area is another 50 pounds. Are you going to have strongman equipment? Oh, yeah. We basically have all our strongman equipment ready. We already have like a dozen kegs, four logs, a couple dumbbells, a couple yokes, farmers. Did you find your kegs? Were they already loaded, or did you have to go through that process?

No. So, actually, we found a guy in Craigslist i was by my parents house a brewery oh and so you got the used kegs just finding kegs can be a tricky process so they're brand new kegs but they're useless to a brewery because they don't seal anymore or something okay so that worked out good yeah so we have a dozen of those yeah that's nice. Do you know approximately the timeline of when that will be open or not necessarily yet? So we're hoping for by spring at the latest. Oh, straight around the corner? Yeah, it's going to come by fast.

Will Tommy and I be able to get a free day pass? I mean, I suppose I can hook you guys up. We'll see what happens don't want to make any guarantees i mean i know i know how much money you guys make on those lifts too much i'll be going towards the brad's gym fund we should uh you don't have to even pull it up but we should do our big lift segment oh yeah yeah we should and this week we're not going to talk about larry wheels we're going to talk about a guy that's here today brad night moves night soul damn it i wish i would have been at the beginning that's worth talking about too that uh your

nickname is night moves has anyone started calling you that since uh nope i had multiple people asked me i'm like why do they call you Night Moves? For the Strongman Showdown, everyone got, whether they liked it or not, got a nickname. Yeah, you have to have one, right? And Brado's Night Moves, and I think that was a great nickname. Are you going to be back for the Strongman Showdown next year? I will be back. So Night Moves will return.

Yep, the return of Night Moves. Probably not to do Circus Dumbbell. The return of night moves. Probably not to do circus dumbbell. Just let me deadlift. Yeah, we're going to have to work on a deadlift because that brings us to big lifts. It does. Brad, what did you do yesterday? I pulled 805 for five. Raw with suit. Yeah.

So 805 pounds for a set of of five and we have this all this is all filmed photographed like the video will be out and about you guys be able to check it out so um what did it what was your best deadlift ever prior to this so my best deadlift ever was 800 for a double okay how were you going in it in expecting five like if you would have got four would you been disappointed or were you know so i was hoping to pull like three ish and then i was driving to the mass dynamics gym i'm like it'd be pretty cool if i pulled five yeah it's always cooler than three yeah so how did it feel did it feel easy Did it feel like the worst thing that's ever happened? Or, you know, like how would you describe 805 for five?

It was exactly how you would think 805 for five felt. Yeah, that's what you said at the time kind of too. It was pretty sweet. You know, there's quite a few people at the gym. I mean, for our gym, quite a few people at the gym. And I think everyone was pretty fired up for it. Yeah, I didn't know what the plan. I thought you were doing a single.

So then when I saw you going for another, I'm like, oh, he's going to do a double. And then it just kept going and going. I'm like, what is he doing? Because I'm pretty sure that's the same thing I did last time I was here too. Yeah, but it was less weight. It was a lot less weight. But you did it for multiple ones too. But it seems like once you get going, like once you get the first one,

you can kind of just keep going. Is that yeah yep that's basically how you're getting it once you're gonna get it for at least three yep you've got it down where at the top you can like like do you uh at the top of the lift do you kind of get your air yep so usually at the top i'll just take that breath in to make sure embrace correctly yeah and then lower it and right back up. Yeah. And it does just kind of go right up. It does, it does. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, you're kind of oversimplifying,

but actually you're kind of all right there. Yeah. Up again. It just comes right back up. Because I know there's a lot of people out there that will say you should never do touch and go reps. Yeah, what's your opinion? I mean, you did them do touch and go reps uh-huh yeah what do you what's your opinion i mean you did uh the the mass touch and go reps what's your opinion on touch and go reps as far as training so if i had to do like reset each rep i there's no way i would have got five

right but on the same on the flip side of that coin whenever i fail a deadlift it's always at lockout so in in my so i you can never use like a direct like uh if you can pull x for whatever reps like that never works we have a chart in the gym that clearly shows you just didn't go up to 805 by five there's a clear formula that answers this question so i can't use that as like a direct like cut like yeah if i do this i can do that but in my eyes that might not be your purpose of doing that's not the purpose so basically i was able to lock out 805 five times which is lockouts my weakest point so in theory if i can overload that lockout over time with those reps that yep because i've never basically had a deadlift in a competition where i couldn't get it

off the floor whereas someone like me who struggles like from the floor to the knee, it probably makes more sense for me to be resetting every time. Right. And then you could even argue that once in a while, you know, touch and go. Yeah. Just to, just to even get different stimulus. Just to overload. I mean, even like, like I never do, do block pulls for the sake of improving my lockout. Cause I just don't, the phone doesn't transfer well, but block pulls once in a a while it can be great work for your upper back strength so you wouldn't say reset or touch and go not one is the end all be all but they could just they're both training tools and they both could be valuable depending on what you're doing or they're probably both valuable all the time it's in some i mean especially if you're a strong man because you have some deadlifts where

touch and goes allowed and you have somewhere it's not so if they so if you both like i've seen guys that never train touch and go and then it's allowed in a contest and they still dead stop every rep well you probably you probably could have got two more reps if you if you're able to touch and go those with control yeah because and then just with the aspect of lowering that weight slowly i mean you're going to have that hypertrophy effect as well first dropping at the top and resetting right well either way we were uh very impressed by it and we went as far as to guess that it'll probably be a massonomics pr for a while probably won't get broken really soon i guess it could stand for over a year we don't know for sure but when brad comes yeah when's the next time i'm gonna be here

so there's that we also went as far as to guess that it's probably a south dakota pr someone out there tell us you know we do have quite a few south dakota listeners let us know if uh you know of anyone from south dakota you think has ever done more than 805 and then and then we start to think maybe even minnesota has anyone? What's your thought on that being the... Would you say there's been less than 10 people that have ever done it in the state of Minnesota? For 805 for 5? Yeah. I don't even know if anyone.

There might just be one. Yeah. Well, our biggest guess was, what has Brad Gillingham done? We know he's pulled 400 kilos. And we all felt pretty safe with the assumption that he was totally capable of it. It's just whether he ever did it or not. And that's the real mystery. If he was ever dumb enough to.

Let's see if I can. My only other person I could think of would be like Dave Oslin. But I don't know if he is that strong of a deadlifter or not. Again, I don't know if he is. I don't want to call dumb enough but yeah i think it's too methodical to go for a max set like a really close to a max set of five yeah i mean again because like i'm in like a i'm not directly training for something right now either right yeah so it's not setting you back from yeah so

i wouldn't have done that in the middle of a prep for a contest. Are you going to be burned out from that one for a while? Or will your training this next week be? I mean, it still technically wasn't a max single. Yeah. True. Well, it was a max single though, right? It was a one rep PR that I did for five.

Yeah. So that was a one rep. That's important to note. That was the most you've ever done for one. Yep. But you did it for five yeah so that was a one rep that that's important to note that was the most you've ever done for one yep but you did it for five i mean that was the same way when i pulled 800 for the first time i doubled it yeah when i pulled 700 for the first time i doubled it too yeah why not so i guess waste your time doing just one you're already there you know you got all set up and grabbed the bar and stuff um so we're getting towards the end of our time here um tanner has a segment that he likes to spring on me at the end of these episodes called

overrated or underrated yeah and he likes to just kind of throw some things out where i have to i don't if i have if i want to give an explanation i can can. Or I can just be underrated. Yeah, you don't have to give any reasoning for it. I think we should throw some overrated or underrated questions out at Brad. I have a few in mind. Tanner, if you need some time to think on this, you can go. Let me see if I got anything. Overrated, underrated, Brad.

Straps. Underrated. Underrated. Okay. Overrated, underrated. Touch and go deadlifts. Underratedrated uh what was that one touch you said underrated touch and go deadlifts how about i got one okay overrated or underrated self-checkout lanes at walmart i would say i'd say underrated so you don't have to talk to anyone. Amen.

Do you guys feel like – Tyler brought this up to me and it's been really sticking with me lately. Walmart doesn't have to pay someone to check you out now, but you still pay the same for your groceries. Does that ever kind of bug you? Like they're making you put in the work. It's the same as if you went to a restaurant and you had to wait on yourself and you still got to pay the same. But do you prefer not having to talk to – I mean don't get me wrong. I love the speed component to it of being faster. But I kind of do feel like I'm getting cheated like Walmart is putting me to work but I'm not getting paid for this.

But I do kind of value not having to talk to anyone else in the world outside of family and work in the gym. You have a fair amount of that there. If they're not going to talk to me about lifting, do I i really want to not have to talk to anyone outside of five people okay do you have another one lined up there tanner um this is curious i guess something we talked about last episode in minneapolis do they have bird scooters yet do you know what a bird scooter i do not know okay like these scooters yet? Do you know what a bird scooter is? I do not know what a bird scooter is. Like these scooters that just... It's like ride-sharing scooters. They just lay on the street

and you just pick it up and just go. Oh, so they do have bicycles like that. Oh, yeah. They actually have some smart cars, too. Have you used any of those before? I have not. I try and stay away from downtown. This is harder for bird scooters because it's a...

It has weather. Right. Versus Phoenix where there could be a foot of snow. Oh, and I would actually love to see if that exists. Maybe they do exist. I don't know. Well, since you don't have them, I don't know if you can fairly under or overrate them. But what would your opinion be on them if you did use them underrated or overrated bird scooters?

A scooter? Yeah. I would have to or overrated bird scooters? A scooter? Yeah. I would have to say overrated. Oh, that one's pretty controversial. They might not pull you around very well. Actually, when you're on it, you're going to say it's underrated. Because even my weight, I was going slower than the people around me. So, yeah, you're going to feel it's underrated, I'm sure.

All right. Any more brain busters? I've got one. So you grew up in Wisconsin. You live in Minneapolis. Yep. Underrated or overrated, the Minnesota Vikings? Overrated.

Green Bay Packers? Underrated. Yeah. Okay. I assume that might be your answer. Maybe not this year. But, I mean, if we want to look in general big picture here. Okay.

Then in general big picture, overrated, underrated, the state of Wisconsin? I'll let this go with underrated, the state of Wisconsin. I'll have to go with underrated. The state of Minnesota. Slightly overrated. South Dakota. Underrated. Ah, yes. Very underrated.

It's not rated that highly. Easy to be fallen as underrated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you found something you liked about it. I mean, this is like my favorite five-hour drive. A lot of people's favorite five-hour drive. More people are making it like the other direction. Overrated, underrated, pre-workout.

I would say overrated, but I will never stop taking pre-workout. So you're saying amongst the general populace, it's overrated, but not to say that you don't like to use it. So you like using caffeine as a tool? Like I was in school for 10 years, so I don't think I could ever. Yeah. Okay. Overrated, underrated supplements.

Overrated. Overrated, underrated. Natural male enhancement. Underrated. Okay. One final one. Overrated, underrated, natural male enhancement. Underrated. Okay, one final one. Overrated, underrated, massonomics. Underrated. Severely.

Well, that's a good point. So you've been working with us at Massonomics, but you're sponsored by Contraband, correct? What's their official name on Instagram? Do you know what it is? So they have their Contraband Sports as their main one, and then they have the Contraband Black Label, which is more of the male side of things,

and the Contraband Pink Label, which is more of the female side of things. Are you a pink label athlete? I mean, I would if they let me. I have been called a diva once or twice all right anything else that you wanted to get out in particular or um besides your penis i mean i don't i don't want to embarrass myself that much i prefer everyone to focus on the deadlift i figured you're overcompensating for some enormous deadlift.

Is that going to do it? Yeah, I think that'll do it. I guess we'd tell everyone, check us out on YouTube. You can see this full episode in video. Brad did actually have his penis out the whole time, so if you want to see it, you can check it out there on our YouTube channel at Masonomics go to Facebook

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We didn't talk about that much. That is, yeah. Good handle. But someone did comment on your deadlift video uh kind of fat really strong i saw that actually actually uh uh made me feel pretty special yeah uh it's a warm community we have so make sure to follow brad and see him lift all those heavy things and and things like fire hydrants etc uh you can follow the official massonomics at massonomics and we'll catch you next time for 141 see ya you just heard the massonomics podcast with your ears you're welcome

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