Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth - 1169 Building Muscle While Cutting Calories, When to Change Your Rep Range, Wrist Strengthening Tips & MORE

Episode Date: November 23, 2019

In this episode of Quah (Q & A), Sal, Adam & Justin answer Pump Head questions about how long to stay in a specific rep range, whether you can cut calories and still gain muscle, the best way to stren...gthen wrists and the ideal physical activity or exercise to be done 2-3Xs a week by the average person. How Italian’s don’t have a volume button. (4:04) Why it’s not just about the information, but rather HOW you communicate it. (5:57) Mind Pump heading to LA to meet Arthur C Brooks. (15:00) Does anything evoke emotion as much as music? (16:38) Mind Pump Business Wars: Starbucks vs. Peet’s. (19:47) The origin story of Red Bull. (24:55) Vuori’s CRAZY return policy: Good business move or bad one? (27:42) The CLEAR differences between men and women. (29:26) The differences between Heritage Pork vs regular pork and how you can get it from Butcher Box. (34:40) Updates on ‘Epstein Gate’. (37:40) Is panspermia a real thing?? (40:35) What’s the deal with the resurgence of amateur fights? Will the novelty wear off? (42:35) #Quah question #1 – How long should you stay in a specific rep range? Should you be switching up weekly, shorter or longer? (50:24) #Quah question #2 – I am confused about the whole bulk and cut thing. Can I cut calories and still gain muscle? (56:30) #Quah question #3 – What is the best way to strengthen wrists? I’m looking to learn a handstand, but my wrists give out first. (1:01:20) #Quah question #4 - If you can prescribe one physical activity or exercise to be done 2-3Xs a week for the average person, what would it be? (1:05:12) People Mentioned Bishop Robert Barron (@bishopbarron)  Instagram Arthur Brooks (@arthurbrooks)  Twitter Mike Swick (@mike_swick)  Instagram Dr Pimple Popper (@popperdrpimple)  Instagram Logan Paul (@loganpaul)  Instagram Related Links/Products Mentioned November Promotion: MAPS Performance ½ off!! **Code “GREEN50” at checkout** Arthur C. Brooks - Amazon.com The Pursuit | Netflix From the Ground Up: My Journey to Reimagine the Role of a Global Business Book by Howard Schultz How Thailand created Red Bull Visit Vuori Clothing for an exclusive offer for Mind Pump listeners! Visit Butcher Box for this month’s exclusive Mind Pump offer! 2 prison guards charged with conspiracy and filing false records on the night of Jeffrey Epstein's death NASA finds 'extraterrestrial sugar' on meteorites, which may have 'led to the origin of life' Rough N' Rowdy - Barstool Sports Which Is Better: Low Reps Or High Reps? MAPS Fitness Prime Pro MAPS O.C.R. The Best Form of Exercise – Mind Pump Blog Mind Pump Free Resources

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Starting point is 00:00:00 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND, MIND. Man, we respond. And we pick our favorite ones, and then we answer them on episodes like this one. Now the way we open the episode is with our introductory conversations, we talk about ourselves, we talk about studies, fitness, and random stuff. So here's what we had to talk about, what we did talk about in this episode. We started by talking about my academic post.
Starting point is 00:00:45 I did a poke at the PhDs and academics out there a little bit. You rouser. Yeah, see what happened. Then we talked about how excited we are to meet Arthur C. Brooks this week. We're gonna go down to LA and interview him. He is the maker of the documentary, The Pursuit on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:01:00 I talked about music and its influence on workouts. Music has a massive influence on your motivation and the quality of your workouts. We talked about the history of Starbucks and Red Bull. We talked about, in fact, bullcombe. We talked about one of our sponsors, Viori and their insane return policy.
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Starting point is 00:01:36 Now Viori is one of our sponsors. Here's how you can get a discount. Go to Viori clothing. That's V-U-O-R-I clothing.com, forward slash mind pump, and you can get 25% off by using the code that is listed on the webpage. Then we talked about the differences between men and women.
Starting point is 00:01:55 I talked about Heritage Pork versus regular pork. By the way, one of our sponsors butcher box, they take grass fed meats and they deliver heritage pork to your door, so they have the highest quality stuff. If you go to butcherbox.com forward slash mind pump, you can get massive discounts, including the ultimate stake sampler offer, which is two New York stakes, four top store loins, two filet mignon's, all free in your first order plus $20.00 off.
Starting point is 00:02:27 100% I'm doing that sell. That's right. We talked about the Epstein update, two of the guards that were supposed to watch him are getting indicted. That's kind of crazy. We talked about Pan Spurmia and Barstool Sports, Rough and Routies, this amateur fighting. Then we got into the questions. The first question was, this person wants to know
Starting point is 00:02:47 how long you should stay in a specific rep range. So is there a time frame? Next question, this person wants to know all about bulking and cutting. Like what is that all about? And can you build muscle while cutting calories? The next question, what's the best way to strengthen risks? So if you have risk pain or you just have weak risks, good part of the episode. And the final
Starting point is 00:03:11 question was, if we could prescribe one physical activity to people to be done two, three times a week, what would that be? Also just months, maps performance is half off. Now, maps Performance is our workout program. All planned out for you, by the way. There's workout videos, blueprints, instructions. This workout program is all about functional strength, athletic performance, fat loss, and muscle building. It can all be done in a gym.
Starting point is 00:03:38 The workouts are fun and different. You will improve your mobility and your ability to do foundational movements like squatting, overhead pressing, twisting, moving laterally, you name it, it's in Maps Performance. Again, it's half off, here's what you do. Go to mapsgreen.com and use the code green50gren50, no space for the discount. You guys should see Italians talking on the phone,
Starting point is 00:04:04 old Italians talking on the phone. Y'all ain't gonna do that. How do they do it with just, I think, you know, one hand. I think that, you can speak Italian with one hand. Italians talk, old Italians talking on the phone. I think they think they have to yell because the person's far away.
Starting point is 00:04:18 You know what I mean? Oh! Yeah, it's like, I did it! How it's got? I'm like, holy shit! I'm like, dad, fucking, it's good. I'm like, holy shit. I'm like, dad, fucking technology's good now. You don't have to yell out your window, yeah, there's no need to be that loud.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Hey, talk to grandma. I'm like, ma, stop. God, blow my ears out. Then I get on the phone, I do the same thing. Yeah, as it say, I have a bad habit of talking loud like that. I was just somewhere, somebody was shushing me. Oh, fucking shush me. You are loud too, go.
Starting point is 00:04:44 I have loud. You're not as loud as I amush me. You are allowed to go. I have allowed. You're not as loud as I am about that. Probably not. Totally, like, yeah, inconspicuous. If you come to dinner at my family's, so poor Jessica, she's not a loud person, she's quiet, right? So she'll come to my family functions and we're all sitting around having conversations
Starting point is 00:05:01 and she'll say something to like add to the conversation and nobody picks up on it. It acknowledges it because nobody heard her. No. Because they're all yelling and I can see that she's, she's like, oh man, yeah. So then I'll say what she said. Oh hey, Jessica said that, you know, it's like her, you gotta repeat it like that.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Yeah. That's hell of a fun thing. I told her a megaphone. I told you're a megaphone. I told her I said it's like when you're driving, you know, you put your blinker on to try and, my family's not worked that way. Don't put your blinker on, just get in. Just do it.
Starting point is 00:05:34 Or you're not going to get, it's like the moving car, you just got run and then fucking get in. So me and my siblings were all like that, except for my youngest. My youngest sister is, she's quiet. And so she often times just sits there and the rest of us fight over who's getting airspace. You know, we were thinking of the conversation. It's so, it explains a lot. I was thinking of fighting.
Starting point is 00:05:56 I see you were picking fights on Instagram yesterday again. Nobody, nobody, nobody wanted to just poke and bear. Nobody wanted these hands. Oh man. What are these hands? Nobody wanted these hands dude. No you know what it is? I you know there's a few things that just, you know, chat my, you know what I say. You and I are similar in the same way. Chat my bummer.
Starting point is 00:06:17 What do they chat my hide? Some like that. Whatever. Just grinds my gears. Grind my, yeah. Yeah and one of them, there's two things. One is, roast mites and eight is morons,
Starting point is 00:06:28 people who say things that are totally terrible and wrong. And then the other one that actually probably irritates me more because I feel like they should know better. But of course they don't. These are the PhDs, academics, the scholars. Lots and lots and lots of education, who have zero experience working with people or training people every day average people. Or maybe they have some experience, but the population they work with is this real narrow
Starting point is 00:06:58 like only high level power lifters. Or just the gap is massive. It's eight plus years of heavy education, one year of training people. Yeah, and what they do is they they'll communicate this information, but they're really, they're just a little bit better than Google, you know what I mean? Like the reason why people don't lead healthy and fit lives is not for lack of information. Hit to break this to you, smart people. It's not the problem. We live in the lack of information. It's to break this to you smart people. It's not the problem we live in the age of information.
Starting point is 00:07:28 The problem is it's not being communicated effectively. And what you learn when you train people through the years is not so much the information that's important. Knowing what to communicate, that's very important. Like if I used to do this, when I'd sit down in front of a client when I first became a trainer, I'd try and teach him everything, the first session. And it would, it was incredibly ineffective,
Starting point is 00:07:49 it would blow him out of the water. I'll driven by your own insecurities. Totally. Of wanting to prove to them that you're smart. Then I know everything. So that's what I smell when I see that. Like when I see that, it's like you asserting yourself on Instagram like that.
Starting point is 00:08:01 All you're trying to do is convince everybody how smart you are. The real desired outcome should be to help these people because that's how you're trying to package this. But in reality, all you end up doing is paralyzing most people because now they're like, well, fuck, I don't know if this is a good thing or a- I'm more confused.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Right. So here's, I'll give you a great example. Okay, so a while ago, the term adrenal fatigue was thrown around quite a bit by health practitioners who'd been working, people with a lot of experience working with clients. Now adrenal fatigue, I'm putting in quotes because that's not really what's happening,
Starting point is 00:08:37 but I'm putting in quotes, is the accumulation of all these common symptoms that practitioners had been noticing for a while and people's excess fatigue intolerance to cold and heat. Just lots and lots of difficulty gaining losing weight, holding water, symptoms of hormone imbalances, that kind of stuff. Just these symptoms that all tended to come as one package and they would call it adrenal fatigue. Then you have the academics, the scholars and PhDs with their, you know, their, their, their night armor showing up. Oh, excuse me. They're lab coats. Yeah. Adrenal fatigue does not exist. The adrenals do not get
Starting point is 00:09:17 fatigued and then they, you know, walk away as if they helped everybody. Realities, they hurt, they hurt people because although the health practitioners gave it a name that may not be accurate in terms of what's actually happening. The symptoms were there. And the solutions that the practitioners were providing, which was more rest, stress management, resistance training, a diet that's particular to the individual in terms of more nourishing, less heavily processed foods, particular supplements that are adaptogens like Ashwagandha. The prescriptions were working for the symptoms, but then the academics came in and said,
Starting point is 00:09:55 ah, Drintel fatigue, the Drintels aren't getting fatigued, and it just made a bunch of people not get the help that was working. I was trying to really define and articulate better a real problem that exists, and they noticed it. It just might not have been under the right labeling that they put. Correct. Here's another great example, right? Foam rolling. Foam rolling does help with range of motion. It does help alleviate pain. In many cases, temporarily, but it can be
Starting point is 00:10:24 part of a program that actually cures the root cause of pain because it encourages better movement. Fome rolling has a place, but they used to call it myofascia release. Then the academics came out, oh, you can't release fascia, fascia's too tight. Blub, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:10:39 You're stupid. So then a bunch of people are like, oh, I guess foam rolling isn't good. No, no, it's still good. It's just, they got tied up and caught up in showing everybody how smart they are. In reality, they are hurting a bunch of people and not helping anybody.
Starting point is 00:10:52 This irritates the fucking shit out of it. It is frustrating. Yeah, priming isn't, you're not priming the muscle. You know, you just want to show that muscles don't get more active when you prime. Fuck you, because maybe that's true. But we get the same thing with that when you talk about like a sleepy butt
Starting point is 00:11:07 or a neurological disconnect. Like then you get this big argument. There's nothing disconnected. You're still connected there. It's not missing the picture. Right, completely missed the point of what you're trying to teach a client. And it is, it's my biggest pet peeve
Starting point is 00:11:22 and we see it more and more today because having a-bitty titles or alarming type of posts like that is what gets traction and attention. And so you can't just come out and give like good sage plain old advice. It was like, I just gave that Friday fitness tip and I had some trainer kid come on there and it was a basic tip to help somebody who, I mean, I, this that Friday fitness tip and I had some trainer kid come on there and it was a basic tip to help somebody who, I mean, and this, and this, where this tip came from
Starting point is 00:11:50 is, you know, thinking back to the hundreds of clients that I've watched do this, where they're doing bicep curls. They have a dominant side naturally, that's stronger. They're right-handed, right? Their whole life, they've been playing sports right-handed and so they're just stronger on the right side than their left side. They do curls, and what do they do?
Starting point is 00:12:08 They start with the right. Yeah, or they do a fuller final rep on the right side, or do more repetitions with the side that is dominant because they can do more, or the one on the left side, they try and catch up to the right side, and they do this shitty form where they cheat up the last rep or two.
Starting point is 00:12:22 So, you know, a tip that helped hundreds of people that I've trained with that is just teaching them to do, you know lateral movements, a one arm or one leg at a time, focusing first on the weaker side. So start with the less dominant side. As soon as form starts to break down, whether that's at four and a half reps or seven or eight, you stop right there, and then you mirror that
Starting point is 00:12:45 with the dominant side. That's it. Brilliant. It's a very simple fucking tip, and then you get a trainer who comes on there that wants to debate me about a symmetry. And it's like, you know, what is your desired outcome right now? Is it to... I think his desired outcome was to show how smart he is.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Right, exactly. Congratulations. And I call that out because it is a pet peeve of mine and it was with even the trainers that I managed for so many years is, you know, you work real hard to get these certifications, you work real hard to get this education. And I guess there's a part of you. And by the way, this is your ego and your insecurities that drives you to do this, that you want to show that.
Starting point is 00:13:23 You want to show, oh, I know this, and it's more technical and difficult than that, and you want to go deeper, but the reality is that the majority of people that doesn't help them, they end up getting lost in the weeds, and most people are too insecure to admit they don't understand what you're saying, so they just shut up, and they don't say anything.
Starting point is 00:13:41 And then what ends up happening is nothing. Nothing gets accomplished. You come across like this fucking super smart trainer because you use all these terms that lose these people, that people feel insecure, that they don't wanna admit they don't know what you're talking about, so they just kind of politely nod their head.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Meanwhile, they don't change any of their behaviors and nothing gets accomplished. That's it, like what is your goal? Is your goal to help people, to really, really help people, well then how you deliver the information and choosing which information to deliver is crucial. It's absolutely crucial. And one of the biggest problems that, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:15 these influencers make with all this education and very little experience working with anyone, is just hammering people with all this jargon and information that is almost completely worthless, which is what I put in the post. I said that these PhDs and academics with little to no experience training people like you are slightly better than worthless. And what I mean by slightly better is it's like Google except you don't need to enter in the search term. They're telling you. So let's say Google. All right, good job. You did a great job.
Starting point is 00:14:45 You did a great job. You did a great job. But nobody won. I'm insulted. I thought I would get a lot of pissed off people, which is fine. But yeah, nobody, nobody, nobody wanted. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:56 Nobody wanted none of these. Yeah, it's true. Hey, speaking of cool information, I'm excited that we're heading down South tomorrow to go listen to Arthur Brooks with Bishop Aaron. I mean, I'm excited that we're heading down south tomorrow to go listen to Arthur Brooks with Bishop Baron. I mean, I'm pumped about. So super excited. So I guess this is like an event or something from what I gather, Bishop Baron is putting together these talks where he's introducing other speakers. And one of these speakers is Arthur Seabruck's, he's an economist who, if you go on Netflix,
Starting point is 00:15:29 you can watch the documentary, The Pursuit, which I thought was a brilliant, super well-made. Very, very well-made documentary. He approaches the economic issues like what works better, markets, or planned as societies, or you know, from a very humanitarian standpoint, from an empathetic standpoint, I think he communicates it very, very well. I'm so excited to meet this guy and talk to him. I like, I watched the documentary and I was like, we need to get this, it's so weird how things work out too.
Starting point is 00:15:59 We were down there interviewing Bishop Baron. Tell him that, you know, oh, no, what happened was I was on their podcast, and they asked me what my hobbies were, and I said economics, and they said, oh, that's weird because we're gonna have Arthur Brooks. I'm like, you're kidding. And we were homies. We already in contact with him.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Yeah, and so it was like, it worked out super, and they're so generous to let us use their studio, which it feels kinda cool. Yeah, that they're doing that, but he seems like a really smart cool guy. So I want to go down and I want to ask him like hard questions that, you know, maybe the audience may be thinking, you know what I mean? So just kind of see how he.
Starting point is 00:16:35 No, no, I'm excited. How he answers that for whatever. Yeah. Anyway, this morning, so funny, dude. It's so funny all the focus that we place on all these weird products and supplements and things to help boost our workout performance and our pumps and and probably the most powerful thing that I know of and this actually studies support this but I've also experienced music.
Starting point is 00:17:03 Oh I thought you were saying drinking water. No. Yeah, well, yeah. That is important. Dude, music makes that such a huge, it's funny too. We've known this, humans have known this for a long time. And what I wonder about that, is it so much music? And I would argue that it's more just mindset.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Like just what music does is it, I think it puts you in the mindset of being hyper focused on what you're doing, right? It kind of drowns out other distractions of your day and thoughts that you were having about, might gotta get my kids to school. Oh, I've got this thing with this bank thing. Oh, I've got this thing with work
Starting point is 00:17:39 and you've got all this shit on your mind and then all of a sudden your favorite song comes in and you fall into the song. And I think it's more that than it is, like music has something magical about that. And it's also like, you're going through your list and you're finding those songs that you got the best reaction from.
Starting point is 00:17:54 You know, so like I know, based off of what kind of intensity I'm going in with my workouts, I'm like already like finding those songs and putting it in my playlist and I wanna hit those at certain times. And it's so effective, man. It totally works. Does anything, and think about it, does anything invoke emotion as easily as music, or at least, not just as easily, but something that you can put on the background and do other things?
Starting point is 00:18:20 I can't think of anything. Music can invoke tears. Like, you ever hear a song that moves you, or you hear a song that makes you hyper or calm, happy or sad even, like, angry. Music has it. And so this morning I was working out. And I totally went in with the intention. I'm like, okay, you know, I had two injuries over the past couple of weeks minor. But I'm like, I'm going to go to the gym, and I'm gonna work, I'm gonna go light, I'm gonna squeeze, I'm gonna get a good pump, I'm gonna be controlled, and then I just pick the wrong music. I put death metal on.
Starting point is 00:18:52 Dude, and all that shit went up on the one, that bad move there. It was all about, bro, I started with lightweight, freaking, Lamma God came on, and I'm just like, I'm adding for 90, 90s. Ah, yeah. And death locked, I'm holding in half, I'm out of your 90s. And death locked the whole thing in half. I'm adding more. I mean, I have my Spotify, you know, it's separated by genres.
Starting point is 00:19:12 And there's just, there's certain genres I know better than to turn on when I know I need to go to the gym with that mindset. If I know I need to go with this more like recuperative type of training, I just, I can't be in the heavy metal section. I've just, yeah, it's hip hop or fucking country. If that's the case, that'll keep me chill. You know what I'm saying? If I put something on, that gets me all hyped, it's real hard. All my logic went out the window and it just became now. I'm at war with the way. That's what I'm at war.
Starting point is 00:19:38 I'm handling, but you did have a good workout though. I did because I didn't hurt myself. You know, I was done, I was like, yeah, thank you for. That's funny speaking of what. So, like this morning, I was getting my first coffee and I went into Starbucks and I had this really awkward moment where I used to go to pizza lot, right? And I, like, they know me by face, they know my order and they know all that stuff. And one of the baristas from there,
Starting point is 00:20:01 like the manager even was in the Starbucks ordering, like, right after me, and I looked back and looked at it, and then we both had this moment, like I'm almost like, what are you doing here? Yeah. And he's like, well, I'd like Starbucks. And I'm like, is that allowed? He was from-
Starting point is 00:20:15 He's from Pete's. Oh wow. He's like the Pete's manager. And I was like, this is so weird. You know, like, I've had things like that where somebody's wearing a shirt that's like the opposing, you know, company. And I don't know, just I've had, I've had things like that where somebody's wearing a shirt that's like the opposing, you know, company. And I don't know, just they created this weird awkward boat.
Starting point is 00:20:29 We both kind of shuffled away from each other. Thank you, see one of those trucks that says Coke on it and they're delivering Coke, the guys drinking a Pepsi. Yeah. Hey, what's that? Yeah, you're like, you train her. Yeah. Pets has better, generally their coffees are better.
Starting point is 00:20:44 Yeah. I love the flavor of the. Starbucks, their nitro crushes. I mean, that's what they have. Like, come on, Pete's. Well, you know, it's startleboard. What Starbucks did so well is, you know, it's like the McDonald's thing. They're consistency, right? You know that, right?
Starting point is 00:20:58 So they burn their coffee at a certain temperature. So it's always the same. Yes, so it's always the same versus batches of beans being different, which is how coffee normally should be. Comogenized coffee. It should normally be kind of like different at every batch. You get a batch of beans that were grew on one side
Starting point is 00:21:15 versus the other side or came out two weeks earlier later. There should be some sort of a difference, but because they burn them, they burn them to a point where it's like it keeps the flavor consistent. And I think what makes people so attractive is that because you've been trained to like exactly that and we tend to gravitate towards those things that are normal and we're used to.
Starting point is 00:21:36 And so it's like a consistent ritual. Well Starbucks is espresso, it's terrible. It's awful dude. They have the worst espresso, it tastes like, it tastes burnt. Yeah, they need to add a shit ton of syrup to everything, just to make it go down. Yeah, but weren't the founders of Starbucks
Starting point is 00:21:52 and Pete's partners? Yeah, I think yeah, I think they branched off and created Pete's. They were partners and I believe one of the partners wanted to stop selling. Yeah, they were related at one point. Like, like related, like blood related, or related they toured.
Starting point is 00:22:09 I don't know all the details, but Howard Schultz ended up buying at least the Starbucks up in Seattle, which was a break off from the same people who started Pete's. Well, interesting. And it reminds me of two. You remember Home Depot, like Lowe's actually
Starting point is 00:22:24 is a spin off of too. You remember Home Depot? Like, uh, Lowe's actually is a spin off of that. I guess it was the divorced wife created, uh, Lowe's. Fact check me on that dog, but that was another like interesting thing. Like, it's like the same thing. I don't know how I would do with that, like, because I'm such a competitive person anyway. Yeah. Like, when are you guys leaving and starting another fitness podcast? Mine strengths. Yeah, my whole, like, Yeah, my whole like I'm gonna fucking crush. I already thought about this. Yeah, pump mine.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Yeah, pump mine. So like that, you're like, oh, we're gonna crush everyone. But I believe that they had different ideas of how coffee should be made, what they should sell or something like that. And so that's why pizza and Starbucks have such a different feel. Like I feel like pizza's a little bit more... Stronger. Not just that, but it's more of the...
Starting point is 00:23:08 Like hipster. Yeah, they're a little bit more hipster with their coffee. What's more hipster with their coffee? Yeah, a little more man-bunced. They don't know how to change tires. What the fuck is that mean? Exactly. More flannels, but they don't chop wood.
Starting point is 00:23:20 They try to stay more true to the coffee. I don't know. I don't know. Do you know that all started, right? Like they try to stay more true to the like coffee. I don't know. I don't know. The deal. You know that all started right? The founders went to Italy and saw just how a tie-ins loved all the different coffees that they drank and everything. And at the time people laughed at them for even pitching that in America because Americans
Starting point is 00:23:41 were like, we just like our drip, you know, or regular coffee, no one's gonna spend five bucks on it. So Doug just pulled it up. It's actually Pete's who owned Starbucks originally. Mm-hmm. Oh wow. Yeah, I didn't know that. So, and I'm assuming Howard Schultz came in
Starting point is 00:23:56 and was probably the... So they started Pete's and then spinned off with Starbucks? Yeah, and I'm assuming that he was like the marketing genius. Yeah, Howard Schultz who went to Italy and saw what they're doing over there, and he had this idea, and I don't think anybody else was on board with it, so he ended up buying it. And it's kind of interesting story.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Apparently Bill Gates's father got involved with the purchase of that from the Pete's guys, because some very wealthy person in Seattle was gonna buy the Starbucks out from under Howard Schultz. And Schultz had just kind of cobbled together as many assets as he could to buy it. And so somehow Bill Gates's father Bill Gates Sr., who's an attorney, knew this rich guy and said, hey, this guy Howard really wants to buy this. Can you step aside?
Starting point is 00:24:40 And so apparently that's how he got Starbucks originally. Wow, you know what, that makes me want to read. I almost bought that book like five different times when I was in Barnes and Noble. I should read it now. Yeah, this is always cool stories. I actually have one that I don't know. I definitely have to fact check me on this one, Doug.
Starting point is 00:24:55 Like in terms of like Red Bull's origin story and like how they're out, you know, somewhere in like the Eastern part of Europe. And they came across this, this energy drink or whatever these people drink in. And somebody said that one of the ingredients is like touring and so touring, they're saying, is like part of, it's like bullcom.
Starting point is 00:25:14 Yeah, bullseeing man, I've heard that. It's an amino acid, people so funny about that. Okay, so it's not that they're mixing bullcom and they're no morning drink. No, no, no, dude. Maybe bull gizz has amino acids in it? I'm sure it probably does. I mean, because people do some weird shit.
Starting point is 00:25:32 But that's where they got the name Red Bull then, from, huh? Probably. Torine. That's actually from Thailand. Thailand. Oh, Thailand, okay. So have you guys ever had the... Like, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:25:43 The uncarbinated tie version of Red Bull? If you ever had this. So they're sold. So I used, when I used to manage the 24 on Hillsdale, one of my trainers, Mike Swick, who ended up becoming a... UFC guy. Yeah, he actually has gyms over Tyler.
Starting point is 00:25:59 He does, he's got gyms in, great, super smart dude. Love that guy, super cool Humble Guy, great fighter too. I think at one point he was ranked Number two or three in his way class and you have seen anyway. He was a trainer that worked for me So I hired him he comes in he's the trainer cross-street at aka because you know They're across the street and that's him before that's when he started getting into Jiu-Jitsu But he'd always been doing Muay Thai and so he would come and talk to the fitness manager about, you know, my fitness manager about going and taking time off to go train in Thailand.
Starting point is 00:26:29 My FM came to me and asked me, you know, what do you think about that is that cool. And I liked Mike. He was a great trainer. He wasn't one of the top producers, but he was good. And so I said, yeah, that's not a problem. And so Mike would leave for two weeks at a time or whatever to go train Muay Thai.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Well, Mike was really grateful that we let him do that and whatever. So he came back and he brought me this little pack of these glass bottles. They were about this big. So they're like this big and they were red bull. It was all tie riding and there was no carbonation. Was it their branding on it?
Starting point is 00:27:01 It was red bull. Oh, wow, really? And it was no carbonation. It was kind of syrupy and sweet wow really? And it was no carbonation. It was kind of therapy and sweet or whatever. Yeah. And it was strong as fuck. Huh. Like you drink that and you were just like just tastes like cough syrup or what it tasted just like Red Bull no carbonation. No, that's a weird. And it was a little bit maybe a little more concentrated or whatever. Yeah. So every time he'd go to Thailand, he'd come back and he'd bring me this pack of
Starting point is 00:27:22 these little glass, you know, red bull drinks or whatever. Right, super strong, huh? They were super strong. And they were on fine. That's how I first started drinking. Interesting. Isn't that funny? Yeah, that is.
Starting point is 00:27:32 And they were very connected. Red Bull in Thailand was connected to the tie fighting space. I've seen it on a lot of the shorts and stuff. Yeah, that was like a big thing about them. You know, I have something interesting that Rachel told me a couple days ago that I didn't even know. So I have, you know, my favorite Viori pants that I have, there's this zipper on the side of them. And the seam on one of them, probably because my legs are getting so massive, they started to separate a little bit.
Starting point is 00:27:58 Yeah, weird. If I smaller something, I'm stupid. So they started to separate. I was like, oh man, and I was in the office, and I was kind of venting toward this. This is the first piece of Viori, anything that I've had that something's been, you know, default or torn or had a problem with. And she's like, well, just send it back to him. They'll give you a brand new pair. And I'm like,
Starting point is 00:28:18 what do you mean, those give me a brand new pair? She's like, yeah, you don't know that they have their set up like Nordstroms. You guys know that that like you if you have issues with any of their Any of their clothing. It doesn't matter how long go you bought. Yeah, is that crazy? What so yeah, they're like Nordstrom Wow, I didn't even know that So before I was like I've been fucking walk around with this fucking thing but up for like at least three weeks So I looked into it because I had a tear in one of my sleeves might have been caused by me I'm not your forum workouts to get it Same talking about same thing. Yeah, I'm not. You're form workouts to get it. You know what I mean? Same talking about you.
Starting point is 00:28:46 Same thing. You know, I know what you're talking about. But if it's weird, I'm out of that loop, you know. Justin's clothes never ripped. My ass is like, yeah, but bursting at the scene. Yeah. Oh, you gotta throw that in. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:58 If it's before 60 days, then you can get money back. If it's after 60 days, it doesn't matter how long after, store credit. Yeah, it's dope. I know. Yeah, I know. I think that's a, do you think that's a good move or a bad move? Well, I think it's like we are with our programs. I mean, there's, well, they are a high. They know that they're quality. Yeah. I think that's what it is. And it's like, yeah, every now and then you're going to get an example like that. So it'll be very few examples where, you know, the clothes might like have something, you know, defect, but they're like, okay, we'll give you a better one. Yeah. That's great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:28 I think when you, I think when you know you have a badass product, you can stand by that. And I think you don't lose. Plus, they're not like a super low-cost product. So their customers are people who want quality and service. Right. I'm saying, like, you're not going to get that one. Yeah. Like, I don't want my money back. I want another pair. I love those. I have like four pair already and this is the first pair that this has happened to. And so I'm not like interested in,
Starting point is 00:29:50 oh, give me my fucking $80 back or whatever. It's like, give me another pair please. Oh, I got to tell you guys funny stories. So, you know how we all got Disney plus, right? So now I've got access to all these Disney cartoons. My daughter's like, freaking out. Oh, I know, isn't that great? Yeah, she's freaking out, right?
Starting point is 00:30:05 But did you guys know, by the way, side note, that on the old cartoons when you pull them up on Disney Plus, they'll have like a little warning at the top, like this has a smoking cigars and it says like a weird language. Outdated gender, you know, stereotypes or whatever. I didn't see that. Yes, it'll say shit like that.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Really? Yes. Well, I'll say shit like that. Really? Yes. Well, I've told you what all these new Disney, how they've changed some of the songs and when they remade them and stuff like that. So we're watching Lady in the Tramp. Do you guys remember that one? Yeah, I just watched that.
Starting point is 00:30:35 Did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Lady in the Tramp. I was kinda like watching it. Which by the way, okay, it's the most stereotype Italian people of all time in that movie. Come on, when he gets the pasta, and he's gets the pasta and he's even with the an old one. It's an old one. So in the-
Starting point is 00:31:06 It's like one of the original 10 then, right? Yeah, so in there, I'm watching it with my daughter and with Jessica and it's great. I used to watch it when I was a kid. And there's the scene where the ladies owners, the woman or whatever becomes pregnant. And so then ladies in the, you know, and there's all these, they're having like a baby shower.
Starting point is 00:31:24 So they have all the women in one room, and they're like, oh my God, you're so radiant. You're so beautiful, you look so gorgeous right now. And then lady walks into the men, where the men are, and like you've never looked worse, you look fucking tired, like they're talking shit to them. And I'm laughing because it highlights such a, that is such a clear example of the differences
Starting point is 00:31:41 between men and women. Men and women are so different with how we talk to each other. Why do we fuck with each other so bad? I don't know, but that's just how it is. The other one, the other thing that was funny was pimples. When you have a pimple on your body, what does your girl do? Oh yeah, I was talking about this this morning. I have one that's like festering right now.
Starting point is 00:32:02 I was like doing squats. I'm just going to be all out in the open with this. Apparently this is off limits, I guess, but. Yeah, dude, I put the bar on there and it's just like, ugh, it's irritated a little bit more. And it's just been like this annoying thing. And of course, Courtney spots it like, oh, like a heat-seeking missile.
Starting point is 00:32:23 You know, it comes and like starts like touch it. I'm like, don't touch it. Let it go through the process of becoming a mountain. And then we attack it. You attack it too early, dude, it ruins it. Jessica tries to find things on my body. She can squeeze and I don't get it. I, do you guys ever have an urge to do that on anybody else?
Starting point is 00:32:42 No, disgusting. That is such a female thing. It's 100%. Don't they have like Instagram pages like dedicated to that? Millions of views. Like not like almost like a bit like, there's so many views like.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Yes. Has his own TV show now, Dr. Pimple Popper. Yes. Yes, she has her own TV show of just like. Yeah, like okay, and this one. Yep. I cannot even think about watching something like that. It makes me want to throw up.
Starting point is 00:33:07 Jessica will watch it for hours. Yeah, it's like her favorite thing. I'm like, what are you looking at? She's like, it's so satisfying, like disgusting. That is weird to me. I feel like she's like, it's like, you know, like, we evolved from like monkeys, you know what I mean? She's like, that's the most weird thing I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:33:20 You know what I'm saying? What is it about us that we do that they think the same way? Cause that's something that I'm like, repulsed by. Oh, that guys do that, don't? That we do that's just weird like that. I don't know, I mean, sit on the couch and like put your hand on,
Starting point is 00:33:35 you know, scratching yourself. Maybe. I do. I do a lot. I don't even mean to just do it. Just hold your crotch. Yeah. Well, here's a good one is,
Starting point is 00:33:43 you ever have your girl tell you like you're like, Hey, where's the mayonnaise? Oh, it's in the fridge and you open the fridge and you just look. Yeah, you don't need to see it. You scan, you're like, it's not in there. Yeah. And then she comes over and she moves things and it's in the back. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:57 And like, you never move anything. This happens right for your face and I didn't see it. This happens so many times to me that I'm like, why do you, and it's like, it's like a stereotype, right? That men can't find something in to me that I'm like, why do, and it's like a stereotype, right? That men can't find something in the world. I'm like, why do we do that? Why is that stereotype exist? And here's my theory.
Starting point is 00:34:11 My theory is that, because we're hunters, right? When we're looking at things visually, we don't want to disturb or make any noise. So we just look, if we don't see it, it's not there. Yeah, yeah. There, since they were the gatherers, they're moving things and finding the stuff. So, it's just like, why don't see it, it's not there. There, since they were the gatherers, they're moving things and finding the stuff. So, and she's like, why don't you move things
Starting point is 00:34:28 and it doesn't cross my mind to put my hand in the fridge? Well, it's not moving. Yeah, I mean, so I can't see it. You need to move. I have my spear ready to throw the mayonnaise. It's not in there. I don't know what's going on. I think that's what it is.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Anyway, did you, you guys know how Butcherbox has heritage pork? Do you guys know what Heritage Pork is? No. Do you guys know what this is? No, it's old, like old bacon. So I did some reading about this. I'm not a huge pork guy. Do you guys like pork?
Starting point is 00:34:54 Yeah. I like bacon. I mean, bacon's the big one, right? I'm not a huge generally, you know. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, occasionally. Why I told you we've been doing the pork shoulder in the, in the, um, crock pot. And we were doing that for a hot man.
Starting point is 00:35:08 I was doing that with the protein rice for a home to a point where I was like, okay, it's enough. We were having like every week for at least a few months. Yeah, we'll do chops every now and then there's a good. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's true, actually, Adam. I was gonna start doing that. But anyway, heritage pork is raised very, very differently. They are allowed to roam freely.
Starting point is 00:35:27 They don't produce nearly as much waste. They're produced much more humanely. They use either way less antibiotics or no antibiotics. Essentially, heritage pork is the healthy version or a much healthier version of regular pork. Like the animal itself is much healthier. It's not the factory farming where they keep them contained and they produce shit tons of waste
Starting point is 00:35:52 and they make them fat real quick or whatever. It's just a much better animal. Oh wow. Yeah, so I didn't know the difference. I think there was a name for that. It's called Heritage Pork. If you look it up. Well, they label that on like most on like grocery stores
Starting point is 00:36:04 where you see that, do you know? If you go it up, well, they label that on like most on like grocery stores. Will you see that? Do you know if you go to the if you go to a grocery store, if it says Heritage Pork, then that's what it is. If it doesn't, it's not. So the but it's it's raised far more humanely and allowed to roam and they, it's much better for the environment because the waste that they produced is spread out over all the land or whatever. It's just a much better animal or whatever. So good, it's good.
Starting point is 00:36:29 So I was looking that up. And so now I'm gonna start ordering more. Normally I'm not a huge pork consumer, but we have more of it now. Well, we bought a pig a long time ago, like from, they went through the whole process of, what do they call that club? Where they raise animals and then all the way to FHA or
Starting point is 00:36:49 What's the FHA FFA is it future farmers of America? It's like that, but yeah, that's not looking for You get what I'm going but yeah, like so this family raised and then presented it and won awards with it and everything. It was like award winning pig. And then so we got to eat after, but you knew the people personally and you knew that they took care of it like it was like, yeah, their own. That's FFA, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:37:14 Is that what it is? I don't know. Yeah, okay. And that's where you go in with the- My farm knowledge is lacking. I know. I feel like I should know this. And I'm hoping that I'm my right.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Yeah, you were on forums, dude Yeah, well, I mean what he's asking though is to like out of my out of my wheelhouse. You were a big pig guy You're a cow expert. Yeah, you're raising the price pigs Yeah, cows and almonds and chickens. Yeah, so that's squeezing them out Hey, did you guys see the update on the whole Epstein, you know, he's alive? No, no, no see the update on the whole Epstein, you know, he's alive. No, no, no, no, yeah, that would be the most interesting. No, the guards that were in charge, I got to pull it up, dude, because this is actually kind of crazy. The guards that were in charge of, you know, supposedly, they all have amnesia.
Starting point is 00:37:57 We're supposed to check on a four-age club. No, check this out, dude. Sorry, so they got brought in for the what? The four-age club. Yeah, that's who brought in for the what? The 4-H club. Yeah, that's who raised the pig and that's a thing where they present animals and get rewards. Just pop that up. Yeah, that's how my brain works.
Starting point is 00:38:14 Back to Epstein. So the guards got called in for investigation because Epstein was, he was supposed to be watched. And it's almost impossible to commit suicide in in this situation Like I don't know if you guys know this but they don't yeah, they should they're like checking is supposed to be checking Not only did you check you but the sheets that you have on your bed are almost The consistency of paper so you can't hang yourself with it They don't give you any utensils or anything like that or because they know people try to commit suicide
Starting point is 00:38:42 Mm-hmm, but yet he did and nobody checked. And so they investigated the guards, well, check this out. They've been, they've been brought, they've been indicted on federal charges. Oh wow. So check this out. They ignored more than 75 mandatory checks. 75. 75 mandatory checks.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Then they fabricated records to cover it up. Oh wow. This whole thing, like, if, how can you not think, mandatory checks, then they fabricated records to cover it up. This whole thing, how can you not think this is a conspiracy? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Is there anybody who doesn't? Is there actually people that are doing this? Yeah, there's people making all this. I mean, is it actually gonna make its way to court
Starting point is 00:39:19 and people get busted for this? Or is this just gonna be like, yeah, we all know it happened. It's almost like the whole OJ trial thing where you, like, you're right. A book about it later. Yeah, you're right. But I think that to be, if I did, you know, like, kill myself or like pretend to, this is how it look.
Starting point is 00:39:35 Anyway, we'll see if these guys commit suicide too. Yeah, right. Or also, everybody has amnesia, dude. I, I feel like what they're, what they can potentially uncover is going to be so explosive that I don't know if people are even ready to hear it. You know what I mean? Yeah. It goes really far down, you know, the rabbit hole. Well, that's what the conspiracy theorists say. They say that it goes to all kinds of extremely powerful people to, you know, the royal family in England, top politicians in the US on both sides of the aisle, celebrities
Starting point is 00:40:09 that you would think are great people like Oprah, Tom Hanks, like crazy. Are you just throwing random names on this? I was gonna say, like how dare you. Tom Hanks played Mr. Rogers, it comes out Thursday, right? I don't ruin it for me. No, no, no, I've heard, again, these are conspiracy theorists that are saying that these people, who knows, but. Are they flat, earth are conspiracy theorists?
Starting point is 00:40:31 Or are they like, you know, that's the thing with some sort of credible. Yeah, you never know, right? Anyway, do you guys know what pants for me? Do you guys know what pants burmia is? Yeah, I do. Yeah, it's just and brought it up before. I love it.
Starting point is 00:40:42 It's like my favorite theory. Yeah, where basically you're getting bacteria or life forms from wherever else in the universe that just ride a comet and then hit the earth and then it creates diversity of life that way. Yeah, so the theory is that meteors seeded the earth. That's why it's pan-spirmia. Seated the earth with the building blocks for life. Or some people will take it a step further and say that the meteors themselves brought life to earth.
Starting point is 00:41:12 And that's how earth got the start with life. But we didn't we don't really have, you know, we didn't have a lot of evidence supporting this. It was just a theory. Well, researchers recently found the first direct evidence that this may actually be the case. They found ribose, ribose is a sugar that is essential for the production of RNA, which can lead to production of DNA. They found them on meteorites that have landed or have hit earth. So this is the first time they actually have evidence that pan spermia may actually be a real thing. Didn't we accidentally
Starting point is 00:41:51 do that to Mars or yeah like we accidently. Oh, whoops, like added some like little micro you know organisms that like made it's way how what are they called? They were bears right? Yeah, little bear. Yes, remember they were little bears. They're called water bears. But yes, the actual technical term is something they grow up and get water. They look like little bears. They don't look like bears. They do too. No, they did a little pig bears. It's not a good, you know, little short arms and a big big big belly. They're called something bears. No, there's something that was their name. Maybe by Farther. It's hard to great. That's a dumb name. Yeah, I like big bears. I like big bears. They could have Mars's little bears on there. Yeah, what have we done?
Starting point is 00:42:32 Anyway, I blame you Elon. What's this? What's this deal with these? Have you guys seen this this like we surgeons in amateur fighting on TV? Yeah, somebody we just remember we were just talking about that. Brad, come Martin and yeah, yeah, yeah, a couple episodes ago. And we're speculating on oh, it will die. And I was saying no, I don't think it will. I think it's becoming a thing where people are more interested in seeing these amateurs that are famous people fight each other. And after that conversation, somebody DM me and said that barstool sports has like a, you know, a rough and rowdy like league that is amateur boxing. I think it's only like two or three rounds long. And it's just they throw a couple amateurs in there and they go at it. And it's supposedly it's blowing up. It's a it'll it'll blow up and it'll go away. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:20 It's like it has before. Remember remember what a tough man contest. Tough man. You know when the UFC first started when the UFC first started. That's like it has before. Remember, remember what a tough man contest. Yeah, tough man. You know, when the UFC first started, when the UFC first started, that's what it was, right? The UFC was martial artists who were not professional fighters, fighting in the cage. There were no rules. But in order for the UFC to really grow, I had to turn into what it is today with some rules and become and have really, really good fighters. The reason why I, and this is its novelty. The reason why I, I argue with you on that is because we are in a different time now because, and I wish I had, I wish I had good analytics to debate this,
Starting point is 00:43:54 but this is just me speculating. But, you know, your average professional boxing fight, you know, how many people are viewing that on HBO or whatever they're saying, right? It's probably in the low millions, wouldn't you say, if millions on a low level professional fight on HBO, I don't know, I'm just guessing, right? And if you're somebody like a Logan Paul or one of these guys who've got 10 million plus followers that are following you, you have access to an audience
Starting point is 00:44:26 that is already interested in who you are, regardless that you might fight somebody. And we all know that just as humans, that the drama and all that, we'll gravitate towards. So we've never had this before. You've never had a boxer be, have that big of a network before they became a famous boxer.
Starting point is 00:44:48 So it's kind of like reverse now. And so it makes me go, will it? Because maybe these people are so famous that they already have a network of people that wanna see them do anything. They wanna see them squeeze lemons in their eyes. They wanna see them do fucking, you know. But the novelty's gone.
Starting point is 00:45:04 Once they do the fight and you see them do the fight unless they're good, the novelty wears off. Really? I mean, it's like, bro, watch a celebrity, okay, so let's say when you're top favorite celebrities, you're like, oh my god, it's art. But it's screech. Yeah, whatever.
Starting point is 00:45:18 You did that. I know, I saw that fight. You'll watch it once or twice, but then if they suck, you're like, I'm not gonna watch that again. They have to keep coming up with new ways of getting your attention. Now, here's the way that I think it might succeed, is because of the internet,
Starting point is 00:45:30 and it doesn't require as much money to put the shit together. Right. So, they may be just on the internet type of deal. There's not a lot of money behind it, or where Kimbo's last kind of proved that model. Remember when he was doing his backyard? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:42 You know, fights or whatever. Right. So, maybe like that, but I don't think it'll ever, you know, fights or whatever. And so maybe like that, but I don't think it'll ever reach the levels of, or come close to, I'm wondering about the taboo, like sort of the political, the PC culture and like cryic closets and all that,
Starting point is 00:45:56 if there's like underground, like energy that, you know, on these college campuses that they do want, like, you know, some kind of fight club thing. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's going to keep going. I really do. I don't think we're going to see a die off at all.
Starting point is 00:46:09 I think we're ushering in a new time of what people want to see. And at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if it's recognized by pay-per-view or a league and it's official, if it's making money. Yeah. If it's making millions of dollars, it's proven that people are tuning in and watching and they want more of it. We keep going back to that wealth. Yeah, amazing.
Starting point is 00:46:29 So you're making a good point. If you're, I mean, where I agree with you is like, nobody who's in the sport will ever respect it. You know, if you're somebody who's in the sport of boxing, and you're like, fuck that, you know, saying like, you won't watch it, you will find this probably disrespectful. You're overestimating the entertainment value of shitty fighters.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Shitty fighters for the most part, they're not fun to watch. They get tired. Sloppy. Sloppy. Yeah, it's brutal. I look at it more like this. You know, back to, I brought up before the,
Starting point is 00:46:59 you know, Mori Povitch and what's his face? It's Jerry Springer. Jerry Springer, era. I mean, those people that were fighting, no one's a professional on that, we're tuning in because it's drama. It's drama and it's entertainment and people love watching car crashes.
Starting point is 00:47:13 And so that's what they're gonna tune in. And who better than someone who is already a celebrity? Oh, he is. With another celebrity that are going at it. I just, I think that we're in a new time and people are. Yeah, but people actually going to watch the fight itself. Look at it, I just, I think that we're in a new time and people are- Yeah, but people actually going to watch the fight itself. Look at you, Saul. They look like they sold it or not.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Yeah, but it's, again, I mean, I think there's gonna be a fad element to it. I don't think it's gonna be a big, like you're not gonna be able to make a league out of it. Listen, I'm not defending it because I think it's fucking cool when I like it or I watch it, but I mean, there's- I'm sure fights are boring. There's a lot of things that are, I was just talking to my cousin the other day who's got you know who's Like making me privy to What's the what's the streaming thing that Gary V always talks about that everyone's twitch?
Starting point is 00:47:57 Oh, are you familiar with twitch and how that all my son will watch a video gamers on there? Yeah, I mean, that's, would you ever have thought if I told you that people would pay money to sit and watch another kid play video games if I told you that a decade ago? Would you? Yeah, I was confused by that, but then I remember when I was a kid, I loved watching my friend's older brother play because he was awesome at it. You know, and you're just sitting there, whoa, like that's the potential of what you can do.
Starting point is 00:48:23 So to that point, I look at this like today's modern Jerry Springer, the same fucking people that would stare and watch fucking Jerry Springer at 11 o'clock at night, every single night at whatever, those same people now are watching or those type of people, the things that they like like that are watching these celebrity people, you know, do get out and talk shit. And if you want to look at a market that plays with these celebrity people, you know, do get out and talk shit. And if you want to look at a market
Starting point is 00:48:46 that plays with that a lot, go look at the Russian fighting market. I love them. They have, this is for real. They fight with like swords. But this is for a crazy, they have gang fights. So in the cage, it'll be five against five. They have like, what Justin's saying,
Starting point is 00:49:02 weapons fights, they're in there with swords and armor. Have you seen the ones where they like have boxes and like things like platforms that they could step up on and then they still fight on levels? That's like, what do we do? They have arm wrestling matches where you can arm wrestle and you either beat the guy by beating him in arm wrestling or you can knock him out.
Starting point is 00:49:19 So the punch is, I saw somebody on Instagram tagged me on like where these guys were boxing and you were tied to another person Yes, so our our backs were tied to each other and we're like a team and we're fighting another two guys that are like tied together I thought that was fucking hilarious But it's novelty. It's novelty. I so I love fight sports and I watched the gang one I was like four against four and like this gonna be fucking awesome It's not awesome because here's what happens
Starting point is 00:49:44 One guy knocks another guy out and then before you know it's two against one or three You're stumps on and then you don't want to watch anymore like this is terrible I don't want to watch this fucking thing anymore. This is horrible. It's brutal, dude This quas brought to you by organify For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organify fills the gap with laboratory-tested, certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge.
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Starting point is 00:50:33 So a really common question. Now one answer that I've heard often that I, I can see the value in, but I also disagree slightly with is to stick in a rep range until your body stops responding. I get the rationale behind that. There's some value to it, but here's why I tend to disagree with that. Once you hit a plateau in your training, getting out of a plateau can be a little bit of a difficult thing. It can kind of be a part of it. Not to mention it. It's like on a spectrum, right? So it's like, when you hit the hard plateau, your progress was already starting to slow down,
Starting point is 00:51:09 leading up to that. So in the perfect world, you know, and of course there's gonna be an individual variance with everybody, right, with this. But in the perfect world, you're transitioning out of a rep range after you've peaked, right? You've peaked and seen the max results from that rep range and then've peaked, right? You've peaked. And seeing the max results from
Starting point is 00:51:26 that rep range, and then you're transitioning to another rep before the plateau. Yeah, before well before the plateau even, right? And so you're probably trying to, you want to land somewhere between plateau time and peak and somewhere in there. And that's why we've, we've geared most of our programs in that three to four week range. And you know, some studies will show that it's up to six weeks where people are seeing phenomenal results from a rep range or a program before they have to transition out. But we find that kind of sweet spot and it's of course again, there's a challenge there is the mental discipline part of it. Like to be able to then transition before, right as you're feeling like you're just in
Starting point is 00:52:04 the groove, like you do hit that Absolutely, you do hit that peak, you know, and it's contagious I would say it does not well when you guys say that's is we do this all the time We and we admittedly say this Totally getting stuck in a in a phase where you know you're getting strong and you hit a PR and it's like Oh next week I want to do it again. Oh my god I'm seeing more strength gains and you get addicted to that. And more often than not, we probably stay in rep ranges
Starting point is 00:52:29 longer than we should, especially when we know that sweet spot is somewhere between that three to six week range. Oh yeah, you can get addicted to the sweat in the pump that you get from high reps or supersets. You get addicted to the strength that you get from the low reps. I tend to get stuck in the low rep range, but in my experience working with most people,
Starting point is 00:52:52 I would say around three weeks, typically, is when you'd want to switch. It's around three weeks. I think it's important though that we talk about what the studies show and then why we recommend that way, because the studies will show that it's almost exactly the same. Somebody who phases every three to six weeks versus somebody who is changing every single day. Yeah, so like Monday, low wraps, Wednesday, you know, higher wraps versus somebody who goes low wraps for three weeks and then switches to higher. Right. So the studies will show that those two people are about the same. Yes. There's not much of a difference. So that that's what we know.
Starting point is 00:53:26 And that's where someone will come back and be like, oh, the study you show this, well, here's, that's true. But what I have found training so many people for so long is that when you do that, it's really hard to see what you're getting the best responses to, right? So why I like block training, OK? And doing it that way is staying consistent with it for a little bit gives us enough time to kind of like,
Starting point is 00:53:49 oh, okay, wow, I noticed when I transitioned to this rep range, I've seen all these benefits and it's easier for you to attach things to a way of training for your body. I think it just gives you, it's better data for you to get feedback and learn about your body and how it responds to ways of training versus, you know, muscle confusion, you know, theory of just throwing different exercises, different rep ranges all the time. Every week, you're constantly, you know, quote unquote, confusing the body. And what ends up happening is,
Starting point is 00:54:21 okay, sure, you see good results, fat loss and muscle building over the course of six months. But then if you ask that person, well, what do you benefit the most from? Do you benefit the most from low rep ranges, high rep ranges, or do you notice that you get inflammation when you train this way, or do you notice you get achy joints when you train that way?
Starting point is 00:54:39 Or they can't answer that because they have so much inconsistency with the way that they train, that they have a hard time isolating how their body is responding. And now the other reason why I support the blocks is because there's a different mental space that goes into training in different rep ranges. Like if I'm going to the gym and I'm training in the four or five rep range with longer rest periods. It's a different mental state.
Starting point is 00:55:09 I'm going in there lift heavy. I'm my rest periods are longer. I'm not focused on the pump. I really don't care about that. It's about moving the weight. It's not as much about feeling the muscle as much as it is. Perfecting the form and maximizing my leverage and biomechanics to get the most weight up. High reps. I'm going in there. I'm not, don't give a shit about how much weight I'm a maximizing my leverage and biomechanics to get the most weight up. High reps, I'm going in there,
Starting point is 00:55:26 I'm not, don't give a shit about how much weight I'm lifting. I'm about feeling the muscle, getting the pump, I'm keeping my heart rate up. It's a completely different feel. And when I've trained clients, I've found that if I keep them in a block, it gets them to do a better job training in that reference.
Starting point is 00:55:44 That's a good point. because they're consistent with it. They get really good at low-rep training. They get to practice all the elements of training besides the reps themselves. It's that state of mind that they get to practice more consistently. And so it just has more value for most people. Now if you're advanced, like if you've been training
Starting point is 00:56:02 for a long time and you're super advanced, that's fine. You can change your rep ranges, each workout and you're advanced, like if you've been training for a long time and you're super advanced, that's fine. You can change your rep ranges, you know, each workout and you're probably okay because you know your body, you know, but most people aren't like that. Most people are beginner to intermediate. Most people are not in that unconscious competence stage, in which case I would say stay in the rep range for,
Starting point is 00:56:20 you know, three, four weeks and then move out and each time you're in there, get really good at that rep range and then move to out and each time you're in there get really good at that rep range and then move to the next one and practice that one and get really good at that one. Next question is from Danny Girl. I am confused about the whole bulk and cut thing. Can I cut calories and still gain muscle? Okay, so, so here's the thing with with with calories. Think think about it this way. Calories are okay, so if I'm trying to build a house, I first have to... You need the material. Yeah, the materials. I have to... The wood, the concrete, you know, all the stuff. That's it, so I have to have, I have to first
Starting point is 00:56:55 off have the plans or order the house to be built. There's the signal. We got to build this house. I'm going to need the workers. They're the ones that are going to be piecing the house together. So that's the capability to build the house. But then I need the building blocks. If I have the workers in the order, but I have no cement, I have no bricks, I have no wood, I have no nothing, um, the house isn't going to get built. So- So when you're building your body, you need the signal, which is the resistance training or the workout. That sends the signal. That's like the order to start building. Then you need the workers. That's your body's ability to build muscle.
Starting point is 00:57:32 And that comes from, you know, the prope was a signal appropriate. Did I overdo it? Did I underdo it? Am I getting good sleep? All that stuff. But then I need the building blocks. And that's the calories.
Starting point is 00:57:41 That's the proteins and the carbohydrates and the fats, which I'll play a role in building your body. So if you're trying to build muscle, you probably are going to need more calories than you need to just stay the same. That's what bulking is. You're just giving your body more building blocks to build muscle and more means above what it takes for your body to stay the same. Now is it possible to eat less calories and still build muscle?
Starting point is 00:58:10 It is, but it's also very unlikely, but it is possible and it's through what's called calorie repartitioning. So what that basically means is, if my calories are low, my body's gonna burn or take some building blocks from my body fat, and then use that for building muscle or help that's gonna help the process. And we see this most often if we do see it in newbies.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Yeah. Somebody who's never touched the way the Goldilocks window. Right, you've never touched weights or even if you're somebody who's trained before but you haven't trained for the last six months to a year and you've been off and then you get back in the gym, we tend to see this during this time period but then quickly your body adapts and then you don't see those and you've been off and then you get back in the gym. We tend to see this during this time period, but then quickly your body adapts and then
Starting point is 00:58:47 you don't see those and you need, it's unfortunate that we use terms like bulk and cut. The bulk sounds so unattractive for a client who comes to me and says, Adam, I want to reduce body fat and build some muscle, but I care. I don't want to bulk up, right? Because that's normally the follow up statement to, yeah, I want to reduce body fat and build some muscle, but I care, I don't want to bulk up, right? Because that's normally the follow-up statement too. Yeah, I want to be tight and firm, and I want to build muscle atom, but I don't want to bulk up.
Starting point is 00:59:11 Like, how many female clients have told you that before sitting in front of you? And then you have to explain what building muscle. I blame the marketing. I mean, especially for a lot of these cardiovascular machines that they're out there saying, like, you're going to lose weight and build muscle. And you're just like, wait a minute,
Starting point is 00:59:26 like, what are you talking about? Like, we have to decipher what goal it is you're specifically trying to accomplish first and then, you know, like, proceed to the next. Right. You know, you're not gonna have them both simultaneously. Like, they're two opposing, you know, animals there that we're trying to do.
Starting point is 00:59:43 Now, cutting is the opposite. Cutting is consuming less calories than your body's burning. So you think to yourself, well, how can my body burn more calories than I'm eating? Where is it getting the energy to sustain itself? If I'm not consuming enough to sustain itself, well, your body gets it from its stored energy, which is your body fat.
Starting point is 01:00:05 So your body will not go into its stores of body fat unless you're consuming less calories, unless your body thinks it needs to, unless you're consuming less calories, then you're burning. If you're not doing that, if I'm consuming as many calories as I'm burning or more, my body has no reason to go in. It's like this. Look, if you're, would you tap into your savings account, if you're making, you're making enough money to sustain yourself, there's no need to tap into my bank account.
Starting point is 01:00:34 I got cash in my wallet all the time. There's absolutely no need. Well, that's what your body is doing. So, cutting is the process of eating less calories than your body's burning. Bolking is the process of eating more calories than your body's burning. Bolking is the process of eating more calories than your body's burning. Now we've gone into the details because you could do them both wrong. You could go, you could bulk with too many calories or cut too many calories. And there's lots of strategies on how to maximize the benefits and minimize the, you know,
Starting point is 01:01:01 the detriment of doing either one. But you know, what we're talking about now is kind of giving you that, that general overall idea of what they mean. So the second part was, can I cut calories and still gain muscle? Yes, it can happen. Very, very difficult and very unlikely though. So I wouldn't aim for that. Next question is from SS Turley.
Starting point is 01:01:22 What is the best way to strengthen risks? I'm looking to learn a handstand, but my risks give out first. is from SS Turley, what is the best way to strengthen risks? I'm looking to learn a handstand, but my risks give out first. So, strengthening risks in the context of this question, which is my risk hurt when I'm doing, because when you're doing a handstand or pushups, I've had a lot of clients who talk about how it hurts their risks, so they do yoga,
Starting point is 01:01:40 because they're in that like extended position or whatever. And they're now applying all this excess of pressure and load. It is. And so it's, this is, you know, strength is a piece of it, but to be more specific, this is mobility. It says more to do with your wrist mobility. And there's excellent exercises that you could do to improve the connection to your, your wrist range of motion so that you're not relying on the joint.
Starting point is 01:02:06 Oh, Master's Pro addresses this. We address even the wrist. I mean, we go through every major joint in the body and I actually teach those wrist exercises that are in Prime Pro to a lot of my clients. A lot of clients that set at desk or on computers and that when you're in this fixed position and you're typing on a keyboard all day, you tend to lose that good mobility in your wrists, especially if you don't use it or do things like Indian clubs or Mace Swings or stuff like that that kind of challenge your wrist mobility and you get
Starting point is 01:02:36 older and you've been doing that for years. So it's a and what ends up happening to a lot of people, they lose the mobility in their wrists and then it ends up being forearm elbow pain and it radiates all the way up their body. So doing some of those mobility exercises, I don't know if we've done any of that on our YouTube channel. I'm trying to think right now. I don't think we've done risks. Yeah, I think that would be a great one to maybe make a note.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Maybe make a note, Doug, we'll do some mobility stuff. Well, one movement that I really like that we put in maps, OCR, because OCR, obstacle course racing, lots and lots of you need lots of hand strength work. Yeah, crazy. There's a rice bucket movement that I think is phenomenal. It's really easy. I can explain it on the podcast. You probably don't even need me to show you, but you get a bucket fill it with rice, stick your hand inside there and open and close your hand and grab some, like smash it down there real good. It's great because it provides natural resistance through the rice and that's just enough to get your stabilizing muscles to stimulate around your hand at the wrist. It is. Now here's another tip. I remember reading this years ago about pushups. I went through this whole, this stint where I wanted to get really, really good at pushups
Starting point is 01:03:47 and it would start to bother my wrist. And so what I would have to do is either grip on handles or get on my fists so that my wrist didn't hurt. And I wanna do that. I wanna be able to go on my palms. So I was doing some reading and martial artists who do lots and lots of pushups,
Starting point is 01:04:03 have some phenomenal techniques at preventing risk pain when you're in that position. And one of the things you can do, and it's so brilliant and so silly, I wish I learned this earlier, was while you're in that position, try to grip the floor, no joke. Like pretend like you're gripping the floor,
Starting point is 01:04:18 and what you're doing is you're activating the muscles that support your wrist, so that you're not just resting on the joint itself. And you're not obviously not going to grip the floor because you can't, but you just pretend like you are a grip that, and you're actually trying to push and turn a little bit, that added a little bit of rotation there through the elbow a lot of times to help to activate even more stimulus of support. Yeah, it's like turning two knobs while knobs. Why are you gripping the floor?
Starting point is 01:04:45 And you'll find that you'll actually get stronger at your pushups or handstands and you'll get less pain. And that's why I always speak to rotation in the FRC does a good job with this too. They're controlled articulating rotational movements for the joint because we're not expressing that all the time. That is a great way to stimulate more of a supported stabilization mechanism.
Starting point is 01:05:07 We were losing that by not expressing that movement. Next question is from Flaw 4581. If you could prescribe one physical activity or exercise to be done two to three times a week for the average person, what would it be? Walking. Yeah. Well, two to three times a week if you prescribe just one. Just one thing. Yeah. Resistance training. It's got to, it's got wins. Hands down. Yeah. Absolutely hands down. Now, here's why, now I know what you're going with walking. I think that's a fundamental movement. That's, and it's easy. It's easy
Starting point is 01:05:41 for people to do. Right, right. I mean, if I have somebody who knows how to barbell squat, then I would love to see you barbell squat two to three times a day, because you get it's pretty much hits everything from head to toe. And if you're only going to do one movement, that would be ideal. But if somebody is completely sedentary, I'm trying to get them to do something. They're doing nothing. And if I could get them to do one piece of physical activity, I would normally start with walking. Yeah, it's got the shortest learning curve.
Starting point is 01:06:09 Most people still know how to do it. There's less. You don't need to teach people. There's not a lot of instruction of all. Now that all being said, if we were to pick physical activity that people actually learn and did appropriately, resistance training, hands down. Hands down, there is no form of exercise that comes close to resistance training in terms of directly combating the problems that we encounter with modern life hands down. So think about it this way, modern
Starting point is 01:06:42 life super busy but sedative as hell. But we're also super busy. So two to three days a week, realistically, and this is something I try to communicate to fitness experts and influencers all the time is, I know the ideal thing is to communicate to people to work out all day long and every day or whatever, but the reality, I've learned through training lots
Starting point is 01:07:04 and lots of people, most people are going to make at best if you're lucky about two or three days a week to work out. If you're lucky, most people are closer to two days a week, three days a week if they're really dedicated. And so working within that, you want something that speeds up the metabolism so that they can eat more food because there's a lot of food all around. You want something that's extremely individualized. And there's nothing that's more individualized than resistance training. You can lift weights or use resistance regardless of how tall or short you are or any of your
Starting point is 01:07:35 disabilities or movement patterns. It can be applied to your body as an individual. Well, there'd be a ton of tremendous benefit if we're like being so specific, where it's like one physical activity or one movement or one thing that we haven't do. Like, man, I would pick something like a Turkish get up, a barbell back squat, and like, your goal is to perfect that. And everything you do is to get better at that.
Starting point is 01:08:03 So you're either doing that exact movement or you're working on stretches and mobility work to get you better at doing that movement. And that single thing alone would be different components to that, which I would totally agree. Like something like that, you learn your body on a different level by expressing all different types of movements and the lower extremities, the upper extremities, how to stabilize, how to move, how to not rotate, how to rotate. So yeah, something like that where it's more of an educational body awareness type of an exercise if you can only do one and you could keep loading it more. But I mean, because I was even thinking in my head, I'm like, man, what, just one exercise?
Starting point is 01:08:47 I mean, like, I was even thinking it's like climbing, you know, something where I'm getting the whole body involved and there's a lot more variables to what I'm doing and challenging the body on multiple levels. Yeah, as far as, you know, I'll stick more to the physical activity versus just an exercise.
Starting point is 01:09:02 And I'll just say, I mean, resistance training, it's gotta be the absolute best thing you do. Now here's the thing about walking that I like. Walking can be incorporated into every day, not just two or three days a week, because you don't have to necessarily schedule an hour long walk. You can do 10, 15 minute walk every couple hours,
Starting point is 01:09:22 you know, if when you're at work. The most success I ever had with clients was long term was getting them to lift weights two to three days a week and to just incorporate daily walking into their lives. It's a really simple yet difficult question to answer because so much of this also depends on who I'm speaking to. Yeah, I understand.
Starting point is 01:09:43 Because another point that's coming to mind right now, as we're all throwing out random shit right now, is the thing that my client is going to do consistently is supersedes everything else too. So, for example, if they hate something for sure. Right, like let's say I have a client that loves swimming and swimming is phenomenal.
Starting point is 01:10:02 And they have terrible mechanics when they squat and do resistance training. They don't like being outdoors and walking, but they love the pool. And I can only get three days a week of physical activity, like fucking swim. I mean, I would want them to swim. So it really depends on who I'm talking to,
Starting point is 01:10:21 how I would answer this question, but I'm thinking about all those variables that would make a difference, how I would answer this question, but I'm thinking about all those variables that would make a difference in how I would direct this person. I think Sal brings up a great point that nothing is going to be better than a customized resistance training program for an individual. You're gonna get the most benefit for your metabolism, for your heart, for your health, for your strength, for your protection of your bones, for your
Starting point is 01:10:48 body fat. Like, I mean, just that encompasses everything if you've designed something ideal for them. But if they're not going to stick with it, they're not going to do it. But they would swim. That's a good point, because all those things matter. Yeah, because rule number one is physical activity is better than no physical activity. And so if you tell your, you could, you could sell somebody all day long on a form of exercise and if they just don't like it, they're not going to do it. It's worthless.
Starting point is 01:11:14 It's absolutely, absolutely worthless. So something is better than nothing. But if you can sell someone and you can get them to enjoy whatever form of physical activity, then resistance training becomes the best one. This is something that I constantly am trying to make this case and part of the reason why I think people don't try resistance training is less because they don't like it and more because of the misconceptions around it. I really do.
Starting point is 01:11:42 I think when you talk to to every day, you know, Jane and Joe, and you say, they say, oh, I wanna start working out what should I, I wanna start, you know, being active, what should I do? I say, lift weights. They automatically think body builder, strength athlete.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Oh, I don't wanna build, I don't care about building a muscle. I think it's a combination of that and the difficulty of the learning curve of it. If you've never squat, if you've never squatted or deadlifted or overhead pressed before, I've done a movement like that, it probably seems really intimidating.
Starting point is 01:12:13 Most humans at one point in their life ran, walk, or swam, growing up as a child. And so they're familiar with that. Doing something that is completely new and foreign to them can probably seem very intimidating. And then you tack on your point that you're making that there's a lot of misconceptions around it. It just makes it go like, I'll fuck that. I'll just stick to something I know and it's easy.
Starting point is 01:12:36 And so people avoid it. But the reality of it is it is the best thing that somebody can do. And then just the pursuit of learning that, there's so much value in that. So, you're right, resistance training, a customized program for that person, but there are other variables that you have, if you're a trainer asking this question, that you have to, you have to take into consideration who you're talking. Totally. Now go to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free resources, guides, and free programs. If you go on there, you can find stuff on Burning Potty Fat, Building Muscle,
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