Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1008: How to Improve the Mind to Muscle Connection, the Least Effective Exercises You Can Do, Exercising When Sick & MORE

Episode Date: April 12, 2019

In this episode of Quah, sponsored by MAPS Fitness Products (www.mapsfitnessproducts.com), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the most over-used, least effective movements in the gym,... how to improve the mind to muscle connection, if when sick or getting sick it is better to push through and work out to boost the immune system or just take it easy, and Sal and Justin's #1 piece of advice regarding fatherhood for Adam. Mind Pump living the brand: How Sal uses cordyceps, from Four Sigmatic, for ultimate performance in the gym, which adaptogen to use for a given situation, unique ways to use the Organifi plant protein powder & MORE. (4:52) Arya Saffaie takes the sword! The guys talk about his latest first place win + the ultimate home security weapon. (10:16) The new pet at the Di Stefano household: Giving your child responsibility and purpose. (17:31) The importance of doing mobility to keep from feeling stiff and rigid. The amazing potential of the body to adapt. (23:47) The ‘space race’ between Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. What should the average consumer look for and what challenges will they face in the future? (31:33) McDonald's $300 million tech deal, the future of automation and how minimum wage laws are terrible for the disenfranchised. (45:00) #Quah question #1 – What are the most over-used, least effective movements in the gym? (53:15) #Quah question #2 - How do you improve the mind to muscle connection? (1:06:54) #Quah question #3 – If you’re sick or getting sick it is better to push through and work out to boost the immune system or just take it easy? (1:15:38) #Quah question #4 – What is your #1 piece of advice regarding fatherhood for Adam? (1:23:51) People Mentioned Arya Saffaie IFBB Pro Olympian (@arya_saffaie)  Instagram Tero Isokauppia (@liamtero)  Instagram Jason Khalipa (@jasonkhalipa) Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned April Promotion: MAPS Split ½ off!! Code “SPLIT50” at checkout Four Sigmatic  **Code “mindpump” for 15% off** Organifi  **Code “mindpump” for 20% off** MAPS Fitness Products CNBC: Why Bezos is trying to reach every inch of the world with broadband satellites 5G Is Coming: An Overview of the Advantages and Challenges - DZone McDonald's $300 Million Tech Deal Will Revolutionize Menus - Bloomberg New Study Suggests Minimum Wage Leads To Automation Of Low-Skill Workers 3 Best Secrets - How To Make Your Butt Grow (AVOID MISTAKES!) | MIND PUMP Sleepy Butt Syndrome is Why Your Butt Won’t Grow Mind Pump Free Resources

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this exciting episode of Mind Pump. So exciting! Look, we're gonna talk all about fitness in this episode, but for the first 48 minutes, we have a lot of fun just doing introductory conversation. Here's what we talked about in that first portion of this episode.
Starting point is 00:00:28 We start out by talking about corticeps, I love corticeps for athletic performance. And all the mushrooms available from four sigmatic or all of our favorite ones, the plethora of mushrooms. Some of them boost your immune system, they're adaptogenic, they help your body handle stress, which means your body may adapt more efficiently for more body fat, build more muscle.
Starting point is 00:00:49 And then of course, the record of steps being my favorite for performance enhancement. Now, for Sigmatic is one of our sponsors. They use a patented dual extraction process for their mushroom supplements. If you go to forSigmaticFOURSIGMI-C dot com forward slash mine pump, and you use the code mine pump, you'll get a big discount. Then we talked about vegan protein and how most of them are disgusting, but not organifies.
Starting point is 00:01:16 It tastes really good. It's actually one of our favorites and how Adam has been using it in his delicious smoothie popsicles. It's the only time I go vegan sale. Organify is one of our sponsors. If you go to organify.com-sash-mind-pump and use the code MindPump, you'll get 20% off their protein
Starting point is 00:01:33 and any of their other supplements. They have a lot of stuff on there. Then we talk about our friend Aria and how he got first place and overall at his last competition, the dude was diced, shredded and muscular, crazy genetics, that guy, crazy. Then we talked about my sword and my home security, I guess my approach.
Starting point is 00:01:53 We talked about the new pet we got at my house. It's a guinea pig, a little cute little guinea pig. Then we talked again about my mobility or lack of mobility. We talked about how Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are starting a space race. This is going to get kind of cool. Who's going to be a Mars space force? We got the space race. Man.
Starting point is 00:02:14 One who's going to get to Mars first. Yeah. Then we talked about the impact of technology on the future and we brought up the $300 million tech deal that McDonald's just did to create new menus. That's how much an app costs these days. Then we talked about fitness stuff by answering fitness questions. Here's the first question,
Starting point is 00:02:35 what's the most overused and least effective movement that we see people doing in the gym? So we rank the exercises and talk about their benefits and which ones are probably a waste of time. Next question, how do you improve the mind to muscle connection? Now the mind to muscle connection is literally your ability to feel, control, and squeeze a particular muscle. So let's say you want to build your butt.
Starting point is 00:03:01 You want to be able to feel the butt working when you're doing exercises like squats if that's your goal, again, to build the butt. We talk about techniques and how to improve upon that skill. The next question, if you're sick or getting sick, should you go workout or should you not work out, which one's better for the immune system? Because I thought exercise boosted the immune system. What's going on here? Binge Netflix.
Starting point is 00:03:22 And the final question, what was our, when I say our, I mean Justin and I, number one piece of advice to Adam for fatherhood, he's about to become a father, so we give him some wisdom. Yeah, don't screw this up. That's right. Also, this month, Maps Split is half off. Now Maps Split is an advanced program, okay? So listen, if you like lots of volume,
Starting point is 00:03:48 if you like going to the gym six days a week, if you've been working out for a while and need to take your body to the next level and you're ready for this kind of a program, it is amazing. It's a BodyBuilder Physique Competitor, Bikini Competitor Advanced workout. It's half off.
Starting point is 00:04:06 Just go to maps, split, 2s is in the middle, dot com, maps, splt.com, and use the code split 50 splt. 5.0, no space for the 50% off discount. Also listen, if you're not advanced, if you're listening to me and saying, well, that's too much. I can't go to the gym six days a week, too much volume. It is a lot. I need something that is better for my body and my goals.
Starting point is 00:04:30 We have a lot of programs, a lot of fitness programs, some design for beginners, others for people who are immediate, people who want to just get strong, people who like to train like a strong man, people like to train like an athlete, people who like to do high-intensity interval training. We have lots of different programs you can find all of them at mapsfitnisproducts.com.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Think about it this way. This is a creative medium. Right? I'm with you. So, keep selling. Foster the creativity. Okay. And the podcast improved dramatically.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Build it and they will come. Basically, so if we have VR goggles, right, we'll be like in, like imagine, I'm talking about a study and while I'm talking about the study, we're flying through the brain. What's in your drink over there, brother? What you got there? Ah!
Starting point is 00:05:21 Cortiseps. Oh yeah. Yeah dude, today's my caffeine free day, so I do... You want that four-sigmatic? Yeah! Well so I figured out for myself that the best schedule for caffeine is three days a week, but it would in between, I still feel, I need a little bit of something, a little bit of something that gives me a little bit of zip, that's not a stimulant, that's not gonna...
Starting point is 00:05:42 A little zippy-zappy. Exactly. And so I do cordo-seps, because I notice, I think you, I think you, so you need to do a post on your Instagram or something, even for me, like, I always forget what mushroom is responsible for what thing. Like, okay, so, so I'll make it simple, I'll make it real simple. For athletic performance, stamina, strength, muscle of course, cordisps, cordisps will be the one. Good job,
Starting point is 00:06:07 just jump in the gear. You get a star next to your name. I feel smart. Yeah, but you had all the checks next year, and I didn't see when you were a kid. I did. I raised my hand a lot. Cordisps for performance. If you're like performance, mind it, right? If you want more new, tropic type properties, you want a clear thinking, you want something that's good for brain health, that's lion's mane.
Starting point is 00:06:29 Lion's mane has got some pretty interesting studies backing it up. That's right, mane. If you want overall anti-inflammatory, immunosupportive anti-cancer, longevity type effects, Rashi, no, Chaga. Yeah, Rashi, Rashi, the one, Rashi's one, I know that's one that's the comic.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Comsied out. Yes, if you want enziolytic properties, Rashi, but here's the thing about these mushrooms, and this is why I pushed so hard early on to get to work with four-sigmatic, is because all these mushrooms, although they have those specific effects, they all have adaptogenic qualities.
Starting point is 00:07:07 And adaptogens mark my words. The adaptogen market will be the biggest, it already is a huge market, but it's going to explode because adaptogenic supplements, herbs, and mushrooms help the body reach homeostasis. So they make them suitable, which makes them suitable for general stress, general anxiety, general lack of sleep, general shitty, you know, just not feeling good. They also play well with other medications, right? Like if you're taking medication,
Starting point is 00:07:39 like it's not gonna kind of conflict with that. I wouldn't even say that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's a bold, yeah. That's random as know. I don't know. That's a bold. Yeah, that's random as fuck. I don't know. Where did that state come from?
Starting point is 00:07:48 He was talking, he's getting it. I don't know. He got a couple right also. You started off some bullshit right there. We're gonna end up. We're gonna end up. Let's throw this one out there. Did you see, did you see tariffs?
Starting point is 00:07:58 You fucking guy. No, it's like caffeine really worse. So you know what else? Like about mushrooms. It helps you get laid. They're 14 double hydrogen bombs. That's true at all. That's actually an atomic weight of 5.3. Did you see Terrell shirt that he was rocking the day,
Starting point is 00:08:16 the mushrooms with a new kale? He's right. He's right, dude. And the thing about mushrooms too is when you start to to dive deep into supplementing with them There's two ways that you can use them. You can either use the dried herb or the dried Mushroom or you could do what's called a hot water extract and both of them provide different benefits But what for sigmatic does is they do a dual extraction process
Starting point is 00:08:44 So it's like you get all the benefits of the mushroom. Can I just say how proud of our team I am? I mean, living the brand here, here you are drinking our chaga. One of them. And I got Rachel. I saw her. So those that don't know, Rachel runs the mind pump media IG now. So Taylor is overwhelmed with all the other stuff that he's working on.
Starting point is 00:09:04 Rachel's now taking over that. So that's nice. She's assisting that. So be polite, be nice to her. And I saw her this morning making the smoothie box with the Organifi protein. She was, she was smiling while she was drinking it. I was like, what are you doing? This is so good.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Well, that's, so that's what I've been doing too. Except for I've been making the popsicles out of it. So I take the protein powder and I put've been doing too, except for I've been making the popsicles out of it. So I take the protein powder and I put it, and it's, for some reason, the protein powder, I don't know if it's because it's the vanilla flavor, it gives it kind of a sweeter taste, which I think makes the popsicle better. With the collagen protein that it comes with, it's solid, but adding the organifi protein into the, with the smoothie box and freezing it as popsicles. Game jams.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Well, I forgot how bad vegan proteins are normally. I was at Whole Foods. We were on a road trip and I'm like, it's very bad for plants. Yeah, they don't like it. Yeah. I had a screaming. I wanted to sprinkle some into a smoothie myself
Starting point is 00:09:59 and I didn't have my organified with me. So I was at Whole Foods and I grabbed a packet of their vegan pro disgusting. Organified, I don't know my organified with me. So I was at Whole Foods and I grabbed a packet of their vegan pro disgusting. Organified, I don't know how they do it, but it's so much better than the typical vegan protein. So yeah, it's way tastier. Yeah, it's gross. Dude, what's up with Arya?
Starting point is 00:10:16 Did he just crush? Yes, shout out to my brother. Dude, so proud of this guy. He didn't just take first place. He won the sword, which is like, overall, I'm like, overall, yeah, I'm not gonna lie, I always wanted one of those, dude, because you not only have to take first place
Starting point is 00:10:30 in your category, they put you against all the first place people of the show and you win the entire show. So that's a weird trophy. It's a cool one. It's like Conan, you know? It's like, yeah. That's a dope warrior.
Starting point is 00:10:43 I mean, it is kind of cool, but who came up with the idea? Like, hey, you know, normally we give people medals, like what that's a do my worry. I mean, I mean, it is kind of cool But who came up with the idea like, you know normally we give people Metal like what else can we do it's probably some like some like total door can you give me a sword? Give them a sword, you know, I mean I have a sword. I don't win my sword though. What kind of sword do you got so Years ago my house got burglarized. So it got it got it got burgled It got burglary. Yeah, which I got it got burgled. It got burgled Yeah, which I'm trying to bring that word back by the way instead like robbed is that a real Virgo. Yeah, like if you if you're if you're gonna go burgl someone
Starting point is 00:11:12 It's robbing burgl me bro. Doesn't it sound better. I like it. Yeah, it sounds smarter anyway I and what happens when your house gets burglied Especially as a father with kids and everything is your level of, what's that word I'm looking for, Doug? You're hyper vigilant. You become hyper vigilant. I don't care. After that happened, people would walk by my house, walk in the dog and they'd be like,
Starting point is 00:11:37 this motherfucker's. Keep walking. Yeah, he's kissing my house. I know he is, I'm like, so. So I went out and did some stupid shit. So I bought a crossbow. I bought a sword. And I don't know so I went out and did some stupid shit. So I bought a crossbow. I bought a sword. And I don't know what I was thinking,
Starting point is 00:11:48 and I placed them in different, and I was like, okay, I was like a samurai sword, or were talking like blunt, you know, for sword. Dude, it's a crazy looking, so it's like a black sword, and it's got like a jagged edge on one side. And then I didn't realize, I thought to myself, I bought it,
Starting point is 00:12:02 and I'm like, somebody comes in here. Where did you buy this? I mean, Amazon, okay. I can't get it and I'm like somebody comes in here. Where where did you buy this? I'm in Amazon. Oh, okay. I'm gonna go to Amazon. Yeah, of course. That's stupid But then I had the sword I'm holding it and I thought to myself on my man What a terrible way to kill someone you'd have to like you'd have to eat a bunch of hacks Yeah, yeah, you have to lean to go like so deep you would exert a lot of energy right trying to kill the perpetrator Like you'd have to sit there and like that What if you just secure him? Yeah, I don't think it works. He's easy
Starting point is 00:12:28 Yeah, I don't think it's like you need one of those like what are those French blazed one that are like really thin and skinny and The Big tack no like think about it. I went through in my head I'm like okay like because you have to be prepared if you have a weapon and you're gonna defend yourself people don't realize this a lot of prepared. If you have a weapon and you're gonna defend yourself, people don't realize this. A lot of times people will buy a gun and it gets used on them because they're afraid to use it.
Starting point is 00:12:51 So the person just walks towards them and they're not able. So if you're ever gonna pull out a weapon and defend yourself, you have to be prepared to use it to defend yourself. So I had to mentally think about using my sword and I'm like, you practice on like watermelons and outside, like what was your process? No, I just in just in the air just
Starting point is 00:13:07 You know, that's not good. Yeah, yeah, I know I know come on man So I thought to myself like someone came in like what would I do and like I'd hate them But then they fight back and I'm like man, I'd have to like I'd have to kill him for like 10 minutes You know, I mean it's a lot of time killing. That's terrible. Yeah, they should a guy would be a lot easier Way easier, right? Yeah, just blink. I think I think shooting a gun would be a lot easier. Way easier, right? Just bling. I think the ultimate home protection weapon would be a shotgun. It is, right?
Starting point is 00:13:30 Just to hear the noise, right? Well, that's what they say. They say that. It's not only that, but it's also, it spreads. So you don't have to be, I mean, shooting a gun, okay? If you've never gone to a gun rage and shot, and then also you think in a moment where you're scared to death for your life,
Starting point is 00:13:44 also you're gonna have a great age. You're gonna get it right right or he's gonna hold still for you five feet away. You know the so there's a good chance if you've never really you're not comfortable firing a fireman you have one in your house. So you get a 45 you hit him in the foot he's dead. Yeah. The kick the kick on that. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Yeah. Shotgun you could be off by like fuck you could be off your target by like five feet. No, you know what so That's what I thought too, but I have a friend of mine who's a swap and I was talking to him And he said first of all shotgun is is one of the best for home security because the The sound it makes when you cock it or whatever a lot of times that I'll scare away and Intruder and intruder I and then I brought that up, I said, well, what about the fact that I can put like,
Starting point is 00:14:28 buckshot or bird shot, if I don't want to like kill someone but really scare him, or buck shot will kill him, but it has a spread. He goes, if you're in your house, the distance between you and someone and she's like, it's gonna make that big of a difference. Cause you're not gonna be like, from here to way over there, you're right in front of them.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Well, it's not gonna make that big of a difference. I don't know if I agree with that. I mean, there's a, I don't know, he's a swap guy. You get, he says, yeah, I don't know, he knows. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:53 I mean, I guess, I guess, does every encounter when someone breaks in your house, you're within five feet. I mean, if you got a, well, think how big your house is. What's the furthest he could be? Downstairs and you're upstairs? Well,
Starting point is 00:15:03 you're gonna aim at Adam and you're gonna, and then what's he, what's he, when you're gonna shoot him right away? Of course, if you, I'm up stairs. If there's a one that shoots a wall. If there's a burgo here in my house, I'm upstairs, he's downstairs and I'm looking at him. I'm gonna fire from upstairs.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Why would I go down, let me get close to you and see if it's better, no. Oh man. I know, you're right. I would, that's probably the smart thing to do, but in California you go in jail, you know that? You be in jail, dude.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Unless they were attacking you or they were brandishing. That's crazy. That's crazy. I think, how does it work? Because I know there is some like loopholes to that. You're all honey, get the knife and put it in the sand. I think if they've broken into your house and your house, you can legally shoot them. I think it's not only, you're in Texas, yeah, not in California.
Starting point is 00:15:44 In California, they have to be, like, lethal, they have to be doing stuff to you, something to be like attacking you or having a gun themselves. But if they just break in and you shoot them, you go to your ass is grass. Yeah, that seems crazy to me because just the act of them breaking into your house
Starting point is 00:16:01 is an act of terrorism. It's aggressive, it's violent, it's all those things. So why wouldn't you defend yourself? Well, so again, I asked my buddy the same question. He was a guy I trained to jitzi with, and I used to ask him these questions all the time, and he says, well, he goes in California, the odds are that you may get in big trouble.
Starting point is 00:16:21 He goes, however, what would you rather deal with having to go to court to fight? To have to however, what would you rather deal with having to go to court to fight? To have to say, I would take the risk of having to fight it in court and not going to prison. If some dudes in a ski mask in my kitchen, and I fucking, and they made that decision to break into your house, dude, it slides out.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Yeah, that's what it's out. Yeah, that's what I would say, too. Anyway, so, but yeah, shotgun is supposed to be the best. I don't know. I might be going I might be going to the range soon to try out some really have you guys ever fun. Have you guys gone to yeah? My brother and I actually for Christmas got us like this whole case of shotgun shells
Starting point is 00:16:56 And he's been saying that we need to go so I can't wait to go I live I like to shoot the the clay the clay I've never done that. That's really fun. I've never done that. That's a blast. Let's write it out That's right up the road from here. Yeah for sure we'd love to clay desk. I've never done that. That's really fun. I've never done that. That's a blast. Let's do it. That's right up the road from here. For sure we'd love to do that. I have never done that. It sounds like so much fun.
Starting point is 00:17:11 It is a lot of fun. It's a lot of, you know, be cool for us to do it like during the week and there's nobody. It's like set up like a going bowling, except for your shooting ski. You walk around all these different stations and. So we'll all go up there and shoot skits together? Yeah, we can all do, we can all do skits, skits, skits. You know what I mean? It would be great. I don't all do skeet skeet skeet. You know what I mean? That would be great.
Starting point is 00:17:26 I don't know if I'm gonna go anymore. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Anyway, I saw your, was it on your Instagram? I saw this or did you send it? Jessica, she posted it. Oh, okay Jessica, you got yourself from, oh, you just got close.
Starting point is 00:17:40 She got close, big time. So my kids have a dog at their mom's house and we don't have any pets. And I see the value it's brought to them, their responsibility, they have something to care for. But it's a lot of work to have a pet and all that. Anyway, so Jessica's been trying to talk, you know, kind of talking about getting a guinea pig
Starting point is 00:18:01 because she had one, she was a kid and she thought it was great, missing that in the other. And I'm always like, I don't know if I want one, it's work, what if we go on vacation this at? Anyway, last night we're sitting there in dinner with my daughter, and my daughter's like, oh, you know, it's cute, a guinea pig, just because like you wanna go get one right now?
Starting point is 00:18:16 Oh my God, just like all she needed. Yep, that was it, dude. So now we have a little... Now we have a little guinea pig, it's only, it's young, so it's only this big. But apparently they get like that big. What do you do with those things? They just like spin wheels the whole time, right?
Starting point is 00:18:31 That's what they do. I thought, are you like, they're like a furry rat? They are really much. They are, they're from the rodent family. Yeah, why did I have a rabbit? I wanna get a rabbit. Rabbit's are cool. Yeah, I had one of those.
Starting point is 00:18:41 We had a little rabbit, that was cool. He was boring, that was bite the shit out of me. Yeah, our rabbits a little that was cool. He was boring, but he was bite the shit out of me. Yeah, our rabbit's a little bit more vicious. Yeah. It was nice, but then it would like, it didn't like getting taken out of its cage and so just like, oh, I'm just biting my fingers. Just leave it in there all the time.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Yeah, I was like, oh, fuck you. No, this one's cute, man. It's like, if you hold it, it tries to burrow into your arm, so it's just like hiding there, and they're nice and furry. I like it. I bet she loves it. Oh, my daughters.
Starting point is 00:19:04 So did you have like the sit down conversation of like,. I bet she loves it. Oh, my daughters. Fucking so. So did you have like the sit down conversation of like, this is what you need to change this this often. You got to make sure you figure out you always did. You do the responsibility part of it. Yeah. I mean the poopies. Yeah, we did all that.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Had the whole conversation. If you think about it, you know, responsibility for kids, even if it's a pain in the ass and this and that, it's a good thing. No, it absolutely can be good. It gives them kind of like a little bit of purpose and plus they have to be responsible for another living thing, which I think is a good thing.
Starting point is 00:19:31 But I think the big problem is a lot of times parents will buy a pet and then they end up having to do. That's not worth the lizard. I'm so glad you didn't get a lizard. Why? So they're pain in the ass. Really? Oh, they're so high maintenance.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Really? So high maintenance, dude. You have to have the right humidity. You have to have the right temperature. You have to like feed them crickets with like, and you have to dust them with this like calcium dust. And like, this is whole process to them. And then you have to like entice it.
Starting point is 00:19:58 So, you know, it's like. You must have got like some lizard with poor gut health. It was, it was a fucking good, fucking gutt of lizard. You're the sound lizard. Yeah, yeah. It was a fucking good fucking cut of this. You're gonna sound lizard. You're gonna tell me you have a like, pro-bite- I don't need a problem. You put the fuck.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Oh man, yeah, it was a pain in the ass. And so we were trying to teach the kids this and I'm like, they're not gonna ever do even one step of this. So we had to do the whole thing. But yeah, and then it's lifespan was as long as, you know, the others, so we went through the whole cycle of life. You got rid of your chickens too, didn't you? Not yet, almost.
Starting point is 00:20:32 Yeah, yeah, that's in the works. And hopefully, well, not rid of them, but we're giving them to like one of Courtney's friends who has a bunch of chickens and like, they're still producing, so we're like, I'm like trying to sell it to her friend. Like, hey, here's our top performer. And like this one.
Starting point is 00:20:49 And so hopefully I'm close because I want that area back, dude. I want that back to have my backyard. What are you gonna do with it? I have all these plants to have a deck and everything extended out there. So it's so manly. You're so sick of lines and a lot of shit.
Starting point is 00:21:03 You're the most manly person in this room. I can't do any of that shit. I can't build anything. You could if you had to. I absolutely. I don't think I could. That's the problem. Well yeah, I could if I had to because I could call you.
Starting point is 00:21:14 Hey, Justin, come over. I have to do this thing. You gotta pay me a bunch of beer for that. So how many chickens you have left in? I have four. Four chickens? Four, five. Used to be five.
Starting point is 00:21:26 And they're producing how many eggs are they producing the four? I mean, they were doing one a day, which was great. Each one is doing one a day. So I would get that, but then they said, they're so fucking moody. It's like some days you'll get them, it's some days you won't, and I'm psyched. What is the deal?
Starting point is 00:21:50 Yeah, but are you spending time with them and start talking to them? No. Well, of course they're not gonna, that's not bro. I mean, that was the kid's job and Courtney's job and it was like, I don't know, they're just so dumb. You're kind of striking out on the whole pets thing, man.
Starting point is 00:22:04 I'm good, I'm good with pets. Yeah, he's got the dogs. The dogs good. Who shits on his foot? Well, that goes so well for you over there, guy. And I used to be great with animals. Maybe it's me. Yeah, there's the coming of them. Maybe it's me. Shit. I didn't think about that. Well, let's see what happens with the little guinea pig. Yeah, they're fun. Yeah. We'll see. Our friends will come over play with her. I think the only thing, the main thing with them is like changing the, like the news betting.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Yeah, the betting, because I think it's, there's a sting. Yeah, you do the spot cleaning every day and then once a week you just clean it. They're pretty hardy. I did my research, I went online and read about them. And apparently they're pretty hardy little creatures. Like they live along.
Starting point is 00:22:42 If you take care of them, that little shit's gonna live like for another six years, dude. Wow. Yeah. So we have like a long term pet here, all of a sudden. Yeah, you know what I mean? That's, that's coming.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Six of that means it's getting warmed up for a cat or a dog, right? That's kind of cool. At some point, I'll probably get, that was the other thing too, we were talking about what kind of dog we do wanna get. And we're so opposed on the kinds of dogs that we want. You are with Jessica?
Starting point is 00:23:09 Because I feel like you like all the girly ass dogs. And she likes big ass dogs. She wants a fucking monster. How funny is that? This guy's like, I want a pumbarine. She's like, let's get a pit. No, dude, I showed her, I made the mistake of showing an American bulldog. you ever seen an American bulldog?
Starting point is 00:23:26 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like 130 pound. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and she's like, that's the dog that I want. I'm like, that's a, that dog shits bigger than I do. Are you sure you want this dog? I love it. And the one I like is like the little b-shon
Starting point is 00:23:38 or the, you know, palm rainy or like a, yeah, all the chick dogs. Oh, they're great, cause you can, yeah, they're good. They're adorable. Anyway, dude, I, yesterday I was, what was I doing? I was reaching up on something, climbing something, I tripped and I had to catch myself and I caught a glimpse of myself catching myself.
Starting point is 00:23:57 You know what I'm saying? So I had this unique opportunity. Like it happened in slow motion. I had this unique opportunity to witness my movement. And we had just interviewed somebody that talked about the aesthetics of movement and why they're aesthetics. And I looked and I was like, that looked terrible.
Starting point is 00:24:15 There was no aesthetics in there. That's how I feel like when I get out of the car everyone's so wild. Dude, I catch that same feeling of like, except I'm not falling. But I think it was actually your car because your car is kind of lower to the ground in comparison to mine.
Starting point is 00:24:28 And you know, I find myself, I wedge my forearm on one side of the other side and then I, when I get out and then I, I caught myself like, oh my God, did I just like, getting out of the car like a task? Dude, I moved and I looked and I'm like, oh man, that's bad. Like, I'm not that far.
Starting point is 00:24:44 I got like 10, 15 years before I, you know, stepping down a curb, I'm gonna have to like, take, pay attention. So I told Jessica I'm like, I want you every night, hold me accountable to do, like mobility and stretching work, everything, I have to, I have to do it. Because I'm naturally stiff.
Starting point is 00:25:00 My nature, my natural genetics is to be very tense and stiff, which is good for certain aspects of things, but terrible for overall movement. And as I get older, just get more. It was funny, because after that interview, you're like, because you brought up something about wrestling and how you like that. That translated to right away, I was like,
Starting point is 00:25:21 you just shit on that idea. No, bro. Oh, it was so great. Because you're like, oh man, this makes so much sense. He was so polite about it too. Because I was like, that was probably the worst example actually of that of all sports. No, it blew my mind. Yeah, it blew my mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's a very specific sport that you get very good at. Yeah. So you're not very athletic for other types of things. Yeah, he was like watching,
Starting point is 00:25:43 what do you, he's the example of like shooting a basketball, you know, when the wrestlers would go try to shoot a basketball, like a way over the net. Yeah. And I was like, oh, that makes perfect sense. That's me. Yeah, anyway. So yeah, I'm going to be doing that. And then one of the things I'm working on is my neck mobility, because I'm sure you guys
Starting point is 00:25:59 notice that when I turn my neck, I look like the first Batman. Remember the first Batman with Michael Keaton, where the suit didn't turn his neck? If you pay attention, watch that old Batman. And notice every time it turns a look, like the shoulders. It's her body out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:13 That's me half the time. And a lot of that has to do with judo and jujitsu because you get thrown a lot and you're constantly your neck's getting cranked all the time. And so I've lost all this mobility in my neck. So last night, she was having me do like tension moves and shit with my neck.
Starting point is 00:26:28 A lot of the stuff that we show in Prime Pro. And man, that stuff's hard, man. It's been a game changer for me, dude. I do a lot of this stuff religiously now because of what an impact it's made on my life. I mean, we set out maybe, God, it's been almost two years now when since I've been done with competing
Starting point is 00:26:49 and then the next big goal for me after that was becoming this hyper-mobile guy. I tell you what, dude, my favorite now is, it's really comfortable for me. I was just playing with kids this last weekend and stuff and I'll just get down in that squad of position and I'll hang out there, bro. I'll hang out there for a half hour now.
Starting point is 00:27:07 It's actually comfortable to be in that where I remember just two years ago, I mean, I would be sweating after two minutes of trying to sit really deep like that. It's now become a very comfortable position for me to relax in and it feels amazing. It's amazing how the potential of the body to adapt, isn't it? Because I think there's a lot of people, I mean, I'm sure you guys experienced this too. I experienced this all the time,
Starting point is 00:27:31 or a client would come in, and they had accepted so strongly that whatever their issue was was just there with them forever. Like, oh, yeah, my back, I can't do that. It just doesn't, I haven't been able to in 20 years. And then through exercise, just to blow their minds for them to see that, I haven't been able to walk this way
Starting point is 00:27:52 without my knees hurting in 15 or 20 years. It's funny because we know better, right? But it still blows you away. Well, I think why people give up to that is, because I think at one point most people try or making attempt to improve it. And the bottom line is it just takes a lot of time and a lot of practice and a lot of frequency
Starting point is 00:28:16 to be able to reverse some of the poor habits that you've created potentially over decades. And so you think, oh, because, oh, hey, I heard a mind pump or oh, I got this new mobility thing and I've been doing it every day for a month. And it's like, sure, I feel a little bit better, but I'm nowhere near and then they just kind of give up on it.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Or, and that's somebody who's consistent. Most people are like sporadically putting it in and expecting it to change the life. Most people still look at it like stretching. Like it's something like you're doing as a result of feeling pain instead of it being a practice that you're going to continue on forever. You know, it's like, it's not going to have that kind of impact and benefit unless you really adopt it as something that you're always going to be doing.
Starting point is 00:29:00 You know, I even like, I create all these little weird habits now. Like when I take a piss piss when I'm in the shower And all is to correct these imbalances like for example my big one right that has been a lot of work for me Is our our zone one test with the wall test right? You don't do that. What you're paying so I do that. I do that when I'm a shower Oh, so let's say cuz you need your hands right well, I don't need an hour P It's not even the hands part so I like when I'm in the shower I'll stand on the running hot water and because the hot water's running on my back
Starting point is 00:29:27 I'm it just wrote it's what reminds me to get in that position I can feel my neck and I just I took my chin and sit back and I double tight my core and and squeeze my glutes And I just as the one running waters on there, but I'm just it's just little things like that I've created when I'm standing and I'm peeing, that was the pronating of the feet. So, you know, my feet used to collapse in when I would squat. And so, when I stand up and go to the restroom, I always make sure to shift my weight on the outside and then I'll move my toes and squeeze it forward. Well, the reason why this is mentioned in your story, I mean, I touched my toes when I went my ass. Yeah, they might not know when they listen a set of episodes. I'm sorry, we will know'll know. No, those are good practices because they become a part of your daily life.
Starting point is 00:30:09 And so it makes it easier to do it every day. Right. Rather than having to designate time to, you know, although I think in the beginning you need to designate time. No, that's exactly how it started. So it started with this, it was my main goal. It had to be. If I was going to make this improvement, it was like, okay, I'm shifting my focus of being the meathead bodybuilder
Starting point is 00:30:28 guy. Now I'm going to be this movement guy. And so workouts became completely centered around that. It was the main goal. Then when I started to see really good progress, it was motivating to keep going and then starting to increase the frequency of all this mobility work. Then I got to a point where I was like, holy shit, I'm actually, I can squat really well now. Now, I just have to create those little practices. So now, I do not have to prime, like I used to have to prime to get into a squat because I'm always priming all day long all the time
Starting point is 00:30:58 with all these little practices. I just make sure I go to pet my dogs, I don't bend over. I get all the way down to my squat and I pet my dogs. I pet my dogs three, don't bend over. I get all the way down to my squat and I pet my dogs. I pet my dogs three, four times a day every day. And so it's just to, it's become these little habits that now I don't have to spend 30 minute workouts trying to address it as long as I continue those things.
Starting point is 00:31:15 And it's been incredible, but you first have to put that work and I feel like to get to that point. Right, right. Well, it's gonna be a little bit of a focus now because it's getting bad, you know what I mean? Yeah. I'm starting to move like a plank of wood. I just can imagine a plank of wood moving. That's what I'm starting to look like. You guys keeping an eye on the space race that's going on between Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk. Now why are they competing? What is the goal? Well, so they're not competing and they actually
Starting point is 00:31:42 asked them that they're like they don't they don't look at it as competition they look at it as. Yeah, those two guys. They look at it as opportunity and they're getting after it. Now, we've known for a long time that Elon Musk has been in the space race and with SpaceX and making his moves. But now Jeff Bezos has the same agenda. And I think his company is like blue origin. I think is what it is.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Is the intent to bring like, you know, like average people up into space? Oh no, no, no, no, no. This is more like exploration. Wi-Fi. So this is like Wi-Fi around the world. So there's like, I think I forget what I read, but there's like four billion people
Starting point is 00:32:23 that don't have internet access. And so the way companies like Amazon look at this is, that's a Facebook who also would like to get into this race, but aren't, is, oh, this is four billion potential customers that we can have, connect, could connect. That could be four billion more people using Amazon. And I think that, you know, SpaceX has the advantage because Elon's
Starting point is 00:32:47 ahead in this race because he started it first, but Jeff Bezos, I think, has way more power because benefits his company more than I think it benefits Elon Musk. Well, what they're also some on their website right now, and it says their vision, it's so it's blue origin. Their vision is a future where millions of people are living and working in space. And they want to do like tourism in space as well. So here's what's fascinating. Here's what's fascinating. This is what I want people to pay attention to. Because we've had a space race before, and this was back during the Cold War, when the United States and the Soviet Union were competing to see who could do what in space first. And a lot of that was posturing.
Starting point is 00:33:26 A lot of it was to show the other person that we have the capabilities to go off into space. Therefore, we may have the capabilities to destroy your country type of deal. A lot of it was national pride. We're gonna be the first ones on the moon. We're gonna be the first ones to send a man into space. We're gonna be the first ones to have a satellite.
Starting point is 00:33:41 But you had two massive countries spending insane amounts of money to be the first people in the moon or to kind of do the space race. Now we have two companies doing the same thing. This is an incredible example of market versus kind of centralized planning. And so what I want people to watch is to see the difference between the two.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Now, if there's definitely market viability, what I will predict is that you're gonna see that Bezos and Musk and other private companies are gonna do a faster, cheaper, and better than governments have ever have done. Well, to that point, this is also why I would leverage on Jeff Bezos' because this is what he's notorious for is moving into a market and undercutting everybody
Starting point is 00:34:27 Taking a loss because this is the benefits of having investors and people backing you and being publicly traded as you can come in and you could go into a space undercut everybody take a loss for five five years out produce gain the network of people and then raise prices which is kind of like the formula Yeah, so is the moon does it already have like real estate? Like have they divided it up amongst like countries? How are they managing? I think the major superpowers,
Starting point is 00:34:52 and made a treaty that said that nobody could ever know. No one could put a station on the moon. It's kind of a, so like let's say the US went up and did that. Well, first off, if a private US company went up and tried to do that on the moon, if a private US company went up and tried to do that on the moon, they'd be breaking federal law. But, and if a country did it, let's say the US said, all right, we're going to go put a space station on the moon, all the other superpowers. And for obvious reasons, strategically speaking, that could be a very
Starting point is 00:35:21 bad, you know, allowing your other countries to have a potential missile base or something on the moon is a bad idea. Yeah, there's all kinds of science fiction warnings about that. Yeah, but it is interesting to see that the private market compete for space. Theoretically, there are asteroids and planets that are floating out there, and it's totally not market viable right now. The cost would never justify it, but in the future, who knows?
Starting point is 00:35:50 There's asteroids that are floating around that are made out of like diamond or made out of precious metals. This is true. And if it ever became viable for us to fly out and get mine one of these things, I mean, it could totally happen. And we would totally do it.
Starting point is 00:36:05 But it'll be interesting to see what solutions they come up with through the market. Like Elon Musk's and his reusable rockets, for example. I mean, that is a very cost-effective in comparison to the older model of this huge rockets that burn out and then we have to kind of build new ones and stuff. It's pretty cool. I kind of think of like, no one's really talking about what because here we are, we're just now
Starting point is 00:36:29 entering into 5G, right? And where were we reading about the potential detriments of 5G? It was when we were talking to, it was an interview that we had done with the doctor. So what I think about is like no one's talking about what's that going to look like when, you know, Elon Musk has 3,000 satellites, Jeff Bezos has 3,000 satellites all around the world and it's all connecting this Wi-Fi and we're like in this big fucking Wi-Fi net that's constantly Wi-Fi the earth. Yes. I just don't know. It's just nobody does no one thinking about that like how that may not be. There are people thinking about it. Be the most ideal thing.
Starting point is 00:37:06 People are thinking about it. And there's a lot of people who are doing a little bit of pushback, so I don't know. I don't know. It's, you know, it's interesting about this. It's one of those things like, and I think that they need to be honest with their arguments. For example, I could make the argument, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:21 hey, if we make all this process food that's cheap and easy to and has long shelf life and that we could ship around the world, we'll feed more people, but part of the consequence of that will be obesity and chronic disease. Like, we need to be honest. Like, okay, if we provide Wi-Fi for the world, here's the potential.
Starting point is 00:37:39 Here's the potential, yeah, risks and dangers. Here's the benefits, like, there's an economic output, we'll explode, third world countries, countries will lift people out of poverty. However, cancer rates are probably going to go up by 5% or something like that. Yeah, well, I, because I remember that was the big scare when you had the cell phone. So close to your ear, everybody thought we're going to get brain cancer right away. And there was this whole, like campaign that they're trying to explain to people that they're like big waves. And so it wasn't really affecting you like on that level, uh, cellular level.
Starting point is 00:38:08 But at the same time, if you get this constant like influx of, uh, you know, whatever kind of radiation waves that you're throwing at, you eventually, you know, the accumulation of all that's got to add to something. Yeah. I'm not claiming I know what the fuck would happen because I have no clue. And I don't, I don't even fully understand the science of how the fuck all the wars. I know. But it just seems like you're sticking us in a microwave. Totally, right? And I just think that that doesn't sound like a great great idea. Well, it's a rapidly rapidly changing world and we're stuck in these prehistoric
Starting point is 00:38:44 kind of bodies. It's definitely getting more expansive, which is interesting that we're stuck in these prehistoric kind of bodies. It's definitely getting more expansive, which is interesting that we're really moving outward now. We haven't even really fully explored the oceans and like really we know and map everything to the fullest extent. Well, the good news is biology right now is advancing, or at least medicine from that realm is advancing very rapidly. And they're saying that this next
Starting point is 00:39:06 Hundred years we're gonna have breakthroughs and had a treat disease and work with the human body like we did with physics in the in the 20th century We're just gonna blow You know the doors off of shit and it's gonna be kind of crazy And so I think the big problem isn't gonna be what it does to our physical bodies I don't think the problem is gonna be cancer. I honestly think we're, at some point, we're going to start to solve a lot of these chronic issues through treatments and stuff. I think a lot of the problem is going to be
Starting point is 00:39:34 the psychological aspect of it. Like, what do we do when we have everything? What do we do when you don't have to work hard all the time? What do we do when lifespan is 300 years? Like humans have never lived that long. What's that gonna do to your psyche in your mind when you have that long on earth? Is it good thing or is it a bad thing?
Starting point is 00:39:55 Like we don't know. So that's what, you know, especially when you have challenges. Yeah, what does it mean when you can have anything you want? Like what is that gonna do to it? How valuable is it gonna be at that point? I don't know. Maybe a great thing, maybe a scary thing.
Starting point is 00:40:08 I was just talking, I was having a conversation earlier about all these, one thing that really irritates me about politicians and is a lot of the fear among me and they do it on purpose, because they're trying to get you to vote for them. And one of the latest fears is that, in 20 years, 70% of all jobs will be lost to AI.
Starting point is 00:40:29 And everybody's like, ah, and they're freaking out. Okay, silly to freak out over that. Because if you go back 100 years, what percentage of the jobs that exist at 100 years exist today? Right now. 100 years ago, very few. Most of the jobs that existed 100 years ago do not exist today. So that's gonna be true in 100 years ago, very few. Most of the jobs that existed 100 years ago
Starting point is 00:40:45 do not exist today. So that's gonna be true in 100 years as well. It's just gonna look completely different. Right. People are scared of that change in that process that it's gonna take to get us there, but there's always gonna be something that presents itself. Right, I can see, okay, in the defense of that person,
Starting point is 00:41:00 it's probably scary if you're somebody who's accepted normalcy, if you accepted where you're currently at and you're not continually growing because if you're just punchin' in nine to five, you have these baseline skill sets and you're not striving to be better or learn more or to keep growing. And then everybody else around you grows and we evolve and get beyond. Like, yeah, I would be fucking scared too. If you were an hour's, so think of it like that.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Yeah, I mean, if you're an hourglass maker and then the watch gets invented, yeah, you're like, fuck, what do I do? You can have the chain, but that's always the way it's been. But here's the thing that's interesting to me, because then they'll say, but this is different.
Starting point is 00:41:37 AI is gonna replace all jobs at some point or most jobs at some point. So there'll be nothing left. And I'm like, okay, so what you're painting is a scenario where machines do all of our work for us. And then they're like, whoa, but then, who's gonna, you know, people are gonna be poor because of it.
Starting point is 00:41:53 Okay, if nobody has enough money to buy the shit that the machines are building, guess what, it doesn't work. Yeah. So my point is we're heading towards a material utopia. That is not the fear. Don't worry about the fact that machines are doing everything for us.
Starting point is 00:42:09 Materially speaking, it's gonna be utopia. You'll have everything you want. It'll be super cheap. It's gonna be super efficient. That's great. The thing you should worry about is the spiritual and the psychological challenges that that's gonna pose. Because if you wake up every morning
Starting point is 00:42:23 and you don't have to really work because it's all provided for you. Well, it's like you gotta find a purpose. That's it. It's like Jim Carey said in his documentary, he did. Did you see that? Or did you get that? Or that latest one where you got interviewed?
Starting point is 00:42:34 I think it was on Netflix that one. Where he just, he seems all fucked up. His hair is all crazy. He's got the long ass beer going and he's talking about being rich and famous. And he goes, I wish everybody could be rich and famous because then they would know it's... It's not what you think it is.
Starting point is 00:42:47 It's not what you think it is. Yeah, yeah, remember that. And how many times do we see that you see this all the time? And we've talked about it before. I mean, look at the stats on the suicide rates and depression. And when you get... That's the real challenge. The real challenge isn't going to be,
Starting point is 00:43:00 oh shit, machines are doing everything for us. We don't have jobs. That's not the challenge. I promise you, materially speaking, as long as we don't destroy ourselves with something crazy, we're going to be in a great position materially. It's going to be the psychological and spiritual part that we're going to be challenged, because imagine that, imagine if you wake up every day and materially speaking, things are super inexpensive, you can have access to kind of whatever you want.
Starting point is 00:43:25 It's not a big deal. You don't have to worry about a lot of things. Everybody set things that's gonna sound great, but they don't realize that a lot of the meaning they get in the lifetime from the challenges. We find it worth. We have examples. We have examples today of that,
Starting point is 00:43:37 that's a micro-casm of that. You look at like a kid who's born into a family that's filthy rich. And he, from birth, everything that there's given everything they possibly want. And, you know, how many of those kids turn out good and how many of them don't turn out so good. And I'm willing to bet that there's more of them
Starting point is 00:43:53 that end up being shitty humans later on than the ones that actually end up being pretty damn good. And the ones that probably end up being pretty damn good probably had some good parenting, you know, so it's not that every kid that comes from a rich home ends up being a shit butt, but I bet you there's a large percentage of the ones that get spoiled and get everything given to them doing to be in a shit butt.
Starting point is 00:44:12 So we do have examples of that now. What's it going to be like when we're all spoiled? Or we all have access like you're saying, and it'll be interesting to see you. That's the challenge that I think we need to focus on, but nobody wants to talk about it because vote for me. I'm'm gonna make you guys have more meaning in our life by giving you more challenge. I don't know bro people signing up for Spartan races every fucking day. You gotta make a sound cool though. I bet you 200 years ago someone saw that they would be like
Starting point is 00:44:39 what the fuck? You're paying somebody to do all that work? I got a bunch of shit out here you can do in my fucking oh my property to help out here. You can do it in my fucking, oh my property that helped me out. You imagine that. It's like a new political slogan or whatever. Like has life become too easy for you? Vote for me. I'll make it fucking hard.
Starting point is 00:44:55 You know, and it was like, oh, maybe. And speaking of technology, you guys see that? You guys see that McDonald's tech deal that they did for 300 million? You know what I'm most fascinated about that deal is, you explained to me what that entails. This is the response.
Starting point is 00:45:10 And I actually just saw a, I wanna say, it's Burger King who's doing it now too. These guys are freaking the fuck out because of Uber Eats and Door Dashes. And so the places that are being hurt the most are fast food restaurants. So there's all these stats on the decline of eating out. Like people just aren't eating out anymore.
Starting point is 00:45:33 It's getting less and fast food, even less. So what you're seeing originally companies like McDonald's were raising their prices, but that just drives customers away even more to try and make up for the dip of them not going out. So this is their response to how do we handle and how do we get? It's also minimum wage, you know, keeps getting raised and raised. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:45:55 And so they're automating everything. They're making menus that are automated, but the menus are smart. So what the menus are going to do is they're're gonna sell more, like they'll present to you, like more cold coffee when it's hot outside or more of these dishes at certain seasons, and they're gonna learn people's buying behaviors. And it'll track it all. So just like internet marketing, we're gonna start to learn people.
Starting point is 00:46:16 Do you either one of you guys use the Starbucks app? No, I don't. So Starbucks does this already. So like Starbucks doesn't even have as large of a menu as McDonald's does, but I order now, because we have a Starbucks across the street, I order on my phone right here, and then it's ready for me to go pick up across the street.
Starting point is 00:46:34 Well, it feeds me my most regular stuff that I look at now. So originally, when I, the very first time I got on the app, I had to look for what I wanted. And then once I bought it one time, it now, so that's what this will do is, you know, if you're a regular McDonald's eater, it's gonna, and I'm sure to also start to give you special deals, like that's how they'll entice you.
Starting point is 00:46:54 It's like, oh, Adam loves big match. He eats big Macs like crazy. And we haven't seen him for two weeks. Let's throw a deal his way. If you buy a big Mac, get one for free tomorrow. I forgot about our fries. So it's gonna be, I mean, obviously, they needed to do this. I think they're a little behind on all this stuff. I think that these these fast food restaurants
Starting point is 00:47:11 are are going to get crushed by a lot of these. I think if McDonald started today, it would have done it. I think the reason why they waited so long is McDonald's is massive. I mean, you're talking about $300 million tech deal to test it, to kind of, they're not even going to be at every single store. That's a huge, huge change. So it's replaced like some of the workers that would, yeah, would take the order in a sense. Yeah. It's going to be all automated.
Starting point is 00:47:39 All the things on it. Especially, first of all, that's probably going to happen no matter what, but if they keep raising Minimum, if they keep raising the bottom wrong of the ladder for labor and making the cost of that going up Go up then it's gonna have to see that in all the retail stores. I mean, that's that's the big move right now It's to get these kiosks and and get you know ahead of time They're gonna get you into their ecosystems. So that way, you just walk in, you get your clothes, you get whatever it is, you walk out, it already charges you. Well, I have a client who owns nine McDonald's and like her greatest challenge,
Starting point is 00:48:12 she talks about his minimum wage because, as we keep raising the minimum wage, she's like, you know, we can only, she has a lot of budget obviously that she has to run under in order for the place to be profitable. And the most important person inside of McDonald's is the manager who oversees all the shifts, so all the make sure that everything's clean, oversees all that stuff. Well, even that person can't really make more than about 50 to depending on where you're
Starting point is 00:48:37 at, 50 to 70 grand a year. Well, when you keep raising minimum wage up, your hourly cashier who's just pushing the buttons and taking orders, is starting to catch up to that. And so now you're getting managers going like, well, why would I want to manage? All I do is stand in the front and push buttons and I can make the same money as the person who has to
Starting point is 00:48:56 deal with all the stress of managing 30 employees. Of all of the laws and policies that we pass that are ass and nine, one of the most ass and that we passed that are assinine, one of the most assinines are minimum wage laws. A lot of people don't realize that they originated trigger warning. As it's okay. Well, this is the truth, okay.
Starting point is 00:49:13 I agree with you, so I mean, by the way, of course everybody gets butt hurt about this. No, no, no, no, you get to understand something. Where I come, I come from a position of wanting to help the disenfranchised and what people don't realize, minimum wage laws, the first ones in the country were actually created to prevent black laborers from taking the work of white laborers.
Starting point is 00:49:33 And what they did is black laborers would come in, they would offer their jobs, their work, for less than the white laborers, this pissed off the white laborers who got together and said, no, you can't charge less than this amount. And at the time, the country was certain areas of quite racist. So now these black laborers who could use price to kind of get themselves work, now didn't get work. Because now if I'm going to pay a lot, I'm going to hire the white dude because I'm racist against it.
Starting point is 00:49:55 And so those are the first minimum wage laws. And now we've spun it to make you think they were helping you. And here's what happens. Let's say you raise minimum wage to $15, for example, we'll just use that number. It really doesn't matter what number it is, but let's say we raise it to $15. You have made every person who is not market worth $15 or more, unemployable.
Starting point is 00:50:15 So let's say you're disenfranchised. Let's say you're a felon, you broke the law before, but now you wanna get back on your feet. Let's say you have no experience. And you're gonna go to try and get a job for 15 bucks an hour, and they look at your resume and they're like, look man, you had a felony five years ago, I'm not going to hire you.
Starting point is 00:50:32 You're unemployable, but let's say there is no minimum wage. I go to a place, the guy looks at my resume and says, well you had a felony, look, my job is paying 15 bucks an hour, but because you had a felony, I'll hire you for five, and then you can show me what you're worth, and the guys will say, no problem. I'll work for it. Now they have some leverage to get their foot in the door,
Starting point is 00:50:51 so every time you see minimum wage go up, you end up seeing more unemployment among the disenfranchised and the young. So you're seeing less young people work, less young people, and people with bad resumes or felonies can't get work, so they become dependent then on, they're not getting jobs, and they become dependent on this whole system.
Starting point is 00:51:12 The welfare system. Not to mention, there's different values for different jobs too, within a job, right? So there's been many businesses that I've built before, that I've looked at and go like, man, I wish I had somebody to just sweep the front every day. You know, for 10 minutes, that's all it, but it's like, I can't offer somebody a $5 an hour opportunity to just sweep the front because of something like that. Therefore, I got to figure out myself.
Starting point is 00:51:34 I either got to tack it on to somebody else's job that has something in other responsibility or I have to get out there and do that. But I could have employed somebody who's who's hard up for money and sure it's not a lot a lot of money, but it's better than you being out on the street and banging on a corner, at least you have some sort of a job that you can come to and rely on consistent income.
Starting point is 00:51:52 But I'm handcuffed, I can't do that. Minimum wage laws are terrible for the disenfranchised, for the people who need to help the most, and the irony of it is it's sold as something to help the poor. the irony of it is it's sold as something to help the poor. The reality does exact opposite. If you eliminated laws on fixing the price, you would give people who were disenfranchised,
Starting point is 00:52:13 who want to build experience, who want to do well, you'd give them an opportunity because now they can go and be like, look, I know my resume says I have no experience, I know this that and the other, I know I'm young or whatever, but I'll work for this much. I'll work for less and I'll show you. I know this, that, and the other. I know I'm young or whatever, but I'll work for this much. I'll work for less, and I'll show you. I'll prove to you.
Starting point is 00:52:28 And then I'll build my experience and then take it from there. You take away that opportunity when you pass these laws, and so, and not to mention, you're just gonna fast forward the automation of things, which will probably happen anyway. You're just gonna speed it up because you're creating a new market pressure on it.
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Starting point is 00:53:23 Mm. Ooh. This is a tough question to answer because what are you using the movement for? Right? So like I could make fun of the Abductor machine as being a waste of time piece of equipment, but you could even make fun of cap phrases.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Right, right. Donkey kickback. Right. But if you're somebody who, you know, has limited range of motion, he's to work on hip abduction to activate certain muscles because they're not connecting very well, now becomes a very viable, effective piece of equipment.
Starting point is 00:53:56 We make fun of Smith machines all the time. However, there are circumstances when I think a Smith machine will be very effective. So I think we might need to re kind of phrase the question is like, what exercise do most people do that they probably shouldn't do, you know, type of deal? In which case, uh, plyometric anything would be my answer. Most people have no business doing any kind of plyometrics, uh, because they don't have the stability or strength to perform them well.
Starting point is 00:54:26 And then on top of it, most people don't perform plyometrics properly anyway. They use them as a way to get really, really tired. It's just another form of movement for them. So that would be where I'd go there. I would get right on board with that because I, and I used to say this all the time to trainers that would teach plyometrics and they would not do them correctly where they would just be doing rapid jump boxes or ice skaters and it's just sloppy and all over the place. It's like, if you're going to do a movement and you're not going to focus on, especially with pilometrics and you're not going to focus on the explosion and the, the intent of the movement and you're just going to keep going back and forth
Starting point is 00:55:04 back and forth for repetitions, then you may as well just have them jump in place and swing their arms around like in circles, and jump around in circles, erratically, because you're accomplishing the same thing by doing that. We're not getting any better at that movement by just having them do it to fatigue and not control in and not controlling every explosive move.
Starting point is 00:55:25 Well, I think we're just, we're highlighting the order of operations, which, you know, what we do see is like people just jumping right over the entire process to get to the peak. And, you know, for me, along the lines of plyometrics, but just anything with, you know, speed and acceleration. Like, you know, if there's no work and groundwork
Starting point is 00:55:46 and reinforcing the joints and making sure mechanically everything is sound, and then now I want to add that component of speed into the mixes is going to expose any sort of kink in the chain. Yeah, I think, here's the beauty of exercise or in particular resistance training. It's extremely individual individualized. It can be extremely individualized and it can be applied differently depending on the
Starting point is 00:56:13 person. So exercises can be very effective or not effective at all depending on who's doing them and what they're doing them for. So to use the example of plyometrics again, if my intent is to burn a lot of calories and sweat, will plyometrics become extremely ineffective way to do that because the risk is very high and I can sweat and burn a lot of calories
Starting point is 00:56:38 doing something that's a lot safer. If my intent is to improve my explosive ability and I'm doing them properly, plyometrics become one of the most effective things you could do towards that goal. And this is true for anything. So, I don't, I mean, and this is great because I remember learning this a long time ago
Starting point is 00:56:58 as a trainer where, but when I first became a trainer, it was like some exercises were bad, some exercises were good, right? Like, oh, behind the neck press, behind the neck pull down, those are bad. They're a lot of risk and they're just don't do them. They're not good for the shoulders. Later on, I realized if you can do a movement with good control, good stability, and good intent, in other words, the exercise in the way it's being, matches the intent that it's being performed for, and the person can do it excellent.
Starting point is 00:57:27 That movement becomes awesome, and it kinda doesn't matter what that movement is or how crazy it is. Kinda like how you used to say there's no such thing as bad gyms, only bad leaders in the gym, right? It's the same thing, there's no such thing as a bad exercise if it's applied right to the right person for the right reason.
Starting point is 00:57:43 It's just the scope sometimes is super narrow. Right. Like Olympic lifts is a good one. I was just on, I got interviewed on a podcast recently. Good friend of mine who he manages CrossFit boxes. Actually, he manages one for what's his name who we had on the show. It's got like 40 locations.
Starting point is 00:58:02 Oh, Jason Calibur. And, you know, he jokingly's like, oh, I know you don't like CrossFit. And so we had this great discussion about, no, CrossFit's done some awesome stuff. There's some stuff I don't like. And I was talking about the Olympic lifts and how I don't like them being applied in a fatigue based programming
Starting point is 00:58:18 because it kind of defeats the purpose. And Olympic lifts are a great way to kind of illustrate what I'm trying to communicate. Olympic lifts are a great way to illustrate what I'm trying to communicate. Olympic lifts are phenomenal at building power and speed strength in individuals who are ready for that kind of training and who can do it properly with good technique, good form. They're great exercises.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Other than that, they become terrible exercises. Olympic lifts, which are among some of the most effective movements ever invented with barbells, are terrible for 99% of the people walking around outside. I would not ever have anybody come in a brand new client. Almost, I've never done this. I have a brand new client come into decondition and say, we're going to do, you know, hand cleans or snatches. That would be, I have terrible things. I've never trained a client on Olympic lifts
Starting point is 00:59:11 because I've never had somebody who has hired me and they actually would need my help. Most people that can perform Olympic lifts or should be performing lift lifts don't need a lot of my help, unless it's nutrition stuff related. If you are a great mover mechanically and you can perform Olympic lifts really well, the value of me as a trainer is a lot less.
Starting point is 00:59:33 I mean, if you're going to go into a commercial gym like I worked in and you're going to hire me, I'm helping everybody else, which I think that's the part that I feel like we rag on the whole CrossFit thing so much is just that it's not that it cannot be amazing for some people. I definitely think that it could be incredible for some people and probably the best thing ever, but there's just a much larger percentage that should be doing a lot of other things first before they get into that. Yeah, and I think too, they may have been hinting at the fact that there's some exercises that are pretty much a waste of your time that we started to kind of bring up in the beginning in terms of the Smith machine and Donkey kickbacks and these types of things you see all over Instagram
Starting point is 01:00:18 and the high rep phenomenon that that's going to get you all toned. So there's that other side of this coin where there could be more effective things that you could do in the gym. It doesn't mean that there isn't a place for these little nuance, single-joint movements that look ridiculous, but at the same time, they're useless if you're not doing, you know, in combination with something that's normal. Or not using them for the right thing. Or the right reason.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Yeah, like if you do a donkey kickback with someone who's got four connection to their glutes, needs to work on that movement for whatever reason, maybe they need to work on that particular plane of movement with their hip or whatever. A donkey kickback could be a great exercise for that person. And I mean, really what you should do is take all the exercises that exist and list next to them the risk of performing them, the level of skill required to perform them properly
Starting point is 01:01:14 and then what they're good for. And what you'll end up finding is some exercises have a lot of benefits for a lot of people. And most importantly, what your specific goal is, because even like the example he says, my money is on shrugs, well, if you're goal, you don't have any desire to have these massive looking traps or you don't have to stabilize something over your head, so it's not helping you perform.
Starting point is 01:01:41 So then maybe it is, same thing like the example with calves. Like, we walk around all day, your calves get used so they're functional enough. But if you're not trying to, if you're not trying to build them for aesthetic purposes, then they could be argued that it's a waste of time. So it really depends on the person's goal because I could take somebody's goal and make the argument that even the silliest and most ridiculous of exercises has some application. Well, I'll be honest, the assisted pull-up leg press. Get the fuck out of here. I'm not going to get on board with that.
Starting point is 01:02:14 Yeah, yeah. Again, look at the, if we were to list exercises and see how many people that would benefit if done properly, you would find that some exercises have a lot of benefit for a lot of different goals and a lot of different people. Like a barbell squat, for example, is one of those things. What if I just want to improve my power? Barbell squat will help with that. What if I just want to improve my hip and ankle mobility?
Starting point is 01:02:38 Barbell squat will help with that. What if I just want to improve the aesthetics of my lower body? Barbell squat will help with that. I could go down the list and show that some exercises just have a lot of benefits. And some exercises have very narrow benefits. Some are purely correctional in nature.
Starting point is 01:02:54 Like if I do external shoulder rotation type movement, stuff that you would see for like rotator cuff tears. Like do I have lots of people doing that all the time? No, but if they need it, it's very valuable. But if they don't need it as a valuable, man, I really, there's other exercises that we could do for shoulder mobility that are gonna have more carryover and stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:03:13 So it's hard to be super and just say that, now, I guess we could talk about what's a very overused exercise. Like, what's a movement? For me, plyometrics was number one. Like, those I see overused just because most people are not trying to build power and not in the real sense that even know what that means and they're doing them wrong.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Are there any of the things you guys can think about that people just overdo? And you're like, yeah, you don't really need to do a lot of that. Hmm, plios are a great one. It's gotta be right. Yeah, well, because when I think about looking in the gym and the people that I see though, it's rarely ever that I see a
Starting point is 01:03:48 You know athlete that is that is doing it and not only that it's rare I see an athlete and it's rare I even see an athlete doing it correctly inside of inside it's usually like a 45 year old Right, you know woman or man trying to lose trying to lose by way in the trainers put them in some sort of a circuit Right, so I would get down with that You know, I think I could overgeneralize like just machine exercise. I think we still are as much as much progress as we've made in the gym with more people using free weights and training barbell complex movements. As much as I think that we've moved in that direction. I still think we are
Starting point is 01:04:26 grossly outnumbered by the people that are staying on machines just in general. So using your formula that you alluded to which is, you know, does this move? What are all the things that this movement benefits? Machines in general just don't even come close in comparison to to freeway type exercise. Yeah, or what about just, you know, many times single joint exercises for the average person, like, I see most beginners work out when they do pick up weights, most beginners do curls. Everybody does curls in their workout. When most beginners should be practicing movements to help them squat, deadlift, and press, or row. Like those are the things that should be really focused on.
Starting point is 01:05:05 And you don't see it as often, right? I mean, I would say, I don't know if I've seen this a lot in the gyms, I haven't really been in a commercial gym that often anymore, but it used to be. You'd see a lot of people just balancing and doing a ton of balance exercises, thinking that this was going to like not only like build muscle, but it's gonna get them all this athletic performance just because they're trying to stabilize. When in fact, they're not working on actual force production by having, you know, their feet in the ground.
Starting point is 01:05:34 I have one, planks. Oh yeah, okay. Cause like the other movements we're talking about right now, first of all, it's rare. It's rare when I see somebody actually perform a plank correctly. Most planks I see are done very poorly, and then that really just defeats the purpose of that exercise completely.
Starting point is 01:05:53 So the main reason why you would even do that, you would need to be in the proper spine alignment to make it beneficial, and just sitting there in a plank position and holding it for one minute, two minute, five minute, whatever is not benefiting that person. In fact, it could potentially be doing more harm than good. Most people can't do a plank properly.
Starting point is 01:06:13 They don't have the strength to do a properly. No, that was a good one, Justin. Years ago, when the whole balance craze, you know, entered into the gym with all the weird tools and stuff, it was like, fucking everything. Like, where are we dealing? Yeah, every exercise involved the weird tools and stuff. It was like, fucking, everything. Where are we dealing? Yeah, every exercise involved the balance of some sort. Every exercise was on a fisiabal.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Everybody was standing on one foot. And it was just, there was just way over done. You're not getting the benefit that you think you're getting from it. It does have benefit in specific situations and certain applications. But I remember, I mean, I was guilty of it. I saw, it came onto the scene, it was like the newest thing.
Starting point is 01:06:47 And everybody was, I was having people who would try to set press downs while standing on a dining desk, like what? Next question is from friends to mamos. How do you improve the mind to muscle connection? Oh yeah, good question. This is Justin's wheelhouse with his isometrics too. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:02 That's gotta be, that's how I've always gotten people to feel a muscle. Oh yeah. Squeeze in the contracted position. It's actually made me revisit like when I get somebody brand new. What do I do with them initially? And the most beneficial thing you can do is really get them to hone in on their body and their joint function and what that should look like.
Starting point is 01:07:26 So to slow everything down and really create these bodyweight exercises but now hold certain positions so they have enough time to really feel the process. And that's what isometrics provide. I mean, it really does help to amplify that communication channel. So it's like, now I have a good understanding of how my body should move and react,
Starting point is 01:07:51 and now I can add load to that situation. And so it's a great tool to get your average person to really understand that process, that mind, muscle connection. Our most viral YouTube video, I did it, I think, a year and a half, maybe two years now, ago, is in relation to this. So if you're listening and you are wanting to build your butt, which is a very common reason for people to be squatting or lunging and doing these movements, but then a lot of people
Starting point is 01:08:23 struggle with feeling those exercises in their butt. They typically still feel most of it in their legs. This is a great place. So you're trying to work mind muscle connection here. The glutes are the predominant mover in a squat, but yet we feel more in our quads. And that's because you've got a poor mind muscle connection to your glutes. So doing some isometric stuff for your glutes before you go into squats,
Starting point is 01:08:50 and that's what the, I forget the title of the butt secret video, what we call the Jackie can link it. Butt secret? Yeah, I don't, I think it was the three. It's a fart, right? I think I, I think I titled it the three best secrets to make your butt grow or something like that. Oh, yeah, that's what it was. I think that's what it was. And to make your butt grow or something like that. Oh yeah, that's what it was.
Starting point is 01:09:06 I think that's what it was. And it's by far the most viral video we've ever done. Jackie can link it into the show notes if you're listening right now. And also, if you're not subscribed to the Mind Pump TV YouTube, this is a type of content that we try to provide on there. It's an incredible resource of information. And this video helps that. But that same theory applies for all muscles.
Starting point is 01:09:26 So I like to use the butt because I think it's the most popular that people struggle with feeling, but you still have people that just, they have a hard time feeling stuff in their chest. And so doing isometric holds and squeezing the muscle that you're trying to focus on before you go into the movement is a great way to improve upon the mind muscle. It just really reflects how disconnected people have become to their bodies.
Starting point is 01:09:51 So mind the muscle, it just refers to you being able to feel and control the muscle that you're trying to work. That's all it is really, just to put it plainly. So if you're trying to work your back muscles, you really know how to feel and squeeze them when you're doing back muscles, you really know how to feel and squeeze them when you're doing back exercises. If you want to work your shoulders, you really know how to feel and squeeze them and control how they move when you're doing those exercises. But it is funny. This was not uncommon at all. I'd get a new client and we would do an exercise, a basic exercise. One that, you know, two months in, become easy, like a tricep press down, and they wouldn't feel it,
Starting point is 01:10:29 and they're triceps. In fact, they would do the tricep press down, and they would say, where am I supposed to feel this? Peep trainers were listening, no exactly what I'm talking about. This is a very common thing that a client will tell you when they first start working out. What am I working right now? And it sounds crazy if you work out all the time, because like, don don't you know you don't feel the muscle? No, they don't. They
Starting point is 01:10:47 have no mind and muscle connection. Now, why do you want a mind and muscle connection? Is it so you can feel the muscle just for the sake of it? No. It's because the more you can connect to that muscle, the better you can activate it, doing exercises. And the more effective you can make those exercises for that particular muscle so the more I can Feel the parts of my back working when I'm doing a row the better I'm able to perform a row to work those parts of my back studies will show that muscles fire better when you do this This is something that's been prized among spotty builders for decades because of course bodybuilders are the king of mind The muscle connection bodybuilders are the king of mind and muscle connection. Bodybuilders literally are trying
Starting point is 01:11:25 to constantly sculpt their body in particular ways. And so they need to feel certain muscles working over others, otherwise they would overdevelop some muscles and not other ones. Now when it comes to mind and muscle in my experience, the best way to feel that muscle is to put that muscle and it's fully contracted or fully squeezed position and then squeeze it
Starting point is 01:11:46 and squeeze it sometimes with resistance. Until you feel that muscle, and here's what'll happen if you have a poor mind and muscle connection. You'll go to squeeze it in that contracted position and you'll feel the muscle turn on and off. You'll get this little shaky, but kind of feeling in the muscle where almost like your light switch
Starting point is 01:12:04 is fully engaged, the light is flickering a little bit. And what you're feeling is your central nervous system, having a tough time really connecting to that muscle, you're not getting a full signal, you're getting kind of this half signal. And you know, you experience this when you first start working out or if you take a long layoff, you'll go to do a bench press or an exercise and you'll get that shaky, that shaky, laffy feeling in your muscles. So that's kind of a good example of what ends up happening. So the best way to connect to that is to get into a fully squeezed position.
Starting point is 01:12:33 So what does that mean? So let's say it's my bicep that I have a poor connection to. Which is a bad example. Well, everybody has a poor connection. Most people don't, but it's an easy one to understand, right? If my bicep was hard to feel, I would flex my bicep, so it's fully flexed, and then it squeezed the shit of it in that flex position.
Starting point is 01:12:49 That helps me connect to it. If it's my triceps, same thing. If it's my shoulders, my back, my chest, my glutes, my hamstrings, any muscle, put it in its fully contracted position, hold and squeeze it in that fully contracted position, oftentimes with resistance, and you'll start to be able to feel it more.
Starting point is 01:13:07 And the best place and time to do this is at the beginning of your workout. Because then when you go to your exercises, now you can feel that muscle work. And a lot of people are, a lot of times they're unaware that I mean, they're not even going through that full range of motion. Like they don't even understand that the lockout,
Starting point is 01:13:23 they're not even at full lockout yet. And so there's part of that process that they're neglecting to even, you know, have it respond properly. And so, you know, taking them through each one of those steps, and that's why I like single joint first. Like I like to really focus in on, you know, the single joint movement so we can get everything to kind of, oh, this is where this part of my body is going to respond this way when I curl up. I'm supposed to feel it here. And so you get this better understanding of the bigger picture. Now you start adding in these multi-joint movements and you can see how everything kind of harmoniously works together. So if you want to go ahead. The science to support
Starting point is 01:14:02 this is reflected in our Maps Prime program. I mean, this is exactly how the science around this is how we created that program and maybe one of the most underrated programs that we have out there because I think it just there's a lot of confusion for so many, a lot of people are like, I don't get it. There's maps in a bowl like aesthetic. Is it like that? Is it a routine? It's designed to complement anybody's routine. I don't give a shit if you're actually following
Starting point is 01:14:25 something as bad as CrossFit or any other routine that you do. Yeah, any of those routines, you could be following any sort of a program and implement. Cassandra, maps prime and get more out of that workout based off of what we're talking about right now. Right, and so the best way to apply these techniques to connecting the muscle
Starting point is 01:14:43 is before you do your workout. So before you do your workout, spend 10 to 15 minutes priming the muscle in question, priming it by squeezing it in its contracted position and feeling it and trying to connect to it. Do it at the beginning of every workout and then when you do your exercises, you'll start to feel it more, you'll get a better feel for how to perform the movement so that you can feel it into target muscle. And over time, feeling the muscles that you right now may have a poor connection to gets much and much and much easier.
Starting point is 01:15:11 And I did this to myself as a kid. I remember doing dumbbell pullovers and doing straight arm pull downs to feel my lats because I can never feel my lats when I would do pull ups. I was always in my arms and never felt anything in my back. Priming, it took me a month, a month of priming before my pull ups. And then that was it. From then on, I could always feel pull ups in my lats, from then on. It was always like, oh, there's that connection. I know I had to engage them. And then my results were much better. Next question is from Brand Berry. If you're sick or getting sick, is it better to push through and
Starting point is 01:15:42 work out to boost the immune system or just take it easy? Yeah, there's a little bit of a misconception here. That... Suck it up. Exercise is an immune strengthener, okay? It's initially a stress. Well, as I was going to say, exercise will strengthen your immune system after, as an adaptation
Starting point is 01:16:03 process, during the exercise, your immune system takes a hit. So that's where the confusion comes from. People are like, oh, being active is good for my immune system. I'm getting sick. It's, let me go outside and run. It's simple. It's simple to the theory that we lift weights, and when we lift weights, we build muscle.
Starting point is 01:16:23 We don't actually build the muscle when they're lifting weights. It's the response the body has to lift in the weights after the fact. It's the same process. Same concept. Right, right. So if you want to strengthen your immune system, definitely be active. It's a great way to do it. If you're getting sick, stressing your body both takes resources away from fighting the
Starting point is 01:16:43 illness. And it also adds another stress to the body Which is just gonna you and I've seen way more people I've seen this many many times where people are about are getting sick Then they go work out real hard and they get really fucking sick It's a it's a terrible thing. Well, it's like I mean what they call the hormetic response like you you only want to introduce So much stress while your body has to like overcome it.
Starting point is 01:17:07 So to, you know, to try and overcome all this excessive stress while your body's fighting something internally. Now you're competing, you know, with all these multiple stresses at once. So, you know, for, you know, to add on to that for the most part, it's probably not going to be a good idea. Now, now that being said, do you guys agree though,
Starting point is 01:17:26 like walking on the treadmill or mobility-type, supportive type movements? Right, things that are a little more recuperative, and which is typically what I recommend to clients is, if you're starting to feel under the weather, this is not the day we start, you know, pushing reps, breaking hard sweats, this is the day we do mobility
Starting point is 01:17:44 and we do some stretching and go for a whole lot of fun. Well, circulation heals. And so there's that part of the process where I think, and then that probably gets misinterpreted with, I gotta work out. But really, yeah, you should take it, you should work out but be mindful of the fact that it's like very, very low intensity.
Starting point is 01:18:01 So you're just moving through these movements. Yeah, if the workout is parasympathetic, if it's relaxing you in a real sense, not in the fake sense, where like, I'll go beat the crap out of myself and I'll feel better. But if you're actually doing the workout and the results of the workout is it's relaxing you and bringing your stress levels down, then it could benefit you just because it's bringing stress levels down. Rest is one of the best things you can do when you're sick. That being said, too much rest can also become a stress on the body.
Starting point is 01:18:30 So if you're at home and you've got the flu and you're on the couch all day long, one thing that may help you is to get up off the couch and just go for a 10 minute walk outside, get some sunlight, move the body a little bit, let the body know, hey, I still wanna be alive. It brings a some sunlight, move the body a little bit, let the body know, hey, I still want to be alive. It brings a stress level down in the body and helps amplify your, at least your immune
Starting point is 01:18:52 system and the ability of your body to fight off illness. But the worst thing you can do when you're getting sick is go beat yourself up. By the way, this is a lesson that I still learn today. It's not an easy one, but it's one I still learn it. And every single time afterwards, I'm like, gosh, man, when am I gonna learn this damn lesson? Especially when it's just kind of like just starting to feel it and you're like, you kind of, you know,
Starting point is 01:19:17 but you're trying to ignore it because you're just like, now I'm not gonna let it happen. It all depends on who I'm talking to, right? The people that have a hard time getting into the gym gym look for any excuse to get out of the gym You know they sneeze and it's like oh I should probably take a day off the gym I have a little tickle on my right right and you probably not you probably need to get there But it's my people that love to work out and if anything I'm always pulling the reins back those are the ones I have to be careful of when it comes to training when they're sick
Starting point is 01:19:41 Because they're like I'm gonna sweat it out. It'll make me feel better. It's like, whoa, we'll pump your brakes. You're already coming down with something this would be the day that we're gonna pull back. Dude, for me, some of my most intense, hard, crazy workouts during the workout was when I was starting to fight a cold. So I'm fighting a cold, it's coming on. And I'm telling myself like, ah, man, I kind of feel like I'm getting sick,
Starting point is 01:20:03 but I need to work out. You know what I'll do, so what I always do. I'm gonna drink some calf, I'm gonna have a fucking ton of stimulants, I'm gonna take a pre-workout or something. And then they hits me, then I go work out. And because of the cortisol is already high because I'm sick or getting sick,
Starting point is 01:20:19 and that gives you energy, throw the stimulants on top of it. Now I artificially feel better. So now the contrast makes me think I'm Superman. So now I, you're like, wow. Yeah, and then beat the crap out of myself in the gym and like, fuck it. And inevitably when it's happening,
Starting point is 01:20:32 the stimulants start to wear off about two hours later. And I start to sit on the couch and I'm like, oh yeah, that was a bad idea. Here I go, it's gonna get a lot worse. And it just gets a lot worse. There was this one story of this athlete, young athlete, 20-something year old. I think it was this guy who was getting a chest infection
Starting point is 01:20:52 and decided to go out and just fucking run it off. And he ended up pushing his body really hard and what it did is because of the deep breaths. He was driving the infection deeper into his lungs, actually died. And of course, depressed his immune system, because I think it went around 20 something miles. I remember it was years ago,
Starting point is 01:21:08 one of my doctor clients showed it to me, and he's like, see, be careful, Sal. So, sun, circulation, I mean, is there like a, what was that? It's not a, echinacea, but was that other herb that you'd always recommended?
Starting point is 01:21:20 Oh, elderberry. Elderberry, yeah. That's right. Echinacea might have some benefit, elderberry's got some clinical, evidence to show that it's antiviral. You could also take your adaptogens when you feel like, because I can tell when I'm in a situation, in a prime situation to get sick. So before I get sick, I know, oh, I better be careful because I haven't been getting
Starting point is 01:21:44 good at sleep. I've been pushing myself super hard in the gym. I'm a little bit stressed out. When that starts to happen to me and I'm not sick, then what I'll do is I'll supplement with adapted jins. Like, chaga is a great one. We talked about that early in the episode. I'll start to supplement with the four-sigmatic chaga.
Starting point is 01:22:00 And usually what I'll find is that I'll start to feel a little bit better and it gets me back to the point where I know my immune system strong But if I don't do that kind of stuff and keep pushing myself, it's like I can get I'm guaranteed to on top of that are we kind of there's some weird you know a little bit of back and forth Yeah, it's conflicting evidence of vitamin C whether you know it helps or not a lot of I know zinc to is another one zinc zinc seems to seems to help but it but the way it helps is kind of interesting. You have to dissolve the zinc laws in your throat, and I guess the zinc prevents the virus from adhering to the back of your throat, like the rhino virus, which is the cold.
Starting point is 01:22:36 So you suck on these zinc laws in just, the virus can't proliferate in the back of your throat where it likes to, and so- So you flush it out more or less? Yeah, and it reduces the severity and the length of your throat where it likes to. And so you flush it out, obviously. And it reduces the severity and the length of time that you have it. What's the one that I always fuck up? The elder bear. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:51 That one was, you got me on that a few years back. And I actually always can tell a major difference when I do that. Oh, it's one of the only ones that has actual evidence. It's a big game changer. It does work. Yeah, no one had ever told me that. And I remember you dropping that on me, like when the first year we started Mind Pump,
Starting point is 01:23:09 and I was like, oh, this was crazy. And every time I've been sick, like that's the first thing like I ride away, start sucking on it. Dude, there's several, remember when, what was that flu? That was, it was a H1N1 that came out a while ago. Remember it was freaking out?
Starting point is 01:23:21 That, no, it wasn't bird flu, but it was a strain of influenza that was, everybody was freaking out. That, no, it was a bird flu, but it was a strain of influenza that was, everybody was scared about. They actually did a study showing that Elderberry reduced the length of time and the severity of that strain in particular, but it's against the flu in general. And there's, I think the studies, I wanna say out of Israel, there's several of them
Starting point is 01:23:41 that show that it's one of the only natural things to actually fight influenza, which is a nasty nasty virus. Next question is from Emily and Mady. What is your number one piece of advice regarding fatherhood for Adam? Yarmati! Boy! Oh boy! Daddy daycare on his way.
Starting point is 01:23:59 Dude, I am like over the moon excited for this new little baby. You forced me to get my excitement up because I feel like you're so excited. Oh my God. I can't let Sally more excited about my kid coming to me. Why not? We gotta step it up man. It's our new championship.
Starting point is 01:24:16 I didn't answer something. Well, you see how I am when Katrina comes in. I'm like, oh my God, how are you doing? What's going on? How you feel? Right to her belly. Who talked to me? Oh, I love it.
Starting point is 01:24:24 What's crazy about it is because this is your first, I remember with my first, I was excited differently than I was for my second because I had no idea what to anticipate. So it was a weird situation. I remember that one night I was sitting there, I was really thinking hard about it. Because at the time, I was married and my wife at the time,
Starting point is 01:24:44 she had the big belly and there's a baby in there, and she's connected to the baby, like literally connected, the baby's inside of her connected to her, and she's like talking about the, and I remember thinking like, you know, I'm excited about it and I love kids, but it doesn't feel the same,
Starting point is 01:25:00 and then when he was born, it hit me like a fucking title wave, and I realized it's because for us, it's just a fucking idea. Like, we don't feel it, it's not a part, our bodies aren't changing. We say it happening in our partners, and so then when the baby was born, and my son was born, I remember it became super real.
Starting point is 01:25:18 Nobody drive home, it's funny, they let you go home and you're like, are you sure? It's cool for me to leave with this kid, like. Yeah, yeah, it's not me. Yeah, like you have all this responsibility. I was so scared to put him in the car seat and in. I was like, no, we gotta like, you know, put him in like bubble tape and hold him the whole time.
Starting point is 01:25:35 It's like we're driving hell of slow. Oh, my so slow. Like, and that's told you're gonna be the same. I guarantee you. Yeah. It's the most fragile thing, but they're not fragile. That's what you're gonna learn. Oh, you watched the nurse change.
Starting point is 01:25:45 Oh, yeah. Just put it around a shoulder. I mean, yeah, I know you kind of have practice, but it's when it's your own kid, it is like, whoa, this is like my own little gold mine, you know. Yeah, I guess the biggest, I don't know, what's the number one piece of advice? You know, go easy on yourself.
Starting point is 01:26:02 This is something that I have to continue to remind myself as a, because I'm gonna be a parent, you know, go easy on yourself. This is something that I have to continue to remind myself as a, because I'm going to be a parent, you know, obviously for the rest of my life. And something that you'll want to do is you'll want to critique yourself as a father. You're going to, there are going to be moments when you're going to be irritable, you're going to snap, you're going to say something because you're human, we all do that. but it's different when it's your kid,
Starting point is 01:26:28 because then you're gonna be thinking like, fuck man, you know, I just, I remember one time, I yelled up my kids and they just, I scared the shit out of them, and then they kind of started crying a little bit and they walked away, and I remember feeling like, oh shit, I just ruined them, like, I just ruined them, you know?
Starting point is 01:26:42 The psychological damage. Yeah, and you just, I always think that. Go easy on yourself with that kind of stuff. You're going to make mistakes, and it, you know, it's okay. We all turn out okay. So I guess I think that would probably be the biggest one. That's, that's really good advice. You know, I've been, obviously, tons of people giving me advice right now.
Starting point is 01:26:59 And I always like the ones kind of like that that are just, you wouldn't think everyone likes, oh, you're going to be so busy. Oh, this, that, all the things that I'm like, okay, of like that that are just, you wouldn't think everyone likes it. Oh, you're gonna be so busy. Oh, this, that, all the things that I'm like, okay, I anticipate all that. But those are the things like, oh, you don't really think about that. That, oh, you might do something like that. And you're right, knowing my personality,
Starting point is 01:27:14 I would probably weigh on myself. And my buddy Justin, he gave me this advice the other day too, that I was like, oh, wow, that's, I wouldn't have thought about that. And I'm glad you said that, because I could totally see this. And he told me, he goes, go easy on your boys, your dogs. He goes, he goes, he goes, he goes, you know,
Starting point is 01:27:33 you're gonna be, you know, tired and frustrated and they're gonna wake them up one time or they're gonna, you know, make something difficult for you and you're just gonna be already at your wits in. And he goes, man, a couple times, I have just like fucking soccer kicked my talks, like just, and afterwards felt like a piece of shit for doing it.
Starting point is 01:27:53 And I know I did it because I was so frustrated because of other shit that I was dealing with. And he goes, so, and I was like, oh wow, I haven't thought about that. And I know my boys, they're little shit heads sometimes. And so I can anticipate something like that, having just barely laying the baby down, finally getting some rest. And I know my boys, they're a little shithead sometimes. And so I can anticipate something like that having just barely laying the baby down,
Starting point is 01:28:06 finally getting some rest. Yeah, you know, or do something, knock something over and be loud and be like, fuck, we're throwing down the stairs. So, you know what, is another one that's really good? Go ahead, Justin. Well, I was just thinking about sleep patterns and I know this might be a little controversial
Starting point is 01:28:23 because some people want to make as much noise as possible, get them used to the noise and be able to still do the things that you're gonna do and be productive and have people over and so we kind of took the opposite approach of that and really tried to keep a consistency in the sleeping pattern that was consistent is possible. And it was annoying to our friends and family on some level to where we would try and just like
Starting point is 01:28:51 keep that something that they could count on. And it made a big difference in terms of like, you know, the crying, the screaming, the behavior, like the, because a lot of times, I mean, they're just really fucking tired. They're tired, they want a lot of sleep, and they want to eat. And there's like the two indicators are like, how can I tell you this? To cry and scream.
Starting point is 01:29:11 And so we just, we really tried to respect that. We respect them to like, they need sleep just like we need sleep. And then that actually helped to then have them sleep through the night more effectively. Well, you also gave me some really good advice. We had the opportunity a couple of weeks back where, you know, what I love about talking to you guys is that you have multiple kids. And I remember I asked the question to you, Justin, I said, you know, is there something that you did with one and not the other
Starting point is 01:29:36 that you go, fuck, I wish I had done that. And you talked about the food habits and how much that's come to haunt you later on. Like the first one you were just made sure the food was pre dialed. Yeah, dialed in. You put the discipline in to do that the second one you're kind of, ah, whatever. And then now that they're older, you're paying for it and realizing like, hey, that hard work of making sure that they were on a really good regimen paid off on the first born who you put all that energy into the second when he did and that was something that I take heed to for sure. Yeah, that's a good one.
Starting point is 01:30:08 I think too, if you're a good person, because I know you, you're a good person, you're loving person, you're empathetic, you're not a piece of shit. So I think you're going to be a great dad, 100%. I don't think there's going to be any issues. You're going to make mistakes like everybody does, but you're going to be a good father. I think as I think about it, the advice that you probably would benefit the most from is to avoid the pitfalls that a lot of men fall into when they have a child.
Starting point is 01:30:33 And a lot of men, especially men who really take on responsibility, one of the big pitfalls that we tend to take on is, because here's what ends up happening, you know, stereotype, right? We have a baby, the mom's like, oh my God, I just want to be at home with the kid all the time, whatever. Dad's like, I got to fucking work all the time.
Starting point is 01:30:50 I got to make all this money. Everything has to be taken care of. And they become these crazy stress cases in that regard. That's the thing I'll say, be careful for. It won't drive you to the point where you're going to, oh my God, I have a kid now. I have to be even more of a maniac with everything. And then the other thing is,
Starting point is 01:31:06 because this happens very easy, is so much is centered around having a kid. I need to work more, everything needs to be set up more, that you and your partner can really start to drift apart. And so the thing that I think will do you the best, that will make you so much more effective, both of you so much more effective, is if you prioritize from day one, prioritize spending time together,
Starting point is 01:31:30 and you're gonna have to schedule it. It's not gonna happen like it does now where you have a day, you go home, and you and Katrina are like, hey, what do you wanna do tonight? I don't know, let's go out to the, it's much more difficult to do that when you have a baby because you need to have someone watch the kid
Starting point is 01:31:41 or whatever. You've got guys here. Yeah, you've got guys here that'll watch your kids. Well, you have a lot of help and you have help. Yeah, you definitely want to use that. Schedule it. No, I think that's more incredible advice just because I see how difficult that is just as a grown 38 year old man that's got a busy life, how much we have to already schedule.
Starting point is 01:32:02 I can only imagine how 10X that becomes when an infant is now involved. So no, I'm sure that will be something that I will have to be very proactive. And there's certain things that we're doing already to get ourselves prepared for that. I mean, I'm already creating new habits for myself, knowing that like, okay, when this baby comes,
Starting point is 01:32:22 I'm gonna have need to put these habits in place. If these are these priorities are gonna get accomplished because as of right now, I make it to the gym and work out at my own leisure where it's gonna be structured. Right, if it's not structured, it's gonna be very difficult for her and I to make that time because we're at the mercy of the baby, right?
Starting point is 01:32:39 You know, the badass rocking chair. Yeah, that's one, that's another advice. At the end of the day, you know, honestly though, too, you don't over think it, don't over stress it too much. This child is going to be very blessed. Being born to both you and Katrina, you're both smart. You're going to do it the best way you know how. Yeah, you're both smart, responsible, hardworking, honest people.
Starting point is 01:33:00 You know, there's going to be a lot of intuition that you're going to have that is going to tell you to do certain things for your kid that other people may say isn't the right thing. Listen to your intuition exist for a reason. I remember, you know, people would tell us, like if your kid cries in the middle of my, you know, let him cry it out or whatever.
Starting point is 01:33:16 And I remember once my son was crying, to this day I feel terrible about it. This was my crying. And I'm like, you know what? People say that I'm crying out. But he had, there was something to his cry that was a little bit. I was like, I don't know if I, but I remember thinking like, no, no, no, I'm gonna let him cry out and he cried for like fucking 90 minutes.
Starting point is 01:33:31 So finally I got up and went in there and the kid had pooped everywhere. Poor kid was crying because it was poof every. I remember feeling like I should have fucking listened to my intuition. Yeah, yeah, it's true. It does happen. Yeah, dude. So me or whatever. So yeah, it's sometimes they can be telling you something.
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