Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1000: Episode 1000- Live Studio Audience Quah, Justin's F16 Flight Recap, Mind Pump Past, Present & Future & MORE!

Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salta Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. Doug, I gotta do this old-school style. In this motherfucking episode of The Mind, this is- Oh, shit! This show was recorded in front of a live studio audience. Where are they? Yes! show was recorded in front of a live studio audience. We're there.

Starting point is 00:00:25 Yes. Episode 1000. Look, for the first 50 minutes, we do our... Right. Thank you guys, thanks. Conversation, this is before we get into the fitness stuff or the questions I should say. So here's what we talked about for the first 50 minutes.

Starting point is 00:00:39 Justin gives us a rundown of his Thunderbird ride. Yeah. He went up on the jet and almost died. It was an epic story that Adam kept jacking. We talked about the Airbnb. Tell it better, bro. Hidden camera problem. Apparently people are spying on each other through Airbnb rentals.

Starting point is 00:00:55 We talked about how Monsanto had to pay somebody $80 million. Apparently he had cancer from using glyphosate or spraying his property with glyphosate. Weird. Yeah, you hear that lane? Hmm. Hmm. Then we talked about Reese's peanut butter cups. from using glyphosate or spraying his property with glyphosates. We're here. Yeah, you hear that Lane? Mm. Mm. Then we talked about Reese's peanut butter cups. They're reversing them.

Starting point is 00:01:10 Is that what's going on at them? We got peanut butter on the outside. Yeah, I had to give them explode. That's right. We talked about the cardinals. I think that's a baseball team. Cell phone. There's a baseball team too.

Starting point is 00:01:19 You are right there. Okay, breaks. This is what I'm talking about. Son of a bitch. Anyway, during practice, they give them breaks so they can check their Instagram accounts on self on poor guys. What world are we living in? Then we talked about the new cryptocurrency from Facebook.

Starting point is 00:01:32 Say what? We talked about the guy who stole $75 million from Facebook and Google, how? He just asked them, he gave me this money and it worked. He's like, here, I'm building you. Is that really stealing? Maybe not. Then we talked this money and it worked. He's like, here, I'm building you. Is that really stealing? Maybe not. Then we talked about Adam's new hobby.

Starting point is 00:01:48 He's rowing. That's right, he's using a rower. Are you becoming a cardio queen? Maybe. Maybe. And then here's what we did. We have our live studio audience. These are people we hand selected to come attend this live

Starting point is 00:01:59 1000 episode event. And each of them got a chance to ask us a question. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna run through these questions real fast. There's about 14 of them. Here's what we talked about. Somebody asked us what we would talk about if we did a TED talk.

Starting point is 00:02:13 I would do one, Justin Adams said they wouldn't. We talked about advice we give to our 20 year old selves, we're a condom. We talked about the most surprising outcomes in starting Mind Pump. We talked about how to program for self, in other words how to design workouts for yourself. We talked about the next Mind Pump mission.

Starting point is 00:02:31 What are we doing next after we accomplish all of our goals? We talked about our greatest influencers and mentors. We talked about our individual legacies, Adam wants a arena filled of people attending his funeral. Adam. Adam. Adam. Then we answer the question, will people ever switch from focusing on aesthetics to general health, by the way, Mapsesthetic is on sale?

Starting point is 00:02:54 Then we talked about how to avoid spreading yourself too thin in business. We talked about the next 1000 episodes, what are those going to look like? Somebody asked us, were all personal trainers be replaced by technology, robot, trainer? Do it. Yes, five more Burpees. Excellent joke. I don't know. Somebody asked us, how to handle clients

Starting point is 00:03:14 that are not motivated, you just punch them, make some do everything. The difficult times that were. It's not a good idea. Grateful for just some talks about time you cried in the shower. And our biggest fear and how we overcame them Also, I'd like to tell everybody right now listen if you're listening this episode when it drops

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Starting point is 00:04:27 So did I tell you guys what happened with Enzo outside? I saw him washing the windows. Yeah, so yeah, walk that. So Doug's like, wash the windows out there, you know, the big thing with the squeegee or whatever. And he was, the kid had no idea what was going on. He never done manual labor and his entire life said to help him wash the windows. I noticed he has no calluses on his little pretty hands.

Starting point is 00:04:47 No, no. I want to hear about your... I have been waiting all day to talk about this. Oregon squeezing. Dude. It's funny, people need to know this. So we come in this morning, right, to set up and everything. And I was the first one here just to walk in and I'm like, hurry up and tell me before Adam gets to. I didn't even want to tell you, but you like dragged it out of me.

Starting point is 00:05:06 Told me the whole story, they had to keep it a secret so that Adam could hear it during the podcast. Yeah, I haven't heard any of this. It's been driving me crazy all day long because I feel so jealous that he got to go do it and I didn't go up with him. And I'm like, you got to get me in there next time. Sal says, oh, you might want to talk to Justin first.

Starting point is 00:05:23 Yeah. Well, I mean, to talk about this, like we got approached by Major Jason Markson. And he's a fan of the show. He'd listen to the show. They actually ran some of our programs, maps, performance, and with him and one of his other pilots, too.

Starting point is 00:05:40 And they both, like, just loved Mind Pump. And they became fans. And so they reached out to us and we're like, Hey, any of you guys want to go up into F-16 fighter jet? Hell no. Hell yes. Right? Hell yes.

Starting point is 00:05:53 Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes.

Starting point is 00:06:01 Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. Hell yes. for your son. Dude, you did tell him about the whole process. You get there and they do this whole, cause you didn't fly till three, but you got there at like, yeah, no, I got there at like 12, 15 and they debrief you for like a couple hours. Like I had a few different sergeants kind of take me into a room and like do this whole safety protocol.

Starting point is 00:06:16 And so they're like trying to break down like all these like little nuances of how to put on this G suit. So did it fit real, it looks snug. No, dude. He's looks snug. No, dude. He's asted. No man. Like these guys are skinny. Like, you know, like no disrespect,

Starting point is 00:06:31 but like there was actually, no, I take that back. There was one, one of the guys there. I had a cut holes in it, yeah. One of the guys there was just like this yoked competitor, I guess, and he's, he's another guy that was listening to Mind Pump and so it's my guy. Yeah, that's your guy, right? Oh, actually, there's a guy that was listening to Mind Pump. And so it's my guy. Yeah, that's your guy, right? Oh, actually,

Starting point is 00:06:45 he's funny story about this, actually, Adam. So anyway, they did their research to find out like who I was, you know, cause I'm kind of big deal. So they Googled me and they found your picture. That's how cool I am. Like what the fuck? He's like, Oh, this guy's buff, you know, cool.

Starting point is 00:07:02 I've a lot in common or whatever. And then you saw that like who I was. He was like, oh, no, this is him. Oh, the other guy. It's like, oh, this guy's buff. You know, cool. I've a lot in common or whatever. And then you saw that like who I was. He's like, oh, no, this is him. Oh, the other guy. It's like, oh, he's showing stuff. Like he's the other guy. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:12 Like, I guess you work out or whatever. Yeah, cool. So what's debriefing? What are they telling you? What you can't push the red button, right? I'm assuming you can't do that. Yeah, well, no, they, I mean, there's just so many things that you have to cover, you know, to cover their asses for one,

Starting point is 00:07:25 just to like kind of show me how everything works and how to like buckle everything. And then like what happens if you do it wrong and like all these different things, like what it does, so it has like a bladder inside this, these pants that actually will compress your legs to make sure that the blood goes back up towards your brain. Fluid?

Starting point is 00:07:44 No, it's just air. Like it's air that shoots in through this little hose. Like old-school MC Hammer pants? No, dude, they squeeze his legs because when you're corset, when you're hitting G's, the blood comes out of your brain. How the fuck do you know? I looked it up. I looked it up.

Starting point is 00:08:00 You watched Top Gun twice, you also said because of fucking expert on it. Actually, we were talking, Doug and I were talking. I was actually pretty like spot on with his G. That weird. Definitely, and I didn't want to tell you that, but he was contesting you there. Yeah, I felt like a headless. I was riding a Yankee up there.

Starting point is 00:08:15 So you did like what? Nine point something G's? Nine point three. Well, tell him, tell him the whole thing. So you go up there. So I'm going to. He's a terrible storyteller. It's okay.

Starting point is 00:08:25 We got a fucking hijack in it. It's beginning middle. No, I'm right in the beginning. And you got all day to practice. You had all day to practice. I said, a thousand episodes, you let me finish my story. I don't know. I mean, go.

Starting point is 00:08:38 So I get, oh, hyper speed this for you since you guys have no attention. No, no, I'm right. Debriefing, come on. You're telling me about the buckles, since you guys have like no attention. No, no, I'm right. Debriefing, come on. You're in the, telling you about the buckles, which you can and can't do. Right, so then we get into finally, like, let's just hyper speed to like where I'm about to get on the plane.

Starting point is 00:08:52 And like, I'm going through this whole process where everybody's lined up, so they made this big production out of it and like, everybody's out there and they have all these like cool handshakes you're supposed to do with them. You know how awkward I am with handshakes, right? Yeah. I fucked it up like the first guy. I did.

Starting point is 00:09:09 Yes. I was like, no. Like that was like my only like I was trying in my head. I was like, they gave me too many options. So like you can do like a fist bump. You can do like a high five. Wait a second. You had to think of the the handshake you were gonna do before you

Starting point is 00:09:23 you got out of there. Yeah, because okay, there's a line of the the handshake you were gonna do before you you got out of there Yeah, because okay There's a line of the guys before I get to the airplane and they're all like so the pilot before me He's doing all these handshakes with them all these cool things and I was like Stuff for the day. Yeah exactly all that stuff and like hey and like little slaps on the buttware and So I'm going through and I'm like okay I'm gonna give him a little high five slap and then maybe a fist bump.

Starting point is 00:09:48 The so-cow-handshake. What the hell was I thinking? Like a double thing? Yeah. No. Fucked it up. Slap and then he was like, ah. What was that?

Starting point is 00:10:00 It's like I had to warn everybody else. We're not even in the jet. We're not even in the jet yet. We're not even in the jet yet. I ruined it, right? I'm like trying to make her for nerves or go like crazy. Oh yeah, I was like, oh no, like yeah, I started like turning a little bit.

Starting point is 00:10:11 And so I get through everybody else. I'm like, I warn them, I'm like, okay, high five then bump. High five then bump. And I'm like saying it as I'm going down the line. You know, just a warning, I don't want to screw it up. And so then I stand in front of it. And then you actually have to put the pants on right there before you get on the plane

Starting point is 00:10:29 because you can't fucking walk in those things. Like, it's so tight and it took me like forever to put on. Of course, you know, the pilot puts on. So I have my, you're walking out and high-five fist bump. High-five fist bump. No pants on. No, I had a jumpsuit on and these pants go over those. Oh, okay.

Starting point is 00:10:47 Yeah, so I know. Great story talk. Yeah, I think I'm on my own. He was trying to paint the picture in his head. I was. I'm like, he had a different idea. I did. So now I get to the pants on, I get into the plane. The plane is like the most confined space I've ever been in.

Starting point is 00:11:04 Right? So there's nowhere for me to even move and shift my weight or anything. I probably had a centimeter gap between my thighs like this. It's not made for cakes. No. No. Is it not comfortable at all? I mean, I wedged it once I got in.

Starting point is 00:11:20 I was wedged too. God, I feel like a coffin. I was just like, okay. But I actually felt comfortable because I knew I needed a hug. I needed everything to like, I thought I'd take that. I thought I'd thunder vest.

Starting point is 00:11:32 Yeah, I was like a thunder vest. I was like, where's the ejection seat button? Right between my legs. Oh wow. Like my piece kept hitting it and it was like, it was bad. I was like really nervous that I was gonna hit it too hard. Yes, so what's going to your head right now? Are you scared to death yet?

Starting point is 00:11:46 Are you like getting excited? Like after they debriefed you to they calm you down or does it make it worse? So the day before I was really nervous, I had like, yeah, I know we saw it. Next day, no, like it was weird. I was like way too confident. Like, like not, like I should have been scared.

Starting point is 00:12:01 It's all the top gun iron eagle videos. Yeah, it was like popping myself up, doing all this like movie watching. And this colon name was porkins, he said. Yeah, like Star Wars. They gave that to me at the end. Yeah, they make little acronyms for this and then the writing. I saw they painted your name on the fucking jet.

Starting point is 00:12:17 Yeah, bro, that's cool. Yeah, that threw me off. I was like, whoa, my name's on here. Like, I didn't do anything. What the fuck am I doing here? Like, you guys are the Brad Pitt apocalypse. You see me? I mean, I do have that.

Starting point is 00:12:30 Yeah, I got that kind of secret. Okay, so you're starting to calm down, you get in, the, okay, you got everything locked in. Does he just take the, is there like a, is there code words they say before the thing drops down? Like, what happened? Is it all silent? No, he's like, like, he was being funny.

Starting point is 00:12:43 He's like, hands and feet inside the cockpit, you know, like it like lowers down the canopy. And so it was funny because because Major Jason was a fan, like I was just talking shit to him, like the whole time. I'm like, dude, let's listen to like Metallica or something. You know, like, let's, let's fucking rage. And like everybody's kind of like doing these weird hand signals and like sending us off.

Starting point is 00:13:06 And we get to the end of the tarmac and they're like making us wait there for like five minutes. And I'm like, dude, let's go. He's like, and then we finally got the okay from the tower and he's like, are you ready? And I'm like, dude, enough for play. Let's fuck. I literally said that.

Starting point is 00:13:24 I was like, yeah, you're still a little bit more. Wow, that was too much. Yeah. I got too excited. And so then we take off and they do this maneuver where like they take off and it seems cool and then boom, like you go like vertical. And right away.

Starting point is 00:13:43 Yeah, just right away. And I mean, you'll see in the video, I'll probably put what does it take off feel like in comparison like a normal jet when you're flying commercial? It's like, is it like that? And then it gets faster or is it like just the minute you get it? So you strapped yourself to a bomb.

Starting point is 00:13:57 You just, and you go straight up. And then I was doing, like he had this whole plant out and he was showing me with this like, this plain model, like everything that we were gonna do, like being inverted, we were gonna do these crazy with back flips and like corkscrew rolls, and fly upside down, and bank really hard and get all these G's, his whole goal was to get me like nine G's and do this multiple times.

Starting point is 00:14:23 And no point here you're telling them to, like hey, you don't need to show off for me or anything I just want to take a cruise around the block and then tell my friends yeah yeah that's what I would so he so with the takeoff how many Gs did you hit on the takeoff so I was like I was like pressed back to my seat and my whole like cheeks were like I felt like I was like stroking out you you know, like, and he's like, yeah, those four Gs. Oh, no. I was like, holy shit, dude. And you know you're gonna go nine. Did they tell you that?

Starting point is 00:14:50 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, as he work you up to that, is it like, okay, we're at four right now, I'm gonna take you to five. Oh, okay. Yeah, and so he takes, so we fly out further, we have to get to like this airspace where he can really like, really like step on it.

Starting point is 00:15:05 And so we start like picking up speed and I just confirmed with him it was like 600 miles an hour. We ended up going at a certain point and then he started to do all this maneuvering and I forget all the names of all these different like maneuvers they do but like I just knew I was getting thrown around. And like one of the first ones we did was a eight point kind of barrel roll. And so he would do it where it was kind of jerky where we go this way, let me go this way, let me go this way, and we turn until we're all the way inverted. And then we'd stop and I was upside down and hanging, looking at the world just with my seatbelt.

Starting point is 00:15:45 And my ass was off the chair and I was like, hanging like this. And I'm like, ah! Like nothing was holding me except for this little buckle. Oh wow. And I'm like staring at like, imminent death.

Starting point is 00:15:57 And so after that, I was like, what the fuck, what am I doing? Now did you get this? What did he see trying to fuck with you? Or is that what? No, he was trying to make it cool. Like he was trying to make me have fun, everything, but I doing? Now, what did he do? He's trying to fuck with you? Or is that what I'm doing? No, he was trying to make it cool. He was trying to make me have fun, everything. But I was just like, what does 9G feel like?

Starting point is 00:16:09 You know how? That was like, dude, I can handle this. You know, that's your asshole. That was an asshole move. I was being, I was totally not going there like that. But he take it easy. No, no, no, no. So we started doing all that.

Starting point is 00:16:19 And then, and then he's like, okay, we're gonna start working on your G. And so he'd go to 5G, so he starts turning kind of hard. And that was the first time where it really started to kind of ramp up where I felt like, I don't know how to describe it. It almost looks like what Arnold looked like in total recall, where he's just,

Starting point is 00:16:42 yeah, he's melting in Mars. Yeah, just like his eyes are popping out like that's what it felt like was happening He said that it felt like his DNA was separating and body that was when I hit nine G's like I felt like my DNA is like scrambling Like can you see anything like are you are you just fucking well like I could see probably like this much like in front of me And like the rest of it is just You know now are you and you're just tensing your body? What are you doing? Yes, you have to sit and you have to bear down and like dig your your legs into the ground So you have to really like tighten up your legs to really squeeze

Starting point is 00:17:17 The blood back up to your head. So oh really I could totally see how people pass out like immediately and like Were you instructed to keep tension like that Mm-hmm. That's the technique that they have to do is all part of the briefing that we just blew past that's why so he messaged me a while ago And he said that He wanted us to create a fitness program for them specifically for that because it's exhausting It's really like I'm still exhausted today. You know from doing. And what was the total time up there, even? So we did an hour and 20 minutes. Oh, shit. Which was the longest anybody was flying for an hour and 20 minute.

Starting point is 00:17:50 Now, it can't all be like this. No, it wasn't. And it was a special case. So where'd you guys go, Florida and back? I mean, that going that fast, you should be able to get there and back. We could have. But he decided to do a lot more like fucking looped loops

Starting point is 00:18:03 and, you know, crazy shit. Did you throw up? I didn't know you were in there that long. It's a long time. So that's the end of the story, right? Oh, okay. So, story skipper. Yeah, I'm back.

Starting point is 00:18:12 You threw up? So, okay, I'll get to that. I will get to that, Adam. I was, so we went through all that and he, he was like, how are you doing? I'm like, oh, I'm okay. And once we hit the 9G is really like, how he hits 9G is when they do this hair point turn,

Starting point is 00:18:28 like this hair pin turn. So he just like goes, I don't know if it's 600 miles an hour or whatever, but he just goes as fast he can and then turns on a dime, like the other way. So that's what creates the 9G. That's what creates the whip. And it's nine times your body weight, right? That's what you're doing.

Starting point is 00:18:43 I don't know how can that be right. Am I right? Yeah. Oh my God, dude. Yeah, you're right. Thousand episodes. No. Thousand episodes.

Starting point is 00:18:51 Thousand something pounds of pressure on you. No. We'll confirm with it. If you laid on the ground, I put a thousand pounds of your chest. It's not in one area. It's on your entire body. Dude, you say that.

Starting point is 00:19:00 You weren't there, bro. Okay. I'm serious. It was like, that's like a refrigerator laying on top of you. That broke. He came in and he was telling me the story. It was telling a refrigerator. I can handle stress, right?

Starting point is 00:19:11 I'm okay. I can handle stress, but like. I'll dive you through up. I didn't know. Well, I didn't throw up. Okay. All right. And I didn't pass out and you can see the footage until

Starting point is 00:19:25 so we get through all this thing. He actually, there was one point to where everything kind of calmed down and he was like, all right, why don't you take over and fly? And why don't you do fucking lie? Not lying, I mean, lying. So there's this, there's a choice to buy here. And there was, there was like a button to it.

Starting point is 00:19:44 No, they don't have any bombs or anything on there. Like any missiles. What's that? I was kind of bummed out about that. Like that was kind of cool. Of course not. Well, I know that house, fuck that guy. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:53 So there's this like, joy stick. And I was at that point, what really got me and what got me sort of queasy was when we kept going upside down and then rolling slow. I just, I got like disoriented and you were too tough to tell him that. Yes, 100%. And so I was like, oh, and he's like, okay, well, you take over the control and so I started to grab it and like, I just barely kind of move it. And like, roll it.

Starting point is 00:20:17 I was like, you know what? I'm just going to relax. Get a couple breaths, man. Enjoy the scenery. And I'm like holding my mask and it's kind of sitting back. Turn up the oxygen. He was gonna let you fly for a minute. Yeah, dude.

Starting point is 00:20:34 What? Yeah, he was. I blew it. Or is it like a pretend thing? He thought I was doing well. Is what? Yeah, you faked it, Ellen. Totally.

Starting point is 00:20:43 And then I, and so then he's like, I think he figured it out because he's like, all right, let's go back to the base. And so we started like flying. It took a while, like probably like 20 minutes to get back to the base. And then we get there and we're ready to drop in. And he's like, okay, we got to do kind of a low approach.

Starting point is 00:20:59 And so he gets down low and then like, banks kind of hard again. I'm like, oh, you know, I'm feeling a little more g's. And then we start to kind of descend. And then the tower is like, hold on and stops us. And it's like, well, there's two other planes that need an emergency landing because they're low on fuel. And so like, fuck.

Starting point is 00:21:19 And so like they takes back off, we fly around again. Plus the tower, like it's off-gun. Iron Eagle is hard to do, right? Yeah, that would have been sick, but no, we fly around again. Plus the tower like a top gun. Iron Eagle is hard to do it right? Yeah, that would have been sick, but no, we didn't do that. No, we were just coasting and so we're going like slow and we're just doing this sort of lap. I'm doing one lap and it's like, he's turning really slow and so I'm like leaning over just,

Starting point is 00:21:39 ugh. And finally like the third lap, like he started to ask me, like we're talking shit and I was like, woo, I'm glad I didn't puke or anything. Like I'm like, my breath stinks. You know, I'm talking about my breath because I was like super dehydrated at this point and I'm smelling his own breath in this mask.

Starting point is 00:21:57 And he's like, yeah, at least you didn't puke in your mask. You know, I'd be way worse. I'm like, yeah, that would be worse. And he's like, well, we'll have a drink after, like what's your favorite beer? And I was like, beer. Beer. Beer.

Starting point is 00:22:10 Oh. Just like, I just leaned back. Just, like, yeah, funny story. I pushed the mic, I pushed the mic. I pushed my mask off, and I'm just like this, and trying to catch some air. And I just was like like this is coming up This is not you know avoidable anymore and so I have a bag like taped to my leg and he's grabbed the bag and I'll just

Starting point is 00:22:36 Shit just just like you were that close to leg open this close dude So like I could have been a champion. You know, was this close? Did you get me on your shirt? Did I see it? I got like little chunks. Oh, it was here and I was like really, but the last, I think it was the last push. Like just kind of came down.

Starting point is 00:22:58 I had some of my chin. Oh girl. I hear a little bit here. I hear a photo and I grab it and I'm like, oh, you flick it off of the cock. I tried to get it off of me. I'm a little bit here. Don't get a photo. And I grab it and I'm like, oh. You flick it off of the cock. I'm trying to get it off of me. I didn't want any evidence.

Starting point is 00:23:09 You know, even though he has a camera looking at me and I'm like, oh no, he knows. You know, I was like trying to breath. How's it going up there? You know, he's like, are you feeling? I'm like, oh. Dude, what's crazy to me is these dudes fucking do that and control the plane, know where they're at,

Starting point is 00:23:26 know what to do. It doesn't make any sense. Imagine having to fight in the air while hitting those kinds of G's, that's crazy. I would also imagine they over years of hours and hours of flying, they've worked out to that type of fly. Yeah, they do.

Starting point is 00:23:37 They probably cruise around blocks for quite some time before they're doing shit like that. When you got to consider though, is like when you see like a top level athlete, like an NBA player and you're like, oh, that's the one percent of the one percent in the world. And I could practice all day long. I'll never be as good as them.

Starting point is 00:23:52 These guys are, they're fighter pilots. Right. So I land, right? So finally we land, like all the birds are gone. And we get down and I get out. And so he decides to kind of, everybody's like lined up there to kind of address us or clap and whatever, step down and he's kind of addressing them,

Starting point is 00:24:10 making the speech and then he's like, yeah, and the floor is yours. And I'm just like, like trying to like just find balance again, you know, I'm supposed to talk to these guys. What did I say? Like, what am I supposed to say? Like, you know, I'm supposed to talk to these guys. What did you say? Like, what am I supposed to say? Like, you know, fitness and truth.

Starting point is 00:24:29 Nutrition. Doug, how did his face look when he came out of the- Little bit white. Was he a little white? Did you not shoot any after that or were you done? No, I shot a bunch after that. Okay, so you do. Okay, we haven't seen the photo yet.

Starting point is 00:24:41 I want to see the photo. So when they're pulling 9G's, do you even, even like can you even Comprehend what's going on? Can you move your arms? No, you can't move any you're like plastered to the seat you're like you're literally just Just blasted like I felt like I was gonna explode Like my body was just exploding but all my clothes were keeping them together. Would you do it again? No, oh shit like that really yeah

Starting point is 00:25:08 For Justin to say that let me just let me just let me put this How many how many how many how many times is an adult? Have you spun around? Yeah, no, I would really hard I would have told the first time that's cool No more I did my kids like I was out like throwing the ball for my dog and everything. They're not hitting my knees though. Like, and then I got like wind in like, whoa, where am I? You know, like, now imagine that like times a million.

Starting point is 00:25:34 What's the little thing the fucking thing the playground? I can't even do that anymore. Yeah. You know, the one that you run, the kids run on and they, they don't, you know, they don't have those anymore. They don't have those anymore. They don't have those anymore. Really? No, anymore really no the dangerous. Yeah the big metal spinning

Starting point is 00:25:47 Yeah, yeah, everything's too dangerous dude kids get stuck under those things Yeah, like they'll spin in the kid. Oh, I'm a legs. There's dead kids under those You're stupid back in the day. It was a little different dude. That's oh my god That's crazy those guys do that and they're able to know what they're doing You're scared dude. I have I have so much respect for them. I was put that out there. It doesn't make sense. They're insane people, but I appreciate that.

Starting point is 00:26:12 So did you get to learn, how do you become a Thunderbird? I guess you have to have this crazy, awesome resume within the Armed Forces and how I recommend they shut down some migs. I don't know about combat experience and all that. I don't know. They didn't tell me any of that. within, you know, the Armed Forces and how much recommend they shut down some migs? I don't know about combat experience and all that. I don't know. They didn't like tell me any of that. But like, you go through this rigorous process and like, you know, all these people,

Starting point is 00:26:33 a ton of people apply to the program because it's a rad program. I mean, you get to do like fun stuff and take people up and do a lot of marketing and all this kind of stuff. But like, I guess there's this panel of like 12 officers that all grill you and then you have to have a certain number. I think it's like 700 something hours of

Starting point is 00:26:49 fight like like flight F-16 hours in the air and doing all these different like stunts. So they're all bad asses. They're all just the elite of the elite. These guys are celebrities. Yeah. In the in the armed forces, they're literally like celebrities. You know when they say he's a fighter pilot or whatever. It's a big deal. Yeah, so very big deal. I was on base and they were telling me, like I was talking to a lot of the soldiers walking around and like hadn't met any of them yet

Starting point is 00:27:11 and they're like, you'll know when they get here. Like they're just a league of their own. Oh, yeah, you was like that. You were like, so I brought up gun-esque. Oh, yeah. Did they tell you the how much one of those planes cost? So $26 million. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:24 $26 million. Yeah, so imagine you're in charge of a $26 million and it burns a few hundred thousand dollars in gasoline. Yeah, probably, probably, right? That's crazy, man. That's insane. So it was mind blowing, it was like a life changing experience. So you think you're okay now, or do you think something happened to you a little bit?

Starting point is 00:27:41 I can't believe you wouldn't do it. I know, it was like brain got scrambled a little bit. Really? Or it cleared out? I might have cleared out wouldn't do it. You know, it's like brain got scrambled a little bit. Really? Yeah. Or it cleared out or now. I might have cleared out some beta amyloid plaques out of your brain. Exactly. Just suck your mind out.

Starting point is 00:27:51 Put them in your foot. No, who knows? Anyway. Yeah. Are you doing it? Do you want to do it now, still? I do. Really?

Starting point is 00:27:59 Yeah, I'll speak up, bro. I won't let them do that to me. And I want to have a fucking spinning around, no way. You think it's going to take you up there, so you can fucking cruise like a big baby. I'm not going to say I'm not going to do a fucking spinning around no way you think is gonna take you up there So you can just like a big baby. No, I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna do a loop or two But after a couple those I'm not gonna let them do it. I don't want to be like Whatever he puts a he puts my name on the side of the jet I get to go get up go down like I'm cool like that's I don't need to do all the other side I would most certainly would not act too tough

Starting point is 00:28:25 if it was starting to fucking mess with my gut. I would say so. I wanted to do two, so I wanted to do two 9G pulls in a row. That was our goal and saw his pissed. Cause there's no way that was happening. You're like never. That's crazy. I think I would've exploded.

Starting point is 00:28:40 Good for you man, I'm glad you did. I'm glad you did it for us. Yeah, I'm very proud that my friend did that. Sal tried to scare me, that's as close as he's gonna get. Hill, I know somebody. I never wanted to, I gotta get out of here. You can use me all you want. You know what's funny?

Starting point is 00:28:52 I got the DM, right? Because he DM me and I read it and he's like, I wanna fly you guys up and I'm like, fuck, I know Adam and Justin are gonna wanna do this. Do I tell them? Cause I almost thought to myself like, I'm not gonna tell them cause then they're gonna make me do this. But, being the selfless person that I am,

Starting point is 00:29:08 I gave it to you guys. Luckily it was just one person though. Yeah. Luckily, I got to shit it in the stick. I got to shit it in the stick. Yeah. That's what you think. Anyway.

Starting point is 00:29:17 So did you guys see the article on Airbnb and the hidden cameras that people are finding? No. People are complaining to Airbnb because they're renting these houses, which we've done many times. And people's cameras are running. And they're finding cameras and think about it.

Starting point is 00:29:33 If you own this house and you're renting it out, I don't know, dude, but think about all the crazy, almost all the ones that we, almost everyone that we go to have cameras. I don't mind seeing them all the time. They're really? Yeah. In the room, too. Yeah, I just hope that. Yeah, no, I don't, yeah, I don't, when we go Airbnb, I just I might see them all time. Really? Yeah. In the room, too. I just, wait, I just hope that.

Starting point is 00:29:45 Oh. Yeah, no, I don't, yeah, I don't, when we go ARB and B, I just cut off the masturbation for that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I go, I go, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can, I can have stained for just in three days. Just in three days. Just in married.

Starting point is 00:29:57 That's like masturbation time. Come on, dude. That's like my only time. He brings costumes. No one's gonna, he brings what? Costumes. Oh, I think they said condoms for my son. He's so safe No one's gonna... He brings what? Costumes. Oh, if they said condoms for my self. He's so safe, you know.

Starting point is 00:30:07 I'm sorry, that elaborate. No, but that's creepy, dude. That's creepy. So I read this story about how the sky saw the cameras in there and didn't know if they were live or what was going on. I had just read it right now on them hitting like, they're on their 500 millionth visit

Starting point is 00:30:22 or whatever that someone's used it. Really? Oh, they're just blowing up like talk about a disruptive Business. Oh, yeah, you know hotels are freaking out about that We talked about this like man. Are they though are hotels really I mean There's some I think that it's they're they're going to have a hard time staying or competing with it But I haven't heard anybody say that so some cities if'm not mistaken, some cities have actually tried to pass laws and saying that you can't have Airbnb because of that, because of the hotel lobbies and stuff.

Starting point is 00:30:52 Because hotels do good with like wedding receptions and you know, high school union and business meetings. But think about the rooms that people get and stuff and think about also how much Airbnb has already improved since we've been in. No, I agree with you. I've been touting them for a hell... I mean, Katrina and I've been using Airbnb and VRBO for 10 plus years. And when we first started, it literally was like you were just...

Starting point is 00:31:16 You were renting somebody's house that they were just gone for the weekend. Picture frames are up, they're closer in the dresser drawer. It was like that. It's now a wall to be like... Now they'll give you the single serve shampoo. Yeah, you feel like that. It's now a wall to be like, you know, they'll give you like the single serve shampoo. Yeah, you feel like you're going to a hotel. There's no pictures, there's no, none of their stuff is there.

Starting point is 00:31:31 Oh, because what's happening is this people are coming in and they're buying up. Like we use Tahoe Gidoway's, which is just like a smaller version of that. And, you know, they own like 30, they buy up 30 of the nicest houses up there and then it doesn't allow anyone's ever lived in them. Oh no, and there's also,

Starting point is 00:31:48 cause this whole share economy is pretty crazy. My brother lives up in the city and he doesn't own a car, but when he comes down, he rents a car through a service that's like Airbnb. So it's people who rent their own cars to people. So my brother will get like a, you'll get like an Audi or a BMW, whatever. And it's not through like a rental agency.

Starting point is 00:32:08 It's through some dude using that service. Well, we speculate this before that less and less people will be buying things like that. Like why, why buy a Ferrari that you drive once every, you know, two months? That's it right there. It's the access to things is just continue to improve to the point where it's gonna make it less cool.

Starting point is 00:32:25 I mean, that can make that big of a deal. We already see it happening with influencers. They ran them all the time, take fucking photos, went over there and then cut their protein powder, cut them from the front of their successful. And then they take it, then they take it. I sold shreds, I got a Ferrari. Look at my kill in it.

Starting point is 00:32:38 Yeah, but anyway, these share economy things are so disruptive to just how business has always been done. I mean, think about all the other ways that you could share things. There's people who are renting out their homes as restaurants, even in some of these big cities. Well, I told you, you go to New York and rather than going to a restaurant.

Starting point is 00:32:59 Yeah, this is San Francisco does this too. Really? Yeah, you can someone will cook you a dinner. Like you have somebody who... And you have like three or four other people visiting and I mean, what a great experience. Have you tried anything like that? No, I wouldn't do that. Why?

Starting point is 00:33:10 I'm just weird. Why is it weird? Somebody's fucking house, I don't know. It's not, I'll let enough of you, knuckleheads go do it first, get your feet back and then go do it. Look at a bad rating if they kill you. Yes, they will.

Starting point is 00:33:19 They will. No more customers for you. Not good. Yeah, I don't know if I would do that yet. That's a little bit, and they do things I could, I forget where, I think my uncle was telling me about, where they have some places where you can rent a couch by the hour, so some people even say,

Starting point is 00:33:32 you can come sleep on my couch for two hours for a fee. So people that don't want to pay for the full price for a hotel room, they just want to get a nap in between or what that, you can rent a couch. So we always had a guy like that in college. Yeah. Oh, he wasn't paying you. He's so weird and just like, yeah. Yeah, he was a ba guy like that in college. Yeah. Oh, he wasn't paying you. So we'd just like, yeah, he was a baim on your kid.

Starting point is 00:33:48 Get out of here. He wasn't paying you. I don't know why they reminded me of this, just because it's the internet and there's crazy stuff. There's groups now, someone posted it in the forum. There's groups of men now who are signing up to meet each other to cuddle. Did you guys read this article?

Starting point is 00:33:59 What? Yeah, they're cuddle groups. They're fast. I mean, sign me up. Did you join us? No, not at all. I got no problems with now. But it's literally these are groups of men who want to just join in cuddle.

Starting point is 00:34:11 I think they're just, I think they're just trying to, they're confused. I think they're trying to go for it all the way. Oh yeah. You saw this on Facebook? This was in our forum. Is this a spooning kind of cuddle or what? They're men who want to literally just,

Starting point is 00:34:24 they said they just want to cuddle with each other Yeah, it's like a wrestle party. Yeah anyway Like the old day. Did you see the did you see they finally settled the Monanto suit did you see that 80 million dollars? So they're saying that it gave him cancer to be exposed to all He had like yeah Well, he had like what poison oak or something like that around his house And he just that's what he used to keep it down. He was constantly spraying it, spraying it,

Starting point is 00:34:46 spraying it, you're in, you're out all the time. And then, I guess they, I know they, we talked about it like, I don't know, it's been going on for months now, right? When it first happened. Yeah, and then it was just settled though. So done, he's taking it, he's taking the money. He's taking 80 million.

Starting point is 00:35:00 But doesn't he have, I don't know what kind of, terminal cancer? Does he? I think you might. I don't know. Yeah, sucks. Yeah, well he? I think you might. I don't know. Yeah, sucks. Yeah, that's gonna do to him. Yeah, it's crazy to even think, because right now at this,

Starting point is 00:35:10 the amount of glyphosate states that are being sprayed into the earth, it's insane. It's like, I don't know how many millions of tons, but if you were to take like random rain water, the odds that you would find some glyphosate in that are actually relatively high. Yeah, it's like, you can't like avoid it. No.

Starting point is 00:35:27 So you're gonna come back as rain or whatever. Well, that's what, when you do that interview with Dr. Bush, that's what he was saying. Like, even if you're getting organic food, you're still getting a percentage of getting that in there. You're getting the soil is all fucked up from the right. Well, so think about that. If it's organic food or not. So he was telling me about that and he said that if we stopped using them, it would take

Starting point is 00:35:44 a hundred years for it to get cleared out. If we just stopped everything completely, but that's not matter if it's organic food or not. So he was telling me about that and he said that if we stopped using them, it would take a hundred years for it to get cleared out. If we just stopped everything completely, but that's not going to happen. But then I think about like when you're having like grass fed, you know, foods or whatever, are you really 100% good because they're eating grass that got rained on with all these life is said. You can't get away from it. They're finding it in breast milk. It's kind of a huge difference though.

Starting point is 00:36:03 Like it can't be close is it? I mean, the difference between going organic versus someone who's just going, Oh, yeah, you're not getting it sprayed directly on your food. You're getting kind of like, you know, leftover residue or whatever. Right. But to think that it has no impact on anything at all,

Starting point is 00:36:16 I think, is Asinine. It's going to have some kind of an impact. I know the way glyphosate's work is they interrupt something called the Shikamati pathway dog. Am I right about that? Even so. And that pathway is found. I'm wrong.

Starting point is 00:36:29 Yeah, huh? Shikamati. And it's found in bacteria. So it can interrupt this pathway and bacteria that can cause bacteria to die. And so we're spraying it all over the soil and essentially sterilizing the ground, sterilizing the earth. And we don't necessarily know what that means if that's, you know, bad or good,

Starting point is 00:36:47 but it's definitely different, you know what I mean? I brought some news for Justin. I got two things for you, because I can't ever talk sports with Sal. Yeah, let's just do this. I love sports balls, okay. The first one for you though, did you see the Reese's peanut butter cup?

Starting point is 00:37:00 What they're releasing? No. Yeah, so they're coming out with two new Reese's peanut butter cups and one of them's for the peanut butter lover And then ones for the chocolate lover so one is like the reverse so it's all like peanut butter on the outside with a little bit of chocolate in the middle How does that work? It's all like squishy. I don't know how how is that is that French for squishy duck and pull the picture up It looks like it looks like it looks yeah, it looks good and then Did you see did you see see with the cardinals,

Starting point is 00:37:26 the news with the new coach? There's a new young coach, like McHale, there. I did see that. So apparently they're getting like phone breaks, like cell phone breaks, so Instagram. The first, the first, so the brand new coach gets hired with the cardinals. And the first, you know, thing that he implements

Starting point is 00:37:42 is cell phone breaks for practice. So, and this is for practice. Yes. Wait, wait, like, break, like, okay guys, let's stop practicing. So the players can go over and check their social media. And he was quoted saying like they just, they want to get to it so bad that he wants to integrate

Starting point is 00:38:02 it into the practice instead of keeping them from at the entire practice. So there was this huge debate over how ridiculous this is. Now is this because they're just acting like children or is it because they're... Well, I think a lot of these athletes are 20, 22 years old and grew up with Instagram since they were kids. How long does it take? And they're now an NFL player, so they're just like, you know, getting messages

Starting point is 00:38:25 constantly. Or it did it to it. Yeah, but is it, maybe it's because they're building, like their side business, they're trying to build their brand and trying to attend to it? No. Well, they can justify it like that all they want. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:35 That's practice. No, it was, he was quoted for talking about them, then wanting to get to social media, not like it's, oh, we were trying to encourage them to build. What a hard life, man. You gotta, you gotta take a break from playing a game to go change. What I think is crazy is just that a coach would even think that he would need to do something like that's how much this is changing.

Starting point is 00:38:54 You're feeding into it. Like you got all the of course all the old coaches are going like what the fuck this is crazy. How was it in schools right now and high schools and stuff with cell phones are kids just well Justin's the one that cruises by a moment yeah I mean that's horrible I used to get that joke on Sal and Sal looked like what I do to many times people think don't have to respond to that

Starting point is 00:39:17 so what are they doing they're just talking to each other because I feel like you could cheat so easily now with cell phones and stuff what do you mean cheat? well you're in the classroom you just like oh you're talking about the high school kids stuff. Yeah, in our day, it was those big graphing calculators that we would like slide up. Don't we have inso nose?

Starting point is 00:39:32 You can ask him after we'd like memorize all the stuff. Dude, we used the right letters. Do you guys remember writing people letters? Can you still folder than us? Can you still fold the note thing where it like tucks in and you pull it out? Dude, you fucking one year younger than me, dude. What did you, nobody, nobody.

Starting point is 00:39:45 You never wrote letters? You're a liar. You just wrote penicillin. You're Sarah. You look so great today. You guys never did that? You never did that, like. Send.

Starting point is 00:39:54 Do you like me? Yes, no, maybe. Oh yeah, those, those thing. What do you call that? Kudikeacher. Kudikeacher. It's a Kudikeacher. I picked four, one, two, three, four.

Starting point is 00:40:02 Yeah, those are, those are pretty cool. I did that, yeah. Anyway, so, here's some cool cool news Facebook is gonna be creating their own crypto currency. Oh really? Yeah, I'm just taking after crypto after it took a shit. Yeah, well, I don't even check my money on that ever No, thanks Adam. Yeah, hang on to it. You know 30 maybe 40 years later I don't bounce back Adam's whole his whole pitch was I'm still people gonna buy drugs online Yeah, so you know they're gonna be what's always gonna be there actually. It's whole pitch was. People are gonna buy drugs online. So you know, they're gonna be,

Starting point is 00:40:26 oh, it's gonna be there. Actually, it's not a bad thing. That's the truth. Yes, it is the truth. And I certainly wouldn't sell mine right now. Except when the guy dies that he has all the shares. Yeah, that can fuck you. That sucks.

Starting point is 00:40:36 So anyway, so they're gonna use a cryptocurrency so people can buy things through Facebook with this currency. So, I mean, and here's the thing with the... Well, imagine just the fact that Facebook is adopting them. Facebook is massive. What that's gonna do to crypto period. Just the fact that Facebook is going to adopt something like that

Starting point is 00:40:53 will initially drive everything. No, that is big news. Oh, it's great, because how many, I mean, we've talked about this before. Facebook is the most informed entity on earth of its citizens or users or whatever. They know everything about their people way more than anybody else. And it's all voluntary shit.

Starting point is 00:41:09 So it's like, they creep me out. They know what you do, but they also know what you like, what you comment on, what you say. So, you know, then they're creating this cryptocurrency. It's gonna be really interesting how they're gonna sell you shit and stuff like that. When's it being implemented? Right now they're investing in blockchain technology.

Starting point is 00:41:25 This was reported by Bloomberg, so it's still a little bit of speculation, but they did hire a crypto team in their San Francisco office, I think it said. It's hopefully tightened up their infrastructure. Do you remember what happened to them just recently? Oh, so this guy, this guy stole Oh, so this guy, this guy stole, well between Google and Facebook, it was 75 million that he grifted basically by sending them bills. He just sent them bills and I said, just send them bills, you know, from some random company that's like, hey, I'm a software company from Taiwan or whatever. And they just paid it. They're just like, oh, we got to pay the bills.

Starting point is 00:42:00 Doug and I were just having conversations around shit like this. I mean, when shit's coming in and out so fast and you're paying contractors how easily you could slide in And just be like oh, yeah, the two grand for that Mike upgrade thing we fix audio whatever and like okay It's like old-school burglar guy You know so think how much did he get out of how much is you 75 million? You know what I think when I hear this how much time how much how busted is he well? He's busted yet 50 back, but they're still the rest of it's like spent Yeah, all over the place. You know what I think when I hear this 75 million

Starting point is 00:42:31 I think wouldn't idiot he could have got away with five you know I'm saying he had to get greedy he got greedy he kept going you know, you know He's a hero put on Amazon, you know except they're probably tight well the other question would be then how many others have already How many of the guys did walk away? Yeah, you know what this reminds me of? What was the, what was that movie, The Office? Remember when they do that, they move the desk at the point. Oh yeah, it's like a fraction of a penny.

Starting point is 00:42:55 Yeah, it's deposited over another count. Yeah, yeah, that's the remind me. It's the perfect crime. Oh, that's how it works. Anyway, Adam, how's your new rowing routine going? I'm actually really enjoying it. Now, what kind of a rower did you get? A water rower.

Starting point is 00:43:07 Yeah, I know that, but what is it like? How many are they? Two grand, three grand? Two. Two thousand. So it's like a legit. You can get them for a wait. I mean, you can get them for like 500 bucks,

Starting point is 00:43:15 but why would you get one for two? Well, I read all the reviews on all of them and most of the ones that were cheaper were getting bad reviews for something a piece breaking off or some shit like that. And oh, you know It's decent, you know if you're like an old grandma rolling on it. I know I'm gonna get after it So like I wanted I wanted a commercial one for my house, which I know is kind of an asshole. Are you dude swimming?

Starting point is 00:43:33 Really? I know what the hell's going on here? Just when you think I'm over here Pilates next Yes, maybe I was doing it just I don't know how you like. I don't know what's the technique. Are you is this all because you're trying to be Ben Greenfield? Is that now? I mean, I of course that there's some hidden motivation for that. Is that still going on or is that? It never was anything official. It's just been some friendly shit talking between him and I via text message I'm about to get out now a little bit? Whoa, whoa. Whoa.

Starting point is 00:44:06 I'm coming out strong. No one fucking said that. I'm not gonna claim that there's a date like that's happening right now. None of that's happened. It's been playful and fun right now. Absolutely. I'll be training to make sure that if he does call me out that I fucking could back it up.

Starting point is 00:44:19 Bro, you had trunks made. What happened? Oh, are you gonna read them out? Yeah, don't spoil that. Okay, fine. But I just, we'll tell our audience how far far about us. We'll just say that we're gonna add fuel to the fire, is all. Yeah, no, I have some plans.

Starting point is 00:44:32 The rowing was to compliment that. So then and the rowing is partially, you know, getting ready for dad life a little bit. So I wanted something at the house where, why, why getting ready for dad life, what do you mean? Well, you know, if I can't come back over here to the gym, if I'm going to be, I know there'll be some time where I'm going to be over there and not coming over here at all for a while. And so I want access to something like that.

Starting point is 00:44:53 So in case you have like all this extra time because you have a new baby, you're going to go do a little cardio on the garage. Probably you wrote, you wrote, you wrote for about 15, 20 minutes, you good. That's, that's, you want to have five minutes, bro? Yeah. Well, I will see. I don't know if I, I don't know if I, I won't have five minutes, 20 minutes, you good. That's, that's, that's, you want to have five minutes, bro? Yeah, well, I will see. I don't know if I, I don't know if I, I won't have five minutes, but I, I think that it's, well, it also compliments swimming. So, well, like swimming is all core back and arms. I mean, that's, that's mostly what swimming is,

Starting point is 00:45:17 and that's mostly what rowing is. I mean, it's, it's core back and arms. And so they compliment each other. So, here's the, here's the's the strategy for me right now is, I'm trying to get in the gym to lift a minimum of at least two times inside the gym. So ideally I'd like to be there three or four, but realistically I've had some weeks

Starting point is 00:45:34 where I'm only lifting like two times a week. And then I'd like to be swimming at least two to three times a week. And then I'm using the roar if I don't do either one of this. Supplement. Yeah, so if shit happens at work, we work all day long. Like the last night, this is what happened. I, you know, at 10 o'clock a night, I'm down in the garage

Starting point is 00:45:48 and I rode 5,000 meters and then I went to bed. So I'm using it like that. So it's complimenting my swimming. It's also, and I've also noticed lately, man, we just haven't, we have, especially since we haven't been flying and traveling and doing all of a sudden, we've been here so much. Like I got back to-

Starting point is 00:46:02 I've never been so sedentary. Oh my God, it's crazy. I was looking at, I was, I've been tracking again to kind of just see where I was at. And I'm gaining weight on like 3,000 to 3,200 calories. That's crazy for me. Yeah, because you're such a fat normally like four or five. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm used to being all the consume four or five thousand, obviously four or five thousand. I'm much bigger. I'm in bodybuilding mode but even I mean to go from that all the way to put fat on it three so I got to stay at like 25 to 27 right now and for my side it's just because we're not moving at all. So that's kind of the motivation too is like I just need to I need to move more.

Starting point is 00:46:37 You don't realize how especially when you're working in a gym how many steps you actually take because you're training people all day long and And pick and wait's up, move and on. Did you guys ever measure your steps with the body bug when you were personal trainers? Yeah. So you'd hit like 15,000. 15 to 20 every day. Yeah, every day. Yeah, no problem.

Starting point is 00:46:52 Just from walking around the gym. And now I have to make an effort just to hit 10. Really? Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm probably hitting 5,000 on a regular basis. Anyway, I do want wanna say it's crazy that we've done a thousand episodes. Yes, to me is really exciting.

Starting point is 00:47:09 It's flown by. We've done a lot. It's neat to feel like we're in a fish ball right now, too, it's a little different. Yeah, yeah, I remember. I fucking staring at this right now. You know, it's funny. We had a drink during our podcast for a long time.

Starting point is 00:47:21 We never do this. This is what we did early on. And I remember, I don't know what episode it was. I hope somebody, I hope when you guys knows what episode it was. But do you guys remember that one day that I poured drinks for everybody? And they were a little heavy-handed?

Starting point is 00:47:32 Yeah, and it was when Adam was prepping for a show. Yeah, so you were like low calorie. And so hard to believe it. I mean, we used to live in a room. Yeah, we used to do this at night too. Like we don't pod, we pod in the morning now until like noon maybe, but like just doing this, it's a totally different energy.

Starting point is 00:47:51 But we used to do this like we'd do two or three on a Monday and try and knock them out and then work our regular jobs. Till like eight and nine PM at night. Yeah. But I remember pouring those drinks and we were going and we get smashed. And half way through we're like,

Starting point is 00:48:03 we gotta stop the podcast. Yeah, that was a little too much. But anyway, it's crazy that a thousand have gone by already. It feels like it was just kind of yesterday when we first started off. It does. It went by so fast, but when you think about all the ways we, all the old episodes and how we started, it does seem like it was a long time ago. You know, I'm saying, I mean, our studio used to be,

Starting point is 00:48:24 Gahashi was like the size of maybe not even half of this space here and we were like right next to each other. I could reach out and touch you guys and oftentimes I would do that oftentimes. That place was so hot. Yeah, it was a good time up to street. Now we're doing this. So the mustache lady next door. Oh, she did not did not like us. Oh, so I got that mirror. She listened to her. Everyone just in the left with her, that was crazy. That was terrible. I don't tell my wife.

Starting point is 00:48:49 I think she does a list of the lies. She might now though. It was a good massage. Yeah. The pay, yeah. That's right, she was a massage therapist. That's what she was. She was a nice lady.

Starting point is 00:49:01 It wasn't even, it wasn't. How about the ad? And then we had the weed place right next to us. Yeah, they were like on the other side of the walls weed massage like what yeah, of course Yeah, right about the the chimerah commercial that we did where I I walked in on you guys and you were oh Yeah, snorting I was doing lines of the chimera What the hell are we thinking? Lines of it. Did we actually do that? Yeah? That was our that was our first ever attempt at some an advertising commercial.

Starting point is 00:49:27 Really? It was. It was just so smart. So smart. So smart. And the porn. And the ads, I think we were winning. I think we sold three bags.

Starting point is 00:49:35 It was pretty good. Anyway, it's been a fucking pleasure, man. Yeah. It's been a pleasure what you're going to ride. I'm looking forward to the next 1,000 episodes. 100%. All right. You guys ready to answer some questions? Let's do it.

Starting point is 00:49:43 Let's go. Let's fucking do it. Qay to that's five mile in the show he was the right one just that left break the part you're in to run away two one left you'll be entering basically downwind and breaking the ball to the 11 LV35 drop final one 28 count is off 3 4 3 5 I mean we get to pitch up initial

Starting point is 00:50:03 uh that's pretty cool alright I think 3, 4, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, when I was running those Joe Donnelly programs. But you guys saved me from overtraining and dying. So, shots fired. You see all the drama with him lately? Oh, I love it. Oh boy. It's like, I need to get my popcorn. Oh, boy.

Starting point is 00:50:32 So, for each of you, if you guys were to be on a TED talk, to talk about something you're extremely passionate about, what would it be? Oh, wow. So, you start. You're most likely to do that. Yeah, I don't want to do it. So, exactly.

Starting point is 00:50:46 Yeah, go ahead. Honestly, I think the thing that I would want to talk about right now, I mean, of course I could talk about health and fitness and how to approach nutrition from a pragmatic standpoint and all that stuff. But to be quite honest, I think the next big thing in health and wellness, the thing that we're all gonna have to start to talk about and have conversations around is digital wellness. I really think that's the next big one.

Starting point is 00:51:12 And I think the best people to communicate that are not tech experts and tech professionals. I think it's gonna be people like us who've worked with clients for a long time and helped them modify behaviors around food and exercise because it's really kind of the same thing. It's a different thing, the nutrition and fitness, but it's similar in the sense that, if you're a 14-year-old kid today, you likely grew up with technology in your hand.

Starting point is 00:51:44 It's been around for your whole life and so your behaviors have been solidified. You've developed these recruitment patterns, if you will. The same way we talk about exercise, but they've been solidified. And in my experience working with people who've had terrible diets their whole lives and they come to me in their 40s or 50s or 30s,

Starting point is 00:52:00 even changing those behaviors is a slow, arduous process. But I have developed over, you know, two decades of working with people, techniques and methods and ways of communicating and getting people to be able to make those changes. And it takes a while, but I think I've achieved a certain level of success now because I've worked with so many people. Those same strategies can be applied to developing practices around technology. And I think that the fitness and the health and wellness space is gonna be the space or at least should be the space

Starting point is 00:52:30 to communicate that and talk about the dangers of not having practices around them. So I think if I were to go talk, do a TED talk, it probably would be around that. I don't think I would. I don't think I have any business doing that for sure. I think that I'm passionate about a lot of things, but I think to do a TED talk,

Starting point is 00:52:50 I think you should be an expert. So I don't think I would even have a desire to do a TED talk, nor do I think I belong up there, even in what we do here, right? Like one of my biggest pet peeves right now in our space is people that get to a point where they finally

Starting point is 00:53:05 reach six figures or seven figures or even eight figures. And then instantly they pivot into mastermind groups and teaching others and selling all the rest of you on how to do that. It's like, just because you got to that yourself doesn't make you an expert on doing that and teaching others how to do that. So I don't even think that I'm at that level with what we've built here to go up and speak on stage and tell everybody else, like Gary Vista, what the fuck they should be doing. Maybe if you ask me that question five years from now, and my pump is so much

Starting point is 00:53:34 bigger than what it is, and then I feel like that, but right now where I'm at, like I don't think that... Do you think it'll be around business though, because you're kind of alluding that? Oh well, it would be around that more than I think that I've had more success than that than I've had in fitness. I mean, just because I competed and got on stage and got shredded and I've trained a lot of people, I don't think of myself as an expert in the field that should be standing up on a TED talk and telling other people what's up.

Starting point is 00:53:59 I just don't think that. And if there's anything that I'd feel confident, it would be building a business in this space and talking around that. But even then, I wouldn't see myself doing that anytime soon. I would have to be down the road when mine pump is something far greater than where it is right now. Yeah, probably like the importance of cheese in your diet. Or, no, I had, no, I'm good. I like it. With Adam, I don't think that I would have to have something really impactful and cool that I studied or something I went through that I could pass along that was really well

Starting point is 00:54:36 thought out and I studied for years and accomplished half of my career of academia that led me up to the point where I could then teach whatever that subject matter was. I just don't think that just a general rar-ra, like inspirational speech, to me, that's just that's just a bunch of hot air and noise. And if it's something that you can, you could take like an astrophysicist up there and then they could break it down and communicate it on like a personal level and they could actually make it so your average person can understand it. That's what I think Ted Talks are for and that's what it's awesome for. We need more of these professors to really start thinking about how they can condense their message

Starting point is 00:55:21 and really relate to the crowd more than just speaking at them. So some Ted Talks though, or just people's experiences, and they're not necessarily experts. Like those ones. So like horrible happen to me, or you know what I mean? I mean, made my way through it. Like I would talk about that. No, some of the best Ted Talks I've ever seen

Starting point is 00:55:37 were people who are like, here's what happened to me. Here's a woman that got up there. Now she was a, I wanna say a psychologist, or she was a scientist in that field, but she had suffered from a stroke and half of her brain literally turned off. A stroke of insight, I think, was the name of the TED Talk. And so she's just talking about experience

Starting point is 00:55:58 of what it's like to have the analytical, logical part of your brain turn off. And it was fucking fascinating to hear it, communicated from somebody who would experience it, but she did such a good job. I think, you know, and- Here's the thing, Sal was probably the only one in narcissistic enough

Starting point is 00:56:14 to want to do this, right? So I think Justin and I, and even Sal, I'm teasing him, but all of us- I'm playing make believe it. He's the only one that could pull it off. Well, yeah, probably, right? I mean, that's why he's the face of all the videos that we do.

Starting point is 00:56:26 I hate a YouTube. I hate fucking YouTube. This camera thing stuff, like it's just, and talking to my phone, I just absolutely, and it's not like I'm nervous, like I'm not afraid to do it, I just don't like it. It's just not something that I enjoy doing. I love this.

Starting point is 00:56:39 I love talking to people. I love like that, but the camera video and all that stuff, I thought, it's just not a big fan of that. Didn't Ben do it? Didn't Greenfield just do a train field on one? Max has done one. Max, I'm sure his was probably real good. Yeah, they've done, they've done so good.

Starting point is 00:56:53 But shit, I mean, I think Max is so well read and his subject and I think Ben is extremely well polished. Like, I don't know, I just, maybe, maybe if you asked me that in five years, I'd have something I'm more passionate about. And when you bring something up like that, the thing that rings the bell with me is I would talk about like overcoming fear or something, something that I think I've dealt with my entire life as an overcame that so many times.

Starting point is 00:57:17 And I think that stifles so many people today. And so I and I feel passionate about that. So maybe something along those lines. If that's a case, but by no means do I think I'm an expert in a field or it should be up on a TED Talk. What's up guys, my name is Dustin and I've been listening to the show since 2016. What's up, man?

Starting point is 00:57:33 What's up brother? All right, so my question is growing up, you guys, RAN gyms, fitness, personal training. What's the skill that you wish you developed in your early 20s? Oh wow. That's a really good question. Skill, developed in your early 20s. Oh, wow. That's a really good question. Skill, oh, okay, here this is easy for me.

Starting point is 00:57:49 I wish I had somebody, because I come from a family of immigrants. So nobody in my family really had a lot of money. They were hardworking, they saved their money. But nobody knew how to invest their money, nobody understood, how to take risks, how to invest their money, nobody understood how to take risks, how to leverage yourself. It was just the old school work hard and save. And so here I was, 19, 20, I'm making,

Starting point is 00:58:15 this is back in 1999, 98, 99, and I'm making, you know, 120, $130,000 a year, and I lived with my parents, I didn't know, I don't have any concept of what to do with that. So all I did was throw in the bank. I literally just saved it. I drove a Volkswagen and I saved my money. And I wish I had like an older brother or an uncle or somebody a mentor who could be like,

Starting point is 00:58:39 hey dude, you're young kid, you got nothing to lose. Let's take this money, let's invest it. And at this point now, if I were smart back then and I had invested it properly, at this point it'd be independently wealthy. Are we talking about financial advice right now? We're talking about like fitness business advice. He said, whatever.

Starting point is 00:58:55 Anything? Okay, any, I'm thinking like fit in a Loma Lines and fitness when I go back and tell 20 year old me, like I wish I would have known, running the gyms back then. Yeah, no, I got the impression he was like, whatever, anything, right? Yeah, yeah. Don't just say what, don't say yes, just to fucking...

Starting point is 00:59:07 I don't let him assumption close to like, right? Yes, that's what you're talking about. No, I felt like it was like a fitness related question. All right, well, you can go and I'll come up with a different one. I think the, when I think about something that I learned, um, leading trainers way later on that would have saved a ton of energy, would have made me way more successful when I was younger. When I first came on the scene in fitness, and I was reading stuff around then too, but not as much as I was later in my 20s, I was big on the like speed of the leader thing. And so my

Starting point is 00:59:41 my attitude was I'm gonna run so fast that somebody else will wanna race with me or all get one or two people attracted to that and between me and those two other people, I could destroy goal and be successful. And for actually many years, I was really successful doing that. Now, the shitty part about that was

Starting point is 01:00:01 I had a very high turnover rate of employees. I mean, I would, you would come in and you would either get on board or I'd burn you out and then be on to the next one and I just kept turning over, turning over. But why it was so such a pain in the ass or what I, when I looked back now thinking like, I wish I would have, I wish I would have known what I know now is I was successful. So I was kind of blinded by that that was the way to do things. And I remember when I finally pieced together to stop looking at my staff and trying to get them to be like me. Just because I had proven the model, I had been really successful. I was in search of trying to change everybody into me and teach them how I do things.

Starting point is 01:00:40 And when I stopped doing that, I started looking at my team. It was just like a football team and looking at them at different players with different strengths. And if I hired you and I brought you on, you obviously passed the character test with me. Like I liked your character. Now I need to be okay with you may be terrible at sales or you may be terrible at lead generations or you may be terrible at training clients.

Starting point is 01:01:03 You know, you're not the best as far as program design. And being okay with that, and then figuring out the things that they were really good at, and teaching them to double down on that. And that was a lesson I learned first for myself, and then when the light bulb went off, like, oh, that's how I should lead, too. I got the message for myself when I was in my early 20s,

Starting point is 01:01:22 but I still was trying to make them all into me. What was I thinking? I should have done that early on where I was looking at everybody elses, but I still was trying to make them all into me. What was I thinking? I should have done that early on where I was looking at everybody else going like finding their strengths and then teaching them to double down on those strengths. When I figured that out, my clubs were like way more successful

Starting point is 01:01:36 and in work was easy. I could literally put my feet up and we were crushing goal all the time and I didn't feel like I had to push nowhere near as hard as I used to have to in my early 20s. You didn't have to run as hard as a manager. Oh, totally. It got, it literally got easy for me.

Starting point is 01:01:50 It went from being, I embraced the grind because I was that guy. I was, which is why you hear on the show all the time when I'm so passionate about no days. I was that guy. I was like the sleeps for pluses, you know, grind like no days off. Sleep when I die. That was around like work for me. That was how my work ethic was. And it made me very successful for a long time. But it did get tired. It wore me down. And it was tough. And I burned out a lot of people when I when I peace that together and

Starting point is 01:02:19 became a better leader. Oh, man, my job, I was more successful. It was easier. Like that was that would have been a game changer to know that early on. Yeah, I think for myself to talk about my 20 year old self, the biggest sort of thing that I struggled with was being too self-critical. And to basically, I limited myself from experiencing risk and getting myself out in public and doing things where I got judged. And I was too nervous, but I was more just like, very hard on myself to be the best.

Starting point is 01:02:59 And that worked well for me with sports. I was very critical myself and always trying to improve, but getting out in front of people, I was terrified. I was terrified of that. But, you know, for me to then get through that and work on that, just for me to now kind of be in a place where I believe more with what I have to offer and knowing that I have the experience

Starting point is 01:03:26 to speak on certain things. If I would have had more belief in the fact that I do know more than your average person and to be able to convey that to somebody standing right next to me, I would have been a lot more successful a lot earlier. But, you know, again, like, you talk to my 20 year old self, I wouldn't have learned all these things anyway. I wouldn't have listened to myself.

Starting point is 01:03:44 Like, I had to my 20 year old self, I wouldn't have learned all these things anyway. I wouldn't have listened to myself. I had to go through that process of really refining that and figuring out how to make myself better through this long path of where I am today. So I wouldn't change it, but at the same time, if I could, I would be even further. What's funny is you think about that, would you have even listened to your own?

Starting point is 01:04:06 There's some things I would have listened to, I think. It's interesting, right? Because I remember when I was 20, I thought I knew it all. And the thing that I know now is that I remember how I thought before, so I remind myself today, you know what I'm saying? When I think I know it all, it's okay, it's no different than what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:04:21 It depends on how ingrained it was in me. Like the drive to be successful and make money at such a young age for me, that was so ingrained that nothing like nobody was going to come tell me like, balance gets them. Yeah, you know, money isn't the answer, it's okay if you don't make a lot of like, like that, there's no way. I was like, that would have been like, I'm going to figure that out for myself. I'll be the judge of that. Let me get rich and then I'll make that decision.

Starting point is 01:04:43 Exactly. So I think that, that you would have never been able to get through. But something like what I said, I think if I came back and was wiser older me and said, hey dude, you're gonna waste a lot of time trying to get these people to be more like you. They're never gonna do that. You're better off looking into their strength. Because that makes sense to me now.

Starting point is 01:04:59 It made so much, once the light bulb went off, it made so much sense. I had so much success from it that I think, man, if I could have whispered in my ear at 20 years old and told myself that, I probably would have listened to that advice maybe, but some I know I, I, you're right. I wouldn't even, I'd be like, yeah, get out of here, dude. I got to figure this out myself. Hi, I'm Laura. Hi, Laura.

Starting point is 01:05:18 Laura, how long have you been, I like listening, how long have you been listening to Mind Pump 4? About a year. A year, okay. And I started at the beginning, so. Oh my god. I apologize. Now is that because somebody told you to do that? This one.

Starting point is 01:05:29 Okay, so, yeah. My apologies about those early episodes. There's a difference. Anyway, my question is, what has been the most unexpected outcome from having a successful podcast that you wouldn't have believed a thousand episodes before? Oh, wow. That's a cool question. Probably what's happening right now. having a successful podcast that you wouldn't have believed a thousand episodes before. Oh, wow.

Starting point is 01:05:45 That's a cool question. Um, probably what's happening right now. Like the, the first time, uh, and this is funny for me, like, the first time I started getting like random people coming up to me, uh, and I'm a social person and, uh, I never had that experience where someone would come up to me and you can see the look in their eyes when they look at you. Like, they feel like they really know you. And I'm like,

Starting point is 01:06:08 I do if they listen to it. Right, right. And I'm looking back, lo and I'm pretty good with faces. I'm not the best always with names. And I'm looking at your face. I'm like, fuck, I know I don't know this person right now, but they are looking at me like I should. And Katrina said it was, I had a terrible look

Starting point is 01:06:20 on my face all the time. She'd always be elbowing me and be like, just smile first. You know, at least fucking smile. And then you could figure out, because I'd be like, I don't know how to fucking react because I don't know who it is. I don't know if I'm supposed to know who they are.

Starting point is 01:06:29 I don't know if they're looking at me or the person behind me. So that was, I didn't think about that because that stuff didn't matter to me. I mean, all of us when we start this business, which is also I think what's contributed to the success of it is it's never been about fame or being popular or Instagram likes or any of that stuff.

Starting point is 01:06:48 It was always about the why, the message, what we wanted to do in the industry. Since we started, we even, I mean, we talked early on that the goal was to scale ourselves out of the business. We wanted to do just this part right here. We didn't want to be the face of it. We didn't want to be in the videos. We don't want to be on YouTube. So because we are already like that, where that is something that didn't want to be the face of it, we didn't want to be in the videos, we don't want to be on YouTube. So because we are already like that,

Starting point is 01:07:08 where that has something to matter to us, when it started happening anyways, where people were recognizing you and coming up to you, I wasn't ready for that, and it felt, it's weird. Yeah, it was different at first. Yeah, I think to just the diversity of people that listen to us, like in terms of, we just come across so many walks of life

Starting point is 01:07:29 and people obviously like this Air Force pilot, you know, I'm like, what am I doing here? Like, why did you guys listen to us? Like, it just baffles me, like, you know, everybody in their unique business that they have, like, it isn't even fitness related a lot of times too, which we do get a lot of people that listen that are definitely like diehard fitness people and they get our message right away, but

Starting point is 01:07:51 I feel like after this many episodes, we've been able to start to kind of break into people that really don't give a shit about fitness necessarily, but they just like kind of the banter and the stuff we do on the show, and we're starting to kind of reach a different type of an audience, which is cool, but I never thought we'd just be talking to our gym people. For the weird, I think, when I think about how much I've grown personally with some of the guests.

Starting point is 01:08:27 That's a good point. I thought to myself, when we first started this, I thought it would be really fun. We'd have great conversations. We're gonna do a good thing. We're gonna communicate what we've been communicating for so long to clients, what we get to do it now, through media, so hopefully we get to reach more people.

Starting point is 01:08:43 I had no idea the growth that I would experience. The part of the growth is because I get to sit down and have really long, deep conversations with two really smart guys. Like, we get to sit down on the podcast and go back and forth. And that's really cool. And so I grow through that. And then the guests, that's the crazy thing. We'll get guests that'll come in. And the crazy thing is oftentimes it's people

Starting point is 01:09:05 that are super unassuming. Like we just had Sanjay Rawhal as a guest. I'm, do you guys listen to that? And we were all kind of like, Oh, we almost didn't take the interview. Yeah, we're like, oh, it's a, you know, endurance guy. We were big runners. Yeah, exactly.

Starting point is 01:09:19 And we're like, okay, well, let's, you know, let's, let's talk to him. He's kind of, maybe he's interesting. We'll see. And that podcast was very impactful. It was very, very impactful. And he made some amazing points. It actually played it.

Starting point is 01:09:30 And I didn't say that when you asked me earlier. He played it in the role of getting the roer. Oh, it was something. I've been doing it with that kind of thought process in mind. That's spiritual practice. Yeah, being very meditative. Yeah, that's right. So I don't have anything going.

Starting point is 01:09:42 There's no TV. I'm down in my garage by myself. Isn't that crazy? That's crazy. Like how many practices and things have we changed because of the people that we've talked to a man? That's a good point. That's probably not.

Starting point is 01:09:53 I would have never guessed. That's blown my mind. There's always something that it's never a month goes by. Dr. Warren Farrell for me. And we've talked about this just the importance of rough play. And me really making sure to do that with my kids, because it was one of those things I kind of did when I'd get home or whatever. But it was like, oh wow, I realized like for developmental purposes and just behavioral

Starting point is 01:10:18 purposes and just so many benefits to it that I didn't even realize like we're tied into that. And I was like, oh wow, I'm definitely like doing this intentionally now. And the other thing is that we have leverage because our podcast is now a certain size, which is crazy because I can call somebody who I would never get the opportunity to talk to. Like I'd never get the opportunity to talk to some of these incredible, you know, thought leaders and intelligent individuals and influencers,

Starting point is 01:10:46 whatever you wanna call them. But now I can call them or message them, be like, hey, I have this podcast, oh, I've heard your podcast, do you wanna come into my studio and I get to sit down and talk to these people. It was really surreal to sit down and interview these old school bodybuilder heroes of mine

Starting point is 01:11:01 that I grew up watching in the 90s. Flex Wheeler and Sean Ray, for example, I so read about the routines and magazines. Now they're on my show and I get to ask them whatever I want. I mean, it's freaking crazy. The growth for sure I would have never predicted at all. I would have never thought in a million years that I would have changed and grown as much as I have. And that I'm eternally grateful for.

Starting point is 01:11:24 My name is Elena. So now did you just someone turn you on to the podcast or did you just find it randomly? I have no idea how I found it. I found out you coached at Orange Theory Well of Glen where I go. So I found out after I'd been listening to it a little bit about that related a lot more and then yeah, I've been listening ever. Episode one, which is my favorite episode ever. Oh my god. Female, this exposed or whatever that is.

Starting point is 01:11:49 That's great. That's the first thing. So my question is, well, I love the math programs and I will do whatever a trainer or coach tells me to do in the gym. My problem is I don't know how to create my own fitness program so I can sustain that for life without paying someone else to do that.

Starting point is 01:12:04 So I want to strengthen for life, but I don't know how to construct that program. Oh, good. That's a great question. You're on the right track. Yeah. You're on the right track. One of the best ways to figure out your body is just to constantly practice and train and practice and train. And over time, you start to learn, you know, what works for you. You start to learn, how do it play intensity for your body, what exercises seem to work best for you. It takes a long time, but that's, you're on the right

Starting point is 01:12:30 track. Just being consistent alone will teach you a lot of what you didn't. Not to mention that, but a lot of the motivation behind when we wrote maps, we were writing it not just as a, hey, follow this program too, is trying to like kind of teach the fundamentals too And when you guys know if you listen to all the shows that we encourage people to mold and change and customize for Themself, but the idea of the programs was to teach people the the major Philosophies the big rocks of how you should phase in and out of your workouts the importance of strength training the importance of hypertrophy the importance of endurance

Starting point is 01:13:05 How long you should stay in those out of your workouts, the importance of strength training, the importance of hypertrophy, the importance of endurance, how long you should stay in those types of adaptations and phases. So the idea, I mean, you could literally go through, three or four of the programs and rotate through for the rest of your life and you would be fine. You would be better off than 90% of the people out there working out at gyms, if you just did that. If you were, just went through the three foundational

Starting point is 01:13:24 programs and rotated through your life, you would be doing way better than most people. So, we kind of put the blueprints out there for, again, for you to have structure. But at the same time, like the podcast itself is a way to kind of explain and teach those concepts in more depth. And I think that we tried to do that.

Starting point is 01:13:44 And I know it's kind of hard to go back and kind of like, like, you know, tie them into what program you're on currently, but we've started to do that more in depth. Like we just did with Maths Esthetic and we tried to kind of go, you know, again, to reiterate why we created it. Like the concepts behind it, why those concepts are there, why we phase, why all these certain acute variables

Starting point is 01:14:10 were thrown in there, why we pair certain exercises together. So, I mean, we've tried to, I mean, this is kind of like a comprehensive course in itself where we're trying to present on the podcast, but we'll get there. We'll get there where it's like you can find it easier, and that will be able to pair to those programs. You'll be able to then apply,

Starting point is 01:14:31 and oh, this works really well with me and my body where I'm at currently, I'm gonna apply these concepts, and our goal is to be able to keep educating all those points and then you to be able to go through it and really figure your own body out your own rhythms. Think about this way, like think about something that you do very well now. I don't know, maybe a hobby, maybe you're really good at roller skating, maybe you're a good cook, maybe you're a good writer. Think about how it was when you first started and you had to learn fundamentals, you had to follow a structure, you had to, maybe you had a coach,

Starting point is 01:15:04 maybe you played sports and you had a coach teach you. But after a while of doing it, time and time again, it starts to become instinctual. It starts to become quite intuitive. It just takes a lot of time. Well, not only that, but it's inevitable that there's gonna be times where you, we know this, I mean, as much as I'd like to believe

Starting point is 01:15:20 that everybody follows the program to an exact T and does everything, there's certain things, I mean, I just had my nephew, he's supposed to be following maps on a ball. And I try to check out for them whenever I can. And he's like, Hey, Uncle, do you think it's time for me to move to phase two? And I said, well, how long have you been in phase one for six months? How's, why are you in phase one for six months? Well, because I've been getting gains, I keep it in PRs, I keep it because he's seen all these roles. I'm like, do your joints hurt?

Starting point is 01:15:45 He's like, my knees are starting to bother me a little bit. So, I, I, you're gonna do things like that. We know that. We know we're gonna put these programs out with a lot of good rules in place and structure and it's inevitable that people are gonna get stuck in phases longer than they should because they like the way they feel,

Starting point is 01:15:59 they like the way they look or whatever. And what you're gonna do is you're gonna do that enough times and then you're gonna do it right a few times and you're going to see, oh, wow, I notice when I follow these rules, it really makes a difference. And oh, when I kind of bend the rules here, not so much. You know, so that's the idea is like, you give you guys a really solid blueprint. Inevitably, people are going to weave in and out and probably stretch things longer, cut things shorter. And you find out when you listen to the show, the things that we are always trying to hammer show, the things that

Starting point is 01:16:25 we're always trying to hammer home, like these are important, these are important, and it will. It'll just start to come together, and you can start to blend different philosophies and their programs. There's nothing wrong with running a map centabolic, but because you really see lots of benefit from mobility exercises like in performance, you take all the mobility days from performance, and you put them inside of maps and a ball Like you could totally do that. There's nothing wrong. We're basically showing you the trying to show you the right direction But to learn your own body takes takes time and over and think about this way look The the fun the the goal of what we do is to help people develop a lifelong relationship with

Starting point is 01:17:01 With exercise fitness and good health and good nutrition So it's you're to be doing this forever So I guarantee you if you continue this Over time, you're gonna get to that point. I promise you it might take five years I might take ten years, but then the rest of your life you'll go into the gym and you'll know what to do You'll know when you need to know when you need to look how long it took us and and we live and breathe this Well, but you know, it took me a very long time. It did, but we didn't have the right direction.

Starting point is 01:17:27 I wish I had maps when I first started. That's part of mind pumps mission is to be able to give. It's like a shortcut. Yeah, exactly. It took us 15, 20 years of screwing up for you guys in a much shorter form. So hopefully you get there a lot quicker than we did, but it still is going to take time. I mean, even if you went through every single program right now, that would take you almost two years

Starting point is 01:17:48 with as many as we did. So it's gonna take time of getting in there and practicing and seeing what works better for you, what areas you can't cut corners, it makes the biggest difference. I think that, and there's opportunities in the future for us. We have the form right now too, which is great to bounce ideas back and forth

Starting point is 01:18:03 if you're doing something right now, and you're like, well, what if I incorporate mobility sessions with the aesthetic instead of the focus or whatever? People have either experimented themselves with that or have great ideas. That's our test kitchen for a lot of those types of things where you get through the programs. You do them to the tee and then now we experiment on our own body. We figure out, you know, what really works best for us. Hi, my name is Alia. Hi, Alia.

Starting point is 01:18:31 How long have you been listening? Just under a year and Michael here introducing you to you guys. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:41 When he first told me about it, I was like, they're probably just talking to guys. I'm not going to listen to this, but I was wrong. So my question is, going back to the Mind Pump mission, if you guys were to accomplish the current mission, how would the business continue on, and how would you guys continue to add value to people's lives? Oh yeah, I don't think there's gonna be, I don't think we're ever gonna reach a destination.

Starting point is 01:19:04 I mean, the mission is... We'll be like the Avengers at that point. Yeah, no, like, as don't I don't think there's gonna be a I don't think we're ever gonna reach a destination I mean the mission is will be like the Avengers at that point Yeah, no, it's always had to defend all the assholes trying to come in all the time That's definitely not the justice. I mean and for the listeners who are listening to the podcast You know when you're referring to the mission you're referring to us kind of changing the direction in the message of The fitness industry one that's positive one that's not based off of insecurities or based off of How terrible you you feel you look or whatever one that's filled with one that's not based off of insecurities or based off of how terrible you feel you look or whatever, one that's filled with right information where if I were to read articles on fitness,

Starting point is 01:19:30 I know that 90% of it's gonna be accurate versus what it is now, which is 90% of it that's wrong. I think if that, if we ever reach that, which would be amazing, we're just gonna continue to foster it, we'll continue to foster that. I don't think it's possible. I think to be honest, it's a losing battle. It really is.

Starting point is 01:19:46 It's really more about how many people can we save or how many people can we impact? Because we're talking about just a fitness space and there's still the other 75% of the world that aren't even, don't even give two shits about being healthier and better. And we think that the fitness space is fucked up. So it's like if we can, even if we can fix them, we still have a whole bunch more people that we gotta try and impact, which is like to Justin's point earlier, that's really cool to see.

Starting point is 01:20:10 And why we named it Mind Pump, and it wasn't muscle, something, or fitness, something is we wanted it to be able to reach the people that may have never even gotten the gym if it wasn't for listening to us. So, and we still haven't corrected the fitness industry. So if that ever could possibly happen, which I don't think it could possibly happen, we'll have an endless job of trying to reach the mass. Our best bet though, if we were to make the biggest impact, the strategy

Starting point is 01:20:37 is to use new media to get as much good information out there as possible, reaches many people. And to influence the people in the field, the soldiers in the field, the trainers, the people who are actually training people, because I know as a trainer, I knew this as a trainer. Nobody impacted my clients like I could. They could listen to shows, they could watch videos, but at the end of the day, the person who really impacted than the most was always gonna be me

Starting point is 01:21:02 because I'm their trainer. And so if we're gonna do anything, even remotely successful along those lines, it's gonna be because of all the people that help us and it's gonna be the people in the gyms, the people on the battlefield who are talking to other people who are influencing other people who are helping other people,

Starting point is 01:21:20 they're the ones that are really gonna make the big change. We're just trying to, we got a clean heart, we got the clean our house up first to their stuff like so for example What's happening right now behind the scenes of mind pump? We we've been building out the new website all on HubSpot and should go live probably in the next week or so and The idea right now where are we're focused more so than even driving more revenue? Like right now where we're at with our Facebook ads We could turn up our Facebook ads and 3X the business.

Starting point is 01:21:47 But we don't because we're trying to service our current audience even better than what we are currently right now. And what I mean by that is right now, some random person comes across a great guy that Sal wrote, and they read it and they're like, oh my god, this was awesome. Who are these guys, whatever.

Starting point is 01:22:02 There's like an email sequence that starts getting dripped to them over the next seven days. And the way we have it set up, it's to build value. It's not to try and sell and market to them right away. It's like every, every other day or every two days, they get like this nice email, fitness tips, cool YouTube videos, but it's still generic right now. Right now, I don't know who that was that opted in. And so what HubSpot's going to allow us to do, and we have somebody literally working around the clock on this right now, because we get anywhere between 50 to 100 emails every day, that is starting to segment the people that are coming in. So I know, oh, this person's 35 years old,

Starting point is 01:22:33 had two kids trying to lose 30 pounds. Oh, she clicked on this guy, she read this blog, she's shopping around at this program, so I know who these people are. So then we can go back and go, oh, this podcast episode, these three YouTube videos, these two guides are perfect for her. Make sure those get sent over in a sequence and she gets that.

Starting point is 01:22:51 So we're trying to find ways to give more free information, more better information. That's useful to the people who are getting it. Right, so that's a, we got to do, I mean, I want to get to a point where we've done that so well before we even start to break out beyond that. But that's on the horizon right now. So it's really cool. You guys will see the new website and everything that's coming. Then we got to make a AI version of us. That's right. CGI. Lots of work. I'm the guy that put her on. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. But I've been listening

Starting point is 01:23:21 and my name is Michael. I've been listening for about a year. Cool. Wanted to listen to a podcast. I'm listening to you guys, you guys are just talking shit. Current events. I love it. But you guys are all great individuals. Who was like the, had the most impact on you guys in your life. Like the greatest mentors that had effect and influenced you guys have become the guys

Starting point is 01:23:40 that you guys are. Oh, wow. Wow. Okay. So easy, my parents. But besides my parents, I was blessed to have amazing mom and dad. Besides them, my first mentor in fitness or in the business of fitness was my friend, Don Cardona.

Starting point is 01:23:57 Good friend of mine. He was a young general manager. I think at the time when I first started working with him, I had just moved over to the sales side. So I was a personal trainer, became a fitness manager. In those days, personal trainers didn't move over to general manager or sales. It was the fitness or your sales. I expressed some interest in the set okay before you become a manager.

Starting point is 01:24:19 Let's have you be an assistant manager, just to learn the ropes. In comes in this new general manager who's dawn, and he, I think at the time was 20, let's see if I was 18 or 19, he was probably 22 or 23. So young dude, a lot of energy, very intense, and a absolutely brilliant communicator. I'll never forget one time where I was doing a presentation, a sales presentation. I was talking to a potential member. And of course, your goal is to get them to sign up for your gym and hire a personal trainer so they can get fit and all that stuff.

Starting point is 01:24:56 And I was just talking and I kept going and I kept going and I kept going. And Dawn hits me under the table. So I stopped talking. So he took over, they ended up hiring a trainer and getting a membership. And when they left, he sat me down and he said, you know, he says, Sally goes, you're very passionate and you do a really good job

Starting point is 01:25:17 expressing yourself. You do a good job of, you know, communicating what you're trying to communicate, but you're a terrible listener. He said, excellent communication is more about listening than it is about talking. And had you continued on that path, you would have probably blown them out of the door

Starting point is 01:25:33 and they would have never come back. And so what I learned from Don was really had to communicate effectively, not just to potential members, but also to staff. He was also a phenomenal leader. He was my very, very first mentor. And later on, I ended up owning a business with him. And we're still in contact with friends. He actually owns a gym in San Jose right now. I think it's in the Silver Creek area. But I would

Starting point is 01:25:55 say he was probably the most impactful because he was the first person. And since then, I've had many mentors. I learned later on that anybody could mentor me. If they just had a skill that I was I learned later on that anybody could mentor me. If they just had a skill that I found valuable, that I would watch what they did with that skill, and just learn from observing. Even today, I get mentored by the men and women that I work with all the time. Justin Adam and Doug, they might not know,

Starting point is 01:26:21 actually I probably told you guys, but there's certain things that they do that I admire and I sit and watch and observe. And it requires you to kind of be humble enough to be like this person's better at this thing than I am. But I think mentorship is probably one of the best things you can do to progress your growth is to find somebody or to find something in somebody that is,

Starting point is 01:26:44 that's something you want to learn or better than what you're doing in that aspect and just to pay attention to learn. I've always been seeking people that know things that I don't or are better at things that I'm not. And that's just been part of the process of trying to better myself, surrounding myself with people that I know are killers in whatever industry or whatever pursuit that they're a part of.

Starting point is 01:27:10 And for me, it's all like in this time sequence of when I was interested in sports, I would gravitate towards the best athlete in the school or really spend that extra time with the coach that could break down more of the logistics with me and all the specific things that will help to me to improve. So I would just break down film for hours and hours and hours. And I had a couple mentors of coaches that really helped me improve my game. Coming back out here, I mean, obviously my dad and my parents were very influential in terms of, you know, everything ingrained in me and my morals and just my character and everything with that.

Starting point is 01:27:53 And then these these men in this room too, I actually met Adam first. So I guess he's first before Sal, but I worked for him for, I don't know, maybe like three years. And it was another humbling experience. I never trained anybody before. I had trained myself and was confident that I knew what I was doing, but quickly learned. I didn't know, jack shit. Like, I found people that just didn't even know how to get up off the ground. They were lifting weights in a way that I didn't know was possible with their arms flailing in all different directions, and it was confusing

Starting point is 01:28:33 because I've always been around athletes who just immediately get it. And so, he gave me a lot of tools and ways to communicate and assess people, and I picked up on that, and then there was other trainers there that I saw that were like the top of the class. And I made sure to really mimic and mold the aspects of them that I saw were the best attributes that they could provide me. And this has been an ongoing process for me of finding people better than me,

Starting point is 01:29:05 and immersing myself, you know, with it's that whole thing, right? It's the five people that, you know, you hang out with the most, influence you, and you become those people. So that's really what's happened to me. Like I hate like public speaking, you know, but I'm getting better at it. You know, I can't stand, listen to myself talk, but I'm getting better at it.

Starting point is 01:29:26 I can't stand, listen to myself talk, but I'm dealing with it. It's all those things. I challenge people to just really look for those people that you know aren't just there and they're comfortable. They're going to challenge you. You got to put yourself out there, and you really gotta, you know, like find the courage to get out there.

Starting point is 01:29:51 Well, we were really opposites when we worked together for sure. That's, I think, that complimented each other really nice. My first, my first, like, real mentor that I ever had was, and I've told some of the stories I think on the podcast about him, but I don't know and I've told some of the stories I think on the podcast about him, but I don't know if I've shared his name, was Mark Baker. I was 21 years old when I met him, and at this time I had, I've been working for the company

Starting point is 01:30:14 already for about a year and a half, so I had already moved up the ranks really quick. I was now in the management. I've been the top dog. I had set the club record for sales. I had set the club record for goal for a fitness manager. So I was kind of felt like I was the big swing and dick at this point. And for sure was cocky.

Starting point is 01:30:34 And this guy comes in. Two dick reference. I know right in the row. It's right there. Yeah. Pretty in slips. So I, this guy comes into my club. So this time we're getting a new manager, new GM's coming in the club.

Starting point is 01:30:45 I've never met him before. I know Monday I'm gonna see him at work. We'll part of the job as a fitness manager is to run the weekend, so I'm in there working on the weekend. And I get to work, I think at like eight o'clock in the morning or so. And I go over to my computer and I check the daily SMR,

Starting point is 01:31:00 which just kind of tells you what's going on with sales and I just wanted to see, did anybody put something up before I got here? And that's because part of my job is to oversee sales and make sure that we have a good, successful Saturday and Sunday. And I click on it. And we have, we're having the biggest day I've ever seen us have since I've been at this club. And the names on there are this guy that Mark who I've never met.

Starting point is 01:31:21 I'm like, what the fuck? This guy gets to my club. I've never even met him before. He's here just, I don't know how many hours he's here, but this is right away. Right away, right away. So instantly has caught my attention. And I introduced myself, he was totally rude.

Starting point is 01:31:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it was. He was never, yeah, yeah, it's up. I'm Adam on the fitness manager. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he walked, and just walked right past me. This fucking guy, right? But I'm very competitive and I had never seen anybody do revenue with this, so I'm instantly interested in who this dude is.

Starting point is 01:31:51 And he blew me away first by his work ethic. So much of my work ethic that I have today, sure comes, you know, some from my childhood wanting to be successful, knowing that I have to work for the things that I want. So I definitely started there. It accelerated to another like ridiculous level when I met him. This guy was already must have been there at 6 a.m. his first day where he came in on

Starting point is 01:32:11 a Saturday. He didn't have to work till Monday was his first day coming in. I already wrote more gross and revenue than I'd ever seen before. I'm like, do this dude something else. So I first was attracted to that. And we then became, we started to become friends over time and he caught me one time in the back office and this is the story I've shared on the podcast before and I had just crushed goal the month before.

Starting point is 01:32:34 My DM is coming in to check up on, check up on me and I think he's going to come down and tell me what a great job I did because I just crushed goal and he comes in and he nitpicks all the things that I wasn't doing because I've talked on the show before because I just crushed goal. And he comes in and he nitpicks all the things that I wasn't doing one because I've talked on the show before that I just didn't have a lot of organization skills. That was definitely a weakness of me. What of mine was, I was not organized, paperwork was everywhere all the time, but we were successful. I was good with people, I was good with running a team.

Starting point is 01:33:00 And he comes in and just basically points out everything I'm doing wrong. And I'm not a poor me or victim type of person, so okay, very next day, I'm at my desk getting organized, fixing all the things that Boss told me, and it's like five, six o'clock at night, this is prime hours for the gym, and Mark walks back and he kind of does like a double look at me, and he sees like all these paperwork scattered and I'm highlighting shit, getting all organized, and he walks over and he goes,

Starting point is 01:33:24 and he clears my desk off, and I'm highlighting shit, getting all organized, and he walks over and he goes, woo! And he clears my desk off and I'm like, what the fuck? He's like, what are you doing back here right now? And I tell him my DM, I said, my DM was in here and he told me this, this, this, this, this, and he's, listen, you're in your position for a reason at your age.

Starting point is 01:33:39 He goes, stop focusing on the things that you're not good at. Focus on what you're good at and be great. And that was the first bit of advice that he had given me that like this light bulb went off. Like, and of course at that time too, I'm going like, fuck yeah, that's what I want to hear too. I'm like, I don't want to be doing this shit.

Starting point is 01:33:54 Like, let me go be me. And he did, he gave me that first bit of permission to not hang on all the things that are, that I'm weak at, that I may never be great at. Still to this day, That's a weakness of mine We we have employees that work for us to handle that side That's how important it is that we have that because I'm not that person at all So that was the first bit of advice that you can completely change

Starting point is 01:34:15 My life forever and I give that all time the other thing he taught me That has been Unbelievably impactful not just in business and in fitness, but but in relationships and in life for me was desired outcome. And we, him and I made a major bond. We went on to break a bunch of records together, became very tight friends. He got promoted. I got promoted different directions, but he was always the guy that I would call. Like when I was sweating things or I was about to fire off a nasty email to upper management or something. And I would call them before I would do it because he would kind of he would walk me through and I looked

Starting point is 01:34:48 up to him and he would say, what's your desired outcome out of him? And I'm heated and I'm all heated. I want to say this and the first the response is, I'm fucking him. I want to tell him this. I'm mad. Really, what do you think is going to happen from that? What do you want to happen from that? Is that the best approach to get what you want?

Starting point is 01:35:06 And, you know, I'm a self-aware, smart enough guy that if you stop me like that and you make me really think about it, and you're like, okay, probably sitting in nasty email, saying this, this, and this. And if my desired outcome is he stops doing these things, that's probably not my best approach. And then he would challenge me to really think

Starting point is 01:35:22 that entire conversation out, and that completely changed how I led, approach. And then he would challenge me to really think that entire conversation out. And that completely changed how I led my relationships to like and this is the advice I always give to anybody that's ever worked for me as I teach this same thing because if we could all just do that and there's old cliche things of count to 10 before you say shit like that. But even a step further than that is think of what your desired outcome is. Like what are you trying to accomplish from this conversation? And is your approach right now the best approach for that? Those two things, and he's taught me many other things, but those two things fundamentally

Starting point is 01:35:55 changed who I was as a person and as a leader forever. And forever, I'll be forever grateful for the relationship that I've had with him. I'm Havier. I found out about the show from Thomas Cabota, actually. Oh, Tommy! Tommy! It's funny, you guys just had that. You were 24 hour guy?

Starting point is 01:36:14 No, I worked at a gym in Gilroy. Oh, okay. Yeah, I could do him. So my question is, my pump aside, what do you guys think would be your personal or individual legacies or you know how do you want to be remembered? Oh geez. You know besides mind pump I'd want to be remembered as a good father to my kids for sure. That's a big one for me, especially after,

Starting point is 01:36:45 I went through a divorce while we were on the podcast, during the podcast, I think it was how far in when we went that happened, about a year. A year, yeah. About a year into it. So that's after 15 years of marriage, two kids, and very difficult for anybody's ever been divorced. It's a difficult process, and I thought to myself, okay, and one of the reasons why it took so long

Starting point is 01:37:07 for that to happen because we probably should have got divorced 10 years earlier. But the reason why it lasted as long as it did is because you don't want to hurt your kids or you don't want to put your kids through the whole process of divorce. It can be challenging for a kid to have two separate households, to have parents that are split up, that whole thing. So when that happened, I thought, okay, how can

Starting point is 01:37:32 I make this the best out of the scenario? How can I be the best father I possibly can be for my kids? And I realized that it was through my relationship with my ex-wife. So the irony is, you know, we got divorced because we had a bad relationship, but after the divorce, we learned to develop the best relationship we had developed. And it's not perfect, it's not great, but that was the goal. And the goal was always to just leave that legacy to my kids. I want my kids to, what they, when they think about me one day to be like, my dad was a good dad. He was there for me.

Starting point is 01:38:08 He allowed me to talk to him honestly and openly. He supported me. He pushed me when I needed to be pushed. He held me when I needed to be held. That's probably the most important thing to me in the world. Is it cheating if I use my kid now too? No, I mean, you can't. You're in the same place.

Starting point is 01:38:24 I feel like that's the cheating answer. You totally do it. That's not kid now too? No, man. You can't. You're in the same place. I feel like that's the cheating answer. You totally do it. That's not cheating because it's my little man. No, I believe that. And I'm sure mine will align with that also. But I've been asked. I can say ditto.

Starting point is 01:38:33 No. I've been asked this question a few times and I don't think that I've articulated it very well because when I say it, I think sometimes it comes off very narcissistic and that's not how I mean for it to come off But I am though Remember is the most handsome podcaster no, I have this dream of My funeral and it and it literally being at like an arena and not because I'm famous That's that's this is the part that's hard to explain this

Starting point is 01:39:06 without sounding very narcissistic. Everybody's just chanting. Yeah, I don't know. He's a fucking bass. Crying, everybody's crying. Sorry, I knew you asked holes were gonna be. But it's not because we're famous, or I get famous, or anything like that at all.

Starting point is 01:39:26 It's because I've impacted so many lives over my entire life that they feel compelled to be there. And that is the way I think about that. And I've already had probably a thousand clients, maybe more if you count the camps and trainers that I've led and the extension of that. God knows if we've impacted enough lives on the podcast yet or not. But to that point, where I have fundamentally changed that many people for the good that they want to be there.

Starting point is 01:40:00 You know, they want to be there. So I know when I first lead with that and I say that, it sounds like, oh, I want to be there. And so, I know when I first lead with that, and I say that, it sounds like, oh, I want to be famous. And it's like, no, I don't want to be, I don't want a bunch of people showing up because they want to say they went to my funeral because I was popular or cool. I want that many people to have been impacted by me, whether it be on the podcast or in person or whatever.

Starting point is 01:40:21 And so for me, that's kind of like what I think about when I think about my legacy. Now, that's been a long dream of mine for a long time, well before mind pumping. Now that I have a kid coming, I'm sure that it'll probably be along those lines. I mean, Maximus is going to means the greatest shape forever. So I mean, I'm going to pour everything in it. Anything I can into him and my goal is he's 10 times the man that I am. So that is my legacy. I know that. But I also...

Starting point is 01:40:47 We're also excited for that. Yeah. All of us are pumped for that, man. Yeah, it's so great. No, it's gonna be cool. Have you guys ever been to a funeral like that? We're just tons of people. We're just...

Starting point is 01:40:56 I've been to one, it was like an Irish wake where they just got like shit-faced. Katrina is fun. Katrina's stepfather's funeral was not quite that massive, but it was big. There was probably about a lot of people that impacted 400 people there. And I maybe this is, I don't know, the dream was before that, but I do remember that impact in me seeing that. So the way they had it, they had it like a celebration, right? They set it up like the wake was set up like a celebration.

Starting point is 01:41:22 And you came into this big cathedral and it was completely packed. They had two big screens that were playing like, you know, video clips of him and then Pastor came up kind of spoke about him for a little bit and they opened the mic up for people to talk and It never ended like we ended up I just you ended up leaving because for hours People just kept wanting to come up and people just kept wanting to come up and get gets me choked up just thinking about it. People kept coming up and just sharing the impact that he had made on their lives. And so, and it looked like every single person in there was wanted to get a turn to get up there and to say something. And I was like, whoa.

Starting point is 01:41:56 That's like, that's like a 100% success. Right. Right. So, along those same lines, I mean, for me, it's about what we started with, which is just the integrity, the unwavering integrity, to where I just hope that people find our decision-making process as something, you know, to emulate that helps embolden their life and better their life outside of just health and fitness. So whatever I can do to, you know, at least start with that conversation of, here's, here's how to better yourself physically. Here's how to, you know, better yourself nutritionally and, you know, like empower yourself with health. Let's start there. But life is so much more than that. It's about relationships.

Starting point is 01:42:47 It's about your kids. It's about giving back to the community. It's about everything else but you. And I think that the society now for me, it's just so much about ourselves. And we're always putting our self out there on social media. And it's the most narcissistic like environment I've ever seen and I think that we're all suffering as a result of that.

Starting point is 01:43:11 And I think that for me it's I just want to make sure that like we are an example on some level to be able to at least I mean I want to give as much as possible, but at the same time, I want to empower other people to provide the right message, whether it's through a health vessel or whatever it is your career is, do the right thing, like have integrity, like, you know, make sure that what you're doing, people are watching you, that you're always checking yourself. Stay authentic, right? Stay authentic. Be yourself, no matter what.

Starting point is 01:43:50 That was heavy. Hello, my name's Jackson. I've been listening for about two and a half years. And you have the record so far, two and a half, right? Two and a half years, yeah. I actually didn't even know what a podcast was until my friend Marindo was like, you're really into fitness, you should check these guys out.

Starting point is 01:44:06 So, when you check you guys out. Oh, so, yeah. Started from the beginning. So, my question is, do you think people will ever make the switch from only aesthetics being like their main focus to general health and longevity being the main focus and kind of the cooler thing to do

Starting point is 01:44:23 than just I'm shredded and I have a six pack. Oh, good question. I don't, I love it. Well, okay, so here's why I'll counter you. I kind of agree with you, but I can also see. I can also see. I know this way. Here's why I can, I think that remacing the opposite.

Starting point is 01:44:38 I am on Adam's side, I don't think so. I think we're all driven by this kind of surface level way of thinking. That's not the only reason why I think that though. Well, well hold on. Here's why I think it may reverse at some point I think at some point we'll get to the we'll get to the part to the point where we'll get all that or where Technology will get so good you can literally Either edit your genes you could change how you look, make yourself look amazing, you could take a pill, that's gonna burn body fat, you could build muscles super easily, and people are going to realize that it's empty.

Starting point is 01:45:15 And this is the truth now, okay? So I use this example all the time. When you look at people, for example, who win the lottery, they've done obviously studies on this, and they find that most of them are bankrupt within a few years, and are no happier than they were before they won the money. Unless they were in total poverty,

Starting point is 01:45:32 there's a certain amount, I think it's, they said something like $75,000 a year. After that, your actual happiness, and meaning doesn't even go up, regardless of how much money you make. I think if I had a pill today that you could swallow, that would literally make you look the way you wanted to look. I think people initially would be excited and happy

Starting point is 01:45:49 and would be great, I look awesome, but I think they would soon realize that that wasn't what they thought they wanted. Yeah, but they wouldn't stop taking a pill though. Well, I don't know if they will stop taking the pill, but they may focus on the other things. It's the journey. In other words, it's the journey to get there

Starting point is 01:46:05 that you get that growth from. Those of you that are sitting there who've worked out for a long period of time, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And so that's the possibility. The possibilities, we'll get to the point where we're gonna get all the aesthetics we want. Everyone's gonna look beautiful.

Starting point is 01:46:18 People are still gonna be miserable. They're gonna be, you think so? It may, it may have, if we ever get to that point, I don't think we will though. I don't think we're gonna get there. You don't think we will though. I don't think we're gonna get there. You don't think so? No.

Starting point is 01:46:27 You don't think we're gonna eat all like robotic bodies? Well, that's good. Maybe that, but I'm sorry. Maybe you have some robotic limbs and stuff like that, but in our lifetime, I don't think we see something. Not in our lifetime. Yeah, I don't see anything that crazy. I don't know, dude.

Starting point is 01:46:40 I can't get on board. I can't get on board with people not or letting go of that. And using your argument with the... I mean, I'm trying to stretch it, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but, I mean, you bring up a good argument of like, why do we even desire an aesthetic physique? Like, why are we attracted to it?

Starting point is 01:46:57 And there's evolutionary reasons why we are. That represents health. So the exaggeration of that will always be there. So that internal desire, of that will always be there. So that internal desire, I think will always be attracted to this aesthetically pleasing to the eye physique. And, you know, people being shredded is just an exaggeration of that. Or the, I don't think that for those reasons alone that it'll ever go away. Well, I will say this, you have to sell it right. So one of the things that we try to do on the show is,

Starting point is 01:47:29 we know what the right message is, but we try to find a way to communicate it to make it effective. Because if I just say, you shouldn't work out for looks, you should work out for health. I'm going to reach approximately zero people. Nobody's going to give a shit what I say. But if I say this, if you chase aesthetics,

Starting point is 01:47:44 eventually you'll lose aesthetics and you'll have poor health. If you chase health, you'll get great health and as a side effect, you'll get great aesthetics. Now I've sold you. And so the idea is to sell the message effectively. So what I'm trying to do is get all the people who just want to look good and I'm trying to tell them, hey, here's how you look good, chase health.

Starting point is 01:48:00 And then hopefully, through that process, they learn that that's the way to do it They figure it out like okay. I'm trying to look better by chasing health I am looking better because I'm chasing health, but wait a minute this feels a lot better now I'm just gonna focus on this over here, but it's a uphill battle you gotta be kidding me. I mean you're not gonna I would say nine at a ten clients that I ever got in my entire life you tell them hey What are your fitness goals? It's all aesthetic-driven. I wanna change this, I wanna change that.

Starting point is 01:48:26 Here's the part of my body, I wanna look better. I wanna sculpt this area. It was almost never, I wanna, you know, be healthier. If it was, it was because they had a wake-up call. I had a heart attack, I just wanna get healthier. But oftentimes, it's like, I feel like we're going in the other direction anyways.

Starting point is 01:48:42 We're turning into this attention-horror. gotta, it's gotta go that real far before. Yeah, because we're going, we're getting crazier first. Oh, yeah. And an example that is like, I could take a post of me being shredded for a show and post it right now. And it'll get more likes and comments than any of my last fucking 50 post. I mean, even people that know mind pump, know our message, know what we talk about. Still reward that, you know, I'm saying like that's what we want. And I don't know what we talk about, still reward that. I'm saying that's what we want,

Starting point is 01:49:05 and I don't know, and I feel like we want more of that. I don't know, in our lifetime, I don't see that. We're like, I mean, that's like, we hope for that, but at the same time, I'm kind of, I'm with Adam on that. I think that we're animals at the end of the day. We try so hard to deny the fact that, you know, we have all these,

Starting point is 01:49:28 like attractions and impulses and, you know, like we're drawn to certain people that look a certain way and there's just, that's, you know, just a part of the process, like as human beings. But in terms of education out there, I think that like we're trying to put a dent into that in terms of how to do that more appropriately

Starting point is 01:49:52 and how to get both and to be more health-minded in the process, even if you wanna get on stage and look like this crazy, like God, there's a way to do that where you're not just going to destroy your metabolism. And I think that if we can at least start there and like get people to understand that part of it, then maybe, you know, it'll kind of trickle back to, well, maybe we should just be more focused on health and be happy and, you know, and everything else will sort of fall into place.

Starting point is 01:50:26 Yeah, falling. It's funny, too, because we still haven't solved aging. So if you're somebody that's super obsessed with your body and you identify with how good looking you are, you're going to have, at some point, you're going to learn a lesson. At some point, you get old. And it's funny when you meet these people, when you meet these 60, 70, 80 year old people who were beautiful, gorgeous, identified with their looks when they were younger. A lot of celebrities are like this. They're celebrated for being hot or good looking. And

Starting point is 01:50:55 then they hit 50, 60, 70 and the plastic surgery and the things that they do to themselves to try to reclaim those golden, what they consider golden years, it is a terrible place to be. They can never, they can never really truly accept themselves. By the way, I'm speaking out of experience. I started working out and started, I got in the fitness industry because I was incredibly insecure about my own body, and it caused me to do a lot of bad things to myself,

Starting point is 01:51:17 and I'm glad I learned that lesson, because I don't know where I be right now, if I do, I definitely wouldn't have the voice that I have now on the show, but I don't know where I'd be right now. If I definitely wouldn't have the voice that I have now on the show, but I don't know where I'd be. My body had to rebel for me to learn that lesson. So I think at some point you'll learn it one way or another, but the scenario came up with earlier,

Starting point is 01:51:36 technology solves all these problems. We live forever, always look beautiful. If that ever happens, I think people will then realize, oh shit, this is not at all what I thought it would be. What's up guys? What's up man? My name is Adam. I first started listening to you guys.

Starting point is 01:51:52 I think like early 2016, probably like January. Oh good deal. But yeah, and you might think this is cool actually. I was visiting my sister in Dubai and somebody bound there put me on to you guys. No way. Yeah. Oh, there, huh?

Starting point is 01:52:07 Super random. But you work out at one of those, those james over there? Yeah, they have a bunch of them on the beach and stuff kind of like, I don't know, like Venice Beach. So I'm waiting like you sit on the chairs and you like lifters. Oh, right. That kind of stuff. But yeah, so I have kind of a business-facing question.

Starting point is 01:52:24 So also a mandatory shout out to the boys back home. Sorry, I had to Yeah, so I was wondering if you're in the process of kind of growing and expanding a business and you know You decide you want a branch out and I'll be more specific here for example you guys you guys have a podcast But you're also on a YouTube channel and you know you got your Instagram accounts and I know you talk about developing the app more I've it's I feel like it's really easy to kind of get lost in the weeds when there's a lot of things going on and I'm kind of wondering how do you prevent spreading yourself to thin and how do you dictate and judge, you know, when a certain aspect deserves a lot of resources and time

Starting point is 01:53:03 without kind of you you know, because you don't want to have to ask any of the parts. Right. This is a great question. It is a good question, and we answered this just recently at one of the talks we did. And I gave the analogy of like investing in stocks where 80% of your money is going to be invested in like your safe bet, like a stock that you know is going to, you know, never know, but the stock that you're pretty confident that isn't going to lose you, it's may not gain you a lot of money, but you're confident in it.

Starting point is 01:53:31 So I use that as like, okay, when you look at all the platforms out there, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, email marketing, YouTube, all of them, I look at the one, what I mean by the one that's, you're going to win the most, the one that you speak the best on. So like somebody who is quick and witty and responsive, like Twitter is your game. If you're great with shooting pictures and angles and great captions, like Instagram is your game. If you do really well with like long form and you write really well, then like blogging and email, like is probably a really good place for you and even Facebook.

Starting point is 01:54:07 So first of all, figuring out what platform works the best for you, but then to not neglect the other ones like you with stocks, so you take 80% of your time and money is being vested in whichever platform you think that you speak the best on, but you're smart enough to know that you need to get real estate on all the other ones because there is always that chance that Twitter shuts down or YouTube shuts down and then podcasting.

Starting point is 01:54:33 I mean, the likelihood of all of them all shutting down all at once, that's probably not going to happen. So making sure that you diversify so you don't get screwed and you're only on one platform, I think that's smart, but I would double and triple down on the one that you best speak on, whichever one that is. So I would put a lot of my eggs, not all of my eggs in that basket and try and get my traction there. And then I would be slowly kind of, I mean, even like a conversation that happens, did

Starting point is 01:55:04 Inzo leave already. Inzo is working on like, the Spotify for us right now. That's been constantly hammering that, like we gotta get on Spotify. Like, we're not even, we're a fitness company. Like, people would think like, why Spotify? Well, I believe in the platform. I believe that they're gonna be here for a long time.

Starting point is 01:55:18 I like them as a company. If we could actually end up being almost like a DJ where we have all these different stations that you tune into on Spotify. So mind pump rock, mind pump hip hop, mind pump house, whatever. And we have all the, and it's a rotating playlist. So it's always new cutting edge shit.

Starting point is 01:55:34 Like how many people in here wouldn't probably be listening to that. So you would. And that's just another place that I can capture your attention and service you, which then again leads me later on to be able to sell advertising or market in different ways, or just have you over there. So, no, I think it's smart for you to try and diversify

Starting point is 01:55:54 as much as you possibly can, but to spin a majority, 80% of your time on the platform that I think best. Yeah, and I think it's a little, so, when we first started, it was a culmination of a lot of different trial and error businesses and different ventures that we were all kind of separately doing. And we didn't know that podcast was going to be the one that took off. We didn't know that. But we just decided to try it. And so we all had different things going on. Meanwhile, we're still building this

Starting point is 01:56:27 and figuring out like, wow, we're getting traction with this. This is crazy. And so then after that, it's like, okay, this is a legitimate business. Let's start fostering this. And then it became more than actually what I probably thought, you know, where we are today. But then this became a battle of

Starting point is 01:56:49 there's all these other avenues like you're mentioning YouTube and we're on email and we're Facebook and Instagramming. And you have to look at what you're actually doing on all these platforms and what the best usage of it is. And so for us, to be able to communicate with fans, like Instagram's awesome for that. For having a forum on Facebook, that's amazing. So that can kind of feed in with our programs.

Starting point is 01:57:20 Like the meat of this business is the podcast and then our programs. And that's where we spend most of our efforts and energy around, but it's important that we do embed ourselves in these other platforms because like Adam's saying, it can change. Like, and they can change algorithms and maybe iTunes also shuts us down.

Starting point is 01:57:41 So we just have to remain flexible as a business to remain ahead of the curve. And it's just one of those things. Like what kills a lot of businesses is they don't think ahead into the future. When you find something that's really successful and something's hidden stride, like that's what makes me even more nervous.

Starting point is 01:58:02 I'm like, oh, we gotta really think about the future of how we can keep, you know, stoking this fire and, you know, be flexible. So really it's about, you know, making sure that we have a stake in different platforms, but not too much energy. I'll keep it short. I think just know what to say, no to.

Starting point is 01:58:21 That gets hard as you grow. It's like, what do you say no to and just double down on the ones that you think are relevant to you, the ones you have passion over? How's it going? I'm Tyler. What's up Tyler?

Starting point is 01:58:32 My question is, oh, I've been listening since 2016, Jordan Harbinger when you guys, I was really glad. Good buddy of ours. Good buddy of ours. What excites you guys most about the next thousand episodes? Oh man. Woo-ha.

Starting point is 01:58:45 More stuff like this. Will we make it that far? Yeah, I'll say. More stuff like this I think makes me excited. Like, I like. Yeah. I'm starting to really enjoy having people in front of us and, you know, while we're podcasting.

Starting point is 01:58:57 Touching more people in live events, probably. Oh, yeah. That's more of the, I guess, the near future. Look at me excited. Long term. Gosh. Just continue to do what we do. It's crazy. I've never not gotten bored after doing something for four years.

Starting point is 01:59:12 Oh, we're just talking about how, it's more exciting today. It's more exciting. Every job I've ever done or every business I've ever had, after about two or three years, I start to get bored. Why don't you do something else? This, I never get bored. It's really crazy.

Starting point is 01:59:24 We keep looking for a ceiling. There's no ceiling. Yeah, it's really exciting. Well, to your to Salis point about the, you know, doubling down on the things that are that are important to you or that you do well at when we first built this, it was we really did get out. I mean, we used to do these orange theory talks and, you know, the whole reason why we started this business was to impact the fitness industry and impact people. Nothing impacts people more. Maybe the podcast reaches tens of thousands of more people than we could potentially do in a small room like this.

Starting point is 01:59:54 But when we get a chance to hang out with people and you get to get a chance to really meet us, for sure it fundamentally impacts people way more than the podcast. It impacts us. And so one of the things that we talked about at the beginning of this year, and this is, I think, so important. This is just a business lesson period. Like as a company grows and scales, it's very easy, especially when it's successful and it's doing well, to be looking at all the other opportunities to make money in

Starting point is 02:00:18 this and that. And the reason why we all still do so well together is before there was a dollar made, everybody agreed on what the why was and what we were trying to do. And when we all sit together and we could be arguing, oh, I think we should do this. No, no, no, we do this. Oh, we can make so much more money over here.

Starting point is 02:00:36 And we go, well, why did we start this? What are the things that I'll do that? Like this type of stuff and like what we did last Friday and we're doing next Friday, getting out in front of trainers and helping them with sales and doing stuff where we're kind of getting back in our community. That nothing is more in line with our why than that.

Starting point is 02:00:53 And so it excites me that we've made that a major priority this year. Now we haven't announced it on the podcast, but we're trying to get as many events as we can in person this year and really make that like a very regular thing next year. So we're trying to work out all the kinks and because it does cost us a lot of money to travel somewhere like the whole team comes like that's a $7,000 bill for all of us to show up to go put on a free event. And even though we're not about the money, we also can't be losing money at that rate.

Starting point is 02:01:23 And we won't be able to continue doing what we do. Right. So a lot of the focus this year is to get to a point where whether it be sponsors or other place people that are taking care of us to come in and speak at their events so we go to people, that excites me. It excites me. We eat to do that. I have a lot of fun. Every time I get to hang out with people like you guys that are here, literally nothing makes all of us happy. We had the most fun doing those. It's super humbling.

Starting point is 02:01:47 There's one, I'm gonna bring this up and it makes us get emotional every time. I know you guys are gonna, you guys remember this? And pay the effects. Yeah, we were at pay the effects. This was what, two years ago. Yeah. And we're walking through when having a great time

Starting point is 02:01:59 and we're both shitting and we're fucking with people and being ourselves. And we're on our way out. And all of us are walking together in Justin, just like nowhere to be found. I turn around and some girl, and she was like 17 years old, had grabbed his arm and stopped him. So we all go over to see what's going on.

Starting point is 02:02:15 And this girl had terrible eating disorder. She almost died at one point. And she said that the thing that saved her was just listening to us on the podcast Made her laugh made her smile and then she was able to start Carrying about herself differently because of the things that we were saying and she started crying We all started crying and We we left and we were just that much better That much better people, but that much better at what we're doing here. Because this is driven by our passion.

Starting point is 02:02:47 So when I meet people and I get to hear what's going on, makes me way better. It elevates us. It elevates us. It elevates us a real impact. Oh, it's crazy. I hit me hard. Oh, that was a tough one.

Starting point is 02:02:57 That was a tough one. But I remember we all left and we were like driven, like we'd never been driven before. And every time we meet people and we talk to people It's always like that. So that's that's the that's a live events are gonna be cool Yeah, I'm really excited And you know that's Taylor and Rachel's passion They love that side and they've been gearing up for some time to really do that Tahoe was the

Starting point is 02:03:16 Probably the first real big event that we threw and this year fixing all the kinks and I think next year There'll be a lot a lot more of that stuff and that's gonna be really exciting. So guys, my name's Brandon. I actually got turned on to you by my sister's ex-boyfriend, who I actually went to Lee High School. They all went to Lee High School and somehow they knew how to sell.

Starting point is 02:03:38 Oh really? Oh, good day. I don't know. They're a hell of a old thing, huh? Yeah. Yeah. 25. So screw you.

Starting point is 02:03:45 Yeah. It's good. Anyways, as people are getting more obese and more and more personal trainers are needed, and we have a crazy rise of technology, do you think that personal trainers in person is gonna be more of a thing? Or do you think the technology is gonna take it over

Starting point is 02:04:02 and the apps are gonna take over? I think technology is gonna be a great tool, but I think nothing is going to ever replace person to person. Because think about this, okay, maybe you guys experienced this yourselves when you first started when you first got into fitness. It's hard. It's a hard lifestyle change. You're changing your life.

Starting point is 02:04:20 You're changing how you operate. You're changing what motivates you to eat the way you do. You're changing your activity, you're changing the way you view yourself. These are behaviors that have to be changed and it's very difficult to do without a real live person who's empathetic, who's listening to, who's understanding, who's guiding you. It's a very difficult thing to do. Now can you impact people virtually? You definitely can, but I think it's more of a start than to get them in the right direction. Like I hope people listen to podcasts and they're

Starting point is 02:04:50 like super motivated and then they go higher or really fucking good trainer. And that trainer is the one that really makes those those changes. I think technology will impact people who are pretty much like self-motivated already. I do like, I know there's doctors now and there's other like practitioners and physical therapists that are using technology to help gather more data, more information that they couldn't before to convey to their patients. And I think that, you know, personal trainings no different to where we're still gonna need somebody to interpret all this information, you know, to their clients. And I just don't, I don't feel that AI is gonna be able to have that

Starting point is 02:05:40 intuitive insight, you know, in terms of like being able to communicate on a level where like person to person, I could tell something's off, you know, like let's talk about it. And it's more of like a, you know, like it's a therapy session at that point. But we needed to have that conversation for you to now, um, accept where you are. And then, um, you know, that, that was like sort of the sticking point that we had to, we had to tackle that. So I just don't, I think it's a great tool, and I think that like trainers really need to get versed in like modern technology and ways that they can apply it with their clients, but I always see the need for person-to-person interaction.

Starting point is 02:06:19 We just need that as human beings. Mm. I think as a company, we're banking on that. We put a lot of those trainers out of business, to be honest. I mean, when I mentioned to you guys about what we're doing with HubSpot, one of the things like what Anne will do, like she'll come across somebody who bought a program, emails in and says,

Starting point is 02:06:40 this is what's going on with me. My knee hurts, this, that, and she has this very custom list. And then she'll send that over to Sal, and then Sal is beginning to look at the camera and speak to that person. Then that now gets categorized over to somebody who has knee pain going through this. And so we're kind of building out that capability

Starting point is 02:07:01 of giving you that almost in person, speaking to me, answering exactly what I need to know so I could go in and then apply it to the gym. I think the AI is definitely going to take over a lot. I think right now there's plenty of room for someone to start tomorrow and be a trainer in person. I advise people to do that first is, I think it would be extremely challenging to be somebody who's never trained a client before

Starting point is 02:07:27 and then go straight into virtual coaching like the sales point. Like I think that would be super difficult. The only thing that I think that makes me a decent virtual coach is because of all the experience and all the people and I've heard this immediately. When someone sends me something like, this is not the first time I've heard this, you know?

Starting point is 02:07:43 And so I have the answers. Like if I hadn't had done that with so many people in person, I don't know if I would have those answers. Well, I think we put shitty trainers at a business, but for sure, nothing we could ever do, there's this. Whatever would be better than me talking

Starting point is 02:07:55 in being with someone in person, or you being with someone in person. And I'm gonna all argue that we've probably made more personal trainers become trainers than we've put out of business, or we've made bad trainers, more good trainers. I think the barrier to enter is lower. So if you need help and you can't afford personal trainer, well, the technology is going

Starting point is 02:08:14 to be great because you get great information. It's personalized. It's a lot less expensive. But would anything that we ever create that I could even comprehend that we could create? Would that ever be as good as me working with someone in person? No way. Oh, of course. Will it be better or that's good? No, of course not. It'll never, but I think it's gonna do a big fucking dent. Oh, I think if you're not thinking that it will one day and sure, 100%. I mean, we're already starting to see this. I mean, you're gonna be able to

Starting point is 02:08:44 hands-free at all times in your house, your car, whatever it is, just speak the question that you have and a fucking video, a long, whatever form you wanted in is gonna pop up. And so imagine you being a client working in your gym at home and you have Alexa or whatever tools inside there and you're like, say, oh, I'm on map Santa Ball at phase one.

Starting point is 02:09:05 This, I mean, Tom Billio is building him. I remember talking to him. I was like two years ago, I sent him a text when I saw he was already doing things with Alexa and I said, what are you doing on Alexa already right now? Is it, are you seeing return on that? He's like, nah, nah, this is for, this is for 10 years down the road, bro. Like, and he's already planning that all that stuff there so that you can say something into Alexa and anything that impact theory has touched on that. So yeah man I think that

Starting point is 02:09:29 it's going to be now I think at the beginning of that smart trainers that are not insecure and and feel okay with sharing mind pumps knowledge and information will be smart and will use us. And this is what when I talk trainers, I always tell them like, if you are trying to be smarter than us or be smarter than every trainer, that's silly, like why? Like it's still this day. That's why when you look at our YouTube channels a reflection of us as trainers,

Starting point is 02:09:53 like you see a bunch of other really smart people on there. Like, I have such the Henry Ford approach when it comes to fitness, I'd much rather find the guys and the girls that are much wiser than I am. And then I share that with my clients. I don't need to be the guy that gives them that information. It's like, hey, I'm the filter for that.

Starting point is 02:10:11 And so I do see trainers still being in the mix because of that, so maybe you're the middle man between somebody, so you have a client, but think about what that cost will be. It's gonna be, it's gonna drive the cost extremely low. It'll be like, I hire a trainer for $100, and your job is literally to use all the resources that mine pump has probably spent at that point,

Starting point is 02:10:31 millions of dollars of building it out to make it so simple for you. Tour, you can just go, oh, you know, 35 year old, this needs a way, knee pain, this, that, okay, and then you can just send over all these videos, all these, speaking almost directly to that person. That's kind of like- Otherwise, it can be a lot different.

Starting point is 02:10:47 It's definitely gonna be a lot different. I think that trainers need to prepare for that and get involved more with all these different uses of technology to get clients and also evolve their business so that way they're not left in the dust. Hi, I've been listening for about three and a half years before I've become a trainer. And I'm a trainer, so it's been really cool to listen

Starting point is 02:11:09 you guys throughout that process. Awesome. Sweet. So this is totally a trainer question. My biggest weakness, I think, is I get frustrated that my clients don't care about their health the way I care about their health. And I get maybe a little intense with them

Starting point is 02:11:25 and I just get upset like I'm failing them. So I would love to know your advice on how to handle things like that and not take it so personally. Very common, by the way, very common especially, you know, fitness is a passion driven industry. So people don't typically become trainers because they're trying to make a lot of money. They do it because they love fitness.

Starting point is 02:11:42 And so you're so passionate about these people, you care about their health. They don't care about their health. It's almost like when you have a loved one who's sick and you wanna get them better and they don't want to. And you're like, oh, let me just force you and you wanna choke them. I'd say, you have to understand to that, in order for you to be effective,

Starting point is 02:11:59 you have to meet them where they're at. Okay, and there's no amount of forcing or hammering or anything you can do that's going to help that's going to get them to move faster than they want to move. And so you have to accept that. I blew a lot of clients out the door because I was that train right, sit down with them and I'd have these come to Jesus talks and you're not doing what I'm saying, you're not eating the meal plans, you're not working out on your own, you know, you got to do these things otherwise. I don't want to train and I blow them out and I do them, I would do them no benefit. Because at the very least they were showing up to train your own, you know, you got to do these things otherwise I don't want to train you and I blow them out and I do them, I would do them no benefit.

Starting point is 02:12:26 Because at the very least they were showing up to train with me, you know, twice a week. So at the very least they were doing something. It's a long process, it's a slow process, it's a difficult process. Meet them whether I be honest with them, don't lie to them. So I used to be very honest with my clients and I tell them, look, here's why you're not getting to the goal that you wanted. It's because of these things that you do. But that's okay, at least you need to know that.

Starting point is 02:12:48 And it's okay, but when you're ready to accomplish those goals, you know what you need to do. Until then, I'm here for you. You're coming, you're showing up for your sessions. Let's have a good workout. And at the very least, I can make that kind of an impact. And when I understood that and had that attitude, way more successful as a trainer. I had one guy, good, great, you know, he's a family friend now. I remember

Starting point is 02:13:09 I, he hired me and I went, when I was learning this process, it's when I trained this guy. And he wanted to lose 35 pounds. It took him three and a half years to lose 35 pounds. Do you know when he lost the 35 pounds? The last six months of that whole process. The whole first two and a half years was him just showing up to his workouts. I would talk to him about fitness and nutrition and he'd go off and eat pizza and do whatever. And we'd work out together.

Starting point is 02:13:35 But after about two and a half years, that momentum started to build and he just did it himself. I haven't trained this guy for four years and guess who's never gained weight, the weight back, and guess who's still working out. He is. So you got to meet them where they're at,

Starting point is 02:13:49 have that empathy for them, be honest with them, but also be that rock for them, also be that support for them. Right, and we covered this not too long ago. That was the main thing is that you're as consistent as possible, like your message, you're not wavering your message, you're always there, you're super professional, they can count on you always having their best interest in mind and giving them just like seeds of information that will help to meet them where

Starting point is 02:14:19 they're at. But you just have to wait. I mean, you have to wait for them to really buy into the process a lot of times. And you know, it's frustrating as a trainer because all you want to do is help. And you want to see that progress happen because you know what that can do. And you really watch people flourish once they get the bug and they accept it. But again, it's even if you do push them really hard in that direction, a lot of times I've found in my career, it's the more I push, like maybe we'll have temporary gains, but it just didn't last,

Starting point is 02:14:53 you didn't have that sticking power that it would when they came up with the idea themselves. They just had a moment, you know, in life, whatever the circumstance was, or they're like, oh, you know, in life, whatever the circumstance was, or they're like, oh, you know, I'm not doing this anymore. I'm gonna, you know, tomorrow we're changing, I'm doing all these things, and then just take off with it. So just be available for them and be consistent.

Starting point is 02:15:16 This is one of those things that we're all gonna repeat the same thing, because when I think of like, you know, we sure we disagree on a lot of stuff, and we openly debate stuff on the show. There are definitely some core things that we've all come to as truth. And the truth is, like what Sal said, is you'll have to learn to meet those people. Now I think you can get better at communicating that. So something that's helped me or where I got better.

Starting point is 02:15:42 And I know I say this all the time on the show, like a broken record, but the first big step for me is like, if I can't get you to track for a week and show me what you've been doing, like you can't even hire me. So that's to be able to hire me, before they even pay me, I say, first go do all this, because I'm gonna ask you to do that no matter what.

Starting point is 02:16:01 So if you're already shopping me as a trainer, or we are thinking about doing a contract together, whatever, it's like the first week is tracking your steps, tracking your food, and doing all that stuff. That's bare minimum. If I can't pay it then the whole rest of this process is gonna be enough pill battle for you.

Starting point is 02:16:16 So you gotta nail that down, get them to at least do that. And then when I do that, I'm looking at all the things that I know they're probably doing wrong. I've talked common offenders, not enough fiber, too much sugar, not enough protein. Calories could be really low too. Very often you get somebody that has a broken metabolism or a very slow metabolism. So, when I sit down and I've assessed everything for the week and were that first conversation, very key to paint all the things that we're saying right now.

Starting point is 02:16:44 To let them know that what happens with most clients, you know, it's most clients just can't keep the consistency up, can't make the behavioral change. And so it's very important to me as a trainer that I get you to do that. And what I will never do is I'll never throw the whole kitchen sink at you because you'll never be successful that way. So what I want to do with you is I want to is I want to look at one or two things and I want you to just, we're going to dial that in until it's just become a habit and second nature for you. And so whether that be we're looking just at fiber first because this person is anything else is too much and too overwhelming, we're just going to

Starting point is 02:17:19 get that down until like you've proven that to me. They want you to prove that we're going to move on the next thing and then we're going to move on to the next thing. And then we're gonna move on to the next thing. And so if you kinda set the table at the beginning, that you're not even gonna give them a bunch of things to focus on, and this is the right way to do this for the long term. And I used to always do that, take away to them where I'd say, you know, I know you're hiring me,

Starting point is 02:17:36 I know you want this now. Do you want me just to help you lose the 30 pounds and just get there by any means whatsoever? Or would you like me to help you lose the 30 pounds and keep it off for the rest of your life? And I make them say that to me. And all of them are gonna say what? They're all gonna say to the 30 pounds and keep it off for the rest of your life? And I make them say that to me. And all of them are gonna say what? They're all gonna say to you,

Starting point is 02:17:48 I wanna keep it off for the rest of my life. Very few people say like, I don't give a shit, just give me the 30 pounds. Some might, and then whatever, by that means you can play the card where you restrict calories, do cardio, do all that shit, and then they're gonna get fat afterwards and warn them what's gonna happen.

Starting point is 02:18:02 But it's setting that table at the very beginning of what they're gonna anticipate, how challenging it is, how important it is that we create these behaviors, one thing at a time and we add on it, and then simplify and meeting them like salsa. And some people, you're gonna get his clients, you're gonna be able to handle three or four things.

Starting point is 02:18:20 You're gonna be able to say, okay, we're gonna dress five, but we're gonna dress sugar, we're gonna bump up your protein intake. I also want you to get 8,000 steps a day and follow this program. Dream client. Right, and they're gonna execute, you know, and those are the ones that everybody,

Starting point is 02:18:32 everybody as a trainer gets those ones results because they follow anything you say. The ones that make, what'll make you a great trainer is getting the other ones. The ones that are paying the ass that just have no consistency, no discipline that do it for a little bit and fall off and then flake. And so those ones, the key as you're training back to Salis Point is just finding out who

Starting point is 02:18:53 they are, where they are on that spectrum. Can they only handle one fucking little thing? Like I just need you to walk, you know, X amount of steps every day. Let's start there. I literally had a client once just literally read one page out of a nutrition book once a week. That's where we could start. All right, just read one nutrition article a week.

Starting point is 02:19:11 I'll send it to you. Let's just agree with that. That's where we started. Sometimes it takes a long time. I'm Lauren. I've been listening to you guys for about two years. Cool, right. And I just found you on iTunes.

Starting point is 02:19:21 Oh, cool. Yeah. My question is, what is a difficult situation that you guys have gone through that you are now grateful for? Looking back on it. In life or since the podcast has started? Just in general, in life.

Starting point is 02:19:34 Boy, you know, it's funny. All difficult situations have been through. I am grateful for because difficulties, what foster's growth? Real growth, you need the motivation of difficulty. Like, what's that one quote? The like the flower, and then the pain of not blossoming became greater than the plane of blossoming. So the flower blossom or something like that. Just like that. Anyway, you guys get the point.

Starting point is 02:20:01 I totally don't get the question was necessary for the butter fly. Damn, did I just do a ramp water? Yeah, that was a ramp water. Yeah, like if you could find that quote from me, I swear. Anyway, in other words, look up all flower coats, please. Oh, I like that. The pain of remaining in a bud became, anyway.

Starting point is 02:20:17 The point is, the point is challenge and difficulty is what, it's really what fosters real growth, because it's so uncomfortable, so painful that you either die or you grow. So, there's a lot of times I could quote one, that's probably most relevant to fitness was when my body really just rebelled on me. There it is.

Starting point is 02:20:41 And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Yeah, close. There you go. Anyway, when my body rebelled on me, you know, I was, I don't know how old I was, probably 30, 29, 30. And I had identified so strongly with my body, you know, being strong, muscular, whatever, I was a trainer, I had been a trainer, but it's point for 12 years or whatever. And I thought I had autoimmune issue at this point. I couldn't contain any food in my body. Lost about 15 pounds, was weak, tired.

Starting point is 02:21:12 I thought I was eating healthy. I was eating my chicken breasts and my whole wheat and all that stuff. I was working out. And here I was withering away, feeling terrible. Still had clients, people are asking me, what's going on, going to doctors, no one can figure it out.

Starting point is 02:21:27 And I, at this point, at this time, I had my wellness studio and I had two very smart wellness experts or individuals that worked with me. And they were very different from me. I was the trainer, I was the like, build muscle burn body fat, and they were the esoteric, meditate,

Starting point is 02:21:43 gut health, wellness type people. And here I was, and I finallyoteric, meditate, gut health, wellness, type people. And here I was and I finally gave in, I couldn't handle anymore, I sat them down, I'm like, I need your help, I don't know, I have no answers, I don't know what's going on. And so they said, okay, we're going to do gut testing, we're going to do a elimination diet, you're going to start to meditate, you're going to change your workouts, you're not going to do the super intense workouts anymore. We're going to lower your protein intake because you're going to insane amounts of protein. Eliminate all your supplements at this point

Starting point is 02:22:10 I was addicted to them. And it did that. It took a year. It was very, very difficult. I had to completely change my approach to everything. In fact, the way I got through it was to completely ignore how I looked. I actually stopped looking in the mirror because I'd identified so strong with how I looked. And at this point, I'd

Starting point is 02:22:33 give it in, and I'd just need to focus on my health. I don't look at myself anymore. And I said to myself, I don't care. I don't care what the end result of this is, I just need to be healthy because this is absolutely terrible. And I've talked about this on the show. There was one point where it was like a year later and I had seen a reflection off of another mirror and I had seen myself and because it was from a weird angle for split second, I thought it was someone else.

Starting point is 02:22:56 And I remember thinking like, oh, and I'm like, wait a minute. I look pretty good. And then for the first time, for the first time, I looked at the mirror and I'm like, holy shit, like I look better than I did before. And then it was like, oh wow, like being healthy made me look as good better than when I was just chasing trying to look a particular way.

Starting point is 02:23:15 And it was a huge monumental moment. But it was a year of shit. Like I'm serious, like I was so hyper reactive to certain foods. If a breadcrumb was on my food, that was it, I was fucked for a week. If I missed sleep, I was fucked for a week. If I trained too intensely, I was screwed. It was a very difficult time for somebody that identified so strongly.

Starting point is 02:23:40 I mean, imagine if you, whoever you think you are, and that shit gets challenged, like you're, you know, you love running, and then you can't run anymore or whatever, like, and so, very grateful. It turned out, if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't be who I am today, and I definitely wouldn't be doing what I'm doing right now. 100%.

Starting point is 02:23:59 I would still be that meet head. I would still be that guy talking about building muscle, macros, burning body fat. I would not be who I am today and for sure wouldn't be able to impact people in the positive ways I think I can do it now. There's been a few examples. I mean, I've brought this up on another podcast before, but for me, it was really my going to a school out in Chicago and it sounds like kind of trivial,

Starting point is 02:24:26 like it's not a big deal. For me, I had like this whole safety net. So I had all my friends, I had my family, I had my girlfriend at the time. And I was just literally just trying to figure out who I was and like what I was all about. And this was one of those Pivot moments. I just knew internally I had to step out of my comfort zone

Starting point is 02:24:51 and do something to find who I was. And I didn't wanna do it. And so I stayed for two years in San Jose and tried to go to school, tried to make this relationship thing work with my girlfriend at the time who's at Cal Poly and I was like going back and forth, like obsessing over trying to make it work and this long distance relationship

Starting point is 02:25:13 was just the ridiculous. It was stupid that I was trying to hang on to that. And so I just decided, I was like, I'm'm out of here. Like I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna do something that is shocking to my parents. It's shocking to my girlfriend at the time, like my friends leaving everybody, I'm out. And I had the opportunity, I had somebody that was recruiting and I gave him a tape and he's like, yeah,

Starting point is 02:25:41 we got a spot for you out here out in Chicago and I was like, oh shit, Chicago, I know nothing about Chicago. I got for a trip and, you know, the weather was great. It was like 70 degrees, you know, no humidity. It was like a total facade. Like there was like, I had no idea what I was in for. And I say that like everybody scoffs because we're like from California. And like there's no real weather concerns here. But I went there and it was like 30 below. And it's 30 below and

Starting point is 02:26:09 I'm like, I have no friends and I'm trying to like reinvent myself. Is this when you go from broke up with you? And she broke up with me and you know, you know, I'm gonna do a lot of stained at the time. And so, you know, yeah, there was some tears. And I'm not proud of that. But yeah, it was like challenging. It was like I, it took me a while to get outside of my shell even. Like I didn't wanna hang out with anybody. I was like a hermit there for like the first year.

Starting point is 02:26:37 I was just like, no, I'm just gonna work. I'm gonna work in finished school and become like at the time I wanted to be a physical therapist and so I was like learning to do that. And I had to work on getting outside of my comfort zone and introducing myself to people I didn't know and doing things that just really rotsied my character and I had to like build upon that.

Starting point is 02:27:04 And so that was like, that was the catalyst for where I am today. Like it, it obviously, I mean, it ruined my relationship, which was great, you know, like I'm super glad that didn't work out in hindsight. But you know, all these things like I, I just, I needed to do that. I needed to find out who I was. And that was really hard. And, you know, and I'm really thankful that I just decided that that was the right thing to do, and I went with it. So, I answered this on an interview that I did recently and what I told him was that it was my childhood.

Starting point is 02:27:46 So for me, and we don't talk a lot about it on the show, mainly because I don't like to, because I never want people to think that I feel sorry for myself, nor do I ever want people to think that I don't think that there's people that have been through way more shit than I have. I know that I probably had it on easy street

Starting point is 02:28:03 compared to a lot of kids. But those that don't know, my father committed suicide when I was seven. My mom remarried into an abusive relationship that she carried on for the remainder of the time that I would be in the house. And I carried a lot of animosity through my 20s towards her because of that. In my 30s, I'm grateful and I would never change it, looking back now. Now, when I see the path that I took and what that did to me as a kid

Starting point is 02:28:36 and how it changed me as a man and a grownup, 100% I wouldn't change a single thing because the way I look at it, and when Juan came up and asked about Ted talk stuff and I said I've mentioned that maybe I would talk about fear like The way I look at fear is so different than a lot of people and I probably would attribute that to how I grew up At that at that age to see the things that I saw to be a part of those things At that young of an age.

Starting point is 02:29:06 And at that age, you don't know any better. You just assume in your parents tell you things like every family has problems. You know, we're normal. You know, so so when I got older and, you know, things would be tough, like I would try something and fail or, you know, I would, you know, start a new business and not be good at it or try a sport and not be good at it. Like that was no big deal to me. I can't relate to somebody who just gets defeated by things so easy because I grew up as an underdog for so long and it forced me to thrive in that environment.

Starting point is 02:29:39 I know that it's forged me into the man that I am today. As dark as it is and as painful as it probably was, I 100% wouldn't go back and have it any different. And now my relationship with my mom, I think is incredible because I do. I think that she did the best that she could with the tools and the resources that she had. She had me at 20 years old.

Starting point is 02:30:01 She came from a very nasty, broken home. And so the behavior is that she learned, and she was married by the time she was 16 years old, she came from a very nasty, broken home. And so the behavior is that she learned. And she was married by time, she was 16 years old. So married by 16, have me by 20, father commits suicide, seven years later, she's 26 going on 27 years old, trying to raise two kids, like trying to make ends meet, found the first man that probably came into her life to kind of help her out.

Starting point is 02:30:24 He still happens to be an asshole and an abusive relationship and then took us along for the ride. Not meaning, you know, and not thinking, and I think I thought she was very selfish as a teenager going through and so that animosity was there. But now looking back today, I go,

Starting point is 02:30:38 man, like the things being the oldest of five, I mean, probably turn me into the leader that I am today, the way that I look at fear, the way that I look at adversity, none of that shit would have happened if I hadn't gone through all of that stuff as a kid, because then I would have looked at everything else, every other challenge that has hit my life, I probably would have looked completely different at that had it not been for that time. Hi, I'm Lindsay. Hi, Lindsay.

Starting point is 02:31:02 And I've been listening for about two years. They are a graduated high school, actually, which was two years ago. Oh, cool'm Lindsay. Hi, Lindsay. And I've been listening for about two years. They are a graduated high school actually, which was two years ago. Oh cool And Lauren my sister introduced me to you guys. Awesome. So my question is you kind of alluded to it a little bit But what are some of your biggest fears and how have you been able to overcome them or face them? Hmm gosh. Well, I mean mine's kind of pretty obvious. Like I am being a bubbly. I'm being a bubbly. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:31:31 That's one. He's not afraid of that. Spiders, I was gonna say. Besides that, yeah, just like speaking in front of people has always been a massive fear of mine. Like it's just public speaking. I know like style through the statistic out there, like that's like a pretty popular fear for a lot of people.

Starting point is 02:31:50 Every time we do these events, it's great for me because a lot of people can relate to that. It's not easy. It's not an easy process for me to articulate what I want to say all the time, to be able to really even have opinions all the time. A lot of times I just, I like to listen and then come up with a, you know, my, formulate my own opinion as the conversation progresses. And so a lot of people in the beginning thought that, you know, I was afraid to talk.

Starting point is 02:32:23 And it wasn't as much about that as to find the timing, find the rhythm, find where I can insert something that was a value or something that was ridiculous or funny or whatever. I've never had a problem with entertaining people or being silly or doing things like that, but to capture a crowd and teach them something and that always scared a shit out of me. I don't know why. It's just one of those things that never came naturally to me. So I've had to work my ass off to just get in front of people

Starting point is 02:32:59 and own it and know that nothing is gonna come out exactly the way that I wanna say it. know that nothing is gonna come out exactly the way that I wanna say it, and that's okay. And I can just keep talking and get better at it as I keep the reps happening and as I keep communicating with these guys and surrounding myself with people that are good at that, it comes naturally. So yeah, that's been one of my biggest things I've faced, which is, it's pretty

Starting point is 02:33:27 silly, but like I've had moments growing up where I've had to talk in front of class. And so like, you know, going through elementary school, I know a lot of people have had to present something in front of class, like a project. And I remember, I think, distinctively, it was like fourth grade, where I was supposed to demonstrate something. Like, it could have been anything. It could have been like throwing a ball or whatever. And I just couldn't come up with a concept.

Starting point is 02:33:58 And my mom's like, why don't you teach him how to cook like this, bake these cookies. I'm like, I don't know how to bake cookies. It's like it's fine, it's easy. Here's a recipe, just teach them. And I'm like, okay, I'll go with this. And I bombed. Like, I forgot everything she told me,

Starting point is 02:34:16 like everything. And I stood up there and I fucking froze. And I was just, like I was stiff, and I just, I didn't know what to do. And this happened a couple times like even in college, I had to present a massive project to everybody and I froze. And it and it like it still sticks with me like I didn't know how to get out of it. And it's crazy. It's like choking me up. But yeah, it was it was crazy.

Starting point is 02:34:43 So this has just been like a process of like, oh shit, like I have to get better at this. So that's crazy. Like I couldn't tell you that this is like, would ever be my job now, but it's cool. So definitely, it's cool watching you do it too. That's for sure. I think saying the wrong, right now, my biggest fear is saying the wrong

Starting point is 02:35:07 thing to our audience. And what I mean by that is like conveying a piece of information that does harm to somebody. So if I say something about an exercise or nutrition or I recommend to supplement and it takes somebody down the wrong path or hurts them. That really scares me. There's a lot of responsibility. I think that comes with knowing that people are listening. I remember, it used to give me anxiety when we first started the podcast, and I'd listen to the episodes. And in Doug would be like, oh, we got 500 downloads.

Starting point is 02:35:39 We got 1,000 downloads. I was like, oh, shit, 1,000 people heard what I had to say. And I'd hear what I say. And I'd be like, oh, my God, I hope I communicated that right or I hope. I'm telling them to do the right thing and I hope it helps them. I hope I'm not doing the wrong thing or saying the wrong thing.

Starting point is 02:35:52 That really freaks me out. Like I wanna make sure I say the right thing and I lead people in the right way. I also think it keeps me humble, or at least it attempts to keep me humble with some of the things that I say. But there's definitely a lot of responsibility with communicating certain things.

Starting point is 02:36:10 I can definitely be fearful, believe it or not, of talking in front of groups. I actually do a lot better talking on camera or on the microphone when I know that there's people out there, but being in front of people sometimes can make me nervous. But yeah, it's just, I wanna make sure that I say the right things on the podcast, lead

Starting point is 02:36:29 people the right way, and I don't cause anybody harm. That's those are my biggest fears right now. I don't really think I have too many fears, or I don't have a biggest fear, I should say. Because I kind of look at all fear the same way. I think people assume that I have this natural ability to be on the podcast or do things in front like I have all those same fucking fears and nerves like that. I just reframe it. So and I've done a lot of different shit. I've done all kinds of things and anything that you ever do for the first

Starting point is 02:37:01 time and you've never done, there's always a little bit of fear there. And maybe people feel a greater fear when they're doing it on a stage in front of lots of people, but because I don't judge myself and I kind of look at all fear, all kind of the same, in the same light. Like it's, okay, this is the first time I'm doing this. And I think that I accept, like, I'm probably gonna suck. I'm probably gonna fall.

Starting point is 02:37:24 This is probably gonna hurt. People are probably gonna laugh at me, people are probably gonna make fun of me, like I know that's all, so I anticipate all the potential worst case scenarios that could happen, and I get at ease with it. What's the word, someone's gonna make fun of me because I made up a word? Fuck you, you can appear and do this, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 02:37:44 That's my attitude, it almost anything that I approach. Now again, that's probably stemmed from the childhood stuff, right? Like, because then I probably did cry and get scared and had all these issues and shit like that as a young kid. But the more times that I face these situations where we feel fear, what I connected really early was the greater the fear and the scarier that it was Holy shit the more rewarding it was on the other side Now what's that quote on the other side of fear resides success success, right?

Starting point is 02:38:15 So the I then started to chase those moments like oh, I'm scared to do that. Oh, maybe I should do that You know, I even hear Justin talk about the F-16, like, ooh, that sounds even scarier than what I thought it was. Like, it doesn't scare me away from doing it. Like, I think that once you make peace with all the worst outcomes, and you're completely okay with that, to me all fear is the same.

Starting point is 02:38:41 It's, that's a stoic practice. You know what? Stoicism, I think that's like one of the top practices. Yeah. Like, play out the negative scenarios. Make peace with them. And then you're okay. Yeah, and so there's, I don't have a biggest, you know, day, the first day of this was,

Starting point is 02:38:55 I was nervous as fuck. We were drinking. I think I listened back. I'm like, oh my god, we were terrible. The first time I had to do YouTube, oh my god. The first time I had to stand up in front of a crowd of people and speak to them, oh my God, moving to a new city, not knowing any kids, oh my God, that was crazy.

Starting point is 02:39:10 First time I ever picked up a basketball and tried to dribble it and play kids, oh my God, first time I wake board, snowboard, like anything that I've ever done, there was always that moment of fear before I made the decision to do it. But when you do, when you make peace, I said, oh, I might fall down, I might get teased,

Starting point is 02:39:27 I might not be very good at it, I might have to try a lot at it. And I actually embrace that. I think it's, I like things that are more challenging, that are more fearful because I know the process to overcome. It's like even the way I approach swimming right now, I mean, I'll call someone out like a Ben Greenfield, like I'm gonna get you, like,

Starting point is 02:39:42 by no means should I be able to beat him, right? I mean, so, but I embrace that, and that and I could easily okay talk some shit on here go out there and get my ass whooped in the pool and then everybody tees me and make for me oh he's so cocky looking you got it like what is the worst that's gonna happen and I enjoy the process of working towards that goal to overcome that no matter what the outcome is. Excellent. And with that, go to mindpumpfree.com, download any of our guides for free. We got a lot on there. You can also find us on Instagram, Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. You can find me at Mind Pump Style.

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