Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1118: The Best Pre-Workout Supplements, How to Fix Boring Workouts, What to do Between Sets & MORE

Episode Date: September 13, 2019

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about the best pre-workout for someone who has a caffeine tolerance, how to make the most of your rest time during a workout, what to do (or not do) when you get bored with training, and whether macros should change during a deload week. A good old fashioned ‘pure’ push. The benefits of coffee berry extract that can be found in Organifi products. (4:24) Have there been things that their kids have picked up from their own behaviors that have come to bite them in the ass?? (7:35) Mind Pump on the ‘vape’ hysteria. (13:57) A review of the new ‘Dennis Rodman: For Better or Worse’ documentary and how he has influenced and impacted Adam’s life. (19:32) Mind Pump Recommends ‘The Pursuit’ on Netflix. (30:23) Bill Burr crushing it in his new special, ‘Paper Tiger’. (34:17) The differences between grass-fed vs. grain-fed and how Butcher Box aims to provide a better health profile. (36:02) #Quah question #1 – What pre-workout do you take and what do you recommend for someone who has a caffeine intolerance? (44:15) #Quah question #2 – How do you make the best of your rest time during a workout? (53:45) #Quah question #3 – What do you do or not do when you get bored with training? (1:00:51) #Quah question #4 – Should macros change during a deload week? (1:08:57) People Mentioned DENNIS. RODMAN. (@dennisrodman)  Instagram Bill Burr (@wilfredburr)  Instagram Paul Chek (@paul.chek)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned September Promotion: MAPS Starter ½ off!! **Code “STARTER50” at checkout** Visit Organifi for the exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! **Code “mindpump” at checkout** Modulatory effect of coffee fruit extract on plasma levels of brain-derived neurotrophic factor in healthy subjects. A sixth person died from vaping-related lung disease. Here's what you need to know The complicated evolution of Dennis Rodman Billy Corgan Tells Hilarious Dennis Rodman Stories - Joe Rogan The Pursuit | Netflix Bill Burr: Paper Tiger | Netflix Official Site Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Effects of Beetroot Juice Supplementation on Cardiorespiratory Endurance in Athletes. A Systematic Review Mind Pump Free

If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, with your hosts. Salda Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, we open up this episode by talking about current events, studies, and our lives. And then after 40 minutes, we jump into some fitness questions. Here's what we talked about in the first 40 minute intro of this episode. I started by talking about a study on coffee fruit extract and how this increases BD&F,

that's brain derived neurotropic factor in the brain. So this actually increases a compound that nourishes your brain cells. It's like miracle grow for your brain. Well, one of the supplements that organize cells, pure, which is meant for brain health, naturally would contain this compound. Now, we are sponsored by Organify, they are one of our sponsors and partners.

If you go to organify.com-mindpump and use the code MindPump, You'll get a full 20% off. Then we talked about habits that we pass down to our kids and dogs, things that we tend to regret. I talked about the vape crisis in quotations, not really a crisis. Adam brought up Dennis Rodman's 30 for 30 and how Dennis Rodman strongly influenced him

to paint his toenails when he was an adult. That's it. Then we talked about the documentary, The Pursuit. Highly recommend this documentary, one of the better documentaries I've seen in a very long time. Go watch it. We talked about Bill Burr's new Netflix special.

He, I think you might have jumped over Dave Chappelle in terms of who was a more offensive. He was on fire. It was great. And then I talked about the fatty acid profile difference between grass fed and grain fed beef. Grass fed beef has much higher rates of omega-3 fatty acids. And it's also slightly higher and other key nutrients.

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and what do we recommend for someone who has a caffeine tolerance? So we talk all about things you can take and do before you work out to give you a better workout. The next question, how do you make the most of your rest time during a workout? So what should you do when you rest to maximize the effectiveness of your workout?

The next question, what do we do or not do when we're bored with our training? So we give our advice. If you're someone who's finding yourself a little bored with your workouts and you need a little spice in your life, you'll love that part of this episode. And the final question, should you change your macros when you're having a de-load week, a de-load week is when you lower dramatically lower the intensity or the volume of a workout to allow your body to recover.

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that's MAPS STAR TER.com and use the code starter 50 STAR TER 50 no space for the discount. What's the deal with the organified purer? They want us to... They want a pure push. They want to do a pure push. Like a pure, like a pure... You're all fashion pure push. Like a drug pusher.

Yeah, that's like missionary style. It's the easiest one to push. It's the one we use every day. I'm always pushing it in my brain. So speaking of which, I'm always looking up compounds and supplements that we may take or the stuff that I take. It's to see different studies and how they work in the body.

There's something in the pure, because I've talked about how they have line main. They also have something called coffee berry extract. That's in there. So the coffee berry is the part that's thrown away, whenever we typically make, is there still remnants of caffeine? No, from that.

No. So the coffee berry extract raises BDNF in the brain. Brain-derived neurotropic factor. You guys ever heard of that before? Yeah, I have. In fact, I was just listening to a mental wellness TED talk and the guy was talking about the importance of that with mental wellness. Yes.

So BDNF, low levels have been correlated with depression, with neurodegenerative disorders. Higher levels have been correlated with better neuroplasticity. So in essence, maybe faster and better learning and healthier brains, I've heard it be compared to like miracle grow for your brain. So it's like fertilizer for your brain. And there's things that will raise BDNF in the brain.

So it's from the coffee bean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So exercise raises BDNF quite a bit. But there are compounds that you can consume that seem to raise them as well. And coffee bean extract is one of the things. And that's one of the things that the organify pure. I gotta share that tip.

I'll talk to you guys. I think you guys will really like it. Yeah. Which one? Did we just talk about that? Yeah, I literally just watched that yesterday and that was one of the things that he was discussing. Now, he was talking about using that analogy

to explain why it's so important that we move. Because I guess when we create the movement, you get your body releases a ton of that, right? In comparison, and that's why we feel so good like after we just move into it. What's good for the body tends to be good for the brain also. It's all part of the same organism. Obviously, it's so funny how we set up radical.

Yeah, we tend to separate things. Well, we've done that with medicine too. I mean, it's just like we're trying to figure out and compartmentalize this one part of the system and you have to consider the whole. No, nothing that's good for the brain is, well, Colleen, obviously, which some scientists are saying should be considered an essential nutrient.

Colleen, you can find in high amounts in animal products, especially egg yolks, and cholesterol. Cholesterol is very good. Dietary cholesterol seems to be good for the brain, and muscle, and you guys know how I mess around with increasing my cholesterol intake. I'm in a cycle of doing that right now. So I'm eating all eat like six to 10 egg yolks a day for a little while. And I always yeah, always notice

strength gains. And there's tons of studies, by the way, to support this tons of studies. Show that. You're that yoked terminology. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Probably. Probably. Probably. Just as winning the dead jokes. He's killing us. I have to beat you. You've been like, uh, like void of those lately. You guys were talking about the, uh, the beat and F, which reminded me of the Ted Talk, just reminded me of something that I wanted to ask you guys because when I was listening to the Ted Talk was actually when I was walking the dogs. And, uh, I've got my headphones in Talk was actually when I was walking the dogs.

And I've got my headphones in, I've got the baby on me. I'm walking the dogs, I'm doing the Ted Talk, I'm like doing all this, right? And I get really fucking pissed at the dogs. I actually get really pissed at Mazi. But, and the inside of me, I want to fucking soccer kick him, I'm so mad because he starts acting all the fool. And I don't because I realize that what he's doing is something like that I taught him. And I used to think it was really funny and cute when he was a puppy that when we get him

up for it, get his leash on him, like if the leash came around and like hit him on the head or at Tangle Man on his foot, he would like turn around and like get after the leash. And then I would kind of play tug of war with him. Err, and I would do that with him. And so he'd go back and forth and I'd laugh about it. And then when Katrina would go to leash him up and it would happen to her, I'd be laughing at her while she's trying to put the leash on him

and he's trying to fuck and attack the leash. And so it was something hilarious that he used to do as a puppy all the time. And every once in a while, it's like an adult now. He does an adult dog, he does this, where you you know and it's always at the worst fucking time you know here I am baby two dogs ear phones in and shit and I'm and he's trying to take it Bentley's trying to take a poop and he's going the opposite direction I'm trying to hold him and when I pull on him the rope comes around like his chest and it pisses him off and he grabs it and he just starts and he's pulling on it one direction. I'm trying to pick up the poop from Bentley. I

mind you. I've got the baby so I can't bend over. I'm like squatting and trying to like, I'm so fucking, I'm a mess. After I calm down and relax all about it, it gave me, I had this thought, you know, just because I probably because I have maximus on my chest and I'm thinking about this as a father now. I think, oh wow, this is a really good lesson for myself. Like, there's gonna come a time where I'm probably gonna teach my son something that I think is really cute and funny now

that later on I'm gonna go, motherfucker, what did I do that? Now it's coming by me, yeah, so it made me think I had to ask you guys, obviously, because you've been fathers for much longer. Had there been things that your kids either picked up from your own behaviors or that you actually taught them that you looked back

now you're like, fuck, why did I do that? Yeah. I gotta come up with one. You got some examples once you start. I definitely have a few. Yeah, I got you. I knew you guys would, I might be. Well, yeah, so I think one of the funniest things

in the world to me every time, I don't care how many times I've seen it yeah. Yeah, so I think one of the funniest things in the world to me every time, I don't care how many times I've seen it, heard it, or fart, fart to me, or just the funniest, it's like God's joke, I mean. And there's never a situation where you hear a fart in public, think about that, you're in public, you hear a random person farting, I don't care if it's a kid, I don't care if it's an adult.

Yeah, it's always good. It's just fucking hilarious, it's fart's a great, so, you know, and care if it's a kid. I don't care if it's an adult. Yeah, it's always good. It's just fucking hilarious. Farts are great. So, you know, and so I grew up that way and I make jokes about it and whatever. And so then I teach my kids, and so then what are my kids do? They fart on everybody.

So they walk up to people, they didn't know they're little and then they got a fart and they'll run over and person things are trying to give them a hug. They'll turn around and push, you know. Blast them. And out of, anyway, they're little kids, you know, they were little like two or three.

And I would crack up laughing, you know, cause of three year olds, the three year old who ran up to you, you thought they were gonna kids, you know, they were little like two or three and I would crack up laughing You know because of three year old the three old who ran up to you You thought they were gonna give you a hug So you were all happy you pick them up and then they fart and laugh at you and then you put them down They run away. Yeah, and as a father. I'm just like this is great. This is like the greatest thing ever Yeah, it's not cool when they're like tan Lab is in there eating a lot more Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah eating a lot more. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot different. Yeah, it had to have that conversation at some point, like, okay, listen.

You can do it to me. I don't remember what happened. I think it was, I want to say it was my daughter. She was like four. God, she's going to kill me one day, and she is telling. Yeah, I know they don't do this anymore as much because we've had the conversation, but she was like four or five. And I don't remember

what my at the time my wife was doing something and my daughter just been just blasted right in the face. She just walks up. She turns. She puts her butt up to her face and just and then starts cracking up and I was done. Yeah. But it pissed off. Yeah, my ex wife, it pissed her off. Yeah. I mean, that's always a joke and I could totally like that could be one of mine as well I have two other ones that I've Taking it upon myself is you know, I have two boys So this is kind of a special thing like I don't have a girl so we can actually do this We go outside and we pee on the trees and

It's a sort of a ritual that we've had for a while where we just, I'm letting the dog out, he's doing his thing, me and the boys are outside. Perse living in the country. Pissing on trees, nobody's watching us or judging us, you know, whatever, it's everything's fine. Yeah, that all kind of came to a crashing halt once we were downtown Santa Cruz and Courtney and I were

in this shop and then I come outside and I see my young guest just pulls past so he's peeing on a tree in front of everybody like people walk up by just laughing. On the sidewalk or what? Yeah, yeah, he's like five and I'm like, okay, this is beyond like this is not appropriate. We have to we can only do certain places. I gotta like explain to him and undo what I've done. And then, it was like a little homeless person. Yes.

I knew you would have an example like that. He's just like, yeah, yeah, I did. He's like, he championed it. You know, he's like, look what I can do. Yeah, so there was that. And then there's this one that, and this is a little different. So this is more like, I feel like

this is gonna come back to biting the ass way later. And like I was immediately tried to like, oh no cover up what I've done. Like I was, one of my clients had like, had gotten one of these vape pens that was like a vitamin C or not a vitamin B12. And so they're like, oh, it's just new things. This energy you could vape and whatever.

I'm like, that's weird. And so I was like, yeah, I'll give it a try. And so I brought it home and I'm showing Courtney in my bedroom. I'm like smoking it. Kind of like, this is weird. I'll watch this and so I started doing like smoke rings. And then like, Ethan around the corner he comes in

and he watches me and I'm like, doing smoke rings. And he's just, I see his eyes looking at me like, whoa, that's cool. How do I do that? Oh, no. Oh, no. No that? Oh no, no No, no, no, no listen son. This was a joke like I'm like try I'm like oh no dude. He's gonna like totally run with that later on

Did you guys if you guys been seeing all the the hoopla going around about the vape pins or whatever? Oh, yeah people dying and shit like that. Yeah, well, I mean, okay. Like two people. Let's talk about this. Yeah, we gotta be, here's, this is the thing I hate about media is that it, well, that's our fault, right? We're the ones that click on the sensational shit. So according to the media,

if you were to believe the, the how often you see these news articles or how often you see this on the internet, apparently, vape pens are killing tens of thousands of people every day. It's not super, super rare, but they're blowing up in terms of people's awareness of these black market vape pens.

So that's what's happening. People are getting these black market THC vape pens and they use like, who knows what, a solvents, and it's causing allergic reactions and stuff and certain kids, but it's not super, super common. But it does make me wonder why this like vape hysteria, because now what they're doing is they're saying, their recommendation is don't use any vapes.

Everybody, if you have a vape at home, don't use it. So it's like, let's push it away. Hold on. Yeah, moral burrow, is that you? Oh, so these haven't been cases of like brands like Jewel or like, it's, oh yeah, because that's really, these are black markets. That's super popular right now is that. I mean, I know I still have a lot of family and friends that are still connected in the

marijuana space and, you know, that's, that hustle has been going on for a while because it's, you'll make a lot more money just that packaging it yourself. Mm-hmm. So a lot more money just that packaging it yourself. So a lot of these guys just package the pens themselves and they ship them out other places and they make a huge markup instead of selling the oil or whatever exactly to the... If you use a vape, you want to make sure that it's pure distilled, nothing else in there and only go with a super reputable brand. I just say you're probably good if you're going with one of the big brands. Maybe, you probably are. But the best bet, if you wanna,

here's your best bet to vape, is to buy yourself a fucking volcano and vape the flour yourself. That way you know there's nothing else in there, you know what I mean? It's like the steam or whatever. It's basically what it does, is it's heating up the plant enough to boil off the tricones and the THC and the CBD and all that of the stuff,

but it's not hot enough to burn the plant. So what you're breathing in is the steam, essentially, that's coming off of it. But what they'll do with these vape pans is they'll take these the flour and they'll figure out ways to extract. They concentrate and we're going to use one of the most popular ways of doing that is with butane. Yeah. And so then you end up vaping chemicals. At least some butane.

Yeah, and butane doesn't leave your system. It's not like something that passes through. Like they say once that goes in, it stays in. So you just built up butane. Yeah, yeah, so that's fine. That's fine. And let me tell you being somebody who was running the clubs for a long time,

you know, when that came out and people were like, okay, no longer butane, CO2 is the cleanest source of doing it and that's what people were doing. The people that were still blowing with butane were lying and saying they were doing a CO2. Like, and I know that firsthand, because there was no regulation.

There's no regulation around it. So there's all that. It's a new market, yeah. So it's too early for the market to, it's a lot better, like vapes today are way better than they were. Are we talking about, I mean, these studies are around tobacco or is it around like, no, the kids that were getting sick, there were a couple deaths or whatever, were from

these black market marijuana vape pens. Okay. They were not from like the, these, you know, jewel, you know, tobacco ones or whatever, nicotine ones. Right. Yeah. I mean, the truth be told, vapes probably are better for you because you're not inhaling,

depending on the kind of vape, but if you get a good one, probably better because you're not inhaling, you know, particulate matter. But that doesn't mean that they're good. You know what I mean? Better doesn't mean good. It just means maybe a little bit better. I mean, I've seen some videos where people,

like in certain communities where they're just like, they obviously are selling vape products that like get really defensive when people like, you know, like the vape god and all these like people out there, like doing these videos where they're just blown smoke everywhere and all this and like making it into this big, you know, production, they're just like, oh, they're doing a disservice.

This is a healthy product. I'm like, wait a minute, healthy product. Now, when you look at studies, that can't happen. That's a very good point what you're saying. I know, because it reminds me of the supplement industry where we try and say it's a healthy, these are healthy products.

When it's like, no, ideally, still should be eating whole foods, just like we ideally shouldn't be smoking anything. Well, they also, if we're going to. Well, they also take a study and then're going to. But they also, they also take a study and then twist it and apply it to their product. So here's an example. So if you look at studies on vaporizing cannabis

and you read vapor versus combusted or smoke, you'll find that vapor has like 98 or 99% less particulate matter. So it's almost no burned up plant material whatsoever. So that means less irritation alongs, less potential for carcinogenic effects, better delivery of the medicinal properties or aspects or whatever.

But the vapes that are used in the studies are the volcano vapes. They're the vapes that heat up the flower and boil off the tricolomes and then you breathe it in. So it's straight from the flour. There's no, there's no extraction process, no chemical extraction process. But what they're doing is they're saying, oh, look, the studies show that vapes are, or have less particular matter. That's why you need to buy our vape. That's not the same. What you guys did isn't the same thing. You just, you actually use butane or whatever to extract the stuff,

turn it into a liquid or a gel and then, you know, breathe it in. Not the same thing at all. You know it. Anyway. Do you guys see the Dennis Rodman 30 for 30? No, what's the deal with that? I saw a trailer for that.

You know, I really want to watch it. Is it any good? Bro, so good. What's he up to these days? Depressed, dude. Yeah, it's a very sad. It's sad. Because he jumped, he jumped the shark hard like recently.

Um, hanging out with fucking North Korea. I mean, he's one of the reason why Trump got introduced to him. How? Because he was the one that first, he was there first. He was there first for, for like five years. No, everybody forgets that. Yeah, he was like her bridge. No, we are cut. That's actually not a bad point.

No, I thought he even thinking that way. Yeah, no, it's actually in the documentary, he talks a little bit. It's one of his proudest things is that he helped make that connection and start that process. Wow, I didn't even think of it that way. Bro, his story is, so it was emotional, I mean, it was emotional already

and then it was extra emotional for me and it actually, man, it made me really think about some things that I, you know, lately I just had it yesterday. I did an interview too, and sometimes people go back to like my childhood and ask questions about early stuff in my life. And I was just came back from my 20 year reunion. So of course, a lot of my like high school memories are kind of flying through my head. And I definitely was, I was known for being very unique

and different. Like I was always addressed different than everybody else. I've talked to you guys about it. We're crazy hats and I had, and I forgot until I was watching this documentary. I just didn't put two and two together. In sixth grade, bad as I wanna be, biography came out. And that was Dennis Rodman's biography.

It was the one where he's naked on the Harley, and it's actually the first book. I got the poster. Did you really? No. No, that was the first book. Without the basketball. Yeah. That I ever read, covered to cover.

And anybody who knows Dennis Rodman, I mean, that was like his part of his personality. But if you know his whole story, he wasn't always like that. It wasn't until when that book got released was really his major transition of kind of like, fuck the world, I'm gonna be who I am. I'm not gonna be afraid to cry, not gonna be afraid to paint my toenails or my fingernails. I mean, he dressed like a woman before it was cool.

Yeah, you know what I mean? Before it was like a thing. Yeah, no more. He was wearing wedding dress. He dressed himself out there, yeah. It was cool. Yeah, you know what I mean? But before I was like a thing. Yeah, he was he was wearing wedding dress himself out there. Yeah, it was it was cool to watch. That that was the the interesting part too. Like even on when you would play in games and things he would like be extra flashy like with his hair with his nails, whatever it was. And you that was like the only example I remember like at the time, like you'd see like somebody doing that. And you know, I he was he's one of my still to this day,

one of my favorite all-time players. I just loved the way he played the game. Yes. And such a team player. Right. And so I loved the way he played. And I didn't, I didn't really realize where I probably got that from, like, the way I dressed and the way I acted.

And like, it makes so much sense now that that was the first book I ever read, covered a cover in sixth grade. And it probably had way more influence than I even realized that it had. But now, like I said, going back to all these reunions and kind of having memories of high school and then watching this documentary, it took me back to like, oh, man, I remember when this was in the news and when this was happening, I remember reading the book. Like, I remember I loved the book.

Like, oh, shit. Like, that explains a lot of probably where my my personality and my attitude kind of came from as a kid and I tried to obviously model my game around the way he played to I was nowhere near the athleticism as he was but you know his story is just why do you say he was depressed they say was it was going on oh no you just he's always been like he was he was never really loved man he had he he just he that was he was always looking for acceptance and seeking for someone to love.

In fact, his first like real relationship or friendship, he was like 20 and his like best friend was like 12. And it was the first and this kid was kind of troubled. And it was this white family that took him in because his mother kind of, his mother abandoned him, kicked him out when he was, he was, he was 12. He was the, no, he was 20. 20. Okay. He was the 20 year old. His mom kicked him out, out at 20 years old, and said figured out, and he was like sleeping on the street. His story too, he didn't play ball when he was younger. He sprouted up when he was after high school. I didn't know that. Yeah. So he wasn't even like this bad-ass high school player,

or anything like that. Like he didn't come on the scene till junior college and he grew like a foot in a year and He had no like he had no real crazy skills He was just he played with so much passion and it was his outlet because it nowhere else was he accepted or loved During like that and it was the game that was the only place that you know He found some sort of acceptance in and he played with his whole other level of passion. And then it gets into his relationship. Where do you watch these? Is this on, um, this was on HBO?

Well, I, I mean, I stream, no, this one was ESPN. ESPN. Okay. And I stream with sling. So sling also had it. So sling played it. So if you have any sort of, if you have any, whatever app you're paying for, I don't know, I think Hulu, Hulu, I think does ESPN, I'm not sure.

But I pay for ESPN and I have sling, so I watch it on ESPN. But anywhere you can get the 30 for 30. So I don't know where are the, what are the places that string to the screen? That's interesting to me. He's always an interesting person to me. His whole story is incredible.

Very, very different. And he was different in ways that were not considered the norm back then. You know what I mean? Like a lot of the stuff that I think. It was cool because he was so different. Yeah, like now when you see people doing some of the stuff he did, you think, oh, you're following the formula. It's a trend now.

Well, you find out, I mean, he was just being himself. I mean, when he was, they showed, they have video of him when he has to he had two older sisters that We're collegiate level playing ball players and they were older than he was and they used to dress him up Oh, yeah, so there's video of him like as a Five seven-year-old them the girls because he has two older sisters putting dresses on him and lipstick and they did all that stuff Like and so he had a really tight relationship with his sisters and he bonded more with them. It makes all kinds of sense.

That makes sense. Yeah. When you see and really what the, you know, him being so, I don't know, the lamb boy. Yeah. Flamboyant about it was kind of him finally, like he was holding it all in and it was depression and so it just came out. Yeah. So finally it was just like, I call it was depression and. So it just came out all. Yeah. So finally it was just like,

I call that a symptom eruption. Yeah. It was a symptom eruption and it's just like, that's it. I decided I'm going to take this and that and the what happened was when he was in Detroit, okay, with Chuck daily, who was, who became like a father figure for him, he bonded so, so much with him. And that was the first time he felt like that real love like that or a father figure at all in his life. They go on to win two championships. He's like defensive player of the year. Like and they show his interview clips of him crying when

he got all that. Like just how important that was to him. And then and to him, he was such a child. They always talk about how he was 10, 15 years older, but he acted 10, 15 years younger than when he really was, because it was very immature in that area. And he really didn't even understand how the awards worked in the NBA. He just loved playing the game. He loved his coach, did whatever he was told,

wanted to impress his coaches. And it's a business, right? So eventually, championship teams tend to get broken up, coaches getting like the coach retires, players, and he just thought this was going to go on forever. And it just rocked his world that these day, they abandoned him. And he has these abandonment issues. And that kind of brought out this like, fuck everybody, fuck the world type of, you know,

I'm going to be who I am as crazy as it is. And he lived the crazy too. I heard a crazy story like Billy Corbin you know from smashing pumpkins he's on Joe Rogan's podcast and I guess he's like friends with Dennis Rodman and like they flew to Vegas and everything like the night before like a a championship game and he's party until like four in the morning whatever gets like a red eye comes right back and then plays, like in plays. Awesome.

Well, that's what they said. They were talking to the coaches and players were talking about. He was like just in, it was the most crazy thing you've ever seen. He said, this guy played with more passion. And they say that today, like he's probably the most popular, well-known player who didn't have to score any points on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on the court. Like you just, he played with a level of passion and tendency that we had never really seen before.

And that was what was so attractive about him. And then he would fucking party till five o'clock in the morning, take 20 records of him, taking like 40 shots of Yeager. Oh my God. And then coming on the court and just running like a guy's animal and just outplaying and out hustling everybody.

And so nobody said anything to him. It's not like that. Wow. That's what I would say. That makes you wonder if these people, these success stories in that sense, that successful, he was with basketball and all that. If that even would have existed, had you not had that hard life, you know, I mean, leading up to it, you know, I don't believe so. Isn't that weird? No, I believe it totally makes us. At least for me personally, I've come full circle that way of, you way of probably as a young teenage kid, just like I was emotional because I can identify with a lot of the feelings that I think he went through. And he had a lot of resentment towards his mother, just like I had in my early years

of, you know, so angry at her. But then later on, you start to learn that that resentment or whatever those feelings that caused you to be the person that you are, it also developed probably some of the it hardened me. It made me stronger. It pushed me like and those things ended up turning me in. That's what I'm saying. Like if you take and statistically you can see like you know if you took a hundred kids and you took 50 of them and had them you know do the traditional good happy life. On average, they would do a lot better than the other 50

that had a bad life or whatever. But every once in a while, that hard life turns some kid into a fricking phenom, you know, into Oprah Winfrey or into the next Steve Jobs or whatever. So it is kind of strange, isn't it? Well, what I identified with is, and this is that,

you know, when you come from someone, or come from something like that, and you maybe feel like you weren't loved and you're seeking that, you want acceptance, you want love, and then you finally, and you're seeking your whole life and a lot of trouble and hardship and shit going on, and then finally, something finally clicks in your life. You know, you've got years and years and years of all.

You've just become a yesability, you master it. Right, right. You get years and years and years of all this instability and heartache and not feeling accepted, and then all of a sudden, you find something that you're passionate and you're good at, and others accept you and you're revered for it. It's a level of dedication that does.

And then you're just like, oh my God, like I finally found something like it's Mike, it's your escape from all the other things that have been bringing you down. And you know, and he's been to, you know, borderline suicidal and shit like that. And so you find something like that and then you just pour fucking everything into it.

You know, crazy. Did you guys, what did you guys think of that documentary, the pursuit? Oh man, I loved that. Isn't that awesome? It was very strange, because it's like, it's somewhat political, but like Courtney and myself, both we were like getting emotional,

like watching it and watching these people's stories. It's not political, although it will be made into a political documentary. Yeah, no, I agree. I'm just saying that it has like a subject matter that's talking about. It's been politicized. I understand.

The guy who made the documentary Arthur C. Brook, he's a professional French horn player and then became an economist and grew up in a very progressive house and he wanted to figure out, he learned of a statistic that I'm very familiar with, that a lot of people aren't familiar with, which is sad that between the years 1970 and 2015, I believe, the world that lived in grinding poverty,

the kind of poverty that threatens to kill people. They say less than a dollar a day. Less than a dollar a day. That total population decreased by over 80%. So in other words, within just like 40 years or so, four decades, we took 80% of those people and lifted them out of that type of grinding. Yeah, millions.

Billion, billions. So how did that happen? And that was way ahead of the targets that the World Health Organization and all these big organizations had, they said, hey, we want to be able to do this by the year 2020 and it was done by like 2010 or something like that. How did it happen so fast? And so he went and did some investigating and talked to economists on either side, you know, both, you know, liberal and conservative in the middle. And did is research and he came back and realized it was the freeing up

of markets, it was the opening up, it was globalization, it was free enterprise, people lifting themselves out. This talk, and what I like about this documentary so much is he communicates it exactly in the way that I originally fell in love with how markets work. Because I originally heard Milton Friedman explain how for the world's poorest, this is what helps them the most. So this documentary kind of talks about this whole journey.

It was amazing. It's fascinating. The statistics are crazy. As he was going through India and talking about India's progress and whatever. I mean, fascinating stuff. I'm really happy that there's something like this out there and there's someone who's communicating it

in a not aggressive, not counter or political way. He's just like, here's how it is. This is what helps you. Yeah, and the various examples, so the counterarguments of different structures that other countries have and over in Denmark, for example, he went there and interviewed people and showed like, you know, the benefits and also, you know, some of the drawbacks to it. And it's just good to peer in. Because you hear people just throw out, you know, just willing-nilly just examples that, you know, are there to like shut down the argument or the conversation. But let's peer into that a little bit more and see what that all entails.

Well, most of that poverty reduction happened after the fall of the Berlin Wall, which was a very symbolic, you know, it signified the fall of the world superpower, the Soviet Union and communism. And so when that happened, world governments started adopting more and more free enterprise and free market policies. They started lessening regulation, increasing, promoting property rights and rule of law. And then that just spurred this incredible growth. And most of it happened in the, where you see the world's poorest people who were able to

lift themselves out. So it's really cool to go through and see that in this documentary. It was really, really well-made, very, very well-made documentary. I'm looking forward to having them. Oh, yeah. I can't wait to have this show.

Should we give them a show? I'll be amazing. Amazing. And then the other thing, Bill Burr. Yeah. Bill Burr. Yeah, crushed it. Killed it.

One, two, punch. I mean, Bill Burr came out. I mean, after watching the Chappelle, you know, episode, I was like, I don't know, like, I don't know how, I don't know if he's gonna go as hard, you know, and of course, Bill Berk, like, what was I thinking? Like, he came in, like, just guns blazing.

Just like, hey, this is absurd. This is ridiculous. Like, this is, I was like, wow. Him and Chappelle are just saving. I can't wait till we go see him. Oh my gosh. So pumped for that. I think they both saved comedy.

I swear to God, they came out and just swung the bat and everything they're not supposed to. Well, the billbird was just dropped last night. So it'll be interesting to see the backlash that he gets. And we know it's already been happening. It's already started. They did already start. Yeah, I already see reviews and in the back lashes already

happened. I surprised it was in England. I didn't I didn't realize like he was gonna shoot a special out there in London, right? And so it's like you you imagine that being a totally different vibe different crowd, you know different type of Oh, you can hear it. You can hear it. Yeah, you can hear similar. You can hear him taking the audience through some things And there's like half the crowd laughing the audience through some things and there's like half the crowd laughing. I'm agreeing with you. Yeah, the other half might so sure about it, you know. That's my favorite kind of-

It's just roasting everybody. My favorite kind of comedy is somebody who can say the unspeakable, but say in a way where they can and then at the end of it make you kind of laugh a little bit about- And make you think. Yeah, think about the tension release. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? How tense it is.

That's what it is. Like how tense is shit getting when you're like afraid to say the wrong, whatever? And then a comedian comes out, says it, doesn't away to where, you know, they're not offensive because it's obviously joking in the way they do it. And it just releases attention. Yeah, helps everybody breathe a little bit more and be like, okay, yeah, actually, we do.

We're pretty cool with each other. What are we doing here? Exactly, exactly. So yesterday we, Jessica and I were watching her friends' little daughter. She's adorable. And when her dad came to pick him up, he told me that he just got butcher box because he heard it on our podcast, right? So he just started it and he said, he just started grilled up the meat.

And he was asking me all the differences between, because he noticed some differences. He's like, you know, I got the ribeye and I grilled them up. And I noticed that they cook faster. I don't know if you guys have noticed this. It was grass fat. He's like, a cooks faster. Of course, less fat. Yeah.

And he goes and it wasn't, is marbled in terms of the fat and it tasted just a little bit different. So I was explaining to him the difference between grass fed and grain fed and I said, you know, I said, here's a thing. Like, if you want just pure palatability, like just taste in lots of fat and all that stuff, grain fed cows, they just produce that kind of meat. But if you're gonna eat meat on a regular basis, you wanna go with the healthier version

and grass fed is just, it's just better for you. It's got, you know, three times as much omega-3 fatty acids. It's a healthy animal. It is, it is, it's a healthier animal. You're eating something healthy. You're eating something some sick, healthier animal. Absolutely. Well, it, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I Omega sixes are similar. They have lower omega three fatty acids. There's like up to five times as much

omega three fatty acids and grass fed meat. Okay, that's right. And great fed. And we get a lot, the typical American diet is so high in omega six and nine and so low in omega threes, you wanna get more threes. And if you're somebody that's a lot of red meat,

that's a good thing. And not only that, and I think I brought this up a long time ago. I remember reading that, they actually compete with each other in the cell. So if you get like an abundance or a ton of six and nine's, and the cell can only handle so much, and so it won't absorb the three. So even if you take your fish oil pills or you do something like that, but you're getting so much six and nine through the rest of your diet. It like cancels it out.

It competes with it. So it's, and you know, red meat is an area that you can get in abundance of omega-3. So ideally, you'd wanna have something that you're getting most of that. Well, red meat has some great health benefits in it. It's very high in B vitamins.

It's got, you know, you know, when it's healthy, it's got a great, you know, can have a good fatty acid profile. It's high in key nutrients, high in creatine, the highest source of creatine that you can find in traditional, you know, type meets that we eat, would be like a steak. Like a nice steak will have like three grams of creatine in it, right? So, which is good for your brain,

good for your heart, and then of course we know it, right? So which is good for your brain, good for your heart, and then of course we know it's good for athletic performance. This is why when you, you know, take athletes that consume more red meat than others, they tend to feel more strength and better performance. But if you're going to eat a lot of red meat, like I do, I eat a lot of ground beef, I eat a lot of steak, I, you know, I'd say at least three days a week, four days a week, I'm having some some type of red meat. Yeah, me too. Make it, you want to I'd say at least three days a week, four days a week I'm having some type of red meat. Yeah, me too. Make it, you want to choose the one

that's going to have a better health profile, you know what I'm saying? Even nutrients, even vitamin A and E slightly higher in the grass fed stuff. So if you just have one steak, probably not going to make that big of a difference. But if you eat it regularly, it makes the difference to have something that's,

and that's how I was trying to explain to him. Well, this is what I've committed to myself to doing, it's just, you know, at home, I cook all my butcher box meat when I go out to a restaurant is when I'm going to get that marbly grain fed steak every once in a while. So that's just, and I feel like if I'm doing that, I'm getting, I'm getting a good amount of omega threes this way and I'm not having to worry about the one time or every other week that we might potentially go out to dinner and have a steak. Dude, speaking of this, I can't remember the name

of the show, which sucks, but I wish I remembered it. But there was this other show on Netflix where they would go to different countries and explore like a chef from that area. And so I picked, naturally I picked the one that went to Italy. And there was this butcher there that's really famous in Tuscany and he serves like the best meat.

But he's not a chef, he just, he calls himself a butcher that likes to cook and he has these nice restaurants or whatever. But anyway, they were talking about why is your meat so like world-world-renowned and he was talking about how he takes care of the cows. And then they showed him with the cows and Jessica and I both paused the video

and looked at these cows. I'm like, I have never seen more beautiful looking cows. And my least cows looked totally different than the ones that when you drive down, down to Gilroy sometimes and you see the cows. These cows were the, their coat was so shiny and they looked so healthy and they were roaming around and they were eating grass. And we were down, I was like, gosh, what, you know,

of course the meat's gonna be different for people to consider that. People don't consider that. Like how healthy that animal is and how much of the quality of their life was like you're consuming that. Like you're buying into that. Like we actually like as a family,

we went in with another family and got a prize pig too for the bacon alongside our butcher box and stuff. And it's just like, you want a more bacon? You want more. It gave me a lifetime, but they're making a big shit on it. They're the whole thing now as a ground meat. And I'm like, I need more bacon, I'm sorry.

You don't need more. No, they condescend to like getting more. I'm like, we already have butcher bucks. And then it's like, anyways, it was a prize pig that won all these awards and you taste the difference. It's of course, of course it's gonna make a difference to the health of the animal.

This is why you guys know why milk became, so as pasteurized now, why they even started doing that with milk? Cause it was never, for most of the time we've been drinking milk, we drank it from the cow, which is drank it. Then we had to pasteurize it because cows in America, they were raising cows in these industrial cities. They were feeding these cows terribly. They were feeding them like something called brewers mash, which was

like the leftovers of what would happen when you would brew alcohol and beer and stuff like that. So they'd take those leftover grains and they'd use those to feed the cows. They kept them in these cramped quarters where they couldn't move. They just give them antibiotics. And no, though, this was back, this was a long time ago.

And the cows were sick and infected. And the milk, sometimes we'd even have a slightly blue tint to it. You can actually look this up. And when it ended up happening, as kids were getting sick and dying, people were dying from drinking this infected sick milk. And so then they figured out that you could pasteurize.

Pasteurize comes from the word pestore, which was the scientist that discovered, if you heated things up, it would kill the germs or whatever. And they started pasteurizing milk. But when you pasteurize milk, you also kill a lot of stuff. You destroy some of the enzymes and nutrients. Like milk, natural raw milk contains some lactase in it. Lactase is the enzyme that breaks down lactose.

Right. So sometimes people who can't digest pasteurized milk, if you give them raw milk, they're okay. Yeah. It also, if you feed a calf, for example, pasteurized milk, they're not going to grow up as healthy. Well, isn't that one of the hustles too in the milk industry where the dairy industry, where they talk about or quote studies about how healthy and how great milk is for you. It's like they're using it from raw milk type studies,

give all the benefits of it, but then it's really pasteurized in a mod. It could be. I mean, it could be. I mean, it's so, I mean, the studies show that the full fat milk is better for not. But yeah, so that's why we had to do that. But the reality is, if you have healthy cows that are pasture fed and you can drink milk from them and the risk of getting sick from their milk is extreme.

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An eagerness landed. Quikwa. All right, our first question is from Jesse, Jesus, what pre-workout do you take and what do you recommend for someone who has a caffeine tolerance? Hmm, pre-workout. I've been workout. I've been on that. Coffee. Yeah, it's someone who has a caffeine tolerance? Hmm. Pre-workout. I've been on that. Coffee.

Yeah. It's someone was asking when you, someone asked me what you took the other day when you were throwing shit in my face. Yeah. And I couldn't, I couldn't answer because I don't know because we get sent. I mean, that's probably the number one thing I'd say we get said to us would be pre-workout and supplements, ironically. Yeah, you got to ask yourself before you decide what you want to take or what's worth

taking, what is your goal with taking a pre-workout? Like what's the goal? Is the goal to have more energy, better performance, stamina, some more strength, cognitive boost, maybe cognitive boost, maybe improve recovery, get a better pump. Like these tend to be goals that people have with pre workouts, and then ask yourself what things contribute to those the most? Okay, so here's some of the stuff

that we'll do that the most. Be well hydrated, okay, no joke. There is no citralline, argganine, pump, and boosting matrix. Yeah, you get a much better pump. Yeah, nothing's gonna give you a better pump than just being well hydrated in your workout. All those things they're gonna do shit. You could take Viagra, which is a better vasodilator than all those things combined, and you're not gonna get a better pump than you will if you're well hydrated. So that's number one. Number two, stimulant. Is a stimulant gonna help you with your workout?

Well, yeah, it probably will. And the one that has the best evidence to support it is just good old fashioned caffeine, which is easy to find. It's easy to find caffeine. You can find it in coffee. And coffee. Cheaper-gate pill form.

Pill form, it's inexpensive. You can find it. You can get coffee, playing coffee's healthy. It's got. Pill form, it's inexpensive, you can get coffee, playing coffee's healthy, it's got antioxidant. She's still in his form, never did it for me though. Oh really? Yeah, I guess you have to time it like perfectly, but it's still not.

When I was competing, that's what I just carried the, I think there are 25 milligram pills or 50 milligram pills that I used to just keep in my gym bag and use them on the day. Here's how I use them. It's only for the, I need to keep consistent. And today I don't feel like them on the day. Here's how I use them. It's only for the, I need to keep consistent. And today I don't feel like going on the gym. And I need that extra oomph to do there, to get in there. And the thing that I have to be careful of

is that being the motivation and then it creeping into a regular thing. Because then it's really hard to... Tolerance starts to... Well, not only that, not only does the tolerance come up, but then it's really hard to tolerate and start to, well, not only that, not only does the tolerance come up, but then it's also masking what could be going on. Like, maybe I really just need to rest. Maybe I, you know, maybe I, and that's, and this is close to home for me right now, because I've probably had more pre workout in the

last three months than I have in the last 10 years. I mean, that may not be true, because when I was competing, I was having it probably as frequent as I feel I'm having it right now. So I'm I'm having it more frequent than usual and I know that's because I'm fucking tired, you know, I'm I'm Verily getting more than four hours of sleep on nights. I got a lot of stuff going on I was out of town just recently and yet I'm also trying to stay consistent with my training and you know We get done podcasting. We're sitting under these fucking lights that I can't you know that just make me feel drowsy afterwards and then I want to go out there and lift and I'm just like I'm not in it and I feel like I need to have

a pre workout and so I have you know and I but what I also have noticed is that it's turned into you know every once in a while to turning into almost every time that I'm working out and then I I have to ask myself, am I doing more harm than good by masking how I probably feel when my body's probably telling me I need to rest a little? Yeah, I think for me to the ritual of it all, I think psychologically, I found myself needing to have certain things like that. I needed to have the stimulant. I needed to have the certain types of shoes or whatever it was I was bringing into the

workout or the certain type of music. I really had to have the angriest music possible for me to get a good workout otherwise. Why even do it? I feel like there's a lot of examples of that I've seen with people that are just like, they gotta have their pre-work out and it's like all part of this like, you know, ritual where, you know,

if you don't have that, all of a sudden, it's like detrimental. And so I tried to break that whole cycle for myself and just go in sometimes where I'm just not feeling it, but just start slowly going through the movements and then seeing how my body feels. And again, yeah, it masks a lot of like, you know, the state of your central nervous system,

everything like at the time. So you have to pay attention to, you know, like why you're really needing to include it every single time. But well, caffeine will give you a performance boost when you work out, but you have to be sensitized or sensitive to caffeine For it to work and what I mean by that is if you have caffeine every day then

Having it before you work out is you're going to take you from tired to baseline to normal What you want if you want to use caffeine as a pre workout as you want the caffeine to take you at from baseline To a bit higher and the way you want the caffeine to take you from baseline to a bit higher. The way you do that is you take time off in between. Ideally, for performance benefits, caffeine should be taken maybe for three days a week for your three hardest workouts. If you work out five days a week, don't take it two of those days, make sure it's the easy days and take it on the three hard workouts.

If you take it every day, it loses its effect and people who have caffeine every single day know this. It's like, I drink my coffee every morning and then it makes me normal. So that's how you want to use caffeine. As far as amino acids are concerned because you look at pre workouts and they're like, oh, it's got brand-cheaming

and it lasts, it's to prevent muscle breakdown. It's got essential amino acids to, okay, here's a cheap way to do that, okay. And now, in a half or two hours before, eat a piece of chicken. It's got more amino acids than your amino acid powder. Or if you want the, if you like the powder, just take a scoop of protein powder.

You'll have more branchine amino acids and essential amino acids than that, then your pre-workout is gonna provide you. As far as the pump is concerned, Citroline may increase blood flow a little bit, but it's probably largely a waste of money and time. If the thing that might give you a better pump than that would be like beetroot extract,

beet roots or beets in high doses have been shown to improve performance. You could buy beetroot extract that's pretty inexpensive. I know Organifi makes a red juice that's got that in there so you could even try something like that. But even that, that increase in nitric oxide, that small boost, isn't going to do a whole big thing. No.

In fact, what I worry more about is if my, if my body should be resting and I'm masking it with all the shit that I'm putting in, I probably would have benefited more from either toning my workout down or taking the day off and resting. You're right. It's, it's not listening to your body, is it? Right. It's like you're walking in and you're like, fuck the signals. My body's telling me, I'm gonna, you know, it's like, say, it's like, you know what it's like? It's like this. it's like, oh man, my shoulder fucking hurts. There's no way I can bench press. And then a doctor comes in, courtesone shot.

I'm gonna fucking bench. Yeah, is that a good idea? Right. Not at all. So you make an excellent point, Adam. That's my only concern with myself personally. And I know I can't be the only person that's like that who uses it just because they want it

to get them up and go, right? It's one of the most successful supplement categories. Because you can feel it. Because it's fun. The game you can ramp yourself up way too high or it messes up. It's anything that we ever, anything that we ever try or do that you can feel.

There's no, and that's honestly, there's why the beta, Alan and the Citrolean, which one with the beta? Alan and I, Alan and I, Alan and I, Alan and I, Alan and I the, you know, beta-allene and the citrally, which, what's the beta? Beta-allene is the one that gives you the tingles. You have the tingles. Yeah, and I think people, I mean, I hate that part.

It's so funny. It's like, I like it. I hate that. It really? It makes my face fucking itch and me all, and it, my fingertips tingle and I'm like, no, I don't like that. But people, I know love that.

And I think it's because you can feel it, because you're like, oh, it's working. Bro, it's brilliant. I fucking, I'm saying, and the niacin makes you start sweating early. If you go to us, because you're like, oh, it's working. Bro, it's brilliant. I fucking, I'm saying the niacin makes you start sweating early. If you go to us, like these big conventions, like the Arnold Classic or whatever, and it's like 99% supplements that they're selling

or whatever, and you see what they're handing out, the free samples, it's all pre-workout. Because if they hand something else out, I mean, I guess you could take a protein and be like, oh, that tastes good, but you're not gonna feel anything. No. But pre-workout, I could take it, walk around,

come back and be like, I feel that. Let me buy a bottle of that. Give me more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's pretty much it. Beta Alainine does improve performance, but again, these are small boosts. It's not gonna come close to good diet and sleep

and all that stuff. Cortiseps, I like Cortiseps for really long, grueling workouts. I like to take Ashwaganda with a lot of caffeine or theinein with the caffeine to make it feel better, but it just feels good and it's fun, but honestly, it doesn't make... You could take...

I would love to see a comparison of groups. I don't think these exist where they take a group of men, a group of athletes that should say, and they say, okay, do the same workout, same diet, good sleep. You take a pre-workout, you don't, let's see who builds more muscle. As long as everything else is controlled, forget the creatine, because sometimes pre-workouts include creatine, that'll make you build muscle, right? But it's not the pre-workouts of creatine. So if you just did the pre-workout stuff, I'd love to see the study that shows you build

more muscle. Probably won't find one. Yeah, I don't think so. Next question is from She Shay Goes West. How do you make the most of your rest time during a workout? Send nudes, you rest. Yeah, you don't do much.

You guys ever have the clients that would challenge be challenging for rest? You know, like the rest thing, like, okay, what do I do while I'm sitting here? Yeah, oh yeah. They just super antsy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, stop. Stop, I'm gonna teach you. Nobody, I can go again, I can go do while I'm sitting here? Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, they just super antsy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, stop. Stop. No, but I can go again. I can go again. I'm fine. I can go again. I totally remember that. Trainers that feed into that that will like just make up things that they're telling them

to rest, but it's really with rubber band exercises in between. Oh, but while you're resting, you can do these exercises. Yeah, yeah. No, if you look at the whole picture of the workout and all the components within the workout, that contribute to all the results you're gonna get, the signal that sends to your body to tell it to build muscle, get stronger, burn body fat, improve mobility.

If you look at the whole picture, a big piece of that picture that contributes to that is the rest period, okay? So the rest period is not just time in between the workout, you know, time in between the sets, the stuff that does stuff. The rest period actually serves as a role in that big picture. Because if we took your workout and eliminated the rest period, so you had no rest period, your workout would not send the same signal, would not be nearly as effective.

Yeah, I like to walk around real slow, like nothing like real rigorous, but to just get blood flow and try and bring my heart rate down and really use that time to almost meditate. So I'm just focusing on, if I'm really in, and I'm doing something like a really heavy squat day where I'm just focused on, okay, how can I improve my next set? Like, I want to think about little intricate movements that, little nuance things that I was doing that I could improve, and I'm just focusing and meditating on that, and trying to block everything else out.

It's really just like the practice of being present, you know, to me is rest. It really depends if I'm training or I'm exercising. There's a big difference for me. This is like a sauce and juice thing, isn't it? Kind of. You gotta have the sauce. You gotta explain it.

There's training and then there's exercising and they're completely different. I would say right now I'm exercising, which I am not trying to make major moves to my body. If I fluctuate up or down, body fat percentage, if I get stronger a little weaker, it's not, I'm not thinking about it because I'm not really training. I'm just exercising. I'm doing things to keep me healthy and because of that, I can do other things like during

rest periods. I can respond to text messages, I can get on my DMs and answer questions for a minute or two and then go back and I'm not really focused. I'm not really stressing or trying to make moves in the gym and be completely all about my training protocol. When I'm fucking training and I'm trying to make moves, that minute and a half to two minutes, I am actually, I don't want to be thinking about anything else, but what I'm doing, like what I just, what movement I just did, how well I did it,

where my feet grounded right was my grip really good, did my hips come up too soon, did I not squeeze the right way, like I am so into the workout, and I love this too, this is. That has to be one of the best feeling. Oh, it's man when when I get in a zone like that This is why too I like the noise cancellation big headphones on my head and my music playing loud And I can't hear any any other noises in the gym and I am like tunnel vision I mean Katrina used to always trip out on this when we first started dating because she's be like I Never I would not pay attention to beautiful girls walking around me. It's like, I am all about my training right now.

And when I'm doing that, yeah, that minute and a half to two minutes is complete focus on what I'm in the middle of and what I'm doing. And I'm just engulfed in that. Then there's exercise. And that's what I'm kind of doing right now. I'm not, I just want to stay healthy.

I want to be mobile and fit and move my joints around and be strong, but I'm not tracking and measuring and making sure that I'm increasing my volume every workout. I'm starting to lose our nose intense. Right. So I think that this really matters. When you ask a question like this, like what's your rest period? You can look at what the fuck you want it to look like.

It's your rest period. Yeah, it's some people treat their workouts like when they're doing the exercise, that's the rest period from them texting on their phone. You know what I'm saying? Like while the resting, I'm texting my friend, I gotta take a break to do a set. And then they go back to texting their friend.

You're not, and you're still working out. You're exercising. You're still exercising. You're still doing your thing. That's fine, I guess. But if you want to take it to another level, there's a level of focus that you'll have and you should have in your rest period,

where you're thinking about the next set, like, okay, what I'm gonna do, how I feel, how that previous set felt. Now, here's another thing that I started doing recently. We had Paul check here a while ago and he talked about painting in between sets because it opens up the creative part of the brain. And as he was saying that, I was thinking to myself about what I tend to do sometimes in between sets.

Sometimes in between sets, I get my best ideas and I have a whole, I have at least, I don't know, a hundred pages of notes on my iPhone, of notes of ideas that I have, whether it's, I look up, I'll think of something, and I wanna look up a study, and I'll look it up in between the sets, I'll read about it, and I wanna do a post, or something I wanna bring up on the show,

or a different way of communicating a particular topic. And so sometimes what I do in between sets, I'll do my set, and then in between, I'll go into my creative space and write what I wanna write, and then I go back to my workout. And that's a very interesting feeling. It's a great feeling of aggression and focus, and then create a flow, and then I go back and forth.

And the whole time, the workout flies, and I just feel like, wow, I just did an hour workout, and I felt like five minutes. That's a great place to be too, but it's a close second. It's not as awesome as being just, like, when you're training, like you said, Adam, where you're just there, you ever go to the gym and work out with a hoodie on? Just put the headphones on, put the hood on. The hoodie over your head, and you don't give up. Like, they could fucking, people could die next to you, you didn't notice. Do you, that Paul Check painting concept makes a lot of sense?

And they have yet to try it out. Like I'd be curious to see what that feels like, you know, getting in that creative mindset right in between, you know, your aggressive state. Yeah, what I'll do is I'll go into the workout and I'll have the thing I know I wanna think about. So I'll say, okay, I wanna communicate, like how do I communicate fat intake

and how it's not necessarily about something that we've been talking about the show, but I want to find a way to really hit it home. So I'll go to the workout with the intention of thinking about that, then I'll do my set, and then in between, I'll just sit there and think, and oftentimes some of the best ideas pop up, and I don't know if it's because I'm occupying my body

or I'm pushing myself so hard, but it does open up that channel. It can be an upgrade. Yeah, my guitar in between deadlifts. You will you have your gym at home? You can totally do that. I'm going to do it. Next question is from S Norris 620. What do you do or not do when you get bored with training?

Change your goals. I'm always doing this. Sometimes too, I change my goals fast. You don't wait until you're completely bored, the one about us. You kind of wait and you kind of, I beat it. Yeah, that's what I mean.

I beat it. I know myself all enough. I know like if it's, this is where we all have some stuff in similar, we're similar, where I'm kind of, when I'm into something, I'm into something. I'm all about it.

I'm saying if I'm into swimming, I've got the goggles, I've got the headphones, I've got the cap, I'm like consistent with it. I'm- Speedos are there. Yeah, measuring, I'm tracking in my progress. Stubbing legs. I'm reading, I'm reading the book on it. I'm reading the books on it, I'm watching the fucking Ted talks on it.

I'm all about it. And then when I'm over it, I'm over it. And even, if I even start to see myself Dying off of it and what I started like for and I'm using swimming as an example because it was an example of this That I've recently gone through and people have asked me are you still swimming right now? And I'm like, yeah, I really fell off of swimming it not because I'm like a whoost and I'm inconsistent it was because I I really enjoyed the process of Teaching myself how to swim better and learn the mechanics of it and getting into it.

God, into that a lot. Like, wow, I suck at this. And I'm kind of actually naturally good, and yet I have a lot to learn and get better at. This is interesting to me. This is fun. And I was reaping some benefits from it, like as far as mobility and just in the cardio endurance, like enjoying this. Well, I was enjoying it so much

that it was cutting into my time in the lifting weights. And over a couple months there of being consistent with the swimming and not so consistent with the weight training, I started to see the physical change in my body that I didn't like. And that started to bother me a little bit. And I could have stuck with the training

and the swimming, because I've announced it on the podcast, and I told people that I'm all into it, but I don't give a fuck about that. I care about what I like and what I'm into, and instead of sticking to it, when I'm not happy and I'm not enjoying it or I'm not liking something about it,

I shifted goals. So I always encourage this when I'm coaching and teaching clients that, you know, just because your ultimate goal may be to lose 30 pounds, it's I think a really healthy practice to have all these other little small goals in between there. And they could be as simple as like an eating habit that you notice about yourself. I talk about my die coke thing. That's a goal. Like it was a goal for me first. Like it started as a, I don't wanna do this often. So let's start working towards that.

And what it does, it just keeps me fresh and it keeps me accomplishing different things and it gains momentum towards others. And you don't get so meopic about your training that it's like, oh, this is my goal so I can only do these things. I mean, it's really tough to be, you almost have to turn into the obsessive person

that eventually turns into being unhealthy to be that way. Totally. If you consider, if you look at all the factors that will contribute to having improved health and longevity, so like long-term health success. And we look at all the factors, your workout, design, the reps that you do, the time of day you work out,

all that stuff. And we prioritize them in terms of most important, most impactful all the way down to the least impactful. The single most impactful factor that will contribute to longevity and health is consistency. There is no factor that is more important than that. So a consistent dumb workout is going to give you better long-term results than a phenomenal, amazingly planned workout that you're super inconsistent with.

That's the bottom line. So whatever you need to do to keep yourself from stopping, it doesn't matter. Sure, there's better workouts than others, but just being active consistently is the most important thing. And there's so many different ways you can work out. There's so many different modalities,

so many different ways you can do resistance training, so many different classes and courses you can take. You can do things outdoors, indoors, in the water. You could lift weights or kettlebells. You could do yoga. You could work out with a stick. You could do just body weight stuff. So many different modalities and methods. You could change them every single month. You'll probably never run out for the rest of your life. Well, this is why we create all the programs that we do. Totally.

I mean, because that's the idea. Like, if you were right now in this kick of improving your performance and getting back to feeling athletic like you did when you were 20, you don't have a program. You follow maps performance like that. And you know what, if you're enjoying it and you're loving it and you're seeing progress, nothing stops you from running that a second or a third time. Well, I'll tell you what, if you want to do, if you want to have a year, you want to have a full year where you're working out and then right when shit's in a high gear, you're doing great and you're like, okay,

I think I got the hang of this, but you know, it's not as exciting. Boom, change gears to a different type of goal, a different kind of workout. And you want to do that for a whole year, the map Superbundle. Do the Superbundle and you have a workout for every, basically every quarter,

set up and ready for you and you just follow it that way. And they're very different. And they're very different. They're very, very different. But again, it's like, and now here, now there's a flip side to this. The flip side is you need to make peace with the fact that you're not going to be super hyped, motivated, and excited every time you work out. Okay. So, and the reason why it's, that's important to like understand and accept every time you work out. Okay, so, and the reason why it's that's important to like understand and accept

is because you don't wanna be these people that are constantly chasing the super high motivating type workouts because that can't last regardless and you'll end up doing, you'll end up becoming inconsistent. You'll be extremely inconsistent. You'll like, oh my God, this new class is so exciting and then now I'm burnt out

and I don't have any more motivation. That's the work out. Well, this is, it goes right back to the previous question. I mean, this is what I meant by the difference between training and exercise. And that's why we've ended up, I we've ended up being very focused on a serious goal of trying to improve or change something.

Like when I first started swimming, I was training. I wasn't just swimming for fun. I didn't get in a pool and like, leisurely go up and down. Splash your friend. Yeah, splash with my friends. Yeah. No, I with my friends. Yeah. No, I was in there.

I was tracking my laps. I was tracking my time. I was paying attention to my stroke. I was going back reading books. I was training. I was into it. It's not always going to be that way. And that's eventually going to run out.

It did. It ran out for me. The excitement of getting better and proving right out. Now I didn't just like throw away like fucking getting in shape or staying healthy with that. I just said, I changed my focus. And then right now it's more kind of exercise right now. I'm not really trying to make moves.

So be okay with the weaving in and out of, I'm hardcore motivated, I'm hardcore training right now. And then right now I'm exercising. I'm just staying healthy. I think it's the same principles, right? Like what's good for the brain is also good for the body and vice versa. And I think that you definitely get a lot of benefits to mentally by changing it up, like learning a new skill, going through a whole different journey.

You take away from that, you can also apply towards relationships, towards your job, towards whatever focuses in life that you have beyond just like your aesthetics and your health. The thing is to be able to plan for that and have that change of stimulus like ready to go so you can just keep that machine turning and have everything burning clean and optimal. Yeah, I've never been bored with lifting weights. It's something I've been consistent with since I was 14,

always, I love it, but the way I lift weights has changed and it changes so much and so often, so many lives. Your life changes. Yeah, everything, but everything changes. And that's the point, the point is be active and workout. That's more important than the type of work out you do. Of course, barring the extremes where you hurt yourself or you whatever.

It's being active, that's number one. And there's a lot of different things that you do. Have fun. Go try them all out. Next question is from Alan A. Greenery. Should macros change during a de-load week? There's an argument that you make for both, I think. You can.

You're probably, I mean, it really depends on, I mean, if you're taking a de-load week, I'm assuming that you were probably, you had a relatively high volume of training, right? Like you need the de-load week. Yeah, right. You're not like somebody who trains one time a week and you're like, I need a de-load week.

You know what I'm saying? You're probably training five days a week or more and probably a good amount of volume and the D-load week you're probably being smart and scheduling in there because you need it. So if that's the case, then it's probably safe to say too that you're probably the demand of calories that your body needs is probably significantly higher

than somebody who's not weight training every single day, right? I mean, if I'm lifting five to seven days a week and training relatively hard and pretty high volume, I'm probably consuming a solid 1500 calories a day, almost more than that, probably 1,500 more calories a day. That's all fucking lot. This is for you. Yeah, this is for me personally.

Now, that's all relative to your size and, you. Yeah, it's for me personally. Now, that's all relative to your size, and if you're training to gain and lift, whatever, whatever. But point being that, if you're gonna not replace that with another activity of movement, there's probably gonna be a dramatic change in the amount of calories that your body needs, and you wanna be careful not to probably put on a bunch of body.

Now, the argument on the other side of it would be like this is, okay, I'm going to do this deload week. The goal is to recover, allow my body to rest a little bit. I'm going to keep my calories the same to send an additional signal of speeding up its metabolism, or at least not slowing its metabolism down with higher calories and nourishing my body. Now, this won't work if you do it for two or three weeks or four weeks, then definitely change your macros.

But if it's a four day, five day D-load or a seven day D-load, I like to keep my calories the same. Yeah, that's a great point because the amount of body fat you could even put on in one week is not that much. Not if you're just keeping the calories same. You could definitely do some damage if you increase. If you D-load everything. Yeah.

Yeah, I know guys that'll do that. They'll de-load their workout. And then it also means I'm gonna eat pizza every day on top of this. It's a whole different, that's a whole different vlogger. But no, keep it the same, do your de-load. And what I find when I do this is I come back

to the gym stronger. Yeah. If I cut my calories while doing the de-load, I seem to lower the strength boosting recovery effect. It's like I wanna nourish my body, but I also wanna rest it strength boosting recovery effect. It's like, I want to nourish my body, but I also want to rest it at the same time. There's, honestly, there's probably,

there's going to be a spectrum for everybody, and there's probably a sweet spot. Somebody may be towards one side of the spectrum where they keep their calories all the way up. There'll be somebody who has to reduce it drastically, and then there's probably people that are going to land somewhere in between. You have to kind of make that judgment call,

but you bring up a great point, Sal, that I mean, even if you did keep, it was just a week. Yeah, if you keep, because you're not gonna make the difference of moving that much less to put on three to five pounds of fat in a week in one week's time, unless you did some bullshit eating

where you just also, then you also over-consuming. We should also manipulate the macro nutrients like up your fats a bit and, you know, make it a little bit more less inflammatory in terms of... Yeah, some people will say lower your carbs, stuff like that, but I keep it the same.

What I find is if I gain a pound of body fat during that de-load week with the same calories, when I go back and work out again, the extra rest, the extra strength, balances it right back out. I go right back to, and sometimes, surpass where I was before. I've even done this.

I don't know if you've, Adam, I would be curious to see a few of our experiences because you kept such meticulous records. Have you ever done a D-load week, kept your calories the same, and gotten a little leaner? Have you ever seen weird shit like that? Yeah, no.

When I was competing, that's always a key indicator that I was overreaching too much and pushing and that was more common when I was competing than it would in a normal day life. And I was like, I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. I'm not going to be able to do that. Yeah, no, I've seen that before. That's always a key indicator that I was overreaching too much and pushing, and that was more common when I was competing than it would in a normal day life.

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