Mayday Plays - Doomed To Repeat - Arc 2 Debrief

Episode Date: July 31, 2022

The cast reflects on Doomed to Repeat and answers your questions.

Hey, good evening, good afternoon, and good day, folks. I would like to welcome each and every one of you to probably one of the most, arguably, the most awaited portions of arc two of Mayday Roleplay's Doom to Repeat, the debrief. Today, I'm joined by the absolutely incredible, breathtakingly so, cast and crew of Mayday Roleplay. We've got Serge, the handler, we've got Eli,

we've got Allegra, we've got Zach, we've got Caleb, we've got Aaron, we've got Amanda, we've got everybody here, and really, the whole point of this, right, is just to address and answer some of your most pressing questions after this absolute roller coaster of an arc. I mean, just when we thought arc one, just when we thought there was no way

Mayday could top arc one, they went ahead and did it, and they turned everything up to 11. I mean, really, they hit 12 here with arc two, so what a ride, folks, absolutely incredible work. Speaking as both a member of Mayday Roleplay now, hey, and a fan, thank you so much for everything you did this arc, and can't wait to see what else you all do.

But without further ado, what we're gonna do is I'm essentially acting as your host and master of ceremonies at NC for the evening. We will be reading questions that we've received from all of our patrons, as well as various listeners on our various social media platforms. So we'll go through those. Each of the cast also had their own questions.

I'll probably have a few myself, and we'll go through those, and we'll kind of get all that out in the open, talk about what we can. Most importantly, perhaps, a little bonus content for y'all. We are gonna cover a very, very important part of arc two that did not make it into the final cut, but almost ended the show. And, yeah, so.

We're leading, that's a great lead-in, Vince. I'll leave till the end of this. Yeah, I got a little bit gale. Yeah, so stick around. And with that, I am gonna go ahead and kick us off with our very first question. So, yeah, one of our very dear friends of the show, one of our most favoriteest patrons, Ankh,

we love you, Ankh, has asked, what will arguably be probably the most important question of this entire process, okay? Since Mallory has been reassigned, will we never get the ship that we have all been pining after? What's with us losing moms lately? Well, who's on the left and right? We lost moms.

What shit was it? Which one of us is after Mallory? Yeah. I thought it was Marlene and Mallory. That was my guess. Wow, interesting. I'd read that. Honestly, same.

Then you gotta write that. It's the correct ship. Obviously, we're getting a look into Ankh's mind that they want somebody to ship with Mallory, so they don't care who. I'm curious. Okay, but a cool mongo is what she ships with Mallory. Yeah, right?

Most of us don't even like her. Raise your hand if you have a crush on Mallory. I used to. Wait, oh, was it Charlie and Mallory? It's Charlie and Mallory, that's it. Cannon, it's Cannon. Is it? How is it Cannon?

I made it the right answer for it, too. Here, this is why it's Cannon, I don't know if I could draw it, but it's gonna look inappropriate. Oh, you're drawing it? Okay, well, this isn't on Twitch, so. Okay. Yes, fantastic.

I mean, it will be later. It will be. We could like blur it out, though. All right, if it's. Let's do this. It's not female presenting nipples, it's fun. Oh. Cannonball?

That's Cannon. Oh, it's Cannon. It's Cannon. Right, yes. I thought it was something else. We're off to an amazing star vote. I will say, if it was what we thought it was, what is that little dangly thing that is the wick?

Like, what would that be? That's the wick. The wick, it's the lit up wick, that's the ball flying. I know it's the backwards. Jesus Christ, Amanda, it's called a fuse. It's the fuse, meant to cannonball. It's not a Yankee candle. To be fair, I never thought I'd get it.

Don't blame Amanda. That's why I don't do this on a daily. The decoration. Well, you leave the art to Zach, right? Yeah, there we go. We leave the art to Zach. I want one season where Zach does no art and the rest of us all.

Oh, God. Oh, God. So do I. So do I. Incredible, incredible. I'm there. I'm not my cannon. And it is.

Let's do this. Really good cannon. I love you very much. Let's maybe let's maybe who would you all vote most likely to ship with Mallory? Merit. That's just valid. That makes the most sense.

I mean, kind of just like ship in general, like let's let's talk a little bit about like who would like what what are all the the office romances? Oh, man, here. That's a sample ship. Where's the sample ship? I don't know. Let me see if it's in here.

It's a lot of records. Honestly, there's part of me that says hide and boomer. I didn't boomer. Scandalous. I don't hate hide and boomer. I think this discussion is largely ridiculous because everybody hates everybody in this show. So like, I don't know.

It's fun. We're a little closer by the end of season two. What am I saying? Actually, I'm lying. It's Merit and Samuel. What the fuck am I saying? Number one. Number one.

Yeah, we already know. Time you out. Also, because no one is healthy, I'm just going to say after warp was kidnapped by hide, it was a little. Terrible. Where are we going? Terrible. Where are we going?

The hair flip sold it. Just a little bit. I don't think we've given this question an appropriate amount of time. I concur. I concur. We're never going to have our. This is a debrief. You've already derailed on debrief on.

At one point there was talk of boomer and tuck and both Amanda and I are like, absolutely. Oh, it's going to happen. No. We are like very and no disrespect, but it was like, no. No. My wife is the most important person in my life. So like, I will let boomer die if it saves my wife in a heartbeat.

I would do the same. Yeah, see, it's mutual. I love you, but like not as much as her. No, yeah. On that note of mutual respect. Yeah. We'll move on to that next, that next question there. Beautiful.

What a way to start. Another great friend of the show, another incredible patron, Trogbren asks the D2R agents are all incredibly nuanced characters with quite a bit of depth to them. How do our lovely players fit themselves into the shoes of their agents? Any pregame rituals, music to listen to, actually practicing the unnatural? This question could go to Serge too,

though I'm afraid what his trusted mind may reveal to us. Actually, Serge, go first. I want to know things. Yeah. You want me to go first? Yeah. I'm very interested to hear this question amongst all of you, because I know in you people, you all have your rituals.

My ritual honestly is just to like actually try and think about what the hell we're going to do during the arc. I really just like stick my nose into that handler's guide. I really try to brush up on the rules. I don't want to, you know, make mistakes on that. It's kind of like most of my job. And I just, you know, for arc two, I said, you know what, to make it good, to make it better than the first arc,

I've got to go outside of myself. And so that's one of the reasons I reached out to Vince was like, I need somebody to bounce ideas off of, and who better than the guy that inspired me to start running the game. So that was the big things. We talked a lot about, you know, what motions I had happening in the background and what players and, you know, I would usually just say, does this sound ridiculous?

Or does this sound like something that would be fun for the players? And he was just such a great resource of telling me, you know, he has a background in the military and the government and stuff. And it's just great to have his knowledge for, you know, I'm just a gaffer in Los Angeles. I don't have the knowledge that sometimes you wish you had when you're running a game like Delta 3. And he was there to help me take it to the next level.

Love you, buddy. Thanks for that. For sure. All right, who's next? Shout somebody out, Serge. All right, as usual, I got to take the reins on this. Let's just go in a circle of what I'm looking at. Merit, Caleb, give us your ritual. So the number one thing I do before getting into Merit is

I try and nail down his speech patterns because he speaks in a vastly different way than I do. And a lot of that comes down to boiling things into bullet points. So what I'll do is like on my way to work that day or, you know, walking around my apartment, whatever it's going to be, I talk to one of my bonds, usually Miranda. And so I have these like interim conversations with that person because the unique thing about Delta Green is they give you

these baked in relationships that are uniquely your characters. It's not going to be played by any other player. It's with Serge, but you have input on who that is. And so you have an awareness of what they're thinking. So in having that conversation, I can sort of set up how Merit is responding, moving back and forth with her. I also will like playing out like before we had that big fucking showdown with Merit is stuck with Marlene for the day.

I would plan out, you know, how is he feeling? What is the strategy? What are some things I want to say to her? What are some things that I want to embody in this game? And then on top of that, I would just put on, I have this playlist that is very Merit. It's a lot of like bad, bad, not good, which is like modern experimental jazz and things that are very him.

Like things I would imagine him sitting down to his desk to study to. And that sort of zones you in and eventually like an hour before that, that takes over trying to get that annoying asshole out in the front instead of back behind doors. Eli, what are you doing? I got to walk the dog. That's the first thing I got to do. So usually when I'm walking the hippo, I'm listening to the last episode

just to kind of or like just trying to like, no, we're not listening to anything. Sorry, ignore me. That's rituals for what we're doing now. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Usually I have a playlist that I'm playing. So I'm just kind of getting into the mood. I built hide around my personal general personality.

So I don't tend to have to like ease myself into something kind of like what Caleb has to do. So it's just more of like being comfortable and relaxed and then getting ready to play. And that's pretty much it. Nothing too fancy. I genuinely think that's one of the reasons these agents are so compelling. You guys really just did the smart thing and said they're a variation of me. You know what I mean? Like not too far off.

Maybe maybe I'm wrong. Tell me if I'm wrong. But I mean, I think good actors are good when they know the roles that they're good at, the parts that they can play. You know what I mean? I think you guys did a great job with creating those characters. Amanda, what's your ritual? Okay, so yeah, Boomer is a little based on me on that one.

Let's not lie there. Oh, wow. We got really quiet all of a sudden. It's Eli. She's just muting herself. Oh, okay. I'm so sorry. It threw me off.

I thought I got disconnected. I think because this was like our first big one and this like when we did Boomer the first time that was like the first time I actually was stepping into a role for a long period of time for like three hours, maybe four hours this season. For sure. So that was a first for me. So I was just, and you guys know, I was very nervous because you guys were heckable. And I am just like that improv comedy writer actor.

So I'm like, I've never done this before. Sorry. I don't know the rules. So I kind of kept it closer to like what my dad would call like, oh, you're a bullshit artist. So that was what he would say for comedies. Like, you're a bullshit artist. I just remembered that phrase.

So, but that's why Boomer is like very fast talking and very kind of just goes with more of a social approach. He kind of tries to talk her way out of shit a lot. And that was probably my favorite thing to do with Charlie. Cause I was like, I don't know what to do. I'm not processing any questions. I just like Boomer is going to die. So if I'm going out, if I make him laugh, he might feel a little bad about killing me.

I'm not joking. That was in my head. So that's like that kind of shoot from the hip gun thing. That's where I just kind of help channel that and just make it a little bit bigger because I would not do that with someone having a gun on me. I would not. No, that's not me or I'm loading on a cop with the model. I just, she'll do that by a thousand, but I'll listen to a lot of Spanish music, DMX,

a lot of 90, like I'll go right into the, all the M&M and all Tupac just to get that energy up because she is very high energy. And some days I'm just tired, but so I have to kind of get there. But I also purposely do look up pancake recipes. I actually do look that up. And the reason is Boomer can be very caricature at times. I know that cause I'm crazy on that. But I find moments of what, like where is she good at and brilliant at and like where

Tuck has her, like Boomer has literally made this family from nothing to something. So it's very precious to her. So I was just like, let's look up pancakes. Like what would she do like this? Because that is very serious to her. So she, I know exactly like what games her and her sister played in, what food they would do, all that stuff because family was so important. So even though I never bring it up, like sometimes I bring it up, but a lot of it I don't.

I was like, Oh, she would make strawberry and banana pancakes or because I also think food is show, it shows like an intimacy that you know somebody. So that's where I try to always like put little tidbits of food and all that cause that tells me you pay attention. So that is like, cause it can also bring my heart to it because it's like, she just always wants to go home. Yeah. You find something human about the character.

Yeah. You heard it here folks. Boomer takes pancakes seriously. I do. Samuel, what, uh, what is your ritual? I keep calling you Samuel because I'm looking at the screen as well as running our thing. It's fine. I don't do anything.

I just don't think about it all day. Show up about 60 seconds before the recording starts and I'm just amazing. Uh, okay. Yeah, I love that. That's Aaron's method and it fucking works. I hate him for it, but it fucking works. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. We are.

Amen. All right. Uh, most of the time up until a certain point in season two, it was just like make yourself really small and to warp everything is, everything is so dangerous and everything could kill you, but everything is evidence. So you have to interact with it to the point where everything just kind of neutralizes. It's all kind of a magic knife at the end of the day, everything. So it's, yeah, it's a lot of paranoia and then like stupid bravery.

And then during the episode where we go to cicada and Mallory calls warp, like, not, it wasn't irrelevant, but it was like, unaffective or something. And that was like, ooh, every, like every prep before the episode was just thinking about hearing that for the first time of being like, ooh, you're not really helpful. You have to suddenly be very helpful and you have this episode to prove a season and a half. So she's like even more anxious than she already is. Also her playlist is I think 50% Regina Spector at this point. So between that and like the several pairs of overalls that I own, it's not far.

It gives an interesting perspective to at the end when you don't want to relinquish the knife. I can imagine now her words ringing in your ear of like, I have to be effective. I have to be useful. I never even thought about that as your handler that might affect you that way. I was just trying to fuck with you. No, you did. No, success. Totally fucked with her.

And then Allegro, what's your story? How do you prepare? Much like everyone else, I have a blisteringly long tuck playlist that I listen to before we play. I usually give myself like half an hour to just listen to it and not think about anything else. I also pull a Caleb and I modelog with different characters that I would generally spend time with. I do it a lot in the car. Like he said, sometimes around my apartment, my partner is always very like, are you talking to me? And I'm like, no, you're fine, babe.

Go back to what you were doing. It's fine. And I have like a necklace that I put one of my rings on every time. So it feels like I have like, you know, prop with just like for me. I make myself a drink that my character would drink either like tea or like a snack or whatever. And so in my notes, at the end of every note page that I write, like if we end on like a shortened page, I'll write myself like, okay, this is what I want to do next session. So that when I look at this page, I can see the things that I want to do.

So like asking myself questions about like what the fuck Mallory is or wanted to check in on like this one. It was like, I want to check on a Merit and Warp. And so just like knowing what I want to accomplish in the session. And also it kind of reminds me of like where my relationships are at with everyone. And if I don't have notes on characters, I kind of take a minute and think about like, okay, where were we last time we played. And just like knowing, knowing where we're starting from to go forward and what direction we want to go. That's an amazing answer. And that actually reminds me I do that a lot too.

Like session zero, I don't do too much. But after that, I'm constantly after every session, just making copious notes of what could and happened and etc. Yeah. And it was, oh man, after you said that, or not you Mallory said that thing to warp about like being useless or whatever. I tried to find a spot every chance I had to check on warp and I never got to. And like the Allegra of me feels so guilty about it, even though the tuck of me knows none of it. Yes. Yes. No, she's fine. She's good. No.

Awesome. Those are some incredible answers. That's really interesting to hear too is as an outside listener of the of the arc, you know, hearing the little things everybody does. So very, very good answers. Another Patreon of ours. Togus has a great question. This one's kind of multipart. So we'll probably break it up into bits. Togus would like to hear more about kind of the behind the scenes process of how our two was made.

Specifically, like when was it recorded and when did you finish recording it? We'll start with that. Oh, man. Eli, do you want to take that? I mean, I don't remember the dates. I think Zakiya may have mentioned before we started recording that it was like May. May 16, 2021 was episode one. Okay. So May 16, you started recording over a year ago. Over a year ago. That's crazy.

Yeah. It feels like a lifetime. We finished in August. Yeah. So it took us like what? Four months? Four months to record. Oh, yeah. Maybe a little bit less. I'm not sure.

But maybe four months. Because we were able to do it pretty much every weekend. Pretty much, yeah. So there was a couple of weekends we had to skip. So, yeah. Last episode was August 15th. August 15th. Okay.

Yeah. But we was always like Sunday nights, right? Pretty much always because it's Sunday. It's a schedule. It's just Sunday nights. Try to keep it cool. Because last time we did arc one, it was in the middle of summer. It was so swelteringly hot. I mean, we went through summer this time too.

Yeah. But that first season, like half of us were recording closets and shit like that. We at least took it a lot easier on ourselves this year. Yeah. And earlier or was it later? No, we went right through summer. It was made of August. It was almost summer.

No, I mean like at night. What did we do? I can't remember. Oh, we did night. Yeah. Yeah, we did that. We like pushed it an hour during season one, I think, because it was just an hour of pure sun. Like 7pm or something like that, right? That was a usual call.

And like the last couple episodes in the time that we'll mention later, we were getting done at like midnight or one. That finale, well, both of them took like four, four and a half hours. And we, I think we had one break in the middle there. I don't know. We just kept pushing it. We hit 6 at 1.2. Yeah.

It felt like we got... Yeah. Yeah. We felt like we got into that zone of like if we break now, the tension leaves. And I remember thinking, God, okay, Sergio's going to end it right here. Sergio's going to end it right here.

That was the whole season though. It should have ended. It's crazy that it didn't. It's good that it didn't. But in the time being, I was like, oh, fuck. Eli, do you want to go into like what we used in terms of the equipment and stuff and how we recorded it and stored it all? Yeah.

I mean, we're all using vastly different equipment. So we all had different setups at home. But regardless of that, we're using a software called Zencaster that puts us all in the same place on the internet. And we do an internet record. And then we all individually record secondaries through our local drives. And that's pretty much it. And then we just back up everything to the cloud to the server that we have.

And then once we do that, we compile it all together, edit it down. I edit it this season. You did all self-piling and mixing. Yeah. So Sergio cut everything down to and condensed it like narratively. Whatever work didn't work or anything that we felt that was taking up too much time and necessarily kind of condensed it a little bit. And then we moved on to doing all the sound effects, all the music,

and anything else we needed to add to it. All of it mixed it and then sent it off for distribution. Yeah. I mean, this is crazy to say, but we did it two seasons in a row. You know, we finish recording, we start editing, but then we start planning to release it. And it's a very short window. So like at best we have two or three episodes edited and done.

So we're kind of building the train as we go. Yeah, we're staggering. Those last couple of episodes. Yes, especially when we didn't have enough like pandemic time anymore and we had to get back into like working and stuff like that. We kind of had to learn how to balance both being at a regular job and trying to also produce an entire show. So that was also season two is learning that arc of how to balance both of that.

Yeah, it was an added challenge. But I think we all agree like the sound design and the quality, the recordings, like everyone's audio recordings were just so much stronger. It was just, I wasn't really proud of our two sound. Yeah, for real. It's become like a major selling point of what we are to is that incredible sound design from from Eli and all the extra work we put into it. I mean, I'm quickly realizing is the longer we go that just many, many people don't put that amount of time into it that we do.

And it really shows this season like incredible amount of shows this season. I'm so proud of season two. I think it's literally some of the best people. I have a lot of family who's not really into, but they loved it. They were like, Oh my God, this is like, I'll talk to you baby. I'm like, Oh yeah, you said it like that, but, but it's so immersive. That's tremendous. It felt that way while we played it.

I mean, I've never been in a campaign where at the end of each one, I'm like hot diggity dog. That was a good one. I can't wait to let next session. Yeah. Yeah. You realize we never actually recorded once in person. Yeah. An episode. We've never played together in person.

I don't think like we've never physically rolled dice in the same way. The most we had was like a long time ago. We had individual auditions with like two other members of us. Count. Shuffle. Yeah. I think I only played with Zach. No, me and one.

No, it was you. It was you. I played with Zach and I played with Zach and I played with search in my. Is that, is that possibly in the cards as an in person session with everybody in the same room? You know, we just got to, we just got to get the resources together. Yeah. Yeah. Someday.

That's what the Patreon's for. That's what, you know, that's what the Twitch is for, you know, the subscribing there, you know, the, the, the more that we can grow, the more that we can do. And yeah, imagine if we were all in the same room together, how much better it would be. I'll cry a lot more. You know, selling point for, for our page. Right. It was like, look, if you want us to get to that next, as good as it is right now, if you want us to get to that next level, you know, we need resources to make it happen. Because even though we all live in the same geographic area, you know, you can't, you know, it's recording in the, in the same room just, just takes more resources than what we have.

Absolutely. That's different. The good thing about that too is like, I think 98% of everything we get in through Patreon, we keep in a, you know, a lot case for the event that we actually get to what we're trying to do here. So, and the rest goes to making the podcast better. We're not, we're not taking any of that for. No, none of that money goes into our pockets. It's paying subscriptions and things like that to services we use for the show. Exactly.

That's why a little less stress. Anything to do that I'm all for. More patrons we have, eventually we can pay Eli so that she can quit her job and then we can make more of this shit. So every thousand dollars is an hour that Eli gets to sleep. I want Eli to get a full night's sleep. Eli barely sleeps to begin with. So I'm not so sure about that. This is turning into like a charity pledge.

I know, I know. You two can help Eli get some sleep. Vince, why don't you show us the celebrity phones and where we can go? Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, Caleb. Don't make $10 more. You got a free tote bag. That's not true. That's not real yet, but maybe one day.

Hold on. Merch idea. Mayday charity tote bag. Search did come up with those super cute designs the other day. Like an imaginary charity. We've got lots of good merch ideas. We just have to, you know, feel like we've got an audience to purchase them. We've shown a lot of patrons and stuff, some of our ideas.

We got to pull the trigger at some point. Still wait on that perennial airlines. I want the perennial airlines shirts. I want it right there. I want it every day. The more resources we have, the more merch we can make because like, I mean, you're all paying for the merch, of course, but it still takes a lot of money from us on the front end to make that happen.

Totally. So we need some, we need a bit of a war chest to make that kind of stuff happen. Yeah. It's coming. To quote the great Mona Lisa Saperstein, money, please. Never done anything on your life. And I love you. Money.

That segment. Yeah. Beautiful. That was great. Daniel G. Great patron, great friend of the show. How much do you guys plan the dramatic interplay between characters? Is there an offscreen session zero where you go? Where you go?

We kind of need one more of this and that. Is it a bilateral between players and Sergio and he does a juggling or is it more or less? Everyone brings their character to the table and you see where you go from there. Scatter. None of it. Can I add in here? Like a little agenda. Unless it's something that is like, Hey, we need time.

Like, I think because of the, the, the flashback sequences, those cases that he's like, Hey, we don't want to go for six episodes. Let's like just, I don't care how, but like, let's try to aim for some kind of end point. We'll talk about reigning it in, but we never talk about adding more. Yeah. Yeah. We'll always do that until we're blue. The only, the only sort of discussion we have on dramatic moments is going, Hey guys,

there's still like a big Cthulhu case to solve outside of the dramatic moment. Yeah. Like that is the only talk we've had is like, Hey, so much of last episode was us fighting with each other or coming to these conclusions. We also have to remember that there's something we have to solve by the end of the case. A lot of it's Sergio saying, please do your fucking jobs. Please. Please.

I wouldn't phrase it that way. No. Yeah. We do communicate. We just, we have our own ways of communicating. Like, yeah, like you guys say, like sometimes we'll say before a session, okay guys, you know, there are still these goals to accomplish. And I think that's even something DMs should do regularly just to remind players because

you know, sometimes you won't play with folks for weeks at a time and folks just forget like what the hell is happening in the story. We had the luxury of every weekend we were doing it, but there were definitely communications. We communicated very little about what the agents would be like. You guys pretty much just made up these characters without any intervention from me. Yeah. I want to say the only thing that there was was I think we had the understanding that we needed researchers and security.

Like we needed that, that two sides. Yeah. And it just naturally formed where three of you decided to be a research and three of you decided to take more of the security approach. Yeah. But we got lucky in that sense. I think we talked more these days when we work on stuff. D2R was so much just like instinct and this is just what we are.

And it just worked. Right. In terms of talking about like dramatic moments too, like we never tell each other or at least for the most part, don't tell each other we're going to confront someone about it. Like there's an episode in season two where Tuck tells their wife exactly what's going on, right? And then me and Tuck have a moment later on where I'm basically saying what the fuck are you doing, right?

It's not like Allegra comes up to me before that session and says, hey, I'm going to do this. I would love it if we could have a scene like this right after. It is all reactive of what we're doing in the space. And we never want to fabricate those moments because like it's so obvious when you do, when you script through that. And half the fun is that we are in a group where those moments come so naturally that we actually have to fight it sometimes.

So none of that is communicated if that's part of the question as well. Like all of this just sort of comes out on the field. I may think it, but I never communicate it to them that I'm going to pull some merit bullshit, you know, just happens in the moment. I know there have been a couple times personally that I've talked to Serge and like, hey, in the next two to three episodes, I'd like a space to talk to X person about why thing. The one I specifically think of is the second to last episode where I talked to where hide and tuck talk in the hallway because I'd been, I'd been wanting to talk to hide

also for episodes and episodes and episodes. And because everything that was happening was happening, I didn't get a chance to. But like we were getting close to the end of the season and I was like, hey, I really want to have this conversation before it's over. And so Serge was like, yeah, we'll, we'll make it happen. And it did. And that was really great. And I think that's something that's really important for people in game to have to be

able to like go to their GM and be like, I'd really like to have this moment. I'd really like to explore X relationship. I'd really like to look into this and like making sure they know what you want. And you knowing like how they can help facilitate that. Or like maybe they don't want you to do that at this moment. But like, okay, that's a cool idea. But we like, we can't focus on that right now. We want to go to something else.

And like, that's something I really love. Sorry. I'm going to go off for a minute, but like that's something I just really love about all of us as a group is that we can go to each other and be like, hey, I have this thought or hey, I have this idea or hey, I have this thing I want to do. And everyone is so game for it every time, even if it's not going to happen immediately. It's like, okay, yes, for sure. Maybe not right now, but we can do that absolutely at some point.

And I, I just love you guys. That's my favorite. I think that's part of the appeal of our show too is like, I would never cut out your reactions to things, the ooze, the Oz, the Oh knows the we're fucks. Like that is part of the fun of the recording. So it has to remain fresh. It has to remain somewhat improvised, but there is a lot of talk. I talk with you guys individually before each arc.

There's a lot of talking, but we do it responsibly. We don't, we don't spoil things for each other. Right. At the end of the day, right? This is still very much a game that is being played for enjoyment and mutual, you know, the mutual experience. So to kind of communicate those things in advance for the performative element kind of contradicts the, the gameplay element. The surprise is a player of, of encountering these things freshly, you know, as they happen verse pre-plating it. And, you know, speaking of surprises, actually, it might be worth talking about for a moment, you know, Vince and his participation in arc two was

surprise, you know, that I was sitting on that for weeks. I asked him, you know, and I didn't want to spoil it. I could have easily said in the discord. Oh, you know, it's not, it wasn't until the day of that he showed up and we're like, oh, he's just listening, you know, as we record. And then he, you know, he played Charlie. So that was a fun surprise that, you know, I would never have wanted to waste the surprise telling you guys. God, yeah. It was such a good one too.

We, we had just sort of done that, that series of like, like our little side plot of observer effect with Vince. And it was our first real interaction with him. We love, we love that campaign so much, that whole run through. And then as soon as I see him pop up in the fucking column, like, oh, God, no. Suddenly Vince. Exactly. The name was born that day. The name was born.

Oh, man. We didn't even know it existed. And it only did. Yeah. And like, that's right. Like our reactions to him coming in because I almost. It was like early. It was like pre like 20 minutes before you screamed on the top of your lungs, Amanda.

Yeah. You're like, I fucked up. That's right. That's what you said. I was talking like multiple times. Yeah. We have it on Patreon. We have like these, yeah, these audio clips.

You said during the show. You said during the show when you triggered it. Yeah. It was a scream. A primal scream. Yeah. I think a surgeon literally just said, Vince, why don't you go ahead and take over. And immediately Amanda's like, I fucked up.

I. Those reactions gave me. No, we're not most sitting with that. That is pure reaction. No. When I tell you the second that should happen, the, the no DM discord had like 15 fucking messages in it. We were popping off in there.

We have a separate like message that's like anytime we run a game. It's like this, this game, but no DM. So it's like, yeah. So it's like, we have one without surgery. We have one without Caleb. We have one without Vince. And I think my phone didn't stop vibrating for a solid three minutes. All time.

Vince talk about it. Like, you know, talk a little bit about why I asked you to come in and kind of like, I don't know. I don't know. I just, I liked that I was able to in this arc, like really expand the, the lore that the players knew about Delta green. Yes. And then have you involved in an aspect that takes it even further down the rabbit hole,

like who your character was. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, first and foremost, thanks for giving me the opportunity to do that. One of the great privileges of my life to be able to help out with that kind of make that appearance. But yeah, working, working with, with usurge and kind of mapping out the, the progress of this arc, it became clear that, that the, you know, the so-called schism in Delta green lore between the program and the outlaws was starting to, you know, there was starting

to be more and more smoke. And at a certain point, you know, whether or not there's going to be fire remains to be seen. But, you know, these little, you know, breadcrumbs were being left here and they're indicating that some bigger things may be a foot than what you all were typically exposed to. And so, you know, we were talking about what the best way to possibly introduce that was and, you know, with the, with the introduction of Mr. Pleasant and kind of the pieces of information they are feeding out.

It just made sense to introduce this kind of canonical character who was, who was very big in the Delta green lore and provide an opportunity, provide a door, a window for you all to potentially exploit, potentially visit again or see again in the future to just start dropping like even bigger hints that what you think you know is not even a fraction of what is actually at, right? And that was the big thing is to, to, because a big kind of cornerstone pillar of Delta green is paranoia, right? And so to, obviously, and so to kind of play that up even more, it's like, how would, how

would they react if we presented them with the fact that who you think you're working for, there are people out there who do not think that's Delta green. And just off to the races. So absolutely great. Did I miss anything with that? Yeah, I just kind of wanted to get your perspective on it. Yeah, I love it. I think as far as the pieces of lore go, that is one of my favorites is this cold war between

these two factions of the same organization. They're different approaches to containing the unnatural and that there are no good guys, right? That's, I love that. There's this, there's this different approaches and what you're willing to live with. Yeah. And maybe the listeners, you know, folks that run Delta green stuff know this. I'm not sure if the players know this, but like, you know, Delta green often when you

run a game as a handler, you have to decide, okay, are they the outlaws, you know, Charlie or are they the program and, and, you know, you kind of change the way the game is played. It's a little tougher for the outlaws. They're, they're not, they're not the folks with all the funding, the way the program is. So you guys are, you know, you're, you're, you're lucky in terms of your, your budget and stuff. Oh, right.

Yeah. We're lucky. So you've got, yeah, you've got the program. Yeah, you've got access to government resources and you've got access to, to, you know, you can operate pretty much out in the open, but then the outlaws are criminals. I mean, they're, they're essentially criminals operating under the radar. Don't worry. Using old, old school tradecraft, you know, try to keep from being caught.

Cause not only are they trying to evade the fucking program, they're trying to evade law enforcement. We're trying to evade all the other attention that comes with it. So you talk about operating in the black, that, that's the outlaws and who knows, maybe you'll have an opportunity to, you know, I don't know, we'll see. Let me just say that the program is not going to help you with the fucking police either. Okay. That's for sure.

As per the plan. Damn it. Yeah. Maybe earned it. I'm just going to. You watch your tongue, Charlie. Our talkers were inside. It doesn't mean we should die.

Go to jail. Fair point. Um, one of my favorite things about like having Vince with us and that whole interaction too was like going back to the discord after that episode released and to have everyone be like, Oh shit, they met Charlie. Oh shit. They're talking to Charlie. Oh shit.

They're blah, blah, blah. I've only ever been a player, but I haven't interacted with the cannon in that way. So immediately I was like, Oh, we fucked up. Who is this dude? I knew, I knew it was big cheese. I, or, or like when Oaks came out, the same thing was one of the greatest moments of like, Oh shit, you guys are talking to Oaks, you idiots. My who the fuck is that?

What? Yeah. So it was great to have that moment. Yeah. Happens so often. Yeah. And I love that. I love, I love that, that nobody is kind of, everybody's still kind of fresh and new to

the cannon and the lore behind Delta green. So that way, like you're, you're not feigning these reactions. These, these are in real time, the real deal because nobody has that preexisting knowledge, which is the greatest gift a Delta green handler can ask for is that right there? You should be really proud to Vince. Now everyone who plays Delta green and listens to Mayday will think of you every time Charlie comes into a scene. You're just Charlie now.

Oh man. I appreciate that. Oh, I love you guys. That means a lot. That's amazing. I'm blushing. All right. Great, great discussion there.

And I, and I enjoy this question. I like, you know, we get some technical questions intermixed here too. This is great. Oink is back with another great one. Who makes a lot of the sound folly? I figure it's a group effort, but is it coordinated and is there a head for it? Who wants to take this one? I mean, obviously Eli.

Oh, did I say folly folly? It's okay. It's not folly. I don't know folly is spelled that way, but it's fine. There's an E in folly, I think. Yeah. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

I just didn't understand. I mean, most of the sound effects are mine, I guess. I mean, I do have like, like has recorded sound effects for me. I do have people do like walla and background stuff. We've done that before. I mean, for other campaigns as well for a show that we've done that, we've done it for this one as well. Like the Ashoka one again.

Oh my God. Ashoka one was bad. Hot trash. So bad. It's so good. Was it good? Yes. It was great.

It was great. I liked it. We were fucking belligerently drunk for the Ashoka one. Oh my God. Get sick. Don't do that. We were drunk off our asses on a call and say, do something. It was like pure yelling, like sustaining everyone yelling at once.

As soon as Eli asked us to do like sea shanties, I knew this shit was out the window. I knew it wasn't coming back. It's too much. It's too much. Everyone, please. That's why I gave mine separately from you. We'll split it on the left drunk nights.

Oh yeah. But, but even for, for Jim's repeat, I mean, for a lot of like the, for the historical scenario, like all of the background, the level of re-recording that I did for background stuff, just to kind of fill the space. Cause we kind of go in with like a more narrative approach where everybody was kind of talking over the events that were actually happening, just to kind of balance out how much combat and how much little art we had,

because we're trying to push through that section a lot. But yeah, I mean, everybody gets an output, an input and stuff like that. I show everybody what I'm viewing and everybody gets to say if they like it or not. But I think like overall, everybody here kind of gives me the luxury of just kind of doing what I want to do and how I like, how I think it should sound and how I think it should feel.

And so far, everybody's been happy with it, which is always my goal is, as long as everybody here is happy with it. I, you know, I do appreciate the audience enjoying it, you know, but it's our product and it's, it's our thing that we've done. So as long as the team is happy, I'm happy. Love that. It's good. Good one.

Moving on. Trogbren asks, how has your perception of your agents changed over Arc 2? Is there something that surprised you during play where you went, wow, I wasn't expecting my agent to do that? Good question. I'm interested to hear this question. Yeah. Isn't that always for you, Erin, just in case?

I have, I have one that immediately comes to mind. I remember, I remember two, two scenarios when I thought to myself, what the fuck am I doing? Just two. The first one was when I, um, I saw that guy, you know, it was just at the scene after I had like gone to see Sam L's daughter. And there was the private eye that was watching me. And I thought about confronting him.

And then for some reason that I still don't fully understand, I thought better of it. And I drove away and I called the security team and told them what was going on. Now that is not what I should have done. We were, we were so proud of you. We were so excited. We were like high-fiving virtually. And I truly one of my favorite moments.

Talking about character growth for a moment. Yeah. Well, one is nice. The second time along a similar vein was when I found that package outside of my apartment right before we went back to Lansing. And for some reason, the first thing I said was I'm going to call merit. And then immediately I thought to myself, why the fuck am I doing that? I should just open it.

And if it's a bomb, I'm dead. Your instinct for change is what's important here. I love you. Arc one said that would never have done that. I was like legitimately touched both Caleb and merit to receive that phone call. Confused, but absolutely touched. I'll jump in next because I have, I've thought about this a lot actually. I, how do I say this?

When I started playing as tuck in the like, like way back in the like two shot, two or three shot we did when we, before we were even playing D2R, it was just the first game of Delta Room we ever played. I wanted to make like a captain America E doing what's right because she thinks it's what's right. And she's doing like she's putting in the good work and doing what she's trying to do. And because she has all these past experiences, she's going to do what

other people can't to keep them safe. And I realized slowly, especially over arc two, that talk is incredibly selfish, incredibly selfish. And a lot of her reasons for doing things are, I don't want this part. Like it's not, I don't want them to get hurt for them. It's, I don't want them to get hurt because then it's my fault again and it's piling onto my guilt. A lot of it was, I want to keep going because I want to know what happened to

my sister and I don't care what happens. And it was like, what is it called empathy fatigue because I think or not empathy fatigue, maybe, maybe we're going to call it that for right now. But for like a lot of tucks past life, they spent a lot of time like being the good kid, trying to make life easy on their dad because so much shit had happened in their life beforehand that they were like, I can't put my dad through anymore. So I have to keep going and keep doing the right thing and keep doing what is

best for him. And then slowly starting to do what she wanted and try and get what she wanted. And like, even, even with her wife, there are a lot of moments where like, like when I told her about everything, it was because I didn't want to keep lying to her. It wasn't because I wanted her to know or because of any like altruistic reason. It was because I wanted her to know.

So I didn't have to keep lying and I didn't have to feel bad about it. So it's, it's like a lot of tuck recently, not recently, recently, but like near the end was like, okay, how do I, how do I reconcile these two people? Like who and tuck genuinely does want to do good, but a lot of the way she does it is selfish and isn't always like for an altruistic reason that she pretends it is. So that's, that's really fun for me because I tend to play martyree characters and playing a martyree character that selfish is very, very fun and very like

complex and thinky. And I like it a lot. It's interesting. It puts a spin on a tuck that I don't think many listeners really take in. I think folks are very fine tucked to be very empathetic and trying to hold the group together. So you're, you give an interesting, interesting perspective when you say that, you know, she might.

That's cause leg is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Leg is a very charming person in that way. Yeah. Well, I don't think she like knows that she's being selfish about it. I think, like, I think, I think the only way she would know is if she was like self-aware enough to do that.

And I think she is a modicum of self-aware, but not self-aware enough of like an outside inside perspective that me as a player has on her. So that's really nice. And like, I had another thought about it and it's gone now. It's okay. If anybody else has any other surprises they thought of. It's okay if you don't. Go for an Amanda.

I don't know. I want to hear what you have to say. Go. I was really surprised I nixed Mallory. There were a lot of things that I knew about Merritt going into everything he experienced in season two, but that moment following everything that went down in Lansing and having that sort of final debrief with Mallory, I did not know how that scene was going to go whatsoever.

Because a big part of me wanted to keep her. We had just had her through all of Marlene and she had done right by us even when we had really fucked up and she was absolutely not a good person, but she's also very human and she'd been through things that Merritt really identified with. I wanted to know things as a player of what's under the wig and who is this woman and how do you get to be this way? She'd been through what we'd been through. She was on a team and it went wrong and then she lost somebody she loved and now that person

they loved is well fucking in the shape shifting into a million other people. So going into that, I thought that I would spin it as I'm upset with you, but I'm going to continue our arrangement because that's the only way we keep things alive, that we keep things moving. But like I was just, I got to thinking so much in the middle of that conversation how much Merritt had changed from chapter one of season two and to this point how much he was getting lost on principles he thought were right and it just didn't make any more sense for where we're going, for where he's going, for who he is to put up with any more

of it. In the name of like he thought that the deal was he gets saved and he hasn't been saved yet. So like it came out nowhere for me, but it felt really right in the moment. I think that was the only one that was like, oh shit, I just fuck what did I do? Hopefully that turns out okay. I think it's worth mentioning real quick too like you know your Merritt is a great character because you have really thought about his arc.

Arc one he was a great kind of antagonist within the group and in arc two you and I working together did a great job of I think redeeming him. I think he goes through a lot of stuff and comes out the other end still you know doing his best for the people he cares about but also kind of like growing a backbone. Right. I think that was you know I really loved kind of watching what you did with that character and how you allowed me to do the things I did to that character too you know. Yeah.

I think it was worth it. I think you know he's a fan favorite for sure. I think so too. Thank you. Boy. Thank you. Yeah there's that side chat was going. Even that was going on.

We're not happy with you Surge. No. It's okay I can live with that. Amanda you go. Yeah you got one Amanda. I think for me what was surprising was I feel like season one boomer is like I know it might be very miniscule or minor it's how they are accepting their fate in a way and it's the anger that I don't think that extra the first season it's like I'm getting out

like we can get it's the one and done easy but with Marlene it's scary now it's like wait this is a comeback and not only that you're in my home and it's it's not going to end and I think that's where it's like that's fear of like oh god no this is going to end and then it's like that depression so that's where it just kept getting angry and very kind of like what you said selfish she for a while was like I don't give a fuck about anybody but I want if you're with me on this we're going to live but if not then eat out but it's like it's very interesting word like I know what I would like to do certain things before but it's like ooh okay then it's boomer is going to definitely go through a different

kind of queer change if we proceed further but I can't remember I don't remember like honestly Charles the only thing that I was just like you said I fucked up at the way the character has evolved then I had like to act with this guy you know that's Zach you go yeah I think I think I feel like warp has a pretty predictable end and she's still very much on track for that end but yes but I think that now she's starting to consider like oh yes oh yes you mean death oh yes but like there's a point where in the hospital after she like yo-yo's the knife oh where like she fails a sand test and so do you say it like warp realizes that magic is real basically at this moment and then she

can use it and that's always been something she's known about hyper geometry and like how weird it is and that it would be important for her to accomplish her goals but that was something that she was like she was trying to read her way out and now she's trying to do other things but also she's kind of picking who she wants to go with her because she hasn't gotten to like the selfishness that we're talking about she doesn't understand it like she's she's made all of these friends that at some point like we can't stay perennial and she she can't accomplish her goals unless everyone agrees like the likelihood of perennial existing in her perfect world is small. I'm glad that you had the same feeling about that moment

where you know you said to me I want to think about it coming back into my hand and I there was nowhere on the stats of that night that it did that but I said it wouldn't be the unnatural if anything weren't possible with it and and just and you rolled well and it and it was a moment that needed to happen and you know I'm glad that it affected you too because I also was like I was kind of realizing it myself like yeah why would there be any limit to what these things can do it's just down to our own creativity and and you know there's a price to pay but yeah. Yeah this is a new kind of research. It's one of my favorite arcs that we did in season two and it goes across season one too of the work being

weaponized like even from that backstory of being a part of you know everything that happens with a place like Gal worthy farms and things like that being indoctrinated into uselessness and then you're you gain autonomy and then you're told by the people you work for that you're useless and that you're reminded by everyone else that you're a book reader and everything and and like even the little things you added of like she's going to take self-defense classes she's going to go to the hardware store and go straight to the knives like the the story of I am I am weak but I want to be strong I'm small but I want to be big it is so human in a game that is so not it fucking like breaks my heart and one of the worst conversations

we had to have was the put the knife down like that whole moment killed me because Caleb knew everything that meant for warp to finally be seen as someone who could do something there's no fucking way we let her keep the devil knife yeah that was a moment where it was like I think as as the months go by between campaigns that idea shifts but in that moment it was okay if I'm going to do this this big thing it has to be a place where my friends can't see it because if they can they're going to make me put the knife down yeah which is yeah all of you that's the right thing to do but you know how can you say no to so much power yeah yeah I was super bumped I didn't get to be a part of that conversation but

sitting and like watching it I was like oh my god like I love like I'm I'm sort of glad I didn't get to be in that because I loved watching everyone do it was so good I was just like oh no I had a lot of feelings when I love you guys I'm going to say that a lot now we do watch each other a lot we're just like yeah yeah that was a comment in our in our patron of like oh you know sometimes it's tough to have a lot of people playing but it's a pleasure like I'm totally cool just sitting here watching everybody do their thing because it's entertainment for for me and obviously we come all to play right it's it's so much fun even when you're not playing or doing something when I didn't speak off of everybody

true what are my favorite apps I don't even speak in it I was just watching great I get the privilege of seeing you guys a lot do it and that's where it's like I had hell yeah I'll do that yeah it is the best feeling to be in it and reacting to each other like sometimes you people will say shit I never in a million years would have thought of as a human being yes and for me to get that ball back and go what the fuck am I going to do with this it's just it's one of my favorite things I've ever done in my life yeah yeah what did you have for us Eli I mean I had to grab it the mental health decline was probably the biggest one certainly to start the arc like thinking about that no we did we did pretty

broken yet oh yeah you're right I didn't say I didn't start plural yeah right after historical right after as soon as it ended but I didn't think I was going to when I thought it was like that much sanity until I looked and I counted all the numbers and then I broke it and then that became my my whole arc I was dealing with that you can I just like say you handled that so well and so specifically it every time I listen to any of those episodes I'm like oh fuck what it's the goal is to go as long as possible before we reveal that shit Caleb had kind of figured it out at the beginning and had been like posting stuff where we were like playing videos on rule 20 and stuff like that just kept I had like a I don't know what

I was always right next to Eli on the video screen on roll 20 so Eli had hide and then I had an arrow pointing to their camera with jackal yes also in episode one warp axe hide was your nickname from the book or the right yeah of course I didn't know god but it's been a thing since episode one shadowing yeah what a great choice of character name you know agent hide I was just so pleased with how well Eli handled the villainous aspect of you know being a different person at least in the sense that we didn't know what their motives were or still are but you know I asked everybody at the beginning of doom to repeat look at some point you might become the villain please accept the things that make your character scary and then when we you know when hot when

Eli said to me they wanted to go with this idea of a split personality multiple personality they just ran with it and they did such a good job all of that stuff of them taking Zach and and all of that was that was all you like and I wasn't prepared for that I think I told Zach afterwards that I was like I kind of like blacked out the whole episode I fucking I was like panicking I think when I pulled the gun on on Amanda I was like oh no I didn't want to do that necessarily and these things were right I think you ran with it and work yeah and I just fucking calling Marlene yeah I think that's the closest I've ever got to killing one of you was that car moment I was I think everybody was mad enough to dislike I think I was just sad that we didn't know earlier

I was just like fuck and like that's just such a good like weird life lesson of like check on your strong friends because they're also having a terrible fucking time and even if they're not loud about it like dramas of us are like well like the great narrative set up to is that half of us were states away so we got a second hand message through two researchers who already didn't like security yeah and we were like oh well fuck we're fighting again god damn it starbucks all over until we saw it we were like oh no this is nothing and then we saw you like oh it's a wild thing to happen while there's a body snatcher situation already happening in the background yeah because the moment like warp comes out of the airport and gets the call from merit sink don't go in the car

you are not thinking this person has DID like that's not the first we're thinking about the naked body running around I love that though because you're like isn't Marlene and then I walk up that fucking airport scene of you guys walking away oh worked out perfectly with like you know merit power walking trying to catch up to them with his still broken leg my stupid leg sometimes you just need a nice casual kidnapping it did kind of bring us together sure this I had a lot more planned in the investigation there was a lot more evidence and what is Marlene doing what all that went out the window because we just had to focus on this this more insular issue hello Sergio we're going to ruin your plans once again driving the opposite direction the plight of the game master

yeah that was no that was some great discussion folks that was awesome keep on trucking along we've got a great question from onkir specifically for Aaron I feel like I remember there being mention of Aaron doing the intro song how exactly did the song get made exclusively software some instrumental editions etc the short answer that question is poorly it is great show your fucking mouth but no um it's um I made it um I mean I don't know I mean the way anyone makes this song I use um FL studio they were all uh you know I did kind of this sampled orchestral slash electronic sound um I don't know I don't know how I make music sometimes it just happens Aaron why would you choose for it to be like 10 minutes long you know the initial oh because I was because I didn't know what I

was doing and I was insane I thought you were just like you know choose from within this song that was also part of it that was also part of it most of it most most of it was me just getting carried away but it was also we have options yeah I mean what can we also talk about the fact that you made themes for all of us this yeah yeah so I don't think they really got used I use them in places yeah tuck you let's use them a couple places I threw it in the background and in they were fucking great especially during like home scenes especially yeah we use them around home scenes it's very good that actually might make the patron thing that's what I was gonna say yeah yes you heard it here folks just coming out on Patreon yeah Aaron I think yeah they're yeah I guess I can just upload them

the reason I haven't put them anywhere is because I'm like they could sound a little bit better well they don't know anything about the patreon yeah you're killing it you're killing it man yeah some good stuff I as soon as I heard that theme song I was like this is fucking it man he I mean we were all just so in the zone in those first weeks of starting doing to repeat and yeah as soon as I heard that I was like that is a banger let's do it let's go with it yeah really good it's iconic now people look oh good I'm sorry I was gonna say and it fits well with like how we do our recaps and stuff like that because we get really dramatic during the week that was and then we just drop into the intro and it's just super good whatever that theme kicks in people know exactly what they're in for

yeah I think I went I remember I can't remember who it was or when it was or why it was but someone like made a like a meme about like doom to repeat organically without any intervention from us and it had like the tune in it I was like yeah that's kind of neat it was it was the Thor meme of Thor yeah but it was warp grabbing the night night somebody on Twitter made that beautiful love that um a double DM from Twitter a good friend of the show asks what does the cast feel over this arc which two characters bond has strengthened the most and which bond has weakened the most interesting that's a hard one I don't know married and talk married and talk back one up or down we did oh the tightest bond ever yeah yeah yeah hold me straight oh for sure yeah I mean we kind of split

into like surgery Sergio split us into those groups uh and they've kind of they've kind of started to to get stronger tuck uh merit and war I mean strong I guess I'm just mostly the thing you want to say on my Ellen boomer I think the relationship that suffered the most was all of us and hide yeah yeah unfortunately which is a little tough when you stab your friends when when Eli or when hide is talking to tuck and she's like I ain't got nobody on my corner I don't have anybody in my corner that was like fuck killed me yeah yeah but that's what happens when you stab people well after you kidnap somebody I mean again speaks is not right yeah right that's one thing that we probably need to consolidate in season three of like can we truly blame warp for what's going to happen

or I'm sorry can we truly blame hide for what's going to happen to all of us if we keep this profession like eventually we all go insane if you stick around it long enough like yeah but some of us are getting pretty down there in the whole sanity department I came pretty close this time yeah I still don't think I've broken yet somehow we have to talk about that doesn't make any sense that's right yeah I gotta check the math here because getting shot in the chest is a good reason to know you had me roll sanity and I passed the sanity so you only had me lose a small amount of sanity and then it and then we talked about me getting a disorder from getting shot in the chest and you said no I was like rad sounds good I won't lose any sanity I think it might be me and tuck are the only ones that haven't

like had a full break yet I don't want to see what Mary's gonna do when you I'm so sorry like I sometimes I'll be sitting here thinking like wow Mary's pretty fucking scary man and then I'll remember like the session negative one we had with Sergio like the one-on-one talks yeah and I'm sure you guys got all the same question of Sergio was like well how do you see yourself breaking if you do break how does a person like merit breakdown and I'm so scared for if that shit ever actually comes out yeah that keep that to yourself I would say the same with you boomer has not had a mental breakdown yeah all boomers with us too yeah that's close with the claustrophobia claustrophobia that's true you know that's how they have from like oh gee but like when's the last time boomer

actually fully engaged with a scenario that they have stayed in the periphery a lot smart enough to hop down yeah I'm sorry if boomer follows the laws of basic harmony no you're the wisest of us all but yeah absolutely that's from yeah yeah it's called common sense everybody don't open the fucking door because we didn't open the tank we opened that tank and a lot of shit went down but story yes I love that that it was a season one incident that literally came back was and we still like constantly blame each other like it is something that's so solidified who all of us are like as a party of real people yeah I think awesome boomer and Sam I got closer a lot this season too between between stealing his fob and then the talk that you guys had in the car and then the finale

I love that confession scene in the stand yeah at least I remember the confession finale though finale who knows it's weird oh sorry no no we could talk about that when we get to the ending thing yeah I was like really empathetic as a character yeah why is that weird I don't know because nobody because you're not the person that people expect to go to because you're shenanigans I mean you're technically the priest but like I was gonna say weren't you you were like making roles to aid like people losing sanity but you were there well was when you're going up against the Preda holy shit oh my god that 2% or whatever that was that was wild that was a great episode and you know so often Sam I L gets flack for doing the crazy things but you know he really won me over

in that episode I think it was 15 where he's like I'm doing this to help people like you know I don't care about my life I want to help people and there's something admirable about that as wild as it is yeah there is so much allure like one of my favorite things about Sam I L is that he talks a big game he acts a big game there's a big mask in front of him but underneath it's not that he's incompetent it's the opposite he's extremely good at what he does he's an exceptional priest outside of the purview of us and he knows exactly what he's talking about when we get to the evidence and he saved us like four different times with flash magic like yeah you can fault him for his decisions but you can't fault him for his efficiency yeah for sure I think Sam I L is like the empathetic and kind and brave the tuck thinks she is but she isn't interesting oh that would be a fun conversation

I think that's interesting because it is kind of the toneverse because Sam I L doesn't see himself that way at all yeah it's good I like that next up on asks we know if a player is retired after a mission will probably see the next character during the next gathering up is there a plan in place Sergio just in case someone dies during a mission like during the historical cases and fun character reflection question how are all the PCs feeling after everything went to shit but got resolved we're kind of we're out of Lansing and we're in a different state so let's start with that first one yeah is there a plan really I mean I do warn the players like you know I think for cicada and for something else I warned them like get them

like I have a character in place yes where we began with you fighting Marlene in the apartment just have one in case because I can't pull my punches and but fortunately you guys survived that one barely yeah the question also kind of also implies like characters like Tuck I think Tuck is definitely in the next arc they're not they're not done yet they're not out yet well they got the magic lunge out right yeah yeah my cons still in the shit but maybe the jail keeps working I don't know I'll go kill more kids I got oh yeah are we going to talk about that whole thing no we should I do want to say that in the vein of this question I did have a conversation with Sergio that I will not disclose any information about

but we did have like a pretty long conversation in the discord of like hey if you were to play someone else who would you play like we had one on backup for Merritt when that whole Marlene situation started yeah and I think that's the closest I've ever gotten like extensive to like oh shit I may have to accept that I'm playing someone new and we had even done like baseline of who he was and how he would come into the game but thankfully none of that came true so a lot of close calls does everyone have a character on standby no absolutely not no a vague idea of one but it's stupid

nope to be fair I did design the campaign in a way that this was a little bit of a surprise to have perennial so much in the front line I sold it as you're doing research it should be relatively safe the idea is that these main characters would last a little longer but I want to turn the heat up a little bit in second art and see how they would fare and I think that also comes from us like spending so much time on the historical scenario first season and like building these characters that are like big and fleshed out and not having a whole lot of time with our long lasting characters and then you telling us this time like we're doing historical in two and then everything else is perennial so I think that was something that we had to like I know for me myself personally I super dialed back on all of my prep for my historical characters because I was like I don't want to get attached to them because if they die oh well because when it was like Rose and Oliver I was like they can't die

and this time I was like they can die I don't care so it makes it good though you don't want them to die so when they do it's like a whole thing and I think that's something I'm going to change next season too is like I want to try and find the happy medium because I was so hyper afraid of them dying season one and didn't give a shit this time so I want to find like the halfway point I do like what we did with that historical scenario this season because I felt like so much of who these people were came out on the mission itself and we got so many cool little like it wasn't exactly like our historical from season one where we had a lot of great character moments we got to know who these people are right before they you know go up against the crack crystal and this one it was we don't know them as much but there's so much feeling behind the actions that they're taking like I love love love the imagery that Sergio gave us

of the two of us flailed past the explosion off the top deck and then we land square onto our backs and we have a few seconds before we fucking bleed out and die where we're transfixed into another time and space like that imagery to me like gives me chills right now just thinking about it of like we were able to put together like a really cool little scenario of people who were ready to do the hardest thing imaginable for no other reason than then there was no one else like so cool it was just a different kind of movie right like we made you know the Detroit movie which was a little bit more of a character piece in the first arc and this one we made predator we made something that was fast and fun and and you know told a very specific story it was kind of a railroad but it was also still you know something where you guys could really show off your your fun you know strong characters these people are all bad asses yeah it was fun to play marine to like to try and embody that it's always very difficult to do well but and it's very it's very different for most of us yeah yeah

except for maybe Amanda who grew up in that yeah but yeah honestly I just it felt home to me right back into that it's like yeah how close is a marine to a tiefling warlock and not at all I mean I think that's why you exploded and you know the first five minutes yeah I just like down tied my love he's literally the bomb person and I didn't do the stats right the first couple and I was like so yeah it's so good I was like oh I could have saved some laughs I remember when that when that mine went off and we but there was like it took us 15 minutes to be like oh no that actually happened they're dead laughing it was condensed in the edit for sure yeah I cannot believe like it's like Sergio blew up my character that was the only the good thing 45 minutes in

a little behind the screen I hadn't decided that it was actually a workable bomb until you rolled a zero because the zero is like the worst possible thing that could happen and of course the worst possible thing is that they're live mines and it ended up being justifiable because these people were basically you know tempting fate they were testing fate see if the people who they thought were going to go through really ended up going through and so it worked out great a scientific exploration of fate fascinating and it was so good because we spent like 15 minutes just like pure marine bravado of like I could shoot better than you I could fight better than you oh fuck he's dead yeah just kill his heel everybody immediately

amazing incredible you were going to say something Aaron I'm not telling you how it was um Trogbren has another great question for Serge the big man himself what is your guiding philosophy in running TTRPG games what leads you to the rulings you make in game Trog post this on our Patreon and I'll ask the moment he posted I was like how the hell am I going to answer this question it's a great question but it's it's a tough question to answer I mean I was thinking about it today and honestly my answer is just two fold are the players having fun and is it a is it a kind of fun that we've all agreed on and is it

is it I've almost kind of forgotten like what I was thinking about today but it's just like and so specifically with horror stuff like I don't it's too easy to kill players I really really am relishing how much perennial is just slowly falling apart and and and because it creates great moments for my players it creates great story things you know so much of the story is is driven by the the characters and their choices I'm just all about the story I'm all about how do we make this feel as cinematic as possible and part of that is are we all having fun is it the fun that we want my philosophy is just to come ready I like to come a little bit more prepared than I think the players were expecting you know if I can be on my toes a little bit more than they were expecting I think that's what is part of the fun like suddenly the the the middle of the stories like okay this feels real because he's he's relentless he's he you know he it's as if he's got everything you know figure out when I was kind of making up a lot on the spot sometimes but I did also take the time to do it to you know be ready so the guiding philosophy is just like take it seriously take the fun that you have seriously you know I'd like to have real serious fun

or at the end of it we're like we can't believe we just did three hours of like this super intense role play and gaming you know that that's what I like about it three six love that and a lot of times it's like it's the rule of cool right what's going to push the narrative in the most interesting direction possible you know yeah absolutely well one of my favorite parts of being in Serge's game and I'll say this quick I know I'm talking a lot one of my favorite things about being in his game is that like sometimes you will recede from a table if you don't feel like someone is backing up the thought you have with Sergio it's the exact opposite if you come to the table with an idea that you want to see through he will guide everything on the other side you don't even have to question whether it's written whether it's done

and that influences me as a player to go well then I'm going to give him everything I've ever wanted to see at a table I'm going to do everything that I think would be great it just makes the entire experience better because he says be great I'm going to watch you back and that guiding experience makes everything so much better huge inspiration when I was writing vampires when I was putting that in how can I make sure that everyone feels like I have their back on everything they want to accomplish well I'll tell you what vampires is already inspiring me for arc three in terms of how to make it even better because I'm loving vampires yes yes thank you it's a beautiful feedback loop right yeah it's so good if you if anyone's watching this is a kind safe DM where everybody lives if you want to DM and sort of influence the content great please we've got a lot of people like kindness injected into the in the process yeah I guess it is kind of rough to like step from surge to Vince and then to me like like Eli was a free there in the middle I also killed one of us that's true Eli has the like first kill amongst us I think I killed a couple of you yeah yeah yeah definitely kill the turtle you're fried one of us you find a turtle with a bigger turtle I killed Amanda too

oh yeah he did almost hit me too do you talk to the dog remember yeah I do yeah so there's no fucking break with any of them so if you just want to run a game we all just kind of sit down and hold hands I mean Lex has run Lex has run us through beach episode like beach beach day those are soft and sweet but nobody died in mogots that was very sweet

true true I was going to say I don't think that's something that can happen in the game well what we do part two we'll stress test it there we go thank you that gives me so much comfort can't wait for that and last but most certainly not least at least for our listener questions on gone Twitter asked so if Tuck ends up out of commission is leg picking up Mallory to continue the legacy of Mallory's love hate

slightly confused relationship with dear perennial this is that question that I remember on gas and I kind of yeah at the top that's true yeah would you want to play Mallory that seems out of your I don't know I would be super interested sorry what were you saying Zach sorry Mallory can't shoot a gun go ahead that's very true Mallory doesn't need to do a lot of things that may be so fucking pissed off I still don't forgive you for that what the hell it's just me and Taylor there's lower reasons

you know what though like it was so fucking good because in the moment I was like I've been taking orders from this woman this bitch yeah I almost died for this woman she can't even fire a fucking sick like yeah I don't know I like part of me thinks to be super interesting to play Mallory because of that same like weird relationship that we've already forged with her but I have an idea for another character if anything like happens to Tuck in either direction I don't think anything good's going to happen to her I in fact think only the worst things are going to happen to her but I have like an iota of an idea of a character that's absolutely going to not gel with anyone in the best way possible

so that's kind of fun for me in the future maybe but I like if I had my druthers I have things that I want Tuck to have is that going to happen I don't think so so maybe I'll play Mallory like if it's like a if it's like a frost constant yeah experience then for sure like an episode or two I'd be super down but I don't think I'd want that to be my forever or forever until that character died yeah there's a lot of fun stuff playing for Tuck oh yeah say that

I think that's so scared this is like your Marlene season like you're gonna get locked in the closet this time yeah Tuck has never been in the closet are you kidding me that lesbian's been out since day one baby first time for everything yeah listen you get locked in my closet once it happens on your on a mission and you move on and it's in a way it's even worse than what Marilyn went through you got a kid with you

I don't know if I have a kid with me yet I don't know if I have a kid with me yet we don't know what it's going to be and you know this shows history with kids I know I have a deep fear of something Sergio is going to make you do and then that's gonna bring us to blows my kind of like goal or hope was to eventually come into a little bit more detail with everybody's backstory so I'm hoping you know like arc two felt like Merid had an arc

and then I think these coming arcs however long our game lasts you know I'd like to explore everyone else's backgrounds too I want to know what the fuck hide saw in the goddamn desert all I can think about is like the Fresno Walkers and I'm like same well when I found that the patrons know Crystal Nomad too that like throws my mind Coral Nomad excuse me

it picks up a crystal they know Coral Nomad they know pretty much what's go what what what Tuck is you know in store for in arc three yeah they they were very aware of Merid and they were very aware of my shit I don't know not jump Summersault Summersault

Summersault of course Vincenzo the project Summersault he's got the notes ready oh my god well well great questions great questions thank you friend

yeah those are some phenomenal questions what questions do you all have for each other anybody have a good one that want to start do we not have any from like Twitter or anything no we got them from Twitter too I have one that I can just throw out that's kind of a soft blob what was your favorite moment of arc two that you were a part of and your favorite moment that you weren't a part of oh that's hard

great question cicada for sure at something I was not a part of but fairly fucking enjoyed cicada was wild I'm so glad I missed that mess all cicada yes yeah I think anyone who wasn't at cicada cicada

I read a book did the rest of us even talk that episode we were just like that no we were just there for support yeah I think boomer specifically told you to go take a day because that was the one that Hyde went running away into the streets basically oh yeah yeah technically yeah

I wasn't a part of a lot of the stuff with Eli like as soon as Hyde started talking to Mallory and I mean I was there I guess yes it's kind of weird to me to say that but even then like there was like half hour portions where I'm not saying anything during that so that was really fun to just kind of hang back and watch it watch the chaos unfold for me like a big focal point was Sam going through the ritual that horror imagery and not knowing what was going to happen once he did it and we just had this big argument over whether this was going to be the death of him

and then like seeing the fucking weird like drug house and the bug and everything that came of all that that was so cool to experience and like I love little moments like that that are so coded for one character and it felt like a really good moment for Sam I love that one I really like the way that scene turned out in post too yeah it sounded so good yeah really good

can I do an honorable mention which is the Marlene fight in the apartment it's going to be mine yes I love that that was tense because I really thought we were going to move somebody that one well we were in that moment of like Tuck is with Marlene Sam has passed out to the side

and Sergio is like do you want to shoot the gas I'm like yeah fuck all week coming up with this genius plan yeah we did it was such a good plan

yeah it's worth bringing up now because during the session you guys were like she's beefier man she's got some bonuses I did not change Marlene's stat block that's cool I'm proud of that what it was is that in the first time you met her you shot at her and she basically never retaliated she was trying to play Koi

yeah this is the second time around she came out swinging and you got to see how she was just constantly regenerating and she had like 20 something health but she was like a beast but she regenerated in the first arc right she did she didn't attack you guys until the very very end

she was already we hit her with like two head shots back to back hit her in the head she went down she got back up she ripped out my throat I got another shot off on her nothing about her changed between arc one and arc two damn damn we just got our asses into her

it's just wow that is rude on her and now her full power her having a corpse down in the car to jump to in case things go wrong mother really is fat solidified the fact that like literally anybody anybody could be

Marlene Marlene if anyone if anyone watches this show and wants to know what it's like to play with Sergio that is the most Sergio indicative shit in the fucking world right there oh my god spare tires around just around Michigan yeah

one day I'll get around to oh spare tires is a great analogy one day I'll get around to finally condensing it into a like a scenario but I really was inspired by that movie I think it was called something to do with breath it had to do with Denzel Washington he's a detective who a murderer dies

and then people start dying in the way that this murderer was killing people and he comes to find out that their soul is like traveling from body to body like fallen fallen was it fallen yeah it was fallen yeah

fallen it was a big inspiration for that kind of framework of like what would a scenario like that look like and Marlene was certainly the driving force for that so I had a whole thing about Marlene is feeding on homeless people and that was part of the investigation that what was the detective's name? I always bled Romeo Brown

Romeo Brown Brown was like you know in the middle of like oh we got more homeless dead people oh these FBI agents have showed up oh you know more bodies are showing up so he was like juggling many things and never really got around to telling you guys about this other part and it was Marlene you know

keeping the bodies fresh by feeding on the homeless that never came out Romeo's the homie that was a real one I think one of my other favorite moments was warp calling Hyde to to ask about knives I don't know I don't know what it was about that conversation

it was like for the morning for Hyde I was like but but but but but

yeah because I wanted to be clear that like the beef that we had with Sikhs wasn't because Sikhs existed it was because Sikhs did a fuck up thing in the moment but the inherent issue wasn't the wasn't the like illness it was just

kidnapping is bad and hard and stressful and that was it but also like I know Hyde is not going to steer me wrong for knives they would understand why I would need one so I guess I have not really a question but I think a topic that we should bring up

only would bring it up in a something like this where we're you know really kind of laying it out for our listeners something occurred in the second to last session that basically you know almost ended the show

not because we were mad at each other not because we didn't love each other there was none of that I want to just set the situation right we're playing session 20 we think we're finally in the end game we've been playing for like 4 hours at this point we were in 5 so we were in hour 5

I'm not surprised to hear that we were exhausted and you finally got Marlene unconscious you cuffed her and it was like alright let's get her to the car and you made a choice that ultimately led to a big problem

in the edit as it stands you guys put Marlene in the trunk of the car you know would someone like to explain what originally happened? oh no just a couple of times what had happened was what had happened

we were tired we were tired emotionally and physically we put her in the in the front seat back to the back seat we put her in the back seat betwixt two people

who was in the car? that's the worst part I was in the car I was driving which was also a mistake and Warp had the knife yeah and I had the knife

and I was in the back seat next to Marlene it was everyone except Boomer and Merrick I think no I thought you were in the front seat with a knife and I was in the back seat with a shotgun but she moved back there to do something with her and then how did you reach through?

yeah I recall what happened so what happened was is you know mechanically Marlene regains hit points and would have come to consciousness and I was like oh my god she came to consciousness did what she's gonna do

which is try to you know disrupt what's happening here Eli failed to drive role Hyde failed to drive role and I actually failed to drive role oh Sam the icing on the cake was that

Warp decided to stab Marlene with the knife mechanically I had decided that the knife had to be destroyed not used against her if it was used against her it was basically what she wanted

because you're giving it to her she wanted you to stab her she was going to sacrifice somebody and stab herself and it would bring her to fruition her full self you did two of the worst possible things you could have done

and there was a car accident you all suffered lethality and you all died instantly instantly it was insta kill so this happened in Session 20 you know we played it out

with Merritt coming to the crash site the car on fire you know a Samuel head through the windshield and a big tear in the ceiling of the roof Marlene had escaped and become what it was

and we were shaken I mean you know I still remember hearing the legrous tears through that last hour of kind of resolving it and you know we were just

it just felt so bad and you know we took the week and we thought about it and we basically decided to try it again and you know people

Delta Green is a very lethal game and you're meant to accept that and we really mulled over that we really struggled with that we wanted to be honest to the game but I think what we all decided and tell me if I'm wrong

is that it didn't feel earned in the way that we wanted it to it felt so abrupt and so out of nowhere and you know something we realized about ourselves was that we want to play the games

the way we want to play the games and we weren't having fun with that ending so we decided to do it again and you know I think some folks might scoff at that but I think if anything

it's a lesson for some folks that it's okay to rewind and say you know what we got ahead of ourselves we weren't thinking because literally just putting her in the trunk solved everything

so I it was a great learning experience for us I don't think any of us had ever experienced that but I'd like to hear everyone's kind of thoughts about that whole moment I mean I've lost most of it out by now I

can I say I remember feeling so fucking guilty because I remember the exact because I stuck my arm in that fucking door to get in there and if I just let the door

close I just got the roll or something if I just let it close we would have ended the episode we would have dealt with that next week but I stuck it in and it kept going further and further and further and because that added like that extra hour like that was was long and it was like that added

more to that exhaustion and it was I can't remember I just like just hearing that and hearing legs starting to cry and I'm not going to I just I couldn't say shit I had to act that shit

I'm like are you fucking fucking I was like trying not to cry in that thing too I got to say I was really happy we rewound but you and Caleb at the end of that had some fucking

incredible moments Merrick coming across everyone strewn across the car Marlene being gone him not knowing what the fuck to do and you your voice broke like three different times and I was already like sobbing

and it just like kicked it up another level and then Amanda being at the hospital and Emile Brown going you have to like I can't protect you you have to leave because that was something that happened and her leaving me in the hospital and like on top of three of my favorite characters to ever exist

in the media ever being dead I was like I'm not even a part of this and I'm never going to recover I don't know how you three with characters who've perished in this like weird awful way we didn't the answer is we didn't it was weird because like

you know I think we all you know I know that Samuel is not long for this world you know he was going to die eventually but that didn't feel like the way that I wanted him to go out and that's what's important is that at the end of the day we just felt like

you know it was more important to do it right than to have a mistake made because we were all just so tired and I think it worked out for the best I certainly don't think listeners couldn't really notice I think Eli did a great job

with just kind of mixing it all together that's very seamless it's fortunately seamless it felt like on a show when a character or something is like an actor is like I'm done with this I'm leaving the show and it's like they have to get them out by the last episode

and so they're like okay well they crash a car and they die it felt like a write out kind of thing it didn't feel a lot like that it wasn't even like necessarily a good goodbye too because I get there they're in the car I can see their bodies

like height is nowhere to be seen because they've flown from the car and I call Mallory and the first thing that she says is if you're caught in Lansing you're going to die basically you can't be there anymore so it's this paddle of

like we're just going to leave our friends on the side of the road and yeah we fucking hate each other but I don't have to have the bodies burn and god it was just and you're nearing on six hours everyone in the background is crying

right it was fucking brutal that whole ending was like god this was not how we're supposed to leave I think with where we always will be faithful to the game and the rules but we always know that that's just a tool for us

to tell a genuine story and we've always been honestly like very very very clear on that if not that we would just stream it all the time and you would see all the roles and all that but when we did this project it was like okay this is like a series

we want to make it that drama that's why you don't always hear the roles and all that so from a story point of view it just frank it sucked it was god father three bad there's that weird discussion we had too of like if we do keep this

if we're faithful to the rules and we accept that 40 miles per hour we had a bad car crash and the fucking devil is alive where do we go the conversation was like do we keep playing with merit crippled talk and boomer do they start a new perennial

is there a brand new group do you pivot to another like storyline altogether where this has nothing to do with perennial and all of that was half the team yeah yeah it'd be way different if it was one of us or all of us like yeah

like I was expecting tuck to be full dead and I was like okay I'm gonna keep going but then you three died and I was like we can't Caleb was kidnapped so we thought you were gone you were shot out

I had my throat taken by I was like oh piece and yet that happened and that's how we made the right decision right because those moments the kidnapping the shot the throat all of them felt like okay

we're gonna die this way absolutely it makes fucking sense but the car crash immediately we were all like oh what the fuck is this shit this is bad taste yeah I will say that week between finding that decision and the breakdown was

it feels weird to say my favorite part but it was like we had already been playing we were already homies but we were all sort of instinctually being like hey are you okay like sending each other like pictures of snacks we were eating

everyone was just like we couldn't do it in person but it was like the longest like cool down session right and then by the time we met we had already kind of gotten to the same page it was important philosophically for us as a group like you know

we took the heart stance of like we want to tell good stories we want to play games where we have fun we didn't have fun this session so we're just going to try again and it's okay to do that you know yeah and what good example of safety tools of like

immediately as soon as the session was over Sergio sat us down and said how's everybody feeling it's okay if you're feeling whatever you need to some of us left because we didn't want to be a part of that talk and then throughout the whole week we were constantly like hey want to remind you we love you so much like

I love playing with you across the board of like making sure that everyone not only was okay with us changing the ending or anything but just okay with the way that we played that no one felt like that was bleeding through to real life so I thought Sergio handled it really well in the moment I'm sure you don't feel that way

Serge because I know you were a little panicked in the moment I was so yeah like a really really great job reeling it in in between all of the oh my god I'm so sorry you had six openly weeping orphans basically that were not listening

we could not hear anything if we ever release that audio it's really funny because like the whole time I'm just like and then this happens because they're all dead just like fresh waves of tears

from different cameras I'm just really happy that our Snyder cut is just all of us fucking dying and crying for an extra hour it's also on brand it's so on brand absolutely we were gonna cry that long

regardless eventually I came to you Vince and I was like Vince this happened what are your thoughts you know like I and thank god you were very supportive I remember that was when you started talking to us like not like not like you didn't talk to us before but like we had like more

conversations with you after that moment because you were like hey you were kind of like a nice outside balm of like it's okay good no I'm glad to hear that it was it's a tough situation right but and at the end of the day you know

we've just talked about it like this is still a game but you all are so telling a story a very compelling very character driven story where where these characters are very central to the to the tale you're trying to tell and you know sometimes like you said you know

when everybody's going on hour 6 right you're exhausted things are 2 plus 2 is not equal in 4 anymore bad calls get made and it's like you know what when you can sit down and be like in retrospect we would have done things differently sometimes fuck it you know it's gonna hurt

absolutely no one if somebody doesn't like it they've got bigger things to worry about coming from Vince of black project gaming who loves players so I felt good about that absolutely yeah at the end of the day if

if sticking to the to the rules and the dice rules as they lay is going to make everybody miserable not even a one iota is it worth it what can you do to salvage it to move on to go back to having fun while still telling a compelling story and staying true to the to the tone of the setting

it's a no-brainer it's a no-brainer really good like I'm so happy with what we did come out yeah absolutely it came out phenomenally like honestly are there are there some

people who'd out there would probably love to see that original ending just you know at a sheer masochism sure right but at the end of the day the end result is fucking phenomenal like nobody can dispute the result what's that I was saying it's very few words if you

want to hear it it's mostly just cry yeah yeah I'd probably balling my damn eyes out I crying up every time I argue there's more suffering in the edited version like half of us fucking lose our jobs

kicked out of the damn state we don't work for the secret government that was keeping us safe there's a child that was abducted by aliens like and I like that more I actually personally like being like such a big you know proponent of delta green I prefer the way things

turned out even more because now we're seeing instead of just one potential ending where fucking everybody dies we're seeing all the perspective outcomes that could happen with a botched operation right we're seeing we're going through the firing rules we're going through the legal proceeding rules

all of it what do you mean botched technically it was a success this was a wild success yeah my bad I'm very happy with how like things are ending with that like I said I was like

no everyone is alive and Marlene is dead that's true that's true it did take us two years to do it but we did do it did do it and it worked out

brilliant you're absolutely right botched botched was inappropriate resounding success see I've retconned to my original original response anyone else got some good questions they've been burning to ask each other I just have

the inevitable playlist question the songs a song from your playlist oh that sits well with your season 2 I just want to say that I do have a very clever title for mine and it comes from the episode

that I was sent on a mission by oaks and it's called do you know what you are it's very choice very good and the song would be you seemed so happy by the Japanese house

very good you will not you will not you will not regret it's good okay so I only added three songs to my playlist for season 2 apparently which was brothers blood by kevin dine the manic

by amaranthe and girl in the war by josh ridder yeah that's me a couple of minor for anticipated season 3 so I'm not going to say them they're just vague anticipations

but for the last episode it's find me by sigma and birdie hmm yeah I think by the last episode as as warp like walks into the knife shop and we pull back

probably Nina Simone's tomorrow was my turn nice nice nice Aaron Amanda any good one I don't really I don't really do the whole playlist thing I mean I make them what we want to like I'm with you on that area but yeah it's not as big of a deal for me

for jubu or is it back that ass up really very close no but I got bitch better have my money yeah I was that's orpheus play

yes yes that's right different energy yeah here you are if you don't get hyped here in any up you're fucking dead oh man is that it folks I have one more thing I want to throw out I've

I also realize I've talked a fuck ton this time this time um surge what the fuck um specifically this time oaks

oaks anymore that was a jarring one for context none of us know what happened in the little stingers we don't only Eli knows this because she's editing and Sergio because he makes him and sometimes a couple of us because we

he asks us to do things but the context of them not a damn clue so please we had some good ones this arc I really liked blue being a millionaire because they play the stock market that's an actual character in delta green

um his name john something but in terms of that one I mean look everybody's in terms of people that know delta green everybody's favorite NPC is Nancy

she was hidden away from us and it is my my goal and due to her need to bring her back to her former glory um you know I knew I kind of wanted to get there I wasn't sure exactly how I'd get there

um but thankfully Aaron gave her that pencil that's all that she needed that pen I had no idea what that was I thought I was just giving her a pen man yeah I didn't know what was gonna happen but it's all good it's all good I don't blame you uh

but yeah yeah Nancy is uh yeah does this mean that technically I get to be responsible for Oaks's death oh no not fair don't get that XP no

I call this everybody remember your characters don't know shit I just want to say that she fucking interacted with me too because I took the second job after the pen shit so the reason why leg has their lung

and I killed another kid Nancy said so Nancy said so I hate here for all you know the second one because it's just been some random kid that's what I've been thinking thank you Aaron uh

I think you gotta understand though because I don't remember much of that finale of recording it so listening to it I needed to kind of listen to it because I didn't realize the process so fuck y'all I'm bad well hit

the top of the last week I was so like I was out I didn't yeah I mean here's the most important question is Arc3 coming yeah cool question just yes I think so I think we'll probably

start recording it at the end of the year um might be a little bit in the spring or summer I think we really want to get through vampires and any other kind of lingering one-shots and small campaigns we want to run but yeah I think we will return to it there's just so much

stuff left to resolve you know at least for me and hopefully you guys feel the same way oh yeah we all went immediately to you we're like okay here's our see like here's a list of things we would like for Arc3 yeah that was just like I have like a all-new

like a totally new dude like I don't even know where to start is he going to wear like a Kangl hat now like a brass old hat like the spenders it's going to be rough so yeah stay tuned

for that we'll you know we might do another uh Delta Green one-shot we have uh we our first kind of interaction with Vinz he ran us through Observer Effect we might try to cut that together as a patron exclusive so good we got more Delta Green stuff but yeah

Arc3 will come hell yes that's what I'm talking about uh that's it as a player in that game that Vinz ran yeah phenomenal I'm actually noticing some of the similarities

between boroughs and that character hey yeah I love all our characters off that one it's a lot of fun we'll get that eventually yeah that was a great like mini campaign because it ended up being what three three episodes

three or four yeah that was awesome what a doozy it did great scenario I want to hear it again I want to see my computer girlfriend again yeah

yeah that's right oh you were a little nerd in that one hacker man hacker man I did did not end well for any of us though does it ever

we've got to run Delta Green that Vinz ends up being a player that's my next goal I'm putting that out into the universe alright alright we'll see that'd be awesome

this has been phenomenal if that's all we got I guess we can bring this thing to a close Vinz thank you so much for hosting this you've done a great job thank you all for having me once again thanks for letting me play Charlie that was great we'll see if I pop back up in arc three

but no all of you thank you so much again for all your hard work and for producing such an absolutely phenomenal second season of without a doubt hands down one of the best if not the best Delta Green hopefully out there keep up the phenomenal work we'll keep listening

I know you all will out there thanks for joining us and we'll see you soon alright we got more content coming so have a great time we'll talk to you soon bye guys bye y'all