Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 044: Joint & muscle pain, offering advice in the gym & chiropractors

Episode Date: March 15, 2015

How do you remedy joint and muscle pain? Should you offer your advice to someone in the gym who is clearly doing an exercise wrong? What does the MindPump crew think about chiropractors? Sal, Adam and Justin answer all of these fan questions on today's episode. To get your questions answered on a future episode, follow us @mindpump on Instagram. Each week we post a request for your questions and will answer as many as we can.

Follow Justin's 98 transformation from Pudgey to Rift, right here each week on Mind Pump. To get Justin's exact face workout and diet plan, go to MindPumpRadio.com and click the big yellow button's only one place to go. Mind, hop, mind, hop, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Hey, welcome to Mindbomb. Adam, stop giving him a hand jump. Oh my god, dude, that's what we don't let you in, troll type.

It's an exhaust. You get introduced to us dude. I'm here with Adam Schaefer. That's right, so I'll just definitely. And Justin Andrews. Yeah. Q&A time. Let's do some more fun.

I love some Q&A. We're going to answer some questions today. Let's start with the first one here. It's from L Stephen 123. That's L EL STV and One two three now his questions is this basically and we're gonna summarize it, but what does he do? With stiff joints Well, this is what you do with stiff joints. First of all you got to stop rolling them so tight so that they're a little more flexible You're gonna have a little bit of air. Oh no, these are my joints in your body.

Oh, all right, all right, all right. Stupid dude. My bad. Cause look at you. Got let him breathe. My bad. No, so cause he said basically, he talked to a trainer at the gym and the trainer told him to not lift heavy anymore.

What? I hate that. Stupid. You know what dude, if you, it's like what a doctor would say Yeah, it is totally exactly what you let me just stop Oh, you guys you're not hard. Oh, just stop doing that. Can I can I explain why why a doctor or someone would say that in the first place because They and just you can take this is I think it's disrespectful because it's automatically assuming that you have shit form Yeah, the reason why this why squatting is bad for your joints is because you have shit that you have shit form. The reason why this, why squawting is bad for your joints,

is because you have shit form. You have good form. It's amazing for your muscles, and it's totally fine for your joints. It has nothing to do with the load. The load, what happens is risky, and if you have a heavy load and you have shitty form, then yeah, then your joints get good. That's probably not why this guy's doing fine trance a lot. You've probably done proper joint loading before and like

Addressed all the imbalances of your body sure. Well first off. Well first off does L Stephen foam roll That's a big one. Yeah, that is that is a great question That's a big one because if I don't my if I don't do foam rolling if I don't do my all-fascial release on my IT bands on a regular basis I too will start to notice my knees not feel old. Oh, I'm not going to get as much circulation. I mean, there's not going to be enough blood flow there. It's a healing, right? It's a little bit firing.

Yeah, there's a lubrication. Well, so, you know, in a nutshell, when you're foam rolling your IT band and you can look this up, it's called the Iliol tibial band. It's this big fascia that runs along the side of your thigh. And as it goes down your leg, it kind of wraps around the front of your shin. If it's tight, which it probably is, if you exercise a lot, or if you run, or if you do lots of activity with your legs,

it, what happens is it pulls the kneecap to the side a little bit, and it causes it to track in a not so optimal way. Because every time you bend your knee, your kneecap has to track on this like little groove on your femur. And so if your IT band is tight and it's pulling the kneecap over the side, then you're going to get some grind. It's not going to be optimal. You're going to have some pain. So I can't tell you how many times I've had a client come in with knee pain. We do one foam rolling session, which obviously hurts like

crazy, by the way, if you've never done it before. After they do it, it's like, oh, I have no more pain. One session. Can I just say that, oh, it's crazy. Over 90% of my clients, over all the years that have came to me with bad backs, bad knees, you know, all these pair of forms related. Yes, I see that. It's been muscle related. I mean, okay, someone comes to me and says

I had surgery on this or what of that. Yeah, that's different. That is totally different. But someone just says, I have back pain or I have knee pain. I'm just really stiff. Yes. It is 90, over 90% it's muscle related, and it's, and over time it just gets worse and worse

as all it is, is yeah, when you were 15, 20, you didn't notice you had knee pain, but 15 more years on top of that of not exercising properly or exercising at all, putting on excess weight your body doesn't need and carrying it wrong, because nobody walks around in the anatomical position where everything's evenly balanced

throughout all your muscles. So yeah, everybody is slightly putting stress on their bones and ligaments all day long. This is why I keep stressing the point of like the warmup and like creating a ritual for yourself. So I mean, there's gotta be part of the routine. You have to do it. If you're not gonna do it, you're, there's gotta be part of the routine. You have to do it. If you're not gonna do it,

you're gonna complain about shit like this all the time. And you're just gonna, I mean, because if you just go right to lifting heavy and think that you're gonna work your way through it, you're a fool. Now, have you guys seen people foam roll incorrectly? Could I see people foam rolling? But they do it right.

They roll with a roll of dough back and forth, hella fast. Yes, that's not how you've got to roll. let it sit on there for at least 15, 20 seconds in that area and work that same area. Yeah, so you roll down, you feel pain, you stop, you sit on it, you let your body sink into the foam roller. Focus on your breathing, real deep breath, that's it, your nose, get oxygen. Wait till the pain dissipates a little bit and then you move down a little more, you find another spot and that's how you go all the way down.

So a good foam rolling session should take you for both legs, 15 minutes, maybe. So I've done as much as, you know, 20 minutes for both. Oh, yeah, I'll spend 20, 30 minutes. So on squad days, I have to, that's part of my routine. My routine, and there's a little cycling room over at the gold gym that I go over there, grab my foam roll, get a mat, the music I like to listen to,

and I'm stretching, and then I'm just like, I mean, it's part of my, it's 20 minutes into my workout and I tell you what, it is night and day difference. When I do that, or if I try to get cold and go right into squatting and count like my just the bar or 45 pounds on each side as a warm up, trying to warm myself up like that. Yeah, because you can get away with it for a while when you don't phone roll and you keep out your routine and you're, yeah, when you're fucking 22. Exactly. You can keep at it for a while, but don't foam roll and you keep at your routine and you're yeah when you're fucking 22 exactly you can keep at it for a while But guess what that shit's catching up to you. You know, and so if you don't establish that now Just just know that that's gonna happen and let's let's be clear

I don't want to most certainly we are not picking up picking on our boy right now like no Oh absolutely not trying to say that all I think we're all very passionate Tell you what this was me. Yeah, no, I don't think we're all very passionate. I'll tell you what, this was me. Yeah, exactly. I didn't, okay, I used to teach foam rolling because I knew the importance of it. I knew what it did. And I didn't do it.

I didn't do my first real foam rolling so I just thought it was fucking 28s. That's eight years later after being a personal trainer. Real one, I taught it. Yeah, I knew exactly what to do. I knew what it did. I could teach the science of it to people and explain why they had problems and fix them,

but I never thought I had a need to do it because I never felt bad knees, bad back. I didn't have any of that problems. And then all of a sudden, fucking when I get into my late 20s, after one of my bulks, all of a sudden I started noticing stuff and I just got worse and worse and worse.

And then now it's the point where it has to be addressed or else I can't function. Well, so let's say he is foam rolling, let's say he's doing all of that. What else could potentially be causing stiff joints? The first thing that pops into my head is a muscle imbalance. That's the first thing that pops into my head, right? I also think to overtraining a little bit. Well, yeah, I mean, that's, I was gonna say that's the second thing.

So, before we get into the overtraining aspect of it, because I think that's a little easier to remedy, right? Muscle imbalances are harder to run. Yeah, so obviously if you're doing a super heavy bench press and you have extremely weak triceps, there's a very good chance that your elbows are going to be stressed. It could be, yeah, absolutely. That's one of your secondary muscles is going to help finish that exercise and now your elbows taking the low versus the... Well, with the squat, sometimes you'll see someone squatting and you'll see that they're

not getting very good hip activation. And so most of the load is going on to their knees. So for people like that, what I do is I have them do, I'll have them do a few weeks of box squats where they sit way back on a box, they sit down and they come back up and it teaches those hips to fire and then boom, lo and behold, no more knee pain. Right. It's utilizing your posterior chain. Like, a lot of times, yeah, when most people that like feel, feel joint pain and all that,

they really haven't really learned proper mechanics even of the squat yet. So, I mean, I don't know, and we're all speculating here because anybody that asks us a question, we don't know in depth detail about you and your specific makeup and what you do in your lifts and everything. But just to have somebody kind of look at your joints and sometimes they'll notice, even sometimes you'll notice yourself, if you watch your knees, what they're doing as you're going down into a squat, right? You might see them externally rotate.

You might see them internally rotate. You might see other things happening like your heels elevating. Okay, all these are signs of imbalance and things that you need to address. And there's specific ways to do that. And a trainer that's good is going to tell you what to do. And then you talk about over training, Adam. Yeah, so that's what comes to my mind first. It's because I want to assume that he's a mind Publisher so it's probably a smarter guy. Yeah, you know, so I'd be good looking. Yeah, he's probably good looking smart fit, you know, Imagine so hot girlfriend probably knows what he knows is where on the gym and he wants advanced questions the typical with Yeah, so that's what I'm assuming right now. So I give it a given the benefit of doubt that

It's it's might be read of that, which would be something like me where I experienced joint pain first. And what was going on was I needed to pull back on my intensity. Now, those of you that already have our MAP Santa Ball program know that the way our phases work out. And when you first start off,

it's designed that you're gonna touch like your legs three times a week. You're gonna touch a lot of muscle parts three times a week and that's a lot of frequency for the average average person most people do all these crazy splits I wonder if he's if he's just doing heavy leg exercises more frequently, right? Yes, yeah all legs for that one day exactly too much too hard and they and you got to listen to by the body Need some more pressing the load your whole body to load. Because we all train like that, we're somewhat like that. We all have our different twists

on how we utilize our phase. But we all train multiple body parts in a workout and there's no structure to it's one time a week or just two times a week. It really goes off of how we feel and we also adjust the intensity level. So I might do, for example, on Saturday was heavy loaded squats for me. So I did heavy squats, did heavy lunges, heavy workout, real hard, right? And I'll hit

legs again tomorrow. But when I hit it tomorrow, I'm gonna work on like my flexibility. So I'll do like multi-planeier lunges. I'll do a lot of high repetitions. I may even throw some plow met, like one plow metric exercise, and they're just to kind of confuse, but keep away from establishing your function and movement patterns and all that. And I'm not really concerned about pushing that much way. And literally the intensity will be a lot less.

So it's not just the rep range is changing. I'm also bringing down the intensity. I'm not gonna kill it. I would kill it on Saturdays, drenched in sweat. I mean, I was like, legs felt like they're gonna explode and I was walking duck walk when I walk out, I have a deal where this workout tomorrow won't be like that. Tomorrow I'll touch things.

I'll touch I'll focus on specific things right now. I'm trying to impress out, build my sweep. So I have specific movements. He's trying to get his legs to look better than mine. Yeah, that's, so my goal right now, that's what you guys said, dude. We shouldn't have seen that now. I'm competitive as shit.

He threw it out there and that's, that's, that's one of my weak points, but I'm, it's all good, you know, so I, I'm training right now, those are sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sickly sick my legs, but he's got better looking legs. He can't see me roll my eyes. Yeah. I'm not. Oh, he's got great legs. We know that. So that's a, but I have to be careful. I've got great legs. I gotta be careful, right? So like, so one, one day I'll do that. He wears high heels.

That's why. But here's the thing though, and that's what I think of this kid. I think that, uh, that's a possibility. And that's the first thing that comes to mind with me when, when, when, especially if you're younger, if he's in his early 20s Or even early 30s at that and he's and he's too much intensity Yeah too much intensity too often and you need to either you got to be stretching those out and and balancing it more or Taking it down a notch on like the how how much volume we're doing with that per week

So that's a good. Yeah, it's a good range of options for you Yeah, so I think I hope we help you. We can go. So try those things out. All right, so next question is coming from JD underscore Kubiki K U B I C K I and this person's asking, what do we say to someone like what if you see someone in the gym with bad form or shitty form, are you an asshole for helping them?

Well, before I before I say anything, there's etiquette to this, I have my own etiquette. There is, but before you do anything, look at them and then look at yourself. Are they more muscular than you? Now that doesn't mean that they know more than you. But if they're more muscular than you, chances are they're not gonna take any of your fucking

advice. Yeah, so that is B, they're dig their own grave. You're just gonna know it. That's a very good point actually. That's not part. Yeah, so that's a let it be. Let her dig their own grave. Yeah, you're just gonna know him. That's a very good point actually. That's not part of mine, but that's, that's, I, here's my theory. Cause you're usually the most muscular guy in the world. Well, it's, if you work out a planet fitness.

Yeah. We both know I would last there. No, dude, lungs throwing up everywhere. So I think that, I rarely, and I know this is bad. I'm sure a bunch of trainers that are especially if you're a new trainer right now and you're full of life are probably you're gonna be you're not gonna like what I'm about to say right now but I rarely ever ever I rarely ever go up and interrupt someone's workout to tell them that unless I do see somebody like if I saw some old lady doing something

really dangerous. I'm going to go over and say some tour. But if I see these kids that look like they're in college and they're doing stuff like that and they're working out and like, I don't want to be that guy. I don't want to be the guy who comes over and kind of punks it because that's something they're going to feel like I'm pumping them or maybe one and I've done this. So it's not like I haven't done this, I've done this, I've helped everybody that I've seen. And in my early on in my career, I came across like, more often than not,

people are just like, dude, I don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna hear it. Like leave me alone. I don't care if I'm not. People are funny about that. Yeah, people are. They're funny about their little routines. And you know what?

And I feel like I offended more people than I ever helped. So now my attitude's like, you know, if you really want to know from me, you can come up and talk to me. You can ask me a question why I'm doing something or whatever or watching my form. Or maybe that's all I kind of indiscreetly try and help you by doing the same exercise right next to you with the right way.

So, but I'm not a big fan of, you know, because I also think too, so I had trainers for many years. I had lots of trainers that worked for me. And, you know, they were encouraged to go find people with bad form and go correct their form and sell the clothes Yeah, right that was part of our you know, I used to teach this I did that. Yeah, so you did many times Going out and a finding people with bad form and then rip them off the floor and tell them how they're gonna kill themselves

And then you say you know, I'm a train component. Yeah There's my card. Yeah, so. Just so was very successful. It has anybody ever, this is a good one. Has anybody ever come up to you guys and tried to correct you working out? Yes.

Did that happen to you? Oh, yes, it just happened to Justin. Yes, yes, yes, yes. It just happened to Justin. Oh, it was so funny too. It was, I had to put her in position. What was it, girl? Where were you?

I was at. It came to Orn. Yeah. Oh my god So you're working out. You're right. And so I was what was I doing? I was doing a Press with the tear acts I believe and so here's what you have to understand I worked on range of motion like forever my range of motion is awesome in my shoulder, right? So I was getting real low and I'm twisting my arms full deep, you know, and this lovely lady comes up to me and she's just like kind of grabbing, you know,

my core and trying to show me that I should keep everything solid and tight and, you know, you only want to go this far. There's like 90 degrees. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I sure do. You know, so degrees. I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I sure do. You know what's so funny? I think I was more embarrassed than he was.

I was like, I saw him happen. I'm like, oh my god. She need to go correct my point. So I don't know you took it class. You went and took it class. One time, yeah, the very, when I first started. Yeah, dude, I was trying to support my boy over here and you know, check it out.

It was fun. It was a fun way. I was showing embarrassed. I remember when I was after I was like, did you go in there? And so actually this is a great point. This goes right back to the of my coach, my trainers. Here's what you don't know. So you, because whoever we're talking to,

maybe you're, you're newly, you're recently certified personal trainer or you just finished Kinesiology. Kinesiology, and you know a lot about biomechanics and you've got all this stuff dialed in, but what you don't know and you will learn if you don't know yet is that there are so many contradicting things and fitness and there's so many different, it's science we're always evolving and changing. I mean, shit, it's weekly. I feel like something

comes out nutritionally. I mean, for so many years, and here's an example, for so many years, I taught a squat where you had to have your feet a little bit wider shoulder part your toes need to be as straight as possible You come down exactly to 90 degrees You want your chest up and deviated if you deviated out of that at all That's a Foward if your chest came a little bit forward or your knees extremely rotated automatically It was like oh, you had all these problems and these issues. You're not you know saying with what we don't what we're just now finding We're not just now finding out but what we've realized is that we're all different.

We all have different, different bone lengths. Yeah. If your femur is three inches or four inches shorter than my femur and your hip sockets are completely different or tilted at an angle by 0.1 degree more than any bits of asymmetry, all those things play a role in the way someone might do an exercise. So, you know, you, you'd have to be doing something really stupid and off the wall in front of me for me to think that like, I can't see a reason why you might do that. And you're gonna really hurt yourself.

But there's a lot of times I see really stupid shit. And I say, I say nothing. Oh, no, if they're not gonna hurt themselves, I will sit back and, no, no, let me have a film it and share it with one of my other friends. Well, I think that's what I was gonna bring. I'm like, yeah, I would just kind of like discreetly like make a little capture image of that or a video.

Well, here's the thing, if I'm in this, we're assholes. We were honest, self-fuck off. We only show it to our buddies. I posted mine on the public Facebook page. I, you know, when I'm working out, when I'm in the gym working out myself, I don't give a shit about anyone around me. So you could do, I don't care what you could light

yourself on fire. And unless I feel like the fire, the flames are gonna come over and fuck up my deadlift I'm gonna let you I'm not gonna care you want to be on fire. That's fine. I'm gonna be over here Let's be honest. We're all I think we're all the same guys so you could come up and ask us a question Of course help knowing who we are But if you don't ask me and you're just over there. Yeah, you do thing. I'm here to work out for me I refer to the gym for me as church. That's church for me Man, I'm in I'm in meditat full meditation. I am in my big head. I don't even like to talk to anybody

I don't need it. I don't like to talk to you, but I'm with you guys in the fact that like you you could you could almost break your neck And I'm not gonna give a shit, but I would you know, I would definitely if it got to that point where somebody's doing something like Yeah, I'm gonna step in and say something like hey, hey, like I Gave someone CPR once actually believe it not wow. Yeah somebody somebody in the gym Well, I was about to give him CPR and that you know, I got him already in the She was hot bro slipping the tongue. Yeah, exactly no no, no, we'll help you, but yeah, I'm not talking Yeah, I mean, it's obvious like I've seen somebody eat it on the tongue. Yeah, exactly. No, no. No, we'll help you, but yeah, I'm not talking about that. Yeah, I mean, it's obvious. Like, I've seen somebody eat it on the treadmill.

Oh my god. I've seen it so many times. I think too, like, let's get on. I totally ran over to help the guy, you know, but it's just like, all three of us, I like to think have a pretty good skill set when it comes to approaching someone in situations like this, right? And it takes a very unique person to do it without offending

something. So if you see someone with bad form, you're probably better off not saying it. Because let me tell you, this is not how you start that conversation. Oh, excuse me, sure. Do you want me to show you how to do that the right way? No, do you know that you're doing that wrong? Like what do you say? I mean, not a lot of people have the talent to walk up and actually find a way into that conversation to if your desired outcome is truly to help somebody, right? If you your true desired outcome is, are you progenially care about this person on health?

And then you really should care about how they feel and not embarrassing them too. I would say draw the line at this. If you know for sure, like if you think that person's gonna hurt themselves, say something, otherwise don't say anything, because it's like someone walking down the street with a shitty outfit on.

You're not gonna go up to someone and be like, you know, let me show you a better way to dress. Like, you're gonna let that person, you're not gonna, cuz they're gonna get a fence. These are like life lessons, if they need to learn for themselves. If they look like they're really gonna hurt themselves or hurt someone else or break the equipment or whatever, say something otherwise.

You know what you do actually? I tell you what, you email us, you give us your address, we're gonna email you a box of mine pump cards and you just fucking hand him mine. Hey, you might wanna show to the self. Yeah, you might wanna listen to these guys. You're gonna email you a box of mine pump cars and you just fucking hand him Yeah, you might want to listen to these guys So Doug how are we doing on time Doug? Oh good we got one we're gonna do another question then you go this one's from a good friend of ours He's actually been a follower of ours for a long time and you know, he's a the endorphin a holic

It endorphin a holic. He's my boy actually. He's been following the program for a while He's got he posted some some before and after, he's been following the program for a while, he's got, he posted some, some before and after. So he's been on the program longer than, yeah, he's like, even L.A. guys so far that I've noticed his like team, mind pump, just, and like he's there with me. Yeah, no, he's, and his, his, thank you buddy.

His transformation has been pretty amazing. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah. If you guys want to check him out on Instagram, it's in, in, in, in Dwarfen spelled, E N D O R F I N A hol holic a H a O L. I. C. Anyway, his question is what is our opinion on chiropractors? Ooh, what is our

This is a little sensitive. Well, do you want me to go first? Uh, no because I because I I I can judge by the look on your face. You're about to go off. I know and I think that if I'm gonna be a dick You should probably save us and come back and say something really sweet. All right, well, dick first. Jeez, you always dick first. Well, here's why.

Now mind you, this is my own personal experience. And in my personal experience over my, you know, whatever, 13, 15 years of being in the fitness industry, I've probably worked with between 20 and 30 different car practice over the course of my career. Personally, or do you mean with clients? Both. So either you, by working with these are things that I'm either I interacted with you because

you were part of like you were doing work inside my gym. You were you actually practiced inside my gym and then picked up leads and would come in and work on people and bring them bring them. And most of all these guys part of that deal was when and you remember this was I'd work trade out and you'd have to work on me and I'd get a chance to talk to you and meet you.

And nine times at a 10, I remember every time when I remember the first one I went to. I was so excited because I thought, this is a related field to me, but a different expertise. I can really learn some shit. And I was really pumped to go ask this guy like all these questions about what's going on in my body,

because here you get someone, and I would think I would be the wet dream for a car. I could muscular, he's bones. Well, exactly, and I could tell you everything that's going on with me because I'm very in tune with my physique and I can speak to you in muscles and stuff like that. So I'm all excited to go talk to this guy and I'm you know, and I'm talking about I have a lower cross syndrome pretty bad. So I have a pretty excessive anterior pelvic tilt. And I've always attributed that a lot to my squatting problems why I used to have low back pain and not a lot of, but so I've, and I've always foam rolled and stretched all these different areas thinking

that it should release it, help it. And I'm trying to, I'm always working on like, I think I could never put my finger on it. And so I remember getting this, to go see this chiropractor. And I remember talking to him and explaining this to him. And his answer was back to me that, you know, I'd have to refer back to my book

and then get back to you. And I thought, oh shit, dude, I didn't even think that was a very complex question that I was asking. And I was really excited thinking that he would be able to have some sort of information for me and to have none. Now that's just my very first experience. What also led to me having

the attitude of I'm not a big fan is because many more after that gave me the same letdown where I thought and then you know they and here's the thing with with chiropractors. They're in the business of popping you back into place and it feels amazing right and the reason why it feels amazing is because and I wish we could have video of me showing you guys do this. But if you can imagine what you remember the skeleton when you were in biology class or what I thought your science class, the skeleton that the teacher always had, you know, and it was in the anatomical position where their palms are their palms are out there erected straight up. That's what our bodies need should be at. Is the optimal alignment posture?

Yes, optimal alignment and posture to where everything is evenly balanced with the least amount of stress on your length tension relationship. Exactly. Exactly. So what they do is they, and some of these guys now have the computer, some of them use the old school, like graphing you and figuring this out, but they see all these imbalances, just like us trainers do, we look at you,

we see all the way you move in your movement patterns, we can tell all the muscle imbalances that you have, he can tell the same thing, but what he does is he just pops you back into that neutral spinal alignment, and it feels so amazing after, but guess what, didn't fix the muscles and the tightness, and the, and the, you have to have Didn't fix the muscles and the tightness and the...

You have to have both. And the imbalance is from that. And so what happens is... Go right back up. Those muscles being super tight, go right back to pulling you back into that poor monster. They're like rubber bands. So 90% of the car, and I'm saying 90% because I have.

There, I can count to chiropractors that I've met that were legitimate, that prescribed stretching with it, and that was part of the program, and it was all about, most of them are in the business of keeping you around, and it's fixed you real quick, and then come back again,

if they're not telling you what you, if they're not either referring you to a trainer, or telling you what you should be doing to fix those muscles in the gym and stretch them, and what you're supposed to be doing outside of seeing him, he's not a good chiropractor. Well, check it out. So I'm a dick.

No, everybody knew that already. I worked with a few chiropractors that I really, really respect. Now, here's a deal. And Adam's 100% correct. I agree with you 100% on this. If you're out of alignment and someone's adjusting you into alignment, but they're not helping you correct what's causing that out of alignment in the first place. This is when you get,

this is when you see your car, chiropractor. Multiple visits. Twice a week for 10 you elaborate. Yeah, and you never get really to the root problem. Now, the chiropractor's I've worked with that I respect, you know, there's a doctor fields, Dr. Renshaw is very good, Dr. Goodman, these are all guys around me that they will send clients to us or to me. There, Dr. Renshaw is very good, Dr. Goodman, these are all guys around me that. They will send clients to us or to me.

There you go. And they'll say to me, Sal, I noticed, there's this deviation in this particular area. I suspect these are the type muscles and these are the weak muscles. And see, here's the thing, and I've run into this with other chiropractor, I cannot stand it when anybody and any profession

pretends to be a professional or an expert in a different profession. I am not a chiropractor. I cannot stand it when anybody and any profession pretends to be a professional or an expert in a different profession. I am not a chiropractor. I am not going to look at someone. And I'm not going to say, oh, I need to adjust your neck and let me do this and that. I know how to crack your back because I'm not a fucking chiropractor. But I've had chiroprakers tell me, no, Sal, these are the weak muscles, these are the strong muscles. You need to do these exercises. And then they'll show me some like physical therapy, super small, bring the motion.

Now look at it and I'll be like, no, that's not gonna do much for if that's actually the issue. You know, that reminds me of doctors giving fucking nutrition advice. Yeah, that's another one. Your doctor tells you that you're supposed to be eating, asking where is, where is the nutrition? Yeah, how much nutrition he went,

how he went through his PhD. Yeah, so when they're doing that, that gets all in nerves. Or this is something else I've run into with some chiropractors is that it is the cure for everything. Oh, if you get more adjustments, you won't get those. It comes with huge holistic. Oh, that's like the acupuncture.

Acupuncture is like that too. Oh my God, the answer to everything. They go crazy with it. Now that all being said, good effective chiropractic work, especially if you have pain, is for many people, extremely effective. It's so effective that it's actually been approved to be covered by much of your medical insurance.

They wouldn't approve it if there was an actual study showing me how to work. Well, can we definitely use a place for this and that's where my stance is on that. Now, the repeated adjustments all the time, doesn't work for some people, doesn't work for me. If I get adjusted all the time. I honestly don't see any benefit to that,

unless you had some serious trauma that they're trying to correct. Well, it depends. I think it depends how they do it, because I have clients that will go once every other week, for example, to a chiropractor, but the chiropractor is not doing an adjustment every time. So one time might be an adjustment,

but the next time might be an adjustment. Well, sometimes, yeah, the next step is to... What's that a stem, or I'm not a stem, it's like an ultrasound thing, right? No, it actually vibrates muscles. Oh, fires, all that. Oh, stem, stem. Yeah, looks like...

Anyway, yeah, they're like trying to stim. So that, you know, there's some methods in there too that they'll use for the muscles to alleviate some stress and release. But yeah, you have to have the combo of both. If they're going to ignore the fact that after the adjustment, you know, it's just going to go right back to where it was

because you haven't addressed how the muscles are got affected, then I'm definitely not a supporter. But there are chiropractor out there that do do that. And that's very knowledgeable. They have a very, you know, intelligent about the anatomy of the body and they go into great detail with that. However, yeah, there's definitely a good, a good handful of. Oh, man, I've done, I've done it where I was doing a heavy lift and I felt a pop and like my mid thoracic in the Kyra crackers that I popped a rib out. It was so painful. Like I could barely breathe. Yeah,

I popped a rib out too. So I went to see him. He adjusted me instantly, like a 70% reduction in pain. Yeah. I went back to, you know, two days later, boom, pain is gone. And I've done that same injury before without going to chiropractor, takes weeks. So, from my own anecdote, I would say a good chiropractor is definitely worth their weight and gold. But if they say that they can cure your yeast infection with an adjustment, then yeah, you might need to go find someone else.

Well, I think it's very similar to take that monostat. I think I think there's a sound by free right there. How did you even know? I didn't know. I've been watching a lot of lifetime. You've been running some. I know what you stopped to go up because I just pizza the other day. I guess that was was part of the errand, too, a little emotional. Hey, no, so, I told you I was man-strating all day. It's very similar to the personal training industry, the personal trainers. Let's be honest.

That's some shitty trainers, I guess. There's some, there's a lot. There's a lot. You know what, would you even, I would even go as far as to say that, probably a majority of trainers are not that good. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I'm trying to be nice. Absolutely, I think I'm probably a be a majority of trainers. I'm trying to be nice. I think I'm probably a majority or not. No, get them.

Yeah. Cause let's call them out. Like we call everybody else out. We got to call them trainers. Oh yeah, there is probably. There's a lot of them. There's a lot. 90s a little high, probably 80, probably 80 and out of that 80% at least 60% don't think they are

so only 20% probably know their shit. Like I was a pretty shitty trainer in my first couple of years of training. I have told you that. I've admitted that on here before. If you're new, like let's let's let's, it's okay, like you'll get better. If you're really taking it seriously

and you're getting the education and the good thing. And you want to get better. Yeah, you want to get better. I want to give it, that was a difference. I wanted to grow. I was always trying to learn. I was always leaning on people that were you got to be a sponge. It's just like anything else, man

So yeah, it but it's very similar in that that you could easily get a shitty trainer, too And there's some red flags and maybe we'll do an episode one time that we just talk about the red flags to look for How do you know how do you know you have a good trainer? Good topic. How do you know you have a good trainer a bad trainer and and we'll go back Dicks we are No, it's for real though and like South said You can go back and quit your trip. What dicks we are right now? What the fuck up everybody's business right now? No, it's for real though. And like Sal said, and I know I started this off

with kind of a rant about my experience. I just have to be passionate because I was, I think I was like a little kid who was let down. I was so, I was like, we said earlier, I like to learn. I like to lean on people that can teach me something and I just gotta find a good one, man. Yeah, and you know, I just, I didn't get that experience until later on.

And I have, I've met a couple guys that are pretty good, but you know, it's, those are the things you're looking for. If he's not, if your chiropractor is not talking you about the muscle imbalances or the corrective exercises and stretches that you should be working on doing, he's not a good one. If he's just, if he or she is just popping you, yeah, every time you go,

it's about your adjustment and always about your adjustment and what you need to do in there. And even the Eastern, that's great in all Yeah, it's about your adjustment and always about your adjustment. Probably not good. But what you need to do in there, and even the Easton, that's great in all, but if they're not talking to you about the corrective work that needs to be done, like, and I mean the real stuff, like getting your guys to self-stretched out and working on the muscles

that are in balance and causing all these issues, then they're not good. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. For more information about this show, and to get valuable free resources from Sal, Adam, and Justin, visit us at www.mindpumpradio.com. Until next time, this is Mind Pump.