Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1136: The Truth About SARMS, How to Use Cluster Sets, Staying on Track with Diet When Traveling & MORE

Episode Date: October 9, 2019

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about integrating cluster sets into MAPS, SARMS, staying healthy during long road trips, and coping mechanisms when dealing with anxiety. How genetics play a larger role than we think when it comes to our physique. Our perception of normal and how your average becomes an average of what you see. (4:35) Adam’s new deep freezer, learning the cadence of his subscriptions like Butcher Box & the difference of quality of grass-fed meat. (22:03) Mind Pump talks about food and #MindPumpKitchen. (27:08)  How Ned is the leader of full-spectrum hemp products + the launch of their new women’s line. (28:36) The guys discuss the latest Joe Rogan podcast on UFOs/aliens and share their own conspiracy theories. (33:23) Mind Pump Science Hour: Asteroids passing by the earth this week, scientists engineering bacterium that poops out huge amounts of psilocybin & MORE. (40:40) How China molds and controls its population. (44:13) #Quah question #1 – What are your thoughts on cluster sets and how would you integrate them into MAPS? (46:41)  #Quah question #2 – What are your thoughts on SARMS? (55:41) #Quah question #3 – How do you guys stay healthy during long road trips? Do you meal prep or get food on the road? (1:04:15) #Quah question #4 – Have you ever dealt with major anxiety and if so, what have been some of your best coping mechanisms? (1:15:45) People Mentioned Joe Rogan (@joerogan)  Instagram Scott Stevenson (@fortitude_training)  Instagram Ben Greenfield Fitness (@bengreenfieldfitness)  Instagram   Related Links/Products Mentioned October Promotion: MAPS Anabolic ½ off!! **Code “RED50” at checkout** Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! Visit NED for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! JRE #1361 - #1361 – Cmdr. David Fravor & Jeremy Corbell SpaceX wins NASA funds to build and test Starship’s orbital refueling technology Four Asteroids Are Buzzing Earth in Flybys Today (But Don't Worry) Scientists Engineered a Bacterium That Poops Out Huge Amounts of Psilocybin Getting a new mobile number in China will involve a facial-recognition test Mind Pump 1070: Underground Muscle Building Secrets with Dr. Scott Stevenson Bodybuilding products sold online may be mislabeled or unsafe Chemical Composition and Labeling of Substances Marketed as Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators and Sold via the Internet The Public Health Consequences of Performance-Enhancing Substances The health benefits of strong relationships

If you want to pump your body and expand your that, we answer a bunch of fitness questions. Here's the rundown. We start out by talking about Annabelle steroids and genetics. Is the reason why those amazing looking bodies on Instagram or in the magazines, is the reason why they look so awesome because it's steroids or do genetics play the biggest role?

It's steroids. Then we talked about Adam's brand new freezer in his garage so he could store all of his butcher box, grass fed meat and his wife's breast milk. It's all the same freezer. Now butcher box will deliver to your door, grass fed high quality meats at amazing prices. And right now, if you sign up up until the 15th of October,

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and they talked about UFOs and we give our opinions and theories as to what those things may be. I love alien stuff. We talk about how SpaceX got $3 million from NASA. I talked about how an asteroid is gonna fly by Earth and just miss us. I talk about how an asteroid is gonna fly by Earth and just miss us. I talked about how scientists are growing silasibin from bacteria. They're making magic mushrooms from bacteria. That's kind of crazy.

Just go get it from the poop. Then we talked about how China has more rules for their people. Yay, more control. Then we got into the fitness portion of this episode. The first fitness question, this person wants to know what cluster sets are and how you would integrate them into your workout. So cluster sets, advanced technique, a lot of people are talking about them right now. There's some benefits. We highlight all of them in that part of this episode. The next question, this person wants to know what

we think of the drugs called, Sarm's. Sarm stands for selective, androgen receptor modulator. These are drugs that are on the grain market. You can buy them online. They're promising steroid-like effects without any of the side effects. If it sounds too good to be true, it's because it is. Hmm. Side effects may exist.

I break it all down for you. The next question, this person wants to have some tips on how to stay healthy during a long road trip. And the final question, this person wants to know if you've ever dealt with anxiety and if we have any techniques or things that we do that help us out through our periods of anxiety. And also this month, our most popular maps program,

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dot com and use the code red 50 RED 50 for the discount Teacher And it's teacher time Shit, you know it's my favorite time of the week. We've got four winners this week. We got two from iTunes and two from Facebook. The iTunes winners are Yum Yum Yum 2. Chris got 0515 for Facebook, Dustin Lettered and Heather Domano.

All of your winners to collect your shirt, send an email to iTunes at minepumpmedia.com, send your shirt size, your shipping address, and reference the name I just read, and we'll get that shirt right out to you. Yeah, so I got a message from some kid talking about how steroids is the reason why you see some of these athletes and people in magazines, and why they're so big in muskets, like it's all about animal steroids. Right, and they think that that is the reason why that, I mean, I remember being this kid,

I remember being in my 20s, I'd already been a personal trainer for a few years, thinking that I know everything and that the only thing that separated me from the guys that are on the covers of men's health was steroids. I 100% believe that and I'll never forget running my first cycle and I was probably a hundred and eighty eighty something pounds low 80s and I think I bumped up to like 187 192 or something like that. Boom.

And was strong, was really, really strong, but still like lean. Yeah, but super lean didn't put on a lot of mass in the moment that I got off of it. All of it went away. If I lost the strength, I didn't have the same kind of strength. Everybody thinks it's the stuff that it's magic. No. Do you remember? It was at the first time you realized, like, wow,

genetics plays a huge role. Yeah, huge, huge role, more of a role. Biggest role. Yeah, absolutely. And I think, and you know, even, and honestly, I didn't though, you know, looking back, I'm saying yes, but you're like, I didn't take enough. Yeah, exactly.

Oh, I gotta do another cycle. Oh, I didn't take the right stuff. You know, this time I'm gonna try this stuff. Well, I only went went for eight weeks the next time I go for 12 weeks, you know, and and so you play that game Of oh, it must be this. Oh, it must be that and then and then after you've done a few rounds of it You realize like oh shit. There's a whole lot more to this than just you know Oh, if you stick a needle in your ass, you'll you'll look like you ever you ever remember the first time you met someone where you actually understood like genetics like you met someone in person you're like, whoa Yeah, this makes a big I had a I had a Porter that worked for me at one of the clubs that I ran a long time ago a long time ago

and He'd walk around and just had just these just a crazy looking physique triceps that look like Like balls on the back of his arm just just really really muscular, triceps that look like like balls on the back of his arm, just this really, really muscular dude. And when I first like sports balls. Yeah, when I first ran, ran the other balls. When I first managed that club, I saw this guy and I thought, oh, that guy's on tons of gear. But then I got to know him. First of all, he's a porter. So he, he cleaned the club in the middle of the night. So he's not making tons of money.

Then I learned, the guy lived out of his car. Then I saw what he ate, and it was like, 99 cent cheeseburgers when he could afford it, box a cereal, when he could afford it. And then I got to know the guy, and I could see it, and I saw him work out, and I realized, he's just insane genetics. Insanely strong.

That was like Jerry. Totally. Hey Taco Bell. Taco Bell twice a day. McDonald's, like just, and bring it in with the wrapper and smelling like it. I'm like, bro, and he was like a freak. You know what it is?

35 or huge. 35 years old. He looked like he was 25. Yeah. Abs year round. He's from the fountain of youth. Yeah. You know what it's like? It's like looking at someone like Stephen Hawking

or Albert Einstein and be like, you know, the only difference between that guy and me is that you just studied hard. You know, and it took some matter all. If I just studied hard, if I just studied hard it took some matter all. I'd be a brilliant astrophysicist too. Most people in the matter all probably think that.

That's actually a good analogy. It is. It's a really good analogy because I think that's we look at people that have these physics and I don't think we realize how much of that place, why, which is funny because we know that if you look at Michael Phelps in a pool, there is. Yeah, like if I just practice swimming all the time. You could eat what he eats, you could train as much

as he trained and you won't ever come close to competing with him in the pool, he was built to do that. Now that doesn't take away all of the man's hard work to get there. Because that's what makes him a gold medalist and a record holder. But even if you, let's say Michael Phelps did not have the work ethic and determination.

Let's say he was just regular dude, he went swimming every once in a while. He would be faster than anybody you know. Anybody you know, he'd still be faster. But the fact that he trained and was consistent and dedicated, that's what made him one of the winning, you know, the winning everything. Yeah, one of the winningest world champions of all time.

Well, this is part of the problem that I think it has perpetuated bad information in the fitness space is you have some of these guys and girls that are kind of genetic anomalies and they have figured out whatever it is that works for them, you know, and then now, and they've gained some sort of attention whether it be by becoming a pro and men's physique. You can follow them so you see their posts like on a daily basis, it becomes like a normal thing

to you. Yeah. And so I think, and I think they really believe in their, because nobody ever thinks that they're a genetic freak. Nobody ever thinks you don't, you rarely ever get somebody who's just like, yeah, I'm a genetic freak. They're confused like why their program doesn't work for you. Yeah.

Well, I worked for me. I hear, here's what I think, Adam. I think they do know that they're a genetic freak. I don't want to admit it because admitting that is like saying that they didn't work hard or something. Come on, if you're a genetic, listen, if you're Jake Cutler, you know, and you're 18 years old with 19 inch arms,

or you're 15 years old, and you're the buffed as dude around. You don't think he knows, like he's walking around and people are like, dude, you know, that guy's for, he knows, he just, they don't, admitting that you are a genetic anomaly. It devalues the work. It devalues all of the work and everything.

Just like saying, you're on steroids does. That's why there are people who don't want to, I don't know. I think people just, I think they believe it, dude. Maybe, maybe it makes them feel better. And it's, again, it doesn't take away from the hard work. Of course not, because it still takes incredible hard work. Yeah, when it comes to genes, this is just the way it works.

The vast majority of us are in the middle. The vast majority of us. But there's a wide gap between the middle and the worst and the middle and the best. So think about it this way. Think about genetics in terms of physical, athletic qualities, right? Think of the worst genes you could think of.

This is a person who maybe even just has trouble walking without falling. They're just completely unorganized, completely terrible balance, no coordination whatsoever. Just horrible, horrible genes on that side. That's how bad things can go. Now think of the opposite, how good and extreme they can be on the other end.

It gets pretty crazy, but it's super rare. So that's the other thing too, is you look at pictures and you watch sports and stuff on TV or you read about people, and it makes it feel like it's more common than it is. But let's use an obvious one. Let's use one that's super visible. Think about people who are over seven feet tall, right?

Super rare, in real life, people who are seven feet tall are extremely rare. Extremely rare. Think about the last time you saw someone that was seven feet tall in real life. That wasn't at a pro basketball game. Yeah, it the NBA. Yeah. So the NBA is like the Instagram of bodybuilding. Yes. Yes. I have. We all think everybody looks amazing on Instagram because you follow the you follow the top 100 bodies in in the country. Yeah. I remember a couple

bulls came into to work and it was like everybody just stopped mid track. It was like watching like giants. Yeah, walk through. Have you guys ever seen a person that was seven foot that wasn't at a pro battle? We were, we had one of our last live events was a few live events ago. Three collegiate swimmers that were six foot seven

standing. And it was the most like holy shit. And that's not even seven feet. Yeah, six seven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like not small guy. Six five and six Yeah. Six seven. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

Like, six five and six seven is out there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it just blows you away to think of that, and that's why they're called anomalies. Think same thing with intelligence. There's a middle range and you can be smarter in the middle and not as smart in the middle.

But man, there's people so far on the other end of that smart that you're like a super slow processor compared to them. You're like a Polaroid camera on their iPhone. You know what I'm saying? You can explain quantum mechanics to me. Yeah. Yeah. That's another level. Just extreme brilliant. So it exists on all levels and anabolic steroids can enhance whatever you have, but it's not gonna. You know, let me put it this way. You could put the three of us in this room on the craziest, most sophisticated,

anabolic steroid, growth hormone, insulin, every hormone and drug imaginable stack of all time. Put us on it for five years. None of us would crack the top 10 in Mr. Olympia. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? No, of course. That's how it's written. That just crushed my dreams, huh?

I was actually talking to Jessica about it this weekend because who is she looking at? She was watching someone on Instagram and it was some girl who was deadlifting 400 pounds like 15 times. Oh, I saw that video. Just broke my heart. Yeah. And she goes, ruin my day. And she goes, I thought you said I was strong.

She's telling me this. I'm like, you are strong. She's like, I thought you said I had good genetics. I said, you do have good genetics. That is something else. I said, yeah, you're not at that level. That's another, that's a whole nother level that, I don't think I've ever run into before.

And not many people have. I said, you've got, she has great genetics. She's got great muscle-building genetics, small joints, long muscle bellies But then there's another level that is just just doesn't make it does she pull her squat better Deadlift so she's yeah, she's squat. Yeah, she's pulled over to 30. I think that's good. Yeah, which is not bad Yeah, but she doesn't train like a powerlifter and like that. She trained what about your girl? She's squat or pull better She squats better. She squats better. Yeah weird. I know weird. That our priorities

Preferences, you know what a dead like yeah, I was like what's the dead left? Maybe it's on the the teaching mechanics It's that could be the husband We're not the husband factor with my Katrina squatter pull pull you know that they're pretty close Katrina's strong as fuck, man She she was a collegiate athlete. Yeah, yeah,. So she pulls 275 and she squats over 225. Wow. Yeah, that's really good. So she pulls in squats pretty well.

A lot of that was gains though that she's made since we were together. She didn't really, she didn't train like that when we, when we were first dating the first goal. So she was all circuits and stuff. Yeah, she was circuit based with weights. So never, never lifted five reps of anything and gave herself two minutes rest. Like that was unheard of in her training.

And she ran. She ran to, so for her exercise, it was running miles and it was circuit training in the gym. And when I got a hold of her training in her diet, we completely fit that. And so I watched that scale really fast. I remember watching her. I used to have a really great video on my Instagram when she pulled, I think, her first 250, I think was one of the first PRs that she hit. And she was like, she pulled it up and then just dropped it and then like, you know, she clapped. She can save you from a fire now.

That's what I told Jessica. Like, can you be strong? If there's a fire or I pass out, you can do that. Yeah, you gotta have that. Now Jessica's got the longest consistent throughout her whole body, the's a fire or I pass out. Yeah, you gotta have that. Now Jessica's got like the longest consistent throughout her whole body. The longest muscle bellies I've ever seen,

like her quads come way down here, hamstrings, her calves, her biceps, her triceps. She develops a little bit of muscle. It's like, and in small joints on top of which is rare. Typically you see long muscle bellies and big joints. She's got really, really small joints on top of it. So those are all good things for aesthetics when you're working out and trying to build muscle.

But there's a whole level of genetics out there that is extremely rare, so rare in fact, that if we didn't have social media, if we didn't have media, you'd never run into it. Like if this was like 10,000 years ago and we were still tribes, you wouldn't, you would never have seen any of these people ever. You know what I mean? You'd be walking around it, you'd be talking seen any of these people ever.

You know what I mean? You'd be walking around it, you'd be talking about the giant that someone, there was a giant village far away. It's interesting that we talk about things like this and I think these people are because of the ability to connect like we have now on social media and stuff. But because when I look at Instagram and I look at the people I follow, and I'm guilty of this too, I follow all these beautiful bodies. You know what I'm saying?

Somebody comes on my feet and strong people and super buff and fit. And so, I don't know how many, I think of like a thousand people or so or that are connected to me that I follow. And of those, probably. I follow ugly people. Just to give them, you know, little love.

Make you feel better. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, sorry. I know there's some hot ones in the mix. I'm not talking about you. You know. Everybody that just supports them. Everybody else. Yeah. But I mean, that's probably like, I'm sorry, I know there's some hot ones in the mix. I'm not talking about you. Everybody that just, everybody else.

Yeah. But I mean, that's probably like, let's say, let's just say for arguments, say 50% to 75% of the people that are maybe connected to me are like your elite fitness people. And when I think about the gym and working in the gym and looking around at all the people that worked in our gym. Which is already, by the way, a bias.

Right, a bias, because people will work their exercise. They're already carving off 80% of the population. These are people actually care and make it to the gym. And then when you look at that 20%, there's what percentage those people have, that level of a seek, one maybe person in the gym? Maybe? If you're at like a- If you go to goals, just say it. Yeah maybe person in the gym, maybe. Maybe. If you're at like a-

If you go to goals, just for a minute. Yeah, you're Venice goals, it's exception to the- Go to a health club. No way. Yeah, 24th Fitness. Go to 24th Fitness. Yeah. You're gonna stand out.

No. If you're consistent and you eat halfway decent, you're the guy or girl in that gym. You know what I'm saying? That's how rare it is. No, it's totally true, man. Like again, if it was 10,000 years ago, you wouldn't, you'd never, and you'd never,

and you'd never, and you'd never, You say so far away, say 50 years ago. Well, you had newspapers and magazines there. Yeah, but you're still in sales. You feel like I like going to 24 after a year. You feel like a hero again. You know, you just stack all the plates on here. That's why I have those memberships.

I have. That's how I feel. Oh, you go, boom. Yeah, you know, you know, if you catch me in golds or whatever like that, like I'm feeling myself, that's a graduation to get there. You know, now think about it this way, and I'll put it even looks.

Yeah, whatever. Now, put yourself in the place of, because when I was a kid, when we were kids, we were exposed to media, obviously, quite a bit, but it was mainly TV and movies, and we weren't exposed to them constantly all the time. A lot, most of the time we spent with our friends outside and hanging out.

We watched TV, but it wasn't like such a, it didn't consume us the way I think media consumes kids nowadays because of their phones. So kids are on this media so often so much, and they're on social media, and they're looking at all these faces and pretty bodies and pretty faces and accomplishments that are maybe real, maybe not be real. These Photoshop pictures of people with perfect scans like that. It's going to be an interesting,

it's got to have an interesting impact, you know, where you're kind of looking at us and you can't help but, but, and it's not a conscious comparison, It's your brain just automatically figures out the averages. And so your average becomes an average of what you see. And so you've got all these kids on media and probably thinking, wow, I'm not cool. I'm not doing a lot of awesome stuff. My skin looks bad, look at my hair. Not as pretty.

I think a lot of that too, I think that we don't realize is a lot of that subconscious. Most of it, right. No, I mean, because I'm sure there's people that are listening to like, oh, I don't realize is a lot of that subconscious. Most of it, right. It's not, I mean, because I'm sure there's people that are listening to like, oh, I don't compare myself to everybody else. It doesn't, you don't have to. You don't have to actively go like, oh, look at him.

He looks better than me. Oh, look at her. She looks better than me. You don't even have to actively do that just to your point you're making right now. The way that the brain works is it's downloading that information and it's predictive. And so it's, it's, it's,

I'm saying do you got to follow ugly people? Dude, what's your secret to say? I'm just better. Ugly people start just getting shit times the followers. I hit a hundred thousand. I highly suggest it. Yeah, I mean, a good job, EOR. Yeah.

You know, it's funny if you, on that note, Adam, if you look back in time, go and look at media pictures of what people considered buffed 50, 60, 70, 80 years ago. And what they considered buffed back in those days was, like, look at Tarzan, the movie Tarzan, I think it was in 1960 or 50 years, I'm like that. He was an Olympic swimmer.

Now, for all intents and purposes, this is a fit and healthy man. He wouldn't even be considered slightly muscular today. He wouldn't put him on a soap opera today, that same guy. You know what I'm saying? But back then, what they talked a lot about was his incredibly fit and muscular physique.

You know, there's old movies with Clint Eastwood or where they take their shirts off. And again, today you think, oh, it's a healthy looking man. You wouldn't think to yourself, buff or muscle. Whoa, yeah, like super hero. No, no, that didn't start happening until much later, Doug's gonna pull up a... Yeah, it's a lot to live up to you now.

Yeah, look at this guy. Look at that second picture, or right there, the third one right there, in his loincloth. Nobody, you know what that looks like? That looks like it's just a regular dude. It's a comparison. No, it's dad bod.

Wait, here's that, Doug. 50s, I believe. Yeah, wow. And that guy right there, the women used to comment on how incredible his physique was, and he was just an Olympic swimmer, you know? Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that is funny.

It's wild, I was figured it out. How we've changed our, and then on top of it, because you add plastic surgery and stuff like that to the mix, now the norms have changed to where, you know, boobs now, we think they look a particular way, when in reality, probably don't. Like if all media went away,

within one or two generations, boy, everybody's perception would shift so strongly. You think so? Of course, because then you would just be based off of what you see around you. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Totally.

Yeah, kind of crazy. Anyway, speaking of crazy stuff, what's up with your D-Ball breast milk? It's my new side hustle. So is that you're, you have a big deep freezer on the garage? I just got it. Is there some demand for that or what? Yeah, I think so.

Well, there's, bodybuilders are starting to drink breast milk now. I figured if you infuse it with D-Ball, I should be able to get like four, five times of market value right here. It's that nose, that good idea or what? I thought it was. So what do you have? It's just a big box. Human to man. It said no, is that a good idea or what? I thought it was. So what do you have a huge, it's just a big box.

Human to human. Yeah, so you know, and I'm curious now to see what my new Kate insists. So there's a few things in my house that I'm like trying to, this new like, everything's on auto shipped to your house thing. Like I guess maybe I'm still old guy and I'm still transitioning to get used to like, what that looks like, like my dog food, right?

So my dog food now, I get all my meats sent like that. We get like all of our house supply stuff. You know, I'm trying to learn the cadence. I don't know if you guys do this or not. Yeah, you're on a staggerance of hits. That's perfect. Yeah, and one of the problems I was having with butcher box was originally I set it up to where it was one time a month

and that was too much, too fast. I have too small of a freezer. I have one of those little, the double door ones and the skinniest. And so before long, especially when we were getting the dead body freezer, I got a big one. So that, and I had a smoothie box coming. So I had smoothie box at butcher box. I have them there and that was filling my freezer up like within two or three months.

I was like, okay, so I had to back off the cadence. was filling my freezer up like within two or three months. I was like, okay, so I had to back off the cadence. So I backed all the way off to every three months. It was just cool about butcher box. You have that ability to change the cadence. And so then I went to three months, and then I found myself going to the grocery store and buying more meat because we would run out of whatever we would normally be cooking. So I think now having a backup big freezer like that, I can get back to like the one a month

cadence and then if it starts to store up for a while, then I'm probably going to be pretty. I like the deep freezer because you can throw all your meat in there, not worry about it. It saves you so much money, you've got your grat because then grat, where do you get your grass fat if you don't go to go to go to Whole Foods to go buy expensive as hell? I don't. The only place I get it now is through butcher bucks. The way I look at it is this, right? So, yeah, because I think we've talked about this

before, that you cannot compare a grass-fed piece of steak to a grain-fed fatty marbly steak. So, the mistake that I think some people make, they hear grass-fed, I hear grass-fed, I hear grass-fed, and then they go have grass-fed, they're like, oh, gross, grass-fed doesn't taste anywhere near as good. Well, that's because it's nowhere hear grass fed, and then they go have grass fed, they're like, oh gross, grass fed doesn't taste anywhere near. It's good, well that's because it's nowhere near as marbling fat, it's not, it's a lot healthier for you than it normally say. And I think that butcher box is the closest I've ever tasted

to like what a grain fed piece of steak tastes like. And so what I do, and I, but I still enjoy getting those marbling fat steaks that are, you know, that I know that are not ideal. So the way I look at it is like, I'm the food that I prepare at my house will always be through the grass-fed butcher-buck stuff. And then when I go out for a restaurant,

like we had Willard Hicks just recently, and I doubt they're using grass-fed steak for those cuts. Oh, it's a tasty. Right, I'll enjoy it. Yeah, no, I just love, like, I was thinking about this the other day too, of like opening the fridge, and I just, I just love, like I was thinking about this the other day too, of like opening the fridge and I just, the overall quality of what I have in there is like so much better

between butcher box, like covering all the meats. And then I have like the CSA for all the fresh produce, like coming on a monthly, a couple, like it's every other week, I think is when we pick it up. The CSA. The CSA. And then we have, you know have eggs from the chickens outside. And I mean, the only thing left is condiments. So we gotta get a condiment sponsorship.

That's about it. Yeah, that's great, man. Yeah, it's awesome. No, the way I look at it is, because I eat a lot of meat. I eat red meat. I mean, if I'm honest, I read me five, six days a week, if you're gonna eat that much red meat, it makes sense

to go for high quality, it's just a lot. And I notice a change, I notice a change in my inflammation, in my body. If you're gonna need steak, red meat once a week or less, doesn't make a difference, I mean, over time, over years, sure, but probably not that big of a difference. But if you're gonna have a lot of red meat like I do, I'm going with the quality,

and I notice a difference in information. I eat red meat daily. Yeah, daily, at least once a day. Yeah, I'd say once a week or twice a week I'll have chicken or maybe fish, but it's almost always some kind of red meat. I mean, I'm eating chicken, chicken and fish and bison and I'm rotating in turkey, all that that in there but that's one meal.

Yeah, that's one meal. That's the other meal with that red meat is 100% Have you guys done the brisket from butcher box? They don't always have it. Yeah. So I've done that. So remember I told you guys I've done that. Yeah, I told you how you prepare that thing right? Yeah. White cricket real hard. We crockpot it. So we do it the same way we do the I'm gonna do that next the pork shoulder. Okay. So I've done the pork shoulder and the brisket. So what do you do? You just put it in the crock pot with some water and some kind of cut up stuff?

Yeah, I think I can't remember what Katrina does for each one, but she has like a little bit of our different recipe for the pork shoulder versus the brisket. I think she chopped up some celery and one of them. I mean, did some of their stuff like, but yeah, no, just the meat falls apart. And then I just put it over like a bed of white rice. That's great.

Oh, so good. Last night we ate over my mom's house. And my mom, whenever we eat there, she'll make, because my daughter loves my mom's homemade pesto. So my mom has the leaves. What are the leaves you use for pesto? What is that? Basil, thank you, Doug.

She grows basil. She'll make it fresh. And I never eat pasta pasta or I do occasionally, but pasta can bother me sometimes. But I've been feeling pretty good. So my mom's like, can you eat pasta? And I said, yeah, I think my gut health's been feeling pretty good.

Let's do this. Man, I go there and she makes that pesto and I swear to God, dude, it's like, I don't know if she sprinkles drugs in there or what. I ate a bowl of that and I'm like, let's fucking do this. I had two bowls of that and then my dad made lamb and he breaded that and grilled that thing.

Shit ton of lamb, possible. I'm excited for my workout today because I feel like I ate a shit ton of it. I'll store it up. Yeah, I'm like, I'm ready to rock and roll, man. But you guys ever have homemade pesto? One time, yeah, that's amazing. It's fucking life changing.

Do you have something or what? It's life changing. No, you should bring some in. Yeah, as you changing. Do you have something? It's life changing. No, you should bring some in. Yeah, as you say. You got to eat it there. I think you didn't when she makes it. I feel like the deal if we talk about food on the show,

like the other guys have to bring it in at least. Well, I don't know, maybe. I want to make the recipe. I want to make the recipe that Rachel just posted on Instagram. By the way, I don't know if people know that now or not. We talked about it on the show or not. The amp home kitchen. Yeah.

So once a week, we have a recipe that goes up there, it has everything, breakdown, how exactly how you prepare it. So awesome. Yeah, no. I wonder, the last one he just did, I wanna try and make. Speaking of Rachel, she's been using the new Ned product,

but hasn't been using it long enough for us to really get her opinion on it. But I looked it up, so you guys saw what we got from them, right? Yeah, no explaining. I know we, so we stole it from them. What I'm, yeah, I opened it up. I looked at it, but just briefly, and I handed to you because I wanted you to kind of give your feedback

on the research, because I've never been a big fan of CBD infused in a bunch of different products. But this isn't just that it's actually specific to us. Women's cycle. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so they made, they made, there's bunch of different products. But this isn't just that it's actually specific to its women's cycle. That's correct. Yeah, so they made, there's a few different products. They made specifically for women. So this is Ned, for the listeners who don't know,

Ned makes full spectrum hemp oil extract, which also contains CBD, but then also has all the other cannabinoids, CBC, CBG for example. And we've talked many many times about the potential uses of those types of things, but anyways, these products are specifically geared towards women. So one of them is a hormone balance blend oil.

Now in this product, you do have the hemp extract. So you do have that. But then you also have milky oats and oat straw, red clover blossom, dandelion leaf, lemon balm, black seed oil. All of these things have been shown and been used for many, for a long time to help women with the hormones, or at least the symptoms of things like PMS and their cycle. Then they have one that's called period ease.

So this one sounds like it's more of a, to help with pain, like cramps and whatnot. And the ingredients in this, again, really good. There's black cojosh, Valerian root, which is a relaxing herb, cardamom, cinnamon, and then of ginger, and then of course you have the full spectrum, hemp oil. So I look through them and the ingredients are legit. These are oils that people have used for a long time

to help treat hormone imbalances and to treat the symptoms of your period. So we'll see what she says. Now what do you think about, so I know one of them is actually topical too. But two that I just rattled off are not topical. Those are the tinged oils. Those are oils that you take,

and just like the other, the other, the oil. They do have topical, also hemp oil extract products for women that you rub on parts of your body to help with pain. I need to do more research and learn more about how topicals work, because I don't know how cannabinoids work

when placed on the skin. I know how they work when they're ingested, but I don't know enough about how they're put on the skin, but so I don't have much to give you guys in terms of that. Yeah, I'm curious to get you. But I mean, up until now, Ned has been the leader in their quality. They've been phenomenal. And women have used cannabinoids now for issues with PMS and they're period for a long time.

It's actually, if I'm not mistaken, one of the number one reasons why women were getting cannabis prescriptions in California in the first place was PMS. Now, I don't know if that's because they were using it for PMS or because in California, you can put whatever you want and they thought that would be an easy one. Yeah. You know? But I have read studies on cannabinoids and cramping. Using it for PMS or because in California you can put whatever you want and they thought that would be an easy one. You know?

But I have read studies on cannabinoids and cramping and some studies show that it may actually help. So and anecdotally speaking, I've known lots of women who said it helps them, you know, tons. And I'm talking about the women who use the non-psychoactive versions too. So not THC but but rather hemp-based. Yeah, hemp-based kind of cannabinoids. Now, they just launched this product line, right?

Brand new. Brand new. So, it's live, it's going, it's almost like. Now, if you're here's where I would lean, if you're somebody who wants to use hemp oil because of its anti-anxiety, you know, enzyaledic type of effects, and you're a woman and your anxiety hits you right around when you're right around the week or before your period,

then you may be better off getting this product than just their hemp oil extract. Because that means your anxiety may be tied more towards your cycle, in which case, this product may be better than just the pure hemp oil. Well, so far, that's the anecdotes that I've heard even from my wife. It's mainly been super effective for anxiety

to help mitigate those symptoms. But in terms of pain, I haven't had a lot of, people telling me that, that was as effective. We'll see. Well, the studies on cannabinoids and that was as effective. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. Well, the studies on cannabinoids and pain show that they work really well with pain medication. So people who take opiates will reduce their opiate amount and then take cannabinoids and then they get the same kind of effect.

So it may be a synergistic thing with it. That's a lot of rags. Who knows? Who knows? Hey, who was on the Joe Rogan's podcast just recently? Oh, dude. Did you hear it? No. I was on the Joe Rogan's podcast just received? Dude, did you hear it? No, I was actually listening to it all the way. Or you a faux stuff is what I heard.

Yes, this was a... I could have get the guy's name, let me see. Yeah, get that right. That was today's. That was a naval officer that was, I guess, Commander David and Praver. So this is a Navy commander who, do you guys remember the New York?

I want to say the New York Post might have been or the New York Times did an article on how a Navy pilot saw a UFO and they recorded it. Yes, I remember it now that they brought that up in the episode. I was like, I do remember that coming in the news for a minute. Yeah, I was interesting because he flies flies those hornets and the super hornet and the super fast planes. And they do simulations where they have one squad is fighting the other squad, ones acting like the enemies. And so they do drills like that and stuff.

And so this actually happened when he saw DFO was when they were running one of these active drills. Well, here's the crazy thing. So first off, this guy's a commander. He's got 20 years experience. He's flying $70 million machines. So, you know, US government isn't gonna put an idiot or somebody with psychiatric problems, whatever.

In the talker space engineers. Yeah, so like most people are, yeah, that are pilots at that level. Very credible. Very credible. This guy's operating extremely expensive machinery and then he's in charge of a lot of other pilots. So he's like up there and he's talking about it,

but it's not just that. They also had recordings of it because the guy that was in his plane with them is tracking it with their tracking equipment and these hornets and these some of these planes is extremely advanced tracking equipment. So it'll have regular cameras, it'll have infrared cameras, it'll have radar.

And so they were tracking this thing. And this thing, which was about 40 feet long, so he says about the size of a jet, it dropped from 80,000 feet, which is like space, like you can see the curvature of the earth. From there, all the way down to 20,000 feet within like a couple seconds, they're like,

what the hell's going on? Then they catch on the camera, it's jamming the radar, which by the way is an active war. So I don't know if you guys knew that. If you jam radar, that's considered an active war. So jamming the radar. So they're tracking it now with cameras and infrared. And this thing is moving,

like as if physics doesn't exist, or air and gravity. You know, propeller, like any kind of, because he's hovering close to the water and it's not affecting any of the water. Did you guys see the video? Yeah, you guys see the video.

Tell you to pull that video, I'm gonna see this video. Here, this is my, what are your thoughts on it? Well, so hold on, I'll tell you the whole thing. Well, yeah, keep going. So this thing can move left, right, forward, what are your thoughts on it? Well, so hold on, I'll tell you the whole thing. Yeah, keep going. So this thing can move left, right, forward, back, they're following a fall, and then it just takes off. And he says it took off so fast,

he goes, there's no, there's no plane on earth that would even come close to that speed. He wasn't the only one that caught it. Other pilots caught it too, and they all caught it on camera. And it's officially, the US government officially released it and said, we don't know what the hell that is. And oh, by the way, other pilots have caught video of these things.

In 2015, there was a whole nother siding. It were different objects out. I guess it was like more of a sphere, like a square, like a cube in the middle of it. They're covering. Yeah. And like they didn't know what the hell those things were. Yeah, so it's, yeah. And they're now openly talking about it. Like we didn't know what the hell those things were. Yeah, so it's, yeah.

And they're now openly talking about it like, we don't know what the fuck this is and what's going on. So anyway, what's your theory? Well, I just think that there's, there could be holograms. No, well, maybe whatever it is though, like I think it's less likely aliens and more likely that we have some secret operations

and technology that's far beyond 99.9% of the regular populations belief of what we can and can't do. You've got to think there's got to be the people that think that they're top secret and they're getting all the information. There's got to be another group on top of that group, or there's the highest level of secrecy that we have. I think that's always been the game. top of that group or there's the highest level of secrecy that we have. I think that's always been the game in different countries.

They always want the latest technology. You know, they want to advance it and like keep it under their wraps because then that's that's how you control power. Well, that's way more plausible than aliens visiting us. So I would agree Adam, I would say that that would be the one that put my money on. I mean, look, and maybe not even ours. Maybe it put my money on. I mean, look, maybe not even ours. Maybe it's not. Well, I mean, you'd be like a German.

So you have somebody else. I think it's ours. I think it's ours. I think if we saw it and it wasn't ours, we wouldn't say anything. Right. If we saw it, what it ours? We wouldn't say shit to anybody.

So here's two reasons why I think that's true. One, when we went into Iraq the first time, that's the first time the world saw stealth bombers. That fucking technology that invented. It was invented way before. Way, way, long. And that was us just flexing on everybody and saying, okay, here's.

Oh yeah, just look at the patents, how far they go back for some technology that you think is like VR even. I think I've never seen this, like how far they thought of VR. It was insane. It was almost like 1920 or something like ridiculous like that. Like no way.

And then you go back and look at the records of the patented. It was all drawn up, like somebody's wearing a device over their face and like that's projecting images. Now here's the other reason why I think that's a totally plausible theory is that you guys know Area 51, right? You guys have all heard of that and how there was this alien spacecraft that crashed there and they had aliens and they're hiding It's what's going on over there. Well, that's where the US government

was designing the top secret plane the was it called the SR something Blackbird the one plane that flies like three mock three Yeah, and what they do is they do what's called, they're trying to send out counter information, fake information to get everybody off the trail. So they are the ones that created the alien story to get people, because people are going to see that there's a fucking base there. They don't want anybody knowing that they're testing top secret jet. So they come out, they put out this fake information.

So here's what I think, I think that this is our technology and we're flying it around our own pilots to see how they react, see what our equipment can do. We're flaunting. Without letting them know. Without letting them know. I always want to know the motivation of why bring it more visibly out now. You know, like what's in the works in terms of like, and why are we so concerned about getting to the moon and getting to space and like all these programs, you know, privatized programs now? Wasn't there a recent article about SpaceX getting a bunch of money to go to the moon? Yeah, yeah, 3 million. Well, the part of what made that news is that NASA and SpaceX supposedly have been at wars with each other

and not fans of each other, but yet they're funding $3 million towards the SpaceX project. And that's kind of like the race to get to the moon, to get from the moon to the moon to Mars. Now what if, here's my other, here's a good movie theory for you, Justin. What if at some point we design artificial intelligence,

it fucking takes over the world, It kills us all. It creates time machines and then it goes back in time and now it's watching us through their own creations. They're on lens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because they're our future people. That's probably going to be a way of we're still biological though. Those are few. They're just watching us. So you got to sci-fi route. Yeah. Speaking of science, did you guys know that I I think it's this week, an asteroid is gonna fly closer to Earth than the moon. What?

This week, and it's about the size of a building. It's a little scary. Yeah, yeah, NASA literally just saw it. And they're like, oh, by the way, this week. Don't panic. When are we gonna be able to see it? It's gonna do a little, I don't know if we're gonna be able to. Slyby, like a flyby, like noise.

I read an article and it's gonna fly to, closer earth than the moon. And it's the size of a building, but it's not gonna hit us. Is it gonna hit the moon? No, I don't think so. Oh, that was suck. Right, can you imagine? No.

Sky is falling. No, that's crazy. No, not at all. It's scary. Anyway, more science, get some cool science stuff for you. Scientists have created, they've artificially engineered bacteria that eat food and then poop and create psilocybin. What? Yeah. Hold on a second.

I'm processing that. Yeah. So bacteria that's going to poop and make us... Scyiatric mushrooms? Yes. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah. So one of the problems with, because we have studies now that's really a cartoon. No, one of the problems with cytosybin is growing it, growing it, making it, producing it in mass, especially if we're gonna use it to treat mental illness.

Is that really a problem? Yeah, it's from the calcium, and you just throw it in it anywhere. Yeah, but this process here, so they took a popular bacteria E. coli They engineered it and now it makes silasibin When they feed it through the fermentation process so

This is a very easy fast way to produce Silasibin if we need it for mass production. So you just need a big poop factory. Yeah, yeah harvest all that Isn't that kind of cool? That is cool But I didn't know we had a problem with growing mushrooms like that, whatever, like I feel like mushroom farms would be really easy. I do too, but apparently this is easier. Oh, even easier. Yeah, this is easier and faster. Okay. Or maybe they're just trying to find ways of patenting it. Oh, you fuckers. It could be that. It's probably more likely. That's a good sellout of medicine. Did I tell you guys about the,

you know, the cotton candy grapes? They have either one of you guys tried them yet? No, no, dude. You said you're gonna bring them in, but I did get grape it in medicine. Did I tell you guys about the cotton candy grapes? Do you have either one of you guys tried them yet? No, no dude. You said you're gonna bring them in. But I did get grape flavored cotton candy. Chokey, have you had them? Okay, Doug, if you had them? I have bubblegum. I got some this weekend.

How do you like them? They're great. They taste just like cotton candy, huh? They do. Isn't that amazing? They're great. So I'm a dork, right? I have something like that.

I'm so curious to like how this happens and like, you know, where do a dork, right? I have something like that. I'm like so curious to like how this happens and like, you know, where do these grapes come from, whatever. So a grape head sex with cotton candy. So I, obviously, not what happened actually. So what, it's a farm in Florida, okay? And this is only since 1996, so they haven't been around that long.

They have the patent on it. So how do you patent? 20 years. Grapes, yeah, 20 years. But I mean, that's been around that long. They have the patent on it. So how do you patent? 20 years. Grapes, yeah, 20 years. But I mean, that's relatively not that long as far as long as grapes have been around, right? So they patent it. They went through over a thousand different genetics crossbreeding

until they got this perfect cross. Oh, that's right, you told us this. Yes. And then they patented that. So they own the right to to breeding those those two strains to make That could that grape and they're based out of Florida, which is probably why we only see them Grace are our grocery store. They're expensive. They are of course ten or twelve dollars really Yeah, I'm gonna go buy some today

Where you guys just say any grocery store? No whole whole foods. Oh really if they're still around I'm gonna go buy some today. Where you guys just said any groceries? No, whole foods. Oh really? If they're still around. I'm gonna go get some. Yeah, we bought like 10 bags and frozen. So I can, and they're great frozen. They're such a great treat frozen. Did you guys hear China, what they're doing, they pass some more rules for their people, you know, because they can roll everything.

Oh man, yeah. If you want internet access, you have to pass a facial recognition software test now. So, now, if you want to go the internet, you have to show your face and it has to do, you know, facial recognition, and then if you're allowed to go online. So, what's... Now, what is there... Now, what is there reason for that?

Not what you think and their speculation, all the fucking scary reasons. Because they want only the people who can't... Who should use the internet, that way, bad people don't use it and it's all bro, it's all. It's another way they can put them under their thumb. It's all social molding and control bro. They're taking social control. Try to take their billions of people

and just mold them in control of them. Turn all of them into robots. Oh, crazy. It's just, see, every science fiction movie ever has warns about that kind of shit. Oh, I'm scared this shit. Crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. And you see the protests in Hong Kong over China? No. Boy, boy, oh boy, man, huge protests over there because they don't want to be controlled. Everybody's wearing masks. They don't want the facial recognition technology to pick them up.

Really? Yeah, dude. Now, is that what this big trend is of wearing wearing the mask that's old that started before okay as an assay that's I feel like that's becoming more popular I'm seeing that around now here and I'm seeing more and more people do that with like like the bird flu thing or yeah yeah but now they're making them like stylish and show where they like skulls on them and like it's like a and you see some fucking hip hop artists rocking them.

Really? Yeah, yeah, I know this, I gotta look it up. I gotta see where, I gotta, I didn't know why though. Like, I don't understand what the deal is with them and what the reason why. That's been around for a long time. I actually looked it up a long time ago and I believe Japan started it, no joke,

but they would do it as it, for politeness. So if you're coughing, so you don't cough on people, so they were these masks. Yeah, I mean, like I appreciate that on the plane and everything. If people have those, I'm like, oh, good. Yeah. I don't get to breathe their germs. Yep, exactly. This quads brought to you by Organify. For those days, you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition. Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested, certified, organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge.

Try Organify Totally Risk-Free for 60 days by going to Organify.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MindPump for 20% off at checkout. Alright, our first question is from Pat Nori. What are your thoughts on cluster sets and how would you integrate them into maps? You've been doing these, huh? I have. So I tried doing these Friday and my Friday workout

and I don't know if I did them right. So let me know what you think. So I did, I picked a weight that I could do max. 12 reps. No, okay, so I did something I could do like eight reps. So maybe I want a little too heavy. Yeah, that's a little heavy. You want something you could do probably, well, so I did something I could do like eight reps. So maybe I want a little too heavy. Yeah, it's a little That's a little heavy you want something you could do probably well eight to 12 Okay, yeah, you want something you can do eight to 12 reps. Okay, so then what I did is I would do like four or five reps and I'd rest

20 to 30 seconds, but I think the rest was too long shorter. Yeah, okay, so what do you do 15 second? So first of all I Don't and I know I'll get DM I'll get somebody telling me what the original, you know, origin of the cluster. Right, of the cluster set, but when I looked it up, so first of all, I'd seen them a long time ago and talked about them before. In fact, I remember kind of integrating them into my workouts way back when when we interviewed and hung out with Scott Stevenson who swears by him and loves him, is what made me go, oh, you know what?

It's been a long time since I've fucked around with cluster sets and since him, I've been intermittently dropping them into my workouts on a pretty fairly regular basis and I absolutely love them. Now, what I did after talking to him and the protocol he talks about on the show, I went and just kind of started researching

and googling and looking up myself. And there's a billion different ways on like exactly what you do. Now, the idea though is that, okay, so let's say you pick a way that you would normally do four or five sets at eight reps. So track the think of the volume on that. So you could factor in whatever that way weight is, you know, eight sets for, I mean, excuse me, five sets, eight reps. Forty sets. Yeah, right. And what's like, right, total, total reps is X amount, whatever

weight is X amount, that's your volume. When you cluster it, what ends up happening is you end up doing like 10 or 12 sets in an even shorter amount of time. And so you accomplish a significant amount more volume. And in such a shorter period of time than you would over five sets. Okay, so walk us through how you would do this. So what I do is I pick a weight that I can do eight to 12 reps. So let's just say bicep curls

is an easy one to teach and explain to people. So I pick a weight that for me, I think for bicep curls like that, it's probably like 60 to 80 pounds somewhere in there. Okay. Okay. And, but I only do four reps. So you go four, stop.

Stop, rest 15 seconds, pick it back up four more. Okay. Rest 15 seconds, pick it back up four more. And when it ends up happening, and how long do you do that for? I go till failure. So you keep going until you can do four. Right. Or till four breaks down. Right, that's what I mean. failure. So you keep going until you can't do four. Right.

Or till form breaks down. Right, that's what I mean. So until you can't do four with good form. Right. And what I kind of find out, or what I found out is, or come to the conclusion that, I get about, you know, that same weight that I would do five sets of eight to 12 reps,

I end up getting like 10 sets out. So you do 10 sets, 40 reps, or excuse me, four reps each time, right? Yeah, well I don't do this. I don't count sets. I go until I keep going, keep going. I keep going. Yeah, I go by feel, till I can,

but I keep tracking my head mentally, like, oh, that was the seven set. Oh, that's the eight. That's, oh, now I'm starting to fatigue. So it's a long ass set. Yeah. And you do 15 seconds in between. Pure volume focus.

Yes. And there's 15 second rest. Yeah. Now at the end of that, because of, because you've done, because that sounds exhausting. It sounds awesome. It's how I like to finish a muscle.

Yeah, I'm gonna try that out. I was just gonna say, would you then do, let's say you were supposed to do three sets of an exercise. Is that all considered one set or are you done? Well, I think you're done. Yeah. So I typically would do something,

like I would like start my workout and do something and I like to finish with a cluster set like that Because it only takes you it doesn't take you very long because the short rest periods But you end up getting a ton of volume in a very short period of time I so I did some I did something similar than than that But I did a little longer rest. I did like 25 second 30 second rest, but I did something similar I got a insane pump. Yeah, no, so I got I. Same pump. I've got an insane pump from it too. That's why I like it.

Okay, so I think I'm gonna start messing around with them a little bit and commenting. Now, from what I've seen, there was one study that was done on them and the study showed that it was slightly more effective than straight sets. Now, here's where the caveat comes. Like all studies, it's a short period of time. Right, so if you do the cluster sets all the fucking time,

probably gonna lose its value. Right. Yeah. So that's why I like to intermittently throw it in there. And I do recommend people utilize it. I mean, especially if you guys all end up using it and falling over that, I wouldn't be surprised if it works this way into another maps program as something it's something you could totally include now. Like I would just take and personally, I think it,

I've done it almost everything now. I find it most valuable in a single joint exercises. Doing it with chess kinda worked. It was cool, I did a cluster set with bench press. It was all right, but I really like it for arms, so buys and tries. Shoulders were pretty solid too. I liked it for shoulders, not as big of a,

not as, even though it's cool, not as big of a fan for chest and back in legs. But is it just because it's just gross motor movement? You're using too many muscles. You feel like you got too tired doing it? Yeah, I felt like I couldn't get as many, like bicep curls, man. I felt like I could get set after set after set after set where bench like after I did bench

You know with a weight that is hard for me to do eight to ten reps about that third or four set I was already like form was about to break down So I wasn't able to to prolong so my hunch with this with cluster sets is it's more of an advanced technique Something reserved for people who've been working out a little while, understand their body. Anything that's kind of drive you a little bit towards the failure end of it, I would say. That's probably a little more on the advanced side,

the intermediate to advanced. Now the other benefit is you could do, there's bar speed is probably better. So when you're doing a set of 12 to, momentary failure or whatever, your bar speed is really slowing down after rep number eight, but if you're doing four, momentary failure or whatever. Your bar speed is really slowing down after rep number eight, but if you're doing four, rest, four, rest.

I think that's why it's appealing. And, you know, like I'd like doing just like few reps and like really, you know, concentrating on, the mechanics of that. It does allow like the fatigue isn't really as, you know, prevalent, but this, this will definitely, like how do you feel towards towards your ninth and tenth set? Oh, your pump is crazy.

Yeah, you get a massive pump from it. You feel great. So as an advanced technique, this sounds pretty awesome. Yeah, I mean, here's a thing. This isn't like somebody out there that's pushing it and selling it as the end all be all. It's not, I mean, it's another tool in your tool belt. It's a's not, I mean, it's another tool in your tool belt. It's a great interruptor.

Yeah, it's another tool in your tool belt. It's a cool thing to intermittently do that. My suggestion to somebody trying it out is try it with a single joint exercise, try it with a basic exercise like bicep curls or tricep push downs or something that's pretty easy to adjust the weight and move real quick and you're not, it's not a compound,

there's not a lot of high risk, you're not loading it's not a comp, there's not a lot of high risk, you're not loading it on your back or, you know, barbell pressing something like, start with something like that, pay attention to how you feel, I think it's a cool little tool. Yeah, and you have to be really cognizant. This is another reason why,

so it's two reasons why I would think it's for advanced trainees. One is the intensity involved. A cluster set, it's probably gonna be too much intensity for the average person, I'll just kinda tip you over. Yeah, if you're just getting started like in your maps and a blog program, like this doesn't, it doesn't help you.

No, it's not gonna help you. If anything, it'll hurt you. The second reason why I think this is more for advanced trainees is you have to understand, you have to be cognizant of the subtle changes in your form. So, like, for me, for example, if I'm squatting or benching or rowing or deadlifting, I can tell when my form is two degrees off of my form.

No, this is a very good point because my definition of failure is very different from I think the average person that thinks what failure is like. I can do another one. I can do another one. Yeah, you can, but not with anywhere near the form. My failure normally means I can still squeeze out three more reps, you know, but they're out gonna be ugly. I'm gonna use body English, I'm gonna use momentum.

My form is going to break down. But so for me, like when I go to failure, it's till the form. As soon as my form breaks. And you have to know your form really well. Yeah. To know that the average person who's not advanced, they don't know when their form is really starting to break down

until it's really broken down. Right. At which point the risk of injury is now astronomical. Yeah, and not even if it's, even if it's not like you're doing best girls, it's not astronomical. The risk versus reward is just isn't there. It's just like, it's like it's not like you're doing best girls, it's not astronomical. The risk versus reward is just isn't there. It's just like, it's like it's a high risk

and is it really that, are you really getting that much more bang for your buck to squeeze out those two last shitty wraps? No, it's just not. You're not gonna get major gains from that so why risk it? Why do it? Next question is from LA Penman.

What are your thoughts on Sarms? Sarms, you know, we're actually- Just keeps coming up. Yeah, we get a lot of questions on this. And more so recently, recently we've seen a lot of these Sarm questions. And I think it's because these gray market companies, these gray market pharmaceutical companies

are making pushes now with advertising. And you're hearing podcasters and body hackers and bio hackers that using charms are great or whatever. So let me give you a little rundown first of what charms are and then we can talk about whether or not they're even worth messing with. So charms, charms stands for selective androgen receptor modulator. So, Sarms are like a selective estrogen receptor modulators or what have been we've had for a long time, like Novodex. This is a drug that is prescribed to women after having breast cancer or certain types of

breast cancers to block the estrogen receptor and potentially reduce the risk of estrogen-sensitive cancers from running out of control or whatever. And so what they did was, so arms, which attached to the angiogen receptor, the goal was to develop drugs that will attach to the angiogen receptor, get it to express its anabolic qualities, muscle-building, protissue qualities protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, protein, is, okay, we know that giving people testosterone, for example, when they have cancer or HIV or other types of illness can help many times because it prevents muscle

wasting or muscle loss. We also know that as people age, they start to lose muscle and bone and so they're like, okay, we could give them testosterone, but testosterone has its own side effects. What if we developed a drug that provided the benefits of testosterone minus all of the side effects? So that was the goal with SARMS, and they developed these chemicals. Now here's a thing with SARMS. They are nowhere near being approved.

I don't know, most of them are in first phase trials. We don't know 100% what the side effects are, how they work in the body, but because they're not listed or scheduled as a schedule drug like testosterone is, there's this gray area where they can sell them online, sell them as research chemicals, and you can buy them and then just take them yourself.

So because you can buy them online, they've become the next, hey, take this cool thing, it works like steroids. So now people think that that's a safer option because it's not like scheduled. Yeah, no, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't mess with these at all. Now, I didn't realize that they're that similar to like Novodex.

And we're similar in the sense that they, that they're designed to attach to a receptor, but Novodex attaches to the estrogen receptor. This attaches to the angrogen receptor. So what makes you think that it's, it's not going to end up being as good or as effective as a drug like Novodex and as. So Novodex's goal is to block the estrogen receptor and act to activate it. It's basically designed to park itself in that receptor and block it so that estrogen can't do anything to it.

Now, we know Novodex has been around long enough to know that you take Novodex and it still will cause some estrogenic side effects, not like estrogen, but much weaker. These drugs are designed to activate the adrogene receptor. It's also a different receptor, and it's also a different drug. So just because it's a androgen receptor modulator doesn't mean that it's anything like Novodex at all.

For example, I could create an opiate that's still in the class of opiates but it would kill you versus other opiates which which you can take like you know like like it in or whatever. So I can make a cannabinoid. In fact, they've done this with cannabinoids. Some companies have tried to make synthetic cannabinoids that will you know skirt around the law and get you high. And those cannabinoids, some of them have caused people to go crazy, some of them to kill people. Horrible results of those. Right, so just because it's in the same, it attaches to the same receptor, or it's in the same kind of class or category, doesn't make it safe whatsoever.

It could have very, very dangerous effects potentially. So with storms, we don't know. We don't fucking know what they do. We have a lot of anecdotes. And then the people that are using them are using doses that are not being used in the studies. And some of these studies are coming back and showing potential liver cancer, potential issues with the kidneys and animal studies. A lot of these are animal studies. We don't even know what they do to humans. So this is

an area I wouldn't fuck with. I wouldn't mess with this. I mean, if you want to take a drug that attaches to your androgen receptor to get, give you steroid-like effects, take steroids. And I'm not saying that lightly. Antibolic steroids have been around for a long time, and we know what they do and what they don't do. With SARMS, we don't know.

There was a study that came out recently that analyzed 44 online products. Here's another reason why I wouldn't mess with them. 44 online products that advertised saying that they had SARMS. They, okay, let's see what they actually have in them. Half of them contained an actual SARM. So the other half had who knows.

Yeah, what was in it? 10% contained nothing at all. 10% just for just oil or whatever. Yeah. 40% so almost half had other hormones and unapproved drugs. So almost half of them contained maybe hormones or things that you don't even try and take.

And you're like, oh, this really works. Well, yeah, because it contains deball. So I just say, so it sounds like real similar to that. Like pro hormones. So good old supplement Well, yeah, because it contains deball. So I just say, so it sounds like real somewhere to like pro hormones. They're good old supplement hustle, which is because it's gray market, because it's not regulated, you have the, and you can market and create whatever

storm you want. Pixie dust, like real hormones and shit in there. So people actually feel, yeah, cause they feel it or see a difference and then sell the shit out of it. Well, listen to this one. They found several of them, this is from the same study. Several contained a drug that was abandoned by GlaxoSmithCline a decade ago after it was

found to cause cancer and animals. Oh my goodness. Yeah. And this is what a lot of these companies will do is these are these research chemical companies. What they do is they'll go through the discarded drugs that these pharma companies tried to get approved or did testing and then discarded them because they found out like,

oh, this one cars the heart disease. This one causes liver cancer. They'll find those discarded ones. They'll create those ones because they do have effects, but they also have crazy side effects. And then they'll sell them and because they're not listed as banned substances, technically,

as long as they say it's not for human consumption, because this will happen. You'll go on these websites to buy sarms and you'll see it says not for human consumption. They're doing that to cover their asses. No, you're playing, this is literally Russian roulette, literally, with sarms. And here's the other thing with sarms. I know a lot of people who've taken real storms, and do they build muscle a little bit, it ain't close to antibiotics steroids. I know lots of guys who've taken both antibiotics

and storms are like, yeah, it doesn't do a whole lot. Like antibiotics are way more effective. Oh, and by the, and then another reason that they sell, I'm more why people take them, is they think that storms don't shut down testosterone. So they say, oh, you can take a storm, and it won't shut down your testosterone like taking anabolic steroids, do.

Not true. Not the doses that they're measuring. Even at low doses, blocking the Androgen Receptor still sends a signal to the brain that says, hey, or using or attaching to the Androgen Receptor tells the brain, hey, we've got too much testosterone. Let's lower production.

So it's just, I don't see any benefit from these, other than if some of them get approved and show that there's some safety, I could see maybe SARMS being prescribed to women to help with osteophenia or muscle because testosterone obviously has, you know, masculineizing effects on women. But no, I wouldn't mess with these at all.

And I get really irritated that, I mean, there's people in our space that promote them because they try to promote the, you know, the latest and greatest cool chemical, but no, I don't fuck with them. I agree. Next question is from Jose Benales. How do you guys stay healthy during long road trips? Do you meal prep or get food on the road? Staying healthy is easy. Making gains or progress during those times is what I think is challenging. So it really depends on where, personally, where I'm currently at. If I'm in a space of, I've set a goal, I'm going to change my body fat percentage or I'm going to build X amount of muscle or I'm on like a really strict program, both diet and exercise, then I make the time, which means it may mean I pack my food, it may mean that I get away for an hour to go get to the gym

regardless of what we're doing. But for the most part, where I'm currently at right now, where I'm not competing or training for anything like that, staying healthy on a trip is not that hard. And I think that we overcomplicate that. I think that the beauty is that you actually should be able to enjoy yourself while you're on vacation or a trip like that. This is a time when I actually would have a glass of wine or a beer with a guy's or go eat out like a restaurant, have a steak steak and maybe an appetizer and stuff like that.

And I think that where people go wrong is they either won over endulge on that. They go to the whole like, you know, restrict bench, like they restrict so hard all the time and then they go on their vacation and they fucking, ah, they bench and they go crazy. Or they allow a trip like that to start the spiraling process of, I ate like shit all weekend, then I get back, I'm not in the mood to exercise

and not in the mood to eat well and then that becomes like this downhill spiral. But honestly, the damage that you would have to do over a two to five day vacation, man, the amount of calorie surplus that you would have to eat every single day to really change your body, to where you fucked it up and put a bunch of body fat on. That's a lot of calories.

Highly unlikely. Yeah, unless you're really overdoing it,doing it. Like you're really, you're really binging while you're on vacation. If you come back and you put five pounds or 10 pounds of real body fat, which does happen. I mean, some people go a little bit, you know, crazy, but I totally agree. I think it's way over high, especially because most of these

trips aren't as long in comparison to like the your entire journey for the year. This is a blip that you're gonna just go through, but at the same time, we have found, and I have found that anytime now scheduling something in terms of a vacation, it's way more beneficial for me to find a house, or find something that has a kitchen,

or whatever, just so I can stockpile stuff. I go to a grocery store there and actually eat it, and it helps a little bit with the food decisions and the choices because it does, in terms of how I feel coming back to the gym and all that, it does play a factor, but it's not the end all be all, it depends on what kind of trip I'm taking.

Look at your health, if you're really concerned about your health because the only people I see who are going to have struggle with this are the super body obsessed, fanatical, maybe slightly food issue body issue type people. But everybody else if you're like, oh, you know, I'm worried about my health and whatever. Okay, consider this. First of all, if you look at your health, it's this big sphere that contains lots of different components. And diet and exercise are part of that. But there's also leisure and connections with friends. And those play an important role in your health. In fact, studies, there was a huge study done by Harvard that showed that the relationships

you have in your life play a bigger role in your health by themselves than exercise does by itself and diet does by itself. They also showed that having poor relationships was as bad for your health as smoking 15 to 20 cigarettes every single day. So if you're a health conscious person, like you're super fit, you work out all the time, you eat really well, and they're like, oh my god, I have a seven-day vacation in Cabo with my wife or my husband and my friends. What am I going to do really well. And you're like, oh my God, I have a seven day vacation in Cabo with my wife, or my husband, and my friends. What am I gonna do?

You know what you're gonna do? You're gonna focus on the other side of your health, which is- You're gonna party. The relationships with your friends, the relationships with your family, the enjoyment of the place that you're in. That will do more for your health than going there

and stressing about your diet and exercise and pissing people off around you. Yeah, don't be that guy. And not nurturing your relationships. Now, do you guys do, like so, do you guys do anything different leading up to that? So, I know I'm not going on vacation, but I fly out on Friday. So, it's just the fact that I'm traveling.

I gotta fly. Anytime I gotta fly, it normally throws off my training, throws off my eating. So, I know that's already a day that's gonna be challenging for me, right? When I know that I'm flying out, or I know that I'm taking a weekend vacation or I know we're like Katrina and I

are heading up to sanctuary, I tend to really tighten up the reins on myself, the week leading up to that. So I know that I have kind of this buffer during that trip. So, you know, I'm always eating good, I'm always training, but I eat extra good or don't miss my training or train extra hard that week leading up to a vacation to help with that buffer. So I don't have to stress about that.

I think to me, the week leading up and the week after a vacation is more important than what actually happens on the vacation. So I used to do that, right? I used to do that with diet where I'd eat much more strict leading up to it, but I found that that led more to the... To more binging. Yeah, more toward the tendency of, now I'm going into my vacation, feeling a little restricted, and then I'm like, yes, I'm finally here. I don't have to eat this way anymore.

Type of mentality. So now I just, I'm just the same walking in. Now with workouts, that's different because with workouts, I'll say to myself, now depending on where I'm going. If I'm going somewhere, let's say it's just Jessica and I, we both love working out. It's fun. We tend to book things with gyms and then we'll schedule the workouts and that's part of the vacation. We have a lot of fun doing that. But if I'm going somewhere with other family members or there's not going to be a gym, I'll just work out a little harder the week leading up to it and then I'll use that as kind of recovery time. But otherwise, I tell you what,

if you're really freaking out about what you're gonna eat, what you're gonna do and that can a, lead to the binge mentality or b, make it so that you're not really gaining the full benefit of this vacation or trip. When you go on a vacation, this took me a long time to learn, dude. I used to go and, I would do that.

I would get shredded leading into a vacation. Then on the vacation, I'd fucking just go crazy. Now what I do is I go and I eat, I eat out and stuff, but I'm not stuffing my face. I'm enjoying the food. I'm actually tasting it and enjoying it. And workouts, if they're there, they're there. If they're not, they're not. Depends on if I'm'm with you guys or again with Jessica probably workout because we all like doing it

If I'm not then I'm not gonna force everybody to do that. It's not that big of a deal But I think people freak out so much about this because we're like oh my god I'm gonna take five days off. It's gonna ruin my body. It's gonna ruin my health. It's not it's not gonna do that I'm gonna hysteria towards I think Just in terms of my own like enjoyment I do like to either be active or like focus a little bit more on maybe not going You know so extreme with the eating you know I know it'll be there, but I'll try and make better decisions. It's like one or the other

I just I I don't like coming back just like both factors have been way off Kielter and then I come I just hate that feeling when you come back. Well, it's hard to get going, yeah. That's why I think the week before and the week after are more important than the actual week. Sure, right? Like, because a lot of times when you go, you know, crazy with the food and you don't eat and you don't exercise the first day back, from vacation like that.

Very few people are disciplined enough to make it in the gym that day. And typically that week of vacation or five days or whatever it was is what normally sends people on the, I'm off the wagon now. That's what kicked off the off the wagon. So in my opinion,

getting going into that week and coming out of that week is more off the off the wagon. So in my opinion, getting going into that week and coming out of that week is more important than the actual week. Now, I also don't think that you should restrict so hard that you binge. I think that's a good point that Sal brings up. And I'm probably in my early years, I didn't have as good a relationship with food.

I probably did something similar. Now I just know like, now I know like, because I have a very balanced diet right now, it's easy for me to maintain about 12 to 14% body fat. That's not like super lean for me. It's not a lot of sacrifice. It means I can have a burger when I want it. It means I can have fries every once in a while.

It means that I can enjoy a soda that has sugar in it every now and then, like, I could eat a half pound of grapes. It means I can do things like that and still keep maintaining balance. Now, knowing that I have somewhere to go on Friday, I just tighten it up a tiny bit. Maybe this week I won't have a burger out because more than likely, I'll probably have something eating out on Friday when I'm traveling. So that's what I mean by tightening things up is the foods or the things that I would kind of let myself eat outside

the normal quote unquote, healthy or ideal foods, I tend to say, I'm probably gonna do that by chance because I'm flying on Friday and I'll probably eat in a hotel or eat inside of an airport at one point and the choices that I have there, I don't wanna stress about it. If it's a burger, it's a burger, whatever. I'm saying I'm not gonna worry about it

because I did had a great week leading up to this and I plan to be right back on the wagon when I'm back from the trip. Now I do wanna address people who travel a lot because that's different, right? People who travel a lot for work. Now you have to, yes, it makes sense to pay attention to workouts and nutrition when you're gone,

because maybe you're gone five days out of every month. There are people that travel like this. In which case, here's a couple tips that you can do that I think should help. Most restaurants will have a meat and vegetable option. That's usually a good option. It's usually a good option to have a plate of vegetables and then have some kind of meat. It tends to keep calories low, it's satiating, gives you all the essential nutrients that you may need. You don't even need to look at the menu, really. You just need to order that and see what they can do.

Yeah, and ask them, say, hey, can I get a side of vegetables? What vegetables do you have? And often times, they'll have broccoli or asparagus. As a side, you can order that. You can order your meat. If you want some starches, most places will offer a bake potato, which is a very clean, quote unquote, clean former carbohydrates.

As far as workouts are concerned, maps anywhere is a great program. That's why we designed it. We designed it specifically for people like this. Bodyweight exercises. And if you don't want to buy the program and just say, hey, can you give me advice wise in terms of workouts? 30-minute daily bodyweight exercises. And if you don't want to buy the program and just say, hey, can you give me advice wise in terms of workouts? 30 minute daily bodyweight workouts are a great way to kind of maintain fitness. And that's where you can pick, you know, three or four exercises that are bodyweight

that are challenging. And do them every morning for 30 minutes. Just wake up. And if you're gone for five days, that means five days every morning, 30 minutes, you're doing some bodyweight exercises just to keep your body moving. That should maintain your fitness for when you get back home. Maps anywhere would be even better than that. Obviously, that's a, it's a well program workout that might even take your fitness to a better level.

But for those people, I'd say then, yeah, you want to pay attention because you're traveling so often. Next question is from Andrew Beth. Have you ever dealt with major anxiety and if so, what have been some of your best coping mechanisms? Have you guys ever had like big time anxiety? I'm trying to rack right now. Well, I had a panic attack if that counts.

Yeah, that definitely counts, bro. I think it's the same. Yeah, and I've told this on other podcasts. I'm pretty sure I brought it up the best. Accounts, bro. Yeah. And yeah, no, I've told this on other podcasts. I'm pretty sure I brought it up on this one. But yeah, I was just a compilation of like all these different factors at once in terms of what I was just, I didn't realize how much I was internalizing stress wise. And like I was trying to launch this product,

you know, via Kickstarter, I was trying to, you product. Via Kickstarter, I was trying to contribute to this business. I was trying to manage a bunch of things at home at the same time. There was just like a bunch of a multitude of things that I was trying to just like fight my way through. Like this is just, I'm just weathering this storm. This was like a mechanism that I had done me well in the past. Like it was something I could get through, like, challenging things by sort of bearing down

and trying to work my way out of it and dig my way out. But apparently that method sort of, you know, came back to bite me in the ass. And this is one of those things that just came out of nowhere. that method sort of came back to bite me in the ass, and this is one of those things that just came out of nowhere. Like it was a very physical thing that happened to me where I at first started to feel a pain,

like almost like an appendix sort of an issue where it felt like it's this tightening and then felt like almost like it ruptured. Like I was like having a physical response with this stress and it knocked me down on the ground. I was on the ground rolling trying to find a comfortable position. Again, drew a bath because this is like one of my things. I was like, maybe I could like relax by getting in hot water.

You know, like that's one of the go-to's. Maybe I can puke it out. Did you take a lot of baths? Does it kid or something that seems like your favorite? like getting in hot water, you know? Like that's one of the go-to's. Maybe I can puke it out. I try puke it out. Did you take a lot of baths? Does it kid or something that seems like your favorite? I did, there's pictures. You never do that. We're like, my mom would have like my friends.

This one were real little. And we'd all take a bath. She took pictures of all of us taking baths of my friends. Oh, you guys were, I'm like, how dare you. You're only like, held or 16? Yeah. So just a little bit awkward here. You're not through puberty. Yeah, so I only like, elderly 16? Yeah. So just a little bit awkward here. You're going through puberty.

Yeah, so I was like doing all these things. I'm like trying to get it out, like get it out. And I'm like, that's not how it works, I guess. And so that made it worse. And I was like, in this double-dover excruciating pain, I was like, just at a point where I'm trying to get cold presses, I'm trying to deal with stuff. And like I just couldn't get comfortable.

And then Courtney's like, yeah, I gotta take you to the hospital. Like I don't know what the hell's going on with you. I gotta take you to the hospital. So she took me to ER and the whole way there, I'm just doubled over, doubled over. I didn't know like what the hell was going on. The worst was I just didn't know it was going on. Like I just, I knew something was wrong.

And like and I have a pretty high pain tolerance. Like in my parents will tell, The worst was I just didn't know what was going on. I knew something was wrong. I have a pretty high pain tolerance. My parents will tell, I've had an infection where I stepped on this nail and I got this bacteria called pseudomonas that made its way into my leg, which is basically a flush-eating bacteria. That's what's wrong with your feet. Yeah, that's not the only thing that trust me. There's a lot. And it healed up and so my whole leg was basically this big infected leg.

And anyways, and I was walking on that for a couple days and on my way home, I couldn't even, like I was crawling home. So anyway, I'm just trying to paint a picture like I was dealing with that. You're a tough guy. No, I'm just saying, like this was real. Yeah, no, you are a tough guy. So, so we get there and it's like, it's a weird thing, but I think it was just like psychologically, I'm in a place where they're gonna be able to help me.

And so the pain started to kind of like go down and I'm like, oh no, like that's enough. I was like, no, like, what is this? Like, oh, don't tell me I'm like getting better, you know, I'm like, this is bullshit. I still had some pants on the doctor. They put me on morphine anyway, but at that point, I was already calming back down and then I laid down

and everything was fine. So I told you it was a panic attack. It was a panic attack. It was just literally stress-driven. Wow. And I was like embarrassed, you know, because he's like, what? You did it to yourself.

Yeah. You know what, dude? Don't be embarrassed because a lot of people are like, yeah, you can't separate the physical from the experience of the pain. So physical pain, experience of the pain, both can have it on the body and both can cause each other to happen. So you can, so people who are like, oh, you know, I didn't just imagine it.

There's something that's really there. And what it doesn't matter, you was there. What about you, so I feel like you'd be anxious. I, you know, I'm an anxious person. Yeah, I'm a, I'm an anxious type person, but I don't really suffer from anxiety. Under really stressful situations, I tend to become a little hyper,

maybe a little more productive and focused, although I will say this, because I was thinking about it's like, when have I ever felt like real anxiety? You know, when we started doing the live events and talking to big groups of people, which I've never had issues with in the past, but I think this was the,

I had put so much pressure on myself, and these people all know me, because I listen to the podcast. And what I did leading into it is I thought, okay, I wanna be sharp. And the way I can, I know there are certain things I can take that will make me feel more sharp and they're all stimulants by caffeine

or other types of stimulants that I can take that'll make me feel up and then I can do a better presentation. Well, that was a bad mistake because I was taking stimulants and I was also naturally heightened because of the, you know, okay, I'm gonna go talk to a bunch of people. And it caused me to feel the first time I think I ever felt like actual physical anxiety where you feel like your breath is kind of short.

And if I talk too much, I'm gonna lose my breath and you gotta be careful where I'm sitting type of deal. That happened at one of the events. And now the way I cope with it now is I understand that when I'm about to do something big, I naturally hype myself up. I'm naturally gonna have high levels of stimulating chemicals in my body.

What I need to do is the opposite, bring my body down. So what I do now before we do an event like that, as I take theinine, I'll take my ned, so I'll do like a full dropper full of ned, and I'll go into it, and that will balance out my natural hyperness, and I'm nice, even keel, and feeling good. But if I have a bunch of coffee before doing an event like that, not a good idea. It'll be too much all at once, and I won't feel good.

Now, that being said, I'll tell you what, I've dealt with lots of anxiety in my family and I can tell you two things that are really, really good. One is have something on hand that will treat acute anxiety. Now that may be a medication, so it may be like a benzo drug, like a Xanax that you get prescription for,

or it may be something natural like passion flower, or theanine, for example, which can both help, they're very, very mild in comparison to a Xanax, but they can both help, or Ned, have some hemp oil extract that you can use. And the reason why that's a good idea is because sometimes just having something there, like I've worked with clients who've gotten a prescription

for Xanax, never used it, but the fact that they had it helped them because they knew, oh, I got this here just in case. And then the other thing is mindfulness. Mindfulness is the only natural thing that's been shown in clinical studies to be almost as effective as medication for dealing with physical anxiety. It's that powerful. The problem is you need to practice it, something you practice every single day.

I feel like it's a reframing thing, right? I'm not a terrible person to answer this question because I don't think I've had, or at least I can't recall a story like Justin where it was so overwhelming that it physically got to me. Most certainly, I've had anxious moments, like, before every basketball game, before every time I've had a speak in front of a crowd,

the first few times we probably did this podcast, the first time I had gotten YouTube. Like all those things create a little bit of anxiousness, or a little bit of anxiety, I would say, but for me, I've always been able to, and I don't know if this goes back to maybe playing sports and piecing this together, but it's funny, the feeling you get of like super excitement

and anxiousness is like similar. Physiological the same. Yeah, so like if you can just learn to like reframe it, that that like amped crazy feeling, is instead of it being like a daunting thing, like a scary thing, that that like amped crazy feeling, is instead of it being like a daunting thing, like a scary thing, it's like, I switch it over and kinda grin at it. Like, oh yeah, I'm getting amped right now, I'm excited.

Like, I just start telling myself that in my head, like, oh, I'm excited, I can feel, I can feel the butterflies, I can feel my skin moving, I'm just gonna say, do you remember the first times when you were younger and you knew you were gonna like make out with a girl or you're gonna fullaround how you would feel beforehand You'd get kind of shaky and like a jittery and like I'm a but because you were excited

It wasn't scary right. It's this physiologically speaking. It's the same same shit happening in your body Same chemicals are being released one of them you think is scary the other one you're like this is exciting You just may I again you make peace with the very worst outcome. So if I'm gonna go play a basketball game, what's the worst thing that happened? I freaking play terrible. Is it the end of the world? You know, no, it's not the end of the world.

What's the worst thing that's gonna happen if I get in front of stage of 300 people and I'm talking to this big group? I totally bomb. I totally bomb, it's terrible. Nobody likes me afterwards. So the fuck what? Like once I make peace with the worst outcome of whatever situation is causing me to be anxious or

having anxiety, I think that that's what makes me be okay is that I've just all right. The worst, this is worst case scenario. The fact that I'm feeling this way instead of being stressing me out more and causing more anxiety, I go like, oh, wow, this got to me. This is exciting. This is, I'm gonna do something that's actually got my juices for them because I mean, and trying to look at it as a positive thing because, man, how often do we go about our days and not have these emotional feelings that like wake you up? Like how many people are just stuck in the nine to five and feel the same way every day and everything's just fucking even kill all the time.

Like the fact that I'm doing something in my life that causes this little rumble or this nervousness is like, ooh, this is cool. Yeah, I think it too, like, you know, reflecting back on, you know, why that? It was toxic. It was negative. There was no connotation of a positive outcome. Like there was just like doom and turmoil and

being pulled in somebody like being ripped, you know, apart in so many different directions that I knew like, I think that my internal voice was like a bandage ship, you know, and so it wasn't like I could because I could do that for every other sport and every other event. Like I went to talk on Ben Greenfield's podcast by myself, which is the last thing I wanted to do. Yeah. I did not want to do that. You know, I have spoken in front of, you know, Apple before. You know, I did not want to do that. And, you know, turned that into excitement. But, but I think that, I think it's a matter of addressing it and dealing with something. You know, like, your body physically tries to tell you these things, I think a lot of times people ignore it.

And there's probably somebody in your life or there's probably something going on with your work that you need to make a decision on that you're probably not. No, that one show on Netflix that was talking about the mind and they were talking about mindfulness and they had the monks on there explaining how they meditate and whatever. Have you guys ever seen that it's a famous picture? And I believe it's from the 60s or 50s, and there's a Buddhist monk who's protesting,

and I forgot what he was protesting, but he kneels down. And himself on fire. He pours gas on himself, and he kneels down, lights himself on fire and meditates, and literally burns to death, and not a single muscle twitched, not a single screen came out of his body.

He sat there and meditated while his body caught fire. It's the craziest thing ever. And the reason why they can do stuff like that, Doug's going to pull it up. There he is. This is 1963. Look at that. Is that a real image or is that just... No, that's really him.

That's the cover of Ragee's machine. Yeah, it's going to say that is rage. He really did that. And the reason why they can do that is because through mindfulness, they've changed the relationship they have with certain feelings. So he still felt the pain of the burn. He still felt all that stuff, but he just felt it. He just felt the pain.

It's just a signal. He's not interpreting it as bad, hurtful, whatever. He just feels it. And so what mindfulness tells us about anxiety is just allow yourself to feel it, but don't attach anything to it. So just okay, heart's beating fast,, but don't attach anything to it. So just okay, hearts beating fast, recognize whatever, or attach something positive to it.

Like what Adam was saying. Yeah, and you're exactly, and you're advised too, I think is something that I've learned over years that I did wrong in the past of doing other things that hyped myself up. Like I was already hyped enough, like there's no reason for me to take any stimulant because I have a natural high

and that would just make it more challenging. I do love to use like Ned for like every talk we've done, I've done the same thing. I haven't messed with the ending in that situation, but I have I have taken Ned before and that just kind of helps me calm down and relax a little bit. Now if you're someone that suffers from lots of anxiety, obviously we're not doctors, but there's a couple things that the literature says that's pretty clear, A, take no stimulants. So if you drink coffee every day, even if it's one cup, go off of it. It has a negative effect on anybody

who has anxiety issues for the most part. The second thing is work on your sleep. Sleep, lack of sleep, can dramatically increase anxiety symptoms in people who suffer from all kinds of different types of anxiety. So focus on sleep. And the third thing is exercise regularly. Exercise is another thing that has been shown

to reduce the symptoms of anxiety. And sometimes when you're feeling anxious, moving actually helps get that feeling out of your body. So you're feeling anxious, you go to the gym, or you go for a long walk, and you'll find the things out of you, we'll start to come down. And with that, go to minepumpfree.com

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