Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast - Ep 389 - The Franklin Scandal (feat. Nick Bryant)

Episode Date: March 30, 2022

Support the D.A.W.G.Z. @ patreon.com/MSsecretpod The D.A.W.G.Z. are joined by Nick Bryant - author of The Franklin Scandal & Confessions of a D. C. Madam: The Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail. Please enjoy. God bless. Nick's new book "Watergate: A Tale Of Extraordinary Lies and Liars" will be out in July! Support the show and get 20% Off and Free Shipping with the code DRENCHED at https:// Manscaped.com

Well, this is this is a big one special edition special edition. Normally, we're goofing around. Yeah, I've never been more ashamed to let somebody into our studio. As soon as he came in, I was like a lady. I was like, well, sorry, it's so messy here. We're here with Nick Bryant. He's the author of the Franklin scandal and confessions of a madam.

Yes, confessions of a DC madam. Fessions of a DC madam. The politics of sex lies in black. Yes. God damn. Oh, pull that like you speak a little more into the mic. So what you were just saying is how you got involved in the Franklin scandal at the very beginning. So let's yeah, let's jump right in.

Yeah, I was talking to an editor at Rolling Stone and he said, pitch me dark stories. And, you know, I said, just kind of throwing my hands up there. So I mean, what do you want? Do you want a story on Nazis? Do you want a story on Satanists? I mean, what do you want? And he goes, Satanists, that sounds good.

So I started this whole odyssey, this very dark odyssey. I was talking to Satanists and they struck me as they didn't strike me as very ethical people. Yeah, I'm actually quite anxious. And I felt like I had to wash my hands, you know, after I hung out with them. Yeah. But anyway, so and then I was trolling the Internet looking for subject matter. I mean, when you're going to write something,

you try to get as much information as you can and distill it. And then I came across a cult called the Finders that had been busted by the US Customs for trafficking children. They had six kids in Tallahassee, Arizona, and some concerned citizens called Tallahassee Police Department and Tallahassee Police Department arrested the two Finders and put the six kids in protective custody. And the two Finders were arraigned on multiple counts of child abuse,

multiple counts, and they held that $100,000 bond. I think it was might even been higher. And then and then two of the kids, according to the Tallahassee Police report that I got, two of the kids have been sexually abused. And then the US Customs report, US Customs got involved with it because there was child pornography and they got a search warrant for the warehouse where the finders lived and they found child pornography. The warehouse is in like D.C., right?

Yes, in Washington, D.C. And they found all kinds of really unsavory things. And and actually the finders had been connected to a murder, too. And all of a sudden, the CIA came in and quashed the entire case. And those two Finders were just let out of jail. And those kids were repatriated with the cult. And I thought to myself, I kind of thought I knew how the world worked. But after I read that document, it just blew my mind.

I mean, what what have I missed as far as my understanding of the world? What? How is this even possible that the CIA goes to bat for some very strange people that are treating children nefariously? I mean, how how does that happen? So that started my odyssey. That was in 2002. And I've been on this odyssey for the last 20 years. Wow. So what did the editor say when you're like, I got something when you came back

with that? Rather than run in the mill. He said, you know, Nick, let's just try to stick with Satanism. But how what do you think? When you like how how many Satanists have you talked to? And like, what are they? What's their like, life philosophy? Isn't it just pretty much like selfishness or like? Well, I mean, there's different types of Satanists.

That's the case. I might be a Satanist. I'm pretty selfish. You know, there's there's different types of Satanists. And they run the gamut. I some of them, it was very strange. Some of the Satanists that I talked to were really, really stupid. And some of them were really, really smart. Yeah, I didn't find any Satanists in between.

But I was going to go to one of the black masses. My here was my it was a simple plan. I'm going to go to this black mass and I'm going to write an article about it. And one of the the high priests that I had to read this book written by one of the Satanists, the founder of that particular St. Hennings Act, and I read the book and I said, well, you know, I read the book and he said, well, you got to do this.

And then I just, you know, he was trying to lead me down this primrose path to to embracing Bill Zabab. And I realized that there were actually proselytizing to me. And it wasn't really like a religion that I felt attracted to. Sure. Do you have to like eat? Like, didn't you eat like a kumku? You sure you get to eat like? Yes. Well, that was one of the problems.

Would your editor like, come on. The host was the potentiated administration and a seaman of the high priestess and then the priest. On what was the like on like a flowery wafer with the saying that everything is anti like it's an anti host, you know. So and it's an anti black mass, whatever. But well, that was the deal. If I read the book, I wouldn't have to take the anti host. Right.

And oh, really? That was like, if you don't read the. Yeah, you read the book and you won't have to. But then I read the book and I said, I read the book and I said, no, you still have to take the anti host. Oh, what's up? So I'm really up to I like people to live up to their word. That's important to me. And it was kind of it was kind of apparent to me that the.

The people in the darker fraternity didn't share his truth the way that. But and you you were at an ashram, an ashram, right? When you were younger, I lived in an ashram when I was 19 years old. How'd you how'd you fall into that? It's like it's not like it's not necessarily Hindu, but it's like a Hindu. This was a Swami. He was from India, Swami.

He was a genuine Indian guru. There he is. When when I was. In my teens, I was really searching. And I tried all kinds of spiritual paths. And I ended up living on this ashram with a genuine Indian guru. He was a Swami, which means he was celibate. And so I got there and I was just I was thirsty for knowledge.

And. And I was telling you the Swami one day and I could have swore I smelt cigarettes on his breath. And, you know, I went to one of the people on the ashram who I would later call pod the pod people. I said, you know, I could have swore I smoked cigarettes on Swami's breath. And he goes, yeah, well, see, the deal with that is he has to have one vice that keeps him tethered to this plan of reality

so we can teach us. And now needless to say, that didn't make a lot of sense to me. And then I found that out that he was having sex with all these girls on the ashram, and then I found out he was embezzling money for his more affluent initiatives. And I was seeing myself, that guy must be really spiritually developed. If he's got to do all that, just to stay on this plane of reality. I was thinking that's why that's a lot of so long.

Yeah, that was a bit of a Swami. No, and that was I always find that intriguing when people end up on they seem like a cool place to live. It's just a place you would go rather than like a Christian youth thing or just be like fairly certain. Every single one of those is that I. What do you think? I don't know if I've heard of one story.

You'd be smirking all the time. I haven't heard of I've never heard of one guru that wasn't definitely banging a bunch of the people. Yes, that's what I concluded. I because I looked into a lot of different gurus after that and they all have lower chakra problems. Every guru has lower chakra. Well, you know, they're old, ugly Indian men.

And then they and then they try to get Bob's in the game. And they found the best way to get Bob's true. And then they come here and they have all these beautiful young American women who are spiritually starved, throwing themselves. Yeah. And then it's too much to be. Yeah, how could they resist? Yeah, how could they resist? Yeah, I found a book. I found a book in a used bookstore one time.

They write really good books, though. Like I read this by a priest. It was like one of the best little books on spirituality ever read. And I'm like, I got to Google this guy. Pedophile. I was like, motherfucker. Damn it. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's I read Rama's books and I was really fascinated by them.

And so I mean, that's where I ended up at the adage room. So what do you let's which one do what do you want to get into first here? Because I read the beginning of the Frank. I read I read about half of the Franklin Scannell. Like I said, I was falling asleep. I would listen to I listen to audiobooks at night. So I was listening to Franklin Scannell at night and it was fucking me up. Like every night I was like, Jesus Christ.

And then I would start like I never went to sleep. I would just start Googling things like the finders. Immediately I started good. Yeah. And then I started going into like Pizzagate because it was in DC and they were attracting this. Like then I was like, is Pizzagate real? Like, you know, it's just every time I started reading, is Pizzagate real? I have no idea on that one.

I'm I'm agnostic towards with my philosophical training. I said philosophy in college. I try to approach everything agnostic. I really try not to make judgments on something, even though it may seem like a tontological truth. I try to withhold judgment. And with Pizzagate, I'm agnostic. Yeah, got you.

But the finders, it was the same. I mean, I was listening to you talk about it, but it was the same thing where it's like once you explain like six children were found with two dudes in suits, they were wearing like suits. Yeah, when the children are all malnourished, enough so that just a regular person called the cops when they saw them. Concerned citizens. And then they got nothing.

It was like, yo, this is very weird. And then there's no way they were like, no, we're just making sure we're good. We just like to dress nice and we didn't have the budget for their clothes yet. And the guys wouldn't talk right when they were getting into the card ready. The card could be like. And one guy actually went unconscious when the police started to grill him.

He went into satanic trance. He played positive. I don't know who's satanic, but yeah, he just went unconscious. Yeah, it's a good way to resist. It's in the US. I might do that to my wife. She's dead weight. She starts talking to you.

You might have to you might have to hook your wife up with the finders. I know, I don't know if I'd advise them, but you never know. That is crazy because you do that. There's a lot of people I'm sure you know this who are delighted in being like, that's all a bunch of bull. They don't want to hear any of it whatsoever. But that's like how much of it is like, like as you say, like some of its conjecture, some of it is like, like how much of the stuff you've done

is like ends in kind of like, like some nebulous weird stuff. Or like, what's like factual anyone could take? Like this is. I think I mean, the Franklin scandal, I was very, very cautious with it and very, very careful. I wanted to nail everything because I knew what I was the book that I was writing was so antithetical to people's mundane reality that it was going to be met with very, very, a lot of skepticism.

So but what happened with me with the Franklin scandal is I was able to score like there were three grand juries that covered it up. There were two grand juries in Nebraska and one grand jury in Washington, DC. Now, I don't know if your viewers are familiar with the grand jury, but grand juries are infamous for covering things up. Actually, like there was a grand jury in Florida looking into Epstein that said that Epstein hadn't molested a single child. What happens in a grand jury is a special prosecutor is chosen.

And then grand jurors are just regular people that have come in to do jury duty and they've been funneled to a grand jury. And it's not adversarial. The special prosecutor picks the evidence that is shown to the grand jurors and calls the witnesses. So special prosecutors have a tremendous amount of power over grand jurors. And actually, there was a New York judge that had a famous script that grand jurors have so much power or special prosecutor, special

prosecutors have so much power over grand jurors that they could get them to indict a ham sandwich. So with the Franklin. I mean, a few of those with the Franklin scandal, that those two grand juries and Nebraska said that not a single child had been abused. Yeah. And I read the article you sent as far as like, I know this is gross detail, but one of the, one of the reasons they were able to discount the children who

said they were molested by Epstein was one of them said he used a purple vibrator and another one said he used a white vibrator. So they were like, well, these two are lying. What? Yeah, I mean, he's just a one vibrator like they only they only called one of the victims, OK, one of the underage victims. And it was obvious that that was a cover up job. Yeah.

And it's really a shame that most Americans, because when you think of a grand jury, you think the gods of jurisprudence have spoken. But that's not the case at all. It's just a special prosecutor that's been chosen to show grand jurors what he thinks is compelling evidence. Yeah. And that's where a lot of cover up state is in grand juries. And then everything is sealed in a grand jury.

And what happened with me is I was able to get everything. I was able to get the sealed testimony and I was able to get the sealed exhibits from one of the corrupt grand juries in Nebraska, which at that point. I I was able to write the book and like I had a list of 60 victims. So it was up to me to find the victims. And that was tough, because a lot of those kids and you see with Epstein, too, you see with a lot of telephone networks, a lot of the kids come from lower socioeconomic backgrounds

and dysfunctional families. And that makes them ripe for predators. In this case, with the Franklin scandal, Lawrence King and also Craig Spence and with Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein and all the predators that were around him. So it finding them was very, very difficult because a lot of them had just dropped off the plan, just dropped off the plan of because these kids were from really dysfunctional backgrounds, poor backgrounds. And they were given money and repeatedly molested.

And then once they lost their youthful marketability, they were expunged by the network and they went on to become criminals to support. They were all drug addicts or most of them were drug addicts. So they became criminals and then they ended up in prison. So it was very difficult to find a lot. A lot of them never really used their social security numbers. So yeah. And I found them in projects. I I found one in a homeless shelter.

I found one in a prison. I mean, they were they were difficult. Yeah, messed up. Yeah. What are they? How like, are they like excited to talk to you? Or they just kind of like, who are you? Or like, how did you get to like, have them actually talk to you about this stuff? Well, it's you've got to be patient and you've got to be compassionate. I mean, I was very compassionate to all the victims that I met because of what they've been through.

And it's a matter of trust. I mean, you've got to build up trust with them. Sometimes the trust comes immediately. And sometimes the trust it takes a while to build up the trust. But you once you can, once you build trust with them, they won't, you know, tell you about the the worst horrors of their life. So let's let's get a what let's what happened with the Franklin scandal. Yeah. So with the Franklin scandal,

it was a it was a large interstate pedophile network. That was that flew kids from coast to coast, but a lot of and I also got flight receipts, like 200 flight receipts. A lot of the planes that they rented or chartered went to Washington, D.C. And in Washington, D.C. There was a lobbyist power broker named Craig Spence

and he his house, he was a C.I. asset and his house was wired for audiovisual blackmail. I get into his reality pretty heavily in confessions of a D.C. madham and I also get into it in the Franklin scandal, but a little more in confessions of a D.C. madham. Well, so, Cardi, do you have this? Is Mike have to move up a little bit towards a tiny? Yeah, just you can slide this thing down.

At least that work. OK. So these pedophile parties would happen at Craig Spence's mansion in the Calorama section of Washington, D.C. And it would be like a pretty much a straight political party initially that where there would be Washington, D.C. Literati and Literati and power brokers and politicians. They would attend these parties,

but then like maybe at 10 o'clock or something, someone would fire up a joint or something sexually inappropriate would happen. And then these people have been plied with alcohol. So if someone wanted to stick around for the after party, then they would be compromised. So you see like the level of Greece a person could handle. Yes, they would get me. Bust out a line.

Yeah, I'd be hammered doing. Yeah, they'd get me. Yeah, that's it. Get me. You don't want to say that. I'm true. I only deal in truth. So they would get me, dude.

So it didn't go all the way back to like to the start of the Franklin scandal stuff. It went back to Vietnam, supposedly. Well, that was in the two primary pimps, Lawrence King and Craig Spence King during Vietnam. King was in Thailand with the security clients, the top security clients. And Craig Spence was in Vietnam as a reporter for ABC.

So they were both in Thailand at the same time. I'm surmising that. And this is just my surmise. I'm surmising that both of them were molesting kids in Southeast Asia. And then ultimately, the dark corner of intelligence that does this type of stuff got ahold of them and said, you know, you can either do time or you can work for us. Yeah, because when both came back to the United States of America,

I mean, they were both from working class families. And all of a sudden, their careers just went exponentially high. So I'm I'm thinking that that was probably the deal that they made. Well, they were in Southeast Asia. Yeah. And is it the Franklin scandal? Because Larry King was in. He was in Omaha. One day, well, he was the general manager of the Franklin Credit Union.

Yeah. And he was it was like his personal ATM. When it's kind of interesting, the feds. You're supposed to be audited every year if you're if you run a credit union, but he hadn't been audited in four years. So shortly after George Herbert Walker Bush won the presidency, the Franklin Credit Union was raided by IRS and FBI. And and there was $40 million missing. So so. But basically, that credit union was a cash machine for Lawrence King,

but it was also a front for this interstate pedophile network that they that they ran together. And he was definitely pimping. Absolutely. Both he and Craig Spence were pimping and ABC reporter. Yes. Craig Spence was the guy who ended up in Washington, D.C. Oh, shit. So he was the one who was having having the parties. Oh, that was the guy who was hosting. Yeah. I mean, the parties were all over.

But oh, but Spence is the intelligent. Like I said, the dark corner of intelligence that does this type of stuff had installed the cameras, the hidden cameras and Epstein. Now, this is kind of interesting. Maria Farmer, who worked for Epstein, said that Epstein showed her the secret room. Where men, as in plural, were monitoring all these monitors and that all the bedrooms and all the bathrooms had hidden cameras. So that set up was very much like the set up in Craig Spence's house.

We're both places where you should play. Yeah. So Craig Spence was the Epstein of this particular story. Yeah. Oh, I got he was a party boy. He was the party. Cool guy. He's a cool guy. He's a cool guy. He's a cool guy. The operation. He was Craig Spence was the Prince of Darkness. Yeah. Was he was he in Satanism, too?

I do not know. I mean, I guess kind of. I do not know, but nothing but Christian. That guy was a pure psychopath. So nothing that he would do would surprise me. He was a pedophile, a psychopath, a drug addict. Jesus. And he was, I mean, the cream of the crop in Washington, D.C. politics would go to his parties. And isn't that strange?

Yeah. Isn't that kind of weird? The same thing with who was it? When Gates had to go to Epstein for like funding or whatever? It's always strange, like. Well, you know, the thing about Gates and Epstein is there's an article from the evening standard, the cover story. There's there's so many problems with the Epstein cover story, but there's an article from the evening standard from the UK

that says that Spence or Epstein and Gates were doing business in the 90s that their relationship went back to the 90s. So so if that's true, everything that we've been sold about Gates and Epstein is is all bullshit, which wouldn't surprise me at all. Because with Epstein, the media has just been into digging up salacious dirt. They have been screaming the Epstein article that I wrote, which no major magazine would touch, you know, called for justice.

All these kids were molested. We need justice. And but that doesn't seem to be a priority. And the Franklin Network was much bigger than Spence's network. The Franklin Network, I think, was was around for about 12 years. And Epstein's network was around for about 25 years. But the Franklin Network was bigger.

And I thought it was a kinder, gentler, pedophile network initially. But then I came up, I've come to believe that because the Franklin Network, a lot of those kids were pandered to sadistic pedophiles and there was a lot of pornography made, child pornography. And I think the same thing was happening with Epstein. Are you saying that you thought the Epstein one was, quote unquote, gentler? Yes. But now that I've gotten to know the Epstein network pretty well. Epstein was pandering girls under the age of 10 to eight year olds that I'm aware of.

I'm sure that I'm sure that there were more. And he was also pandering these girls to really sadistic pedophiles. Or some of the clients were very sadistic pedophiles. Yeah, because didn't his first case get sealed in the same? Was that sealed in a grand jury as well? Yeah, that was the one in Florida. Yeah, that was one Epstein was like he got in trouble. Yeah, I could be wrong here, but it was like it was going to be tried

like a regular trial. And then Rick Schritt, what's the guy's name? He came in and said, no, let's make it a grand jury. So it was sealed. Well, that was that was Barry Kushner. The stage. What happened there was the a 14 year old girl went to the Palm Beach Police Department with her parents. And she said that she'd been molested by Jeffrey Epstein.

And the Palm Beach and she described Epstein. She described his house. She described his anatomy and the Palm Beach Police Department started a year long investigation into Epstein at that point. And what happened after that year investigation is that they felt like he get well, they had statements from from five victims and then they had 12 corroborating statements. So they were immediately going to arraign him on five counts of child abuse.

But then that case got taken away by Barry Kushner in the state of Florida. And then there was a grand jury, which is very strange because usually grand juries in Florida are reserved for capital cases. So and then that grand jury found that Jeffrey Epstein had molested a single child and only one of and here's the thing with that. The Palm Beach Police Department had the statements of five underage victims, but they were aware of 17 more.

So there were 20. The Palm Beach Police Department was aware of 23 underage victims. And that prosecutor only called one. So it's very and it's very obvious to me that that was a cover up. Jeez. And then the matter was sealed. But didn't he have a sex offense under his belt after that or something? Well, here's what happened. So when that grand jury came back and said

that Jeffrey Epstein hadn't molested a single child, Michael Ryder, who was one of the heroes in this, or he was the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department, he got very vociferous. He raised cane. He said, you know, and he went to the the feds and they said, you know, this is obvious malfeasance by this grand jury and you've got to do something about it. So the feds were going to get into it. They were going to arrest Jeffrey Epstein while they were talking that there was

going to be a grand jury and then all of a sudden the grand jury was adjourned. And there was this really anxious deal made. And I've got the emails between the assistant U.S. attorney and one of Epstein's attorneys, Jay Lefkowitz and Emory Villafona was the the assistant U.S. attorney. And they're talking about how they can minimize Epstein's sentence. And then one of the the email says, well, there and the deal that they made was so corrupt that they had to go to a special magistrate to sign off on it.

And basically what that deal did is it exonerated everyone. It exonerated the procurers that exonerated the perpetrators. Jeffrey Epstein had to plead guilty to a single count of child abuse. He was sentenced to 18 months in a county jail. He did 13 and he had his little wing of the jail decked out like the Taj Mahal. So and he was and he didn't he grew out during the day. So he was molesting girls during the day while he was, you know, supposedly he was doing like nights there, but he only had to spend nights.

What? Yeah. Also. And this is this was 2008. He got he got arrested. Technically, I mean, he did serve time technically in 2008 for what, like 13 of the 18 months. Yeah, he did 30. But here's the deal with that hanging out with all these people. But here's the deal with that. Yeah. Yeah.

B.G. was hanging out with him after that. Bill Gates was still chilling. Yeah, the the fence had a list of 32 Epstein victims. But 32 and they did nothing with with any of that. And according to Alexander Costa, who is the U.S. Attorney at in the Southern District of Florida, he was told to back away from Epstein because Epstein was quote unquote intelligence. So and to the kind of power that is required to get a U.S.

Attorney to stand down can be done by two people. It can be done by the Attorney General. It can be done by the president. So that's how high the strings were pulled. Same with Franklin. The strings were pulled at the very apex of power. Jesus, man, that's terrifying. That's fucking terrifying.

It doesn't it doesn't speak well of our society. Yeah, I want to say you want good morning, America. But it's I don't know. Isn't it just it's clearly it's he just clearly they're just clearly intelligence like there's no real debate here anymore, right? Well, it's kind of interesting. How else could this be done? New York Magazine conscripted

six quote unquote experts on Epstein, and I was one of them. And and I came my teeth with Epstein in 2012 and I acquired his black book in 2012. And I tried to sell an article about his black book and nobody in the mainstream media wanted to touch it. Finally, Gawker was they touched it. And then we put his black book up on the Internet along with a bunch of his with all the names and stuff. Yeah, what was in the black book?

The names of I mean, the names went to Mount Olympus and the black book. He had like 22 contact numbers for Clinton and 17 contact numbers for. Why would they keep a book? I don't understand why they would keep a record of that. Probably so you don't get killed in prison. Yeah. It's people like that are very arrogant and they think that they can get away with it. True. Yeah. I mean, they've had Jeffrey Epstein been trafficking children probably since 1995.

And and and actually he was the first time he was reported was 1996 to the FBI and nothing happened. So he thought that he could could do anything you want. Yeah. And one thing that was interesting, the guy who got the black book, who took it out of there, who took it out of Epstein's possession, didn't I think he got 18 months in jail. He got the same crime punishment as Epstein did for moving the book for he had to go to a case, except he had to go to a real prison, a federal.

Yeah, a real prison. What it's a guy who stole the black book. And now let him tell it. Alfredo Rodriguez perloined him. He was Epstein's house manager and perloined the book. And it ultimately and then he tried to sell it to a lawyer that was launching civil suits at Epstein, because he was representing these underage victims. And it's pretty interesting.

So Alfredo Rodriguez approached the lawyer, the lawyer went to the FBI. The FBI did a sting and got the black book. And then that's kind of how I got the black book. Can't really give up the source. But but Alfredo Rodriguez circled the names of people that he felt were part of Epstein's network. And there's a lot of names that are circled. And and it's kind of interesting.

Virginia Guthrie, who was one of Epstein's victims, has named a number of the same people in her. Oh, really? Who are some of those people? She named a Hood Barak, Alan Dershowitz and both of them are circled. The Prince, Prince Henry, right? Prince Andrew. He's got multiple contacts, but I don't think his name was circled. Let me see.

A couple of former mayor or governors of New Mexico, Bruce King and Bill Richardson were circled. And the thing about Richardson, he was also Clinton's energies are. So and then a number of big time fans, financiers were circled, too. So it was like with the Franklin scandal, it was the cream of the crop of of our society. Jesus. Unfortunately, the upper crust is a bunch of dough held together by crumbs.

Or a bunch of crumbs held together by. Yeah, I got that one. So and so and there's a link being, I guess, so the link's been made between the CIA or like. Does anyone even know what they do besides like doing like sex traps? Like, what else is a why is it? Why are they doing that? I mean, obviously to like trap people up like power.

Yeah, it's all about power. Yeah. And the CIA started with the mandate. When it was originally when Harry Truman originally started the CIA, it was it was a precarious time. Joseph Stalin had the hydrogen bomb. And Joseph Stalin was someone who had zero appreciation of humanity. So. But what happened there was the CIA started started its own funding mechanisms and then also the honey traps.

Because they felt it was too important that fighting communism was too important to be left to politicians. So that's where this really dark part of the CIA comes in. Yeah, is the various types of schemes to make money and then and then also the honey traps. Yeah, did you talk about William Colby at all? In the Franklin scandal, I do talk about William Colby. It was William Colby.

He was the director, I think. He was the former director of the CIA. And actually, there was in the church hearing, there was there was a senator named Frank Church in 1977, who wanted to blow the lid open on a lot of the CIA's nefarious activities. And and he did a lot and there were two. William Colby was called and Dick Helms was called Richard Helms. Richard Helms was the then director of the CIA.

And Colby had been the former director of the CIA. And Colby really showed people how nefarious the CIA was. Some of it's some of the stuff that it was doing. But Helms kept his mouth shut. And what's interesting with Colby is he was actually conscripted. The Franklin Committee, what happened when that when Lawrence King was busted and dazzling $40 million and wasn't charged with a single child abuse.

There was a Franklin Committee that formed that was part of it was the Nebraska Senate, it was a subcommittee, Nebraska Senate. And they had a very good investigator, same as Gary Caridory. And a lot of the evidence that I have comes from Gary Caridory, like the list of the 60 victims that I had that came from Gary Caridory. The flight receipts that I got that came from Gary Caridory. All this was put into a grand jury and sealed. But a lot of the he was an amazing investigator.

And his plane, what happened, he. Was the FBI was hunting for him. I mean, here was the hunter became the prey because he was finding victims and he was finding all kinds of stuff that was that was corroborating these kids. And these kids were coming forward and being videotaped. And if the dominoes had started to fall in Nebraska, they would have fallen all the way to Washington, D.C.

So it had to be covered up at all costs. And Gary Caridory realized that the FBI was trying to put him away for scripting what these kids were saying. I mean, it was none of the kids said that. But the FBI was I mean, what the FBI did in Nebraska was very, very nefarious. Threatening perpetrators, threatening victims. So what Caridory realized that he needed blackmail pictures that that that was going to be absolute proof what was going on.

And he got ahold of a blackmail photographer named Rusty Nelson and they met in Chicago. And I've got five corroborations on this that Rusty gave him pictures in Chicago. And Gary was flying. Gary Caridory was flying back to Nebraska and his plane blew up in midair. And and then that was pretty much. And then the grand juries came out.

You know, shortly thereafter and said that there was no child abuse. And there's that Chinese proverb, kill one man, silence a thousand. Well, with this case, it was kill one man and his son and silence in 10,000, because nobody was willing to come forward after that, especially after the state in the feds and said that there was no child abuse. But the Franklin subcommittee hired William Colby to look into the death of Gary Caridory. And he didn't say that Gary Caridory had been assassinated publicly.

But he did tell people that were affiliated with the committee that Gary Caridory had definitely been assassinated. Damn. So. And there were a lot of other suspicious deaths in the Franklin scandal. I mean, every chapter, there's a there's a strange death or two. Yeah. Pseudo suicides and things like that. Honestly, yeah. Yeah. Jesus Christ, man.

That's nuts. And the rusty guy, that's the guy you were driving with and got pulled over with. Yes, I was I myself was looking for blackmail pictures and which I don't know if that was very prudent, but but I was. And Rusty said that he had some. Now, Rusty is a guy that he he takes blackmail pictures of adults and children engaged in. How do you get into that?

I guess. How do you get into that? Water rises to its own level, I guess. I mean, it's like. So. I. I relationship would be too strong. But I forged kind of an alliance with Rusty because he was having a lot of problems with legal problems. And I said that I would help pay for his legal bills.

All he had to do is provide me with blackmail pictures, which he said he had. So we took me on a wild goose chase to get blackmail pictures. And we didn't get any. And then I was driving him home on this desolate highway and we got pulled over. And and I start the Frangland scandal out with this is the cops. You know, I show the cops my ID and he doesn't even look at it. So get out of the car.

And then he deposits me in his car and then. And then he runs me through and I'm clean. But then he runs Nelsie, Rusty Nelson, through. And then there's a lot of numbers after him. And I'm sure that they weren't nice numbers. So they take Rusty out and then they rip a car, rip apart the car that I rented. And to you, all they found was my ginseng root. So that was that was about it.

But Rusty was gave me a lot of insight. I would never use Rusty as a sole source. But Rusty gave me a lot of insight because I, you know, when I asked him, you know, how does how does this work? And you said, it's like you're on a yacht and it's a beautiful day. And you can have anything you want on this yacht. But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people in the yacht are going to make sure that you drown.

So once you are compromised, there's zero motivation to come forward. And it's very interesting. And I wrote about in confessions of a D.C. madam, I picked out some politicians who had been obviously compromised. And one was Larry Craig. And Larry Craig was a very conservative representative and then senator. And he was in Washington, D.C. for 25 years. And he had the worst record of voting against gay rights, I believe,

in the Senate, if not the worst certainly up there. But he was getting gay escorts from Henry Vincent, who ran an escort service. Henry was the guy who I wrote the book with confessions of a D.C. madam. So Craig was getting escorts from Henry. And then he was getting escorts from elsewhere because Truby Dick's film Outrage talks about Craig getting escorts elsewhere. And then Craig was busted in an airport bathroom in Minneapolis. Trying to pick up a vice squad, a vice squad cop.

So here's a U.S. senator. Here's a U.S. senator trying to pick up someone in a bathroom. I mean, a U.S. So how hard would it be to compromise that guy? Yeah, true. I mean, a kid doing an after school, you know, project with a smartphone could compromise Larry Craig. So he was in an airport. Easily. He was in an airport.

His flight kit to lady was like, you know what? You know, it was it's kind of interesting the old foot in the back. It was the foot tap because I was I'm from Minneapolis. And I've been to that airport innumerable times and I was going to the bathroom once and one of the stalls. And somebody next to me was lapping his foot on the ground. And I was singing to myself, poor guy, he's got to have like a neurological disorder or something. You wanted to play. Yeah, he saw your shoes.

Now, an interesting guy is a fair game. I would have been pissed. And this is kind of interesting. Dennis Hastert had a he was the Speaker of the House for seven years from, I believe, 1999 to 2006. And he was a strong arm specialist, but he he was a pedophile. He'd been molesting kids going back four years. And there was a whistleblower named Sabelle Edmonds,

who talked about Hastert because the FBI knew about Hastert going to a house of ill repute. Well, he was Speaker of the House in Chicago. So so the FBI knew that Hastert was a pedophile or chances are, they knew that he was a pedophile. And for some inexplicable reason, they took him down. I don't know why the feds took him down and he had to do some time. The only thing that I can think of is he was getting too greedy

and he was told to back off because he he had a lobbying business that just exploded exponentially, especially with Turkey. So we don't really know the exact mechanisms of what he did to be taken down. But it was very strange, that whole thing. But and then everything was sealed and there was gag orders. So we I was because I was really looking very hard into Hastert. But I just couldn't get any information at that point.

Yeah, I mean, I could see the thing you're saying about the guys getting on to like the special crews. If you're like a rising star politically, they're probably feeling pretty good. You're like, I'm the man, I'm making money now, you know, all this stuff. And someone's like, hey, come hang with the big boys. But you smoke a joint with them. You're like, oh, yeah, like a girl comes out and like, yeah, by the way, she was well, you get done. They're like, yeah, she was 16. Yeah.

It's like we own you now. Damn. Yeah. I mean, and it's that easy. Yeah. And when you think about like our politicians, they've got a potent psychological alchemy of power, lust and arrogance. And nothing makes people stupid, like arrogance and lust. Yeah. I mean, really smart people do unbelievably stupid. He's going to make it because of arrogance and lust. Arrogance and lust.

Yeah, that's nuts. And if you if you don't play ball, they can probably just block you out and all together anyway. If you're like, no, that stuff's not for me. They're like, yeah, I think I was going to lose. Fuck him. Yeah. But I've been in this realm for 20 years now. And what Americans don't understand is that many of our politicians are compromised

and take Epstein for for instance, with Epstein. He was blackmailing some of the most powerful men in the world. Um, he had hidden cameras when the Palm Beach Police Department searched his home in Palm Beach, he had they found hidden cameras. He had hidden cameras in his New York residence that Maria Farmer talked about were multiple men were looking at the monitors.

And then and his island was also wired for artificial blackmail. So it's so he was blackmailing people. And what what people don't understand is a guy like Jeffrey Epstein, a guy who is he's from a blue Conner family in Coney Island. He's a college dropout. A guy like that cannot blackmail some of the most powerful men in the world because they have access. A lot of them have access to thugs and organized crime.

Like Les Wexner is heavily enmeshed in organized crime. He's a he was the billionaire. You own Victoria's Secret. He was the billionaire that gave Jeffrey Epstein millions. Oh, right. Right. Yeah. And if Epstein was, in fact, he owned Victoria's Secret and he still had to go to the pedophile parties. It's like, bro, you have it.

I mean, you're just a mannequin alone. That's an offer. Yeah, let me in the mall at night. Just the mannequin alone. I mean, he's a he's a whole frightening, scary looking dude. I mean, if I if I was a young woman and he showed up, I mean, I'd I'd split. But anyway. So there's no way that Epstein could have been blackmailing these people by himself.

Right. There was obviously a large organization behind him that said to these people that were blackmailed. And and and Spence had the same thing with the Franklin scandal. If you come after this guy, there's going to be huge retribution. And that's what kept I believe Jeffrey Epstein. How many how many how many types of those organizations do you think are running?

Because I mean, they caught Epstein. Yeah. But how many of those do you think? Like, I mean, it has to be a pretty consistent. Yes, I think that networks like that are ubiquitous in the United States of America. I because of the writing that I've done the last 20 years, a lot of people have talked to me about these networks and they want me to investigate them. And I'm only one guy.

Yeah. So, you know, I tell them, you know, I don't know if I can really have because you can tell when you see when you see major judicial malfeasance, that can be an indication that there's a network there. It was so. Yeah. What I was talking earlier, the like in Central Pennsylvania, there was the Penn State, the Jerry Sandelsky thing.

There was, I think, a district attorney that was looking into the case years before and he vanished. Yes, he was. Yeah. He was found. He vanished. His car was found by, I think, a lake. The river. I think the South Point River.

And I did talk to a prosecutor under him and she believed that Jerry Sandelsky was part of a pedophile network. She really believed that. And she believed that that that prosecutor had also been murdered. It sounded like, I mean, it sounded like it because it was from the Second Mile Foundation, which was a lot like Boys Town. Yes, it was for troubled kids. Yeah, Jerry Sandelsky was doing this.

But then it is a weird story. I was at the day the first game Joe Paterno didn't coach. So it was the week after that story broke. You went to that game. I went to that game. I was pretty excited about. But we were supposed to go. I went to a second mile dinner.

What a dude that was high up at Merrill Lynch, I think. Or one of those Goldman Sachs. We went to his house. He was a Penn State alumni. I don't want to be smirking because he might not have been a pedophile. But it was supposed to be a second mile dinner with like Joe Paterno, Sandelsky, like all these guys. What? And then I was walking around his giant mansion.

It's just a picture of him with every single president, all these things. I don't know. It's just like, you can see the political power these dudes have. Yeah, they have that power. And then the one guy who's friends with all them is doing exactly what they were doing in the Franklin scandal, which is getting kids out of a orphanage type situation and banging them. He was a lower socioeconomic.

Predators, Predators know how to pray in a district attorney. Just vanishing. Was it a district attorney? Yeah, I can't think of his name, but yes, they found his laptop and the hard drive was taken out of it. I mean, dude, like it was like, yeah. That was that there was an there's indications that that was a network. But I was and I pursued that for quite some time.

But and I was I got pretty close to somebody who could help corroborate it. But I just I couldn't nail it. So and that's the thing. Investigations like this, like the the Franklin scandal, it took seven years to investigate that. And I've been investigating Epstein since 2004. I'm ready to write a really good book on Epstein. I'm finishing up one book and I'd like to write because so many of that quiet till it's out.

So many of the so many of the books on Epstein have been Epstein light, like filthy rich on Netflix. That Netflix show was like, I turned it off. But it wasn't really. I didn't even watch it. They don't even come close. It really they do the same thing with Sandusky, where they're like, yeah, it was just one guy. We got him.

It's like, no, yeah, I never thought about the grand jury thing before. That is kind of an indicator to be like, well, let's do like a special trial for this guy. It's like, yeah, I never I even know what those things were, to be honest. I thought that was like, oh, you're in trouble. Yeah, Americans have no idea about grand juries and how easy they are to to corrupt. So it's unfortunate that so many Americans are unaware of so many things about their judiciary. It's also it's like the same reason people don't weren't taking your articles. It's like people don't want to.

Like they don't want to know if I told this to my dad. He'd be like, what? Yeah, shut up. He'd be like, I don't want to even think about this. You know, like there's creeps, like there's creeps out there. Yeah. But my there's only one member of my family that reads anything. I write. So. Yeah. People don't want to mean. But if you want to be an ostrich and stick your head in the sand.

I mean, the evil is only going to get larger and larger and larger. I mean, and that's the problem. As I said earlier, a huge problem has been the media. The media was into digging up salacious dirt. And that was that was it. No one called for any kind of justice. The New York Times did an article that names six procures, a.k.a. pimps, and the only one that's been indicted is is Maxwell.

Yeah. So there. And if this was if if Epstein was an actual trial, if there was jurisprudence that was that wasn't corrupted. Those those procures, and we know more than six, but you could start with those six, those six procures would be indicted on multiple counts of child trafficking. A kind of child trafficking goes as anywhere from 15 years to life. So you could rack up.

They could all be looking at a thousand years or whatever. And then you'd get them to flip on the perps. I mean, that's how the mafia was taken down. You get the lower people on the lower echelon to flip on the higher echelon and reduce their sentences. But there's been none of that. Elaine Maxwell is and and the Glenn Maxwell trial was such a travesty of justice. The the girls are women now who really knew a lot

about the network and who were molested by some very powerful. None of them were called. It was just the only the only victims that were called. And I think it was only four were molested by just Epstein and and Max. Has Maxwell been sentenced to anything yet? No, she has not been sentenced. And there's that judicial problem of one of the jurors saying that he had been molested.

And Maxwell, I don't know how that's winning right now. But the whole thing, everything about Epstein, there's nothing rational about it, nothing makes sense. Laws of the land have just been thrown in the toilet. And how did how did you feel when they? Well, when he committed suicide, allegedly, did you know that was common? Or because it seemed like everyone was like they're going to kill him. And then one day the cameras didn't work and the guards took a break.

Well, the guards took a break. The cameras didn't work. I am. I mean, it's sorry when the cameras. Damn, the cameras broke down. Damn, it's certainly very suspicious. Yeah, I don't think there's ever been more of a clear. Somebody killed him case. Yeah. I mean, there was a guy in prison

that the whole world was saying they're going to kill him. And then one day, I mean, they knew the guards knew this guy's a risk. And then one day, again, the cameras didn't work and the guards were taking a walk. Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot of anomalies. The his cellmate was taken out of the cell. I didn't even know he had a cellmate. Yeah, he had a cellmate.

What? The guy got taken out of the cell. And then he. Yeah, this is great. That must have been crazy. Like, what are you in here for? Well, if you watch. And actually, his cellmate had been a 14 year old. His cellmate had been a multiple murderer at one point, a former police officer. And they took him out.

And what's kind of interesting, William Barr, our lustrous attorney general, who helped. Now, this is kind of interesting. And this is where Franklin and Epstein connect. William Barr helped was Bush One's attorney general after Richard Thornberg ran for the Senate. And Barr helped cover up Franklin, the Franklin scandal. And then Barr played an integral role in covering up the Epstein scandal. Damn. And and Barr said when Epstein

killed himself, heads are going to roll and no heads rolled. And actually, the warden of that particular the Metropolitan Correctional Facility in New York, she was given a cushy job in New Jersey that she was. What? Yeah, I mean, so. Thornberg, by the way, wasn't he Harrisburg's governor? And Thornberg was Pennsylvania. Hey, that links second mom.

Really? What about Ed Rendell? What about Ed Rendell? Um, he hasn't come up. But Thornberg definitely helped cover up the Franklin scandal. Yes. And then Barr. What? And then Barr. Yeah. Oh, God. Thornberg is. I believe that Thornberg is a pretty dirty politician.

Yeah. Oh, no. What is the guy whose house I was at? I was. Oh, that what? Nothing. It's too close. Now, I'm part of the I know I'm part of the thing now. Yeah, the guy was the reason I was there was the guy I was with was he worked with Thornberg. What? And then we were at a second mile.

Dude, see, this is what happens when I read the when I listen to this. You start. I'm like, oh, no. Yeah, it's unsettling. It is weird, though, because when you do boil it down to like, you think about the little kids, it's just heartbreaking. But it's been politicized. The issue of sex trafficking, I would say, is kind of pursued more by people who lean to the right politically for some reason.

Well, actually, there's the feminist left and the religious right are equally against sex trafficking. Yeah. And they're strange, for lack of a better word, bedfellows. But I've been very disappointed by the anti trafficking community because they have not been vociferous at all about what's happened with Epstein. We know who a lot of the perps are. We know who a lot of the procurers are. There should be a lot of people in prison right now.

Yeah. But in and it's really heartbreaking for me. I've spoke the National Center on Sexual Exploitation has like an anti trafficking summit. And I've spoken there at the last couple of years and I've seen them do very little to to get this issue out. I in a lot of most of the anti trafficking organizations, unfortunately, have not been vociferous about this issue at all. Yes. And it's it's it's heartbreaking to me

because when the government doesn't work and when the media doesn't work, you've got a lot of anti trafficking organizations. They should band together. I mean, either you're if you're against child trafficking, you're categorically against child trafficking. And here is an obvious case of child trafficking being covered up. And none of these organizations are getting, you know, making any noise about it, which which is very difficult for me

because I know some of the people involved in these organizations. And I just expected more from them. It was troubling. Yeah, what is so with the media in general, how do you how do you think like how much of this stuff do you think they know and cover up? Or how much does this stuff just not come across their like desk? Or like, have they had any like specific roles in like kind of? It's hard to say.

I will say this, that I do believe that a lot of people in the media are compromised. Yeah. And I think people very high in the media. And I don't know if this is true anymore, but but it would be close. Six corporations own 90 percent of the media that's imbibed by Americans. And I got handed to as a CIA or intelligence or whatever you want to call it. I mean, they don't compromise people at the. I mean, they go right up to the top when they when they compromise somebody.

So I don't know exactly. I've got some suspicions about who's compromised and who's not. But I don't know exactly, but I will say this, that the way that the media reacted to this with just, as I said earlier, just kicking out salacious dirt. It just was it was it was an embarrassment for me as a journalist to see. Yeah. Them the way that the media handled this. So yeah, it seems like all they ever do is post a picture of Trump with Maxwell or something.

They never look into anybody who's guilty of or not guilty, but who's been named. Yeah. Virginia Goofrey named a bunch of them and her in a deposition and her deposition was unsealed. And a number of the people that she named were circled by Alfredo Rodriguez in the Black Book. So there you've got double corroboration. And but none of them have been arrested. I don't even know if any of them have been questioned. I mean, it's Prince Andrew got hit.

He got like, but it's weird. It's like it seemed like he settled with people. Didn't he? Didn't he settle out of court? Yeah, I think I mean, I've heard 12 million, but I'm not exactly sure. So but he, you know, that's kind of I think his mommy came in. His mommy came in, came in. Oh, my God, man. That's embarrassing.

God, you got to you got to wake your mom up in the middle of the night. You got to stand in the doorway and go, mom, can I play with you for a little? I'm in trouble. Oh, what did you do, Andrew? Remember that cool island I was going to? I remember going to the cool parties with the other 12 year olds. Yes. So he got, I mean, his apology. That one interview, he came on and was just like, I'll admit, I let my flap down.

That was his whole day. Well, he also said he didn't sweat, too. Yeah, I mean, it really, I mean, it really showed how stupid he is. I mean, and I don't know, I think it might be too much royal inbreeding Europeans, but yeah, at that BBC interview, he really showed. I mean, it's also he's probably just so out of touch with talking to any normal people. Normally, I'm sure he spent his whole life saying, I don't sweat. And then everyone in the room went, oh, wow, that's really interesting.

Not one person ever was like, what? Well, the messaging is weird because they're like, I absolutely did not do that. I just apologize and let my side down. Also, here's $12 million. It's like, so wait, what did you do, dude? If someone was like, you must have kids, I'm like, no, I fucking did it. Like give us 12 million bucks. I'm like, no, it didn't last any.

I don't have it. Yeah, that's that's the weirdest part to me when it's like, well, I absolutely did not. But I would apologize. It wasn't this has any have anybody else Prince Andrew, but has any of that have any of these other people that have been named to come out and talked about it or been because any time I see Bill Gates, although Bill Gates was never really billed named in those books.

Was it? I know he was no, I know he was on like. No, no, it wasn't. But I think that according, as I said earlier, that evening, standard articles said that Gates and Epstein go back to the 1990s. That's not great. If that's true, I mean, I don't see how Bill Gates could not be compromised. And Bill Gates is showing lebedness behavior amongst his employees. So really? Yeah.

And it's a good way to put it, too. Lebedness behaviors. So. Nerd race, predatory nerd rage. So it's it's difficult to know. I mean, if Epstein and Gates go back that far, I do not see how Bill Gates could not be compromised. Yeah, well, he hung out with him. He spent a weekend at his place post and after the first night.

Yeah, he was like. Yeah, my bad. That was an oversight of my half. I needed money from him. Yeah, he's like, well, he's dead now. I know that was his thing. He said he said, well, he's dead now. So. Yeah, I mean, it just it's hard for people to wrap their heads around. You know, because it doesn't mean like every single person in the government's corrupt.

It's just there are psychos that don't get stopped. And, you know, I was there ever because I remember after the Epstein suicide, wasn't there another was somebody who did the autopsy that said this was conducive with hanging or not hanging self-hanging. But there was there's been a number of people that have come out. Julie Brown of Miami Herald, who wrote the three the series of articles that really out at Epstein. She's convinced that Epstein didn't kill himself.

But will there ever be an investigation? There's never been any investigation with anything with Epstein. I mean, there's, you know, the last time there was an investigation, it was the Palm Beach Police Department in 2006. I mean, that was the last time. I mean, the feds, as I said earlier, the feds had a list of 32 victims and they did not indict Epstein on one single count of child abuse. And it's very, it's very obvious that Epstein,

everything that he did had been covered up. And as I said earlier, the first known reports of Epstein. Of victims going to the FBI were the farmer's sisters went to the FBI in 1996. So Epstein had been covered up all those years, which is. And like with the Franklin Scandal, the Franklin Scandal was a huge network. It was bigger than Epstein's. Wasn't as was around about half as long as Epstein's, but it was much bigger than Epstein's.

According to federal and state authorities, not a single child had been abused. That there wasn't a network. I mean, it's and that shows you and then with the Epstein stuff, that, you know, all the stuff that went on like the cover up in 1996. And then the feds covering it up with the 32 victims. It shows how much power had to be deployed to cover that up. And as I said earlier, the only people, the only two people that can tell a U.S.

attorney to stand down are the attorney general and the president. So someone is, as I said earlier, someone is pulling strings at the apex of power to cover that type. So when when the, which I'm going to call it, when Larry Lawrence King got busted, who was president then? That was George Herbert and he said he was friends with Bush, right? Yeah, he was friends with everybody. Did he have was there things about like the White House tours and like like Bush

having kids in his house or in the White House? Well, Craig Spence, we talked about earlier, the sociopath that lived in Washington, D.C. He took kids and male prostitutes on midnight tours of the White House. What? Yes. Just and that's getting hot dogs and pizzas to the White House. Yeah, that's from Chicago. And that has been corroborated.

Really? Yes. Male prostitutes going to the White House. Yeah. That's nice. This is all bad. And and at least one underage one, at least one. Yeah. So just hanging there. Like, do they say like what?

Like there was like night out, like you check this out. Or do they imply I think Spence just wanted to show some people how much power he had. Jesus, man. After after a night of partying or whatever they did, he said, well, I'm going to take you guys on a true White House. That's pretty awesome. No, yeah, like wouldn't there be like I guess. There's no real ramifications sometimes.

And George H. W. is in there. He has nightcap. So in law, little did he know. You know, there's a parade that's so fucking crazy. And the Washington Times broke that story. And and the Washington Times also broke stories about Spence's home being wired for audiovisual blackmail. Where what being wired?

Spence's home being wired for audiovisual blackmail. So and unfortunately, the Washington Times is owned by Reverend Moon of Unification Church fame. They've done some amazing reporting, but they're tainted. And then the Washington Post did everything it possibly could to cover up Spence's pedophile network. Who owns Washington Post? So at that point, it was Catherine Graham.

OK. And now her son, son owns the Washington Post. Oh, no, what's Bezos on? I thought Bezos owned the post. He owns part of the post. OK. Yeah. And and then before that, Warren Buffett did own part of it. Did you watch the show Succession? I did.

What do you think about that in terms of like, because that's pretty much what most of the show is about, how people can just completely spend the media narrative and kind of just move politicians to their pleasure. I didn't think I was going to like it, but I kind of got into it. Yeah, it's a good show. Yeah, it well, I mean, it just shows. I mean, and that's in a very fictitious sense. Sure. But but I mean, I think it, you know, all art reflects reality.

And and I think that that show really shows that the reality of how easy it is to cover things up and to get away with unbelievable malfeasance. Yeah. And how how many death threats have you received? Yeah. Midway through this podcast, I was like, oh, well, we're going to get killed. We're definitely going to get killed. I've only had one. And now I've had some very strange stuff happen to me.

Yeah. But especially with my phones. Really? But I've only had one death threat. Yeah. What was the threat like? Knock it off or like? There was. So this is it's kind of interesting. Stop being a party pooper. We're having fun. OK. So earlier, I talked about living on an Indian guru's ashram. And and someone who lived there, we maintain a friendship over the years. And he lived in Omaha.

And my first trip to Omaha. I knew that something had gone down in Omaha, but I didn't think it was, you know, big and malignant like it was. I didn't think like I didn't think that it was an interstate pedophile network. I didn't think that Boys Town was involved because Lawrence King was plundering Boys Town for underage victims. I knew something had gone down. So I went to I originally went to Omaha, very skeptical.

And I told my buddy. Dirk, you know, I said, I'm in. I hadn't seen him for I hadn't seen him for, I don't know, four or five years. And I said, yeah, I'm going to go to Omaha. He goes, why do you want to come to Omaha? Well, I want to I'm looking into the story. And, you know, he was a little. He was a little concerned about my mental health at that point.

But so I stayed in his at his apartment and. And then. The Nebraska patrol started calling his apartment. This is 2002. I didn't even have a cell phone. And Nebraska patrol started calling his leaving messages on his answering machine. Was this after you got pulled over with the rusty guy before? This is this is long before.

Well, this is this is two or three years before. So. So there was a woman. I was sitting. Dirk was coming back from his work. And I was sitting watching the History Channel or something like that. And then I hear a knock on the door and I go look through the home. It's this really freaky looking woman.

And she says, I've got a book for you. And OK, so by the time this happened, I had interviewed a victim. I had interviewed Rusty Nelson. I caught someone following me. I was, you know, I was like, you know, Defcon four at this point. And so.

And and my buddy, Dirk, was, you know, he was getting, you know, kind of uptight about it, too, because we have, I mean, I'd obviously kick the hornet's nest. And so this woman said, I want to give you a book. And at this point, I did not want my fingerprints on that book. And I didn't want her fingerprints in my friend's apartment. Yeah. So I said, you know, please leave. And she wouldn't leave.

And I said, come on, just just leave. You know, and then and then I and then I got her. And then she eventually left. And then my buddy, Dirk, came in with some groceries. We're going to cook dinner that night. And and he goes, you know, I saw this freaky woman. And I said, she's been, you know, I've just been talking to her for about five or ten minutes.

And then so where Dirk is making dinner and then she comes back. And and then Dirk looks at her. I look at her, you know, through the people. And I said, dude, we can't let her in this apartment. And we don't want her fingerprints in this apartment. We don't want her finger on that book. So what was the book?

Could you say I didn't see it? Say cheese and die by Carl's sign. So it is a very spooky. That's terrifying. So. She decided to leave, but her parting shot was you're in a great deal of danger and you're going to get killed. And now that really short circuited not only me, but Dirk, you know,

Dirk realized, you know, this is real. And so we had a very nice dinner that night, but we didn't get a lot of sleep. That was the part of the book that I was going to sleep. And then that story is told. And I was like, that's that's very scary. That's scary. I know that I know the look of a crazy, like, you know, looking through a people and seeing a lady out there like, true, yeah, like that type of they

always stand like right up against the door, crazy lady. Knock on my door. She I think she was just genuinely a crazy lady. And they like, I opened the door and her face is right there. I'm like, ah, yeah, very scary. Well, at that point, I got very cautious. And like I said, I didn't want my fingerprints or Dirk's finger at one. So good call.

But yeah, in an investigation like that, you've got to kind of think about like before I went and got tried to get pictures with Rusty. I made a video of myself and I said, this is what I'm going to do. You know, if I get busted for these pictures, this picture, I'm in pursuit of the story. If I don't come back, you know, yeah, I mean, you know, we obviously got the pictures. So what do you do with that?

You just like put it, give it to your friends. Yeah, I give it to my what I did is all my interviews, I put them on CDs, I gave them to everybody. And then all the documentation that I had, it's in three different areas. The scary, the scary part about it has got to be that they don't really care who knows. You know, I mean, like the way they did with Epstein, I mean, they blew up that guy's plane, they killed Epstein in front of the entire country.

Oh, yeah. Like it seems like they're really not worried about it. I think once they survive one news cycle, it's they're clear. It's done. Yeah. Yeah. I think with my situation, I was a freelance journalist and I think that other journalists had looked into that and they'd put heat on them and that was OK. And so they just thought that that kind of be the end of Nick Bryant. And and I can remember I was I had I had a mentor.

He's since I was a journalist and we were walking through Washington Square Park and you know, I was looking up at the buildings for snipers. I mean, I mean, I left Nebraska very freaked out. And, you know, we sat down and he was he was a mentor of mine. He was a great guy. I loved him deeply. And he goes, you know, if you don't want to pursue this, I'll still respect you. And I thought about, you know, I said, you know, I think I have to pursue this. I mean, I know about it.

I got to do what I can to get it out in the world. So yeah, it was. And it's an undeniable fact that a ton of kids are sex trafficked. It's like there's no like, you know, it's isn't like people like people like to lump this like all this is all conspiracy stuff. It's like, well, there are kids getting sex trafficked. There's been big sex traffickers getting busted, and then it just goes away. So like you were saying, like the only people who can do that are, you know,

two people that's like clearly some things amiss. How do you how do you get kids? Or what's like you're at? This might sound funny. What's like practical advice to like make sure your kids don't get caught up in this stuff? Is there a saying now with like the Internet they can kind of just contact kids online and like they look for kids who are like slightly disheveled? Well, it's a thing.

I mean, if if a kid's from a lower social economic background, the strong show background, they're prime. Yeah, there's nothing you can do for predators. I mean, and predators really know how to pray. I mean, guys like Lawrence King and Craig Spence and Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, those guys are predators par excellence. They they know how to how to get children. And and they obviously really don't have any legal problems.

So retribution. So they can they can get kids and molest them with immunity. Jesus Christ. That was the thing I was watching today was just about this one guy would go to like football games and just go like a high school football game. It's like he saw a girl with like an ankle monitor and he's like perfect. She's just see a girl without a dad or parents. Yeah, it's like perfect.

That's an FC was also buying children in Eastern Europe, too. Oh, man. It's what didn't the that St. Ness group didn't they weren't they like breeding allegedly? They were like breeding kids for like the purpose of selling them. The finders, there was like some finders were there was a tell us about the finders buying a kid. Oh, OK.

And in Hong Kong and and then there was also evidence that the finders would respond to people that were looking for babysitters. Oh, yeah. Oddly enough, you look up the finders because when I was reading the book, I started trying to look up the there's almost nothing. There's a great article to find. The Elizabeth Voss VOS wrote a really good article on the finders. It's the most it's the best rendition of the finders

that anybody's ever come up with. And I did find one of those kids. And I got to the grandmother. I found the grandmother. And then the grandmother had taken on the finders to get the kid. And the finders had really subjected her to, you know, a terror, just a lot of terror. And but she's hung in there.

She wanted her grandkids her grandchild out of that cult. And I asked if the kid was only 17 at that time or 16. And I asked if she would mind if I interviewed the kid. And she said that she didn't want me to intervene. God, yeah, I just, you know, back off there. So we're getting close to time here. Yeah. How about you got you got a book coming out? You said in July, I do.

I've got a book coming out at all, you know, it's it's it's called the the truth about Watergate, a tale of extraordinary lies and liars. And what you'll see in this book is that the Watergate cover story is is almost purely fabrications and Woodward and Bernstein are pathological liars. I've got them nailed in so many lies. I mean, they even lie. I mean, they lie about important things. But like Bernstein's talking about, you know, he's going out to talk to someone

and he's in this storm. And then on that particular day, there's no storm. I mean, so I mean, they're lying about inconsequential things like that. I mean, so I mean, they're just telling lies. And and Bernstein said that he was going to he was ducking a subpoena and hung out in a theater where he was watching Deep Throat. Well, actually, Deep Throat wasn't even shown, you know, during that period in Washington, D.C.

So there's so many lies and Deep Throat, Woodward's, you know, sagacious source. Yeah, I really show how that's kind of impossible. Mark Felt, who was out at his Deep Throat after he was very suffering from dementia and wasn't quite there. And I do think that Mark Felt gave Woodward some information. But Mark Felt was living in. He got fired from the FBI. And supposedly Felt would go by Woodward's apartment.

And if the flower pot was out, then that meant that Woodward wanted to contact him and they would take all these cabs and they'd meet in, you know, in Virginia. And and it's kind of funny because. The the real critical information that Deep Throat gave Woodward is when after Felt got fired from the FBI. So he's driving in from Alexandria, Virginia every day, looking up at the looking up at the patio. But here's the kicker.

Woodward's apartment faced a courtyard. I mean, you could not you to see to see Woodward's apartment. You had to get out of your car and then walk 50 feet and look straight up. So, I mean, that's just one of many things. So the whole just like as a summary, Watergate was like, what was what was the thing you think they're covering up? Watergate was it was a silent coup. Hmm.

People now Nixon, I, you know, I don't dispute that the dude had some major psychiatric issues. But but what Nixon was trying to do is he was he was opening up China. For called reproachment, diplomatic. And then he was doing strategic arm limitations with the Russians. He wanted to really scale back on nuclear weapons. And what happened there is like the jingles in the military and also in the CIA really. And Nixon was conducting these negotiations with that top secret

communication system that the that the Navy had was called SD1. So initially, the Joint Chiefs of Staff had an espionage ring against Nixon. And then the administration outed them. And then like then the CIA started to infiltrate his administration, the inner sanctums, because all those burglars that were busted at the Watergate, except for G Gordon label, he wasn't actually busted at the Watergate, but he was busted later on. They were all CIA.

So and, you know, Woodward has an extensive background in intelligence. And actually, the special prosecutor that was able to get rid of Nixon, he has a background in a lot of connections to CIA. So the CIA was, you know, wanted to get rid of Nixon. And it got very it had some fortuitous things happen. And then and then but Watergate was like a completely a botched job. I mean, those guys should they were in the Watergate twice. And they should have been busted the first time.

But the the security guard was cognitively challenged. I mean, he just wasn't that right. I mean, at one point, OK, so the Forest Gump told him. Yeah, I mean, no, no, Forest Gump made this guy look like Einstein. So the deep undercover, he could have been the ultimate deep throat. The Democratic National Committee was on the eighth floor of the Watergate. And the Federal Reserve was on the sixth floor. Now, someone had burgled the Federal Reserve a month earlier.

But at one point, and this is mind-boggling, McCord, who was a CIA guy forever, led the burglars, who are all CIA assets, up to the signed in and went to and this is around midnight and went to the Federal Reserve. I mean, I remember that. I mean, and they couldn't and that security guard was too stupid to to call the police. So they were like, we got to do it again. Yeah. So they had to do it.

Yeah. So they had to do it again. And that's the reason you're here, burglary. Yeah. I mean, all right, go ahead. When you read the book, it's kind of kind of mind boggling what. What what happened? What really happened? At least at least Nixon got off easy compared to JFK. True. Well, I think they turned it down a little.

They were like, we're just going to fake a thing. You'll get impeached. It's better than getting your head blown off during a parade. Definitely. Well, the thing about that is there had been so much blowback with Kennedy and the Warren Commission. Like a majority of the Americans didn't believe the Warren Commission. I mean, the media has had all these years to work on them and brainwash them. But 60 percent still don't think that Oswald acted alone.

So I think and then you had the death of Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. So I think had you not had those previous assassinations, the CIA probably would have assassinated Nixon, what this way it was. Gosh, it was a kinder, gentler. It's almost like why Maxwell is still alive. Yeah, you know, there's no way they can do that again. Just like that. I hope so. Like every other thing they can do every other.

Yeah, unless it's the civil rights leaders. Then it's oh, they can do it. They iced them pretty badly. Yeah, they had a nice little run of assassinations there for a while. And I guess they got more sophisticated. Like, oh, I guess we could just make up terrible shit about these guys. Yeah, a little easier. Well, I think that's it.

Yeah, that was awesome, dude. Thank you. That was awesome. Thank you so much. And yeah, thanks for looking at all the stuff. It's pretty scary to do. What's that? You know, you keep looking at it. What are you just trying to find the one crazy lady out of it?

Don't. I don't know. You know, it's once once I was on this trajectory, I wanted to see justice. Yeah. I have talked to so many victims. I've spoken at so many conferences. I've interacted with, you know, so many victims. And I just want to see them get justice so they possibly can.

Yeah, well, it's funny with the feminists, too, because they talk about the patriarchy. You know, like, oh, here's a bunch of powerful men abusing children and they're like, that's a conspiracy theory. It's like, no, isn't that like your whole philosophy for how the world works? Like, no, that's conspiracy theory. It's like, no, it's there. There they are.

Yeah, lock them up. Here's their names. Yeah, it's kids, man. It's little kids. It's like, and it's definitely happening. And it's, you know, it's fucked up. Yeah, it's had the media had any integrity whatsoever. Washington, D.C. would have been filled with mobs to manage justice.

There was a similar situation in Belgium. And it a hundred, a couple hundred thousand Belgians hit the streets. Really? Yeah. How long ago was that? It was late nineties. Yeah, I remember there was a joke in a movie I heard about in the movie in Bruges. Oh, he is. He makes a joke about Belgium.

That's the only thing I've ever heard about the Belgium pedophile thing. It was Mark Dutrou was the guy that got caught. And but yeah, that was a I mean, that point you had law enforcement coming on and saying this is a cover up. Yeah, like what happened with the Palm Beach Police Department in Epstein? Yeah, he blew the whistle on it pretty good. And they still cover it up.

They're like, all right, next level. I'm going to hit the bathroom. Yeah, well, all right, well, let's wrap it up. Thank you very much. And yes. Yeah. Thank you so much. All right. Well, that was our interview with Nick Bryant, man. And I don't know about you.

I feel spooked and I'm ready for this. Definitely to get taken down and all of our money to be taken. They're going to kill me with the heart attack gun. You think so? Yeah. I've been talking about being fat and doing code. Yeah, I mean, with the heart attack gun. The sonic wave. You you're jumping off a building.

I think they'll let me eat true or those like M.K. Ultra me. Let me go crazy. Yeah, they might they might be it might be good to keep me around. Pretty easy to get rid of us. Oh, dude. After all the knowledge we just acquired. Also, I almost get I almost get rid of myself. Just like walking my dogs and like listening to my headphones. I almost get hit by a car like once a month.

Yeah, I'm going to let the CIA off the hook here. I'm probably going to have a heart attack. It probably wasn't them. Just be patient. If I do commit suicide. That was probably me. Like I'm not saying I'm suicidal, but if I ever do it, I was probably pretty sad. There's a greater chance of me killing myself in the CIA.

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A bunch of very funny comedians. So that's Wednesday at the stand. That's Wednesday, April 6th at the stand at 7 p.m. You get to see the mall dog. Yeah, please come. All the stuff's on my Instagram. So that'd be nice. Thank you.

The seventh, eighth, and ninth, albeit the West Palm Beach Improv. Palm Beach. Whoa. Palm Beach Improv. The 14th, 15th, and 16th, I'll be at Good Nights in Raleigh. 22nd, 23rd, a little Nashville,

County of Amity-Faceville. The 28th, 29th, and 30th, I'll be in Indianapolis, Helium. May, oh, here's the ones I gotta get out because I haven't done a good job of advertising these. May 6th, Friday, May 6th, I'll be at the Academy too in Manchester, UK. Sunday, May 8th, I'll be at the wardrobe

in the Leeds, the United Kingdom. Monday, May 9th, I'll be in Glasgow at Oranmore. Thursday, May 12th, I'll be in Dublin Island at Liberty Hall, early show sold out on a big deal. Thursday, May 12th, there'll be a late show also at Liberty Hall in Dublin. Friday, May 13th, this is confusing for a lot of people. Friday, May 13th, I'll be at the Lester Square Theater.

That is sold out. That's at 7.30. Then I'm going across town for a 9.30 show. Friday, May 13th, I'll be at Shepherd's Bush Empire Theater in London. And that's actually, that's the first theater I'm ever doing in my life. Really?

It'll be in London. Damn. It'll be pretty sick. So, Shepherd's Bush Empire, May 13th, please come to that, blokes. Dude, you gotta go full picky blinder. I was- Keep the razor blades in your head, fuckin'.

I'll be all my order in a picky blinder. You better come to my show, eh? I'll be in Austin, April 14th, at Cap City Comedy Club. McGurby's Joke House, April 21st, Timonium Maryland. That's gonna be lit. That's gonna be fun. April 21st. April 21st, right after 4.20, dude.

I don't know if I'm- Is that a weekday or a- I believe it's a weekday. I believe it's- I might do a little guest spot. Dude, that'd be so fun. I believe it's a- How the fuck I'm in gay Nashville?

I think it's a weekday. I'm pretty sure it's a weekday. I'm in Nashville that whole week. And the big one, dude. The mother of all shows, Bananas Comedy Club. Oh my God, Bananas is sold out yet? April 29th and 30th, I don't know.

That's gotta be sold out. I don't think so. They would've told me. That's gotta be sold out. April 29th and 30th, Bananas Comedy Club, Rutherford, New Jersey. Rutherford, New Jersey. Yeah, I don't know if you've not been able to say Rutherford.

Is it Rutherford or Rutherford? Rutherford. Yeah, it's Rutherford's. First of all, Gonzaga's not even in the fuckin' tournament you dig it. I was like, tell my cousin, I got Gonzaga. They lost recently, they lost recently. Yeah, they did win.

When I told you they were winning, they were. Really? Yes, and Gonzaga. All right. So we're doing this before the episode? No. Put this at the end. Put this at the end.

Put it at the end, yeah, put it at the end. Thank you. Thank you for watching our show. Read the Franklin scandal, dude. That shit's scary. Dude, I'm all over it. It's spooky. It's great.

All right, goodbye. Very well.